Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
Happy New Year folks - I need a sanity-check, please ... I've not used RACF on VM for a few decades and I believed that, as z/OS advanced, there came a time when it was no longer possible to share a RAC F database between a z/VM system and a z/OS system. I'm sure that this bel ief was based upon statements made by people that I trust, plus my own understanding of the disparity between RACF development on z/OS and its development on z/VM, but ... On page 4 of SC24-6149-01 it unequivocally states that (subject to a numb er of caveats such as needing to reside on full-pack minidisks) the database CAN be shared. Hmm - can anyone who's actually current on RACF (rather than simply a book-learner such as myself) please help me out with an indication of today's thinking as far as the sharing of a RACF database is concerned. (This is specifically sharing with z/OS.) (I see possible responses ranging from, Don't even THINK about it! through, It's possible but only a masochist would do it and, It can be done but there are restrictions up to, It's a breeze - just follow the rules.) In the hope that I'm not stirring up a hornet's-nest and with thanks in anticipation. Jeff Gribbin
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
George: Not sure we understand the question, but... Without DIRMAINT, try DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT - Generate two files, one with only the Gaps and other with the allocated cylinders, both classified by VOLSER. With DIRMAINT, try DIRM FREE and DIRM USED to get files like the same proposal... Or, DIRM DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT DIRM HELP DIRMAP shows: Devsort requests that the report is to be sorted by device type followed by volume label. The default is to sort by volume label. Gapfile Generate a file listing gaps in addition to a report detailing the current DASD utilization. Note: If you use the GAPFILE option without using the EXCLUDE option and excluded full volume overlays are defined on your system no gap data will be returned. Use the EXCLUDE option to eliminate the excluded full volume overlays from consideration when building the gap data. The gapfile is listed in the following format: Field Use 1volid of disk 2device type of disk. 3start cylinder/block of gap 4end cylinder/block of gap 5number of cylinders/blocks in gap Note: All fields are blank delimited and not bound to a specific column range. __ Clovis From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 19:33 Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Or better yet... _why_? It sounds as if you want to display users and mdisks, sorted by user (and perhaps mdisk, too) which reside between gaps. But _why_? What are you attempting to do? Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/04/2011 03:26 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER I don't understand your question.. If there is a GAP then there is no USER. ??? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Does anybody have anything like a PIPE command or a utility to do this sort of thing, sort the DIRECTORY DISKMAP on USER within GAPS? I am sure DIRMAINT would obviate the necessity for such a thing, but right now this is all I can do. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
Jeff, We used to do this until recently, it worked well and we would be still if someone had not done a silly that would have caused too much effort to resolve. When you are running stable versions of RACF on both Z/OS and Z/VM then there is no issue. The thing that you have to be aware of is that the database has to be updated to the level of the highest level of RACF using the database. Up until recent years it was always Z/OS that was ahead so they always applied the RACF version updates but, with Z/VM 5.4, this was ahead of the RACF server on Z/OS so we had to do the database update. What happened to us is that the Z/OS folks came to upgrade to 1.7 and applied their RACF database updates (because they always had and they didn't need to coordinate). This, in fact, downgraded the RACF database and caused some pointer corruption. Their reaction was, of course, that we had corrupted their database and that we should get off it and sort out the corruption that we had caused. That is the only gotcha I know about. Colin Allinson VM Systems Support Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
PIPE locate question
Hello List, As I learned in this list, I'm trying to use PIPE in some cases instead REXX. Now, We need see from time to time, if some machines are running in disconnect mode. Then write this sample PIPE, that put in a file, all machines that is run in disconnect mode, and then try locate that We need. trace r PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console say rc exit The problem, is that the RC (Return Code) always return 0, if the string exist or not. For example : My file : MACH DISC === CONNECT - DSC CPUVM- DSC DEFCICS - DSC DISKACNT - DSC FTPSERVE - DSC GCS - DSC LPSERVE - DSC OPERATOR - DSC OPERSYMP - DSC OP1 - DSC OP2 - DSC PERFSVM - DSC Running the EXEC : With NOT FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach di sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit With FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach dis a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach d sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console CPUVM- DSC 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit Looking in the Manual CMS PIPELINES REFERENCE, Can't see how get the Return Code. Please, someone can help us with this question? Thanks very much Sergio Lima Costa Sao Paulo - Brazil
Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
Jeff, The last time I read about, all RACF documents says that it is possible. But, only when the zOS doesn't work in Sysplex. This restriction killed my chances to do tests... __ Clovis From: Jeff Gribbin jeff.grib...@gmail.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 05/01/2011 10:12 Subject: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS? Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Happy New Year folks - I need a sanity-check, please ... I've not used RACF on VM for a few decades and I believed that, as z/OS advanced, there came a time when it was no longer possible to share a RAC F database between a z/VM system and a z/OS system. I'm sure that this bel ief was based upon statements made by people that I trust, plus my own understanding of the disparity between RACF development on z/OS and its development on z/VM, but ... On page 4 of SC24-6149-01 it unequivocally states that (subject to a numb er of caveats such as needing to reside on full-pack minidisks) the database CAN be shared. Hmm - can anyone who's actually current on RACF (rather than simply a book-learner such as myself) please help me out with an indication of today's thinking as far as the sharing of a RACF database is concerned. (This is specifically sharing with z/OS.) (I see possible responses ranging from, Don't even THINK about it! through, It's possible but only a masochist would do it and, It can be done but there are restrictions up to, It's a breeze - just follow the rules.) In the hope that I'm not stirring up a hornet's-nest and with thanks in anticipation. Jeff Gribbin
Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote :- Jeff, The last time I read about, all RACF documents says that it is possible. But, only when the zOS doesn't work in Sysplex. This restriction killed my chances to do tests... Clovis We were successfully sharing with a Z/OS sysplex so this is not an absolute restriction. However, like other volumes that we still share with them, (CA1 catalog etc.), I think they have to set some definition so that physical reserve/release is recognised for that volume. I cannot ask them because we no longer have any Z/OS sysprogs on site. Colin Allinson VM Systems Support Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
Re: PIPE locate question
What about this: PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ , | sort 1-8 | mach disc a, || locate /x/ | console | count lines |Var NbFound If NbFound=0 then do say 'Nothing found for x' ; exit 67; end Remark that I made one big pipe of the 3 ones you used. There is no need to work with intermediate files. And, maybe you don't need the file at all, if so, you can remove | mach disc a too. By the way, my LISTS package on the VM download library has a USERLIST EXEC: USERLIST lists all users USERLIST *xxx*lists all users with xxx in their name It givs a FILELIST like interface. Kris Buelens 2011/1/5, Sergio Lima sergiovm...@hotmail.com: Hello List, As I learned in this list, I'm trying to use PIPE in some cases instead REXX. Now, We need see from time to time, if some machines are running in disconnect mode. Then write this sample PIPE, that put in a file, all machines that is run in disconnect mode, and then try locate that We need. trace r PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console say rc exit The problem, is that the RC (Return Code) always return 0, if the string exist or not. For example : My file : MACH DISC === CONNECT - DSC CPUVM- DSC DEFCICS - DSC DISKACNT - DSC FTPSERVE - DSC GCS - DSC LPSERVE - DSC OPERATOR - DSC OPERSYMP - DSC OP1 - DSC OP2 - DSC PERFSVM - DSC Running the EXEC : With NOT FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach di sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit With FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach dis a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach d sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console CPUVM- DSC 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit Looking in the Manual CMS PIPELINES REFERENCE, Can't see how get the Return Code. Please, someone can help us with this question? Thanks very much Sergio Lima Costa Sao Paulo - Brazil -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: PIPE locate question
Maybe this example will help (QN EXEC): /* QUERY NAMES replacement */ Trace O Address COMMAND PIPE (endchar ?), | CP QUERY NAMES, | ZONE 9.1 NFIND -||, | SPLIT ,, | STRIP, |o:FANOUT, | SORT, | SPEC 1.15 1.16, | SNAKE 5, |i:FANIN, | CONSOLE, ?o:, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / Total number of users = / 1 1-* NW, |j:FANIN, | JOIN *, |i:, ?o:, | SPEC FS - F2 STRIP 1, |p:FIND DSC||, | COUNT LINES, | SPEC / disconnected = / 1 1-* NW, | j: Exit rc Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Sergio Lima Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 6:45 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: PIPE locate question Hello List, As I learned in this list, I'm trying to use PIPE in some cases instead REXX. Now, We need see from time to time, if some machines are running in disconnect mode. Then write this sample PIPE, that put in a file, all machines that is run in disconnect mode, and then try locate that We need. trace r PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console say rc exit The problem, is that the RC (Return Code) always return 0, if the string exist or not. For example : My file : MACH DISC === CONNECT - DSC CPUVM- DSC DEFCICS - DSC DISKACNT - DSC FTPSERVE - DSC GCS - DSC LPSERVE - DSC OPERATOR - DSC OPERSYMP - DSC OP1 - DSC OP2 - DSC PERFSVM - DSC Running the EXEC : With NOT FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach di sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit With FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach dis a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach d sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console CPUVM- DSC 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit Looking in the Manual CMS PIPELINES REFERENCE, Can't see how get the Return Code. Please, someone can help us with this question? Thanks very much Sergio Lima Costa Sao Paulo - Brazil _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: PIPE locate question
Hello Kris, Thanks very much, run very well, look please : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ , | SORT 1- 8 | MACH DISC A, | LOCATE /X/ | CONSOLE | COUNT LINES |VAR NBFOUND PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | SORT 1- 8 | MACH DISC A | LOCATE /X/ | CONSOLE | COUNT LINES |VAR NBFOUND 6 *-* IF NBFOUND=0 1 *-* THEN *-* DO 7 *-* SAY 'NOTHING FOUND FOR X' NOTHING FOUND FOR X NOTHING FOUND FOR X *-* EXIT 67 67 So one more thing , if not slow you down, Do you have idea, how can I execute this same command to 8 cms machines ? Better use a variable under LOCATE COMMAND , and do a loop 8 times ? , or not ? Thanks again Kris, about the PIPE COURSE, I already have download here in my machine, and, always that have time, i try learn more. This course is very good. Best Regards, Sergio Date: Wed, 5 Jan 2011 14:12:33 +0100 From: kris.buel...@gmail.com Subject: Re: PIPE locate question To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU What about this: PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ , | sort 1-8 | mach disc a, || locate /x/ | console | count lines |Var NbFound If NbFound=0 then do say 'Nothing found for x' ; exit 67; end Remark that I made one big pipe of the 3 ones you used. There is no need to work with intermediate files. And, maybe you don't need the file at all, if so, you can remove | mach disc a too. By the way, my LISTS package on the VM download library has a USERLIST EXEC: USERLIST lists all users USERLIST *xxx* lists all users with xxx in their name It givs a FILELIST like interface. Kris Buelens 2011/1/5, Sergio Lima sergiovm...@hotmail.com: Hello List, As I learned in this list, I'm trying to use PIPE in some cases instead REXX. Now, We need see from time to time, if some machines are running in disconnect mode. Then write this sample PIPE, that put in a file, all machines that is run in disconnect mode, and then try locate that We need. trace r PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console say rc exit The problem, is that the RC (Return Code) always return 0, if the string exist or not. For example : My file : MACH DISC === CONNECT - DSC CPUVM - DSC DEFCICS - DSC DISKACNT - DSC FTPSERVE - DSC GCS - DSC LPSERVE - DSC OPERATOR - DSC OPERSYMP - DSC OP1 - DSC OP2 - DSC PERFSVM - DSC Running the EXEC : With NOT FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach disc a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach di sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /x/ | console 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit With FOUND : 3 *-* PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach dis a PIPE CP QUERY NAMES | SPLIT , | STRIP | LOCATE /- DSC/ | mach d sc a 4 *-* pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a pipe mach disc a | sort 1-8 | mach disc a 5 *-* pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console pipe mach disc a | locate /CPUVM/ | console CPUVM - DSC 6 *-* say rc 0 0 7 *-* exit Looking in the Manual CMS PIPELINES REFERENCE, Can't see how get the Return Code. Please, someone can help us with this question? Thanks very much Sergio Lima Costa Sao Paulo - Brazil -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: How Submit a JOB from Z/VM to Z/OS using RSCS ?
George, Is it a modified SUBVSE EXEC, supplied with VSE? If yes, see the newer version (manual z/VSE Installation Version 4 Release 2): The VM/VSE Interface is a set of VSE phases and CMS modules supplied by z/VSE. These phases and modules provide functions for interfacing to one or more z/VSE guest systems from CMS. The VM/VSE Interface routines are distributed in IJSYSRS.SYSLIB. You must obtain the routines from the library and install them on a CMS minidisk. __ Clovis From: Shedlock, George gshedl...@aegonusa.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 11:57 Subject: Re: How Submit a JOB from Z/VM to Z/OS using RSCS ? Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Speaking of submitting jobs, does anyone remember of have a copy of the old “SUB EXEC” that was floating around the network some years back? In addition to doing the requisite SPOOL/TAG/PUNCH commands, it also provided for parameter substitution, includes and nested includes. I seem to have misplaced my copy during one of my moves. George Shedlock Jr AEGON Information Technology AEGON USA 502-560-3541
Re: How Submit a JOB from Z/VM to Z/OS using RSCS ?
Thank you Kris and Clovis, I went rummaging through some old archives (boxes in storage) and found an old copy of the EXEC I was referring to. Some of the features of the EXEC: Full parameter substitution based on keyword Keywords can come from “global variable”, “userid() variable” or command line Unlimited nested includes (with full parameter substitution) Runs from command line or within Xedit If run from within Xedit, will save the current session to a temp file and process that I don’t know the original source for the EXEC as there are no comments to that effect in the code. Thanks to all. George Shedlock Jr AEGON Information Technology AEGON USA 502-560-3541 From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 8:37 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: How Submit a JOB from Z/VM to Z/OS using RSCS ? George, Is it a modified SUBVSE EXEC, supplied with VSE? If yes, see the newer version (manual z/VSE Installation Version 4 Release 2): The VM/VSE Interface is a set of VSE phases and CMS modules supplied by z/VSE. These phases and modules provide functions for interfacing to one or more z/VSE guest systems from CMS. The VM/VSE Interface routines are distributed in IJSYSRS.SYSLIB. You must obtain the routines from the library and install them on a CMS minidisk. __ Clovis From: Shedlock, George gshedl...@aegonusa.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 11:57 Subject: Re: How Submit a JOB from Z/VM to Z/OS using RSCS ? Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Speaking of submitting jobs, does anyone remember of have a copy of the old “SUB EXEC” that was floating around the network some years back? In addition to doing the requisite SPOOL/TAG/PUNCH commands, it also provided for parameter substitution, includes and nested includes. I seem to have misplaced my copy during one of my moves. George Shedlock Jr AEGON Information Technology AEGON USA 502-560-3541
Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 07:12 EST, Jeff Gribbin jeff.grib...@gmail.com wrote: I've not used RACF on VM for a few decades and I believed that, as z/OS advanced, there came a time when it was no longer possible to share a RACF database between a z/VM system and a z/OS system. I'm sure that this belief was based upon statements made by people that I trust, plus my own understanding of the disparity between RACF development on z/OS and its development on z/VM, but ... I am the one who has suggested publicly that just because you *can* share, it does not follow that you *should* share. As the documentation says, you CAN share the database with z/OS. However, the database MUST be protected by Reserve/Release. That means that in a SYSPLEX, GRS on z/OS must be configured to allow ENQs issued for the RACF databases to use Reserve. And, for most, that rules out a sysplex, which is taking explicit advantage of GRS rings/stars. As you suggest, RACF/MVS and RACF/VM are different products with different development streams targeted to different audiences, all managed by different organizations. While the two groups are reasonably coupled from a Design point of view (we don't want to step on each others' toes), they march to the beat of different drummers. A few short years ago the VM side accidentally shifted some bytes in a database control field mapping macro, causing classes on z/OS and older versions of RACF/VM to be mysteriously turned off. We found the bug fairly quickly and resolved the issue, but the APAR wasn't pretty, requiring a utility to repair the database. From an admin point of view, some of the commands work differently on z/VM than on z/OS. Example: On z/VM you can define a user with no password and no password phrase, or just a password phrase. You can't do that on z/OS (the same way). From a security point of view, I don't like db sharing outside of a cluster. The local SMF logs do not (cannot) record changes made by other systems, even though they affect the local system. Further, you are giving the alien system access to, and control of, secrets it does not need to posses. If the alien system is hacked, the db is exposed. Likewise, if VM is hacked, the z/OS system is vulnerable. (No need to crack a password, just change it.) And because of the logging, you will never know it happened. I'd like to see z/OS and z/VM customers (e.g. via zBLC and Requirements) put pressure both RACFs to bring RRSF to VM or to enhance the LDAP interface so that LDAP replication and/or IBM Tivoli Directory Integrator can be used to propagate profiles and database settings (SETROPTS) among an arbitrary set of RACF instances. A single point of management for RACF (VM+MVS) is a desirable thing - I get it. But sharing the database is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: PIPE locate question
On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 07:45 EST, Sergio Lima sergiovm...@hotmail.com wrote: As I learned in this list, I'm trying to use PIPE in some cases instead REXX. : Looking in the Manual CMS PIPELINES REFERENCE, Can't see how get the Return Code. While you are getting good answers from Kris and others, let me explain that there was no error in your pipe, so there is no non-zero RC. The locate stage will send to its primary output stream all records that contain the string. If no records contain the string, no records are sent to the primary output stream. This is why Kris suggested counting the number of records in the primary output stream. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
We do not share a RACF database, but use a copy of the zOS RACF database for our z/VM system. We make all changes thru the zOS system, and copy/replace the z/VM RACF database quarterly or as needed. VM security does not change significantly and the Auditors are happy with this. = Jim Olson Dominion Resource Services, Inc Senior Software Engineer OSS - Operating System Support Phone: (804) 771-3456, Tie Line: 8-736-3456 Email: james.ol...@dom.com -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Alan Altmark Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:14 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS? On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 07:12 EST, Jeff Gribbin jeff.grib...@gmail.com wrote: I've not used RACF on VM for a few decades and I believed that, as z/OS advanced, there came a time when it was no longer possible to share a RACF database between a z/VM system and a z/OS system. I'm sure that this belief was based upon statements made by people that I trust, plus my own understanding of the disparity between RACF development on z/OS and its development on z/VM, but ... I am the one who has suggested publicly that just because you *can* share, it does not follow that you *should* share. As the documentation says, you CAN share the database with z/OS. However, the database MUST be protected by Reserve/Release. That means that in a SYSPLEX, GRS on z/OS must be configured to allow ENQs issued for the RACF databases to use Reserve. And, for most, that rules out a sysplex, which is taking explicit advantage of GRS rings/stars. As you suggest, RACF/MVS and RACF/VM are different products with different development streams targeted to different audiences, all managed by different organizations. While the two groups are reasonably coupled from a Design point of view (we don't want to step on each others' toes), they march to the beat of different drummers. A few short years ago the VM side accidentally shifted some bytes in a database control field mapping macro, causing classes on z/OS and older versions of RACF/VM to be mysteriously turned off. We found the bug fairly quickly and resolved the issue, but the APAR wasn't pretty, requiring a utility to repair the database. From an admin point of view, some of the commands work differently on z/VM than on z/OS. Example: On z/VM you can define a user with no password and no password phrase, or just a password phrase. You can't do that on z/OS (the same way). From a security point of view, I don't like db sharing outside of a cluster. The local SMF logs do not (cannot) record changes made by other systems, even though they affect the local system. Further, you are giving the alien system access to, and control of, secrets it does not need to posses. If the alien system is hacked, the db is exposed. Likewise, if VM is hacked, the z/OS system is vulnerable. (No need to crack a password, just change it.) And because of the logging, you will never know it happened. I'd like to see z/OS and z/VM customers (e.g. via zBLC and Requirements) put pressure both RACFs to bring RRSF to VM or to enhance the LDAP interface so that LDAP replication and/or IBM Tivoli Directory Integrator can be used to propagate profiles and database settings (SETROPTS) among an arbitrary set of RACF instances. A single point of management for RACF (VM+MVS) is a desirable thing - I get it. But sharing the database is a case of the tail wagging the dog. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This electronic message contains information which may be legally confidential and/or privileged and does not in any case represent a firm ENERGY COMMODITY bid or offer relating thereto which binds the sender without an additional express written confirmation to that effect. The information is intended solely for the individual or entity named above and access by anyone else is unauthorized. If you are not the intended recipient, any disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this information is prohibited and may be unlawful. If you have received this electronic transmission in error, please reply immediately to the sender that you have received the message in error, and delete it. Thank you.
Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com wrote:- I am the one who has suggested publicly that just because you *can* share, it does not follow that you *should* share. I fully understand and respect Alan's views on the Con's of sharing RACF databases - but there are some Pro's as well. One of the biggest issues we faced when the RACF databases were split and we stopped sharing was that of user currency and cleanup. Users have a defined userid in the organisation (the same on Z/OS and Z/VM). It is a, (quite sensible), auditing requirement that, after a period of inactivity, we revoke userids and then, after a further inactive period, we delete them. We have users that never log on to TSO but who do submit jobs from VM. If they don't submit jobs to z/OS for a while then their z/OS account no longer has any idea that they are still active users and they get deleted. Colin Allinson VM Systems Support Amadeus Data Processing GmbH
Re: Simple RACF Question - Can the RACF database be shared with z/OS?
Thankyou Alan - that succinctly lifts my understanding to the level of, It's physically possible but really, really inadvisable because ... followed by exactly the concerns that I would have felt compelled to raise here had the consensus been that it really was as easy as the manual appears to suggest. I instinctively feel that the, 'right' way to do shared security is via a single logical server that is consulted and which pronounces on all access requests that arise within its domain of influence - in other words, within z/VM, an ESM that acts as a channel between CP and the True Lord of Security, simply passing requests in one direction and decisions in the other direction. Shared datasets were good in their day, but that day has now passed. Many thanks to all for the excellent responses - I am now content that, when asked, I can honestly deliver an accurate picture of RACF's capabilities and limitations in this area. Cheers folks. Jeff :-)
DISKACNT profile exec
A recent thread here got me motivated to look at our accounting records, but I soon remembered that about 5 years ago I accidentally deleted the EXEC from that userid. The IBM softcopy docs mention a file on MAINT 191 mdisk called DVM PROFILE, but it doesn't seem to exist. Not having this information wasn't a concern and when I did have it available, just deleted them because we didn't have time or need to process them. Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL TIA, Bubba
Re: How can get the Week day ?
Hello Everyone,
Just a note on DATE('B') from the Help screens.
For BASE there is a note
NOTE: The base date of 1 January 0001 is determined by extending
the current Gregorian calendar backward (365 days each
year, with an extra day every year that is divisible by 4
except century years that are not divisible by 400). It
does not take into account any errors in the calendar
system that created the Gregorian calendar originally.
Ed Martin
Aultman Health Foundation
330-363-5050
ext 35050
-Original Message-
From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On
Behalf Of Chip Davis
Sent: Tuesday, January 04, 2011 7:28 PM
To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU
Subject: Re: How can get the Week day ?
Well, not quite, unless you're using a VERY non-ANSI-Standard version
of Rexx. :-)
Say Date('U',0,'B') -- 01/01/01
But you're right about the C for Century; it was always better to
think of it as the Roman numeral for 100. It still suffered from the
same boundary issues as the old Julian date, just not as frequently.
The fact is, Date('C') is not even legal at Rexx Language Level 4.00
(much less ANSI Standard) which has been around for quite a while now.
So the best option is to simply forget about the Date('C') option in
the first place and use Date('B') instead. If you have existing code
that you need to convert, you can establish the Date('C') epoch as a
constant (now 730119) offset to the Date('B') value.
-Chip-
On 1/4/11 22:25 Schuh, Richard said:
It is right with the DATE(B) function - 01/01/1001.
All the technicalities aside, forget about the word Century and view
the letter C as an abstraction for the described function. Then,
everything is consistent, even if technically incorrect.
*From:* *George Henke/NYLIC*
tyvm, Chip, for the explanation. So this century really began in
Jan 1, 2001, not 2000. Interesting.
*From:* *Chip Davis c...@aresti.com*
Technically, the first year of each century is cc01, not cc00.
On 1/3/11 16:03 George Henke/NYLIC said:
Not quite sure what is the difference between the number of
days
since
the beginning of the century and the number of days since the
most
recent year ending in '00' unless going back or ahead more than
a
century or 2.
But I suppose there is a difference or it would have been moot.
*Chip Davis c...@aresti.com*
Be careful with Date('C'). It doesn't really give you the
number of
days in the current century (as it was originally documented).
It
returns the number of days since the beginning of the most
recent
year
ending in '00', e.g. '2000'.
On 1/3/11 14:25 George Henke/NYLIC said:
REXX also has a nifty function called Century Day that
simplifies things
by working in century days, days since the beginning of the
century,
rather than days since the beginning of the year.
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
sent copy to Robert directly Scott Rohling On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org wrote: A recent thread here got me motivated to look at our accounting records, but I soon remembered that about 5 years ago I accidentally deleted the EXEC from that userid. The IBM softcopy docs mention a file on MAINT 191 mdisk called DVM PROFILE, but it doesn't seem to exist. Not having this information wasn't a concern and when I did have it available, just deleted them because we didn't have time or need to process them. Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL TIA, Bubba
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
Got it, THANKS !!! -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]on Behalf Of Scott Rohling Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:41 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DISKACNT profile exec sent copy to Robert directly Scott Rohling On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org wrote: A recent thread here got me motivated to look at our accounting records, but I soon remembered that about 5 years ago I accidentally deleted the EXEC from that userid. The IBM softcopy docs mention a file on MAINT 191 mdisk called DVM PROFILE, but it doesn't seem to exist. Not having this information wasn't a concern and when I did have it available, just deleted them because we didn't have time or need to process them. Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL TIA, Bubba
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
Kris Buelens sent me a nice accounting exec several years ago, you might ask him if he would share again. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org wrote: Got it, THANKS !!! -Original Message- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]*on Behalf Of *Scott Rohling *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:41 AM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: DISKACNT profile exec sent copy to Robert directly Scott Rohling On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org wrote: A recent thread here got me motivated to look at our accounting records, but I soon remembered that about 5 years ago I accidentally deleted the EXEC from that userid. The IBM softcopy docs mention a file on MAINT 191 mdisk called DVM PROFILE, but it doesn't seem to exist. Not having this information wasn't a concern and when I did have it available, just deleted them because we didn't have time or need to process them. Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL TIA, Bubba
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
I just cranked it up and so far, all is well ! q cplevel z/VM Version 5 Release 2.0, service level 0601 (64-bit) Generated at 02/13/2006 11:45:25 TEX IPL at 11/05/2010 17:46:32 TEX Ready; T=0.01/0.01 09:53:49 q rec RECORDINGCOUNT LMT USERID COMMUNICATION EREP ON 002 EREP ACTIVE ACCOUNT ON 020 DISKACNT ACTIVE SYMPTOM ON 002 OPERSYMP ACTIVE Ready; T=0.01/0.01 09:53:52
Re: How can get the Week day ?
That's correct Ed, and WAD. Date('B') is intended for doing reliable
date arithmetic, not archeology. :-)
A consistent algorithm is more important to modern programmers than
hewing precisely to historical usage (were that even possible, given
the multiplicity of calendar schemes used in antiquity). Those who
assert that Jesus was born on a Monday have a few other errors to
explain first. Usually they are the ones who also delight in the UNIX
'cal 9 1752' special case.
-Chip-
On 1/5/11 15:31 Edward M Martin said:
For BASE there is a note
NOTE: The base date of 1 January 0001 is determined by extending
the current Gregorian calendar backward (365 days each
year, with an extra day every year that is divisible by 4
except century years that are not divisible by 400). It
does not take into account any errors in the calendar
system that created the Gregorian calendar originally.
-Original Message-
From: Chip Davis
So the best option is to simply forget about the Date('C') option in
the first place and use Date('B') instead. If you have existing code
that you need to convert, you can establish the Date('C') epoch as a
constant (now 730119) offset to the Date('B') value.
On 1/4/11 22:25 Schuh, Richard said:
It is right with the DATE(B) function - 01/01/1001.
All the technicalities aside, forget about the word Century and view
the letter C as an abstraction for the described function. Then,
everything is consistent, even if technically incorrect.
*From:* *George Henke/NYLIC*
tyvm, Chip, for the explanation. So this century really began in
Jan 1, 2001, not 2000. Interesting.
*From:* *Chip Davis c...@aresti.com*
Technically, the first year of each century is cc01, not cc00.
On 1/3/11 16:03 George Henke/NYLIC said:
Not quite sure what is the difference between the number of
days
since
the beginning of the century and the number of days since the
most
recent year ending in '00' unless going back or ahead more than
a
century or 2.
But I suppose there is a difference or it would have been moot.
*Chip Davis c...@aresti.com*
Be careful with Date('C'). It doesn't really give you the
number of
days in the current century (as it was originally documented).
It
returns the number of days since the beginning of the most
recent
year
ending in '00', e.g. '2000'.
On 1/3/11 14:25 George Henke/NYLIC said:
REXX also has a nifty function called Century Day that
simplifies things
by working in century days, days since the beginning of the
century,
rather than days since the beginning of the year.
REXX code for UR
Does someone have (before I try to reinvent the wheel) have code that will do the following PUSHUR RDR | PUN | PRT | ccuu Remembers the virtual UR settings POPUR RDR | PUN | PRT | ccuu Recalls the virtual UR settings Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr. Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas 76701 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
Robert, I saw that it already was answered. But, only to register: The original DISKACNT's PROFILE EXEC is the same as EREP's and OPERSYMP's profiles. You can copy it from the other machine... __ Clovis From: Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org To: IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu Date: 05/01/2011 13:30 Subject: DISKACNT profile exec Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu A recent thread here got me motivated to look at our accounting records, but I soon remembered that about 5 years ago I accidentally deleted the EXEC from that userid. The IBM softcopy docs mention a file on MAINT 191 mdisk called DVM PROFILE, but it doesn't seem to exist. Not having this information wasn't a concern and when I did have it available, just deleted them because we didn't have time or need to process them. Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL TIA, Bubba
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
We have a very customized one for EREP, but thanks ! That is good to know. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]on Behalf Of gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:20 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: DISKACNT profile exec Robert, I saw that it already was answered. But, only to register: The original DISKACNT's PROFILE EXEC is the same as EREP's and OPERSYMP's profiles. You can copy it from the other machine... __ Clovis From: Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org To: IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu Date: 05/01/2011 13:30 Subject:DISKACNT profile exec Sent by:The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@listserv.uark.edu _ A recent thread here got me motivated to look at our accounting records, but I soon remembered that about 5 years ago I accidentally deleted the EXEC from that userid. The IBM softcopy docs mention a file on MAINT 191 mdisk called DVM PROFILE, but it doesn't seem to exist. Not having this information wasn't a concern and when I did have it available, just deleted them because we didn't have time or need to process them. Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL TIA, Bubba
Re: REXX code for UR
Following is example of what I have used in the past. 'CP DEFINE 00E 0EE' 'CP DEFINE PRT 00E' . . . 'CP DETACH 00E' 'CP DEFINE 0EE 00E' It is so simple, that never felt it required being a callable routine. Basically 00E is saved as 0EE, and redefine back to 00E later. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL: REXX code for UR Does someone have (before I try to reinvent the wheel) have code that will do the following PUSHUR RDR | PUN | PRT | ccuu Remembers the virtual UR settings POPUR RDR | PUN | PRT | ccuu Recalls the virtual UR settings Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. [cid:image001.gif@01CBACC8.46E96A50] Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr. Fax: (254)741-5777 Waco, Texas 76701 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: REXX code for UR
Hmmm...that's a thought, I'll consider this approach. Thanks, Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Hodge, Robert L Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 11:37 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: REXX code for UR Following is example of what I have used in the past. 'CP DEFINE 00E 0EE' 'CP DEFINE PRT 00E' . nb sp; . . 'CP DETACH 00E' 'CP DEFINE 0EE 00E' It is so simple, that never felt it required being a callable routine. Basically 00E is saved as 0EE, and redefine back to 00E later. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 10:04 AM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: EXTERNAL: REXX code for UR Does someone have (before I try to reinvent the wheel) have code that will do the following PUSHUR RDR | PUN | PRT | ccuu Remembers the virtual UR settings POPUR RDR | PUN | PRT | ccuu Recalls the virtual UR settings Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. Systems Programmer MCP, MCP+I, MCSE RHCE American Income Life Insurance Co. Phone: (254)761-6649 1200 Wooded Acres Dr. Fax: (254)741-5777 /o:p Waco, Texas 76701 _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
I still send that over to people requesting it... 2011/1/5 Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com Kris Buelens sent me a nice accounting exec several years ago, you might ask him if he would share again. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 7:42 AM, Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org wrote: Got it, THANKS !!! -Original Message- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu]*on Behalf Of *Scott Rohling *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 9:41 AM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: DISKACNT profile exec sent copy to Robert directly Scott Rohling On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 8:30 AM, Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org wrote: A recent thread here got me motivated to look at our accounting records, but I soon remembered that about 5 years ago I accidentally deleted the EXEC from that userid. The IBM softcopy docs mention a file on MAINT 191 mdisk called DVM PROFILE, but it doesn't seem to exist. Not having this information wasn't a concern and when I did have it available, just deleted them because we didn't have time or need to process them. Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL TIA, Bubba -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Dynamically adding 3390's
We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible.
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
Assuming that z/OS controls the IOCP throught HCD share the CHPID and the Devices with the VM partition. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Hughes, Jim jim.hug...@doit.nh.gov wrote: We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
Two separate systems sharing a DS 8100. The z10 and z890 don't share an HCD. I cannot vary something online to the z890 that doesn't exist. Am I making sense or missing the point you are trying to make? James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:45 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamically adding 3390's Assuming that z/OS controls the IOCP throught HCD share the CHPID and the Devices with the VM partition. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Hughes, Jim jim.hug...@doit.nh.gov wrote: We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
No I'm sorry, I read but didn't comprehend that there were 2 separate Z systems. You can dynamically add everything from z/VM, however I've used HCD on z/OS so long now that I'm afraid I can't help with the proper CP commands to add the devices in z/VM. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:48 PM, Hughes, Jim jim.hug...@doit.nh.gov wrote: Two separate systems sharing a DS 8100. The z10 and z890 don’t share an HCD. I cannot vary something online to the z890 that doesn’t exist. Am I making sense or missing the point you are trying to make? James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. -- *From:* The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] *On Behalf Of *Mark Pace *Sent:* Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:45 PM *To:* IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU *Subject:* Re: Dynamically adding 3390's Assuming that z/OS controls the IOCP throught HCD share the CHPID and the Devices with the VM partition. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Hughes, Jim jim.hug...@doit.nh.gov wrote: We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
How did you create the IOCP for the machine that has the VM partition in question? Go there and change the definition of those channels, control units and devices to include the VM partition. Dynamically activate the changes. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Hughes, Jim Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:49 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamically adding 3390's Two separate systems sharing a DS 8100. The z10 and z890 don't share an HCD. I cannot vary something online to the z890 that doesn't exist. Am I making sense or missing the point you are trying to make? James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Mark Pace Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:45 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamically adding 3390's Assuming that z/OS controls the IOCP throught HCD share the CHPID and the Devices with the VM partition. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 2:42 PM, Hughes, Jim jim.hug...@doit.nh.gov wrote: We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. -- Mark D Pace Senior Systems Engineer Mainline Information Systems
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
See DEFINE CHPID|PATH|CU|DEVICE statements. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Hughes, Jim Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Dynamically adding 3390's We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
I would think that if this DS8100 was already being used by this box, then the CHPID and PATHs are already defined. If this is a new controller for you, then you need to do the DEFINE for the controller using the existing paths. In all cases, you would have to do the DEFINE device(s) for the new volumes. Then, you can vary on the devices and be off and running. When done, be sure to update your IOCP and put it in the next slot. Otherwise a Power On Reset, will loose any dynamically defined IOCP stuff. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com 1/5/2011 1:57 PM See DEFINE CHPID|PATH|CU|DEVICE statements. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Hughes, Jim Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Dynamically adding 3390's We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
Here some code. I used it to define extra disks defined on a DS6000. Remark that I first deleted a control unit. Maybe not required in your case. '/* Some new disks in DS6000 */ address command 'CP SET CONFIGMODE ON' 'CP VARY OFF SUBCH 7700-775F' 'CP VARY OFF SUBCH 7800-785F' 'CP DELETE IODEVICE 7700-775F UNITADD 00 CUNUMBR 5A09' 'CP DELETE IODEVICE 7800-785F UNITADD 00 CUNUMBR 5A08' 'CP DELETE CU 5A08' 'CP DELETE CU 5A09' 'CP DEFINE CU 5A0A TYPE * UNITADD 00-5F CUADD A CHPID 57 2B' 'CP DEFINE CU 5A08 TYPE * UNITADD 00-5F CUADD 8 CHPID 57 2B' 'CP DEFINE CU 5A0C TYPE * UNITADD 00-5F CUADD C CHPID 57 2B' 'CP DEFINE CU 5A0E TYPE * UNITADD 00-5F CUADD E CHPID 57 2B' 'CP DEFINE IODEVICE 7700-773F UNITADD 00 CUNUMBR 5A0A PARTITION BCRSPROD' 'CP DEFINE IODEVICE 7800-783F UNITADD 00 CUNUMBR 5A08 PARTITION BCRSPROD' 'CP DEFINE IODEVICE 7900-793F UNITADD 00 CUNUMBR 5A0C PARTITION BCRSPROD' 'CP DEFINE IODEVICE 7A00-7A3F UNITADD 00 CUNUMBR 5A0E PARTITION BCRSPROD' 'CP SET CONFIGMODE OFF' 2011/1/5 Tom Duerbusch duerbus...@stlouiscity.com I would think that if this DS8100 was already being used by this box, then the CHPID and PATHs are already defined. If this is a new controller for you, then you need to do the DEFINE for the controller using the existing paths. In all cases, you would have to do the DEFINE device(s) for the new volumes. Then, you can vary on the devices and be off and running. When done, be sure to update your IOCP and put it in the next slot. Otherwise a Power On Reset, will loose any dynamically defined IOCP stuff. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com 1/5/2011 1:57 PM See DEFINE CHPID|PATH|CU|DEVICE statements. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Hughes, Jim Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Dynamically adding 3390's We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
This is great, George, ty. Just one problem. It does not show the GAPs after the last extent on a VOLSER. It would be nice to know the GAPS on the tailend of a VOLSER also. Must I put a dummy entry on the last cylinder to generate a GAP in DIRMAP and/or DISKMAP? Is there a workaround for this on VM Tools? gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/05/2011 07:26 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER George: Not sure we understand the question, but... Without DIRMAINT, try DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT - Generate two files, one with only the Gaps and other with the allocated cylinders, both classified by VOLSER. With DIRMAINT, try DIRM FREE and DIRM USED to get files like the same proposal... Or, DIRM DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT DIRM HELP DIRMAP shows: Devsort requests that the report is to be sorted by device type followed by volume label. The default is to sort by volume label. Gapfile Generate a file listing gaps in addition to a report detailing the current DASD utilization. Note: If you use the GAPFILE option without using the EXCLUDE option and excluded full volume overlays are defined on your system no gap data will be returned. Use the EXCLUDE option to eliminate the excluded full volume overlays from consideration when building the gap data. The gapfile is listed in the following format: Field Use 1volid of disk 2device type of disk. 3start cylinder/block of gap 4end cylinder/block of gap 5number of cylinders/blocks in gap Note: All fields are blank delimited and not bound to a specific column range. __ Clovis From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 19:33 Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Or better yet... _why_? It sounds as if you want to display users and mdisks, sorted by user (and perhaps mdisk, too) which reside between gaps. But _why_? What are you attempting to do? Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/04/2011 03:26 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER I don't understand your question.. If there is a GAP then there is no USER. ??? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Does anybody have anything like a PIPE command or a utility to do this sort of thing, sort the DIRECTORY DISKMAP on USER within GAPS? I am sure DIRMAINT would obviate the necessity for such a thing, but right now this is all I can do. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
Got it. Thanks. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Frank M. Ramaekers Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:57 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: Dynamically adding 3390's See DEFINE CHPID|PATH|CU|DEVICE statements. Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. -Original Message- From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of Hughes, Jim Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 1:42 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Dynamically adding 3390's We want to define a new controller for some new dasd volumes on our DS8100. Our Z/OS z10 system has them defined and is working with them quite nicely. Our z890 z/VM system doesn't have them in its IOCP. I've checked the z/VM system using CP Q DYN STAT and discovered it does allow dynamic io reconfiguration. So, my question is how do I get the new dasd online to z/VM? It will use existing paths to the DS8100. There are 8 devices on this new path. I've never done this sort of thing to a running system and have a certain respect for keeping it up and working. Experimenting is not an option for me. Thanks in advance for hints, tips, and an education. James R. Hughes TSG, Problem Solver NH Department of Information Technology 603-271-5586(w); 603-491-3071(c) www.nh.gov/doit Statement of Confidentiality: The contents of this message are confidential. Any unauthorized disclosure, reproduction, use or dissemination (either whole or in part) is prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, please notify the sender immediately and delete the message from your system. It is fun to do the impossible. _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited. If you have received this in error, please destroy it immediately and notify us at privacy...@ailife.com.
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
These tools (DIRMAP and MDISKMAP) have no ideas how many cylinders a device has (unless you told it by defining a full pack mini-disk). Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke/NYLIC Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER This is great, George, ty. Just one problem. It does not show the GAPs after the last extent on a VOLSER. It would be nice to know the GAPS on the tailend of a VOLSER also. Must I put a dummy entry on the last cylinder to generate a GAP in DIRMAP and/or DISKMAP? Is there a workaround for this on VM Tools? gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/05/2011 07:26 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER George: Not sure we understand the question, but... Without DIRMAINT, try DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT - Generate two files, one with only the Gaps and other with the allocated cylinders, both classified by VOLSER. With DIRMAINT, try DIRM FREE and DIRM USED to get files like the same proposal... Or, DIRM DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT DIRM HELP DIRMAP shows: Devsort requests that the report is to be sorted by device type followed by volume label. The default is to sort by volume label. Gapfile Generate a file listing gaps in addition to a report detailing the current DASD utilization. Note: If you use the GAPFILE option without using the EXCLUDE option and excluded full volume overlays are defined on your system no gap data will be returned. Use the EXCLUDE option to eliminate the excluded full volume overlays from consideration when building the gap data. The gapfile is listed in the following format: Field Use 1volid of disk 2device type of disk. 3start cylinder/block of gap 4end cylinder/block of gap 5number of cylinders/blocks in gap Note: All fields are blank delimited and not bound to a specific column range. __ Clovis From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 19:33 Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Or better yet... _why_? It sounds as if you want to display users and mdisks, sorted by user (and perhaps mdisk, too) which reside between gaps. But _why_? What are you attempting to do? Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/04/2011 03:26 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER I don't understand your question.. If there is a GAP then there is no USER. ??? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Does anybody have anything like a PIPE command or a utility to do this sort of thing, sort the DIRECTORY DISKMAP on USER within GAPS? I am sure DIRMAINT would obviate the necessity for such a thing, but right now this is all I can do. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail. _ This message contains information which is privileged and confidential and is solely for the use of the intended recipient. If you are not the intended recipient, be aware that any review, disclosure, copying, distribution, or use of the contents of this message is strictly prohibited.
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
For decades I've been using $ENDPAK$ userid to define the last cylinder of each pack. That, along with $ALLOC$ for cylinder 0, has allowed DISKMAP to show trailing gaps. I never thought about it, but I should have defined the last cylinder to be (last cylinder + 1) i.e. 3340 cylinders for a 3390-3. Currently, I get the *OVERLAP* flag when I do use the last cylinder. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com 1/5/2011 3:12 PM These tools (DIRMAP and MDISKMAP) have no ideas how many cylinders a device has (unless you told it by defining a full pack mini-disk). Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke/NYLIC Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER This is great, George, ty. Just one problem. It does not show the GAPs after the last extent on a VOLSER. It would be nice to know the GAPS on the tailend of a VOLSER also. Must I put a dummy entry on the last cylinder to generate a GAP in DIRMAP and/or DISKMAP? Is there a workaround for this on VM Tools? gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/05/2011 07:26 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER George: Not sure we understand the question, but... Without DIRMAINT, try DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT - Generate two files, one with only the Gaps and other with the allocated cylinders, both classified by VOLSER. With DIRMAINT, try DIRM FREE and DIRM USED to get files like the same proposal... Or, DIRM DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT DIRM HELP DIRMAP shows: Devsort requests that the report is to be sorted by device type followed by volume label. The default is to sort by volume label. Gapfile Generate a file listing gaps in addition to a report detailing the current DASD utilization. Note: If you use the GAPFILE option without using the EXCLUDE option and excluded full volume overlays are defined on your system no gap data will be returned. Use the EXCLUDE option to eliminate the excluded full volume overlays from consideration when building the gap data. The gapfile is listed in the following format: Field Use 1volid of disk 2device type of disk. 3start cylinder/block of gap 4end cylinder/block of gap 5number of cylinders/blocks in gap Note: All fields are blank delimited and not bound to a specific column range. __ Clovis From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 19:33 Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Or better yet... _why_? It sounds as if you want to display users and mdisks, sorted by user (and perhaps mdisk, too) which reside between gaps. But _why_? What are you attempting to do? Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/04/2011 03:26 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER I don't understand your question.. If there is a GAP then there is no USER. ??? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Does anybody have anything like a PIPE command or a utility to do this sort of thing, sort the DIRECTORY DISKMAP on USER within GAPS? I am sure DIRMAINT would obviate the necessity for such a thing, but right now this is all I can do. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted,
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
Not sure, but I think DIRMAP would see that as a 3390-4 then.. You need to define a dummy as 1 3339 it won't see overlaps then. On Wed, Jan 5, 2011 at 3:23 PM, Tom Duerbusch duerbus...@stlouiscity.comwrote: For decades I've been using $ENDPAK$ userid to define the last cylinder of each pack. That, along with $ALLOC$ for cylinder 0, has allowed DISKMAP to show trailing gaps. I never thought about it, but I should have defined the last cylinder to be (last cylinder + 1) i.e. 3340 cylinders for a 3390-3. Currently, I get the *OVERLAP* flag when I do use the last cylinder. Tom Duerbusch THD Consulting Frank M. Ramaekers framaek...@ailife.com 1/5/2011 3:12 PM These tools (DIRMAP and MDISKMAP) have no ideas how many cylinders a device has (unless you told it by defining a full pack mini-disk). Frank M. Ramaekers Jr. From: The IBM z/VM Operating System [mailto:ib...@listserv.uark.edu] On Behalf Of George Henke/NYLIC Sent: Wednesday, January 05, 2011 2:51 PM To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER This is great, George, ty. Just one problem. It does not show the GAPs after the last extent on a VOLSER. It would be nice to know the GAPS on the tailend of a VOLSER also. Must I put a dummy entry on the last cylinder to generate a GAP in DIRMAP and/or DISKMAP? Is there a workaround for this on VM Tools? gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/05/2011 07:26 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER George: Not sure we understand the question, but... Without DIRMAINT, try DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT - Generate two files, one with only the Gaps and other with the allocated cylinders, both classified by VOLSER. With DIRMAINT, try DIRM FREE and DIRM USED to get files like the same proposal... Or, DIRM DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT DIRM HELP DIRMAP shows: Devsort requests that the report is to be sorted by device type followed by volume label. The default is to sort by volume label. Gapfile Generate a file listing gaps in addition to a report detailing the current DASD utilization. Note: If you use the GAPFILE option without using the EXCLUDE option and excluded full volume overlays are defined on your system no gap data will be returned. Use the EXCLUDE option to eliminate the excluded full volume overlays from consideration when building the gap data. The gapfile is listed in the following format: Field Use 1volid of disk 2device type of disk. 3start cylinder/block of gap 4end cylinder/block of gap 5number of cylinders/blocks in gap Note: All fields are blank delimited and not bound to a specific column range. __ Clovis From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 19:33 Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Or better yet... _why_? It sounds as if you want to display users and mdisks, sorted by user (and perhaps mdisk, too) which reside between gaps. But _why_? What are you attempting to do? Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/04/2011 03:26 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER I don't understand your question.. If there is a GAP then there is no USER. ??? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Does anybody have anything like a PIPE command or a utility to do this sort of thing, sort the DIRECTORY DISKMAP on USER within GAPS? I am sure DIRMAINT would obviate the necessity for such a thing, but right now this is all I can do. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
On: Wed, Jan 05, 2011 at 03:50:30PM -0500,George Henke/NYLIC Wrote: } Just one problem. } It does not show the GAPs after the last extent on a VOLSER. } It would be nice to know the GAPS on the tailend of a VOLSER also. } Must I put a dummy entry on the last cylinder to generate a GAP in DIRMAP } and/or DISKMAP? } } Is there a workaround for this on VM Tools? At my last job before I retired to a life of ease :-) I had a large series of execs and xedit macros that produced a map of each DSAD including gaps and the gap after the last user mdisk (if any). I don't want to post it because its too big and uses some charactistics of the installation you might not have, but here are a few lines of a macro that discovered the number of cylinders on the DASD so you could check for a gap at the end: 'NFIND __' /* Get */ 'EXTRACT /CURLINE/'/* the */ vsn = translate(left(curline.3,6)) /*volser.*/ parse value diagrc(8,'QUERY DASD' vsn, 80) with cp_rc . . cuu err '15'x if cp_rc ^= 0 | err = 'was not found.' /* Error? */ then iterate/* Yes, ignore this vol. */ parse value diagrc(8,'QUERY DASD DETAILS' cuu) with cp_rc . , 'CYLS =' ncyl '15'x if cp_rc ^= 0 /* Error?*/ then iterate/* Yes, ignore this vol. */ ncyl = strip(ncyl, 'L')/* Drop leading blanks. */ Note: You need priv class D (at least) to do this. -- Rich Greenberg Sarasota, FL, USA richgr atsign panix.com + 1 941 378 2097 Eastern time. N6LRT I speak for myself my dogs only.VM'er since CP-67 Canines: Val, Red, Shasta, Zero Casey (At the bridge)Owner:Chinook-L Canines: Red Cinnar (Siberians) Retired at the beach Asst Owner:Sibernet-L
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
DIRMAP has a table of known disksizes (and one can define extra in a control file). DIRMAP guesses the size of a pack by looking at the last cylinder being used. For example: the last minidisk ends on cyl 400 -- DIRMAP thinks it is a model 1, 1113 cylinders and will report 401-1112 as gap I'll send you the document I wrote to tell my former customer how I set up our directory (with a FULLPACK user for example). 2011/1/5 George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com This is great, George, ty. Just one problem. It does not show the GAPs after the last extent on a VOLSER. It would be nice to know the GAPS on the tailend of a VOLSER also. Must I put a dummy entry on the last cylinder to generate a GAP in DIRMAP and/or DISKMAP? Is there a workaround for this on VM Tools? *gclo...@br.ibm.com* Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/05/2011 07:26 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER George: Not sure we understand the question, but... Without DIRMAINT, try DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT - Generate two files, one with only the Gaps and other with the allocated cylinders, both classified by VOLSER. With DIRMAINT, try DIRM FREE and DIRM USED to get files like the same proposal... Or, DIRM DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT DIRM HELP DIRMAP shows: Devsort requests that the report is to be sorted by device type followed by volume label. The default is to sort by volume label. Gapfile Generate a file listing gaps in addition to a report detailing the current DASD utilization. Note: If you use the GAPFILE option without using the EXCLUDE option and excluded full volume overlays are defined on your system no gap data will be returned. Use the EXCLUDE option to eliminate the excluded full volume overlays from consideration when building the gap data. The gapfile is listed in the following format: Field Use 1volid of disk 2device type of disk. 3start cylinder/block of gap 4end cylinder/block of gap 5number of cylinders/blocks in gap Note: All fields are blank delimited and not bound to a specific column range. __ Clovis From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 19:33 Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU -- Or better yet... _why_? It sounds as if you want to display users and mdisks, sorted by user (and perhaps mdisk, too) which reside between gaps. But _why_? What are you attempting to do? Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. *Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com* Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/04/2011 03:26 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER I don't understand your question.. If there is a GAP then there is no USER. ??? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, George Henke/NYLIC * george_he...@newyorklife.com* george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Does anybody have anything like a PIPE command or a utility to do this sort of thing, sort the DIRECTORY DISKMAP on USER within GAPS? I am sure DIRMAINT would obviate the necessity for such a thing, but right now this is all I can do. -- The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail. -- Kris Buelens, IBM Belgium, VM customer support
Re: Dynamically adding 3390's
Over the years since dynamic IOCP changes became possible, I have had several occasions to use them. At first I ran into problems of not being able to activate the newly saved IOCDS (RC=88, I believe) because I had somehow or other gotten out of sync. So I created a special machine just for dynamic IOCP stuff, named, obviously, DYNIOCP. This machine presents a panel, which: - tells me if current status is DYN ON or DYN OFF - allows me to change the DYN status - records EVERY command entered, *AND* its resulting message(s) in a dated log file - allows me to scroll backward/forward through an unlimited number of previous commands - has a PF for FILELIST enabling me to look at log files, etc. So, I can be totally sure what changes I *did* do, and what I did *not*, and can create an IOCP source exactly matching the new hardware setup. I recently had to set up new dasd on the fly, after a long time with no new hardware, and using DYNIOCP made it a breeze! Seeing a successful result to SET IOCDS_ACTIVE is a real pleasure. Available on request, of course. (Pre-req: my XFS panel display program) Shimon
Re: DISKACNT profile exec
On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 10:31 EST, Robert Payne rpa...@tad.org wrote: Would I be out of line or violating license issues to ask for someone's copy of this EXEC ? Yes, I have the install DDR tapes for z/VM 5.2 but that would be overkill just to recover one piece of code. YUP, it was like BANG ! OUCH ! my gun, my foot. LOL Just restore the file from IBM Archive Manager for z/VM. Oh, wait :-) When you license something, the author/inventor retains all control except as provided for in the license agreement or in applicable law. IBM licenses specifically preclude redistributing the software. You are permitted to transfer the software to someone else only as part of a machine sale. (See the IPLA license agreement.) IBM has been known, for things not readily accessible by Development, to explicitly (in writing) give permission for the transfer of software directly from one client to another. In the future, your first stop should be the Support Center. (Yeah, even for something as seemingly simple as a PROFILE EXEC.) Of course, someone could simply *tell* you what the exec does (in abstract terms) and you could type it in. I'm pretty much betting that your version would be better than the one provided by IBM. ;-) 1. Find out how full the A disk is and tell the Operator (who cares how many records?) 2. QUERY RECORDING to find out which type of record you are supposed to collect 3. Use the RETRIEVE command with the appropriate option. (Though I would think that ALL would work since each user ID is only authorized for one type of record.) Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
Hi, George. As Kris said, the program don't know the real end of the dasd. He assumes the model enough to accommodate the last cylinder defined. Due the same problem, avoid use 0 END for fullpacks. To bypass it: Without DIRMAINT: define a dummy machine with all fullpack. Good for backup purposes too... SYSDUMP1 is a good candidate. With DIRMAINT: see EXTENT CONTROL file. Specify the correct dasd TYPE (ex. 3390-09), in :REGIONS. section. The TYPEs (sizes) are described in DEFAULTS DATADVH file. If you already uses the dummy fullpack machine, put it on :EXCLUDE. section, to avoid a false No gaps available. __ Clovis From: George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 01/05/2011 06:51 PM Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU This is great, George, ty. Just one problem. It does not show the GAPs after the last extent on a VOLSER. It would be nice to know the GAPS on the tailend of a VOLSER also. Must I put a dummy entry on the last cylinder to generate a GAP in DIRMAP and/or DISKMAP? Is there a workaround for this on VM Tools? gclo...@br.ibm.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/05/2011 07:26 AM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER George: Not sure we understand the question, but... Without DIRMAINT, try DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT - Generate two files, one with only the Gaps and other with the allocated cylinders, both classified by VOLSER. With DIRMAINT, try DIRM FREE and DIRM USED to get files like the same proposal... Or, DIRM DIRMAP (GAPFILE DEVSORT DIRM HELP DIRMAP shows: Devsort requests that the report is to be sorted by device type followed by volume label. The default is to sort by volume label. Gapfile Generate a file listing gaps in addition to a report detailing the current DASD utilization. Note: If you use the GAPFILE option without using the EXCLUDE option and excluded full volume overlays are defined on your system no gap data will be returned. Use the EXCLUDE option to eliminate the excluded full volume overlays from consideration when building the gap data. The gapfile is listed in the following format: Field Use 1volid of disk 2device type of disk. 3start cylinder/block of gap 4end cylinder/block of gap 5number of cylinders/blocks in gap Note: All fields are blank delimited and not bound to a specific column range. __ Clovis From: Mike Walter mike.wal...@hewitt.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 04/01/2011 19:33 Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Or better yet... _why_? It sounds as if you want to display users and mdisks, sorted by user (and perhaps mdisk, too) which reside between gaps. But _why_? What are you attempting to do? Mike Walter Aon Corporation The opinions expressed herein are mine alone, not my employer's. Tom Huegel tehue...@gmail.com Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU 01/04/2011 03:26 PM Please respond to The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU To IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU cc Subject Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER I don't understand your question.. If there is a GAP then there is no USER. ??? On Tue, Jan 4, 2011 at 1:13 PM, George Henke/NYLIC george_he...@newyorklife.com wrote: Does anybody have anything like a PIPE command or a utility to do this sort of thing, sort the DIRECTORY DISKMAP on USER within GAPS? I am sure DIRMAINT would obviate the necessity for such a thing, but right now this is all I can do. The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 06:18 EST, gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote: Hi, George. As Kris said, the program don't know the real end of the dasd. He assumes the model enough to accommodate the last cylinder defined. Due the same problem, avoid use 0 END for fullpacks. Maybe fix the program to do a QUERY DASD DETAIL to find out how big the volume is? Yeah, you have to run it from an authorized id, but that shouldn't be an issue. The need for humans to tell the machine how big a disk is strikes me as cosmic humor. That's as funny as ... as ... as having a $1M computer ask you to look at at your $15 Mickey Mouse watch and tell it what time it is when you IPL it. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
Hi, Alan. Maybe fix the program to do a QUERY DASD DETAIL to find out how big the volume is? Agreed. But we are talking about the DIRMAP (and DISKMAP), two IBM programs. This justify to open a Request-For-Change? TIA, __ Clovis From: Alan Altmark alan_altm...@us.ibm.com To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Date: 01/05/2011 09:37 PM Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER Sent by: The IBM z/VM Operating System IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 06:18 EST, gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote: Hi, George. As Kris said, the program don't know the real end of the dasd. He assumes the model enough to accommodate the last cylinder defined. Due the same problem, avoid use 0 END for fullpacks. Maybe fix the program to do a QUERY DASD DETAIL to find out how big the volume is? Yeah, you have to run it from an authorized id, but that shouldn't be an issue. The need for humans to tell the machine how big a disk is strikes me as cosmic humor. That's as funny as ... as ... as having a $1M computer ask you to look at at your $15 Mickey Mouse watch and tell it what time it is when you IPL it. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 06:47 EST, gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote: But we are talking about the DIRMAP (and DISKMAP), two IBM programs. This justify to open a Request-For-Change? You don't need justification to open a Requirement. IBM needs justification to actually fix it, however, and that could come from the sheer volume of clients asking for the same thing. But if you don't ask for a change, changes will certainly never be made. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott
Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER
The need for humans to tell the machine how big a disk is strikes me as cosmic humor. That's as funny as ... as ... as having a $1M computer ask you to look at at your $15 Mickey Mouse watch and tell it what time it is when you IPL it. Even more comically humorous to me is that without specially paid for extra hardware, that $1M computer (obviously someone is getting a very good deal on 196's!), that computer's own internal clock is no more accurate than Mickey! Someone should be ashamed! Mike Walter Aon Corporation (Sent from the wee keyboard of a Blackberry.) - Original Message - From: Alan Altmark [alan_altm...@us.ibm.com] Sent: 01/05/2011 06:36 PM EST To: IBMVM@LISTSERV.UARK.EDU Subject: Re: SORTING DIRECTORY GAPS BY USER On Wednesday, 01/05/2011 at 06:18 EST, gclo...@br.ibm.com wrote: Hi, George. As Kris said, the program don't know the real end of the dasd. He assumes the model enough to accommodate the last cylinder defined. Due the same problem, avoid use 0 END for fullpacks. Maybe fix the program to do a QUERY DASD DETAIL to find out how big the volume is? Yeah, you have to run it from an authorized id, but that shouldn't be an issue. The need for humans to tell the machine how big a disk is strikes me as cosmic humor. That's as funny as ... as ... as having a $1M computer ask you to look at at your $15 Mickey Mouse watch and tell it what time it is when you IPL it. Alan Altmark z/VM and Linux on System z Consultant IBM System Lab Services and Training ibm.com/systems/services/labservices office: 607.429.3323 alan_altm...@us.ibm.com IBM Endicott The information contained in this e-mail and any accompanying documents may contain information that is confidential or otherwise protected from disclosure. If you are not the intended recipient of this message, or if this message has been addressed to you in error, please immediately alert the sender by reply e-mail and then delete this message, including any attachments. Any dissemination, distribution or other use of the contents of this message by anyone other than the intended recipient is strictly prohibited. All messages sent to and from this e-mail address may be monitored as permitted by applicable law and regulations to ensure compliance with our internal policies and to protect our business. E-mails are not secure and cannot be guaranteed to be error free as they can be intercepted, amended, lost or destroyed, or contain viruses. You are deemed to have accepted these risks if you communicate with us by e-mail.
