RE: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
i've never heard an icelander make such claims. Melnir is one of my smaller Icelandics. He was just five when we got him, so he wasn't even fully physically mature. At the moment, I can't remember what he weight tapes now, but he was less than 700 when we got him. I explained his size to two Icelander trainers not long after we bought him, telling them we might later be looking for a horse suitable to carry Cary, who is 235 pounds. They said no problem, Melnir would have no problem carrying Cary. At five? No way was I going to let anyone so big ride him, and even now at nine, Cary doesn't ride him. I just stared at them and said I don't think so. Cary only rides our larger framed Icelandic horses, and is careful to condition them slowly. He doesn't ride the young ones until they've carried a smaller rider for a while. I think I remember that, at that time, Cary was about 35% of Melnir's weight. I personally like some of the more moderately-framed Icelandics - I feel like Melnir fits me (or maybe I fit him) better than about any horse (ok, pony) that I've ever ridden. But, I'm petite-framed, 5'0 tall, size 5.5-6 shoes, and a 6 wrist, even though I'm chubbier than I should be at 138 pounds. But, for a large man to ride him? Not my pony! Even though Melnir is fully mature now, I have been taking my time to condition him slowly to carry MY weight. It's just the nice thing to do. Karen Thomas, NC
RE: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
That's just one instance; I believe it's been stated by other imported trainers with the amount at 250 lbs. I've noticed that the figure often inflates depending on the size of the sucker (uh, I mean buyer) they are talking to at the moment. When 235-pound Cary was the potential victim, the sellers told us they could easily carry 300 pounds. (Not Robyn, Christine or Anneliese, but the Icelanders.) I actually saw 400 pounds listed once. What kills me is that the show standards (FEIF) are encouraging folks to breed more refined horses, while many sellers are inflating the weight carrying ability of the breed. It simply can't work that way. Karen Thomas, NC
[IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have we heard a trainer, breeder, or seller of Icelandic Horses claim that the horses can carry a 300 lb man all day? ---No, I haven't. Is this true? ---No, it's not. Is it logical? ---No, it's not. Dawn Bruin-Slot Fuzzy Logic Equine
[IceHorses] Seller claims
There used to be a guy near us who seemed to advertise quite a few horses for sale. I was looking for a large pony or small horse, had to be 14.2 or under because we wanted to show in pony hunters. He had a quarter horse mare advertised at 14.1 so I called him. On the phone, he said she was 14.3. I asked him about it because I didn't want to drive 25 miles to look at a too-big horse. His answer: Well, how big did you want her to be? I have always thought that was the classic horse dealer answer. He'd probably have claimed she would carry 300 lbs if I had asked. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
even if a horse can carry 300 pounds, and even if they could carry it all day without harm, i KNOW most cannot ride balanced at that weight. I only say most because I know if i say all someone will come up with I had my great uncle roscoe who weighed 450 and rode at Tevis three years straight on our Mini marec buttercup, never fails, then instead of really talking about whats important, the weight bearing limits of icelandics, it morphs into there was once a man in a village i once passed thru when i was 8 years old who could ride standing in the saddle on his one wooden leg, his name was fred, it was in barcelona, i believe then someone else says I have been to barcelona many times, its lovely there then someone says I had an uncle named FRED! oh my GOSH! then another my uncle named fred had ricketts. Then someone says I have never actually heard any icelander personally say from their own lips that they had any uncles named fred so they must not actually exist altho I have seen on maps there is a country named barcelona so i suspect, altho i am not completely 100% certain since no icelander ever told me themselves, that barcelona could possibly exist in the mean time all over the planet 350-400 people are hefting themselves up onto little icelandic ponies with cranes and forklifts and riding them helter skelter over hill and dale, tolting fiendishly, yee ha! yee ha! slapping crops and throwing their hats in the air. then after several have broken their necks someone comes on here and says icelandics cant carry 300 pound people even if a 300 pound person COULD ride without breaking their neck at the least spook, tho icelanders wanting to sell horses say they can, (and also that icelandics, not one ever, has ever spooked) then someone says that it has to be true if an icelander said it but they personally never heard an icelander say it with their own lips so they doubt any icelander ever said it (how many icelanders do they know, one maybe two?) My husband weighs a lot, i dont know how much but its at least 270 maybe. according to the 1/3 their weight formula his horse should carry him, but his horse has to stagger for balance when he first mounts and when other horses are not worn out on a ride, his is. So the 1/3 their weight doesnt work either. I have a horse that weighs 1300 on tape and he carries my husband as if no one is up there. and he is 17hh. maybe height has something to do with it too. But he seems unaffected by carrying a lot of weight, but then when my husband rides the ride is short, rarely more than an hour, and the ride is at a gentle pace usually during the cool early morning hours. if a rider is heavy they should ask the horse. A horse gives many many obvious signs when a rider weighs too much. The most obvious one--- altho they are a horse that will stand for mounting they MUST take a step or two to regain balance when a too-heavy person mounts and they sway, and sometimes their rear end will give away a little as they step to regain balance. Also excessive sweatiness and exertion on a ride when all other horses are dry and not breathing hard. then later on- a wrecked back and pain issues such as bucking and bolting. janice-- sometimes i just get exasperated and impatient yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Arena Lighting
I have a safety lite in the yard that we pay 5 bucks a month for to the power company. But on a full moon you can see catalina island from my porch. haha just kidding. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
On 7/31/07, dawn_atherton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have we heard a trainer, breeder, or seller of Icelandic Horses claim that the horses can carry a 300 lb man all day? ---No, I haven't. Is this true? ---No, it's not. Is it logical? ---No, it's not. Dawn Bruin-Slot Fuzzy Logic Equine this brings up an interesting point i think. Seems to me a lot of misinformation comes from a small handful of sources and is accepted broadly as fact when its not. I for instance bought my icelandic from a small breeder/trainer/seller of icelandic horses. She didn't give me any of these broad based myths as facts. The only person from iceland that i have ever talked to is a person who owns trains icelandics in a wonderful natural horsemanship manner and has never offered any of this misinformation as credible, in fact thinks most of it is pretty ridiculous as I do. So where is it coming from? There are so few icelandic breeders/trainers/sellers who put out any information to the public at large about the breed. Relatively there are very few people in the US who actually travel to iceland and talk to breeders/sellers/trainers there. so who puts all this wrong stuff out there?? Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] The Nature of Icelandics
On 7/30/07, Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You need to expose yourself to Icelandic mares. I think Icelandics are generally quiet in herds, but some can do injury to newcomers! I have known some cool mares, but I have never been around one that was bland and sweet as a gelding can be :) I'm sure they exist haha. But I feel like mares are like female dogs... in my years of dog ownership I have found that males are doofus and happy and loving while females are smart and clever. I prefer female dogs. I have had male dogs and have one now and he is so sweet and funny but all my female dogs are just off the chart smart. and I have never seen a shut down mare. I have seen mares that were so dang mean they were literally night-mares and I have seen some so tolerant of a horrible life it was just heartbreaking. but i havent seen any that just stood blank like living death the way some mistreated geldings do. but usually when a mare gets too mean to ride they turn her into a brood mare, maybe thats why you dont see so many that are destroyed spirits. but altho i have seen mares I admire, I have never connected instantly with one whereas I have many times with geldings and studs. I have seen a glimmer in there with shut down geldings and somehow connected, but most mares will just stand firm and wait til you go away instead of responding to any attempts at connection. it could be cool to connect that way with a mare tho, because like some people are hard to get it can be very meaningful to crack thru a little barrier... anyway. just mare musings :) i think a mare around here would bring poor ol gallant boy back to life and then oh lord what would I do with a ranting stallion around :) The last month or so, even tho he is still a bag of bones, he has started acting more frisky and cocky. He won't let me lead him in from pasture anymore. He sees me coming and gallops in himself thankyou, goes straight to his feed bucket like i dont need no woman telling me what to do :) lord, he'll probably live forever now. he eats like a horse. or three horses, just to maintain his trim 300 pounds underweightedness.. Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Seller claims
On 7/31/07, Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: His answer: Well, how big did you want her to be? I have always thought that was the classic horse dealer answer. He'd probably have claimed she would carry 300 lbs if I had asked. Nancy isnt that despicable?? And shows no regard whatsoever for the horse involved. no wonder so many horses end up rehabs or worse! janice -- yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
Have we heard a trainer, breeder, or seller of Icelandic Horses claim that the horses can carry a 300 lb man all day? Here is a quote from a riding tour advertisement: The height of Icelandic Horses is 13 - 14.2 hands. These small but strong horses can easily carry a rider up to 250 lbs.
Re: [IceHorses] Seller claims
On 31/07/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: isnt that despicable?? And shows no regard whatsoever for the horse involved. no wonder so many horses end up rehabs or worse! janice That's why I really admire breeders that maintain their integrity and tell it like it is, even if if means losing a sale that day... Word gets around as far as who can be trusted to deal with you straight up, as well as the other side of the coin, where trouble and bad deals seem to follow them no matter where they go. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
Don't the extra horses still have to cover the same amount of ground? How much easier for them do you suppose it is to cover say 25 miles unencumbered as compared to traveling the same amount of miles with a rider? Interesting questions! It has to be easier to go without a rider. I think the rider impacts the horse quite a bit, particularly if the rider is leaning back, and balancing on the rein. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] A picture for Wanda
From: Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] This is Flekka, obviously taken a few months back! ACK! Don't remind me of snow! It may be hotter then heck but I prefer that to snow! Hubby was even saying that he'd love to move south every winter--find a little farm somewhere warm V _ Put Your Face In Your Space with Windows Live Spaces http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 08:04:26PM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: I have wondered about the Icelandic method of riding several horses during a trip. I think the US Calvary and some large ranch outfits had the same practice. Don't the extra horses still have to cover the same amount of ground? How much easier for them do you suppose it is to cover say 25 miles unencumbered as compared to traveling the same amount of miles with a rider? well, as someone who's hiked both with and without a backpack, i would say subjectively that going without is a whole lot easier. how many miles do wild horses (a ranging grazing prey animal) typically cover during a day? --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 06:36:44AM -0400, Karen Thomas wrote: I personally like some of the more moderately-framed Icelandics - I feel like Melnir fits me (or maybe I fit him) better than about any horse (ok, pony) that I've ever ridden. But, I'm petite-framed, 5'0 tall, size 5.5-6 shoes, and a 6 wrist, even though I'm chubbier than I should be at 138 pounds. But, for a large man to ride him? Not my pony! Even though Melnir is fully mature now, I have been taking my time to condition him slowly to carry MY weight. It's just the nice thing to do. *grin* one funny thing about stjarni is he looks like a perfect fit to me for everybody from my 60# smallest student to my 6'2 husband. and of course he feels perfect to me, and i am rather tiny myself for an adult; 5'1, 110#, size 6 ariat terrains. then again he was 12 when i got him, so fully mature, and had been ridden by goodness knows who before that, so perhaps he is just used to a wide range of riders. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
well, just think of you walking five miles unencumbered, then walking five miles with over 1/3 your weight on your back. Janice
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
On Mon, Jul 30, 2007 at 09:14:00PM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: Have we heard a trainer, breeder, or seller of Icelandic Horses claim that the horses can carry a 300 lb man all day? i've never heard an icelander make such claims. Here's an excerpt (attached) from an article written from an interview with Steinar, Diddi's son. i'm sorry, but i have the world's most primitive mail reader here, so i can't see an attachment? could i ask you to quote the relevant bits? That's just one instance; I believe it's been stated by other imported trainers with the amount at 250 lbs. On one breeder's site, in regard to a horse for sale, it includes the following comment: the professional trainers from Iceland that saw her say she could easily carry 350 lbs. but not all day. In a horse magazine, one importer says: Icelandics are powerful enough to carry a 300-pound man over tough terrain on long trail rides. i think some of these terms are insufficiently defined: tough terrian and long trail rides. for most people at my barn, an hour of trail riding is long. since my trail-riding buddy turns out to be one of the diehards, for us it's become four or five hours. both his 20-year-old quarab and stjarni seem to like this a lot, and except on very hot days they come home cool and comfortable. (we give them liniment baths when it's gotten icky out.) and how well does the theoretical 300# rider *ride*? i love your webpage with tips for horses for large people! i will be printing this out and posting it in my barn for the benefit of some of our larger riders and people (like me!) who sometimes have large people riding their horses. Great; thanks! thank you!! to share my own experiences with stjarni (an icelandic of considerable bulk: 14hh, weight-tapes 1000-1100# (i should do this again), 9 cannon bones, and in work about 1-4 hours a day, five days a week, several different riders): i have one beginner rider who weighs around 240#. she's still on the lead line at the walk, as her balance is poor, but we're working on her strength-building so she's actually *on* for up to an hour. stjarni's shown no signs of soreness or discomfort (i massage him after every day he gets ridden, pretty much). he's careful with her, as he is with all his beginning riders. i also have an advanced rider, 190#, who has ridden stjarni over fences in the ring and out on the trail for as much as an hour (say five or six miles) with no problems (stjarni LOVES this guy :) i would be willing to try letting him carry a 300# rider, and let stjarni tell me (by his willingness, his expressions, and his tension under massage) whether or not he was uncomfortable. but i wouldn't say offhand it wouldn't work, and of course stjarni isn't the biggest or strongest icey in the world, either. but i think the biggest factor might be the rider's ability to balance well and make stjarni's life easy; the well-packed, well-fitted backpack model :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 07:46:08AM -0500, Janice McDonald wrote: Relatively there are very few people in the US who actually travel to iceland and talk to breeders/sellers/trainers there. so who puts all this wrong stuff out there?? i have to say i've personally heard the most of it (clearly marked as disinformation) on this list. --vicka
[IceHorses] parade idea
hey, this saturday I am going to ride my horse Jaspar in the Wausau FL Possum Festival parade. its only a 15 minute or so parade, always a sorta comical festival where they crown a possum king and queen, and they are always the ugliest not the most attractive contestants. they try and make themselves as ugly as possible blacking out teeth etc. I swear I am not making this up. Anyway. I wanted to ride Tivar in it but he has an eye owie right now and has to wear a mask and he is a horse that gets very impatient and aggravated with standing around and waiting etc. And it will be hottern the dickens! anyway. I was telling my husband he should go and lead Nasi and walk along beside us in the parade and us dress Nasi up to look like a possum. would that be cute or WHAT. so how could I make Nasi into a possum... i was thinking I could wrap his tail in brown packaging/masking tape and he could wear these easter bunny ears I have. I could make a cone and attach it to a halter and put a little round ball on the pointy end for a nose? any ideas?? I bet he would make the news Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
Oh my, Vicka, that would be your horse or your husband? Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] A picture for Wanda
ACK! Don't remind me of snow! It may be hotter then heck but I prefer that to snow! Hubby was even saying that he'd love to move south every winter--find a little farm somewhere warm V Come to Kentucky! It does snow once in a while but it melts quickly and spring is early and the fall is colorful and very pleasant and warm. There are 128 acres for sale near us. Anneliese
[IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: me for everybody from my 60# smallest student to my 6'2 husband. and of course he feels perfect to me, and i am rather tiny myself for an adult; 5'1, 110#, size 6 ariat terrains. --vicka Vicka, Stjarni is indeed a well built guy. He's stocky and seems to have pretty good conformation for weight carrying. Some Icelandics are more finely built and likely couldn't carry as much weight. But I think that Stjarni is a good example of the breed... Dawn Bruin-Slot
[IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but i think the biggest factor might be the rider's ability to balance well and make stjarni's life easy; the well-packed, well- fitted backpack model :) --vicka Vicka, you hit on a few really, really important things when it comes to carrying weight. I think balance, length of ride and terrain make a huge difference in this subject. I think a 100 lb rider who bounces and twists on the horse's back may be just as bad, if not worse, than a 200 lb rider who rides very balanced and quiet. That's something well worth noting... Dawn Bruin-Slot
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 10:41:49AM -0700, Nancy Sturm wrote: Oh my, Vicka, that would be your horse or your husband? in which way? :) i recently amused a friend by pointing out that daniel (my husband) is not my other half -- he's a complete individual unto himself, thanks very much. but when i'm riding stjarni, i do strive to be the other half of a unified being -- i visualize us as a centaur. (of course, when daniel's on stjarni, *he's* the other half of their centaur. i shall gracefully decline to discuss ways in which daniel and i might be considered to share a center of momentum ;) --vicka ps. my husband is tall, slender, and only moderately strong -- i would never ask *him* to lift 300#!
[IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I have never had that problem before. Even with horses I have gotten from other states. Any help? Please don't critisize. A couple of times that I have asked for advice I have gotten negative feedback.. Let me tell you it does not help. Thanks. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori Be a better Globetrotter. Get better travel answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545469
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
well I am surely not a liteweight but I at least ride my horse, my husband sorta wallers around up there like a drunk, gosh its awful. janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
On 7/31/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I have never had that problem before. Even with horses I have gotten from other states. Any help? Please don't critisize. A couple of times that I have asked for advice I have gotten negative feedback.. Let me tell you it does not help. Thanks. Lorraine Happy Trails from Lori i have this problem too but only at home. We go off from home on a ride and they seem fine. It helps me to take them for a long walk down the road, on a lead. Also I will ride them circling the yard and making the circle bigger and bigger as they relax until they are out of sight of their paddocks and then we go out the gate a little, back in, each time going further. Someone on here one time said they stash treats along the route and stop and let the horse find it. I thought that sounded like a cool idea... Janice yipie tie yie yo
[IceHorses] a nite ride?
Perseids There is something magical about a point of light suddenly streaking across the starry field of the night sky. Those shooting stars are actually not stars at all but meteors. Of the major meteor showers that return to our skies at the same time each year, the Perseid shower puts on the brightest dependable show on the night of August 11-12. This year's new Moon conditions are ideal for viewing. Make sure that you check the sky often after dark. The very best viewing will be after midnight Sincerely, The Old Farmer's Almanac janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] me and a celebrity
On 7/31/07 12:32 PM, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: here I am at the Liz clinic. I just found this pic. I am on my husbands horse traveller. He is a multi-gaited McCurdy Plantation horse, his dam is a foundation mare of the breed and his sire is in that book Those Fabulous Floating Horses and was in a monthly ad in The Gaitedhorse magazine. His name is McCurdy's New Tradition. He is dark dappled grey but Traveller greyed out very very early. He was born just as bay as bay can be. He is six now. I have a pic somewhere... anyway. I am very proud of this pic of me and Liz Graves! Janice Janice: I wish people would take off their hats/helmets when taking stationary pictures. As it is, all you can see is the tip of their noses and their mouths, etc. Your would never recognize them if you saw them on the street. What is the point of taking pictures when you cannot see their faces? One pet-peave of mine with people in horsey pictures. -- Anneliese
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. Was Scooter also like that previously? Try setting out some treats on the driveway (ahead of time), going away from home, so that he can have something to look forward to, something that he has his mind on, a focus that is a benefit for him when leaving the other horses or his corral. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 10:28:11AM -0700, Lorraine wrote: I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I have never had that problem before. Even with horses I have gotten from other states. Any help? Please don't critisize. A couple of times that I have asked for advice I have gotten negative feedback.. Let me tell you it does not help. Thanks. Lorraine try tempting him with something other than riding? as soon as you are out of the corral, dismount, give him massage or treats or whatever he enjoys, and then remount and ride him back in. over time, extend the distance, but make sure to take along refreshments to spice up the journey along the way. for stjarni (who isn't barn sour at all) the chance to stop and graze for a few minutes out on the trail seems to make him all kinds of happy good luck, --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
are very few people in the US who actually travel to iceland and talk to breeders/sellers/trainers there. so who puts all this wrong stuff out there?? i have to say i've personally heard the most of it (clearly marked as disinformation) on this list. We try to keep up with the current information, as well as trying to dispell the myths and rumors, as quickly as possible, for the benefit of the horse. Sometimes, if people haven't heard it, except here, they may be new to the breed, not been exposed to the PR, and / or get most of their information from the list, which is a good thing. I think applying logic and common sense to the situation would be better for the horse. Here are several places where it has been repeated about the 250 lbs: http://www.3dranch.net/IcelandicHorses.html (breeders) An Icelandic Horse can easily carry a rider up to 250 lb. over great distances. http://www.gaitedhorses.net/BreedArticles/IceBreedDesc.htm (info from Lukka) An Icelandic Horse can easily carry a rider up to 250 lb. over great distances. http://www.moondanceacres.com/FAQ.html (importers, breeders) Q. I'm a husky 220 lb, do you really think one of those little Icelandic horses can carry me? A. It is commonly said that the Icelandic Horse can carry up to 300 lb without problems. I am only comfortable saying this, when we talk about an individual horse that is physically built for weight carrying ability with strong bones, well muscled and compact, and if such horse is not expected to carry all that weight for many hours in challenging terrain. In Germany such horses are called weight carrier type. We have to be aware of the fact that not size, but conformation determines weight carrying ability. A strong back, loins and hind, paired with good muscling, strong joints and feet will make a much stronger horse that some of the lofty 16 hh thoroughbred type horses with weak backs and no substance. Some Icelandics are small and fineboned with weaker backs or loins, but the average Icelandic will be fine with weights of up to 250 lb if the Rider is balanced and the Saddle fits well. Just consider this - it is the only breed in Iceland, and the Icelandic people are generally tall and many men exceed six feet. The Icelandic Horse is very powerful for its size, has a very long stride and a proud bearing that makes it look much larger than it actually is. Small horses like the icelandic have a better ratio of calories to output and great stamina/willingness that will actually get you somewhere - they often are natural swimmers and have a lot of sense for the trail, they rarely spook and can also be your best buddy when you are not in the saddle. http://www.hiddentrails.com/canada/rt/bc-icelandics.htm#The_Icelandic_Horse These small but strong horses can easily carry a rider up to 250 lbs. http://www.hiddentrails.com/weight-trips.htm Also all rides in Iceland and Norway are OK to book up to 250 lbs due to the unique body structure of the Icelandic horses. http://www.toltaway.com/index.cfm/id/The_Icelandic_Horse (breeders) The Icelandic Horse can without problem carry a person up to 300 lbs. http://forums.somd.com/archive/index.php/t-67911.html A nieghbor of mine is 5'9 and 250 lbs and he rides and breeds icelandic horses. http://www.icehorse.com This Viking Horse is tough enough to carry a 300-pound man, and can easily be ridden by women and children. http://goldenvalleyicelandics.com/history.html The Icelandic Horse can without problem carry a person up to 300 lbs. http://www.horse-sense.org. If you were to tour Iceland and wanted to ride an Icelandic horse, you would be able to do it - the horse-tour facility I've heard about has a rider weight limit of 280 pounds. http://www.ridingholidays.com/canada_british-columbia.htm These small but strong horses can easily carry a rider up to 200 lbs. Rides will be 4 to 5 hours daily. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] me and a celebrity
Extremely cool picture! Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] The Nature of Icelandics
On 7/31/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: He sees me coming and gallops in himself thankyou, goes straight to his feed bucket like i dont need no woman telling me what to do :) lord, he'll probably live forever now. he eats like a horse. or three horses, just to maintain his trim 300 pounds underweightedness.. Janice, My hard keeper, not that old or underweight, but still a hard keeper, looks the best he ever has on about 3 lbs of Purina Ultium. Pricey stuff, but the oil and beet pulp in it, I think helps a lot. He doesn't like to eat a lot so I had to get as many calories with the least amount of bulk. Sounds like he's enjoying his life. Anna
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
Okay Lori, since it's confession time, Twist is also quite barn sour, a first for me - ever. He will leave the farm with another horse, but puts up quite a struggle if he's by himself. When I first started riding him, he was down right dangerous when going back to the barn, but he has calmed down about that. I didn't do anything, except relax and do little corrections when he started to get very foolish. As for fixing it, when my daughter owned Twist, she read an article that suggested making going out very VERY pleasant and making arriving back at the barn less pleasant. The writer suggested bringing the horse back and tying him up for an hour or so, the suggestion being that he wouldn't be real excited about getting home. I have not done this. Twist has had a tough life. He doesn't need any more bad stuff happening to him. I rode with a girl recently who said they haul out so that their barn sour horses aren't a problem. I did think about planting a treat half way up a trail for Twist to discover. The writer of the article suggested stopping and grazing and resting in the shade and petting ... anything to make being away from the barn attractive. Nancy
[IceHorses] Driving
For anyone interested in driving their horses, I just purchased a book called, Farming with Horses by Steve Bowers and Marlen Steward. My initial skim through the book shows that it has some common sense information not found in some of the books I have on driving. With my August Equus in hand and a comfortable reading afternoon ahead. Wanda
[IceHorses] Liz clinic pics
here are pics, just some of them, that my husband took at last years Liz clinic in Wingate NC. http://affiliate.kickapps.com/6211/Janice1117 janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
On 31/07/07, Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I love Dagur but he has one fault. He is so barn sour. It is a battle to ride him from the corral. I have never had that problem before. Hi Lori, if it were me dealing with this and I have no experience with a barn sour horse (touching toe to wood as I say this)...but logically thinking it through I think I would walk out first by myself and place his favorite treat at strategic locations along the trail. Then I would hand walk him along the trail and guide him to discovering the treats. When I had hand walked him in this manner enough that I could tell he was anticipating the treat, then I would get on and ride him at that point. Then down the line, if he felt he needed a treat at a certain point, I'd treat him from the saddle and continue on our way... When training who ever around here, what ever 'battle' I see coming I try to divert their attention to something else...make everything a non-issue, and make life fun for both of you. What ever you decide to do...tell us what you did and whether it worked or not. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] A picture for Wanda
ACK! Don't remind me of snow! It may be hotter then heck but I prefer that to snow! Hubby was even saying that he'd love to move south every winter--find a little farm somewhere warm Boy, not me! I'll take snow/cold over hotsy hot anyday! Nice pic btw Karen! Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
On 7/31/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: even if a horse can carry 300 pounds, and even if they could carry it all day without harm, i KNOW most cannot ride balanced at that weight. I was thinking this too. I know of a couple very heavy riders who are good riders, but can they truly stay balanced at that size? 300# is damn heavy! Robyn S.
Re: [IceHorses] Weight-Carrying Ability
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:44:16PM -0600, Robyn Schulze wrote: I was thinking this too. I know of a couple very heavy riders who are good riders, but can they truly stay balanced at that size? 300# is damn heavy! as someone who practices aikido with some very large folks, i think i can give this an unqualified yes. balance is only tangentially related to size. i mean, stjarni's over a thousand pounds, and i don't think anyone would question *his* ability to be balanced...if he's not, it's just something to work on. --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] The Nature of Icelandics
My hard keeper, not that old or underweight, but still a hard keeper, looks the best he ever has on about 3 lbs of Purina Ultium. Pricey stuff, but the oil and beet pulp in it, I think helps a lot. He doesn't like to eat a lot so I had to get as many calories with the least amount of bulk. Sounds like he's enjoying his life. We have a friend who has a similar old gelding and we are in competition to see who can fatten the horse fastest :) He is doing so much better than me... but doing so much. I want to do one thing at a time so I know which one is doing the job. I am doing weight builder and strategy now, with not much success except he is shiney, feels better and is not colicky anymore knock on wood. Our friends horse is on ultium, a pound twice a day added to equine senior. He has put on about fifty pounds this month. When the weight builder runs out i am going to feed the same amount of strategy and add ultium. But isnt a pound twice a day a lot?? Most people say they just add a little scoop or two?? I have tried beet pulp and strategy, no weight gain. Janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] A picture for Wanda
On 31/07/07, Robyn Schulze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy, not me! I'll take snow/cold over hotsy hot anyday! Nice pic btw Karen! Robyn S Me too. We did a lot of training this past winter until the snow got too deep... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] me and a celebrity
I wish people would take off their hats/helmets when taking stationary pictures. As it is, all you can see is the tip of their noses and their mouths, etc. Your would never recognize them if you saw them on the street. What is the point of taking pictures when you cannot see their faces? One pet-peave of mine with people in horsey pictures. And if the horse gets stung by a bee that happens to be hanging around, unbeknownst to the rider? And then the horse flips out and bucks the rider (sans helmet) off? It's happened. (And btw, there is an odor about horses that honey bees don't like and don't tolerate, so don't ever ride near beehives) I'd rather have my face covered a bit in a picture than not have a face anymore. Just my 2cents. Robyn S.
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
i have to say i've personally heard the most of it (clearly marked as disinformation) on this list. I have been looking into Icelandics for about six months now and I visited many, many websites before finding Judy's site. About 99% of them had some qoute or another about the superiority of the Icelandic weight carrying ability. It usually ranges from 250 to 300 lbs. It was never clarified beyond that - that it only applies to certain builds and types within the breed etc. I am a fairly light weight rider so that never concerned me directly however I always thought it interesting that there was so much emphasis on it. It struck me that it was put out there to combat the American ideas about ponies - they are for children etc. But it did imply and on many cases state outright that they are stronger than other short horses (ponies).The pony stigma seems to be a real or perceived problem to overcome when promoting the breed. I have a hard time believing that they are some how stronger than other similarily built ponies around the globe. They are not mythical creatures after all! Mind you these were American breeders and importers of various ethnicities. I can't read Icelandic so I did not stay long on Icelandic sites although the pictures are pretty. But while on the topic of first impressions to someone getting to know the breed I was really turned off by the tons and tons of pictures and videos out there that promote the (for lack of a better word) show tolt. My husband was really horrified by the riding to be honest. He kept saying Why are they riding like that? Why is that horses neck and chest so over built? I am not interested in the show world of Icelandics and not interested in the type of riding that was so readily available and promoted on many breeder's websites. So unfortunately it was big turn off for me in the beginning. However, I had seen Icelandics in other contexts in Alexandra Kurland's videos and I did finally find Judy's site. I am not trying to prove or disprove any side of an argument but that particular tidbit is all over the web. I can only assume that it is a form of some information that was given to them by Icelandic importers but that is just an assumption! When your are selling to a country that thinks ponies are for children I think this claim would help to bolster your sales. I think applying logic and common sense to the situation would be better for the horse. And I agree! This whole weight carrying ability thing always struck me at sensationalism. In fact my board owner ( who knows nothing about Icelandics) - exclaimed aren't they small but very, very strong and can carry up to 300lbs! when I talked to her about my interest in the breed. Funny! Sarah Msla, MT
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 11:42:24AM -0700, Judy Ryder wrote: Here are several places where it has been repeated about the 250 lbs: http://www.3dranch.net/IcelandicHorses.html (breeders) An Icelandic Horse can easily carry a rider up to 250 lb. over great distances. i visited this site for a teaspoon of context. they also define tolt as running walk and various four-beat gaits (with which i agree and i know you do not), and call the horse bombproof. i am guessing they are overgeneralizing some, but sort of within what i think of as ordinary rhetoric (an icelandic horse probably can; i wouldn't put it past stjarni with proper conditioning.) http://www.gaitedhorses.net/BreedArticles/IceBreedDesc.htm (info from Lukka) same sentence. i didn't go to the site, but i figure it's a standard line. http://www.moondanceacres.com/FAQ.html (importers, breeders) Q. I'm a husky 220 lb, do you really think one of those little Icelandic horses can carry me? A. It is commonly said that the Icelandic Horse can carry up to 300 lb without problems. I am only comfortable saying this, when we talk about an individual horse that is physically built for weight carrying ability with strong bones, well muscled and compact, and if such horse is not expected to carry all that weight for many hours in challenging terrain. In Germany such horses are called weight carrier type. We have to be aware of the fact that not size, but conformation determines weight carrying ability. A strong back, loins and hind, paired with good muscling, strong joints and feet will make a much stronger horse that some of the lofty 16 hh thoroughbred type horses with weak backs and no substance. Some Icelandics are small and fineboned with weaker backs or loins, but the average Icelandic will be fine with weights of up to 250 lb if the Rider is balanced and the Saddle fits well. Just consider this - it is the only breed in Iceland, and the Icelandic people are generally tall and many men exceed six feet. The Icelandic Horse is very powerful for its size, has a very long stride and a proud bearing that makes it look much larger than it actually is. Small horses like the icelandic have a better ratio of calories to output and great stamina/willingness that will actually get you somewhere - they often are natural swimmers and have a lot of sense for the trail, they rarely spook and can also be your best buddy when you are not in the saddle. i think this answer sounds thorough and truthful, except that i can't speak for the average icelandic, not having such under my observation. stjarni's a big guy, but he does carry a 240# person over short distances with an unbalanced rider (though a well-fitting saddle) without issue. http://www.hiddentrails.com/canada/rt/bc-icelandics.htm#The_Icelandic_Horse These small but strong horses can easily carry a rider up to 250 lbs. http://www.hiddentrails.com/weight-trips.htm this is an equestrian-vacation site (as are several others quoted), and i presume they just mean they can provide horses suitable for such riders. did you mean to imply that weight-bearing icelandics don't exist? i'm confused... --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
On 7/31/07, sarah gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: i have to say i've personally heard the most of it (clearly marked as disinformation) on this list. I have been looking into Icelandics for about six months now and I visited many, many websites before finding Judy's site. Sarah, it's very refreshing to read a post from someon who is obviously researching and giving this a lot of thought. Good luck in your search for the right Icelandic! Robyn S
Re: [IceHorses] A picture for Wanda
From: Anneliese Virro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Come to Kentucky! It does snow once in a while but it melts quickly and spring is early and the fall is colorful and very pleasant and warm. Sounds lovely!! V _ Get Cultured With Arts Culture Festivals On Live Maps http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-cav=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010encType=1style=hFORM=SERNEP
Re: [IceHorses] me and a celebrity
On 31/07/07, Anneliese Virro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the point of taking pictures when you cannot see their faces? One pet-peave of mine with people in horsey pictures. But Anneliese...if I don't have my helmet or shades on I'm absolutely hideous. Hideous... I tell you... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
On Tue, Jul 31, 2007 at 01:58:59PM -0600, sarah gibson wrote: But it did imply and on many cases state outright that they are stronger than other short horses (ponies). i suspect this is true, relative to a lot of american ponies, which have been heavily influenced by breeds such as the welsh and pony of the americas -- both much lighter-boned than an icelandic (or for that matter a fjord, or several other european breeds much rarer this side of the antlantic.) tolt. My husband was really horrified by the riding to be honest. He kept saying Why are they riding like that? Why is that horses neck and chest so over built? my stjarni just happens to have a big neck and chest, even for an icelandic. (i think icelanders would refer to him as bull-built.) i shall refrain from asking after your husband's individual physique :) --vicka
Re: [IceHorses] Dapples
That is so pretty. I just came in from working with Yrsa (and it's hot - yuk!) . She is also dappling. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Finally a tack shed...
Well - I am jealous - especially that you can drive out from your place with a sleigh. I don't actually love snow, but I have always wanted a sleigh. I really can't justify owning one here in Southern Oregon. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Finally a tack shed...
Super, Wanda! Lucky! Don't be jealousof the fact that I'm getting a new tack shed OR that I have a husband that actually thought of it. ;) Of course, we HAVE to be! Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
On 31/07/07, sarah gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But while on the topic of first impressions to someone getting to know the breed I was really turned off by the tons and tons of pictures and videos out there that promote the (for lack of a better word) show tolt. My husband was really horrified by the riding to be honest. He kept saying Why are they riding like that? Why is that horses neck and chest so over built? Yes, I've had a few private discussions about that. I feel I'm always placed in a position of having to defend the breed when someone outside the Icelandic world wants to discuss the horses and their gaits. Especially if their only exposure has been the 'show' world. No...you don't have to ride that way, if your horse is naturally gaited...that gait will come bubbling out as the horse gains condition. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Blue Moon Cha-Cha
And bless you Judy for taking care of Blue Moon Cha Cha. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
It struck me that it was put out there to combat the American ideas about ponies - they are for children etc. The pony stigma seems to be a real or perceived problem to overcome when promoting the breed. I can understand that. But I think it might not have been a good thing to adamantly insist that it is NOT a pony. Honesty would be better. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
YES, SO MANY YOU SEE ARE EWE NECKED FROM BEING FORCED INTO AN UNNATURAL POSITION. oh. i did not mean to have on caps :) janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
--- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: for stjarni (who isn't barn sour at all) the chance to stop and graze for a few minutes out on the trail seems to make him all kinds of happy thank you very much. That's an idea. Happy Trails from Lori Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
[IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
--- In IceHorses@yahoogroups.com, sarah gibson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In fact my board owner ( who knows nothing about Icelandics) - exclaimed aren't they small but very, very strong and can carry up to 300lbs! when I talked to her about my interest in the breed. Funny! Sarah Msla, MT That is a little scary! I don't think my little guys could comfortably carry nearly 300lbs. My guys are on the smaller side for Icelandics, maybe 12.2, but stout. I think that would be way too much. Kim
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
I can understand that. But I think it might not have been a good thing to adamantly insist that it is NOT a pony. Honesty would be better. Judy yeah, its like admitting the truth is the first step... like we should go ahead and all admit we are old women riding ponies and get over it :) Janice -- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
. Was Scooter also like that previously? The girl said he was barn sour. But I didn't know it was this bad. He just needs to get use to me also. I know that. We will get through it. It will help when Kevin rides with me. We have different days off for now and it is so dang hot. Happy Trails from Lori Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
RE: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
I will send you a pdf of an article about dealing with barnsour horses. Hope it helps. Robyn Thanks Robyn. That makes sense. Getting off sounds good. It is hard to mount him because he is so round. I will try the carrot thing. Happy Trails from Lori Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. http://get.games.yahoo.com/proddesc?gamekey=monopolyherenow
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
Weight-Carrying Ability I would think it is alot to do with the condition the horse is in. Some of the smallest, littliest people are very very strong. Depends how much conditioning etc. A smaller framed horse might do great if it has been conditioned properly. Making his back, legs, everything stronger and able to carry more weight. How much time, as my son would say has he been in the WEIGHT ROOM!!!
Re: [IceHorses] The Nature of Icelandics
On 7/31/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When the weight builder runs out i am going to feed the same amount of strategy and add ultium. But isnt a pound twice a day a lot?? Most people say they just add a little scoop or two?? I have tried beet pulp and strategy, no weight gain. I had him on Strategy and gradually switched over to Ultium. Gradually increased the Ultium. Look on the bag. It tells more about the amounts given, but I got him up to 6 heaping cups which is pretty close to 3 lbs twice a day. He was on more strategy than that, forget the amounts, but also got beet pulp and alflalfa pellets. Now just the Ultium. Anna
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
What ever you decide to do...tell us what you did and whether it worked or not. Wanda Thanks Wanda. Getting on is hard with a treeless saddle even with him being short. Hopefully I can find a rock. He is very round Happy Trails from Lori Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. http://mobile.yahoo.com/go?refer=1GNXIC
Re: [IceHorses] Dapples
--- Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Solon is developing dapples. Wanda OOhhh. Pretty Happy Trails from Lori Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
--- Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay Lori, since it's confession time, Twist is also quite barn sour, a first for me - ever. Thanks alot for the advice. I usually trailer out too but I don't want to have to. I may have to lead him some at first and plant some treats. I can't be real consistant until it cools down though. Happy Trails from Lori Be a better Heartthrob. Get better relationship answers from someone who knows. Yahoo! Answers - Check it out. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396545433
Re: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
I just got this mental image of Yrsa sagging in the middle with a 300 lb man balanced (or not balanced) on her little back. Tosca actually looks like she might be good for 300 lbs. She's a tank. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] barn sour Dagur
I was interested in the getting off method. I always felt like that was allowing the horse to be the leader. Twisty has no problem with being led out from the barn. He also refused to go up a very steep hill. Poor horse. I wasn't willing to walk up it, so I made him. One wonders if that even makes sense. I played with him some this morning. I think he's my therapy horse. He's absolutely bomb proof, prefers never to get out of a flat walk and will follow me anywhere without a lead. I practiced swinging my arms around and flopping around on his back (sounds cruel, but Stephanie has athetoid CP). He's our guy. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Dagur in braids
He's so cute! Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] Dagur in braids
From: Lorraine [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dagur loves to use his tongue alot. LOL Too cute!! V _ Show Your Messenger Buddies How You Really Feel http://www.freemessengeremoticons.ca/?icid=EMENCA122
Re: [IceHorses] Finally a tack shed...
why should I be jealous... I keep my feed in an actual cotton candy stand with some litebulbs still there around the edge of the pink roof and an ancient placard of a cone of cotton candy faded and warped still attached to the exterior. Its about 8X10. I feel only pity for you people with your fancy schmancy buildings. I own a piece of actual redneck riviera history! it has dirt dobbers inside the doorway but I cant remove them because my husbands allergic and i'm hoping he'll get tagged. HA (but i cant say the snow cone stand was my husbands idea, it was there when we got the place.so you beat me there) janice-- yipie tie yie yo
Re: [IceHorses] Dapples
From: Nancy Sturm [EMAIL PROTECTED] She is also dappling. What causes the dappling to appear? V _ See Fireworks On Live Image Search http://search.live.com/images/results.aspx?q=Fireworksmkt=en-caFORM=SERNEP
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
From: Kim Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] That is a little scary! I don't think my little guys could comfortably carry nearly 300lbs. My guys are on the smaller side for Icelandics, maybe 12.2, but stout. I think that would be way too much. Our Gat is 12.2 and I feel too big for her (I'm 120 lbs 5'4) -- my daughter, Alex laughs when I ride Gat and says I look funny cuz I'm too big. V _ Reconnect with Familiar Faces with Windows Live Spaces http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca
RE: [IceHorses] House Guest
From: Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] This little black and white pinto mare is visiting us for a month or so. Aww, I love her!! V _ Windows Live Hotmail is the next generation of MSN Hotmail. Its fast, simple, and safer than ever and best of all its still free. Try it today! www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA146 The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Finally a tack shed...
From: Wanda Lauscher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Don't be jealousof the fact that I'm getting a new tack shed OR that I have a husband that actually thought of it. ;) My husband gets lots of 'thoughts' -- I just wish he'd act on them!! LOL Lucky you! V _ Put Your Face In Your Space with Windows Live Spaces http://spaces.live.com/?mkt=en-ca
Re: [IceHorses] Finally a tack shed...
On 31/07/07, Janice McDonald [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: why should I be jealous... I keep my feed in an actual cotton candy stand with some litebulbs still there around the edge of the pink roof and an ancient placard of a cone of cotton candy faded and warped still attached to the exterior. Its about 8X10. I feel only pity for you people with your fancy schmancy buildings. Janice...always with the one-upping.. Why have we not seen pictures of this? My present tack shed is about an 8 x 12 and was a garden shed previously. There's oil stains on the floor from the previous owners lawn mower. With no bank of lightbulbs in sight... Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Finally a tack shed...
On 31/07/07, Virginia Tupper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My husband gets lots of 'thoughts' -- I just wish he'd act on them!! LOL Lucky you! V Well...we've been living out here for 8 years so it's time. Having an open foundation like that is just dangerous. Wanda
Re: [IceHorses] Finally a tack shed...
: why should I be jealous... I keep my feed in an actual cotton candy stand with some litebulbs We need photos! Ann
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Re: [IceHorses] House Guest
From: Judy Ryder [EMAIL PROTECTED] I put a few braids in her hair, at the top of her mane, since that part tends to flip onto the top of her head. Cute! From what I can see of her face she has a calm, pleasant eyeshe looks so sweet. V _ Get Cultured With Arts Culture Festivals On Live Maps http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-cav=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010encType=1style=hFORM=SERNEP
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
From: Kim Morton [EMAIL PROTECTED] I really doubt you are too big for Gat:) It doesn't sound like it! Well, Gat doesn't seem to labour when carrying me and her previous owner was about 5' 8 or thereabouts, though not heavier than 120 lbs. I think my daughter is just used to seeing adults on larger horses. V _ Get Cultured With Arts Culture Festivals On Live Maps http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-cav=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010encType=1style=hFORM=SERNEP
Re: [IceHorses] Another step in starting the mares...
I think I have always wanted a mare cause its the only thing I've never had, but I fear them :) They can be so witchy and make the geldings insane :) Janice Gat is the best, calmest, sweetest mare! I can never tell when she's in heat, I've never seen her act moody--she can be stubborn at times but nothing crazy or witchy. V _ Windows Live Hotmail. Even hotter than before. Get a better look now. www.newhotmail.ca?icid=WLHMENCA148
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
That is a little scary! I don't think my little guys could comfortably carry nearly 300lbs. My guys are on the smaller side for Icelandics, maybe 12.2, but stout. I think that would be way too much. Three hundred pounds is a lot of weight for any horse to carry. I think one way to think of it is by how much we can carry. There are certain weights I can strain and lift, but only for a few seconds, while less weight I can carry for longer periods. If you want to be literal, suspect most Icelandics can carry 300 pounds, but for some maybe only for a couple of minutes. I think it would take a LOT of gradual and systematic conditioning for most Icelandic's to carry 300 pounds for more than an hour or so. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM
Re: [IceHorses] House Guest
Cute! From what I can see of her face she has a calm, pleasant eyeshe looks so sweet. While I'm not really in a position to take any additional horses, when I saw her, and she was brought to me, she was not at all worried about the walker or the cast. She reached out to sniff them, as Charm does with things she doesn't know, so I thought I might be able to handle her OK for the time being. I did a little clicker with her today working on a smile. The camera was not in the right place to get a good video, but at least it's something: http://iceryder.net/videochachasmile.html Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
[IceHorses] Just curious
I write to this and I wonder if anyone ever sees it. Does anyone get these messages. So maybe it is just me. Please let me know if this is the right way to answer or make a topic or if I have to go thru the regular websight.
RE: [IceHorses] Riding Orri Gat
Anyways, I think from now on Alex and I both will ride the horses at the same time, taking turns with each, and then move on to riding with some of the other horses at the barn. Virginia, I love hearing about your and Alex progress with your horses. You are doing great, all four of you! Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
Well, Gat doesn't seem to labour when carrying me and her previous owner was about 5' 8 or thereabouts, though not heavier than 120 lbs. I think my daughter is just used to seeing adults on larger horses. I thought it looked funny too at first, but now I'm used to seeing 6'2 Cary on 13.3 1/2H Skjoni, and now that looks normal to me. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM The greatest enemy of the truth very often is not the lie- deliberate, contrived and dishonest -- but the myth -- persistent, persuasive and unrealistic. All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. ~ Arthur Schopenhauer [] The video every Icelandic Horse owner should have: http://IceHorses.net/video.html [] Lee Ziegler http://leeziegler.com [] Liz Graves http://lizgraves.com [] Lee's Book Easy Gaited Horses http://tinyurl.com/7vyjo [] IceHorses Map http://www.frappr.com/IceHorses [] IceHorses ToolBar http://iceryder.ourtoolbar.com/ Yahoo! Groups Links * To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/ * Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional * To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/IceHorses/join (Yahoo! ID required) * To change settings via email: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] * To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] * Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
RE: [IceHorses] Liz clinic pics
here are pics, just some of them, that my husband took at last years Liz clinic in Wingate NC. http://affiliate.kickapps.com/6211/Janice1117 Good pictures - and what fun that was! If anyone is interested, we will be repeating the clinic the first weekend in October. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM
RE: [IceHorses] Riding Orri Gat
From: Karen Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Virginia, I love hearing about your and Alex progress with your horses. You are doing great, all four of you! Thanks! Slow and steady. :D V _ Get Cultured With Arts Culture Festivals On Live Maps http://local.live.com/?mkt=en-cav=2cid=A6D6BDB4586E357F!2010encType=1style=hFORM=SERNEP
[IceHorses] Soreness
How can you tell if your horse is sore? With a stoic horse, how would you know if he is having problems with a saddle, a bit, his hoof trim, rider weight, etc.? Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
Re: [IceHorses] Just curious
I do. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Just curious
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Re: [IceHorses] Soreness
The easiest way for me is to put a heart monitor on him. I realize this isn't equipment that non-endurance riders actually have lying around, but if you know your horse's normal resting heart rate under various conditions and his heart rate is elevated, it is suggestive of pain. Nancy
RE: [IceHorses] A picture for Wanda
hey, i found my clinic pics!! Look at these, Melnir and another horse i took standing in the frost. I was AMAZED at frost in early november! This is karens pasture at the Liz clinic. That was an unusually cold weekend for the first of November. BTW, the picture you named 'Melnir' is Falki and the one you called you called Frost has Melnir in it. Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM
[IceHorses] Charm Running
Charm was running in the front pasture the other day, so I took a new video of that, and added it to the page: http://iceryder.net/charmcookierun.html It's the one at the bottom. Judy http://icehorses.net http://clickryder.com
RE: [IceHorses] Re: Weight-Carrying Ability
Sarah, it's very refreshing to read a post from someon who is obviously researching and giving this a lot of thought. Good luck in your search for the right Icelandic! Exactly! We're glad to have you on the list, Sarah. :) Karen Karen Thomas Wingate, NC No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.11.0/927 - Release Date: 7/30/2007 5:02 PM
Re: [IceHorses] Charm Running
She's very athletic. I don't think ours have done that much cantering total in the 8 months we've had them here.Of course, they do live on the side of a mountain. I'm about to move Tosca up the road a bit where Hunter boards so I'll have the benefit of a round pen and a riding arena. It looks like she will be sharing a large pen with Lina, our friends' Icelandic mare who has become very fat on very short irrigated pasture. Nancy
Re: [IceHorses] Soreness
How can you tell if your horse is sore? The way they walk, kind of ouchy like a person would be walking on stones if sore feet. The way they stand... I had a new mare leaning forward last winter.. her front feet weren't square under her. Since she was new to me, I wondered if it was just her conformation, but upon closer examination, I could see that her frogs were weak.. thin, narrow, and pealing. She stands square now and her frogs look much better, but is still ouchy on gravel. BTW, those weak frogs are like candida in people... a result of over-acidity caused by too much sugar/starch, antibiotics and chemicals and too little probiotics. Giving daily EM's, no grains, wild horse trimming and 24 hr turnout on varied terrain seems to be correcting her problem. Meg
[IceHorses] Re:Sensation For Sale
Sorry All, the saddle sold within minutes of my post on the Treeless Chat Group. I'll keep you posted if any others come up for sale. Kaaren
