Re: [ilugd] { Idea } Taking ScreenShot While installing Linux OS
2008/9/30 narendra sisodiya [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Can somebody make a script based on this command to take screenshot while installation of any Linux OS * Press Ctrl+Alt+F2 * mount a external drive or any unused partition * xwd -root | xwdtopnm | pnmtopng Screenshot1.png * You need to modify it for taking screenshot from command line, need to set display variable, from X it is working fine. * You may modify it for taking screenshot automatically . PS1: Do anybody has any wired thought for X screenrecording while installation, You may need to install packages to the running OS by which you are installing, debian-installer has such a thing built in. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#debian-instsaller-gui I haven't seen how it works under the hood, maybe same thing can be ported to other distros. Screencording might require much more efforts though.. -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] { Idea } Taking ScreenShot While installing Linux OS
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2008, narendra sisodiya wrote: [snip] PS1: Do anybody has any wired thought for X screenrecording while installation, You may need to install packages to the running OS by which you are installing, For base Linux installation for clients I take digicam photos at each prompt and put them into an OOo presentation with notes. Then I just hand the OOo doc over to my client as part of the consulting process so that s/he is independent of my skills. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Hi, --- On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:01 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | I actually find this kind of intra-community bickering in the Linux | community very disturbing. \-- It takes only two people to have a misunderstanding. --- | What is the problem with all you folks ? \-- Bickering exists everywhere. It is just that one doesn't get to hear them from the closed, proprietary development teams out in the open :) SK -- Shakthi Kannan http://www.shakthimaan.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
Hi Yatnatti, On face of it, I can see what your objection is. but brother, remember that since Linux is Open Source RedHat is bound to release the source codes of whatever they sell--- and if someone wants-- s/he can have/distribute for zero or very low price (even 1 cent) what RedHat sells for thousands of Dollars. It's true!!! That very same RedHat Linux OS is distributed free as CentOS (1-cent OS). A Suggestion: Brother, seems you have not yet you read the story of Don Quixote ? The guy who imagined WindMills to be Dragons, and actually went about getting hurt attacking windmills ??? Or is it that the agressive fighting spirit of Delhi-ites is so famous that you think you will try to provoke and excite us into going and fighting wars for free on your Behalf even against RedHat ??? Thanks for the compliment. However, unlike RedHat, whose OS can be sold for free, we publish a CD of incompetent companies which we distribute to many companies and from which make lot of money--- and which we distribute to many people making hiring/purchasing decisions-- to make them aware of useless and non-knowledge-able IT people--- and along with the name of the Elcott tutorial enthusiast, we have added your name and the name of your company to that list-- kindly send a unicast mail to know payment schedule to get your name removed from that list -N.S ps: part of this mail is light-hearted humour... go figure which part!!! and send me a note of thanks incase part of it is true/useful !!! On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Mon, Sep 29 2008, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD wrote: snip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] { Idea } Taking ScreenShot While installing Linux OS
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 14:25:47 narendra sisodiya wrote: debian-installer has such a thing built in. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#debian-instsaller-gui Cool, I was not aware of this fact, never noticed, ( as I am a fedora guy ) AFAIR, Anaconda has screenshot capability for quite a long time now. I can't locate the appropriate documentation right now, but there is a keyboard shortcut for it, I think. In fact, it even supports automated screenshot capability with kickstart which will take screenshots at every step. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart#Chapter_2._Kickstart_Options - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 06:18:32 Manoj Srivastava wrote: And Ubuntu's effort in feeding back patches to Debian have not really impressed the Debian developers that much (apart, perhaps, from those being paid by Mark). So, let me get this straight. You find the efforts of full-time dedicated Canonical staff contributing back to Debian ok. Your problem is with the *users* not contributing back to Debian? And that surprises you? Maybe you have forgotten the profile of end-users that current crop of Linux distros like Ubuntu, Fedora address. Debian requires non-trivial understanding of a desktop OS from it's users. So it's users are more likely to contribute back with quite some detail. The kind of interface that Ubuntu/Fedora is moving to, is precisely to remove that kind of technical expectation from the end users. Given that goal, it is but obvious that the kind of feedback you people will get will be less detailed. Take a look at the bugs of Ubuntu as compared to the bugs of Debian and you will find the difference. The bugs of Ubuntu are generally like this does not work! somebody please fix this!. The bugs of Debian are like this does not work! I looked here and there and this is what I found. Here is what you might be doing. It is a qualitative difference. And it is inevitable. That is what is going to happen when you take Linux to the masses. Face it! :) If you disagree and say you do not want such users, I am sorry, but you and I see different futures for Linux. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
Hi People... A QUick question; for some basics. Assume I have a ubuntu (or ubuntu studio) linux install. Also, assume that I have a JAR file--- in which there's a class exposing a main() function--- which runs perfectly-- on a system with latest JDK--- when I click the JAR file. How to create a 1-click installer OR web-installer for that ? Is there some script or package--- with which I can package it the way one packages MSI files on windows-- so that the script/installer copies the jar file into appropriate directories-- and creates desktop and Applications-menu shortcuts to the jar file ? Am just wondering, and my apologies in advance if this is a dumb question. Also, incase this question is answered earlier OR answered in a FAQ, I'd appreciate a link/pointer to the answer/FAQ, where this question was answered. Thanks in Anticipation and Regards, NS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 15:59:49 Nalin Savara wrote: Is there some script or package--- with which I can package it the way one packages MSI files on windows-- so that the script/installer copies the jar file into appropriate directories-- and creates desktop and Applications-menu shortcuts to the jar file ? Quite a few here. Some are Opensource. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_installation_software - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] In Debian Lenny, VLC can't play AVI
Hi Swapnil I recently installed Debian Lenny (network install), but I am unable to play DivX or avi files. It could play mpeg files though. AVI files play by default for vlc. There is however an issue with certain divx files (also real media files) whose support is an issue. Install w32codecs package from debian-multimedia.org and then totem should work for you for rest of the files. Ensure that you have removed the debian-multimedia.org (there is an issue with the newer libavcodec51 which breaks ffmpeg here. - assuming still not resolved - because of which certain formats may not play here. Ensure that newer package is not installed). Also, can someone please share his working source.list list for Lenny? deb http://ftp.debian.org/ lenny main contrib non-free deb-src http://ftp.debian.org/ lenny main contrib non-free # deb http://www.debian-multimedia.org/ lenny main Regards Gajendra ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi People... A QUick question; for some basics. Assume I have a ubuntu (or ubuntu studio) linux install. Also, assume that I have a JAR file--- in which there's a class exposing a main() function--- which runs perfectly-- on a system with latest JDK--- when I click the JAR file. How to create a 1-click installer OR web-installer for that ? Is there some script or package--- with which I can package it the way one packages MSI files on windows-- so that the script/installer copies the jar file into appropriate directories-- and creates desktop and Applications-menu shortcuts to the jar file ? I'm not sure if installation is any different for jar files, but if all you want is copying files around, creating shortcuts, (and running custom scripts during installation, e.g., to check for updates, fetch more files from internet, or open registration dialogues etc), for ubuntu you can use deb packages and for fedora/redhat u can use rpm packages. I don't have experience with creating an rpm package but did a few debs and they are quite simple to make and I guess there is something called alien which will let you convert these debs into other package formats and vice versa. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Debian archive mirror creation problem using anonftpsync script
Hi All I am trying to make a local debian archive mirror using the anonftpsync script got from http://www.debian.org/mirror/ftpmirror The exact script I am using for making the rsync mirror is given at end of post. It basically is expected to run rsync for whichever architectures I want. I just want the i386 and amd64 architectures to be mirrored. The script runs very slowly and later gives error and stops. This is the error I get:- contrib/n/netbeans-ide/netbeans-ide_6.0.1+dfsg-2_all.deb rsync: writefd_unbuffered failed to write 4092 bytes: phase unknown [generator]: Connection reset by peer (104) rsync error: error in rsync protocol data stream (code 12) at io.c(1099) rsync: connection unexpectedly closed (171375026 bytes received so far) [receiver] ERROR: Help, something weird happened rsync error: received SIGUSR1 or SIGINT (code 20) at main.c(997) mirroring /pool exited with exitcode 12 Request somebody to please help me out. (Mention any working scripts also if you have one). Regards Gajendra The anonftpsync file #! /bin/sh set -e # This script originates from http://www.debian.org/mirror/anonftpsync # CVS: cvs.debian.org:/cvs/webwml - webwml/english/mirror/anonftpsync # Version: $Id: anonftpsync,v 1.43 2008-06-15 18:16:04 spaillar Exp $ # Note: You MUST have rsync 2.6.4 or newer, which is available in sarge # and all newer Debian releases, or at http://rsync.samba.org/ # Don't forget: # chmod u+x anonftpsync # Set the variables below to fit your site. You can then use cron to have # this script run daily to automatically update your copy of the archive. # TO is the destination for the base of the Debian mirror directory # (the dir that holds dists/ and ls-lR). # (mandatory) TO=/var/www/pub/Linux/Debian/debrepo # RSYNC_HOST is the site you have chosen from the mirrors file. # (http://www.debian.org/mirror/list-full) # (mandatory) RSYNC_HOST=ftp.at.debian.org # RSYNC_DIR is the directory given in the Packages over rsync: line of # the mirrors file for the site you have chosen to mirror. # (mandatory) RSYNC_DIR=debian # LOGDIR is the directory where the logs will be written to # (mandatory) LOGDIR=/var/www/pub/Linux/Debian/deblog # ARCH_EXCLUDE can be used to exclude a complete architecture from # mirrorring. Please use as space seperated list. # Possible values are: # alpha, amd64, arm, armel, hppa, hurd-i386, i386, ia64, m68k, mipsel, mips, powerpc, s390, sh and sparc # # There is one special value: source # This is not an architecture but will exclude all source code in /pool # # eg. # ARCH_EXCLUDE=alpha arm armel hppa hurd-i386 ia64 m68k mipsel mips s390 sparc # # With a blank ARCH_EXCLUDE you will mirror all available architectures # (optional) ARCH_EXCLUDE=alpha arm armel hppa hurd-i386 ia64 m68k mipsel mips s390 sparc sh powerpc # EXCLUDE is a list of parameters listing patterns that rsync will exclude, in # addition to the architectures excluded by ARCH_EXCLUDE. # # Use ARCH_EXCLUDE to exclude specific architectures or all sources # # --exclude stable, testing, unstable options DON'T remove the packages of # the given distribution. If you want do so, use debmirror instead. # # The following example would exclude mostly everything: #EXCLUDE=\ # --exclude stable/ --exclude testing/ --exclude unstable/ \ # --exclude source/ \ # --exclude *.orig.tar.gz --exclude *.diff.gz --exclude *.dsc \ # --exclude /contrib/ --exclude /non-free/ \ # # With a blank EXCLUDE you will mirror the entire archive, except the # architectures excluded by ARCH_EXCLUDE. # (optional) EXCLUDE= # MAILTO is the address to send logfiles to; # if it is not defined, no mail will be sent # (optional) MAILTO= # LOCK_TIMEOUT is a timeout in minutes. Defaults to 360 (6 hours). # This program creates a lock to ensure that only one copy # of it is mirroring any one archive at any one time. # Locks held for longer than the timeout are broken, unless # a running rsync process appears to be connected to $RSYNC_HOST. LOCK_TIMEOUT=360 # You may establish the connection via a web proxy by setting the environment # variable RSYNC_PROXY to a hostname:port pair pointing to your web proxy. Note # that your web proxy's configuration must support proxy connections to port 873. # # RSYNC_PROXY=IP:PORT # export RSYNC_PROXY=$RSYNC_PROXY # There should be no need to edit anything below this point, unless there # are problems. #-# # If you are accessing a rsync server/module which is password-protected, # uncomment the following lines (and edit the other file). # . ftpsync.conf # export RSYNC_PASSWORD # [EMAIL PROTECTED] #-# # Check for some environment variables if [ -z $TO ] || [ -z $RSYNC_HOST ] || [ -z $RSYNC_DIR ] || [ -z $LOGDIR ]; then echo One of the following
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: As far as being a good FOSS citizen, I have always believed that helping fixing bugs upstream is better than having distro specific patches. I must admit, I cannot say how well Ubuntu does in this regard, however I have seen many launchpad bugs referencing the fact that a bug has been filed upstream. Unless I see proper data (and not merely opinions/hunches misrepresented as facts) as to whether the Ubuntu's community has not helped in fixing these bugs (and not merely reporting them - which isn't bad per se), (Sorry for repeating this in another LUG mailing list, but just to keep the facts right) What Launchpad does has is a feature to mark bugs with related bugs filed in the upstream bugzilla and a feature to find bugs which needs reporting in the upstream bugzilla. Though this provides the ability for Ubuntu devels and package maintainers to keep track of upstream development, as far as my experience with Bugs and Launchpad are considered, this doesn't ensure that when a bug is fixed in LP/Ubuntu, the upstream also gets the patch for the same. It requires either the patch submitter, or the triager, or the maintainer, or the devel to go to upstream bugzilla and file the same patch for the bug there. If the maintainer is same in both Upstream and Ubuntu, which is not very common one, then he/she takes care of patching at both places. Else, it is the responsibility of one of the above mentioned list of people to do the job of filing patches upstream and following it up. Considering the number of bugs being referred upstream and the number of bugs that require upstream reporting and followup, the current availability of people to work on such cases is very less. Hence, there is a huge possibility of Ubuntu patches getting missed from moving to upstream. But I somewhere smell that the process of reporting downstream patches to upstream is also on the cards in the next list of development for LP. But as LP by itself is a question of debate, unfortunately, I will not put my hands into it now ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] { Idea } Taking ScreenShot While installing Linux OS
Hi, Install vmware or virtual box in your host..Then using the virtualbox install the operating system(guest) you want to take screenshotWhile installing just take screenshot from your host operating system..If you want to live capture use camstudio2.0 (its a freesoftware) incase of windows hosts.. download it from here camstudio oss versionhttp://www.irongeek.com/CamStudioOSS/camstudiosetup20.zip On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:16 PM, Sandip Bhattacharya [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 14:25:47 narendra sisodiya wrote: debian-installer has such a thing built in. http://wiki.debian.org/ScreenShots#debian-instsaller-gui Cool, I was not aware of this fact, never noticed, ( as I am a fedora guy ) AFAIR, Anaconda has screenshot capability for quite a long time now. I can't locate the appropriate documentation right now, but there is a keyboard shortcut for it, I think. In fact, it even supports automated screenshot capability with kickstart which will take screenshots at every step. http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Anaconda/Kickstart#Chapter_2._Kickstart_Options - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
I read some where in the internet that, canonical is not contributing back to its mother distribution debian. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: As far as being a good FOSS citizen, I have always believed that helping fixing bugs upstream is better than having distro specific patches. I must admit, I cannot say how well Ubuntu does in this regard, however I have seen many launchpad bugs referencing the fact that a bug has been filed upstream. Unless I see proper data (and not merely opinions/hunches misrepresented as facts) as to whether the Ubuntu's community has not helped in fixing these bugs (and not merely reporting them - which isn't bad per se), (Sorry for repeating this in another LUG mailing list, but just to keep the facts right) What Launchpad does has is a feature to mark bugs with related bugs filed in the upstream bugzilla and a feature to find bugs which needs reporting in the upstream bugzilla. Though this provides the ability for Ubuntu devels and package maintainers to keep track of upstream development, as far as my experience with Bugs and Launchpad are considered, this doesn't ensure that when a bug is fixed in LP/Ubuntu, the upstream also gets the patch for the same. It requires either the patch submitter, or the triager, or the maintainer, or the devel to go to upstream bugzilla and file the same patch for the bug there. If the maintainer is same in both Upstream and Ubuntu, which is not very common one, then he/she takes care of patching at both places. Else, it is the responsibility of one of the above mentioned list of people to do the job of filing patches upstream and following it up. Considering the number of bugs being referred upstream and the number of bugs that require upstream reporting and followup, the current availability of people to work on such cases is very less. Hence, there is a huge possibility of Ubuntu patches getting missed from moving to upstream. But I somewhere smell that the process of reporting downstream patches to upstream is also on the cards in the next list of development for LP. But as LP by itself is a question of debate, unfortunately, I will not put my hands into it now ;) -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
You have created an application in java and combined all the classes to create a jar file..If you double click it the application is working well and good... Now you want to create a installer or something for that jar file so that it creates application short cut on the desktop and add application menu entries...is that your question? On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 2:27 PM, shantanu goel [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi People... A QUick question; for some basics. Assume I have a ubuntu (or ubuntu studio) linux install. Also, assume that I have a JAR file--- in which there's a class exposing a main() function--- which runs perfectly-- on a system with latest JDK--- when I click the JAR file. How to create a 1click installer OR web-installer for that ? Is there some script or package--- with which I can package it the way one packages MSI files on windows-- so that the script/installer copies the jar file into appropriate directories-- and creates desktop and Applications-menu shortcuts to the jar file ? I'm not sure if installation is any different for jar files, but if all you want is copying files around, creating shortcuts, (and running custom scripts during installation, e.g., to check for updates, fetch more files from internet, or open registration dialogues etc), for ubuntu you can use deb packages and for fedora/redhat u can use rpm packages. I don't have experience with creating an rpm package but did a few debs and they are quite simple to make and I guess there is something called alien which will let you convert these debs into other package formats and vice versa. -Shantz -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] LDAP Server
hi everyone
i have a problem with ldap serverconfiguration..
problem facing in the root.ldif file
after adding new entry: uid=root,ou=People,dc=example,dc=com
i.e. ldap_add: No such object (32)
==
file : root.ldif
==
dn: uid=root,ou=People,dc=example,dc=com
uid: root
cn: Manager
objectClass: account
objectClass: posixAccount
objectClass: top
objectClass: shadowAccount
userPassword: {crypt}$1$QUeb4.zs$L0H1pyol14nJ54bTQ6u.W0
shadowLastChange: 14152
shadowMax: 9
shadowWarning: 7
loginShell: /bin/bash
uidNumber: 0
gidNumber: 0
homeDirectory: /root
gecos: root
dn: uid=operator,ou=People,dc=example,dc=com
uid: operator
cn: operator
objectClass: account
objectClass: posixAccount
objectClass: top
objectClass: shadowAccount
userPassword: {crypt}*
shadowLastChange: 14152
shadowMax: 9
shadowWarning: 7
loginShell: /sbin/nologin
uidNumber: 11
gidNumber: 0
homeDirectory: /root
gecos: operator
==
in the slapd.conf file:
#
# See slapd.conf(5) for details on configuration options.
# This file should NOT be world readable.
#
include /etc/openldap/schema/core.schema
include /etc/openldap/schema/cosine.schema
include /etc/openldap/schema/inetorgperson.schema
include /etc/openldap/schema/nis.schema
include /etc/openldap/schema/openldap.schema
# Allow LDAPv2 client connections. This is NOT the default.
allow bind_v2
# Do not enable referrals until AFTER you have a working directory
# service AND an understanding of referrals.
#referral ldap://root.openldap.org
pidfile /var/run/openldap/slapd.pid
argsfile/var/run/openldap/slapd.args
# Load dynamic backend modules:
# modulepath/usr/lib/openldap
# moduleloadback_bdb.la
# moduleloadback_ldap.la
# moduleloadback_ldbm.la
# moduleloadback_passwd.la
# moduleloadback_shell.la
# The next three lines allow use of TLS for encrypting connections using a
# dummy test certificate which you can generate by changing to
# /etc/pki/tls/certs, running make slapd.pem, and fixing permissions on
# slapd.pem so that the ldap user or group can read it. Your client
software
# may balk at self-signed certificates, however.
# TLSCACertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/ca-bundle.crt
# TLSCertificateFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/slapd.pem
# TLSCertificateKeyFile /etc/pki/tls/certs/slapd.pem
# Sample security restrictions
# Require integrity protection (prevent hijacking)
# Require 112-bit (3DES or better) encryption for updates
# Require 63-bit encryption for simple bind
# security ssf=1 update_ssf=112 simple_bind=64
# Sample access control policy:
# Root DSE: allow anyone to read it
# Subschema (sub)entry DSE: allow anyone to read it
# Other DSEs:
# Allow self write access
# Allow authenticated users read access
# Allow anonymous users to authenticate
# Directives needed to implement policy:
# access to dn.base= by * read
# access to dn.base=cn=Subschema by * read
# access to *
# by self write
# by users read
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plz help me...
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Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Arun SAG wrote: I read some where in the internet that, canonical is not contributing back to its mother distribution debian. Leaving the debate whether the underlying accusation is true or false, please when you are making a statement do state the following, [1] completely describe what your statement means. not contributing back is a vague statement and doesn't mean anything in specific. [2] Backup your statement with proof, at least a link where you found the accusation to have been made. Otherwise making a vague statement based upon your memory to have read somewhere doesn't help much. Just my thoughts. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] What do you think about this blog ?
I came across this blog..What are your comments.. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ -- -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Arun SAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have created an application in java and combined all the classes to create a jar file..If you double click it the application is working well and good... Now you want to create a installer or something for that jar file so that it creates application short cut on the desktop and add application menu entries...is that your question? Yes Arun that is my question-- you have re-phrased it very accurately. I look forward to suggestions, snippets and discussion regarding the same from you also. Also, thanks Sandip, thanks Shantz-- the inputs are appreciated and I will explore the same, either tonight or tomorrow. Best Regards, Nalin On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Arun SAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You have created an application in java and combined all the classes to snip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] What do you think about this blog ?
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Arun SAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came across this blog..What are your comments.. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ This blog is very educative and it is a valuable resource in that it tells a person like me, the things a certain type of customer focuses on--- and what a certain class of customer's top complaints about the Linux OS are. Also, I appreciate this guy's sense of humour (Archives = Old Grudges) and his energy level (that he has the energy to dig around for common complaints and then verbalize and articulate them in a digestable way) Best Regards, NS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
yeah sure..sorry for that...By the way here is the link http://lwn.net/Articles/293906/ On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Parthan SR [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Arun SAG wrote: I read some where in the internet that, canonical is not contributing back to its mother distribution debian. Leaving the debate whether the underlying accusation is true or false, please when you are making a statement do state the following, [1] completely describe what your statement means. not contributing back is a vague statement and doesn't mean anything in specific. [2] Backup your statement with proof, at least a link where you found the accusation to have been made. Otherwise making a vague statement based upon your memory to have read somewhere doesn't help much. Just my thoughts. -- --- With Regards, Parthan technofreak gpg 2FF01026 blog http://blog.technofreak.in ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- -Fighting 4 Freedom- ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] What do you think about this blog ?
I think , 50% of our mailing topics can be discussed at debatepedia, for example like this - http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Debate:Open_source_software ;) Because of day by day increasing demand of debates on our mailing list, I will suggest, we should start using idebate for this purpose, or atleast have a try. But before that we need to have to debate. Should we use idebate, OR should we install/modify our ILUGD/anyother wiki for this purpose. ?? Apart of jokes, *this community* has very high potential of creating/maintaining a *foss debate* wiki, which will * guide/inspire/expire* many foss enthusiast around world. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:54 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 5:44 PM, Arun SAG [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I came across this blog..What are your comments.. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ This blog is very educative and it is a valuable resource in that it tells a person like me, the things a certain type of customer focuses on--- and what a certain class of customer's top complaints about the Linux OS are. Also, I appreciate this guy's sense of humour (Archives = Old Grudges) and his energy level (that he has the energy to dig around for common complaints and then verbalize and articulate them in a digestable way) Best Regards, NS ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/ -- ┌───[ Narendra Sisodiya ]──┐ │ http://narendra.techfandu.org │ http://www.lug-iitd.org │ http://twitter.com/eduvid └[ +91-93790-75930 ]──┘ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 03:57:44PM +0800, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 06:18:32 Manoj Srivastava wrote: And Ubuntu's effort in feeding back patches to Debian have not really impressed the Debian developers that much (apart, perhaps, from those being paid by Mark). So, let me get this straight. You find the efforts of full-time dedicated Canonical staff contributing back to Debian ok. Your problem is with the *users* not contributing back to Debian? And that surprises you? I think you are getting it wrong. It is just the maintainer should push back changes to upstream, whether it is the original software author, or even better, Debian, in this case. While Debian has set up some infractructure to take what is made available from Ubuntu (e.g. patches from Ubuntu are visible on Debian QA pages). However, it is just that they could be done better, and in a more proactive manner. For example, some Ubuntu maintainers (or whatever you call them) forward bugs in Ubuntu packages to the Debian packages' bug tracking system with patches, which is very much appreciated since things can be kept in sync more easily than using a monolithic patch from patches.ubuntu.com etc. Several Ubuntu contributors are also members of Debian packaging teams (e.g. Debian Python Teams) and keep their packages in both archives in sync. This takes them virtually no extra time and effort, and makes a larger number benefit. Kumar -- Kumar Appaiah ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] What do you think about this blog ?
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:14:50 Arun SAG wrote: I came across this blog..What are your comments.. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ I think it is quite an interesting perspective, presented in a ... uh ... very temperate manner. ;) Well, it would be good for the Linux community if it can handle some criticism. Besides for a change, the guy writing this is not just mouthing expletives but actually providing lots of references for what he believes in. I respect that. Interestingly, look at what he said about Greg's comment recently on Ubuntu which was discussed very recently on this list. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/2008/09/free-as-long-as-you-give-back.html (No images. But we warned, the text isn't work friendly) - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
[ilugd] Linux criticisms (was) Re: What do you think about this blog ?
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:14:50 Arun SAG wrote: I came across this blog..What are your comments.. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ With the help of the site above, I came across another - which seems quite a bit less foul and juvenile, and where the author somewhat knows more about what exactly the problem with Linux is. http://elliotth.blogspot.com/ In fact, I found this post quite a well written criticism of the problem with Linux desktop usability. http://elliotth.blogspot.com/2008/09/desktop-linux-suckage-wheres-our-steve.html - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] LDAP Server
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:12:50 tarun singhal wrote: problem facing in the root.ldif file after adding new entry: uid=root,ou=People,dc=example,dc=com i.e. ldap_add: No such object (32) == file : root.ldif == dn: uid=root,ou=People,dc=example,dc=com uid: root cn: Manager dn: uid=operator,ou=People,dc=example,dc=com uid: operator cn: operator objectClass: account objectClass: posixAccount objectClass: top objectClass: shadowAccount Has been years since I have touched this. Have you created the entries for dc=example,dc=com and ou=People, dc=example,dc=com before trying to add root.ldif? Take a look at the openldap tutorials (e.g. http://www.onlamp.com/pub/a/onlamp/2003/03/27/ldap_ab.html) to learn more about the actualy sequence for initializing the database. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:36:02 Arun SAG wrote: yeah sure..sorry for that...By the way here is the link http://lwn.net/Articles/293906/ Strange that you quote that article for the accusation about Ubuntu and the only takeaway that you had was that it is not contributing. Maybe you have not read the article in full, but it actually presents a quite well-balanced view on those accusations. I quote a snippet here: There is no doubt that Ubuntu could do better than it has. But we should not lose track of what Ubuntu has done. Ubuntu has created a distribution which appeals to a whole new class of Linux users. The fact that much of this work was done elsewhere notwithstanding, Ubuntu has shown that a Linux system can wear a friendlier, easier-to-use face. In the process, it has made Debian suitable for a larger class of users. Ubuntu has shown that a Debian-based distribution can make regular, stable releases and still ship contemporary software. Ubuntu has lived up to its promises of support, including providing top-quality security support. And all of this is happening in a way that, we are told, should become commercially self-sustaining at some point. - Sandip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 06:14:31 Manoj Srivastava wrote: I don't think that anyone is arguing that canonical, and ubuntu, do not provide a useful product, nor that the product they provide is popular. The point is whether they are good citizens in the free software community, and part of _that_ ethos is feeding user feedback (positive or negative), and code changes, back upstream. I can't say I am impressed by canonical's efforts in that arena. I don't see a reason why every company needs to contribute in the same point of an OS stack. There is nothing that requires it, no. But then, we are not talking about requirements, we are talking about whether Ubuntu fits into the free software ecosystem, instead of leeching off it. If the focus of Ubuntu is to build upon an existing OS stack and provide usability at the top most level - that is a compelling product strategy as well. Criticizing it for not contributing as well to the kernel is like saying LUGs don't serve a purpose because it's people don't send kernel patches. Neither one of them fit well into the role of contributing to the greater free software community. Which may be all right, sinc not everyone can be free software contributors. Also remember, that this is the only commercial backed distribution which is completely free - you cannot compare it with Redhat, Novell/SuSe, Linspire, etc. because they all work with a different business model. The intent is not to narrowly compare commercial free software; the idea is to see if Ubuntu does indeed fit the model of a good free software citizen. As far as being a good FOSS citizen, I have always believed that helping fixing bugs upstream is better than having distro specific patches. I must admit, I cannot say how well Ubuntu does in this regard, however I have seen many launchpad bugs referencing the fact that a bug has been filed upstream. Unless I see proper data (and not It does not too a very good job, on. Which is why Greg's talk was important; Debian developers have had a similar story, for years. merely opinions/hunches misrepresented as facts) as to whether the Ubuntu's community has not helped in fixing these bugs (and not merely reporting them - which isn't bad per se), I cannot accept that they haven't been of much help to the FOSS world. They do not report bugs, and they do not pass their fixes upstream -- which is worse. As a specific example, fixes to my code ought to being fed back to me (ucf, kernel-package, etc) -- just like I feed back changes to my upstream using _their_ preferred means of communications. The way things with changes are that if you make changes, you pass them to the upstream developer, using their preferred means of communication: that mean you use their mailing lists, their bug tracking system, rebasing the changes to hteir release, and not mixing in your own rebrancding changes or changes upstream made that you cherry picked into one giant diff kept behind a locked door in the basement with the words Beware of the leopard on the locked door. And as far as open sourcing of components like Launchpad is concerned - it is a branded service for goodness sake. Is it being distributed without source code? Yes. Launchpad is not free. Isn't there a commitment from Canonical to open source it? Why don't you go ask other companies provide online services to the community to open source their server software? Quite a few of those come to mind! All of the server software Debian uses to provide services (including debbugs) are free software. I actually find this kind of intra-community bickering in the Linux community very disturbing. What is the problem with all you folks ? It is just irksome to see Ubuntu claiming to be contributing fixes upstream when that happens not to be the truth. this is a Free Linux distro which has improved visibility of Linux in the OS market. This distro is on your side of the Free software revolution. It hasn't compromised Free principles like what Linspire did, and yet faces more widespread criticism from the FOSS community. What is it that truly disturbs you? That they lie about contributing back to Debian, hen they do not. manoj -- Tomorrow, you can be anywhere. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Parthan SR wrote: Arun SAG wrote: I read some where in the internet that, canonical is not contributing back to its mother distribution debian. Leaving the debate whether the underlying accusation is true or false, please when you are making a statement do state the following, [1] completely describe what your statement means. not contributing back is a vague statement and doesn't mean anything in specific. Ubuntu does not pass along user feedback (bug reports) etc to te Debian developers via the Debian BTS -- which is the tradition in the free software world; you communicate to upstream using their communication methods (like, kenel patches are to be sent to LKML). Second, they do not communicate their fixes back. Sure, their diff.gz can be found after a little effort, but it is one incoherent mess, with different changes, including branding, bug fixes, other changes that may or may not conform to policy, and even changes they cherry picked from upstream, all bundled into one big diff. No separating the patches, no rebasing off the most recent upstream release, no reporting it to upstream BTS. Is this specific enough for ya? [2] Backup your statement with proof, at least a link where you found the accusation to have been made. Can I say that I have been maintaining 40+ packages for Debian for about 13 years, and my experience count for something? Otherwise making a vague statement based upon your memory to have read somewhere doesn't help much. Hmm. Go look at my packages on the Debian BTS. And then go look at the same package in the Ubuntu tracker. See how none of the bug reports or fixes are passed long. -- The notion of a record is an obsolete remnant of the days of the 80-column card. -- Dennis M. Ritchie Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 06:18:32 Manoj Srivastava wrote: And Ubuntu's effort in feeding back patches to Debian have not really impressed the Debian developers that much (apart, perhaps, from those being paid by Mark). So, let me get this straight. You find the efforts of full-time dedicated Canonical staff contributing back to Debian ok. Your problem is with the *users* not contributing back to Debian? And that surprises you? No, I did not say that. Read what said. Some individual canonical employees, usually those who are also Debian developers, do contribute back. The efforts od most of the dedicated Canonical staff contributing back to Debian is pathetic. Canonical emplays about 120 people. The community (MOTUs, et al) range into hundred, perhaps thousands. They help create Ubuntu into what it is -- it is supposed to be community supported, right? That community has a piss-poor record of contributing back. manoj -- Wake up and don't be careless, but lead a life of well-doing. He who follows righteousness lives happily in this world and the next. 168 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: On Tuesday 30 September 2008 20:36:02 Arun SAG wrote: yeah sure..sorry for that...By the way here is the link http://lwn.net/Articles/293906/ Strange that you quote that article for the accusation about Ubuntu and the only takeaway that you had was that it is not contributing. Maybe you have not read the article in full, but it actually presents a quite well-balanced view on those accusations. Right. Ubuntu is popular. It has brought people into using Linux. It has a community that improves Ubuntu. It is a neat OS, that is user friendly. No dispute there. But popularity does not make for a good free software citizen -- it is, after all, something that requires you to improve not just your code, but help feed the changes upstream so _others_ also benefit. That is where Ubuntu fails. It is said that all the users are testing the software. What is the point of having testers when the benefit is not passed on upstream to benefit everyone? That is the critical point in Greg's talk. Ubuntu efforts benefit Ubuntu. They are not close source, but unlike the rest of the free software world, they make no effort to feed any changes back upstream. manoj -- Thus spake the master programmer: After three days without programming, life becomes meaningless. -- Geoffrey James, The Tao of Programming Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: There is nothing that requires it, no. But then, we are not talking about requirements, we are talking about whether Ubuntu fits into the free software ecosystem, instead of leeching off it. How you can define free software ecosystem as just developing and coding ?, I don`t really seems the point here, According to me Free Software Ecosystem is much much more than that. The intent is not to narrowly compare commercial free software; the idea is to see if Ubuntu does indeed fit the model of a good free software citizen. The level to which Ubuntu has brought Free OS I see at as a true Free sofware citizen. Please try coming out of *code* mentality and see more sight of a development ecosystem. They do not report bugs, and they do not pass their fixes upstream -- which is worse. As a specific example, fixes to my code ought to being fed back to me (ucf, kernel-package, etc) -- just like I feed back changes to my upstream using _their_ preferred means of communications. The way things with changes are that if you make changes, you pass them to the upstream developer, using their preferred means of communication: that mean you use their mailing lists, their bug tracking system, rebasing the changes to hteir release, and not mixing in your own rebrancding changes or changes upstream made that you cherry picked into one giant diff kept behind a locked door in the basement with the words Beware of the leopard on the locked door. Crazy idea , That means if i want to start a company or make a new OS , I need to go through 1000 bugzilla looking at bug fixes and putting my quality time there , Not practical Yes. Launchpad is not free. Can you download the propieratery distribution link of Launchpad ? Pass me the link if you find it Isn't there a commitment from Canonical to open source it? Why don't you go ask other companies provide online services to the community to open source their server software? Quite a few of those come to mind! All of the server software Debian uses to provide services (including debbugs) are free software. And that makes Ubuntu evil, Cmmon ! That they lie about contributing back to Debian, hen they do not. What makes you think that, Look at mark`s blog and you will find various posts explaining. Or look at mails above it`s well defined by Parthan -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] What do you think about this blog ?
narendra sisodiya wrote: I think , 50% of our mailing topics can be discussed at debatepedia, for example like this - http://wiki.idebate.org/index.php/Debate:Open_source_software ;) I had a look. The 'Yes' and 'No' tag on that requires ''inconvenient reformulation of possible questions''. The LQ approach (www.linuxquestions.org) can be modified for the purpose ... esp for longer debates. Because of day by day increasing demand of debates on our mailing list, I will suggest, we should start using idebate for this purpose, or atleast have a try. For non-digest subscribers, most mail clients can manage things nicely. The UI of idebate has not been sufficiently developed... it is too dumb. Best A. Mani -- A. Mani Member, Cal. Math. Soc ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is said that all the users are testing the software. What is the point of having testers when the benefit is not passed on upstream to benefit everyone? That is the critical point in Greg's talk. Ubuntu efforts benefit Ubuntu. They are not close source, but unlike the rest of the free software world, they make no effort to feed any changes back upstream. GPL doens`t says that when you use some code , Go spoonfeed the changes back to developers, The code is open all there , And the point made by canonical not to make it upstream for each project is valid and practical. No way some company go behind 1000`s bugzilla to track what`s happening -- Thanks and Regards Gaurav Mishra Linux User #348873 http://gauravmishra.info/blog When i can run , i will run , When i can walk , i will walk, When i can crawl , i will crawl. But i will not stop moving forward ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is said that all the users are testing the software. What is the point of having testers when the benefit is not passed on upstream to benefit everyone? That is the critical point in Greg's talk. Ubuntu efforts benefit Ubuntu. They are not close source, but unlike the rest of the free software world, they make no effort to feed any changes back upstream. GPL doens`t says that when you use some code , Go spoonfeed the changes back to developers, The code is open all there , And the point made by canonical not to make it upstream for each project is valid and practical. No way some company go behind 1000`s bugzilla to track what`s happening Yes, it is not a GPL requirement. What Ubuntu is doing is not illegal. It merely is the behaviour of a bad free software citizen. I think Redhat does a better job of feeding patches upstream -- I have seen things appear in PAM/OpenSSH that started their life as patches in the red hat CVS repo. Frankly, I do not buy the statement that Ubuntu can't do what Fedora does. I think perhaps it is to Ubuntu's competitive advantage to be the only distro with the fixes they create? manoj -- There are 3 kinds of people: those who can count those who can't. Unknown source Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Gaurav Mishra wrote: On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Sandip Bhattacharya wrote: There is nothing that requires it, no. But then, we are not talking about requirements, we are talking about whether Ubuntu fits into the free software ecosystem, instead of leeching off it. How you can define free software ecosystem as just developing and coding ?, I don`t really seems the point here, According to me Free Software Ecosystem is much much more than that. In that case, you have your own personal definition of what a free software community is. The FSF, Greg, Me, and Debian at large differ. The intent is not to narrowly compare commercial free software; the idea is to see if Ubuntu does indeed fit the model of a good free software citizen. The level to which Ubuntu has brought Free OS I see at as a true Free sofware citizen. Please try coming out of *code* mentality and see more sight of a development ecosystem. Without the Code mentality you have, as my NYC bretheren would phrase is, bupkiss. They do not report bugs, and they do not pass their fixes upstream -- which is worse. As a specific example, fixes to my code ought to being fed back to me (ucf, kernel-package, etc) -- just like I feed back changes to my upstream using _their_ preferred means of communications. The way things with changes are that if you make changes, you pass them to the upstream developer, using their preferred means of communication: that mean you use their mailing lists, their bug tracking system, rebasing the changes to hteir release, and not mixing in your own rebrancding changes or changes upstream made that you cherry picked into one giant diff kept behind a locked door in the basement with the words Beware of the leopard on the locked door. Crazy idea , That means if i want to start a company or make a new OS , I need to go through 1000 bugzilla looking at bug fixes and putting my quality time there , Not practical Only if you want to be a full memmber of the free software community. Not all of us put the love of money over the free software methodology, thankfully. Yes. Launchpad is not free. Can you download the propieratery distribution link of Launchpad ? Pass me the link if you find it Do your own goddam research. Look for tyhe license that launchpad is distributed under, and see if it is a free software license. Isn't there a commitment from Canonical to open source it? Why don't you go ask other companies provide online services to the community to open source their server software? Quite a few of those come to mind! All of the server software Debian uses to provide services (including debbugs) are free software. And that makes Ubuntu evil, Cmmon ! In some ways, yes. That they lie about contributing back to Debian, hen they do not. What makes you think that, Look at mark`s blog and you will find various posts explaining. Or look at mails above it`s well defined by Parthan Excuses aside, it is still not free software. Micorsoft has all kinds of reasons why Office is not free. I don't think the reasons are wrong, or insignificant. At the end of the day, non-fre software is non-fre software. manoj -- Turn on, tune up, rock out. Billy Gibbons Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Gaurav Mishra wrote: GPL doens`t says that when you use some code , Go spoonfeed the changes back to developers, The code is open all there , And the point made by canonical not to make it upstream for each project is valid and practical. No way some company go behind 1000`s bugzilla to track what`s happening Hmm...ok, for a moment step back from the 'Canonical doesn't contribute' line and associated blips to view the talk video at the point where Greg whiteboards the way things work. Pause it there. And, then ask yourself - if you were a consumer of a distribution and invest in stuff around it, how would you want your distribution to become a 'good citizen' ? This would be the third time (and possibly the last) that I'd be writing in about ignoring the 'Canonical' lines in Greg's talk and just think about the whiteboard (and perhaps do a quick read through producingoss.com) -- http://www.gutenberg.net - Fine literature digitally re-published http://www.plos.org - Public Library of Science http://www.creativecommons.org - Flexible copyright for creative work ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tuesday 30 Sep 2008, Manoj Srivastava wrote: [snip] Frankly, I do not buy the statement that Ubuntu can't do what Fedora does. I think perhaps it is to Ubuntu's competitive advantage to be the only distro with the fixes they create? Actually any distribution that doesn't feed patches back upstream (I'm not singling out Ubuntu here) is harming itself in the long run. If distribution FOO patches a specific bug in, say, Xorg but doesn't pass the patches back upstream, then eventually that bug is going to get fixed in base Xorg from somewhere else, in a different way. After a while FOO maintainers are going to find that their version of Xorg is widely divergent from the base Xorg, and each time they bring in a new package from upstream they're going to spend a few days hacking it to get it in sync with their version. My guess is that FOO would end up a bit like Winduhs -- poor quality shredded code all over the place, and users will get disgusted and walk away in any case. Regards, -- Raju -- Raj Mathur[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://kandalaya.org/ GPG: 78D4 FC67 367F 40E2 0DD5 0FEF C968 D0EF CC68 D17F PsyTrance Chill: http://schizoid.in/ || It is the mind that moves ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Nalin Savara [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Assume I have a ubuntu (or ubuntu studio) linux install. Also, assume that I have a JAR file--- in which there's a class exposing a main() function--- which runs perfectly-- on a system with latest JDK--- when I click the JAR file. How to create a 1-click installer OR web-installer for that ? A bit different answer but best way will be to create distro specific packages. So, you can use build.opensuse.org to do that thus have readily installable binaries for all distribution, a 1-click or 2-click installation depending on user's settings or sometimes no clicks, just commands :p ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Mehul Ved [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, you can use build.opensuse.org to do that thus have readily installable binaries for all distribution, Hi Mehul, Thanks. I did visit build.opensuse.org and read some pages on that site. Based on my first glance there are quite a few open loops in my understanding of the same. If you have used build.opensuse.org; then can you please take a moment to talk a bit about the steps you went through, to build a installer package and for which distro ? I would really appreciate that. Also, if there are some installer packages for some software you built for ubuntu (s/w you wrote, not standard linux packages)--- which you can talk about/share with me (installer packages only, not source code)--- I would appreciate that also. Thanks in Anticipation and Regards, NS ps: even I will try to collect my thoughts/doubts about openSuse build service; but meanwhile if you could drop a mail answering the above-- I would be really thankful. On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 10:00 PM, Mehul Ved [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Linux Software Installer Howto
I did visit build.opensuse.org and read some pages on that site. Based on my first glance there are quite a few open loops in my understanding of the same. If you have used build.opensuse.org; then can you please take a moment to talk a bit about the steps you went through, to build a installer package and for which distro ? I would really appreciate that. Also, if there are some installer packages for some software you built for ubuntu (s/w you wrote, not standard linux packages)--- which you can talk about/share with me (installer packages only, not source code)--- I would appreciate that also. Thanks in Anticipation and Regards, NS ps: even I will try to collect my thoughts/doubts about openSuse build service; but meanwhile if you could drop a mail answering the above-- I would be really thankful. Nalin, For ubuntu/debian and their derivative distros, there are quite a few docs on building deb packages on the ubuntu wiki, a simple search will lead u to them. However, the easiest way to get started (not that the manual way is any tough) to install checkinstall program in ubuntu. Create a makefile with install target and list out what actions you want. Then run checkinstall, fill in the menu driven form fields and voila! package is ready. (For example debs that i created, you can look at some of them in the downloads section on my tech blog, e.g. take a look at shantz-xwinwrap, splert, etc) -- I didn't do it, nobody saw me do it, U can't prove anything - Bart Simpson http://blog.shantanugoel.com http://tech.shantanugoel.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] What do you think about this blog ?
I came across this blog..What are your comments.. http://linuxhaters.blogspot.com/ I absolutely love this blog. Whoever is behind the blog actually knows what he's talking about. He's not a random cribbing user. It'd actually do the community a lot of good if we take the person's cribs as constructive criticism. -- Sharninder http://nomadicrider.com/ ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, 30 Sep 2008 09:41:05 -0500 Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] There is nothing that requires it, no. But then, we are not talking about requirements, we are talking about whether Ubuntu fits into the free software ecosystem, instead of leeching off it. [...] I did not want to get involved in this thread, as I have little direct knowledge of the topics being discussed. However, can I ask everyone who is against Ubuntu about their viewpoints on BossLinux? I do not mean to pick a fight here, but would really like to know what people think, and why. Regards, Gora ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
On Tue, Sep 30 2008, Gora Mohanty wrote: I did not want to get involved in this thread, as I have little direct knowledge of the topics being discussed. However, can I ask everyone who is against Ubuntu about their viewpoints on BossLinux? I do not mean to pick a fight here, but would really like to know what people think, and why. From what I am told (and yes, this is from a DD speaking on debian-installer mailing list), BOSS Linux started out with s/Debian/BOSS/g, but they missed a couple of places, and do not otherwise credit Debian in any way. The translatoin folks tell me that there have been no contributions from BOSS to the internationalization efforts for Debian. Again, a disclaimer: this is hearsay, and I have not personally looked at BOSS. manoj -- A lifetime isn't nearly long enough to figure out what it's all about. Manoj Srivastava [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.golden-gryphon.com/ 1024D/BF24424C print 4966 F272 D093 B493 410B 924B 21BA DABB BF24 424C ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Is it illegal to redistribute RHEL? Open Letter To Linux For You India print Magzine India
On Tue, Sep 30, 2008 at 9:47 AM, M.S.Yatnatti CEO KPN UNLIMITD [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Every Body, Could you dare to challenge if redhat puts its logo and art work at your property and products and claim trademark ownership rights ? in the similar way would you object redhat which has put its logo and art work in RHEL Linux distribution and claimed the trade mark product ownership in RHEL when redhat is not the owner of RHEL. and GPL is the owner ..Could you dare to challenge the redhat.Redhat inc is under attack from open source community . [snip] It is really unfortunate to know that people of CEO level are not able to understand the Trade Marks and Licenses. I think it is a need to educate people on IPRs in general, software licenses, copyrights and copylefts etc etc. It will be great if the upcoming events like FOSS.IN etc arrange some talks/discussions on the same. Looks like the OP is really troubled by RH. /me looking for event organisers. /me thinks if this is some publicity stunt for the websites mentioned in the posting, it is surely going to get some bad publicity. Regards -Sudhanwa ~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~!~~ www.sudhanwa.com ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
PJ wrote: how many open source projects have they been working on that are now gold ? So, ubuntu is not contributing back upstream into debian. ahem... well, the point was more about Canonical, not Ubuntu. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
Re: [ilugd] Canonical Not A Great Contributor
Manoj, Manoj Srivastava wrote: I don't agree to this point at all. Ubuntu is where it is because of it's community. Absolutely, and the technical community around Ubuntu is called Debian. And Ubuntu's effort in feeding back patches to Debian have not really impressed the Debian developers that much (apart, perhaps, from those being paid by Mark). that is indeed the point I was trying to make, but failed to be clear on. -- Karanbir Singh : http://www.karan.org/ : [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ ilugd mailinglist -- ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org http://frodo.hserus.net/mailman/listinfo/ilugd Archives at: http://news.gmane.org/gmane.user-groups.linux.delhi http://www.mail-archive.com/ilugd@lists.linux-delhi.org/
