Re: Digest for imaclist@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic

[Al Poulin]

Thank you very much, Bruce. I neglected to mention that there are three 
“baskets.” Two are Seagate Slims which I rotate for A storage at my son’s 
place. You’ve given me great ideas for rounding out my strategy.

Al Poulin

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> Al Poulin : Aug 19 04:42PM -0400 
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> I would like to reformat an external hard drive at the media level, hopefully 
> to salvage it for another few years. It contains three CCC volumes that I 
> want to safeguard. A fourth volume has corrupted files. What is the best 
> procedure? All volumes are formatted Journaled HFS Plus, NOT APFS.
>  
> As I understand it, Disk Utility First Aid 
>  
> I use Carbon Copy Cloner to backup four computers to the external drive as 
> bootable clones. Each CCC volume resides in its own partition. The volume for 
> my main computer has corrupted files which have not been resolved by 
> reformatting that volume singly with Disk Utility Erase and then cloning 
> anew. I want the clones to remain bootable.
>  
> Can I simply drag each volume to another media, to either my iMac’s internal 
> drive or another external drive? Would I need to create separate partitions 
> for each volume? Otherwise, should the volumes be set into disk images? 
> Bombich (CCC vendor) recommends using disk images “sparingly.” Then, would I 
> update each disk image in subsequent clones, or would I “Restore” each volume 
> to permit updating the clones?
>  
> Thanks for any guidance.
>  
> Al Poulin
> "Bruce Johnson" : Aug 19 09:02PM 
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> On Aug 19, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Al Poulin 
> mailto:alfred.pou...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>  
> I would like to reformat an external hard drive at the media level, hopefully 
> to salvage it for another few years. It contains three CCC volumes that I 
> want to safeguard. A fourth volume has corrupted files. What is the best 
> procedure? All volumes are formatted Journaled HFS Plus, NOT APFS.
>  
> As I understand it, Disk Utility First Aid
>  
> I use Carbon Copy Cloner to backup four computers to the external drive as 
> bootable clones. Each CCC volume resides in its own partition. The volume for 
> my main computer has corrupted files which have not been resolved by 
> reformatting that volume singly with Disk Utility Erase and then cloning 
> anew. I want the clones to remain bootable.
>  
> Having all the volumes on one physical disk is a ‘all your eggs in one 
> basket’ and that basket is starting to fall apart...file corruption that is 
> NOT fixed by fixed by reformatting and restoring a volume on a partition is 
> very often indicative of hardware failure impending. (unless the corrupted 
> files are ALSO corrupted on your main computer, in which case your backup is 
> faithfully doing it’s thing.)
>  
> What is cheaper to replace: a hard drive? or your data? That’s always the 
> most relevant question to ask in these cases.
>  
>  
> Can I simply drag each volume to another media, to either my iMac’s internal 
> drive or another external drive?
>  
> I would use CCC to copy each volume from the multi-partition drive to a new 
> HDD for each one. Ideally more than one copy, and then stored in separate 
> physical locations. If they’re small volumes, you can use SSD’s..ssd’s are 
> quite reliable now and if you’re backing up small volumes little ones are 
> pretty inexpensive. 120 gb ones can be had for around $20) Heck depending on 
> the size, you might get away with USB sticks…
>  
> For archival purposes SSDs are pretty good.
>  
> Would I need to create separate partitions for each volume? Otherwise, should 
> the volumes be set into disk images? Bombich (CCC vendor) recommends using 
> disk images “sparingly.” Then, would I update each disk image in subsequent 
> clones, or would I “Restore” each volume to permit updating the clones?
>  
> I would not use disk images.
>  
>  
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Re: Safeguarding Volumes

['Bruce Johnson' via iMac Group]

On Aug 19, 2021, at 1:42 PM, Al Poulin 
mailto:alfred.pou...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I would like to reformat an external hard drive at the media level, hopefully 
to salvage it for another few years. It contains three CCC volumes that I want 
to safeguard. A fourth volume has corrupted files. What is the best procedure? 
All volumes are formatted Journaled HFS Plus, NOT APFS.

As I understand it, Disk Utility First Aid

I use Carbon Copy Cloner to backup four computers to the external drive as 
bootable clones. Each CCC volume resides in its own partition. The volume for 
my main computer has corrupted files which have not been resolved by 
reformatting that volume singly with Disk Utility Erase and then cloning anew. 
I want the clones to remain bootable.

Having all the volumes on one physical disk is a ‘all your eggs in one basket’ 
and that basket is starting to fall apart...file corruption that is NOT fixed 
by fixed by reformatting and restoring a volume on a partition is very often 
indicative of hardware failure impending. (unless the corrupted files are ALSO 
corrupted on your main computer, in which case your backup is faithfully doing 
it’s thing.)

What is cheaper to replace: a hard drive? or your data? That’s always the most 
relevant question to ask in these cases.


Can I simply drag each volume to another media, to either my iMac’s internal 
drive or another external drive?

I would use CCC to copy each volume from the multi-partition drive to a new HDD 
for each one. Ideally more than one copy,  and then stored in separate physical 
locations. If they’re small volumes, you can use SSD’s..ssd’s are quite 
reliable now and if you’re backing up small volumes little ones are pretty 
inexpensive. 120 gb ones can be had for around $20) Heck depending on the size, 
you might get away with USB sticks…

For archival purposes SSDs are pretty good.

Would I need to create separate partitions for each volume? Otherwise, should 
the volumes be set into disk images? Bombich (CCC vendor) recommends using disk 
images “sparingly.” Then, would I update each disk image in subsequent clones, 
or would I “Restore” each volume to permit updating the clones?

I would not use disk images.



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Email issues (was Re: Big Sur crashes etc)

[Dan C]

Hi Michael,

What email app are you using?  IMAP or POP3 accounts?  How many accounts?

If IMAP on Apple Mail, try rebuilding the indices to your Inbox(s).  Do this 
by: Click the arrow to the left of Inbox so it shows the individual accounts.  
One at a time, right-click each of those account items selecting “Synchronize” 
from the pop-up menu.  Then … wait … for Mail to coordinate with the mail 
server.  Fwiw, last rebuild I did took about 20 mins for Mail to vomit the 
correct results.

HTH,
- Dan.

On Jul 1, 2021, at 09:26 PM, Michael Angell  wrote:
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> And I thot it was only y e-mail re-loading - constantly.
> 
> Michael Angell

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Re: Big Sur crashes etc

[Dan C]

Hi Bill!

FWIW, I’ve got a few friends on Big Sur that complain to me daily about system 
panics and such.  Heck, I’ve got some of the same types of problems on my home 
Mini (Catalina).

Please run Disk Utility on each disk volume/partition to make sure the file 
system is clean, then reset the nvram, and perhaps reduce the number of 
external devices and apps running all the time.

If that doesn’t improve things:

Provide a description of your environment… Stock iMac?  RAM?  Network setup?  
VPN?  etc

Maybe hit me off-list with a zipped system.log (be sure to tell me when the 
crash occurred).

- Dan.

On 05/11/2021 5:06 AM William Spencer  wrote:
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> Hi there: Ever since installing Big Sur/11.3/11.3.1, I have been having big 
> problems with the machine crashing and restarting randomly, taking forever to 
> shut down, refusing to shut down altogether, even spontaneously powering on 
> from being off. Anyone else seeing this behavior? Suggestions for how to deal 
> with it other than getting another drink and waiting for the next update? 
>  
> I’m also finding that Music and Podcasts are moody about synching with my 
> trusty old iPod Classic…I have to wait for the iPod to eject, then select it 
> again in Music before it fully syncs, and even then the podcasts don’t 
> necessarily always get synced—plus podcasts that I want to save don’t 
> necessarily get saved once they’re played. Annoying. 
> 
> *** 
> Bill Spencer in Maryland 
> Mac Mini (2014) 2.6 GHz i5/11.3.1

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Re: Big Sur crashes etc

[Michael Angell]

And I thot it was only y e-mail re-loading - constantly. As simply a user (and 
not a techie),  it's a ;puzzle too me, too. Let's keep in touch, as we may yet 
be the only ones suffering this aggravation. 

Michael Angell

> On 05/11/2021 5:06 AM William Spencer  wrote:
>  
>  
> Hi there: Ever since installing Big Sur/11.3/11.3.1, I have been having 
> big problems with the machine crashing and restarting randomly, taking 
> forever to shut down, refusing to shut down altogether, even spontaneously 
> powering on from being off. Anyone else seeing this behavior? Suggestions for 
> how to deal with it other than getting another drink and waiting for the next 
> update? 
>  
> I’m also finding that Music and Podcasts are moody about synching with my 
> trusty old iPod Classic…I have to wait for the iPod to eject, then select it 
> again in Music before it fully syncs, and even then the podcasts don’t 
> necessarily always get synced—plus podcasts that I want to save don’t 
> necessarily get saved once they’re played. Annoying.
>  
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> ***
> 
> Bill Spencer in Maryland
> Mac Mini (2014) 2.6 GHz i5/11.3.1
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Re: It rained on my three MacBooks!

[dreamed.r...@gmail.com]

These computers may still be salvageable. I am a repair tech, and I have 
saved many liquid damaged MacBooks from the recycling bin by disassembling 
the machine and running the Logic Board through an ultrasonic cleaner. I 
would recommend to find a local technician who has one of these machines 
and they may be able to help you.

Here is some more information about performing ultrasonic cleaning on 
electronics:

Crest Ultrasonics are a liquid damage tech's best friend:
https://store.rossmanngroup.com/crest-ultrasonic-cleaners/recommended-ultrasonic-cleaners.html

Crest Ultrasonic Cleaner performs miracle on little Macbook Air:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjUKFg7AGmQ

A good ultrasonic cleaner pays for itself:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EJXZJcR5N_g

On Friday, June 18, 2021 at 8:46:37 AM UTC-4 PaulBX wrote:

> IT RAINED ON MY THREE MACBOOKS!!
>
>
> I’m really devastated after a moment’s carelessness has resulted in all 
> three of my MacBooks getting soaked by rain! I’m so careful and keep 
> telling people never to put drinks on the same surface as a computer. I’ve 
> also read a lot about “liquid damage” on Apple products which makes me 
> think that they’re specially designed by Apple to be more sensitive to 
> liquids, to make them break down and try to get Apple users to buy new 
> ones. I can’t believe this has happened to me. I wouldn’t have had it 
> happen for the World, but unfortunately one thing changed in my home a few 
> days ago which has caused this. 
>
>
> I should explain that I’m living in a place with only skylights instead or 
> normal windows. They’re by a company called VELUX who I despise for making 
> them the way they are. I wasn’t able to open these until finally getting a 
> special pole designed for them, which arrived only a few days ago after 
> over ten months of living like that. This meant there was no real 
> ventilation and it felt fairly stuffy. I was also infested with small flies 
> which fly spray didn’t get rid of, so I also got a solid fly killer 
> containing Citronella, which I heard is banned from being advertised as an 
> insecticide, only as a perfume, so it sounded really good. It works, up to 
> a point!
>
>
> I was waiting five hours for an engineer to come and fix a problem with my 
> Broadband and phone. I had the  skylight in the living room open to 
> encourage the remaining flies to leave. During all that time, no one came! 
> I was sitting in a chair for most of the time, using one of my three Macs, 
> while the other two Macs were closed and on top of each other on another 
> chair. After all this, I felt like I needed to go and lie down in bed for a 
> little while.  
>
>
> I can’t remember how long I was lying in bed. I got up and went back into 
> the living room. When I arrived there, I got a big shock to see that it was 
> raining through the skylight! The MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 8Gb RAM) had been 
> soaked by rainwater and there was also rainwater on my MacBook Air (early 
> 2014), as well as on my other MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb RAM)! I was 
> shocked that I didn’t hear the rain falling onto the closed bedroom 
> skylight. 
>
>  
>
> I immediately took action by closing the living room skylight and placing 
> the Macs keyboards facing down onto the sofa. After this, I tried to turn 
> on each Mac and found out that only the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb 
> RAM) would turn on. This is what I’m using to type this now. 
>
>
> I recently bought lots of screwdrivers of various types to enable me to 
> unscrew all of my Macs and upgrade one of the MacBook Pro (mid 2012) 
> computers. Unfortunately, it seems that none of these screwdrivers will 
> work on the MacBook Air (early 2014) screws, so it looks like I’ll have to 
> go shopping locally for the right screwdriver tomorrow. I read it’s called 
> a Pentalobe P5, but I think this may also be another name for a type of hex 
> key.  
>
>
> The MacBook Air (early 2014) shows no sign of life and the charger light 
> doesn’t come on when plugged in. 
>
>
> I’ve unscrewed the bottom of the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 8Gb) and found 
> some water on the bottom of the Logic Board, which I’ve soaked up using 
> kitchen paper, but obviously there must be some more water inside this 
> computer on the other side of the Logic Board for it to get there in the 
> first place. 
>
>
> I really need some advice about what I can do to save at least one of my 
> two Macs that won’t currently turn on. I don’t think that the MacBook Pro 
> (mid 2012) model is supported for repairs by Apple any more. As for the 
> MacBook Air (early 2014), it officially runs Big Sur and I think it’s 
> supported by Apple for repairs, but I’ve heard a lot of horror stories 
> about this. I bought this MacBook Air for about $400, so I’m fairly sure 
> that an Apple repairer would charge me more than that to repair it. In that 
> case, it would be better just to buy another one from eBay. 
>
>
> While typing this message, 

Re: It rained on my three MacBooks!

[Valter Psicof]

>I waited just a few minutes before trying to turn them on.

I'm afraid that was a big mistake.
I'm sorry to be harsh, but... how do you think a few minutes were enought
to dry them?!?

>There was no sign of life, no sparks, no flames, nothing.

Most of computers' inner circuits work at or around 5V. That kind of power
doesn't make sparks or flames, but can be enough to fry a small IC or
diode.

>I keep trying to turn them on, with or without their chargers, but
>nothing happens. 

Again, bad. The more you put electricity into them before allowing TOTAL
dryness, the likelier is the damage.

I'm afraid the damage has been done now, but there's a little chance it
has not.
My advice would be this:
- Relax, breath, stop acting irrational ;-)
- Let the Macs alone, in a warm and ventilated room, with NO power and NO
batteries, with the lid open, for at least three days. This is true for
the working one too: there might be some water inside, and running it is
risky (not too great a chance, but I wouldn't risk it).
- Do something else.
If you really need to use a computer or access the Net, borrow a computer
from a friend or go to a public place letting you use one (like a library
or an Internet cafe).

>It has also decided to reboot by itself a few times.

That might be some water still inside it.

Again, when a computer get wet inside, the LAST thing you need to do is
power it up!


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Re: It rained on my three MacBooks!

[Paul Londoner]

I waited just a few minutes before trying to turn them on. There was no
sign of life, no sparks, no flames, nothing. It has now been over 24 hours
since this happened. I keep trying to turn them on, with or without their
chargers, but nothing happens. Meanwhile, the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 4Gb)
is still working and I can now do normal mouse clicks, but the keyboard
still doesn't work and I'm using a USB keyboard. It has also decided to
reboot by itself a few times. Before checking my email to see if anyone had
replied I even had problems turning this computer on!

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 21:26, Valter Psicof  wrote:

> Il giorno 18/06/21 14:46, "Paul Londoner"  behalf of paul.londo...@gmail.com> ha scritto:
>
> >I immediately took action by closing the living room skylight and placing
> >the Macs keyboards facing down onto the sofa. After this, I tried to turn
> >on each Mac and found out that only the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb
> >RAM) would turn on. This is what I¹m using to type this now.
>
> How long did you wait before turning them on?
> I think you should allow at least 2 to 3 days (in a warm ambient)...
>
> Water (inside a computer) is not so bad in itself (salt water would be
> worse, but rainwater should be clean enough)... if the computer is OFF.
> It's when you have water + electric energy that bad things happen!
> Hence if you didn't wait long enough, maybe that's what created the issue.
> Or, water got to the battery, and that would be bad enough in itself for
> the battery (but maybe not for the rest of circuits).
>
> I'm sorry I don't have specific help about this; never ever happened to me
> (but I only use desktops).
> Googling "water inside my PC / computer" should give you plenty of hints,
> since it happens to lot of people.
>
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Re: It rained on my three MacBooks!

[Paul Londoner]

Really? Do you work for Apple or something? If money was no object I would
buy a new MacBook or two. That's the whole point!

On Fri, 18 Jun 2021 at 14:04, Myles MacVane  wrote:

> The solution is simple: Buy a new MacBook!
>
> On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 8:46 AM Paul Londoner 
> wrote:
>
>> IT RAINED ON MY THREE MACBOOKS!!
>>
>>
>> I’m really devastated after a moment’s carelessness has resulted in all
>> three of my MacBooks getting soaked by rain! I’m so careful and keep
>> telling people never to put drinks on the same surface as a computer. I’ve
>> also read a lot about “liquid damage” on Apple products which makes me
>> think that they’re specially designed by Apple to be more sensitive to
>> liquids, to make them break down and try to get Apple users to buy new
>> ones. I can’t believe this has happened to me. I wouldn’t have had it
>> happen for the World, but unfortunately one thing changed in my home a few
>> days ago which has caused this.
>>
>>
>> I should explain that I’m living in a place with only skylights instead
>> or normal windows. They’re by a company called VELUX who I despise for
>> making them the way they are. I wasn’t able to open these until finally
>> getting a special pole designed for them, which arrived only a few days ago
>> after over ten months of living like that. This meant there was no real
>> ventilation and it felt fairly stuffy. I was also infested with small flies
>> which fly spray didn’t get rid of, so I also got a solid fly killer
>> containing Citronella, which I heard is banned from being advertised as an
>> insecticide, only as a perfume, so it sounded really good. It works, up to
>> a point!
>>
>>
>> I was waiting five hours for an engineer to come and fix a problem with
>> my Broadband and phone. I had the  skylight in the living room open to
>> encourage the remaining flies to leave. During all that time, no one came!
>> I was sitting in a chair for most of the time, using one of my three Macs,
>> while the other two Macs were closed and on top of each other on another
>> chair. After all this, I felt like I needed to go and lie down in bed for a
>> little while.
>>
>>
>> I can’t remember how long I was lying in bed. I got up and went back into
>> the living room. When I arrived there, I got a big shock to see that it was
>> raining through the skylight! The MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 8Gb RAM) had been
>> soaked by rainwater and there was also rainwater on my MacBook Air (early
>> 2014), as well as on my other MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb RAM)! I was
>> shocked that I didn’t hear the rain falling onto the closed bedroom
>> skylight.
>>
>>
>>
>> I immediately took action by closing the living room skylight and placing
>> the Macs keyboards facing down onto the sofa. After this, I tried to turn
>> on each Mac and found out that only the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb
>> RAM) would turn on. This is what I’m using to type this now.
>>
>>
>> I recently bought lots of screwdrivers of various types to enable me to
>> unscrew all of my Macs and upgrade one of the MacBook Pro (mid 2012)
>> computers. Unfortunately, it seems that none of these screwdrivers will
>> work on the MacBook Air (early 2014) screws, so it looks like I’ll have to
>> go shopping locally for the right screwdriver tomorrow. I read it’s called
>> a Pentalobe P5, but I think this may also be another name for a type of hex
>> key.
>>
>>
>> The MacBook Air (early 2014) shows no sign of life and the charger light
>> doesn’t come on when plugged in.
>>
>>
>> I’ve unscrewed the bottom of the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 8Gb) and found
>> some water on the bottom of the Logic Board, which I’ve soaked up using
>> kitchen paper, but obviously there must be some more water inside this
>> computer on the other side of the Logic Board for it to get there in the
>> first place.
>>
>>
>> I really need some advice about what I can do to save at least one of my
>> two Macs that won’t currently turn on. I don’t think that the MacBook Pro
>> (mid 2012) model is supported for repairs by Apple any more. As for the
>> MacBook Air (early 2014), it officially runs Big Sur and I think it’s
>> supported by Apple for repairs, but I’ve heard a lot of horror stories
>> about this. I bought this MacBook Air for about $400, so I’m fairly sure
>> that an Apple repairer would charge me more than that to repair it. In that
>> case, it would be better just to buy another one from eBay.
>>
>>
>> While typing this message, I’ve found out that there are problems with my
>> MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 4Gb). These problems are not only affecting the
>> built in keyboard and trackpad, but even a USB keyboard and a mouse I’ve
>> plugged in. Lots of keys on the lower row of the internal keyboard don’t
>> seem to be working and it now seems quite difficult just to click on
>> anything using the trackpad or even the USB mouse. A normal click usually
>> comes up as a right click! I’ve had to turn on Accessibility/Mouse Keys and
>> use the 5 key on my USB 

Re: It rained on my three MacBooks!

[Valter Psicof]

Il giorno 18/06/21 14:46, "Paul Londoner"  ha scritto:

>I immediately took action by closing the living room skylight and placing
>the Macs keyboards facing down onto the sofa. After this, I tried to turn
>on each Mac and found out that only the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb
>RAM) would turn on. This is what I¹m using to type this now.

How long did you wait before turning them on?
I think you should allow at least 2 to 3 days (in a warm ambient)...

Water (inside a computer) is not so bad in itself (salt water would be
worse, but rainwater should be clean enough)... if the computer is OFF.
It's when you have water + electric energy that bad things happen!
Hence if you didn't wait long enough, maybe that's what created the issue.
Or, water got to the battery, and that would be bad enough in itself for
the battery (but maybe not for the rest of circuits).

I'm sorry I don't have specific help about this; never ever happened to me
(but I only use desktops).
Googling "water inside my PC / computer" should give you plenty of hints,
since it happens to lot of people.


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Re: It rained on my three MacBooks!

[Myles MacVane]

The solution is simple: Buy a new MacBook!

On Fri, Jun 18, 2021 at 8:46 AM Paul Londoner 
wrote:

> IT RAINED ON MY THREE MACBOOKS!!
>
>
> I’m really devastated after a moment’s carelessness has resulted in all
> three of my MacBooks getting soaked by rain! I’m so careful and keep
> telling people never to put drinks on the same surface as a computer. I’ve
> also read a lot about “liquid damage” on Apple products which makes me
> think that they’re specially designed by Apple to be more sensitive to
> liquids, to make them break down and try to get Apple users to buy new
> ones. I can’t believe this has happened to me. I wouldn’t have had it
> happen for the World, but unfortunately one thing changed in my home a few
> days ago which has caused this.
>
>
> I should explain that I’m living in a place with only skylights instead or
> normal windows. They’re by a company called VELUX who I despise for making
> them the way they are. I wasn’t able to open these until finally getting a
> special pole designed for them, which arrived only a few days ago after
> over ten months of living like that. This meant there was no real
> ventilation and it felt fairly stuffy. I was also infested with small flies
> which fly spray didn’t get rid of, so I also got a solid fly killer
> containing Citronella, which I heard is banned from being advertised as an
> insecticide, only as a perfume, so it sounded really good. It works, up to
> a point!
>
>
> I was waiting five hours for an engineer to come and fix a problem with my
> Broadband and phone. I had the  skylight in the living room open to
> encourage the remaining flies to leave. During all that time, no one came!
> I was sitting in a chair for most of the time, using one of my three Macs,
> while the other two Macs were closed and on top of each other on another
> chair. After all this, I felt like I needed to go and lie down in bed for a
> little while.
>
>
> I can’t remember how long I was lying in bed. I got up and went back into
> the living room. When I arrived there, I got a big shock to see that it was
> raining through the skylight! The MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 8Gb RAM) had been
> soaked by rainwater and there was also rainwater on my MacBook Air (early
> 2014), as well as on my other MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb RAM)! I was
> shocked that I didn’t hear the rain falling onto the closed bedroom
> skylight.
>
>
>
> I immediately took action by closing the living room skylight and placing
> the Macs keyboards facing down onto the sofa. After this, I tried to turn
> on each Mac and found out that only the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, with 4Gb
> RAM) would turn on. This is what I’m using to type this now.
>
>
> I recently bought lots of screwdrivers of various types to enable me to
> unscrew all of my Macs and upgrade one of the MacBook Pro (mid 2012)
> computers. Unfortunately, it seems that none of these screwdrivers will
> work on the MacBook Air (early 2014) screws, so it looks like I’ll have to
> go shopping locally for the right screwdriver tomorrow. I read it’s called
> a Pentalobe P5, but I think this may also be another name for a type of hex
> key.
>
>
> The MacBook Air (early 2014) shows no sign of life and the charger light
> doesn’t come on when plugged in.
>
>
> I’ve unscrewed the bottom of the MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 8Gb) and found
> some water on the bottom of the Logic Board, which I’ve soaked up using
> kitchen paper, but obviously there must be some more water inside this
> computer on the other side of the Logic Board for it to get there in the
> first place.
>
>
> I really need some advice about what I can do to save at least one of my
> two Macs that won’t currently turn on. I don’t think that the MacBook Pro
> (mid 2012) model is supported for repairs by Apple any more. As for the
> MacBook Air (early 2014), it officially runs Big Sur and I think it’s
> supported by Apple for repairs, but I’ve heard a lot of horror stories
> about this. I bought this MacBook Air for about $400, so I’m fairly sure
> that an Apple repairer would charge me more than that to repair it. In that
> case, it would be better just to buy another one from eBay.
>
>
> While typing this message, I’ve found out that there are problems with my
> MacBook Pro (mid 2012, 4Gb). These problems are not only affecting the
> built in keyboard and trackpad, but even a USB keyboard and a mouse I’ve
> plugged in. Lots of keys on the lower row of the internal keyboard don’t
> seem to be working and it now seems quite difficult just to click on
> anything using the trackpad or even the USB mouse. A normal click usually
> comes up as a right click! I’ve had to turn on Accessibility/Mouse Keys and
> use the 5 key on my USB keyboard numeric keypad instead.
>
>
> I hope someone can help me! It was just a stupid mistake. Surely I haven’t
> destroyed two of my Macs and ruined the input on the other one? What can I
> do now?! Please help me!
>
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Paul Londoner]

Valter Psicoff, I'm interested in some older computers than the Power PC
Macs. These computers are the so called "home computers". I own an Amiga
A1200 with a Motorola 68020 CPU. This Amiga isn't set up to use the
Internet, though. Some other computers which people seem to be fascinated
with include Atari 8 bit, Enterprise, Memotech MTX, MSX, and Sinclair ZX
Spectrum. They all had their own style of keyboards, which aren't the same
as the layout which started with the IBM PC. It seems that the closest
keyboard layouts to the early IBM PC are the Commodore 128, and the Amiga
(all models). Just by getting a modern white, off white, or cream USB
keyboard, then adding a few stickers, you can recreate either of those
keyboards.

The main difference is that a lot of Motorola 68000-68040 MacIntosh
computers had built in CRT displays. When a built in CRT display fails,
then you've had it! If the display isn't built in, then you can replace it.
The replacement display needs to have a compatible plug or some kind of
adaptor. I think a good alternative to this would be the emulator
BasiliskII, though. I haven't set it up yet, though. If I did this, then
I'd have to make do with a more modern Mac keyboard and mouse, though. I've
already got the emulator vMac set up, but a lot of games and possibly other
software for this are in the old Stuffit format. I can't see how to run
Stuffi from inside the vMac emulator and it doesn't seem to run on my
Macs under Big Sur or Catalina, though.



On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 23:08, Jack Suggs  wrote:

> RE: I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
>> with them.
>>
>> I have a pair of G4 'Graphite' Power PCs, 733 mhz, made in 2001, that I
> use for graphic design/page layout with QuarkXPress 4 and photo editing
> with Photoshop 7. And a matching G3 Graphite iMac 600mhz, also from 2001;
> it's jammed with MP3s.  I also have a pair of newer iMacs, one for the
> world wide web, the other for recording music. Plus two G3 iBook
> clamshells, one a Tangerine, the other a Blueberry. And I have others, but
> these are the oldest.
>
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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Jack Suggs]

>
> RE: I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
> with them.
>
> I have a pair of G4 'Graphite' Power PCs, 733 mhz, made in 2001, that I
use for graphic design/page layout with QuarkXPress 4 and photo editing
with Photoshop 7. And a matching G3 Graphite iMac 600mhz, also from 2001;
it's jammed with MP3s.  I also have a pair of newer iMacs, one for the
world wide web, the other for recording music. Plus two G3 iBook
clamshells, one a Tangerine, the other a Blueberry. And I have others, but
these are the oldest.

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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Valter Psicof]

>Valter, you said "I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software
>has a version for it (you might have to look for it in some archives,
>though)."
>
>What I meant by my question is that I want to know WHICH archives you
>look in! 

Well, it depends :-)
E.g.: I find an interesting app, I go to the developer website, and it
says it's compatible with OSX 10.12 or newer.
But that's the latest version. Many times the website has a section
(called Downloads, Archive, Previous versions, whatever) with older
versions. You have to look for it, though (many time it's somehow "hidden"
away).

You might need to Google "APP NAME and OSX Mavericks" to find which
version is compatible with your OS.
Sometimes doing so lets you find the "Archive" section that you couldn't
find on the website.
Sometimes you find an Open Source place (like GitHub) where files aren't
organized in a neat, user-friendly way (and I mean "not-engineer-type"),
so you have to explore and try many folders.

>AFAIK it's not the Apple website Developers area, not MacIntosh Garden,
>not MacIntosh Repository, and not oldversion.com 
>either! 

Usually you can't find a single place where all softwares are stored,
simply because most of them are still copyrighted.
Hence you have to hunt for it. As usual, Google is your friend :-)

>Some people might be using software they originally downloaded years ago
>from the Apple Appstore, but it seems that you can install software
>you've never installed before. Where do you get it?

I find the Appstore not much "collaborative" in that way.
After all, Apple established it to get money, not helping old users... ;-)

>Recently, I've been looking at some vintage MacIntosh computers on eBay,
>as the type of Macs I never knew, but I think it would probably be a
>stupid idea to buy any. I used to own a Blueberry iMac (1999) and a
>MacPro "Quicksilver" (2000), but recently I've been looking at some
>68000-68040 based Macs.

Unless you are REALLY into vintage computing, and spending lots of time
tinkering with it, I would ignore any Mac pre-Intel.
With the Intel processors there really was a huge step forward; especially
if you plan to use OSX. With pre-Intel Macs, it's more archeology than
computing ;-D
(they are still usable, of course, but finding apps and solutions for them
is like digging for fossil bones)

>I think a good money saving tip is to get or make a keyboard and a mouse
>for a retro computer that you've heard was absolutely amazing, connect it
>to a computer which can run an emulator for that computer, then you can
>save a fortune!

Sounds like "archeology" to me, but if that's what makes you ticking,
enjoy yourself! :-D


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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Paul Londoner]

Valter, you said "I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software
has a version for it (you might have to look for it in some archives,
though)."

What I meant by my question is that I want to know WHICH archives you look
in! AFAIK it's not the Apple website Developers area, not MacIntosh Garden,
not MacIntosh Repository, and not oldversion.com either! Some people might
be using software they originally downloaded years ago from the Apple
Appstore, but it seems that you can install software you've never installed
before. Where do you get it?

Recently, I've been looking at some vintage MacIntosh computers on eBay, as
the type of Macs I never knew, but I think it would probably be a stupid
idea to buy any. I used to own a Blueberry iMac (1999) and a MacPro
"Quicksilver" (2000), but recently I've been looking at some 68000-68040
based Macs. I think a good money saving tip is to get or make a keyboard
and a mouse for a retro computer that you've heard was absolutely amazing,
connect it to a computer which can run an emulator for that computer, then
you can save a fortune!

On Wed, 19 May 2021 at 05:29, Valter Psicof  wrote:

> >I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
> >with them. Would someone like to explain?
>
> I'm still using an Early 2009 24" iMac. It's going great (although
> upgraded with 8 GB Ram and 1 TB HD).
> I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software has a version for
> it (you might have to look for it in some archives, though).
>
> The only thing I'm not using it for anymore, it's gaming (I bought a PC
> for that).
> Everything else, work included, I'm doing on this Mac - even if it's now
> 12 years old :-)
> Adobe Creative Suite CS6, MS Office 2011, Firefox, Thunderbid, VLC,
> Calibre, etc., they all work flawlessly - if a bit slowly sometimes.
>
> Sure, if you want to run the latest software you need something newer...
> but most of the time, if I look around I can find a suitable software that
> still runs in OSX 10.9. And if it doesn't... usually I don't really need
> it.
>
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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[R. A. Cantrell]

Thanks everybody for chipping in. Bruce had the solution which is TenFourFox.

On 5/18/21, Valter Psicof  wrote:
>>I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
>>with them. Would someone like to explain?
>
> I'm still using an Early 2009 24" iMac. It's going great (although
> upgraded with 8 GB Ram and 1 TB HD).
> I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software has a version for
> it (you might have to look for it in some archives, though).
>
> The only thing I'm not using it for anymore, it's gaming (I bought a PC
> for that).
> Everything else, work included, I'm doing on this Mac - even if it's now
> 12 years old :-)
> Adobe Creative Suite CS6, MS Office 2011, Firefox, Thunderbid, VLC,
> Calibre, etc., they all work flawlessly - if a bit slowly sometimes.
>
> Sure, if you want to run the latest software you need something newer...
> but most of the time, if I look around I can find a suitable software that
> still runs in OSX 10.9. And if it doesn't... usually I don't really need
> it.
>
>
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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Valter Psicof]

>I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do
>with them. Would someone like to explain?

I'm still using an Early 2009 24" iMac. It's going great (although
upgraded with 8 GB Ram and 1 TB HD).
I have installed OSX 10.9 Mavericks, and most software has a version for
it (you might have to look for it in some archives, though).

The only thing I'm not using it for anymore, it's gaming (I bought a PC
for that).
Everything else, work included, I'm doing on this Mac - even if it's now
12 years old :-)
Adobe Creative Suite CS6, MS Office 2011, Firefox, Thunderbid, VLC,
Calibre, etc., they all work flawlessly - if a bit slowly sometimes.

Sure, if you want to run the latest software you need something newer...
but most of the time, if I look around I can find a suitable software that
still runs in OSX 10.9. And if it doesn't... usually I don't really need
it.


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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Paul Londoner]

Russell, I had lots of advice about buying a MacBook Pro (mid 2012),
because it's fairly easy to upgrade.

As for where I am, London at the moment. I managed to escape last year to
Berlin, but I was forced back thanks to all the COVID-19 restrictions. I
was still classed as a tourist and wasn't allowed to book accommodation any
more, so I had nowhere to sleep. I've just checked my Internet download
speed and it's 47.2Mbps.

I still don't know what people with Macs older than 2012 manage to do with
them. Would someone like to explain? There might be a secret stash of lots
of software somewhere I've never heard of, but that doesn't seem to be
MacIntosh Garden, or MacIntosh Repository.




On Tue, 18 May 2021 at 18:27, Russell Courtenay 
wrote:

> I know this is the iMac group but I appreciate the email discussion and it
> looks like this is the only email group on Macs that has survived Facebook!
> I am on Facebook too but wow is it a time waster...
>
> I’ve done a lot of research on the older MacBook Pros and I think 2012 is
> where it’s at. I have a 2010 and it is getting too slow to do much, with
> all the video conferencing we do these days it won’t do AirPlay well so my
> family can participate.
>
> My 2011 17” is beautiful and fast but has the graphics issue. As I have
> time I will apply the hardware fix but I needed something that works now.
>
> I really wanted a 2015 or 2016 but with the butterfly keyboard issues
> unresolved I finally paid a bit more and got a 2019 16” MacBook Pro and it
> is a dream. Now I just need to do enough work with it to make it pay for
> itself somehow...
>
> Now that my older MacBooks are retired from daily use I hope to make mods
> to them to make them work well into the 21st century!
>
> By the way, where are you located Paul?
>
> I am in the SW Idaho USA high desert, been living in the rurals and
> farming for years but now struggling to get used to living in the city. I
> like the good internet at least...
>
> Russell Courtenay
> Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 16, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Paul Londoner 
> wrote:
>
> 
> Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for
> me.
>
> I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never
> even heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no
> Macs near me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA.
>
> Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD
> from eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this,
> but after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well
> as blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do
> with me installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately
> after that.
>
> After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid
> 2012) and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the
> equivalent of $151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that
> it couldn't find an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had
> Catalina installed on its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid
> 2012) has only 4Gb of RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent
> Mac, although it's upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the
> other MBP.
>
> Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the
> MBP with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I
> had a look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also
> unscrew the bracket holding the RAM in. I replaced the back of this MBP,
> but I lost one screw and another one wouldn't go in! The next thing I knew,
> I found that the screen was no longer giving me any problems!  This is
> still the situation a few days later and I'm  typing this message on it!
>
> I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my
> Nokia 2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone
> and my first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now
> planning to upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.
>
> I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models
> from i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I
> could do it myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software,
> but I'm not sure what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or
> what's so special about it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers
> to be more powerful than models from years later. My ultimate goal is to
> create a clone of an Apple Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi,
> or a Banana Pi computer.
>
>  --
>
> Paul
>
>
> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:49, Bruce Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using
>> the facility of 

Re: [what to do with a G5 running 10.4]

[Cael Thunderwing]

there's RetroArch that'll handle a fair deal of systems depending if you've
upgraded the gpu in your G5, as for browsing you can get a more modern
browsing experience with TenFourFox but you really need to temper your
expectations.
grab the big build link from the Macintosh Garden listing, just look up
RetroArch there's a Mediafire link that has upto 1.8.6 and you can use
1.8.5's cores. you could go w/ Linux on the machine but again depending on
the GPU in there you will either have a good time or a verry painfull
almost unusable experience.

On Tue, May 18, 2021 at 3:28 PM Josh Juran  wrote:

> On May 18, 2021, at 12:45 PM, R. A. Cantrell  wrote:
>
> > I was gifted an iMac G5 1.8 a few years ago and fiddled with it a while
> and could not get it to a very serviceable situation. Has Safari, has
> Firefox, but I get a lot of "could not establish secure connection" and
> "unsupported browser" responses. I would like to get it sorted out so that
> I can re-gift it to some people who need it. It has 10.4.11 running and the
> computer seems to run right, but it will present insurmountable
> difficulties for the intended end user. Any help?
>
> You're getting HTTPS errors because the SSL/TLS standards have advanced,
> and the older ones are no longer supported for security reasons.
>
> You could install MacPorts and the curl and openssl packages to allow
> command-line downloading, but I don't see you getting a usable web browsing
> experience out of this machine.  On the other hand, it would work fine for
> running PPC-only and non-Carbon classic applications (such as many games),
> so perhaps you could find someone interested in that.
>
> Josh
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Re: iMac G5

[Bruce Johnson]

You can try TenFourFox: https://www.floodgap.com/software/tenfourfox/ That 
gives you an up-to-date browser.


On May 18, 2021, at 9:45 AM, R. A. Cantrell 
mailto:rac...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I was gifted an iMac G5 1.8 a few years ago and fiddled with it a while and 
could not get it to a very serviceable situation. Has Safari, has Firefox, but 
I get a lot of "could not establish secure connection" and "unsupported 
browser" responses. I would like to get it sorted out so that I can re-gift it 
to some people who need it. It has 10.4.11 running and the computer seems to 
run right, but it will present insurmountable difficulties for the intended end 
user. Any help?
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Re: [what to do with a G5 running 10.4]

[Josh Juran]

On May 18, 2021, at 12:45 PM, R. A. Cantrell  wrote:

> I was gifted an iMac G5 1.8 a few years ago and fiddled with it a while and 
> could not get it to a very serviceable situation. Has Safari, has Firefox, 
> but I get a lot of "could not establish secure connection" and "unsupported 
> browser" responses. I would like to get it sorted out so that I can re-gift 
> it to some people who need it. It has 10.4.11 running and the computer seems 
> to run right, but it will present insurmountable difficulties for the 
> intended end user. Any help?

You're getting HTTPS errors because the SSL/TLS standards have advanced, and 
the older ones are no longer supported for security reasons.

You could install MacPorts and the curl and openssl packages to allow 
command-line downloading, but I don't see you getting a usable web browsing 
experience out of this machine.  On the other hand, it would work fine for 
running PPC-only and non-Carbon classic applications (such as many games), so 
perhaps you could find someone interested in that.

Josh

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Re: Which Mac group? The ALL MACS List!

[Russell Courtenay]

I know this is the iMac group but I appreciate the email discussion and it 
looks like this is the only email group on Macs that has survived Facebook! I 
am on Facebook too but wow is it a time waster...

I’ve done a lot of research on the older MacBook Pros and I think 2012 is where 
it’s at. I have a 2010 and it is getting too slow to do much, with all the 
video conferencing we do these days it won’t do AirPlay well so my family can 
participate. 

My 2011 17” is beautiful and fast but has the graphics issue. As I have time I 
will apply the hardware fix but I needed something that works now. 

I really wanted a 2015 or 2016 but with the butterfly keyboard issues 
unresolved I finally paid a bit more and got a 2019 16” MacBook Pro and it is a 
dream. Now I just need to do enough work with it to make it pay for itself 
somehow...

Now that my older MacBooks are retired from daily use I hope to make mods to 
them to make them work well into the 21st century!

By the way, where are you located Paul? 

I am in the SW Idaho USA high desert, been living in the rurals and farming for 
years but now struggling to get used to living in the city. I like the good 
internet at least...

Russell Courtenay
Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On May 16, 2021, at 9:22 PM, Paul Londoner  wrote:
> 
> 
> Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for me. 
> 
> I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never even 
> heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no Macs 
> near me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA. 
> 
> Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD 
> from eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this, 
> but after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well as 
> blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do with me 
> installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately after that. 
> 
> After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid 
> 2012) and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the 
> equivalent of $151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that 
> it couldn't find an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had 
> Catalina installed on its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid 
> 2012) has only 4Gb of RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent Mac, 
> although it's upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the other MBP. 
> 
> Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the MBP 
> with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I had a 
> look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also unscrew the 
> bracket holding the RAM in. I replaced the back of this MBP, but I lost one 
> screw and another one wouldn't go in! The next thing I knew, I found that the 
> screen was no longer giving me any problems!  This is still the situation a 
> few days later and I'm  typing this message on it! 
> 
> I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my Nokia 
> 2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone and my 
> first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now planning to 
> upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.  
> 
> I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models 
> from i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I could 
> do it myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software, but I'm 
> not sure what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or what's so 
> special about it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers to be more 
> powerful than models from years later. My ultimate goal is to create a clone 
> of an Apple Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi, or a Banana Pi 
> computer. 
> 
>  --
> 
> Paul
> 
> 
>> On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:49, Bruce Johnson  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner  wrote:
 
 Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using 
 the facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check 
 compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out. 
 
 SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED 
 INSTALLING ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON 
 A "MacBook Pro 17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010" 
>>> 
>>> Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! (EveryMac.com)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222 
>>> 
>>> I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the 
>>> Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual 
>>> subscription. Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from 
>>> there for macOS 10.13 High Sierra?
>> 
>> 

Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On May 16, 2021, at 8:22 PM, Paul Londoner 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for me.

I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never even 
heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no Macs near 
me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA.

Wow, I was using an old nickname for E-Bay in that email


Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD from 
eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this, but 
after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well as 
blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do with me 
installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately after that.


That indicates  a loose screen cable connection, which it appears you 
discovered!

After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) 
and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the equivalent of 
$151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that it couldn't find 
an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had Catalina installed on 
its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid 2012) has only 4Gb of 
RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent Mac, although it's 
upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the other MBP.

Slower RAM and only 4GB of it will do that every time.


Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the MBP 
with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I had a 
look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also unscrew the 
bracket holding the RAM in.

You do not need to unscrew any brackets to replace RAM in MacBooks with 
replaceable RAM! This is OWC’s RAM replacement video 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vh9hazA5hRo for that model. All you need to do 
is remove the 10 screws holding on the back; the ram has spring clips holding 
it in.


 replaced the back of this MBP, but I lost one screw and another one wouldn't 
go in! The next thing I knew, I found that the screen was no longer giving me 
any problems!  This is still the situation a few days later and I'm  typing 
this message on it!

https://www.ifixit.com is your go-to guide for all of this. All of their Mac 
disassembly guides are excellent. I”d take another crack at your 2013

If you ever need to work on things with teensy screws, I ABSOLUTELY reccomend 
getting a piece of egg-crate foam like this 
https://foamonline.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/01/Egg-Crate-Foam.jpg You can 
usually find a chunk for free. This keeps all the teensy screws accessible and 
contained.  The best part is that I can dig into each well with my fingers and 
pick up one screw without disturbing any og the surrounding wells…whenever I 
work on a Mac or PC I can put the case screws into the wells in the same 
pattern they go in, put the screws for a subassembly together, etc.

It’s saved my butt a thousand times over.


I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my Nokia 
2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone and my 
first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now planning to 
upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.


Both excellent and worthwhile upgrades.

I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models from 
i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I could do it 
myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software, but I'm not sure 
what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or what's so special about 
it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers to be more powerful than 
models from years later. My ultimate goal is to create a clone of an Apple 
Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi, or a Banana Pi computer.

That…won’t work very well. Sure the iPad, RasPi is ARM based, but the M1 is 
more than just the SOC Apple uses (which, BTW is a LOT more powerful than any 
of the chips in the aforementioned devices.)

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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

Bruce Johnson, I thought I should tell you how things have moved on for me.

I never said I could afford anything like $649, or even $400! I'd never
even heard of Fleabay before, but I joined and found out that they had no
Macs near me. I assume this is because I'm not in the USA.

Next, I bought a cheap MacBook Pro 13" (mid 2012) with 8Gb and a 500Gb HDD
from eBay for less than the equivalent of $267. I was very happy with this,
but after about two weeks the screen started flickering like mad, as well
as blanking out and turning green! I don't think this had anything to do
with me installing "Patched Sur", because it didn't happen immediately
after that.

After this, I thought I should buy another, cheaper MacBook Pro 13" (mid
2012) and see what I could do with it. I bought one for just under the
equivalent of $151 also from eBay, which was showing the screen saying that
it couldn't find an operating system. After it was delivered, I soon had
Catalina installed on its 500Gb HDD. I quickly found out that this MBP (mid
2012) has only 4Gb of RAM, the very reason why I bought my second recent
Mac, although it's upgradedable! It seemed to work more slowly than the
other MBP.

Later on, I bought a Philips 00 screwdriver and removed the back of the MBP
with the faulty screen. I also have a new set of Torx screwdrivers. I had a
look round and checked that the Philips 00 screwdriver would also unscrew
the bracket holding the RAM in. I replaced the back of this MBP, but I lost
one screw and another one wouldn't go in! The next thing I knew, I found
that the screen was no longer giving me any problems!  This is still the
situation a few days later and I'm  typing this message on it!

I've made up a music track in Logic X Pro, and made a 1080p video on my
Nokia 2.3 phone and MBA. I've also made a 1080p video on my Nokia 2.3 phone
and my first MBP after the faulty screen problem disappeared. I'm now
planning to upgrade one of both of my MBP computers to 16Gb and an SSD.

I hear that some people can even upgrade the CPU on these 2012 MBP models
from i5 to i7, so I'm considering having that done, but I don't think I
could do it myself. Some people like to use the Davinci Resolve software,
but I'm not sure what it can do which iMovie can't. Does it do CGI or
what's so special about it? My ambition is to upgrade my MBP 2012 computers
to be more powerful than models from years later. My ultimate goal is to
create a clone of an Apple Silicon MacBook, using an iPad, a Raspberry Pi,
or a Banana Pi computer.

 --

Paul


On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 16:49, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:

>
>
> On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner  wrote:
>
> Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using
> the facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check
> compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out.
>
> SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED
> INSTALLING ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON
> A "MacBook Pro 17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010"
>
>
> Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! (EveryMac.com)
>
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222
>
> I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the
> Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual
> subscription. Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from
> there for macOS 10.13 High Sierra?
>
>
> I don’t have a paid subscription to the developer section, so I don’t
> know. I have a free one and there are only a variety of developer tools
> available to me for downloading.
>
> Given that these seem to be requirements for you; I'd start looking for a
> newer MacBook pro. Mid 2012 ones will run Catalina, I just worked on one of
> those yesterday. The cutoff for MacBook Pros for Big Sur is mid 2013.
>
> Some casual Googling turned up this deal :
> https://www.macofalltrades.com/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-2-3ghz-quad-core-i7-retina-mid-2012-mc975ll-a-1-excellent-condition/?setCurrencyId=1=CjwKCAjw3pWDBhB3EiwAV1c5rMTXqV0raCGYfhx6oSMEULzyEAu6NG5edyg-sjsr20PODHpL1XVTLRoC5bcQAvD_BwE
>
> Also don't discount picking up an 8GB MacBook Air 2014; I found lots for ~
> $400 on fleabay.
>
>
>
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Apr 1, 2021, at 7:49 AM, Paul Londoner 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using the 
facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check 
compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out.

SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED INSTALLING 
ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON A "MacBook Pro 
17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010"

Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! 
(EveryMac.com)


https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222

I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the 
Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual subscription. 
Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from there for macOS 10.13 
High Sierra?

I don’t have a paid subscription to the developer section, so I don’t know. I 
have a free one and there are only a variety of developer tools available to me 
for downloading.

Given that these seem to be requirements for you; I'd start looking for a newer 
MacBook pro. Mid 2012 ones will run Catalina, I just worked on one of those 
yesterday. The cutoff for MacBook Pros for Big Sur is mid 2013.

Some casual Googling turned up this deal : 
https://www.macofalltrades.com/apple-macbook-pro-15-inch-2-3ghz-quad-core-i7-retina-mid-2012-mc975ll-a-1-excellent-condition/?setCurrencyId=1=CjwKCAjw3pWDBhB3EiwAV1c5rMTXqV0raCGYfhx6oSMEULzyEAu6NG5edyg-sjsr20PODHpL1XVTLRoC5bcQAvD_BwE

Also don't discount picking up an 8GB MacBook Air 2014; I found lots for ~ $400 
on fleabay.



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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

Bruce Johnson, I've done some more research on the Apple Appstore using the
facility of clicking on the link "runs on this MacBook Air" to check
compatibiliy on older versions of macOS and here's what I found out.

SOFTWARE FROM APPLE APPSTORE WHICH  I HAVE INSTALLED OR CONSIDERED
INSTALLING ON MY MACBOOK AIR EARLY 2014 (4GB) SO WOULD ALSO WANT TO RUN ON
A "MacBook Pro 17" 2.66GHz Core i7 mid 2010"

Latest supported macOS is only 10.13 High Sierra!! (EveryMac.com)

Xcode - NO

Swift Playgrounds - NO

Garageband - NO

BBEdit - NO

The Sims 2: Super Collection - YES

Pages - NO

iMovie - NO

Keynote - NO

Numbers - NO

Logic Pro - NO

In most or even ALL cases, a version of macOS 10.15 Catalina is required.
Catalina isn’t officially supported on any Mac from before mid 2012. The
list is on…

https://support.apple.com/en-gb/HT210222

I assume that older versions of the apps above are available from the
Developers section of the Apple website, requiring a $99 annual
subscription. Can you tell me which of the apps above is available from
there for macOS 10.13 High Sierra?




On Thu, 1 Apr 2021 at 14:03, Paul Londoner  wrote:

> Bruce Johnson, thanks for that information! I will go back to the Apple
> Appstore and check on the requirements for various apps.
>
> After watching a video by Luke Miani on Youtube, I've been considering
> buying a mid 2010 MacBook Pro with 2.66Ghz Core i7 8Gb RAM fitted. I have
> some doubts about this, though.
>
> Can you advise me ASAP what I can and can't do with this model of Mac? I
> heard that it could run a patched version of macOS Big Sur, but that this
> would mean no graphics acceleration causing Safari to take 14 seconds to
> open a window and it either can't do Airplay, or not on a particular
> version of macOS.  Here's that video by Luke Miani...
> https://youtu.be/4_AzUtG9h9k
>
> On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 20:04, Bruce Johnson 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Paul Londoner 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found
>> out was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try
>> to download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or
>> can't run them.
>>
>>
>> This isn’t even remotely true. Yes there are apps that require Big sur,
>> but when you log into the App store it knows what version of OS X you’re
>> running. Compatibility to older versions of the OS is up to the app
>> developers themselves. For Apple products, that is most likely to be
>> limited to only the past two or three versions.
>>
>> I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh with High
>> Sierra installed. I even found out where the settings were that said which
>> version of macOS was required. I think this was in the plist files. I
>> changed these settings to match High Sierra, but these programs still
>> didn't run.
>>
>>
>> Changing the plist for the App will not change whether or not it runs in
>> that OS. They’re not artificially limiting you to a set OS, the OS version
>> in the plist file reflects the required support libraries in the OS.
>>
>> From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest macOS Big Sur, I
>> heard about a job training course for designing a UI. It said that I must
>> own a Mac to do this and use particular software, but I can't remember the
>> name of this software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only able to download
>> XCode, and Keynote from the Apple App Store, because I'm running macOS Big
>> Sur. Even If I was running Catalina I may not have been allowed to download
>> this software.
>>
>>
>> The current compatibility for Xcode in the App store is listed as 10.15.4
>> Keynote only require 10.15 or later. If you run the App store App it tells
>> you ‘it will run on this ” if you click on that it switches
>> to tell you the minimum version
>>
>> Older mac OS versions are freely available from Apple:
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 back to Yosemite 10.10 and 10.7
>> and 10.8 are available for purchase
>> https://www.apple.com/shop/help/downloadable_software
>>
>> --
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>> University of Arizona
>> College of Pharmacy
>> Information Technology Group
>>
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>>
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

Bruce Johnson, thanks for that information! I will go back to the Apple
Appstore and check on the requirements for various apps.

After watching a video by Luke Miani on Youtube, I've been considering
buying a mid 2010 MacBook Pro with 2.66Ghz Core i7 8Gb RAM fitted. I have
some doubts about this, though.

Can you advise me ASAP what I can and can't do with this model of Mac? I
heard that it could run a patched version of macOS Big Sur, but that this
would mean no graphics acceleration causing Safari to take 14 seconds to
open a window and it either can't do Airplay, or not on a particular
version of macOS.  Here's that video by Luke Miani...
https://youtu.be/4_AzUtG9h9k

On Wed, 31 Mar 2021 at 20:04, Bruce Johnson 
wrote:

>
> On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Paul Londoner 
> wrote:
>
> I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found
> out was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try
> to download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or
> can't run them.
>
>
> This isn’t even remotely true. Yes there are apps that require Big sur,
> but when you log into the App store it knows what version of OS X you’re
> running. Compatibility to older versions of the OS is up to the app
> developers themselves. For Apple products, that is most likely to be
> limited to only the past two or three versions.
>
> I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh with High
> Sierra installed. I even found out where the settings were that said which
> version of macOS was required. I think this was in the plist files. I
> changed these settings to match High Sierra, but these programs still
> didn't run.
>
>
> Changing the plist for the App will not change whether or not it runs in
> that OS. They’re not artificially limiting you to a set OS, the OS version
> in the plist file reflects the required support libraries in the OS.
>
> From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest macOS Big Sur, I
> heard about a job training course for designing a UI. It said that I must
> own a Mac to do this and use particular software, but I can't remember the
> name of this software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only able to download
> XCode, and Keynote from the Apple App Store, because I'm running macOS Big
> Sur. Even If I was running Catalina I may not have been allowed to download
> this software.
>
>
> The current compatibility for Xcode in the App store is listed as 10.15.4
> Keynote only require 10.15 or later. If you run the App store App it tells
> you ‘it will run on this ” if you click on that it switches
> to tell you the minimum version
>
> Older mac OS versions are freely available from Apple:
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 back to Yosemite 10.10 and 10.7
> and 10.8 are available for purchase
> https://www.apple.com/shop/help/downloadable_software
>
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> College of Pharmacy
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Mar 30, 2021, at 7:12 PM, Paul Londoner 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found out 
was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try to 
download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or can't 
run them.

This isn’t even remotely true. Yes there are apps that require Big sur, but 
when you log into the App store it knows what version of OS X you’re running. 
Compatibility to older versions of the OS is up to the app developers 
themselves. For Apple products, that is most likely to be limited to only the 
past two or three versions.

I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh with High Sierra 
installed. I even found out where the settings were that said which version of 
macOS was required. I think this was in the plist files. I changed these 
settings to match High Sierra, but these programs still didn't run.

Changing the plist for the App will not change whether or not it runs in that 
OS. They’re not artificially limiting you to a set OS, the OS version in the 
plist file reflects the required support libraries in the OS.

>From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest macOS Big Sur, I heard 
>about a job training course for designing a UI. It said that I must own a Mac 
>to do this and use particular software, but I can't remember the name of this 
>software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only able to download XCode, and Keynote 
>from the Apple App Store, because I'm running macOS Big Sur. Even If I was 
>running Catalina I may not have been allowed to download this software.

The current compatibility for Xcode in the App store is listed as 10.15.4 
Keynote only require 10.15 or later. If you run the App store App it tells you 
‘it will run on this ” if you click on that it switches to tell 
you the minimum version

Older mac OS versions are freely available from Apple:  
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211683 back to Yosemite 10.10 and 10.7 and 
10.8 are available for purchase 
https://www.apple.com/shop/help/downloadable_software

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Re: Which Mac group?

[Paul Londoner]

I have done a lot of research into the Mac and its software. What I found
out was that unless you have the latest macOS installed, then when you try
to download apps from the Apple Appstore, you either can't download them or
can't run them. I found out about this using a Toshiba Satellite Hackintosh
with High Sierra installed. I even found out where the settings were that
said which version of macOS was required. I think this was in the plist
files. I changed these settings to match High Sierra, but these programs
still didn't run. From what I've heard, unless I was running the latest
macOS Big Sur, I heard about a job training course for designing a UI. It
said that I must own a Mac to do this and use particular software, but I
can't remember the name of this software at the moment. AFAIK, I was only
able to download XCode, and Keynote from the Apple App Store, because I'm
running macOS Big Sur. Even If I was running Catalina I may not have been
allowed to download this software. For older versions of macOS I've heard
that users have to pay Apple $99 per year to access the Developers' section
where they can download older versions of the software which will run on
their macOS version.

I really don't know what is the latest version of macOS which can be run on
a Mac from 2008. What kind of software do you run on it? Where do you get
this software from? I've heard of Macintosh Repository, Macintosh Garden,
and Oldversion.com, but none of these sites seem to have any software like
old versions of popular office and productivity software by Apple.

SInce posting my last message, I've watched some more videos about
upgrading Macs. One of them showed how to replace soldered RAM on a MacBook
Air from 2012, but my MacBook Air is from 2014. I assume the RAM is
similar. From what I saw, the chips look nothing like I've ever seen before
and the type of soldering is nothing like I've seen before either!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yjFAr5nM4YU

I watched another video saying that the MacBooks from 2012 were the last
ones which Apple made easy to upgrade, but I the RAM wasn't soldered in on
that MacBook Pro.

So far, things are going OK with my 4Gb MacBook Air, except for the few
messages saying that memory is low, so I should close some apps. I've
achieved my original goal of owning a Mac which can run Logic Pro. This is
even a later version of Logic Pro than was used in the recording studio!
Apart from this, I have never owned a computer with more than 4Gb RAM
fitted. I've been uisng LInux OS for several years, but if I'd been using a
recent version of WIndows then I'd probably have been forced to upgrade.




On Tue, 30 Mar 2021 at 16:02, 'Skyvalley Higher Praise' via iMac Group <
imaclist@googlegroups.com> wrote:

> Same here.  2008 iMac.  Just recently replaced the HD with an SD and
> cleaned out the inside.  Hoping to keep it running another 1 to 2 years
> before retiring the unit.
> Experimented with installation of Linux on the unit, but faced an issue
> with the graphics card not being fully supported.
>
> On Monday, March 29, 2021 at 11:06:38 PM UTC-7 Dennis Faulkner wrote:
>
>> I am still using an Apple IMac from 2008
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Bruce Johnson 
>> wrote:
>>
>>  Honestly this is the last LowEndMac Google group running, afaik. I
>> haven’t gotten any  post from any of the others in a long time.
>>
>>
>> The list of Macs that run Big Sur is pretty straight forward
>> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211238 and it does go back quite a
>> way; The machine I’m writing this on is a 2014 MBA with 4 MB of ram,
>> running Big Sur. That said it’s not my main system; I haven’t used it as
>> such for a while. But with 4GB you’ve always had to balance how many apps
>> you’re running with what you’re doing. This works well as email/web
>> browsing/text editing/photos system.
>>
>> Honestly I’ve been down the  same Hackintosh and ‘hacked OS’ macs path
>> and it’s been more trouble in the end, than it was
>> worth. I found I was spending more time working ON my computer than
>> working WITH it.
>>
>> Find a Mac you can afford on that list above move on.
>>
>>
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:46 AM, PaulBX  wrote:
>>
>> Unfortunately I haven't used this group for some time, but have still
>> been getting emails from it.
>>
>>
>> In 2012 I bought a Blueberry iMac G3 (1999) and not long after that I got
>> a Mac Pro G4 "Quicksilver" Mac free of charge from Freecycle. My motive for
>> getting both of these Macs was to find out more about the Mac in general,
>> especially as I was doing some free music recording sessions in a studio
>> where the sound engineer/producer was using Logic Pro 9. I think the Mac in
>> the studio was a desktop Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon CPU, but whatever model
>> it was it had a silver mesh case.
>>
>>
>> Unfortunately what I found out was that these Macs had virtually nothing
>> in common with the Mac in the studio and wouldn't even run Safari! I no
>> 

Re: Which Mac group?

['Dennis Faulkner' via iMac Group]

I am still using an Apple IMac from 2008

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 29, 2021, at 9:04 PM, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
>  Honestly this is the last LowEndMac Google group running, afaik. I haven’t 
> gotten any  post from any of the others in a long time.
> 
> The list of Macs that run Big Sur is pretty straight forward 
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211238 and it does go back quite a way; The 
> machine I’m writing this on is a 2014 MBA with 4 MB of ram, running Big Sur. 
> That said it’s not my main system; I haven’t used it as such for a while. But 
> with 4GB you’ve always had to balance how many apps you’re running with what 
> you’re doing. This works well as email/web browsing/text editing/photos 
> system.  
> 
> Honestly I’ve been down the  same Hackintosh and ‘hacked OS’ macs path and 
> it’s been more trouble in the end, than it was 
> worth. I found I was spending more time working ON my computer than working 
> WITH it. 
> 
> Find a Mac you can afford on that list above move on.
> 
> 
>> On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:46 AM, PaulBX  wrote:
>> 
>> Unfortunately I haven't used this group for some time, but have still been 
>> getting emails from it. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In 2012 I bought a Blueberry iMac G3 (1999) and not long after that I got a 
>> Mac Pro G4 "Quicksilver" Mac free of charge from Freecycle. My motive for 
>> getting both of these Macs was to find out more about the Mac in general, 
>> especially as I was doing some free music recording sessions in a studio 
>> where the sound engineer/producer was using Logic Pro 9. I think the Mac in 
>> the studio was a desktop Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon CPU, but whatever model 
>> it was it had a silver mesh case. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Unfortunately what I found out was that these Macs had virtually nothing in 
>> common with the Mac in the studio and wouldn't even run Safari! I no longer 
>> own either of these Macs.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> After this experience I decided to create a Hackintosh laptop, by installing 
>> hacked versions of macOS from the website Hackintosh Zone. Unfortunately the 
>> two or three times I did this it was with limited success. There were 
>> problems with the graphics and one installation refused to boot up without 
>> the USB installer being plugged in. Each time I was only able to use the 
>> Hackintosh for a few weeks. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Eventually I decided to buy a new/old MacBook, which could run the latest 
>> macOS Big Sur. I now own a MacBook Air 13 inch (early 2014). I don't think 
>> this group is suitable for someone who owns this type of Mac so I am looking 
>> for another group which would support it. My MacBook Air has 4Gb of RAM and 
>> I’ve started getting reports that my memory is low, so I should close some 
>> apps. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> One idea of mine is to buy whichever old MacBook Air or MacBook Pro I can 
>> afford, which has at least 8Gb RAM fitted, then install a patched version of 
>> macOS Big Sur. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have looked on the website lowendmac.com as well as on Google Groups to 
>> try and find another group which would be more suitable for me in my current 
>> situation, but I can't see a list of groups on lowendmac.com and as for 
>> Google groups all I can say is groups that I am a member of or have read 
>> using Google Chrome. I can't bring up an index listing lots of groups.
>> 
>> 
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Re: Which Mac group?

[Bruce Johnson]

Honestly this is the last LowEndMac Google group running, afaik. I haven’t 
gotten any  post from any of the others in a long time.

The list of Macs that run Big Sur is pretty straight forward 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211238 and it does go back quite a way; The 
machine I’m writing this on is a 2014 MBA with 4 MB of ram, running Big Sur. 
That said it’s not my main system; I haven’t used it as such for a while. But 
with 4GB you’ve always had to balance how many apps you’re running with what 
you’re doing. This works well as email/web browsing/text editing/photos system.

Honestly I’ve been down the  same Hackintosh and ‘hacked OS’ macs path and it’s 
been more trouble in the end, than it was
worth. I found I was spending more time working ON my computer than working 
WITH it.

Find a Mac you can afford on that list above move on.


On Mar 29, 2021, at 10:46 AM, PaulBX 
mailto:paul.londo...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Unfortunately I haven't used this group for some time, but have still been 
getting emails from it.


In 2012 I bought a Blueberry iMac G3 (1999) and not long after that I got a Mac 
Pro G4 "Quicksilver" Mac free of charge from Freecycle. My motive for getting 
both of these Macs was to find out more about the Mac in general, especially as 
I was doing some free music recording sessions in a studio where the sound 
engineer/producer was using Logic Pro 9. I think the Mac in the studio was a 
desktop Mac Pro with an Intel Xeon CPU, but whatever model it was it had a 
silver mesh case.


Unfortunately what I found out was that these Macs had virtually nothing in 
common with the Mac in the studio and wouldn't even run Safari! I no longer own 
either of these Macs.


After this experience I decided to create a Hackintosh laptop, by installing 
hacked versions of macOS from the website Hackintosh Zone. Unfortunately the 
two or three times I did this it was with limited success. There were problems 
with the graphics and one installation refused to boot up without the USB 
installer being plugged in. Each time I was only able to use the Hackintosh for 
a few weeks.


Eventually I decided to buy a new/old MacBook, which could run the latest macOS 
Big Sur. I now own a MacBook Air 13 inch (early 2014). I don't think this group 
is suitable for someone who owns this type of Mac so I am looking for another 
group which would support it. My MacBook Air has 4Gb of RAM and I’ve started 
getting reports that my memory is low, so I should close some apps.


One idea of mine is to buy whichever old MacBook Air or MacBook Pro I can 
afford, which has at least 8Gb RAM fitted, then install a patched version of 
macOS Big Sur.


I have looked on the website lowendmac.com as well as on 
Google Groups to try and find another group which would be more suitable for me 
in my current situation, but I can't see a list of groups on 
lowendmac.com and as for Google groups all I can say is 
groups that I am a member of or have read using Google Chrome. I can't bring up 
an index listing lots of groups.



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Re: External backup drive recommendations

[Eric Volker]

I know I’m late to this party but I felt obliged to respond to the above
recommendations for Seagate. Some of you may be familiar with Louis
Rossman. He is famous for doing board level repairs for Macs on YouTube,
and also for criticizing Apple’s tendency to make newer devices
unrepairable.

Another lesser known aspect of his business is drive recovery. Here he
explains why he frequently has to repair Seagate drives:


https://youtu.be/6b0JcNqkZrk


On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 9:59 AM Bruce Johnson 
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> I’ll second Mark’s suggestion, I've had good luck with their HDD’s (both
> 2.5” and 3.5” ) for Time Machine use.
>
>
> On Jan 25, 2021, at 2:55 AM, Mark Syder  wrote:
>
> I like Seagate external discs. If she's not using a large amount of the
> 1Tb, a disc is probably good enough.
>
> Mark
>
> On Mon, 25 Jan 2021 at 01:28, William Spencer 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi there: My wife’s 2nd computer has just been replaced with a new 1TB
>> SSD Mini, and we need to get a backup for it. I’d be glad to know your
>> recommended sources, makers, and types (meaning HD vs. SSD). The size would
>> be probably 1-1.5 TB, I guess, no need for more than that as far as I know;
>> the data at issue will not change very often at all since it’s a single
>> use/function machine—meaning it only gets used for one specific activity
>> that does not involve much updating of data.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>> ***
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Re: External backup drive recommendations

[Bruce Johnson]

I’ll second Mark’s suggestion, I've had good luck with their HDD’s (both 2.5” 
and 3.5” ) for Time Machine use.

On Jan 25, 2021, at 2:55 AM, Mark Syder 
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I like Seagate external discs. If she's not using a large amount of the 1Tb, a 
disc is probably good enough.

Mark

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Hi there: My wife’s 2nd computer has just been replaced with a new 1TB SSD 
Mini, and we need to get a backup for it. I’d be glad to know your recommended 
sources, makers, and types (meaning HD vs. SSD). The size would be probably 
1-1.5 TB, I guess, no need for more than that as far as I know; the data at 
issue will not change very often at all since it’s a single use/function 
machine—meaning it only gets used for one specific activity that does not 
involve much updating of data.

Thanks!

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Re: External backup drive recommendations

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I like Seagate external discs. If she's not using a large amount of the
1Tb, a disc is probably good enough.

Mark

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> the data at issue will not change very often at all since it’s a single
> use/function machine—meaning it only gets used for one specific activity
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> Thanks!
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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

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“It just works!” :-) Glad it’s working!!!

On Jan 19, 2021, at 7:13 PM, Bill Spencer 
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Well, I have no idea how it happened, but the iTunes drive is already getting 
backed up. So I bothered you for nothing, more or less. Thanks! Bill

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 1:45:49 PM UTC-5 
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On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Bill Spencer  wrote:

I have reformatted the backup drive and set TM to back up the internal HD to 
it, but how do I point the live external iTunes folder to the backup drive 
also? I can't see any way to do that. Thanks again! me


The directions are here: 
https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html

Time Machine automatically puts external HD’s on the exclusion list, so you 
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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

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Well, I have no idea how it happened, but the iTunes drive is already 
getting backed up. So I bothered you for nothing, more or less. Thanks! Bill

On Tuesday, January 19, 2021 at 1:45:49 PM UTC-5 
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>
>
> On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Bill Spencer  wrote:
>
> I have reformatted the backup drive and set TM to back up the internal HD 
> to it, but how do I point the live external iTunes folder to the backup 
> drive also? I can't see any way to do that. Thanks again! me
>
>
>
> The directions are here: 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html
>  
>
> Time Machine automatically puts external HD’s on the exclusion list, so 
> you have to remove the iTunes drive from there before you can include the 
> iTunes in the backup.
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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

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On Jan 18, 2021, at 3:05 PM, Bill Spencer 
mailto:wspen...@jhu.edu>> wrote:

I have reformatted the backup drive and set TM to back up the internal HD to 
it, but how do I point the live external iTunes folder to the backup drive 
also? I can't see any way to do that. Thanks again! me


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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

[Bill Spencer]

I have reformatted the backup drive and set TM to back up the internal HD 
to it, but how do I point the live external iTunes folder to the backup 
drive also? I can't see any way to do that. Thanks again! me

On Sunday, January 17, 2021 at 3:16:29 PM UTC-5 
john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:

>
>
> On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Bill Spencer  wrote:
>
> Thank you both for this information. Unfortunately I am not in a position 
> to buy another external HD so I will have to manage with what I have. In 
> reading through your comments, I realized that there's no need for the 
> iTunes backup to be in a separate partition (at least, I think this is so); 
> I have no idea why I set things up that way originally. (I continue to 
> refer to "iTunes" even though it's not called that anymore...one cannot 
> usually teach old dogs new tricks.) Here's what I think I'll do, subject to 
> your better advice: 
>
>1. Reformat the backup drive to APFS without a partition
>2. Set up Time Machine to back up the main HD to the newly-formatted 
>external HD
>3. Copy the contents of the current iTunes drive to the 
>newly-formatted backup drive.
>4. Reformat the current iTunes drive to the new format
>5. Copy the backed-up iTunes material back to the newly-reformatted 
>external iTunes drive
>6. Set up Time Machine to back up the external iTunes drive to the 
>newly-formatted external HD
>
> Will this approach work? Or, what do I need to change in that proposal? 
> Again, my thanks for your input. Bill
>
>
> To re-aquaint myself with the original problem: you have your iTunes stuff 
> on an external drive by itself, and a backup drive that was used by CCC to 
> back up the iTunes volume and internal HD’s as separate volumes? You never 
> actually specified what was on each external volume.
>
> if it’s like this:
> external Disk 1: iTunes
> external Disk 2:Partition 1  existing CCC internal backup, partition 
> 2 existing CCC itunes backup 
>
> 1) reformat backup drive as a single partition. I do not know if the OS 
> lets you format hard drives as APFS, but it will be offered as an option if 
> so. (Remember, drive reformats like this are done at the Physical disk 
> level in Disk Utility the one named Seagate or WD something something, not 
> the Volume level)
>
> 2) Set this newly formatted volume as your Time Machine volume and point 
> both the internal HD and external iTunes **folder** to it for backing up.
>
> No need to be copying back and forth like you were planning.
>
> OTOH if the partition drive is your internal backup and your ‘live’ iTunes 
> volume, I’d reformat the remaining one copy the live iTunes to it and then 
> reformat the whole new backup drive as a single volume and then point the 
> internal HD and the iTunes folder on the (now) external iTunes volume to 
> Time Machine.
>
> Time machine isn’t picky about the drive formatting it’s backing up, just 
> the formatting of it’s drive.
>
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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 17, 2021, at 8:39 AM, Bill Spencer 
mailto:wspen...@jhu.edu>> wrote:

Thank you both for this information. Unfortunately I am not in a position to 
buy another external HD so I will have to manage with what I have. In reading 
through your comments, I realized that there's no need for the iTunes backup to 
be in a separate partition (at least, I think this is so); I have no idea why I 
set things up that way originally. (I continue to refer to "iTunes" even though 
it's not called that anymore...one cannot usually teach old dogs new tricks.) 
Here's what I think I'll do, subject to your better advice:

  1.  Reformat the backup drive to APFS without a partition
  2.  Set up Time Machine to back up the main HD to the newly-formatted 
external HD
  3.  Copy the contents of the current iTunes drive to the newly-formatted 
backup drive.
  4.  Reformat the current iTunes drive to the new format
  5.  Copy the backed-up iTunes material back to the newly-reformatted external 
iTunes drive
  6.  Set up Time Machine to back up the external iTunes drive to the 
newly-formatted external HD

Will this approach work? Or, what do I need to change in that proposal? Again, 
my thanks for your input. Bill

To re-aquaint myself with the original problem: you have your iTunes stuff on 
an external drive by itself, and a backup drive that was used by CCC to back up 
the iTunes volume and internal HD’s as separate volumes? You never actually 
specified what was on each external volume.

if it’s like this:
external Disk 1: iTunes
external Disk 2:Partition 1  existing CCC internal backup, partition 2 existing 
CCC itunes backup

1) reformat backup drive as a single partition. I do not know if the OS lets 
you format hard drives as APFS, but it will be offered as an option if so. 
(Remember, drive reformats like this are done at the Physical disk level in 
Disk Utility the one named Seagate or WD something something, not the Volume 
level)

2) Set this newly formatted volume as your Time Machine volume and point both 
the internal HD and external iTunes **folder** to it for backing up.

No need to be copying back and forth like you were planning.

OTOH if the partition drive is your internal backup and your ‘live’ iTunes 
volume, I’d reformat the remaining one copy the live iTunes to it and then 
reformat the whole new backup drive as a single volume and then point the 
internal HD and the iTunes folder on the (now) external iTunes volume to Time 
Machine.

Time machine isn’t picky about the drive formatting it’s backing up, just the 
formatting of it’s drive.

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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

[Bill Spencer]

2. Connect the drive to a USB port on your AirPort base station, then 
>turn it on.
>3. Open AirPort Utility, then select your base station and click Edit 
>to view its settings.
>4. Click the Disks tab in the settings window.
>5. Select your backup disk from the list of partitions, then select 
>“Enable file sharing”: 
>[image: AirPort Utility window Disks tab with "Enable file sharing" 
>turned on]
>6. If more than one user on your network will back up to this disk 
>with Time Machine, you can use the Secure Shared Disks pop-up menu to make 
>sure that they can view only their own backups, not yours. Choose “With 
>accounts” from the menu, then click the add button (+) to add users.
>7. Click Update to restart your base station and apply the settings.
>
> --
> AirPort Time Capsule
>
> Time Machine can back up to the built-in hard disk of an AirPort Time 
> Capsule on your network.
>
>  
> --
> Learn more
>
>- How to back up your Mac with Time Machine 
><https://support.apple.com/kb/HT201250>
>- Time Machine can't back up to a disk formatted for Windows, or to an 
>iPhone, iPad, or iPod touch.
>
> Published Date: November 12, 2020
>
> On Fri, Jan 1, 2021 at 4:59 PM Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
>
>> On Jan 1, 2021, at 12:57 PM, William Spencer  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hi there: I’ve got Big Sur installed now, and I’m hoping to be able to 
>> use Time Machine to do my backing up rather than Carbon Copy Cloner, which 
>> is what I’ve been using for quite a while now. But I can’t see how to 
>> configure TM to do what I need. Here’s the setup: 
>>
>>- I have three physical HDs, one internal to the Mini and two 
>>external.
>>- One of the externals is partitioned, so the system actually thinks 
>>I have four HDs. 
>>- The idea is to back up the internal to one partition and the 
>>standalone external to the other partition.
>>
>>  Time Machine is a real ‘fire and forget’ backup system…you turn it on 
>> and you don’t have to fuss with it ever again.
>>
>> Time machine backs up the booted volume (plus any mounted external 
>> volume, optionally, see link below)
>>
>> IS the standalone external another bootable drive? Then, unfortunately 
>> what I would do is back it up with CCC (or it’s own Time Machine 
>> Configuration while booted) That way you can do the back up internal to one 
>> partition, the external to another. and be able to recover them both as 
>> bootable drives; you cannot use a bootable volume backed up as a mounted 
>> external drive in Migration Assistant (which is how you restore an entire 
>> volume from Time Machine)
>>
>>
>>- TM isn’t showing me one of the (partitioned) HDs as a possible 
>>destination for a backup.
>>
>> Likely it is because it’s not the correct format (see below)
>>
>>
>>- It also isn’t showing me the internal HD as a source.
>>
>> You don’t select a source in Time Machine. It backs up the currently 
>> booted volume. By default it excludes external drives but you can undo that 
>> in the preferences: 
>> https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html
>>  (you 
>> can also exclude items on the boot drive that way as well. My email 
>> folders, for example are excluded, because all my email “lives” on the 
>> server, so restoring my email is merely a matter gdropping the account, 
>> re-adding it and re-synching the folders.
>>
>> This doesn’t work if you use POP or have local non-synched folder (they 
>> show as ‘On my Mac’ in the list in Mail)
>>
>>
>>- The two it's showing (which are for what used to be called iTunes, 
>>one the source and the other the destination) are formatted as Mac OS 
>>Extended (Journaled); the two it isn’t showing (for the HD itself, ditto) 
>>are formatted as APFS.
>>
>>
>> I”m not sure why, Big Sur is supposed to use APFS fro Time Machine, at 
>> least per the Ars Techhnica Big Review: 
>> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/macos-11-0-big-sur-the-ars-technica-review/9/#h1
>>  
>>
>>
>>- Is that difference in format a (or the) issue?
>>- If I reformat anything I will lose all that data, as you know.
>>- How can I proceed?
>>
>> Honestly, what I would do is purchase a new larger external HDD (mine is 
>> a 4TB one I got at Costco for ~$80-$90 I think, on sale) and set it up as 
&g

Re: Finding duplicate files

[herb hoover]

Hi Bill. On the App store there are many duplicate finders, some free. I
have not found one that is better or worse than the others.

That being said, I use Chronosync for a few different reasons.
One- I can make a Master folder if my assorted files. Music, photos,
paintings, word docs, etc.
It allows me to do a merge, so I can specify which (latest) files to keep.
This helps me when I have a jpg, tif and psd. I used a duo finder app and
it would up messing up a couple different folders, deleting the oldest of
each file among a few different folders (my bad for not paying closer
attention). I still have one each of the three or more different files, but
in and on an assortment of different folders and drives.
I can schedule a sync or backup.
It does a but more,  sync folders and drives. Make a clone of a drive, and
so on.
But just for a simple duplicate skim down, a free one should work.
Not too sure on this part, but doesn't the new photo app open and sort
older iphoto libraries? I am pretty sure I did an update in my wife's
iPhoto libraries when I moved her photos from her MBP to her iMac and newer
MBP.
Good Luck.

Mark

On Tue, Jan 5, 2021, 5:57 PM William Spencer  wrote:

> Hi there: How can I find duplicate files? I think I have several boatloads
> of photos that are dupes of each other, in various folders. There’s also
> the old iPhoto stuff that I can’t navigate anymore anyway, and I think
> there are dupes in there as well. Any suggestions welcome. Thanks in
> advance!
>
> ***
>
> Bill Spencer in Maryland
> Mac Mini 2.6 GHz i5/11.1
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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

[Bruce Rubin]

gt;
>- I have three physical HDs, one internal to the Mini and two external.
>- One of the externals is partitioned, so the system actually thinks I
>have four HDs.
>- The idea is to back up the internal to one partition and the
>standalone external to the other partition.
>
>  Time Machine is a real ‘fire and forget’ backup system…you turn it on and
> you don’t have to fuss with it ever again.
>
> Time machine backs up the booted volume (plus any mounted external volume,
> optionally, see link below)
>
> IS the standalone external another bootable drive? Then, unfortunately
> what I would do is back it up with CCC (or it’s own Time Machine
> Configuration while booted) That way you can do the back up internal to one
> partition, the external to another. and be able to recover them both as
> bootable drives; you cannot use a bootable volume backed up as a mounted
> external drive in Migration Assistant (which is how you restore an entire
> volume from Time Machine)
>
>
>- TM isn’t showing me one of the (partitioned) HDs as a possible
>destination for a backup.
>
> Likely it is because it’s not the correct format (see below)
>
>
>- It also isn’t showing me the internal HD as a source.
>
> You don’t select a source in Time Machine. It backs up the currently
> booted volume. By default it excludes external drives but you can undo that
> in the preferences:
> https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html
>  (you
> can also exclude items on the boot drive that way as well. My email
> folders, for example are excluded, because all my email “lives” on the
> server, so restoring my email is merely a matter gdropping the account,
> re-adding it and re-synching the folders.
>
> This doesn’t work if you use POP or have local non-synched folder (they
> show as ‘On my Mac’ in the list in Mail)
>
>
>- The two it's showing (which are for what used to be called iTunes,
>one the source and the other the destination) are formatted as Mac OS
>Extended (Journaled); the two it isn’t showing (for the HD itself, ditto)
>are formatted as APFS.
>
>
> I”m not sure why, Big Sur is supposed to use APFS fro Time Machine, at
> least per the Ars Techhnica Big Review:
> https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/macos-11-0-big-sur-the-ars-technica-review/9/#h1
>
>
>
>- Is that difference in format a (or the) issue?
>- If I reformat anything I will lose all that data, as you know.
>- How can I proceed?
>
> Honestly, what I would do is purchase a new larger external HDD (mine is a
> 4TB one I got at Costco for ~$80-$90 I think, on sale) and set it up as one
> or two time machine volumes. (depending on why you want those two drives
> backed up to different partitions)
>
> Time Machine is a multi-point backup/restore system (It’s been a very long
> time since I've used CCC for this purpose) It maintains a database of
> changed files and folders and only backs up the changes as it goes. So you
> want to have (imo) at a minimum 2X your backed up data as free space, 3X is
> closer to optimal.
>
> So I’d look at how much you have to back up to start, and size it from
> there.
>
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> University of Arizona
> College of Pharmacy
> Information Technology Group
>
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Re: Time Machine configuration...?

[Bruce Johnson]

On Jan 1, 2021, at 12:57 PM, William Spencer 
mailto:wspence...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi there: I’ve got Big Sur installed now, and I’m hoping to be able to use Time 
Machine to do my backing up rather than Carbon Copy Cloner, which is what I’ve 
been using for quite a while now. But I can’t see how to configure TM to do 
what I need. Here’s the setup:

  *   I have three physical HDs, one internal to the Mini and two external.
  *   One of the externals is partitioned, so the system actually thinks I have 
four HDs.
  *   The idea is to back up the internal to one partition and the standalone 
external to the other partition.

 Time Machine is a real ‘fire and forget’ backup system…you turn it on and you 
don’t have to fuss with it ever again.

Time machine backs up the booted volume (plus any mounted external volume, 
optionally, see link below)

IS the standalone external another bootable drive? Then, unfortunately what I 
would do is back it up with CCC (or it’s own Time Machine Configuration while 
booted) That way you can do the back up internal to one partition, the external 
to another. and be able to recover them both as bootable drives; you cannot use 
a bootable volume backed up as a mounted external drive in Migration Assistant 
(which is how you restore an entire volume from Time Machine)

  *   TM isn’t showing me one of the (partitioned) HDs as a possible 
destination for a backup.

Likely it is because it’s not the correct format (see below)


  *   It also isn’t showing me the internal HD as a source.

You don’t select a source in Time Machine. It backs up the currently booted 
volume. By default it excludes external drives but you can undo that in the 
preferences: 
https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html
 (you can also exclude items on the boot drive that way as well. My email 
folders, for example are excluded, because all my email “lives” on the server, 
so restoring my email is merely a matter gdropping the account, re-adding it 
and re-synching the folders.

This doesn’t work if you use POP or have local non-synched folder (they show as 
‘On my Mac’ in the list in Mail)

  *   The two it's showing (which are for what used to be called iTunes, one 
the source and the other the destination) are formatted as Mac OS Extended 
(Journaled); the two it isn’t showing (for the HD itself, ditto) are formatted 
as APFS.

I”m not sure why, Big Sur is supposed to use APFS fro Time Machine, at least 
per the Ars Techhnica Big Review: 
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2020/11/macos-11-0-big-sur-the-ars-technica-review/9/#h1


  *   Is that difference in format a (or the) issue?
  *   If I reformat anything I will lose all that data, as you know.
  *   How can I proceed?

Honestly, what I would do is purchase a new larger external HDD (mine is a 4TB 
one I got at Costco for ~$80-$90 I think, on sale) and set it up as one or two 
time machine volumes. (depending on why you want those two drives backed up to 
different partitions)

Time Machine is a multi-point backup/restore system (It’s been a very long time 
since I've used CCC for this purpose) It maintains a database of changed files 
and folders and only backs up the changes as it goes. So you want to have (imo) 
at a minimum 2X your backed up data as free space, 3X is closer to optimal.

So I’d look at how much you have to back up to start, and size it from there.

--
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University of Arizona
College of Pharmacy
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Re: Video editing question

['Christopher Collins' via iMac Group]

And don’t forget iMovie HD

cjc

> On 23 Dec 2020, at 11:25 am, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>> On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:41 AM, William Spencer > > wrote:
>> 
>> Hi there: I seem to be being hauled toward getting into some basic video 
>> editing/production. I could please use some insight into the 
>> advantages/disadvantages of Final Cut Pro vs. Adobe Premiere Elements. I 
>> have never really done anything with video editing, and I really doubt I 
>> will have any very high-end needs—pretty basic is what I’m expecting. The 
>> pricing is quite different from what I can see, and cheaper is certainly 
>> better if possible.
> 
> 
> 
> I’ll echo Beverly here; before jumping into the deep end make sure iMovie 
> doesn’t do what you need; I’ts worth a try anyway, and for someone new to the 
> process offers a gentler learning curve...
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Re: Video editing question

[Bruce Johnson]

On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:41 AM, William Spencer 
mailto:wspence...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi there: I seem to be being hauled toward getting into some basic video 
editing/production. I could please use some insight into the 
advantages/disadvantages of Final Cut Pro vs. Adobe Premiere Elements. I have 
never really done anything with video editing, and I really doubt I will have 
any very high-end needs—pretty basic is what I’m expecting. The pricing is 
quite different from what I can see, and cheaper is certainly better if 
possible.


I’ll echo Beverly here; before jumping into the deep end make sure iMovie 
doesn’t do what you need; I’ts worth a try anyway, and for someone new to the 
process offers a gentler learning curve...
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Re: Video editing question

[NODEraser]

On Sun, Dec 20, 2020 at 11:45 AM Russell Courtenay
 wrote:
>
> I will be interested to see others comments on this, I have been using iMovie 
> since I got an OS X machine in 2008 for my silly YouTube channel and love it.
>
> My first videos edited and played nicely on my 400MHz Pismo but the 4 minute 
> video took 20 hours to render to MP4 and then I couldn’t play them back! 
> Still there on YouTube and work fine on newer machines...
>

Today's YouTube on anything but an Intel Mac is going to be pure
torture, if it works at all. I can get videos to play at maybe 1-2 fps
in 240p on my G4 1.42 GHz using TenFourFox; a Pismo probably wouldn't
work at all. The G4 and its contemporary graphics chipsets don't have
hardware decoding for the VP9 codec that YouTube uses, and the G4
series of CPUs just don't have the raw power to do it in real-time.


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Re: Video editing question

[Russell Courtenay]

I will be interested to see others comments on this, I have been using iMovie 
since I got an OS X machine in 2008 for my silly YouTube channel and love it. 

My first videos edited and played nicely on my 400MHz Pismo but the 4 minute 
video took 20 hours to render to MP4 and then I couldn’t play them back! Still 
there on YouTube and work fine on newer machines...
https://youtube.com/user/UnknownIdaho

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> On Dec 20, 2020, at 10:41 AM, William Spencer  wrote:
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> Hi there: I seem to be being hauled toward getting into some basic video 
> editing/production. I could please use some insight into the 
> advantages/disadvantages of Final Cut Pro vs. Adobe Premiere Elements. I have 
> never really done anything with video editing, and I really doubt I will have 
> any very high-end needs—pretty basic is what I’m expecting. The pricing is 
> quite different from what I can see, and cheaper is certainly better if 
> possible. FYI I have not gone to Big Sur yet but I will probably have to do 
> so before long.
> 
> Any thoughts welcome. Thanks in advance!
> 
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Re: Video editing question

[Beverly Woods]

Hi Bill,

  Might you be able to use iMovie? Works well for a lot of basic tasks 
and the price is right.


Beverly Woods

On 12/20/20 12:41 PM, William Spencer wrote:
Hi there: I seem to be being hauled toward getting into some basic video 
editing/production. I could please use some insight into the 
advantages/disadvantages of Final Cut Pro vs. Adobe Premiere Elements. I 
have never really done anything with video editing, and I really doubt I 
will have any very high-end needs—pretty basic is what I’m expecting. 
The pricing is quite different from what I can see, and cheaper is 
certainly better if possible. FYI I have not gone to Big Sur yet but I 
will probably have to do so before long.


Any thoughts welcome. Thanks in advance!

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Re: Backing up options for the new OS

[Bruce Johnson]

Presuming that Apple doesn’t change things for OS 11, yes you can. By default 
Time machine doesn’t back them up but you can configure it to do so.

https://eclecticlight.co/2017/05/25/advanced-time-machine-backups-multiple-sources-multiple-destinations/


On Nov 3, 2020, at 6:31 PM, William Spencer 
mailto:wspence...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi there: Here’s the story: I have two external drives in addition to the 
internal one on the Mini listed below. One of the externals contains everything 
that used to be in iTunes (I haven’t bothered to rename to drive), because the 
main HD is not roomy enough to hold it all. The other external drive is the 
backup, partitioned to handle the main HD and the iTunes material separately. 
Up to now I have been using Carbon Copy Cloner to make my weekly backups 
because—well, I don’t remember why it appeared at the time that Time Machine 
could not handle backing up everything since it’s split among two different 
drives (one internal and one external), but that’s what I thought so there we 
are.

With the new OS that Apple is issuing in the near future I would like to 
revisit the backup strategy, please. Could someone please confirm whether or 
not I can back up everything using Time Machine given the way it’s all 
configured now? And is Time Machine the best tool for backing up, or should I 
continue using CCC even though it may not be compatible with the new OS right 
away?

All thoughts welcome. Thanks in advance, as always!
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Re: Keychain loosing passwords

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> On Aug 8, 2020, at 1:32 PM, 'Russell Courtenay' via iMac Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is what I fear: Apple suggests a ‘secure’ password there is no way 
> you’ll remember so you try it. Then it never gets saved in your password! 
> Sometimes I enter a password on a website and in never asks ‘do you want to 
> save that password?’
> 

Check the password tab in safari preferences..it might be there.

However I”ve used iCloud keychain for years without anything like this.

> Is this unusual? It has happened to me several times, I have a password file 
> in my file cabinet but seriously, with 500 plus online logins, it is not up 
> to date. Now with greater security on Google and the like, I guess they are 
> physically reviewing reset requests and it takes days...

90% of my online logins are the same stupid password, because 90% don’t really 
need that kind of security. Something that would let a bad guy get at my money 
or other things of importance have secure ones, but sites that make you log in  
to look at old forum posts? They get the stupid easy password.

I”ve run into some sites that don’t prompt you to save the password; it’s 
something in the way the sites are written. 


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Re: Mail vs. Gmail...?

[Bruce Johnson]

I would drop the account, restart the Mac and re-add the account to see if that 
fixes it. I”ve had to do that occasionally with email accounts on people’s 
computers.

On Aug 7, 2020, at 1:22 PM, Bill Spencer 
mailto:wspen...@jhu.edu>> wrote:

OSX version is 10.15.6--is there more we need to know? IMAP is set as account 
access, and I can't find anything about synching spam (or other) folders but 
there was never an issue until a few weeks ago.

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:48:06 PM UTC-4, 
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Version of OS X? The way Mail has handled GMail accounts has changed over the 
versions.

Is Gmail set to be accessed as an IMAP account? << wrote:

Hi there: In the past month or so, I've begun having some problems with Mail 
and its interaction with my Gmail account:

  *   When I launch Mail, it brings in the messages from Gmail as usual but 
after I open them or delete them, they don't get marked as opened or deleted in 
the Gmail web interface. If I select the "unread" ones there and mark them as 
read, they switch back to unread the next time I go in. Mail will show them as 
read, but the web interface doesn't. This only applies to messages received on 
or after the 4th of August.
  *   The items in the Spam folder in the web interface don't get brought 
across to Mail at all (with very few exceptions). Not that I care so much about 
my spam collection, but I want to see what's there in case something got 
flagged that shouldn't have.
  *   Some messages, but not all, refuse to display their content when I open 
them in Mail--I just get the header and a blank screen, so I have no idea what 
they contain. Occasionally if I close and reopen them repeatedly the content 
eventually appears, but not very often. They display fine in the web interface, 
just not in Mail.

The web interface issues apply regardless of whether I use Chrome or Safari.

Any ideas will be gratefully received. Thanks in advance!

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Re: Keychain loosing passwords

[Russell Courtenay]

I wonder if there are documented issues with Keychain on El Cap?

Russell Courtenay

Sent from my old iMac

> On Aug 9, 2020, at 2:26 PM, 'John Hobbs' via iMac Group 
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> Russell
> I hear you and used to have the same problems but not now. I let the password 
> manager do its thing even for important stuff and it just seems to work then 
> again I ditched my 2009 iMac for a 2017 model on high Sierra 
> John
> 
>> On 8 Aug 2020, at 21:32, 'Russell Courtenay' via iMac Group 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is what I fear: Apple suggests a ‘secure’ password there is no way 
>> you’ll remember so you try it. Then it never gets saved in your password! 
>> Sometimes I enter a password on a website and in never asks ‘do you want to 
>> save that password?’
>> 
>> Is this unusual? It has happened to me several times, I have a password file 
>> in my file cabinet but seriously, with 500 plus online logins, it is not up 
>> to date. Now with greater security on Google and the like, I guess they are 
>> physically reviewing reset requests and it takes days...
>> 
>> Thinking about using password manager software but isn’t that what iCloud is 
>> supposed to be doing?
>> 
>> Now I am in the recovery process with Google that will take a couple days. I 
>> am still logged in on my iPhone (password not saved there) but of course, 
>> google now blocks messages from downloading to my phone so only the previews 
>> are there. 
>> 
>> This is a family email account I started in April of 2019 and never used, I 
>> use it today and- locked out. 
>> 
>> I don’t use my iMac much but it still the family server and backup machine, 
>> maybe it is time to replace it...
>> 
>> 2008 iMac 
>> Mac OS X El Capitan
>> Gmail account 
>> 
>> Russell Courtenay
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>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Keychain loosing passwords

[Michael J. Amato]

Why is the Keychain such a mess! Is there a way to clean it up?


Mike Amato

> On Aug 9, 2020, at 4:26 PM, 'John Hobbs' via iMac Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> Russell
> I hear you and used to have the same problems but not now. I let the password 
> manager do its thing even for important stuff and it just seems to work then 
> again I ditched my 2009 iMac for a 2017 model on high Sierra 
> John
> 
>> On 8 Aug 2020, at 21:32, 'Russell Courtenay' via iMac Group 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> This is what I fear: Apple suggests a ‘secure’ password there is no way 
>> you’ll remember so you try it. Then it never gets saved in your password! 
>> Sometimes I enter a password on a website and in never asks ‘do you want to 
>> save that password?’
>> 
>> Is this unusual? It has happened to me several times, I have a password file 
>> in my file cabinet but seriously, with 500 plus online logins, it is not up 
>> to date. Now with greater security on Google and the like, I guess they are 
>> physically reviewing reset requests and it takes days...
>> 
>> Thinking about using password manager software but isn’t that what iCloud is 
>> supposed to be doing?
>> 
>> Now I am in the recovery process with Google that will take a couple days. I 
>> am still logged in on my iPhone (password not saved there) but of course, 
>> google now blocks messages from downloading to my phone so only the previews 
>> are there. 
>> 
>> This is a family email account I started in April of 2019 and never used, I 
>> use it today and- locked out. 
>> 
>> I don’t use my iMac much but it still the family server and backup machine, 
>> maybe it is time to replace it...
>> 
>> 2008 iMac 
>> Mac OS X El Capitan
>> Gmail account 
>> 
>> Russell Courtenay
>> Solemnity and profundity are sublime in inequity. 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Keychain loosing passwords

['John Hobbs' via iMac Group]

Russell
I hear you and used to have the same problems but not now. I let the password 
manager do its thing even for important stuff and it just seems to work then 
again I ditched my 2009 iMac for a 2017 model on high Sierra 
John

> On 8 Aug 2020, at 21:32, 'Russell Courtenay' via iMac Group 
>  wrote:
> 
> This is what I fear: Apple suggests a ‘secure’ password there is no way 
> you’ll remember so you try it. Then it never gets saved in your password! 
> Sometimes I enter a password on a website and in never asks ‘do you want to 
> save that password?’
> 
> Is this unusual? It has happened to me several times, I have a password file 
> in my file cabinet but seriously, with 500 plus online logins, it is not up 
> to date. Now with greater security on Google and the like, I guess they are 
> physically reviewing reset requests and it takes days...
> 
> Thinking about using password manager software but isn’t that what iCloud is 
> supposed to be doing?
> 
> Now I am in the recovery process with Google that will take a couple days. I 
> am still logged in on my iPhone (password not saved there) but of course, 
> google now blocks messages from downloading to my phone so only the previews 
> are there. 
> 
> This is a family email account I started in April of 2019 and never used, I 
> use it today and- locked out. 
> 
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Re: Mail vs. Gmail...?

[Bill Spencer]

OSX version is 10.15.6--is there more we need to know? IMAP is set as 
account access, and I can't find anything about synching spam (or other) 
folders but there was never an issue until a few weeks ago.

On Friday, August 7, 2020 at 2:48:06 PM UTC-4, joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu 
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>
> Version of OS X? The way Mail has handled GMail accounts has changed over 
> the versions. 
>
> Is Gmail set to be accessed as an IMAP account? <<
> GMail lets you select folders to NOT synch with desktop clients, this 
> might be the issue with your spam folder.
>
>
> On Aug 7, 2020, at 6:22 AM, Bill Spencer > 
> wrote:
>
> Hi there: In the past month or so, I've begun having some problems with 
> Mail and its interaction with my Gmail account: 
>
>- When I launch Mail, it brings in the messages from Gmail as usual 
>but after I open them or delete them, they don't get marked as opened or 
>deleted in the Gmail web interface. If I select the "unread" ones there 
> and 
>mark them as read, they switch back to unread the next time I go in. Mail 
>will show them as read, but the web interface doesn't. This only applies 
> to 
>messages received on or after the 4th of August.
>- The items in the Spam folder in the web interface don't get brought 
>across to Mail at all (with very few exceptions). Not that I care so much 
>about my spam collection, but I want to see what's there in case something 
>got flagged that shouldn't have.
>- Some messages, but not all, refuse to display their content when I 
>open them in Mail--I just get the header and a blank screen, so I have no 
>idea what they contain. Occasionally if I close and reopen them repeatedly 
>the content eventually appears, but not very often. They display fine in 
>the web interface, just not in Mail.
>
> The web interface issues apply regardless of whether I use Chrome or 
> Safari.
>
> Any ideas will be gratefully received. Thanks in advance!
>
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Re: Mail vs. Gmail...?

[Bruce Johnson]

Version of OS X? The way Mail has handled GMail accounts has changed over the 
versions.

Is Gmail set to be accessed as an IMAP account? <> wrote:

Hi there: In the past month or so, I've begun having some problems with Mail 
and its interaction with my Gmail account:

  *   When I launch Mail, it brings in the messages from Gmail as usual but 
after I open them or delete them, they don't get marked as opened or deleted in 
the Gmail web interface. If I select the "unread" ones there and mark them as 
read, they switch back to unread the next time I go in. Mail will show them as 
read, but the web interface doesn't. This only applies to messages received on 
or after the 4th of August.
  *   The items in the Spam folder in the web interface don't get brought 
across to Mail at all (with very few exceptions). Not that I care so much about 
my spam collection, but I want to see what's there in case something got 
flagged that shouldn't have.
  *   Some messages, but not all, refuse to display their content when I open 
them in Mail--I just get the header and a blank screen, so I have no idea what 
they contain. Occasionally if I close and reopen them repeatedly the content 
eventually appears, but not very often. They display fine in the web interface, 
just not in Mail.

The web interface issues apply regardless of whether I use Chrome or Safari.

Any ideas will be gratefully received. Thanks in advance!

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Re: OT: iPod upgrade question

[Bill Spencer]

And is there a better place for me to ask iPod-related questions and get 
advice, since after all this is an iMac list? Thanks--Bill

On Wednesday, April 29, 2020 at 6:22:31 PM UTC-4, Bill Spencer wrote:
>
> Thanks, I will. To clarify, I will *not* be doing this myself, but asking 
> a shop or a techie with experience to do it. Bill
>
> On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 8:08:54 PM UTC-4, John from Wisconsin wrote:
>>
>> I would check with Other World Computing at www.macsales.com. Thy might 
>> even have a video tutorial or do it for you. Good people.
>> John G Greenwood
>> Mineral Point, Wisconsin.
>>
>> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:58 PM, William Spencer  wrote:
>>
>> Hi there: First, my apologies in advance for asking at all. I’m asking 
>> this question here because I have no idea where else I can ask it aside 
>> from the Apple communities—which I have already done. I have an iPod 
>> classic, last generation, with the stock 160gb HD installed. It is 
>> completely full so I cannot add anything to it anymore. Apparently it is 
>> technically possible to replace the HD with a bigger SSD one. My question 
>> is this: Has anyone here actually had this done? If so, did it work okay 
>> and how much did it cost?
>>
>> Thanks very much in advance!
>>
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Re: OT: iPod upgrade question

[Bill Spencer]

Thanks, I will. To clarify, I will *not* be doing this myself, but asking a 
shop or a techie with experience to do it. Bill

On Tuesday, April 28, 2020 at 8:08:54 PM UTC-4, John from Wisconsin wrote:
>
> I would check with Other World Computing at www.macsales.com. Thy might 
> even have a video tutorial or do it for you. Good people.
> John G Greenwood
> Mineral Point, Wisconsin.
>
> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:58 PM, William Spencer  > wrote:
>
> Hi there: First, my apologies in advance for asking at all. I’m asking 
> this question here because I have no idea where else I can ask it aside 
> from the Apple communities—which I have already done. I have an iPod 
> classic, last generation, with the stock 160gb HD installed. It is 
> completely full so I cannot add anything to it anymore. Apparently it is 
> technically possible to replace the HD with a bigger SSD one. My question 
> is this: Has anyone here actually had this done? If so, did it work okay 
> and how much did it cost?
>
> Thanks very much in advance!
>
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Re: OT: iPod upgrade question

[John Greenwood]

I would check with Other World Computing at www.macsales.com. Thy might even 
have a video tutorial or do it for you. Good people.
John G Greenwood
Mineral Point, Wisconsin.

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 2:58 PM, William Spencer  wrote:
> 
> Hi there: First, my apologies in advance for asking at all. I’m asking this 
> question here because I have no idea where else I can ask it aside from the 
> Apple communities—which I have already done. I have an iPod classic, last 
> generation, with the stock 160gb HD installed. It is completely full so I 
> cannot add anything to it anymore. Apparently it is technically possible to 
> replace the HD with a bigger SSD one. My question is this: Has anyone here 
> actually had this done? If so, did it work okay and how much did it cost?
> 
> Thanks very much in advance!
> 
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Re: OT: iPod upgrade question

[Ryan Waldon]

My brother-in-law accomplished a similar repair several years ago. He had an 
iPod with an ailing drive and a failing battery. I provided the new drive from 
a stash I bought from W00t! I’m pretty sure that he, or one of my nephews, 
still uses that iPod today. 

Sent from my Apple iPhone 

> On Apr 28, 2020, at 16:24, William Spencer  wrote:
> 
> Hi there: First, my apologies in advance for asking at all. I’m asking this 
> question here because I have no idea where else I can ask it aside from the 
> Apple communities—which I have already done. I have an iPod classic, last 
> generation, with the stock 160gb HD installed. It is completely full so I 
> cannot add anything to it anymore. Apparently it is technically possible to 
> replace the HD with a bigger SSD one. My question is this: Has anyone here 
> actually had this done? If so, did it work okay and how much did it cost?
> 
> Thanks very much in advance!
> 
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Re: Remote acess question

[Code Jammer]

Just use vnc and apple remote desktop

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 9:25 PM William Spencer  wrote:

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> is on 10.10.5 and I am as shown below. TeamViewer tells me that his version
> is too old but he can’t upgrade because of the OS that his machine is stuck
> on (a Mini from some years back). Apparently there’s a Chrome extension
> that does the same thing: anyone here know about it? Or is TeamViewer still
> the way to go but how do I get around the outdated-version block?
>
> Thanks in advance! Bill
>
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Re: Remote acess question

[Bill Spencer]

My father is on TEN-point-TEN-point-FIVE. Sorry if there was any confusion.

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 2:28:05 PM UTC-4, Skyvalley Higher Praise 
wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Even though you haven't stated if he has the T.V. software installed, it 
> sounds like Team Viewer is not supporting 10.5 anymore.  I'd reach out to 
> the T.V. support directly and query them about it. Team Viewer Support 
> 
>
> Patrick
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 11:17:12 AM UTC-7, Bill Spencer wrote:
>>
>> He is on 10.10.5, and my version of TeamViewer says his is too old. Does 
>> that mean I have to back out to a prior version...is that what you're 
>> saying? Sorry to be dense, but...well, there we are. Thanks! Bill
>>
>> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4, Skyvalley Higher Praise 
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi Bill,
>>>
>>> Does your father currently have TeamViewer installed on 10.5?  If you're 
>>> attempting to install, older versions of the application can be found at 
>>> the oldapps website: Old Version of TeamViewer for Mac for Mac OS X 
>>> 10.5 Leopard (PowerPC) Download 
>>> 
>>>
>>> Patrick 
>>>
>>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 7:25:38 PM UTC-7, Bill Spencer wrote:

 Hi there: I’ve been using TeamViewer to access my father’s computer but 
 he is on 10.10.5 and I am as shown below. TeamViewer tells me that his 
 version is too old but he can’t upgrade because of the OS that his machine 
 is stuck on (a Mini from some years back). Apparently there’s a Chrome 
 extension that does the same thing: anyone here know about it? Or is 
 TeamViewer still the way to go but how do I get around the 
 outdated-version 
 block?

 Thanks in advance! Bill

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Re: Remote acess question

[Jim Emery]

Hi Bill,

Late to the conversations.  According to TeamViewer 
(https://community.teamviewer.com/t5/Knowledge-Base/Which-operating-systems-are-supported/ta-p/24141#toc-hId-442705294
 
),
 your Dad’s computer can run TeamViewer 10 - 13.  Do you know what version he 
has now?  You can download previous versions of TeamViewer here:

https://www.teamviewer.com/en-us/download/previous-versions/ 


If he does not have TeamViewer 13, it might be worth giving that a try to see 
if it compatible with your version of TeamViewer running on 10.15.3.  

Apologies if this is repeating information already discussed.  Cheers.

Jim

> On Mar 23, 2020, at 11:10 AM, Bill Spencer  wrote:
> 
> He is on 10.10.5, and my version of TeamViewer says his is too old. Does that 
> mean I have to back out to a prior version...is that what you're saying? 
> Sorry to be dense, but...well, there we are. Thanks! Bill
> 
> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4, Skyvalley Higher Praise wrote:
> Hi Bill,
> 
> Does your father currently have TeamViewer installed on 10.5?  If you're 
> attempting to install, older versions of the application can be found at the 
> oldapps website: Old Version of TeamViewer for Mac for Mac OS X 10.5 Leopard 
> (PowerPC) Download 
> 
> 
> Patrick 
> 
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 7:25:38 PM UTC-7, Bill Spencer wrote:
> Hi there: I’ve been using TeamViewer to access my father’s computer but he is 
> on 10.10.5 and I am as shown below. TeamViewer tells me that his version is 
> too old but he can’t upgrade because of the OS that his machine is stuck on 
> (a Mini from some years back). Apparently there’s a Chrome extension that 
> does the same thing: anyone here know about it? Or is TeamViewer still the 
> way to go but how do I get around the outdated-version block?
> 
> Thanks in advance! Bill
> 
> ***
> 
> Bill Spencer in Maryland
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> 
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Re: Remote acess question

[Skyvalley Higher Praise]

Hi Bill,

Even though you haven't stated if he has the T.V. software installed, it 
sounds like Team Viewer is not supporting 10.5 anymore.  I'd reach out to 
the T.V. support directly and query them about it. Team Viewer Support 


Patrick

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 11:17:12 AM UTC-7, Bill Spencer wrote:
>
> He is on 10.10.5, and my version of TeamViewer says his is too old. Does 
> that mean I have to back out to a prior version...is that what you're 
> saying? Sorry to be dense, but...well, there we are. Thanks! Bill
>
> On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4, Skyvalley Higher Praise 
> wrote:
>>
>> Hi Bill,
>>
>> Does your father currently have TeamViewer installed on 10.5?  If you're 
>> attempting to install, older versions of the application can be found at 
>> the oldapps website: Old Version of TeamViewer for Mac for Mac OS X 10.5 
>> Leopard (PowerPC) Download 
>> 
>>
>> Patrick 
>>
>> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 7:25:38 PM UTC-7, Bill Spencer wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi there: I’ve been using TeamViewer to access my father’s computer but 
>>> he is on 10.10.5 and I am as shown below. TeamViewer tells me that his 
>>> version is too old but he can’t upgrade because of the OS that his machine 
>>> is stuck on (a Mini from some years back). Apparently there’s a Chrome 
>>> extension that does the same thing: anyone here know about it? Or is 
>>> TeamViewer still the way to go but how do I get around the outdated-version 
>>> block?
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance! Bill
>>>
>>> ***
>>>
>>> Bill Spencer in Maryland
>>> Mac Mini 2.6 GHz i5/10.15.3
>>>
>>>

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Re: Remote acess question

[Bill Spencer]

He is on 10.10.5, and my version of TeamViewer says his is too old. Does 
that mean I have to back out to a prior version...is that what you're 
saying? Sorry to be dense, but...well, there we are. Thanks! Bill

On Monday, March 23, 2020 at 10:28:17 AM UTC-4, Skyvalley Higher Praise 
wrote:
>
> Hi Bill,
>
> Does your father currently have TeamViewer installed on 10.5?  If you're 
> attempting to install, older versions of the application can be found at 
> the oldapps website: Old Version of TeamViewer for Mac for Mac OS X 10.5 
> Leopard (PowerPC) Download 
> 
>
> Patrick 
>
> On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 7:25:38 PM UTC-7, Bill Spencer wrote:
>>
>> Hi there: I’ve been using TeamViewer to access my father’s computer but 
>> he is on 10.10.5 and I am as shown below. TeamViewer tells me that his 
>> version is too old but he can’t upgrade because of the OS that his machine 
>> is stuck on (a Mini from some years back). Apparently there’s a Chrome 
>> extension that does the same thing: anyone here know about it? Or is 
>> TeamViewer still the way to go but how do I get around the outdated-version 
>> block?
>>
>> Thanks in advance! Bill
>>
>> ***
>>
>> Bill Spencer in Maryland
>> Mac Mini 2.6 GHz i5/10.15.3
>>
>>

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Re: Remote acess question

[Skyvalley Higher Praise]

Hi Bill,

Does your father currently have TeamViewer installed on 10.5?  If you're 
attempting to install, older versions of the application can be found at 
the oldapps website: Old Version of TeamViewer for Mac for Mac OS X 10.5 
Leopard (PowerPC) Download 


Patrick 

On Sunday, March 22, 2020 at 7:25:38 PM UTC-7, Bill Spencer wrote:
>
> Hi there: I’ve been using TeamViewer to access my father’s computer but he 
> is on 10.10.5 and I am as shown below. TeamViewer tells me that his version 
> is too old but he can’t upgrade because of the OS that his machine is stuck 
> on (a Mini from some years back). Apparently there’s a Chrome extension 
> that does the same thing: anyone here know about it? Or is TeamViewer still 
> the way to go but how do I get around the outdated-version block?
>
> Thanks in advance! Bill
>
> ***
>
> Bill Spencer in Maryland
> Mac Mini 2.6 GHz i5/10.15.3
>
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Re: Logitech trackball weirdness

[Dan Cottler]

On Oct 23, 2019, at 07:00 AM, William Spencer mailto:wspence...@gmail.com>> wrote:
> 
> My M570 wireless trackball began making a single click behave like a 
> double-click a while ago. It’s very maddening. The Logitech site only seems 
> to talk about this in the Windows world. Any thoughts? Thanks in advance!

What vers macOS?
What vers LCC?

Clean the contacts/wheels as best you can, and replace the batteries.

I’ve had this double-click behavior on several devices.  The fix was usually 
cleaning or fresh batteries.

- Dan.

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Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 24, 2019, at 9:33 AM, Bill Spencer 
mailto:wspen...@jhu.edu>> wrote:


I'm pretty sure my Mini is a later 2014 version; I got it from the Apple store 
online (as a refurb) in spring 2015.


Yeah then it probably is. So is mine which I got *new* [sob] from the Apple 
Store in July of 2018.

yes, mere months before the exponentially improved and more capable models were 
released. For grins and giggles I looked up what Apple would give me as a 
trade-in for it: $143.

Now THAT’S Depreciation!  $750 to $143 in three months.

I didn’t really have a choice though, my old one had died, so I was kinda 
stuck. Had I *known* the new ones were coming I’d have figured out how to hold 
off and wait, but you know Apple, they love them some surprises :-/

I felt like the Library here at the U,  back in the day, when they bought a 
room-full of Mac IIVi’s to refresh their computer labs…

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Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions

[Bill Spencer]

On Thursday, October 24, 2019 at 12:07:53 PM UTC-4, 
joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bill Spencer > 
> wrote:
>
>
>>- 
>>Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with 
>>Catalina and the replacement for iTunes?
>>
>>
>> No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. 
>> I’d definitely do some research first!
>>
>
>
> I found this info yesterday: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210611 No 
> mention of what models are supported. 
>
>
>>
>>- I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external 
>>partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the 
>>impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, 
>>though I forget why that’s the case
>>
>>
>> ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a 
>> MS-DOS volume it won’t work.
>>
>
> The backup drive isn't MS-DOS so on that score it should be okay. But I 
> have a dim memory that because the backup is partitioned (one for the HD, 
> one for the iTunes drive) Time Machine wouldn't work...something about 
> having to select the "drive" at the time of backup, but again it's been 
> quite a while so I'm not sure.
>
>
> This is older info https://www.baligu.com/pondini/TM/32.html and this is 
> newer but is the same instructions, so I”ll bet it works: 
> https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html
>


This looks good, thanks. I'll check when I get home.
 

>
> Also if your Mini is a 2012 model it has an additional SATA connector on 
> the logic board to support the server configuration Apple sold; you can get 
> this from OWC to install a second drive. 
> https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIDIMM11D2/  I did this on my old 
> 2011 model to make a DIY Fusion drive with a 1TB HDD and a 128GB SSD. 
> Worked great until the HDD went south. 
>
> Sadly (and infuriatingly), while the pads are present on the logic board 
> in a 2014 to host a socket for the PCIe SSD’s such as used in Macbook Air’s 
> , the socket itself is missing :-( so on a 2014 you’re limited to a single 
> drive.
>

I'm pretty sure my Mini is a later 2014 version; I got it from the Apple 
store online (as a refurb) in spring 2015.
 

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Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 23, 2019, at 10:48 AM, Bill Spencer 
mailto:wspen...@jhu.edu>> wrote:


  *
Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with Catalina and 
the replacement for iTunes?

No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. I’d 
definitely do some research first!


I found this info yesterday: https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT210611 No 
mention of what models are supported.



  *   I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external 
partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the 
impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, though I 
forget why that’s the case

ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a MS-DOS 
volume it won’t work.

The backup drive isn't MS-DOS so on that score it should be okay. But I have a 
dim memory that because the backup is partitioned (one for the HD, one for the 
iTunes drive) Time Machine wouldn't work...something about having to select the 
"drive" at the time of backup, but again it's been quite a while so I'm not 
sure.

This is older info https://www.baligu.com/pondini/TM/32.html and this is newer 
but is the same instructions, so I”ll bet it works: 
https://www.macworld.com/article/3153995/how-to-make-sure-time-machine-backs-up-external-drives.html

Also if your Mini is a 2012 model it has an additional SATA connector on the 
logic board to support the server configuration Apple sold; you can get this 
from OWC to install a second drive. 
https://eshop.macsales.com/item/OWC/DIDIMM11D2/  I did this on my old 2011 
model to make a DIY Fusion drive with a 1TB HDD and a 128GB SSD. Worked great 
until the HDD went south.

Sadly (and infuriatingly), while the pads are present on the logic board in a 
2014 to host a socket for the PCIe SSD’s such as used in Macbook Air’s , the 
socket itself is missing :-( so on a 2014 you’re limited to a single drive.

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Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions

[Bill Spencer]

Thanks! Some minor amplification below.

On Wednesday, October 23, 2019 at 1:04:43 PM UTC-4, 
joh...@pharmacy.arizona.edu wrote:
>
>
>
> On Oct 23, 2019, at 3:41 AM, William Spencer  > wrote:
>
>
> Hi there: I have not yet installed Catalina and need to know a couple of 
> things first, please: 
>
>
>- I currently keep iTunes on a separate, external HD due to the fact 
>that there’s not enough room for it on the main HD (capacity 250GB, but 
>iTunes currently uses a bit over 500GB)
>- Will Catalina understand and maintain that separation?
>
>
> I see no reason why it shouldn’t. This information is stored in the iTunes 
> database, presuming you’re running the current pre-Catalina version.
>
> That said, if you’re speaking of the Mac Mini in your sig, it’s only 
> moderately difficult to swap in a 1 Tb SSD (currently ~$100) which neatly 
> solves the whole space issue. 
>

I should have specified: the Mini's HD is 100% SSD...and I also thought 
that the machine was sealed and could not be upgraded. But maybe I'm 
thinking of something else. If it can be upgraded then I might consider 
doing so later on (that $100 just isn't in the picture for now).

 

>
>
>- Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with 
>Catalina and the replacement for iTunes?
>
>
> No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. I’d 
> definitely do some research first!
>
>
>- I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external 
>partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the 
>impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, 
>though I forget why that’s the case
>
>
> ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a 
> MS-DOS volume it won’t work.
>

The backup drive isn't MS-DOS so on that score it should be okay. But I 
have a dim memory that because the backup is partitioned (one for the HD, 
one for the iTunes drive) Time Machine wouldn't work...something about 
having to select the "drive" at the time of backup, but again it's been 
quite a while so I'm not sure.

 

>
>
>- Will that backup strategy continue to work with Catalina, or will 
>Time Machine be the way to go? Or will backing up be handled differently 
>now?
>
>
> I’ve seen no indication that Apple’s abandoning Time Machine any time soon 
> (although there have been under-the-hood changes with Catalina ) but 
> external drive backups like you’re describing are straight forward Finder 
> disk copies, so that’s not going away either.
>
> -- 
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> College of Pharmacy
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>
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>
>
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Re: Logitech trackball weirdness

[Valter Psicof]

>My M570 wireless trackball began making a single click behave like a
>double-click a while ago. It¹s very maddening.

I had this happening to several mice, when they become old.

I think it's the microswitch becoming faulty/unreliable, hence when you
press the button it clicks, then it "loses" the pressure and re-engage it
an istant later, so it looks like a double click.

If that's the case, the only solution would be changing the microswitch.
If you're handy with electronics it could be doable, but not easy.
Another option would be swapping the board holding the microswitch from
another unit.

>The Logitech site only seems to talk about this in the Windows world.

Since the problem seems hardware-related, any solution should work
regardless of operating system.

Come to think of it, you could change Mouse options in System preferences:
setting "Double click speed" to a slow setting, it could possibly avoid
sensing the "click-lose-click" as a double click. Try the slowest setting
first.

HTH
Valter


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Re: Catalina vs. iTunes: some questions

[Bruce Johnson]

On Oct 23, 2019, at 3:41 AM, William Spencer 
mailto:wspence...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi there: I have not yet installed Catalina and need to know a couple of things 
first, please:


  *   I currently keep iTunes on a separate, external HD due to the fact that 
there’s not enough room for it on the main HD (capacity 250GB, but iTunes 
currently uses a bit over 500GB)
  *   Will Catalina understand and maintain that separation?

I see no reason why it shouldn’t. This information is stored in the iTunes 
database, presuming you’re running the current pre-Catalina version.

That said, if you’re speaking of the Mac Mini in your sig, it’s only moderately 
difficult to swap in a 1 Tb SSD (currently ~$100) which neatly solves the whole 
space issue.


  *   Will my classic iPod (the last model they made) still work with Catalina 
and the replacement for iTunes?

No idea, but if it works with iTunes in OS X 10.14, I expect it might. I’d 
definitely do some research first!


  *   I back up iTunes (& everything else) to another separate, external 
partitioned HD using Carbon Copy Cloner because I have been under the 
impression that Time Machine can't handle the separate HD for iTunes, though I 
forget why that’s the case

ISTR Time Machine can only back up HFS+ or APD volumes, so if it’s a MS-DOS 
volume it won’t work.


  *   Will that backup strategy continue to work with Catalina, or will Time 
Machine be the way to go? Or will backing up be handled differently now?

I’ve seen no indication that Apple’s abandoning Time Machine any time soon 
(although there have been under-the-hood changes with Catalina ) but external 
drive backups like you’re describing are straight forward Finder disk copies, 
so that’s not going away either.

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Re: My 04 e-mac makes a loud repetitive warning gong. My password won't load, it's crowded out by a phantom password.

[NODEraser]

Have you tried unplugging your USB devices? A stuck key or
malfunctioning device might be sending erroneous input.

On Fri, May 17, 2019 at 5:23 AM Dave Sheppard  wrote:
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> As above. I am running Panther to utilize files I have going back to the 
> 90's. I also use Pagemaker for file creation and modification in classic mode.
> I
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Re: Need A Little Advice Please

[Jim Scott]

Fred,

Still messing with those old iMacs, huh? I must have gone through 3-400 of 
those guys back when I was fixing them up and giving them away to schools and 
kids. Gave away 1,000 from 2002 until 2015. Then I had back surgery and no 
longer could lift those old, heavy iMacs, eMacs, G3 AIOs, G5 towers, etc.

One thing that I didn’t put in my description, because it hadn’t appeared at 
the time, is the little rubber band-type drive belt that motivates those 
rollers. The belt gets glazed and should be removed and cleaned too. Isopropyl 
alcohol (91%, preferably) will work. Also, clean the little pulleys. That 
almost always takes care of the drives that don’t quite perform perfectly every 
time. 

On the other hand, those drives are almost old enough to vote and buy booze in 
some states, and nothing that moves keeps working forever. (When is the last 
time you saw a perpetual motion machine?)

Jim

> On Apr 25, 2019, at 8:20 PM, Fred Potter  wrote:
> 
> Jim — Thanks from the future for these wonderfully detailed instructions.  I 
> just used to them to attempt a repair on a 1999 iMac which would almost 
> always fail to eject.  
> 
> It was partial success in my case.  About half the time I'll get a complete 
> ejection now, and the other times the disc comes out just enough to grab it 
> and pull it the rest of the way.  I think my biggest problem isn't worn 
> rollers, but rather that the rubber rollers aren't snug on the metal dowel 
> and they sometimes spin freely.  
> 
> Best,
> Fred
> 
> On Wednesday, March 8, 2006 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-8, Jim Scott wrote:
> 
> On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Thunder 1 wrote:
> >
> > I will be cracking the case and extracting the CD from the slot- 
> > loading
> > drive, and will also attempt to clean the rollers(?) on the drive.
> > I've downloaded
> > a file to guide me in tearing the computer apart and putting it back
> > together
> > again. I figure that as long as I'm taking this baby apart, I will
> > check/replace
> > other items at the same time (RAM, Battery). A few questions that I
> > would
> > like answered first, if anyone can help:
> >
> > 1. What is the nominal output voltage of the battery? Suggested
> > replacement voltage?
> > (I know I saw answers to this question somewhere on some list a while
> > back, but can't
> > seem to find the link ...). If I need to replace it, any particular
> > type/brand/store I should
> > look at?
> >
> > 2. The CUDA switch: What is it and what does it do, exactly? Do I need
> > to reset
> > the CUDA before putting my iMac back together again?
> >
> Bill,
> 
> 1. It's a 1/2 AA battery, 3.6 V nominal output. A new one will test  
> out at about 3.7 V. Any brand 1/2 AA with 3.6 V nominal output will  
> work. Radio Shack carries them, and all kinds of vendors sell them  
> online as "computer clock batteries".
> 
> 2. Once you get the bottom cover and the perforated shield off,  
> you'll be looking straight at the logic board. The CUDA button is  
> just below the battery and on line with the RAM slots on the left  
> side of the board. On all 350-700 G3 iMac logic boards I've seen,  
> it's a tiny black button in a very small silver case. It's always a  
> good idea to push the CUDA button after replacing the PRAM battery,  
> or any component. It resets the logic board to factory defaults, and  
> causes the logic board to identify every component on first reboot  
> after a reset. This comes in very handy when you replace a hard  
> drive. Replacing the PRAM battery almost does the same thing, but it  
> doesn't reset the logic board.
> 
> 3. You'll need to disconnect the IDE cable from the logic board, and  
> the power cable from the hard drive. Remove the 4 screws holding the  
> HD/CD drive carrier to the aluminum divider panel and remove the  
> carrier. Pay attention to how the CD drive comes out of the carrier  
> after you remove the 4 screws that hold it in place. Use pieces of  
> marked masking tape to help you get everything oriented properly on  
> assembly.
> 
> 4. I've taken apart quite a few CD/DVD drives in slotload iMacs. It's  
> really very simple to do. First, remove the two screws holding the CD  
> drive IDE adapter to the CD case at the back. Then remove the two  
> tiny brass-colored screws, one on each corner near the front of the  
> case on the sides. You'll need a very small Phillips screwdriver with  
> a fat handle to get the screws out. Don't strip the heads! With the 4  
> screws out, gently use a thumbnail to pry the top cover apart from  
> the bottom of the CD casing at the very front on each side. Voila!  
> The top cover comes up and off in a smooth lifting motion toward the  
> back of the CD drive. Note how the three projections fit into slots  
> at the back.
> 
> Set aside the cover. Now comes the tricky part. In order to get at  
> the split and tapered drive roller that injects and ejects CDs, you  
> must disconnect two very tiny springs on either side of that metal  
> cover 

Re: Need A Little Advice Please

[Fred Potter]

Jim — Thanks from the future for these wonderfully detailed instructions. 
 I just used to them to attempt a repair on a 1999 iMac which would almost 
always fail to eject.  

It was partial success in my case.  About half the time I'll get a complete 
ejection now, and the other times the disc comes out just enough to grab it 
and pull it the rest of the way.  I think my biggest problem isn't worn 
rollers, but rather that the rubber rollers aren't snug on the metal dowel 
and they sometimes spin freely.  

Best,
Fred

On Wednesday, March 8, 2006 at 6:08:19 PM UTC-8, Jim Scott wrote:
>
>
> On Mar 8, 2006, at 2:05 PM, Thunder 1 wrote:
> >
> > I will be cracking the case and extracting the CD from the slot- 
> > loading
> > drive, and will also attempt to clean the rollers(?) on the drive.
> > I've downloaded
> > a file to guide me in tearing the computer apart and putting it back
> > together
> > again. I figure that as long as I'm taking this baby apart, I will
> > check/replace
> > other items at the same time (RAM, Battery). A few questions that I
> > would
> > like answered first, if anyone can help:
> >
> > 1. What is the nominal output voltage of the battery? Suggested
> > replacement voltage?
> > (I know I saw answers to this question somewhere on some list a while
> > back, but can't
> > seem to find the link ...). If I need to replace it, any particular
> > type/brand/store I should
> > look at?
> >
> > 2. The CUDA switch: What is it and what does it do, exactly? Do I need
> > to reset
> > the CUDA before putting my iMac back together again?
> >
>
> Bill,
>
> 1. It's a 1/2 AA battery, 3.6 V nominal output. A new one will test  
> out at about 3.7 V. Any brand 1/2 AA with 3.6 V nominal output will  
> work. Radio Shack carries them, and all kinds of vendors sell them  
> online as "computer clock batteries".
>
> 2. Once you get the bottom cover and the perforated shield off,  
> you'll be looking straight at the logic board. The CUDA button is  
> just below the battery and on line with the RAM slots on the left  
> side of the board. On all 350-700 G3 iMac logic boards I've seen,  
> it's a tiny black button in a very small silver case. It's always a  
> good idea to push the CUDA button after replacing the PRAM battery,  
> or any component. It resets the logic board to factory defaults, and  
> causes the logic board to identify every component on first reboot  
> after a reset. This comes in very handy when you replace a hard  
> drive. Replacing the PRAM battery almost does the same thing, but it  
> doesn't reset the logic board.
>
> 3. You'll need to disconnect the IDE cable from the logic board, and  
> the power cable from the hard drive. Remove the 4 screws holding the  
> HD/CD drive carrier to the aluminum divider panel and remove the  
> carrier. Pay attention to how the CD drive comes out of the carrier  
> after you remove the 4 screws that hold it in place. Use pieces of  
> marked masking tape to help you get everything oriented properly on  
> assembly.
>
> 4. I've taken apart quite a few CD/DVD drives in slotload iMacs. It's  
> really very simple to do. First, remove the two screws holding the CD  
> drive IDE adapter to the CD case at the back. Then remove the two  
> tiny brass-colored screws, one on each corner near the front of the  
> case on the sides. You'll need a very small Phillips screwdriver with  
> a fat handle to get the screws out. Don't strip the heads! With the 4  
> screws out, gently use a thumbnail to pry the top cover apart from  
> the bottom of the CD casing at the very front on each side. Voila!  
> The top cover comes up and off in a smooth lifting motion toward the  
> back of the CD drive. Note how the three projections fit into slots  
> at the back.
>
> Set aside the cover. Now comes the tricky part. In order to get at  
> the split and tapered drive roller that injects and ejects CDs, you  
> must disconnect two very tiny springs on either side of that metal  
> cover above the roller. I use a very tiny jeweler's slot screwdriver.  
> I slide it into the top loop where the spring fits into a notch in a  
> black plastic; I gently lift the spring and slide it off the catch.  
> Once both sides are free, I raise the metal piece a bit and pull it  
> out of slots on either side.
>
> There are all kinds of recommendations for cleaners, most with the  
> words "rubber rejuvenator" or similar descriptions in them. I use a  
> commercial product called "Goof Off", which is found in just about  
> any hardware store. I open a window for ventilation because the  
> stuff's pretty potent-smelling. Using as lint-free a cloth as I can  
> find (usually a small piece of old T-shirt), I rotate each piece of  
> the split rubber roller with a finger while wiping off the embedded  
> lint, dust and who knows what until the roller is nice and black  
> again and somewhat "tacky".  Wipe off the rectangular felt piece on  
> the underside of the assembly you 

Re: Early 2009 iMac with Sierra (unsupported)-Brightness won't work

[TEK-SERVE EXPRESS]

Hello! I have the same issue. The Brightness Star App has fixed the 
brightness issue. It does have a checkbox were you can check for it to 
start as your system starts. If that dosent work you can always use 
SystemPreferences>Users>LogInItems>"+"> then search on the 
Applications for the Brightness Star Apps. This will enable the ap to start 
at system Boot. 
Hope It Helps!
-HighSierra Patcher rules!

On Wednesday, July 12, 2017 at 9:16:46 AM UTC-4, fishj...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> iMac 9,1 w/Sierra-brightness not working 
>
> Hi all,
>
> I have an Early 2009 iMac that was running El Capitan. I used the Sierra 
> Patcher to install Sierra (10.12.5) on this machine (not supported by 
> Apple).
>
> The install seems to be working fine with one exception--I no longer have 
> control of the Brightness on the screen--either through the keyboard or 
> through the system prefs.
>
> After searching the Sierra Patcher info and other internet forums, I can 
> see that this is an issue with this particular iMac--especially if the 
> display have been replaced previously. I have NOT replaced mine, and still 
> have my original display.
>
> Ihave found some workarounds (install Brightness Slider), but no real fix. 
> Brightness Slider works, but it has to be adjusted each time I (or any 
> member of my family logs in.
>
>  
>
> From further reading, it sounds like there may be another solution that 
> may require a higher technical proficiency than I have. However, I am 
> hoping that someone can explain the solution so that I can follow it and 
> implement it. Or perhaps someone can point me to a place that clearly 
> explains how to fix this.
>
> Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
> Joe
>
> Early 2009 iMac-original display   Sierra 10.12.5
>
> 2.66 GHz Intel Core 2 Duo
>
> 8 GB 1067 MHz DDR3
>
> NVIDIA GeForce 9400 256 MB
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Re: Digest for imaclist@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic

[Mark Syder]

I have a Samsung blu-ray writer - model SE-560. I’ve just checked on Amazon
and it seems to have been discontinued, but updated versions are available.

I recommend it - it reads and writes CDs, DVDs, and blu-rays (you’ll
probably need Toast to make blu-rays).

Mark

On 1 July 2018 at 10:53, Colin Yarwood  wrote:

> Apple SuperDrive will do too! In fact made to measure Model A1378. I have
> one for and use it with PowerBook Pro, iMac 2012 which has a slot too but
> not with the same flexibility.
>
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> Michael Angell : Jun 30 02:49PM -0600
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> I am runing Mac OS X 10.13.5 (High Sierra) on a 2015 iMac (m that has no
> slots for a CD! Is tis typical for that model,
>
> or is that the current state of the art? It has several (4?) USB ports on
> back, so there must be an external drive that can Read and Write, but I don
> 't know even what to list/look for. Any sugestions or advice would be
> extremely appreciated.
>
>
>
> Michael Angell
>
> mang...@comcast.net
> "Bruce Johnson" : Jul 01 04:08AM
>
> pretty much any USB DVD rw will work. They’re dirt cheap:
> https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+dvdrw=safari=
> en=lnms=shop=X=0ahUKEwimuNasg_
> 3bAhXpllQKHZZcC0MQ_AUICigB=1963=1296
>
> Mine at work is a slotloader I scavenged from an old defunct powerbook,
> put into an external USB case I picked up for $10. God for the rare
> occasions we ever use them anymore.
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Re: Digest for imaclist@googlegroups.com - 2 updates in 1 topic

[Colin Yarwood]

Apple SuperDrive will do too! In fact made to measure Model A1378. I have one 
for and use it with PowerBook Pro, iMac 2012 which has a slot too but not with 
the same flexibility. 

Colin in UK
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Michael Angell : Jun 30 02:49PM -0600 

I am runing Mac OS X 10.13.5 (High Sierra) on a  2015 iMac (m that has no slots 
for a CD! Is tis typical for that model,
 
or is that the current state of the art? It has several (4?) USB ports on back, 
so there must be an external drive that can Read and Write, but I don 't know 
even what to list/look for. Any sugestions or advice would be extremely 
appreciated. 
 

 
Michael Angell
 
mang...@comcast.net
"Bruce Johnson" : Jul 01 04:08AM 

pretty much any USB DVD rw will work. They’re dirt cheap: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+dvdrw=safari=en=lnms=shop=X=0ahUKEwimuNasg_3bAhXpllQKHZZcC0MQ_AUICigB=1963=1296
 
Mine at work is a slotloader I scavenged from an old defunct powerbook, put 
into an external USB case I picked up for $10. God for the rare occasions we 
ever use them anymore.
 
 
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Re: CD/Disk Drive needed

[Bruce Johnson]

pretty much any USB DVD rw will work. They’re dirt cheap: 
https://www.google.com/search?q=usb+dvdrw=safari=en=lnms=shop=X=0ahUKEwimuNasg_3bAhXpllQKHZZcC0MQ_AUICigB=1963=1296

Mine at work is a slotloader I scavenged from an old defunct powerbook, put 
into an external USB case I picked up for $10. God for the rare occasions we 
ever use them anymore.

> On Jun 30, 2018, at 1:49 PM, Michael Angell  wrote:
> 
> I am runing Mac OS X 10.13.5 (High Sierra) on a  2015 iMac (m  that has no 
> slots for a CD! Is tis typical for that model,
> 
> or is that the current state of the art? It has several (4?) USB ports on 
> back, so there must be an external drive that can Read and Write, but I don 
> 't know even what to list/look for. Any sugestions or advice would be 
> extremely appreciated.  
> 
>   
>   
>   
>   
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> Michael Angell
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Re: symantec

[Bruce Johnson]

Symantec has this but I don’t know what version it’s for. 
https://support.symantec.com/en_US/article.TECH132120.html

On Jun 29, 2018, at 9:31 AM, R. A. Cantrell 
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Hey Bruce,
  Glad to see you are still around. Running 10.4.11, no disks 
at hand.

All the best,

On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Bruce Johnson 
mailto:john...@pharmacy.arizona.edu>> wrote:


On Jun 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, R. A. Cantrell 
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Listers,
  I have not owned a desktop Mac for some time. I recently acquired an 
iMac G5 1.8 and it has Symantec installed. How can I get rid of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfPyreR_sE  8-)

Personally I’ve never acquired a used Mac that I didn’t reformat the disk and 
re-install everything right off the bat; that would definitely get rid of it.

What OS is it running? OS X? OS 9?  Symantec version? Do you have an 
installable os disk?

If not, look for an uninstaller with the application, or in OS X in the 
/Library/Application Support folder for Symantec



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Re: symantec

[R. A. Cantrell]

Hey Bruce,
  Glad to see you are still around. Running 10.4.11, no disks 
at hand.

All the best,

> On Jun 29, 2018, at 11:10 AM, Bruce Johnson  
> wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Jun 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, R. A. Cantrell  wrote:
>> 
>> Listers,
>>   I have not owned a desktop Mac for some time. I recently acquired 
>> an iMac G5 1.8 and it has Symantec installed. How can I get rid of it?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfPyreR_sE  8-)
> 
> Personally I’ve never acquired a used Mac that I didn’t reformat the disk and 
> re-install everything right off the bat; that would definitely get rid of it. 
> 
> What OS is it running? OS X? OS 9?  Symantec version? Do you have an 
> installable os disk? 
> 
> If not, look for an uninstaller with the application, or in OS X in the 
> /Library/Application Support folder for Symantec 
> 
> 
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Re: symantec

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On Jun 29, 2018, at 6:40 AM, R. A. Cantrell 
mailto:rac...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Listers,
  I have not owned a desktop Mac for some time. I recently acquired an 
iMac G5 1.8 and it has Symantec installed. How can I get rid of it?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfPyreR_sE  8-)

Personally I’ve never acquired a used Mac that I didn’t reformat the disk and 
re-install everything right off the bat; that would definitely get rid of it.

What OS is it running? OS X? OS 9?  Symantec version? Do you have an 
installable os disk?

If not, look for an uninstaller with the application, or in OS X in the 
/Library/Application Support folder for Symantec



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Re: I need help with my 2002 imac G4 17" all in one desktop

[375GTB]

Re-install OS-10.4 Tiger ppc

or  hack of 10.5 Leopard ppc

Or some flavor of Linux Ubuntu ppc.

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>
> > On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Lacie Govan  wrote:
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> > Ok it's running on os x 10.4 tiger and I was able to make it passed the
> password problem I reset it then it went to a welcome screen and asks a few
> questions one of the questions is how do I connect to internet well I only
> have a mobile hotspot and no matter what I select I can't get passed this
> problem. And so sorry I'm completely stupid when it comes to technology.
>
> You may be able to see the mobile hotspot as a WiFi connection, although
> some of the ones I’ve seen require using some sort of client application.
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Re: What is the lock port on my imac computer?

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It's for a security device commonly known as a Kensington lock.

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Re: What is the lock port on my imac computer?

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It’s the spot you can attach some sort of security lock: 
https://support.apple.com/en-us/ht204392 (see all the way at the bottom)

Like this : 
https://www.compulocks.com/imac-security-cable-lock-cl37-four-dial-combo-lock.html



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Re: What is the lock port on my imac computer?

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Re: I need help with my 2002 imac G4 17" all in one desktop

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> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:52 PM, Lacie Govan  wrote:
> 
> Ok it's running on os x 10.4 tiger and I was able to make it passed the 
> password problem I reset it then it went to a welcome screen and asks a few 
> questions one of the questions is how do I connect to internet well I only 
> have a mobile hotspot and no matter what I select I can't get passed this 
> problem. And so sorry I'm completely stupid when it comes to technology.

You may be able to see the mobile hotspot as a WiFi connection, although some 
of the ones I’ve seen require using some sort of client application. Your 
particular hot spot should have come with directions of some sort.

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Re: I need help with my 2002 imac G4 17" all in one desktop

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On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:48 PM, Josh Juran wrote:

> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:01 PM, Will go  wrote:
> 
>> I inherited this imac and tried to get on it but I have no idea what the 
>> password is and the only person who knows the password is no longer with us 
>> is there anything I can do to get passed this or is it just trash now?
> 
> 

You can boot it with any install disc up to 10.4 and maybe 10.5 and use the 
utility menu to change or eliminate password.


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Re: I need help with my 2002 imac G4 17" all in one desktop

[Lacie Govan]

Ok it's running on os x 10.4 tiger and I was able to make it passed the
password problem I reset it then it went to a welcome screen and asks a few
questions one of the questions is how do I connect to internet well I only
have a mobile hotspot and no matter what I select I can't get passed this
problem. And so sorry I'm completely stupid when it comes to technology.

On Fri, Jun 22, 2018, 11:48 PM Josh Juran  wrote:

> On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:01 PM, Will go  wrote:
>
> > I inherited this imac and tried to get on it but I have no idea what the
> password is and the only person who knows the password is no longer with us
> is there anything I can do to get passed this or is it just trash now?
>
> It would help if you provided some basic information like what operating
> system it's running.  If it happens to be Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther", you may
> be in luck.  If not, I'm sure you can locate the corresponding recipe now
> that you know what to look for.
>
> Reset OS X Panther password without the Install CD
>
> https://miketelahun.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/reset-os-x-panther-password-without-the-install-cd/
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> Alternatively, you can reinstall the OS.  (I'm assuming you're referring
> to a login password rather than a disk encryption password.)
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Re: I need help with my 2002 imac G4 17" all in one desktop

[Josh Juran]

On Jun 22, 2018, at 9:01 PM, Will go  wrote:

> I inherited this imac and tried to get on it but I have no idea what the 
> password is and the only person who knows the password is no longer with us 
> is there anything I can do to get passed this or is it just trash now?

It would help if you provided some basic information like what operating system 
it's running.  If it happens to be Mac OS X 10.3 "Panther", you may be in luck. 
 If not, I'm sure you can locate the corresponding recipe now that you know 
what to look for.

Reset OS X Panther password without the Install CD
https://miketelahun.wordpress.com/2012/11/08/reset-os-x-panther-password-without-the-install-cd/

Alternatively, you can reinstall the OS.  (I'm assuming you're referring to a 
login password rather than a disk encryption password.)

Josh

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Re: new modem for Comcast and Airport Extreme

[Jim Scott]

I replaced a last-generation Time Capsule and 4 Airport Express units with a 
Netgear Orbi and two Orbi satellites. Finally, we’ve got stable, reliable and 
fast wi-fi (100 mbps) everywhere in our 2-story house, garage and yard. 
Firmware upgrades have made Orbi the wi-fi mesh network to beat. Do an online 
search for “wi-fi mesh networks” and study up. Apple has abandoned us yet 
again, but the good news is that the new mesh network devices are far superior 
to any outdated Airport device, and at a reasonable cost. 
Jim Scott, Eureka, CA

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> On May 28, 2018, at 2:52 PM, janesprando@comcast  
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> Comcast has sent me a new xFI Gateway modem (we have Internet, TV and 
> Telephone with them).
> 
> My iMac is at one end of the house --- near a window and outside wall. The 
> Internet does not reach the whole house nor upstairs. I have 1 Airport 
> Express a few open rooms away from the Extreme. It helps, but marginally, 
> even though there are open spaces beyond the Express.
> 
> I have the Comcast modem connects >iMac.
> Airport Extreme connects > modem
> Airport Extreme - Airport Express
> 
> My question is since Apple is discontinuing internet devices, should I go 
> ahead and unhook the Airport Extreme? 
> 
> Suggestions?
> 
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Re: Why did I receive the post about a Saudi Billionaire and the US Senate?

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

Email client ?

Ha Ha Ha Ha !

Deletion will not prevent further  spam from that source.

So sad about the added traffic. relevant or not. Waking dogs is risky.

z

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On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 2:48 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> It is trivially easy to forge the visible ‘From’ address on any email;
> this is, after all, why I apparently send myself spam all the time 8-)
> Email addresses are harvestable from all sorts of places (or heck even just
> synthesized. Back when we had a more hands-on approach to managing spam
> here we would routinely see long lists of names with ‘@
> pharmacy.arizona.edu’ attached, regardless of whether or not the accounts
> referenced actually existed. )
>
> If you have enabled junk filters in your mail client (and/or use any of
> the online email services, who also tend to have effective spam filtering)
> the next most effective anti-spam strategery is: the delete key. delete it
> and move on. I vaguely remember seeing something like this email, to be
> honest I didn’t even really pay attention to what folder it landed in
> (which would be related to the list address per my account rules), just
> went “Well this is dumb” and hit the delete key.
>
> More traffic is usually generated on mailing lists complaining about
> errant spam than the actual spam itself, often by several orders of
> magnitude.
>
>
> On May 16, 2018, at 5:49 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio 
> wrote:
>
> I visited the iMac list page ( which Google calls a group )
>
> I do not see anything on there about a Saudi .
>
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Re: Why did I receive the post about a Saudi Billionaire and the US Senate?

[Eric Volker]

I'm seeing this Saudi post as well, so it's not just Colin. Since he's on
Gmail like I am, I guess it's some kind of Gmail spam?? GMail is usually
excellent at filtering out garbage...

On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 1:48 PM, Bruce Johnson  wrote:

> It is trivially easy to forge the visible ‘From’ address on any email;
> this is, after all, why I apparently send myself spam all the time 8-)
> Email addresses are harvestable from all sorts of places (or heck even just
> synthesized. Back when we had a more hands-on approach to managing spam
> here we would routinely see long lists of names with ‘@
> pharmacy.arizona.edu’ attached, regardless of whether or not the accounts
> referenced actually existed. )
>
> If you have enabled junk filters in your mail client (and/or use any of
> the online email services, who also tend to have effective spam filtering)
> the next most effective anti-spam strategery is: the delete key. delete it
> and move on. I vaguely remember seeing something like this email, to be
> honest I didn’t even really pay attention to what folder it landed in
> (which would be related to the list address per my account rules), just
> went “Well this is dumb” and hit the delete key.
>
> More traffic is usually generated on mailing lists complaining about
> errant spam than the actual spam itself, often by several orders of
> magnitude.
>
>
> On May 16, 2018, at 5:49 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio 
> wrote:
>
> I visited the iMac list page ( which Google calls a group )
>
> I do not see anything on there about a Saudi .
>
>
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Re: Why did I receive the post about a Saudi Billionaire and the US Senate?

[Bruce Johnson]

It is trivially easy to forge the visible ‘From’ address on any email; this is, 
after all, why I apparently send myself spam all the time 8-) Email addresses 
are harvestable from all sorts of places (or heck even just synthesized. Back 
when we had a more hands-on approach to managing spam here we would routinely 
see long lists of names with ‘@pharmacy.arizona.edu’ attached, regardless of 
whether or not the accounts referenced actually existed. )

If you have enabled junk filters in your mail client (and/or use any of the 
online email services, who also tend to have effective spam filtering) the next 
most effective anti-spam strategery is: the delete key. delete it and move on. 
I vaguely remember seeing something like this email, to be honest I didn’t even 
really pay attention to what folder it landed in (which would be related to the 
list address per my account rules), just went “Well this is dumb” and hit the 
delete key.

More traffic is usually generated on mailing lists complaining about errant 
spam than the actual spam itself, often by several orders of magnitude.


On May 16, 2018, at 5:49 PM, W.Adrian D'Alessio 
> wrote:

I visited the iMac list page ( which Google calls a group )

I do not see anything on there about a Saudi .

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Re: Why did I receive the post about a Saudi Billionaire and the US Senate?

[Russell Courtenay]

Darn, I knew I was missing something! :P
Russell Courtenay

Sent from my old iMac

> On May 16, 2018, at 9:08 PM, Tom Coradeschi  wrote:
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> Pretty safe to say you did not receive it from this list. If you visit the 
> list archives at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/imaclist, you will 
> not find it there.
> 
>> On 16 May 2018, at 7:57 AM, Colin P D Yarwood  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> 
>> C
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Re: Why did I receive the post about a Saudi Billionaire and the US Senate?

[W.Adrian D'Alessio]

I visited the iMac list page ( which Google calls a group )

I do not see anything on there about a Saudi .

You can assume your email addy was copped from Google and is now
hacker/marketer property.

Handle it like spam. Check the full address from where it was sent. you may
find a clue as to the true origin. LEM filters quite well, so I am fairly
confident that while it may say the name of the list it is a spoofed send.
Try using whatever clues you find to filter as spam and take any other anti
spam measures you feel are appropriate.


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On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 8:00 PM, Ryan Waldon 
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> Good question, I was wondering that myself. The last time I asked why I
> had received what was clearly an inappropriate post, I was basically told
> to sit down and shut up by the moderator.
>
> - Ryan
>
> Sent from my Apple iPad Pro 
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> > On May 16, 2018, at 07:57, Colin P D Yarwood 
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Re: Why did I receive the post about a Saudi Billionaire and the US Senate?

[Tom Coradeschi]

Pretty safe to say you did not receive it from this list. If you visit the list 
archives at https://groups.google.com/forum/#!forum/imaclist, you will not find 
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> On 16 May 2018, at 7:57 AM, Colin P D Yarwood  wrote:
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Re: Why did I receive the post about a Saudi Billionaire and the US Senate?

[Ryan Waldon]

Good question, I was wondering that myself. The last time I asked why I had 
received what was clearly an inappropriate post, I was basically told to sit 
down and shut up by the moderator.

- Ryan 

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Re: Migration Worked but not Keychain Local Items

[Bruce Johnson]

I believe you can import the keychain file from the old iMac:

https://discussions.apple.com/thread/7875747


> On Apr 14, 2018, at 9:27 AM, Al Poulin  wrote:
> 
> Using Setup Assistant, I migrated from my old iMac (24-inch, Early 2009) with 
> El Capitan 10.11.6 to a new iMac (Retina 5K, 27-inch, 2017) initially with 
> Sierra and now upgraded to High Sierra 10.13.4.
> 
> 
> 
> All is well except for Keychain. Most Local Items did not transfer. Is this 
> to be expected?
> 
> 
> 
> Is there an easy way to pull my old Local Items keychain? Or must I rebuild 
> the list manually?
> 
> 
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Al Poulin
> 
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