[JOYnet] Re: Priests Chastity
Dear Bros and Sisters, We were hearing and reading many facts and figures which happened with our priests and religious. I believe these are the signboards which lead us to pray more for clergy. We just not pray only, but love them as we do with our dear once daily. In my personal life I do practice one thing: to pray for our beloved Pope and Priests I made a practice, everyday when I brush my teeth I remember them and pray for them, very beginning of the day and during night too. I started this practice long back. I do forget to pray for my parents and dears every morning but not for priests and religious. I used to intercede for many vital things daily connecting them to many routine practices in our daily life. May our Lord bless us to have a very good relationship with Priests and Religious. For the kingdom of God they put aside the privilege of being in a family of closely loved once and enjoy the affection and protection, to celebrate the life in different occasions. I noticed in many churches, after the Holy Mass everybody recite a prayer dedicating our priests to the Sacred Heart of Jesus. I just love to follow that prayer even though I don't know it byheart. With love Georly/Muscat === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: CHICAGO RETREAT
hi friends, this coming weekend (fri evening, all day Sat and Sun) we will be having our parish retreat here in Chicago at Syro Malabar Church led by Fr. Augustine Valooran and his team-- Glen and Teresa from Potta... we are so excited and have been praying fervently for months for this retreat... please keep us in your prayers this weekend b/c we really need your prayers!!! please pray for achan and his team that the Holy Spirit fill them continuously!!! please also pray that all the people in chicago feel the calling to come to this great occasion of the sharing of the Word, that their hearts be stirred by the power of the Holy Spirit, and that they receive the healing (physical, emotional, most especially spiritual) that they are longing for in their lives!!! it is such a great blessed occasion and i don't want anyone in Chicago to miss out on this opportunity with all your prayers, i have great faith that the retreat will be successful!!! Luv n Prayers, Bincy :=) CHICAGO _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] AMERICA ON WAR...........AND WE???????
Dear All, I am forwarding the e-mail from Jyothini (an animator of the JY in the USA) as a balanced outlook on the current situation. The debate was on both in the JYA list and the Joy Net. Being Christians, we have established our position which is clearly alongside the Pope John Paul II. What else should we do? For one, we should pray. It is the most powerful weapon we can use. Also, remember that we are not fighting against mere flesh and blood, but against the powers of darkness that dwell in the heavenly regions. In stead of merely protesting against all that is evil, we should be proactive and try to eradicate the root causes, such as injustice etc. We could try to become more just in our behavior and dealings with others and the society. There are thousand and one ways to do that in our lives. Another thing we can do as a group of people who possess a lot of talents and capabilities is to try to evangelize the audio-visual media in all its forms. We could do a lot by creating good music, shows, cartoons, stories, novels, movies, computer games, comic strips, shows etc. and replace the violent and immoral stuff that is abundant in the audio-visual media that promotes violence and immorality in the people, especially the young and the little ones. Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, new Jersey, USA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear JY's There are many sides to this war. We can debate it as much as we want. We are allowed to have a difference of opinions. As I watch T.V and listen to the news, I am really saddened by the situation also. I remember the first war, I was about 14, it was before I really knew the Lord. I remember my dad, my mom and my sister sitting in front of the T.V. Even though the war was so far away, I felt like it was right outside. I went to the room where we usually pray and sat before the Lord and just cried. This time as my husband watch T.V, I went to Lord, the Lord who offered us peace, at the moment he was born and throughout His Life till the moment he ascended into heaven, the Lord who even today offers us peace and begged him to give us that peace. When I went to India, for college, in 1996, many of my roommates were from Kuwait. They shared with me their experience. I was really shocked. I never knew how much they had to go through. As we sit and debate, our fellow brothers and sisters are hiding and running for the lives. Many families are being separated while we are sleeping. Meanwhile, we are safe and secure, going about our daily business, school, work...etc. I don't know whose side is right. We can only see and hear what is said and shown to us. But our Lord knows the hearts and minds of our leaders. Trust in Him. Please pray for the people of Iraq and neighboring nations. Pray for the soldiers and their families on both sides. Pray for all the leaders, especially Bush and Saddam. Pray for the end of this war and the re-establishment of peace. God bless us all Jyothni, NY === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: Temptation-Lenten thought
hi friends, this sun at the Syro Malabar church in Chicago we heard one of the best homilies by Fr. Abraham Vetuvaylil. my ears, eyes, mind and heart were glued to the Spirit speaking thru achan. it is hard to share everything but i would like to mention the thoughts that struck me most. Achan was saying that TEMPTATION has 3 manifestations: 1. the devil brings forth a PROPOSAL to you. (just like he did to Jesus in the desert) 2. your initial reaction to the proposal-- do you take DELIGHT or DISGUST in the proposal. 3. finally your end action in regards to the proposal-- do you ACCEPT or REJECT the proposal. when a person gets tempted he undergoes these 3 aspects. it is not easy to deny/decline tempting offers. however, thru enduring/persevering PRAYER we can be graced with the gift of FAITH which will Spirit guide us to OBEDIENCE to the Lord's will!!! also achan was asking us a question which is one we all can reflect on during the rest of Lent-- what will we accept today--- the APPLE offered by the devil (world's luxuries) or PARADISE offered by our SAVIOR (the heavenly rewards/ the Kingdom)... the answer is not so easy always and we don't always make the right choices in life or act according to what we know to be right--depending on our circumstances/situations.. however again enduring/persevering/consistent prayerlife will lead us to make the RIGHT DECISION in accordance with GOD's WILL for us!!! Luv n Prayers, Bincy :=) Chicago _ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: bandaging the wounds of CHRIST (innocence)
Hi friends, this last sun evening, i was blessed to be invited to a birthday prayer gathering at the home of one of our Christeen youths in Chicago. all the JYC were there also and it was wonderful, prayerful fellowship!!! the prayer was conducted in their family room and we all faced the fireplace where on the ledge there was large picture of Jesus with His hands stretched out... you couldn't see the stigmata marks in the palms..i thought i was seeing things on the picture that were not there (hallucinating???).. then my friend Jojo whispers to me, see the bandage? see the bandage on Jesus? i was like oh my goodness he too saw the bandages so they must be there. there were two bandages placed on the palms of Jesus to cover the Crucifixion marks/stigmata... we asked the mom of the house, did you know there are bandages on Jesus. she told us that the birthday boy who was 7 had placed the bandages on Jesus when he was younger b/c he did not want Jesus to bleed or hurt at all and he won't remove them even now! i was totally speechless/dumbfounded/humbled beyond words!!! this little boy cared so much for the pain of Jesus and was willing to go to such an extraordinary measure to care for Jesus' wounds... i wondered how much i was willing to do/ how much i had done to bandage Jesus up? well this little boy's innocence/purity/love has on the one hand put me to shame but on the other hand it has inspired me to do more for the LORD--to help others heal physically, emotionally and spirtually, to forgive and be forgiven--and thus do my little bandaging... how amazing it is to know how the Lord is using such young kids to work for HIS KINGDOM Praise the Lord Luv n Prayers, Bincy :=) CHICAGO _ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: one small good news
Hi friends, i had requested for all your prayers for my studies and job search and i thank all of you again from the heights and depths of my heart truly b/c i have really felt and experienced the blessings and graces showered upon me through all your prayer support, love, and care i found out this last Mon that I had MATCHED--meaning that i would be blessed with a residency training job as of July. one month ago, i was going through lots of confusion about specialty choice and stress of job interviews and i turned to the WORD for comfort and answers and what i received was Daniel 3:39-40: With a contrite heart and humble spirit let us be received..For those who trust in the Lord will not be put to shame. Praise the Lord!! on Thur i found out where-- RESURRECTION Hospital in North Chicago, IL (only 20 minutes from my house by car and near new JYC headquarters) for the field of FAMILY PRACTICE (meaning i can medically care for people ages 1 to end of life, do pediatrics, female medicine/obstetrics/gynecology, adult medicine, geriatrics, and even a little bit of pyschiatry)--- this was my first choice hospital. it is the central hospital of the largest chain of Catholic Hosp in Chicago under the sponsorship of the Sisters of Resurrection. I loved the Catholic environment with all its values (no birth control pills, no abortions, i can speak about God freely, etc) and the faculty and other senior residents were so friendly and supportive. i felt at home during the interview... i never prayed for this hospital or this field but for GOD's WILL to be done in my professional life and all aspects of my life!!! since i was a child (since i could remember) i DREAMED of becoming a doctor and making people feel better. in highschool and early college, i PLANNED/HOPED on pursing a career in medicine. during my last two years of college, i surrendered all my DREAMS/PLANS/HOPES to the LORD and i prayed, Lord if this is not what you will for me, take it away; i am willing to give up all of my plans so that your plans (which are better and more beautiful than i can ever imagine mine to be) can prevail in my life!!! it wasn't easy for me to do this at all but i felt that once i experienced the LOVE of JESUS in my life, i only wanted to do what HE willed for me and be lead by HIS plans!!! now when i look back, this surrendering truly has blessed my medical studies and helped me to be where i am today!!! i completely surrender myself and my call to healing in the hands of Jesus and i pray daily to Jesus and Mother Mary that i be able to heal in the image of the GREATEST PHYSICIAN-JESUS CHRIST and i request all of your prayers so i be able to live upto what the Lord calls me to be i have 4 more weeks of clinical rotations (i am doing cardiology now)... i will be done with my medical school rotations second week of April...if God permits, i will be also goign to visit my family in India in MAY...i will get my MD diploma May 31 and graduation is Mon June 2 in NY. Work/healing ministry will start end of July/early July thank you all again so much!!! Luv n Prayers, Bincy :=) CHICAGO MSN 8 helps ELIMINATE E-MAIL VIRUSES. Get 2 months FREE*. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: Prayer Bank
Dear Joynet Administrator, We have many Prayer Groups that are willing and ready to pray for urgent needs of others. Is difficult for individuals to maintain a list of all their addresses. Can you please create a link on the website to a page that permanently displays all such contacts. So that in times of trouble/need we can go to our website (jesusyouth.org) and mail to all the links with our urgent requests. Please give this a thought. Praise The Lord ! Johnson === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
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Hello friends, Please welcome our youngest member in the joynet family - Ruby Angela - from Abu Dhabi. Ruby you can send your exeperiences any time from now @ [EMAIL PROTECTED] I believe there will be a few out there just in need of the message you are going to share. Grace Sijo Mooken Abu Dhabi - Original Message - From: ruby angela [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 5:34 PM Subject: Re: Fw: [JOYnet] Re: Living Generosity Hello my brother in christ jesus This was lovelywonderful...like chocolates for the soul. I always have these thought cannot find enuff people to tell it to Now I see how there are so many willing listeners how I can listen to wonderful experiences also... I have subscribed. But how do I send something in if I wish to? Rgrds Ruby GOD BLESS YOU. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] RE: World Peace
Hi friends, let us pray extra hard these days for world peace!!! things are getting really bad in the Middle East. i just wanted to share with you parts from an email from my cousin in KUWAIT who is a JY full timer and nurse working there: Here things r geting to the climax War is at hand our ministory is not at all concerned about us .No precotionary divises have been given .We hv no mony with us as we haven't got our salary yet . We may be shifted to the hospital with in days .Our only hope is in Lord ,we live be Paslam 23 .So we need u r Prayers hope u understod the siriosnes Please keep him and all in the Middle East in your prayers!!! we sit here physically far from the possible war areas but that does not mean the problem is not real nor that we can be separated from the problem or the people who are hurting right now!!! Luv n Prayers, Bincy :=) MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] THE ULTIMATUM (48 HOURS)
We are the Light of the World, we are the salt of the Earth. Dear All in Jesus, Could we all join Tharayil Achan in prayer and fasting? Could we do at least one act of abstinence and one Rosary and a Chaplet of Mercy today and tomorrow? Perhaps we could skip one meal, one choice sweet, reading News paper or even TV (not watching news can be very tough these days). Could we pray continuously for these 48 hours? You know, we can make our work also a prayer by doing everything pleasing to our Lord. Could we make intercessory prayer in groups wherever possible during these two days? Yesterday during Mass, a Consolata father prayed, I pray for Saddam Hussain that he may accept Jesus as his Lord and Savior and be anointed by the Holy Spirit. Let us ask our Jesus and our mother Mary to work a miracle in this case. Nothing is impossible to Our Lord. All those who were involved with the Rex Band US tour will testify to that. Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, New Jersey, USA Fr Thomas Tharayil wrote: Dear Friends, Hope all might have seen on the TV or heard about the ultimatum given by President Bush to Saddam. He is asked to disarm or leave the country in 48 (now even less) hours. What if not? We can't imagine. The untold miseries that can come upon millions of people in many nations, the atrocities that can be committed, etc. But are we to be disappointed?? I don't think. Let these ultimate hours be of very intense prayers and intercession before the mighty Lord. Remember nothing is impossible with God, and God knows better than anyone else. So please make serious effort to specially pray for a way out from this dead lock. Fr. Thomas Tharayil === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: Living Generosity
Hi friends, when i first read Sindhu's email about what the old granny had taught her, i couldn't help but remember my grandmother (my mom's mom). she passed away 7 years ago but not a day goes by that my family nor i don't remember or speak about her... she was a wonderful, loving woman who had a tremendously GENEROUS heart!!! she gave unconditionally all that she had and she never looked at who she was giving to or what she was giving but as long as there was a person who needed her help, she just gave freely there was no limit or boundaries to her sharing-- she gave whatever was asked of her--her time, talents, her love, her compassion, her very self my grandmother was very blessed not only to be able to raise her children but she was involved in the lives of ALL of her grandchildren at some point or another and we her grandchildren were blessed to be close to her and to see her carry out her faith in her words and actions!!! i lived with my grandma and grandpa and my mom's younger brother and sister for 3 years in Kerala. this was a very early period of my life and i was between the ages of 3-6. even though i was young, many memories stick out in mind of that time... my mom's house in Ettumanoor is on top of a huge hill... we had just enough to meet our daily needs but all of our neighbors were very poor and struggling just for food, water and the bare necessities.. my grandparents actually allowed our well to be the neighborhood well where everyone could draw the water for all their needs and our pond was the neighborhood hot spot for all bathing and washing and town news... my grandparents also gave part of their land free to this one family who basically had nothing and even gave them the means to build a small house on our property and supported this family and their children till they got married...but all these generous acts were initiated by my grandma. i remember that the kitchen was her territory and as soon as the sun rose, it was filled with all the ladies of the area (chadithee mara)..it was where they shared their lives, their struggles, their hopes for their families.. there was always someone there with my grandma till the sun set.. she would teach them about Jesus and the Bible (she was not very educated but she shared the little things she knew or heard at the homily or from someone--kitchen evangelization), she would give them rosaries and prayer books... all the ladies would help my grandma with the cooking and she would give them the best part of the dishes to take to their families and we ended up with the leftovers (now since i was her first granddaughter and since i was left there by my parents, i always got my share and so did my grandpa but my uncle and aunt were not so lucky and were not so happy with her at times..sometimes b/c of how much my grandma gave, she would go to bed on an empty stomach).. if someone needed money, she just gave without thinking if she had any left for her family (it was not like we were rich or anything but she knew that God would provide)...one thing as a child that i remember is an incident in which i was not happy with her...my mom had given my grandma a beautiful gold necklace and i think this was the only jewelry she had and wore and i was so happy to see it on her b/c my mom had given it to her...she ended up giving it to someone so they could sell it and receive the money from the sale and i was so upset with her.. i remember i cried why did you have to give it away and she wiped my tears and said it is only a necklace.. it is a material thing only which will come and go.. but the gifts from God are eternal and will last forever... God provides and gives freely and we should do likewise... at that very young age, i did not appreciate her words but now i value and cherish them in my heart when my grandmother died--the whole town mourned--the number of people who came to see the body and were at the funeral were beyond counting capacity..the poor of the area were in majority.. she was the life of our family and of the town... when we were grieving we were comforted by all the neighbors who shared the many things that she had done for them. one thing i would like to mention, looking back on her life--the secret behind her unconditional generosity was her devotion to Mother Mary who strengthened her spiritual, prayer life and made it fruitful...her personal priorities included going to mass, saying rosary and daily night family prayer which she initiated and she was very punctual and consistent...my grandmother's daughters took some of her personal belongings after she died(to somehow hold a little piece of her to remember) and my mom got her most valued item--her rosary and that was all my mom wanted!!! i feel like all of her children, grandchildren and now great grandchildren are being blessed daily for her prayers and loving works...i know she is a powerful person interceding for us from HEAVEN i can go on and on about my
[JOYnet] RE: weekend experience
Hi friends, this weekend was truly an amazing spiritual experience for us here in Chicago!!! i feel like it is wrong if i don't share it with you all... Fri night we had stations of the cross followed by mass and from 9:30 PM till 2:30 AM we had our regular Night Vigil with exposed blessed sacrament (we have it every second friday of the month)!!! it was powerful beyond words... Jesus was really and truly PRESENT Sat afternoons we have our (adult, youth/teenager, christeen) prayer meetings (the bread and butter of JYC) from 4:30-6:30 PM going on simultaneously. this last Sat it was a very special combined session b/c we had Mr. Jim Murphy, US and World renown man of God (member of National Charismatic team), speak to us about the Shroud of Turin and the Passion of Jesus. Anyways, Mr. Murphy was sharing about the Passion of Jesus in detail...I have always known that Jesus suffered much for us but till this last Sat, i never realized the full physical extent of His suffering. Mr. Murphy shared in detail how Jesus was inflicted with pain, what instruments were used, the depth of the penetrating wound, the duration of the torture, etc I really can't go in detail to his sharing b/c i don't think i will do justice to the presentation (there was so much covered in mere 2 hours)... One thing that I would like to share is that Jim Murphy mentioned that Jesus died LITERALLY of a BROKEN HEART... Jesus who had PURE, PERFECT LOVE died of a broken heart because He loved us unconditionally... You must wonder what I am talking about, if I make sense...I was pondering the very same thoughts when Mr. Murphy was speaking.. This is how he explained it: After Jesus died on the cross, in John's gospel it is mentioned in ch.19:34 one soldier thrust his lance into his side, and immediately blood and water flowed out. An eyewitness (John) has testified and his testimony is true. Have you ever wondered why blood and water gushed forth? Jim Murphy explained some of the investigated, researched findings in medical terms and from my medical background, I was in total agreement and understanding. When blood is taken and sits in a test tube for a while, the red blood cells blood settle to the bottom and the serum component water stays on top... it is believed that Jesus's heart was bleeding from the pressure and torture of His physical afflication. If blood escapes from the heart and small vessels into the pericardium (the membrane that covers the heart) and since He was bleeding internally for a long time, the blood had been sitting in the pericardium for a long time and had settled into its parts, thus producing blood and water gushing forth...Physically Jesus's heart was bleeding for us!!! Another point which struck my attention from the presentation was the emphasis on the last few words of Jesus. Many of us remember the words but don't realize just how painful it was for Jesus to just even say one word.. On the Cross, it took every inch of Jesus's being to utter even a sound... Father, forgive them, they know not what they do...Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise... Woman, behold, your son.. Behold your mother.., I thirst... My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? It is finished... Father, into your hands I commend my spirit Now when I hear these words, I hear them differently with new perspective and meaning. Jesus did not have to say a single word on the cross but till His last breath, He was trying to save us The height and depth of Jesus's suffering is tremendous and it parallels to His unconditional and perfect love for us... Jesus did not have to die on the cross or endure any physical or emotional suffering.. He was the beloved Son of God with whom His Father was well pleased. But Jesus knew that if He did not undergo this suffering, we would not have this opportunity to be with His Father alongside Him Jesus was fully God and fully human and He experienced pain at the human level to the full extent--the extent which through His sacrifice we were saved... The presentation was truly powerful experience of Jesus and it has changed my life in someway or the other.. I don't think I will ever truly understand the extent of how much Jesus suffered physically for us... I hope to understand 1-10 % at least... I just hope and pray that this Lenten period, you may all be blessed with an understanding and reflection of the PASSION at a greater, meaningful level and this experience will change your life in someway or the other as it has for me.. Luv n Prayers, Bincy :=) CHICAGO The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the
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Hi friends, That was a very beautiful sharing .. It brought a point to my mind which i felt i should share with you.. The piercing of Jesus's side saw a flow of blood and water.. Water flows from the body only when there is no more blood left. This signifies that Jesus shed all his blood for us..upto the last drop.. he gave himself for us totally.. Let us thank god today for the gift of the most precious blood of Jesus which washes away all sins. Love and Prayers Ravi Bincy Abraham [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Hi friends, this weekend was truly an amazing spiritual experience for us here in Chicago!!! i feel like it is wrong if i don't share it with you all... Fri night we had stations of the cross followed by mass and from 9:30 PM till 2:30 AM we had our regular Night Vigil with exposed blessed sacrament (we have it every second friday of the month)!!! it was powerful beyond words... Jesus was really and truly PRESENT Sat afternoons we have our (adult, youth/teenager, christeen) prayer meetings (the bread and butter of JYC) from 4:30-6:30 PM going on simultaneously. this last Sat it was a very special combined session b/c we had Mr. Jim Murphy, US and World renown man of God (member of National Charismatic team), speak to us about the Shroud of Turin and the Passion of Jesus. Anyways, Mr. Murphy was sharing about the Passion of Jesus in detail...I have always known that Jesus suffered much for us but till this last Sat, i never realized the full physical extent of His suffering. Mr. Murphy shared in detail how Jesus was inflicted with pain, what instruments were used, the depth of the penetrating wound, the duration of the torture, etc I really can't go in detail to his sharing b/c i don't think i will do justice to the presentation (there was so much covered in mere 2 hours)... One thing that I would like to share is that Jim Murphy mentioned that Jesus died LITERALLY of a BROKEN HEART... Jesus who had PURE, PERFECT LOVE died of a broken heart because He loved us unconditionally... You must wonder what I am talking about, if I make sense...I was pondering the very same thoughts when Mr. Murphy was speaking.. This is how he explained it: After Jesus died on the cross, in John's gospel it is mentioned in ch.19:34 one soldier thrust his lance into his side, and immediately blood and water flowed out. An eyewitness (John) has testified and his testimony is true. Have you ever wondered why blood and water gushed forth? Jim Murphy explained some of the investigated, researched findings in medical terms and from my medical background, I was in total agreement and understanding. When blood is taken and sits in a test tube for a while, the red blood cells blood settle to the bottom and the serum component water stays on top... it is believed that Jesus's heart was bleeding from the pressure and torture of His physical afflication. If blood escapes from the heart and small vessels into the pericardium (the membrane that covers the heart) and since He was bleeding internally for a long time, the blood had been sitting in the pericardium for a long time and had settled into its parts, thus producing blood and water gushing forth...Physically Jesus's heart was bleeding for us!!! Another point which struck my attention from the presentation was the emphasis on the last few words of Jesus. Many of us remember the words but don't realize just how painful it was for Jesus to just even say one word.. On the Cross, it took every inch of Jesus's being to utter even a sound... Father, forgive them, they know not what they do...Amen, I say to you, today you will be with me in Paradise... Woman, behold, your son.. Behold your mother.., I thirst... My God, my God, why have you forsaken me? It is finished... Father, into your hands I commend my spirit Now when I hear these words, I hear them differently with new perspective and meaning. Jesus did not have to say a single word on the cross but till His last breath, He was trying to save us The height and depth of Jesus's suffering is tremendous and it parallels to His unconditional and perfect love for us... Jesus did not have to die on the cross or endure any physical or emotional suffering.. He was the beloved Son of God with whom His Father was well pleased. But Jesus knew that if He did not undergo this suffering, we would not have this opportunity to be with His Father alongside Him Jesus was fully God and fully human and He experienced pain at the human level to the full extent--the extent which through His sacrifice we were saved... The presentation was truly powerful experience of Jesus and it has changed my life in someway or the other.. I don't think I will ever truly understand the extent of how much Jesus suffered physically for us... I hope to understand 1-10 % at least... I just hope and pray that this Lenten period, you may all be blessed with an understanding and reflection of the PASSION at a greater, meaningful level and this experience will
Re: [JOYnet] Re: Living Generosity
Hi! Bincy, I know just what your grandma was like, coz' my grandma was the same. I have never seen her, but I got to know her through my mom. Mom always tells me about her. So though I have never seen her, I know everything about her. To me she is an intellectual. She never owned more than a single sari. If someone gave her a new one, she would immediately give the old one away to a poor woman. She taught my mom and her siblings how to pray. Mom says she scolded them if they didn't pray aloud and clear. Mom told me that she lost her eyesight by reading. In those days, she could only read by the light of the oil lamp. She passed on what she read to her children. And guess what she read? The lives of saints. Mom reminisces and tells me that under her mother's pillow (grandma), she would always find a little money, a rosary and a prayer book. I know my grandma had to endure a lot, much more than anyone her age, especially since my grandpa was famous for his hot-temper. But grandma was as patient as ever. She was known for her wisdom, understanding, spirituality and kindness. My mom has received some of these traits though she doesn't concede to the fact and she's trying to pass them on to me. But I must tell you, I haven't been very good at learning from her. To all those wonderful grandmas and moms in the world - a big thank you for making us what we are today. Tina ---Original Message--- From: Bincy Abraham Date: Monday, March 17, 2003 08:52:49 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] Re: Living Generosity Hi friends, when i first read Sindhu's email about what the old granny had taught her, i couldn't help but remember my grandmother (my mom's mom). she passed away 7 years ago but not a day goes by that my family nor i don't remember or speak about her... she was a wonderful, loving woman who had a tremendously GENEROUS heart!!! she gave unconditionally all that she had and she never looked at who she was giving to or what she was giving but as long as there was a person who needed her help, she just gave freely there was no limit or boundaries to her sharing-- she gave whatever was asked of her--her time, talents, her love, her compassion, her very self my grandmother was very blessed not only to be able to raise her children but she was involved in the lives of ALL of her grandchildren at some point or another and we her grandchildren were blessed to be close to her and to see her carry out her faith in her words and actions!!! i lived with my grandma and grandpa and my mom's younger brother and sister for 3 years in Kerala. this was a very early period of my life and i was between the ages of 3-6. even though i was young, many memories stick out in mind of that time... my mom's house in Ettumanoor is on top of a huge hill... we had just enough to meet our daily needs but all of our neighbors were very poor and struggling just for food, water and the bare necessities.. my grandparents actually allowed our well to be the neighborhood well where everyone could draw the water for all their needs and our pond was the neighborhood hot spot for all bathing and washing and town news... my grandparents also gave part of their land free to this one family who basically had nothing and even gave them the means to build a small house on our property and supported this family and their children till they got married...but all these generous acts were initiated by my grandma. i remember that the kitchen was her territory and as soon as the sun rose, it was filled with all the ladies of the area (chadithee mara)..it was where they shared their lives, their struggles, their hopes for their families.. there was always someone there with my grandma till the sun set.. she would teach them about Jesus and the Bible (she was not very educated but she shared the little things she knew or heard at the homily or from someone--kitchen evangelization), she would give them rosaries and prayer books... all the ladies would help my grandma with the cooking and she would give them the best part of the dishes to take to their families and we ended up with the leftovers (now since i was her first granddaughter and since i was left there by my parents, i always got my share and so did my grandpa but my uncle and aunt were not so lucky and were not so happy with her at times..sometimes b/c of how much my grandma gave, she would go to bed on an empty stomach).. if someone needed money, she just gave without thinking if she had any left for her family (it was not like we were rich or anything but she knew that God would provide)...one thing as a child that i remember is an incident in which i was not happy with her...my mom had given my grandma a beautiful gold necklace and i think this was the only jewelry she had and wore and i was so happy to see it on her b/c my mom had given it to her...she ended up giving it to someone so they could sell it and receive the money from the sale and i was so
[JOYnet] Re: My comments--- Love Marriage
Dear friends, Sebastian quoted: Imagine you found a beautiful girl. You liked her and want to get married with her. You passed this message to her, and she also agreed it. Then you prayed to the Lord, _Lord help me to get married with her_. But the Lord says, my dear son, I have already selected somebody else for you, so please forget her. If God says you can carry on , then what is the problem? The important part is our attitude. If Christ is our central person and we ready to accept His will. That is the important factor. We are talking about love marriage and arranged marriage. 90% of the arranged marriages we are giving priority to colour, beauty, financial back ground, family status, dowry etc. rather than Gods wish. We can call it Sin? Married life, Priesthood any occasion we need preparation. For priesthood they are spending more than 10 years. If a boy and girl build up their relation in a matured manner, healthy in every respect looking for marital status I feel it is OK. We shared the cases, which is not fulfilling. If a nun or priest come out of their orientation time without their mistakes, is it Sin? Same way we can think about a good affair become failure You are not getting attracted with everyone. You are not thinking about an affair with all the attracted persons. I remember Fr. Paul Thelakkats one class. It was a youth programme. He commented about the specialty of man. The capacity to take decision. Only humanbeing (he/she) can say I should marry this boy or girlFor animals they dont have Yes/ No attitude. So this is Gods special gift for the human being. If we can take decisions for the Glory of God who will come against us? St. Paul says: If God is for us, who can be against us? ( Romans 8:31) Another point. What is love? Love sanctifies and leads to salvation. The relation which sanctifies both of you and leads to the deepens of salvation then it is great. We have to proclaim this essence of love to the world. We have to convey this message to our youth. Then others can realize what is true love affair. We started our discussion with Valentine Day. We commented about commercialization. Before blaming the world admit our mistakes. We ( Church) are always behind the world in all areas. Just think about our festivals, pilgrim centers? Within the circle we can find out lot of failures When we will come on driver seat as the light of the world? Prayers love Jose Kuriakose Bahrain NB: I agree with most of the mails which give insights to be holy. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: i need a miracle
dear friends thanks so much to all of you for your prayers. i havnt been able to retrieve thie file yet. tomoro is a working day so maybe i will get someone to try and help. in the mean time i'm trying to do as much as i can all over again so that hopefully i can submit something tomoro to my supervisor. if not, all i can do is tell him what hapend. and hope that he responds positively. i'm just so frustrated with what's going on. i don't know if there's a virus, cuz the f-secure scan hasnt detected anything. i will respond to you all personally later. once again htank you so much for your support. i love you all to bits. sheril - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, and more === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: [JOYnet] Re: [Joynet] Falling in love before mariage is wrong
the one who understands both perfectly and will take away all the misunderstandings owing to which many marriages break-up. How many couples like Tobias start their married life by surrendering their partner and themselves to the will of God. How many continue their personal prayer and family prayer after marriage? Love marriage or arranged marriage is not the criteria for a happy and successful marriage. There is a saying wherein Husbands Wives are called each other's better half's but these two halves can only remain together as one when they are bonded by a strong hold i.e. Christ...shud I say Jesus ka majbooth jodh hain tutega nahin. When the most important PERSON is missing who holds the couples together how can they survive the storms of life?? they will only split and separate. May God give wisdom to all the newly weds and those who will be joined in the wedlock soon to prepare themselves to receive Christ and be rest assured that He is in control of their lives. Love Prayers Jennifer Fernandes Mumbai - Original Message - From: Godwin Manuel(IST) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Christopher D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 12:43 PM Subject: RE: [JOYnet] Re: [Joynet] Falling in love before marriage is wrong I appreciate your views Christopher as they were very much logical and substantial before arriving at any solid conclusion. Falling in love is merely not a standard procedure (my personal view) that is available as off-the-shelf product. Many of us who have gone this way would have really felt the pain and agony that resulted from it. Falling in love is an art of its own - a divine art which should not be confused with fantasies of this world - finding the right partner which involves individual tastes of both parties, basic attraction, emotion and a whole host of other faculties. Before anybody could fall into an genuine love affair, he or she does not even think of how short this relation is going to work out, rather they are prepared to carry on until the end. What I meant to say is each of them is committing themself to the other in all means and expect this to continue into the eternal. Now, what needs our attention is how much are we prepared to invite Jesus into this relationship? Are we going to seek His intervention before deciding to give onself to the other? This is the crucial link that binds any genuine relationship and which many couples ignore. And that's the crux of the matter of our discussion. How do we know that he/she is the chosen one from the beginning of time to become our lifepartner ? Here we need a lot of prayers and discernment before we could take a decision. I personally feel, without getting the concent from our Lord Jesus (in many ways He has decided for us), it is always better to wait n wait n waitand at His appointed time, it would be revealed to us. Thank you Christopher and ye friends in Christ for this wonderful session. In Jesus, Godwin, Fujairah. -Original Message- From: Christopher D'Souza [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 10:17 AM To: JoYNet Cc: Wilson Thomas; PRADEEP GEORGE Subject: Re: [JOYnet] Re: [Joynet] Falling in love before marriage is wrong Dear JYs I am not yet married, but would like to share my views ...I am assuming that we are speaking of falling in love in the context of looking for a marriage partner ... If I decide based on emotional assent, is it falling in love? If I make my decision after intellectual consent, am I avoiding the pitfalls of 'falling in love'? (Wo)Man is an integrated whole...comprising body, mind and spirit. If acting on emotions alone is wrong, then merely consenting with one's intellect could also be wrong. To expect only the intellectual part of me (or my that of my parents)to consent and expect not a stir from my emotions is to stoically deny that God has given me an endocrine system as he has given me a digestive or nervous system. To be swayed only by emotional highs without using my mental faculties is to make a decision as reliable as the shifting sands. What is needed is a balance of all our faculties - in this way we make a decision of a human being fully alive in the glory of God (St Ireneaus). It is like...my mind says 'Compatible, good family, suitable educated, sipritual , a JY :-) etc.. My feelings say 'Wow, it feels good , happy to be around with him, her., lots of peace..etc. My will says 'Im going ahead and making the decision'..This may not happen in every case but we need to remember that we are human beings holding a divine treasure and not purely spirit in nature .. What is most important is that we find the partner of God's choosing...the one in this perfect will for us. To me the question of falling in love is not the main one...It is how prepared I am
[JOYnet] Re: [Joynet] Falling in love before mariage is wrong
Hi all, Too good. Christopher, Godwin and Mary aunty, I truly enjoyed ur mails, and I feel the joy which I normally experience when truth is revealed by God. I personally know some examples of people who took decision (I suppose mature decision) to get married, got approval of parents of both sides, and later on, for some reason or the other (where even these 2 parties can't be blamed) could not marry. What I could make out from this is that let us not haste to take decisions on matters which are really important in our lives. Of cource marriage, and falling (or as someone has put, standing up) in love. We must ask God's guidance to choose, as we all agreed, and most importantly, guidance in how to proceed, once we get a GO AHEAD from God. When we are fallen in love, I suppose we tend to make a surrendering prayer like this God, I belive that this is the one you have chosen for me. I believe it coz I am getting that joy and peace with him/her that I have never experienced with anyone else. Lord, if this is not the chosen, you still have time to choose him/her.for nothing is impossible to You. My Lord, pls don't let me down, I trust in you That's why we must stand up in love. We must believe that we are secure, our life is secure, my future is secure in God's hands. His choice is the best for you and me. Love Binu Asokan Mumbai From: Christopher D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JoYNet [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Wilson Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED], PRADEEP GEORGE [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JOYnet] Re: [Joynet] Falling in love before mariage is wrong Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 00:17:23 -0600 Dear JYs I am not yet married, but would like to share my views ...I am assuming that we are speaking of falling in love in the context of looking for a marriage partner ... If I decide based on emotional assent, is it falling in love? If I make my decision after intellectual consent, am I avoiding the pitfalls of 'falling in love'? (Wo)Man is an integrated whole...comprising body, mind and spirit. If acting on emotions alone is wrong, then merely consenting with one's intellect could also be wrong. To expect only the intellectual part of me (or my that of my parents)to consent and expect not a stir from my emotions is to stoically deny that God has given me an endocrine system as he has given me a digestive or nervous system. To be swayed only by emotional highs without using my mental faculties is to make a decision as reliable as the shifting sands. What is needed is a balance of all our faculties - in this way we make a decision of a human being fully alive in the glory of God (St Ireneaus). It is like...my mind says 'Compatible, good family, suitable educated, sipritual , a JY :-) etc.. My feelings say 'Wow, it feels good , happy to be around with him, her., lots of peace..etc. My will says 'Im going ahead and making the decision'..This may not happen in every case but we need to remember that we are human beings holding a divine treasure and not purely spirit in nature .. What is most important is that we find the partner of God's choosing...the one in this perfect will for us. To me the question of falling in love is not the main one...It is how prepared I am ; spiritually, mentally, emotionally, physically to receive the person God has chosen for me..an then, if I do fall in love with her/him, I am falling in love with the one God has chosenwho can question that? .Irrespective of how I meet her/him - courtship varies across cultures and God is 'broadminded' (to put it in human terms) enough to allow for such variations - whether I fall in love or not, God needs to be at the center of my decision making if I want to have a successful marriage.. Of course, we need to be careful to avoid lust and sexual aberrations etc and the examples of selfish and lustful encounters that we have in most movies The biblical examples ( Isaac and Rebecca Gen 24; Jacob and Rachel Gen 29; Ruth and Boaz Ruth 2 ; Tobias and Sarah Tob 7 ) do not happen in the same stereotyped fashion... they all happen differently..BUT , the common thread that runs thru is that all of them lived in the will of God. And that made finding their partner easier. So, rather than take a radical stance on falling in love, there seems to be a much broader perspective, where all the faculties of the individual are involved in choosing a partner after much prayer and seeking after the will of God.. Love and prayers, Christopher Chennai, India _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL
[JOYnet] Re: [Joynet] Falling in love before mariage is wrong
Pradeep, You are absolutely wrong. Falling in love before marriage is wrong, either for flesh, or for whatever divine relation we call it. I can show you hundreds of youngsters believing in these and get cheated. The right for God is not the right we choose, but He choose. He choose not as we think, but through OTHER right persons in right time. If we choose like modern society, we will be changing it every now and then. That is where the Spirit of the World will guide us through. Please dont get cheated... If we are lacking love in our life, don't borrow it from the street, but get it abundantly from Jesus. If you think that a girl is chosen for you, get married first with the permission of your guardians and Church. Then love her with whole your heart. Anything outside that is adultery. If not, we don't need such a divine sacrament called marriage. ONLY by this sacrament two flesh becomes one. Praise the Lord Wilson Thomas Singapore - Original Message - From: PRADEEP GEORGE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JoYNet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [JOYnet] RE::Valentine's day..is it ok to fall in love ? I think there is nothing wrong in falling love with some one. But young people are so much encouraged and pressurized to somehow fall in love even at the risk of making a wrong decision and regretting it till the end of our lives . This is not the right ..no doubt... Love is divine.But only for the sake of saying i too have an affiar is not the right way Ofcourse there is some one whom Jesus has selected for all of us from the very beginning.And he will reveal whom it is at the right time.We need not ry to know it before that , I think. We can (and we should) pray for the person whom God have selected for us from eternity .FOr that we need not know who it is... We had a preist , who taught us to pray for our future life partner. that was during the catechism classes in our tenth standard. I belive it is the right way and i do remember his words during all pray times. Finally ,deepak has asked for advice from married people in the group.Anyway I am not falling into that category.Still just wanted to tell my views on this matter. regards and prayers pradeep george thrissur. - Original Message - From: deepak [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: [JOYnet] Valentine's day..is it ok to fall in love ? Dear Bros sis i have a question for all of u . do u think it is alright for young people to fall in love ?.be coz of this situation now ..valentines day is so commerciallised that it would seem a tragedy to have no one with u on Feb 14 th ..no one to give a card ..etc... so now young people are so much encouraged and pressurized to somehow fall in love even at the risk of making a wrong decision and regretting it till the end of our lives . so Guys what do u suggest ??? what would Jesus want us to do in such a situatu\ion ...would jesus like us to fall in love with some one?..is there some one Jesus selected for us in the very begining ..if there is how will we know?...what are the factors which any young person should rethink if he or she find herself to be attraced to wards someone? i really don't know how many young people are in this group but i certainly know there are many married people in this group ..think u can enlighten us with your experience? luv deepak trivandrum india === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] === === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
Re: [JOYnet] Re: [Joynet] Falling in love before mariage is wrong
Dear JYs I am not yet married, but would like to share my views ...I am assuming that we are speaking of falling in love in the context of looking for a marriage partner ... If I decide based on emotional assent, is it falling in love? If I make my decision after intellectual consent, am I avoiding the pitfalls of 'falling in love'? (Wo)Man is an integrated whole...comprising body, mind and spirit. If acting on emotions alone is wrong, then merely consenting with one's intellect could also be wrong. To expect only the intellectual part of me (or my that of my parents)to consent and expect not a stir from my emotions is to stoically deny that God has given me an endocrine system as he has given me a digestive or nervous system. To be swayed only by emotional highs without using my mental faculties is to make a decision as reliable as the shifting sands. What is needed is a balance of all our faculties - in this way we make a decision of a human being fully alive in the glory of God (St Ireneaus). It is like...my mind says 'Compatible, good family, suitable educated, sipritual , a JY :-) etc.. My feelings say 'Wow, it feels good , happy to be around with him, her., lots of peace..etc. My will says 'Im going ahead and making the decision'..This may not happen in every case but we need to remember that we are human beings holding a divine treasure and not purely spirit in nature .. What is most important is that we find the partner of God's choosing...the one in this perfect will for us. To me the question of falling in love is not the main one...It is how prepared I am ; spiritually, mentally, emotionally, physically to receive the person God has chosen for me..an then, if I do fall in love with her/him, I am falling in love with the one God has chosenwho can question that? .Irrespective of how I meet her/him - courtship varies across cultures and God is 'broadminded' (to put it in human terms) enough to allow for such variations - whether I fall in love or not, God needs to be at the center of my decision making if I want to have a successful marriage.. Of course, we need to be careful to avoid lust and sexual aberrations etc and the examples of selfish and lustful encounters that we have in most movies The biblical examples ( Isaac and Rebecca Gen 24; Jacob and Rachel Gen 29; Ruth and Boaz Ruth 2 ; Tobias and Sarah Tob 7 ) do not happen in the same stereotyped fashion... they all happen differently..BUT , the common thread that runs thru is that all of them lived in the will of God. And that made finding their partner easier. So, rather than take a radical stance on falling in love, there seems to be a much broader perspective, where all the faculties of the individual are involved in choosing a partner after much prayer and seeking after the will of God.. Love and prayers, Christopher Chennai, India Wilson Thomas wrote: Pradeep, You are absolutely wrong. Falling in love before marriage is wrong, either for flesh, or for whatever divine relation we call it. I can show you hundreds of youngsters believing in these and get cheated. The right for God is not the right we choose, but He choose. He choose not as we think, but through OTHER right persons in right time. If we choose like modern society, we will be changing it every now and then. That is where the Spirit of the World will guide us through. Please dont get cheated... If we are lacking love in our life, don't borrow it from the street, but get it abundantly from Jesus. If you think that a girl is chosen for you, get married first with the permission of your guardians and Church. Then love her with whole your heart. Anything outside that is adultery. If not, we don't need such a divine sacrament called marriage. ONLY by this sacrament two flesh becomes one. Praise the Lord Wilson Thomas Singapore - Original Message - From: PRADEEP GEORGE [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JoYNet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 10:53 PM Subject: [JOYnet] RE::Valentine's day..is it ok to fall in love ? I think there is nothing wrong in falling love with some one. But young people are so much encouraged and pressurized to somehow fall in love even at the risk of making a wrong decision and regretting it till the end of our lives . This is not the right ..no doubt... Love is divine.But only for the sake of saying i too have an affiar is not the right way Ofcourse there is some one whom Jesus has selected for all of us from the very beginning.And he will reveal whom it is at the right time.We need not ry to know it before that , I think. We can (and we should) pray for the person whom God have selected for us from eternity .FOr that we need not know who it is... We had a preist , who taught us to pray for our future life partner. that was during the catechism classes in our tenth standard. I belive it is the right way and i do
Re: [JOYnet] RE::Valentine's day..is it ok to fall in love ?
Hi friends, I thought that this question was very interesting Even though Deepak asked for advice from married couples and i don't fit this group, i still wanted to share my thoughts on the topic, having grown up in the states and having had many friends (American) who are in love and then not and then back in love with same person or another... As you know last Fri was Valentine's Day and even though it is nice to have a day to share and express one's love, i believe that people in the US go crazy about love... i don't think many here know exactly what love is and are often confused about whether it is love or not... but the word is used so often here in speech that it's meaning is sometimes underestimated or undervalued!!! i think it is okay to fall in love b/c sometimes it can happen without one realizing it and without one having any control over it... but you need to pray and find out whether it is actually love it seems love has many deeper realms---the most important being the spiritual--also there is the physical, emotional, intellectualetc i think a person is in love if he/she has found love on these deeper realms No love of any kind can be fully whole without Jesus in the union the presence of Jesus is what makes the love complete and full and perfect!!! most youngesters i think are attracted/infactuated to another mostly on physical level and mistake it for being in love... I do believe that Jesus has someone special for each one of us and I think it will be an amazing experience when Jesus unites two people (earthly heavenly union). God had someone perfect for Adam...Joseph was meant to marry Mother Mary. i know without a doubt that my dad and mom were meant for each other and God brought them together (i don't know how to explain this but you have to live with them to understand)... i know that many of my JY friends here in Chciago who fervently prayed for their marriages and for their future spouses were blessed by GOD with the perfect partner suited just for them... recently Bro. Pappachan Pallath was here in Chicago giving a retreat and we were blessed to have him stay at our house for a week... of course my dad had his special prayer intention to request of him (and to all others who have come to our house) which of course has to do with my marriage... there was something Bro. said to my dad which really struck me and it was that my dad need not worry about my marriage...when it will be.. whom it will be with...where it will be at...because God has someone special for me and God will bring that person to me or me to him Bro shared that PRAYER is the most important tool to discern the WILL of GOD for our marriages and spouses we have to pray for our future life partners!!! We have to be patient and listen to HIS plans for our lives which are more beautiful and more perfect than anything we can plan or dream of everything happens according to GODs time which is the perfect time these are just my ideal thoughts... i am not married and i have never been in love (so i am not an expert on this topic)... if some of the married people in our group share their understanding of love, it would be good! Luv, Bincy :=) CHICAGO P.S Sindhu Sunil i am dying to hear what you have to say on this topic b/c when i see the two of you, i know in my heart and mind that GOD brought you two together!!! From: PRADEEP GEORGE To: JoYNet Subject: [JOYnet] RE::Valentine's day..is it ok to fall in love ? Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2003 08:53:27 -0600 I think there is nothing wrong in falling love with some one. But young people are so much encouraged and pressurized to somehow fall in love even at the risk of making a wrong decision and regretting it till the end of our lives . This is not the right ..no doubt... Love is divine.But only for the sake of saying i too have an affiar is not the right way Ofcourse there is some one whom Jesus has selected for all of us from the very beginning.And he will reveal whom it is at the right time.We need not ry to know it before that , I think. We can (and we should) pray for the person whom God have selected for us from eternity .FOr that we need not know who it is... We had a preist , who taught us to pray for our future life partner. that was during the catechism classes in our tenth standard. I belive it is the right way and i do remember his words during all pray times. Finally ,deepak has asked for advice from married people in the group.Anyway I am not falling into that category.Still just wanted to tell my views on this matter. regards and prayers pradeep george thrissur. - Original Message - From: deepak To: Sent: Sunday, February 16, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: [JOYnet] Valentine's day..is it ok to fall in love ? Dear Bros sis i have a question for all of u . do u think it is alright for young people to fall
[JOYnet] Re: thanks
Hi friends, i know that Feb 15 is over and the topic of thanks has come to a close... but if i did not write this, i would feel really bad ever since the topic came up, i have been able to look back at my life, and i know without a doubt that the Holy Spirit had planted a thought into my mind and heart and if i did not share it, i would not be loyal to the SPIRIT!!! it is so clear that in my life--- who i was.. am.. and will be, where i have been..where i am...where i will be going, what i have done..what i am doing..what i will be doing--- all that I am is due to the blessings, graces, and mercies of my Lord, Savior and Friend--Jesus and my faith life and spiritual renewal-- the desire planted in me by the Holy Spirit to KNOW, LOVE, and SERVE Jesus-- is all through the intercession of my BLESSED MOTHER MARY... Sindhu had once told me that we need to pray and be prayed for inorder for our faith life to be more fruitful i know that since i was a child, the ladies in my life have been very faithful and devoted to Mother Mary--my grandmothers and my own mommy! when i had a problem growing up (and even today), my mother's solution to the problem was to intercede to Mother Mary to plead with her son JESUS to help me Initally, i used to say the rosary as a ritual or when i really needed help, as a last minute action for help especially with tests and making decisions. One incident happened in my life which helped me to recognize how great and loving our Mother is especially in a personal way and how she is continually interceding for us to know and follow Jesus-- that is all she wants. When i had my almost fatal car accident, i had a statue of Mother Mary in the front of my car and it fell onto my lap. everything in the front was shattered except for this statue. i had lost consciousness and when the paramedics revived me, the statue was laying perfectly in my lap. one of the paramedics took the statue, placed it in my hands tightly and whispered to me, this is who saved you, hold on tight to her... Praise Jesus!!! I believe what Jesus also wants is for us to know His Mother and show our respect to her--- to hold on tight to her. Mother Mary is our Mother--- a precious gift given to us freely by JESUS at the foot of the cross!!! Since my accident, the rosary and my devotion to Mother Mary has had deeper meaning... Mother Mary's compassion, love and intercession saved the hosts at the Wedding of Cana and since then she has been continually interceding for all of us I thank JESUS for my life and all his blessings--especially for all the wonderful people He has brought into my life...I thank Jesus for carrying me through all my struggles and pains... I thank Mother Mary for interceding for me and helping me each day to KNOW and FOLLOW JESUS so much more closely!!! My experience of JESUS has become so much more fuller and wonderful with my MOTHER's intercession!!! Luv, Bincy :=) CHICAGO _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: Clarification Luke 12:53 from my life..
Dear Sindhu, Thank you so much for clarifying me the particlar Word of God, by sharing with your own testimony. By Reading your mail it made me to remember these words 22Then Jesus said to his disciples: Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what you will eat; or about your body, what you will wear. 23Life is more than food, and the body more than clothes. 24Consider the ravens: They do not sow or reap, they have no storeroom or barn; yet God feeds them. And how much more valuable you are than birds! So when we keep our Lord our God in the midst of our life, we no need to worry about the worldly things. HE will take care of everything. With lots of prayers and Wishes Sebastian. --- sindhu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear brother Sebastian, In my life these words of Jesus has become true. They will be divided, father against son and son against father, mother against daughter and daughter against mother, mother-in-law against daughter-in-law and daughter-in-law against mother-in-law. -Luke 12:53 I was born and brought up in a very orthodox Hindu family.At our home all of us were so close ,and whenever we're together we used to eat from one plate and sit in same room ..Especially me and my brother.We were good friends .He was 15 years older to me ,so some times ,he was just like a dad to me since my father was working in Madras.. Both of us were so fun loving that we used to go for even club football matches and we never missed a single english film released in Cochin !!My cousins used to say that when he gets married ,his wife will go to her home next day,seeing that he wanted me to do every thing for him..he will eat only if i serve him and i used to iron his clothes etc. So even When i went to Medical College at Kottayam every weekend and all free evenings ,i used to come home. When i accepted jesus as my all in all,in 1993...those verses became very true. My ideas ,life style every thing changed. I started to spend more time with the Lord ,in prayer, prayer meetings,programs..And i was no more interested in going for such movies and had little time to go for club matches,even though i liked them. Further my heavy syllabus at med school also held me back from comng home often.My whole outlokk changed and so often we used to have long arguments on atheism , communism and stuff ,which earlier i had an inclination to..like my brother since he was my role model. Even though most of them apprecited certain good changes in me ,like more patience ,kindness etc, all at my home and all relatives were very much worried about my future and tried so hard to persuade me to forsake Jesus.It was very hard for me. I felt like an alien many times in my own home. My mom and brother yelling at me...that;s some thing i could not stand. Coming home was just like a night mare to me .But Jesus and his JY saw me thru all these. One day one of my cousins ,caught me and started to scold me. he told that i'm mad ..and he challenged me that nobody is going to marry you .Catholics never...May be some day when you ;re in your late thirties ,some old protestant pastors,a widowed man with many children ,may come to marry you..!!(laugh)..it was too much for me..i felt like crying..but suddenly i told him.. you see my Jesus has told me that He will take care of me..and it is written in Bible that ..'Any body who has looked upto his face has never been put to shame anf their faces always were bright.Suddenly he stopped..(power of Word eh..). To cut the story short... after some more time i started to get proposals even from catholics,which surprised my family. But God had a different plan ..when Sunil's proposal came ...it was a surprise to all..even i never thought that there will be some body with same story as mine ever existed on this earth !The day our marriage was getting fixed all my relatives were home.The cousin who used to tease me was also there. So i asked him ,'now what do you have to say.?'..he smiled and told me ..oh that day itself you told na,,,that your Jesus will do it for you...(the defeated smile continues..) And his wife ,my aunt and all the women said in one voice,, Sindhu now we think your Jesus really exists and its He who did it for you!!! And days after both of us took all sacraments together with the blessing of our family ,friends elders and many JY in 2000 may.Praise the Lord. So in my case the story had a nice ending.and they lived happily everafter...(... after 7 years of faith walk..)even though its not true with many converts. Just thought i'll share how these verses became flesh in my life. And today i said a special prayer for all those who stood by my side in this faith walk..especially my family.. who really helped me test my faith. Gratefully His, Sindhu, Chicago,USA. Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to
[JOYnet] Re: thanks?
Hi Friends, i am a little confused. this month (Feb) we should share about the topic thankfulness?? is this correct? i think i have read one email on the topic which I must say was really good!!! i hope we all have at least one thing we are thankful for or something to share on this matter i am looking forward to hearing more emails on this wonderful topic i have something to share but i need some time to write it down and i will do so by the end of this week (life has been crazy for me last week and this coming week with presentations and patients) Hope to hear from others on this topic in the mean time Hope all is well with all JY around the world by the grace of GOD!!! Please keep Sindhu in your prayers who is fighting a terrible cold (I think ROSE AND SUNIL are also sick with cold) Also i want to encourage others to continue or start sharing more about their personal experiences of Jesus in everyday life and everyday situations!!! I really enjoy reading these sharings and they have been so encouraging and inspiring to my life!!! Thanks!!! Luv, Bincy :=) CHICAGO _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Fw: [ JOYnet] RE: REJob Vacancy - do not delete --- to help is divine.
- Original Message - From: PRADEEP GEORGE To: JoYNet Sent: Wednesday, February 05, 2003 9:20 PM Subject: [ JOYnet] RE: REJob Vacancy - do not delete --- to help is divine. Hi all dear bro sis' , First I thought I would not take part in this discussion regarding the posting of job oppertunities in Joynet.Later I realise that if i did n't say something I am doing injustice to those people who had posted some job oppertunities here. Ofcourse I agree that Joynet is not intended for posting jobs or finding friends Sure , there are other places only for these purposes. As we all know thousands of appllicants are wandering around these days.Most Companies do not publish their job opennings in the jobsites.Most of the posts are filled thru internal employee references now a days. Job seekers, who are not having personal contacts with employees in companies would not even know about the opennings.I would like to invite your kind attention to two recent postings in the Joynet. One was by jobi varghese and the other one was from stanly kulangara.Jobi's posting was about an openning in his company (Oracle) and he did give his company id.No where else the comapny published the job opening and you can apply only thru employees.That means if you do n't have a contact in Oracle you are not eligible for applying.In this cirumstance what he did is a Divine help, I have no doubt to call it as divine help.I can n't find something wrong in helping others in any circustnace by any means.Also I think a good number of JOYnet members will benifit from such postings.If you do n't need why can n't you simply delete it upon reading the subject.? How such mails can fill the Inboxes? When The text mails are normally of size less than 50 k. Not all can survive in this world dedicating all their time for spiritual works.But for most us spiritual life is a most important PART of our life.Those who argued aganist job posting, i think are already enjoying good positions. I think I did n't hurt any oneMy humble opinion is that we should post important openings (especailly those are not available in any other place) in JOYnet. TO HELP IS DIVINE. regards and prayers pradeep george thrissur. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: job site
Hello Friends, This offer mentioned in the mail doesn't sound good to me. Personally, I would prefer to discourage this. There are many consultants and job sites which does the same work free of cost. First time I am seeing some body charging for processing your CV. I suggest those who are looking for job NOT to fall in such traps. This may be just a money making business. That is the feeling I am getting after visiting their site. Also, I think we should not send mails related to job opportunities to JOYnet. This is to reduce the number of mails coming to JOYnet. There are many people who have problem in receiving too many mails. May be some of you can think of a separate mailing list or web site for posting such job vacancies. Those who are interested can join that. thanks, Mathew Joseph India. - Original Message - From: angelo shelton nigli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2003 15:00 Subject: [JOYnet] job site dear brothers and sisters, I am have got a mail id from my friend which is a job site and which is giving good results. Around 95% of the persons applied has got job, those interested can send thier cv's to [EMAIL PROTECTED] It is the personal mail id of head of the job hunter.He will look into your cv's personally and you will get due attention.They may ask you to send some amount for the service, it will be between 600 and 1000/-, send the money only after sending the cv. U will get the confirmation to send the amount as soon as they recieve your cv. They will send your resume to 1500 companies and put your cv in the website for one year. if interested please do it with regards angelo shelton nigli === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] RE: St. Thomas Aquinas
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[JOYnet] RE: PRAISE JESUS
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[JOYnet] Re: hey
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[JOYnet] Re: St. Thomas Aquinas AGAIN
Friends hopefully you receive this Friends i received this from JYA and i thought it was nice especially the beautiful prayer at the end by St. Thomas Aquinas Luv, Bincy :=) CHICAGO Dear Friends in Christ: Today, we celebrate the feast of St.Thomas Aquinas, a great theologian and a doctor of the Universal Church. He made immense contributions to the Church through his wisdom and knowledge. When the time for him to choose the state of his life, he wanted to renounce everything and become a monk. He joined the Dominican order, but his family abducted him and held him under house arrest hoping that he might divert from his vocation. But he was very true to his vocation and God bestowed him with perfect chastity which gained him the tile Angelic Doctor of the Church. St.Thomas Aquinas is the patron saint of all students, universities, academics, scholars, theologians,apologists, philosophers and chastity. Let us pray... Grant me, O Lord my God, a mind to know you, a heart to seek you, wisdom to find you, conduct pleasing to you, faithful perseverance in waiting for you, and a hope of finally embracing you. (taken from one of Thomas Aquinas's prayers) Hail Jesus, Soby Chacko Philadelphia/PA _ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] RE: Praise JESUS
Hello friends, Praise JESUS i felt really bad that my emails were coming out with no text... and i thank some of you for your patience and concerns for my PC...i am thankful that noone thought i was crazy!!! Well thanks to our very own Bijoy Thomas from JY CHICAGO who has been working with me to solve the problem. (for those computer wizards out there unlike me---my rich text editor was off under tools) It is solved!!! Praise God and thank you so very much Bijoy!!! Leena maybe you are having the same problem as I Hi everyone, i just wanted to share with everyone how happy i am. i just found out Tuesday that i passed all my board exams to get my MD license. Pre-Medicine and Medical school have been a mountain for me to overcome but i can say with confidence that with JESUS at my side i was able to endure, persevere and survive!!! the road to becoming a doctor has been a personal/spiritual struggle with much soul searching i had my ups and downs and i am really thankful to JESUS for providing me with so much support and comfort!!! HE also gave me the best support network---my parents, my family, my friends!!! JY of CHICAGO are just the best group of family to have for any struggle in life. they have laughed with me thru successes and cried with me thru failures well i am still finishing up my hospital hours to graduate from medical school. i should be done by early April. i am also applying for a residency job to start in july. i hope to find out if i received a job by March!!! please keep me in your prayers!!! i know with firm faith and confidence in the Lord that it is Jesus who brought me thus far and helped mold me into who i am today and gave me the strength to do all that i have done so far. HE will lead me to the hospital where HE wants me to serve!!! i know that even though the school chapter is coming to a close, the true challenge in medicine is yet to come i feel really blessed to be in a profession where i can try to serve in a manner of the greatest physician that ever lived ---who of course if JESUS PRAISE THE LORD!!! Luv, Bincy :=) CHICAGO _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: Praise JESUS
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[JOYnet] RE: St. Thomas Aquinas
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[JOYnet] RE: [JOYnet} Happy News
Hi everyone,Sorry about the email with no text. it went somwhere else. here goes the email again!!! this time it will hopefully reach everyone-text and all!!! Praise GOD!!! Yesterday was the baptism of my cousin's child... ever since the baby was born both parents wanted to baptize the baby because they valued the sacrament of baptism so much... due to the encouragement of the grandparents (and of course some JY influencers) my cousin decided that on the joyous occasion of the baptism of his daughter NO ALCOHOL would be served!!! Praise GOD!!! for me living in the US for almost all my life, i have never went to a party where there was no alcohol served... my dad never really drank and when he decided to not drink at all and not to serve alcohol in our house about 10 years ago it was something radical and he was ridiculed by others so much and now a days i usually only see no alcohol being served at JY/charismatic houses...but change is indeed happening and in more houses in the US alcohol is disappearing!!! praise the LORD!!! our family along with my cousins parents had been praying for my cousin to be able to keep the ! ! commitment he made. His wedding was remembered as one with the most alcohol served in the town area and now for his daughter's baptism no alcohol!!! praise GOD!!! only GOD can do such wonderful things!!! i am not saying that he has made a commitment to not have drinks with his friends or at other parties but he decided not to serve on the occasion of the celebration of a great sacrament!!! all ends start with small beginnings and small steps!!! So much prayer is needed for alcoholics and for families under the influence of alcoholism!!! Even people who are not addicted to alcohol but have a drink occaionally are still bringing all the evils associated with alcohol into their personal lives and families!!! Only the power of the Holy Spirit can break the bondages linked with alcohol!!! Not only do people have to desire to not drink but also not serve drinks in their homes and be around occasions where alcohol is served!!! Luv, Bincy :=) CHICAGO Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] RE: happy news
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[JOYnet] Re : Sex before marriage is permissible? is it Sin?
Hello Joyful people, The answer to the Question is No. Before marriage involving in Sexual activity is a sin. If we see in the context of the Bible, the following verses clearly states that it is a sin. Moreover the society condemns this act but it is a sorry state that in such a situation the woman is brought to fault whereas the men move Scott free. 'Matt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.' 'Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.' 'Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.' 'Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.' 'Rom 8:7-8 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.' 'Hebrews 12:16 - That there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. Comment: There is no record anywhere here that Esau was a sexually +immoral; person (fornicator?) other than the fact that he had contracted marriages that were unlawful.' '1 Cor 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.' '1 Cor 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.' '1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.' '1 Cor 6:13 6:13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 1 Cor 6:18 6:18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. '1 Cor 7:2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. '2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.' 'Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry.' 2Co 12:21 - lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and I shall mourn for many who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication, and lewdness which they have practiced. Re 19:2 - For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her. Dictionary meaning of the word Fornication : an act of sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons: The word fornication had a lowly beginning suitable to what has long been the low moral status of the act to which it refers. The Latin word fornix, from which fornicti, the ancestor of fornication, is derived, meant a vault, an arch. The term also referred to a vaulted cellar or similar place where prostitutes plied their trade. This sense of fornix in Late Latin yielded the verb fornicr, to commit fornication, from which is derived fornicti, whoredom, fornication. CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1852 There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.127 1853 Sins can be distinguished according to their objects, as can every human act; or according to the virtues they oppose, by excess or defect; or according to the commandments they violate. They can also be classed according to whether they concern God, neighbor, or oneself; they can be divided into spiritual and carnal sins, or again as sins in thought, word, deed, or omission. The root of sin is in the heart of man, in his free will, according to the teaching of the Lord: For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are
[JOYnet] Re : Sex before marriage is permissible? is it Sin?
Hello Joyful people, The answer to the Question is No. Before marriage involving in Sexual activity is a sin. If we see in the context of the Bible, the following verses clearly states that it is a sin. Moreover the society condemns this act but it is a sorry state that in such a situation the woman is brought to fault whereas the men move Scott free. 'Matt 15:19 For out of the heart proceed evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, blasphemies.' 'Matt 5:28 But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.' 'Matt 5:32 But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.' 'Acts 15:20 But that we write unto them, that they abstain from pollutions of idols, and from fornication, and from things strangled, and from blood.' 'Rom 8:7-8 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God.' 'Hebrews 12:16 - That there be no immoral or godless person like Esau, who sold his own birthright for a single meal. Comment: There is no record anywhere here that Esau was a sexually +immoral; person (fornicator?) other than the fact that he had contracted marriages that were unlawful.' '1 Cor 5:1 It is reported commonly that there is fornication among you, and such fornication as is not so much as named among the Gentiles, that one should have his father's wife.' '1 Cor 5:11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.' '1 Cor 6:9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind.' '1 Cor 6:13 6:13 Foods for the stomach and the stomach for foods, but God will destroy both it and them. Now the body is not for sexual immorality but for the Lord, and the Lord for the body. 1 Cor 6:18 6:18 Flee sexual immorality. Every sin that a man does is outside the body, but he who commits sexual immorality sins against his own body. '1 Cor 7:2 Nevertheless, because of sexual immorality, let each man have his own wife, and let each woman have her own husband. '2 Cor 11:2 For I am jealous over you with godly jealousy: for I have espoused you to one husband, that I may present you as a chaste virgin to Christ.' 'Col 3:5 Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry.' 2Co 12:21 - lest, when I come again, my God will humble me among you, and I shall mourn for many who have sinned before and have not repented of the uncleanness, fornication, and lewdness which they have practiced. Re 19:2 - For true and righteous are His judgments, because He has judged the great harlot who corrupted the earth with her fornication; and He has avenged on her the blood of His servants shed by her. Dictionary meaning of the word Fornication : an act of sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons: The word fornication had a lowly beginning suitable to what has long been the low moral status of the act to which it refers. The Latin word fornix, from which fornicti, the ancestor of fornication, is derived, meant a vault, an arch. The term also referred to a vaulted cellar or similar place where prostitutes plied their trade. This sense of fornix in Late Latin yielded the verb fornicr, to commit fornication, from which is derived fornicti, whoredom, fornication. CATECHISM OF THE CATHOLIC CHURCH 1852 There are a great many kinds of sins. Scripture provides several lists of them. The Letter to the Galatians contrasts the works of the flesh with the fruit of the Spirit: Now the works of the flesh are plain: fornication, impurity, licentiousness, idolatry, sorcery, enmity, strife, jealousy, anger, selfishness, dissension, factions, envy, drunkenness, carousing, and the like. I warn you, as I warned you before, that those who do such things shall not inherit the Kingdom of God.127 1853 Sins can be distinguished according to their objects, as can every human act; or according to the virtues they oppose, by excess or defect; or according to the commandments they violate. They can also be classed according to whether they concern God, neighbor, or oneself; they can be divided into spiritual and carnal sins, or again as sins in thought, word, deed, or omission. The root of sin is in the heart of man, in his free will, according to the teaching of the Lord: For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murder, adultery, fornication, theft, false witness, slander. These are
[JOYnet] Re: hello
hello everyone, my name is Bincy and i am from CHICAGO. i came to know of joynet from my friends Sindhu and Lovely. i had been receiving email from JYA but i decided to also join joynet and hear from JY all over the world in addition to those in the US. in Dec. i joined joynet. even though i have been silent, i have been reading all the forwards and personal sharings...i praise God for this email fellowship which is truly wonderful...i am really glad to hear about all the great things that the Lord has been doing all over the world... recently i shared a personal experience at our Sat youth gathering and Sindhu encouraged me to share this with all of you. This last Sat in our youth gathering the topic was about prayer--what is prayer and why prayer is so important... although i know that prayer is really important to ones life i also need reminders every now and then about the POWER OF PRAYER... about a month ago i had this truly amazing experience in confession which only strengthened my feelings about the significance of personal prayer. i was confessing my sins and i usually go in an order of which i feel are the worst first... at this time i was having alot of difficulties in basically all areas of my life especially my relationships with family, friends, colleagues, etc...the last sin i had confessed which i minimized was how i was lazy with my studies and personal prayer...i didn't think too much of this sin but i was really focussed on other ones... when i was done confessing the ac! han gently but directly said to me (which to this day i will never forget b/c i get chills hearing Jesus speak to me thru the achan) of all the sins you committed the biggest sin is your lazziness in your personal prayer life... PRAYER is our COMMUNICATION with the Lord which strengthens our RELATIONSHIP with HIM!!! if our relationship with the Lord (=PRAYER) is poor than all our other relationships will suffer i started crying out of joy and healing b/c everything made sense at that point!!! although i know in my mind what prayer is and how important it is to my existence, i may not always practice what i know to be true or good for me--I am human and forget and i need reminders Prayer life is essential not only for our spiritual lives but for all aspects of our life Praise GOD!!! Luv, Bincy :=)Chicago Protect your PC - Click here for McAfee.com VirusScan Online === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: Employee Referral Programme at TCS
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Re: [JOYnet] RE: Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion
Dear JY friends, I do agree with Kurian uncle, sanju and James. I have got a suggestion, why not we have a fixed day of each month as a Joynet prayer day. In Uk we observe every 10th of month as the UK Jesus Youth prayer day, were we take up requests and pray. love n prayers Joseph / UK - Original Message - From: Primeson James [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:50:17 +0400 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] RE: Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion Re: Dear Joynet friends Re: Re: This is in connection with Kurian uncle's and Sanju's mails. Re: Re: I would also like to state hereunder my opinion. Re: Re: We selected a day and prayed on 20th of december '02. As sanju mentioned, why Re: we cannot continue with this prayer once in a month. I will also suggest that Re: Once in month, and should be the same day, means last month it was 20, we Re: can fix a day on this month as suggested by kurian uncle i.e. 24th friday of Re: this month, OR last friday of each month. We can do the same prayer of 20th Re: december and continue with that. (praye is added to our homepage) Re: Re: we would like to know eachone of your opinion / suggestion. Re: Re: with prayer Re: primeson Re: dubai / uae Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: -Original Message- Re: From: Sanju Joseph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Re: Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:05 AM Re: To: Kurian Nellikunnel; Jesus Net Re: Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: Subject: Re: [JOYnet] Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion Re: Re: Re: Dear Brothers and Sisters, Re: Re: One good thing about praying together is that all Re: of us will become more and more united in the Spirit Re: of God. This prayer initiative is yet another step Re: towards it. Would like to mention that our prayer for Re: all our terrorists brothers did go well with the Lord Re: and there are subtle but powerful changes happening. Re: The longest insurgency problem in India is regarding Re: the Naga homeland in the North East. If you have taken Re: notice ; the NSCN leaders are in New Delhi now for Re: talks with L K Advani(the Home Minister) and they are Re: looking for peace. Well, I believe in faith that it is Re: bcos of our prayers. Amen. Re: Re: Just some suggestions regarding the Joynet prayer Re: days(these are personal views) : Re: Re: 1. Can our Prayer days be once in a month or once in 2 Re: months ? This is bcos most of us already have fasting Re: commitments once or twice a week. Re: Re: 2. Can the prayer initiatives also be driven by the Re: Events in the world or our country ? So that depending Re: on the need of the hour all of us can unite and pray. Re: Re: 3. It would also be good that we do not limit the Re: prayer to a single day. It will be great if the same Re: prayer is repeated over a period of one week. Bcos Re: some of the problems are so big that it requires an Re: on-going prayer support(say terrorism/wars). However Re: let this not be the thumbrule as all of us will not be Re: able to unite in prayer for the entire week at the Re: same time. Re: Re: Re: Love and Prayers Re: Re: Sanju Joseph. Re: Re: Re: --- Kurian Nellikunnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Re: Hi All, Re: I would like to suggest another Jesus Youth Re: prayer day on Friday the Re: 24th of January, 2003. The timing and duration could Re: be the same as Re: before, namely 15 minutes at 7:30 AM, EST (Eastern Re: Standard Time, i.e. Re: NY time). Re: Intention: Unification of the three Malankara Re: Churches. Re: As we know, we celebrate next week as the Re: Christian Unity Week. All Re: the three Malankara Churches have the apostolic Re: tradition from St. Re: Thomas the Apostle and have the same liturgical Re: format. His Excellency, Re: Isaac Mar Cleemis had a great article in the Re: Christian publication Re: Sunday Shalom in which he suggested a workable Re: formula for the Re: unification of these three Malankara Churches. I Re: believe that if we fast Re: and pray with great faith, this long cherished dream Re: of many saintly Re: people could be obtained from our Lord. Re: I suggest that when we fast, we should fast our Re: addictions and not Re: just food alone. It is a very difficult thing to do. Re: For example, for Re: some, to abstain from TV on the Super Bowl day would Re: be harder than Re: abstaining from food for a whole week. Re: Please respond with your comments. Re: Thank You, Re: Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Re: Kurian Nellikunnel, New Jersey, USA. Re: Re: Re: = Re: == Re: This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth Re: mailing list. Re: For more info on the list visit Re: http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet Re: To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to Re: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: To subscribe to the list visit Re: http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join Re: In case of any issue related to the mailing list Re: contact [EMAIL
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] Which is the greatest miracle do you think that Jesus ever performed?
Dear Friends, Please find the answer from Dr. Sindu ( Sindu Chechi). Thanks Sindu for the wonderful sharing In JMJ, Bensilal Chacko, DE, US From: sindhu To: Bensi Chacko Subject: Re: [JYA] Which is the greatest miracle do you think that Jesus ever performed? Date: Wed, 15 Jan 2003 11:17:01 -0600 Dear Bensi, Of course the Catholic Church is a mystery and is seldom called as the sleeping Giant; but I think the gretest miracle Jesus ever performed is establishment of Eucharist..turning mere bread and vine to His body and blood itself..like wise fulfilling His promise to be with us till the ends of the time.and this mystery gets fulfilled only through His Church. But i got your point.And i'm so proud ,and considers it to be the greatest previlege I ever got is, to be a Catholic.Praise the Lord. Thanks,In joyful communion, Sindhu. Help STOP SPAM: Try the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] RE: Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion
Dear Joynet friends This is in connection with Kurian uncle's and Sanju's mails. I would also like to state hereunder my opinion. We selected a day and prayed on 20th of december '02. As sanju mentioned, why we cannot continue with this prayer once in a month. I will also suggest that Once in month, and should be the same day, means last month it was 20, we can fix a day on this month as suggested by kurian uncle i.e. 24th friday of this month, OR last friday of each month. We can do the same prayer of 20th december and continue with that. (praye is added to our homepage) we would like to know eachone of your opinion / suggestion. with prayer primeson dubai / uae -Original Message- From: Sanju Joseph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:05 AM To: Kurian Nellikunnel; Jesus Net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JOYnet] Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion Dear Brothers and Sisters, One good thing about praying together is that all of us will become more and more united in the Spirit of God. This prayer initiative is yet another step towards it. Would like to mention that our prayer for all our terrorists brothers did go well with the Lord and there are subtle but powerful changes happening. The longest insurgency problem in India is regarding the Naga homeland in the North East. If you have taken notice ; the NSCN leaders are in New Delhi now for talks with L K Advani(the Home Minister) and they are looking for peace. Well, I believe in faith that it is bcos of our prayers. Amen. Just some suggestions regarding the Joynet prayer days(these are personal views) : 1. Can our Prayer days be once in a month or once in 2 months ? This is bcos most of us already have fasting commitments once or twice a week. 2. Can the prayer initiatives also be driven by the Events in the world or our country ? So that depending on the need of the hour all of us can unite and pray. 3. It would also be good that we do not limit the prayer to a single day. It will be great if the same prayer is repeated over a period of one week. Bcos some of the problems are so big that it requires an on-going prayer support(say terrorism/wars). However let this not be the thumbrule as all of us will not be able to unite in prayer for the entire week at the same time. Love and Prayers Sanju Joseph. --- Kurian Nellikunnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I would like to suggest another Jesus Youth prayer day on Friday the 24th of January, 2003. The timing and duration could be the same as before, namely 15 minutes at 7:30 AM, EST (Eastern Standard Time, i.e. NY time). Intention: Unification of the three Malankara Churches. As we know, we celebrate next week as the Christian Unity Week. All the three Malankara Churches have the apostolic tradition from St. Thomas the Apostle and have the same liturgical format. His Excellency, Isaac Mar Cleemis had a great article in the Christian publication Sunday Shalom in which he suggested a workable formula for the unification of these three Malankara Churches. I believe that if we fast and pray with great faith, this long cherished dream of many saintly people could be obtained from our Lord. I suggest that when we fast, we should fast our addictions and not just food alone. It is a very difficult thing to do. For example, for some, to abstain from TV on the Super Bowl day would be harder than abstaining from food for a whole week. Please respond with your comments. Thank You, Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, New Jersey, USA. = == This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] = == = == This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] = == === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list
[JOYnet] RE: Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion
Dear Joynet Friends I agree that it will be a great idea to pray for a particular intention like we did in December. But I also feel that it will be a good idea if we could all on Joynet pray for a particular intention each week. Storm the heavens. For people who have abortion For people who are into drugs and alcohol... For those in prison. For atheists For children who are abused by their parents... I am sure we can find many such people we can all pray for. With prayers Your sister in Christ Meena Mathew Singapore From: Primeson James [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] RE: Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion Date: Tue, 14 Jan 2003 12:50:17 +0400 Dear Joynet friends This is in connection with Kurian uncle's and Sanju's mails. I would also like to state hereunder my opinion. We selected a day and prayed on 20th of december '02. As sanju mentioned, why we cannot continue with this prayer once in a month. I will also suggest that Once in month, and should be the same day, means last month it was 20, we can fix a day on this month as suggested by kurian uncle i.e. 24th friday of this month, OR last friday of each month. We can do the same prayer of 20th december and continue with that. (praye is added to our homepage) we would like to know eachone of your opinion / suggestion. with prayer primeson dubai / uae -Original Message- From: Sanju Joseph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, January 14, 2003 9:05 AM To: Kurian Nellikunnel; Jesus Net Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [JOYnet] Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion Dear Brothers and Sisters, One good thing about praying together is that all of us will become more and more united in the Spirit of God. This prayer initiative is yet another step towards it. Would like to mention that our prayer for all our terrorists brothers did go well with the Lord and there are subtle but powerful changes happening. The longest insurgency problem in India is regarding the Naga homeland in the North East. If you have taken notice ; the NSCN leaders are in New Delhi now for talks with L K Advani(the Home Minister) and they are looking for peace. Well, I believe in faith that it is bcos of our prayers. Amen. Just some suggestions regarding the Joynet prayer days(these are personal views) : 1. Can our Prayer days be once in a month or once in 2 months ? This is bcos most of us already have fasting commitments once or twice a week. 2. Can the prayer initiatives also be driven by the Events in the world or our country ? So that depending on the need of the hour all of us can unite and pray. 3. It would also be good that we do not limit the prayer to a single day. It will be great if the same prayer is repeated over a period of one week. Bcos some of the problems are so big that it requires an on-going prayer support(say terrorism/wars). However let this not be the thumbrule as all of us will not be able to unite in prayer for the entire week at the same time. Love and Prayers Sanju Joseph. --- Kurian Nellikunnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi All, I would like to suggest another Jesus Youth prayer day on Friday the 24th of January, 2003. The timing and duration could be the same as before, namely 15 minutes at 7:30 AM, EST (Eastern Standard Time, i.e. NY time). Intention: Unification of the three Malankara Churches. As we know, we celebrate next week as the Christian Unity Week. All the three Malankara Churches have the apostolic tradition from St. Thomas the Apostle and have the same liturgical format. His Excellency, Isaac Mar Cleemis had a great article in the Christian publication Sunday Shalom in which he suggested a workable formula for the unification of these three Malankara Churches. I believe that if we fast and pray with great faith, this long cherished dream of many saintly people could be obtained from our Lord. I suggest that when we fast, we should fast our addictions and not just food alone. It is a very difficult thing to do. For example, for some, to abstain from TV on the Super Bowl day would be harder than abstaining from food for a whole week. Please respond with your comments. Thank You, Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, New Jersey, USA. = == This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED
Re: [JOYnet] RE: Joynet Prayer Day: a suggestion
Hi All, All the suggestions about the prayer day are good. It is good to keep the prayer going for a week. Last Friday of the month is a very good suggestion. Regarding the prayer itself: We could pray the Rosary, Chaplet of Mercy, pray the prayer of Jesus in Jn: 17:20-26., pray in tongues and/or the prayer that was prepared last month. As far as fasting goes, you do not have to increase the number of days, just add this intention also for your fasting day. Also, we could fast other things, like our addictions, TV etc. How I wish if we had JoyNet intercession prayer every day! The problem is, can we keep up the zeal without fading? That is the only problem. When things get routine, people tend to loose the focus. Any way, I would rather support Meena than oppose. Others please give your views and let us come to a consensus, that is according to His dreams. Regarding the intentions, my opinion is that we should select world situations as well as problems people face in their lives as Meena has suggested. It is good to add some finite and visible causes also once in while, so that we can see the results materializing. That will strengthen our faith and help us to keep in focus. Thank you, Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, New Jersey, USA P.S. Here is an extract of the message from His Excellency Most Rev. Dr. Isaac Mar Cleemis regarding the prayer day: Thank you very much for your prompt response to invite all for the prayer regarding the full communion of the divided Churches in Malankara. I am so happy to say that I shall join you all in that prayer in spirit. I really appreciate your concern for the Church. It was really a nice meeting with our youth yesterday. Please give my greetings and blessings to Molly, George and John. God bless you all. Yours lovingly in Our lord, Bishop Isaac Mar Cleemis. Meena Mathew wrote: Dear Joynet Friends I agree that it will be a great idea to pray for a particular intention like we did in December. But I also feel that it will be a good idea if we could all on Joynet pray for a particular intention each week. Storm the heavens. For people who have abortion For people who are into drugs and alcohol... For those in prison. For atheists For children who are abused by their parents... I am sure we can find many such people we can all pray for. With prayers Your sister in Christ Meena Mathew Singapore Dear Joynet friends This is in connection with Kurian uncle's and Sanju's mails. I would also like to state hereunder my opinion. We selected a day and prayed on 20th of december '02. As sanju mentioned, why we cannot continue with this prayer once in a month. I will also suggest that Once in month, and should be the same day, means last month it was 20, we can fix a day on this month as suggested by kurian uncle i.e. 24th friday of this month, OR last friday of each month. We can do the same prayer of 20th december and continue with that. (praye is added to our homepage) we would like to know eachone of your opinion / suggestion. with prayer primeson dubai / uae Dear Brothers and Sisters, One good thing about praying together is that all of us will become more and more united in the Spirit of God. This prayer initiative is yet another step towards it. Would like to mention that our prayer for all our terrorists brothers did go well with the Lord and there are subtle but powerful changes happening. The longest insurgency problem in India is regarding the Naga homeland in the North East. If you have taken notice ; the NSCN leaders are in New Delhi now for talks with L K Advani(the Home Minister) and they are looking for peace. Well, I believe in faith that it is bcos of our prayers. Amen. Just some suggestions regarding the Joynet prayer days(these are personal views) : 1. Can our Prayer days be once in a month or once in 2 months ? This is bcos most of us already have fasting commitments once or twice a week. 2. Can the prayer initiatives also be driven by the Events in the world or our country ? So that depending on the need of the hour all of us can unite and pray. 3. It would also be good that we do not limit the prayer to a single day. It will be great if the same prayer is repeated over a period of one week. Bcos some of the problems are so big that it requires an on-going prayer support(say terrorism/wars). However let this not be the thumbrule as all of us will not be able to unite in prayer for the entire week at the same time. Love and Prayers Sanju Joseph. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the
[JOYnet] Re: A prayer bank 4 U.
Hi, I am Joju, from Delhi. Our prayer group in Noida is ready to serve you. Mail your prayer requests to [EMAIL PROTECTED] be sure it will be presented before our Lord. You can forward this message to all your friends. Trusting God, Joju C.C. Delhi. On Wed, 25 Dec 2002 anil joseph wrote : hi all, I am from Delhi and 2nd batch fulltimer from kerala, I am an old member in Joynet but a silent person. I am requesting ur prayers for a new decision, which I took with Our Lord for a job change Mainly I need time with my family and JY family, so pls remember in ur prayers Love Anil Joseph MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 3 months FREE*. === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] === === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: [prayernet] from Francis Felix - Untruth?
Dear Francis all Joynetters, This is not a good tendency to put forward the personal revelation and insight in Joynet or prayernet, that its ultimate effect shall be devastating. We are not the one who can make such a comment that Islam is untruth. Even Church didn't tell that any religion is untruth. We know that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life. We are called to propagate this and to proclaim Jesus is the only Savior, Lord and Messiah. But it shall be in such a way that, as Jesus taught, by loving others, without hurting others feelings, by listening to them carefully and not by arguing or making a statement that yours is untruth mine, truth. Please remember that, TO WIN AN ARGUMENT IS LOOSING ONE SOUL. We are not eligible to judge others. Thank God that Francis, You have not pasted your message on the website. Have you consulted with Jesus again, or with your elder or with your Pastor regarding your message? Do not consider this as an argument and am no way intented to make this as an issue. But as somebody (I'm really sorry, I do not remember his/her name) told, before pasting anything in Joynet or in Prayernet we should pray. With Lots of Love prayers in Jesus Prejomy Jose Abu Dhabi From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [prayernet] [Prayer Board] from Francis Felix Date: Fri, 27 Dec 2002 00:56:58 -0600 Name : Francis Felix Email : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Time : 27 Dec 2002 00:56 Subject : Message Board not yet available I prayed to Jesus Christ the Lord GOD Almighty to make the Message Board become available for me to put a New Message to tell that : ISLAM is UnTRUTH But the Message Board is still not available.So I have written in the Guest Book and leave it for the Power of His Holy Spirit to fulfill my aims for His Glory. FRANCIS FELIX 27th Dec.02,12;25hrs. - For any help on mailing related issues to this group contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] - _ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 3 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virusxAPID=42PS=47575PI=7324DI=7474SU= http://www.hotmail.msn.com/cgi-bin/getmsgHL=1216hotmailtaglines_virusprotection_3mf === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] Re: Merry X'mas
JESUS IS KING! Dear JOYFULnetters, WISH YOU AND YOUR FAMILY A JOYOUS CHRISTMAS AND A BRIGHT NEW YEAR In HIS grip and grace, (Thomas, Leena Jeffrey) Bangalore, India Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. http://mailplus.yahoo.com === This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ===
[JOYnet] RE: [parablenet] Our Daily Bread for Dec 13, 2002
Hello All! For all those who wondered what the whole poem is, here it is Take care and God bless Abraham HECTOR THE COLLECTOR by Shel Silverstein Hector the Collector Collected bits of string, Collected dolls with broken heads And rusty bells that would not ring. Pieces out of picture puzzles, Bent-up nails and ice-cream sticks, Twists of wires, worn-out tires, Paper bags and broken bricks. Old chipped vases, half shoelaces, Gatlin' guns that wouldn't shoot, Leaky boats that wouldn't float And stopped-up horns that wouldn't toot. Butter knives that had no handles, Copper keys that fit no locks, Rings that were too small for fingers, Dried-up leaves and patched-up socks. Worn-out belts that had no buckles, 'Lectric trains that had no tracks, Airplane models, broken bottles, Three-legged chairs and cups with cracks. Hector the Collector Loved these things with all his soul Loved them more than shining diamonds, Loved them more than glistenin' gold. Hector called to all the people, Come and share my treasure trunk! And all the silly sightless people Came and looked...and called it junk. -Original Message- From: Joseph lonth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 13 December 2002 07:07 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [parablenet] Our Daily Bread for Dec 13, 2002 Friday, December 13, 2002 When All Is Lost Read: Philippians 3:7-14 What things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ. -- Philippians 3:7 Bible In One Year: Hosea 12-14; Revelation 4 I was rummaging around my son's garage and found all the trophies he had won in his years of athletic competition. There they were in a box -- about to be thrown out. I thought of the blood, sweat, and tears that had gone into gaining those awards, yet now he was putting them in the trash. They no longer had any value to him. It reminded me of a whimsical children's poem by Shel Silverstein called Hector the Collector. It describes all the things that Hector collected over the years. He loved them more than shining diamonds, loved them more than glistenin' gold. Then Hector called to all his friends, Come and share my treasure trunk! And all the people came and looked and called it junk. So it will be at the end of our lives. All our possessions -- the things we've spent a lifetime working for -- will be nothing but junk. That's when we'll surely know that the best things in life are not things. But we can have the right perspective now, as Paul did. What things were gain to me, these I have counted loss for Christ (Philippians 3:7). We can keep a proper attitude about our possessions, because we possess the surpassing greatness of knowing Christ Jesus our Lord. -- David Roper I'd rather have Jesus than silver or gold, I'd rather be His than have riches untold; I'd rather have Jesus than anything This world affords today. -- Miller ) Renewal 1950 Chancel Music, Inc Our greatest riches are the riches we have in Christ. - This mail is generated from http://www.jesusyouth.org To subscribe to this mailing list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Gospel - truth or lie?
My loving friends, I was just reading all, nice sharing. It is some what easy to preach Gospel to strangers. But it is not at all easy to preach Gospel in his/her own nearer circles, because that is the place were the preacher should practice his/her words. Disciples learned and practiced lot of things from Jesus Christ. Disciples' had followers - they learned about Jesus, and practiced lot of things from disciples. They wrote Gospel... they converted the entire universe in one day... they sacrificed there life... they preached Gospel to animals birds We learn more and more about Jesus his disciples, we study about saints and we wonder about 'Ancient Christianity'. We attend Evangelization course. We write thesis about Jesus that the people can't understand and we forget to love and we hide the Word of God in The Bible. But some people are different and we always learn from them. We know who they are. They are the living Gospels. I am not speaking about someone like Mother Teresa I am speaking about the silent saints who are with us. May be mother, may be father... may be that unknown friend may be that priest... the list goes on, but only few. If we are like them it easy to preach The Gospel. After several decades a grandma will tell her grandchildren stories about JYs. (I dream so). Once upon a time there lived a Jesus Youth, he/she did lot of miracle and was killed.(or he long lived for Jesus). And children will go to bed. What the next generation learn from me? with lots of lov prayers smiju joseph, auh _ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Vastu Shastra
Hi Joynetters, Good afternoon. I am glad to see so many JYs replying on the subject of Vastu Shastra. The response was mind boggling. Infact before I could send this mail I was quite confident that Vastu shastra is against our Christian faith. Though I was confident about it, I had a difficulty in convincing others, my Christians neighbours friends and I am glad now that I can confidently speak to my friends about the slavery this particular science can lead to. Yes it is defintely a science which has its roots in the unknown world. I don't have a very good scientific knowledge but what I do know is that science is based on reasoning but I don't see any reasoning in vastu shastra. The promoters of vastu shastra say that a house built under the norms of this shastra brings peace and prosperity in the housemaybe it's true but I know of a greater truth or should I say truth personified in Christ Himself. The Bible says that Jesus can bring peace and we keep singing this hymn in the Church No one can give me that peace which my risen Lord, my risen King can give. If we believe in the Word of God and faithfully sing this hymn, then we won't try to search for peace in vastu shastra. Those who don't know Christ or haven't yet experienced His love, going to these channels is understood, they will be forgiven cause they are ignorant. But what about us who know the Truth, are we willing to face judgement then?? And as Christians we have to witness about the peace of Christ in our families which surely will be there if we give Jesus that place and honour in our families and in our personal lives. If anything else takes His place first in our lives then He will move out. He has to be first and He deserves that place. And I completely agree with Elizabeth Smitha that we won't get our share of blessings if we deny the presence of Jesus in our lives. If the tall claims of this so called vastu shastra could manage to bring peace prosperity in our homes, then I don't understand why Jesus had to come in this world and live a hard life as a human then being treated badly by us and crucified on the cross brutally. God was so very much concerned about our happiness not just earthly but eternal happiness that He gave His only Son to die for us so that we may enjoy the never ending joy, peace happiness. When we accept Jesus as the Lord and Mmaster of our lives and enthrone Him as the King of our homes, their will be storms and crisis, but then here Christ will be with us and we won't panic cause He will help us go through the storm of our lives like the incident in the Gospel where the Apostles's boat was tossed by the storm in the sea. Jesus silenced the storm and brought peace. He will bring the same peace in our lives. He is our Good Shepherd Who cares for us. We should not rely on mechanisms such as vastu shastra to bring that peace which our Risen Christ can give. Whenever we are tossed by the storms of life and our faith starts shaking let us claim the promises of Christ and we will be guided by our Lord through these problems, Christ himself will give us this assurance. Psalm 23 (The Lord is my Shepherd) is a promise from the Lord that He will never leave us and I keep singing this hymn whenever I feel lonely and surrounded with trouble. This Psalm gives me assurance of Christ's presence in my life. My family itself was on the realm of breaking and the peace that is now in our family is only because we decided that no matter what Christ will be the centre of our Home and we as a family are still united, Praise the Lord !!! Because only love can bind us human beings and it is the Love of Christ our Saviour cause only His love is perfect. The Love of Christ sets us free whereas anything other than that may it be horoscope, vastu shastra, etc will only bind us and make us their slaves. Christ has made us free let us enjoy this freedom and keep thanking our Lord for the freeing us from slavery of sin. Secondly I would also like to point here that came very strongly from many of the mails on this topic was that those who try to approach this mechanism are only trying to escape the pains and sufferings. They only want happiness and peace in their lives. I believe that if sorrow wouldn't have been in our lives then I don't know how I could enjoy the happiness that follows it or for that matter how would I enjoyed the peace if there was no storm in my life. Christ has said that If you wish to be my desciple take up your cross and follow me. Cross is a mark of Christianity, it has a significant role to play in our lives then why run away from it but willingly carry it placing our confidence in Christ who though died on the cross was resurrected and if are the followers of Christ, we too will be resurrected and enjoy eternal happiness. Jesus wants us to carry our cross and focus our vision on Him but when we try to escape from our crosses then we focus our attention on mechanisms
[JOYnet] Re: Do something for the Lord's glory...
Dear Godwin Manuel, I have a great pleasure to be part of it, Do something for the People of God, My simple suggest is that we can study every day one Word of God and try to recognize that what Jesus really talking to us. These words we will share to our friends and make these words true in our PRACTICAL every day life. I am 100% guaranty you, there will be miracles and Giant things will happen to our life in a very special way. John : 1 ( 1-10) Biju Jose, JY -Fujairah. From: Godwin Manuel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Do something for the Lord's glory... Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:16:28 -0800 (PST) Note: forwarded message attached. - Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now message5.txt Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Will God like this?
Dear friends in Christ, I was thinking on the same lines which Mr. Shaji wrote. Yesterday I was sharing this BBC news with my hindu friend and he told about the story of milk drinking idols. Its okay that we can see a burnt image on chapathi, but it should not be the one to worship. Yours in Christ BIJU.V.SEBASTIAN --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.368 / Virus Database: 204 - Release Date: 5/29/02 This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Miracle Chapathi on BBC News
Dear Joynetters, You can also see the ' Miracle Chapathi ' alongwih details on the following link in BBC News : http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/south_asia/2484195.stm In HIS grip and grace, (Thomas) Bangalaore, India Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Picture of Jesus even Mother Mary on chapathi - Bangalore
Dear Joynetters, This is in continuation to Suma's mail. The picture of Jesus Mother Mary on chappathi has appeared in today's edition of Deccan Herald, Bangalore. Please visit the following link to see the picture alongwith details. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/nov19/c3.asp In HIS grip and grace, (Thomas) Bangalore, India --- Suma [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A report from Hindusthan times . Many would have heard about it . Its on display at Renewal center Bangalore . God is dead, or so said Nietzsche, the famous German philosopher. He probably didn't visit India before saying so Nietzsche's theory was proved incorrect when thousands of devotees thronged a small suburb in Bangalore to catch the glimpse of their venerable deity, Jesus Christ, on - believe it or not - a chapati Strange, but true. A hazy image of Jesus appeared on a chapati that was partly burnt, a demonstration that faith is rewarded by miracles Sheela Anthony, a staunch Christian, came home after offering prayers at a church and prepared chapatis for her kids. The children refused to eat one of them as it was burnt. After looking at it carefully, she found an emblem of Jesus on the burnt part Overflowing with spiritual emotions at Bangalore's Renewal Retreat Centre, a place of prayer for Christians, she said, For a moment the burnt part of the chapati looked li! ke Christ. I couldn't believe my eyes and kept looking at it. With a lot of hesitation, I showed it to my daughters and neighbours, who also said that it was Jesus. Thereafter Sheela Authony took it to Father George Jacob of Renewal Retreat Center, who confirmed that the image was indeed that of Jesus. He firmly believes that it is a miracle Being a staunch devotee of Jesus, it was Sheela's great gift to the other followers. From morning till late in the evening, around 20,000 people come in to catch the glimpse of Lord Jesus on the chapati, said Father Jacob The holy chapati has been placed at the central shrine for public viewing. Followers who came from distant places to witness it felt that it was a huge miracle. Yahoo! Web Hosting - Let the expert host your site http://webhosting.yahoo.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Re: Vasthu shastra - Culture and Belief
Dear JYs Amid simmering discussion and all I guess we all are missing the point here. We are all Scientific Youth. The very fact that we are mailing out here on JY shows that we are a part of being a Scientific Youth... hehe... or else we would be writing letters and posting it with saliva applied stamps (winks). Its when u place more faith in Science than in God that the problem actually arises. More like have strong belief in the Creation rather than the Creator. Now again let me tell you about Vastu Shastra. Vastu Shastra sure seems to be the Science of Architecture. But there is a purpose for applying this Science. Our Churches may have applied some architectural grace to their structures. I do know from my old elders that they believed that since the Lord Jesus Christ was born in the East it is good to have ur house facing the East. So that early morning u get up and greet the Sun / Son. Maybe that is why some Churches do face the East. But let me tell you that this has nothing to do with Vastu Shastra. Because according to Vastu Shastra this is what is required of a Place of Worship. 1. Room for prayer and meditation [Chapel / Altar] is recommended to be in the north-east corner of the house. 2. Deity or image of god [Statutes] should not face the south direction. Ideal positions are such that you face east or west while praying Now if as some of you say that earlier Churches were 'only' built using Vastu Shastra please check in those churches or ur own church where your Room for prayer is located, where the statues are facing. Can u now say that Vastu Shastra were applied to them. Since my Boss is a member of pro hindu fundamental group I was able to get some further knowledge on Vastu Shastra. You'll be shocked. Because this was also present in a Website. Vastu, as the legend in Matsya Purana goes, was born out of the sweat of Lord Shiva while fighting and killing a giant called 'Andhakasur' meaning dark giant. The Vastu purush (personified) is lying down on the entire Earth with his head towards the North-East and feet at the South-West points of the Earth. Brahma, the creator of the universe and other Devas, granted him a boon to satisfy his immense hunger that whosoever constructs buildings on Earth shall offer Pooja (worship) to him and make offerings if they want to enjoy health, wealth and prosperity in their new buildings. This is how Vastu Pooja came to be performed before starting the construction of any new building Vastu is the science of architecture of ancient India. Vastu, in Sanskrit means nature, a surroundings or environment. The word Vaastu came from Vastu, denoting anything existing such as a house, shelter, building etc. Shastra in Sanskrit means a system. Vastu is applied to dwelling sites and Vaastu to proper dwellings. They are nearly synonymous. Now I ask you again. Can u now say that our Churches have used Vastu Shastra. Can u now say that as Christ followers we can induce this in our Culture where we trust ourselves and not God that since our establishment is VASTU COMPLIANT we r gonna lead a nice peaceful and harmonous life. As Christians do you still believe that we can apply so called GOOD ASPECTS of Vastu Shastra that speaks of peace and prosperity through our dwellings [materialistic] rather than through God. As a honest confession, I can only say that Vastu Shastra helped me at one time. (surprised ). I had a friend who kept his bed in the north - south direction and always slept with his head facing the East [He told me it was VS but later I heard even Feung Shui has somewhat the same practices]. So whenever I visited him I knew which direction the Sun was gonna rise... hehehe besides that as a lover of Christ I have never had any use for this Shastra. do u ??? urs in faith Jason Mumbai - Original Message - From: george kuriakose [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 10:25 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Re: Vasthu shastra - Culture and Belief Dear Brothers and sisters in Christ, As Mary said in her E-mail, we should clearly distinguish between our Beleif and our Culture. In India we Christians do a lot of things as part of culture and not as part of our beleif. For example we light crackers during Diwali Not because we beleive in Hinduism. Indian Christians have always fought to preserve thier culture.The Pope himself have accepted the Prayers and culture of the Malankara Catholics.What does that say? Jesus himself followed the Jewish culture because he was born in that place.I have never read anywhere that Jesus put on a suit of clothes or Pyjamas or Dhoti.He wore the same dress as Jews and did what the Jews did and opposed the wrong things that the Jews did at that time I don't think Jesus has a problem in we doing the same in any country But the attitude with which we do things is important. If we are doing these things to please some false gods then we have a problem right
[JOYnet] Re: Vasthu shastra
Hi all, Good to see more people participating in the current discussion about Vaastu shastra. I want to put a word of caution. While we are going ahead with discussion, please don't take it personal. Even if we disagree with some body, please try to see that we are not hurting anybody in this discussion. We need to have a healthy and mature discussion. All of us have the freedom to express our opinion in a mature way. Even if it is wrong!!! Let's remember Our intention is not to prove somebody wrong. Through these discussions we are trying to learn about different subjects which will help all of us to do the discernment in our Christian life. In some of our earlier discussions also we had similar situations where people got hurt and they completely stopped out of JOYnet. Please be careful Let's build each other in Christ... with the love of Christ... Mathew Joseph Bangalore, India. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Vasthu shastra
Hi JY, I am a Malankara Catholic and I have noticed that all our churches face towards the East. With Prayers Your Sister in Christ Meena _ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Re: Vasthu shastra
Hi all, I agree with Mathew Joseph, regarding the tone of discussions. We should be very sure that we are not hurting others and taking things personally. And i definetly encourage the current debate on vastushasthra, of which i was not much aware of. What i understood from Sajith Antony's mail is that church might adopt something from Vasthusahstra or support practising some of it's practices provided they are truly scientific and is not against the teaching of majesterium. Like church has accepted THALI (wedding THALI) and nilavillakku . BUT as things stands now VasthuShastra as i understand from these discussions is that there could be i repeat there could be (i'm really sceptical about this ) some scientific facts which is entrapped in horrendous web of superstitions and pagancy. AND nobody has filtered out or proven scientific facts, from this mess and confusion of Vastushasthra. So i think i will always keep a safe distance from this shasthra or what ever it is as long as it is in the present form. After all i've lived all my life without even knowing about this and God has taken care of me so well so why bother at all.A house built on vastu or no vastu makes no difference to me at all !!! And i'm very sure that i don't need any good fortune and good health or what ever it is if it doesn't come from GOD thru Jesus christ. Prayes and love vimal - Original Message - From: Mathew Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: JOYnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, November 15, 2002 2:16 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Re: Vasthu shastra Hi all, Good to see more people participating in the current discussion about Vaastu shastra. I want to put a word of caution. While we are going ahead with discussion, please don't take it personal. Even if we disagree with some body, please try to see that we are not hurting anybody in this discussion. We need to have a healthy and mature discussion. All of us have the freedom to express our opinion in a mature way. Even if it is wrong!!! Let's remember Our intention is not to prove somebody wrong. Through these discussions we are trying to learn about different subjects which will help all of us to do the discernment in our Christian life. In some of our earlier discussions also we had similar situations where people got hurt and they completely stopped out of JOYnet. Please be careful Let's build each other in Christ... with the love of Christ... Mathew Joseph Bangalore, India. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Vastu Shasthra
Hi all, This mail from Alfred Samji was very informative. Thanks samji. Read the following link. There is something interesting here. It is India's 'Vaastu-deficient' Parliament House which is responsible for the country's present problems like political instability, communal disharmony, the terrorist attack on Parliament, unemployment, poverty and illiteracy, opines a Vaastu expert. http://www.deccanherald.com/deccanherald/nov13/n2.asp Going by this theory, we can expect a fully developed and rich India, with 100% employment, once the parliament house is re-built as per Vastu :-) I have seen some houses here in Bangalore which are built as per vastu but doesn't have the basic common facilities. One house was having the toilet entrance from the kitchen. My neighbouring house here has the kitchen facing the front of the house. Some time back one of the Thermal power stations in Karnataka had some frequent break-downs in one of its thermal turbines. The authorities brought one vaastu expert and he suggested to build a boundary fencing for the whole plant with copper wires!! Good trouble shooting for a turbine failure, right :-) Why not lay off the whole maintenance engineers there and have a team of vaastu experts take care of all the industries and manufacturing plants here :-) One thing I always find it difficult to understand. Why is the educated people blindly follow such superstitions?? Mathew Joseph Bangalore, India. - Original Message - From: Alfred Samji [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 13, 2002 1:23 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Vastu Shasthra Have something with regards to the topic Vastu Shasthra. It is said to be part of astrology which is strictly against Christian teaching. It is said that Vastu itself is a deity of another god (we are surely not to serve another god, are we?). Am copying below some excerpts from the web with regards to the topic. Please read for a clearer picture. Vastu Shastra is an ancient science based on astrology and laws laid down in Hindu scriptures to ensure good fortune for the homebuilder and dweller. It is a Vedic concept of construction which finds its roots in Atharva Veda. To receive all round happiness, increase in wealth, health and peace one should give importance to Vastu in making of the house. It is because for this reason one gains or looses, if the house is made according to principles of Vastu or otherwise. The effects of Vastu can be explained in the following way: There are three forces in action to create harmony namely wind water and fire. If these forces are kept in their appropriate place then there will be no disturbance. But if water is put in place of fire and wind in place of water or in any other combination the forces will act accordingly and create disharmony. Vastu Shastra agrees with astrology that our destiny is influenced by nine planets and as such every home is also under their influence. As per astrology each direction is assigned a particular planet and only those objects which are in harmony with that planet should be placed there. Keeping in mind these principles various effects on our destiny can be determined and rectified as mentioned by lord Vishkarma. Q 8. Which are the auspicious / inauspicious times to start construction ? A. According to Shastras, Vastu - the God in command of building construction works, is said to be sleeping most of time and wakes up only during a particular time of particular months in a year. When Vastu is sleeping no construction work should be started, nor the doors be fixed. He normally sleeps - all the time during Jaishtha, Ashwini, Margshirsh and Paush. In these months, if construction is started or main door fixed, following adverties will take place : - - - Jaishtha (Mid of May-June) fear of death Ashwini (Mid of Sep-Oct) - unnecessary fight, bickerings. Margshirsh (Mid of Nov-Dec) - fear of many things Paush (Mid of Dec-Jan) --- fear of fire accidents and loss. It is said that Vastu awakes in the following months namely : - - - Baishakh ( mid April-May) Shravan (mid of July-Aug) Kartik (mid of Oct-Nov) Maagh (mid of Jan-Feb) Phalgun (mid of Feb-March) At a particular time, a learned Pandit should be consulted for exact timing of construction and fixing of main doors. Answer20 - It cannot be denied that Vaastu Shastra is related to astrology to some extent. If in the horoscopes of people the stars Saturn, Mars, Harshal and Neptune are prominent and if the entrance of the houses of these people are in the South they get success in their work. When the stars of the head of the family are prominent he does not feel the effects of the faulty construction to that extent. When the stars of the head the of family are under bad influence the dou-blybad effects of faulty stars and faulty construction are to be borne. But when the
[JOYnet] Re: Vastu shastra
Dear Friends in Christ, Please find a short write up on Vastu Shastra picked up from the internet before furthur discussion. Highlight - According to Shastras,if we worship,revere and respect the lords of these eight directions,they will shower on us their blessings and benefits. ##VASTU SHASTRA ## Vastu in Sanskrit means nature , a surrounding or environment.The word Vaasthu came from Vasthu , denoting anything existing such as house, shelter,building etc.Shastra in sanskrit means systems.Vastu shastra is an ancient art and science,containing principles and practises of constructing buildings which ensures a harmonious balance between man and nature and thereby bring all round happiness,health,wealth and prosperity. Ancient sages of India laid down several principles for constructing buildings taking advantage of the nature,the Pancha Bhootas namely Earth,Space,Air,Fire and water,gravitational and magnetic effects and rotational influences of Sun,Moon,Earth and other planets on the life in Earth with a view to bring balance and harmony between man, nature and his buildings and thereby ensuring peace,prosperity,and happiness.These principles,calledVastu Shastra,were evolved over thousands of years out of experience and foresight of ancient Sages of India and are very valuable for the well being of man-kind. According to Shastras,if we worship,revere and respect the lords of these eight directions,they will shower on us their blessings and benefits. Esshan ie Ishwar(North-east) - He grants us wisdom,knowledge and serve all comforts and relieves us from sufferings. Indra(East) - He is the king of angels. He gives wealth and all pleasures of life. Agni/Fire(South-east) - He gives us beautiful personality and all the best of life. Yamaa or Yamaha(South) - He is god of death.He is embodiment of dharma.He eradicates evils and grants all good things. Nissan or Niruti (South-west) - He vanishes fear about our enemies. Varun(West) - He is god of rain. He showers his blessings through rain and brings prosperity and pleasure in life all round. Vayu/Wind(North-west) - He bestows on us long life,health and strength.He is the basic of all life. Kuber(North) - He is god of wealth.He grants us wealth and all comforts of life. Who does not want all these things in life??? These gods belong to all religions,races and castes and creeds. Now-a-days,when people want to construct a house or other building, they devote more time for minute details of foundation,superstructure, comforts,look,appearance etc.without going into detailed examination as to whether such a house or building will bring them prosperity, health,wealth,wisdom and happiness in the life paving the way for progress and peaceful living or not. Vaastu is such a vast field which really needs specialisation if someone want to study it .There are some basic favourable and unfavourable directions which we use in our daily life. Shape of plot - Favourites are regular shaped square or rectangular plota AND irregular shaped plots are normally avoided. Water-bodies - Water bodies in north or east are considered good. Obstruction - Obstruction like big trees,open well,pillars and posts before a arrow like roads are to be avoided. building Ideal site - In a square plot the house should be constructed in the for house centre and in rectangular plot it should be nearer to construction south,south west and west sides preferably leaving more in a plot open space on north and east. L or Considered not suitable for house as corners will be U shaped missing and occupants will be missing oppurtunities. plots ## God Bless George NJ USA This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Re: Vastu shastra
Vastu Shastra is a relevant topic brought out as we are more than 1000 in this wonderful net and if we are convinced, we can make others convince. I would like to share some of my thoughts as I was trying to find an answer on this as I was totally disturbed to see many of Christians going behind superstitions like Vastu Shastra, astrology, horoscope, etc etc. I was shocked to read one of our JesusYouth's statement So you cannot turn away from Vasthushastra just because it is an Hindu way.Why not we adopt some of the Good aspects in it. I have got a Filipino Civil Engineer sitting next to me in my office. Once I noticed he taking an instrument to find the direction of north pole with him. When asked he told it is to find the location of his new flat entrance matching his wife's stars. I admit I failed to convince this Catholic that he was doing a sin, when he wanted me to stop the conversation saying that we are not priests to live according to Bible. What I understood from him was he got this belief from Chinese who were working in construction of houses in Philippines. Now as we interact with Hindu's we also started adopting their ways. This is the main reason St. Paul restricts believers from interacting with Pagans as we may try to adopt such things if our belief in Lord Jesus is not firmly rooted. First of all let us come to Holy Word of God. Whenever we take the Bible in our hand let us keep two thoughts in our mind. Whatever is needed for our salvation is written in the Bible and whatever is not need for our salvation is not written in the Bible. If we believe that Bible is Word of God. God spoke through the prophet Zephaniah I'll drive away those who kneel down the roof to worship the stars. (Zep. 1:5) In Ad62 the first century Church in Colossian was facing same crisis when some Christians where led by astrology and horoscope. Paul strongly says If you have accepted Christ Jesus as Lord, let Him be your doctrine. Be rooted and built up in Him; ..See that no one deceives you with philosophy or any hollow discourse; these are merely human doctrines not inspired by Christ but by the wisdom of world. For in Him dwells the fullness of God in bodily form. He is the head of all cosmic power and authority, and in Him you have everything. (Col. 2:6-10) Stars Planets may have power or not, that has nothing to do with us, as long as we believe in God who revealed his almighty power in Christ when he raised Him from dead and had Him seated at His right hand in heaven, far above all rule, power, authority, domination, or any other supernatural forces that could be named, not only in this world but in the world to come as well. Thus has God put all things under the feet of Christ and set Him above all things .. (Eph. 1:20-22). Same message Peter writes in first letter 3:22. The question is -is our aim of life the wealth prosperity of this life? Is it for that we are being Christian ? These Vastu Shastra, astrology or horoscope claims to give wealth prosperity but will any of these claim to lead us to eternal life, which we are longing for. Are we believing in Jesus for any material benefits of this world. Some Christians in Corinthians thought of that , Paul writes If it is only for this life that we hope in Christ, we are the unfortunate of all people. (1Cor 15:19) Paul writes again They only think of earthly things. For us our citizen ship is in heaven (Philip 3:19,20) Jesus has promised to take care of all our needs if we live a life in Him, what do we want more than that? As Jesus says, before you ask God know what you want. In letter to Philippines Paul continues God himself will provide you with everything you need according to his riches .(4:19) We are not believing in a God among many Gods. We are putting our faith in one and only one true God. When I read Jesus words I'm the way, the truth the life I always read it as Jesus is the ONLY way, the ONLY truth the ONLY life So no need of looking into other religions because in Jesus there is fullness and His doctrine is perfect complete. If not getting a good sleep no need to change the direction of the bed, if no success in studies no need to change the location of study room, for wealth prosperity no need to bind ourselves to Vastu Shastra, never hesitate to come back after you started your journey if you forgot to take something , don't look at the time or day to start anything, don't be afraid if a cat crosses you on your way, Let astrology and horoscope not decide our future, ...because Jesus is still alive and He is above all the power authority. He has poured on us His spirit, He has given us the power over evil spirit. He has given us the greatest weapon HIS BLOOD. Let me conclude by 1Corinthians 8:5,6 People speaks of other God in heaven and on earth and in sense there are many gods lords. Yet for us, there is but one God, the Father, from whom everything comes, and to whom we go. And there is
[JOYnet] RE: THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM
THINGS ARE NOT ALWAYS WHAT THEY SEEM Two travelling angels stopped to spend the night in the home of a wealthy family. The family was rude and refused to let the angels stay in the mansion's guestroom. Instead the angels were given a small space in the cold basement. As they made their bed on the hard floor, the older angel saw a hole in the wall and repaired it. When the younger angel asked why, the older angel replied, Things aren't always what they seem. The next night the pair came to rest at the house of a very poor, but very hospitable farmer and his wife. After sharing what little food they had the couple let the angels sleep in their bed where they could have a good night's rest. When the sun came up the next morning the angels found the farmer and his wife in tears. Their only cow, whose milk had been their sole income, lay dead in the field. The younger angel was infuriated and asked the older angel how could you have let this happen? The first man had everything, yet you helped him, she accused. The second family had little but was willing to share everything, and you let the cow die. Things aren't always what they seem, the older angel replied. When we stayed in the basement of the mansion, I noticed there was gold stored in that hole in the wall. Since the owner was so obsessed with greed and unwilling to share his good fortune, I sealed the wall so he wouldnt find it. Then last night as we slept in the farmers bed, the angel of death came for his wife. I gave him the cow instead. Things aren't always what they seem. Sometimes that is exactly what happens when things don't turn out the way they should. If you have faith, you just need to trust that every outcome is always to your advantage. You might not know it until some time later... --- HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] RE: desert walk
A story tells that two friends were walking through the desert. During some point of the journey they had an argument,and one friend slapped the other one in the face. ?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office / The one who got slapped was hurt, but without saying anything,wrote in the sand:TODAY MY BEST FRIEND SLAPPED ME IN THE FACE. They kept on walking until they found an oasis,where they decided to take a bath. The one who had been slapped got stuck in the mire and started drowning, but the friend saved him. After he recovered from the near drowning, he wrote on a stone: TODAY MY BEST FRIEND SAVED MY LIFE. The friend who had slapped and saved his best friend asked him, After I hurt you, you wrote in the sand and now, you write on a stone, why? The other friend replied: When someone hurts us we should write it down in sand where winds of forgiveness can erase it away. But,when someone does something good for us, we must engrave it in stone where no wind can ever erase it. LEARN TO WRITE YOUR HURTS IN THE SAND AND TO CARVE YOUR BENEFITS IN STONE They say it takes a minute to find a special person, an hour to appreciate them, a day to love them, but then an entire life to forget them. Take the time to live!! _ Story adopted from [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Vicent Thomas - Dubai) _ This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Happy Diwali
Dear Friends, Wish you all the greetings for a happy Diwali. Let us pray together that the people who celebrate Diwali may be led by the real light that is Jesus. Attached please find some points for your thoughts. Please send your comments. N.A.Kurian HotJobs - Search new jobs daily now http://hotjobs.yahoo.com/ [demime 0.99c.8 removed an attachment of type application/ppt which had a name of Daily Work.ppt] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] RE: Christian Sensitivity! Shalom Editorial
Hi E-one, True this is a very important article.Please so read.Thank u Shaji Chacko for posting it. Milan Changanasserry/Kerala/India THE HORROR IN FRIENDLY INQUIRY Making a friendly inquiry is a good practice. But without love it may hurt people. Consider an unmarried girl. She may not be anxious about her marriage and may be having the faith to wait for the Lord's time, but the painful inquiries of the people around her may hurt her heart. Some aged women are of the habit to ask, Is your marriage not yet settled? in public. No one is concerned about the pain these girls undergo when they see their peers getting married. I have seen many girls who are reluctant to go to Church for fear of questions like Is your marriage not yet settled? or Aren't any proposals coming for you? When they go for any marriage their acquaintances and friends comment, Oh! I thought that you were already married. These people don't understand the pain and hatred that would arise in the minds of the girls on hearing such questions. Many childless couples too bear such pains. The irrational questions of a few regarding the childlessness hurts many a number of couples trying to forget this pain. Did you consult a doctor? Whose problem is this? What is the problem?- Such unrestrained inquiry without any concern for the self-respect and feelings of the couple would arise only from a heart without love. Inquiry is often done as a formality and not because of any concern for the childlessness of the couple or the problems in the marriage of a girl. Sympathizing may not be out of love always. It may be arise from haughtiness or hatred. Even if it is out of love, sympathizing without prudence will only aggravate the sadness. For instance, consider a widow who has not recovered from the demise of her husband. Usually sympathizers come forth there. Oh! How loving was he? God doesn't allow good people to live long. this is fate. he looks as though he is asleep. Such comments bring back the thoughts about the husband to the wife who would have been in the process of recovering from the demise of her beloved. Instead of talking on such matters, exchange a few words on the love and care of God and his plans for our welfare. This would strengthen them to move forward in life with confidence. A girl who was totally blind said, Though I don't have eyesight I don't want to live under the sympathy of anyone. I can think, dream, pray and love people. God has blessed me with the grace to recognize sound, smell and touch. I am not an unfortunate person as such. Oh, my girl, how much unfortunate are you? it is such sympathizing questions that is making me regressive about life. It is not my blindness but the painful words of those people who don't understand the feelings of my heart that leaves me exhausted. Recently the parents of a mentally retarded child said, we were heart broken when we understood that the child is mentally retarded. We couldn't accept the hard fact. Finally we committed ourselves to the will of God. Today we are discovering ourselves through the child. the birth of this child has strengthened our faith. This child is a blessing for us today. We are able to overcome the problems of each day through faith. But our problem now is the sympathizing of the people around us. Those who see the child try to convey their sympathy in every way possible. Therefore today we fear to show the child to anyone. Sympathizing is inexpensive. But should it be under the expense of others? Benny Punnathara http://www.sundayshalom.com www.sundayshalom.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re : 4th Birthday
Hi Everyone, Very glad to hear that Joynet is celebrating its 4th birthday. A VERY BIG HAPPY BIRTHDAY to JOYNET. I know I am late in wishing... but what to do, I had been to kerala for a retreat at Jersualem Retreat Centre, Trishur. Joined today only. It was a good experience. Feeling now fresh and full of energy and filled with spirit. I came in touch with Joynet through my office colleague Lyann around one year back can't remember exactly when.. and I am very grateful to her for introducing me to Joynet. Now i am proud to be a part of Joynet family and have learnt a lot from this family. I have a question in my mind.. Can anyone throw light on how and when Joynet came into existence and who is behind it? Just to know its origin. Yours in Jesus ChristBiji ThomasMumbai Unlimited Internet access for only $21.95/month. Try MSN! Click Here This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] RE: Christian Sensitivity! Shalom Editorial
Dear Friends, Perhaps, one of the things that make or break relationships, is sensitivity or the lack of it towards the other person. Well intentioned and sometimes, not so well - intentioned inquiries hurt people, especially those in the same prayer group, cell or parish! You yourself might have been a victim to this! Certain questions about family, finance, illness ...the list goes on... Therefore, the relevance of Benny Punnathara's (of Shalom, Calicut) article forwarded herewith The Priest his assistant in the Good Samaritan's story who didn't help the wounded man were right in their actions. They were not supposed to get defiled on their way to worship God as per the Law those days. However, Jesus had a different view. He praised the Good Samaritan - the kind man from the enemy state of the wounded man, who was: - Sensitive - Kind - Arranged to care the wounded man. In other words, to Sympathize is all the more easy for us as Charismats (We have a soft corner for everybody!). That's not enough of a Christian, unfortunately! We need to Empathize. When you add an action of Love to Sympathy, you have Empathy! Examples we know: Veronica wiping Jesus' face during His Passion, Mother Mary helping out panic stricken Cana family with wine, Jesus asking the Blind beggar - What do you want? and many more. Sometimes all we need to do is just to make silent intercessions without asking embarrassing questions (which satisfies a personal need the need to know it!). Jesus NEVER asks for an account of anyone's past. He's only interested to know if you are willing...willing to follow Him NOW...faithfully!!! May we have His Heart and Mind to follow His Life Style! I dedicate this mail Benny's message to all the JYs and the would be JYs and all those who were ever hurt by our in-sensitiveness. God bless us all, Shaji Chacko, Dubai 13 October 2002 THE HORROR IN FRIENDLY INQUIRY Making a friendly inquiry is a good practice. But without love it may hurt people. Consider an unmarried girl. She may not be anxious about her marriage and may be having the faith to wait for the Lord's time, but the painful inquiries of the people around her may hurt her heart. Some aged women are of the habit to ask, Is your marriage not yet settled? in public. No one is concerned about the pain these girls undergo when they see their peers getting married. I have seen many girls who are reluctant to go to Church for fear of questions like Is your marriage not yet settled? or Aren't any proposals coming for you? When they go for any marriage their acquaintances and friends comment, Oh! I thought that you were already married. These people don't understand the pain and hatred that would arise in the minds of the girls on hearing such questions. Many childless couples too bear such pains. The irrational questions of a few regarding the childlessness hurts many a number of couples trying to forget this pain. Did you consult a doctor? Whose problem is this? What is the problem?- Such unrestrained inquiry without any concern for the self-respect and feelings of the couple would arise only from a heart without love. Inquiry is often done as a formality and not because of any concern for the childlessness of the couple or the problems in the marriage of a girl. Sympathizing may not be out of love always. It may be arise from haughtiness or hatred. Even if it is out of love, sympathizing without prudence will only aggravate the sadness. For instance, consider a widow who has not recovered from the demise of her husband. Usually sympathizers come forth there. Oh! How loving was he? God doesn't allow good people to live long. this is fate. he looks as though he is asleep. Such comments bring back the thoughts about the husband to the wife who would have been in the process of recovering from the demise of her beloved. Instead of talking on such matters, exchange a few words on the love and care of God and his plans for our welfare. This would strengthen them to move forward in life with confidence. A girl who was totally blind said, Though I don't have eyesight I don't want to live under the sympathy of anyone. I can think, dream, pray and love people. God has blessed me with the grace to recognize sound, smell and touch. I am not an unfortunate person as such. Oh, my girl, how much unfortunate are you? it is such sympathizing questions that is making me regressive about life. It is not my blindness but the painful words of those people who don't understand the feelings of my heart that leaves me exhausted. Recently the parents of a mentally retarded child said, we were heart broken when we understood that the child is mentally retarded. We couldn't accept the hard fact. Finally we committed ourselves to the will of God. Today we are discovering ourselves through the child. the birth of this child has strengthened our faith. This child
[JOYnet] Re: Prayer for Princey
PRAISE THE LORD Dear brothers and sisters in Jesus Chrit, Many thanks for your prayer support for Princy in Dammam. I thank the brothers and sisters who responded to this prayer request. Thank God there is no problem for her now, except she is closely observed. In fact the search was done by the Warden, who was a Catholic and now embraced to Islam. Please pray for the Warden that she may change. I had the message from Dammam and asked for your valuable prayers. Please also remember in your daily prayers our brothers and sisters in Saudi Arabia. With love and prayers, Yours in Jesus Christ, Michael Abraham Bahrain _ Surf the Web without missing calls! Get MSN Broadband. http://resourcecenter.msn.com/access/plans/freeactivation.asp This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Musical Reckoning ?
Dear JYs I remeber asking you wonderful ppl about which Christian Music do u really love listening to. I had got a very minimal response. But whatever response I have received I am posting it out here for the benefit of others who also are interested in listening to Spiritual Music. In case any of you do know some more Christian Artiste who sing Spritual Music can u please share it out here. Seena George - Don Moen, Hosanna Music Ministries Sindhu, Chicago,USA. Carman,Michael Card,John Michael Talbot,Amy Grant,Twila Paris, Rebecca St.James,Petra,Steven Curtis Chapman,Bob Carlisle,Michael .w.smith, Rich Mullins,Bryan Duncan,Sandi Patty,Ray Boltz,Phil Kaeggy... Then cassetes of Maranatha music inc,celebrant singers,Hosanna music etc Abby Abraham Micheal W Smith, Cheri Keaggy or Don Moen Meena Mathew- Darlene Zschech, Don Moen is also very good Hector Lewis - John Michel Talbert Ron Kenoly of the Hosana musics Manoj Jose Nellary: don moen, bob Lisa Jose suggested the following online radio sites where Christian Music can be listened to: If you have online radio, check out http://www.klove.com http://www.air1radio.com http://www.worldwideworship.com there are many more i am sure, urs in faith Jason Mumbai Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] POPE TO ADD NEW MYSTERIES TO THE ROSARY
Sindhu, Do you have any idea what those 5 new mysteries are? I am really curious to find out. Lovely This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. For more info on the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet To unsubscribe from the list send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to the list visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet/join To get a standard help message on the list services send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Urgent Prayer Request : Ravi Vaz
Kindly note with regards to this Prayer Request sent this morning, Ravi's friend[Jose]'s Father expired somewhere around Mid-day today. Ravi would like to thank all of you for taking time out to Pray. urs in faith Jason Mumbai Don't cry because it's over, smile because it happened. - Original Message - From: Jason :) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:04 AM Subject: Urgent Prayer Request : Ravi Vaz Dear JYs Please pray for my Friends Father who is very serious at present. from Ravi Vaz Mumbai This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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[JOYnet] Re: JYUK about JY Malaysia an urgent prayer request
Dear friends, It is really joyful to hear about the sprouting and growth of JYUK, shared by Joseph John. It is really inspiring, especially for Jaison George and me, since, we are now working in Malaysia where we could not get in touch with any other JYs, until now. I am grateful that Joseph continuously keeps mailing to me, filling me with hope and courage, and he is who introduced Jaison to me. Joseph and Dexon J Netto (Singapore) are really pushing us to start JY here. Many other joynet friends also have sent encouraging mails to me. Also, thank our good Lord that even though Malaysia is a Muslim dominated country, we enjoy enough freedom for our Christian activities, except that Muslims are not allowed to attend the church activities. Now an urgent prayer request: I want to attend the JY gathering in Singapore, on Sunday (1st sept). But leave is not yet sanctioned. Please pray that I will be able to attend it, if it is the will of God. Also, can we expect your continuous prayer support for JY Malaysia? If at least some of you take a decision to say one decade of a rosary daily, for JY Malaysia, I feel it will work miracles. I am sure we will get the prayer support from all of you. God bless you all. With love and prayers, Saju P.J, Malaysia - This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] New York is Alive! Praise the Lord!
Hi All, Thank you all for your prayers for the Rexband. See the good results as shown in the following E-mail. Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, Princeton, New Jersey, USA Hello Jesus Youth of America, Yes, it is true..New York is finally Alive! Thanks be to God! For those of you who don't know about what has been going on in New York, we started a Prayer Group in White Plains more than a year ago with Jothiny Platharayil's help. We started with a strong mind. But as time moved on, the fire was dead within the group and no motivation was there from the youth. But with many of your prayers and Jothiny's willingness to continue to work with us , we kept going. The Rex Band seemed to be the turning point in our group's spiritual life. The Rex Band opened many of our hearts to the Lord, including mine. I was able to put aside all the other worries in my life and focus on the Lord, and I continue to do so. Sometimes I feel that the Rex band was sent to light the fire in New York, and they truly did. Praise the Lord! Our prayer meeting, after the Rex Band left, was more powerful than it ever was before, and since then we have only continued to get stronger. A few of us met as a core group before World Youth Day and put down on paper all the things that we would like to accomplish as the Lord's children. We wrote down a lot of ideas but we know that prayer is most important. We have decided to continue to focus on prayer and see what the Lord leads us to do. We need ALL of YOUR PRAYERS in this matter. We do not want to fall away EVER. Please keep us in your prayers, so that we may grow in love with the Lord as well as bring others within New York to the Lord. I want to give my utmost thanks to all of those in Jesus Youth of America that has been praying for us from the beginning. You didnt lose faith in us even after all this time, and it is your faith and love in the Lord that has kept us going. Thank you! I, Julie, will be the spokesperson to JYA about how things are moving along with New York. I might need some help at times, so I might contact some of you personally (hope you dont mind). All of you are welcome to our meetings. We meet Every second sunday from 3:30pm-5:30pm at St. John's the Evangelist CHurch, 148 Hamilton Avenue White Plains, NY 10605. If there is ever a change of date or time we will inform you. As we continue to grow in faith I ask all of you to keep in touch with us in New York and keep us in your prayers. Thanks to All! Praise God! Love and Prayers, Julie Vembenil (914)-428-5678 This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [JOYnet] Re: [JYA] New York is Alive! Praise the Lord!
Dear Kurian Uncle et al !! That's awesome !!! Nice to see the good results. It reminds me of your prayer request from you for the Rex band programmes in the US Yes, when we all call upon the Lord in one voice He will shower His blessings !! I still find it hard to belive the way the Rex Band guys got their US Visa. It is the rarest thing to happen in the US consulate for a group of 19 to get their US visa stamped immediately after the interview that too with the passports given then and there itself. Again a week later Imagine a team of 6 (that includes a little child) coming all the way from UAE to India after finishing their programme in the night, to reach Chennai in the morning; to go to the US consulatee for the visa interview; to get the visa stamped and get the passports in the late evening of the same day. And finally to fly to Chicago on the next day. The officer in the consulate remarked after stamping the passports we don't want to disappoint the 2 million audience There was a series of miracles, to put in a few words. It was indeed an eye-opener for me too. Love 'n Prayers -Giju /Chennai,India -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Kurian Nellikunnel Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 6:57 PM To: Jesus Net Subject: [JOYnet] Re: [JYA] New York is Alive! Praise the Lord! Hi All, Thank you all for your prayers for the Rexband. See the good results as shown in the following E-mail. Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, Princeton, New Jersey, USA Hello Jesus Youth of America, Yes, it is true..New York is finally Alive! Thanks be to God! snipped This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In response to Anita's mail, I think that was an interesting story and very relevant too. I remember when we used to have prayer groups during my undergrad years in SME (Kottayam) and sometimes when someone did not agree with someone else's point of view or behaviour, especially when it was from the so called leaders I was tempted to stop coming for all those prayer meetings. I don't remember who it was but someone told gave me a lovely piece of advice. Don't let the focus of your prayer group be on anyone else but the 'real leader' Jesus Christ. Diversity will always be present in any group of people because we are all individuals and we all have our own beautiful way of thinking and reasoning. However when we concentrate on ourselves and our thoughts, when pride takes over, or when we become so narrow minded that we think only we are right, our original focus shifts to a new one. the new focus could be anything related to the group, it could be another individual, it could be one's own glorification, anything, but that is immaterial. what is important is that we realise what the point of our group meeting was in the first place and readjust our vision and our energies to our original focus point. with love in Jesus sheril daniel :) grahamstown, south africa anitha dsouza wrote:My dear friends, Just want to share with you a story for reflection. It would be nice if we could read the story carefully , think, pray and reflect about it and share our inspirations with our beautiful group ..which I am sure will help many of the prayer groups all round. So please do share your thoughts after you have gone through this, Once, there were two angels, the good one named Gabriel and the one who had stood against God whose name was Lucifer; both of them went on to tour the whole world. As they came across a small village, both of them happened to glance at a poor villager, ploughing his fields, singing joyfully the spiritual hymns that he had often heard in the church. They both knew that, he was a simple and a humble man, who was pure in heart and did no harm to anybody. Gabriel was indeed pleased to see him, so joyfully absorbed in his work and decided to reward him more, so that he would be an effective instruement of Christ. As the farmer went on ploughing, Gabriel threw down a little grace of evangelization towards his path. The farmer suddenly caught hold of the grace, gave thanks to the Lord , left his plough in the fields and ran into the village, with His new found mission to evangelize. Gabriel, being very pleased with the farmers response, challenged Lucifer, See, how eager the Lords people are, to carry out their missions on earth. This person is going to be a great evangelizer and is going to draw more and more crowds towards the kingdom of heaven. At this challenge, Lucifer laughed out loudly, and threw back another challenge at Gabriel. You say, this person is going to draw vast crowds towards the kingdom of heaven; You know what I will do? I will wait, till he goes to his village and starts telling everybody of his new found grace. And then, more and more people will be attracted towards him; and his teaching; he will make fellow believers and finally He will form a large group of people, who will gather every now and then for their fellowship gatherings, there will be praise and worship and singing of hymns in those gatherings .. Gabriel was indeed pleased when he heard all of this from Lucifer, He started imagining the great group which will focus on worshipping the Lord and telling others about their faith. It was then, that Lucifer continued his talk, And when the group is all set and ready and well functioning, I will put my seeds of jealousy, greed for power, hatred and misunderstandings in that group, and start of with simple diversity of ideas which will later form into major arguments and finally when the group is disrupted, I will bring all those large crowds of people towards me. Thus, with your single seed of grace, I will make vast number of followers for myself. Gabriel was angry and furious on hearing this and said sternly THIS WILL NEVER HAPPEN. And they parted their ways, each waiting eagerly to see what the outcome was going to be My dear friends, this was only a story, but does it in some ways reflect truth in our fellowship gatherings . It was a challenge between good and evil . We too, may be members of various prayer groups, cell groups ..and the like .. Diversity of ideas can come in our groups too .. When such situations arise, whom shall we allow to win the challenge .? The good or the evil? When we see certain things which affect the harmony of the groups taking place withen our groups, what are the steps that we can take to prevent the devil from having his victory ? love in christ, anita, kuwait Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com
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Yuppp!! this is what I beleive in too! Around two years back...when I had newly joined the prayer grp...I had similar experiences...Clash of views and opinions. At that time I was so tempted to leave the prayer grp...but my brother left me thinking with this simple reflection...what is your motive behind going for prayer meeting... are you going to experience the love of God and build a relationship with Himor are you going so that your opinions and views may be accepted! This kind of changed my whole outlook! And this has always acted as a check for mewhenever I'm not too pleased with with wots happening...I kinda ask myself Whom am I focusing on? on JESUS or on the material things! And then I ask the Spirit of The Living God to fall afresh on me and on the people around meso that I may understand the will of God! Luv n prayers, Jennifer D'souza Mumbai From: sheril daniel To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] Re: Date: Fri, 26 Jul 2002 07:10:31 -0700 (PDT) In response to Anita's mail, I think that was an interesting story and very relevant too. I remember when we used to have prayer groups during my undergrad years in SME (Kottayam) and sometimes when someone did not agree with someone else's point of view or behaviour, especially when it was from the so called leaders I was tempted to stop coming for all those prayer meetings. I don't remember who it was but someone told gave me a lovely piece of advice. Don't let the focus of your prayer group be on anyone else but the 'real leader' Jesus Christ. Diversity will always be present in any group of people because we are all individuals and we all have our own beautiful way of thinking and reasoning. However when we concentrate on ourselves and our thoughts, when pride takes over, or when we become so narrow minded that we think only we are right, our original focus shifts to a new one. the new focus could be anything related to the group, it could be another individual, it could be one's own glorification, anything, but that is immaterial. what is important is that we realise what the point of our group meeting was in the first place and readjust our vision and our energies to our original focus point. with love in Jesus sheril daniel :) grahamstown, south africa anitha dsouza wrote:My dear friends, Just want to share with you a story for reflection. It would be nice if we could read the story carefully , think, pray and reflect about it and share our inspirations with our beautiful group ..which I am sure will help many of the prayer groups all round. So please do share your thoughts after you have gone through this, Once, there were two angels, the good one named Gabriel and the one who had stood against God whose name was Lucifer; both of them went on to tour the whole world. As they came across a small village, both of them happened to glance at a poor villager, ploughing his fields, singing joyfully the spiritual hymns that he had often heard in the church. They both knew that, he was a simple and a humble man, who was pure in heart and did no harm to anybody. Gabriel was indeed pleased to see him, so joyfully absorbed in his work and decided to reward him more, so that he would be an effective instruement of Christ. As the farmer went on ploughing, Gabriel threw down a little grace of evangelization towards his path. The farmer suddenly caught hold of the grace, gave thanks to the Lord , left his plough in the fields and ran into the village, with His new found mission to evangelize. Gabriel, being very pleased with the farmers response, challenged Lucifer, See, how eager the Lords people are, to carry out their missions on earth. This person is going to be a great evangelizer and is going to draw more and more crowds towards the kingdom of heaven. At this challenge, Lucifer laughed out loudly, and threw back another challenge at Gabriel. You say, this person is going to draw vast crowds towards the kingdom of heaven; You know what I will do? I will wait, till he goes to his village and starts telling everybody of his new found grace. And then, more and more people will be attracted towards him; and his teaching; he will make fellow believers and finally He will form a large group of people, who will gather every now and then for their fellowship gatherings, there will be praise and worship and singing of hymns in those gatherings .. Gabriel was indeed pleased when he heard all of this from Lucifer, He started imagining the great group which will focus on worshipping the Lord and telling others about their faith. It was then, that Lucifer continued his talk, And when the group is all set and ready and well functioning, I will put my seeds of jealousy, greed for power, hatred and misunderstandings in that group, and start of with simple diversity of ideas which will later form into major arguments and finally when the group is disrupted, I will bring all those large crowds of people towards me. Thus
[JOYnet] Re: SUICIDE
Hi all, Just thought of joining this discussion on Suicide. I think it is good to discuss such topics in this group. Knowing the christian teachings on such topics will help us and we can help others too. Also, knowing the word of God is important. But we need to see that the Bible interpretations are done according to the church teachings. I think there are many people in our JOYnet who can guide us in this matter. Whenever the discussions go away from the church teachings, I hope these friends will interfere and correct the joynetters. Let's not be ashamed of the Word of God. In these discussions many different opinions will come. But let's discern the right things and accept it. Mathew Joseph Bangalore, India. - Original Message - From: divine_luv [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 5:15 PM Subject: RE: [JOYnet] SUICIDE Dear JYs I have been following some of the mails on Suicide and I wish to share my views as under: I remember the time when my aunt (mom's sister) had committed suicide when I was very small. I didnt know then what Suicide was. I remember when I asked around why a person commits suicide I was given to understand that 'suicide' was another form of 'being a coward', a person unable to stand up to the challenges of life. For me the word 'coward' was very strong. Because no one likes being called a 'coward' or a 'darpok'. It was only later as I grew up did I realise what actually facing life and it challenges meant. That how easy it was to think of suicide when things didnt go ur way as Welchy had mentioned in her mail. For me I guess Committing a sin is like betraying Jesus. And we do read in the gospels there were two Apostles who betrayed Jesus. Both were aware that what they did was wrong. One repented and the other committed Suicide. The one who repented became a great apostle and the other we know his fate when he committed suicide. There is still hope in repentance and I guess if we commit suicide we lose out on this this hope. Now I have read the other mails and I do agree that in light of some facts we should share it with our spiritual fathers. I also do agree that we should not misinterpret the Holy Scripture. However I totally disagree that this should prevent us from sharing any such topics out here. It may deter some. But on the flip side we can gain valuable knowledge and experience from those whose faith are strong in Christ and have gone through such experience as Father Thomas has mentioned. I remember my brother telling me how useful the discussion of taking prasad which was shared out here was. On quoting scriptures. I do personally disagree with the fact that we should not quote them at all. How would we know what we are quoting is in the wrong context if we dont quote them at all. And I do see that we have so many wonderful Word ministers here that should we falter they are there to correct us. Right Ravi :) in prayers, Jefferson Mumbai Bonny Thomas wrote: I'm giving my full support to Baiju on his note.now its time to close this chapter as this is getting out of focusmoreover i would repeat as Baiju advised that we should get advise before we come to conclusions on topics like this and putting it over joynet. regards, bonny This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: RB Update
Hi All in Jesus, I am forwarding what Silvy wrote to you all. Please continue the 5 minute chain. Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, Princeton, New Jersey, USA. Silvy George wrote: Dear All, It is not only Saji who has lost track of time...we are in the same boat. My internet connection was not functioning the last two days either. We were busy with the Rex Band for the past 2 weeks, and had been planning for them for the past couple of months. Needless to say, we (and many others) have been going to sleep in the wee hours of the morning this past month(1 or 2 AM being the earliest). But we have enjoyed every minute of it! What little time we spent with the Rex Band was well worth it. They are a joyful group of JY's who truly live out their faith. Let us continue to pray for them in the remainder of their trip and even after reaching back to India. They have touched many hearts through their witnessing. I will most certainly miss them dearly. RB is now in Chicago, their main program there being on Sat., the 13th. We too will be driving to Chicago on Friday(Saji family, Kurian Uncle and Tom Uncle will be with us). We should be back home by early Monday morning. The East Coast WYD group will be leaving for Toronto on Wednesday night. That's all for now. Please continue to keep RB, WYD, participants of WYD, all of us, and everyone's travels in your prayers. May God bless you. Love and prayers, Silvy This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] Thy will be done !!!!
Hi all, This is the latest news from Renjit. Kurian Uncle mathew renjit wrote: Hi JY's Weeks back I had kept a prayer request. I was undergoing a tough time with my job. Now let me share my happiness with you all. After all confusion and tesnsions, I was put into another project in the same company. Today was my last day in the previous project. Till 5PM there was no word from anyone. To my surprise I got interviewed and got confirmation at 6 PM. I thank our Lord for His kindness. I like to thank everyone who prayed for me, particularly our Kurian Uncle and family. It proves once again that if we have beliefe and we pray we will get it. With prayers and blessings Renjit Mathew This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: A request for prayer from Seena
Hi All, Seena seeks your prayer help. Kurian Uncle seena george wrote: Dear friends, I was inspired from the below letter to put in my little request also. please pray for me, last week i was bitten by some insect, and there was a swelling for about 3 days, and after that i began to have an allergic reaction, and am having rashes all over me, along with a severe itching problem. The doctor is unable to classify it into any group and has given me medicines to stop my itching. But that is of little help. Please pray that it be taken away from me, if it be the Lord's will, or that I may undrstand what He wants me to learn through this. IN CHRIST seena Hi JY First of all, let me give thanks to all who prayed for me and who send prayer support messages, each of them gave me lots of strength. As per God's plan ,they pulled me out of the project today, is my last day at this office. I am returning back to NJ as soon as possible. I am happy that bad days are over. I was wondering how I'll face this situation, this might reflect in my career. A thought came to my mind, which I would like to share with all. You might have seen a donkey which was tied at Jerusalem streets. It didn't know that Jesus was about to call him and it was on him Jesus did the princely entry to the city of Jerusalem. Aren't we like that donkey?!!..I am for sure Thank you Renjit Mathew This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] Thanks from Renjit mathew
Hi All, This is what Renjit wants to convey to all of you who prayed for him. Kurian Uncle mathew renjit wrote: Hi JY First of all, let me give thanks to all who prayed for me and who send prayer support messages, each of them gave me lots of strength. As per God's plan ,they pulled me out of the project today, is my last day at this office. I am returning back to NJ as soon as possible. I am happy that bad days are over. I was wondering how I'll face this situation, this might reflect in my career. A thought came to my mind, which I would like to share with all. You might have seen a donkey which was tied at Jerusalem streets. It didn't know that Jesus was about to call him and it was on him Jesus did the princely entry to the city of Jerusalem. Aren't we like that donkey?!!..I am for sure About the prayers... many of us might wonder,why should a person ask for prayer. I did this proudly becuase, many things happened in my life with prayers. Dont be shy to put your prayer requests. When you fail, that is were God will take over. I experienced that in these days. I belive He is having a plan for me. In my helplesness He works. Also keep me in your prayers that I will get a assignment as soon as possible. Thank you Renjit Mathew This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: [JYA] See the greatness of GOD!!!!
Dear All, See what Renjit wants to to tell you now! Kurian Uncle mathew renjit wrote: Hi All Hope you might have read my previous mail ,which I send 1 Hr back. See now how GOD started working, He proved once again that He will not let anyone down who believes in HIM . I just can't belive what is happening. My manager came to me and told that he is giving me a chance to prove. He extended my contract 1 more week. I cannot explain how happy Iam now. I called my family in India and told that I am out of job 1 hour back. I am going to inform them this happy news Praise to the Lord Thanks to you all Renjit Mathew This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Re: [JYA] Thanks from Renjit mathew
Dear Joynetters, Please pray for me. I have been bitten by a bug, and i have developed an allergy, with rashes all over me,along with severe itching. Please pray that it may subside, and that I may learn the Lord's will in my life. In Christ seena Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. Click Here This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: SIMBA-OUR NEW CANINE BROTHER!
COPY CAT- COPY CAT- Josun Jose is a COPY CAT He took my dog's name And named it the same Josun Jose is a COPY CAT ! Next time any Joynetter tries naming their dog Simba, they've got to take permission from me, or else I'll sue for COPYRIGHT VIOLATION. And u might find urself in the Supreme Court. JJ, this time u r forgiven, OK! But count this as notice against future misbehaviour.grrr Tons of love to Simba -II and the 5 angels Bets, Ancy, Augustine, John Bosco and George and the 1 rascal Josun Jose, Adv. Lina, Bangalore/ndia. _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Receiving the Holy Eucharist.
This is in response to Ms. Mercy Joseph's doubt posted earlier in JOYnet a couple of days back on who is fit to receive Holy Communion. As far as I have learnt, the Catholic church teaches that any Catholic who believes in the true presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist is fit to receive Holy Communion provided that he or she is not guilty of any grave sin at that moment. If he or she is guilty of smaller sins he or she is fit ro receive the body of Christ on the condition that he / she makes up his / her mind to make a good confession at the next possible instance. The same applies to non catholic Christians as well, but with the condition that they too believe in the real presence of Christ in the Holy Eucharist. Regards in Christ, Samji / Dubai From: Mercy Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Mercy Joseph [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 13 May 2002 06:51:06 - The New RSV - 1 corinthians 11: 27-30 says Whoever, therefore, eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be answerable for the body and blood of the Lord. Examine yourselves, and only then eat of the bread and drink of the cup. For all who eat and drink without discerning the body, eat and drink judgment against themselves. For this reason many of you are weak and ill and some have died. On the basis of these verses, somebody told me that it's better not to receive body and blood of Jesus if he/she has committed sin. It is good to receive the communion only after purifying oneself. So does this mean that if on a particular day a person commits sin then it is better for that person not to receive the communion? I am confused. Could somebody enlighten me regarding the above scriptual verses? Mercy -[Baroda] Gujarat. _ Click below to visit monsterindia.com and review jobs in India or Abroad http://monsterindia.rediff.com/jobs This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] _ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] RE: Pray for Priests
Dear loving friends, Good 'reminder' in the right time. Thanks Eddy chettan. Praise the Lord!!! Like others I had also beautiful dreams about priesthood. It was my hobby to cut the Papaya (KAPPALANGA-- IN OUR PLACE) in round shape and give to everybody at home as communion. Imitating the style of priestsway of celebrating mass, special songs, preaching etc.. Me and brother always had these kinds of practices and enjoyed it. Some times in front of my wife I am doing these kinds of things. For the intercessory prayer it is better to categorize different areas of priesthood. For example we have to pray for a)holiness b)those who are struggling in their call c)pray for formation centers (Seminaries), formation methods d)pray for the priests who are much involved in social activities e)pray for missionaries, preachers, teachers, writers f)Pray for the priests conflicts between each other, from superiors etc g)pray for the inner healing among priests, priests parishioners h)pray for the priests they are giving more importance to counseling, different kinds of psychological methods other than Holy Mass word of God i) Divisions among different rites j) Pray for the Holy Spirit We can add this list. Eddy chettan can give a final list. We have to pray for the priests we know personally. It is better to keep a personal book for intercessory prayer. We can note down the names, prayer requests.(not only for this special purpose) The advantage is we will not forget any intensions. In our personal prayer we can go through this book. Otherwise we can not remember more than 20-30 intensions. I am telling this from my personal experience. The other side of the book we can use for thanksgiving. This book will be a valuable asset in our spiritual life. Prayers love Jose Kuriakose -- Bahrain This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [JOYnet] Re: the hail mary of a protestant
dear friends in christ, i find it surprisinf that anyone should feel offended by the story the hail mary of a protestant ,it only reinststates the truth,the catholic church alone is the ark of salvation founded by JESUS CHRIST,the catholic church is the only way to salvation,all those separate from her are heretics and schismatics,this was solemnly proclaimed by the church time and again most recently in the vatican document DOMINUS IESUS by cardinal ratzinger,the document even says that protestants,or orthodox or marthomites or whatever else theyre called cant be churches in the true sense of the term,all those who leave the church imperil their own salvation,these days we seem to have a false ecumenism which shamelessly embraces the dissident churches , the true purpose of ecumenism is to lead them to the one true church i,e the catholic church and also regarding marys role in our salvation st.montfort the greatest exponent of marian devotion says that without believing in the marian dogmas one cannot be saved i suppose you know that the marian truths are solemnly defined as dogmas by the church the church teaches that it is essential to believe in dogmas to be saved and the marian dogmas are as follows 1.mary mother of god 2.mary perrrpetual virgin 3.immaculate conception 4.assumption millions of people are petitioning the holy father to proclaim the fifth marian dogma i,e mary,s role as our co-redemptrice famous petionaries included mother teresa, cardinal o connor of new york,and our own cardinal padiyara for more info go to www.voxpouli.org IN CHRIST r.sandeep joseph chennai From: sheril daniel [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] Re: the hail mary of a protestant Date: Thu, 16 May 2002 08:27:43 -0700 (PDT) dear friends, i am very hurt by this story. i have read it on joynet before. for obvious reasons i find this story very prejudiced. this person is portrayed as a hero, well and good. and yes, it is a story promoting intercession thru mother mary. well and good. but what gives this man the right to condemn the faith of the protestant church? is he a priest? then he should know that salvation is through our lord Jesus Christ. i am a marthomite. hence i suppose i would be classified under the protestant group of churches. one separated from the true church of christ founded on the rock (Peter) and against whom the gates of hell shall never prevail as quoted in the story. I AM SORRY, BUT I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THAT! as marthomites we believe in salvation through Jesus Christ. He died for each one of us on the cross. He shed His blood for my sins. He was whipped for my sicknesses. He suffered so that i would be saved. if this is the basis of a church (besides catholic church) i don't see why that church would be separate! d from christ. i don't believe that as a marthomite, i am in any way less entitled ot the kindom of God than a catholic based on whether i pray to mary or not. there are differences in some beliefs, yes. like in our church we do not intercede thru mother mary. but we do revere her as a holy mother. we do not think of her as an ordinary woman. no. but where in the bible does it say that if u don't pray to mther mary you will not go to heaven? see, i'm not saying one church is right or another is wrong. it is not up to me to condemn any religion either. Jesus said that true religion is looking after widows and orphans. the religious culture, the laws of the church, the ceremonies, the way in which ppl pray, these are not the most important things. what is most important is whetehr you have accepted Jesus as your personal saviour or not. everything else is there to lead u to him not to condemn other churches. even praying to mother mary. is she there to take the importance or is she there to guide children to Jesus? i like to think it is the latter. maybe it is difficult for some catholics to accept the fact that as christians, God is! not looking at what church one comes from, what background one has, or what way one prays. He is looking at the heart. do you have Jesus in there or not. i am not saying that protestants are not always biased against catholics. we are the generation that has to change all of this bitching and bickering between both churches. as christians we are one. if that is not the attitude that u have, then that must change first. i am not a catholic but the reason why i am in joynet is not because i want to be a catholic. but it is because i am a young christian who wants fellowship with other such christians. in Jesus sheril daniel grahamstown, south africa The Hail Mary of a Protestant (A true story) A little six-year-old Protestant boy had often heard his Catholic companions
[JOYnet] Re: Life is Beautiful !!!
Dear Suresh and all, Nice to come back into the JoyNet. A small job to keep and lot of work keeps small fry like me busy all the day long. I do share and appreciate what my dear friend Suresh has to tell us about Life. It is beautiful. I happened to have a friendly chat with one of my family friends the other day... I asked him, hows life... He said...ya..good...kind of..pulling along sort of...moving forward I said..what do you mean..???!! He then says Nothing much..First 20 days of the month we go in full swing (he is speaking in monetary terms). Then the next 10 days we go in neutral gear. That kept me thinking. This guy, supposed to be a techinical person working in India's leading and premier research organisation, drawing a five figure salary, good home, good wife, good kid.. Why does he have to tell like that.. Life is moving forward...pulling along ;-) Each person sees the life in his own perspective. Every guy has his own problems. Every guy however high he is in position, authority or responsibility has.. his own problems. Learning to cope with that is what is important. I am doing that now. It was not before... We can end up saying Life is Beautiful. But it will not be always. And we have to make it onemake it one.. Sorry for boring you with this Will mail later. As I said before..nice to be back.. Lots of love, wishes and prayers.. This is Jobin signing off from the world's hottest city of the season-Chennai. Temperature touches as high as 46 deg.~!!! Love Thomsson A.Jobin Chennai mail me also at [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Date: Mon, 13 May 2002 02:31:16 +0600 From: Suresh Kumar T. Jose [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [JOYnet] Life is beautiful !!! Hi friends, Life is beautiful !!! Why life is beautiful There are many things coming into mind.. let me start with few experiences... Everywhere it is War Terrorism and war against Terrorism CNN, BBC, Sky news, Foxnews or any Tv channels you get this peice of news... India you get Gujrat, Middle east you get Palestine issues, Nepal you get Maoists, Sri Lanka you get Tamil issues, Taliban, IRA, Al Fatah, Jihad, Hamas, Japaneese Red Armay, ETA, PKK, list is going on... If you take religions there also problems, In kerala itself we have time long issues on various things like liturgy, etc, politics is hopeless anywhere... Globalism, International trade, World bank,etc. Attack on a building in New York is affecting a family in the remote village of Assam or Bihar but same time a million dollar profit for the neighbor might not give that family any benefit.. Everywhere you can see unrest among the people. Still life is beautiful Like to share few things coming into Mind. We Joynet members are scattered all around the world. unless like other JY communities we are not from a particular place, job or situation... many of us are alone in their country or City (I mean no other Jy's around). this part of sharing specially for them... for my friends who are away from their home, far away from their parents and loving ones. No Man can Live as an Island Journeying through the life alone Last few days I was feeling so lonely... Where else can we share all this feelings... Being in this community for more than 3 years I feel this is the place we can get the real love, help, spiritual support etc. My job is like operating from my house itself and not much works always so in literal meaning here I am alone. That's is the reason these days thinking the worthiness of being with friends, Being in a Community, Being with family etc. God created this world in a beautiful harmony...Where we all can live as a community...where nobody is alone...Family ties are most important in our life. My father, Mother, their sufferings for me, How they managed to support all our way, They gave everything for us, My sister, brother, their love for me, How much they care for me... (My wife, kids don't know how to explain this part... Some married guys can explain)... Yes experincing all this... Life is beautiful... Something very beautiful right Friends - My memories going back to college days, The friendships we will remember till the end of our life My college days I got my best friends... still we are best friends and when ever in kerala I spend my time with them. Those days we worked for Jesus youth with whole heart. We have a three men Army there me, James Binu (we are best freinds for last 12 years) Last month I went to home for just two days out of that one day I spend time with these JY friends... yes life is beautiful... Today I am stopping here with a small prayer. LORD JESUS I THANK YOU FOR MY PARENTS, BROTHERS SISTERS, THANK YOU FOR THE LOVING FRIENDS AND COMMUNITIES AROUND ME. WHEN I AM ALONE BE WITH ME AS MY FATHER, MOTHER, SISTER (HUSBAND,WIFE)
[JOYnet] Re: hi from cyprian!
Dear Cyprian, I was actually forwarding a mail by Josun Jose/New Delhi. He is the one that deserves the credit. There are a whole bunch of youth like him in the Jesus Youth network. I am an adult animator in the United States for the Jesus Youth of America. I would recommend the Jesus youth network to you. The welcoming team will give you all the info about the network and Jesus Youth movement. Yours in Jesus, Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, Princeton, New Jersey, USA. chukwunedum okeke wrote: Dear Kurian, It's nice to know someone like u exists. Could I get to know more about you as regards whom u are. For starters, I am 25 yrs,a graduate of Mech/Prodn. Engrg, a male, single for now. I am a Nigerian who has the fear of God who loves Him above all things. I desire the fellowship of Christians who believe in the undeniable Lordship of Jesus Christ, His victory over sin the newness of life in Him only. I really would love to establish a relationship founded in Him cos it's by His Mercies Grace, we owe our existence to Him. Take care of yourself. In Him Cyprian Okeke(Kano, Nigeria) NB: My birthday is on the 9th of March . --- Kurian Nellikunnel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A couple of months back I reckon, I had received a mail in Joynet, from Priya Joy, cochin.this was regarding preaching the Word of God to all creatures. Josun Jose/New Delhi This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: +AFsAWw-JOYnet+AF0- HIiiiii
Hi Braduke(and all others), I liked your answer to Suresh's doubt. What you said is right... Our faith which we have experienced in our life cannot be shaken by mere logic or human made proofs. Braduke, why don't you write more about you?? We will be happy to know more about you. It is nice to have you in our JOYnet. Let's not feel bad when somebody come up with strange doubts. Having doubt is the proof that one is searching the truthand searching God. Having doubt is the beginning of learning. Sharing doubts in such a forum like JOYnet shows that he has the guts to go for the truth+ACEAIQAhACE- I like such people, for they are the prophets of tomorrow+ACEAIQAh- Suresh, I remember reading a book some years back which gave lot of historical and scientific proofs that Jesus lived on Earth. It gave interesting perspective from Jews' , Islam and etheists' points of view on this topic and its counter arguments with proof establishing Jesus was really a historical person. For me, it is difficult to explain all these points through a mail. (May be we can talk it out when we meet next time) Mathew Joseph, Bangalore, India. - Original Message - From: +ACI-Braduke R.R+ACI- +ADw-braduke+AEA-usa.net+AD4- To: +ACI-Suresh Kumar T. Jose+ACI- +ADw-suresh+AEA-dynaweb.lk+AD4AOw- +ADw-JOYnet+AEA-jesusyouth.org+AD4- Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2002 4:02 AM Subject: Re: +AFsAWw-JOYnet+AF0- HIi+AF0- +AD4- Hello Suresh, +AD4- Let me try to clarify your doubt with a simple example. Suppose you fell down +AD4- from a height of let us say 3m. Your leg bone broke. That+IBk-s truth, that you +AD4- know. But somebody is coming with a proof. And telling that your bone didn +IBk-t +AD4- break. The proof can be like this, +AD4- Height +AD0- 3m +AD4- Weight of your body +AD0- 50kg +AD4- Acceleration due to gravity +AD0- 9.81m/(s+ACo-s) +AD4- Change in energy +AD0- 1.5KJ +AD4- Max allowable energy that can withstand by bone +AD0- 10KJ +AD4- So he gave a final conclusion as, the bone didn+IBk-t get enough energy to +AD4- break, and it didn+IBk-t break. +AD4- But Suresh, by seeing this proof, can you believe that your bone didn+IBk-t +AD4- break? You can+IBk-t, right? Hope you got the answer. Suresh, even if somebody +AD4- is coming with lot of arguments and proofs telling that nobody called Jesus +AD4- lived, no one can believe that. You have one mother, like the same way Jesus +AD4- is true. And one more thing I would like to make you attention. I am very sad +AD4- to see your mail. Because even a person is very worse in believing God, he +AD4- will never ask a question like this. Doubts are good, but creating doubt for +AD4- the truth and finding proof for them have no sense. +AD4- God bless you, +AD4- Braduke.R.R. +AD4- This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re not receiving mails from you.
Hi family, I have stopped receiving mails from you and i wonder whats wrong, please answer and see into this problem. As i have not even unsubcribed as yet or is it a problem from your end. Loving sister in Christ, Love Lyann. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: Re:Re:(JOYNET)WOMAN'S DAY
Hi my loving bretheren and sisteren in Jesus, Wish you all a happy and wonderful barbers day... May this year prove to be an year of soaring profits and ground-breaking hairstyles... Oh goodness me!what have I done... I'm sorry!!!,... today is womans dayI forgot... not barbers.the reasons being, I got my hair cut the other day on a discount coupon.. I look like a chicken dipped in water! (more about that later) my mom and my two sisters also forgot. So no problems!! I'll give the conclusion to Gregs joke.whoever that blessed soul was, who coined that PJ must have had the harrowing experience of getting an horrible kick on his buttocks, from a woman!!!:) (greg, I honestly didn't mean u ok. I know u haven't!) Sometimes When my mom feels that me (or my bros) taking undue advantage of my two sisters.she admonishes her daughters .look here my girls, don't take everything lying down like that.u've got stand up and let them (4 bull dogs!!) know that u can't be tossed around like this, after all how far can men go without us?... A maximum of 1 generation:) True isn't it? I subscribe to a humourous ezine and here's what they send me today. I hope it brings a chuckle.. Woman's Quote of the Day: Men are like fine wine. They all start out like grapes, and it's our job to stomp on them and keep them in the dark until they mature into something with which you'd like to have dinner with Men's Counter-Quote of the Day: Women are like fine wine. They all start out fresh, fruity and intoxicating to the mind and then turn full-bodied with age until they go all sour and vinegary and give you a headache. Yeah, woman is the most beautiful creation of God, infact I feel God spent overtime creating woman. Aye ladies don't u agree with me Wish all u women of God, a happy womans day. U are all simply beautiful. Love always in Jesus, Mama Mary St. Joseph Josun/New Delhi - Original Message - From: greg dsilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, March 08, 2002 1:54 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Re:Re:(JOYNET)WOMAN'S DAY Dear Jason, Thanks for your message,its interesting.With this I am sharing two thoughts that have come to my mind. 1)When is MAN'S day celebrated? We also should give women a chance to wish us for the difference we have made in their lives. 2)IT IS SAID(I do not know for sure)but it is said,that when God created man He rested for a while.After that He created woman and since then till today neither has God rested nor is man resting. THANKS TO THE WOMAN'S ERA THAT has KEPT AND IS STILL KEEPING GOD AND MAN CONSTANTLY BUSY. BYE, WITH LOVE, GREG This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] re; Suresh kumar's doubt on ldering, pastoring and counseling
u my awesome friends, it is nice to be back. well life is going on well here in chicago and i am getting rid off aussi home sick. dr. sindu and sunil r taking care of me very well, recently i had the privillage of meeting some of the real faces from the cyber world of joy net. they r from the eastern side of usa. any way it was big fun... well coming back to suresh's question of eldering, pastering and counselling, eldering: in catholic charismatic environment and in jesus youth terms an elder is a spiritually mature person who takes the responsibility for your spiritual growth with you. it can be attained by spending quality time with the elder in prayer and sharing.though it is not a must that the elder should be older to you in age , itis better if the elders are little older to u in age. also same sex policy is encouraged to make it more functional and practical. but i hav also seen opposite sex elders doing wonderful works.the duty of the elder is to make sure that u r moving in the right direction in your spiritual journey and also to warn u the pitt falls and the unseen dangers in the spiritual rehelm.but here one should not make a commmon mistake that elders r there to fix your problems and to make decisions for you. i think one should be responsible for ones action and accountable for it. it is always advised that before u choose an elder ask the opinion of your prayer group leader or some one senior in your groups.so that u may be able to make a right selection.since the spiritual growth is an on going process it is better not to change your elder frequently unless situation demands it very badly. pastering: in catholic environment pastering is given by a catholic priest. here u choose a catholic priest to guide u and help u in your spiritual journey.normally this priest can be your confessoer too. as i mentioned earlier ask and seek the help of your prayer group leader or some one senior befeore selecting your paster. it is always advisable to go for a priest who is familiar with charismatic movement as he will be able to understand the situations better.(again it is not absolute and compulsary) some people take their pastors as their elders and counselors. there is nothing wrong in doing that if u r convinced that the priest is capable of doing all the jobs. Counselling: (i think what suresh here means is spiritual counselling as there r variety of counselling) in charimatic terms counselling means seeking the help of a person who is gifted with gifts and the charisams of the holy spirit. people may go for this counselling in order to seek the will of God over certain problems or situations. people may also seek counselling when they r in crisis or want to experience and feel the guidence of the Lord in a special way. one should not make the mistake here that a charimatic counsellor is a fortune teller telling u what is going to happen in the future.the gift of counselling should be used for building the kingdom of God in individuals and in communities.one shold be care ful in selecting the counsellor. also he/she is not there to make decisions on behalf of u. many people take their elders as their counsellor due to practical reasons. well all what i said is from my last 10 yeras of experience in charismatic and jesus youth movement. i do not claim that what i hav written is absolute and perfect. u r all encouraged to add more to it if u hav some thing more to say. also u hav the right to disagree with any thing i hav mentioned. lov u all heaps smile jesus loves u jos mathew chicago This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: IDOL WORSHIP
Hi again netters, Joining in on the discussion on 'odol worship'. Sharing a few lines from authorised catholic sites, and also a few of what the Lord taught. It is rather lengthy. Praise the Lord. Do Catholics Worship Statues? Catholics worship statues! Despite how ridiculous the claim is, people still make this accusation. They say that because Catholics have statues in their churches and pray in front of them, they are violating God's commandment: You shall not make for yourself a graven image or any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in earth beneath, or that is in water under the earth: you shall not bow down to them or serve them (Ex. 20:4-5); Alas, this people have sinned a great sin; they have made for themselves gods of gold (Ex. 32:31). This tract will examine the standard Fundamentalist arguments against the ancient Christian practice of using images, and it will as provide a brief biblical response to these arguments, showing the Scriptural evidence for this practice. First, let's point out that it's right to warn people against the sin of idolatry. But the accusation that Catholics are idolaters because they have images of Christ and the saints is completely incorrect, being based on a misunderstanding or ignorance of what the Bible says about the purpose and use (both good and bad) of statues. Anti-Catholic writer Loraine Boettner, in his book Roman Catholicism, claims that it is a sin to have statues because God has forbidden the use of images in worship (p. 281). Many Protestants embrace this claim, yet if they were to search the scriptures (cf. John 5:39), they would find that exactly the opposite is true. Not only did God never condemn the use of statues in worship (though to be sure he did condemn the worship of statues), he actually commanded their use! GOD SAID TO MAKE THEM While Protestants and others quote Exodus 20:4-5 to bolster their charge of Catholic statue worship, they forget about the numerous other passages where the Lord commands the carving of statues: And you shall make two cherubim of gold [i.e., two carved statues of angels]; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end; of one piece of the mercy seat shall you make the cherubim on its two ends. The cherubim shall spread out their wings above, overshadowing the mercy seat with their wings, their faces one to another; toward the mercy seat shall the faces of the cherubim be (Ex. 25:18-20). David gave Solomon the plan for the altar of incense made of refined gold, and its weight; also his plan for the golden chariot of the cherubim that spread their wings and covered the ark of the covenant of the Lord. All this he made clear by the writing of the hand of the Lord concerning it all, all the work to be done according to the plan (1 Chr. 28:18-19). Note that all this was directed according to divinely inspired writing. Ezekiel 41:15 describes graven images in the Temple: on the walls round about in the inner room and [on] the nave were carved likenesses of cherubim. THE RELIGIOUS USE OF IMAGES During a plague of serpents he sent to punish the wicked Israelites, God told Moses to make [a statue of] a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it shall live. So Moses made a bronze serpent, and set it on a pole; and if a serpent bit any man, he would look at the bronze serpent and live (Num. 21:8-9). The fact that one had to look at the bronze statue of the serpent in order to be healed shows that statues could be used ritually, not merely as religious decorations. Catholics use statues, paintings, and other artistic devices to recall the person or thing depicted. Just as it is helps to remember one's mother by looking at her photograph, so it helps to recall the example of the saints by looking at pictures of them. Catholics also use statues as teaching tools. In the early Church they were especially useful for the instruction of the illiterate. Many Protestants themselves have pictures of Jesus and other Bible pictures in Sunday school for purposes of teaching children, especially those who haven't learned to read. Catholics also use statues to commemorate certain people and events, much like Protestant churches that have three-dimensional nativity scenes at Christmas. If one measured Protestants by the same rule, then by using these graven images, they would be practicing the idolatry which they accuse Catholics of practicing. But the fact is, there's no idolatry going on in these situations. God forbids the worship of images, but he doesn't ban the making of images in general. If he had, movies, videos, photographs, manger scenes, paintings, drawings, and all sorts of things would be banned, since they too are images. WHAT ABOUT BOWING? Sometimes anti-Catholics cite Deuteronomy 5:9, where God said concerning
[JOYnet] Re: Book Help
Hi all, I think if somebody can compile the list of spiritual books, then it will be helpful. Also, categorising it into (1) beginners (2) growth (3) theological (4) Bible study etc..etc(for example) will also be helpful. If possible, a brief description about what you can expect from a particular book also can be given. Is it possible to have this book list on our web site? (as a suggested list of books for reading) Is any of these books available on the internet?? Mathew Joseph Bangalore, India. - Original Message - From: JASON :) [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, February 05, 2002 7:48 PM Subject: [JOYnet] Book Help Wowie.. C.C.J. Sir u really got us contributing so many Book Titles out here. But I am sorry I lost track of all the Book Titles shared out here. (I deleted some by mistake L ) In case anyone has summarised all the Titles of the Books can u please mail them all to me. B JASONV This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: CURE OF THE DEMONIAC
Hi All, This is the Homily for the Holy Mass on Feb. 2, 2002, by Fr. Van A. Hager, I.M.C. at the Consolata Chapel in Somerset, New Jersey, USA. I am sending this to the JOY net, since it has some information all the Joynet people could use. Yours in Jesus Mary and Joseph, Kurian Nellikunnel, Princeton, New Jersey, USA. CURE OF THE DEMONIAC Today we have two quite dramatic descriptions of encounters with evil: in the first reading we hear about David and his rebellious son, Absalom. In the Gospel, we see Jesus curing the demoniac. I'm not sure how much experience each one of us has had with contact with EVIL SPIRITS. Most of us go about our normal daily lives seemingly not directly affected by the evil around us, yet it's hard to deny the existence of evil in the world. President Bush is constantly referring to The Evil Ones or Those who intend us evil or Do evil to us. And so, now we have this mania about security in the airports and all government bldgs, especially, the post office bldgs. I don't know about my brother priests, but I don't remember any special preparation in dealing with evil spirits during my seminary formation. There was no special emphasis on exorcism or the Sacrament of the anointing of the sick. Actually, it seemed quite obvious to me that some of my professors did not really believe in evil as such let alone the possibility of praying against it with any practical effect. The science of psychology and psychiatry was becoming very popular at that time - and still is - and the effects of evil were explained away most of the time by deviant behaviour patterns or bad upbringing. I remember a couple of cases in my most recent missionary experience in Colombia, So. America, where people had died supposedly of a Spirit of Death. I knew one lady that died personally and had even accepted the invitation to travel 10 hrs by horse to celebrate the First Communion of her two children in a remote part of the jungle in Southern Colombia, just outside of the demilitarized zone that we have been hearing so much about lately. Her family initially brought her to the parish priest in one of the larger urban centers, but he apparently did not know how to pray against evil spirits - so the sisters told me - so the poor lady was taken to a local non-Catholic healer and died the following week under his care. Unfortunately, there IS much evil in the world today, but there are very few priests who are prepared to deal with it. What is most unfortunate is that as a result of this ignorance among religious and clergy, parents are not receiving proper education to pass on to their children - when is the last time you heard a sermon on the existence of evil or the Devil, in church? Young people are wont to try new and different things out of curiosity - like the wee-gee board, Dungeons and Dragons and other apparently innocuous games. The danger is that when parents allow their children to indulge in these truly dangerous persuits, they are letting them be open to all sorts of evil that enters into a person when our defenses our down: that's what these seemingly harmless games foster: they help us to lower our defenses against evil. I'm sure we have all heard - at least a little bit - about NEW AGE phenomena: among which is the belief in the power of crystals, pyramids and horoscopes. Most of us laugh at the suggestion that there could be anything evil in reading my daily horoscope, but this is one way - by indulging in these seemingly harmless pastimes, that we begin - little by little - to drop our defenses and become more vulnerable to the attacks of Satan in our lives. Let us give thanks to God in this Holy Eucharist for sending us Jesus His Son to free us from all types of evil and pray that we may be properly informed as to the existence of evil in our world today - especially, as to how it affects the young people in our families. Fr. Van A. Hager, I.M.C. ps: I thank Father for letting me publish his homily. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: INCREASE AND MULTIPLY
Hello friends, This discussion looks interesting. Isn't it nice to see that we have some expert economists among us :-) Just writing my thoughts May be wrong... (very poor in economics) When we say We need an explosion of productive people... Isn't it a relative term?? How do we decide who is productive and who is not In terms of salary and money?? Is money only the measuring scale for productivity?? Or is it supply and demand theory?? What about an evangelist who doesn't contribute a single rupee to the economy Is he productive or not?? Does he has the right to multiply?? Can we say that poor people are not productive?? May be the lady who cleans my house is more productive than me She may be earning very less compared to me But I am sure, I cannot do all the work she is doing!!! And she works from morning till late in the evening, where as my productive time is much less (including my time spent in JOYnet :-))) Now, may be the rich and powerful people have to take the blame for not paying these workers well... In my village, it is very difficult to get a worker to work in the agriculture land. Is it a result of poor people NOT multiplying?? I understand it is the same case in many places in Kerala!!! Again, it is how we look at work and productivity. A person who is cleaning the street or toilet is equally important like a person who is the CEO of a company. May be the society can manage without a CEO... But not without the person who cleans your toilet or your house! But at times, we take these people for granted!!!So, how do we decide who to multiply?? and who to stop multiplying?? There is one old story about Bombay slum dwellers Some years back, one political party came up with the proposal to demolish all the illegal slums in Bombay(most of them are illegal). But this proposal was scrapped The main opposition came from industrialists and rich people. Because, they are the people who are benefitting the most from these people who work for a cheap pay in their factories and houses!!! Again, do we need to say that all these rich people who are corrupted to multiply the result will be a corrupt society... Just imagine, people like Jayalalitha and Laloo and Harshad mehta multiplying in hundreds and thousands!!! They will consume the resources of millions, where as some poor people multiplying may be less harmful to the society at large May be the solution is, we need people like Mother Teresa and Gandhiji to multiply. Another option is to change people like Jayalalitha to become another Gandhi That is exactly what we Jesus Youths need to do Renewal of all the corrupt people and multiply them to saints of the new millennium. Does it sound sensible and relevent?? and practical??Can we widen our vision to include the population of the whole world?? At the least in our prayers?? Mathew Joseph Bangalore, India. - Original Message - From: Berly Earnest [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Joynet [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: [JOYnet] INCREASE AND MULTIPLY Dear friends, I would like to correct what I said.The poor-middle-upper class distinction was not mentioned by Mr.Sunny.It was what I felt.He only said youth without specifying any class. I agree with Mr.Manoj Jones.We need an explosion of productive people. I agree with Jose Mathew too_population explosion is not the cause of poverty; it is the uneven distribution of resources. Annie Berly/Cochin/India. This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[JOYnet] Re: WONDERFUL FAMILY
Wow... Welchy George was right Josun ur mail was touching abt ur father's birthday. Wot really touched me most was the way you'll guys gathered round ur parents as a family and prayed together. For me that is one of the main strenghts of any family remaining as ONE forever. It reminded me so much of the times I spent with my Dad. I am sorry if this mail is long.. The story of my Dad is totally different. My Dad was never spiritual before. Now I am no one to judge my Dad. No one has the right to. But still to show the presence of the lord in my our life it is worth mentioning. I still remember that day when I passed my 10th standard exams. In the evening when my Dad came home. He poured himself a glass of Cariba Rum with coke and made one for me. Today u are big boy he said. I still remember the look on my Mom's face. I didnt know wot was wrong then. Thanx to Mom as time went by and the introduction she gave me to Charasmatic Prayers I gave up drinking. Cause of Mom my Dad had reduced drinking. However what he gave up in drinking he made up in smoking. After all the Day retreats and pray session. Nothing improved. I remember Mom and me telling him to give up for the sake of the lord... still no avail. And then finally In June 98 dad was diagonised with cancer. He was to pass off within one week. I still remember the tears of Mom on my shoulders. For me I guess that was really the first time I actually surrendered to the lord. What happened then we didnt know. Just as though there was someone holding a light for us in the darkness we were going through. On that hospital bed my Dad decided to change. He used to laugh at charismatic prayers but now he was willing to pray. He made a good confession. With God's love we had priests visiting our Dad atleast twice a day to talk to him. And the grace of God did fall. How that one week passed we didnt know... Dad was still alive. It was God's love that made my Dad make two christmas retreats in Divine and 3 at Tabor. Dad was changed. It was as though the circle was complete. We five (parents and we 3 bros.) could finally have praise and worship in our house as a family as Josun mentioned. Then came Y2K. In April Cancer resurfaced. Doctors gave up hope and said. Anytime he will pass away. Again we had to prepare to deal with the death of my father. I remember those last days when we used to pray around him all placing our hands on him. It was special. We knew that it wouldnt be long. But in our hearts we were happy about one thing. The Father we longed for ... is here. A prayful daddy. No more Drinks, no more Smoking. We felt so happy that our Eternal Father chose this moment to take our father away at this moment , not two years before on that Hospital Bed when dad wasnt even ready to acknowledge God. Soon Dad started sinking. May 15, my Parents 23rd wedding anniversary. Dad was in Bed...He couldnt get up. All our relatives came. They knew that this may be last anniversary of our parents. Soon for dad it started happening. We knew the time was near. As the relatives went in another room and started discussing abt. arranging the priest and all. My mom quietly gathered all 3 brothers near his bed. There we laid our hands for the last time on Dad and we prayed. We prayed that the Lord take away our Dad. Away with him. We couldnt see him suffereing and today we are setting him free with love to our eternal father. We prayed and thanked lord for those years he gave us with our Father and we have no regrets that he is calling back his child whom he sent 58 years ago. May 16, 2000 Dad expired at 3.00 in the morning in the hospital just the time mom had begun her Divine Mercy prayers for him. Lastly I remember the time we went for the month's mind of our Dad. We were still feeling his loss. We went to his grave. We went just as a formality... relatives sake. We knew wot was there was only his mortal remains. Dad was actually up there somewhere. So only Mom and we 3 brothers gathered round his grave. All of a sudden I remembered a funee incident that me and my Dad shared and I burst out laughing. I shared it with my mom and bros. They too started laughing. In the remaining 1/2 hr. we spent there around his grave we were just sharing all those good funee times dad shared with us and laughing and laughinhehe... imagine the faces of those who must have seen us like that... And at the end of it all. we thanked God for giving us those wonderful memories to cherish. My Dad had expired in May 2000 at the age of 58. 56 years as an Old man in the darkness of Satan But 2 years as a Toddler in Christ. urs in faith Jason This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue
[JOYnet] Re: Slow Dance
Dear Joynetters, I was indeed taken aback by the note of hoax by one of my joynet brothers. The poem slow dance was forwarded in all good will. My colleagues practicing in U.S, stand by what they sent me. Its true, that the 3 cent count may not be possible, without the original web page, since the matter was saved forwarded in Microsoft word. None-theless there has been a deluge of more than 3 cent worth of goodwill , kindness and prayer from each one of you, for the suffering child many like her. PRAISE THE LORD FOR HIS LOVE ,COMPASSION CONCERN THAT FLOWS THRU ORDINARY MEN WOMEN, LIKE U ME ! SANEL From: Ravi Vaz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: sanel varghese [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Slow Dance Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 08:36:15 -0800 (PST) Hi Joynetters, I recieved this mail at least a year ago... very touching... but dont believe the lower part about the 3 cents per name... that is a hoax... Love and Prayers Ravi sanel varghese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SLOW DANCE This poem was written by a terminally ill young girl in a New York Hospital. It was sent by a medical doctor - Make sure to read what is in the closing statement AFTER THE POEM. SLOW DANCE Have you ever watched kids On a merry-go-round? Or listened to the rain Slapping on the ground? Ever followed a butterfly's erratic flight? Or gazed at the sun into the fading night? You better slow down. Don't dance so fast. Time is short. The music won't last. Do you run through each day On the fly? When you ask How are you? Do you hear the reply? When the day is done Do you lie in your bed With the next hundred chores Running through your head? You'd better slow down Don't dance so fast. Time is short. The music won't last. Ever told your child, We'll do it tomorrow? And in your haste, Not see his sorrow? Ever lost touch, Let a good friendship die Cause you never had time To call and say,hi You'd better slow down. Don't dance so fast. Time is short. The music won't last. When you run so fast to get somewhere You miss half the fun of getting there. When you worry and hurry through your day, It is like an unopened gift Thrown away. Life is not a race. Do take it slower Hear the music Before the song is over. PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO HELP THIS LITTLE GIRL. ALL FORWARDED E-MAILS ARE TRACKED TO OBTAIN THE TOTAL COUNT PLEASE pass this mail on to everybody you know. It is the request of a special little girl who will soon leave this world as she has cancer. Please send this to everyone you know or don't know. This little girl has 6 months left to live, and as her dying wish, she wanted to send a letter telling everyone to live their life to the fullest, since she never will. She'll never make it to prom, graduate from high school, or get married and have a family of her own. By you sending this to as many people as possible, you can give her and her family a little hope, because with every name that this is sent to, The American Cancer Society will donate 3 cents per name to her treatment and recovery plan. One guy sent this to 500 people! So I know that we can send it to at least 5 Or 6. Just think it could be you one day. It's not even your money, just your time! PLEASE PASS ON AS A LAST REQUEST Dr. Dennis Shields, Professor Department of Developmental and Molecular Biology 1300 Morris Park Avenue Bronx, New York 10461 DO SPEND A MOMENT OF PRAYER FOR MANY LIKE HER ! courtesy:Dr.Sanel Dr.Smithy,ANGAMALY,KERALA _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail. _ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com This mail is generated from JOYnet, a Jesus Youth mailing list. To unsubscribe, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] To subscribe to this mailing list, visit http://www.jesusyouth.org/joynet For automatic help, send a mail to [EMAIL PROTECTED] In case of any issue related to the mailing list contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
