from:"BF"

Why is Help so unhelpful!  I'm always frustrated by trying to find  a n y t h i 
n g  in Help.  When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the 
beginning, so I don't know where to find it.

I just spent 15 mins looking for 'no children.'  A report said 'one daughter, 
no given name' because I had entered 'none' in red - the couple had no 
children. I searched for 'no children' needlessly.   (And another 15-30 mins to 
try to find how to show 'unknown gender.')


To illustrate my point, here's what I got when I searched - For ‘gender unknown’

    Under Index
Changing Gender
Swapping Husband and Wife
 
    Under Search
Add or Edit Event Definition
User-Defined GEDCOM Tags
Information Screen
Colors  Fonts
Customize – Colors
Custom GEDCOM Tags
 
 Does any of this have anything to do with 'gender unknown'?  I didn't look 
because it doesn't seem to.

Betty
FL


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Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Oh, do I have to search with ' ' enclosing?  I'll try that. Thanks.

 From: Mike Fry mike...@iafrica.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 9:41 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

On 2012/01/07 16:20, BF wrote:

 To illustrate my point, here's what I got when I searched - For ‘gender 
 unknown’

You're not searching for the phrase 'gender unknown', but all indexed
occurrences of the two words 'gender' and 'unknown'.

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg

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Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

How to enter 'no chldn' so a report doesn't show - one dau, no name!

 From: Sherry/Support she...@legacyfamilytree.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Are you looking in the Index or Search tab?  Single words are best.

I'm not sure why you were looking for no children - what
specifically were you hoping to find out?

Using the Index tab for Gender, I was taken to the topic on the
Information Screen and it says

Gender
Select the appropriate radio button.  If you don't know the gender of
the individual, select ? for unknown.  (When you are editing an
existing individual, these buttons may be grayed out if the person is
already part of a marriage.)

So yes, this topic *does* have something to do with your search
because that's where you enter the gender of the individual. Don't
discount a topic title because what you're looking for *is* discussed
in those topics that come up

Also - the Index shows   Unknown Gender - which again takes you to the
Information Screen topic

Gender in the Search tab listed a lot more topics because it's an
everyword search and may or may not apply as well as the topics in the
Index tab.

I also looked up  gender unknown in the search tab and the same
topic was in the list of suggestions.

When you're in a window in Legacy and aren't sure what to do, just
click on the Help button in that window and you'll be taken to the
appropriate topic.

Sincerely,
Sherry
Technical Support
Legacy Family Tree

On Sat, Jan 7, 2012 at 6:20 AM, BF b.fri...@yahoo.com wrote:
 Why is Help so unhelpful!  I'm always frustrated by trying to find  a n y t
 h i n g  in Help.  When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after the
 beginning, so I don't know where to find it.

 I just spent 15 mins looking for 'no children.'  A report said 'one
 daughter, no given name' because I had entered 'none' in red - the couple
 had no children. I searched for 'no children' needlessly.   (And another
 15-30 mins to try to find how to show 'unknown gender.')

 To illustrate my point, here's what I got when I searched - For ‘gender
 unknown’
     Under Index
 Changing Gender
 Swapping Husband and Wife

     Under Search
 Add or Edit Event Definition
 User-Defined GEDCOM Tags
 Information Screen
 Colors  Fonts
 Customize – Colors
 Custom GEDCOM Tags

  Does any of this have anything to do with 'gender unknown'?  I didn't look
 because it doesn't seem to.

 Betty
 FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Thanks Gene, 'marriage info' would not have occurred to me to find no children.

 From: Gene Young n2...@cfl.rr.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 10:07 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

On 1/7/2012 9:20 AM, BF wrote:
 Why is Help so unhelpful! I'm always frustrated by trying to find a n y
 t h i n g in Help. When I do find an answer it starts somewhere after
 the beginning, so I don't know where to find it.

You are being too specific in your search.  I just tried to search for
no children by searching just children.  In the list that was presented
I scanned down to where I saw Marriage Information.  I thought that it
would be logical to find children information in a section on Marriage
Information so I clicked on that.  Right in the middle of the page,
clear as day was;

Had No Children

If you have confirmed that this couple had no children, you can check
the This Couple Had No Children box to indicate this.  When this box is
checked, the Child List on the Family View will show Had No Children.

Start with a less specific search and refine it as you go.  This applies
to all search engines.

--

Gene Young
Researching Young, Harer, Cox  Sallada
With Legacy Family Tree
http://myyoungs.atspace.com/index.htm

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Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Jennie, I've been doing genealogy for 20+ yrs and basically
only used FTM; don't like their association with ancestry.com.  Legacy
sounded good, and the good things I like, but as someone said 'I would rather
be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.'  I will be bored silly 
going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or
I'm not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through them
again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of
their content?  Will they tell me the purpose of RINs and MRINs and if I
must use them. I think I saw somewhere that the answer is yes.  Why reports 
print with 'born on Jan 3,
1873' died on Sep 8, 1828...? When you're reading a long report the ONs
really pop. Doubt if there is a way to delete them unless it’s done
manually, if that’s possible.
 
I would like to find what I want to know when I want to
know about it - like an online index - one might expect to find in Help. 
It seems that there are 'correct words' when you're searching for something, and
I think it was you who told me - about another problem that may have been
'married someone Jane Doe' thing in a report -  that things had to be
entered in a certain order! That was a shocker, is it in videos?

 
Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's
complete and ready to use for those of us who just want to enter our family
files with the good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can
be tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the
nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that.
 
This UG seems to be the only place to get answers, but
frequently they come with the ‘you should have known that’ attitude.  When I 
google, I only get Legacy sites.  When I search the archives I get a collection
of unrelated to the subject entries.  They
seem to be sorted by subject not by content, so what I’m looking for may be in
some unrelated subject that doesn't pull up. 
 
Seems there just isn’t a good place to find a quick
answer?  We need a Legacy for Dummies
book – online.  Those books don’t usually
assume you already know answers to everything leading up to your question, AND
they have an index. 
 
I'm thinking when I finish this, nearly done 2,000 people
project, I will need to copy the report into Word and edit it.  If that's
possible.  I have to print a report for the man who doesn't use a computer, 
otherwise some of these 'problems' I have might not exist.

 
Frustrated?  Yes. 


Betty
FL




 From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 11:10 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

On 07/01/2012 14:20, BF wrote:
 Why is Help so unhelpful!  I'm always frustrated by trying to find  a n
 y t h i n g  in Help.  When I do find an answer it starts somewhere
 after the beginning, so I don't know where to find it.

As some of the things you are looking for are really rather basic you
might find it helpful to take a step back and do some general learning
to broaden your knowledge of the program.

This may seem time-consuming when you are wanting to get on with
entering your family members and sharing Reports, but it really will
save you time - and frustration! - in the long run.

For example, if you worked through the Tutorials (see the Content menu
under Help) you would have learned all about the Marriage Information
screen, including indicating that a couple had no children, in just the
6th exercise.

There are also a good selection of tutorial Videos available.  You have
to purchase these to get the full benefit, but even just the previews
can teach you a lot.

--
Jenny M Benson


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Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Ron, your answers are always THE best. I look forward to the Ferguson Genealogy Software!BettyFL   From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com  Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files  






Gene,

I think that you are, perhaps, being a little
unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil !

Seriously though, I think that we should realise
that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep learning
curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10 years or so
ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite some time
messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I thought
clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped using the
Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in.

It is not unreasonable to expect someone to have
looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like for the
OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or if it does
it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be done, but
without asking the question one will never know.

I admit to being one of those who is more likely
than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding a
facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by following
the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering nothing. It
certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you should have
known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for details, and,
indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/



From: Gene Adams 
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files



Amen to that Jenny. 
If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe
their best tool is a pencil and paper.

Gene




From: Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.ukTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7,
2012 11:04 AMSubject: Re:
[LegacyUG] Help filesbut as someone said 'I would rather
be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.'I really
think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of courseit's
perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to "program" (Iwould
prefer to use the word "use" in this context) - people didgenealogy long
before computers came on the scene. But if someone wantsto take
advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program theyneed to learn
how to do so.It's possible to make lots of journeys by bus, train or on
foot, but ifyou want the convenience of using your car you have to learn to
drive it! I will be bored silly going through 'just the
6th' video most of which I know or I'm not interested in and won't rem
anyway; I would need to go through them again NEXT TIME I have a
question. Don't suppose those videos have an index of their
content? I can't tell you a lot about the videos because I haven't
been throughthem all myself. When I first started learning Legacy I
used theTutorials and referred back to them again several times.
Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy edition that's complete and ready
to use for those of us who just want to enter our family files with the
good features, and then leave the in-the-works edition that can be
tweaked to suit your multitude of interests for the
nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are into that.There are 2
answers to that! One is that Legacy *does* offer a Standardedition and
a DeLuxe edition with lots more "bells  whistles" for thosethat want
them.The other is that Legacy *is* a very fully-featured program, which
isprecisely what attracts so many people to it. Those that want a
reallyvery basic program should look elsewhere. This UG seems to
be the only place to get answers, but frequently they come with the
â€˜you should have known thatâ€™ attitude.I'm sorry you feel that
because I'm sure it is not what any of useintend to put across. Those
of us who spend a lot of time here offeringhelp and advise to other users
wouldn't be doing it we thought that!However, I do think that people should
"help themselves" to a certainextent, if only because someone nearly always
learns more that way. Itcan also be a bit annoying when a request for
help comes across as "Ican't be bothered to work out how to do this, so will
someone who hasmade the effort tell me what to do" - although I expect that
is usuallynot what was intended to be implied.--Jenny M
Benson

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Yeah... :-) you have a fan club, Ron. And I know Jennie is a participant too. From: Shirley Richardson shirleyr...@clear.net.nz To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com Sent: Saturday, January 7, 2012 8:15 PM Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

I'll second that Betty. But maybe a knighthood? Sir Ron
has a certain ring to it.

Cheers

Shirley
NZ

- Original Message -
From:
Ron Ferguson
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Sent: Sunday, January 08, 2012 12:31
PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Thanks, Betty, but I think I’ll stick to
websites and leave the heavy lifting to somebody else – it’s my arthritis that
does it!

Ron Ferguson,
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: BF
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 11:02 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Ron, your answers are always THE best. I look forward to the
Ferguson Genealogy Software!

Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.ukTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7,
2012 3:43 PMSubject: Re:
[LegacyUG] Help files

Gene,

I think that you are, perhaps, being a little
unfair, surely a pen rather than a pencil !

Seriously though, I think that we should
realise that for a newcomer to the program, Legacy does have a pretty steep
learning curve – and with all the new stuff it’s getting steeper. Even 10
years or so ago, when I first used the program, I did, like Jenny, spend quite
some time messing around, and right and left clicking just about everything I
thought clickable. When I had some idea as to how it worked then I stopped
using the Sample files, and started to put my own stuff in.

It is not unreasonable to expect someone to
have looked at the Help Files before asking a question on the List, but like
for the OP of this thread, sometimes the required answer does not pop up, or
if it does it is not clear. Or it may be that what one wishes to do cannot be
done, but without asking the question one will never know.

I admit to being one of those who is more
likely than not to give a brief answer, maybe just showing the path to finding
a facility that is needed, in the belief that a person best learns by
following the process through rather than being spoon fed and remembering
nothing. It certainly is not because I wish to give the impression “that you
should have known this”. It is always open to the poster to come back for
details, and, indeed, I deal with many follow-ups off-list.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: Gene Adams
Sent: Saturday, January 07, 2012 7:29 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com

Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Help files

Amen to that Jenny.
If one can not be bothered with how the programs work...then maybe
their best tool is a pencil and paper.

Gene

From: Jenny M Benson
ge...@cedarbank.me.ukTo: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Saturday, January 7,
2012 11:04 AMSubject: Re:
[LegacyUG] Help filesbut as someone said 'I would rather
be doing genealogy than learning how to program Legacy.'I
really think that person was taking the wrong approach. Of
courseit's perfectly possible to do genealogy without learning to
"program" (Iwould prefer to use the word "use" in this context) - people
didgenealogy long before computers came on the scene. But if someone
wantsto take advantage of all the benefits of using a computer program
theyneed to learn how to do so.It's possible to make lots of
journeys by bus, train or on foot, but ifyou want the convenience of using
your car you have to learn to drive it! I will be bored
silly going through 'just the 6th' video most of which I know or I'm
not interested in and won't rem anyway; I would need to go through
them again NEXT TIME I have a question. Don't suppose those videos
have an index of their content? I can't tell you a lot
about the videos because I haven't been throughthem all myself. When
I first started learning Legacy I used theTutorials and referred back to
them again several times. Too bad there isn't a standard Legacy
edition that's complete and ready to use for those of us who just want
to enter our family files with the good features, and then leave the
in-the-works edition that can be tweaked to suit your multitude of
interests for the nitty-gritty-look-under-every-leaf folks who are
into that.There are 2 answers to that! One is that Legacy *does*
offer a Standardedition and a DeLuxe edition with lots more "bells
whistles" for thosethat want them.The other is that Legacy *is* a
very fully-featured program, which isprecisely what attracts so many
people to it. Those that want a reallyvery basic program should look
elsewhere. This UG seems to be the only place to get answe

[LegacyUG] How to search middle name in index?

2012-01-02 Thread BF

Is there a way to search for a middle name in the index?  Some folks go by 
their middle name and when I don't rem their 'unused' first name I have to 
search through the surname.  Just a nuisance with the relatively small tree I'm 
working on now, but will be a bigger problem when I start working on my 
families.  Didn't see it addressed in archives since 09.

Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to search middle name in index?

2012-01-02 Thread BF

Thanks Jenny, but in your example I can't search Mary in the index and get Jane 
Mary...  I tried a * wildcard, which did nothing.  Just got an idea and 
searched      then   '   and got only the first instance,   , and it won't go 
to the next,  so that didn't work either.

Ex: (Same as your Jane Mary) - Henry Roy was known only as Roy; Dora Oral was 
Oral...  I'm entering scattered info;what I want to dois just locate them in 
the index so I can see their family.



 From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 5:52 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to search middle name in index?

On 02/01/2012 10:10, BF wrote:
 Is there a way to search for a middle name in the index?  Some folks go
 by their middle name and when I don't rem their 'unused' first name I
 have to search through the surname.  Just a nuisance with the relatively
 small tree I'm working on now, but will be a bigger problem when I start
 working on my families.  Didn't see it addressed in archives since 09.

If a person is known by any name which is not the first given name, you
should enter their full Forename as follows:

Jane Mary Mary or Henry Hal.

In Reports you can choose to Use Quoted Name for Narratives and Remove
Quoted Given Names so you report might read Jane Mary Doe was born 
Mary married ...

You can search for these people by using the Detailed Search and
selecting Given Names / Contains / Mary or Given Names / Contains / Hal.

--
Jenny M Benson


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to search middle name in index?

2012-01-02 Thread BF

OK, thanks.  More complicated but I'll try it.

 From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, January 2, 2012 6:42 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to search middle name in index?

On 02/01/2012 11:21, BF wrote:
 Thanks Jenny, but in your example I can't search Mary in the index and
 get Jane Mary...  I tried a * wildcard, which did nothing.  Just got an
 idea and searched      then   '   and got only the first instance,   ,
 and it won't go to the next,  so that didn't work either.
 Ex: (Same as your Jane Mary) - Henry Roy was known only as Roy; Dora
 Oral was Oral... I'm entering scattered info;what I want to dois just
 locate them in the index so I can see their family.

If you search in the way I detailed you will get a list in the Name List
view.  From there you can select any name and switch to Index View or
Family View.  To go to the next person, click the little bar with 2
downward arrows next the Search button.  This will take you back to the
Search List (Name List view) and you can select the next one.

--
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[LegacyUG] New Fam Search

2011-12-05 Thread BF

Nanette, call them.  I called a few mos ago because I had trouble signing on 
and got on as an indexer - with help.

Betty
FL




 From: Nannette Fretwell nannet...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, December 5, 2011 4:01 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] V8


I've tried several times to get allowance on the site - even as an indexer and 
arbitrator I still cannot get through the login. It's a bit frustrating.


On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 12:33 PM, Cheryl Rothwell historysle...@gmail.com 
wrote:

Has something different happened? I went to the site, signed in,
everything seemed the same as before.



On Mon, Dec 5, 2011 at 1:21 PM, Paula Ryburn paula.ryb...@sbcglobal.net 
wrote:

 Typed too soon... have my login but here's the message when I try to use it:

 Your account is not ready for new.familysearch.org.
 Members of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.You will be 
 informed
 by your priesthood leaders when your area can use the system. Members should 
 use

 their LDS Account.
 Volunteers who previously used new.familysearch.org.
 Click here to combine your previous and new accounts.
 General public. Look for a future announcement when you will have access to
 new.familysearch.org.



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[LegacyUG] Uninstall

2011-12-03 Thread BF

Kathy, I uninstalled/reinstalled Legacy and the new install is better than the 
old before a problem surfaced.  It may have cleared up other problems that 
weren't apparent yet, or maybe an upgrade didn't install properly for me.

Betty
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[LegacyUG] Way to print the entire file?

2011-12-02 Thread BF

For the family of the man who doesn’t use a computer, I
would like to print an index that would include every individual in the tree
(about 1600). Is there a report that would include all with their info? 
 
For desc. of John  Sylvia to ‘Leland,’ (about 100 pgs in
Narrative, the main and largest section) I see the index, but desc of children
of John not in Leland’s direct line would not be included.
 
If I print Leland’s ancestors in Narrative, then break the
rest up into narratives of John’s ‘descendants  of child 1, child 2, etc, will 
that catch
everyone? (John had 14 chldn but for some there is little info.)  Then they 
would all be indexed but –
separately, within their group.
 
Else, is there a way to print the entire index (not the best
- that would just be alphabetized names with no reference to pages where they
might be found); maybe include dates, spouses.
 
Any ideas for the best way to get a hard copy for him to see the
scope?  Thanks.


Betty
FL


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Re: [LegacyUG] Way to print the entire file?

2011-12-02 Thread BF

Ron, as usual, you have the perfect answer! Have only a couple of horizontal 
pgs of Unk surnames :-)  Thanks a bunch.

Betty
FL




 From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Way to print the entire file?


Betty,
 
ViewName ListPrint and select the fields
which you wish to include.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
From: BF
Sent: Friday, December 02, 2011 12:17 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Way to print the entire file?
  For the family of the man who doesn’t use a computer, I
would like to print an index that would include every individual in the tree
(about 1600). Is there a report that would include all with their info? 
 
For desc. of John  Sylvia to ‘Leland,’ (about 100 pgs
in Narrative, the main and largest section) I see the index, but desc of
children of John not in Leland’s direct line would not be included.
 
If I print Leland’s ancestors in Narrative, then break the
rest up into narratives of John’s ‘descendants  of child 1, child 2, etc, will 
that catch
everyone? (John had 14 chldn but for some there is little info.)  Then they 
would all be indexed but –
separately, within their group.
 
Else, is there a way to print the entire index (not the
best - that would just be alphabetized names with no reference to pages where
they might be found); maybe include dates, spouses.
 
Any ideas for the best way to get a hard copy for him to
see the scope?  Thanks.

 
Betty
FL


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Fw: [LegacyUG] Way to print the entire file?

2011-12-02 Thread BF

Thanks, Alan, I had tried Ron's advice before I read yours but will check it 
out too before I print
Betty
FL

- Forwarded Message -
From: Alan Pereira alanpere...@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, December 2, 2011 7:42 AM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] Way to print the entire file?

Best way I can thinks of is to use the Descendant Tab
First go to the oldest ancestor
select Descendant Tab
Click on tab header - say birth date , then add, if missing, columns for 
christening and death date
Choose print then preview to see what it looks like before printing. 
Note: Adding too much detail causes this to wrap test to the next line making 
it less readable.
You may want to think about Landscape printing to get more information per line.
Alan

From:BF [mailto:b.fri...@yahoo.com]
Sent: 02 December 2011 12:17
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Way to print the entire file?

For the family of the man who doesn’t use a computer, I would like to print an 
index that would include every individual in the tree (about 1600). Is there a 
report that would include all with their info? 

For desc. of John  Sylvia to ‘Leland,’ (about 100 pgs in Narrative, the main 
and largest section) I see the index, but desc of children of John not in 
Leland’s direct line would not be included.

If I print Leland’s ancestors in Narrative, then break the rest up into 
narratives of John’s ‘descendants  of child 1, child 2, etc, will that catch 
everyone? (John had 14 chldn but for some there is little info.)  Then they 
would all be indexed but – separately, within their group.

Else, is there a way to print the entire index (not the best - that would just 
be alphabetized names with no reference to pages where they might be found); 
maybe include dates, spouses.

Any ideas for the best way to get a hard copy for him to see the scope?  Thanks.

Betty
FL

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[LegacyUG] Shoeck's not in index

2011-11-30 Thread BF

How do I get my Shoeck's to appear in the index.  There are 8 of them.  If I go 
to Index and type Shoeck, there is nothing.  I have to remember a wife then 
after I can see the name in a family file, THEN go to Index, they're there.  
(New redownload is working better than ever.)

Betty
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Re: [LegacyUG] Shoeck's not in index

2011-11-30 Thread BF

Yes, they're in the list.  Spelling it is!  Even here... correct spelling is 
Schoeck.  Thanks for pointing out the obvious, Jenny.

Betty
FL




 From: Jenny M Benson ge...@cedarbank.me.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, November 30, 2011 8:39 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Shoeck's not in index

On 30/11/2011 12:45, BF wrote:
 How do I get my Shoeck's to appear in the index.  There are 8 of them.
 If I go to Index and type Shoeck, there is nothing.  I have to remember
 a wife then after I can see the name in a family file, THEN go to Index,
 they're there.

If you click in the Surname box to sort the list by surname, then scan
down the list do you see the Shoecks?

The only reason I can think of for them not showing up when you type the
name to search for is if you are accidentally typing it with a different
spelling to what you have used in your family file.

--
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[LegacyUG] Ctrl + whatever

2011-11-03 Thread BF

Is there a list of Ctrl + whatever letter - to show what else is available 
using Ctrl and a letter?

Betty
FL

From: my genealogy email rgstrongge...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] export a group of people

Cheryl,
Open the Tag Records screen Ctrl-t and you can file in the Description boxes
with whatever you are using each tag for. That way when you mouse over the
tag number on any screen that has the little tag boxes, the description will
show as a reminder to you.
Russ

-Original Message-
From: Cheryl Rothwell
Sent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:13 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] export a group of people

Wendy and Ron - I have no idea what tags are for which is why I was
concerned. Yes, I need to learn more about the program but I am sick
of spending more time on the software than genealogy so I haven't done
that. I'm spending my time working on the actual data. That would be
easier if I could break out groups - hence the question.

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Re: [LegacyUG] Ctrl + whatever

2011-11-03 Thread BF

I had a manual - it seems to have disappeared.  Just searched and don't see how 
to get one again.  Where is the manual?

Betty
FL
From: Ron Taylor doit4...@yahoo.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 4:52 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Ctrl + whatever

In the help files index enter Keyboard Shortcuts.
I think they are also listed on the back cover of the Legacy manual if you have 
one.

--- On Thu, 11/3/11, BF b.fri...@yahoo.com wrote:

From: BF b.fri...@yahoo.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Ctrl + whatever
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Date: Thursday, November 3, 2011, 2:36 PM

Is there a list of Ctrl + whatever letter - to show what else is available 
using Ctrl and a letter?

Betty
FL
From: my genealogy email rgstrongge...@gmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Thursday, November 3, 2011 1:30 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] export a group of people
Cheryl,Open the Tag Records screen Ctrl-t and you can file in the Description 
boxeswith whatever you are using each tag for. That way when you mouse over 
thetag number on any screen that has the little tag boxes, the description 
willshow as a reminder to you.Russ-Original Message-From: Cheryl 
RothwellSent: Thursday, November 03, 2011 8:13 AMTo: 
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peopleWendy and Ron - I have no idea what tags are for which is why I 
wasconcerned. Yes, I need to learn more about the program but I am sickof 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups DNLD

2011-10-26 Thread BF

I think I do need to dnld Legacy again and lose whatever I've done recently.  
I've been getting people who I know are linked showing w/o the link.  And 
having to back into a family from a name I remember if they don't show a link - 
Ex: yesterday Margaret Workman was shown w/o parents.  I remembered that she 
was a sister to Calvin W. so I opened him from the index, made his parents the 
current family and there she was.  So when I clicked on her name the parents 
were there.  She is only in the index once.  That has happened a few times with 
different people.
 
Someone mentioned not entering people in the correct order can cause a problem 
- I think they said entering a child before a husb was a problem?? I just enter 
people as I find them.  But as for Margaret above, she is from, I believe, a 
third generation so she has been in the file quite a while, not recently 
entered.
 
How do I dnld Legacy again? I looked a while back and it told me I had the 
latest version.
 
Betty
FL
 
 
Betty,

Sorry I've not been around today, really busy. Mike, it is thought that this
happened due a power failure, and all the evidence points to a corrupt
database.

Betty, I would now follow the path which Dennis suggested, if that doesn't
work then uninstall/reinstall Legacy and use FileRestore Family File to
open your backup (the last before the power failure) but please do remember
to give it an unused file name when asked.

If that doesn't work I think that we will have run out of options for you to
try, and I would ask Legacy support to see if they can sort it out for you.
am still very busy, but will try and keep an eye on this thread for the next
5 hours, or so like up to my bed time!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

On 2011/10/25 18:32, BF wrote:

 No.  Tried that Mike.  Couldn't do ANYTHING except minimize, maximize the
 blank marriage screen.  Couldn't close Legacy - nothing, just beeps when I
 attempted anything but min/max.

Sounds like a corrupt database :-(

--
Regards,
Mike Fry
Johannesburg



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Fw: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups DNLD

2011-10-26 Thread BF

Well, Ron, I got 'this program uninstalled correctly' then clicking that I got 
'this program might not have uninstalled correctly.'  The Help said to click 
uninstalled correctly, which I did, again.  The icon is still in the tray - I 
opened it  There is my file, checked the ver - same one, so I would say it DID 
NOT uninstall.  I tried again and got 'could not open install log file.'
 
When the time comes - I was wondering if to locate recent changes lost I could 
go to the View Tree thing on a recent save to check used RIN #s, compared with 
the old file that would not have those numbers.  Of course that would only be 
new people, not changes made.
 
Betty
FL

Hi Betty,

All my not be lost with your latest work. I have not mentioned it before
because the priority must be to get your database in order first, but
Dropbox retains a history of your changes. The latest before the power
failure may be the corrupted version, or may not, but once your DB is sorted
it is something which can be considered.

Firstly, uninstall Legacy, then go to the Legacy Website and download from
there, it is not the Update which you need but the full version. I would
advise making a note of the Delux number (you will find it in the General
Information Icon - customer number) before you uninstall.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: BF
Sent: Wednesday, October 26, 2011 5:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups  DNLD

I think I do need to dnld Legacy again and lose whatever I've done recently.
I've been getting people who I know are linked showing w/o the link.  And
having to back into a family from a name I remember if they don't show a
link - Ex: yesterday Margaret Workman was shown w/o parents.  I remembered
that she was a sister to Calvin W. so I opened him from the index, made his
parents the current family and there she was.  So when I clicked on her name
the parents were there.  She is only in the index once.  That has happened a
few times with different people.

Someone mentioned not entering people in the correct order can cause a
problem - I think they said entering a child before a husb was a problem?? I
just enter people as I find them.  But as for Margaret above, she is from, I
believe, a third generation so she has been in the file quite a while, not
recently entered.

How do I dnld Legacy again? I looked a while back and it told me I had the
latest version.

Betty
FL


Betty,

Sorry I've not been around today, really busy. Mike, it is thought that this
happened due a power failure, and all the evidence points to a corrupt
database.

Betty, I would now follow the path which Dennis suggested, if that doesn't
work then uninstall/reinstall Legacy and use FileRestore Family File to
open your backup (the last before the power failure) but please do remember
to give it an unused file name when asked.

If that doesn't work I think that we will have run out of options for you to
try, and I would ask Legacy support to see if they can sort it out for you.
am still very busy, but will try and keep an eye on this thread for the next
5 hours, or so like up to my bed time!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

-Original Message-
From: Mike Fry
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 5:58 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

On 2011/10/25 18:32, BF wrote:

 No.  Tried that Mike.  Couldn't do ANYTHING except minimize, maximize the
 blank marriage screen.  Couldn't close Legacy - nothing, just beeps when I
 attempted anything but min/max.

Sounds like a corrupt database :-(

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-25 Thread BF

Ron and Dennis,
 
I got hung up on marriages with a blank screen again this a.m.  Used Task Mgr 
close again.
 
Now I have done the  Uncheck and recheck procedure.  I'll see what 
happens next!  Thanks.
 
Betty
FL
 
 
 
Thanks, Dennis sounds like it's worth having a go at.

Are you OK with doing that Betty? If not please come back for an explanation
of how to do it.

And please set your Yahoo email client to Plain Text, so that the three of
us are kept in the loop.

Ron Ferguson
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-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:33:25 +0100, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Hi Ron,

Thanks for reposting in plain text.

Speaking to Betty's very last problem...

AFAIK, tblXI (deleted individuals) and tblXM (deleted marriages) get
populated when the user chooses to Reuse abandoned RINs on the Options
 Customize  Data Defaults screen (in V6). If either of these tables
gets corrupted, you can try unchecking the Reuse abandoned RINs (close
and restart Legacy for good measure). Then go back and check Reuse
abandoned RINs. This should cause Legacy to rebuild those tables.

If that doesn't work, then I would contact support and get one-on-one
help.

--

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

2011-10-25 Thread BF

Dennis, by the time I go through the frustration of trials, errors, Task Mgr, 
restart, etc.  I don't rem which marriage it was hung on.  However, when I 
attempt to look at any marriage icon, they come up when I open Legacy again.  
If it hangs again I'll make a note of where I was.  Maybe your suggestion was a 
fix??
Betty
FL

I got hung up on marriages with a blank screen again this a.m.  Used Task Mgr 
close again.

Is this repeatable? If you restart Legacy and go to that screen does it
hang again?

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[LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

Thanks Ron  Mike.  Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  
I just have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then under 
buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.
Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

Betty,

It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL
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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name

Thanks, when I clicked on Toledo with Hillside Cem - there was only one!  So I 
chgd it manually. Good lesson for future tho.
 
Betty
FL


Betty,
 
Sounds like you have them in the Locations, as Mike suggested, you will find 
the Master List at ViewMaster ListsLocations. Find the one which contains 
“Topeka”and highlight it, click the ‘Combine With’ button, then find the record 
with “Toldeo” in it, again highlight the record and click ‘Combine With’. All 
changed Job done'. However if you have Topeka correctly in some locations, you 
will have to change each record individually. Using Search SearchReplace and 
opting to confirm each one is probably the best way of doing this.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Thanks Ron  Mike.  Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  
I just have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then under 
buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.
Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name


Betty,
 
It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name



Sorry, I meant only one for the 'wrong one - Topeka' - knew as soon as I hit 
send.  Where's the 'wait a minute' button!
Betty
FL
 
Thanks, when I clicked on Toledo with Hillside Cem - there was only one!  So I 
chgd it manually. Good lesson for future tho.
 
Betty
FL


Betty,
 
Sounds like you have them in the Locations, as Mike suggested, you will find 
the Master List at ViewMaster ListsLocations. Find the one which contains 
“Topeka”and highlight it, click the ‘Combine With’ button, then find the record 
with “Toldeo” in it, again highlight the record and click ‘Combine With’. All 
changed Job done'. However if you have Topeka correctly in some locations, you 
will have to change each record individually. Using Search SearchReplace and 
opting to confirm each one is probably the best way of doing this.
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:59 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Thanks Ron  Mike.  Master Loc List is probably something I don't know about.  
I just have them listed on the individual page - 'died 3 Mar 1872, then under 
buried - Hillside Cemetery, Toldeo, Chase, KS'.
Betty
FL

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:38 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name


Betty,
 
It would help if we knew where in Legacy you have entered it!
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 1:09 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Search Cemetery Name
Is there a way to search for a cemetery name?  I changed a few 'Hillside 
Cemetery, Toledo, KS' to Topeka!  It really is Toledo... Just wondered how many 
I entered incorrectly.

Betty
FL

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[LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

1. The electricity went off yesterday while I was working. I opened Legacy
again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been comparing 20 pgs
of names submitted to me. At one point it hung on marriages – after clicking
on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage screen and couldn’t get out a
conventional way, so I used task manager to stop the program, which it said was
Not Responding. When I opened it again I had the same man and woman listed as
second marriages for each – just same names listed twice, and another person as
wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was able to unlink him. The 2 marriages weren’t
in the index as 2 people. Deleted and reentered.
2. I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since I’ve had
it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before it has
digested the last move??
3. With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not
have entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a backup,
or open it under another name? I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not have
been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I don't know
what would be lost. I wasn’t sure I should backup after the electricity
stopped in case entries were damaged. If I could just look at an older one
maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected with that
marriage?? (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not under File}? I
use the default with current date.)
Betty
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Ron, will you lead me by the hand?  With Check Repair, I get:Error rebuilding 
Deleted Marriage List.  Error 30-22:  The changes you requested to the table 
were not successful because they would create duplicate values in the index, 
primary key, or relationship.  Change the data in the field or fields that 
contain duplicate data, remove the index, or redefine the index to permit 
duplicate entries and try again.  Would you like to TRY IT AGAIN?  Y  N Quit
 
Betty
FL
 

From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups


Betty,
 
I should have advised uninstalling before reinstalling, if it will let you – if 
it won’t then just install, may work!
 
Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/
 
 
From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups
Betty,
 
Firstly I would try FileFile MaintenanceCheck Repair – might do it but might 
not.
 
Your problems could well be created by the electricity failure. I hope that you 
had a back up, and if so I suggest that you use FileRestore to run it, but 
when asked to save use a new file name. Check that to see if it is as it should 
be. You will then have to repeat the work since the last back-up.
 
If not I would reinstall Legacy, and repeat.
 
Ron Ferguson
 
 
From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups
1. The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened Legacy 
again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today I’ve been comparing 20 pgs 
of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on marriages – after clicking 
on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage screen and couldn’t get out a 
conventional way, so I used task manager to stop the program, which it said was 
Not Responding.   When I opened it again I had the same man and woman listed as 
second marriages for each – just same names listed twice, and another person as 
wife of my ‘main’ subject; I was able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages weren’t 
in the index as 2 people.  Deleted and reentered.
 
2. I’ve had ‘Legacy Not Responding’ – just a couple of times since I’ve had 
it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before it has 
digested the last move??
 
3. With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my 
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the ‘wife’ is only 
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not have 
entered them 'loose' – is it possible to ‘look at’ or ‘Compare’ a backup, or 
open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my 
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not have 
been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I don't know 
what would be lost.  I wasn’t sure I should backup after the electricity 
stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at an older one 
maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected with that 
marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not under File}? I 
use the default with current date.)
 
Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Will try repair first - wasn't sure what to do after I got that msg. Then will 
try B U.  Thx.
 
Betty
FL



Betty,

There is no harm in asking it to try and correct again, I usually repeat
until there are no error messages.

However, I have never had this message and it seems likely that the power
failure has damaged your database, in which case you may have to send it to
Legacy. Have you tried running your backup?

You may notice that I have changed you post to plain text because I would
like a second opinion from Dennis Kowallek, who will not have seen your post
because he does not accept posts in HTML (and rightly in my opinion!). He
may also be able to come up with an alternative scenario. So please adjust
your email client settings so that any reply is in plain text.

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:14 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Ron, will you lead me by the hand?  With Check Repair, I get:

Error rebuilding Deleted Marriage List.  Error 30-22:  The changes you
requested to the table were not successful because they would create
duplicate values in the index, primary key, or relationship.  Change the
data in the field or fields that contain duplicate data, remove the index,
or redefine the index to permit duplicate entries and try again.  Would you
like to TRY IT AGAIN?  Y  N Quit

Betty
FL





From: Ron Ferguson ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups


Betty,

I should have advised uninstalling before reinstalling, if it will let you â€“
if it wonâ€™t then just install, may work!

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: Ron Ferguson
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 9:00 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

Betty,

Firstly I would try FileFile MaintenanceCheck Repair â€“ might do it but
might not.

Your problems could well be created by the electricity failure. I hope that
you had a back up, and if so I suggest that you use FileRestore to run it,
but when asked to save use a new file name. Check that to see if it is as it
should be. You will then have to repeat the work since the last back-up.

If not I would reinstall Legacy, and repeat.

Ron Ferguson


From: BF
Sent: Monday, October 24, 2011 8:07 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

1.    The electricity went off yesterday while I was working.  I opened
Legacy again and didn't notice any oddities. Most of today Iâ€™ve been
comparing 20 pgs of names submitted to me.  At one point it hung on
marriages â€“ after clicking on the marriage icon I got a blank marriage
screen and couldnâ€™t get out a conventional way, so I used task manager to
stop the program, which it said was Not Responding.  When I opened it again
I had the same man and woman listed as second marriages for each â€“ just same
names listed twice, and another person as wife of my â€˜mainâ€™ subject; I was
able to unlink him.  The 2 marriages werenâ€™t in the index as 2 people.
Deleted and reentered.

2.    Iâ€™ve had â€˜Legacy Not Respondingâ€™ â€“ just a couple of times since 
Iâ€™ve
had it. Do I do something to cause that? Like start typing or enter before
it has digested the last move??

3.    With all of that as a preface, I just found 2nd marriage info in my
comparison that I thought I had entered months ago and the â€˜wifeâ€™ is only
connected to her parents now and they have no ancestors, I would not have
entered them 'loose' â€“ is it possible to â€˜look atâ€™ or â€˜Compareâ€™ a 
backup, or
open it under another name?  I suppose if I Restore it will overwrite my
current files and delete anything I did the past 2-3 days, which may not
have been a lot I spent a lot of time on findagrave and ancestry; but I
don't know what would be lost.  I wasnâ€™t sure I should backup after the
electricity stopped in case entries were damaged.  If I could just look at
an older one maybe there were children, siblings, and more links connected
with that marriage??  (If so, where do I even find physical backups {not
under File}? I use the default with current date.)

Betty
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Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

I wonder what the plain text comments are all about?? What are you getting? 
This is Arial 14, is that it? I noticed that it came through in replies 
larger.  Seems like other sites I send to return it smaller when replying.   
Tired tonight, will start again tomorrow. (Not my very last problem Dennis, 
just my most current..  :-) )  I kept running the Repair file, will see if I 
can determine what that did.
 
Betty
FL
 
Betty
FL
 
Thanks, Dennis sounds like it's worth having a go at.

Are you OK with doing that Betty? If not please come back for an explanation
of how to do it.

And please set your Yahoo email client to Plain Text, so that the three of
us are kept in the loop.

Ron Ferguson
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-Original Message-
From: Dennis M. Kowallek
Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 12:05 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Not Responding and Backups

On Mon, 24 Oct 2011 23:33:25 +0100, Ron Ferguson
ronfergy@tiscali.co.uk wrote:

Hope you see this, Dennis, what do you think?

Hi Ron,

Thanks for reposting in plain text.

Speaking to Betty's very last problem...

AFAIK, tblXI (deleted individuals) and tblXM (deleted marriages) get
populated when the user chooses to Reuse abandoned RINs on the Options
 Customize  Data Defaults screen (in V6). If either of these tables
gets corrupted, you can try unchecking the Reuse abandoned RINs (close
and restart Legacy for good measure). Then go back and check Reuse
abandoned RINs. This should cause Legacy to rebuild those tables.

If that doesn't work, then I would contact support and get one-on-one
help.

--

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[LegacyUG] Unsubscribe but see archives

2011-10-21 Thread BF

  My mailbox is being filled and overflowing with msgs.  If I unsubscribe 
to clear the mailbox, can I reach the archived msgs when I'm ready to take some 
time to read them, or search a subject?
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

2011-10-19 Thread BF

Tech support said the problem had not been resolved so I didn't do anything 
more about it.  But thanks, I will keep all suggestions and will need to do 
something before I print the report.

Betty
FL

From: Kirsten Bowman vik...@rvi.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 1:00 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

Betty:

A problem like this cropped up a few years ago and may be the same as what 
you’re seeing.  My recollection is that it was caused by entering data in a 
certain sequence.  In my case I believe I had entered a wife’s details and a 
marriage date before entering the husband’s name.  Legacy automatically adds 
“someone” (which is invisible) and when the second spouse’s name is entered it 
doesn’t overwrite that but just adds it as “Mary married someone John Smith” or 
the reverse.  I had to delete the couple and then re-enter both husband and 
wife before adding the marriage date in order to clear the “someone.”

It’s been quite a while since this happened so my memory is fuzzy, but there 
was a long thread about it before the cause was discovered.

Kirsten 

From: BF
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:08 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

7.5.0.112    I'll check tomorrow.  Thanks.

Betty,

Check your marriage wording settings at OptionsCustomiseViewEdit Default
Marriage Wording (button top right). Also Check the Individual Marriage
Screen for the couple you will find the settings under the Wording Options
Tab.

BTW What Legacy version are you using, as I thought this problem had been
eradicated â€“ certainly not seen it crop up for ages?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: BF
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

I had a strange thing happen a couple times.  One example is in a
descendant's report, farther down than the beginning, I read
'William M Workman married someone Margaret Gargus.'  Say what?  Where did
'someone' come from, especially with a name there!

Betty
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Re: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

2011-10-19 Thread BF



That's the feeling that I'm getting - that there flaws that go unresolved.  The 
new book sounds good but I expect a lot of things that I'm not interested in 
and what I am interested in may not be there, the same problem I have in Help 
(which disappeared for a while)!  Those pdf's don't answer questions; I would 
rather just have Geoff by my side instead of the pdf :-) 
 
Betty
FL
 
Brian:
 
It seems a shame that when a problem and an apparent cause is reported it 
should go uncorrected for years.  We all enjoy new feature introductions, but I 
think it’s equally important that the basic system work properly.
 
Kirsten

-Original Message-
From: Brian/Support
Sent: Tuesday, October 18, 2011 6:42 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

The problem report on the issue of the marriage wording using married
someone and a name is still outstanding.

Brian
Customer Support
Millennia Corporation
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On 18/10/2011 8:15 PM, Ron Ferguson wrote:
 Betty,

 Check your marriage wording settings at OptionsCustomiseViewEdit Default
 Marriage Wording (button top right). Also Check the Individual Marriage
 Screen for the couple you will find the settings under the Wording Options
 Tab.

 BTW What Legacy version are you using, as I thought this problem had been
 eradicated Ã¢â‚¬â€œ certainly not seen it crop up for ages?

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[LegacyUG] Wording in reports

2011-10-18 Thread BF

I had a strange thing happen a couple times.  One example is in a descendant's 
report, farther down than the beginning, I read
'William M Workman married someone Margaret Gargus.'  Say what?  Where did 
'someone' come from, especially with a name there!
 
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Re: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

2011-10-18 Thread BF



7.5.0.112    I'll check tomorrow.  Thanks.



Betty,

Check your marriage wording settings at OptionsCustomiseViewEdit Default
Marriage Wording (button top right). Also Check the Individual Marriage
Screen for the couple you will find the settings under the Wording Options
Tab.

BTW What Legacy version are you using, as I thought this problem had been
eradicated â€“ certainly not seen it crop up for ages?

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/


From: BF
Sent: Wednesday, October 19, 2011 12:59 AM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: [LegacyUG] Wording in reports

I had a strange thing happen a couple times.  One example is in a
descendant's report, farther down than the beginning, I read
'William M Workman married someone Margaret Gargus.'  Say what?  Where did
'someone' come from, especially with a name there!

Betty
FL


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Re: [LegacyUG] IBM turned down by Obama

2011-10-17 Thread BF

This isn't exactly true, I thought this thread would be zapped.

Betty
FL

From: kramer...@comcast.net kramer...@comcast.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 11:28 PM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] IBM turned down by Obama

I was surprised to see something so off topic here, but I had not heard about 
this yet.  Thank you for sharing, but in an international and specific venue, 
not everyone will appreciate it.

God bless,
Ellen
From: Deborah Trounstine dtrounst...@comcast.net
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Sunday, October 16, 2011 12:29:49 AM
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] IBM turned down by Obama

Abhorrent propaganda. Shame on you.

On 10/15/2011 2:14 PM, Fred Schwilk wrote:

     *Subject:*  IBM turned down by Obama - *Hope the whole United
     States population finds out about this. IBM offered to help reduce
     Medicare fraud for free... The offer is true.Mort Zuckermann, US
     News and World Report, a Democrat, was interviewed on Fox and
     confirmed it. IBM has confirmed it. You won't believe it.*

     *IBM offered to help reduce Medicare fraud for free...*

     *What if I told you that the And, what if I told you that, in the
     end and after two meetings, President Obama and his team, instead
     of embracing a program that was proven to save money and one that
     was projected to save almost one trillion dollars - a private
     sector program costing the taxpayers nothing, zip, nada, zilch -
     said, Thanks but no thanks and then embarked on passing one of
     the most despised pieces of legislation in US history?*

     *Well, it's all true.*

     *Mr. Palmisano is quoted as saying during a taping
     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YcR_bLBHcJo of The Wall Street
     Journal's Viewpoints program on September 14, 2010: **We could
     have improved the quality and reduced the cost of the healthcare
     system by $900 billion... I said we would do it for free to prove
     that it works. They turned us down.*

     **

     *Be sure to click on the link above for Mr. Palmisano's statement.*

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I sent him an e-m. But don't mistake me for an Obama fan.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard

2011-10-15 Thread BF

Thanks Leo, I don't put the Word files in Pics but in that same group is File - 
(Pic, Sound, Video, File).  In Legacy Pics - the only files there are samples.  
I have added nearly a dz pics - wonder where they are?? Unless there's another 
sub heading under one of the other titles. 
 
Do any of you use 'Files' to link documents?  That's fairly new, isn't it?  
Maybe there's a quirk.  Maybe I should try tech support?
 
Tried to install the docx again this a.m. - same result.  The old file was 
Workman, Fred  Margaret hdstn - the only place I see that (now deleted) is in 
Wordpad under recently used files.  The new one is Fred  Margaret Workman 
hdstn and also a copy same name with a '2' appended.  I renamed a copy Sam 
Jones - got the same unedited file.  That file is 'stuck' somewhere in Legacy!
 
I will be gone most of the day. Later I will try downloading that file again 
from the source. 
 
Betty
FL 

From: leo macdonald macdonald...@hotmail.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 11:10 PM
Subject: RE: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard


Hi Betty,
 
When you click on the picture icon and it opens up select edit, at the bottom 
of the next screen under the buttons Crop and Trim it will display where 
this file is located. Example: C:\Legacy\Pictures\hdstn folder\Fred and Margret 
Workman hdstn.docx
 
If this is where the corrected file is this is fine, if not than you may have 
to redirect Legacy to the correct file. But before you attempt this make sure 
that there is only one file in this folder with the same file name.
 
Close your Legacy program.
 
Go to your Start Button on your computerclick My Computer click your C: 
(drive) click Legacy click Pictures click hdstn folder (or follow the path 
that appeared for the file). Now scroll through your documents to find the file 
Fred and Margret Workman hdstn.docx. If there is only one by this name double 
click on it to check the wording, if it does not contain the newly edited 
version than the changes that you thought you had made did not take effect and 
may have to be edited again.
 
If there are two files with the same file name than check the second file to 
see if it contains the newly edited information. In this case just delete the 
incorrect file and keep the correct file.
 
If the above does not work than you can try and locate the original file before 
you changed the file name, open it up to see if it contains the the newly 
edited version.
 
Assuming that you still have the original file with the newly edited 
information and the file with the correct name but the incorrect information 
than you will have to alter both. Provided that you do not have the orginal 
file attached to other events.  
 
If this is the case than make the following changes:
1) in your Fred and Margret Workman hdstn.docx rename it Frederick and Margret 
Workman hdstn.docx
2) go to the original file with the correctly edited information and rename 
it Fred and Margret Workman hdstn.docx
 
Now open your Legacy program and check to see if the correctly edited file 
opens up.
 
If this works than you can go back in and delete the file renamed Frederick and 
Margret Workman hdstn.docx,
 
I hope this is not too confusing and it helps.
 
Leo
 
 

Date: Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:29:33 -0700
From: b.fri...@yahoo.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com



Thanks Jenny and Bob,
 They’re .docx
Re Tools, Customize Launch – not there in Legacy or Admin Tools for Windows.  
Is there another step between the two? 
 
I’ve use this same procedure to link a census page and a typed obit, no problem 
– difference is that I didn’t make any changes to them.  Also closed Legacy and 
reopened to see if that made a diff.
 
Procedure to link ‘File’:
 
Click Pictures icon
Click File (hdstn folder opens in Word, the last place I used)
Click ‘Fred and Margret Workman hdstn.docx’
Click ‘Open’ in Word (to attach)
Legacy Description pg opens
Type ‘Headstone’ caption
Hit OK – icon labeled Headstone is in the Pic Gallery
Dbl click - didn’t close the .docx file, get ‘the hdstn file is in use, etc…’ 
uses the new and correct file name.  Closed it
Dbl click again – got the old, unedited file that has been deleted.
 
Betty
FL
 
On 14/10/2011 22:24, Bob Rowe wrote:
 Legacy wouldn't change the extension. Are they .doc or .docx? I don't
 even know if Wordpad will open a docx. If it is a .doc and you double
 click the file and it opens in Wordpad, then your file associations
 need fixing so that a .doc opens up in Word instead.

Legacy has the facility to override the Windows defaults so the OP
should go to ToolsCustomiseLaunch and see if Wordpad is selected as
the default wordprocessor for Legacy and if so, change it to Word.

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard THE END temporarily

2011-10-15 Thread BF

Ladies and Gentlemen, I appreciate your help, but I need to do some genealogy 
instead of playing with Legacy.  I started using Legacy for a man who is 87 in 
KS and said his family was all on notes and pcs of paper and that he is running 
out of time.  So I agreed to type it for him... thinking that I would learn 
Legacy on his family then bring over my 10K plus files...I thought I was just 
doing his family, but we now have more than 1,000 and I want to wrap it up so I 
can work on my families.  I see that Files can't be printed in reports and he 
doesn't use a computer so this 'project' would not help him.
 
Thanks again, I'll keep watching your helpful hints and  'I'll be back...'
 
Betty
FL
Ashford, Fritch, Holloman, Miller, Sharp, Trigg, Workman mainly

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[LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard

I'm a relatively new Legacy user: I entered a Word 'file' of a headstone.  It 
was too big and needed cropping, which I did.  Also changed the name. But every 
time I attempt to add the new file it loads the old file, even tho I'm clicking 
on the new file name! I deleted the old file.  I tried adding a wrong file to 
see if that changed the clipboard - nope. How to clear the clipboard? I want to 
add several hdstns from Word as 'files' so would like to find the answer before 
the problem arises again.  Also it opens in Wordpad, can I change it open in 
Word?

At one point it asked me something like 'insert from Windows clipboard?'  I 
said yes - after I copied it, got the same old file result. Could not get that 
option to try again, and again...  Just spend a lot of time in Archives, but 
with a lot of the info being from 07, wonder if a lot of those QAs might have 
been addressed in the software by now.  (Didn't find this particular question.) 
 Thanks.

Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard



Thanks Bob, under Pictures, I'm trying to link a Word file in 'Files.'  I save 
a lot of things in Word because it's faster/easier/some editing, than finding a 
place to save jpg.  Yes, I use Win7/Office 2010, haven't had a problem with 
other software; would Legacy change the file extension?  Guess I have to go 
back through the Word hdstns and change them all to jpg! 

It's the Legacy clipboard that I believe is the problem.  I can copy the 'new' 
hdstn in Word and save it to another location.  Legacy is keeping the unedited 
file and uses it every time I try to link the new one.

Betty
FL


Not quite sure what you are doing! Why would you try to save a Word doc? Why 
wouldn't you keep it a JPG and link the JPG?

I am assuming you actually have Word on your computer. If not, the file will 
open in the next-best thing, Wordpad. If you do have Word, then your file 
associations got a little mixed up and you would have to change that in Windows.

Some versions of Windows Clipboard will allow you to save up to 24 [I think] 
different things in the clipboard, but when you paste it will ask you which of 
the 24 you want to paste?

bob


From: BF b.fri...@yahoo.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:39:46 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard


I'm a relatively new Legacy user: I entered a Word 'file' of a headstone.  It 
was too big and needed cropping, which I did.  Also changed the name. But every 
time I attempt to add the new file it loads the old file, even tho I'm clicking 
on the new file name! I deleted the old file.  I tried adding a wrong file to 
see if that changed the clipboard - nope. How to clear the clipboard? I want to 
add several hdstns from Word as 'files' so would like to find the answer before 
the problem arises again.  Also it opens in Wordpad, can I change it open in 
Word?

At one point it asked me something like 'insert from Windows clipboard?'  I 
said yes - after I copied it, got the same old file result. Could not get that 
option to try again, and again...  Just spend a lot of time in Archives, but 
with a lot of the info being from 07, wonder if a lot of those QAs might have 
been addressed in the software by now.  (Didn't find this particular question.) 
 Thanks.

Betty
FL

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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard

Thanks Jenny and Bob,
 They’re .docx
Re Tools, Customize Launch – not there in Legacy or Admin Tools for Windows.  
Is there another step between the two? 
 
I’ve use this same procedure to link a census page and a typed obit, no problem 
– difference is that I didn’t make any changes to them.  Also closed Legacy and 
reopened to see if that made a diff.
 
Procedure to link ‘File’:
 
Click Pictures icon
Click File (hdstn folder opens in Word, the last place I used)
Click ‘Fred and Margret Workman hdstn.docx’
Click ‘Open’ in Word (to attach)
Legacy Description pg opens
Type ‘Headstone’ caption
Hit OK – icon labeled Headstone is in the Pic Gallery
Dbl click - didn’t close the .docx file, get ‘the hdstn file is in use, etc…’ 
uses the new and correct file name.  Closed it
Dbl click again – got the old, unedited file that has been deleted.
 
Betty
FL
 
On 14/10/2011 22:24, Bob Rowe wrote:
 Legacy wouldn't change the extension. Are they .doc or .docx? I don't
 even know if Wordpad will open a docx. If it is a .doc and you double
 click the file and it opens in Wordpad, then your file associations
 need fixing so that a .doc opens up in Word instead.

Legacy has the facility to override the Windows defaults so the OP
should go to ToolsCustomiseLaunch and see if Wordpad is selected as
the default wordprocessor for Legacy and if so, change it to Word.

--
Jenny M Benson


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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard

Ron, I just assume that it's a clipboard that is saving that old file that has 
been deleted.  I don't know where to find a Note Field.  Saving in Legacy Pic 
Gallery, Field (in the Pic, Sound, Video, Field area). 

Betty,

Like Bob, I was unsure of what you are doing, and to be honest, I am still
puzzled. I cannot for the life of me see how the Legacy Clipboard gets into
the act. I don't use WORD, but do put many files of different formats in the
file section of the gallery - actually only for Sources.

To do this all I do is click the File Icon, browse to the file, select it
and click open. To satisfy myself I just put an OpenOffice .odt file in
(their equivalent to .doc) and had no problem.

It has just occurred to me that with your mention of clipboards, you are
trying to put it in a Note Field. You cannot do this, it must be a text file
for this.

Ron Ferguson
http://www.fergys.co.uk/

From: BF
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 10:04 PM
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Subject: Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard



Thanks Bob, under Pictures, I'm trying to link a Word file in 'Files.'  I
save a lot of things in Word because it's faster/easier/some editing, than
finding a place to save jpg.  Yes, I use Win7/Office 2010, haven't had a
problem with other software; would Legacy change the file extension?  Guess
I have to go back through the Word hdstns and change them all to jpg!


It's the Legacy clipboard that I believe is the problem.  I can copy the
'new' hdstn in Word and save it to another location.  Legacy is keeping the
unedited file and uses it every time I try to link the new one.


Betty
FL

Not quite sure what you are doing! Why would you try to save a Word doc? Why
wouldn't you keep it a JPG and link the JPG?

I am assuming you actually have Word on your computer. If not, the file will
open in the next-best thing, Wordpad. If you do have Word, then your file
associations got a little mixed up and you would have to change that in
Windows.

Some versions of Windows Clipboard will allow you to save up to 24 [I think]
different things in the clipboard, but when you paste it will ask you which
of the 24 you want to paste?

bob

From: BF b.fri...@yahoo.com
To: LegacyUserGroup@LegacyUsers.com
Sent: Friday, October 14, 2011 2:39:46 PM
Subject: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard



I'm a relatively new Legacy user: I entered a Word 'file' of a headstone.
It was too big and needed cropping, which I did.  Also changed the name. But
every time I attempt to add the new file it loads the old file, even tho I'm
clicking on the new file name! I deleted the old file.  I tried adding a
wrong file to see if that changed the clipboard - nope. How to clear the
clipboard? I want to add several hdstns from Word as 'files' so would like
to find the answer before the problem arises again.  Also it opens in
Wordpad, can I change it open in Word?


At one point it asked me something like 'insert from Windows clipboard?'  I
said yes - after I copied it, got the same old file result. Could not get
that option to try again, and again...  Just spend a lot of time in
Archives, but with a lot of the info being from 07, wonder if a lot of those
QAs might have been addressed in the software by now.  (Didn't find this
particular question.)  Thanks.


Betty
FL



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Re: [LegacyUG] How to Clear the Clipboard