Re: What's next for Telux?

[Ori Idan]

I can prepare a new presentation about a project I am currently working on.
Running Linux on an ARM 7 board.
This is a presentation similar to the one I gave on running Linux on a PPC
board.
This one might be even more interesting since ARM7 processors does not have
MMU.

The presentation can be ready in about 3 weeks.

I can also give a rerun of one of my other presentations

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On 12/3/06, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I'm CCing this to Linux-IL to get a broader audience.

Well, today Telux is going to have the last presentation in the "Welcome
to
Linux" series. So now we need to start with the regular activities again.
The
problem is that no one commmitted to give any presentations. So here are
some
ideas on what we can do:

1. Re-runs. Can any of the previous presenters give a re-run of their
previously given presentations?

2. Interactive hacking. Gabor gave a very nice Test::Live session for the
Israeli Perl Mongers. We can do something similar: take a project, and add
tests, fix bugs together etc.

3. Distribution Comparison Session - this idea came up on the Haifux
mailing
list once:


http://www.mail-archive.com/lin-club%40stud.vipe.technion.ac.il/msg00272.html

I liked it back then and I still do. Would anybody be interested in such a
thing?

4. A Lightning Talks session.

5. New Presentations - yes I know it's an unorthodox idea, but maybe
someone
can prepare some in time.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: What's next for Telux?

[Ori Idan]

I would be happy to hear both Muli and Shachar so it seems we have enough
presentation for a while...

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On 12/3/06, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Someone suggested, after http://blog.shemesh.biz/?p=405, that I offer a
lecture about "why is 55 the smallest RSA public key, and what do that
actually mean". Let's call it a crash course on RSA and modern Algebra.

Shachar

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Re: Strange name for network interface (Debian 2.6.18-7)

[Ori Idan]

Network devices are special kind of devices, they do not appear in /dev
However the name of eth1 seems strange.

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On 12/17/06, Maxim Vexler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi List,

I've have 2 NIC's in my home machine, a Intel(R) PRO/1000GT and a
RealTek RTL8139

When the system boots it creates the following (odd) kernel naming
schema, I haven't messed with any of my udev.d rules.
<<<
# ls /sys/class/net/
eth0  eth1_rename_ren  lo  sit0

# udevtest /sys/class/net/eth0
main: looking at device '/class/net/eth0' from subsystem 'net'
wait_for_sysfs: file '/sys/class/net/eth0/address' appeared after 0 loops
udev_rules_get_name: rule applied, 'eth0' becomes 'eth0'
main: run: 'socket:/org/kernel/udev/monitor'
main: run: 'net.agent'
main: run: 'socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event'

# udevtest /sys/class/net/eth1_rename_ren
main: looking at device '/class/net/eth1_rename_ren' from subsystem 'net'
wait_for_sysfs: file '/sys/class/net/eth1_rename_ren/address' appeared
after 0 loops
udev_rules_get_name: rule applied, 'eth1_rename_ren' becomes 'eth0'
rename_netif: changing net interface name from 'eth1_rename_ren' to 'eth0'
udev_device_event: renamed netif to 'eth0'
main: run: 'socket:/org/kernel/udev/monitor'
main: run: 'net.agent'
main: run: 'socket:/org/freedesktop/hal/udev_event'

# ls /dev/eth*
ls: /dev/eth*: No such file or directory
>>>

The (clipped) dmesg log looks like this:
<<<
Linux version 2.6.18-3-686 (Debian 2.6.18-7) ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) (gcc
version 4.1.2 20061115 (prerelease) (Debian 4.1.1-20)) #1 SMP Mon Dec
4 16:41:14 UTC 2006
NET: Registered protocol family 16
NET: Registered protocol family 2
audit: initializing netlink socket (disabled)
audit(1166373050.144:1): initialized
NET: Registered protocol family 1
NET: Registered protocol family 17
NET: Registered protocol family 8
NET: Registered protocol family 20
8139cp: 10/100 PCI Ethernet driver v1.2 (Mar 22, 2004)
Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Driver - version 7.1.9-k4-NAPI
Copyright (c) 1999-2006 Intel Corporation.
8139cp :00:0b.0: This (id 10ec:8139 rev 10) is not an 8139C+
compatible chip
8139cp :00:0b.0: Try the "8139too" driver instead.
8139too Fast Ethernet driver 0.9.27
e1000: :00:0d.0: e1000_probe: (PCI:33MHz:32-bit) 00:0e:0c:b2:de:29
e1000: eth0: e1000_probe: Intel(R) PRO/1000 Network Connection
eth1: RealTek RTL8139 at 0xe000, 00:40:f4:92:86:73, IRQ 11
eth1:  Identified 8139 chip type 'RTL-8100B/8139D'
e1000: eth0: e1000_watchdog: NIC Link is Up 100 Mbps Full Duplex
>>>

Both cards work, I can ssh either one of them after I go manually IP
assign them
>>>
dynamic:~# ifconfig eth0 192.168.4.50 netmask 255.255.255.0
dynamic:~# ifconfig eth1_rename_ren 192.168.4.44 netmask 255.255.255.0
dynamic:~# ifconfig -a
eth0  Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:0E:0C:B2:DE:29
  inet addr:192.168.4.50  Bcast:192.168.4.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::20e:cff:feb2:de29/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:2590 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:2422 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:100
  RX bytes:270181 (263.8 KiB)  TX bytes:444726 (434.3 KiB)
  Base address:0xe800 Memory:e702-e704

eth1_rena Link encap:Ethernet  HWaddr 00:40:F4:92:86:73
  inet addr:192.168.4.44  Bcast:192.168.4.255  Mask:255.255.255.0
  inet6 addr: fe80::240:f4ff:fe92:8673/64 Scope:Link
  UP BROADCAST RUNNING MULTICAST  MTU:1500  Metric:1
  RX packets:1110 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:711 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:1000
  RX bytes:101064 (98.6 KiB)  TX bytes:96177 (93.9 KiB)
  Interrupt:11 Base address:0xe000

loLink encap:Local Loopback
  inet addr:127.0.0.1  Mask:255.0.0.0
  inet6 addr: ::1/128 Scope:Host
  UP LOOPBACK RUNNING  MTU:16436  Metric:1
  RX packets:242 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:242 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:22642 (22.1 KiB)  TX bytes:22642 (22.1 KiB)

sit0  Link encap:IPv6-in-IPv4
  NOARP  MTU:1480  Metric:1
  RX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 frame:0
  TX packets:0 errors:0 dropped:0 overruns:0 carrier:0
  collisions:0 txqueuelen:0
  RX bytes:0 (0.0 b)  TX bytes:0 (0.0 b)
<<<


How can it be that I still communicate with the PC over the network
using those 2 devices if I don't have the proper block device under
/dev?
And WTF did eth1_rename_ren came from ?


Appreciate your i

starting an X application from remote computer

[Ori Idan]

I have two computers on internal network (both of them Debian unstable) 
I would like to login to a remote computer using gdm.


I have enabled remote login in gdm settings of the remote computer and I 
set using xhost that the other computer can access the computer.


However I still can not start gdm or any other X program from the remote 
computer. I allways get an error: cannot open display.


I tried setting the DISPLAY variable to my ip:0.0 and still get the same 
error.



What am I doing wrong?


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Re: starting an X application from remote computer

[Ori Idan]

I have gdm running on the remote machine.
I tried logging in to a different user, not the current loged in user.
I also tried simple ssh -X and tried to start a simple program like gedit.
I got a "cannot open display" error (I made sure the DISPLAY variable is 
set to my IP).


I don't have firewall on both machines as they are on an internal 
network not connected to the outside world.


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Oded Arbel wrote:

On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 14:13 +0200, Ori Idan wrote:
  
I have two computers on internal network (both of them Debian unstable) 
I would like to login to a remote computer using gdm.


I have enabled remote login in gdm settings of the remote computer and I 
set using xhost that the other computer can access the computer.



I think you've got some things confused - in order to remote login to a
computer using gdm, you need to log in using XDMCP - you start an XDMCP
connection from your local X server to your remote login manager (gdm on
the remote computer) and ask it to run your session. xhost is used only
to control how remote X clients access your current local session, which
you only have after you login locally.

  
However I still can not start gdm or any other X program from the remote 
computer. I allways get an error: cannot open display.



>From your description above, I assume you have a local X login, and use
SSH from a local X terminal to connect to your remote computer and try
to run gdm there ? As I said - this is not how you do remote login.

What you need to do, is to login directly to the remote computer, with
out logging in locally first. You local DM should have an option for
"remote login" - possibly under an "actions" menu. try that.

Otherwise, run X -help and look for the -query, -broadcast and -indirect
options.

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Re: FW: primary address of devices

[Ori Idan]

1. When issuing an ibfind (or ibdev) command, no hardware access is done so
no error will be returned. however if you write or read to/from the device,
the results are unpredictable.
2. IEEE4888.2 provides a way to enumerate the devices, I do not recall how
it is done. However not all devices support it.
3. The name is not related to the device itself so you can call it any name
you want.
4. Your other mail contained a question about select and gpib library, I
think you can use select like you use on any other file or socket, however I
have never tried it myself.
In GPIB usually you do not need asynchronous transfer since devices never
talk on their own will but allways as a result of the master issuing a query
command.

Disclaimer: All the above is written from my knowledge of GPIB (I have used
GPIB for more then 10 years) not with knowledge about this specific library.

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On 12/24/06, Rafi Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Hi list, I hope the following is not too offtopic and if it is, feel free
to answer privately.
Does anybody happen to know or work with linux-gpib driver? you may find
details on http://linux-gpib.sourceforge.net.
Ive sent the following 2 messages to the linux-gpib-general mailing list,
but nobody answered me up to now.
I hope somebody on this list may help me.
I forward this message and another one, relating to 2 different subjects.
Thanks, Rafi.

-Original Message-
*From:* Rafi Cohen [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
*Sent:* Monday, December 18, 2006 1:08 PM
*To:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sourceforge. Net
*Subject:* primary address of devices

Hi, sorry in advance if some of my questions are too basic and even not
logic.
My application needs to support connecting up to 30 devices (actually gsm
simulators) to the gpib board in the computer.
All those devices have the same primary address (pad) of 14 and no
secondary addrss.
They have a way to modify in advance their pad. However:
1. If I did not modify the pad of those devices and left all of them with
14, what would happen if I issue an ibdev() in my application?
will it return an error or there will be an attempt to open one of the
devices?
The second option would be excelent as immediately after openning any
device with this pad, I could issue an ibpad() to change it's pad to any
other address except 14, but logically I believe the first option will
happen.
2. Is there a way for the application to obtain the pad of any device
connected to the gpib board _before_ openning this device thru ibdev() or
ibfind()?
Is there any function that does this or should I manually input this pad
either to the application or to the gpib.conf file?
3. If I want to open a device using ibfind() thru it's name as entered in
the gpib.conf file,
am I free to give whatever name to each device or is there a limitation
for this name to match something related to the device?
I hope my questions are clear, thanks, Rafi.

Re: Keyboard shortcuts with Hebrew letters

[Ori Idan]

This seems to me an X issue, however it is strange that on my system I can
not reproduce this bug.
I use debian unstable with x.org, with gnome 2.14.2 the bug does not appear
nither in firefox nor openoffice.

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On 12/26/06, Diego Iastrubni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Unfortunately the only thing I can do is nag Trolltech until they the
problems. Since I am develop apps using Qt4 (and I did have KDE4 until a
few
weeks ago), I can catch those bugs in Qt4/KDE4 before they reach
mainstream.
If you ask about KDE3/Qt3 - it's lost, they are not really maintaining
this
platform.

The Ctrl+C, Ctrl+V is a known bug in Firefox (I assume someone will post
the
bug number here soon). I did not know it's available on OOo as well, I
think
it should be mentioned and then reported to them, otherwise they will not
know about it, and they will not fix it.

This is the sad thing about "linux": several toolkits, on each one you
need to
solve the same problems. I would not have it other way :)

BTW,
I like post posting, but sanity and I are not good friends, so this might
not
be the norm on this list.

ביום שלישי 26 דצמבר 2006, 17:15, נכתב על ידי Dotan Cohen:
> On 26/12/06, Diego Iastrubni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > The ctrl+c, ctrl+v problems  are available in firefox, and this is a
> > known bug. This is said that KDE does not have those problems, but I
am
> > pretty sure it's available on KDE as well.
> >
> > I will do my best in the next months to try and remove those problems
> > from Qt4, and with some luck this will be OK for Qt4/KDE4. GTK users
are
> > doomed :)
>
> Thanks, Diego. I'm not sure that I understand what you are saying. Do
> you mean that you maintain the l18n of qt4, and that this issue will
> be resolved in KDE 4? If so then I will wait happily.
>
> And I cannot understand what you mean regarding Firefox. I don't see
> such a bug in Firefox bugzilla, and as I don't think that it's a Fx
> issue I would not file one.
>
> Also, is top-posting the norm here? Just need to know. Thank you very
much.
>
> Dotan Cohen
> http://lyricslist.com/

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Re: Debian upgrade to 2.6 and mouse problem

[Ori Idan]

Make sure you have the modules mousedev and psmouse loaded.
I had similar problems that X could not find /dev/mouse etc. and the answer
was loading these drivers.

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On 12/28/06, Chava Leviatan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 Hi,

I have installed Debian 3.1 and everything worked fine until I have
decided to upgrade it to 2.6.
The upgrade process was done through Debian kernel package (2.6.8).

After I rebooted the machine , the mouse did not work (not detected ).
It's a PS/2 mouse connected through a KVM . I have also tried to powerdown
all the machines that on that KVM , but
no success.

I do understand that this is a common problem with 2.6 upgrades, however
all the tips that I could find did not work
(like reconfigure xserevr-freex86, psmouse_noext etc')

Any suggestions?


Thanks,
Chava

Re: OpenOffice Hebrew encoding

[Ori Idan]

Check font translation, make sure that David is translated to David CLM.
Also, install msttcorefonts.

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On 12/29/06, Micha Feigin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


possibly the locale settings? Try in a console to see if what $LANG is set
to
(in bash echo $LANG)

> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Shlomo Solomon
> Sent: Friday, December 29, 2006 11:05 AM
> To: linux-il@linux.org.il
> Subject: OpenOffice Hebrew encoding
>
> This is probably trivial, but I haven't been able to find it.
>
> On a new install of OpenOffice on Mandriva 2007, I can see
> Hebrew only when using CLM fonts. Any other font is displayed
> as BOXES. For example David CLM works but David doesn't. Same
> for Arial, Miriam or any other font I've tried.
> I never had this problem before, and in fact on my other
> Linux boxes evertyhing works fine.
>
> I can't seem to find what I did wrong this time, or what I
> configured differently on this box.
>
> --
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Re: laptop

[Ori Idan]

I have good experience with IBM and DELL.
I have had success connecting both of them with Wifi.
Most of them come with Intel WP2100 or WP2200 which have a free driver but
non-free firmware.
You compile the driver, download the firmware (free as in free beer) to
/usr/lib/firmware/hotplug
then when you modprobe the driver it will automaticly loads the firmware.

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On 12/29/06, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Maxim Veksler wrote:

> I OTOH, have good experience with:
> - IBM (note: Not the new lenovo junk!)
> - DELL
> - and LG.
>
> Most of the IBM, DELL laptops I came across were friendly to Linux 2.6.x
.
> LG T1 (the one I'm using now) needs some additional .ko to get 2.6.18
> work with its Agere ET-131x NIC, other then that it seems to be
> L-friendly as well.)
>
> The only brand I have bad experience is HP, because of their service
> and warranty terms here in IL, and also because of the quality of the
> product (*this by the way does not come to contradict the excellent
> server hardware HP manufacture).

Did you get the WiFi connections going on these laptops ? Modem ?

Peter

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Re: Package dependencies while creating RPMs

[Ori Idan]

On 12/29/06, Peter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



On Fri, 29 Dec 2006, Oded Arbel wrote:

> On Fri, 2006-12-29 at 15:01 +0200, Peter wrote:
>> Where can I find a list of virtual capability names ?
>
> There is no "approved list". If you want to build against something that
> someone else build, check what it provides. If you want to make your own
> set, just invent something meaningful.

Oh, cool. Can I name the capabilities I provide in Swahili ?



I guess you can, but then only packages written in Swahili will be able to
use your package :-)

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Re: Telux: Ori Idan on Running Linux on an ARM 7 Board on 21-January-2007

[Ori Idan]

More details on the lecture (in hebrew), can be found here:
http://www.oriidan.info/?action=update&id=arm7linux

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On 1/12/07, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


The Tel Aviv Linux Club ( http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ ) will gather
again
to hear Ori Idan talk about Running Linux on an ARM 7 board. This is a
sequel
of his presentation on Bringing up Linux on a PPC board, and he believes
it
may be even more interesting.

It will take place on Sunday, 21-January-2007 at 18:30, in Shenkar 222
(Physics and Astronomy building) in Tel Aviv University. More information
can
be found on the site:

http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/

The attendance is free and everyone are welcome to attend.

Regards,

Shlomi Fish

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Re: Telux: Ori Idan on Running Linux on an ARM 7 Board on 21-January-2007

[Ori Idan]

The correct link is: http://www.oriidan.info/?id=arm7linux

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On 1/12/07, Ori Idan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


More details on the lecture (in hebrew), can be found here:
http://www.oriidan.info/?action=update&id=arm7linux

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On 1/12/07, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The Tel Aviv Linux Club ( http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/ ) will gather
> again
> to hear Ori Idan talk about Running Linux on an ARM 7 board. This is a
> sequel
> of his presentation on Bringing up Linux on a PPC board, and he believes
> it
> may be even more interesting.
>
> It will take place on Sunday, 21-January-2007 at 18:30, in Shenkar 222
> (Physics and Astronomy building) in Tel Aviv University. More
> information can
> be found on the site:
>
> http://www.cs.tau.ac.il/telux/
>
> The attendance is free and everyone are welcome to attend.
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
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Re: Can this be possible (or BIOS api)

[Ori Idan]

Remember that the CMOS also holds the time so doing such an operation will
reset the time.

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On 1/22/07, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Dan Shimshoni wrote:
> Is there an API which enable me to perform such a task ?
> Did anybody tried a thing like that ? and in case it is possible -
> how much complex is it ?
How about this (never tried it myself):
Make sure /dev/cmos exists, and that the relevant kernel module is
available.
Set your bios to boot from CD
copy /dev/cmos to a file
Set your bios to not boot from CS
copy /dev/cmos to another file

Copy the relevant file to /dev/cmos.

Warning:
If, as a result of following this procedure, you lose all of your bios
settings, your machine becomes unbootable, your power supply catches
fire and your wife leaves you, preferring your cat, do not hold me liable.

Shachar

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Re: possible to dial into netvision from linux?

[Ori Idan]

Yes, but most AT compliant PCI modems today are software only.

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On 2/6/07, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 06/02/07, Diego Iastrubni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> ביום שני 05 פברואר 2007, 22:50, נכתב על ידי Oded Arbel:
> > > Can this be done from Linux?
> >
> > http://cables2.netvision.net.il/linux/
> He is using dialup.
>
> goto http://linmodems.org and google for more information. Also
> subscribe to
> their list and ask for more help. This is one of the darker places in
> the FOS
> world - linmodems.


Isn't this only relevant for those ancient "winmodem" which were
software-only built-in modems in laptops?
(and even then, many of them worked with Linux thanks to sites like the
one above).
If he buys a desktop then he can get a simple AT-compliant PCI modem,
shouldn't he?

--Amos

[OT] ADSL connection outage

[Ori Idan]

In the last 4 days, my Internet connection is off for few hours each day due
to Bezeq prbolems in my area (Herzelia)
Does someone have any idea what causes these problems?

Also what is your experience with cables today? I am thinking about changing
to cable connection since it seems that ADSL connection here is far from
reliable.

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Re: MySQL License

[Ori Idan]

One thing we need to remember GPL CAN BE COMMERCIAL!
People are confusing between commercial and propriatry.

In MySQL if your software is GPL you do not need to pay. (remember you may
sell GPL so GPL is also commercial).
If your software is under another FLOSS license you can still use MySQL
without paying.

If your software is PROPRIATRY (I repeat, it has nothing to do with
commercial or not) you should pay to MySQL.

The MySQL license look to me pretty simple, although I am not a lawyer.

Disclaimer: Do not use this as a legal advise...

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On 2/26/07, Alex Dover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> > A dual license means you can choose which license you want to use the
> > product under. If you choose GPL, it's GPL all the way, you can
> > redistribute it with source in any way you want along with any product
> > you want, propriatery or open. dynamicly linking with GPL libraries is
> > also fine, only static linking isn't.
>
If you read the MySQL licensing carefully, you'll see that the dual
licensing of MySQL is not valid if you distribute it with commercial
applications, even if you don't touch the original code.Look at this page:

http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/index.html
Commercial distributions are not allowed to use the GPL licensing for
MySQL as far as I can tell.

Re: MySQL License

[Ori Idan]

No, this is a reason to write Free Software :-)

You should use the product which is best for your application.
Since I am not an expert in Databases, I prefer not to comment about using
either of these products.

I do think that using open source is better for both the customer and the
vendor, but this is a whole different issue, that I would not like to enter
now. (I have work to do, Writing commercial free software of course...)

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On 2/26/07, Alex Dover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


This is exactly the point I was making - you can't just use GPL in MySQL
case - there're additional restrictions (use in proprietary product).
Which makes it unusable for most proprietary commercial use and that's a
reason to use PostgreSQL instead,which doesn't have such restrictions due to
its' BSD license.

-Alex

Re: MySQL License

[Ori Idan]

On 2/26/07, Oron Peled <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Monday, 26 בFebruary 2007 08:52, Alex Dover wrote:
> If you read the MySQL licensing carefully, you'll see that the dual
> licensing of MySQL is not valid if you distribute it with commercial
> applications, even if you don't touch the original code.Look at this
page:
> http://www.mysql.com/company/legal/licensing/index.html
> Commercial distributions are not allowed to use the GPL licensing for
MySQL
> as far as I can tell.

Why don't you read the *whole* sentence you pointed to:
  "For OEMs, ISVs, and VARs who distribute MySQL with their products, and
   do not license and distribute their source code under the GPL, MySQL
   provides a flexible OEM Commercial License."

OK, I'll put it in bold so you can see it:
  "...AND DO NOT LICENSE AND DISTRIBUTE THEIR SOURCE CODE UNDER THE
GPL..."

So this applies only to those who *do not* distribute according to GPL.

GPL and any free software and open source license *allows* for any
use (including commercial use). If in doubt read the free software
definition and the open source definition respectively.

Now for the 1000'th time: proprietary != commercial.



Not exactly,  I think proprietary == commercial;
and GPL != !commercial.

proprietary software is commercial and GPL can be also commercial.


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Re: MySQL License

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On 2/26/07, Alex Dover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



> Why don't you read the *whole* sentence you pointed to:
>   "For OEMs, ISVs, and VARs who distribute MySQL with their products,
> and
>do not license and distribute their source code under the GPL, MySQL
>provides a flexible OEM Commercial License."
>
> OK, I'll put it in bold so you can see it:
>   "...AND DO NOT LICENSE AND DISTRIBUTE THEIR SOURCE CODE UNDER THE
> GPL..."
>
> So this applies only to those who *do not* distribute according to GPL.
>
> GPL and any free software and open source license *allows* for any
> use (including commercial use). If in doubt read the free software
> definition and the open source definition respectively.
>
> Now for the 1000'th time: proprietary != commercial.


I'm not arguing about use of GPL or any other FOSS license. All I said was
- MySQL restricts who can use their product under GPL license (unlike most
other GPL software).



No, they do not restrict anything if your license is GPL (or even other
FLOSS license) they do restrict, if your license is Non free!

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Re: ies4linux (was Re: Firefox and Isracard)

[Ori Idan]

The plus means a line added.
You should not put the plus sign at the beginning of the line in your
script.

What he did was running diff on his new file versus the original file and
that was the output.

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On 2/26/07, Julian Daich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


El lun, 26-02-2007 a las 11:49 +0200, Gilboa Davara escribió:
> Just set the LANG to he_IL.UTF-8.
>
> Apply this patch to that $HOME/bin/ie6 shell script. [1]

Hi,
I´m trying to implement your patch modifying my $HOME/bin/ie6 with my
limited knowledge in programing and scripting. I´m receiving errors from
every line preceded by the symbol + by running $HOME/bin/ie6 and I still
see ? symbols instead Hebrew characters.
See also my comments at the bottom.
> ===
> --- ie6.old 2007-02-26 11:46:11.0 +0200
> +++ ie6 2007-02-26 11:46:21.0 +0200
> @@ -1,11 +1,11 @@
>  #!/usr/bin/env bash
>  # IEs 4 Linux script to run ie6 - http://tatanka.com.br/ies4linux
> -
> -cd
> +cd ~
> +ENCODING=he_IL.UTF-8
>  export WINEPREFIX="/home/gilboa/.ies4linux/ie6"
>  if [ -f "/home/gilboa/.ies4linux/ie6/.firstrun" ]; then
> rm "/home/gilboa/.ies4linux/ie6/.firstrun"
> -   wine "/home/gilboa/.ies4linux/ie6/drive_c/Program Files/Internet
> Explorer/IEXPLORE.EXE" "http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ok-en.html";
> +   LANG=$ENCODING wine "/home/gilboa/.ies4linux/ie6/drive_c/Program
> Files/Internet Explorer/IEXPLORE.EXE"
> "http://www.tatanka.com.br/ies4linux/ok-en.html";
>  else
> -   wine "/home/gilboa/.ies4linux/ie6/drive_c/Program Files/Internet
> Explorer/IEXPLORE.EXE" "$@"
> +   LANG=$ENCODING wine "/home/gilboa/.ies4linux/ie6/drive_c/Program
> Files/Internet Explorer/IEXPLORE.EXE" "$@"
>  fi
> ===
>
> - Gilboa
> [1]
> $ cd ~/bin
> $ patch -p < /path/to/patch
What means? It is not $HOME/bin/ie6?

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Julian
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Re: the great jerusalem firewall

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The problem is not porn or not.
The problem is letting other people decide what you can see and what you
can't see.
The government should not decide for me what I can see or not.

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On 3/3/07, Yonah Russ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 3/3/07, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Yonah Russ wrote:
> > I don't think so at all- I just think that the laws in a democracy are
> > usually reasonably in line with the majority of the constituents.
> While "Majority rules" is a very important basis of democracy, it is
> very far from being the only one. Two others that come to mind are
> "Minority rights and legitimacy" (i.e. - it's ok to be a minority, you
> should not be harassed merely for not being part of the majority) and
> "Pluralism of thought". Without these later two, no country is a
> democracy. Add to this the generally good idea of "avoid doing by law
> what can be achieved using self regulation", and you have all the
> markings of a bad law.


This law isn't stopping anyone who already legally has the right to look
at porn from looking at porn. It just requires them to prove that they have
the right. I don't see requiring to identify yourself before watching porn
as any different from requiring a license for driving.
This isn't about censoring the internet. This is about censoring the
internet from children. I don't know any child that can't live without a
slightly smaller internet.

> The laws are made by people chosen to make laws. The citizens in this
> > country chose those people to make those decisions.
> Which makes the parliament directly responsible for the citizens to make
> reasonable laws. What's the point?

> I don't think almost any government is perfect- just hopefully a
> > lesser evil.
> But, in this case, an evil non the less.
> > -Yonah
> Let me flip the question for you. Please explain why is this proposed
> law better than, say, the ISPs offering a "Kosher Internet" service at a
> modest price to those parents interested in such a service?


As I've said in other parts of this thread I think this law has a major
advantage in that it will block access from anywhere- People can attempt to
protect their home networks only to fail at the local internet cafe or
though the neightbor's wireless connection, or on a  cellphone. This law
ensures (hopefully) that every access to adult content will be made by
adults. If a parent really want's they're kids looking at porn sites,
they'll give them their password.
-Yonah

Shachar
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[Job offer] Linux programmer for storage systems

[Ori Idan]

One of my client needs a Linux programmer with experience in Storage
systems.
Programming will be done in C/C++.

Please send CV to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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Re: Can a PHP script run in the background?

[Ori Idan]

I think the best way is not to send by PHP at all but to set up a mailing
list such as Majordomo or mailman and then use PHP to send to one address,
the list address.

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On 3/7/07, Uri Even-Chen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi people,

I wrote a PHP program that sends E-mail to 121 E-mail addresses at
once [http://www.speedy.net/knesset/].  The problem is, it takes many
seconds until the program completes sending all the E-mails.  I want
to give the user an instant feedback, and send E-mails later (after
the HTML output is complete).  How do I do it?  Can I postpone the
mail sending function?  My program calls sendmail 121 times, and I
think that's the only slow part of the program.  The rest is quite
fast.  Can I call sendmail in such a way that PHP will regain control
right away?  Or alternatively, can I run another PHP script in the
background?

Below is my mail sending script.

Uri.


 0)
  {
 $tmp_random= rand(0, $tmp_count - 1);

 // Open Mail Command.
 $tmp_mail_command= '/usr/sbin/sendmail -f ' . $tmp_email . '
' . $tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random] . ' > /dev/null 2>&1';

 $tmp_mail_file_pointer= popen($tmp_mail_command, "w");
 if ($tmp_mail_file_pointer)
 {
// Print mail header.
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, "From: " . '=?UTF-8?B?' .
base64_encode($tmp_name) . '?=' . ' ' . '<' . $tmp_email . '>' .
"\n");
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, "To: " .
$tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random] . "\n");
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, "Subject: " . '=?UTF-8?B?' .
base64_encode($tmp_subject) . '?=' . "\n");
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, "MIME-Version: 1.0\n");
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, "Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8\n");
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, "\n");

// Print mail body.
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, $tmp_content . "\n");
fputs($tmp_mail_file_pointer, "\n");

// Close file.
pclose($tmp_mail_file_pointer);
 }

 echo ($tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random] . '' . "\n");
 $tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_random]=
$tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_count - 1];
 unset($tmp_addresses_clone[$tmp_count - 1]);

 // Flush the output buffer.
 ob_flush(); flush();

 $tmp_count= count($tmp_addresses_clone);
  }
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spam and mail forwarding

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Hello list,
I assume some people here have more experience then me with sendmail...

I have a Linux server running sendmail.
The server itself does not store mail for users, it only forwards mail  to
their addresses.
It is done by adding their name in /etc/mail/virtusertable

Is there a simple way to run spam filters before forwarding the mail?

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Re: linux-il moderation and spam filtering

[Ori Idan]

decisions made by the big bad non-existing IGLU CABAL.


Linux_il is the only place in the world where non existing entity can make
decisions :-)

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On 3/25/07, Aviram Jenik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Here's an idea: why don't you, Peter, volunteer to be a moderator on this
list? This will allow you to approve your own messages that are
incorrectly
flagged as spam, and also monitor all the censoring decisions made by the
big
bad non-existing IGLU CABAL. Not to mention take some load off the current
moderator(s).

List managers - is it feasible to add another moderator?

- Aviram

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Re: which MOD should I use?

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A better way might be an small index.php that contains one line
header('Location: http://newsite');
where newsite is the new address.

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On 4/4/07, Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Great trick, thanks a lot!

Happy Passover,
Hetz

On 4/4/07, Ilya Konstantinov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> RedirectMatch /forum.* http://site/forum_moved.html
>
> and forum_moved.html could contain the message + 5 seconds redirection:
> http://server/forum";>
>
>
> On 4/4/07, Hetz Ben Hamo < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> >
> > Few months ago, I hosted a forum on a dedicated server.
> > Things have changed, I'm not hosting the forum but the domain is still
> mine.
> >
> > I'm getting a gazillion entries in my apache logs that people come to
> > this forum, even if it's not there...
> >
> > So, I was thinking to use mod_rewrite, so any user who tries to access
> > http://a.b.c/forum/something.php (or any URL with the
> "forum" word)
> > would be redirected to a page which will state "page is not here" and
> > we be redirected to the correct URL.
> >
> > Is there a simple mod for this? mod_rewrite seems like overblown for
> > this. Any suggestions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Hetz
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Re: FOSS accounting software

[Ori Idan]

Hello
I am currently working on such a software.

http://drorit.sf.net

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On 4/6/07, Shimon Panfil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hi folks,
do somebody know FOSS accounting software recognized in Israel?
(or software that produces results close to recognized one)
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Re: FOSS accounting software

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On 4/6/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 11:35:32AM +0300, Shimon Panfil wrote:
> Hi folks,
> do somebody know FOSS accounting software recognized in Israel?
> (or software that produces results close to recognized one)
> TIA Shimon

No, and IMHO there never will be. The cost of certification is too high
for a FOSS project. You might be able to get the Chief Scientist's
Office to fund it, but no company or private group will do it.



Who said a FOSS project should be free of charge?

It's an ongoing process. Tax laws change often and the program needs

to be changed and re-certified.



No tax laws do change but the basic accounting rules are valid from about
200 years ago.

On the other hand, there is a misunderstanding about accounting software.

You can run your business without a certified bookkeeper or a certified
accounting software, you can even do it yourself on file cards.



No, You can't, you have to do final report each years to the tax authorities
and that must either be done by a certified accountant or by a certified
software.

A free accounting software already exists: http://drorit.sf.net.
However it is not free as in free beer, there are costs...

I am currently working on getting tax authorities certification.


However the information you collect can not be used for filing tax returns.

It must be entered into a certified program by a certified bookkeeper or
accountant. Small businesses can provide the data to their accountant and
they will enter the data into a program and produce the reports you need.

The disadvantage is cost. If you can buy a computer and an approved
program,
and hire a certified bookkeeper for X NIS, then your accountant will
charge you
two to three times X for the same function. If you only need a person for
1/2 or 1/4 time or less, then it's cheaper to pay your accountant.

It also provides an extra layer of accountability, so companies that want
to do "creative accounting" avoid having an outside accountant look
at their books.

Discuss it with your accountant. They probably use Excel, so any FOSS
program
that can output in CSV (comma separated variable) files would do.

Geoff.

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Re: FOSS accounting software

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On 4/6/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Fri, Apr 06, 2007 at 11:52:24AM +0300, Ori Idan wrote:

> I am currently working on such a software.

I have a philosophical question. With open source software how do you
make sure that the copy you are running was not modified to send
your accounting data to some "data collection" site?



I am not making sure the copies are unmodified, otherwise it is not  free
software.
I will give warranty only for an original copy.

If you compile your own copy of the program, which is the usual way

of preventing such "hacks", it would not be the program that
was tested and IMHO there would be no way to prove it without testing
it again.



You are right, that is why I will give warranty only for an unmodified copy.


How would the tax agency ascertain that the program that produced a

report was in fact the certified version of the program and not a
version modified in any way?



They actually don't care, when they see the report is according to the laws
they do not check the software you used.
If there is any reason to check they will start asking questions also about
the software.

Using computer programs to steal money or hide income from the tax

authorities is not a new or uniquely Israeli concept.

AFAIK there have only been three programs approved.



Approved for what?
If you are talking about accounting software in Israel, there are more then
10 I know of that where approved.
However those are for DOS or Windows only.

Geoff.

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Hacked server

[Ori Idan]

A server I managed was hacked by a libian hacker.
The only thing he did was changing the index.html of some web sites.

The server is based on fedora core 2
running:
httpd
sendmail
bind
proftp (through xinetd)
ssh

Any ideas how he could have done it?
What should I do to prevent such hackes in the future?

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File system on SRAM

[Ori Idan]

I have an embedded system with SRAM (sperated from main DRAM memory) This
SRAM is several Kbytes in size and is battery backed up. I would like to put
on it a file system with minimal overhead.
What file system would you advise using and also how do I set the file
system so it will reside on the SRAM?
I understand I can not use standard RAM disk as RAM disk resides in Linux
buffers space and thus I can not define the base address it uses.

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Re: File system on SRAM

[Ori Idan]

I would like to avoid writing a block device. Isn't there something already
made like this?

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On 5/7/07, Gilad Ben-Yossef <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ori Idan wrote:
> I have an embedded system with SRAM (sperated from main DRAM memory)
> This SRAM is several Kbytes in size and is battery backed up. I would
> like to put on it a file system with minimal overhead.
> What file system would you advise using and also how do I set the file
> system so it will reside on the SRAM?
> I understand I can not use standard RAM disk as RAM disk resides in
> Linux buffers space and thus I can not define the base address it uses.
>

Write a block device driver to expose the SDRAM as a block device and
use any file system you'd like, although romfs sounds like a good choice.

Gilad

Sound on IBM X31

[Ori Idan]

I recently upgraded my kernel to 2.6.18 (Debian package)
After upgrading, sound does not work.

lspci shows sound modules loaded (oss modules)

However gnome volume control says GStreamer plugin not found.

Does anyone have any idea?

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Re: Sound on IBM X31

[Ori Idan]

How do I switch to ALSA on this machine?

I have aumix installed. when trying to run it, I get error opening mixer.

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On 5/14/07, Vassilii Khachaturov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


FWIW, I had my share of bad luck with OSS modules on IBM machines,
specifically, those with the ICH5 AC97 and derivative on-board
sound chips. Especially, with some games the sound wouldn't work
because of unsupported 8-bit sound, IIRC. The solution was to
switch to ALSA --- everything works like a charm there.

Vassilii

Re: GPL Issue

[Ori Idan]

The whole purpose of the GPL is to keep software freedom.
I hate all those who try to bypass the GPL and find a way to write
propriatry software and bypass the GPL.
I usually avoid working with such companies.

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On 5/18/07, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Hello,

We have just noticed that one of the programs in our proprietary arsenal
uses GPL code (libipq, the netfilter interface library) even though the
contractor who wrote it was instructed to re-code the application to avoid
using GPL code.

We are now trying to figure out a way to remove the code which uses
libipq.

The options we are thinking about:

1. Clean-room implementation - one programmer reads the code and describes
it in a document which is then passed to another programmer to implement.
Possibly the best solution but we suspect it'll take most effort too.

2. Wrap the libipq calls with a separate GPL program which will talk to
the proprietary code over pipes. It will slow things down and seems to take
the least effort, but most importantly we are not sure whether this is
allowed by the GPL.

3. Try to understand the netfilter kernel interface that libipq talks to
and write our own cut-down interface functions which do just what we need
and nothing more. For this I wonder whether it would be OK to learn the
interface by looking at the libipq code (I suspect not). It looks like
reading the kernel side of the API IS allowed under the Linux license (and
besides, our code doesn't "link" with the kernel).

Releasing the program which links with libipq will be cost us a major
market advantage, so it's a very unattractive option.

So what would you do in our place?

Thanks,

--Amos

Re: GPL Issue

[Ori Idan]

The solution should have been to release the software under GPL, that is the
whole purpose of the GPL.
I hate those who try finding solutions to keep software not free.

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On 5/18/07, Amos Shapira <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 18/05/07, Ori Idan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The whole purpose of the GPL is to keep software freedom.
> I hate all those who try to bypass the GPL and find a way to write
> propriatry software and bypass the GPL.
> I usually avoid working with such companies.


I completely understand your opinion and felt very uncomfortable having to
ask such a question. But alas - it was thrust on me as "something we just
discovered and you have to re-implement a replacement for this GPL code
which taints the software we sold to our first customer".

See - the company discovered long time ago that the programmer who wrote
this used code which turned out to be GPL. (libraries are usually under LGPL
so that programmer fell into this trap). They asked the programmer to find a
workaround before his contract ends but he never bothered to do so and now
they found that this library still taints their code.

--Amos

Re: GPL Issue

[Ori Idan]

I did not say anything against Amos. I think he is doing the right thing.
What I say is that I don't like the whole idea of propriatry software and
that people try to find ways they can use GPL with propriatry software.
I think the whole purpose of the GPL is to eliminate propriatry software and
that is what we all should aim to.

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On 5/18/07, Oleg Goldshmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


"Ori Idan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:

> The whole purpose of the GPL is to keep software freedom.  I hate
> all those who try to bypass the GPL and find a way to write
> propriatry software and bypass the GPL.

> I usually avoid working with such companies.

Ori,

This is your prerogative. I would like to point out that Amos is
clearly not trying to bypass GPL and is in fact acting responsibly
trying to resolve the issue as soon as it was discovered. They are
trying to maintain what they perceive as commercial advantage by
perfectly legal means, as far as I can judge.

If you are a current client of his company, and if you got their
proprietary software that links to libipq, I suppose you can demand
that they release their code to you under a GPL-compatible license
(Shlomi is right), sue for it, etc. If you are a shareholder, then you
may have an issue with the company not exercising due diligence and
catching the problem earlier.

Amos,

I personally appreciate that you (and I hope the decision-makers in
your company) are feeling uncomfortable. I don't think you should feel
like criminals because you want to keep your code legally
proprietary. I think you have asked the right question and that should
not make you feel uncomfortable. You real problem is lack of due
diligence in the past. (Well, if a customer sues you to release the
code then it will be a real problem, too.)

I think you need to a) fix the problem as quickly as possible, and b)
apply due diligence in the future.

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Re: GPL Issue

[Ori Idan]

Do you think that GPL code means no money?

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On 5/19/07, Oren Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 I wonder how many software programmers in Israel provide their children
from GPL code revenues.

Ori Idan wrote:

I did not say anything against Amos. I think he is doing the right thing.
What I say is that I don't like the whole idea of propriatry software and
that people try to find ways they can use GPL with propriatry software.
I think the whole purpose of the GPL is to eliminate propriatry software
and that is what we all should aim to.

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On 5/18/07, Oleg Goldshmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> "Ori Idan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
>
> > The whole purpose of the GPL is to keep software freedom.  I hate
> > all those who try to bypass the GPL and find a way to write
> > propriatry software and bypass the GPL.
>
> > I usually avoid working with such companies.
>
> Ori,
>
> This is your prerogative. I would like to point out that Amos is
> clearly not trying to bypass GPL and is in fact acting responsibly
> trying to resolve the issue as soon as it was discovered. They are
> trying to maintain what they perceive as commercial advantage by
> perfectly legal means, as far as I can judge.
>
> If you are a current client of his company, and if you got their
> proprietary software that links to libipq, I suppose you can demand
> that they release their code to you under a GPL-compatible license
> (Shlomi is right), sue for it, etc. If you are a shareholder, then you
> may have an issue with the company not exercising due diligence and
> catching the problem earlier.
>
> Amos,
>
> I personally appreciate that you (and I hope the decision-makers in
> your company) are feeling uncomfortable. I don't think you should feel
> like criminals because you want to keep your code legally
> proprietary. I think you have asked the right question and that should
> not make you feel uncomfortable. You real problem is lack of due
> diligence in the past. (Well, if a customer sues you to release the
> code then it will be a real problem, too.)
>
> I think you need to a) fix the problem as quickly as possible, and b)
> apply due diligence in the future.
>
> --
> Oleg Goldshmidt | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://www.goldshmidt.org
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Re: GPL Issue

[Ori Idan]

I believe many people salary is based on GPL
I myself mostly consult but sometimes really writing code.
All my work is free software related.

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On 5/19/07, Oren Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


 No. I just wonder who's salary is actually based on his GPL code work.

I don't argue the GNU ideology now, I just believe that PRACTICALLY there
are no "software houses" (or individual programmers) in Israel which produce
GPL software as their main business, and which survive and succeed for more
than 5 years.

This reason or another, I'm just saying that it doesn't work *here* as a
salary-source. In Europe & USA there are few cool GPL-code-based companies
like TrollTech, MySQL.  (I don't refer to RH & SuSE as GPL-code-writers as
main business)

An Israeli example for a GPL-related-software-company that I know is Zend
("The PHP Company").
Zend produces proprietary software such as various PHP-helper-tools - as
their main business.


 - Oren

Ori Idan wrote:

Do you think that GPL code means no money?

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On 5/19/07, Oren Held <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I wonder how many software programmers in Israel provide their children
> from GPL code revenues.
>
> Ori Idan wrote:
>
> I did not say anything against Amos. I think he is doing the right
> thing.
> What I say is that I don't like the whole idea of propriatry software
> and that people try to find ways they can use GPL with propriatry software.
> I think the whole purpose of the GPL is to eliminate propriatry software
> and that is what we all should aim to.
>
> --
> Ori Idan
>
>
> On 5/18/07, Oleg Goldshmidt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > "Ori Idan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
> >
> > > The whole purpose of the GPL is to keep software freedom.  I hate
> > > all those who try to bypass the GPL and find a way to write
> > > propriatry software and bypass the GPL.
> >
> > > I usually avoid working with such companies.
> >
> > Ori,
> >
> > This is your prerogative. I would like to point out that Amos is
> > clearly not trying to bypass GPL and is in fact acting responsibly
> > trying to resolve the issue as soon as it was discovered. They are
> > trying to maintain what they perceive as commercial advantage by
> > perfectly legal means, as far as I can judge.
> >
> > If you are a current client of his company, and if you got their
> > proprietary software that links to libipq, I suppose you can demand
> > that they release their code to you under a GPL-compatible license
> > (Shlomi is right), sue for it, etc. If you are a shareholder, then you
> > may have an issue with the company not exercising due diligence and
> > catching the problem earlier.
> >
> > Amos,
> >
> > I personally appreciate that you (and I hope the decision-makers in
> > your company) are feeling uncomfortable. I don't think you should feel
> > like criminals because you want to keep your code legally
> > proprietary. I think you have asked the right question and that should
> > not make you feel uncomfortable. You real problem is lack of due
> > diligence in the past. (Well, if a customer sues you to release the
> > code then it will be a real problem, too.)
> >
> > I think you need to a) fix the problem as quickly as possible, and b)
> > apply due diligence in the future.
> >
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Instally beryl on Debian unstable

[Ori Idan]

I tried installing beryl on debian unstable.
I then ran it using the command bery
I got the following:

Detected xserver: AIGLX

Checking Display :0.0 ...

Checking for XComposite extension   : failed

No composite extension
beryl: No composite extension

I have VT8387 VGA controller.
Running lspci gives the folllowing result:
01:00.0 VGA compatible controller: VIA Technologies, Inc. VT8378 [S3
UniChrome] Integrated Video (rev 01)

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Re: Instally beryl on Debian unstable

[Ori Idan]

Ok I did manage to enable it.
Now when I start beryl I get a white screen.
Trying the cube effent (holding control and alt and dragging the mouse)
shows me a white cube.
when I restart X (Ctrl-Alt backspace) I get gnome but without borders on
windows.
I tried to start window preferences from the system menu and got a message
that the window manager did not register a configuratoin manager.
I typed metacity at a terminal and got back my usual windows.

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On 5/20/07, Yehoshua (Shay) O'Hayon Suchar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Ori Idan wrote:

> Checking for XComposite extension   : failed
>
> No composite extension
> beryl: No composite extension


Did you enabled Composite on xorg.conf? if so, can you send a copy of
your xorg.conf file?

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Re: 301 Debian repository permenantly moved

[Ori Idan]

Why where you forced to do this redirection?

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On 6/8/07, Arieh Skliarouk <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hello,

I suggest to make up a independent domain name for the debian mirror
in Israel. The domain should be used to point directly and only to the
debian mirror, so there would be no problems to point it to some other
place (should the need arise).

If you can use "ftp.il.debian.org" - perfect. If not, create
debian.hamakor.org.il.

Then, create corresponding apache virtual server entry on
mirrors.isoc.org.il server and advertise the new domain name only.

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Re: Current status of Israeli ISPs

[Ori Idan]

I just wrote a post about it (hebrew post):
http://www.oriidan.info/article/custserv

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On 6/17/07, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sun, Jun 17, 2007 at 04:24:57PM +0300, Schneidman Danny wrote:
> As one of the former employees, the changes i speak about are since
> 1/6/07 ( two weeks ago )

I'm sorry to hear that. I hope you find a better job soon, if you haven't
already found one.

> >If there is no Linux support at Actcom anymore, then what must one do
> >to connect via a Jordanian ISP?
> Its an idea ...

AFAIK Orange and Bynet are still around. Not cheap, but still there.

Does BEZEQ (the phone company, not the ISP) still have their 10 NIS a
month
deal for support of a router on an aDSL line? That might be a better
option
such as a Linksys WRTG54-L and Tomato.

Geoff.

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Re: [SUMMARY] Current status of Israeli ISPs

[Ori Idan]

I guess that what bothers is the Linux support from the ISP.
It would be easier to take the guides we have today, update them and
redistribute it.
Or a better way, to establish a group of people that will get paid for
supporting people for connecting their computers to any ISP with Linux.

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On 7/8/07, Nadav Har'El <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On Sun, Jul 08, 2007, David Smith wrote about "Re: [SUMMARY] Current
status of Israeli ISPs":
> Since the only ISP with serious Linux support has now been chewed up by
> a larger fish, perhaps now is a time to consider an alternative
> possibility - a community ISP.
>
> One business model would be to function as a cooperative - the
> shareholders are all employees or customers or both. The open source
>...
> Can anybody estimate how big such an entity would need to be in order to
> be viable?

If by "ISP" you mean something like the big ISPs in Israel (Netvision,
012,
etc.), with hundreds of thousands of clients and hundreds of employees,
then
you'll need major investments and a lot management overhead, so this will
be
very hard (but not impossible) to pull off.

Instead of thinking big, why not think small?

If what bothers you is the home connection side of the ISP business, then
how about getting a few neighbors together, buying one connection, and
splitting it together (doing the technical work yourself, without favors
from the ISP)?

If what bothers you is the hosting side of the ISP business, why don't you
get together with several other people, buy one machine (or several
machines)
and host it in an existing ISP, and manage the machine together (again,
without needing help from the ISP)?

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Re: Walla in Firefox

[Ori Idan]

As much as I know IE4Linux actually installs wine so it is the same as
installing wine and installing MSIE on top of it.

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On 7/26/07, Dotan Cohen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


On 25/07/07, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You're lucky that you got so far. On my Mandriva Cooker system using
> wine-0.9.41-1mdv2008.0 , I cannot open a page using the location bar in
IE6
> (but I remember that I could in the past). It always displays "h"
instead,
> and tries to load it.
>
> Then when I got to open http://www.google.com/ using File -> Open, MSIE
just
> thinks for a bit and then crashes into wine.
>
> Perhaps I should report it, but where?
>

To IE4Linux. If you can, install IE on Wine without IE4Linux, and test
if it works as expected. If not, then you can file a bug on Wine as
well.

Dotan Cohen

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Video codecs under debian

[Ori Idan]

I have a debian machine with GNOME with w32codecs installed.
I am trying to view .WMV files and get errors that I don't have the right
codecs.
I tried also viewing several AVI files and got an error that DivX 5 is not
installed.

What packages should I install?

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bt in core dumps

[Ori Idan]

I am trying to get stack trace for a short program compiled with gcc.
The program terminates with a signal and generates a core dump.
When I am loading this core dump to gdb I get warning: Can't read pathname
for load map: Input/output error.
When I issue the bt command I get ?? for many of the functions in the stack
actually I get ?? for all functions in my program.
My program was compiled with -g

Does anyone have any idea?

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Re: bt in core dumps

[Ori Idan]

Yes, I ran tests on the same machine so the linked libraries where at the
same relative places.

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On 9/4/07, shimi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Ok, how about...
>
> Were the linked libraries stated in relative paths during
> compilation/linkage ? If so, are they relative the same way they were
> during
> compilation on the machine you're running the gdb on?
>
> -- Shimi
>
> On Tuesday 04 September 2007 21:04, Ori Idan wrote:
> > The program is compiled with -O0, I thought about it.
> > The reason for using core dumps is that I need to trace bugs that are
> not
> > easy to reproduce and can come up at beta sites and not at the lab.
>

Re: Israel approved Accounting software on Linux

[Ori Idan]

Drorit software will soon be approved (I hope) and it runs under Linux.
It is written in PHP and can actually be run on any operating system
supporting PHP.
I tested it only on Linux.

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On 9/5/07, Yuval Hager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Does anyone have any experience in running some accounting software (one
> that
> is approved by the authorities to print invoices) on a Linux?
> I guess that they all require Windows, so this would be under wine, but
> still - does anyone have it working?
>
> Thanks,
>
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>

Re: Israel approved Accounting software on Linux

[Ori Idan]

You are right.
SF serves now only as CVS for the project and needs to be updated.
As for marketing, I have a partner who is much better then me in marketing,
however not a marketer, he is a tax advisor and thus gives the professional
accounting side.
>From his opinion  (and I agree) we should not do anything regarding selling
the software until it is approved.
Do not fear, although we are going to sell it, it is GPL  and will stay GPL,
which means most of the money will be made from supporting and customizing
and not direct sale, since one can always download the software from the
public CVS.

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On 9/6/07, Hetz Ben Hamo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On 05/09/07, Ori Idan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Drorit software will soon be approved (I hope) and it runs under Linux.
> > It is written in PHP and can actually be run on any operating system
> supporting PHP.
> > I tested it only on Linux.
>
> Any chance that you're going to update the web page? I've looked at
> the SF web project page (the homepage), and it severely lacks lots of
> things like Screenshots, more detailed info about the features, does
> it support things like "Osek Patur" and seriously, if you're planning
> to make any business selling this software, I think IMHO that you
> should consult a professional marketer - you're doing all the steps to
> "not sell" your solution. I'm not trying to flame, I'm just giving an
> advice.
>
> Thanks,
> Hetz
> --
> Skepticism is the lazy person's default position.
> my blog (hebrew): http://benhamo.org
>

[Job offer]

[Ori Idan]

Hello all,
I was asked by Yael Talmor who for unknown reason could not subscribe to
this list to post the following job description:

*Top Developer
*Tersus (www.tersus.com) is an open source Visual Programming Platform for
creating rich web applications. Tersus simplifies web application
development by using a single visual language for defining user interface,
client side behavior and server side processing.

The Tersus Platform includes:

   - *Tersus Studio*, a development environment used by modelers
   (developers and business experts) to graphically define the functionality of
   applications. Tersus Studio is an extension of the Eclipse
platform
   ;
   - *Tersus Model Libraries*, containing building blocks for assembling
   applications;
   - *The Tersus Server*, which executes the modeled solutions and
   performs the required database updates (can run over a J2EE application
   server).

Tersus is looking for a very strong developer to join the core team
developing the Tersus platform (Tersus Studio and the Tersus Server).

The candidate should be able to cope with a complex product and ready to
invest the time required to learning the design and architecture of the
platform. Good Java knowledge and expertise with Eclipse would be
advantages.

Location: Herzliya, Israel.


*Application Developers
*Tersus (www.tersus.com) is an open source Visual Programming Platform for
creating rich web applications. Tersus simplifies web application
development by using a single visual language for defining user interface,
client side behavior and server side processing.

Tersus is looking for 2 application developers to join the Tersus team in
building new Tersus applications.

The candidates should be quick learners, able to work independently and
fluent in English. Previous experience in developing applications in any
environment would be an advantage.

Part-time job is also possible (for students).

Location: Herzliya, Israel.


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Re: Ubuntu discs for Jerusalem Linux Club Instaparty

[Ori Idan]

While I was on board Hamakor, we duplicated disks of Kazit.
I think it can be done again with Ubuntu.
We have duplicated it using a firm in Carmiel (I do not recall the name now)
There is also Magnetics in Petach Tikva that can do it.

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On 10/15/07, Guy Sheffer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Oded Arbel wrote:
> > On Sat, 2007-10-13 at 20:14 -0400, Guy Sheffer wrote:
> >
> >> I am Guy Sheffer from the Jerusalem Linux Club (JLC).
> >> Our club is now in reparation for an installation party around
> November.
> >>
> >
> >
> >> However, when we made contact with Canonical to use ShipIt, they only
> >> offer Ubuntu 6 and not 7.
> >>
> >
> > If I understand correctly, when the installation party will be held
> > Ubuntu 7.10 will already have been released, so you'd probably want to
> > install that.
> >
> As I said, we made contact with them. We don't necessarily want ubuntu
> 7.10. I think 7.10 is alright, it has been tested since it was out. And
> is probably less buggy.
> > Given that 7.10 is not released yet (well - they still have 2 weeks to
> > complete testing) its quite likely that you won't get any relevant help
> > from Canonical. I suggest to contact them again after the release, and
> > they might be able to help you, the short time frame not withstanding.
> >
> > I think your best bet is to get someone with a lightscribe CD writer and
> > a free weekend to burn and label several dozens CDs with a nice Ubuntu
> > and penguin logo. The outcome would look quite professional, and the
> > investment should be around 10 NIS per CD which I'm sure can be easily
> > raised with a quick fund raiser.
> >
> >
> Most of our club members are busy people. If you were in August Penguin
> 2007, you might have heard the theory there about "someone needs to".
> Most of the JLC members are busy people with no time. I have no way of
> doing that (nether do I have time for it).
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Sound in GNOME under CYGWIN or Xnest

[Ori Idan]

Hello all,

I have a Linux server (Debian Etch).
I am connecting to this server using XDMCP with either CYGWIN (from a window
machine) or Xnest (From another Linux machine)
When I am on the server, the sound works perfectly (ALSA)
On the stations I get error device not ready or busy.

Does someone have any idea?


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Re: Browser usage statistics

[Ori Idan]

It is too early to say MSIE is less then 50%.
On my blog (Israel only) MSIE (6.0 and 7.0) total of 82%

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On 11/3/07, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Saturday 03 November 2007, Omer Zak wrote:
> > Can those among you, who have Web sites, check browser usage statistics
> > in their Web sites during the last few days?
> >
> > The reason for this question is that my Web site (which has
> > international audience) statistics report has it that less than 50% of
> > its visitors since beginning of November use Internet Explorer (for
> > exact statistics, see my blog at http://www.zak.co.il/tddpirate/).
> >
>
> Since the beginning of November, I got for http://www.shlomifish.org/ -
> 13.60%
> for MSIE 5.0 (some of it is probably Opera), 12.52% for MSIE 6.0 and 8.08%
> for MSIE 7.0 - totalling in 34.20% for MSIE. In comparison, Firefox alone
> received 31.23%, Mozilla 1.x received 2.14%, Konqueror received 1.11%,
> Safari
> (OSX) received 1.01%. There's also a substantial percent from MSNBot (
> 4.98%),
> Googlebot (2.12%), and other bots.
>
> In comparison, in October MSIE totalled 36.22% and Firefox 24.99%.
>
> > I would like to know whether this is only statistics fluke or a real
> > trend.  Also, it would be interesting to find the corresponding
> > statistics for Israel.
> >  --- Omer
>
> Regards,
>
> Shlomi Fish
>
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Re: GNU license question (was: Application L10n)

[Ori Idan]

I am not sure but I think the gettext library is LGPL, only the tools are
GPL.

If it is GPL, I am happy, this shows the greatness of GPL, it forces free
software.

Keep in mind that GPL application does not mean free (as in free beer)
application. GPL application can be commercial.

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On 11/7/07, Michael Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Continuing thread "application localization in Linux".
>
> I've checked gettext package and seems to answer all our needs for
> translating interface of our application on every possible platform.
> Actually wikipedia gives a very short and clear explanation here:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gettext
>
> The only problem that left is that gettext is GNU licensed. Our
> application is commercial one and, judging from wikipedia article about
> GNU license, even mere linking with gettext will demand to release our
> application under similar license.
>
> Two questions to this respectable community:
>
> 1. Is it any way to overcome this obstruction ? I've seen somewhere in the
> Net that we can move all code that statically links with GNU libraries to
> a dedicated DLL and to release only this DLL as GPL.. Although I do not
> see how it can be done with gettext, all (!) strings in the sources have
> to be  enclosed in _()..
>
> 2. Do you know about commercial products of gettext grade ? I remind that
> we need them to be multiplatform..
>
> Thanks in advance.
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Re: GNU license question (was: Application L10n)

[Ori Idan]

Well, this is the greatness of GPL that it demands publishing your source
code.

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On Nov 7, 2007 9:36 AM, Michael Sternberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>
> I agree that GPL is great and know that GPL applications can be
> commercial. The problem is that it demands to publish your application's
> source code which is not acceptable in most commercial applications.
>
> But yes, as gettext site says it: libintl and libasprintf libraries are
> LGPL, executables and libgettextpo library are GPL.
>
> It looks that if we will use libintl as DLL - we're OK, as it stated here:
> http://www.gnu.org/software/gettext/manual/gettext.html#Discussions
>
> Am I right ?
>
> > Sent: WednesdaDy, 07 November, 2007 08:46 AM
> >
> > I am not sure but I think the gettext library is LGPL, only the tools
> > are GPL.
> >
> > If it is GPL, I am happy, this shows the greatness of GPL, it forces
> > free software.
> >
> > Keep in mind that GPL application does not mean free (as in free beer)
> > application. GPL application can be commercial.
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Re: collaborative online document writing software

[Ori Idan]

You are talking about a Wiki system.
There are lot of Wiki systems some of them with hebrew support.

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On Nov 26, 2007 4:07 PM, Maxim Veksler <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I remember once someone posted on this list a project that allowed
> writing documents online simultaneously by several users.
> It did this by exposing a web interface with some ajax calls behind it.
>
> It looked great, felt awesome and I can't find it anywhere.
>
> Anyone knows what I'm talking about?
>
>
> Thank you,
> Maxim.
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Maxim Veksler
>
> "Free as in Freedom" - Do u GNU ?
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Job opening

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One of my clients needs 2 people:

1. Java programmer 1-2 years experience with Web applicaions. Familiarity
with Spring & JSF - advantageous.
2. Fibre Channel programmer - exprience with writing FC applications and/or
HBA drivers in Linux environements.


Please contact me in private.

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Re: missing /home

[Ori Idan]

It seems as if for some reason the /home partition was not mounted when you
tried to log it.

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On Dec 20, 2007 9:52 PM, shlomo solomon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I have a strange problem. When I try to login with any user, except
> for root, I get an error message saying that the userś home directory
> doesn´t  exist. I verified that this is NOT true. All home directories
> seem to be intact. I GOOGLED and found a suggestion that /etc/passwd
> could, for some reason, not include the names of the home directories.
> I verified that /etc/passwd is OK.
>
> Does anyone have any suggestions?
>
> Since I can get into my system (I don´t want to run as root), I´m
> sending this from a different system via gmail, so please CC replies
> to my Gmail account.
>
>
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Signal handler priority

[Ori Idan]

I have a process that creates several threads all of them in real time
priorities.
The process also has a signal handler, does anyone have any idea in what
priority the signal handler will run?

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Re: webmail client, NG?

[Ori Idan]

I use gmail and like it, I do understand the issues Shlomi complained about
and thus use also Thunderbird with gmail using as IMAP server, this way I
have the best of both worlds.

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On Jan 1, 2008 5:01 PM, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi Erez!
>
> On Tuesday 01 January 2008, Erez D wrote:
> > shlomi, that was the important things ?
> >
> > what about the fact that google knows everything about you ?
> > if you use it for buying things online, than google has your name,
> adress,
> > id etc ...
> > and google knows also what you are searching for (if you search via
> google)
> > and usually knows what sites you surf to (torrent, porn, hackers etc
> ...)
> > via googleanalytics ...
> > and where you were if you are using google-maps+gps ...
> > and more 
> >
> > i think that is more important than not being able to right click ->
> reply
> > ...
> >
>
> Well, not only did you top-post, but you've diverted the discussion into a
> completely different angle. Possibly a non-sequitur -
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_(logic)<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non_sequitur_%28logic%29>.
>  I didn't talk about the
> privacy issues involved with Google in general and GMail.com in
> particular.
> As much as I'm aware of this issue, I didn't seem to suffer from it so far
> (as Nadav mentioned) and it is global to all popular web-services in the
> WWW-oriented world. One can take some client-side measures to mitigate
> them,
> but I didn't bother so far.
>
> What I did talk about were usability problems in GMail.com, which cause me
> to
> still prefer KMail. These affect my day to day use of email, and bother me
> or
> make me more content in using the program or service.
>
> If you want to discuss the Google.com privacy issues feel free to do so,
> but I
> won't take any further part in it. These privacy issues don't affect the
> usability of the email service I'm using so I'll keep it as that.
>
> Regards,
>
>Shlomi Fish
>
> >
> > erez..
> >
> > On Jan 1, 2008 1:35 PM, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > On Monday 31 December 2007, Danny Lieberman wrote:
> > > > Ira
> > > > Why is gmail annoying you?   I can't believe you want to host your
> own
> > >
> > > mail
> > >
> > > > server - I stopped doing that a year ago and I use Google apps -
> simply
> > > > because the spam filtering is almost perfect and I don't have to
> hassle
> > > > with SA and the rest of the ball of wax.
> > >
> > > Well, I cannot speak for Ira, but I blogged about the problems that
> *I*
> > > found
> > > in gmail here:
> > >
> > > http://shlomif.livejournal.com/46955.html
> > >
> > > This is why I still prefer using KMail on my local machine instead.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > >Shlomi Fish
> > >
> > > > br
> > > > Danny
> > > >
> > > > On 12/31/07, Ira Abramov <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > > > Gmail is starting to annoy me and I'm contemplating folding back
> to
> > >
> > > rely
> > >
> > > > > on my own system only. I'm wondering if anyone knows of a better
> > >
> > > system
> > >
> > > > > than IMP4, maybe one that supports Hebrew better, and maybe has
> some
> > >
> > > of
> > >
> > > > > the cool AJAX gadgetry I'm used to from Gmail?
> > > > >
> > > > > IMP4 is not a bad proggy, I'm just wondering if there's something
> > >
> > > better
> > >
> > > > > out there that I haven't tried or heard of yet, and HAS BEEN
> TESTED
> > > > > by the esteemed users of this group :-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > Ira.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Reporting Live
> > > > > Ira Abramov
> > > > > http://ira.abramov.org/email/
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Re: Requested Tel Aviv Linux Club Presentations - Command Line Use and Scripting

[Ori Idan]

If you prepare the slides, I can give the lecture.

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On Jan 2, 2008 2:27 PM, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi all!
>
> During the Welcome-to-Linux series in the Tel Aviv Linux Club, several
> people
> expressed interest in Telux presentations about:
>
> 1. Linux/UNIX Command Line Use.
>
> 2. Scripting.
>
> Is there anyone who volunteers to give such presentations? We meet on
> Sundays
> at 18:30 in Tel Aviv University.
>
> I can help with preparing the slides.
>
> Regards,
>
>Shlomi Fish
>
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Re: FLOSS Services Directory

[Ori Idan]

Why do you need root access in order to maintain these services?


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Shlomi Fish wrote:

> Hi Chaim!
>
> On Tuesday 08 January 2008, Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote:
>   
>> Greetings fellow list members,
>>
>> There are often calls seeking FLOSS services on this list. Just recently we
>> have seen calls for Groupware and SugarCRM installs. Perhaps someone on the
>> list would like to set up a directory where companies and freelancers can
>> list the services they can provide and people can put in comments and rate
>> the level of service that they have received from the providers. It could
>> be an income opportunity where advertisement space could be sold. It could
>> be great for Hamakor or another such organization and they could profit
>> share with whoever does the development work. Win-Win
>>
>> Just a thought.
>>
>> 
>
> There used to be two directories of consultants on www.iglu.org.il before its 
> demise:
>
> 1. The old one implemented as a small Perl web-application written in Perl. 
> Its main problem was that it was impossible to edit the entries after 
> posting, which caused them to be un-maintained. There were also other 
> problems with it.
>
> 2. Later on, I started a consulting directory in the iglu.org.il wiki:
>
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060720074036/www.iglu.org.il/wiki/index.php/Consulting
>
> This was not very populated, but it was world-editable so prospective 
> consultants/service providers could have filled it with more information.
>
> 
>
> At the moment, all the domains hosted at iglu.org.il are down, and while I 
> and 
> other people would like to see them brought back, I don't have the necessary 
> superuser permissions to do so, and was refused to be given them.
>
> If they will be brought back, or we have a wiki at our disposal, we can set 
> up 
> something similar to what you described. But that's not the case at the 
> moment.
>
> Regards,
>
>   Shlomi Fish
>
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Re: FLOSS Services Directory

[Ori Idan]

Most of us have sites and systems on shared hosting even without shell
access so I assume you can manage without root.
I support that you will have root privileges but we have been in this
discussion in the past, unfortunately the current admin will not give root
to anyone.
I don't think we need many domains, we can put all services under
hamakor.org.il There is no need I think for many domains.
Let's ask all the list here what do you think. Do we still need iglu domain?

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On Jan 8, 2008 10:18 PM, Shlomi Fish <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Tuesday 08 January 2008, Ori Idan wrote:
> > Why do you need root access in order to maintain these services?
> >
>
> 1. I need to setup Apache "Alias"'es and other configuration directives.
>
> 2. I need to restart or reload Apache.
>
> 3. I may need to play with the filesystem permissions.
>
> 4. I need to setup SQL databases.
>
> 5. I may need to repair broken SQL tables.
>
> 6. Murphy.
>
> 
>
> Generally, the problem is not about not trusting me enough to have root
> privileges on tux.hamakor.org.il, it's about the fact that the current
> admins
> don't like the past proliferation of domains and services that was present
> on
> Eskimo.
>
> Regards,
>
>Shlomi Fish
>
> > Shlomi Fish wrote:
> > > Hi Chaim!
> > >
> > > On Tuesday 08 January 2008, Chaim Keren-Tzion wrote:
> > >> Greetings fellow list members,
> > >>
> > >> There are often calls seeking FLOSS services on this list. Just
> recently
> > >> we have seen calls for Groupware and SugarCRM installs. Perhaps
> someone
> > >> on the list would like to set up a directory where companies and
> > >> freelancers can list the services they can provide and people can put
> in
> > >> comments and rate the level of service that they have received from
> the
> > >> providers. It could be an income opportunity where advertisement
> space
> > >> could be sold. It could be great for Hamakor or another such
> > >> organization and they could profit share with whoever does the
> > >> development work. Win-Win
> > >>
> > >> Just a thought.
> > >
> > > There used to be two directories of consultants on www.iglu.org.ilbefore
> > > its demise:
> > >
> > > 1. The old one implemented as a small Perl web-application written in
> > > Perl. Its main problem was that it was impossible to edit the entries
> > > after posting, which caused them to be un-maintained. There were also
> > > other problems with it.
> > >
> > > 2. Later on, I started a consulting directory in the iglu.org.il wiki:
> > >
> > >
> http://web.archive.org/web/20060720074036/www.iglu.org.il/wiki/index.php/
> > >Consulting
> > >
> > > This was not very populated, but it was world-editable so prospective
> > > consultants/service providers could have filled it with more
> information.
> > >
> > > 
> > >
> > > At the moment, all the domains hosted at iglu.org.il are down, and
> while
> > > I and other people would like to see them brought back, I don't have
> the
> > > necessary superuser permissions to do so, and was refused to be given
> > > them.
> > >
> > > If they will be brought back, or we have a wiki at our disposal, we
> can
> > > set up something similar to what you described. But that's not the
> case
> > > at the moment.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Shlomi Fish
> > >
> > > -
> > > Shlomi Fish  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Can't browse to some sites.

[Ori Idan]

I had a similar problem. What I did was to set manually the DNS to use
and that solved the problem.


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David Harel wrote:

> Hi there,
>
>
> At first this sounds real stupid so I apologize.
> I fail to connect to zap.co.il. other computers (MS) on my network go
> there with out any problems but another Gentoo (k2.4 and not updated
> at all) also fails to connect.
> Didn't notice any other site with similar problems.
> I tried everything I could.
> 1. removed all protection definition on the firewall.
> 2. removed all port forwarding on the firewall.
> 3. removed all services on my client.
> 4. changed my IP
> 5. switched to wireless connection.
> 6. tried different browsers such as FF, LYNX, IEs for Linux (IE6 on
> wine), Opera (lynx says: HTTP request sent; waiting for response).
> 7. tried via different user.
> 8. telnet zap.co.il 80
> 9. use older kernel 2.6.20-gentoo-r8.
> 10. check if I have iptables filtering things.
>
> My current configuration:
> Gentoo updated almost to the last bit. (had trouble with openssh
> openssl...)
> Kernel 2.6.23-gentoo-r3
> HW: Fujitsu Siemens S7020 laptop (intel dual...w 2G)
>
> -- 
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>
> David Harel,
>
> ==
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Re: gcc thoughts

[Ori Idan]

gcc as a compiler always work on a single file.

For a cross reference, you need something that knows all the files, this
is done by ld and it does create a cross reference, this is the map file.

However, during development, I still can not link (some files and
functions are broken) therefore I need different tool for the cross
reference.


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Leonid Podolny wrote:

> Hi, list,
> This letter is probably better suited to hackers-il, but I need help
> from people that are better acquainted with a development process of gcc.
> This morning, while browsing through pages of frustratingly irrelevant
> cscope output, I got an idea. In every kosher *nix development
> environment, the cross-references (i.e. "jump to definition of this
> struct/function") are built by some crippled 3rd party tool (such as
> ctags, cscope or home-brewed set of elisp scrips). On the other hand,
> the only tool that actually knows what is going on during compilation
> is gcc, so it's only logical that it should build cross-references
> along the way.
> It would be simply fantastic. The index would reflect the actual set
> of #ifdef's I currently work with. It would always point you to the
> header file that was actually #include-d. It would be immediately
> useful to almost everyone in FOSS world.
> I have a couple of ideas, how it might be tailored into gcc running
> sequence. However, I'm a humble gcc user  and I have almost no
> experience with its inner workings.
> The idea by itself is so obvious and on-the-surface that it everyone
> using gcc must come up with it sooner or later. There must be a very
> sound technical reason not to do so. What is it?



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Re: gcc thoughts

[Ori Idan]

Leonid Podolny wrote:

> Ori Idan wrote:
>> gcc as a compiler always work on a single file.
>>
>> For a cross reference, you need something that knows all the files, this
>> is done by ld and it does create a cross reference, this is the map
>> file.
>>
>> However, during development, I still can not link (some files and
>> functions are broken) therefore I need different tool for the cross
>> reference.
>>
>>
>
> I thought that cc would drop aside a map file and pass a compiled file
> to assembler. This way it doesn't really interfere with
> one-file-at-a-time paradigm, because the map file is a by-product,
> it's not really passed to the assembler afterwards. A map file would
> hold only information about this specific .c file (preprocessed, i.e.
> along with its headers). It would include the information about the
> file for its external user, such as list of functions defined (name
> and file:line for every one), non-static variables (name and
> file:line), etc.
> How to turn these files into something more useful is a different
> issue.  At a first stage, it's possible to write an external utility
> that would take specified map files, reverse the data (i.e. turn "a.c
> defines func1(), func2()" into "func1() is defined in a.c" and
> "func2() is defined in a.c") and build common index. Then you would
> tailor it into makefiles to build project-wide index. The result will
> still be much better than cscope output, because you will never see
> header files that were never included (such as wrong architectures and
> not included code during kernel development). It will also correctly
> see your current settings of #ifdef's (again, in kernel, it means that
> it reflects your current .config). Cscope also sometimes fails to
> parse .c file correctly, such as failing to understand that some
> specific line is a function declaration if you put line feed between a
> returned value type and a name. This issue will also be gone -- the
> index is effectively built by the same semantical analyzer that
> compiler uses.
> A disadvantages of this approach are also clear. The data reversing
> part is error-prone and actually means duplicating part of the
> functionality of ld, so this part should somehow move to ld. Or maybe
> not -- for example, duplicate symbols cause ld to fail, but should not
> be a problem for indexer. It all requires careful design.
> Tell me if all the above makes any sense.
>
>
Map file is not created by gcc, it is created by ld that is called by
gcc after all files are compiled to object files.
So it has nothing to do with the assembler.

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Re: Checking from a kernel module the existence of a device file - is it possible ?

[Ori Idan]

It is impossible.
When the kernel loads it first loads built in modules, then mounts file
system later on init insert other modules.
What you want is a module that can only be inserted by init or manually by
modprob or insmod.
In modern systems however, the device files are generated using udevd so you
don't need to check for device file.

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On Feb 19, 2008 11:13 AM, Dan Shimshoni <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Is there a way I can test, from a kernel module, the existence of a
> device file ?
>
> A kernel module I write is a character device module, which depends
> on getting ioctls. In order that it will work, "mknod ... /dev/myDev"
> should be issued before to create the device file.
>
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Re: "all-in-one" ink printer : looking for recommendations

[Ori Idan]

I am working with HP psc2210 I am not sure if they manufacture it now but I
am sure there are other models in the psc series.
As much as I know all these models are supported under Linux.
It has a fax/scanner The scanner works great using SANE.
There should be a way to send a fax directly but I did not find it.
The printer also contains card reader that works great under Linux.

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On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 2:51 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Wed, Mar 12, 2008 at 02:15:52PM +0200, Boaz Rymland wrote:
>
>
> > - having good printer drivers under Linux.
>
> Fairly easy to find.
>
> > - working scanner functionality under Linux is highly desirable.
>
> Look up the SANE pages. Pay special attention to features you want
> or need. For example one scanner I had was supported by SANE, but not
> for low resolution black and white scans. You could do a photograph
> fine, but scanning documents took forever.
>
> You had to scan them as high res photos and then convert them
> to black and white with gimp or a similar program.
>
> > - independent fax capability
>
> Another detail to check. Some can be used as an independent fax,
> some can also be used as fax modems.
>
>
> > - shared printing: I need to be able to print to it from windows and
> > linux. I don't mind how this is achieved (setting linux as a printer
> > server, network presence of the printer, etc) as long as its easy
> > (enough) to install and maintain.
>
> There are two ways to do this. CUPS is your friend. You can drive it from
> your Linux system and use SAMBA to share the printer. Or you can print
> directly to it from Windows using "Internet printing". (IPP?)
>
> The other way is to put the printer on the windows computer and print
> to it with SMBprint (part of the SAMBA package). CUPS will work nicely
> with it for Linux printing.
>
>
> > - under 1000nis (will this be a problem?... at least not much more than
> > this limit).
>
> Lots of them for that price.
>
> Geoff.
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Re: Gnucash annual reports for Israel

[Ori Idan]

In order to submit reports you must use a software authorized by the Israeli
Tax authorities.
GNUCash is not authorized as much as I know therefore no CPA will get
reports from it.

Sorry for the self advertising, however the only open source software I know
that has Tax authorities is drorit (http://drorit.helicontech.co.il)

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On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 11:59 AM, Yuval Hager <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sunday 06 April 2008, Omer Zak wrote:
> > If we are at this subject, can anyone, who has experience with using
> > GNUCash in Israel, write an HOWTO about configuring GNUCash to meet the
> > needs for micro-business accounting in Israel?
> >
> > Sample questions:
> > 1. How to set up things so that VAT will be automatically calculated and
> > credited to a VAT account?
>
> I have asked and searched the manuals and FAQs but could not find a way to
> conveniently automatically calculate VAT.
>
> However, since it is quite convenient to make calculations for each cell,
> I do
> it manually every time.
> I split VAT to "Liabilities:VAT Payments" and "Expenses:VAT".
> I use the Liability Account for VAT payments, crediting it when I am
> liable,
> and debit it when I pay to VAT authorities. The manual method also lets me
> decide which portion of the VAT I move to "Liabilities:VAT payments" and
> which to "Expenses:VAT".
>
> > 2. How to get the accounts notarized (or whatever) by a CPA?
> >
>
> I just would like to know *which* reports should I send to the accountant.
> I
> don't expect him to use Gnucash or accept QIF/whatnot format files.
>
> --y
>
> >   --- Omer
> >
> > On Sun, 2008-04-06 at 09:07 +0300, Yuval Hager wrote:
> > > Hi list,
> > >
> > > It's that time of year again (for submitting fiscal reports). This
> year I
> > > have everything under gnucash though!
> > >
> > > I was wondering what is the best way to file the reports to the
> > > accountant. Assuming he does not know or care about the software -
> What
> > > reports should I create and send to him? I know Gnucash reports are US
> > > oriented, and have no idea which ones apply to Israel.
>
>
>
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Re: Gnucash annual reports for Israel

[Ori Idan]

On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 3:45 PM, Geoffrey S. Mendelson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On Sun, Apr 06, 2008 at 03:24:15PM +0300, Shachar Shemesh wrote:
>
> > Just for the record, to the best of my knowledge, this is not so. You
> > only need to certify your program with the tax authorities if you intend
> > to *sell* it. Otherwise, a piece of paper works just as well.
>
> I'm not a laywer, but what I was told is that all business tax reports
> must be submitted from an approved program, with the data entered by
> a level 3 certified bookkeeper.

You do not need a certified level 3 bookkeeper. I have done it myself for
years, two years ago I handed it to my CPA since I did not have a software
to do it.
Since December 2007, Drorit is certified and thus I can use it.
You can use a piece of paper but also on pieces of paper there are some laws
you need to obey.
You can submit reports either on paper or from a ceritified software.
Today, a certified software must be able to output files in a predefined
format (open format, defined by tax authorities).
Therefore GNUCash will not be accepted as it can not output these files.

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Re: debian etch, how do I upgrade the kernel

[Ori Idan]

On Tue, Apr 8, 2008 at 6:29 PM, Shachar Shemesh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Geoffrey S. Mendelson wrote:
>
>  I upgraded a debian system I have (the only one) from sarge to etch using
> > apt-get and it worked, except that I have two problems:
> >
> > The first is that it did not update the kernel. How do I update the
> > Kernel? I can't find any packages called "kernel".
> >
> >
> People here answered that, sort of. With the move from initrd to
> initramfs, Debian decided to rename the packages from kernel-image to
> linux-image (possibly there is also hurd-image, I don't know).
>

I am not sure about hurd-image but  I think I have seen bsd-image, I
understood that renaming kernel-image to linux-image is a result of debian
port with BSD kernel.

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Banks support of free browsers

[Ori Idan]

A reporter approached me and said he would like to make a story about 
the issue of browsers support for non IE browsers.

I don't know yet where this article will be published.
I think it would be good to help him.
He asked me for people who has accounts in the following banks: Leumi, 
Discount, Mizrachi and First International Bank and also people who 
tried using credit card companies web sites.

If anyone is interested, send me your email address privatly (to 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]) with the banks that you have accounts and I will 
forwared the mail to the reporter so he can contact you directly.

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Job offer

[Ori Idan]

One of my clients is looking for a Linux programmer.
No big experience is required, however knowledge of C/C++ is a must, 
experience with Linux development tools (gcc, gdb, make) is required.

Knowledge of network protocols is also required.
Embedded systems (not necessarily linux) is considered advantage.
Please send CV to: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Printing Hebrew from Firefox/Thunderbird

[Ori Idan]

If I remember correctly, you need to install Xprint (I think the package
is xprt) in order to print correctly from Mozilla.

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Michael Ben-Gershon wrote:

> I can read Hebrew in Firefox and Thunderbird. However, Hebrew
> text is always blank when printed. How can this be fixed?
>
> I am using Firefox/Thunderbird 1.0.2 and Fedora Core 2 (xft).
>
> Many thanks,
>
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Is open source more secure? [was Re: Moving to Linux]

[Ori Idan]

I think this is an academic debate if GNU/Linux is more secured or not.

For the simple people, let us look at the facts:

1. When was the last time any of this list members has seen a virus in
his GNU/Linux desktop? (I guess the answer is never)

2. When was the last time you had a spyware in your desktop? (again the
answer is never)

So the end result is: GNU/LINUX IS MORE SECURED.

There is a question wether in the future there will be viruses or
spywares, this is a real question (my opinion is no, there won't be). We
don't know the future of Micro$oft OS either, will Longhorn be more secured?

So for the time being Open source desktop is far more secured then XP
desktop.

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Tzahi Fadida wrote:

>I think that something is misunderstood here. If you have a closed
>source, that does not mean that you cannot find bugs to
>exploit looking at the binaries. Those that are in the know,
>knows ( :) ) its not that hard once enough time is invested.
>
>OTOH if you have an open source software you can take a list
>of known code abuses and go thru the code and fix them.
>The problem is, that not everyone knows how to do that
>and thus again here open source stands out where anyone
>can see the code. With closed source you have to rely on the
>sole source creators - the owners.
>
>I definitely believe that open source is more secured, but its
>more relative then just saying that. I.e. only when the software
>is exposed enough in the community will it get the appropriate
>attention to fix its flaws.
>I.e. I will only compare security between closed and open source
>software with the same level of exposure.
>
>Regards,
>   tzahi.
>
>  
>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Adir Abraham
>>Sent: Monday, May 09, 2005 1:21 PM
>>To: Dan Kaspi
>>Cc: linux-il@linux.org.il
>>Subject: Re: Moving to Linux
>>
>>
>>On Sun, 8 May 2005, Dan Kaspi wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>this can be easiy changed; moreover, he claimed that since 
>>>  
>>>
>>Linux is an 
>>
>>
>>>open
>>>source,
>>>maybe it is even easier to develop viruses/spyware to it. 
>>>  
>>>
>>In this point
>>
>>
>>>I did not know what to answer him. I am not a
>>>security expert; it could be that he is right in this point.
>>>  
>>>
>>There have been a lot of debates whether open-source is more 
>>secured than 
>>close-source. I'll give you a short quote from one of the 
>>famous articles 
>>out there ( 
>>http://www.dwheeler.com/secure-programs/Secure-Programs-HOWTO.
>>
>>
>html chapter 
>2.4: "Is Open Source Good for Security?"):
>
>" Elias Levy (Aleph1) is the former moderator of one of the most popular
>
>security discussion groups - Bugtraq. He discusses some of the problems
>in 
>making open source software secure in his article "Is Open Source Really
>
>More Secure than Closed?". His summary is:
>
> 'So does all this mean Open Source Software is no better than
>closed 
>source software when it comes to security vulnerabilities? No. Open
>Source 
>Software certainly does have the potential to be more secure than its 
>closed source counterpart. But make no mistake, simply being open source
>
>is no guarantee of security.' "
>
>Regards,
>
>   Adir.
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Lilo boots slow...

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I installed debian on an IBM thinkpad with LILO as it's boot loader,
when LILO starts is says: Loading Linux and then draws dots for few
seconds and then says BIOS check successfull and start to actualy load
the kernel.

Is there a way to shorten the time it draws these dots?

What is this stage anyway?

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Re: Lilo boots slow...

[Ori Idan]

shimi wrote:

>On Fri, 2005-05-20 at 16:07 +0300, Ori Idan wrote:
>  
>
>>I installed debian on an IBM thinkpad with LILO as it's boot loader,
>>when LILO starts is says: Loading Linux and then draws dots for few
>>seconds and then says BIOS check successfull and start to actualy load
>>the kernel.
>>
>>Is there a way to shorten the time it draws these dots?
>>
>>
>
>Do you have the "compact" option in lilo.conf ?
>
>If you don't, try adding it.
>
>Warning: NOT compatible with all hardware. Make a LiveCD/rescue disc
>handy.
>
>If you do, then... use GRUB. :-)
>
>  
>
Ok, compact did the trick.

What is this stage of dots anyway?

As for GRUB, I am not very familiar with it so I would not like to play
with something I am not familiar with.

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Re: IPv6 and B-Focus 312+

[Ori Idan]

Diego Iastrubni wrote:

>Hi,
>
>I got this new modem which is capable of dialing on its own (aka router). I 
>set it up according to the manuals, and under XP is works flawlesly.
>
>I boot to linux, and Firefox cannot find sites, Konqueror can. It seems that 
>the DNS queries are beeing done over IPv6 and not IPv4, and in our country te 
>support for it is not "perfect":
>http://linmagazine.co.il/node/view/5705
>http://www.tapuz.co.il/tapuzforum/main/Viewmsg.asp?forum=236&msgid=49727959&archive=1
>
>I managed to get Firefox working by disabling network.dns.disableIPV6 in 
>about::config. Now the problem is that many applications (XChat, apt) are 
>failing at the same place...
>
>I heard that disabling IPv6 would "fix" the problem, so I deleted all the 
>modules which had to do with IPv6 in /lib/modules/linux*/ rebooted and I 
>still see the same problem.
>
>Does anyone know this problem and how to fix it? 
>
>  
>
I have just installed this router few days ago, it worked good with most
applications I tried GAIM and it would not connect, I googled about it
and found about the ipv6.

When disabled it in my /etc/modules.conf (debian unstable) everything
worked fine.

This router now works for me for 3 days without any interruptions,
connection is good, serving 3 computers with DHCP and NAT, I had one
power failure and everything got back to normal without any intervention.

It still does not mean this is a good router, however it seems to work fine.

Well, it is a nice little linux box...

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Re: Accessing eci b-focus 312+ ADSL Router/Modem

[Ori Idan]

I did some research and found that ECI bought these modems from another
manufactorer in the far east (this is an OEM) so matters get a little
more complicated.

Who violated the GPL? it is either the original company whose identity I
don't know yet or ECI.

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Peter wrote:

>
> On Sun, 5 Jun 2005, Matan Ziv-Av wrote:
>
>>> I.o.w., if the modules come on disk and are loaded at run time by a
>>> script it's ok. You know what ? That's exactly what they are doing.
>>> Unbelievable.
>>
>>
>> No. If they are distributed together (as in the case of an embedded
>> device), it is surely not "mere aggregation".
>
>
> Well, what the f** is it then ? Did you know that the mips
> architecture has separate flash spaces for each item ? The kernel is
> flashed in a different chip than the compressed root fs for example.
> How do you measure the distance between them to define
> 'non-aggregated' ? mm ? inches ? microns if its a stacked flash ?
>
>> Alan Cox is not OK with this. Harald Welte is not OK with this. Erik
>> Andersen is not OK with this. Just to name a few.
>
>
> Ok.
>
>> See what Linus shouts, loud and clear:
>>
>> http://www.ussg.iu.edu/hypermail/linux/kernel/0312.0/1014.html
>
>
> This makes it clearer.
>
>> Andersen is OK with devices that include Busybox and comply with the
>> GPL. He is very unhappy with devices that include Busybox and violate
>> the GPL:
>>
>> http://busybox.net/shame.html
>
>
> Reading it up ...
>
>>> Yes, you can, if and only if it's linux or open source based and the
>>> license permits you to do that. You are allowed to charge money for
>>> it. You can copy it and sell the copies. This is explicitly
>>> specified in the GPL. The idea is
>>
>>
>> Did you actually read the license? It does not say what you think it
>> says.
>
>
> I thought that the part about copying is clear. The only people who
> decide how much it costs to compile, copy, print and mail an item are
> the distributors. How else could you explain the $100 price tag of a
> Suse or Red Hat box. But you can always go with cheapbytes.
>
>> Try following this, it is not very hard.
>>
>> 1. The ECI router runs Linux.
>>
>> 2. ECI got a copy of Linux from Montavista.
>>
>> 3. Montavista gave ECI both binary and source, so they comply with
>> the license.
>>
>> 4. ECI gave Matan a binary copy of Linux.
>>
>> 5. ECI did not give matan the corresponding source, and did not offer
>> to give such source.
>>
>> 6. Therefore, they did not comply with the license.
>>
>> 7. Therefore, they copied Linux without having a legal right to do so.
>
>
> Hmm. Ok, I see the point. Maybe the license 'got lost' somewhere on
> the way. It would be interesting to know if there is something on the
> b-focus cdrom. I will look tomorrow if I have time.
>
>> Funny, coming from someone who speaks about the GPL, but does not
>> know what it says.
>
>
> Ok, I overreacted. Sorry.
>
> Peter
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Re: Telux: Break + Call for Welcome-to-Linux Volunteers

[Ori Idan]

I would be happy to give the FOSS lecture as I gave it last year.

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Shlomi Fish wrote:

>During the month of October, all the Sundays will be occupied because of the 
>Jewish holidays. Thus, The Tel Aviv Linux Club will have a break until 13 
>November when the Welcome to Linux series (http://welcome.linux.org.il/) will 
>start.
>
>In order to have a successful Welcome-to-Linux series, we need volunteers to:
>
>1. Prepare, proofread and otherwise contribute to the slides and presentation 
>material. Currently the "Linux for the Pupil and for the Student" and the 
>"Living in a Community" presentations need to be prepared, and the others 
>need to be proof-read.
>
>2. Volunteer to give one or more presentation. No presentor has committed for 
>any of the presentations yet.
>
>Please let us know if you wish to help in any way by E-mailing 
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>Linux you should probably subscribe to its mailing list:
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>http://welcome.linux.org.il/#help_us
>
>You can find the time table of the Telux presentations here:
>
>http://welcome.linux.org.il/timetable.html#telaviv
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>Regards,
>
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Hebrew "Nikud"

[Ori Idan]

I need to add "Nikud" to a text I write.

I use debian unstable X.org and GNOME

Does someone have any idea how to set my keyboard layout so it supports
Nikud?

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Debian X problems

[Ori Idan]

I have just installed debian on an IBM X31
I installed from sarge netinstall
I changed the sources to unstable did
apt-get update
apt-get dist-upgrade
apt-get install gnome

Then I tried to reboot the system, everything seemed to work Ok until I
tried to login with my user on gdm
I got an error: There was an error creating the child process for this
terminal

I tried changing to kde and still got the same error.

I tried loging in as root and it worked fine

I suspect this is something with premissions but I have no idea of what
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Re: Debian X problems

[Ori Idan]

I tried both Failsafe gnome and Failsafe terminal options.
In failsafe gnome I got the splash screen and stack on this splash.
On failsafe terminal I got back to gdm.
I have GNOME, KDE and XFCE, I tried all of them and got the same error.
While on root I can log in to whatever window manager I want.
I also tried switching to kdm which did not help, each option I tried
returned me back to kdm.
I tried looking in /var/log/messages and could not find anything related.

Does someone have any idea?

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>On Sat, Nov 12, 2005 at 02:26:53PM +0200, Ori Idan wrote:
>  
>
>>I have just installed debian on an IBM X31
>>I installed from sarge netinstall
>>I changed the sources to unstable did
>>apt-get update
>>apt-get dist-upgrade
>>apt-get install gnome
>>
>>Then I tried to reboot the system, everything seemed to work Ok until I
>>tried to login with my user on gdm
>>I got an error: There was an error creating the child process for this
>>terminal
>>
>>I tried changing to kde and still got the same error.
>>
>>I tried loging in as root and it worked fine
>>
>>I suspect this is something with premissions but I have no idea of what
>>file or directory
>>
>>
>
>Try login with session 'failsafe xterm' or however its called (there
>are few), then run 'startkde' from the xterm you get and see what
>happens.
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Re: Debian X problems

[Ori Idan]

Ori Idan wrote:

>I tried both Failsafe gnome and Failsafe terminal options.
>In failsafe gnome I got the splash screen and stack on this splash.
>On failsafe terminal I got back to gdm.
>I have GNOME, KDE and XFCE, I tried all of them and got the same error.
>While on root I can log in to whatever window manager I want.
>I also tried switching to kdm which did not help, each option I tried
>returned me back to kdm.
>I tried looking in /var/log/messages and could not find anything related.
>
>Does someone have any idea?
>
>  
>
Seemed that I solved the problem.
The problem was that /dev/null and /dev/urandom did not have premissions
for read from other users.
Now another small problem, when GNOME starts it says: No volume control
elements and/ori devices found.

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Re: df -i

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Most problems solved, the only problem remaining is that when I login to
gnome I get error:
No volume control elements and/or devices found.

I checked that my user is also in audio group and it does.
I checked premissions on /dev/dsp and still the problem remains

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>While the problem was solved, I suggest the following as another thing to
>check for when there are X problems and for preventive maintenance:
>df -i
>To ensure that you have enough free inodes in all writeable partitions.
>In an old version of RedHat, mailman sometimes went insane and ate up all
>the inodes in the partition hosting /var, and the worst problem was that
>almost everything in the system worked in spite of this.
>
>On Sun, 13 Nov 2005, Ori Idan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Ori Idan wrote:
>>
>>
>>
>>>I tried both Failsafe gnome and Failsafe terminal options.
>>>In failsafe gnome I got the splash screen and stack on this splash.
>>>On failsafe terminal I got back to gdm.
>>>I have GNOME, KDE and XFCE, I tried all of them and got the same error.
>>>While on root I can log in to whatever window manager I want.
>>>I also tried switching to kdm which did not help, each option I tried
>>>returned me back to kdm.
>>>I tried looking in /var/log/messages and could not find anything related.
>>>
>>>Does someone have any idea?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>Seemed that I solved the problem.
>>The problem was that /dev/null and /dev/urandom did not have premissions
>>for read from other users.
>>Now another small problem, when GNOME starts it says: No volume control
>>elements and/ori devices found.
>>
>>
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Sound problems debian/GNOME

[Ori Idan]

The problem is probably not premissions as I get the same error while I
login as root

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>check also /dev/audio
>
>
>Ori Idan wrote:
>
>  
>
>>Most problems solved, the only problem remaining is that when I login to
>>gnome I get error:
>>No volume control elements and/or devices found.
>>
>>I checked that my user is also in audio group and it does.
>>I checked premissions on /dev/dsp and still the problem remains
>>
>> 
>>
>>
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Re: Looking for SuSE 7.3 CDs/ISOs

[Ori Idan]

Even if Suse only sold it, I think it is legal to copy, unless it had
some non-free software inside it.

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Noam Meltzer wrote:

> ASFAIK, the 7.3 version was in the period of time when SuSE (preior
> Novell era) didn't allow any1 to download the ISOs and only sold CDs.
> So I believe that what you're asking is illegal.
> Still, maybe I'm wrong.
>
> Noam
>
> On 12/23/05, *Yaacov Fenster - System Engineering Troubleshooting and
> other stuff* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >
> wrote:
>
> Would somebody happen to have a copy lying around ?
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>Yaacov
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Re: Open source One Sided Accountisting Management program

[Ori Idan]

No, it is not approved yet.
Which means you can not send a report generated by this software to the
IRS, however if you use this software only for invoices and internal
accounting and the yearly report is done by a CPA than it is Ok.
I am using this software for my invoices.

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Rami Addady wrote:

>
> Dose it approve by the Israeli IRS?
>
> Regards,
> Rami
>
> Omer Zak wrote:
>
>>You may want to check out Ori Idan's Drorit
>>(http://sourceforge.net/projects/drorit)
>>
>>While it is double-sided, its interface language is Hebrew.
>>A year ago it did not have a CSV exporter, and I started developing one.
>>However I did not get around to finish it.
>> --- Omer
>>
>>On Tue, 2006-01-10 at 16:30 +0200, Ido Kanner wrote:
>>  
>>
>>>Hello,
>>>
>>>I'm looking for an open source program (I hope for Linux but if it's a
>>>Windows/BSD it's also okay for now) that does *one sided* Accounting 
>>>management
>>>for personal use (that is, *no* IRS or any external group will get this
>>>information). 
>>>The program must support Hebrew on writing and hopefully the interface 
>>>(that's
>>>why gnucash is not an option for now :( ). It also should be able to support
>>>exporting the data to many known file types from csv and xml to more exotic 
>>>formats.
>>>
>>>Does any of you know other programs that support (at least using Hebrew and
>>>exporting) such things ? 
>>>
>>>
>>
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Problems while logging in to Debian unstable

[Ori Idan]

I have tried to logged in to my Debian unstable machine using regular
user from gdm and got

a message "System bootup in progress" after clicking Ok I returned to
the login screen.

I tried logging in without X (Ctrl-Alt-F1) when logging in as root, got
the same message and password prompt and logged in Ok.

Trying to log in using regular user I got the same error and then
returned to the login: prompt.

Does anyone have any idea what may cause this probelm?


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Re: Problems while logging in to Debian unstable

[Ori Idan]

Oron Peled wrote:

>On Friday, 3 בFebruary 2006 19:08, Baruch Even wrote:
>  
>
>>Ori Idan wrote:
>>
>>
>>>a message "System bootup in progress" after clicking Ok I returned to
>>>the login screen.
>>>  
>>>
>>At the start of the boot process the Debian initscripts will create a
>>file /etc/nologin, this message is shown when you try to login while
>>this file exists.
>>
>>
>
>In modern Linux systems this login behavior is implemented by
>pam_nologin which does the /etc/nologin lookup and should also
>display its content as the reason for login failure. The usage
>of this module in /etc/pam.d/login etc. Causes this
>feature to be present.
>
>  
>
Thank you, this has solved the problem.

I wonder how the file /etc/nologin was created as I dont remember
creating it myself.

Maybe it was a script activated while upgrading the system.


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Symbolic links at tar file

[Ori Idan]

I have a source tree which some of the files are actually symbolic links
to other files in the same tree.

I compress the tree using tar cjf file.tar.bz2 dir

When I extract the files to the same machine everything works fine.

When I  extract the files to another machine with same directory
strucuture (the directories before the source tree) everything works
fine but extracting it on another machine with different path it seems
the symbolic links are not created.


For example:

On my machine the source tree is at: /home/ori/stree

On the other machine the source tree is at /home/user1/stree


If on the other machine I would extract it to /home/ori, everything
works fine.


It seems as if tar works with absolute path names for the symbolic links.


Anyone knows how to tell it to work with relational names?


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Re: y2hack4.org

[Ori Idan]

Yedidyah Bar-David wrote:

>Hi all,
>
>I know some people here care for this site, I hope the manager is here
>too, or at least someone who knows him.
>
>y2hack4.org/wiki suffers a severe case of wikispam. Please clean and close
>it if it's not alive anymore.
>
>Google for "wikispam" if you do not know what's that.
>  
>
The manger is Neora, you can contact her at: [EMAIL PROTECTED]


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Re: Nokia 770 Internet Tablet - In Israel?

[Ori Idan]

Matan Ziv-Av wrote:

> On Sun, 19 Feb 2006, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
>> Before you get it check the reviews - there was one (I can't remember
>> where - Linux Journal? Linux Devices?) that was less than thrilled.
>> Great concept but poor execution.
>
>
> If you are looking for an e-book reader with some internet
> capabilites, I think it's the best there is, certainly at that price.
> If you are interested mainly in the internet access (web and email),
> then the software is still far from what you can find on Palm or PPC.
>
>
In the same subject, can someone recommend a good PDA that works with Linux?

I am looking to replace my old Palm V with Linux enabled PDA.


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Re: firefox friendly credit card service

[Ori Idan]

I am using Bank Hapoalim with firefox with no problems.
About the left to right, just do a refresh after you first enter the
site and it reverses back to right to left.

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Uri Even-Chen wrote:
> Skliarouk Arieh wrote:
>> Hello,
>>
>> I want to choose credit card service that is firefox friendly. From
>> my experience, "isracard.co.il" is not friendly.
>
> Slightly off topic, but bank websites are also not compatible with
> Firefox.  For example, Bank Hapoalim website (the only one I checked so
> far) is not compatible with Firefox.  Unless you prefer to read Hebrew
> from left to right!  (and that's not the only problem).
>
> I think most credit card companies, banks, government offices etc. just
> assume that all of us either use, or at least are able to use, MSIE.
> But this didn't prevent MS from declaring that it's NOT a monopoly in
> Israel and the authorities agreed with them until recently.
>
> Uri.
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Re: Revival, final 10 hours

[Ori Idan]

I will be happy to join the eaters.
Where will the dinner take place?

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Marc A. Volovic wrote:
> Final 10 hours for Eaters' write in.
>
> Menu shall be dictated solely by myself, since no one wanted to add/suggest
> anything beyond a general request for "meat" from AJ and a request for
> non-red meat from SS. AJ's request is granted ipso facto and SS's request
> has, likewise, been granted.
>
> I am open to suggestions of Wine. Cooking shall entail quite a bit of
> Pushkin wine (which is quite nice vin du table). I shall see whether I can
> scrounge somethin nicer ;-).
>
> By the by - there is one NOT nice detail which I was suggested to raise
> a-priori. With the exception of SS and MV (ill and cooked) - all Eaters
> shall, at the strike of the clock, become Cleaners ;-).
>
> 1. Eaters:
>   Abraham, Adir
>   Altman, Alon
>   Aronovich, Amit
>   Ben Yossef, Gilad
>   Fish, Shlomi
>   Freund, Gil
>   Jenik, Aviram
>   Kisos, Lior
>   Konstantinov, Ilya
>   Peled, Oron
>   Shapira, Chen
>   Shapira, Omer
>   Shemesh, Shahar
>   Stav, Adi
>   Sukholitko, Boris
>   Volovic, Marc
>   Zemlerub, Evgeni
>
> 2. Amusing Presenter
>   Altman, Alon
>
> 3. Lebensraum
>   Jenik, Aviram
>
> 4. suCook
>   Konstantinov, Ilya
>   Zemlerub, Evgeni
>
> 5. Cook and Orgasmiser
>   Volovic, Marc
>
> 6. Menu (tentative):
>   ?
>   Patates Douce et Pommes en Ail
>   Osso Buco a-la Oriental sur Puree Pommes de la Terre et Topinambour
>   ?
>
> 7. Eaters honoured in absentia:
>   Abramov, Ira
>   Shapira, Amos - Gone to pastures greener
>   ..*, Victoria - Prima balerina of the first dinner
>
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msgrcv without removing the message

[Ori Idan]

I need to sleep until a message is aviliable in a message queue.

I can do it using msgrcv, however it will remove the message from the queue.

Is there a way to do it without removing the message? I juast want to
wake up and not read the message yet.


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Re: msgrcv without removing the message

[Ori Idan]

Gilad Ben-Yossef wrote:
> Ori Idan wrote:
>> I need to sleep until a message is aviliable in a message queue.
>>
>> I can do it using msgrcv, however it will remove the message from the
>> queue.
>>
>> Is there a way to do it without removing the message? I juast want to
>> wake up and not read the message yet.
>>
>>
>
> Move to POSIX message queues instead of Sys V message queues and use
> mq_notify():
>
>
> http://www.die.net/doc/linux/man/man3/mq_notify.3.html
>
> AFAIK POSIX message queues are supported in Linux circa 2.6.6 or some
> such.
>
> Gilad
>
I am afraid I can't since the system uses kernel 2.4.x is POSIX
supported on kernel 2.4?



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Re: One More Detail

[Ori Idan]

Unfortunatly I will not be able to come...

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Ira Abramov wrote:
> Quoting Gilad Ben-Yossef, from the post of Sat, 13 May:
>   
>> Alon Altman wrote:
>> 
>>> On Thu, 11 May 2006, Marc A. Volovic wrote:
>>>
>>>   
>>>> We start amusing presentation at 3pm
>>>> 
>> Dinner at 3pm on a Monday?
>>
>> I must have missed something here.
>>
>> Seriously, are we talking 3pm Monday? I sort of expected "dinner" to be 
>> held at 19:00++ ?
>> 
>
> at 15:00 everyone is officially invited.
> at 16:00 people will actually arrive and Alon will start his talk
> at 18:00 the Q&A will end and Marc will send his su(1) chefs to set the
>table
> at 18:40 people will stop chatting and sit at the table
> at 20:00 people will run out to collect wood because at 21:00 they are
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> Did I get it right?
>
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