Re: X keyboards international characters
On Sat, 31 May 2003 11:38:25 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2003 09:29:47 -0600 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Where do you find a description about the exact meaning of PC101,PC104, pickakeyboard layout, etc. ? pc104 will work fine Yeah, it works fine, but what does it really mean? What's the real difference between PC101, PC104, etc.? And how can you tell which you've got? 2. Where do you find the meaning of cryptic keycode descriptors like AltGr- ? On a Spanish keyboard, that's the right alt key (not sure on others) as for meaning??? don´t understand the question. The question is, where is there a list of key names with corresponding definitions? I can guess that with Alt in the name, it has something to do with one of the Alt keys, but what is the Gr- portion of the symbolic name? You, for example, use AltGr but I also see this written as AltGr-. On a Spanish keyboard, you have not two, but often 3 symbols on a key. the upper is shift, the lower left is normal, the lower right is using the AltGr key. 3. Where do you find the meaning of Compose Key , Meta Key , Mode n, etc. ? On the old DEC5000 keyboards I used years ago (1990-1995) w/ Ultrix, we had a key called Compose that allowed us to construct ñ by holding the compose key and selecting ~ then n. The Meta key should be your left Windoze key and mode is most likely the right one (but I haven´t ever had reason to use these so don´t quote me on this). 4. My X config has the following layout, but I can't find any combination of keys that will generate umlauts and other international character. What am I missing? Section InputDevice Identifier Keyboard0 Driver keyboard Option XkbRules xfree86 Option XkbModel pc104 Option XkbLayout us_intl EndSection 5. Font selection is OK. Emails display the appropriate umlauts, etc. Some apps don´t honor the X stuff. The use of these extended ASCII characters seems (128-255) to be _very_ application dependent. In my case, no app seems to recognize any of the methods of generating international characters that we have discussed thus far. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area gentoo stable - ext3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: X keyboards international characters
On Sat, 31 May 2003 18:33:31 -0500 ronnie gauthier [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 31 May 2003 17:19:38 -0600 - Collins Richey I have 108 keys, all of which save one (Fn) return a scan code. Fn seems to be ignored. 2. Where do you find the meaning of cryptic keycode descriptors like AltGr- ? 3. Where do you find the meaning of Compose Key , Meta Key , Mode n, etc. ? Meta is either Esc or Alt. I don't know about the Mode keys - this has always confused me. Still no luck with composing characters. Isn't Fn like a shift key for Fx xev pretty much ignores it, but in combination with F4-F8 only it returns the underlying scan code, and some of the letter combinations Fn-d maybe causes all keyboard events to be ignored until it's pressed again! groan -- Collins Richey - Denver Area gentoo stable - ext3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Hosed my system. Knoppix won't fix it.
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 15:30:51 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I seem to have hosed my system. After rebuilding the kernel, I guess I ought to have run lilo again, for the umpteemth time, which I didn't bother doing. Now when I try to boot, no matter which image I use, it just hangs up during boot. I booted up with knoppix and chroot'ed to my proper root directory. When I try to run lilo I am told that /dev/hda is not available or somesuch. This is in my lilo.conf boot=/dev/hda map=/boot/map I have also noticed that /boot is empty, no map there! So, the question is, what is the way to get the system to boot again. Knoppix mounts all the disk partitions read only, co you have to remount /dev/hda in r/w mode. When you say hangs up, are there any messages? -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Hosed my system. Knoppix won't fix it.
On Sat, 12 Apr 2003 18:36:06 -0400 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Knoppix mounts all the disk partitions read only, co you have to remount/dev/hda in r/w mode. This really confuses me. /dev/hda is not a directory or even a partition. It is the boot sector of the first hard drive. I could not see how to mount that r/w or how that would help me. Oops, failed to notice that. You don't mount /dev/hda. There are no files of interest to you in the boot sector. When you say hangs up, are there any messages? There were no error messages. It just hung during boot, when loading the system. It said something about package or system found at 0 and stopped. Doesn't ring any bells. -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Printing web pages
Are there any generalized utility programs that will grap a web page, extract the text, convert to a text (or fill-in-the-blanks) file for printing? I'm getting ready to work on some python code to do that for printing the Slackware users' manual, but it would be nice to have a real tool. -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Printing web pages
On Fri, 04 Apr 2003 17:39:19 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 04/04/03 17:35, Collins Richey wrote: Are there any generalized utility programs that will grap a web page, extract the text, convert to a text (or fill-in-the-blanks) file for printing? I'm getting ready to work on some python code to do that for printing the Slackware users' manual, but it would be nice to have a real tool. html2jpeg creates jpegs (basically screenshots) of webpages: http://freshmeat.net/projects/html2jpg/ html2ps converts html to postscript http://freshmeat.net/projects/html2ps/ html2pdf http://freshmeat.net/projects/html2pdf/ Thanks, Now that I've looked at the problem a little more closely, I probably need more that this. The root of what I want to retrieve is www.slackware.com/book which is a php beast. What I'm looking to do is 1. Retrieve the base page and follow all Next links, strip out all the extra crap on each page, retain and format the text, and store the result for printing. 2. I could do this with simple python tools for a normal html site, but the [EMAIL PROTECTED] slackware site doesn't respond to simple http requests; even the links are php commands. A browser, of course, can wade through this with ease, but I don't want to have to save each individual page as html just to format it. 3. All this work because the Slack folks don't provide a printable version. Any thoughts? -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [fsl-discuss] Eben on Microsoft vs. Free Software
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 16:10:44 -0800 Aaron Grewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At least now the global community is waking up and asking; Why do we have to upgrade every two years? Of course, then one has to ask Red Hat why we have to upgrade every year as well, And who needs RedHat? -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [fsl-discuss] Eben on Microsoft vs. Free Software
On Thu, 3 Apr 2003 20:19:44 -0600 Rick Sivernell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 I thought you were a Gentoo guy. What this slack 9.0 stuff grin I am, but I like to experiment with other distros as well. The current Slack offering is arguably the finest right alongside gentoo. There is still the problem of finding packages. Slack is much better that others in this respect, but nothing can compare with the horrendous number of packages ready for the taking on gentoo. At least ther's no RPM in sight, unless you choose to dive into that morass. -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: I need some Gentoo tips...
On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 18:26:45 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:59:38 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tom) wrote: Greets list, Jerry, Hey Bub... --snip-- The start-up scripts that reside in locations in the /etc/rc.d/r0X.d SYS4 format, say like Caldera or Redhat, then the system numbers are the ones you modify for networking and pcmcia are, for example Sorry, no such directory structure in Gentoo. I've got a /etc/init.d and/etc/runlevels. The runlevels directory has boot, default, gui, nonetwork and single... these directories contain links to the scripts in /etc/init.d. It appears that the links are executed in alphabetical order... no pcmcia resource is linked in /etc/runlevels... Really pita if you ask me. To cut down on the guesswork, visit the authoritative source at http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/rc-scripts.xml -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slack packages
On Tue, 1 Apr 2003 17:39:23 -0500 Chris Kassopulo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a group of libraries (all go in /usr/lib) that are older libc/libg++/etc to support things like phoenix nightly binaries. I could simply copy the to /usr/lib, but I would prefer to do this as a standard Slack package. I've tried 'makepkg', but that expects to find a makefile. Anyone care to help me out with that? makepkg will do what you want. Put everything in /home/collins/package/usr/local/lib, including links. cd to package Run makepkg phoenix_libs.tgz Answer y to both questions y to the first question will delete the links and create an install script, /home/collins/package/install/doinst.sh. The install script will create the links when you install the package. If you answer no the links are just copied into the package and no install script is created. The install script is the difference between a slackware package and a plain tarred archive. /home/collins/package/phoenix_libs.tgz is the slackware package. It is just a tarred file of everything under /home/collins/package. As root run installpkg phoenix_libs.tgz to install the package. Look at /var/log/packages/phoenix_libs to verify. As root run removepkg phoenix_libs to remove it. Very clear instructions, thanks. One more question. Does installpkg automatically do an ldconfig after you install something in /usr/lib or /usr/local/lib? Or do in need a postinstall script that does that? -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] Slackware List
On Tue, 01 Apr 2003 22:28:47 -0500 [EMAIL PROTECTED] (tom) wrote: Greets list, sorry about this... Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oops - I managed to wipe out the list of subscribers to my little Slackware list here at KurtWerks during an upgrade. :-\ If you're interesed in (re)subscribing, please visit http://www.kurtwerks.com/mailman/listinfo/slackware/ Sorry for the inconvenience. I learned how to back up my Mailman installation, so it's not a total loss. ;-) Thanks, Kurt Is the mailman working now? I've re-applied 2 or 3 times, but no replies from the list; that, or my fingers are too fat for typing :) ---tm--- Linux Registration Number; 184093, http://counter.li.org Worked for me. -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Memory leak ?
A user on another list observed that the memory in use in his system, goes up about 12k every second or so with phoenix in use. Lo and behold, I observed the same phenomenon on my system, but it's not phoenix. After rebooting my system with xfce, sylpheed and two aterm windows running (top in one), memory used goes up 8k at every iteration of top. There is also lpd and sshd in the system. Does top have a leak or an error in calculation? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slack 9.0 (done)
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 09:17:38 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Saturday 29 March 2003 10:28 am, someone claiming to be Collins Richey wrote: On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:51:43 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 March 2003 11:34 pm, someone claiming to be Collins wrote:snip Also, Kmail has a minor hitch. You only get to edit settings once without restarting. Interesting. There's a thread on comp.windows.x.kde about this, too. So you're not alone. The guy's a Slackware 9 user, too. Could be a problem with packaging? I don't have the problem with my compiled-from-source KDE 3.1.1+. Could be a bug that's been fixed and isn't in the package as supplied by Slack... I'm sure that's the case. Gentoo does really a superb job of ferreting out the right mixture of patches most of the time. I'm not really a KDE user, but given the fact that Slack doesn't have the setup for xfce as a standard offering, I chose to run KDE for the initial tinkering period. FYI, from a post on comp.windows.x.kde: quote from [EMAIL PROTECTED] Slackware ships the problematic kdelibs 3.1.0 - Qt 3.1.2 combination. Either downgrade Qt to 3.1.1 or better upgrade KDE/kdelibs to 3.1.1./quote Thanks, been there, done that yesterday. Not that I will be straying often into KDE. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slackware 9.0 (more)
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 21:20:24 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An unnamed Administration source, Collins Richey, wrote: % 4. Through google, I found a source of Slack packages. Sylpheed and % aterm are up and running. What's the source? It's pretty well hidden. I ddn't find it searching for slackware packages, but aterm slackware package brought it right up. http://slackpacks.tchelinux.com.br/ -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] Slackware List
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:36:09 -0500 rels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well ... I haven't gotten a chance to download Slackware yet anyway as originally planned. Hope to do so shortly. It's well worth the download; just plan on fixing KDE early on, if you're a KDE fan. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] Slackware List
On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 18:46:13 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Mon, 31 Mar 2003 11:36:09 -0500 rels [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh well ... I haven't gotten a chance to download Slackware yet anywayas originally planned. Hope to do so shortly. It's well worth the download; just plan on fixing KDE early on, if you're a KDE fan. What's the problem with kde? Seems to work here, but I just tried it for the first time. Yes it works mostly (no major failures for me), but the recommendation I got (someone else replied on this list) was either to downgrade qt or upgrade kde to kde 3.1.1, which is what I did. There are slack packages available. I removed everything arts*, kde*, and qt and installed the latest and greatest. OK if you have high speed internet. -- Collins - Slack 9.0 EXT3 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slack packages
I have a group of libraries (all go in /usr/lib) that are older libc/libg++/etc to support things like phoenix nightly binaries. I could simply copy the to /usr/lib, but I would prefer to do this as a standard Slack package. I've tried 'makepkg', but that expects to find a makefile. Anyone care to help me out with that? The final structure of the executables is: libc.so.5 libg++.so.2.7.2 libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libg++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 libstdc++-libc6.2-2.so.3 libstdc++.so.2.7.2 - libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.7.2.8 libstdc++.so.2.8 - libstdc++.so.2.8.0 libstdc++.so.2.8.0 If I do a cp -a thisdir/* /usr/lib followed by ldconfig, it works a-ok. The phoenix nightly binaries run without a hitch. As you can see from the above, there are 6 binary libraries (in the distribution tarball) and 3 symlinks. I've done some searches on google and found some sample makefiles, but they are all way too complex for me. What I need is a simple makefile that takes the 6 libraries above, copies them to /usr/lib and establishes the symlinks, all in response to a 'make install', I presume. The net effect would be a Slack package that I could add the appropriate verbage and offer up to others who are looking to do the same thing. The actual distribution of these libraries is available at a gentoo site. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Satellite Linux
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:57:49 -0700 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jemez Mountains, 45 miles west of Santa Fe NM. Ah, that's God's country! I lived in Santa Fe for 3+ years back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. NM is gorgeous country, but I seldom get back there any more. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Satellite Linux
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 11:58:21 -0700 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 10:57:49 -0700 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jemez Mountains, 45 miles west of Santa Fe NM. Ah, that's God's country! I lived in Santa Fe for 3+ years back when dinosaurs roamed the earth. NM is gorgeous country, but I seldom get back there any more. -- Collins ___ Yes, it's where I hope to remain for the rest of my days. Only problem is, we're still very dry. Fires will be even worse this year than last. I wish we'd gotten some of your snow. Wanna sell some? g Alas, the Denver sunshine (similar to the effect where you are) has taken it all away. If you get here with a truck real soon, you can have what's left in my back yard (North side) free for the taking! grin -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slack and root access to X server
I'm trying to install OpenOffice, and the script always dies unabble to access the X server - any clues? I've done xhost +localhost and even xhost +, but no dice. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slack and root access to X server
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 14:28:11 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, Mar 30, 2003 at 03:12:19PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: I'm trying to install OpenOffice, and the script always dies unabble to access the X server - any clues? I've done xhost +localhost and even xhost +, but no dice. Try ``xterm -l root -e slogin localhost'' or ``ssh -f -l root xterm''. This should give you root access with the proper X capabilities. You may have to edit the ssh_config and sshd_config files to turn X11 forwarding on. I find it far easier to run X clients with ssh than dealing with the $DISPLAY variable and xhosts, not to mention more secure (as if X without ssh were at all secure :-). Thanks. I circumvented the problem by logging in as root and starting xfce. In case anyone else tries this, the new (pretty much undocumented) way of installing OO in network mode is ./setup --interactive. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT?] Tux Makeover? Doah!
On Wed, 26 Mar 2003 21:14:57 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An unnamed Administration source, dep, wrote: % begin Condon Thomas A KPWA's quote: % | http://www.sjbaker.org/tux/homertux.html % % oh yeah! the guy who plays the lieutenant on the sex crimes version of % law order! I was thinking Al Jolson. I don't know about the rest of you, but I have to backup to the directory level to get any of the images, i.e. omit homertux.html. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] Slackware List
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 21:16:02 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 18:15:10 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It turns out, the answer is: X doesn't like the comment line. When I remove this, everything works. I never could find after going through the man files where the syntax for .Xdefaults is located. If someone could comment on that, I would love to hear about it. X uses ! to mark comments, not #. Could that have been your problem? Thanks, David, I am filing this away. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [OT] Slackware List
On Sun, 30 Mar 2003 17:21:47 -0800 Shawn Tayler [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey kurt, Got this back when I tried to subscribe. [ mail stuff snipped ] Ayup, me too. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slackware 9.0 (progress)
Well, it's been a really productive day. 1. Found the kde 3.1.1 slack packages on the kde site and rebuilt kde. I'm not much into kde, but it works when I need it. 2. Got phoenix nightly working with all plugins. The key to this is compatibility libraries which I ripped off my gentoo install. I seem to remember that there is a RedHat RPM with similar libraries. Don't leave home without it if you expect to use plugins. I imagine these libraries would work with a mozilla compiled with the older compiler as well. 3. Killed off sendmail, but I still need to do the same for inetd and portmapper, which I have no need for. 4. Printer working fine (lprng) after copying over my printcap and laserjet filter. And nary a cups in sight. I haven't found a non-kde mixer yet, but I can fall back on kmix for now. Interestingly enough, my sound card now works with the kernel modules as opposed to alsa! Kernel is 2.4.20 and I was on .19 before. A really fine distro, the best I have ever encountered other than gentoo. Mr. Volkerding and his troops deserve kudos. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 22:26:51 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An unnamed Administration source, dep, wrote: % begin Collins Richey's quote: % % | The sicko pacifists will puke over this one. The author's site is % | getting hammered with hits. % | % | Some of us support the troops. % % you'll find this, then, um, amusing. it is written by the chairman of % the kde league: % % http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=kde-cafem=104870620205766w=2 Gawd. Sounds like yer basic way too far right wing lunatic. Wonder if he wears aluminum foil in his cap? More likely to be your basic way too far left wing lunatic, but then is there that much difference at the extremes? He's definitely in communication with forces beyond the planetary orb. I get such a chuckle out of this tripe, but alas it's all too similar to some of the further out there opinions we've heard on this list, so some of us eat that stuff right up. All in all, it's like a Mother Jones issue on steroids. Anyway, I'm replying to the general list and suggest you do likewise. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 17:50:58 +1000 Keith Antoine [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 02:05 PM 27/03/2003 -0800, you wrote: I'm thinking about getting a lcd monitor. Are these supported by the 2.4.x kernel? If so, any recommendations or gotchas? What specs are important and what should I be looking for aside from the actual picture? For example, would the contrast ratio 500:1 be better than 350:1? Thanks, el lodger Its quite a while since I last looked at the specs and AFAIK that they are not LCD monitors but TFT. As such they differ in that each pixel is a transistor making up the whole display. early on they had real trouble with the burning out of some tranies, giving a 'measels' display and I did not buy one myself as I needed a 19 display for my 70+ eyes. They are also reported not to refresh well enough when watching movies. Actually the ones I've seen on display in the big box stores are much better showing movies than plain text!. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 06:50:41 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Do you feel a bit mislead, judging by the amount of resistance, and the lack of open-armed welcome by the Iraqis? Our intentions may be good, but something smells. Not in the least. I don't ever believe that massive groups of Arabs would invite the great Satan into their midst and welcome him with open arms. Nor do I believe that anyone in the administration would seriously believe this to be the case. The whole scenario is quite complex, and it's an over simplification to say it's the oil or it's the weapons of mass destruction or it's freedom for the Iraquis or it's Al Queda (sp?), etc. It's all of these things and more. Some aspects of the campaign are no doubt tied up with classified information that we are not privy to, and that's as it should be, although that irks the CIA baiters no end. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slack 9.0 (done)
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:51:43 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Friday 28 March 2003 11:34 pm, someone claiming to be Collins wrote:snip Also, Kmail has a minor hitch. You only get to edit settings once without restarting. Interesting. There's a thread on comp.windows.x.kde about this, too. So you're not alone. The guy's a Slackware 9 user, too. Could be a problem with packaging? I don't have the problem with my compiled-from-source KDE 3.1.1+. Could be a bug that's been fixed and isn't in the package as supplied by Slack... I'm sure that's the case. Gentoo does really a superb job of ferreting out the right mixture of patches most of the time. I'm not really a KDE user, but given the fact that Slack doesn't have the setup for xfce as a standard offering, I chose to run KDE for the initial tinkering period. The more serious problem is with X. I need to determine what to do about the flickering screen before I try it again. When I see that, I immediately think of potential monitor damage. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slack 9.0 and X
OK, it appears that Slack by default has installed the latest and greatest xfree86-4.3.0-i386-2. The version that I am using on gentoo (it works) is xfree-4.2.1-r2. I notice that XFree86-4.2.1.1 is available in the Slack 9.0 pasture directory. Several gentoo users have commented that 4.3.0 isn't all that stable. Note, I'm using the built-in support (yeah, it's not that great) for my gforce2MX rather than screwing around with the nvidia kernel support. How do I go about overlaying xfree on my Slack system? I was hoping to find info in the howto, but I didn't. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slack 9.0 and X
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 09:59:07 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK, it appears that Slack by default has installed the latest and greatest xfree86-4.3.0-i386-2. The version that I am using on gentoo (it works) is xfree-4.2.1-r2. I notice that XFree86-4.2.1.1 is available in the Slack 9.0 pasture directory. Several gentoo users have commented that 4.3.0 isn't all that stable. Note, I'm using the built-in support (yeah, it's not that great) for my gforce2MX rather than screwing around with the nvidia kernel support. How do I go about overlaying xfree on my Slack system? I was hoping to find info in the howto, but I didn't. OK, I did find on google: 1. Become root 2. cd to directory with package.tgz 3. Run installpkg package.tgz Does this overlay a prior (and higher) installed version? Do I need to remove the higher level package first? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Sat, 29 Mar 2003 11:24:49 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To quote another great writer and politician, W. Churchill: They had to choose between dishonor and war. They chose dishonor, and they shall have war. Wow! I've always been a fan of Churchill, but I never heard that one. This one goes in my scrapbook! -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slackware 9.0 (more)
Well now, things are looking up. 1. Solved my X problem. I could have sworn that I moved by XF86Config file to Slack, but lo and behold it was not what I was using. Now corrected; flicker gone. 2. Slack gets a big A+ for detecting my sound card automatically and for setting up CD writer automatically. 3. Slack gets a B+ for settting up my printer almost. Printer support is activated, but my LJ1100 just sits there with a blinking light, which means that the wrong type data is arriving. I looked, and it doesn't appear that Ghostscript is on board, so I'm not surprised that this doesn't work. 4. Through google, I found a source of Slack packages. Sylpheed and aterm are up and running. 5. Now the search begins in earnest to get Phoenix up and going. The phoenix nightlies (binaries) require older compatibility C++ and libc5 and libc6 libraries in order to work with all the plugins that aren't yet up to current compiler/library standards. Gentoo has all this packaged(lib-compat). Is there any equivalent in the way of a Slack package? 6. Slack gets a B+ for providing a usable, but not quite up to snuff version of KDE. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slackware 9.0
On Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:38:13 -0700 bof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: OK, I've freed up a partition to experiment with this, but how do I download and burn a CD? There are now Slackware 9.0 .iso's out. See http://www.abnormalpenguin.com/slackware-mirrors.php If you can get onto any of the sites, that is. ;-) Thanks, and thank heavens for Belgium! Unless the cable tightens up, should be done in about 2hrs+. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slack 9.0 (done)
The really should call it Slick instead of Slack! About 3.5 hours to download, burn, install (full), boot, add user, and start KDE. Not half bad. -- Collins - Slack 9.0 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slack 9.0 (done)
On Friday 28 March 2003 09:25 pm, Ken Moffat wrote: Collins wrote: The really should call it Slick instead of Slack! About 3.5 hours to download, burn, install (full), boot, add user, and start KDE. Not half bad. No problems on the install? Not really any. Something is amiss with X, however. I'm using the same XF86Config as before, but I'm getting some flicker. Will have to boot back to gentoo and verify. Also, Kmail has a minor hitch. You only get to edit settings once without restarting. -- Collins - Slack 9.0 -- Collins - Slack 9.0 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slackware 9.0
OK, I've freed up a partition to experiment with this, but how do I download and burn a CD? The readme file on the Slack site suggests using mkisofs to do this and has the complete mkisofs command, but how do you get there from here? The readme says get into the top level Slackware directory. Does this mean you have first to download and duplicate the complete directory tree as it appears on the ftp site before you can do the mkisofs? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 17:29:15 -0500 (EST) Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003, el lodger wrote: I'm thinking about getting a lcd monitor. Are these supported by the 2.4.x kernel? If so, any recommendations or gotchas? What specs are important and what should I be looking for aside from the actual picture? For example, would the contrast ratio 500:1 be better than 350:1? the kernel doesn't provide monitor support, X provides that support. But yes, they're supported in XFree86-4.x. I don't know anything about constrast ratios. I'd think that the maximum resolution would be key. X is only concerned with the vertical/horizontal specs and the resolution - LCD or standard monitor. The higher the contrast ratio the better. As far as I remember, the LCD jobs are designed to be operated only at the stated maximum resolution. Any lower resolution will result in poor display quality. I recommend ViewSonic for everything, but I have no actual experience with the LCD monitors. After agonizing for months, I decided to get a 19 ViewSonic A90f+ monitor ($279) rather than the equivalent size LCD unit ($600++). It's a big improvement over my old 17 monitor. The diplay is sharper at 1280x1024 than may old monitor was at 1024x768. Of course, I needed to increase font sizes for the browser and sylpheed. YMMV. Of course, if you have limited desk space, that could tilt the equation. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Slackware 9.0
[ snips ] On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:48:47 -0700 bof [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: OK, I've freed up a partition to experiment with this, but how do I download and burn a CD? But since the -x listings need not be burned onto the CD, they also do not need be downloaded --- why take time to download something you will not use? I did download the rootdisk and extra directories, as there was stuff on them that I wanted even if I did not put them on the CD. So you do not need download the entire directory tree, just the stuff you want to use. As a minimum, you'll need the isolinux, kernels and slackware directories. Many thanks; will try it. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
[ snips ] On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:37 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and Wow, we wouldn't want to start a trend! (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, goes around I guess. :-) I've tinkered with Slack before; it may have been my first distro as well (searches through the cobwebs; way back in the 386 days). This time I'll bug (not too hard, right?) enough people on the list to get it working properly. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 15:48:07 -0800 el lodger [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [ snips ] This is what I wanted to know. My, soon to be, 60 year old eyes don't take kindly to strain and small fonts. I currently have a 19 crt and the price of 18+ lcds does give me pause. Thanks Collins, Alas, I'm a few months ahead of you - 60 in January. My eyes certainly want bigger fonts. Also, whenever possible I configure everything to replace the brilliant white backgrounds with a pale color - much easier on the eyes. -- Collins -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Why doesn't .Xdefaults work
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:13:48 +0100 Norbert Augenstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 22, 2003 at 03:30:32PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: I'm not sure how long this has been going on, but it's got me buffaloed. I have the following in ~/.Xdefaults, and this used to work: # this is .Xdefaults aterm*background '#e0' ... aterm*savedLines 500 suggest using colons Previous hint (Llama) was check ~/.xsession-errors, but absolutely nothing in that file. What do you mean by use colons? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:10:57 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 18:54 pm, Collins Richey wrote: I've tinkered with Slack before; it may have been my first distro as well (searches through the cobwebs; way back in the 386 days). This time I'll bug (not too hard, right?) enough people on the list to get it working properly. Actually I remember that Slackware came up easily the first time I tried it back in 1994 or so... and I had two SCSI controllers in my machine and I remember having to give the boot process for the install the parameters for the 2nd controller. But they had a good booklet that came with the distro that explained all that. Seems pretty fantastic now what with all the problems people (and myself) can run into trying to do an install... Good luck! And as a PS... right after getting Slack installed I tried RH at around 4.3? Had some problems and it took 6 weeks to get a response out of their support... by that time it was in the trash. :-) Never have been able to have much success with RH since. RH 4.3 is the only RH distro I've tried, and it worked reliably for me. As was the case with any distro other than gentoo (debian doesn't count because I never made the effort to understand the distro), I got tired of searching for and retrofitting software (RPM hell, etc.). It would never occur to me to look for support with the vendor; that's what we're all for!!! Even Caldera in it's heyday wasn't very responsive with support. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:16:07 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 19:02 pm, el lodger wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:11:37 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Gee Collins, we agree on something!! I too recommend Viewsonic and I'm using a Viewsonic VE800 (18inch) LCD monitor as I type this. Connecting it to SuSE 8.0 was no problem... it self configured itself and you are right, it wants to run at its max resolution of 1280x1024. The look and feel of it 'might' be a bit better than a tube monitor but not enough for me to really be worth the difference in price. (and here I am with a gentoo CD I'm going to play with and you're off playing with Slackware... (my first linux distro) ) What comes around, Marshall, let me know how the Xconfig goes with your gentoo! el lodger Well maybe Collins or someone else can tell me this... I downloaded the 194MB cd to do the install but I only have a 56KB dialup line (24/7 tho) and I'm wondering what kind of time it is going to take to get it all together? People seem to say that it takes broadband in which case it may not even be a starter. But I think I'll at least get it started so I can see what it looks like. Every night I could load up a pretty large chunk of it. Am I crazy? (to try gentoo...) Well, one of the gentoo developers still uses dialup. During the install you can do 'emerge-p system file' and use the list to generate a script with 'emerge--fetchonly' commands to download the stuff overnight(s). I would suspect 1-2 nights just to get everything. One the downloads are done, then you can issue 'emerge system' for real. Of course, that's only the base system(no X, etc.). Downloading X, KDE, Mozilla, Gnome, Gimp, etc. over dialup is going to be painfully s-l-o-w. Since you already have a running system, you can do the gentoo work from the chroot environment - just let it chug along until it's done while you enjoy doing something else. With dialup, it's going to take you a couple of weeks to get a normal system going. Once you've suffered through that, you'll like the system. Most of the upgrades after that will be less painful, until one of the biggies comes along again. I never tried gentoo until I had cable, so it was not so bad for me. I can rebuild a system in about 2+ days. Not quite the same as RH, Mandrake, etc. YMMV. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 18:23:29 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 19:10:57 -0500 Bruce Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 27 March 2003 18:54 pm, Collins Richey wrote: I've tinkered with Slack before; it may have been my first distro as well (searches through the cobwebs; way back in the 386 days). This time I'll bug (not too hard, right?) enough people on the list to get it working properly. Actually I remember that Slackware came up easily the first time I tried it back in 1994 or so... and I had two SCSI controllers in my machine and I remember having to give the boot process for the install the parameters for the 2nd controller. But they had a good booklet that came with the distro that explained all that. Seems pretty fantastic now what with all the problems people (and myself) can run into trying to do an install... Good luck! And as a PS... right after getting Slack installed I tried RH at around 4.3? Had some problems and it took 6 weeks to get a response out of their support... by that time it was in the trash. :-) Never have been able to have much success with RH since. RH 4.3 is the only RH distro I've tried, and it worked reliably for me. As was the case with any distro other than gentoo (debian doesn't count because I never made the effort to understand the distro), I got tired of searching for and retrofitting software (RPM hell, etc.). It would never occur to me to look for support with the vendor; that's what we're all for!!! Even Caldera in it's heyday wasn't very responsive with support. Oops, RH 7.3 !!! -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 20:41:55 -0600 Bill Day [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I received this on a automotive list I'm on... It is in Shockwave, but if you can give it a look.. http://www.teasquadron.com/Soldiers.html Bill Day Wow! The sicko pacifists will puke over this one. The author's site is getting hammered with hits. Some of us support the troops. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: lcd monitors and linux
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:00:55 -0500 Leon Goldstein [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Getting back on topic: I've been looking (i.e. staring) at LCD's at Best Buy etc. I'm just not impressed with the clarity of the characters. I guess they are intended for people who like graphics, but for text work, a $120 17 CRT has a sharper text display than a $800 LCD of equivalent size. Of course, I have not seen a Sharp brand LCD. These are supposed to be the ultimate LCD's. I think LCD's are the ultimate for space savings and easy portability, but you are 100% right: the text quality is nothing to write home about. Even the ViewSonic LCD unit is not the equal of a ViewSonic monitor. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: OT We won't back down...
On Thu, 27 Mar 2003 21:29:38 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Collins Richey's quote: | The sicko pacifists will puke over this one. The author's site is | getting hammered with hits. | | Some of us support the troops. you'll find this, then, um, amusing. it is written by the chairman of the kde league: http://marc.theaimsgroup.com/?l=kde-cafem=104870620205766w=2 -- Yeah, pretty standard Bush bashing, conspiracy in every pot and two under every rock, etc. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Slackware 9.0 (more)
I see that gcc 3.2.2 is now the compiler. Does Slack offer the compatibility-libs for running phoenix nightly (and other) binary builds? Phoenix, mozilla, etc. compile and run fine with 3.2.2, but the various plugins don't work with the new compiler, so I'm sticking with the binary builds. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: glibc - what is the stable release?
On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 18:57:03 -0500 Klaus-Peter Schrage [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Net Llama! wrote: Now, Red Hat 8.0 already has 2.3.2 (-4.80) via up2date, which is a bignuisance to the wine people (and me as a wine addict): wine simply won'trun under glib 2.3.x, and it seems to be quite a hassle to make it rununder the new glibc. do you know why it won't run? i use wine occasionally, so this might be an issue. See http://www.winehq.org/news/?view=155 Too bad this is a private server: Forbidden You don't have permission .. There have been more discussions in several threads on the wine-devel list. Klaus a little rant This is one of the reasons that progress is so slow in the free software environment. Every other time they upgrade pick a major gnu or linux software function, it renders everything (or large portions) obsolete and unusable for a while. Changing the calling sequence or returns from a favorite function, or function abc() is now deprecated, and everyone needs to use abc_d(), etc. It matters not whether it's glibc, XFree, KDE, or GNOME - they always reinvent the wheel and change the rules. I've been spoiled working in the IBM mainframe software arena for most of my adult life. When you upgrade from one IBM OS release to another, most of the time you don't even need to recompile/reassemble unless you want to exploit some new functionality. /a little rant ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mighty Quiet Here
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:57:33 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An unnamed Administration source, Ken Moffat, wrote: % Kurt Wall wrote: % % Mighty quiet here. Everyone must be busy installing Slackware 9.0. ;-) % % K % % % I'm busy playing with Libranet 2.8 beta 2. nice. (if you like debian % with a great installer and lots of up to date packages.) % % How's the install on Slack9? 'bout the same as it was in Slackware 8.0 and 8.1. Different packages, naturally, and the network configuration stuff is slightly different, but not much else has change. Still thinking about it. I need to get off my duff and put a larger hard drive in my machine first, so that I have room for proper backup. BTW, the network configuration stuff is where I always fall over the cliff with Slack (or debian for that matter). Hows about a brief howto that explains how the networking stuff works on Slack? Yeah, I know I could RTFM, but I usually can't figure out which FM. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mighty Quiet Here
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:33:35 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Collins Richey's quote: | Yeah, I know I could RTFM, but I usually can't figure out which FM. i've been after babelfish to add man page as a language, but they say it can't be done, in that *no one* has deciphered man page. there is hope that a rock will be found containing sanskrit, ancient greek, and man page, which could prove to be a valuable key. -- Point well taken, but I believe that others may agree that (1) finding the appropriate FM (man page) is not always straight forward and (2) the occasional man page is about as decipherable as sanskrit. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mighty Quiet Here
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 11:11:56 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 12:33:35 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Collins Richey's quote: | Yeah, I know I could RTFM, but I usually can't figure out which FM. i've been after babelfish to add man page as a language, but they say it can't be done, in that *no one* has deciphered man page. there is hope that a rock will be found containing sanskrit, ancient greek, and man page, which could prove to be a valuable key. -- Point well taken, but I believe that others may agree that (1) finding the appropriate FM (man page) is not always straight forward and (2) the occasional man page is about as decipherable as sanskrit. And (3) each distro stows away its critical stuff in /etc and elsewhere in strange and wondrous ways that are not immediately obvious unless you have in depth experience with that particular distro. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mighty Quiet Here
On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:40:01 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: An unnamed Administration source, Collins Richey, wrote: % On Sun, 23 Mar 2003 10:57:33 -0500 % Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [...] % BTW, the network configuration stuff is where I always fall over % the cliff with Slack (or debian for that matter). Hows about a % brief howto that explains how the networking stuff works on Slack? % Yeah, I know I could RTFM, but I usually can't figure out which FM. Most of the network configuration stuff happens in /etc/rc.d/rc.inet1 and /etc/rc.d/rc.inet2. Thanks, Kurt. Will file away to use when I try Slack again. I just got my disks reorg'd, gentoo updated, and a good backup, so maybe next week I'll be ready to play again. I still need a larger hard drive, but I found space for a new install. Also, my new 19 ViewSonic is up and flying. Life is better with a little more screen real estate. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Alternate backup strategies
Does anyone have experience with using an external drive (USB or
firewire, perhaps) for backup and releveant howto, preferences, etc.?
These beasties are fairly cheap, but do they work well with linux?
Oops, part II: How about DVD-R{etc.}?
I intended to send this out here, but it went to Gentoo instead (thank
you Dr. Freud!). I got some responses recommending Firewire (loves it)
and others inquiring about writable DVD support.
What experience have you guys and gals with this?
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Why doesn't .Xdefaults work
I'm not sure how long this has been going on, but it's got me buffaloed. I have the following in ~/.Xdefaults, and this used to work: # this is .Xdefaults aterm*background '#e0' aterm*foreground blue aterm*font vga11x19 aterm*loginShell True aterm*savedLines 500 Now it is ignored for all of my window managers - kde, xfce, xxxbox, wmaker, and all I get an ugly little bright white window that is not even invoked as a login shell. I've also tried this as ~/.Xdefaults-hostname, but no difference. As a temporary workaround, I have atstart, but I shouldn't have to do this: #!/bin/bash aterm -bg '#e0' -fg blue -font vga11x19 -ls Any ideas? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: GENTOO... whay cool...
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 23:57:32 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:12:10 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --snip-- Life in Denver has now turned to the white side - 1+ foot on the ground and 1+ more expected overnight. My daughter is overjoyed by two days off school. Two feet and only missing 2 days of school? Hmmm... We get 3 inches here and life comes to a stand still... total silence... hell... even the snow plows venture with care... :') It's looking more like 3 days off at this point. I've got about 3 feet in my front yard (southerly winds and drifts). The airport is shutdown. I have to shovel a tunnel every 3 hours for the dog to go pee. We only get a storm like this one every 10 years or so. Fortunately I stood in the long lines to get in some grocieries Monday night, so we're all set. I have a home work setup with my marvelous (g) Win2K laptop and the cable connection, so I can get done what I need to. I imagine it will be a minimal staff on duty or shutdown today at work. Just learned that the bus system has shutdown (all 12 buses they tried at 5AM got stuck). At least the radio has a new topic to replace people grumbling about GWB! Stay safe. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: GENTOO... whay cool...
On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 20:12:51 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 16:44:31 -0700 Andrew Mathews [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh no... here goes Collins. g It isn't all that bad... :') The darkside has merits. Seriously, I'm gonna have to try it, what with all the praises. Only question, is it XFS filesystem enabled? It's there, you just have to take a few extra steps when you install... Be sure to print the install instructions before you go off-line and a high speed connection wouldn't hurt either. Yep, gentoo has every imaginable variety of kernel, including XFS, but in fairness to the curmudgeon, it's not fully LSB compliant, nor is it likely to be until LSB comes up with a sensible approach for multiple versions of KDE, etc. Life on the dark side is pretty good, but I wouldn't want to try it without a high speed internet connection. Interestingly enough, one of the gentoo core developers worked via modem last time I knew. Life in Denver has now turned to the white side - 1+ foot on the ground and 1+ more expected overnight. My daughter is overjoyed by two days off school. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Simple security question
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 22:33:08 -0500 Joel Hammer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes. Port 6000 allows anyone to attach to your X-server. And the effect of this would be? I'm not trying to be a wise ass, I just don't understand all of this. xdmcp also allows people to get a login screen to your box. Anybody could dump stuff to your printer, too. I do not know what is listening to 32768. I do not know what wdm is. wdm is the login manager (an extended xdm) If you want, I could run nmap against your server for your. This stuff cool. is all easy to hide from the world, BTW. Joel Sun, Mar 16, 2003 at 06:45:09PM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: Simple security question. I don't do anything special for security, but I got curious enough to issue `lsof -i` just for grins. COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME lpd 997 lp6u IPv4 2805 TCP *:printer (LISTEN) wdm 1146 root4u IPv4 3243 UDP *:xdmcp wdm 1146 root5u IPv4 3244 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) X 1149 root1u IPv4 3249 TCP *:6000 (LISTEN) wdm 1150 root5u IPv4 3244 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) Given the few ports that are actually listening, do I have much to worry about? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Sound Servers on Linux - What the?
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 06:57:26 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tim Wunder wrote: The most obvious question is, do you have a cable connecting the CD player to the sound card? Don't disregard this. Windows will play cd's without the cable for some reason, so just because it works in windows . -- And the other common problem: do you have the CD setting unmuted in the mixer? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: CONSIDER IT
On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 11:29:51 -0500 David A. Bandel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sun, 16 Mar 2003 00:22:44 -0500 uka kalu [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: FROM:Mr.UKA KALU, AUDITING AND ACCOUNTING UNIT ECO BANK PLC OF NIGERIA. [snip] I can't believe this Nigerian scam made it to the list. It makes it to a lot of other lists, too. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Simple security question
Simple security question. I don't do anything special for security, but I got curious enough to issue `lsof -i` just for grins. COMMAND PID USER FD TYPE DEVICE SIZE NODE NAME lpd 997 lp6u IPv4 2805 TCP *:printer (LISTEN) wdm 1146 root4u IPv4 3243 UDP *:xdmcp wdm 1146 root5u IPv4 3244 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) X 1149 root1u IPv4 3249 TCP *:6000 (LISTEN) wdm 1150 root5u IPv4 3244 TCP *:32768 (LISTEN) Given the few ports that are actually listening, do I have much to worry about? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 21:04:00 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 17:49:52 -0500 Jerry McBride [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, it looks like I'll be spending some effort to swap out some OpenLinux boxes pretty soon. Principles you know... Can someone tell me, which of the various distributions are closest to OpenLinux in as far as directory locations and system V startup scripts? Well... I've come to the conclusion that gentoo is the next OS for use here at home. It's... self hosting, highly configurable and a ton of fun. What I find most useful of all... nearly 4000 packages are available for it. It'll take a bit of effort to see how it fits into business setting... but it looks very promising. That said, good night all. Welcome to the dark side! grin ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Phoenix and Realplayer
Does anyone now how to get realplayer to work with phoenix? I've got RealPlayer8 installed, and it works fine with konqueror (realplay is launched and plays the recording). Phoenix about:plugins shows that it recognizes the realplay plugin - everything looks correct. Everytime I select a realplay recording, I get an error box saying that the item can't be opened, and it looks like it's trying to open it with realplay. Any ideas? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Parallel Port - SUSE 8.1
On Fri, 14 Mar 2003 09:04:54 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The device is /dev/lp0 and, if there is a second port, /dev/lp1 At least on my linux, which is not SuSE. On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 23:00:10 -0700 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey all, I installed SUSE 8.1 on a AMD Duron box. When I installed it, I had the parallel stuff disabled in the BIOS. Now, I need to use the parallel port. I have enabled the parallel port in the BIOS to SPP, EPP, ECP, etc. I have recompiled the kernel to support parport and the parallel port. When I try to look in the YAST hardware configure stuff, no parallel port is listed. I have so far not found a way to configure it from the managers provided with SUSE. I do see the parport driver loading from dmesg. I want to use the port for a parallel scanner. I am going to try it through VMWARE and NT first. But, without it being recognized by the OS, I am not sure VMWARE will be able to connect to it. First off, which mode do I use SPP, ECP, EPP, EPP+ECP? Second, which device should I use? /dev/parport0?? Lastly, how do I get SUSE to acknowledge that the parallel port exists - or do I have to? If dmesg indicates that the parallel port is detected and /dev/lp0 exists, you shouldn't need to do anything else. Hook up a printer and give it a try. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: File Type Not Supported
On Thu, 13 Mar 2003 16:46:26 -0800 Net Llama! [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 03/13/03 13:28, Condon Thomas A KPWA wrote: Folks, I think I have a demented install. I'm trying to mount a floppy drive and it keeps telling me File type not supported by kernel. VFAT?!? I thought all modern kernels supported that. Is there a simple (for the simple-minded amongst us) way to get the kernel to support extra files systems? A module I can add or whatever? msdos/windoze floppies are never vfat filesystems. they're fat or msdos filesystem. Is it possible you are trying to mount an uninitialized or corrupted floppy? -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: User login hangs system
On Wed, 12 Mar 2003 17:44:38 -0800 Aaron Grewell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Warning: Kernel BIOS return differing head/sector geometries for device 0x81Kernel: 62749 cylinders, 16 heads, 63 sectors BIOS: 1023 cylinders, 255 heads, 63 sectors Lilo still finishes and I'm still able to boot into my gentoo and libranet system. ___ Did you repartition before installing Gentoo? It shouldn't matter, but if your old partition table from the previous OS install used a different drive geometry (due to changes in BIOS or kernel) than the new one you would have strange behaviour. I have had this happen once with a drive I transplanted from an ancient machine to a new one without repartitioning. That's not what the error indicates, but it might be worth looking into. ___ Also I've gotten really bad results if I forgot to reboot after repartitioning (you are warned by fdisk to do so) before trying to make a fs. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
On Sun, 9 Mar 2003 10:29:25 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 15:20:59 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm surprised that no one has done it yet. It would not be a matter of rocket science to distribute a gentoo based distribution from one or more (different architecture) base home system. Creating binary update packages and/or complete replacement tarballs for distribution on CD would be a relatively trivial undertaking. Binary update CDs could include a script to tailor anything desired. The complete replacement CDs would only require relatively trivial modifications to the gentoo Livecd. I know that the binary update part of Gentoo would be OK. The problem is the initial install. It is not something one would want to do on a regular basis to many systems. It is this that I think is the major stumbling block for production use. Yes, I was not clear enough. What I was suggesting was to install gentoo once (per machine image, P3, Athlon, etc.) on your base system(s) and then to make a tarball of those systems to distribute to customers on CD. You would then keep the mother system(s) up to date and distribute new CDs at whatever interval you deem appropriate. Alternatively, for updates you could distribute the updates as binary ebuilds. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:57:43 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 05:49:52PM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: Well, it looks like I'll be spending some effort to swap out some OpenLinux boxes pretty soon. Principles you know... Can someone tell me, which of the various distributions are closest to OpenLinux in as far as directory locations and system V startup scripts? We've moved to SuSE 8.1, and I've been quite happy with it overall. They've moved away from the mongo rc.config file (and we're building all of our stuff using openpkg so don't run afoul of any of their packages). SuSE has a very nice method of dealing with the SYSV startup where dependencies can be specified in the master startup in /etc/init.d, then the ``inssrv'' program will figure out what has to start in order to make sure things are done in the proper order. They've finally caught up with gentoo grin I haven't had any problems with yast2, and it has an ncurses mode that works quite well from non GUI sessions. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:02:50 -0500 dep [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: begin Collins Richey's quote: | They've finally caught up with gentoo grin they're a pain in the ass, but they're not *that* bad. Filing away in my almost humor folder. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
More SCO News
SuSE Is Reevaulating Our Relationship with SCO Group. http://linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2003-03-07-023-26-NW-CD-SS At least someone in the SCO group has a little common sense! -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:09:12 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:02:50AM -0500, dep wrote: begin Collins Richey's quote: | They've finally caught up with gentoo grin they're a pain in the ass, but they're not *that* bad. I haven't tried gentoo, LFS, or any of the other do-it-yourself forms of Linux, primarily because I would rather spend my time building things on top of a working distribution. It's enough of a problem keeping up with new releases of software, and still have time for development and support of our own stuff. And there is no pressing reason for you to consider the DIY distros, since you have a commercial enterprise and since the package costs of any of any commercial distro is moderate in comparison to M$. Interestingly enough, even Dan Robbins (gentoo) does not recommend his distro for a server environment (although quite a few folks are running rock solid gentoo servers.) In my case (desktop user and tinkerer and occaisonal curmudgeon) I don't spend much time getting a working distro (gentoo) because it's done once (well twice in 3 years), and then I can spend my time building things on top of a working distribution. When I do get the urge to tinker, I usually try something new (for me) in a spare partition, but I always wind up back at gentoo. With the possible exception of SuSE, none of the commercial vendors seem to be interested in making available a very large, current software inventory. Rather than waiting for RH, SuSE, Mandrake, et al to cobble up a new distro to sell me, I rely on the small army of DIY developers at gentoo to keep me supplied with more software than I can possibly find time to experiment with. Obviously, my approach is not going to help commercial vendors sell their wares! We don't make any money selling Linux itself so we now buy SuSE from our local CompUSA store rather than go through distribution, and make sure that our business sales rep. at CompUSA is aware of this in hopes that this encourages them to continue to keep it in stock as an alternative to Red Hat. That's a good approach. For the same reason, I like to buy from local computer sellers rather than mail order unless there is a really significant price differential. I did order my scanner from Dell, however, because only the local big box stors carried it, and they wanted an arm and a leg. One of the primary reasons I like Linux and FreeBSD is that this type of thing is a lot easier to do than to convince a proprietary vendor to make their source code available to outsiders to fix. Open Source works because there are thousands of knowledgeable people working on problems that they need to have work, feeding their results back into the system. Ayup! Seldom do I encounter a problem (gentoo specific or package specific) that the gentoo-user list cannot answer hundreds of times faster than a commercial help desk. The same can be said of other smaller distro specific user groups. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
[ snips ] On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:13:25 +0100 Roger Oberholtzer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 07:54:24 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 22:57:43 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Mar 07, 2003 at 05:49:52PM -0500, Jerry McBride wrote: Well, it looks like I'll be spending some effort to swap out some OpenLinux boxes pretty soon. Principles you know... SuSE has a very nice method of dealing with the SYSV startup where dependencies can be specified in the master startup in /etc/init.d, then the ``inssrv'' program will figure out what has to start in order to make sure things are done in the proper order. They've finally caught up with gentoo grin Same here, at home. I am now itching to contribute ebuild scripts for various packages. I am, happily, a convert. The problem is that it simply is not a system you can realistically install on production systems scattered around the globe - especially if they are in vans roving the highways and byways. A stable CD-based install is needed. I suspect we will be SuSE or RedHat in due time. I'm surprised that no one has done it yet. It would not be a matter of rocket science to distribute a gentoo based distribution from one or more (different architecture) base home system. Creating binary update packages and/or complete replacement tarballs for distribution on CD would be a relatively trivial undertaking. Binary update CDs could include a script to tailor anything desired. The complete replacement CDs would only require relatively trivial modifications to the gentoo Livecd. You could do updates and quality control on the home base (seed) systems. You could charge for 3-6 month update cycles. If you setup the client's systems to have /home and at least two partitions big enough for the root file system, you could install complete replacements and be confident that the customer would always have a backup available. If the customer has a reliable communications path, you could even supply them with a script to download everything from your base site. If you were to publish a recommend set of hardware for the clients, you could keep the permutations and combinations down to an acceptable number. Ah well, that's the difference between the dreamers and the RedHats of this world! But be warned. Our company seems to be the kiss of death. Every OS we embrace seems to go awry ... I am afraid to break the news to all in my company that OpenLinux is over. OpenLinux was over before it ever started. Even when Caldera was running the show, before the SCO merger, the handwriting was on the wall. Caldera never understood the power of its user group. Rejecting input from its loyal users and grudgingly excepting any recommendations from same were just signs of the basic rot. I've said before that Caldera was basically a very closed source, closed minded, unsharing company that just coincidentally happened to market open systems. My only sympathy is for the hundreds of employees and thousands of users they've screwed over. ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: What's after OpenLinux?
On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 16:14:22 -0500 Brett I. Holcomb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Roger Oberholtzer wrote: On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:09:12 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Mar 08, 2003 at 10:02:50AM -0500, dep wrote: begin Collins Richey's quote: But that is exactly what gentoo is! It is very stable. Packages are deemed stable or experimental by the package author, the person who makes the ebuild for gentoo, and the gentoo user community. Yes! I am so glad never to see RPM - I just emerge sync, emerge -up world and I see what I need to do. I've been using Gentoo for a couple of months God, I wish I'd said that! Wait a minute, I did say that. You better watch it, Brett. They'll put you in the same plonk file with me! grin -- Collins -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Caldera Sues IBM
On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 08:22:44 -0500 Kurt Wall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bastards. I'm going to throw away every piece of Caldera software I own. It's filthy and I refuse to soil my hands or to foul my home with it. I'm one step ahead of you. I threw it all out a year ago! Support Slackware or gentoo. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Caldera Sues IBM
On Fri, 07 Mar 2003 18:46:38 -0800 Ken Moffat [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Collins Richey wrote: Support Slackware or gentoo. any particular reason for these choices? (I like libranet/debian) Nothing wrong with that. I also forgot to mention LFS. Going over my preferences usually turns into flame bait, but here goes (in no particular order): 1. I've always preferred the path least trodden, if it's not too painful. 2. I don't really like RPM. I don't really understand debpkg stuff. 3. I don't like to search for software packages (especially RPMs, since they usually don't work without tweaking on whatever distro I happen to be running). 4. I don't like to pay for the big commercial distros, since I can get what I need free of charge. Caldera OpenLinux was the last distro I paid for. 5. I don't really understand Debian (I did create a disk based distro from Knoppix, but I couldn't figure it out and didn't want to spend the time. Sheer laziness on my part.) Also, I have to grit my teeth everytime I encounter GNU-Linux. Bah humbug. 6. Even Slackware is a little more difficult to understand, but I would rather support one of the old stand-bys than GNU-Linux. 7. Gentoo has the best general availability of packages that I can install with minimal effort (hm? is there a pattern here?) 8. LFS is good, too, but there's the matter of needing to put a fair amount of work into maintaining and locating packages. Yep, the pattern is holding true. and finally 9. There is no perfect distro. Whatever floats your boat. -- Collins ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Interesting XFS note
I know that most people on this list consider XFS to be rock-solid reliable, but I keep reading from time to time that it is not perfect. Excerpt from a recent posting on Gentoo. - From C. Candell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to emerge xfs-sources for support XFS of filesystems. I've been using XFS for a few months now, but I wouldnt use it on a computer which is not connected to a UPS since I've had a few nasty accidents with XFS where shutting down in the middle of an emerge has left my system crippled (on a computer NOT on a UPS). If you have a UPS then I suggest you give the XFS filesystem a try... but please make sure to read more about it, since you can loose data if you are not careful and do a hard shutdown in the middle of something important. - PS: I'm not trying to start an fs war (I have nothing against XFS, other than the fact that it's not yet part of the stable kernel) - just reporting feedback. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Interesting XFS note
On Friday 28 February 2003 09:44 pm, Net Llama! wrote: All i'm taking from this excerpt is that something is very badly broken in the way that Gentoo impliments XFS. Unless there's some explanation on what an 'emerge' would do that is possible on other distros? The emerge has nothing to do with XFS, per se. Emerge is the gentoo package manager. This appears to be a one-off report. On 02/28/03 20:42, Collins wrote: I know that most people on this list consider XFS to be rock-solid reliable, but I keep reading from time to time that it is not perfect. Excerpt from a recent posting on Gentoo. - From C. Candell [EMAIL PROTECTED] You need to emerge xfs-sources for support XFS of filesystems. I've been using XFS for a few months now, but I wouldnt use it on a computer which is not connected to a UPS since I've had a few nasty accidents with XFS where shutting down in the middle of an emerge has left my system crippled (on a computer NOT on a UPS). If you have a UPS then I suggest you give the XFS filesystem a try... but please make sure to read more about it, since you can loose data if you are not careful and do a hard shutdown in the middle of something important. - PS: I'm not trying to start an fs war (I have nothing against XFS, other than the fact that it's not yet part of the stable kernel) - just reporting feedback. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: [linux-elitists] RedHat drops the other shoe
On Thursday 27 February 2003 08:13 am, Net Llama! wrote: My $deity, its horrifying that Redhat actually wants to make a profit! Such bastards. Sorry, but i don't see how this is a bad thing. Granted, i haven't seen the actual email in question, but i suspect that ftp://updates.redhat.com will remain freely accessible, and that anyone wanting automagic updates would have to pay. Getting a service usually means paying for said service. The fact that Redhat provided it gratis for this long should be commended. On Thu, 27 Feb 2003, Shawn McMahon wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Well, well. My one and only Red Hat system is also my one and only Red Hat Network free subscription. RH just sent me an email stating that I have 7 days to fill out a survey to extend my demo account another 60 days. The implication in the email is that after that 60 days, there are no freebies any longer. Fortunately I have apt-rpm on there and don't use up2date to keep my system updated, but I wonder what affect all of the Red Hat systems that will suddenly no longer be getting security updates are going to have on the 'net? As someone else said, there's always debian or (gasp, dare I say it) gentoo, where much more than what RH offers is available free to all takers. And yes, Virginia, the security anouncements are just as rel;iable as RH. RH is a business, and they can certainly do what they damn well please. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake 9.1 beta 3 and OpenOffice
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 09:11 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 9:14 pm, someone claiming to be Collins wrote: On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:30 am, Tim Wunder wrote: Anybody try Mandrake 9.1 beta 3 and get the OpenOffice RPM to install? My son's having difficult getting the rpm to take. I don't have the specific error handy (sorry), so I'm just looking for verification that it can be done. I've tried the RPM from Mandrake's Cooker site, and that's failing, too. My approach would be: get the binary package from OO.org, but then I'm never a fan of RPM. grin heh... That's what we did. I prefer compiling source and installing as RPM via checkinstall. But I'm certainly *not* going to compile OOo... Which part of binary package did you fail to understand? I've never found a need to compile OO. Just download, install, it's ready to fly in a few minutes. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Mandrake 9.1 beta 3 and OpenOffice
On Tuesday 25 February 2003 07:30 am, Tim Wunder wrote: Anybody try Mandrake 9.1 beta 3 and get the OpenOffice RPM to install? My son's having difficult getting the rpm to take. I don't have the specific error handy (sorry), so I'm just looking for verification that it can be done. I've tried the RPM from Mandrake's Cooker site, and that's failing, too. My approach would be: get the binary package from OO.org, but then I'm never a fan of RPM. grin -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Fwd: [SLE] The Linux Uprising(OT)
On Sunday 23 February 2003 09:51 am, Kurt Wall wrote: Feigning erudition, Bruce Marshall wrote: % I haven't seen this article mentioned over on this list. Check it out, % especially the part about SCO and how they are going to litigate on % pieces of Linux. Our old friends, Caldera, can't make money in the % Linux business so they're going to use lawyers to make money... Sounds % rather Micro$ofty to me. % % -- Forwarded Message -- % % Subject: [SLE] The Linux Uprising(OT) % Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 16:58:01 -0500 % From: Fred A. Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] % To: suse-linux-e [EMAIL PROTECTED] % % http://yahoo.businessweek.com/magazine/content/03_09/b3822601_tc102.htm This article rehashes old rumors and is filled with misinterpretations, misstatements, and plain old bad information. Never mind that the Linux Uprising started three years ago... Does this mean that the Caldera legal team is not looking into patents to milk extra money from their linux competition? -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New graphical login manager wdm
On Thursday 20 February 2003 07:26 pm, Kurt Wall wrote: Feigning erudition, Collins wrote: % FYI, % % A user on another group pointed out this package, and I like it. Wdm is based % on xdm, but it allows you complete choice of Session type, reboot or % shutdown, etc. from the gui login panel. % % The home page is : http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ % % I'm using wdm-1.22 from a gentoo ebuild, but there is a bug in pam support % which the author will fix soon and release 1.22.1. If you need his % workaround for 1.22, let me know. % % BTW, there is a gentoo ebuild for wdm, but it hasn't been released because of % work on the gentoo 1.4_final release. If you need the ebuild, cf. gentoo % bugzilla #15660. Alas, it has a dependency on WindowMaker = 0.17.5 for the WINGs and wraster libs and headers. yes, it requires something called wraster libs that are supplied by wmaker. Fortunately, you only need to install, not run wmaker. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New graphical login manager wdm
On Thursday 20 February 2003 05:50 pm, el lodger wrote: On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 05:11:41 -0700 Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A user on another group pointed out this package, and I like it. Wdm is based on xdm, but it allows you complete choice of Session type, reboot or shutdown, etc. from the gui login panel. Collins, I assume you don't use gnome since gdm does all that too. Right, I don't, and I don't always use kde either. therefore I avoid kdm and gdm. Wdm is a good solution for the user who wants to throw less in the way of resources into login/window management. You can have a nice system with wdm plus xfce, blackbox, etc., etc. without waiting 3-40 seconds just to start a window manager. It's academic to me at the moment, because I'm running KDE, but kdm has some sort of a bug (a qt flaw) that makes it take forever to start, so I've scrapped it in favor of wdm. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
New graphical login manager wdm
FYI, A user on another group pointed out this package, and I like it. Wdm is based on xdm, but it allows you complete choice of Session type, reboot or shutdown, etc. from the gui login panel. The home page is : http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ I'm using wdm-1.22 from a gentoo ebuild, but there is a bug in pam support which the author will fix soon and release 1.22.1. If you need his workaround for 1.22, let me know. BTW, there is a gentoo ebuild for wdm, but it hasn't been released because of work on the gentoo 1.4_final release. If you need the ebuild, cf. gentoo bugzilla #15660. Enjoy, -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New graphical login manager wdm
On Thursday 20 February 2003 04:14 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: How does this fit in with xfce - aren't they both window managers? Collins wrote: FYI, A user on another group pointed out this package, and I like it. Wdm is based on xdm, but it allows you complete choice of Session type, reboot or shutdown, etc. from the gui login panel. The home page is : http://voins.program.ru/wdm/ I'm using wdm-1.22 from a gentoo ebuild, but there is a bug in pam support which the author will fix soon and release 1.22.1. If you need his workaround for 1.22, let me know. BTW, there is a gentoo ebuild for wdm, but it hasn't been released because of work on the gentoo 1.4_final release. If you need the ebuild, cf. gentoo bugzilla #15660. Enjoy, Confustion in terms - xdm wdm gdm kdm are graphical login managers that allow you to complete the login porcess and (either directly or under the covers) start your choice of window manager. With xdm (much ligher weight than kdm or gdm) you only get the equivalent of a startx operation (i.e., you must have hard coded a window manager). wdm supplies the missing functionality in xdm. The advantage over kdm or gdm is that you don't have to install (and load) kde or gnome to get a flexible graphical login manager. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: New graphical login manager wdm
On Thursday 20 February 2003 04:14 pm, Brett I. Holcomb wrote: How does this fit in with xfce - aren't they both window managers? Sorry, I didn't completely answer your question. Top posting always confuses me! xfce is a window manager, but you can't use it to do graphical login management (run level 5 on most systems). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2 kde 3.1 ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Gnome Problems - -
On Saturday 15 February 2003 07:33 pm, Net Llama! wrote: On 02/15/03 15:46, mike Hughes wrote: Whats up! Im running Redhat 7.3 and Gnome with Kernel 2.4.20 but lately i noticed some of my features havent been displaying on the desktop. It started buy the REDHAT UPDATE CHECKING thing disapperearing and then my whole task bar at the bottom dissapperead i was wandering if i should re-install gnome to fix this problem...And HOW DO I RE-INSTALL gnome... I want to keep gnome as my Desktop but dont know how to re-install it! Thanks is this effecting multiple users, or just one? It doesn't make any sense to reinstall software that is broken for a single user. Have you tried wiping out your ~/.gnome (or whatever it's called) directory and anything in /tmp related to gnome? -- Collins Richey - KDE 3.1 testing ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Kmail and filters
Does anyone know how to get Kmail filters to work properly? I've got several groups identically defined as filters, but only the linux-users filter works. It matters not whether I defined thm as List-id or To, but only the lu mail gets filtered to my chosen folder. Other that the obvious: forget about the others, you only need lu grin, what am I missing? -- -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Kmail and filters
On Friday 14 February 2003 05:31 am, Tim Wunder wrote: On Friday 14 February 2003 7:11 am, someone claiming to be Collins wrote: Does anyone know how to get Kmail filters to work properly? I've got several groups identically defined as filters, but only the linux-users filter works. It matters not whether I defined thm as List-id or To, but only the lu mail gets filtered to my chosen folder. Other that the obvious: forget about the others, you only need lu grin, what am I missing? A properly configured filter? Please post the relevent portions of kmailrc, something like: [Filter #14] StopProcessingHere=true action-args-0=.Linux.directory/Linux-sxs action-name-0=transfer actions=1 apply-on=check-mail,manual-filtering contentsA=linux-user fieldA=List-Id funcA=contains name=List-Id:linux-user operator=and rules=1 OK, that helped. My kmailrc file looked like yours, except that Kmail had recorded the contentsA=xxx fileds as contentsA=. Once I removed the hickeys, the rules worked as desired. Thanks much. I would have been stumbling around in the dark. -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde 3.1 notes
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 08:44 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Tuesday 11 February 2003 10:27 pm, someone claiming to be Collins Richey wrote: snip I still haven't puzzled out why kmail refuses to put a From: on my attempts to send mail. [ various helpful hints snipped ] And the answer is: Read more carefully. Kmail compose does not honor the current default account setting. You have to select the current account then click on sticky at the top of the window. Just another learning opportunity. -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde 3.1 notes
On Tuesday 11 February 2003 09:12 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: FYI: http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,3959,879450,00.asp On Tuesday 11 February 2003 10:27 pm, someone claiming to be Collins Richey wrote: snip Nice review. The only negative I've found thus far is the tiny unreadable icons at the top of kmail. At my resolution, the icon for Check Mail and Reply look identical. -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mozilla 1.3b is out!
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 02:31 am, Michael Scottaline wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:55:22 -0600 Jack Berger [EMAIL PROTECTED] insightfully noted: I haven't looked at Mozilla, but have recently tried Netscape 7 (skipped 6). It's almost enough to make one turn to IE for browser preferences - aaaggghhh, that's a low point for sure. Anyway, Compared to the Netscape 4.x versions, v7 is a real case of bloatware, and slow (even on a 2 gh system w/512 mb ram). So does anyone have any experience to compare the current rendition of Mozilla to Netscape v7 as far as perceived performance? = Give Phoenix (v0.5) a try. It's based on Mozilla (Gecko) but is a browser only, thus a much samller footprint than full Mozilla. Mike Get a binary version of phoenix compiled with (or compile with) something earlier than gcc 3.x.x and linked to the appropriate libraries if you want all plugins to work. On gentoo this is package phoenix-bin. -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mozilla 1.3b is out!
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 02:49 am, Roger Oberholtzer wrote: Don't forget Konqueror in KDE 3.1. It has made substantial progress. And it is quite fast (to me). [ rest snipped ] I've got Konqueror working with the Shockwave plugin. Don't know about java yet. Does anyone have a reference site that requires Java? -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
kde 3.1 again
Just noticed that most of the new KDE packages listed in the weekly summary aren't available for KDE 3.1 (just 3.0.x). This is one of the big drawbacks, IMO. I'm sure I'd find the same situation for gnome. It's high time that the KDE developers get smart and stop changing all the interfaces with every release. -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: kde 3.1 notes
On Wednesday 12 February 2003 12:22 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On 2/12/2003 7:23 AM, someone claiming to be Collins wrote: On Tuesday 11 February 2003 08:44 pm, Tim Wunder wrote: On Tuesday 11 February 2003 10:27 pm, someone claiming to be Collins Richey wrote: snip I still haven't puzzled out why kmail refuses to put a From: on my attempts to send mail. [ various helpful hints snipped ] And the answer is: Read more carefully. Kmail compose does not honor the current default account setting. You have to select the current account then click on sticky at the top of the window. Just another learning opportunity. Collins, Is this your problem? http://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=49869 Possibly, but not quite identical, although this could be the root cause. The workaround that I used (sticky') might not be necessary if this bug were fixed. -- Collins - kmail 3.1 test ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: Divorcing SuSE and A4
On Mon, 10 Feb 2003 21:18:02 -0800 Bill Campbell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Feb 10, 2003 at 06:39:19AM -0700, Collins Richey wrote: ... The slightly more standard approach is to use the /path/to/OO/spadmin program which will allow you to set the default. Not to appear too dumb, but where does one find this in OpenOffice? Changing the printer paper size in OO1.0 as a normal user lasts for one print job, then reverts to A4. I haven't tried running it as root. I can run the spadmin program from the command line as root, and that appears to do the Right Thing(tm). On my system the program is in /opt/OpenOffice.org1.0.2/spadmin (the same directory where you find ... soffice). Select Paper Size - US Letter. It remains set for whichever user you are currently running. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2++ system xfce4-cvs ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mozilla 1.3b is out!
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:24:49 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 11 February 2003 8:40 pm, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2883 ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.3b If you want something old ;-) Mozilla nightlies rule! Just idle curiosity: is there a Phoneix nightlie? It's an academic question. I'm pretty much into stable. I have Phoenix (and now Konqueror) working with a lot of plugins, so I'm not overly interested in upsetting the apple cart. Also, has anyone heard about progress on any of the plugins and gcc 3.2.x? Apparently Konqueror (built with 3.3.x) has no problems in the opposite direction (plugins mostly built with older gcc and compat libraries). -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2++ system xfce4-cvs ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
kde 3.1 and sound
Well it turns out I was having a senior moment (funny how those come with increasing frequencyg). After massive googling and sending up smoke signals on several groups, I find that the Kmix PCM setting was totally muted! After unmuting it and saving the setting, now I get system sounds again. It's not totally a senior moment, however. At one point KDE system sounds were working, and I never tinkered with the PCM mixer setting. Crawls back into his lair muttering about gremlins. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2++ system xfce4-cvs ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
Re: mozilla 1.3b is out!
On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 19:57:07 -0700 Collins Richey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tue, 11 Feb 2003 21:24:49 -0500 Tim Wunder [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 11 February 2003 8:40 pm, someone claiming to be Net Llama! wrote: http://www.mozillazine.org/talkback.html?article=2883 ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/releases/mozilla1.3b If you want something old ;-) Mozilla nightlies rule! Just idle curiosity: is there a Phoneix nightlie? It's an academic question. I'm pretty much into stable. I have Phoenix(and now Konqueror) working with a lot of plugins, so I'm not overly interested in upsetting the apple cart. Also, has anyone heard about progress on any of the plugins and gcc 3.2.x? Apparently Konqueror (built with 3.3.x) has no problems in the opposite direction (plugins mostly built with older gcc and compat libraries). oops, Konqueror built with 3.2.x. -- Collins Richey - Denver Area Athlon-XP gentoo 1.4_rc2++ system xfce4-cvs ___ Linux-users mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe/Suspend/Etc - http://www.linux-sxs.org/mailman/listinfo/linux-users
