Re: gMail filters rules

[Herbie Allen]

Gmail This way they will work in anything you use to access Mail.

> On Aug 27, 2023, at 16:04, Traci Duncan  wrote:
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> Is it better to create rules and filters on gMail’s site, or create them in 
> the Mac Mail app. My original MacVisionaries and ViPhone filters, I created 
> on gMail’s site.
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> Thank you,
> Traci
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gMail filters rules

[Traci Duncan]

Is it better to create rules and filters on gMail’s site, or create them in the 
Mac Mail app. My original MacVisionaries and ViPhone filters, I created on 
gMail’s site.

Thank you,
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Mail Rules on iCloud.com

['E.T.' via MacVisionaries]

Hello all,
   I took a quick look there to create a new rule and see that site 
also got a remake. Can someone point me in the right direction? Thanks.


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Re: About Mail Filters and Rules

[Brad Snyder]

Mail rules you create on one Mac, are transferable to another Mac using the 
same AppleID, but not to iOS devices.

- Brad -


On Apr 21, 2021, at 13:19, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Yup, mail rules are implemented locally, so I took care of the job on the mail 
server side.



On 4/21/2021 1:29 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:
> My thoughts as well. I suppose the only way to find this out is to test it, 
> which I will now go and do.
> 
> 
> 
> On 4/21/2021 1:26 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
>> I don’t think so. The rules are adding modifications/filters to the actual 
>> app on the machine they inhabit.
>> 
>> Dave Carlson
>>  Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker
>> 
>> On Apr 21, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Steve Matzura > <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Let me start by saying I'm not an Apple user--really--and I'm not even a 
>> fan. Really. So why am I here, and why amn I on my fourth Macintosh 
>> computer? Because my wonderful and long-suffering wife is hip-deep into the 
>> Apple ecosystem with a phone, Mac and iPad, which means I, of course, am her 
>> first-line support.
>> 
>> 
>> That said, here's my question.
>> 
>> 
>> If mail rules are set up on one system--say, the computer, do those rules 
>> propagate to other Apple devices? For instance, if my wife uses the computer 
>> to retrieve mail in the morning and the rules are applied, then she picks up 
>> her iPad and retrieves more mail in the evening, does Apple Mail on the iPad 
>> act like there are no rules and dump everything into the Inbox, or do those 
>> rules set up on the computer get applied on the iPad? If the answer is that 
>> Mac Mail rules are global, my problem is easily solved--set up the folder 
>> filter rules on one system and they happen everywhere. On the other hand, if 
>> rules are not global, therefore not globally applied, I should really set 
>> them up on the mail server. So then, which is it? Set up filters and rules 
>> and such on one system and expect them to be global, or set them up on the 
>> front-end mail server where they really will be global before mail is even 
>> fetched?
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance.
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Re: About Mail Filters and Rules

[Steve Matzura]

Yup, mail rules are implemented locally, so I took care of the job on 
the mail server side.



On 4/21/2021 1:29 PM, Steve Matzura wrote:


My thoughts as well. I suppose the only way to find this out is to 
test it, which I will now go and do.



On 4/21/2021 1:26 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
I don’t think so. The rules are adding modifications/filters to the 
actual app on the machine they inhabit.


Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Apr 21, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Steve Matzura <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:


Let me start by saying I'm not an Apple user--really--and I'm not 
even a fan. Really. So why am I here, and why amn I on my fourth 
Macintosh computer? Because my wonderful and long-suffering wife is 
hip-deep into the Apple ecosystem with a phone, Mac and iPad, which 
means I, of course, am her first-line support.



That said, here's my question.


If mail rules are set up on one system--say, the computer, do those 
rules propagate to other Apple devices? For instance, if my wife uses 
the computer to retrieve mail in the morning and the rules are 
applied, then she picks up her iPad and retrieves more mail in the 
evening, does Apple Mail on the iPad act like there are no rules and 
dump everything into the Inbox, or do those rules set up on the 
computer get applied on the iPad? If the answer is that Mac Mail 
rules are global, my problem is easily solved--set up the folder 
filter rules on one system and they happen everywhere. On the other 
hand, if rules are not global, therefore not globally applied, I 
should really set them up on the mail server. So then, which is it? 
Set up filters and rules and such on one system and expect them to be 
global, or set them up on the front-end mail server where they really 
will be global before mail is even fetched?



Thanks in advance.

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Re: About Mail Filters and Rules

[Steve Matzura]

My thoughts as well. I suppose the only way to find this out is to test 
it, which I will now go and do.



On 4/21/2021 1:26 PM, Dave Carlson wrote:
I don’t think so. The rules are adding modifications/filters to the 
actual app on the machine they inhabit.


Dave Carlson
 Oregonian, Farfar, Engineer, Musician, Pioneer, and Woodworker

On Apr 21, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Steve Matzura <mailto:numb...@noisynotes.com>> wrote:


Let me start by saying I'm not an Apple user--really--and I'm not even 
a fan. Really. So why am I here, and why amn I on my fourth Macintosh 
computer? Because my wonderful and long-suffering wife is hip-deep 
into the Apple ecosystem with a phone, Mac and iPad, which means I, of 
course, am her first-line support.



That said, here's my question.


If mail rules are set up on one system--say, the computer, do those 
rules propagate to other Apple devices? For instance, if my wife uses 
the computer to retrieve mail in the morning and the rules are 
applied, then she picks up her iPad and retrieves more mail in the 
evening, does Apple Mail on the iPad act like there are no rules and 
dump everything into the Inbox, or do those rules set up on the 
computer get applied on the iPad? If the answer is that Mac Mail rules 
are global, my problem is easily solved--set up the folder filter 
rules on one system and they happen everywhere. On the other hand, if 
rules are not global, therefore not globally applied, I should really 
set them up on the mail server. So then, which is it? Set up filters 
and rules and such on one system and expect them to be global, or set 
them up on the front-end mail server where they really will be global 
before mail is even fetched?



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Re: About Mail Filters and Rules

[Dave Carlson]

I don’t think so. The rules are adding modifications/filters to the actual app 
on the machine they inhabit.

Dave Carlson
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On Apr 21, 2021, at 10:16 AM, Steve Matzura  wrote:

Let me start by saying I'm not an Apple user--really--and I'm not even a fan. 
Really. So why am I here, and why amn I on my fourth Macintosh computer? 
Because my wonderful and long-suffering wife is hip-deep into the Apple 
ecosystem with a phone, Mac and iPad, which means I, of course, am her 
first-line support.


That said, here's my question.


If mail rules are set up on one system--say, the computer, do those rules 
propagate to other Apple devices? For instance, if my wife uses the computer to 
retrieve mail in the morning and the rules are applied, then she picks up her 
iPad and retrieves more mail in the evening, does Apple Mail on the iPad act 
like there are no rules and dump everything into the Inbox, or do those rules 
set up on the computer get applied on the iPad? If the answer is that Mac Mail 
rules are global, my problem is easily solved--set up the folder filter rules 
on one system and they happen everywhere. On the other hand, if rules are not 
global, therefore not globally applied, I should really set them up on the mail 
server. So then, which is it? Set up filters and rules and such on one system 
and expect them to be global, or set them up on the front-end mail server where 
they really will be global before mail is even fetched?


Thanks in advance.

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About Mail Filters and Rules

[Steve Matzura]

Let me start by saying I'm not an Apple user--really--and I'm not even a 
fan. Really. So why am I here, and why amn I on my fourth Macintosh 
computer? Because my wonderful and long-suffering wife is hip-deep into 
the Apple ecosystem with a phone, Mac and iPad, which means I, of 
course, am her first-line support.



That said, here's my question.


If mail rules are set up on one system--say, the computer, do those 
rules propagate to other Apple devices? For instance, if my wife uses 
the computer to retrieve mail in the morning and the rules are applied, 
then she picks up her iPad and retrieves more mail in the evening, does 
Apple Mail on the iPad act like there are no rules and dump everything 
into the Inbox, or do those rules set up on the computer get applied on 
the iPad? If the answer is that Mac Mail rules are global, my problem is 
easily solved--set up the folder filter rules on one system and they 
happen everywhere. On the other hand, if rules are not global, therefore 
not globally applied, I should really set them up on the mail server. So 
then, which is it? Set up filters and rules and such on one system and 
expect them to be global, or set them up on the front-end mail server 
where they really will be global before mail is even fetched?



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My Global rules is sorted.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hi All.

After 12 hours of persevering, I have sorted out my global rules.  It was hard.

Now it’s just my folders on Imap using outlook, just wish to know how to do 
this as I’m using iCloud mail.

Thanks for your help.

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Assistance with getting to subscribe folders using I Cloud in MS Outlook and accessing the Global rules on I Cloud.com please.

['Kawal Gucukoglu' via MacVisionaries]

Hello.

I have a few issues that is really driving me mad as I could do both these 
things once before but it’s not happening at the moment.  I cannot remember how 
to do it.

This has to parts so this is going to be a long email!

1.  I would like to subscribe folders to my Microsoft Outlook as sometimes I 
use it on all three platforms as I have just acquired the ELBraille.

Anyway, I know the query button which you need to press is within the Imap 
settings but I can’t find it.

So in the end for example, my Macvisionary folder will show up in my folder 
tree view. 

2.  I wanted to add another global rule using iCloud.com because the advantage 
of that is it doesn’t matter how you access your emails it’s the same on all 
platforms.

3.  I have done it a few times on iCloud.com but it’s hit and miss using Voice 
over.  If anyone has a method of doing it which works every time with that, 
please do let me know.  I almost did it yesterday but I kept cancelling the 
rule so any help would be appreciated.

Before anyone says use Google, it’s never explained from a Voice Over 
prospective but I know what to do but it’s not happening yet!

Thanks for all your help.

Kawal.

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Re: macmail rules : limitations, help pls

[Jonathan Cohn]

There is a limitation that you can not have a rule with both and and or 
conditions. The pseudo solution around this would be either to create separate 
rules as you mentioned or to break the rule into two rules.

Rule 1 mark all messages matching any of the following conditions:
sender is apple 
sender is gmail 

flag messages as "Green"

Rule 2
operate on messages matching all of the conditions 
flag is green 
amailbox is inbox 
message sent > 30 days 
action delete message

I generally do things like this with a smart mailbox. Smart mailboxes also have 
the limitation that you cannot mix and/or conditions directly. 

If you want more flexibility then you can revert to AppleScript.
I wrote an AppleScript about 5 years ago to take all attachments from 
nfbnewsline and put them into a finder folder so they could easily be 
downloaded to my Victor Stream. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan Cohn



> On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:53 PM, William Windels  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> To clean up my mailbox , I use the macmail rueles in mac os 10.13 high sierra.
> 
> It seems I can’t make conditional rules with and/or operators.
> e.g. I cant say that all mails from @facebook.com or @twitter.com  or @ 
> applevis.com or @apple.com should be removed if they are received 30 days ago.
> If I should say the the rule is true if one or more of the conditions are 
> true, I should see that all conditions seperately are true.
> If I should say that the rule-evaluation is valid if all conditions are true, 
> I shouldn’t have any result since apple mail can’t handle more than 1 
> from-address.
> 
> There is also a option in the conditionlist of a mailrule  named “edit 
> headerlist.
> There, I could type and/or/… but this isn’t working.
> 
> And I could make also different rules for each from-address separately but 
> then , I have su much rules….
> 
> All hints are very welcome!
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> 
> William Windels 
> Kleine Kerkstraat 28 - 9050 Ledeberg
> Vast: 09 324 79 92 - GSM: 0477 88 42 76 
> E-mail: williamwind...@gmail.com 
> 
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Re: macmail rules : limitations, help pls

[Daniel McGee]

Hi William, or since you are using a gmail address, you could create rules that 
end and have them go across to your other devices. Just another option to 
consider.

Note: if you do decide to go the gmail root. Gmail calls folders labels and 
rules filters. 

I hope this have been of some help.

P.S.

Its funny you have mentioned message rules. I myself have just figured out how 
to create them server side from my internet service provider over here in the 
UK and while it wasn’t what I call a fun process to set them up. I did feel a 
sense of achievement once I worked out the site’s quirks with Voiceover on the 
Mac. 
> On 30 Dec 2017, at 11:45, Kliphton Miller  wrote:
> 
> if you do this from the iCloud.com <http://icloud.com/> website, all rules 
> will stick, and it will be done across all devices.
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:53 PM, William Windels > <mailto:william.wind...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> To clean up my mailbox , I use the macmail rueles in mac os 10.13 high 
>> sierra.
>> 
>> It seems I can’t make conditional rules with and/or operators.
>> e.g. I cant say that all mails from @facebook.com or @twitter.com  or @ 
>> applevis.com <http://applevis.com/> or @apple.com should be removed if they 
>> are received 30 days ago.
>> If I should say the the rule is true if one or more of the conditions are 
>> true, I should see that all conditions seperately are true.
>> If I should say that the rule-evaluation is valid if all conditions are 
>> true, I shouldn’t have any result since apple mail can’t handle more than 1 
>> from-address.
>> 
>> There is also a option in the conditionlist of a mailrule  named “edit 
>> headerlist.
>> There, I could type and/or/… but this isn’t working.
>> 
>> And I could make also different rules for each from-address separately but 
>> then , I have su much rules….
>> 
>> All hints are very welcome!
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> William Windels
>> 
>> 
>> William Windels 
>> Kleine Kerkstraat 28 - 9050 Ledeberg
>> Vast: 09 324 79 92 - GSM: 0477 88 42 76 
>> E-mail: williamwind...@gmail.com <mailto:williamwind...@gmail.com> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: macmail rules : limitations, help pls

[Kliphton Miller]

if you do this from the iCloud.com <http://icloud.com/> website, all rules will 
stick, and it will be done across all devices.

> On Dec 29, 2017, at 4:53 PM, William Windels  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> To clean up my mailbox , I use the macmail rueles in mac os 10.13 high sierra.
> 
> It seems I can’t make conditional rules with and/or operators.
> e.g. I cant say that all mails from @facebook.com or @twitter.com  or @ 
> applevis.com or @apple.com should be removed if they are received 30 days ago.
> If I should say the the rule is true if one or more of the conditions are 
> true, I should see that all conditions seperately are true.
> If I should say that the rule-evaluation is valid if all conditions are true, 
> I shouldn’t have any result since apple mail can’t handle more than 1 
> from-address.
> 
> There is also a option in the conditionlist of a mailrule  named “edit 
> headerlist.
> There, I could type and/or/… but this isn’t working.
> 
> And I could make also different rules for each from-address separately but 
> then , I have su much rules….
> 
> All hints are very welcome!
> 
> Kind regards,
> William Windels
> 
> 
> William Windels 
> Kleine Kerkstraat 28 - 9050 Ledeberg
> Vast: 09 324 79 92 - GSM: 0477 88 42 76 
> E-mail: williamwind...@gmail.com 
> 
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macmail rules : limitations, help pls

[William Windels]

Hello all,
To clean up my mailbox , I use the macmail rueles in mac os 10.13 high sierra.

It seems I can’t make conditional rules with and/or operators.
e.g. I cant say that all mails from @facebook.com or @twitter.com  or @ 
applevis.com or @apple.com should be removed if they are received 30 days ago.
If I should say the the rule is true if one or more of the conditions are true, 
I should see that all conditions seperately are true.
If I should say that the rule-evaluation is valid if all conditions are true, I 
shouldn’t have any result since apple mail can’t handle more than 1 
from-address.

There is also a option in the conditionlist of a mailrule  named “edit 
headerlist.
There, I could type and/or/… but this isn’t working.

And I could make also different rules for each from-address separately but then 
, I have su much rules….

All hints are very welcome!

Kind regards,
William Windels


William Windels 
Kleine Kerkstraat 28 - 9050 Ledeberg
Vast: 09 324 79 92 - GSM: 0477 88 42 76 
E-mail: williamwind...@gmail.com 



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Preferences and Rules on Icloud.com for mail, where has it gone?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

Today I need to delete a rule for one of my mailboxes which I set up on 
Icloud.com as you could do that globally.  For some reason, I can’t fine 
preferences for mail on the Icloud.com website as I used that website to set up 
all my rules for all my incoming mail so I’d have a mailbox for Macvisionaries 
and other mailboxes for other lists that I am on.  I really liked that set up 
but when I go to Icloud.com today, I can’t find, account and preferences and 
then mail rules so that I can delete one of my rules for the mailbox as I 
deleted one of my mailboxes.  So if anyone can tell me how I can set up and 
delete my rules globally please?  That also is going to affect my Two step 
verification as I too use to go to Icloud.com to set and delete my trusted 
devices.  So if someone can tell me how I will manage two step verification if 
that setting is not on the I cloud.com website then that is going to be a 
problem for me.  I hate it when a company changes stuff for the sake of change. 
 There was nothing wrong with Icloud.com as they had it fixed and now they have 
taken some of the features away.  Please note I have not been on Icloud.com 
since I got my I phone 6 S Plus and that is a long time ago.  

Most annoying.

Kawal.  
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Re: setting up rules in the mail app

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi Mark.

Just read your message about Icloud and setting up rules.  I would have said 
this if you had not pasted this article.  The only thing is that I can’t access 
Icloud at work as the site has been blocked so it won’t work if the website is 
blocked.

Kawal.
> On 16 Jul 2016, at 18:58, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello Walter,
> 
> I am going to paste in a Mac World article, the link to which is located at 
> the end of the text, that should shed some light on this, for you.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Five iCloud email tricks you probably missed
> 
> If you have an Apple ID, then you have an iCloud email account. This free 
> account gives you up to 5GB storage for your emails, minus what you use for 
> documents and other data you store in the cloud. It’s easy to work with your 
> iCloud email from Apple’s Mail, on the Mac, or on an iOS device. Still, you 
> may not know about the many extra options and features available if you log 
> into iCloud on the Web. 
> 
> Before you can take advantage of any of the following tips, you need to turn 
> on iCloud. If you already have an Apple ID, which you use on the iTunes 
> store, you may never have set up iCloud. Read this article to get it up and 
> running. Once you've done that, you can use your email account and these five 
> tricks. 
> 
> 1.
> Access email anywhere 
> While you may check your email on your Mac, iPhone or iPad, you can also 
> access your messages on the Web. This is useful if you need to get or send 
> email from a shared computer, but also if you need to send or receive files 
> when you’re on the road. Just log into icloud.com, and click the Mail icon. 
> You’ll have access to all of your email—and all of your contacts, if you’ve 
> set iCloud to sync them—so you can send and receive messages and files. This 
> can be useful if you need to get a file and print it out when you’re visiting 
> a client or friend. 
> 
> 2.
> Create rules that work on all your devices
> You can set up rules—filters that act on incoming email messages—using Mail 
> for OS X. (See this article for tips on using rules.) But these rules only 
> work on your Mac; they don’t have any effect on your iPhone or iPad, unless 
> you leave your Mac on all the time. If your Mac’s not running, your email 
> will simply flow into your iCloud account’s inbox. 
> 
> But you can set up rules on the icloud.com website that will move messages 
> before they get to any of your devices. For example, you can filter your 
> email so all the messages from your employer go into a specific mailbox. 
> 
> To do this, you need to create a new mailbox; you can do this on your Mac or 
> iOS device, but with iCloud on the Web, just click the plus-sign (+) icon 
> next to Folders, then type a name for the new mailbox. 
> 
> Next, click the gear icon at the top-right of the iCloud Mail interface, and 
> choose Rules. Click Add a Rule, then choose one of the first conditions: if a 
> message is from a specific person, has a subject containing a specific word, 
> and so on. In the next field, enter an email address (for a specific person), 
> a domain name, such as macworld.com (this will filter any messages from that 
> domain), one or more words for subject filtering, and so on. 
> 
> In the next section, choose either Move to Folder, Move to Trash, or Forward 
> to. Then select the folder to move the message to, or the email address to 
> forward it to. Click Done, and the rule will become active. 
> 
> You can create rules so the iCloud sever will act on your email before it 
> gets to your Mac or your iOS device.
> 
> Now, any messages meeting these conditions will be filtered on the iCloud 
> server, and you won’t need to leave your Mac on to do the job. 
> 
> 3.
> Let everyone know you're away
> Here’s something you can’t do in Mail on the Mac, or on iOS. If you’re away 
> from work, or on vacation, you may want to set up an auto-response to tell 
> people when you’ll be back. Click the gear icon at the top-right of the 
> iCloud Mail page, then click Preferences. Click the Vacation icon, and check 
> Automatically reply to messages when they are received. Enter the text you’d 
> like sent, and then click Done. 
> 
> Set up an auto-response when you're away or on vacation.
> 
> You can combine this with Rules to route work messages to colleagues, too. 
> After you’ve set up the auto-response, click Rules, and create a rule for 
> specific addresses or domains, and forward them to the person at work who’s 
> filling in for you while you’re away. When you get back from your trip, just 
> delete the rule. 
> 
> 4.
> Forward emails to another account
> You probably don’t have just an iCloud account; you may have another accoun

RE: setting up rules in the mail app

[CHUCK REICHEL]

Hello Walter,

I am going to paste in a Mac World article, the link to which is located at the 
end of the text, that should shed some light on this, for you.

Mark

Five iCloud email tricks you probably missed

If you have an Apple ID, then you have an iCloud email account. This free 
account gives you up to 5GB storage for your emails, minus what you use for 
documents and other data you store in the cloud. It’s easy to work with your 
iCloud email from Apple’s Mail, on the Mac, or on an iOS device. Still, you may 
not know about the many extra options and features available if you log into 
iCloud on the Web. 

Before you can take advantage of any of the following tips, you need to turn on 
iCloud. If you already have an Apple ID, which you use on the iTunes store, you 
may never have set up iCloud. Read this article to get it up and running. Once 
you've done that, you can use your email account and these five tricks. 

1.
Access email anywhere 
While you may check your email on your Mac, iPhone or iPad, you can also access 
your messages on the Web. This is useful if you need to get or send email from 
a shared computer, but also if you need to send or receive files when you’re on 
the road. Just log into icloud.com, and click the Mail icon. You’ll have access 
to all of your email—and all of your contacts, if you’ve set iCloud to sync 
them—so you can send and receive messages and files. This can be useful if you 
need to get a file and print it out when you’re visiting a client or friend. 

2.
Create rules that work on all your devices
You can set up rules—filters that act on incoming email messages—using Mail for 
OS X. (See this article for tips on using rules.) But these rules only work on 
your Mac; they don’t have any effect on your iPhone or iPad, unless you leave 
your Mac on all the time. If your Mac’s not running, your email will simply 
flow into your iCloud account’s inbox. 

But you can set up rules on the icloud.com website that will move messages 
before they get to any of your devices. For example, you can filter your email 
so all the messages from your employer go into a specific mailbox. 

To do this, you need to create a new mailbox; you can do this on your Mac or 
iOS device, but with iCloud on the Web, just click the plus-sign (+) icon next 
to Folders, then type a name for the new mailbox. 

Next, click the gear icon at the top-right of the iCloud Mail interface, and 
choose Rules. Click Add a Rule, then choose one of the first conditions: if a 
message is from a specific person, has a subject containing a specific word, 
and so on. In the next field, enter an email address (for a specific person), a 
domain name, such as macworld.com (this will filter any messages from that 
domain), one or more words for subject filtering, and so on. 

In the next section, choose either Move to Folder, Move to Trash, or Forward 
to. Then select the folder to move the message to, or the email address to 
forward it to. Click Done, and the rule will become active. 

You can create rules so the iCloud sever will act on your email before it gets 
to your Mac or your iOS device.

Now, any messages meeting these conditions will be filtered on the iCloud 
server, and you won’t need to leave your Mac on to do the job. 

3.
Let everyone know you're away
Here’s something you can’t do in Mail on the Mac, or on iOS. If you’re away 
from work, or on vacation, you may want to set up an auto-response to tell 
people when you’ll be back. Click the gear icon at the top-right of the iCloud 
Mail page, then click Preferences. Click the Vacation icon, and check 
Automatically reply to messages when they are received. Enter the text you’d 
like sent, and then click Done. 

Set up an auto-response when you're away or on vacation.

You can combine this with Rules to route work messages to colleagues, too. 
After you’ve set up the auto-response, click Rules, and create a rule for 
specific addresses or domains, and forward them to the person at work who’s 
filling in for you while you’re away. When you get back from your trip, just 
delete the rule. 

4.
Forward emails to another account
You probably don’t have just an iCloud account; you may have another account 
for work as well. If you get some emails in your iCloud account, you can choose 
to forward them all to another account. This is a good way to use your iCloud 
account for some of your email, and download it when you check your main email 
account. Instead of checking two accounts, you can just check one. 

Click the gear icon at the top-right of the iCloud Mail page, click 
Preferences, and then click General. Next to Forwarding, check Forward my email 
to, and enter an email address, such as your other account. You can also check 
Delete messages after forwarding, if you don’t want them clogging up your 
iCloud mailbox. 

5.
Avoid spam with iCloud aliases
Set up email aliases to protect your main address from spam. Use an alias to 
sig

RE: setting up rules in the mail app

[M. Taylor]

Hello Walter,

I am going to paste in a Mac World article, the link to which is located at the 
end of the text, that should shed some light on this, for you.

Mark

Five iCloud email tricks you probably missed

If you have an Apple ID, then you have an iCloud email account. This free 
account gives you up to 5GB storage for your emails, minus what you use for 
documents and other data you store in the cloud. It’s easy to work with your 
iCloud email from Apple’s Mail, on the Mac, or on an iOS device. Still, you may 
not know about the many extra options and features available if you log into 
iCloud on the Web. 

Before you can take advantage of any of the following tips, you need to turn on 
iCloud. If you already have an Apple ID, which you use on the iTunes store, you 
may never have set up iCloud. Read this article to get it up and running. Once 
you've done that, you can use your email account and these five tricks. 

1.
Access email anywhere 
While you may check your email on your Mac, iPhone or iPad, you can also access 
your messages on the Web. This is useful if you need to get or send email from 
a shared computer, but also if you need to send or receive files when you’re on 
the road. Just log into icloud.com, and click the Mail icon. You’ll have access 
to all of your email—and all of your contacts, if you’ve set iCloud to sync 
them—so you can send and receive messages and files. This can be useful if you 
need to get a file and print it out when you’re visiting a client or friend. 

2.
Create rules that work on all your devices
You can set up rules—filters that act on incoming email messages—using Mail for 
OS X. (See this article for tips on using rules.) But these rules only work on 
your Mac; they don’t have any effect on your iPhone or iPad, unless you leave 
your Mac on all the time. If your Mac’s not running, your email will simply 
flow into your iCloud account’s inbox. 

But you can set up rules on the icloud.com website that will move messages 
before they get to any of your devices. For example, you can filter your email 
so all the messages from your employer go into a specific mailbox. 

To do this, you need to create a new mailbox; you can do this on your Mac or 
iOS device, but with iCloud on the Web, just click the plus-sign (+) icon next 
to Folders, then type a name for the new mailbox. 

Next, click the gear icon at the top-right of the iCloud Mail interface, and 
choose Rules. Click Add a Rule, then choose one of the first conditions: if a 
message is from a specific person, has a subject containing a specific word, 
and so on. In the next field, enter an email address (for a specific person), a 
domain name, such as macworld.com (this will filter any messages from that 
domain), one or more words for subject filtering, and so on. 

In the next section, choose either Move to Folder, Move to Trash, or Forward 
to. Then select the folder to move the message to, or the email address to 
forward it to. Click Done, and the rule will become active. 

You can create rules so the iCloud sever will act on your email before it gets 
to your Mac or your iOS device.

Now, any messages meeting these conditions will be filtered on the iCloud 
server, and you won’t need to leave your Mac on to do the job. 

3.
Let everyone know you're away
Here’s something you can’t do in Mail on the Mac, or on iOS. If you’re away 
from work, or on vacation, you may want to set up an auto-response to tell 
people when you’ll be back. Click the gear icon at the top-right of the iCloud 
Mail page, then click Preferences. Click the Vacation icon, and check 
Automatically reply to messages when they are received. Enter the text you’d 
like sent, and then click Done. 

Set up an auto-response when you're away or on vacation.

You can combine this with Rules to route work messages to colleagues, too. 
After you’ve set up the auto-response, click Rules, and create a rule for 
specific addresses or domains, and forward them to the person at work who’s 
filling in for you while you’re away. When you get back from your trip, just 
delete the rule. 

4.
Forward emails to another account
You probably don’t have just an iCloud account; you may have another account 
for work as well. If you get some emails in your iCloud account, you can choose 
to forward them all to another account. This is a good way to use your iCloud 
account for some of your email, and download it when you check your main email 
account. Instead of checking two accounts, you can just check one. 

Click the gear icon at the top-right of the iCloud Mail page, click 
Preferences, and then click General. Next to Forwarding, check Forward my email 
to, and enter an email address, such as your other account. You can also check 
Delete messages after forwarding, if you don’t want them clogging up your 
iCloud mailbox. 

5.
Avoid spam with iCloud aliases
Set up email aliases to protect your main address from spam. Use an alias to 
sig

setting up rules in the mail app

[Walter Harper]

Hello all,
How do you setup messages rules in the mail app on mac mail?
Walter 

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RE: Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices

[Simon Fogarty]

Hi Mark,

 Thanks for this, I'd not heard of this at all.

Interesting though, if you shut your phone off completely then you have to use 
the pass code,  I don't think I've ever left my phone unlocked for more than a 
day.

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From: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com [mailto:macvisionaries@googlegroups.com] 
On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: Friday, 20 May 2016 12:54 PM
To: macvisionaries@googlegroups.com
Subject: Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID 
devices

Hello All,

I am cross-posting the following article from Apple Insider, the URL to which 
is located at the end of the text.

Mark

Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices
By Roger Fingas 
Thursday, May 19, 2016

Apple has silently added another condition under which an iPhone or iPad user 
has to unlock their device with a passcode, despite having Touch ID enabled, 
according to a report.

iOS will now ask for a passcode if it hasn't been unlocked that way for six 
days, and Touch ID hasn't been used in the last eight hours, MacWorld said.
A quoted Apple spokesperson claimed the rule has been in place since iOS 9 was 
released in Sept. 2015, but MacWorld noted this is inconsistent with the iOS 
Security guide, which only mentioned the change starting May 12. Apple declined 
to offer an explanation.

The company has several such rules in place, the two most common forcing a 
passcode unlock if a device is rebooted or hasn't been unlocked for 48 hours. 
Others require a passcode after new fingers are added to Touch ID, a person 
tries five unsuccessful Touch ID logins, or someone issues a remote lock via 
Find My iPhone.

If the discovered rule is genuinely new, it's not clear how or when Apple might 
have made the change, since iOS 9.3.1 was released in March and 9.3.2 arrived 
earlier this week.

Regardless, the tactic is presumably a means of reinforcing the security of 
Apple devices. It could potentially have an impact on U.S. law enforcement, 
which has already begun seeking court orders compelling people to unlock 
iPhones with their fingerprints

Original Article At:
http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/05/19/apple-quietly-toughens-rules-forci
ng-passcode-unlocks-of-touch-id-devices


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Re: Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices

[Scott Granados]

This feels like a big up yours to the FBI in a way.:)

Just like google encrypting everything when Snoden came out with his document 
leak as an up yours to the NSA.:)

I like it.

And a little better security to boot, at least in theory.

Only the google act would have been a little more meaningful if they didn’t 
share their database directly with the NSA and work so closely but I digress.:)

> On May 19, 2016, at 9:01 PM, Donna Goodin  wrote:
> 
> Well, this is interesting.  I've been wondering why I had to enter my pass 
> code the last couple of Monday mornings.  Now I know.
> Cheers
> Donna
>> On May 19, 2016, at 7:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello All,
>> 
>> I am cross-posting the following article from Apple Insider, the URL to
>> which is located at the end of the text.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices
>> By Roger Fingas
>> Thursday, May 19, 2016
>> 
>> Apple has silently added another condition under which an iPhone or iPad
>> user has to unlock their device with a passcode, despite having Touch ID
>> enabled, according to a report.
>> 
>> iOS will now ask for a passcode if it hasn't been unlocked that way for six
>> days, and Touch ID hasn't been used in the last eight hours, MacWorld said.
>> A quoted Apple spokesperson claimed the rule has been in place since iOS 9
>> was released in Sept. 2015, but MacWorld noted this is inconsistent with the
>> iOS Security guide, which only mentioned the change starting May 12. Apple
>> declined to offer an explanation.
>> 
>> The company has several such rules in place, the two most common forcing a
>> passcode unlock if a device is rebooted or hasn't been unlocked for 48
>> hours. Others require a passcode after new fingers are added to Touch ID, a
>> person tries five unsuccessful Touch ID logins, or someone issues a remote
>> lock via Find My iPhone.
>> 
>> If the discovered rule is genuinely new, it's not clear how or when Apple
>> might have made the change, since iOS 9.3.1 was released in March and 9.3.2
>> arrived earlier this week.
>> 
>> Regardless, the tactic is presumably a means of reinforcing the security of
>> Apple devices. It could potentially have an impact on U.S. law enforcement,
>> which has already begun seeking court orders compelling people to unlock
>> iPhones with their fingerprints
>> 
>> Original Article At:
>> http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/05/19/apple-quietly-toughens-rules-forci
>> ng-passcode-unlocks-of-touch-id-devices
>> 
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Re: Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices

[Donna Goodin]

Well, this is interesting.  I've been wondering why I had to enter my pass code 
the last couple of Monday mornings.  Now I know.
Cheers
Donna
> On May 19, 2016, at 7:54 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> Hello All,
> 
> I am cross-posting the following article from Apple Insider, the URL to
> which is located at the end of the text.
> 
> Mark
> 
> Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices
> By Roger Fingas   
> Thursday, May 19, 2016
> 
> Apple has silently added another condition under which an iPhone or iPad
> user has to unlock their device with a passcode, despite having Touch ID
> enabled, according to a report.
> 
> iOS will now ask for a passcode if it hasn't been unlocked that way for six
> days, and Touch ID hasn't been used in the last eight hours, MacWorld said.
> A quoted Apple spokesperson claimed the rule has been in place since iOS 9
> was released in Sept. 2015, but MacWorld noted this is inconsistent with the
> iOS Security guide, which only mentioned the change starting May 12. Apple
> declined to offer an explanation.
> 
> The company has several such rules in place, the two most common forcing a
> passcode unlock if a device is rebooted or hasn't been unlocked for 48
> hours. Others require a passcode after new fingers are added to Touch ID, a
> person tries five unsuccessful Touch ID logins, or someone issues a remote
> lock via Find My iPhone.
> 
> If the discovered rule is genuinely new, it's not clear how or when Apple
> might have made the change, since iOS 9.3.1 was released in March and 9.3.2
> arrived earlier this week.
> 
> Regardless, the tactic is presumably a means of reinforcing the security of
> Apple devices. It could potentially have an impact on U.S. law enforcement,
> which has already begun seeking court orders compelling people to unlock
> iPhones with their fingerprints
> 
> Original Article At:
> http://appleinsider.com/articles/16/05/19/apple-quietly-toughens-rules-forci
> ng-passcode-unlocks-of-touch-id-devices
> 
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Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices

[M. Taylor]

Hello All,

I am cross-posting the following article from Apple Insider, the URL to
which is located at the end of the text.

Mark

Apple quietly toughens rules forcing passcode unlocks of Touch ID devices
By Roger Fingas 
Thursday, May 19, 2016

Apple has silently added another condition under which an iPhone or iPad
user has to unlock their device with a passcode, despite having Touch ID
enabled, according to a report.

iOS will now ask for a passcode if it hasn't been unlocked that way for six
days, and Touch ID hasn't been used in the last eight hours, MacWorld said.
A quoted Apple spokesperson claimed the rule has been in place since iOS 9
was released in Sept. 2015, but MacWorld noted this is inconsistent with the
iOS Security guide, which only mentioned the change starting May 12. Apple
declined to offer an explanation.

The company has several such rules in place, the two most common forcing a
passcode unlock if a device is rebooted or hasn't been unlocked for 48
hours. Others require a passcode after new fingers are added to Touch ID, a
person tries five unsuccessful Touch ID logins, or someone issues a remote
lock via Find My iPhone.

If the discovered rule is genuinely new, it's not clear how or when Apple
might have made the change, since iOS 9.3.1 was released in March and 9.3.2
arrived earlier this week.

Regardless, the tactic is presumably a means of reinforcing the security of
Apple devices. It could potentially have an impact on U.S. law enforcement,
which has already begun seeking court orders compelling people to unlock
iPhones with their fingerprints

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ng-passcode-unlocks-of-touch-id-devices


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message rules

[Jean]

Hello again all:
Thanks to the person who suggested accessing the message rules function through 
the mail preferences. I went there and tried to create a rule for a message. I 
can see how it is supposed to work but I am having trouble getting boxes to 
stay checked, filling in all the fields etc. Is there a clear tutorial on this?
Many thanks in advance,
Jean

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ECHR Rules "Safe Harbour" Invalid

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

Hi, and apologies to all for the mostly off-topic post.

This is mostly of interest to Europeans, but the ECHR (European Court of Human 
Rights) recently ruled that the 2000 “Safe Harbour” provisions, which allow US 
companies on US soil to store data on behalf of Europeans, are invalid.  This 
is in the context of the Facebook vs Max Schrems case, but Apple are among the 
companies that rely on these provisions:
http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/gadgets-and-tech/news/european-court-rules-safe-harbour-treaty-that-saw-facebook-hand-over-user-data-to-us-is-invalid-a6681291.html

Of course, the spinmeisters on both sides of the pond are desperately looking 
for workarounds, reconciliations, and compromises which might allow this 
impossible agreement to continue.  Sadly, I fear that this is just another case 
of reckless policy makers being out of touch with the people and in the pockets 
of business and the intelligence services.  Post Snowden and two years of 
existing negotiation, I can only hope Apple will be brought into line.  Heck, 
you can’t even ask them to delete your accounts for Apple services.  I’ll be 
glad to be leaving their cloud soon, unless any hope at all can be sought to 
bring US data protection into line or bring Apple closer to home.  Because, 
honestly, I’d love to be able to trust them.

Cheers,
Sabahattin

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Re: mail filtering rules

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

You can use the References: and In-Reply-To: fields to axe just the part of the 
thread initiated by a certain condition. You just need the Message-Id of the 
post which you store in a list, which will expire after a month, and which your 
script can compare References or In-Reply-To against. This only works if the 
poster whose messages you want to block, or any of the followups, implement 
current mail RFCs and know how to do threaded conversations. This requires 
custom work because Sieve can’t do it, as far as I can see. I’d like to stay 
within Sieve rules if at all possible, so it looks like whatever I come up with 
will have to be a hack.

Or I could just grit my teeth and continue putting up with it.

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Re: mail filtering rules

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I use global rules to filter e-mails.

I sign in to www.icloud.com, put in my ID etc, press the mail button, find 
theget action button and then there are various tabs.  One is the rule tab.

Then there are certain options as to what you want to do.  So anyone you don't 
want to see can go to the trash but remember to specify what you want done in 
the rule options.  In iCloud everything is explained.  You can't do it if you 
are on another e-mail provider as I just use iCloud.

Kawal.
On 3 Aug 2015, at 19:16, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:

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That's going to be tricky because lets say someone starts a thread
named ITunes and you say "Screw ITunes and the flame wars, I don't
care." You'll miss that thread. I recommend adding a thread-ID to a
list (check out something like redis), then setting it to expire after
7 days. You'll need to send the offending message to a folder which a
cron could pick up, check, get the ID from and then shove into redis.
Probably 30 minutes of quick scripting.

On 8/3/2015 1:48 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> It’s best to filter server-side if you have that option. Filtering
> on the Mac would make running OS X mail a requirement just to get
> mail filtered, plus your iPhone would still be notified of new mail
> even if opening Mail then showed it to have been moved/deleted.
> 
> How you filter is down to your email provider. For Gmail these are
> filters you set up on the Gmail website.  Ditto for iCloud.
> 
> I already filter based on senders and message text, but
> unfortunately this isn’t always adequate because once a thread is
> derailed it tends to explode.  So, I am working on a way to tag
> messages and their children.  I’ll probably have to write a little
> script to do this on my server; I don’t think Sieve has that
> capability by itself.
> 


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Re: mail filtering rules

[Littlefield, Tyler]

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That's going to be tricky because lets say someone starts a thread
named ITunes and you say "Screw ITunes and the flame wars, I don't
care." You'll miss that thread. I recommend adding a thread-ID to a
list (check out something like redis), then setting it to expire after
7 days. You'll need to send the offending message to a folder which a
cron could pick up, check, get the ID from and then shove into redis.
Probably 30 minutes of quick scripting.

On 8/3/2015 1:48 PM, Sabahattin Gucukoglu wrote:
> It’s best to filter server-side if you have that option. Filtering
> on the Mac would make running OS X mail a requirement just to get
> mail filtered, plus your iPhone would still be notified of new mail
> even if opening Mail then showed it to have been moved/deleted.
> 
> How you filter is down to your email provider. For Gmail these are
> filters you set up on the Gmail website.  Ditto for iCloud.
> 
> I already filter based on senders and message text, but
> unfortunately this isn’t always adequate because once a thread is
> derailed it tends to explode.  So, I am working on a way to tag
> messages and their children.  I’ll probably have to write a little
> script to do this on my server; I don’t think Sieve has that
> capability by itself.
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Re: mail filtering rules

[Sabahattin Gucukoglu]

It’s best to filter server-side if you have that option. Filtering on the Mac 
would make running OS X mail a requirement just to get mail filtered, plus your 
iPhone would still be notified of new mail even if opening Mail then showed it 
to have been moved/deleted.

How you filter is down to your email provider. For Gmail these are filters you 
set up on the Gmail website.  Ditto for iCloud.

I already filter based on senders and message text, but unfortunately this 
isn’t always adequate because once a thread is derailed it tends to explode.  
So, I am working on a way to tag messages and their children.  I’ll probably 
have to write a little script to do this on my server; I don’t think Sieve has 
that capability by itself.

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Re: mail filtering rules

[Jim Gatteys]

and if you have a gmail account then you should be able to do it from the web 
if my memory serves.  Had to use basic view and then it worked fine.
jg

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 11:59 AM, Littlefield, Tyler  wrote:
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> I don't think you can do it on do it on the phone, but it certainly
> does work on the mac. The email provider doesn't matter.
> Thanks,
> On 8/3/2015 12:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
>> Thanks, Jim. Yes, I want to set up rules to filter out given
>> senders. But I didn't read carefully enough to see that you were
>> using a Mac, rather than a phone. I was hoping there was a way to
>> do it on the phone. But I guess I will have to dig into the Mac and
>> see how it works there, and hope that will still work since I have
>> a Gmail account. Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Jim Gatteys 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Mary!
>>> 
>>> I created a rule and selected "if any of the following conditions
>>> are met", then "from", then "contains", then part of the email
>>> address that I think would not change, then "move to trash" just
>>> to see if it worked, then went back to change the "move to trash"
>>> to just "delete.  So far it seems to have worked. If you are
>>> asking because you want to set up a rule and need help email me
>>> and I'll try to help.  I'm not trying to stir up trouble on the
>>> list but this gets old after a while.
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Jim, how did you do it.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jim Gatteys 
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi all! I've decided to create a rule to filter out messages
>>>>> on this list to remove unwanted messages from certain people.
>>>>> I am having some difficulty with the rules.  My rule is not
>>>>> working properly.  It is a simple rule that says if message
>>>>> is from "specific person" then delete the message.  The rule
>>>>> is not working and I have tried the from option and the
>>>>> sender option.  Does anyone have suggestions that I might
>>>>> try? I really do enjoy the list but am getting tired of
>>>>> sniping.  I live in a real world where that goes on pretty
>>>>> regularly and I just don't want to have to deal with it
>>>>> here. Thanks for any help. Jim
>>>>> 
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Re: mail filtering rules

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I don't think you can do it on do it on the phone, but it certainly
does work on the mac. The email provider doesn't matter.
Thanks,
On 8/3/2015 12:40 PM, Mary Otten wrote:
> Thanks, Jim. Yes, I want to set up rules to filter out given
> senders. But I didn't read carefully enough to see that you were
> using a Mac, rather than a phone. I was hoping there was a way to
> do it on the phone. But I guess I will have to dig into the Mac and
> see how it works there, and hope that will still work since I have
> a Gmail account. Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Jim Gatteys 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Mary!
>> 
>> I created a rule and selected "if any of the following conditions
>> are met", then "from", then "contains", then part of the email
>> address that I think would not change, then "move to trash" just
>> to see if it worked, then went back to change the "move to trash"
>> to just "delete.  So far it seems to have worked. If you are
>> asking because you want to set up a rule and need help email me
>> and I'll try to help.  I'm not trying to stir up trouble on the
>> list but this gets old after a while.
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Jim, how did you do it.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jim Gatteys 
>>>> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi all! I've decided to create a rule to filter out messages
>>>> on this list to remove unwanted messages from certain people.
>>>> I am having some difficulty with the rules.  My rule is not
>>>> working properly.  It is a simple rule that says if message
>>>> is from "specific person" then delete the message.  The rule
>>>> is not working and I have tried the from option and the
>>>> sender option.  Does anyone have suggestions that I might
>>>> try? I really do enjoy the list but am getting tired of
>>>> sniping.  I live in a real world where that goes on pretty
>>>> regularly and I just don't want to have to deal with it
>>>> here. Thanks for any help. Jim
>>>> 
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Re: mail filtering rules

[Mary Otten]

Thanks, Jim. Yes, I want to set up rules to filter out given senders. But I 
didn't read carefully enough to see that you were using a Mac, rather than a 
phone. I was hoping there was a way to do it on the phone. But I guess I will 
have to dig into the Mac and see how it works there, and hope that will still 
work since I have a Gmail account.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 9:10 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Hi Mary!
> 
> I created a rule and selected "if any of the following conditions are met", 
> then "from", then "contains", then part of the email address that I think 
> would not change, then "move to trash" just to see if it worked, then went 
> back to change the "move to trash" to just "delete.  So far it seems to have 
> worked. If you are asking because you want to set up a rule and need help 
> email me and I'll try to help.  I'm not trying to stir up trouble on the list 
> but this gets old after a while.
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
>> 
>> Jim, how did you do it. 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all!
>>> I've decided to create a rule to filter out messages on this list to remove 
>>> unwanted messages from certain people.  I am having some difficulty with 
>>> the rules.  My rule is not working properly.  It is a simple rule that says 
>>> if message is from "specific person" then delete the message.  The rule is 
>>> not working and I have tried the from option and the sender option.  Does 
>>> anyone have suggestions that I might try?  
>>> I really do enjoy the list but am getting tired of sniping.  I live in a 
>>> real world where that goes on pretty regularly and I just don't want to 
>>> have to deal with it here.
>>> Thanks for any help.
>>> Jim
>>> 
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Re: mail filtering rules

[Jim Gatteys]

It is working for me at the moment.
And, yes the rules are different.  I couldn't decide whether to use the 
"sender" or from" option.  Finally went with from and then the last part of the 
email just in case they had other emails with different letters or whatever.
It does seem to be working and if it doesn't I will try again!
Maybe I posted the rule here with the person's email in it they would get the 
message.  Just kidding.
Jim

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> Have you been able to verify this works? If so I'm going to set this up.
> Sometimes the "from" field is a bit weird on lists. My rules are a bit
> different because I run my own server, but I have the bonus of
> filtering server-side, so that nothing hits my iPhone or anything else.

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Re: mail filtering rules

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Have you been able to verify this works? If so I'm going to set this up.
Sometimes the "from" field is a bit weird on lists. My rules are a bit
different because I run my own server, but I have the bonus of
filtering server-side, so that nothing hits my iPhone or anything else.

On 8/3/2015 12:10 PM, Jim Gatteys wrote:
> Hi Mary!
> 
> I created a rule and selected "if any of the following conditions
> are met", then "from", then "contains", then part of the email
> address that I think would not change, then "move to trash" just to
> see if it worked, then went back to change the "move to trash" to
> just "delete.  So far it seems to have worked. If you are asking
> because you want to set up a rule and need help email me and I'll
> try to help.  I'm not trying to stir up trouble on the list but
> this gets old after a while.
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Jim, how did you do it.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jim Gatteys 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all! I've decided to create a rule to filter out messages on
>>> this list to remove unwanted messages from certain people.  I
>>> am having some difficulty with the rules.  My rule is not
>>> working properly.  It is a simple rule that says if message is
>>> from "specific person" then delete the message.  The rule is
>>> not working and I have tried the from option and the sender
>>> option.  Does anyone have suggestions that I might try? I
>>> really do enjoy the list but am getting tired of sniping.  I
>>> live in a real world where that goes on pretty regularly and I
>>> just don't want to have to deal with it here. Thanks for any
>>> help. Jim
>>> 
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Re: mail filtering rules

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi Mary!

I created a rule and selected "if any of the following conditions are met", 
then "from", then "contains", then part of the email address that I think would 
not change, then "move to trash" just to see if it worked, then went back to 
change the "move to trash" to just "delete.  So far it seems to have worked. If 
you are asking because you want to set up a rule and need help email me and 
I'll try to help.  I'm not trying to stir up trouble on the list but this gets 
old after a while.
  
> On Aug 3, 2015, at 10:38 AM, Mary Otten  wrote:
> 
> Jim, how did you do it. 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all!
>> I've decided to create a rule to filter out messages on this list to remove 
>> unwanted messages from certain people.  I am having some difficulty with the 
>> rules.  My rule is not working properly.  It is a simple rule that says if 
>> message is from "specific person" then delete the message.  The rule is not 
>> working and I have tried the from option and the sender option.  Does anyone 
>> have suggestions that I might try?  
>> I really do enjoy the list but am getting tired of sniping.  I live in a 
>> real world where that goes on pretty regularly and I just don't want to have 
>> to deal with it here.
>> Thanks for any help.
>> Jim
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Re: mail filtering rules

[Mary Otten]

Jim, how did you do it. 


Sent from my iPhone

> On Aug 3, 2015, at 8:18 AM, Jim Gatteys  wrote:
> 
> Hi all!
> I've decided to create a rule to filter out messages on this list to remove 
> unwanted messages from certain people.  I am having some difficulty with the 
> rules.  My rule is not working properly.  It is a simple rule that says if 
> message is from "specific person" then delete the message.  The rule is not 
> working and I have tried the from option and the sender option.  Does anyone 
> have suggestions that I might try?  
> I really do enjoy the list but am getting tired of sniping.  I live in a real 
> world where that goes on pretty regularly and I just don't want to have to 
> deal with it here.
> Thanks for any help.
> Jim
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mail filtering rules

[Jim Gatteys]

Hi all!
I've decided to create a rule to filter out messages on this list to remove 
unwanted messages from certain people.  I am having some difficulty with the 
rules.  My rule is not working properly.  It is a simple rule that says if 
message is from "specific person" then delete the message.  The rule is not 
working and I have tried the from option and the sender option.  Does anyone 
have suggestions that I might try?  
I really do enjoy the list but am getting tired of sniping.  I live in a real 
world where that goes on pretty regularly and I just don't want to have to deal 
with it here.
Thanks for any help.
Jim

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Re: Message rules problem

[danielmcgee134]

Hi ed, that is the case then it would seem logical for the rule not to work. 
I'm not sure how much truth is in it though. I say this because I'm also 
subscribed to a Braille music list which can be found on yahoo groups and have 
also created a rule for any apple vis subscriptions to go into a folder however 
both of these rules end up in my inbox of late which is why I'm thinking 
there's more going on here. Thanks though for letting me know about this with 
bt. Out of interest how did you come to know about this yourself? Are you with 
bt too? 



> On 16 Mar 2015, at 22:31, Edward Green  wrote:
> 
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> Not sure if it’s relevant, but lots of people on lists I’m on are having 
> horrendous problems with BT effectively classifying list mail they receive as 
> junk and moving it to their spam folders.  If the same thing is happening to 
> you, I wonder if the rule is being prevented from working.
> 
> Frilliest seem to have been particularly affected.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Ed
>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 22:23, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> You won't lose any emails if you delete your account. They will be there in 
>> your inbox.
>> 
>> And I cloud alias is an email that you can have when you go into your iCloud 
>> preferences on the web. You can find the option in the more actions menu if 
>> you go to the web. It's like having another email address but it is in your 
>> iCloud account.
>> 
>> Maybe someone else can explain if you don't quite understand.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 6:40 pm, Daniel McGee  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal, I had a thought but wanted your opinion on if it would be safe to 
>>> perform. 
>>> I was thinking of deleting the account from Mail's preferences quitting 
>>> mail, open it again and recreate the account in question. My concern though 
>>> with this is that would I lose any emails that already live in my inbox and 
>>> possibly any contacts that I've created with the contacts app both on the 
>>> Mac and iPhone? The email address is IMAP if that's of any help to you.  
>>> I'm more concerned about losing contacts than emails   if I'm honest.
>>> P.S.
>>> What is an iCloud Alias? Is it where you can use other non related email 
>>> services E.G. AOL, Hotmail etc with your iCloud account? Or, is it specific 
>>> to iCloud email addresses only? 
>>> 
>>> Thanks in advance for any further advice.
>>> 
>>>> On 15 Mar 2015, at 21:38, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Daniel.
>>>> 
>>>> I';ve been waiting for your reply.
>>>> 
>>>> I use an iCloud Alias for all lists that I'm subscribed to leaving my main 
>>>> e-mail address protected.  I have never used a G mail account for this 
>>>> list or any other list.  When I first signed up to this list, there was 
>>>> some instruction to say that you had to have a Gmail account.  However, I 
>>>> signed up to google using an iCloud alias. So I was able to subscribe to 
>>>> this list using an alias.  I do not use Google-mail as I prefer my iCloud 
>>>> aliases and my e-mail ID e-mail.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm sorry that I do not know why you are having trouble with the rules.  
>>>> 
>>>> Hopefully, someone can help you further with this.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 15 Mar 2015, at 19:31, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Kawal, well with a bit of tinkering. I Managed to get the rule from the 
>>>> Mac for the blind list added from icloud..com after this, the mail boxes 
>>>> did appear on all my devices but once a message cane in from that list, it 
>>>> instantly went again into my bulk mailbox. I'd like to ask, are you using 
>>>> your icloud email address for this to actually work? I say this because 
>>>> when you sign up for this list, don't you have to use a gmail account? By 
>>>> the way, the email address that's having trouble with mailing lists is a 
>>>> bt/yahoo account and its the main account that I use. Its also my Apple 
>>>> ID. I created my iCloud address much later wondering if I'd gain anything 
>>>> from having one. I'm also not sure, that by creating the iCloud address, 
>>>> have this changed my Apple ID from my bt one to iCloud?  Very confused as 
>>>> of right now. 
>>>> 
>

Re: Message rules problem

[Edward Green]

Hi Daniel,

Not sure if it’s relevant, but lots of people on lists I’m on are having 
horrendous problems with BT effectively classifying list mail they receive as 
junk and moving it to their spam folders.  If the same thing is happening to 
you, I wonder if the rule is being prevented from working.

Frilliest seem to have been particularly affected.

Cheers,

Ed
> On 16 Mar 2015, at 22:23, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> You won't lose any emails if you delete your account. They will be there in 
> your inbox.
> 
> And I cloud alias is an email that you can have when you go into your iCloud 
> preferences on the web. You can find the option in the more actions menu if 
> you go to the web. It's like having another email address but it is in your 
> iCloud account.
> 
> Maybe someone else can explain if you don't quite understand.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 16 Mar 2015, at 6:40 pm, Daniel McGee  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal, I had a thought but wanted your opinion on if it would be safe to 
>> perform. 
>> I was thinking of deleting the account from Mail's preferences quitting 
>> mail, open it again and recreate the account in question. My concern though 
>> with this is that would I lose any emails that already live in my inbox and 
>> possibly any contacts that I've created with the contacts app both on the 
>> Mac and iPhone? The email address is IMAP if that's of any help to you.  I'm 
>> more concerned about losing contacts than emails   if I'm honest.
>> P.S.
>> What is an iCloud Alias? Is it where you can use other non related email 
>> services E.G. AOL, Hotmail etc with your iCloud account? Or, is it specific 
>> to iCloud email addresses only? 
>> 
>> Thanks in advance for any further advice.
>> 
>>> On 15 Mar 2015, at 21:38, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Daniel.
>>> 
>>> I';ve been waiting for your reply.
>>> 
>>> I use an iCloud Alias for all lists that I'm subscribed to leaving my main 
>>> e-mail address protected.  I have never used a G mail account for this list 
>>> or any other list.  When I first signed up to this list, there was some 
>>> instruction to say that you had to have a Gmail account.  However, I signed 
>>> up to google using an iCloud alias. So I was able to subscribe to this list 
>>> using an alias.  I do not use Google-mail as I prefer my iCloud aliases and 
>>> my e-mail ID e-mail.
>>> 
>>> I'm sorry that I do not know why you are having trouble with the rules.  
>>> 
>>> Hopefully, someone can help you further with this.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 15 Mar 2015, at 19:31, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Kawal, well with a bit of tinkering. I Managed to get the rule from the 
>>> Mac for the blind list added from icloud..com after this, the mail boxes 
>>> did appear on all my devices but once a message cane in from that list, it 
>>> instantly went again into my bulk mailbox. I'd like to ask, are you using 
>>> your icloud email address for this to actually work? I say this because 
>>> when you sign up for this list, don't you have to use a gmail account? By 
>>> the way, the email address that's having trouble with mailing lists is a 
>>> bt/yahoo account and its the main account that I use. Its also my Apple ID. 
>>> I created my iCloud address much later wondering if I'd gain anything from 
>>> having one. I'm also not sure, that by creating the iCloud address, have 
>>> this changed my Apple ID from my bt one to iCloud?  Very confused as of 
>>> right now. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 14 Mar 2015, at 11:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> I went to www.icloud.com and logged in as myself as you can set up global 
>>>> rules so that it doesn't matter if you use an I phone, or Mac mini to get 
>>>> your mail.  You have to interact with the mail frame once you choose to 
>>>> find 'the get mail button' and there where it says more actions, you hit 
>>>> that and you will find out how to get to the messaging rules.
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have time at the moment to write full instructions but when I do, 
>>>> will post to this list.  My rules are flawless and have had no problems.  
>>>> If anyone else has the instructions, they are welcome to write them.
>>>> 
>>>> Kawal.
>>>> On 14 Mar 2015, at 03:51, danielmcgee...@google

Re: Message rules problem

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

You won't lose any emails if you delete your account. They will be there in 
your inbox.

And I cloud alias is an email that you can have when you go into your iCloud 
preferences on the web. You can find the option in the more actions menu if you 
go to the web. It's like having another email address but it is in your iCloud 
account.

Maybe someone else can explain if you don't quite understand.

Kawal.



> On 16 Mar 2015, at 6:40 pm, Daniel McGee  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal, I had a thought but wanted your opinion on if it would be safe to 
> perform. 
> I was thinking of deleting the account from Mail's preferences quitting mail, 
> open it again and recreate the account in question. My concern though with 
> this is that would I lose any emails that already live in my inbox and 
> possibly any contacts that I've created with the contacts app both on the Mac 
> and iPhone? The email address is IMAP if that's of any help to you.  I'm more 
> concerned about losing contacts than emails   if I'm honest.
> P.S.
> What is an iCloud Alias? Is it where you can use other non related email 
> services E.G. AOL, Hotmail etc with your iCloud account? Or, is it specific 
> to iCloud email addresses only? 
> 
> Thanks in advance for any further advice.
> 
>> On 15 Mar 2015, at 21:38, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Daniel.
>> 
>> I';ve been waiting for your reply.
>> 
>> I use an iCloud Alias for all lists that I'm subscribed to leaving my main 
>> e-mail address protected.  I have never used a G mail account for this list 
>> or any other list.  When I first signed up to this list, there was some 
>> instruction to say that you had to have a Gmail account.  However, I signed 
>> up to google using an iCloud alias. So I was able to subscribe to this list 
>> using an alias.  I do not use Google-mail as I prefer my iCloud aliases and 
>> my e-mail ID e-mail.
>> 
>> I'm sorry that I do not know why you are having trouble with the rules.  
>> 
>> Hopefully, someone can help you further with this.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 15 Mar 2015, at 19:31, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Kawal, well with a bit of tinkering. I Managed to get the rule from the 
>> Mac for the blind list added from icloud..com after this, the mail boxes did 
>> appear on all my devices but once a message cane in from that list, it 
>> instantly went again into my bulk mailbox. I'd like to ask, are you using 
>> your icloud email address for this to actually work? I say this because when 
>> you sign up for this list, don't you have to use a gmail account? By the 
>> way, the email address that's having trouble with mailing lists is a 
>> bt/yahoo account and its the main account that I use. Its also my Apple ID. 
>> I created my iCloud address much later wondering if I'd gain anything from 
>> having one. I'm also not sure, that by creating the iCloud address, have 
>> this changed my Apple ID from my bt one to iCloud?  Very confused as of 
>> right now. 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On 14 Mar 2015, at 11:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I went to www.icloud.com and logged in as myself as you can set up global 
>>> rules so that it doesn't matter if you use an I phone, or Mac mini to get 
>>> your mail.  You have to interact with the mail frame once you choose to 
>>> find 'the get mail button' and there where it says more actions, you hit 
>>> that and you will find out how to get to the messaging rules.
>>> 
>>> I don't have time at the moment to write full instructions but when I do, 
>>> will post to this list.  My rules are flawless and have had no problems.  
>>> If anyone else has the instructions, they are welcome to write them.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
>>> On 14 Mar 2015, at 03:51, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi all, this is the last place where I an hoping to get some answers, 
>>> advice call it what you will. Basically, for some quite some months now the 
>>> message rules that I have created with apple mail on my mac no longer work 
>>> at all. For example with the mac for the blind list, all the sender's from 
>>> there end up going into my bulk boulder on the mac and iPhone and iPad mini 
>>> that I have. This is despite having created the message rule for that list 
>>> again which has resolved the problem before but unfortunately doesn't work 
>>> now. Also, I'm subscribed to another list and have created a message rule 
>>> 

Re: Message rules problem

[Daniel McGee]

Hi Kawal, I had a thought but wanted your opinion on if it would be safe to 
perform. 
I was thinking of deleting the account from Mail's preferences quitting mail, 
open it again and recreate the account in question. My concern though with this 
is that would I lose any emails that already live in my inbox and possibly any 
contacts that I've created with the contacts app both on the Mac and iPhone? 
The email address is IMAP if that's of any help to you.  I'm more concerned 
about losing contacts than emails   if I'm honest.
P.S.
What is an iCloud Alias? Is it where you can use other non related email 
services E.G. AOL, Hotmail etc with your iCloud account? Or, is it specific to 
iCloud email addresses only? 

Thanks in advance for any further advice.

On 15 Mar 2015, at 21:38, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello Daniel.
> 
> I';ve been waiting for your reply.
> 
> I use an iCloud Alias for all lists that I'm subscribed to leaving my main 
> e-mail address protected.  I have never used a G mail account for this list 
> or any other list.  When I first signed up to this list, there was some 
> instruction to say that you had to have a Gmail account.  However, I signed 
> up to google using an iCloud alias. So I was able to subscribe to this list 
> using an alias.  I do not use Google-mail as I prefer my iCloud aliases and 
> my e-mail ID e-mail.
> 
> I'm sorry that I do not know why you are having trouble with the rules.  
> 
> Hopefully, someone can help you further with this.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 15 Mar 2015, at 19:31, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi Kawal, well with a bit of tinkering. I Managed to get the rule from the 
> Mac for the blind list added from icloud..com after this, the mail boxes did 
> appear on all my devices but once a message cane in from that list, it 
> instantly went again into my bulk mailbox. I'd like to ask, are you using 
> your icloud email address for this to actually work? I say this because when 
> you sign up for this list, don't you have to use a gmail account? By the way, 
> the email address that's having trouble with mailing lists is a bt/yahoo 
> account and its the main account that I use. Its also my Apple ID. I created 
> my iCloud address much later wondering if I'd gain anything from having one. 
> I'm also not sure, that by creating the iCloud address, have this changed my 
> Apple ID from my bt one to iCloud?  Very confused as of right now. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On 14 Mar 2015, at 11:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> I went to www.icloud.com and logged in as myself as you can set up global 
>> rules so that it doesn't matter if you use an I phone, or Mac mini to get 
>> your mail.  You have to interact with the mail frame once you choose to find 
>> 'the get mail button' and there where it says more actions, you hit that and 
>> you will find out how to get to the messaging rules.
>> 
>> I don't have time at the moment to write full instructions but when I do, 
>> will post to this list.  My rules are flawless and have had no problems.  If 
>> anyone else has the instructions, they are welcome to write them.
>> 
>> Kawal.
>> On 14 Mar 2015, at 03:51, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
>> 
>> Hi all, this is the last place where I an hoping to get some answers, advice 
>> call it what you will. Basically, for some quite some months now the message 
>> rules that I have created with apple mail on my mac no longer work at all. 
>> For example with the mac for the blind list, all the sender's from there end 
>> up going into my bulk boulder on the mac and iPhone and iPad mini that I 
>> have. This is despite having created the message rule for that list again 
>> which has resolved the problem before but unfortunately doesn't work now. 
>> Also, I'm subscribed to another list and have created a message rule for all 
>> apple vis subscriptions to go into a mailbox in order that they didn't 
>> clutter up my main inbox. However, both of these now end up in my inbox 
>> again, having tried to recreate the rule again from scratch which normally 
>> resolved the problem but in short, it didn't. They still end up in the main 
>> inbox. Has anyone got any ideas on what is happening here because I really 
>> have come to a point where I don't know how to fix this. Thank you 
>> 
>> 
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Re: Message rules problem

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Daniel.

I';ve been waiting for your reply.

I use an iCloud Alias for all lists that I'm subscribed to leaving my main 
e-mail address protected.  I have never used a G mail account for this list or 
any other list.  When I first signed up to this list, there was some 
instruction to say that you had to have a Gmail account.  However, I signed up 
to google using an iCloud alias. So I was able to subscribe to this list using 
an alias.  I do not use Google-mail as I prefer my iCloud aliases and my e-mail 
ID e-mail.

I'm sorry that I do not know why you are having trouble with the rules.  

Hopefully, someone can help you further with this.

Kawal.
On 15 Mar 2015, at 19:31, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi Kawal, well with a bit of tinkering. I Managed to get the rule from the Mac 
for the blind list added from icloud..com after this, the mail boxes did appear 
on all my devices but once a message cane in from that list, it instantly went 
again into my bulk mailbox. I'd like to ask, are you using your icloud email 
address for this to actually work? I say this because when you sign up for this 
list, don't you have to use a gmail account? By the way, the email address 
that's having trouble with mailing lists is a bt/yahoo account and its the main 
account that I use. Its also my Apple ID. I created my iCloud address much 
later wondering if I'd gain anything from having one. I'm also not sure, that 
by creating the iCloud address, have this changed my Apple ID from my bt one to 
iCloud?  Very confused as of right now. 



> On 14 Mar 2015, at 11:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I went to www.icloud.com and logged in as myself as you can set up global 
> rules so that it doesn't matter if you use an I phone, or Mac mini to get 
> your mail.  You have to interact with the mail frame once you choose to find 
> 'the get mail button' and there where it says more actions, you hit that and 
> you will find out how to get to the messaging rules.
> 
> I don't have time at the moment to write full instructions but when I do, 
> will post to this list.  My rules are flawless and have had no problems.  If 
> anyone else has the instructions, they are welcome to write them.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 14 Mar 2015, at 03:51, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all, this is the last place where I an hoping to get some answers, advice 
> call it what you will. Basically, for some quite some months now the message 
> rules that I have created with apple mail on my mac no longer work at all. 
> For example with the mac for the blind list, all the sender's from there end 
> up going into my bulk boulder on the mac and iPhone and iPad mini that I 
> have. This is despite having created the message rule for that list again 
> which has resolved the problem before but unfortunately doesn't work now. 
> Also, I'm subscribed to another list and have created a message rule for all 
> apple vis subscriptions to go into a mailbox in order that they didn't 
> clutter up my main inbox. However, both of these now end up in my inbox 
> again, having tried to recreate the rule again from scratch which normally 
> resolved the problem but in short, it didn't. They still end up in the main 
> inbox. Has anyone got any ideas on what is happening here because I really 
> have come to a point where I don't know how to fix this. Thank you 
> 
> 
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Re: Message rules problem

[danielmcgee134]

Hi Kawal, well with a bit of tinkering. I Managed to get the rule from the Mac 
for the blind list added from icloud..com after this, the mail boxes did appear 
on all my devices but once a message cane in from that list, it instantly went 
again into my bulk mailbox. I'd like to ask, are you using your icloud email 
address for this to actually work? I say this because when you sign up for this 
list, don't you have to use a gmail account? By the way, the email address 
that's having trouble with mailing lists is a bt/yahoo account and its the main 
account that I use. Its also my Apple ID. I created my iCloud address much 
later wondering if I'd gain anything from having one. I'm also not sure, that 
by creating the iCloud address, have this changed my Apple ID from my bt one to 
iCloud?  Very confused as of right now. 



> On 14 Mar 2015, at 11:42, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> I went to www.icloud.com and logged in as myself as you can set up global 
> rules so that it doesn't matter if you use an I phone, or Mac mini to get 
> your mail.  You have to interact with the mail frame once you choose to find 
> 'the get mail button' and there where it says more actions, you hit that and 
> you will find out how to get to the messaging rules.
> 
> I don't have time at the moment to write full instructions but when I do, 
> will post to this list.  My rules are flawless and have had no problems.  If 
> anyone else has the instructions, they are welcome to write them.
> 
> Kawal.
> On 14 Mar 2015, at 03:51, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:
> 
> Hi all, this is the last place where I an hoping to get some answers, advice 
> call it what you will. Basically, for some quite some months now the message 
> rules that I have created with apple mail on my mac no longer work at all. 
> For example with the mac for the blind list, all the sender's from there end 
> up going into my bulk boulder on the mac and iPhone and iPad mini that I 
> have. This is despite having created the message rule for that list again 
> which has resolved the problem before but unfortunately doesn't work now. 
> Also, I'm subscribed to another list and have created a message rule for all 
> apple vis subscriptions to go into a mailbox in order that they didn't 
> clutter up my main inbox. However, both of these now end up in my inbox 
> again, having tried to recreate the rule again from scratch which normally 
> resolved the problem but in short, it didn't. They still end up in the main 
> inbox. Has anyone got any ideas on what is happening here because I really 
> have come to a point where I don't know how to fix this. Thank you 
> 
> 
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Re: Message rules problem

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

I went to www.icloud.com and logged in as myself as you can set up global rules 
so that it doesn't matter if you use an I phone, or Mac mini to get your mail.  
You have to interact with the mail frame once you choose to find 'the get mail 
button' and there where it says more actions, you hit that and you will find 
out how to get to the messaging rules.

I don't have time at the moment to write full instructions but when I do, will 
post to this list.  My rules are flawless and have had no problems.  If anyone 
else has the instructions, they are welcome to write them.

Kawal.
On 14 Mar 2015, at 03:51, danielmcgee...@googlemail.com wrote:

Hi all, this is the last place where I an hoping to get some answers, advice 
call it what you will. Basically, for some quite some months now the message 
rules that I have created with apple mail on my mac no longer work at all. For 
example with the mac for the blind list, all the sender's from there end up 
going into my bulk boulder on the mac and iPhone and iPad mini that I have. 
This is despite having created the message rule for that list again which has 
resolved the problem before but unfortunately doesn't work now. Also, I'm 
subscribed to another list and have created a message rule for all apple vis 
subscriptions to go into a mailbox in order that they didn't clutter up my main 
inbox. However, both of these now end up in my inbox again, having tried to 
recreate the rule again from scratch which normally resolved the problem but in 
short, it didn't. They still end up in the main inbox. Has anyone got any ideas 
on what is happening here because I really have come to a point where I don't 
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Message rules problem

[danielmcgee134]

Hi all, this is the last place where I an hoping to get some answers, advice 
call it what you will. Basically, for some quite some months now the message 
rules that I have created with apple mail on my mac no longer work at all. For 
example with the mac for the blind list, all the sender's from there end up 
going into my bulk boulder on the mac and iPhone and iPad mini that I have. 
This is despite having created the message rule for that list again which has 
resolved the problem before but unfortunately doesn't work now. Also, I'm 
subscribed to another list and have created a message rule for all apple vis 
subscriptions to go into a mailbox in order that they didn't clutter up my main 
inbox. However, both of these now end up in my inbox again, having tried to 
recreate the rule again from scratch which normally resolved the problem but in 
short, it didn't. They still end up in the main inbox. Has anyone got any ideas 
on what is happening here because I really have come to a point where I don't 
know how to fix this. Thank you 


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Re: Basic rules for interacting

[Gerard Doody]

Hi all, there is also no problem with trying to interact as you will find out 
quickly if you can't 
Jerry 
On Feb 8, 2015, at 5:23 am, Piotr Machacz  wrote:

You can interact with anything that's likely to contain other items. IE a tool 
bar will have buttons in it, a table has various items, scroll areas are parts 
of the screen that have a lot of controls, html, etc. Sometimes, it's not 
obvious that you can interact with something to get even more items (like the 
styles in pages), but most of the time it's obvious. You can always turn on 
VoiceOver control hints, and it will tell you when something can be interacted 
with
On 2/8/2015 7:47 AM, Pamela Francis wrote:
> Hi folks,
> I know this is an elementary question, I should know it, however there are 
> times I screw it up. A friend was working with me to help me make rules for a 
> mailbox. There are times I know when to interact and when not to. Is there a 
> basic rule of thumb one can follow in order to know when to do this and when 
> not to?
> Thanks much
> 
> Pam Francis
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Re: Basic rules for interacting

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Normally you can interact with containers. Scroll areas, tables, toolbars, 
groups, HTML contents, and probably a few others I'm forgetting. Note that to 
review the contents of some of these items, interacting is not always required 
(particularly true of tables). You can also interact with just about anything 
including button names, checkboxes, text labels, and so on if you need to 
examine how text in those items is spelled.
> On Feb 8, 2015, at 1:47 AM, Pamela Francis  wrote:
> 
> Hi folks,
> I know this is an elementary question, I should know it, however there are 
> times I screw it up. A friend was working with me to help me make rules for a 
> mailbox. There are times I know when to interact and when not to. Is there a 
> basic rule of thumb one can follow in order to know when to do this and when 
> not to?
> Thanks much
> 
> Pam Francis
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Re: Basic rules for interacting

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You can interact with anything that's likely to contain other items. IE 
a tool bar will have buttons in it, a table has various items, scroll 
areas are parts of the screen that have a lot of controls, html, etc. 
Sometimes, it's not obvious that you can interact with something to get 
even more items (like the styles in pages), but most of the time it's 
obvious. You can always turn on VoiceOver control hints, and it will 
tell you when something can be interacted with

On 2/8/2015 7:47 AM, Pamela Francis wrote:

Hi folks,
I know this is an elementary question, I should know it, however there are 
times I screw it up. A friend was working with me to help me make rules for a 
mailbox. There are times I know when to interact and when not to. Is there a 
basic rule of thumb one can follow in order to know when to do this and when 
not to?
Thanks much

Pam Francis



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Basic rules for interacting

[Pamela Francis]

Hi folks,
I know this is an elementary question, I should know it, however there are 
times I screw it up. A friend was working with me to help me make rules for a 
mailbox. There are times I know when to interact and when not to. Is there a 
basic rule of thumb one can follow in order to know when to do this and when 
not to?
Thanks much

Pam Francis

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Re: Creating Message /rules.

[ernest mccullough]

No, just this mac as my windows PC stopped working.
On Dec 17, 2014, at 9:15 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> Sorry, one more question. Do you have multiple systems that you read mail on? 
> If so, you should use GMail filters so yor rules are appled to every computer.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:45 AM, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Hello:
>> Thanks for the information. I'd like, for example, all of the messages from 
>> John Smith to disappear from th inbox using message rules. How do I do this?
>>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>>> 
>>> This depends on what you want. If you want all the messages from John Smith 
>>> to be available in one place but also to read them from your Inbox than a 
>>> Smart Mailbox is the way to go.
>>> 
>>> If you want all the messages from John Smith to disappear from the Inbox 
>>> and Appear in their own folder than you should use rules.
>>> 
>>> A smart mailbox is just a stored search function. It can search one or more 
>>> mailboxes for the anything that you can search from in the Mail bulbar. The 
>>> only difference is that you don’t have to recreate the search.
>>> 
>>> These smart Mailboxes or folders are also available in iTunes as Smart 
>>> PlayLists (Create a random playlist of all songs I have not skipped more 
>>> than 5 times  from the Beatles with no more than 50 minutes of playtime for 
>>> example.
>>> 
>>> In the finder they are called smart folders. 
>>> 
>>> Best wishes,
>>> 
>>> Jonathan
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 15:34, Christopher Hallsworth 
>>>>  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Isn't what smart mailboxes can do? Creates a mailbox based on criteria you 
>>>> choose?
>>>> 
>>>>> On 16/12/2014 13:41, ernest mccullough wrote:
>>>>> Hello:
>>>>> I used to know how to create a message so that messages from a specific 
>>>>> person can go to it's own mailbox but I forgot how to do it, as I haven't 
>>>>> used my mac in a while. I attempted to do it lat night, it kept saying 
>>>>> create message rules but when I pressed enter, it went back to the 
>>>>> message itself. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>> Thanks.
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Re: Creating Message /rules.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

Sorry, one more question. Do you have multiple systems that you read mail on? 
If so, you should use GMail filters so yor rules are appled to every computer.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:45 AM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
> Hello:
> Thanks for the information. I'd like, for example, all of the messages from 
> John Smith to disappear from th inbox using message rules. How do I do this?
>> On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:
>> 
>> This depends on what you want. If you want all the messages from John Smith 
>> to be available in one place but also to read them from your Inbox than a 
>> Smart Mailbox is the way to go.
>> 
>> If you want all the messages from John Smith to disappear from the Inbox and 
>> Appear in their own folder than you should use rules.
>> 
>> A smart mailbox is just a stored search function. It can search one or more 
>> mailboxes for the anything that you can search from in the Mail bulbar. The 
>> only difference is that you don’t have to recreate the search.
>> 
>> These smart Mailboxes or folders are also available in iTunes as Smart 
>> PlayLists (Create a random playlist of all songs I have not skipped more 
>> than 5 times  from the Beatles with no more than 50 minutes of playtime for 
>> example.
>> 
>> In the finder they are called smart folders. 
>> 
>> Best wishes,
>> 
>> Jonathan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> On Dec 16, 2014, at 15:34, Christopher Hallsworth  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Isn't what smart mailboxes can do? Creates a mailbox based on criteria you 
>>> choose?
>>> 
>>>> On 16/12/2014 13:41, ernest mccullough wrote:
>>>> Hello:
>>>> I used to know how to create a message so that messages from a specific 
>>>> person can go to it's own mailbox but I forgot how to do it, as I haven't 
>>>> used my mac in a while. I attempted to do it lat night, it kept saying 
>>>> create message rules but when I pressed enter, it went back to the message 
>>>> itself. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>>> Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Creating Message /rules.

[ernest mccullough]

Hello:
Thanks for the information. I'd like, for example, all of the messages from 
John Smith to disappear from th inbox using message rules. How do I do this?
On Dec 17, 2014, at 7:36 AM, Jonathan C. Cohn wrote:

> This depends on what you want. If you want all the messages from John Smith 
> to be available in one place but also to read them from your Inbox than a 
> Smart Mailbox is the way to go.
> 
> If you want all the messages from John Smith to disappear from the Inbox and 
> Appear in their own folder than you should use rules.
> 
> A smart mailbox is just a stored search function. It can search one or more 
> mailboxes for the anything that you can search from in the Mail bulbar. The 
> only difference is that you don’t have to recreate the search.
> 
> These smart Mailboxes or folders are also available in iTunes as Smart 
> PlayLists (Create a random playlist of all songs I have not skipped more than 
> 5 times  from the Beatles with no more than 50 minutes of playtime for 
> example.
> 
> In the finder they are called smart folders. 
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 16, 2014, at 15:34, Christopher Hallsworth  
> wrote:
> 
>> Isn't what smart mailboxes can do? Creates a mailbox based on criteria you 
>> choose?
>> 
>> On 16/12/2014 13:41, ernest mccullough wrote:
>>> Hello:
>>> I used to know how to create a message so that messages from a specific 
>>> person can go to it's own mailbox but I forgot how to do it, as I haven't 
>>> used my mac in a while. I attempted to do it lat night, it kept saying 
>>> create message rules but when I pressed enter, it went back to the message 
>>> itself. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>> 
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Re: Creating Message /rules.

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

This depends on what you want. If you want all the messages from John Smith to 
be available in one place but also to read them from your Inbox than a Smart 
Mailbox is the way to go.

If you want all the messages from John Smith to disappear from the Inbox and 
Appear in their own folder than you should use rules.

A smart mailbox is just a stored search function. It can search one or more 
mailboxes for the anything that you can search from in the Mail bulbar. The 
only difference is that you don’t have to recreate the search.

These smart Mailboxes or folders are also available in iTunes as Smart 
PlayLists (Create a random playlist of all songs I have not skipped more than 5 
times  from the Beatles with no more than 50 minutes of playtime for example.

In the finder they are called smart folders. 

Best wishes,

Jonathan



On Dec 16, 2014, at 15:34, Christopher Hallsworth  
wrote:

> Isn't what smart mailboxes can do? Creates a mailbox based on criteria you 
> choose?
> 
> On 16/12/2014 13:41, ernest mccullough wrote:
>> Hello:
>> I used to know how to create a message so that messages from a specific 
>> person can go to it's own mailbox but I forgot how to do it, as I haven't 
>> used my mac in a while. I attempted to do it lat night, it kept saying 
>> create message rules but when I pressed enter, it went back to the message 
>> itself. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Creating Message /rules.

[ernest mccullough]

That's right. Maybe I'll give that a try. Thanks so much.
On Dec 16, 2014, at 3:34 PM, Christopher Hallsworth wrote:

> Isn't what smart mailboxes can do? Creates a mailbox based on criteria you 
> choose?
> 
> On 16/12/2014 13:41, ernest mccullough wrote:
>> Hello:
>> I used to know how to create a message so that messages from a specific 
>> person can go to it's own mailbox but I forgot how to do it, as I haven't 
>> used my mac in a while. I attempted to do it lat night, it kept saying 
>> create message rules but when I pressed enter, it went back to the message 
>> itself. Any help would be greatly appreciated.
>> Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Creating Message /rules.

[Christopher Hallsworth]

Isn't what smart mailboxes can do? Creates a mailbox based on criteria 
you choose?


On 16/12/2014 13:41, ernest mccullough wrote:

Hello:
I used to know how to create a message so that messages from a specific person 
can go to it's own mailbox but I forgot how to do it, as I haven't used my mac 
in a while. I attempted to do it lat night, it kept saying create message rules 
but when I pressed enter, it went back to the message itself. Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.
Thanks.



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Creating Message /rules.

[ernest mccullough]

Hello: 
I used to know how to create a message so that messages from a specific person 
can go to it's own mailbox but I forgot how to do it, as I haven't used my mac 
in a while. I attempted to do it lat night, it kept saying create message rules 
but when I pressed enter, it went back to the message itself. Any help would be 
greatly appreciated.
Thanks.

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Re: Strange things with iCloud rules.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thank you. I found the button.



> On 8 Dec 2014, at 8:20 am, Andrew Lamanche  wrote:
> 
> I haven’t had the time to try it this morning but just a quick suggestion to 
> try, when on the page where you think the menu button should be, use 
> vo+command+j to go through various controls, and you might find it.  I find 
> this helpful whenever I fail to find a button on a page.  They sometimes 
> hide. 
> 
> Andrew
>> On 7 Dec 2014, at 17:48, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> This morning, I was able to make a new rule using iCloud.com using my Mac 
>> mini.
>> 
>> Now, I try to do the same in IMac using the same iCloud.com but can’t find 
>> the menu option in iCloud using the browser as I go to the Get mail button 
>> and vo right but find no menu button.
>> 
>> If anyone can help me with where the menu button might be then I’d be most 
>> grateful.
>> 
>> Thank you.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Strange things with iCloud rules.

[Andrew Lamanche]

I haven’t had the time to try it this morning but just a quick suggestion to 
try, when on the page where you think the menu button should be, use 
vo+command+j to go through various controls, and you might find it.  I find 
this helpful whenever I fail to find a button on a page.  They sometimes hide. 


Andrew
> On 7 Dec 2014, at 17:48, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> This morning, I was able to make a new rule using iCloud.com using my Mac 
> mini.
> 
> Now, I try to do the same in IMac using the same iCloud.com but can’t find 
> the menu option in iCloud using the browser as I go to the Get mail button 
> and vo right but find no menu button.
> 
> If anyone can help me with where the menu button might be then I’d be most 
> grateful.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
> Kawal.
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Rules.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hi.

I think I’ve fixed my iCloud rule options in www.icloud.com 


The site seems a bit better than what it was in Mavericks.

So I hope this works.

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Strange things with iCloud rules.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

This morning, I was able to make a new rule using iCloud.com using my Mac mini.

Now, I try to do the same in IMac using the same iCloud.com but can’t find the 
menu option in iCloud using the browser as I go to the Get mail button and vo 
right but find no menu button.

If anyone can help me with where the menu button might be then I’d be most 
grateful.

Thank you.

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Re: I Cloud Rules?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thank you very much. I hope you're well.



> On 7 Dec 2014, at 1:25 am, Kliph  wrote:
> 
> It is still done the same way.  You just have to get to it a different way.  
> What I do is go to mail, preferences, accounts, and go to where it asks where 
> I want to send my mail from.  Then I vo space bar on that pop up menu, go to 
> where it says edit alias, and that takes me to the icloud.com website.  I 
> find rules, and instead of vo space bar on rules, you have to do the mouse 
> down command, then mouse up command.  Once you do this, you will be able to 
> find your rules, and set them up the same way.
> HTH
> 
>> On Dec 6, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> In Mavericks, we are able to set Global rules for our mailboxes using 
>> www.icloud.com as I set up many rules at the time and wrote a helpful to do 
>> guide on it.
>> 
>> Now that I have Yosemite and set up different mailboxes to do the very same, 
>> to sign into www.icloud.com on my I Mac, thought I could do the same.
>> 
>> So I sign into I Cloud.com and find that the global preferences are not 
>> there.  We have settings, I cloud drive contacts, calendars but no frame for 
>> preferences.  So if someone could tell me how we are to set global rule 
>> preferences please now?
>> 
>> Thank you very much.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: I Cloud Rules?

[Kliph]

It is still done the same way.  You just have to get to it a different way.  
What I do is go to mail, preferences, accounts, and go to where it asks where I 
want to send my mail from.  Then I vo space bar on that pop up menu, go to 
where it says edit alias, and that takes me to the icloud.com 
<http://icloud.com/> website.  I find rules, and instead of vo space bar on 
rules, you have to do the mouse down command, then mouse up command.  Once you 
do this, you will be able to find your rules, and set them up the same way.
HTH

> On Dec 6, 2014, at 3:35 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
> 
> Hello.
> 
> In Mavericks, we are able to set Global rules for our mailboxes using 
> www.icloud.com <http://www.icloud.com/> as I set up many rules at the time 
> and wrote a helpful to do guide on it.
> 
> Now that I have Yosemite and set up different mailboxes to do the very same, 
> to sign into www.icloud.com <http://www.icloud.com/> on my I Mac, thought I 
> could do the same.
> 
> So I sign into I Cloud.com <http://cloud.com/> and find that the global 
> preferences are not there.  We have settings, I cloud drive contacts, 
> calendars but no frame for preferences.  So if someone could tell me how we 
> are to set global rule preferences please now?
> 
> Thank you very much.
> 
> Kawal.
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I Cloud Rules?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

In Mavericks, we are able to set Global rules for our mailboxes using 
www.icloud.com <http://www.icloud.com/> as I set up many rules at the time and 
wrote a helpful to do guide on it.

Now that I have Yosemite and set up different mailboxes to do the very same, to 
sign into www.icloud.com <http://www.icloud.com/> on my I Mac, thought I could 
do the same.

So I sign into I Cloud.com <http://cloud.com/> and find that the global 
preferences are not there.  We have settings, I cloud drive contacts, calendars 
but no frame for preferences.  So if someone could tell me how we are to set 
global rule preferences please now?

Thank you very much.

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Re: Accessible Server Side Rules?

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Kawal. They are controlled via a simple web form with edit boxes and combo 
boxes. It's extremely straightforward.
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On 27/08/2014, at 11:14 pm, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello jonathan.
> 
> Please tell me how your Server Side Rules work please as I at present use 
> rule settings In I cloud to do this but it is messy.
> 
> Thank you.
> 
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Accessible Server Side Rules?

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello jonathan.

Please tell me how your Server Side Rules work please as I at present use rule 
settings In I cloud to do this but it is messy.

Thank you.

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Re: Adding rules for mail.

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

Performing this on the web is a good idea for sure, but only necessary if 
you're accessing the messages from multiple devices.  Know that if you create a 
mailbox or folder on your Mac within the iCloud mail account, this 
mailbox/folder will automatically be accessible from all your other devices 
using that iCloud account.  So, a sneaky thing you can do if you're using a 
desktop Mac, is just to leave your Mail open and as messages come in, they'll 
be put into the places you want them to go using just rules on the Mac.  For 
security, I'd make sure your Mac requires a password to come out of 
sleep/screen saver.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On Jul 2, 2014, at 8:56 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Thanks Alex. I'll get back to you or anyone if I need help.
> 
> On 3 Jul 2014, at 03:52 am, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
>> Once you log into iCloud on the web, hit the mail button. After a few 
>> seconds, you'll be somewhere in the Mail frame, possibly one level too deep. 
>> Stop interacting until you're at the top level of the frame (easiest to just 
>> stop interacting with the frame and then interact with it). Find and 
>> activate the Rules button, then the Rules tab, then the "add a rule" button. 
>> The trick is to stop interacting with the Mail frame, then interact again, 
>> if you hit a button but nothing seems to happen - for whatever reason, this 
>> causes VO's focus to see the updated frame. Once you add your rule, using 
>> the buttons and edit boxes (all of which are labeled and clear) hit the 
>> "done" button, then find and hit the next "done" button, and you're all set. 
>> It sounds harder than it is, believe me, and maybe someone else knows an 
>> easier way. Either way, if you get stuck, email the list and we can try to 
>> work through it in more detail.
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello.
>>> 
>>> Please can someone tell me how I can add a rule so that I can subscribe to 
>>> the VIPHONE list and the mail can go to a specific folder as I have never 
>>> been able to do that successfully. I know I'd have to do it on the web 
>>> because I have Icloud.
>>> 
>>> Thank you for your help.
>>> 
>>> Kawal.
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Re: Adding rules for mail.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Thanks Alex. I'll get back to you or anyone if I need help.

> On 3 Jul 2014, at 03:52 am, Alex Hall  wrote:
> 
> Once you log into iCloud on the web, hit the mail button. After a few 
> seconds, you'll be somewhere in the Mail frame, possibly one level too deep. 
> Stop interacting until you're at the top level of the frame (easiest to just 
> stop interacting with the frame and then interact with it). Find and activate 
> the Rules button, then the Rules tab, then the "add a rule" button. The trick 
> is to stop interacting with the Mail frame, then interact again, if you hit a 
> button but nothing seems to happen - for whatever reason, this causes VO's 
> focus to see the updated frame. Once you add your rule, using the buttons and 
> edit boxes (all of which are labeled and clear) hit the "done" button, then 
> find and hit the next "done" button, and you're all set. It sounds harder 
> than it is, believe me, and maybe someone else knows an easier way. Either 
> way, if you get stuck, email the list and we can try to work through it in 
> more detail.
>> On Jul 2, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello.
>> 
>> Please can someone tell me how I can add a rule so that I can subscribe to 
>> the VIPHONE list and the mail can go to a specific folder as I have never 
>> been able to do that successfully. I know I'd have to do it on the web 
>> because I have Icloud.
>> 
>> Thank you for your help.
>> 
>> Kawal.
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Re: Adding rules for mail.

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Once you log into iCloud on the web, hit the mail button. After a few seconds, 
you'll be somewhere in the Mail frame, possibly one level too deep. Stop 
interacting until you're at the top level of the frame (easiest to just stop 
interacting with the frame and then interact with it). Find and activate the 
Rules button, then the Rules tab, then the "add a rule" button. The trick is to 
stop interacting with the Mail frame, then interact again, if you hit a button 
but nothing seems to happen - for whatever reason, this causes VO's focus to 
see the updated frame. Once you add your rule, using the buttons and edit boxes 
(all of which are labeled and clear) hit the "done" button, then find and hit 
the next "done" button, and you're all set. It sounds harder than it is, 
believe me, and maybe someone else knows an easier way. Either way, if you get 
stuck, email the list and we can try to work through it in more detail.
On Jul 2, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Hello.
> 
> Please can someone tell me how I can add a rule so that I can subscribe to 
> the VIPHONE list and the mail can go to a specific folder as I have never 
> been able to do that successfully. I know I'd have to do it on the web 
> because I have Icloud.
> 
> Thank you for your help.
> 
> Kawal.
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Adding rules for mail.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello.

Please can someone tell me how I can add a rule so that I can subscribe to the 
VIPHONE list and the mail can go to a specific folder as I have never been able 
to do that successfully. I know I'd have to do it on the web because I have 
Icloud.

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Re: rules not working

[Jessica]

gt; 
> 6. Tab to "cotain these words". Leave this field empty.
> 
> 7. Tab to "do not contain". Leave this field empty.
> 
> 8. Tab to have attachment. Leave this empty.
> 
> 9. Before you tab to next step, be aware of that the only field you enter any 
> text or mark is in the field "to". Tab to the knob "next step" A new window 
> containing an headline called "make a filter" a table called something like 
> chose an action or command for this filter.
> 
> 10. Tab to jump over the inbox. Place a check mark here. Very important.
> 
> 11. Tab to mark it with a star. Leave this empty.
> 
> 12. Tab to use the label. Make a check mark here. Very important.
> 
> 13. Tab once to a know with a drop down list.Find the Label or Map called 
> "viphone and hit it. Important: check that the Label viphone are chosen.
> 
> 14. Tab to "delete it". Leave this field empty.
> 
> 15. Tab to "do also use this filter on the conversations below. Leave this 
> field empty. Very important that this field is empty. You can chose to check 
> mark this step if you want to filter the mail you already have in your 
> mailboxes. The reason why i did not recommended this is that it can take 
> several days if you have 20 000 emails +. The emails will be filtered htough 
> e.e. old emails.
> 
> 16. Tab to "make filter". Finished. 
> 
> 
> 
> Now all the e-post sent to viph...@googlegroups.com will be sent to the label 
> or map called viphone. This Label will reside in the last list under your 
> inbox, sendt e-mail, delete etc. If it do not work, you have entered wrong 
> address i.e. email address, period. It works. If you do exactly as described 
> above. 
> 
> 
> 
> You will receive exactly the same 3000 emails as before, but the will be in 
> the label viphone. You have therefore more space in your inbox for non list 
> emails. You can do these steps for any list or from any sender. You can test 
> the other options and delete those filters which do not works. Let us think 
> about 8000 thousand emails. You can have 4 Labels or Maps containing 2000 in 
> each. And only have 70 emails in your inbox with more private subjects ore 
> none email list post.
> 
> 
> 
> Take care 
> 
> 
> 12. mai 2014 kl. 17:07 skrev Tim Kilburn :
> 
> Hi,
> 
> In order for rules to sync across devices, you'll need to create these rules 
> at the web interface level instead of the individual app level.  That is, if 
> you create the rule in Mail on your Mac, it is not applied to any other Mac 
> nor your iDevices.  Whereas, when you create the rule at the web-interface 
> point, these rules get applied prior to reaching your Mac or iDevice thus all 
> devices are synced.
> 
> Later...
> 
> Tim Kilburn
> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
> 
> On May 12, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Jessica  wrote:
> 
>> hi
>> I am trying to use rules to organize my meal. the rules are not working. I 
>> created them using the mail app. they are mainly for my gmail account, 
>> however, I do want them to work and sync across devices.
>> How can i accomplish this task? How easy is it to do using voiceover on my 
>> mac?
>> Jessica
>> jldai...@gmail.com
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Kerri  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello, Ernst:
>>> 
>>> I'll first outline how to create a signature.
>>> 1. Press command plus coma to bring up preferences. 
>>> 2. Tab to signatures and press VO space bar.
>>> 3. once in the "signatures table" you may see two options, "all signatures" 
>>> and one that has your iso, in this case, I see a "shaw option" I find that 
>>> the iso one is superior so press space bar on it to select. Here you can 
>>> title your signature.
>>> 
>>> 4. vo right arrow until yo hear "add buwhich when pressed brings up an edit 
>>> text box where you can title your signature. 
>>> 5. once you have typed n a name, vo right arrow again until you hear 
>>> another edit field where you copy or type in the signature.
>>> 6. If you continue to vo right arrow, you hear " wlays match my default 
>>> font" then"put signature on top of quoted text"  . you can also when you 
>>> have more than one signature, you see a pop up button which allows you to 
>>> choose if you want them assigned at random, none,in consecutive order or 
>>> one which you use constantly.  
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> ***
>>> "Cats know how we feel. They don't care, but they know."
>>

Re: rules not working

[Terje Strømberg]

ed 
"viphone and hit it. Important: check that the Label viphone are chosen.

14. Tab to "delete it". Leave this field empty.

15. Tab to "do also use this filter on the conversations below. Leave this 
field empty. Very important that this field is empty. You can chose to check 
mark this step if you want to filter the mail you already have in your 
mailboxes. The reason why i did not recommended this is that it can take 
several days if you have 20 000 emails +. The emails will be filtered htough 
e.e. old emails.

16. Tab to "make filter". Finished. 



Now all the e-post sent to viph...@googlegroups.com will be sent to the label 
or map called viphone. This Label will reside in the last list under your 
inbox, sendt e-mail, delete etc. If it do not work, you have entered wrong 
address i.e. email address, period. It works. If you do exactly as described 
above. 



You will receive exactly the same 3000 emails as before, but the will be in the 
label viphone. You have therefore more space in your inbox for non list emails. 
You can do these steps for any list or from any sender. You can test the other 
options and delete those filters which do not works. Let us think about 8000 
thousand emails. You can have 4 Labels or Maps containing 2000 in each. And 
only have 70 emails in your inbox with more private subjects ore none email 
list post.



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12. mai 2014 kl. 17:07 skrev Tim Kilburn :

Hi,

In order for rules to sync across devices, you'll need to create these rules at 
the web interface level instead of the individual app level.  That is, if you 
create the rule in Mail on your Mac, it is not applied to any other Mac nor 
your iDevices.  Whereas, when you create the rule at the web-interface point, 
these rules get applied prior to reaching your Mac or iDevice thus all devices 
are synced.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 12, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Jessica  wrote:

> hi
> I am trying to use rules to organize my meal. the rules are not working. I 
> created them using the mail app. they are mainly for my gmail account, 
> however, I do want them to work and sync across devices.
> How can i accomplish this task? How easy is it to do using voiceover on my 
> mac?
> Jessica
> jldai...@gmail.com
> 
> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> Hello, Ernst:
>> 
>> I'll first outline how to create a signature.
>> 1. Press command plus coma to bring up preferences. 
>> 2. Tab to signatures and press VO space bar.
>> 3. once in the "signatures table" you may see two options, "all signatures" 
>> and one that has your iso, in this case, I see a "shaw option" I find that 
>> the iso one is superior so press space bar on it to select. Here you can 
>> title your signature.
>> 
>> 4. vo right arrow until yo hear "add buwhich when pressed brings up an edit 
>> text box where you can title your signature. 
>> 5. once you have typed n a name, vo right arrow again until you hear another 
>> edit field where you copy or type in the signature.
>> 6. If you continue to vo right arrow, you hear " wlays match my default 
>> font" then"put signature on top of quoted text"  . you can also when you 
>> have more than one signature, you see a pop up button which allows you to 
>> choose if you want them assigned at random, none,in consecutive order or one 
>> which you use constantly.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ***
>> "Cats know how we feel. They don't care, but they know."
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:32 AM, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> For now, I'd like to know how to do two things.
>>> 1.
>>> How do you make messages from a specific individual go to another mailbox?
>>> 2.
>>> How do you create a signature to put at the bottom of your messages?
>>> Thanks so much in advance.
>>> 
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Re: rules not working

[Pete Nalda]

Nevermind. Wrong reply. Ignore. 

Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
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> On May 12, 2014, at 11:09 AM, Pete Nalda  wrote:
> 
> Ok. Here is the app in action. 
> My book was rather fat, thus tilted, but you can see my point. The app is 
> at:https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/magnifying-glass-light-digital/id406048120?mt=8
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> 
> Egun On, Lagunak! (basque for G'day, Mates
> Louie P (Pete) Nalda
> MySpace.com/musikonalda
> Facebook.com/lpnalda
> Linkedin.com/in/lpnalda
> Twitter: @lpnalda
> On May 12, 2014, at 10:07 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> In order for rules to sync across devices, you’ll need to create these rules 
>> at the web interface level instead of the individual app level.  That is, if 
>> you create the rule in Mail on your Mac, it is not applied to any other Mac 
>> nor your iDevices.  Whereas, when you create the rule at the web-interface 
>> point, these rules get applied prior to reaching your Mac or iDevice thus 
>> all devices are synced.
>> 
>> Later…
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>>> On May 12, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Jessica  wrote:
>>> 
>>> hi
>>> I am trying to use rules to organize my meal. the rules are not working. I 
>>> created them using the mail app. they are mainly for my gmail account, 
>>> however, I do want them to work and sync across devices.
>>> How can i accomplish this task? How easy is it to do using voiceover on my 
>>> mac?
>>> Jessica
>>> jldai...@gmail.com
>>> 
>>>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Kerri  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello, Ernst:
>>>> 
>>>> I’ll first outline how to create a signature.
>>>> 1. Press command plus coma to bring up preferences.
>>>> 2. Tab to signatures and press VO space bar.
>>>> 3. once in the “signatures table” you may see two options, “all 
>>>> signatures” and one that has your iso, in this case, I see a “shaw option” 
>>>> I find that the iso one is superior so press space bar on it to select. 
>>>> Here you can title your signature.
>>>> 
>>>> 4. vo right arrow until yo hear “add buwhich when pressed brings up an 
>>>> edit text box where you can title your signature. 
>>>> 5. once you have typed n a name, vo right arrow again until you hear 
>>>> another edit field where you copy or type in the signature.
>>>> 6. If you continue to vo right arrow, you hear “ wlays match my default 
>>>> font” then“put signature on top of quoted text”  . you can also when you 
>>>> have more than one signature, you see a pop up button which allows you to 
>>>> choose if you want them assigned at random, none,in consecutive order or 
>>>> one which you use constantly.  
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ***
>>>> "Cats know how we feel. They don't care, but they know."
>>>> 
>>>>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:32 AM, ernest mccullough 
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hello:
>>>>> For now, I'd like to know how to do two things.
>>>>> 1.
>>>>> How do you make messages from a specific individual go to another mailbox?
>>>>> 2.
>>>>> How do you create a signature to put at the bottom of your messages?
>>>>> Thanks so much in advance.
>>>>> 
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>>>>> "MacVisionaries" group.
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Re: rules not working

[Tim Kilburn]

Hi,

In order for rules to sync across devices, you'll need to create these rules at 
the web interface level instead of the individual app level.  That is, if you 
create the rule in Mail on your Mac, it is not applied to any other Mac nor 
your iDevices.  Whereas, when you create the rule at the web-interface point, 
these rules get applied prior to reaching your Mac or iDevice thus all devices 
are synced.

Later...

Tim Kilburn
Fort McMurray, AB Canada

On May 12, 2014, at 9:02 AM, Jessica  wrote:

> hi
> I am trying to use rules to organize my meal. the rules are not working. I 
> created them using the mail app. they are mainly for my gmail account, 
> however, I do want them to work and sync across devices.
> How can i accomplish this task? How easy is it to do using voiceover on my 
> mac?
> Jessica
> jldai...@gmail.com
> 
> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Kerri  wrote:
> 
>> Hello, Ernst:
>> 
>> I'll first outline how to create a signature.
>> 1. Press command plus coma to bring up preferences. 
>> 2. Tab to signatures and press VO space bar.
>> 3. once in the "signatures table" you may see two options, "all signatures" 
>> and one that has your iso, in this case, I see a "shaw option" I find that 
>> the iso one is superior so press space bar on it to select. Here you can 
>> title your signature.
>> 
>> 4. vo right arrow until yo hear "add buwhich when pressed brings up an edit 
>> text box where you can title your signature. 
>> 5. once you have typed n a name, vo right arrow again until you hear another 
>> edit field where you copy or type in the signature.
>> 6. If you continue to vo right arrow, you hear " wlays match my default 
>> font" then"put signature on top of quoted text"  . you can also when you 
>> have more than one signature, you see a pop up button which allows you to 
>> choose if you want them assigned at random, none,in consecutive order or one 
>> which you use constantly.  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> ***
>> "Cats know how we feel. They don't care, but they know."
>> 
>> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:32 AM, ernest mccullough  
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello:
>>> For now, I'd like to know how to do two things.
>>> 1.
>>> How do you make messages from a specific individual go to another mailbox?
>>> 2.
>>> How do you create a signature to put at the bottom of your messages?
>>> Thanks so much in advance.
>>> 
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rules not working

[Jessica]

hi
I am trying to use rules to organize my meal. the rules are not working. I 
created them using the mail app. they are mainly for my gmail account, however, 
I do want them to work and sync across devices.
How can i accomplish this task? How easy is it to do using voiceover on my mac?
Jessica
jldai...@gmail.com

On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:08 PM, Kerri  wrote:

> Hello, Ernst:
> 
> I'll first outline how to create a signature.
> 1. Press command plus coma to bring up preferences. 
> 2. Tab to signatures and press VO space bar.
> 3. once in the "signatures table" you may see two options, "all signatures" 
> and one that has your iso, in this case, I see a "shaw option" I find that 
> the iso one is superior so press space bar on it to select. Here you can 
> title your signature.
> 
> 4. vo right arrow until yo hear "add buwhich when pressed brings up an edit 
> text box where you can title your signature. 
> 5. once you have typed n a name, vo right arrow again until you hear another 
> edit field where you copy or type in the signature.
> 6. If you continue to vo right arrow, you hear " wlays match my default font" 
> then"put signature on top of quoted text"  . you can also when you have more 
> than one signature, you see a pop up button which allows you to choose if you 
> want them assigned at random, none,in consecutive order or one which you use 
> constantly.  
> 
> 
> 
> 
> ***
> "Cats know how we feel. They don't care, but they know."
> 
> On Apr 14, 2014, at 6:32 AM, ernest mccullough  
> wrote:
> 
>> Hello:
>> For now, I'd like to know how to do two things.
>> 1.
>> How do you make messages from a specific individual go to another mailbox?
>> 2.
>> How do you create a signature to put at the bottom of your messages?
>> Thanks so much in advance.
>> 
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Creatimg rules on icloud.com

[Jessica]

Hi
Cam i please have step by step instructions for using ic-oud.com to create 
rules that would sync across devices?

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Re: Help Saving rules on the iCloud Site

[Teresa Cochran]

http://icloud.com/#mail
You may have to sign in, and you may have to press the mail button. Also, it is 
very tricky to navigate. Each time you change something, you'll have to stop 
interacting and re-interact with the Mail frame. You'll have to interact with 
the Mailboxes are, press the "show actions" button, go back in and press 
'rules". Once you complete the rule, there are two "done" buttons you'll have 
to press.

HtH,
Teresa

"Everything is interesting if you go into it deeply enough."--Richard P. Feynman

On Feb 21, 2014, at 9:06 AM, Kliphton ---  wrote:

> What is the site where you can set icloud rules?  I go to icloud.com and it 
> brings me to a apple store site.
> Kliphton
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> 
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> I am not having that particular problem. I set up a rule for any messages 
>> addressed to or cc MacVisionaries to go into the Macvisionaries folder. the 
>> from address doesn't show the list address. that's the only thing i can 
>> think of that could be a problem.
>> 
>> htH,
>> teresa
>> 
>> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey Teresa,
>>> 
>>> Thanks, yes I discovered the second done button after sending this message. 
>>> The one thing I am noticing is a lot of messages sent to this list which I 
>>> have go to a folder other than my inbox still seem to end up in my inbox 
>>> which was not the case in gmail using rules there. Is iCloud just not as 
>>> good as gmail is at filtering? Any idea? Thanks
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> During the process of creating a rule, there are two "done" buttons you 
>>>> have to press. I'll describe the process.
>>>> 
>>>> First, create your rule. Fill out all the criteria first. Then go back and 
>>>> VO-left past the criteria form and press "done". Check your rule and 
>>>> VO--shift-end to the done button and press it. Go back into your rules and 
>>>> check to see that they are all saved.
>>>> 
>>>> HtH,
>>>> teresa
>>>> 
>>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's 
>>>> too dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>>>> 
>>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:12 AM, isaac  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> I have never had this problem before.
>>>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Not sure what I am doing wrong as I have now done this twice only to 
>>>>>> have one rule actually save, yet when I am finished it tells me I have 
>>>>>> 12 rules. I click the tab create new rule enter the email sender and the 
>>>>>> folder I want the email to go to then VO left and click done, it saves 
>>>>>> temporarily but then is gone the next day. I know it works as one rule 
>>>>>> has saved but the rest of them won't. Any ideas? Thanks.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- 
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>>>>>> Groups "MacVisionaries" group.
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>>>&g

Re: Help Saving rules on the iCloud Site

[Kliphton -------]

What is the site where you can set icloud rules?  I go to icloud.com and it 
brings me to a apple store site.
Kliphton
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On Feb 20, 2014, at 4:44 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> I am not having that particular problem. I set up a rule for any messages 
> addressed to or cc MacVisionaries to go into the Macvisionaries folder. the 
> from address doesn't show the list address. that's the only thing i can think 
> of that could be a problem.
> 
> htH,
> teresa
> 
> "The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham
> 
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey Teresa,
>> 
>> Thanks, yes I discovered the second done button after sending this message. 
>> The one thing I am noticing is a lot of messages sent to this list which I 
>> have go to a folder other than my inbox still seem to end up in my inbox 
>> which was not the case in gmail using rules there. Is iCloud just not as 
>> good as gmail is at filtering? Any idea? Thanks
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
>> 
>>> During the process of creating a rule, there are two "done" buttons you 
>>> have to press. I'll describe the process.
>>> 
>>> First, create your rule. Fill out all the criteria first. Then go back and 
>>> VO-left past the criteria form and press "done". Check your rule and 
>>> VO--shift-end to the done button and press it. Go back into your rules and 
>>> check to see that they are all saved.
>>> 
>>> HtH,
>>> teresa
>>> 
>>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
>>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>>> 
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:12 AM, isaac  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> I have never had this problem before.
>>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>>> Hey all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> Not sure what I am doing wrong as I have now done this twice only to have 
>>>>> one rule actually save, yet when I am finished it tells me I have 12 
>>>>> rules. I click the tab create new rule enter the email sender and the 
>>>>> folder I want the email to go to then VO left and click done, it saves 
>>>>> temporarily but then is gone the next day. I know it works as one rule 
>>>>> has saved but the rest of them won't. Any ideas? Thanks.
>>>>> 
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Re: Help Saving rules on the iCloud Site

[Teresa Cochran]

I am not having that particular problem. I set up a rule for any messages 
addressed to or cc MacVisionaries to go into the Macvisionaries folder. the 
from address doesn't show the list address. that's the only thing i can think 
of that could be a problem.

htH,
teresa

"The golden age of science fiction is twelve."--Pete graham

On Feb 20, 2014, at 2:19 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Teresa,
> 
> Thanks, yes I discovered the second done button after sending this message. 
> The one thing I am noticing is a lot of messages sent to this list which I 
> have go to a folder other than my inbox still seem to end up in my inbox 
> which was not the case in gmail using rules there. Is iCloud just not as good 
> as gmail is at filtering? Any idea? Thanks
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:
> 
>> During the process of creating a rule, there are two "done" buttons you have 
>> to press. I'll describe the process.
>> 
>> First, create your rule. Fill out all the criteria first. Then go back and 
>> VO-left past the criteria form and press "done". Check your rule and 
>> VO--shift-end to the done button and press it. Go back into your rules and 
>> check to see that they are all saved.
>> 
>> HtH,
>> teresa
>> 
>> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
>> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
>> 
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:12 AM, isaac  wrote:
>> 
>>> I have never had this problem before.
>>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Hey all,
>>>> 
>>>> Not sure what I am doing wrong as I have now done this twice only to have 
>>>> one rule actually save, yet when I am finished it tells me I have 12 
>>>> rules. I click the tab create new rule enter the email sender and the 
>>>> folder I want the email to go to then VO left and click done, it saves 
>>>> temporarily but then is gone the next day. I know it works as one rule has 
>>>> saved but the rest of them won't. Any ideas? Thanks.
>>>> 
>>>> -- 
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>>> 
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Re: Help Saving rules on the iCloud Site

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Teresa,

Thanks, yes I discovered the second done button after sending this message. The 
one thing I am noticing is a lot of messages sent to this list which I have go 
to a folder other than my inbox still seem to end up in my inbox which was not 
the case in gmail using rules there. Is iCloud just not as good as gmail is at 
filtering? Any idea? Thanks
On Feb 20, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Teresa Cochran  wrote:

> During the process of creating a rule, there are two "done" buttons you have 
> to press. I'll describe the process.
> 
> First, create your rule. Fill out all the criteria first. Then go back and 
> VO-left past the criteria form and press "done". Check your rule and 
> VO--shift-end to the done button and press it. Go back into your rules and 
> check to see that they are all saved.
> 
> HtH,
> teresa
> 
> "Outside of a dog, a book is a man's best friend. Inside of a dog, it's too 
> dark to read."--Groucho Marx
> 
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:12 AM, isaac  wrote:
> 
>> I have never had this problem before.
>> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> Not sure what I am doing wrong as I have now done this twice only to have 
>>> one rule actually save, yet when I am finished it tells me I have 12 rules. 
>>> I click the tab create new rule enter the email sender and the folder I 
>>> want the email to go to then VO left and click done, it saves temporarily 
>>> but then is gone the next day. I know it works as one rule has saved but 
>>> the rest of them won't. Any ideas? Thanks.
>>> 
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Re: Help Saving rules on the iCloud Site

[Teresa Cochran]

During the process of creating a rule, there are two "done" buttons you have to 
press. I'll describe the process.

First, create your rule. Fill out all the criteria first. Then go back and 
VO-left past the criteria form and press "done". Check your rule and 
VO--shift-end to the done button and press it. Go back into your rules and 
check to see that they are all saved.

HtH,
teresa

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dark to read."--Groucho Marx

On Feb 20, 2014, at 10:12 AM, isaac  wrote:

> I have never had this problem before.
> On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> Not sure what I am doing wrong as I have now done this twice only to have 
>> one rule actually save, yet when I am finished it tells me I have 12 rules. 
>> I click the tab create new rule enter the email sender and the folder I want 
>> the email to go to then VO left and click done, it saves temporarily but 
>> then is gone the next day. I know it works as one rule has saved but the 
>> rest of them won't. Any ideas? Thanks.
>> 
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Re: Help Saving rules on the iCloud Site

[isaac]

I have never had this problem before.
On Feb 20, 2014, at 12:06 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> Not sure what I am doing wrong as I have now done this twice only to have one 
> rule actually save, yet when I am finished it tells me I have 12 rules. I 
> click the tab create new rule enter the email sender and the folder I want 
> the email to go to then VO left and click done, it saves temporarily but then 
> is gone the next day. I know it works as one rule has saved but the rest of 
> them won't. Any ideas? Thanks.
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Help Saving rules on the iCloud Site

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

Not sure what I am doing wrong as I have now done this twice only to have one 
rule actually save, yet when I am finished it tells me I have 12 rules. I click 
the tab create new rule enter the email sender and the folder I want the email 
to go to then VO left and click done, it saves temporarily but then is gone the 
next day. I know it works as one rule has saved but the rest of them won't. Any 
ideas? Thanks.

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Re: turning off auto correct and setting up message rules

[Andrew Head]

Thanks Jonathon, Your message is very much appreciated. :) 
Hope you have a good day.

On 25 Nov 2013, at 12:25 am, Jonathan C. Cohn  wrote:

> I have not worked with auto-correct much, but I believe there is a checkbox 
> in system preferences under keyboard for turning this off.
> 
> For rules, the rules area of Mail preferences is where you want to be.
> 
> Since I am a couple versions back on OS right now I will not give specific 
> instructions, but to open preferences in any app you can select it from the 
> AppName menu or type command-comma. Once you have the preferences for mail 
> open you need to click on the "Rules" button in the toolbar. Either use item 
> chooser or interact with the toolbar at the top of the screen
> 
> THere will be an "Add rule" button.
> Mail also has a feature called "Smart Mailboxes" which can work similar to 
> rules, but are not  actions that only occur when a new unread e-mail is first 
> included in the system. 
> 
> Also, at one point I was considering purchasing MailActOn which is an 
> extension that has more flexible rules and also allows shortcuts for those 
> rules. I am not sure if they are still in business but if you are a mail 
> power user, you should look for extensions like this. I believe Glen 
> Fleishman has a listing of his essential mail add ons.
> 
> Best wishes,
> 
> Jonathan
> 
> 
> 
> On Nov 21, 2013, at 8:02 PM, Andrew Head wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> can someone please give me step by step instructions on how to create 
>> message rules in apple mail?
>> thanks in advance,
>> Andrew 
>> Sent from my 11 inch macbook air
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Re: turning off auto correct and setting up message rules

[Jonathan C. Cohn]

 I have not worked with auto-correct much, but I believe there is a checkbox in 
system preferences under keyboard for turning this off.

For rules, the rules area of Mail preferences is where you want to be.

Since I am a couple versions back on OS right now I will not give specific 
instructions, but to open preferences in any app you can select it from the 
AppName menu or type command-comma. Once you have the preferences for mail open 
you need to click on the "Rules" button in the toolbar. Either use item chooser 
or interact with the toolbar at the top of the screen

THere will be an "Add rule" button.
Mail also has a feature called "Smart Mailboxes" which can work similar to 
rules, but are not  actions that only occur when a new unread e-mail is first 
included in the system. 

Also, at one point I was considering purchasing MailActOn which is an extension 
that has more flexible rules and also allows shortcuts for those rules. I am 
not sure if they are still in business but if you are a mail power user, you 
should look for extensions like this. I believe Glen Fleishman has a listing of 
his essential mail add ons.

Best wishes,

Jonathan



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> Hi all,
> can someone please give me step by step instructions on how to create message 
> rules in apple mail?
> thanks in advance,
> Andrew 
> Sent from my 11 inch macbook air
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turning off auto correct and setting up message rules

[Andrew Head]

Hi all,
can someone please give me step by step instructions on how to create message 
rules in apple mail?
thanks in advance,
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Mail message rules, dvd audio extracting, and audio editing

[Andrew Head]

Hi all,
1. Can someone please give me detailed step by step instructions on how to set 
up message rules in the mac’s mail program?

2. Is there a Mac version of DVD audio extractor and is it accessible? If not, 
is there a mac app equivalent? 

3. Is there a accessible mac version of Goldwave? or if not, what’s a good 
audio editing program for the mac?

Thanks in advance for any help,
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Re: Anyway to get mail to follow rules in IOS

[Terje Strømberg]

the rotor and tried 
> to find labels and filters and neither comes up when using the web rotor to 
> navigate links. How do you set these up in gmail when gmail still seems to be 
> very inaccessible on the web? Thanks,
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> if your using gmail, and your using IMAP, you need to go to the gmail site 
>> and set up the rules, which they call filters, and folders, which they call 
>> labels on the gmail site.  then, the changes will be reflected across all 
>> your devices.  You set up a rule on the Mac, it only affect messages on your 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I am sure I am not the only one experiencing this. I use a Mac at home 
>>> still running Mt. Lion, yes no reason for me to upgrade with all the gmail 
>>> nightmares I have heard about. Anyway I have rules set up for this list and 
>>> other lists I am on on my desktop and laptop to send all these messages to 
>>> another mailbox and not my inbox. Unfortunately for some reason on my 
>>> iPhone these messages don't obey the rules which when I am not at home has 
>>> become a real pain as they go to my main inbox. Has anyone figured out a 
>>> way to get the list messages to obey the same rules on your iPhone? If 
>>> everything is being synched through iCloud you would think they would 
>>> follow the rules you have set up in mammal. Thanks for any help.
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Re: Anyway to get mail to follow rules in IOS

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ricardo,

Of course I went to gmail in safari and go figure I open the rotor and tried to 
find labels and filters and neither comes up when using the web rotor to 
navigate links. How do you set these up in gmail when gmail still seems to be 
very inaccessible on the web? Thanks,
On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> if your using gmail, and your using IMAP, you need to go to the gmail site 
> and set up the rules, which they call filters, and folders, which they call 
> labels on the gmail site.  then, the changes will be reflected across all 
> your devices.  You set up a rule on the Mac, it only affect messages on your 
> Mac.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I am sure I am not the only one experiencing this. I use a Mac at home still 
>> running Mt. Lion, yes no reason for me to upgrade with all the gmail 
>> nightmares I have heard about. Anyway I have rules set up for this list and 
>> other lists I am on on my desktop and laptop to send all these messages to 
>> another mailbox and not my inbox. Unfortunately for some reason on my iPhone 
>> these messages don't obey the rules which when I am not at home has become a 
>> real pain as they go to my main inbox. Has anyone figured out a way to get 
>> the list messages to obey the same rules on your iPhone? If everything is 
>> being synched through iCloud you would think they would follow the rules you 
>> have set up in mammal. Thanks for any help.
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Re: Anyway to get mail to follow rules in IOS

[Teresa Cochran]

Yes, you’d have to delete the rules on your Mac. Also, when you set the rules 
up, there is a checkbox that says “skip inbox”. Make sure you find that and 
check it, or else you’ll get a copy there.

HtH,
teresa

Slow down; you'll get there faster.

On Oct 31, 2013, at 1:28 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey Ricardo, Thanks so much. I don't use the web mail for gmail as I find it 
> very difficult to navigate. Do I just need to set up the same rule that I 
> already have set in mammal and will the two cooperate or do I need to delete 
> the rules I have set up in mammal? Thanks,
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:
> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> if your using gmail, and your using IMAP, you need to go to the gmail site 
>> and set up the rules, which they call filters, and folders, which they call 
>> labels on the gmail site.  then, the changes will be reflected across all 
>> your devices.  You set up a rule on the Mac, it only affect messages on your 
>> Mac.
>> 
>> hth
>> 
>> Ricardo Walker
>> rica...@appletothecore.info
>> Twitter:@apple2thecore
>> www.appletothecore.info
>> 
>> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hey all,
>>> 
>>> I am sure I am not the only one experiencing this. I use a Mac at home 
>>> still running Mt. Lion, yes no reason for me to upgrade with all the gmail 
>>> nightmares I have heard about. Anyway I have rules set up for this list and 
>>> other lists I am on on my desktop and laptop to send all these messages to 
>>> another mailbox and not my inbox. Unfortunately for some reason on my 
>>> iPhone these messages don't obey the rules which when I am not at home has 
>>> become a real pain as they go to my main inbox. Has anyone figured out a 
>>> way to get the list messages to obey the same rules on your iPhone? If 
>>> everything is being synched through iCloud you would think they would 
>>> follow the rules you have set up in mammal. Thanks for any help.
>>> 
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Re: Anyway to get mail to follow rules in IOS

[Brian Fischler]

Hey Ricardo, Thanks so much. I don't use the web mail for gmail as I find it 
very difficult to navigate. Do I just need to set up the same rule that I 
already have set in mammal and will the two cooperate or do I need to delete 
the rules I have set up in mammal? Thanks,
On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:54 PM, Ricardo Walker  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> if your using gmail, and your using IMAP, you need to go to the gmail site 
> and set up the rules, which they call filters, and folders, which they call 
> labels on the gmail site.  then, the changes will be reflected across all 
> your devices.  You set up a rule on the Mac, it only affect messages on your 
> Mac.
> 
> hth
> 
> Ricardo Walker
> rica...@appletothecore.info
> Twitter:@apple2thecore
> www.appletothecore.info
> 
> On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:
> 
>> Hey all,
>> 
>> I am sure I am not the only one experiencing this. I use a Mac at home still 
>> running Mt. Lion, yes no reason for me to upgrade with all the gmail 
>> nightmares I have heard about. Anyway I have rules set up for this list and 
>> other lists I am on on my desktop and laptop to send all these messages to 
>> another mailbox and not my inbox. Unfortunately for some reason on my iPhone 
>> these messages don't obey the rules which when I am not at home has become a 
>> real pain as they go to my main inbox. Has anyone figured out a way to get 
>> the list messages to obey the same rules on your iPhone? If everything is 
>> being synched through iCloud you would think they would follow the rules you 
>> have set up in mammal. Thanks for any help.
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Re: Anyway to get mail to follow rules in IOS

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

if your using gmail, and your using IMAP, you need to go to the gmail site and 
set up the rules, which they call filters, and folders, which they call labels 
on the gmail site.  then, the changes will be reflected across all your 
devices.  You set up a rule on the Mac, it only affect messages on your Mac.

hth

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On Oct 31, 2013, at 3:38 PM, Brian Fischler  wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> I am sure I am not the only one experiencing this. I use a Mac at home still 
> running Mt. Lion, yes no reason for me to upgrade with all the gmail 
> nightmares I have heard about. Anyway I have rules set up for this list and 
> other lists I am on on my desktop and laptop to send all these messages to 
> another mailbox and not my inbox. Unfortunately for some reason on my iPhone 
> these messages don't obey the rules which when I am not at home has become a 
> real pain as they go to my main inbox. Has anyone figured out a way to get 
> the list messages to obey the same rules on your iPhone? If everything is 
> being synched through iCloud you would think they would follow the rules you 
> have set up in mammal. Thanks for any help.
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Anyway to get mail to follow rules in IOS

[Brian Fischler]

Hey all,

I am sure I am not the only one experiencing this. I use a Mac at home still 
running Mt. Lion, yes no reason for me to upgrade with all the gmail nightmares 
I have heard about. Anyway I have rules set up for this list and other lists I 
am on on my desktop and laptop to send all these messages to another mailbox 
and not my inbox. Unfortunately for some reason on my iPhone these messages 
don't obey the rules which when I am not at home has become a real pain as they 
go to my main inbox. Has anyone figured out a way to get the list messages to 
obey the same rules on your iPhone? If everything is being synched through 
iCloud you would think they would follow the rules you have set up in mammal. 
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Re: connectives in mac mail rules

[Nicholas Parsons]

yes, as far as I am aware you can't have nested conditions. So you can't, for 
instance, set an event to occur if condition one and either condition two or 
condition three are present. This is a shame. You can apparently do this in 
other places such as smart playlists where you apparently option click on the 
add criterion button to nest a criterion.

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Re: connectives in mac mail rules

[Barry Hadder]

Before the criteria, you have a popup with any or all of the following rules 
are met.  Any would be or and all is the same as anding them.
I'm sure you've seen that.  If you are wanting more complex Boolean 
expressions, I don't think it does that.

On Oct 2, 2013, at 11:31 PM, don bishop  wrote:

No, my problem is how to connect the two criteria.  Example:

If condition 1 or condition 2.  How would I select the "or" connector?  I'm 
sure there's gotta be a way.  


On Oct 2, 2013, at 9:23 PM, Agent086b  wrote:

>   Hello,
> if I understand what you want correctly.
> When you are creating or editing a filter as you tab through the fields you 
> will hear add criterion. Click on that and you can add another rule in that 
> field.
> Hope that is what you need.
> Max.
> 
> On 03/10/2013, at 1:43 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm setting up several rules to filter mail.  I'd like to filter mail from 
>> more than one list into a folder.  How do I indicate connectors for multiple 
>> conditions such as and, or etc?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don 
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Re: connectives in mac mail rules

[don bishop]

No, my problem is how to connect the two criterian.  Example:

If condition 1 or condition 2.  How would I select the "or" connector?  I'm 
sure there's gotta be a way.  


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>   Hello,
> if I understand what you want correctly.
> When you are creating or editing a filter as you tab through the fields you 
> will hear add criterion. Click on that and you can add another rule in that 
> field.
> Hope that is what you need.
> Max.
> 
> On 03/10/2013, at 1:43 PM, don bishop  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> I'm setting up several rules to filter mail.  I'd like to filter mail from 
>> more than one list into a folder.  How do I indicate connectors for multiple 
>> conditions such as and, or etc?
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> 
>> Don 
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Re: connectives in mac mail rules

[Agent086b]

Hello,
if I understand what you want correctly.
When you are creating or editing a filter as you tab through the fields you 
will hear add criterion. Click on that and you can add another rule in that 
field.
Hope that is what you need.
Max.

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> Hi all,
> 
> I'm setting up several rules to filter mail.  I'd like to filter mail from 
> more than one list into a folder.  How do I indicate connectors for multiple 
> conditions such as and, or etc?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Don 
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connectives in mac mail rules

[don bishop]

Hi all,

I'm setting up several rules to filter mail.  I'd like to filter mail from more 
than one list into a folder.  How do I indicate connectors for multiple 
conditions such as and, or etc?

Thanks,

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Re: Weird Mail Rules issue

[Ioana Gandrabur]

I used filters on gmail and they wrk just fine.

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On Aug 4, 2012, at 2:00 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:

> Tim,
> 
> Thanks very much.  I will give this a try by first deleting the current 
> mailbox, so that I can relocate it; I'm not sure how to go about just moving 
> it.
> 
> Take care,
> 
> Harry
> 
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 9:37 AM, Tim Kilburn  wrote:
> 
>> Hi Harry,
>> 
>> First, the All Mail thing from GMail is just there, it's something from 
>> Google and, as far as I can tell, you can't do anything about it.  So, I 
>> just ignore its existence.
>> 
>> Now, for your other issue, if the GMail Mailbox/InBox is selected when you 
>> create a new mailbox, the folder will be placed in the top level of that 
>> mailbox unless you tell it otherwise upon creation.  Each mailbox is 
>> attached to each mail account.  That is, your GMail InBox is attached to the 
>> GMail account and any other folders you've created are also attached to that 
>> account.  Mailboxes must be attached to an account, they cannot just sit 
>> there within the Mail app without being referenced as part of a specific 
>> account.  I guess, when you set it up, you could tell the folder to be 
>> located at the top level, the same as your InBoxes.  I've never done that 
>> but I would assume it's possible.  When you create a Mailbox, in the dialog 
>> that appears, there is a pop-up menu that is for the location of the given 
>> mailbox.
>> 
>> With respect to mail not being placed where it's supposed to, that's either 
>> a problem with the initial setup of the rule or sometimes even with the way 
>> senders address there messages.  I've noticed that sometimes people have 
>> specific people in their To field and MacVisionaries in the cc and various 
>> other interesting combinations.  What I did for this is, in my rule, 
>> specified that the "To" c"Contains" "MacVisionaries" and that  the "cc" 
>> "Contains" "MacVisionaries".  So, in this case, you would want to match 
>> "Any" of the rules (as opposed to "All"), and by simply asking if either 
>> "contains" "MacVisionaries", it usually got around any of the differences in 
>> how others addressed their messages.
>> 
>> HTH.
>> 
>> Later...
>> 
>> Tim Kilburn
>> Fort McMurray, AB Canada
>> 
>> On 2012-08-03, at 5:17 PM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi, guys,
>>> 
>>> I have set a rule for the Mac Visionaries group, but it doesn't seem to 
>>> work the greatest.  I set the rule to have messages sent to 
>>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com be moved to the Mac Visionaries folder, and 
>>> it put that folder in my Google mail list for some reason.  The issue is 
>>> that I see some messages in the "Important" mailbox, some in the Mac 
>>> Visionaries group, but not all, I don't think, and then there's the "All 
>>> Mail" mailbox for Google.  Ideally, I would like to have all messages go to 
>>> the Mac Visionaries folder and have that folder just above my Gmail 
>>> account.  I really don't have any use for the "All Mail," "Important," the 
>>> Google sent items folder under Google Mail, etc.  It just seems like a lot 
>>> of duplication.  Any advice about how to get this sorted, including moving 
>>> the mailbox, would be very much appreciated.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Harry
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message rules?

[Maria Chapman]

HI.  
 list.

I tried to create a message rule that would move messages sent only to me in to 
a mail box.  So in other words I wanted all messages sent to xxx...@dodo.com.au 
to be moved in to a folder but only messsages addressed to me, not to groups 
etc. It didn't seem to work.  Here is what i did.

1.  created a mailbox 
2.  went in to preference pains and rules of course.
3.  interacted with the first scroll area left it at any and  contains put in 
the address xx...@dodo.com.au I then interacted with the actions scroll area 
and chose move to folder and sellected the folder.

I then sent a test message to the address above. the message didn't show up.

does anyone have any idea about this?

ps if it makes a difference this is a pop account.

thanks
 God Bless! Maria from australia
 Newbie mac user.
bubbygirl1...@gmail.com
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Weird Mail Rules issue

[Paul Erkens]

> Harry,
> 
> I don't have an answer. Just want to add that I am having the exact same 
> problem. I made a rule for all messages with macvisionaries@googlegroups.com 
> in either their to, cc, bcc or reply to field. Most go into my mac 
> visionaries folder, but not all. I don't know if some are duplicates in other 
> folders, or that they were simply not caught by the rule when they came in. 
> It could be that mail itself, filters its important messages over to the 
> important mailbox, even before it applies our rules. I hope someone will 
> chime in on this if they have a solution.
> 
> Paul.
> On Aug 4, 2012, at 1:17 AM, Harry Hogue  wrote:
> 
>> Hi, guys,
>> 
>> I have set a rule for the Mac Visionaries group, but it doesn't seem to work 
>> the greatest.  I set the rule to have messages sent to 
>> macvisionaries@googlegroups.com be moved to the Mac Visionaries folder, and 
>> it put that folder in my Google mail list for some reason.  The issue is 
>> that I see some messages in the "Important" mailbox, some in the Mac 
>> Visionaries group, but not all, I don't think, and then there's the "All 
>> Mail" mailbox for Google.  Ideally, I would like to have all messages go to 
>> the Mac Visionaries folder and have that folder just above my Gmail account. 
>>  I really don't have any use for the "All Mail," "Important," the Google 
>> sent items folder under Google Mail, etc.  It just seems like a lot of 
>> duplication.  Any advice about how to get this sorted, including moving the 
>> mailbox, would be very much appreciated.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Harry
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