date:20051028

my dipstick only has a low and high mark...i've seen nothing that says add.

On 10/27/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gabriel S. wrote:
> > Marshall,
> > Could you explain how over filling with oil is bad for the enigne (dont
> get
> > me wrong, i believe it, i just don't see how it could be bad)?
>
> There are MANY reasons why overfilling is bad. The MAX mark is just that
> - NOT the optimal level.
>
> 1: When overfilled, additional oil is burned and ejected. This results
> in additional smoke and carbon accumulation in the engine (and oil costs
> increase) and excess oil is flung about. Even at only the MAX mark,
> engine oil consumption at highway speeds on MOST all of the Mercedes
> engines I've ever owned was double or triple what it is when the oil
> level is at the mid point or lower.
>
> 2. Additional oil can enter the combustion chamber unmetered and this
> CAN in extreme cases result in engine runaway and destruction (usually
> the engine must be overfilled by at least several qt for this to happen).
>
> 3. And my favorite argument ;-). Mercedes points out that optimal oil
> level is midway between the ADD and the MAX mark. If we make the
> assumption that oil consumption is linear (not true, but sufficiently
> true for this simplistic example) the sump is filled to the MAX mark and
> spends ~33% of the time there, 33% of the time at the midway point and
> 33% of the time at the ADD mark, the oil level is only at the mid
> (optimal) point 1/3rd of the time. If on the other hand the oil is
> filled to 1/3rd above the mid point and allowed to drop to the ADD mark,
> the oil will be at the optimal level half the time rather than 1/3rd of
> the time. That's certainly a measurable improvement!
>
> Just follow Mercedes recommendations that the oil level must NEVER
> exceed the MAX mark (I fill my cars to half way between ADD and MAX).,
> Never add oil until the oil level reaches the ADD mark.
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Start gear

i swear i counted the gear shifts before and came up third but i will count
again just to make sure.

On 10/27/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gabriel S. wrote:
> > Does the 87 300d start in second gear? I read somewere that 124 (not
> sure if
> > all) start in 2nd gear. If yes, how can i defeat this (besides flooring
> it
> > every time)?
>
> MOST US delivered 124s start in 2nd. MOST 124s are gasoline powered.
> None of the 124 diesels start in second! If yours starts in second, then
> the linkage is probably worn and needs to be adjusted.
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] converting to synthetic oil?

2005-10-28 Thread Gerald R. Flintrop

That's not unusual, but it'll be covered in the good old owner's manual.

Jerry

 

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my dipstick only has a low and high mark...i've seen nothing that says add.

Re: [MBZ] converting to synthetic oil?

2005-10-28 Thread Marshall Booth


Gabriel S. wrote:

my dipstick only has a low and high mark...i've seen nothing that says add.


The bottom mark IS the ADD mark. On older diesel engines there is about 
1 1/2 liters between the marks - starting in the mid '80s most of the 
sticks were revised to 2 liters between the two marks.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb car(s) in TX

2005-10-28 Thread Rick Knoble

Sorry. I didn't do a mapquest. Texas IS huge, isn't it?
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD


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> WAY too far away, down by the mex border.Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

>
> Rick Knoble wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] Kaleb car(s) in TX


why yes, yes it is, quite huge.

Rick Knoble wrote:


Sorry. I didn't do a mapquest. Texas IS huge, isn't it?
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD


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WAY too far away, down by the mex border.Rick Knoble


1985 300 CD



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Re: [MBZ] diesel idling story

Ummm - that's what Google is for --

On 10/27/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> dangit, you're no help to the company I work for..
>

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Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Faerie Tales was Sad Death

She'd have to be over 50 --
How old was Margaret Thatcher when she became Prime Minister?

On 10/27/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Female president=Nukes flying about once a month.
>
>
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Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] Is this bad for your engine?

Amen, oops- Ramen

On 10/27/05, B Dike <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> In addition to being superb daily drivers, MB diesels
> are an excellent car for teens...
>

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Norman, OK
'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

Isn't that called free market capitolism, supply and demand

On 10/27/05, Ron Dwelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Here are a couple more price gouging stories:
>

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'87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
The FSM created the Diesel Benz
http://www.venganza.org/

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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250
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[MBZ] for your boat?


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Okie Benz Auto parts-email for used parts

[MBZ] First gear start

2005-10-28 Thread RELNGSON

<>

Which seems to claim that more 124's were built from '86 to '90 than later 
since first gear start began in 1991 in the 300E. BTW, this is first hand 
knowledge.

Despite having posted this little factoid more times than I can 
count.

RLE/Seattle

[MBZ] test



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Re: [MBZ] test

On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 20:35:01 -0600 Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> 
> 

Success! I wondered why I hadn't been getting messages for the last two
days.


Craig

[MBZ] Taxes too low?

2005-10-28 Thread RELNGSON

<,Bring on the stampede...despite being overpriced and UNDER-taxed, our
B-99 is still 9 cents cheaper than the overpriced and UNDER-taxed dino
diesel.>.

How in hell can you as a Washington resident claim that diesel fuel is 
under-taxed? Perhaps there should be a special Thurston County fuel tax of 
oh-let's-say half a buck per gallon. Exempting bio, of course, right?

RLE/Seattle/paid 2.95.9 for 89 octane yesterday.

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel

2005-10-28 Thread ned kleinhenz

<>
 Dave:
Thanks for the enlightment. Actual industry data is better than handbook
stuff, any day.
 Your information tells me two things - one bad and one good.
 1) If diesel fuel has 30% more energy than gasoline on a volume basis, then
the 20% to 30% better fuel mileage of a diesel is not remarkable at all.
 2) I don't feel quite as bad about paying the current 50% premium for
diesel fuel over gasonline.
 Ned Kleinhenz

Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

2005-10-28 Thread Zeitgeist

I'm not just a Washington resident, I'm also a born and bred
Warshingtonian.  That means I care about this state and its residents,
and understand it's long overdue for massive transportation
infrastructure changes.  And what better way to pay for those needed
changes, than by asking transportation users to pony up and provide
the funds.

Pay now, or pay later, either way we're gonna pay pay pay.  Growth
needs to pay for growth, and this generation needs to prepare for the
next, it's that simple.  Sorry if it's uncomfortable, regressive,
inconvenient and personally a pain, but life sucks sometimes, don't
it?

On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How in hell can you as a Washington resident claim that diesel fuel is
under-taxed? Perhaps there should be a special Thurston County fuel tax of
oh-let's-say half a buck per gallon. Exempting bio, of course, right?

RLE/Seattle/paid 2.95.9 for 89 octane yesterday.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (210k)
'84 300D (205k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

2005-10-28 Thread TimothyPilgrim

Was there really a supply problem? Demand was the same as before no doubt.

What it is is unchecked consumer price gouging. There was no reason to
increase prices as were done if it led to record profits. I say let
the gov't regulate the hell out of them. Not because of high prices
alone (until we see prices equal to Europe we can't complain much),
but because the companies took advantage of a situation (hurricanes)
to jack up prices on a necessity of life (yes it is).

Tim
1983 300TD Moby

On 10/27/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Isn't that called free market capitolism, supply and demand
>
> On 10/27/05, Ron Dwelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > Here are a couple more price gouging stories:
> >
>
> --
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> Norman, OK
> '87 300SDL,  '81 240D,  '78 450SLC
> The FSM created the Diesel Benz
> http://www.venganza.org/
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Re: [MBZ] '87 300 turbodiesel wagon on Craigslist Boston

that is a SWEET ride.  If I had the room I would hop on the plane to 
Boston and drive her straight home on I-90.  Figure with a good 
tailwind, I can get here in five or six days going solo.  Quicker if I 
can find a nut headed my way who would drive in shifts.  Back should be 
large enough to park a blow up mattress and sleeping bag


On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 02:53 PM, TimothyPilgrim wrote:

Looks nice. Check out that diamond-style vacuum job on the carpet. 
Tricky!


Tim
1982 300TD Moby

On 10/27/05, Lee Levitt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:



Found one locally on Craigslist, 175K miles, $8K invested
recently, new trannie, silver/black leather, blah blah.

No affiliation, I know nothing about the car..

http://boston.craigslist.com/car/106954129.html

Shoot, I should scoop this up and sell it on ebay :)

Lee
'93 300 2.5L td
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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Bizarre-ness

Casey, did you already snag that FREE 71 220D down there by you that 
was on Craigslist?  At that price you can afford all the cheap 
biodiesel it needs


On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 03:23 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:


Bring on the stampede...despite being overpriced and UNDER-taxed, our
B-99 is still 9 cents cheaper than the overpriced and UNDER-taxed dino
diesel.

On 10/27/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As for fuel prices, we have horrid prices and I suspect that there
would be a mass exodus to places with cheap fuel, rather than influx of
midwestern folk coming to get our overpriced and over taxed fuel.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (210k)
'84 300D (205k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

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[MBZ] Gump muffler

I think Gump is getting noisy.  May have a hole in the exhaust pipe 
some place to go with a clapped out muffler.  Crawled under and there 
is only the rear muffler, not the front one the parts book shows.  Is 
there a need for a front muffler on a 72 220D?



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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Bizarre-ness


Just in your state.  Bunch of freakin' WHACKOs you have there Casey

On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 05:20 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:


Agreed, but it does fit with my overall philosophy with regards to tax
policy; punish the bads and reward the goods.  Ever the contrarian, I
think the guv should tax the hell outta road fuels, and especially
those that seem to consistently require the outlay of massive taxpayer
funding for global crusades and imperial daydreams.  Needless to say,
folks who think like me don't win too many elections in this country.

On 10/27/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


B99 isn't under-taxed, it's over-subsidized. The 99 cent per gallon
subsidy trumps the 24.4 cent federal tax and state taxes.


Casey


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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] First gear start

2005-10-28 Thread Marshall Booth


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

<>

Which seems to claim that more 124's were built from '86 to '90 than later 
since first gear start began in 1991 in the 300E. BTW, this is first hand 
knowledge.


Despite having posted this little factoid more times than I can 
count.


RLE/Seattle


Not sure what your point is?? Are you asking something or telling us 
something?


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?


Vote yes on 912

then the idiots in the legislature will have to make a real tax 
increase the voters support, instead of that usurping biatch sneaking 
in and springing her no new taxes, I promise if I get elected.  Since 
she was not legitimately elected, I guess she should not be held to 
election promises



On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 07:39 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


<,Bring on the stampede...despite being overpriced and UNDER-taxed, our
B-99 is still 9 cents cheaper than the overpriced and UNDER-taxed dino
diesel.>.

How in hell can you as a Washington resident claim that diesel fuel is
under-taxed? Perhaps there should be a special Thurston County fuel 
tax of

oh-let's-say half a buck per gallon. Exempting bio, of course, right?

RLE/Seattle/paid 2.95.9 for 89 octane yesterday.
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1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

If we citizens of lesser washington refuse to pay for road 
improvements, the kalifonicators will leave or not bother to move here. 
 Less growth to worry about.  Eventually it will reach equilibrium and 
there will be enough road for the cars on it.


On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 08:30 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:


I'm not just a Washington resident, I'm also a born and bred
Warshingtonian.  That means I care about this state and its residents,
and understand it's long overdue for massive transportation
infrastructure changes.  And what better way to pay for those needed
changes, than by asking transportation users to pony up and provide
the funds.

Pay now, or pay later, either way we're gonna pay pay pay.  Growth
needs to pay for growth, and this generation needs to prepare for the
next, it's that simple.  Sorry if it's uncomfortable, regressive,
inconvenient and personally a pain, but life sucks sometimes, don't
it?

On 10/27/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
How in hell can you as a Washington resident claim that diesel fuel is
under-taxed? Perhaps there should be a special Thurston County fuel 
tax of

oh-let's-say half a buck per gallon. Exempting bio, of course, right?

RLE/Seattle/paid 2.95.9 for 89 octane yesterday.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (210k)
'84 300D (205k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

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1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler

2005-10-28 Thread mykd1

Clay, 
 The front muffler isn't totally necessary and there will only be a small 
difference in the noise level
Its usually just a matter of preference and of course a few extra bucks for the 
center muffler if you choose to put a new one on. It will fine without it 
 
69 280 SEL 120,000 Miles
72 350SL   108,000 Miles
2004 VW Passat 4 Motion
1999 Mazda Miata   
 
 
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Sent: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:16:37 -0700
Subject: [MBZ] Gump muffler


I think Gump is getting noisy.  May have a hole in the exhaust pipe 
some place to go with a clapped out muffler.  Crawled under and there 
is only the rear muffler, not the front one the parts book shows.  Is 
there a need for a front muffler on a 72 220D?


--
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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz


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Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

Yes, he was born in France. My friend Jason was born
in Canada of American parents and did not come to the
US till he was 3...he isn't a Canadian.

Diesels parents were both born in Bavaria where the
family had roots for hundreds of years. They moved to
Paris, where Rudolf was born. This does not make him a
Frenchman. They spoke German at home and Rudolf was
constantly reminded bby his father that they were
German. His mother spoke English and every day b4
breakfast they spoke only English...During the
Franco-Prussian war (i.e French-German) war, the
Diesels were expelled from France by the government
becuase they were...GERMANS! THey moved to ENgland and
Rudolf eventually went to Bavaria as a teenager to go
to school. He stayed with his relatives.

There is no doubt that he was a German. I read all
three links and everyone refer to him as a German
inventor.

-Chris

--- "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> He was German? He was born in France though. See
> these articles:
>  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rudolf_Diesel
>  http://rudolf-diesel.biography.ms/
>  http://www.answers.com/topic/rudolf-diesel
>  I also don't like NY city but am quite fond of the
> Midwest.
> 
>  On 10/26/05, Christopher McCann
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > backwards:
> >
> > Diesel (Rudolf, not Rudolph) was German, who grew
> up
> > in Paris, fled with his fam to england during the
> > Franco-Prussian war becuase of anti-German
> hysteria
> > and then moved to Germany and lived there the rest
> of
> > his life when he was not travelling. I do think
> one of
> > his jobs (when he worked with Adolph von Linde,
> the
> > inventor of refrigeration) sent him back to Paris
> for
> > a while (b4 inventing THE engine).
> >
> > Came to the US twice and loved it, particularly
> > Bar-B-Q and buttered corn on the cob. Hated NY
> city,
> > but liked the midwest, particularly St. Louis
> where he
> > hung out with his buddy Adolphus Busch (the beer
> guy).
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --- "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > > I think Rudolph Diesel was actually a french man
> > > living in Germany
> > >
> > > On 10/26/05, Christopher McCann
> > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > They are developping direct injection HCCI
> > > engines, so
> > > > there is another argument for caliing it a
> diesel.
> > > >
> > > > FYI, Diesel's first diesel engine ran
> > > on...GASOLINE(!)
> > > > and it wasn't called a gasoline engine, nor
> was it
> > > > called Diesel, it was called the "Rational
> Heat
> > > > Engine"...other people started calling them
> > > diesels.
> > > > Coal dust came later and did not work for two
> > > reasons:
> > > > 1. Had to keep it perfectly dry and clump-free
> > > (hard
> > > > to do
> > > > 2. Could not devise a way to inject the exact
> > > right
> > > > amount
> > > >
> > > > Chris
> > > >
> > > > P.S. The diesel engine did not run on VO until
> 6
> > > years
> > > > after the first diesel ran and that innovation
> was
> > > by
> > > > a Frenchman. Diesel was thrilled.
> > > >
> > > > --- ned kleinhenz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > IIRC there is more difference between
> between
> > > spark
> > > > > ignition and compression
> > > > > ignition than the fuel and ignition source.
> > > > > The two are idealized with different
> > > thermodynamic
> > > > > cycles.
> > > > > Spark ignitioin (SI) uses the Otto cycle
> which
> > > > > sucks in the fuel/air charge
> > > > > during the intake stroke. After compression,
> > > > > pressure from the chemical
> > > > > reaction almost spikes, then decreases
> during
> > > the
> > > > > power stroke.
> > > > > In the CI, or Diesel cycle, only air is
> sucked
> > > in
> > > > > during the intake stroke.
> > > > > It is compressed to heat the air charge.
> Then
> > > the
> > > > > fuel is injected and
> > > > > reacted durring the power stroke which
> occurs at
> > > > > approximately constant
> > > > > pressure.
> > > > > It depends when the fuel is injected, but
> the
> > > Honda
> > > > > HCCI sound like a
> > > > > diesel to me. After all, the fuel name does
> not
> > > > > identify the thermo cycle. I
> > > > > believe Rudi tried to run his first engine
> on
> > > > > pulverized coal. (too much
> > > > > melted ash to be practical).
> > > > > At the current prices of diesel fuel vs
> > > gasoline, a
> > > > > gasoline fueled diesel
> > > > > sounds pretty good to me.
> > > > > Ned Kleinhenz
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> > > >
> > > > Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City,
> > > Missouri
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> Red
> > > Riding Hood)
> > > > -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
>

Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D For Sale

Yeah, but I just don't want a $200K car...an SLK65 AMG
would be closest...but I think I would rather restore
my SD to showroom quality...then maybe a Grosser from
the 30's...maybe a 300SL (not Gullwing), but red, of
course.

The only new vehicle I would buy would be a Sprinter.

Chris

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> think about it like this: if you were seriously
> rolling in it 200k on a car
> would be a drop in the bucket.
> 
> On 10/26/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > Christopher McCann wrote:
> > >nobody drives a used car by choice.
> > >
> > >If I hit the lotto and won 180 million, I would
> buy
> > >MANY used cars...and prolly not one new one.
> > >
> >
> > Me, too. There are very few new cars on the market
> that I actually find
> > interesting. Besides, just because I became rich
> doesn't mean I'd
> > suddenly want to throw money away.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] Taxes too low?

2005-10-28 Thread Mitch Haley

redghost wrote:
> 
> If we citizens of lesser washington refuse to pay for road
> improvements, the kalifonicators will leave or not bother to move here.
>   Less growth to worry about.  Eventually it will reach equilibrium and
> there will be enough road for the cars on it.

Won't work, the invading species likes traffic jams more than the natives
do. What are the kalifornians going to do to get away from traffic jams, 
move back to Los Angeles?

[MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread Mitch Haley

I hope this isn't going to become common. A mercedesshop member ran out of 
diesel
in St Louis. He called MBZ roadside assistance. The local dealer had contracted
with a local towing company to provide the service, apparently at the driver's
expense. The towing service refused to bring fuel, even after the driver 
demanded
to talk to a manager. They would, however, be willing to tow him to a fuel 
station
for $85. What part of "free" didn't they understand?

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=135491

[MBZ] M1 5-40 Truck/SUV is Back

2005-10-28 Thread Dan Weeks

After not finding any for months, I spotted M1 5-40 Truck/SUV (the 
rebottled Delvac) at my local Wal-Mart last night, in new-style 
bottles, but with silver, instead of yellow caps, for $5.16/qt. I had 
been forced to buy 15/50 "extended life" at $5.65/quart in the 
interim. Glad to be able to go to the lighter weight stuff before 
winter. For all I know, you all know this, or it's been available 
everywhere but here (Des Moines), but it was news to me.



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Re: [MBZ] M1 5-40 Truck/SUV is Back

2005-10-28 Thread Sunil Hari

wally world has had 5w-40 5 quart jugs for $19.16 here for a while.

On 10/28/05, Dan Weeks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> After not finding any for months, I spotted M1 5-40 Truck/SUV (the
> rebottled Delvac) at my local Wal-Mart last night, in new-style
> bottles, but with silver, instead of yellow caps, for $5.16/qt. I had
> been forced to buy 15/50 "extended life" at $5.65/quart in the
> interim. Glad to be able to go to the lighter weight stuff before
> winter. For all I know, you all know this, or it's been available
> everywhere but here (Des Moines), but it was news to me.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Bizarre-ness

2005-10-28 Thread Mike Canfield

A FREE 220D??  Where?  REALLY???  Anywhere near the NE?  Mike
- Original Message - 
From: "redghost" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2005 11:59 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bizarre-ness

Casey, did you already snag that FREE 71 220D down there by you that 
was on Craigslist?  At that price you can afford all the cheap 
biodiesel it needs

On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 03:23 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:

Bring on the stampede...despite being overpriced and UNDER-taxed, our
B-99 is still 9 cents cheaper than the overpriced and UNDER-taxed dino
diesel.

On 10/27/05, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
As for fuel prices, we have horrid prices and I suspect that there
would be a mass exodus to places with cheap fuel, rather than influx of
midwestern folk coming to get our overpriced and over taxed fuel.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (210k)
'84 300D (205k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

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Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

They have the supply, we have the demand. They can charge as much as
we're willing to pay. It's the American way! Market forces are
supposed to keep the prices in control. Doesn't seem to be happening
now though. Either there really is a lowered supply of Diesel, or the
fuel oil demand has really increased, or there's a bit of price fixing
going on. Gasoline? I can't see how demand has changed, I don't konw
how much the hurricanes lowered the supply, but those prices are
falling a bit now. I fail to see 50% worth of demand increase for
Diesel, so I can only assume that they're charging what the market
will bear.

You (generic, not Tim) can't demand free enterprise and no government
regulation and gripe about high profits. Can't have it both ways,
unless there is criminal price fixing.

On 10/27/05, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Was there really a supply problem? Demand was the same as before no doubt.
>
> What it is is unchecked consumer price gouging. There was no reason to
> increase prices as were done if it led to record profits. I say let
> the gov't regulate the hell out of them. Not because of high prices
> alone (until we see prices equal to Europe we can't complain much),
> but because the companies took advantage of a situation (hurricanes)
> to jack up prices on a necessity of life (yes it is).
>
> Tim
> 1983 300TD Moby
>

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Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories


gas here is down to 2.09, the lowest diesel I was was 2.99

OK Don wrote:


They have the supply, we have the demand. They can charge as much as
we're willing to pay. It's the American way! Market forces are
supposed to keep the prices in control. Doesn't seem to be happening
now though. Either there really is a lowered supply of Diesel, or the
fuel oil demand has really increased, or there's a bit of price fixing
going on. Gasoline? I can't see how demand has changed, I don't konw
how much the hurricanes lowered the supply, but those prices are
falling a bit now. I fail to see 50% worth of demand increase for
Diesel, so I can only assume that they're charging what the market
will bear.

You (generic, not Tim) can't demand free enterprise and no government
regulation and gripe about high profits. Can't have it both ways,
unless there is criminal price fixing.

On 10/27/05, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


Was there really a supply problem? Demand was the same as before no doubt.

What it is is unchecked consumer price gouging. There was no reason to
increase prices as were done if it led to record profits. I say let
the gov't regulate the hell out of them. Not because of high prices
alone (until we see prices equal to Europe we can't complain much),
but because the companies took advantage of a situation (hurricanes)
to jack up prices on a necessity of life (yes it is).

Tim
1983 300TD Moby





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Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

I saw $2.06 for gas and $2.96 for Diesel last night on the way home,
I'll fill up tonight - wonder what the price will be?

On 10/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> gas here is down to 2.09, the lowest diesel I was was 2.99
>

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Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

2005-10-28 Thread Don & Teresa Merriman

Way down here in Mexico it is still $2.27 US$ gallon, has been for months.
Don

On 10/28/05, Kaleb C. Striplin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> gas here is down to 2.09, the lowest diesel I was was 2.99
>
> OK Don wrote:
>
> > They have the supply, we have the demand. They can charge as much as
> > we're willing to pay. It's the American way! Market forces are
> > supposed to keep the prices in control. Doesn't seem to be happening
> > now though. Either there really is a lowered supply of Diesel, or the
> > fuel oil demand has really increased, or there's a bit of price fixing
> > going on. Gasoline? I can't see how demand has changed, I don't konw
> > how much the hurricanes lowered the supply, but those prices are
> > falling a bit now. I fail to see 50% worth of demand increase for
> > Diesel, so I can only assume that they're charging what the market
> > will bear.
> >
> > You (generic, not Tim) can't demand free enterprise and no government
> > regulation and gripe about high profits. Can't have it both ways,
> > unless there is criminal price fixing.
> >
> > On 10/27/05, TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >>Was there really a supply problem? Demand was the same as before no
> doubt.
> >>
> >>What it is is unchecked consumer price gouging. There was no reason to
> >>increase prices as were done if it led to record profits. I say let
> >>the gov't regulate the hell out of them. Not because of high prices
> >>alone (until we see prices equal to Europe we can't complain much),
> >>but because the companies took advantage of a situation (hurricanes)
> >>to jack up prices on a necessity of life (yes it is).
> >>
> >>Tim
> >>1983 300TD Moby
> >>
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > OK Don, KD5NRO
> > Norman, OK
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Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

2005-10-28 Thread Mitch Haley

OK Don wrote:
>  I fail to see 50% worth of demand increase for
> Diesel, so I can only assume that they're charging what the market
> will bear.

Demand for energy is inelactic, particularly in the short term.
Supply is extremely inelastic, the spigots are already full open. 
If demand exceeds supply at the current price by 5%, the only way
to get balance is to increase price until demand drops 5%, and
a 5% price increase won't do it, but a 40-50% increase in price
might do it. If price is held below the new equilibrium point, 
there will be some sort of rationing, either by government decree
or by "last buyer in line doesn't get any". By allowing price to
increase until we only want to consume what's available, everybody
gets to buy all they want, we just want a little less if we have
to pay $3 for it.

Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

2005-10-28 Thread Rich Thomas

The oil companies do not set the prices.  Prices are set by commodity 
traders in New York City, London, Hong Kong, etc. based on factors that 
are generally identified as fear and greed (if any of us knew them 
specifically we would not be complaining as we would be amazingly 
wealthy) but discernable to a few of these guys, who are quite wealthy.  
The oil companies sell product for that price, whatever it is.  Various 
others in the supply chain add their bit to the crude price, but 
wholesale gasoline/diesel, etc. prices are set by traders as well.  The 
oil companies "did not take advantage of a situation" as they are not 
really in a position to actively "take advantage" though profit-wise 
they clearly benefitted.  Many of them suffered significant losses of 
rigs and other infrastructure, which is not cheap to fix or replace.


The profits of the oil companies as a percentage of revenues are not 
wildly out of whack with the profit margins of other industries or 
businesses.


No one likes high fuel prices, but the oil companies are not the driver 
for them.  Blame the traders as gougers and buy oil company stocks (some 
of which actually dropped in price I think I heard?).  Govt regulation 
of prices and industries, etc. is mostly unworkable, hell the govt can't 
even satisfactorily fix potholes on my street so I wouild not hold out 
high expectations for controlling the global petro industry.  Whatever 
monkeying about with it that has gone on for ages still has these 
consequences so I am not sure that more of whatever it is will have any 
better result.  What will work is market responses (/i.e./, /your 
/behavior and that of everyone else) to higher prices, either in more 
fuel-efficient vehicles, alternative fuels, changed behavior, etc., some 
of which "the government" (which after all is you and me and everyone 
else in our local parts of the planet) can influence to some extent, but 
cannot "fix" whatever "fix" means.


What do /you /think would be a "good" price for fuel?  Does everyone 
else agree with that price?  Work back from that and figure out what is 
needed to work it, then report back to us.


--R

TimothyPilgrim wrote:


Was there really a supply problem? Demand was the same as before no doubt.

What it is is unchecked consumer price gouging. There was no reason to
increase prices as were done if it led to record profits. I say let
the gov't regulate the hell out of them. Not because of high prices
alone (until we see prices equal to Europe we can't complain much),
but because the companies took advantage of a situation (hurricanes)
to jack up prices on a necessity of life (yes it is).

Tim
1983 300TD Moby

On 10/27/05, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 


Isn't that called free market capitolism, supply and demand

On 10/27/05, Ron Dwelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
   


Here are a couple more price gouging stories:

 


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[MBZ] center vents - no heat

2005-10-28 Thread dieselbenz24

Wondering why no heat comes out of my 2 center heater ports ?
Any insight would be appreciated.
 
Dan
82 300D-T 87kmi

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Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories


I've been thinking alot about this lately. I most of the profit has to do with 
the soaring price of crude and the attendant rising price of finished products.
So lets say you're Exxon-Mobil. You've gone into Saudi Arabia (for instance) 
and somehow against all odds delt with the royals and gotten permission to pump 
oil. You've paid hefty bribes, then bribed local workers to not have all your 
workers killed. You've shipped the stuff, etc...

It costs you x/barrel to do all that. The market has decided (note Exxon-Mobil 
didn't decide, futures trader decided) that this year the crude oil which 
you've gotten is now worth roughly double what it was 2 years ago. What are you 
going to do say "No no boys, take this money back, its too much?"

 

The refiners meanwhile are busy converting crude into fuels you and I can use, 
that costs x/gallon/fraction. The cost of raw materials to the refiners (the 
crude oil) has risen dramatically, so the price of the end product has 
obviously risen as well. Profit is usually figured on a percentage basis, so 
say you make 20% on your finished product if the price of the finished product 
rises the amount you make rises too.


Remember crude oil has something like doubled in 2 years, the price of the 
finished product has NOT or at least it isn't right now with gas at $2.50, you 
poor buggers paying $3 for diesel can say it is...

The reason diesel is so expensive is because MOST people drive gas cars. So 
when the price of gas rises they scream, so refiners make more gas at the 
expense of making proportionally less diesel. With less supply diesel prices 
have to be higher...

 

Now a smart company right now would take those record profits and do 2 or 3 
things;

1. Pay down debt  - I don't know how much debt oil companies carry but with 
that kind of profit it'd be stupid to have any debt.

2. Buy back stock - Which increases stock price and makes for happy investors 
which is sadly the point of most companies these days.

3. Reinvest in the company. - Find more oil fields, make your refineries more 
efficient, figure a way to make biodiesel work for big oil. Okay that last one 
is a pipe dream but I'd be very surprised if big oil hasn't got anybody working 
on some bio options...

 

Investments today in times of record high profit should result in lower prices 
tomorrow.

 

Exxon-Mobil is doing 2 and 3 (that I know of, might be #1 too). Unfortunately 
this is the real world so theres a 4th thing which which they'll surely be 
doing.

 

4. Pay executives obscenely large amounts of money for doing nothing special.

 

-Curt

 

Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 23:53:52 -0400
From: TimothyPilgrim <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories
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Was there really a supply problem? Demand was the same as before no 
doubt.

What it is is unchecked consumer price gouging. There was no reason to
increase prices as were done if it led to record profits. I say let
the gov't regulate the hell out of them. Not because of high prices
alone (until we see prices equal to Europe we can't complain much),
but because the companies took advantage of a situation (hurricanes)
to jack up prices on a necessity of life (yes it is).

Tim
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Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler

I think its fairly safe to say you only need one muffler. The rear muffler on 
my '81 300TD fell off. I wired the pipe up and we drove it with just the 
resonator for 4-5 months until I got rid of it. The car was not noticably 
noisier. The only downside was that with the sunroof open you'd smell diesel 
exhaust.

-Curt

Date: Thu, 27 Oct 2005 21:16:37 -0700
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I think Gump is getting noisy.  May have a hole in the exhaust pipe 
some place to go with a clapped out muffler.  Crawled under and there 
is only the rear muffler, not the front one the parts book shows.  Is 
there a need for a front muffler on a 72 220D?

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Seattle Bioburner

1972 220D - Gump
1995 E300D - Cleo
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The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz

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What is the point of them if they're designed not to be used? Or perhaps th=
e
question is what are the parameters for them to be activated?

Levi

On 10/28/05, J.B. Hebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Functioning as designed. Heat will rarely, if ever, come out of the
> center vents.
>
> J.B.
>
>

Re: [MBZ] center vents - no heat

2005-10-28 Thread J.B. Hebert

The center vents are for A/C and non-heated fresh air venting.  Not 
100% sure why the system was designed this way, but MB stuck with it 
at least through the 124 chassis cars.

J.B.

At 10:19 AM 10/28/2005, you wrote:

What is the point of them if they're designed not to be used? Or perhaps the
question is what are the parameters for them to be activated?

Levi

On 10/28/05, J.B. Hebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Functioning as designed. Heat will rarely, if ever, come out of the
> center vents.
>
> J.B.
>
>
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[MBZ] Horrible Profit Story

2005-10-28 Thread Rich Thomas

 More gouging going on in other industries, >30% profits, time for govt 
controls on personal computer market (computers have become an economic 
necessity).


--R

http://www.nytimes.com/2005/10/28/technology/28soft.html?pagewanted=print
October 28, 2005


 Microsoft Says Profit Rose 24%

By JOHN MARKOFF 



SAN FRANCISCO, Oct. 27 - Microsoft 
 
rode a wave of global strength in the personal computer market to report 
growth in profit and sales in the first quarter of its 2006 fiscal year, 
slightly exceeding analysts' expectations.


Microsoft, the world's largest software publisher, said Thursday that 
quarterly revenue was $9.74 billion, 6 percent higher than $9.19 billion 
in the quarter last year. Earnings rose 24 percent, to $3.14 billion, or 
29 cents a share, from $2.53 billion, or 23 cents a share, a year earlier.

Re: [MBZ] center vents - no heat

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:23:50 -0400 "J.B. Hebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> The center vents are for A/C and non-heated fresh air venting.  Not 
> 100% sure why the system was designed this way, but MB stuck with it 
> at least through the 124 chassis cars.

And I think that system is great, particularly with a manual system like
my '72 220D/8 had. When your feet are cold, you usually have a jacket on.
Put the warm air out the foot vents and then regulate the temperature with
the flow of cold air out the center vents. Good engineering ...

Craig

Re: [MBZ] center vents - no heat

2005-10-28 Thread Levi Smith

On my 83' 300D, I've heard so many stories about the climate control not
working that I have a hard time telling whether mine is working or not.
This center vent thing kind of answers a potential question, though I'm not
sure I ever got much out of them in the summer either...
It *generally* seems to heat and cool automatically. Though periodically if
I leave it on, when I start the car it decides to just turn the fan on full
blast with a cold engine when it's supposed to be warming.
Also on a couple occasions during the summer it was cooling nicely. Then at
some point decided that since it was 90 degrees out and I asked for 72, that
I must want maximum heat.
But not paying attention to those oddities, The controls themselves and what
the manual says seems odd. The defrost button is only ever max fan with max
heat? I can only imagine that the theory is that the only time you need that
is when you're really cold and frosted badly?
and I *thought* the way I understood it looking at the buttons that all the
buttons would blow most air to lower vents, but the one next to the defrost
button would blow top and bottom. On my car, that one is the ONLY one that
I've noticed air blowing at my legs. The others with arrows pointing down
only blow out the upper vents. And as mentioned with the center vents, it
generally all comes out of the defroster vents and/or side vents.

The other thing I'm thinking of is that it seems like once it gets to about
the right temp it starts blowing *slightly cool* air in the winter or
*slightly warm* air in the summer. Not terribly badly, but enough where I
frequently notice it and it seems like it should just shut itself off if
it's going to be just gently blowing the wrong temperature air at me...

I guess I was just curious if anyone has enough understanding of the system
so that they could give me some insight as to whether this is either:
-How they are supposed to function
-How they normally function
-Messed up
Or
-Some other combination of things.

Thanks!
Levi (:

On 10/28/05, J.B. Hebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The center vents are for A/C and non-heated fresh air venting. Not
> 100% sure why the system was designed this way, but MB stuck with it
> at least through the 124 chassis cars.
>
> J.B.
>
>

Re: [MBZ] center vents - no heat

2005-10-28 Thread Levi Smith

OK, that actually makes sense. Though generally I'm just looking for "less
heat" out of the upper center vents as opposed to "cold air" when I have the
heater on...

Levi

On 10/28/05, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 10:23:50 -0400 "J.B. Hebert" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
>
> > The center vents are for A/C and non-heated fresh air venting. Not
> > 100% sure why the system was designed this way, but MB stuck with it
> > at least through the 124 chassis cars.
>
> And I think that system is great, particularly with a manual system like
> my '72 220D/8 had. When your feet are cold, you usually have a jacket on.
> Put the warm air out the foot vents and then regulate the temperature with
> the flow of cold air out the center vents. Good engineering ...
>
>
> Craig
>
>

Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 5, Issue 155 - no heat from middle vents

2005-10-28 Thread BillR

 Wondering why no heat comes out of my 2 center heater ports ?
Any insight would be appreciated.
 
Dan
82 300D-T 87kmi
_
As mine is still in the shop [for now my only Mercedes 'fix' is this list]
and I don't have my owners manual here I will have to go on memory, but I
think the two inside ports are for outside air only on mine.  I'm sure one
of the others will have a fuller answer.
BillR
Jacksonville  FL
1981 300SD  'EM'  265K / 200K engine [? - never got the reqeusted
information from PGA]
2001 I30 'Hers' 71K

Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

2005-10-28 Thread Rick Knoble


> Investments today in times of record high profit should result in lower
prices tomorrow.

BZZZT, wrong. Investments today secure the certainty of record high profits
in the future.

> Exxon-Mobil is doing 2 and 3 (that I know of, might be #1 too).
Unfortunately this is the real world so theres a 4th thing which which
they'll surely be doing.
> 4. Pay executives obscenely large amounts of money for doing nothing
special.

Top level executives generally get obscene bonuses when the workers get
screwed.
Check United, Delta American, ect. The automakers in the US are losing money
again. Look for lower management and hourly workers to get shafted soon,
while top execs get mult-millions in bonuses for doing such a good job
cutting costs.
My 2¢
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] center vents - no heat

2005-10-28 Thread J.B. Hebert

My guess would be one or more of the following for your car:

1) Broken solder joints in your climate control computer 
(intermittent functionality)
2) Deteriorated/missing hose that connects the cabin air temp sensor 
to the air box (delayed temperature regulation)

3) Leaking vacuum pods and/or lines (improper air direction)
4) Faulty monovalve (max heat, or no heat, depending)

It took me a while to sort out the issues on my '82 300CD climate 
control.  I ended up fixing and/or replacing all of the above at one 
time or another.

Good luck.

J.B.

At 11:01 AM 10/28/2005, you wrote:

On my 83' 300D, I've heard so many stories about the climate control not
working that I have a hard time telling whether mine is working or not.
This center vent thing kind of answers a potential question, though I'm not
sure I ever got much out of them in the summer either...
It *generally* seems to heat and cool automatically. Though periodically if
I leave it on, when I start the car it decides to just turn the fan on full
blast with a cold engine when it's supposed to be warming.
Also on a couple occasions during the summer it was cooling nicely. Then at
some point decided that since it was 90 degrees out and I asked for 72, that
I must want maximum heat.
But not paying attention to those oddities, The controls themselves and what
the manual says seems odd. The defrost button is only ever max fan with max
heat? I can only imagine that the theory is that the only time you need that
is when you're really cold and frosted badly?
and I *thought* the way I understood it looking at the buttons that all the
buttons would blow most air to lower vents, but the one next to the defrost
button would blow top and bottom. On my car, that one is the ONLY one that
I've noticed air blowing at my legs. The others with arrows pointing down
only blow out the upper vents. And as mentioned with the center vents, it
generally all comes out of the defroster vents and/or side vents.

The other thing I'm thinking of is that it seems like once it gets to about
the right temp it starts blowing *slightly cool* air in the winter or
*slightly warm* air in the summer. Not terribly badly, but enough where I
frequently notice it and it seems like it should just shut itself off if
it's going to be just gently blowing the wrong temperature air at me...

I guess I was just curious if anyone has enough understanding of the system
so that they could give me some insight as to whether this is either:
-How they are supposed to function
-How they normally function
-Messed up
Or
-Some other combination of things.

Thanks!
Levi (:

On 10/28/05, J.B. Hebert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The center vents are for A/C and non-heated fresh air venting. Not
> 100% sure why the system was designed this way, but MB stuck with it
> at least through the 124 chassis cars.
>
> J.B.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

>
> there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not all
> of which were my fault

 If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is completely
your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of the
road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating
*UNNECESSARY
LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason for
running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers side.
*NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things
"...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top of that he expects
Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs to
wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out, than
fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no free
rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to make
money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around here if
you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you pay
and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes to
McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is on
welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do acknowledge
that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to bail
me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for free.

 On 10/28/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I hope this isn't going to become common. A mercedesshop member ran out of
> diesel
> in St Louis. He called MBZ roadside assistance. The local dealer had
> contracted
> with a local towing company to provide the service, apparently at the
> driver's
> expense. The towing service refused to bring fuel, even after the driver
> demanded
> to talk to a manager. They would, however, be willing to tow him to a fuel
> station
> for $85. What part of "free" didn't they understand?
>
> http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=135491
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Re: [MBZ] First gear start

I've counted the gears before and there seems to be one missing...I'll count
again just to make sure.

On 10/27/05, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > < > None of the 124 diesels start in second! If yours starts in second, then
> > the linkage is probably worn and needs to be adjusted.>>
> >
> > Which seems to claim that more 124's were built from '86 to '90 than
> later
> > since first gear start began in 1991 in the 300E. BTW, this is first
> hand
> > knowledge.
> >
> > Despite having posted this little factoid more times than I can
> > count.
> >
> > RLE/Seattle
>
> Not sure what your point is?? Are you asking something or telling us
> something?
>
> Marshall
> --
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> Ass't Prof. (ret.)
> Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine
> Department of Pharmacology 1300 BST
> Pittsburgh PA 15261 USA
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[MBZ] Ebay w126 rodbender needs engine

2005-10-28 Thread Rick Knoble

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/350SDL-For-parts-or-re-engine_W0QQitemZ4585819189QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

No affiliation, ect.
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD

Re: [MBZ] HCCI and 'what is a diesel"

not my car...pedal to the metal.

On 10/26/05, David Brodbeck <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> dave walton wrote:
> >Regardless of how the fuel is ignited, diesel contains roughly 30%
> >more BTU's than gasoline. Any moderately efficient engine will give
> >more MPG's on diesel. I doubt that a compression ignition engine run
> >on gasoline will be 30% more efficient than current technology using a
> >spark plug.
>
> I'm not so sure. The reduction in pumping losses due to eliminating the
> throttle plate would help a lot, especially at partial-throttle
> operation, which is where car engines spend most of their time.
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1984 300D For Sale

 Like I said, here it is once again: Of course there are exceptions, there
are exceptions to everything, but that is generally the rule. All those
women are definately on that list...and the list goes on! Check out this
link my friend:

http://www.forbes.com/lists/2005/07/28/lists-powerfulwomen-media-05powom_cz_sh_0728media.html
 go down to the "Check out the most powerful women in media. "


 On 10/26/05, Ron Dwelle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Michigan's governor isn't particularly ugly. In fact...
>
> On Oct 26, 2005, at 9:23 PM, Mitch Haley wrote:
>
> "Gabriel S." wrote:
> >
> > An opinion of mine: Successfull women who support themself are
> > ususally the
> > ugly ones. The reason is because they have to, no man will support
> > them.
>
> Are Barbara Boxer, Diane Fineswine, senator Clinton, and Janet Reno on
> that
> list?
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[MBZ] 1987 300TDT (W124) Climate Control Problems

2005-10-28 Thread skgee

The climate control system in my 1987 300TDT seems to be operating improperly 
since I cannot get heated air out of the footwell flaps.

When the system goes into heat mode (temp dial between 22 and 18, EC button 
pressed, fan on auto, outside air at 55 degrees F)), the air seems to only come 
out of the defrost vents and the lateral vents on the ends of the dash. The 
climate control (ACC) seems to switch between full heat out the defroster and 
lateral vents and cool air from the center and lateral vents to try and keep 
the interior temp at the right temp. The ACC doesn't seem want to use a medium 
fan setting with only warm air for some reason.

Placing the temperature dial at max with the solid down arrow and outline up 
arrow button pressed (with or without EC marking), and the fan button at auto 
seems to make no difference, the air still comes out of the defrost and lateral 
vents.

Additional info:

The fan operates properly at min, max, and auto when pressing each of the 
buttons.

Occasionally when I turn the climate control on, I can hear a faint clicking 
sound from behind the glove box area and nothing happens initially until after 
5 or 10 seconds. There are also occasions when I press the off button, and the 
climate control system runs for about 15 seconds, and then it shuts off.

The only time I am able to get air out of the footwell vents is when I press 
the button with the solid up and down arrows.

I have tested all of the vacuum pods and they all hold 15 in Hg of vaccum 
except the center vent pod. I have also swapped the hoses for center vent pod 
and the air diverter flap pod to get air around the bad center vent pod 
temporarily.

The air sample fan is working properly since it seems to hold a small 1 cm 
square of paper at it's intake point on the dome light.

I have the MBZ Climate Control Service Manual, and I have run the functional 
tests and based on the results the manual says to run the electrical component 
test which seems to require a special test instrument/breakout box that cost 
400 dollars plus.

Does anyone have any ideas on what component might be bad? At this point it 
looks like it might be the control unit, but I need to run more tests. Any 
thoughts and ideas are welcome.

Thanks in advance.

-Steve

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread George Gregory

On 10/28/05 3:36 AM, "Mitch Haley" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I hope this isn't going to become common. A mercedesshop member ran out of
> diesel
> in St Louis. He called MBZ roadside assistance. The local dealer had
> contracted
> with a local towing company to provide the service, apparently at the driver's
> expense. The towing service refused to bring fuel, even after the driver
> demanded
> to talk to a manager. They would, however, be willing to tow him to a fuel
> station
> for $85. What part of "free" didn't they understand?
> 
> http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=135491

They should have called Little Tommy

_
GG

Re: [MBZ] 1987 300TDT (W124) Climate Control Problems

Mine does this too, you have to buy the whole climate control unit.

On 10/28/05, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> The climate control system in my 1987 300TDT seems to be operating
> improperly since I cannot get heated air out of the footwell flaps.
>
> When the system goes into heat mode (temp dial between 22 and 18, EC
> button pressed, fan on auto, outside air at 55 degrees F)), the air seems to
> only come out of the defrost vents and the lateral vents on the ends of the
> dash. The climate control (ACC) seems to switch between full heat out the
> defroster and lateral vents and cool air from the center and lateral vents
> to try and keep the interior temp at the right temp. The ACC doesn't seem
> want to use a medium fan setting with only warm air for some reason.
>
> Placing the temperature dial at max with the solid down arrow and outline
> up arrow button pressed (with or without EC marking), and the fan button at
> auto seems to make no difference, the air still comes out of the defrost and
> lateral vents.
>
> Additional info:
>
> The fan operates properly at min, max, and auto when pressing each of the
> buttons.
>
> Occasionally when I turn the climate control on, I can hear a faint
> clicking sound from behind the glove box area and nothing happens initially
> until after 5 or 10 seconds. There are also occasions when I press the off
> button, and the climate control system runs for about 15 seconds, and then
> it shuts off.
>
> The only time I am able to get air out of the footwell vents is when I
> press the button with the solid up and down arrows.
>
> I have tested all of the vacuum pods and they all hold 15 in Hg of vaccum
> except the center vent pod. I have also swapped the hoses for center vent
> pod and the air diverter flap pod to get air around the bad center vent pod
> temporarily.
>
> The air sample fan is working properly since it seems to hold a small 1 cm
> square of paper at it's intake point on the dome light.
>
> I have the MBZ Climate Control Service Manual, and I have run the
> functional tests and based on the results the manual says to run the
> electrical component test which seems to require a special test
> instrument/breakout box that cost 400 dollars plus.
>
> Does anyone have any ideas on what component might be bad? At this point
> it looks like it might be the control unit, but I need to run more tests.
> Any thoughts and ideas are welcome.
>
> Thanks in advance.
>
> -Steve
>
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Re: [MBZ] center vents - no heat

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 11:05:56 -0400 Levi Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

> On 10/28/05, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > And I think that system is great, particularly with a manual system
> > like my '72 220D/8 had. When your feet are cold, you usually have a
> > jacket on. Put the warm air out the foot vents and then regulate the
> > temperature with the flow of cold air out the center vents. Good
> > engineering ...
>
> OK, that actually makes sense. Though generally I'm just looking for
> "less heat" out of the upper center vents as opposed to "cold air" when
> I have the heater on...

Note the qualifier: a manual system. Your car may not have a manual
system.


Craig

[MBZ] Everyone should write a happy birthday note

2005-10-28 Thread George Gregory


To Miss B today at bkahn1028_at_aol_dot_com

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread Luther Gulseth

YOU IDIOT!  This is not about free service for driver error!  This is about 
Mercedes corporate guaranteeing several free items.  5 gallons of fuel, a free 
jump start, free roadside battery replacement (you pay for the battery).  This 
is purely as a "thank you" for being a loyal MBZ owner.  You totally missed the 
whole point of his post  Think on that for a while.

-Original Message-
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 28, 2005 11:16 AM
To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

>
> there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not all
> of which were my fault

 If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is completely
your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of the
road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating
*UNNECESSARY
LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason for
running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers side.
*NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things
"...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top of that he expects
Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs to
wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out, than
fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no free
rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to make
money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around here if
you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you pay
and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes to
McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is on
welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do acknowledge
that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to bail
me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for free.

Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

Wow, i don't remember ever personally offending you.

On 10/28/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> YOU IDIOT! This is not about free service for driver error! This is about
> Mercedes corporate guaranteeing several free items. 5 gallons of fuel, a
> free jump start, free roadside battery replacement (you pay for the
> battery). This is purely as a "thank you" for being a loyal MBZ owner. You
> totally missed the whole point of his post Think on that for a while.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Oct 28, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
>
> >
> > there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not all
> > of which were my fault
>
> If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is
> completely
> your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of
> the
> road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating
> *UNNECESSARY
> LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason for
> running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers
> side.
> *NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things
> "...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top of that he expects
> Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs to
> wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out,
> than
> fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no free
> rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to make
> money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around here
> if
> you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you
> pay
> and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes to
> McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is on
> welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do
> acknowledge
> that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to
> bail
> me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for free.
>
>
>
>
> Luther KB5QHU
> Alma, Ark
> '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
> '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
>
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1987 300D 230K=-

Re: [MBZ] Everyone should write a happy birthday note

I wrote one...whoever that is.

On 10/28/05, George Gregory <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> To Miss B today at bkahn1028_at_aol_dot_com
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] 1987 300TDT (W124) Climate Control Problems

2005-10-28 Thread Zeitgeist

Mine also exhibited this errant behavior, so my "solution" was to tie
system vacuum semi-permanently to the footwell vacuum pod.  Works ok,
until you need full defrost.  I need to do some serious diagnostics
this Fall/Winter, cuz I'm beyond tired of having a defective ACC.

Did I mention that I hate the ACC?

On 10/28/05, Gabriel S. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Mine does this too, you have to buy the whole climate control unit.

Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel:
'87 300TD intercooler (210k)
'84 300D (205k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (186K)

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread R A Bennell

Don't most of you think this thread is getting out of hand? There are more
polite ways of telling people that they are being unreasonable.

My basic feeling is that I bought a 30 year old used car privately and I
have yet to set foot in the door at the local MB dealership. I don't plan to
call them and ask for anything free if I have trouble with my car on the
road. I do need to go over to the dealer and see what they can do about
providing another key as I only have the one.

Randy

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread Levi Smith

Hmm, I was thinking of calling the nearest dealership which is about 90
miles away and ask if they'll come give me a jump on my 83' 300D with
expanding foam sticking out of the fender where the tire ripped it open. (:

Levi

On 10/28/05, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Don't most of you think this thread is getting out of hand? There are more
> polite ways of telling people that they are being unreasonable.
>
> My basic feeling is that I bought a 30 year old used car privately and I
> have yet to set foot in the door at the local MB dealership. I don't plan
> to
> call them and ask for anything free if I have trouble with my car on the
> road. I do need to go over to the dealer and see what they can do about
> providing another key as I only have the one.
>
> Randy
>
>

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

thought it was 2 gallons of fuel?

Chris

--- Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> YOU IDIOT!  This is not about free service for
> driver error!  This is about Mercedes corporate
> guaranteeing several free items.  5 gallons of fuel,
> a free jump start, free roadside battery replacement
> (you pay for the battery).  This is purely as a
> "thank you" for being a loyal MBZ owner.  You
> totally missed the whole point of his post 
> Think on that for a while.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Sent: Oct 28, 2005 11:16 AM
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
> 
> >
> > there were a few contributing factors to my
> running out of fuel, not all
> > of which were my fault
> 
>  If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I
> feel that it is completely
> your fault and once again, you should be fined for
> being on the side of the
> road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly
> basis for creating
> *UNNECESSARY
> LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is
> *absolutely no* reason for
> running out of fuel other than negligence and
> stupidity on the drivers side.
> *NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of
> fuel due to things
> "...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top
> of that he expects
> Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for
> *FREE?* This guy needs to
> wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is
> willing to help out, than
> fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he
> complaining? There are no free
> rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in
> the business to make
> money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's
> from, but around here if
> you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's
> what AAA is for, you pay
> and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type
> of person who goes to
> McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3
> minutes fresh or is on
> welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas
> once but I do acknowledge
> that it was 100% my fault and would have never
> expected for someone to bail
> me out of it for free or complain about someone who
> didn't do it for free.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Luther   KB5QHU
> Alma, Ark
> '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
> '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
> 
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-1987 300TD, 150K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running 
WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this 
unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.)
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger"



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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

Mercedes makes this promise to every buyer of a used
Mercedes:

http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/care/clientcare/roadside_assistance.jsp

In case you missed it:

"And here's a reassuring fact: Every Mercedes-Benz in
the U.S. - no matter how old, how many miles it's
logged or how many owners it's had - qualifies for
Roadside Assistance, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year."

That's a promise to every one of us. The St. Louis
dealership in question, NOT MB, is screwing up. MB
would NOT be happy with the action of that dealership.
This is a sellingh point for every used Mercedes, it
keeps resale values higher and Mercedes likes that b/c
it helps to sell new cars. ALSO, it keeps 'cars with
stars' OFF the side of the road, bolstering MB's
claims to reliability (however untrue that NOW has
become). This is not a prob with MB, it's a prob with
the local dealership not doing what MB wants.

After registering my 87 300TD with MB (so I can easily
use Roadside Assistance if I need it), a few weeks
later, I get a letter dated 1996, with a card (with my
name, address and VIN) and a new cover letter. It
explained the trap oxidizer removal campaign. I got a
COMPLETELY NEW exhaust system for free. They tracked
me down, the AT LEAST THIRD IF NOT MORE owner of that
car to beg me to allow them to put a new exhaust in,
new oxidizing cat and remove the trap. That's
MB...something good left about it.

Customer service is ultimately for the benefit of the
company - through loyalty, etc. Certainly works for me
- I'll play that game. And they DO get your biz when
you buy parts, even if not through the dealership if
they are MB parts, which mine almost always are (on
the SD and TD anyway).

-Chris

--- R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Don't most of you think this thread is getting out
> of hand? There are more
> polite ways of telling people that they are being
> unreasonable.
> 
> My basic feeling is that I bought a 30 year old used
> car privately and I
> have yet to set foot in the door at the local MB
> dealership. I don't plan to
> call them and ask for anything free if I have
> trouble with my car on the
> road. I do need to go over to the dealer and see
> what they can do about
> providing another key as I only have the one.
> 
> Randy
> 
> 
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Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1987 300TD, 150K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running 
WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this 
unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.)
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger"

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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread Kevin J. Slater

I think if you re-read what you wrote about the person in the original
report, and couple that with your obvious ignorance about the Mercedes
Roadside Assistance program, then you could understand why Luther would be
prompted to use strong language to attract your attention.

Also, this Mercedes ownership journey we're on is a fellowship. Perhaps
Luther feels that when you offend someone else in the fellowship, you
offend him? (Not trying to put words in your mouth Luther.)

...Kevin
87 300TD 277k mi

Gabriel S. said:
> Wow, i don't remember ever personally offending you.
>
> On 10/28/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>
>> YOU IDIOT! This is not about free service for driver error! This is
>> about
>> Mercedes corporate guaranteeing several free items. 5 gallons of fuel, a
>> free jump start, free roadside battery replacement (you pay for the
>> battery). This is purely as a "thank you" for being a loyal MBZ owner.
>> You
>> totally missed the whole point of his post Think on that for a
>> while.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Sent: Oct 28, 2005 11:16 AM
>> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
>>
>> >
>> > there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not
>> all
>> > of which were my fault
>>
>> If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is
>> completely
>> your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of
>> the
>> road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating
>> *UNNECESSARY
>> LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason
>> for
>> running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers
>> side.
>> *NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things
>> "...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top of that he expects
>> Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs to
>> wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out,
>> than
>> fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no
>> free
>> rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to
>> make
>> money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around
>> here
>> if
>> you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you
>> pay
>> and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes to
>> McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is on
>> welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do
>> acknowledge
>> that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to
>> bail
>> me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for
>> free.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Luther KB5QHU
>> Alma, Ark
>> '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
>> '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
>>
>> ___
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>>
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>>
>
>
>
> --
> Gabriel Soto
> Southern California
> 1987 300D 230K=-
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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

Breaking down is one thing but complaining because somone didn't respond to
your error is another. I personally would never use mercedes roadside
assistance but if I had a daughter or even a wife it would give me peace of
mind.

On 10/28/05, Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Mercedes makes this promise to every buyer of a used
> Mercedes:
>
>
> http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/care/clientcare/roadside_assistance.jsp
>
> In case you missed it:
>
> "And here's a reassuring fact: Every Mercedes-Benz in
> the U.S. - no matter how old, how many miles it's
> logged or how many owners it's had - qualifies for
> Roadside Assistance, 24 hours a day, 365 days a year."
>
> That's a promise to every one of us. The St. Louis
> dealership in question, NOT MB, is screwing up. MB
> would NOT be happy with the action of that dealership.
> This is a sellingh point for every used Mercedes, it
> keeps resale values higher and Mercedes likes that b/c
> it helps to sell new cars. ALSO, it keeps 'cars with
> stars' OFF the side of the road, bolstering MB's
> claims to reliability (however untrue that NOW has
> become). This is not a prob with MB, it's a prob with
> the local dealership not doing what MB wants.
>
> After registering my 87 300TD with MB (so I can easily
> use Roadside Assistance if I need it), a few weeks
> later, I get a letter dated 1996, with a card (with my
> name, address and VIN) and a new cover letter. It
> explained the trap oxidizer removal campaign. I got a
> COMPLETELY NEW exhaust system for free. They tracked
> me down, the AT LEAST THIRD IF NOT MORE owner of that
> car to beg me to allow them to put a new exhaust in,
> new oxidizing cat and remove the trap. That's
> MB...something good left about it.
>
> Customer service is ultimately for the benefit of the
> company - through loyalty, etc. Certainly works for me
> - I'll play that game. And they DO get your biz when
> you buy parts, even if not through the dealership if
> they are MB parts, which mine almost always are (on
> the SD and TD anyway).
>
> -Chris
>
> --- R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Don't most of you think this thread is getting out
> > of hand? There are more
> > polite ways of telling people that they are being
> > unreasonable.
> >
> > My basic feeling is that I bought a 30 year old used
> > car privately and I
> > have yet to set foot in the door at the local MB
> > dealership. I don't plan to
> > call them and ask for anything free if I have
> > trouble with my car on the
> > road. I do need to go over to the dealer and see
> > what they can do about
> > providing another key as I only have the one.
> >
> > Randy
> >
> >
> > ___
> > For new parts see official list sponsor:
> > http://www.buymbparts.com/
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> >
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> >
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> >
>
> Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
> -1987 300TD, 150K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
> -1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" (
> http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
> -1976 240D, ManyK miles, "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs
> Prüfenlastwagen = Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running
> WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this
> unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.)
> -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger"
>
>
>
>
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1987 300D 230K=-

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance

Chris writes:

> Mercedes makes this promise to every buyer of a used
> Mercedes:
> 
> http://www.mbusa.com/brand/container.jsp?/care/clientcare/road
> side_assistance.jsp
> 
> In case you missed it:
> 
> "And here's a reassuring fact: Every Mercedes-Benz in the 
> U.S. - no matter how old, how many miles it's logged or how 
> many owners it's had - qualifies for Roadside Assistance, 24 
> hours a day, 365 days a year."
> 
> That's a promise to every one of us.

I just spoke with a lovely young lady at MBUSA. I called to add my name and
VIN to their database...they already had me in the "prospect" section of the
database!

She reiterated the Roadside Assistance pledge and sounded truly grateful
that I called, and welcomed me to the club.

Nice.

And what most impressed me was that the call terminated somewhere in the
United States.

Lee
'93 300 2.5 td 175K

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

Cry baby.

On 10/28/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think if you re-read what you wrote about the person in the original
> report, and couple that with your obvious ignorance about the Mercedes
> Roadside Assistance program, then you could understand why Luther would be
> prompted to use strong language to attract your attention.
>
> Also, this Mercedes ownership journey we're on is a fellowship. Perhaps
> Luther feels that when you offend someone else in the fellowship, you
> offend him? (Not trying to put words in your mouth Luther.)
>
> ...Kevin
> 87 300TD 277k mi
>
> Gabriel S. said:
> > Wow, i don't remember ever personally offending you.
> >
> > On 10/28/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> YOU IDIOT! This is not about free service for driver error! This is
> >> about
> >> Mercedes corporate guaranteeing several free items. 5 gallons of fuel,
> a
> >> free jump start, free roadside battery replacement (you pay for the
> >> battery). This is purely as a "thank you" for being a loyal MBZ owner.
> >> You
> >> totally missed the whole point of his post Think on that for a
> >> while.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Oct 28, 2005 11:16 AM
> >> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
> >>
> >> >
> >> > there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not
> >> all
> >> > of which were my fault
> >>
> >> If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is
> >> completely
> >> your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of
> >> the
> >> road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating
> >> *UNNECESSARY
> >> LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason
> >> for
> >> running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers
> >> side.
> >> *NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things
> >> "...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top of that he expects
> >> Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs
> to
> >> wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out,
> >> than
> >> fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no
> >> free
> >> rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to
> >> make
> >> money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around
> >> here
> >> if
> >> you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you
> >> pay
> >> and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes
> to
> >> McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is
> on
> >> welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do
> >> acknowledge
> >> that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to
> >> bail
> >> me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for
> >> free.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Luther KB5QHU
> >> Alma, Ark
> >> '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
> >> '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
> >>
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[MBZ] WSJ.com - Turkey in the Tank: High Price of Gasoline Is a Boon for Biofuels

2005-10-28 Thread johnmci

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Re: [MBZ] Gump muffler


Since it may not be needed, what exactly does the front muffler do?

On Thursday, October 27, 2005, at 09:50 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Clay,
 The front muffler isn't totally necessary and there will only be a 
small difference in the noise level
Its usually just a matter of preference and of course a few extra 
bucks for the center muffler if you choose to put a new one on. It 
will fine without it





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[MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124

So my new (to me) car should be in my garage next weekend...it's time to
start fixing the obvious manufacturing errors :)
 
This car has US DOT lamps and will need some help in the lighting
department.
 
I would prefer not to go aftermarket...does anyone know where I can find a
pair of ecode Hella or Bosch headlamps for my car?
 
And yes, I was the guy that missed the 500E lamps on ebay.de for 125
Euros... :( Given prior experience, however, I would prefer *not* to source
another set of lamps on ebay.de.)
 
Thanks!
 
Lee
'93 300 2.5L td

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:01:15 -0700 "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Wow, i don't remember ever personally offending you.

You aren't personal about it, are you? You offend everyone and then wonder
why people react.


Craig

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

How did I offend YOU Craig?

On 10/28/05, Craig McCluskey <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> On Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:01:15 -0700 "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Wow, i don't remember ever personally offending you.
>
> You aren't personal about it, are you? You offend everyone and then wonder
> why people react.
>
>
> Craig
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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread Luther Gulseth

Gabriel, I must apologize for the harshness of my approach, but I cannot 
apologize for chastising you for saying it's stupid to gripe about a "free 
service" that wasn't free.  Chris said it much more diplomatically than I did.  
Please take this to heart that MB is doing this as a favor/service/thank you to 
us for being loyal MB owners.  THAT is the point everyone is making here.

Kevin-that was a well said interpretation of my post.

Luther

-Original Message-
From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 28, 2005 1:39 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

Cry baby.

On 10/28/05, Kevin J. Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I think if you re-read what you wrote about the person in the original
> report, and couple that with your obvious ignorance about the Mercedes
> Roadside Assistance program, then you could understand why Luther would be
> prompted to use strong language to attract your attention.
>
> Also, this Mercedes ownership journey we're on is a fellowship. Perhaps
> Luther feels that when you offend someone else in the fellowship, you
> offend him? (Not trying to put words in your mouth Luther.)
>
> ...Kevin
> 87 300TD 277k mi
>
> Gabriel S. said:
> > Wow, i don't remember ever personally offending you.
> >
> > On 10/28/05, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >>
> >> YOU IDIOT! This is not about free service for driver error! This is
> >> about
> >> Mercedes corporate guaranteeing several free items. 5 gallons of fuel,
> a
> >> free jump start, free roadside battery replacement (you pay for the
> >> battery). This is purely as a "thank you" for being a loyal MBZ owner.
> >> You
> >> totally missed the whole point of his post Think on that for a
> >> while.
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Sent: Oct 28, 2005 11:16 AM
> >> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
> >>
> >> >
> >> > there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not
> >> all
> >> > of which were my fault
> >>
> >> If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is
> >> completely
> >> your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of
> >> the
> >> road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating
> >> *UNNECESSARY
> >> LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason
> >> for
> >> running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers
> >> side.
> >> *NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things
> >> "...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top of that he expects
> >> Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs
> to
> >> wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out,
> >> than
> >> fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no
> >> free
> >> rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to
> >> make
> >> money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around
> >> here
> >> if
> >> you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you
> >> pay
> >> and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes
> to
> >> McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is
> on
> >> welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do
> >> acknowledge
> >> that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to
> >> bail
> >> me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for
> >> free.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Luther KB5QHU
> >> Alma, Ark
> >> '83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
> >> '82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi
> >>
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Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D Alternator Job

2005-10-28 Thread B Dike

Tom,

You can do it from above but ramps make it easier. 
Just a couple of long bolts and spacers.  Jiggle it
around to get both bolts back in.

Bruce  

--- Tom Scordato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Has anyone changed out an alternator on a 1981 240D?
> 
> Need some advise or some war stories on how to do
> it.  Can it be done with 
> out lifting the car?
> Please advise on a web link or a procedure.  Thanks
> gang.
> 
> Regards Tom Scordato

Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 236kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 194kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'

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Re: [MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124

2005-10-28 Thread John M McIntosh

Well Jeff Zedic has been lobbying for my used used of euro w124  
lights off my 90's 300TDt.
As the seller I of course would be interested to privately hear what  
your offer could be.
I won't know until early next week how much Canadian post shipping  
would be so one would also need to add that
to the cost, I'd bet upwards of $50 for shipping costs would not be  
out of line.


Euro w124 Bosch headlights, average glass sandblasting, no chips/ 
cracks, no broken mounts.
You would still need the three metal screw clips, and the lower  
rubber trim (both from existing USA lights I'd guess).


Replaced last week by new 500E lamps for considerably more than   
125E, but much less than dealer suggested pricing.


On 28-Oct-05, at 10:53 AM, Lee Levitt wrote:

So my new (to me) car should be in my garage next weekend...it's  
time to

start fixing the obvious manufacturing errors :)

This car has US DOT lamps and will need some help in the lighting
department.

I would prefer not to go aftermarket...does anyone know where I can  
find a

pair of ecode Hella or Bosch headlamps for my car?

And yes, I was the guy that missed the 500E lamps on ebay.de for 125
Euros... :( Given prior experience, however, I would prefer *not*  
to source

another set of lamps on ebay.de.)

Thanks!

Lee
'93 300 2.5L td
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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis


Surprisingly we agree on this one, at least in that theres no excuse (most of 
the time) for running out of fuel. That said mistakes are made, I for one try 
and take it easy on people who make mistakes so that hopefully they'll take it 
easy on me when I make mine.

 

That said I think that anybody caught driving overly agressively like the guy 
who tried to run me off the road this morning just for merging while he was 
trying to go 80mph in the right hand lane of a 3 lane highway where the center 
lane is going 70mph should lose his license for a year. People need to learn 
that just because they're driving a fast car doesn't mean that they have any 
more right to the road than anyone else. I was merging just fine and this 
jackass pulls up INTO my spot and tries to push me off the road. I looked at 
his expensive Lexus and my 240D with the clearcoat peeling off, held my line 
and said "Go for it, I dare you." He backed off.

 

-Curt

 

Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:16:00 -0700
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>
> there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not 
all
> of which were my fault

 If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is 
completely
your fault 


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300TDT (W124) Climate Control Problems
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Casey,

If the problem is not vacuum related, it's got to be either the
pushbutton unit, or the 7-port manifold. I've never heard of the
manifold failing (don't know how common that is or isn't). Why not
replace the p/b unit? Rebuilts are approx $250 or so (call Rusty). All
of my W124's (except the 1994 model) have needed rebuilt p/b units by
now. The ACC isn't bad, really, once you get it working as intended.
My main gripe is the lack of a 'medium' fan speed. I'd love to modify
the unit to add that, but will probably never get around to it.

If you have bad vac pods, just bite the bullet and replace them all. I
can do it in under 5 hours now. It is s nice to have all the pods
working!

:-)

+dm

> --
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 09:24:17 -0700
> From: Zeitgeist <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1987 300TDT (W124) Climate Control Problems
>
>
> Mine also exhibited this errant behavior, so my "solution" was to tie
> system vacuum semi-permanently to the footwell vacuum pod.  Works ok,
> until you need full defrost.  I need to do some serious diagnostics
> this Fall/Winter, cuz I'm beyond tired of having a defective ACC.
>
> Did I mention that I hate the ACC?
>
>
> Casey
> Olympia, WA

Re: [MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124

John writes:

> Well Jeff Zedic has been lobbying for my used used of euro 
> w124 lights off my 90's 300TDt.
> As the seller I of course would be interested to privately 
> hear what your offer could be.
> I won't know until early next week how much Canadian post 
> shipping would be so one would also need to add that to the 
> cost, I'd bet upwards of $50 for shipping costs would not be 
> out of line.
> 
> Euro w124 Bosch headlights, average glass sandblasting, no 
> chips/ cracks, no broken mounts.
> You would still need the three metal screw clips, and the 
> lower rubber trim (both from existing USA lights I'd guess).

John,

If Jeff is going to buy them, then I don't want to butt in. If he's not, I'd
be interested.

Let me know what Jeff decides. 

In the meantime, can you send me some pics of the lenses and the lamps?

Thanks!

Lee
'93 300 2.5L td 175K

Re: [MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124

2005-10-28 Thread Dave M.

Hi Lee,

First, you need to decide if you want standard fog lights, or if you'd
prefer the 500E driving lights instead of fogs. If you're content with
the standard lights, call Rusty, he can get Bosch E-codes for you. If
you want Hellas, PUMA can get those. Both are OEM and are, IMO, of
equal quality (which is better than any of the offshore copies like
TYC or Depo.)

If you want 500E or E500 lights, you either need to score them off
eBay, or buy new from Speed-Autoteile.com in Germany. The price for
the lights isn't bad, but S&H is outrageous. Figure clost to $700 USD
if you want a new pair of those. They're no longer available through
aftermarket channels.

To simplify things, you can get stock-wattage 'Plus 50' bulbs which
put out significantly more light than standard bulbs. If you want to
use overwattage bulbs, you need relays, which complicates the
installation significantly. I've done the relay install on three cars
now - takes me 6-10 hours to do it neatly. Photos of two of them are
here:

http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_headlights/

:-)

--
Dave M.
Boise, ID
1994 E500 - 95kmi  (Q-ship)
1987 300D - 260kmi (Sportline)


> --
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 13:53:55 -0400
> From: "Lee Levitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124
>
> So my new (to me) car should be in my garage next weekend...it's time to
> start fixing the obvious manufacturing errors :)
>
> This car has US DOT lamps and will need some help in the lighting
> department.
>
> I would prefer not to go aftermarket...does anyone know where I can find a
> pair of ecode Hella or Bosch headlamps for my car?
>
> And yes, I was the guy that missed the 500E lamps on ebay.de for 125
> Euros... :( Given prior experience, however, I would prefer *not* to source
> another set of lamps on ebay.de.)
>
> Thanks!
>
> Lee
> '93 300 2.5L td

[MBZ] gasoline and oil in the AKP-Wagen

Keep in mind this is the AKP-Wagen (see below if that
confuses you).

With D2 being so high, I was wondering if I could
blend VO and filtered crankcase oil with gasoline and
use no D2 at all...not sure what the right proportions
would be...50/50...75 oil/25 gas? I have been blending
oils with kero lately as it is cheaper than d2 and
that has been OK.

Any thoughts would be appreciated.



Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri
-1987 300TD, 150K miles, "Rotkäppchen" (Little Red Riding Hood)
-1985 300SD, 209K miles, "Wulf" 
(http://www.pictureblogger.com/My-1985-Mercedes-Benz-300SD)
-1976 240D, ManyK miles,  "AKP-Wagen" (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Prüfenlastwagen 
= Alternative Fuel Test Vehicle) running 
WVO/WMO/LO/CO/WATF/WGL/WBF/DA/MS/lard/gas/kero/D2 mix (do not attempt this 
unless you are willing to sacrifice your IP, injectors, pre-chambers, etc.)
-1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38" deck, Snowcaster, "One Banger"



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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread Luther Gulseth

I have run out of fuel on my '83 300SD.  I discovered (the hard way) that my 
reserve light is burnt out and the fuel gauge was showing 1/4 tank.  Is this my 
mistake or a mechanical failure?  Here at work, if our driver runs out of fuel, 
we deduct the roadservice labor from their check, UNLESS they say "my fuel 
gauge shows 1/2 tank, but I think I'm out of fuel" or something similar.  
Mechanical failures causing out of fuel are paid for from our maintenance 
budget.

-Original Message-
From: Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Oct 28, 2005 2:54 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis


Surprisingly we agree on this one, at least in that theres no excuse (most of 
the time) for running out of fuel. That said mistakes are made, I for one try 
and take it easy on people who make mistakes so that hopefully they'll take it 
easy on me when I make mine.

 

That said I think that anybody caught driving overly agressively like the guy 
who tried to run me off the road this morning just for merging while he was 
trying to go 80mph in the right hand lane of a 3 lane highway where the center 
lane is going 70mph should lose his license for a year. People need to learn 
that just because they're driving a fast car doesn't mean that they have any 
more right to the road than anyone else. I was merging just fine and this 
jackass pulls up INTO my spot and tries to push me off the road. I looked at 
his expensive Lexus and my 240D with the clearcoat peeling off, held my line 
and said "Go for it, I dare you." He backed off.

 

-Curt

Luther   KB5QHU
Alma, Ark
'83 300SD (happily running diesel/WVO mix)
'82 300CD slate grey, black interior, 152,xxx mi

Re: [MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124

Dave writes:

> 
> First, you need to decide if you want standard fog lights, or 
> if you'd prefer the 500E driving lights instead of fogs. If 
> you're content with the standard lights, call Rusty, he can 
> get Bosch E-codes for you. If you want Hellas, PUMA can get 
> those. Both are OEM and are, IMO, of equal quality (which is 
> better than any of the offshore copies like TYC or Depo.)

Standards lights are fine...easier to use the fogs as DRLs. Of course if I
do an aftermarket xenon upgrade, the 500Es would be better due to the
separate high beam. But I digress...

I've bought ecode lamps from Puma before and already talked with Paul. He
offered an Italian light, Maranellis (?) rather than Hellas. I also just
sent an email to Rusty.

> 
> To simplify things, you can get stock-wattage 'Plus 50' bulbs 
> which put out significantly more light than standard bulbs. 
> If you want to use overwattage bulbs, you need relays, which 
> complicates the installation significantly. I've done the 
> relay install on three cars now - takes me 6-10 hours to do 
> it neatly. Photos of two of them are
> here:
> 
> http://www.w124performance.com/images/W124_headlights/
> 

Been there, done that with ecodes on a Volvo 740 and a County LWB Rover.
Think I'll go easy this time around...don't want to invest *too* much
time/effort into the front end of this car...

Lee
'93 300 2.5L td 175K

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread John Robbins


Gabriel S. wrote:

How did I offend YOU Craig?


I don't think it's how you offend an individual, but how you offend a 
large portion of the list.

[MBZ] Hellup!

2005-10-28 Thread frederick w moir


Hi, All.
	I think my 87 190Dt has a problem and you lot are (collectively) much 
smarter than I am. Symptoms:- Small thin ring of oil (?) in the reservoir, 
coupled with a very slow loss of coolant. There are no external coolant 
leaks visible. I changed the M1 from 15w to 5w (winter's coming) and 
replaced the front exhaust pipe and a few days later the car would start on 
4 cyl. and then run on 5 after about 20 seconds attended by a small cloud 
of BLUE smoke. The car when warm runs very well, a couple of weeks ago it 
went in excess of 161Kph (until I chickened out) and still will, I'm sure. 
Q. Head gasket? (Please don't say cracked head, besides mine, that is.) ??

TIA
Fred Moir
Dieselitis Horribilis
190D 2.2 '84
190Dt 2.5 '87
300TD '85
190E Organ Donor

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

That is the advantage of driving an inexpensive cheap car!

On 10/28/05, Curt Raymond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> Surprisingly we agree on this one, at least in that theres no excuse (most
> of the time) for running out of fuel. That said mistakes are made, I for one
> try and take it easy on people who make mistakes so that hopefully they'll
> take it easy on me when I make mine.
>
>
>
> That said I think that anybody caught driving overly agressively like the
> guy who tried to run me off the road this morning just for merging while he
> was trying to go 80mph in the right hand lane of a 3 lane highway where the
> center lane is going 70mph should lose his license for a year. People need
> to learn that just because they're driving a fast car doesn't mean that they
> have any more right to the road than anyone else. I was merging just fine
> and this jackass pulls up INTO my spot and tries to push me off the road. I
> looked at his expensive Lexus and my 240D with the clearcoat peeling off,
> held my line and said "Go for it, I dare you." He backed off.
>
>
>
> -Curt
>
>
>
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 08:16:00 -0700
> From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis
> To: Mercedes mailing list <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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> >
> > there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not
> all
> > of which were my fault
>
> If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is
> completely
> your fault
>
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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

ohhh boo hooo cry me a river.

On 10/28/05, John Robbins <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Gabriel S. wrote:
> > How did I offend YOU Craig?
>
> I don't think it's how you offend an individual, but how you offend a
> large portion of the list.
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Re: [MBZ] a couple more oil profit stories

2005-10-28 Thread Kevin

On Fri, Oct 28, 2005 at 08:25:53AM -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote:
> gas here is down to 2.09, the lowest diesel I was was 2.99

I'm seriously considering grabbing a cheap gasser tow rig (or resurrecting
the 77 cherokee with the 401 with an attitude problem) to use if I don't need
what the diesel has to offer. And the margin between 87 octane (or 89 in the
case of the jeep) and diesel here is nowhere near what it is out there.

You might want to hang onto that burbinator.

K

[MBZ] Boston area cars for you to ignore

http://boston.craigslist.org/car/107281620.html - gasser
 
http://boston.craigslist.org/car/107218482.html - 190Db
This is tempting but I'd feel like a heel for driving it into the ground
 
http://boston.craigslist.org/car/107227857.html - overpriced 123 wagon
 
http://boston.craigslist.org/car/107214646.html - gasser
 
no affiliation etc.
 
If anybody has a line on a very nice w123 sedan or coupe or 190D within about 
200 miles of Boston I'm interested.
 
-Curt


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Hi, All.
I think my 87 190Dt has a problem and you lot are (collectively) much
smarter than I am. Symptoms:- Small thin ring of oil (?) in the reservoir,
coupled with a very slow loss of coolant. There are no external coolant
leaks visible. I changed the M1 from 15w to 5w (winter's coming) and
replaced the front exhaust pipe and a few days later the car would start on
4 cyl. and then run on 5 after about 20 seconds attended by a small cloud
of BLUE smoke. The car when warm runs very well, a couple of weeks ago it
went in excess of 161Kph (until I chickened out) and still will, I'm sure.
Q. Head gasket? (Please don't say cracked head, besides mine, that is.) ??
TIA
Fred Moir
Dieselitis Horribilis
190D 2.2 '84
190Dt 2.5 '87
300TD '85
190E Organ Donor



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Re: [MBZ] 1981 240D Alternator Job

2005-10-28 Thread Tom Scordato

thanks a million Bruce!
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Tom,

You can do it from above but ramps make it easier. 
Just a couple of long bolts and spacers.  Jiggle it

around to get both bolts back in.

Bruce  

--- Tom Scordato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Has anyone changed out an alternator on a 1981 240D?

Need some advise or some war stories on how to do
it.  Can it be done with 
out lifting the car?

Please advise on a web link or a procedure.  Thanks
gang.

Regards Tom Scordato

Bruce
82 300CD 334kmi 'His'
85 300CD 236kmi 'Hers'
75 240D 194kmi 'Donner'
77 240D 204kmi 'Blitzen'

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Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis

2005-10-28 Thread Bob Rentfro


Holy Crapchill out Dr. Spazolopopus.

Bob Rentfro
'77 300D 141K
Litchfield Park, AZ

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From: "Gabriel S." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

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Sent: Friday, October 28, 2005 8:16 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis



>

there were a few contributing factors to my running out of fuel, not all
of which were my fault


If you run out of fuel on the side of the road I feel that it is 
completely
your fault and once again, you should be fined for being on the side of 
the

road due to that. You should be fined on an hourly basis for creating
*UNNECESSARY
LOSS* because of your poor judgement. There is *absolutely no* reason for
running out of fuel other than negligence and stupidity on the drivers 
side.

*NONE*. Imagine airplane pilots just running out of fuel due to things
"...no all of which were my fault" *MORON*. On top of that he expects
Mercedes to bail him out of this situation for *FREE?* This guy needs to
wake up and smell the fresh coffee, if Mercedes is willing to help out, 
than

fine, but if they don't, who the hell is he complaining? There are no free
rides! Both the tow company and Mercedes Benz are in the business to make
money. What an F'ing loser! I don't know where he's from, but around here 
if
you want a service, you have to pay for it, that's what AAA is for, you 
pay

and they *have to* tow. I suspect this is the type of person who goes to
McDonald's and takes back food because it isn't 3 minutes fresh or is on
welfare. I have to admit, I myself ran out of gas once but I do 
acknowledge
that it was 100% my fault and would have never expected for someone to 
bail

me out of it for free or complain about someone who didn't do it for free.


On 10/28/05, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


I hope this isn't going to become common. A mercedesshop member ran out 
of

diesel
in St Louis. He called MBZ roadside assistance. The local dealer had
contracted
with a local towing company to provide the service, apparently at the
driver's
expense. The towing service refused to bring fuel, even after the driver
demanded
to talk to a manager. They would, however, be willing to tow him to a 
fuel

station
for $85. What part of "free" didn't they understand?

http://www.mercedesshop.com/shopforum/showthread.php3?t=135491

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Re: [MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124

2005-10-28 Thread Dave M.

Hi Lee,

Shoot, PUMA doesn't sell Hella lights anymore for the W124? I know
they couldn't get the 500E lights (Hella stopped making them for the
aftermarket channel), but I thought the regular W124 lights were still
available. Ouch.

On a side note, I would NOT do any Xenon upgrade on a lamp assembly
designed for halogens. The proper solution is overwatt halogen bulbs
with relays. I've only seen a couple of 'proper' Xenon W124 retrofits
and they required massive amounts of custom work, including new clear
lenses. Here's a good writeup on the subject from an industry expert:

http://www.danielsternlighting.com/tech/bulbs/Hid/HID.html

:-)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Fri, 28 Oct 2005 15:48:00 -0400
> From: "Lee Levitt" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Ecode lamps for a W124
>
> Dave writes:
>
> >
> > First, you need to decide if you want standard fog lights, or
> > if you'd prefer the 500E driving lights instead of fogs. If
> > you're content with the standard lights, call Rusty, he can
> > get Bosch E-codes for you. If you want Hellas, PUMA can get
> > those. Both are OEM and are, IMO, of equal quality (which is
> > better than any of the offshore copies like TYC or Depo.)
>
> Standards lights are fine...easier to use the fogs as DRLs. Of course if I
> do an aftermarket xenon upgrade, the 500Es would be better due to the
> separate high beam. But I digress...
>
> I've bought ecode lamps from Puma before and already talked with Paul. He
> offered an Italian light, Maranellis (?) rather than Hellas. I also just
> sent an email to Rusty.

Re: [MBZ] Roadside assistance in Stlouis