[MBZ] Electrical Headrest Removal
Looking to install some sheepskin seat covers that require removal of the headrest. Have taken the manual ones off but don't know about electric. How is it done? Alan Duff Knoxville, TN
Re: [MBZ] fuel in, but no fuel out
Pressure regulator is in the same hole as the one on the old buzzbox and non-KE -- where the return line to the tank connects. Purely mechanical unless it has an oxygen sensor. Peter
Re: [MBZ] fuel in, but no fuel out
Kaleb: Unscrew the return line -- the regulator is the fitting behind. Peter
Re: [MBZ] fuel in, but no fuel out
the return line out of the fuel dist? Peter Frederick wrote: Kaleb: Unscrew the return line -- the regulator is the fitting behind. Peter ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Dave M. wrote: Different years models have the 2nd gear start. My 1986 and 1990 300E's both started in second gear, and I believe all years did. My 1987 300D starts in first gear, and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The E420 and E500 both start in second, although this can be rectified with electronic wizardry (I have the BergWerks 1st gear start kit in my car), or with a RENNtech valve body (at over 4x the cost). Not many gas 124's started in first, if any... I forget if/when MB finally got away from this annoying practice. -dm -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] VIN check please!
Vehicle Snapshot Vehicle 1999 Chevrolet Truck Suburban 2500/Base Model/LS/LT VIN 3GNGK26F4XG220691 Body Style Utility 4 Door Country of Manufacture Mexico Vehicle History Checklist Vehicle Description 3GNGK26F4XG220691 Title Check No records found Problem Check No records found Odometer Check No records found Vehicle Information No records found Full History Records found Title Check Your vehicle checks out! Abandoned No Abandoned Records Found Damaged No Damaged Records Found Fire Damage No Fire Damage Records Found Grey Market No Grey Market Records Found Hail Damage No Hail Damage Records Found Insurance Loss No Insurance Loss Records Found Junk No Junk Records Found Rebuilt/Rebuildable No Rebuilt/Rebuildable Records Found Salvage No Salvage Records Found Problem Check Your vehicle checks out! NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle No NHTSA Crash Test Vehicle Records Found Fire Damage Incident No Fire Damage Incident Records Found Frame Damage No Frame Damage Records Found Major Damage No Major Damage Records Found Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon No Manufacturer Buyback/Lemon Records Found Odometer Problem No Odometer Problem Records Found Salvage Auction No Salvage Auction Records Found Water Damage No Water Damage Records Found Vehicle Information Your vehicle checks out! Accident Data No Accident Data Records Found Corrected Title No Corrected Title Records Found Driver Education No Driver Education Records Found Duplicate Title No Duplicate Title Records Found Emission/Safety Inspection No Emission/Safety Inspection Records Found Livery Use No Livery Use Records Found Government Use No Government Use Records Found Police Use No Police Use Records Found Rental/Fleet No Rental/Fleet Records Found Repossessed No Repossessed Records Found Taxi Use No Taxi Use Records Found Theft No Theft Records Found Vehicle History Records We have searched the Experian Automotive National Vehicle Database of insurance, DMV, and auto auction information and found the following 9 records for this 1999 CHEVROLET TRUCK SUBURBAN 2500/BASE MODEL/LS/LT. Note the highlighted rows for potential issues that could affect the value of this vehicle. Date Location Mileage Description 1999-06-09 FL 10 odometer reading from dmv 1999-06-21 jacksonville, FL registration event/renewal 1999-06-25 jacksonville, FL title 1999-06-25 jacksonville, FL title 2001-07-13 jacksonville, FL registration event/renewal 2002-08-01 jacksonville, FL registration event/renewal 2003-07-16 jacksonville, FL registration event/renewal 2004-08-10 jacksonville, FL registration event/renewal 2005-07-19 jacksonville, FL registration event/renewal Glossary of Descriptions Found for This Vehicle (full glossary) Description Full Definition Odometer Reading from DMV Odometer reading recorded by the state Department of Motor Vehicles. Renewal Vehicle had registration renewal event reported by state DMV. Title Vehicle had title registration event reported by state DMV. Highlights Highlights from our Editors' Review of the 1992-99 Chevrolet Tahoe The following summary includes recall and trouble spot information for several model years of this vehicle. Only information labeled 1992-99 applies to this vehicle. Consumer Guide Rating N/A Pros Antilock brakes, Passenger and cargo room, Highway ride, Acceleration (7.4-liter), Visibility, Trailer-towing capability Cons Acceleration (early models), Fuel economy, Rear-seat entry/exit, Maneuverability, Handling Road Test Scores Performance 5 Fuel Economy 1 Ride Quality 5 Steering/Handling/Braking 3 Quietness 5 Controls/Materials 5 Interior Room 6 Room/Comfort (rear) 6 Cargo Capacity 8 Value within Class 5 (all scores out of 10) NHTSA Safety Ratings Front Impact, Driver 4 Front Impact, Passenger 4 (all scores out of 5) Recalls Check with the seller to ensure that the recall work was completed on these items. 1992: Brake-pedal pivot bolt can disengage. 1994: Reversed polarity of brake switch can cause contacts to wear prematurely; may result in loss of brake lights without warning. 1994-96: Solder joints can crack, causing windshield wipers to work intermittently. 1994-97: The windshield wiper motor may fail on certain vehicles. Dealer will inspect and replace affected parts. 1995: External transmission leak can occur. 1995: When shift lever is placed in Park position, its indicator light may not illuminate. 1995-96: Throttle cable may contact dash mat and bind. 1997-98: On certain vehicles, the outside rearview mirror switch may short circuit. Dealer will inspect and replace affected parts. 1998: On some vehicles, one or both front-brake rotor/hubs may have out-of-spec gray iron that can fail during life of vehicle. 1999: In a crash, right front passenger-restraint systems may not meet neck extension requirements. Trouble Spots Check for these possible problems when test-driving and
Re: [MBZ] 240D RIP
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 01:26 PM, Mathieu J. Cama wrote: Pictures of the car are at: http://oldworldauto.com/240RIP/240D_RIP.htm Body shop estimates $5400 in damages. OUCH! Good thing Jen's alright. I hope the insurance co. is fair to you. Good Luck, Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] 1994 S350
Got busy with work, the weather sucks, and my garage is not heated. It's on my to-do list. The kick-down switch is working okay, unfortunately. This might be another messy job. Car works great as long I don't need to go over 35mph. Good thing I work at home. Good point about the wiring harnesses. I had to replace the glow plug harness (~$100), and the main engine harness (~$300). Forgot about that. The insulation tends to biodegrade or something and you could see exposed copper poking through all over the place. I've heard that the dealer charges over $1k labor to do those. Not that hard to do yourself. You do need to remove the intake manifold to get to the glow plug harness. Thanks for asking. -Dave Walton 94 S350, 99E300 On 1/24/06, James Zavesky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dave's right. And on top of the motor, plan on changing many harness's and the evapoator. Count yourself lucky it doesn't have ASR. The rear accumulators are a breeze compared to an 'E' class. Dave what was up with that transmission problem you had? James Zavesky - Original Message - From: dave walton [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 1994 S350 You really have to like doing everything yourself, or you are looking at a money pit. With any luck, it will last long enough for you to install a factory rebuilt engine.. Great car IMHO. -Dave Walton 94S350, 99E300 On 24 Jan 2006 17:34:12 -, Alan Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking at a 1994 S350 that has been side-swiped so that both doors on the passenger side are caved for six inches or so. Shows 134k miles and the engine and tranny seem fine. I haven't paid attention but I guess this is one of the rod-benders. I suspect the wreck has caused frame damage so I don't know about driving it after body repair. Are there S350s sitting around with ruined engines that would make a transplant feasible? Alan Duff Knoxville, TN ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
Amen, Dr. L Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 4:09 PM Subject: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars Today we learned that a HS friend of my daughter was burned beyond any recognition after her 2005 Toyota hit a rock pillar at the entrance to a park and then burned. It took them almost a week to find out who it was. There was not enough of the vehicle left to get a VIN from, and the aluminum license plates melted away. The fire was fueled not only by gasoline, but by all the plastic inside and outside the vehicle. This is a sickening event, and one that is unlikely in our well designed solid old cars. Many of us have been involved in accidents in our Mercedes and walked away. My daughter was T boned in her SL 2 years ago, and walked away. It was the kind of accident that had reportedly caused many lesser vehicles to burn. Each member of my family has been hit in their Mercedes in the past 4 years. Each has walked or driven away. Fortunately, my last run-in was 23 years ago when the Pinto pulled out into my ol rusty trusty winter 190Dc and was wiped out. I believe my SDL may be the safest car on the road, if there is such a thing with all the idiots they let drive now. Drive safe. Friends don't let friends drive Toyotas, , _, Or __! You fill in the blanks. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Do you always floor them on take-off? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
Surely a big part of why the Toyota fire happened is just that it was a gas car? That's one big safety advantage of diesel that many people don't think about---it's combustible, but not inflammable, much less volatile. Not saying that MB's aren't safer than other cars, rather that there's a big fire-safety bonus to driving an oilburner on top of the inherent crash safety engineered into the car. (And not to mention the fact that a 240D is incapable of acquiring enough kinetic energy to damage itself or anything else in a collision!) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo On 1/24/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Today we learned that a HS friend of my daughter was burned beyond any recognition after her 2005 Toyota hit a rock pillar at the entrance to a park and then burned. It took them almost a week to find out who it was. There was not enough of the vehicle left to get a VIN from, and the aluminum license plates melted away. The fire was fueled not only by gasoline, but by all the plastic inside and outside the vehicle. This is a sickening event, and one that is unlikely in our well designed solid old cars. Many of us have been involved in accidents in our Mercedes and walked away. My daughter was T boned in her SL 2 years ago, and walked away. It was the kind of accident that had reportedly caused many lesser vehicles to burn. Each member of my family has been hit in their Mercedes in the past 4 years. Each has walked or driven away. Fortunately, my last run-in was 23 years ago when the Pinto pulled out into my ol rusty trusty winter 190Dc and was wiped out. I believe my SDL may be the safest car on the road, if there is such a thing with all the idiots they let drive now. Drive safe. Friends don't let friends drive Toyotas, , _, Or __! You fill in the blanks. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
no John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st Do you always floor them on take-off? Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] 240D RIP
I've found that the SF agent is critical - there are good ones and bad ones, and it does seem to make a difference. We've been customers for more years than I care to remember, with one agency going through three owners due to deaths - that last one was worthless, so we moved to another one and have been happy with them. On 1/24/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So, I called my SF agent to see if there was anything he could do, he said no, and I told him where he could shove the $70 and other premiums, where the sun don't shine. F'in SF! Luther, EX-SF customer -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
[MBZ] another cheap SDL
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-TURBO-DIESEL-1987-MERCEDES-300SDL-DONATED-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4607573647QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] this stuff anygood?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Fuel-System-Cleaner-BG44K_W0QQitemZ8033011249QQcategoryZ33557QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
[MBZ] lots of cheap SDL's on ebay right now
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-300SDLDIESEL-Mercedes-Benz-300-SDL-Diesel-GREAT-BODY_W0QQitemZ4607538651QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Well, Marshall, I think my '90 Diesel W124 is working correctly. It was a zone car and completely checked out before being titled as new when we bought it at HBL. Norbert was one of the checkers. Since HBL changed hands, the folks at ASC have treated us better, and their best people have worked on this car, too. So I'll enjoy the easy starts, better economy, very little creep while stopped, and the really great kick when I push the pedal down about 3/4 on a start! I will keep checking on this, however - and if it turns out the car is not working correctly, I'll post an apology. Werner - Original Message - From: Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 3:52 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second Werner Fehlauer wrote: Yes, but the '90 124 2.5 Diesel starts in 2nd, unless you floor it. Werner When properly adjusted, most turbo diesels SHOULD sit in second and drop into 1st as soon as you push on the accelerator (unless you are pointed down hill and BARELY touch the pedal). A few sit in first AND start in first. If your's doesn't then it need adjustment. The attachment outlines the idle and starting gear for most Mercedes transmissions from Automatic Transmission Maintenance Diagnosis (thru 1989) published by Mercedes 1989. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
I just read my owners manual for the '90 300D 2.5, US. There is no mention of starting in second. It does have a bold warning that states: It is dangerous to shift the selector lever out of P od N is the engine speed is higher than idle speed. If your foot is not on the brake pedal, the car could accelerate quickly forward or in reverse. You could lose control of the car and hit something. Only shift into gear when the engine is idling normally. That seems to me to validate Marshall's statement that the second gear start of the ealier models was to prevent creeping. I know that this car starts in first every time, whether I'm flooring it or not. So does the '87 300SDL. My 115 300D's all started in second unless I floored them, or shifted into and back out of L first. The 450SLC starts in first, but it only has three gears, and first goes all the way to 57 MPH or so - I think they just eliminated first gear from the tranny --- On 1/24/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: no John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 07:24 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: every 124 diesel I have ever owned or driven has started in 1st -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] this stuff anygood?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Fuel-System-Cleaner-BG44K_W0QQitemZ8033011249QQcategoryZ33557QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem BG44k is good stuff. Maybe not quite as good as Diesel Purge, but easier to use (just put it in the tank). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Electrical Headrest Removal
I wondered the same thing, and happen to have the owners manual in hand, so I looked it up. This is for the '90 300D 2.5 --- Bring the headrest to it's highest position. (Power head restraints: slide the switch up for approximately 5 seconds). Then push the hidden button, pull up sharply on the left headrest post - same as for a manual head rest. Installation is Insert the head restraint and push it down to the stop. On 25 Jan 2006 00:05:45 -, Alan Duff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looking to install some sheepskin seat covers that require removal of the headrest. Have taken the manual ones off but don't know about electric. How is it done? Alan Duff Knoxville, TN -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 02:18 PM, Dave M. wrote: and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The Euro 124 w/2.5 diesel, owner's manual that I have mentions the 2nd gear start and I have driven US versions, they all started in 2nd. I have not driven a gas 124. I have only driven two or 3 '90s 124 diesels and I REALLY didn't notice. All of the pre 90s 124 diesels I've driven started in first (just like the Mercedes document shows http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060124/417df177/Trans_Start.pdf All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
I always thought that gasoline caused most vehicle fires, but I have seen a lot of semi tractors that burned. The only difference is that diesel needs a wick or it needs to be heated enough to vaporize. Gasoline evaporates easily at air temps. Since diesel has more BTUs per gallon, it will burn longer or hotter once lit. Metal scraping on pavement provides enough heat and sparks to light even diesel in some conditions. Even a 240D (or 190Dc auto) can create a pool of fuel and a stream of sparks. The local independent shop has the remains of an SD that caught fire while driving down the interstate. I would have believed that to be impossible until I saw it. The fire does not appear to have started at the alternator or battery. It appears to have burned longer/hotter on the left side (where the fuel is) of the engine compartment. It got hot enough that the valve cover melted. I can't find an explanation of the cause of the fire. I can only surmise a combination of oil leaks, fuel leaks and a seriously overheated/sparking electrical component (CC fuse maybe) One thing that I have noticed is that on the old cars with the tank under the trunk (107-115 inclusive) if a fuel line is cut or broken, the fuel stays in the tank. In the interest of safety after the Pinto debacle, the feds made the tanks move to behind the passenger seat. On these later cars, the fuel will run out to the ground if you cut or break a fuel line in the engine compartment. If a fire did start, these tanks will feed the fire. This is independent of manufacturer. Loren At 07:08 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: Surely a big part of why the Toyota fire happened is just that it was a gas car? That's one big safety advantage of diesel that many people don't think about---it's combustible, but not inflammable, much less volatile. Not saying that MB's aren't safer than other cars, rather that there's a big fire-safety bonus to driving an oilburner on top of the inherent crash safety engineered into the car. (And not to mention the fact that a 240D is incapable of acquiring enough kinetic energy to damage itself or anything else in a collision!) Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo
Re: [MBZ] where's my white cane?
Fully bespectacled. those newer cars just look like toyotas from a distance greater than one is able to see the three point star On Monday, January 23, 2006, at 06:54 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I am still confusing a w124 with a Kia as they approach. Too much of the is it or ain't it. Not the way you can tell at a distance the 116, 126 or 123, let alone the 50's and 60's models Too vain to wear our glasses, are we? RLE ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 09:54 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall My new 86 190D 2.5 Euro definitely starts in 2nd unless I put my foot into it a little further. I'll give it to you verbatim from the 124 Euro manual #124 584 14 96 order # 6550 5614 02 page 56: Note: In selector lever posititon D and 3 the vehicle will start off in 2nd gear when accelerating gently. The vehicle will start off in 1st gear when accelerating briskly. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
I vaguely recall a scandal around a TV documentary where they were demonstrating the difference in flamability of Diesle and gas cars by firing a rifle at the fuel tanks. Neither one exploded onr burned. They decided to light the gas tank with a model rocket engine to demonstrate their point! I still beleive that a Diesel car is less likely to burn than a gas car though -- On 1/24/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that gasoline caused most vehicle fires, but I have seen a lot of semi tractors that burned. The only difference is that diesel needs a wick or it needs to be heated enough to vaporize. Gasoline evaporates easily at air temps. Since diesel has more BTUs per gallon, it will burn longer or hotter once lit. Metal scraping on pavement provides enough heat and sparks to light even diesel in some conditions. Even a 240D (or 190Dc auto) can create a pool of fuel and a stream of sparks. The local independent shop has the remains of an SD that caught fire while driving down the interstate. I would have believed that to be impossible until I saw it. The fire does not appear to have started at the alternator or battery. It appears to have burned longer/hotter on the left side (where the fuel is) of the engine compartment. It got hot enough that the valve cover melted. I can't find an explanation of the cause of the fire. I can only surmise a combination of oil leaks, fuel leaks and a seriously overheated/sparking electrical component (CC fuse maybe) One thing that I have noticed is that on the old cars with the tank under the trunk (107-115 inclusive) if a fuel line is cut or broken, the fuel stays in the tank. In the interest of safety after the Pinto debacle, the feds made the tanks move to behind the passenger seat. On these later cars, the fuel will run out to the ground if you cut or break a fuel line in the engine compartment. If a fire did start, these tanks will feed the fire. This is independent of manufacturer. Loren -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
[MBZ] shorts
Thank you Fred. Your insight was invaluable in hunting down the fault in the horn. I was able to fix it with a $5 part. A PnP steering wheel -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
So the breaking point is either pre/post '90, euro/US, or both. On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 09:54 PM, Marshall Booth wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall My new 86 190D 2.5 Euro definitely starts in 2nd unless I put my foot into it a little further. I'll give it to you verbatim from the 124 Euro manual #124 584 14 96 order # 6550 5614 02 page 56: Note: In selector lever posititon D and 3 the vehicle will start off in 2nd gear when accelerating gently. The vehicle will start off in 1st gear when accelerating briskly. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
Re: [MBZ] Will 240D Manual Tranny fit up to a 300D that came with anAutomatic?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:42:26 -0600 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, different flywheel and you can't swap the flywheel because the 300D flywheel and crank are dynamically balanced together. That's what the manual says, but I changed a 617.912 that had driven an automatic to one that now drives a stick-shift. Had the machine shop surface and balance the flywheel by itself. Works fine. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Marshall Booth wrote: John Berryman wrote: On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 02:18 PM, Dave M. wrote: and I would have SWORN that all 124 diesels started in first. Kaleb? Don? Sunil? What's the deal? The Euro 124 w/2.5 diesel, owner's manual that I have mentions the 2nd gear start and I have driven US versions, they all started in 2nd. I have not driven a gas 124. I have only driven two or 3 '90s 124 diesels and I REALLY didn't notice. All of the pre 90s 124 diesels I've driven started in first (just like the Mercedes document shows http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060124/417df177/Trans_Start.pdf All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall You are correct Johnny B. The 602 non-turbo (and 601s made AFTER 3/84 - my 190D 2.2 was an early '84) starts in 2nd unless the accelerator is pressed down 40% or more. Three of my 201 have had manual transmissions so they don't count. See the chart referred to above. Only place I know that covers a LOT of transmissions in one place. The chart seems to cover everything thru '89, but I really don't have an authoritative source for information on '90 and later cars. ALL turbodiesel engines start in 1st thru '89. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi
Re: [MBZ] its BACK
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:48:23 -0600 Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A local MB Dealer owner has a 240/300D that is a blast to drive, but goes through clutches quicker than your normal tranny fluid change. Does it have a turbo engine? My naturally aspirated, stick shift 240D/3.0 works just fine. Craig
Re: [MBZ] cheap 2.3-16 amg/ 5 speed automatic?
On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 23:53:14 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You would do best to find a 300d clutch and flywheel. Be sure to mark the position of the flexplate to the crank and to TDC and get the new flywheel balanced to match, The 240D clutch is not made for the torque and HP of a 300D. This is still wrong. Craig --- Craig McCluskey Present: 1982 240D/3.0 (Euro 1984 617.912 engine, 4-speed) 221 kmi Past: 1964 190Dc 1972 220D/8 1972 220/8 1987 190E/2.3 /\ \ / ASCII RIBBON CAMPAIGN Friends don't send friends X AGAINST HTML MAIL HTML email. / \ AND POSTINGS http://www.fred.net/tds/longrange.html http://pruffle.mit.edu/~ccarter/I_do_not_use_microsoft.html
Re: [MBZ] this SDL owner is too attached....
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 18:44:00 -0500 Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Luther Gulseth wrote: So shiny and attractive, Im in love with her. Hardly tear it from my heart, but I have to. Shell give you prestigious and respectful outlook and a sexy drive pleasure. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Diesel-vs-Hybrid-no-toyota-honda-nissan-bmw-audi-volvo_W0QQitemZ4606800336QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem Then there's that salvage title Indeed, but someone has already Bought it now. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
One thing that I have noticed is that on the old cars with the tank under the trunk (107-115 inclusive) if a fuel line is cut or broken, the fuel stays in the tank. In the R107, at least, the tank is behind the rear seating area. That is, above the floor of the trunk and forward of the bulkhead. I can't speak for the coupe. Regardless, I still feel safer in a diesel vehicle. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
That was the chevy pickup truck attack. they were trying to prove that side mounted tanks in pickups were dangerous. They could not get the trucks to burn in the staged crashes, so the helped them with Estes model rocket engines. At 09:36 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: I vaguely recall a scandal around a TV documentary where they were demonstrating the difference in flamability of Diesle and gas cars by firing a rifle at the fuel tanks. Neither one exploded onr burned. They decided to light the gas tank with a model rocket engine to demonstrate their point! I still beleive that a Diesel car is less likely to burn than a gas car though -- On 1/24/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that gasoline caused most vehicle fires, but I have seen a lot of semi tractors that burned. The only difference is that diesel needs a wick or it needs to be heated enough to vaporize. Gasoline evaporates easily at air temps. Since diesel has more BTUs per gallon, it will burn longer or hotter once lit. Metal scraping on pavement provides enough heat and sparks to light even diesel in some conditions. Even a 240D (or 190Dc auto) can create a pool of fuel and a stream of sparks. The local independent shop has the remains of an SD that caught fire while driving down the interstate. I would have believed that to be impossible until I saw it. The fire does not appear to have started at the alternator or battery. It appears to have burned longer/hotter on the left side (where the fuel is) of the engine compartment. It got hot enough that the valve cover melted. I can't find an explanation of the cause of the fire. I can only surmise a combination of oil leaks, fuel leaks and a seriously overheated/sparking electrical component (CC fuse maybe) One thing that I have noticed is that on the old cars with the tank under the trunk (107-115 inclusive) if a fuel line is cut or broken, the fuel stays in the tank. In the interest of safety after the Pinto debacle, the feds made the tanks move to behind the passenger seat. On these later cars, the fuel will run out to the ground if you cut or break a fuel line in the engine compartment. If a fire did start, these tanks will feed the fire. This is independent of manufacturer. Loren -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Will 240D Manual Tranny fit up to a 300D that came with anAutomatic?
That was true on OM 621, M180 and others, I believe including some of the early 300D engines. By 81, the 616 engine has the flywheel independently balanced. I put an OM 621 flywheel on an 81 616 after grinding off the big counterweight, and balancing the flywheel What Craig is saying is right for all OM818 as far as I know, and most 617. I believe anything after 80 is safe to swap the flywheel, although it would be a good idea to check the balance of each before installing. Flywheels balanced WITH the crank have a BIG noticeable counterweight cast into them. Those you have to be extra careful to match up. At 09:44 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 17:42:26 -0600 Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, different flywheel and you can't swap the flywheel because the 300D flywheel and crank are dynamically balanced together. That's what the manual says, but I changed a 617.912 that had driven an automatic to one that now drives a stick-shift. Had the machine shop surface and balance the flywheel by itself. Works fine. Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
I have not found out what model toyota it was. I tend to believe it was one with the tank mounted behind the seat. (vertical) Those will gravity feed the fire, as I mentioned previously. In a frontal collision, it is unlikely that a rear mounted tank would have spewed enough fuel to cause this carnage, because they will not drain by gravity under most circumstances. Loren At 09:58 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: Alex Chamberlain wrote: Surely a big part of why the Toyota fire happened is just that it was a gas car? I think in this case it was caused by having an exposed fuel tank under the car. It should not, however, be the lowest part of the car. Makes me wonder what else got clobbered before the tank, assuming she was going forward at the time. I would think the front subframe, engine oil pan, passenger compartment floor pan, etc, would have hit, and hit hard, before the stone pillar got to the tank.
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
The attack was against Chevrolet, but it was really against ALL side mounted pickup tanks. This includes every manufacturer of pickups. Some used the tanks behind the seat in some models. IH and Ford come to mind, but both IH and Ford also used side mounted tanks. So did the datsun I had. I am sure Dodge, Toyota and Mazda all did at some time or another. At 10:09 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: OK Don wrote: I vaguely recall a scandal around a TV documentary where they were demonstrating the difference in flamability of Diesle and gas cars by firing a rifle at the fuel tanks. Neither one exploded onr burned. They decided to light the gas tank with a model rocket engine to demonstrate their point! I thought that was a chevy pickup they rigged to blow up in a broadside crash, to prove it was more dangerous than a ford. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] 300D/240D 4spd was: its BACK
Craig, how many miles have you driven this combo? Do you drive aggressively, or do you drive in a manner that conserves the clutch? I put 100K on my 200D and then looked at the clutch, and there was very little sign of wear. But I don't burn clutches. I have a 617 transplant that is waiting for time to do it. I plan to use the 4 spd from the 616 and the flywheel from the 240D. Did you do the conversion? At 10:06 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 21:48:23 -0600 Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A local MB Dealer owner has a 240/300D that is a blast to drive, but goes through clutches quicker than your normal tranny fluid change. Does it have a turbo engine? My naturally aspirated, stick shift 240D/3.0 works just fine. Craig ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
That sounds like something that clown, who was smashing the 911 into stuff...and diss-ing the diesel Jag, would do. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 8:36 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars I vaguely recall a scandal around a TV documentary where they were demonstrating the difference in flamability of Diesle and gas cars by firing a rifle at the fuel tanks. Neither one exploded onr burned. They decided to light the gas tank with a model rocket engine to demonstrate their point! I still beleive that a Diesel car is less likely to burn than a gas car though -- On 1/24/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I always thought that gasoline caused most vehicle fires, but I have seen a lot of semi tractors that burned. The only difference is that diesel needs a wick or it needs to be heated enough to vaporize. Gasoline evaporates easily at air temps. Since diesel has more BTUs per gallon, it will burn longer or hotter once lit. Metal scraping on pavement provides enough heat and sparks to light even diesel in some conditions. Even a 240D (or 190Dc auto) can create a pool of fuel and a stream of sparks. The local independent shop has the remains of an SD that caught fire while driving down the interstate. I would have believed that to be impossible until I saw it. The fire does not appear to have started at the alternator or battery. It appears to have burned longer/hotter on the left side (where the fuel is) of the engine compartment. It got hot enough that the valve cover melted. I can't find an explanation of the cause of the fire. I can only surmise a combination of oil leaks, fuel leaks and a seriously overheated/sparking electrical component (CC fuse maybe) One thing that I have noticed is that on the old cars with the tank under the trunk (107-115 inclusive) if a fuel line is cut or broken, the fuel stays in the tank. In the interest of safety after the Pinto debacle, the feds made the tanks move to behind the passenger seat. On these later cars, the fuel will run out to the ground if you cut or break a fuel line in the engine compartment. If a fire did start, these tanks will feed the fire. This is independent of manufacturer. Loren -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK '90 300D 243K, Rattled '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car '78 450SLC 67K, brown car '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
Yes, your are right. I didn't think that one through. I don't mess with 107s as much as you do. I too, feel safer with dissel fool. (but it does burn) At 10:25 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: One thing that I have noticed is that on the old cars with the tank under the trunk (107-115 inclusive) if a fuel line is cut or broken, the fuel stays in the tank. In the R107, at least, the tank is behind the rear seating area. That is, above the floor of the trunk and forward of the bulkhead. I can't speak for the coupe. Regardless, I still feel safer in a diesel vehicle. -- Jim ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 25 05:26:51 2006 Received: from sccmmhc91.asp.att.net ([204.127.203.211]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F1dBD-0004k7-IB for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:26:51 + Received: from lono2.leadingchange.com (12-216-11-137.client.mchsi.com[12.216.11.137]) by sccmmhc91.asp.att.net (sccmmhc91) with SMTP id 20060125052647m9100sqeq0e; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:26:48 + Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: QUALCOMM Windows Eudora Version 6.2.0.14 Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:43 -0600 To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 05:26:51 - Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Loren At 10:59 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
[MBZ] For all the Mac haters
http://www.ilovemymacthesong.com/ -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Forgot to mention that the factory specifies the interval to change your brake fluid. It is supposed to be at least each year, but I know few who do that. However is DOES need to be done. You want good brakes and good, sticky tires. We could tell the drivers with DOT 3 fluid or old fluid on the track because the fluid boiled and they lost braking ability (fade). We would pull them off the track and send them off to get their fluid changed before we'd allow them back on the track. the best policy is to never allow DOT 3 fluid near anything. Dot 4 fluid can be used in place of DOT3, and it is better. I used to put the Castrol GT in everything. At 10:59 PM 1/24/2006, you wrote: So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] 300D/240D 4spd was: its BACK
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 22:44:16 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Craig, how many miles have you driven this combo? About 40 - 45 kmi. It's actually something the factory produced, a 123.130-10-nn. Do you drive aggressively, or do you drive in a manner that conserves the clutch? I drive it like I stole it, to quote the good doctor. I do double-clutch on downshifts (something I couldn't do in our '72 220D/8 because of too slow engine response. I put 100K on my 200D and then looked at the clutch, and there was very little sign of wear. But I don't burn clutches. Our '72 220D/8 had little wear on the clutch at 180 kmi, too. I have a 617 transplant that is waiting for time to do it. I plan to use the 4 spd from the 616 and the flywheel from the 240D. Did you do the conversion? Yes, I did the conversion after the automatic transmission in our 240D died most severly while I was a graduate student in Austin, Texas. Craig
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
On Tue, 24 Jan 2006 23:26:43 -0600 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Call Rusty at (800) 741-5252 and buy what he sells (most likely ATE). Craig
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Chiming in - if brake fade is the issue, try ATE Super Blue. T Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Loren
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:38 PM, OK Don wrote: All of my 201s start in 1st (at least the way I drive them). Marshall Come to think of it my 84 2.2 started in 1st every time. The PO had the trans rebuilt and it worked great. People could be installing shift kits that force a 1st gear start. Lots of variables. I'll sum up my feelings on the issue; I don't mind them starting in 2nd as long as I have the option to get it into 1st. If you drive gently and rarely force the trans back into 1st gear= less shifting=less slipping=less heat = longer life. If you drop the hammer or drive briskly at every start a tranny that always starts in first is best for you. I adapt very easily to whatever I drive. Having been a mechanic for so long, I get a mental picture of what's going on as I drive. Then I get to do the balancing act between having fun at the wheel and trying to make the long haul unscathed. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Yep, Brake fade. From _40_ MPH? One stop? Could it be that your brakes piddled a little fluid onto the rotors instead? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Might want to take a look at your brake lines. sometimes older rubber brake lines after a HARD brake application ,can partially break down internally and start swelling on subsequent braking. usually there will be a bubbled out spot, or a soft spot in the rubber hose. ---Robert Bob Rentfro wrote: So...tonight I had an 18-wheeler pull right out in front of me. I was cooking along about 40mph or so. I was able to evade him while sliding to a stop inches from one of those 10 high curbs and several feet away from a lady in a little Saturn (who was covering her face waiting for the impact). The trucker drove on...so did I. The next few times I applied the brakes they felt like they were wet (know what I mean?). Fluid level is SAT and nothing is leaking so far as I can tell. So...like the spot on Letterman...is this anything? Bob Rentfro '77 300D 148K '01 VW Beetle TDI 61K Litchfield Park, AZ ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers?
Luther - If you are serious take a really close look first. Trunk lid rust is a typical 107 trait. That rust looks pretty advanced. Road dirt gets trapped between the outer skin and the inner structure and absorbs moisture, causing rust out. Best to just replace the trunk lid. Mine has been fixed twice and it starting to rust again. I think a new lid is about $500 then it needs painting. I couldn't tell for sure but it looks like the muffler has been removed and replaced with a section of pipe. Rear bumper cover skin is about $130 plus installation. Low mileage, wonder if the odometer has been tweaked? Did the '78s still have the cats in the engine compartment or was '77 the last year for that? Wood is in very poor shape. No mention of shape of drop top. No mention if A/C works or if servo is good. I would think that current bid is not too far off. 10K sounds really high to me. Don't know about your neck of the woods but the $15K they say it is worth is more like the price of some lesser 560 SLs here in SoCal. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers? Damn, this is a gorgeous car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4607306210ssp agename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1 -- Luther Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
Re: [MBZ] [Banned_misfits] 240D RIP
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 08:01:46PM -0800, redghost wrote: IIRC, the state AG and insurance commissioner put some pressure to behave. Along the lines of booting state farm from WA For strangely OT, State Farm is still the biggest customer of MPEiX, HP's proprietary OS that they've been trying to shut down for years. K
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
On Tue, Jan 24, 2006 at 11:21:12PM -0800, Jim Cathey wrote: Yep, Brake fade. From _40_ MPH? One stop? Could it be that your brakes piddled a little fluid onto the rotors instead? That's my guess, having done a panic stop in the same vehicle (but one year newer) yesterday. Leaky caliper bore perhaps? My DRUM braked cars didn't fade trying to panic stop from 40. 55 was an entirely different story... K
Re: [MBZ] 240D RIP
I'm going to bet you get paid NADA classics high retail plus taxes tags, titling fees. I had a similar case recently: Just before thanksgiving i was rear-ended at about 30 or so by a monte carlo... 1984 300sd, 197kmi (man was I pissed, I wanted to watch it roll 200k!) Both drivers were SF drivers My adjuster noted the shape the car was in (There was hidden rust between the frame rail, trunk pan and quarter on the left rear side, so the three went separate ways) and decided it wouldn't be high retail because of the hidden rust so he split the difference between high retail and average retail. They ended up paying me $8249.75 for the car (Damages were $6k). I had no medical issues (A back spasm that could be from the impact or could have been from standing in sub30 degree weather for half an hour) Mine was hit hard enough to shorten the trunk internally (broke the spare tire cover, and the tire was going to need to be deflated to come out), as well as pop the sunroof, and close the rear door gaps. (You could see on the pain where the metal had moved around the rear window, and the paint was chipped at the back of the RR door (from contact). Anyhow I ended up with the previously mentioned 1999 E300TD with a few minor issues that I've resolved, total cost $18650 including repairs (excluding tax, etc) It's not the old one, but its got character of its own and is pretty nice. I'm crossing my fingers for you, and am really glad to hear that Jen is OK. If she is safe, then the Benz did one of its MOST important jobs--keeping the occupants safe in a collision! Make sure that Jen feels that safe with ANY solution that you choose, and everything will be OK. The car can be fixed or replaced. -j.
[MBZ] Splinter motors
The Sprinter is coming with two new diesel motors next year. One is reportedly a 4 banger. Anybody got the power and economy ratings? I will probably buy one and would consider the smaller motor if it's not too anemic. Also, can you spec one as a stick here in the US? Rgds, Karl in DC Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The VIN will match the VIN on the registration. There will be no further questions, Especially if while handing the copper your registration, you also point out the VIN so he can verify the match. YOu won't even have to talk about putting a MB grill in a Dogde At 04:18 PM 1/20/2006, you wrote: yeah, the VIN and the make on the title will match up. Brilliant! Chris Loren Faeth wrote: But if he has half a brain, he will check the VIN, and it will show it as a Dodge, regardless of the door or the grille. A state trooper should be even bright enough to figure out that Dodge is a product of Daimler chrysler. At 03:37 PM 1/20/2006, you wrote: I agree, but an odd Dodge that's made completely by MB in Dusseldorf with Dodge do-dads popped on just before it goes on the boat. I do think it might cause a problem if pulled over, if you replace the do-dads with the orignal MB ones. The cop pulls up that you have a Dodge Sprinter and you clearly have a Mercedes Sprinter...he checks the plate on the door and it says Daimler-Chrysler, not Dodge. Chris Marshall Booth wrote: Christopher McCann wrote: So does a Sprinter get registered as a Dodge, Freightliner or Merc? What if all the Dodge do-dads are gone and replaced with stars? (kit's about $250, grille, badges, wheel caps, steering wheel emblem, everything) It all depends on the VIN and what the vehicle was called when it was originally sold - what's been replaced is immaterial. You can put all the 3 pointed stars you want on a Dodge and it's still a Dodge. Marshall -- Marshall Booth (who doesn't respond to unsigned questions) der Dieseling Doktor [EMAIL PROTECTED] '87 300TD 182Kmi, '84 190D 2.2 229Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotk�ppchen -1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Pr�fenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - What are the most popular cars? Find out at Yahoo! Autos ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net Christopher McCann, Squier Park, Kansas City, Missouri -2005 Blue Point Siamese, Rose -1992 Volkswagen Golf, diesel, 185K km, Nanook -1987 300TD, 151K, Rotk�ppchen -1985 300SD, 211K, Wulf -1976 240D, ?K, AKP-Wagen (Alternativen Kraftstoffs Pr�fenlastwagen) -1972 Jacobsen 21 Turbo Vent -1971 Case 222 Hydrive, 12HP Kohler, 38 deck, Snowcaster, One Banger - Yahoo! Photos Got holiday prints? See all the ways to get quality prints in your hands ASAP. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. - Do you Yahoo!? With a free 1 GB, there's more in store with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 25 11:27:58 2006 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.204]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F1iof-0001jU-Uz for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 25 Jan 2006
Re: [MBZ] New S
On 1/24/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw one today and laughed and laughed! A Dodge 500. It looked just like an Aries with a vinyl roof. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo It *was* an Aries with a Vinyl roof, and if memory serves there was not a Dodge 500 (unless you count the Daytona 500) there was a Dodge 400, a Dodge 600 and a Dodge 600ES. The 400 and 600 were called Super K cars and the 600ES was a slightly longer wheelbase, though I'm not sure if it was still a K or considered something else internally. Interestingly enough, the K platform also had the Chrysler Lebaron, which was a match to the 400 and later the 600, and the Chrysler Executive Sedan and Executive Limo. Stretched K cars. From the factory no less talk about a really odd thing to see on the street. (and I've seen a couple). The Limo still had the base 4 cyl engine in it. Bet diplomats were lined up `round the block at the local NY Chrysler dealer to trade in their Benz 600's -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil.
[MBZ] W201 flywheel interchange
I was looking at a clutch catalog recently, it seems the diesel and 2.3-8v used a 8.5 clutch, while the 2.3-16v and 2.6 used a 9 clutch. Will the 9 clutch work on a diesel flywheel? Will a 2.6 flywheel fit on the 2.5 diesel? (crank bolts and ring gear the same?) The reason for asking is I need to mate a 2.5 turbo engine to a 2.3-16v manny tranny, and the 16v engine will become useless if I use the 16v flywheel on the diesel. I'm aiming for 300ft-lb from the diesel, so the bigger the better with the clutch. Mitch
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Loren Faeth wrote: 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. Last I knew you could still get it from Meijer supermarkets in the midwest, I haven't looked to see if Walmart has it. It's decent DOT4 fluid, I quit buying it because I have a general boycott of products that say Castrol on the bottle since they started the whole business of selling hydrotreated oil as full synthetic. There are lots of ways to go, I buy Valvoline synthetic because it's cheap, and alternate it with ATE Superblue from Rusty because Superblue doesn't look like last year's Valvoline and I easily can tell when my change/flush is complete.
Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
Well said Loren,
If you ever have time and want to confirm your comments, take a walk thru a
auto recycler that has lots of MBs in his yard and check out the damaged
MBs. By its nature all the MBs will have been totalled but take a look at
the passenger compartments and you'll be amazed at how the vast majority
have virtually undamaged passenger compartments! Most have door which open
and close easily. In the times I've done this I have only seen *one* MB
where the drivers/passengers may have been killed. Looked like another can
hit the MB's roof while airborne.
Kaleb probably has some experience seeing this kind of thing --
As you know, they're incredibly safe cars and MB probably sells more than a
few cars to people who have recently been in an accident and want their next
car to be safer.
Sincerely,
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 6:09 PM
Subject: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
Today we learned that a HS friend of my daughter was burned beyond any
recognition after her 2005 Toyota hit a rock pillar at the entrance to a
park and then burned. It took them almost a week to find out who it
was. There was not enough of the vehicle left to get a VIN from, and the
aluminum license plates melted away. The fire was fueled not only by
gasoline, but by all the plastic inside and outside the vehicle.
This is a sickening event, and one that is unlikely in our well designed
solid old cars. Many of us have been involved in accidents in our
Mercedes
and walked away. My daughter was T boned in her SL 2 years ago, and
walked
away. It was the kind of accident that had reportedly caused many lesser
vehicles to burn.
Each member of my family has been hit in their Mercedes in the past 4
years. Each has walked or driven away. Fortunately, my last run-in was
23
years ago when the Pinto pulled out into my ol rusty trusty winter 190Dc
and was wiped out.
I believe my SDL may be the safest car on the road, if there is such a
thing with all the idiots they let drive now.
Drive safe. Friends don't let friends drive Toyotas, , _,
Or __! You fill in the blanks.
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Re: [MBZ] Starting in Second
Marshall wrote: In the early '90s Mercedes saw the error of their ways and allowed the gas transmissions to start in 1st. Cars built a year or two before 1st gear starts became standard COULD be converted (it was NOT a cheap conversion - required that the valve body be removed and some pieces replaced) but cars with transmissions build before that (about '89 and earlier I think) can't be converted (you'd need a completely replace the valve body). When I said my car started in second, I said that because I thought that was the case with all these cars. I don't know that mine starts in second, I only know that it is pretty slow from a standstill. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 123K
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
you wrote:US model diesels start in first
My 78 240D US diesel always starts in 2nd unless I floor it to engage the
passing gear button. Or manually pull it into 1st with the gearshift lever.
The owners manuals states this is the case - so it;s not a malfunction -
Sincerely,
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only
exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned
start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st.
For further clarification, check your specific owners manual.
On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is
why they are little slow off the line.
I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model.
A few questions? Why did
Mercedes do this?
To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel
economy.
If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st?
Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down.
Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too?
Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and
some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware
of.
I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth.
Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] Why we drive old Mercedes Benz Cars
I asked Jeff about that car just a few days ago. He thought that maybe it was brake fluid rather than #2 that got the fire going initially. On 1/24/06, Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: IThe local independent shop has the remains of an SD that caught fire while driving down the interstate. I would have believed that to be impossible until I saw it. The fire does not appear to have started at the alternator or battery. -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
[MBZ] Muffler
I went to my local indy, Autohaus Stuttgart and got my first oil change on the new car. (1990 300SEL) I asked him to really look it over. He couldn't find anything wrong with it, except he said I will need a new muffler soon. I couldn't hear it at all, but he said he thought it was a little loud and it looked like it was rusting through. Here's my question: Do I need a factory muffler. I try to use only factory parts, but is that necessary for a muffler? I guess it is hard to beat the factory muffler lasting 16 years, but what is a good source for a new muffler. According to my indy, the rest of the exhaust is fine. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL
Re: [MBZ] another cheap SDL
That one went for about $1800 last time http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-TURBO-DIESEL-1987-MERCE DES-300SDL-DONATED-NO-RESERVE_W0QQitemZ4607573647QQcategoryZ6330QQrdZ1QQcmdZVie wItem -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net -- Luther Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
At 07:46 AM 1/25/2006, Mitch Haley wrote re. DOT 4 brake fluid: There are lots of ways to go, I buy Valvoline synthetic because it's cheap, and alternate it with ATE Superblue from Rusty because Superblue doesn't look like last year's Valvoline and I easily can tell when my change/flush is complete. I used to use Castrol GT but started using the Valvoline synthetic because Marshall said good things about it. I now have it in most of my vehicles and in two situations it has solved long term sticky caliper problems. First in an 87 Polaris fourwheeler that has one brake only, the caliper of which was sticking despite efforts taking it apart and shinning things up with crocus cloth. Same thing on the front calipers of an 87 Ford 700. Good stuff. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV I'm nobody! Who are you? Are you - Nobody - Too?
Re: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers?
75-76 had the cats in the engine compartment Barry Stark wrote: Luther - If you are serious take a really close look first. Trunk lid rust is a typical 107 trait. That rust looks pretty advanced. Road dirt gets trapped between the outer skin and the inner structure and absorbs moisture, causing rust out. Best to just replace the trunk lid. Mine has been fixed twice and it starting to rust again. I think a new lid is about $500 then it needs painting. I couldn't tell for sure but it looks like the muffler has been removed and replaced with a section of pipe. Rear bumper cover skin is about $130 plus installation. Low mileage, wonder if the odometer has been tweaked? Did the '78s still have the cats in the engine compartment or was '77 the last year for that? Wood is in very poor shape. No mention of shape of drop top. No mention if A/C works or if servo is good. I would think that current bid is not too far off. 10K sounds really high to me. Don't know about your neck of the woods but the $15K they say it is worth is more like the price of some lesser 560 SLs here in SoCal. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers? Damn, this is a gorgeous car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4607306210ssp agename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1 -- Luther Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New S
ahhh the K cars, and who could forget the nice 2.2 turbo motors some of them had. Ed Booher wrote: On 1/24/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw one today and laughed and laughed! A Dodge 500. It looked just like an Aries with a vinyl roof. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo It *was* an Aries with a Vinyl roof, and if memory serves there was not a Dodge 500 (unless you count the Daytona 500) there was a Dodge 400, a Dodge 600 and a Dodge 600ES. The 400 and 600 were called Super K cars and the 600ES was a slightly longer wheelbase, though I'm not sure if it was still a K or considered something else internally. Interestingly enough, the K platform also had the Chrysler Lebaron, which was a match to the 400 and later the 600, and the Chrysler Executive Sedan and Executive Limo. Stretched K cars. From the factory no less talk about a really odd thing to see on the street. (and I've seen a couple). The Limo still had the base 4 cyl engine in it. Bet diplomats were lined up `round the block at the local NY Chrysler dealer to trade in their Benz 600's -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] New S
You mean the ones that were nice for power, but not so nice for staying crack-free and running? Levi (: On 1/25/06, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ahhh the K cars, and who could forget the nice 2.2 turbo motors some of them had. Ed Booher wrote: On 1/24/06, Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I saw one today and laughed and laughed! A Dodge 500. It looked just like an Aries with a vinyl roof. Alex Chamberlain '87 300D Turbo It *was* an Aries with a Vinyl roof, and if memory serves there was not a Dodge 500 (unless you count the Daytona 500) there was a Dodge 400, a Dodge 600 and a Dodge 600ES. The 400 and 600 were called Super K cars and the 600ES was a slightly longer wheelbase, though I'm not sure if it was still a K or considered something else internally. Interestingly enough, the K platform also had the Chrysler Lebaron, which was a match to the 400 and later the 600, and the Chrysler Executive Sedan and Executive Limo. Stretched K cars. From the factory no less talk about a really odd thing to see on the street. (and I've seen a couple). The Limo still had the base 4 cyl engine in it. Bet diplomats were lined up `round the block at the local NY Chrysler dealer to trade in their Benz 600's -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
Yes,
All the non-turbo's I have start in second, as does my 1989 300CE as does my
1987 420SEL. The turbo's 300 CD, D SD I have all start in first gear and
they have to climb out of the driveway when cold, when hot (normal operating
temperature) climbing the drive in second is no problem. I did read in my
operator's manual for the 300CE second gear starts were due to emissions.
Dennis T
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
you wrote:US model diesels start in first
My 78 240D US diesel always starts in 2nd unless I floor it to engage the
passing gear button. Or manually pull it into 1st with the gearshift lever.
The owners manuals states this is the case - so it;s not a malfunction -
Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 78 240D)
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From: Desert Rat [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 12:26 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Starting in second
US model diesels start in first, gas models start out in 2nd. Only
exception is my 85 380SL. All of the many gas W126 models I have owned
start out in 2nd and the W126 diesels started out in 1st.
For further clarification, check your specific owners manual.
On 1/24/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On Tuesday, January 24, 2006, at 10:26 AM, Donald Snook wrote:
From what I understand, the gasser 126's start in 2nd gear and this is
why they are little slow off the line.
I don't believe this to be the case for that particular model.
A few questions? Why did
Mercedes do this?
To keep wheels for spinning on slippery surfaces and for fuel
economy.
If it starts in 2nd then does it ever go into 1st?
Yes, when you mash the throttle it will drop down.
Is there a way to change this? Is there a reason not too?
Yours should start in 1st gear. This feature was used in 240Ds and
some 201 190Ds, 124s and probably some other models that I'm not aware
of.
I have a Euro 124 owners manual that describes this in depth.
Johnny B.
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Re: [MBZ] New S
I've blown one of them upor wait, maybe it was a 2.5.that was my first car, and we hauled it off to the junkyard. ahhh the K cars, and who could forget the nice 2.2 turbo motors some of them had. -- Luther Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
Re: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers?
Luther, I too believe that to be expensive. I have a 1979 450SL that I'm planning to sell it does need a bit of TLC and I'm not going to expect half of that price. Dennis T -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Barry Stark Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 11:55 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers? Luther - If you are serious take a really close look first. Trunk lid rust is a typical 107 trait. That rust looks pretty advanced. Road dirt gets trapped between the outer skin and the inner structure and absorbs moisture, causing rust out. Best to just replace the trunk lid. Mine has been fixed twice and it starting to rust again. I think a new lid is about $500 then it needs painting. I couldn't tell for sure but it looks like the muffler has been removed and replaced with a section of pipe. Rear bumper cover skin is about $130 plus installation. Low mileage, wonder if the odometer has been tweaked? Did the '78s still have the cats in the engine compartment or was '77 the last year for that? Wood is in very poor shape. No mention of shape of drop top. No mention if A/C works or if servo is good. I would think that current bid is not too far off. 10K sounds really high to me. Don't know about your neck of the woods but the $15K they say it is worth is more like the price of some lesser 560 SLs here in SoCal. Barry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Luther Gulseth Sent: Tuesday, January 24, 2006 10:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers? Damn, this is a gorgeous car. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=4607306210ssp agename=ADME%3AB%3ASS%3AUS%3A1 -- Luther Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.375 / Virus Database: 267.14.22/238 - Release Date: 1/23/2006
Re: [MBZ] New S
I don't know that much either. My uncle had a Shelby Shadow with a turbo engine. Now, that hardly seemed related to the K cars. Very fast and fun. However, the parts were expensive and it cracked the head at least once if not a couple times, and I'd heard that one mechanic said that he'd yet to see one of the turbo motors that DIDN'T come in cracked... That said, I've seen something I thought was rather cool, which is one of the minivans that came with one of those motors and the boost was turned up and such and he was quite competitive in drag racing with it against some fast cars. (: Levi On 1/25/06, Luther Gulseth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've blown one of them upor wait, maybe it was a 2.5.that was my first car, and we hauled it off to the junkyard. ahhh the K cars, and who could forget the nice 2.2 turbo motors some of them had. -- Luther Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- It isn't what you have, or who you are, or where you are, or what you are doing that makes you happy or unhappy. It is what you think about. -Dale Carnegie
[MBZ] Shes about to blow captain
-- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MVC-026S.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42060 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060125/8a0145b6/MVC-026S.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MVC-027S.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42085 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060125/8a0145b6/MVC-027S.jpg
Re: [MBZ] Muffler
Buy one from Rusty. Don't go to a muffler shop unless they will install the one you buy from Rusty or can furnish OEM exact replacement. You will be lots of $$ ahead in the long run. Otherwise, get a used one from a junkyard. At 08:14 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote: I went to my local indy, Autohaus Stuttgart and got my first oil change on the new car. (1990 300SEL) I asked him to really look it over. He couldn't find anything wrong with it, except he said I will need a new muffler soon. I couldn't hear it at all, but he said he thought it was a little loud and it looked like it was rusting through. Here's my question: Do I need a factory muffler. I try to use only factory parts, but is that necessary for a muffler? I guess it is hard to beat the factory muffler lasting 16 years, but what is a good source for a new muffler. According to my indy, the rest of the exhaust is fine. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Muffler
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 09:14 AM, Donald Snook wrote: but what is a good source for a new muffler. Rusty, a good source for just about anything you need. He may carry Borla and Eberspar. I always add some paint to new exhaust parts. Hoping to extend their life. A lot of diesels rot the muffler at the top for some reason. Not sure why but I have observed this many times. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Shes about to blow captain
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 10:37 AM, Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/ 20060125/8a0145b6/MVC-026S.jpg Yup. I had one real bad tire on my 190D. I was running between Stuart Fl and the far reaches of Palm Beach County daily. I could feel the cupping and ply separation with my hand and while driving. It got worse daily. Finally on a real rainy day, when I couldn't get much work done, I had them all replaced. Although I was anxious at best about the impending failure, I still found myself keeping up with traffic (80-90mph). At 75mph the car really shuddered. I have new Bridgestones and now drive as if I don't have a care in the world. I believe the tire went bad due to sitting in a puddle of trans fluid and diesel fuel for a long time. The type of damage in Klebbies picture often comes from bashing through deep pot holes. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
[MBZ] The Un-explaned (Hirschman antenna) - Jim?
A while ago I installed a new radio in my '82 (cheap Sony AM/FM/CD). Everything, including the fader mod worked fine, except it would not remember it's setting. Found out that I reversed the switched and constant power leads. I corrected this and now the antenna would not extend. I checked for remote antenna power from the radio at the connector in the trunk - constant 12V at pin #1and 12V at #2 with radio on. I thought I fried the motor, even though it worked fine with the radio hooked up incorrectly and took the antenna apart. Motor checked good, limit switches looked fine but the relay would not energize. Checked the capacitors and one showed continuity. Checked it again and suddenly this capacitor tested good, the relay worked and all is working now as it should (Auto, Max, Off, up, down). What did I fix? Jim may be able to explain this miracle. -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explaned (Hirschman antenna) - Jim?
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: Checked the capacitors and one showed continuity. Checked it again and suddenly this capacitor tested good, the relay worked and all is working now as it should (Auto, Max, Off, up, down). What did I fix? Jim may be able to explain this miracle. I recently had a similar experience, My Hirschmann wasn't working got a used one from bone yard for $10 different wiring pin-out and circuit board. The belt was shot. reassembled it and it worked for a few days then failed. I took it apart and cleaned corrosion off the circuit board and it worked fine again. It now does nothing. Where can one get parts ie: the pc board for a Hirschmann antenna? I may be able to repair mine if I had some schematics to work with. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] I need a $10,000 loan for a '78 450SL, any takers?
I too believe that to be expensive. I have a 1979 450SL that I'm planning to sell it does need a bit of TLC and I'm not going to expect half of that price. Our '76 is also much less than that one. But Luthur's hell-bent on owning a '78, nothing else, which cuts his supply down to about 1/20 of what's out there. With patience I'm sure he'll find one. If you are serious take a really close look first. Trunk lid rust is a typical 107 trait. That rust looks pretty advanced. Road dirt gets trapped between the outer skin and the inner structure and absorbs moisture, causing rust out. Best to just replace the trunk lid. Mine has been fixed twice and it starting to rust again. I think a new lid is about $500 then it needs painting. I couldn't tell for sure but it looks like the muffler has been That's the worst feature of ours. Every time I looked into getting it fixed it was just too expensive compared to what you'd get. I always figured I'd just wait until it was time to paint the entire car before I'd address the problem. It hasn't gotten any worse on our watch so far as I can tell. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explained (Hirschmann antenna) - Jim?
What did I fix? Jim may be able to explain this miracle. Healing hands. Ever thought about a career in evangelism? Probably you had a bad connection and mucking about with it disturbed it into working. With luck it's gone for good, but if not you have a really good place to start looking next time. An '82 ought to be capacitor-free, IIRC. Just a relay, a cam, and a bunch of switch contacts in addition to the motor. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explained (Hirschmann antenna) - Jim?
I recently had a similar experience, My Hirschmann wasn't working got a used one from bone yard for $10 different wiring pin-out and circuit board. The belt was shot. reassembled it and it worked for a few days then failed. I took it apart and cleaned corrosion off the circuit board and it worked fine again. It now does nothing. Where can one get parts ie: the pc board for a Hirschmann antenna? You already found where to get parts: the boneyard! The switch to the dash is wired differently in the belt-and-circuit-board unit. Did you address this? Becker NA _used_ to repair Hirschmanns, and I even once sweet-talked them out of a cam for one of mine, but I think that was only because they decided to get out of the business and thus didn't mind losing a spare part to me. Unless Walter Odemars is still there and will sell parts, used ones (and ingenuity) are your only option. I may be able to repair mine if I had some schematics to work with. Never having had to work on one of these '86+ units I'm unfamiliar with the guts. (So far all of ours still work.) But I'd think that the circuit would be fairly simple, and that component-level testing (once solder joints had been renewed) would find the problem if one were inclined to try to repair the thing. Solder joints is the first place I'd start in older automotive electronics, provided there was no obvious smoking crater. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Electrical Headrest Removal
Easier said than done. I've been wanting to put seat covers on my 124 too. I know where the secret button is and have pushed it and tugged at the headrests until I thought I was going to give myself a stroke, but to no avail. Is there some trick that I'm missing? The button, such as it is, is _really_ hard to push enough. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explained (Hirschmann antenna) - Jim?
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 12:01 PM, Jim Cathey wrote: You already found where to get parts: the boneyard! The switch to the dash is wired differently in the belt-and-circuit-board unit. Did you address this? That's the problem. I'm not heading to Yarrup anytime soon. I didn't try to hook up the US cicuit board, it has twice the electrical connections. I considered just taking the motor out and making it a manual antenna. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Hi all, I hate to pick nits, but I wanted to clarify something. IMO, brake fade refers specifically to overheated brakes - usually exceeding the temperature rating of the pad compound, resulting in a lack of friction, and therefore stopping power. This can also include rotors that are too small to dissipate the heat generated - that's why high-performance cars have huge brake rotors. This excess heat can cause the brake fluid to boil, and when that happens, you get a spongy pedal, etc and the fluid should be replaced pronto (it doesn't go back to normal when it cools). So while brake fade can cause the fluid to boil, the fluid doesn't fail and *cause* brake fade - but the symptoms could be easily confused. Definitely check the hoses, pads, rotors, and replace the fluid if over 2 years old. Normally all of this is related to REPEATED hard brake use - think racetrack or autocross, where every 10-30 seconds you're standing on the brakes from fairly high speeds. The best brake fluid in the world won't do any good if the brakes are too small, or you have a street pad compound that fades at low temps. What was originally described *could* have been fade, but sure shouldn't be after one hard stop from 40-0!! It could have glazed the pads/rotors or something perhaps. But it definitely would not affect the brake fluid unless the reservoir was accidentally filled with Zerex G-05 or something, lol. About pads... most OE/OEM pads are designed for light pedal effort and low noise. Pads that claim to be low-dust may require more pedal effort and/or be noisier. Race pads that can withstand really high temps (much more fade resistant) are usually high-effort, noisy, and dirty - or REALLY expensive! I have Porterfield R4-S carbon-Kevlar pads, which have great feel, are quiet, last a long time, and are fairly low dust but most people would choke at the cost (at least double what most OEM pads cost). I'm a big fan of the R4-S pads, btw... they're available for most Mercedes. So far most people who have tried them love them. Cheapest to buy direct from the mfr... www.porterfield-brakes.com. Fluid: I did a ton of research on this in the past, to find what fluids have the highest boil points. The summary is, the best stuff at the best price that's available everywhere is Valvoline SynPower brake fluid, about $6/quart at any FLAPS. The next step up for the picky folks is ATE Super Blue or ATE Type200 Gold (same stuff, different color dye), but it costs twice as much ($10-$12 per quart). Beyond that, Motul 600 has even higher boil points, but the cost doubles again - $20-$25 per quart. Those are the three top street fluids, IMNSHO. There are more exotic fluids out there, but in general they need frequent replacement (think weeks or months, not years) and the cost gets just stupid. Those are strictly for racetrack use, if the ATE or Motul fluids are boiling (!!!) and the pads/rotors are still within their rated temp range. Sorry for the long rant... now back to your daily moose and Mobil-1. :-) Dave M. Boise, ID (Valvoline or ATE brake fluids in all my vehicles) -- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:40:08 -0800 From: Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes Chiming in - if brake fade is the issue, try ATE Super Blue. T Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Loren
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Good points and good info, Dave! Thanks! At 11:13 AM 1/25/2006, you wrote: Hi all, I hate to pick nits, but I wanted to clarify something. IMO, brake fade refers specifically to overheated brakes - usually exceeding the temperature rating of the pad compound, resulting in a lack of friction, and therefore stopping power. This can also include rotors that are too small to dissipate the heat generated - that's why high-performance cars have huge brake rotors. This excess heat can cause the brake fluid to boil, and when that happens, you get a spongy pedal, etc and the fluid should be replaced pronto (it doesn't go back to normal when it cools). So while brake fade can cause the fluid to boil, the fluid doesn't fail and *cause* brake fade - but the symptoms could be easily confused. Definitely check the hoses, pads, rotors, and replace the fluid if over 2 years old. Normally all of this is related to REPEATED hard brake use - think racetrack or autocross, where every 10-30 seconds you're standing on the brakes from fairly high speeds. The best brake fluid in the world won't do any good if the brakes are too small, or you have a street pad compound that fades at low temps. What was originally described *could* have been fade, but sure shouldn't be after one hard stop from 40-0!! It could have glazed the pads/rotors or something perhaps. But it definitely would not affect the brake fluid unless the reservoir was accidentally filled with Zerex G-05 or something, lol. About pads... most OE/OEM pads are designed for light pedal effort and low noise. Pads that claim to be low-dust may require more pedal effort and/or be noisier. Race pads that can withstand really high temps (much more fade resistant) are usually high-effort, noisy, and dirty - or REALLY expensive! I have Porterfield R4-S carbon-Kevlar pads, which have great feel, are quiet, last a long time, and are fairly low dust but most people would choke at the cost (at least double what most OEM pads cost). I'm a big fan of the R4-S pads, btw... they're available for most Mercedes. So far most people who have tried them love them. Cheapest to buy direct from the mfr... www.porterfield-brakes.com. Fluid: I did a ton of research on this in the past, to find what fluids have the highest boil points. The summary is, the best stuff at the best price that's available everywhere is Valvoline SynPower brake fluid, about $6/quart at any FLAPS. The next step up for the picky folks is ATE Super Blue or ATE Type200 Gold (same stuff, different color dye), but it costs twice as much ($10-$12 per quart). Beyond that, Motul 600 has even higher boil points, but the cost doubles again - $20-$25 per quart. Those are the three top street fluids, IMNSHO. There are more exotic fluids out there, but in general they need frequent replacement (think weeks or months, not years) and the cost gets just stupid. Those are strictly for racetrack use, if the ATE or Motul fluids are boiling (!!!) and the pads/rotors are still within their rated temp range. Sorry for the long rant... now back to your daily moose and Mobil-1. :-) Dave M. Boise, ID (Valvoline or ATE brake fluids in all my vehicles) -- Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 21:40:08 -0800 From: Tim C [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes Chiming in - if brake fade is the issue, try ATE Super Blue. T Yep, Brake fade. When I did tech inspections at Gemutlichkeit we could tell who had DOT 3 or old fluid, and who didn't. The solution is to flush and change the fluid. Fresh brake fluid (from the approved list) has a higher boiling point, and won't fade as easily. YOU WANT brakes that don't fade. 20 years ago Castrol GT Brake fluid was the way to go, but it has fallen from favor and availability. I am sure others will chime in on what is currently available and meets the spec. Loren ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explaned (Hirschman antenna) - Jim?
Attachement didn't work, but try this: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hneureiter/detail?.dir=2ea5.dnm=bb1dscd.jpg.src=ph On 1/25/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: Checked the capacitors and one showed continuity. Checked it again and suddenly this capacitor tested good, the relay worked and all is working now as it should (Auto, Max, Off, up, down). What did I fix? Jim may be able to explain this miracle. I recently had a similar experience, My Hirschmann wasn't working got a used one from bone yard for $10 different wiring pin-out and circuit board. The belt was shot. reassembled it and it worked for a few days then failed. I took it apart and cleaned corrosion off the circuit board and it worked fine again. It now does nothing. Where can one get parts ie: the pc board for a Hirschmann antenna? I may be able to repair mine if I had some schematics to work with. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explained (Hirschmann antenna) - Jim?
On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 12:10 PM, John Berryman wrote: You already found where to get parts: the boneyard! The switch to the dash is wired differently in the belt-and-circuit-board unit. Did you address this? That's the problem. I'm not heading to Yarrup anytime soon. I didn't try to hook up the US cicuit board, it has twice the electrical connections. I considered just taking the motor out and making it a manual antenna. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am _ I just went to Hirschmann's web site and sent an e-mail inquiring about parts availability. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
I tried to find DOT-4 for the VW in Jefferson and at the Carroll WalMart. Not to be found. Where can I get it? Do I need to look for some specific brand? -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explained (Hirschmann antenna) - Jim?
Attachement didn't work, but try this: http://pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/hneureiter/ detail?.dir=2ea5.dnm=bb1dscd.jpg.src=ph That's the schematic for the non-electronic one found after 76 and before 86. Cam and switches. The one with the belt and the (for-real) circuit board is much different, as is the dash switch that goes with it. I think it's the ETM that has schematics (car) that show the harness differences. It's minor, something like one extra connection in the switch. I considered just taking the motor out and making it a manual antenna. Don't do that. Our '76 SL had a manual (switch-operated) antenna. What a PITA. Non-motorized is totally un-Benz-like. That antenna ended up in the Ebola Fishtank (250C hardtop convertible), and one of the cam-operated ones got retrofitted to the SL. Lots of work, that. To fix yours will be at most the same amount of effort as to cripple it back to manual only. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] New S
I met a guy the other day who was all jazz'd about having a Catera (the Caddy that zigs). He was telling me about how he got it cheap with low miles because the previous owner couldn't stand the sound of piston slap... The guy was saying that he didnt care about a little noise at cold start and that Caddy's are quality vehicles. While we were standing there listening to the car with the drivers door open the whole door panel fell off. I just walked away... -Curt Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 13:23:56 -0500 From: Ed Booher [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] New S To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On 1/24/06, George Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of good laugh Remember when ford badged that car as a Lincoln Versailles? How about the Cadillac Cimarron? -- Knowledge is power... Power Corrupts. Study hard... Be Evil. - Bring words and photos together (easily) with PhotoMail - it's free and works with Yahoo! Mail. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wed Jan 25 18:08:03 2006 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.204]) by server5.arterytc5.net with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1F1p3r-0001m4-H3 for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:08:03 + Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i34so166462wra for [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:08:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=oPbrOeDfEHsyQCc5PCsgXosBC4PoBBW9UZMnwCenEnGnTwWr/Q2qiQZwM9offXIFTRSXTZPGFeMjHY04Pqh+DzXDroS/P1skAdwrzC1PmOpEUm6yAp4VVwVohQ/Bf4yAGm3GLyTzc4Lh0k98Gl8J+y9MhGr/b70rte44Hxh2GOM= Received: by 10.65.180.1 with SMTP id h1mr504331qbp; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:08:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.242.19 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Jan 2006 10:08:00 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:08:00 -0700 From: Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes X-BeenThere: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.6 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List [EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_striplin.net.striplin.net List-Unsubscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net List-Post: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 18:08:03 - Look for Valvoline SynPower fluid, which is a DOT 4+ fluid. Should be at almost all chain part stores - think AutoZone, Kragen/Shucks/Checker, NAPA, etc... BTW - nice VeeDub you have there! Wouldn't mind replacing my Dasher with one of those! :) +dm -- Date: Wed, 25 Jan 2006 11:46:53 -0600 From: LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes I tried to find DOT-4 for the VW in Jefferson and at the Carroll WalMart. Not to be found. Where can I get it? Do I need to look for some specific brand? -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed
[MBZ] cheap '81 300CD
nice interior and low mileage. http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=8032872568 -- Luther Alma, Ark '83 300SD (230,xxx kmi) '82 300CD (158,222 kmi) '90 300E '82 300D (parts or run?)
Re: [MBZ] The Un-explaned (Hirschman antenna) - Jim?
Don't know the value for the resistor, but this may help: On 1/25/06, John Berryman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wednesday, January 25, 2006, at 11:41 AM, Hans Neureiter wrote: Checked the capacitors and one showed continuity. Checked it again and suddenly this capacitor tested good, the relay worked and all is working now as it should (Auto, Max, Off, up, down). What did I fix? Jim may be able to explain this miracle. I recently had a similar experience, My Hirschmann wasn't working got a used one from bone yard for $10 different wiring pin-out and circuit board. The belt was shot. reassembled it and it worked for a few days then failed. I took it apart and cleaned corrosion off the circuit board and it worked fine again. It now does nothing. Where can one get parts ie: the pc board for a Hirschmann antenna? I may be able to repair mine if I had some schematics to work with. Johnny B. I Mac Therefore I am ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: antenna.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 192881 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060= 125/af3021d2/antenna.jpg
[MBZ] CD-ROM service manual missing information!
Hi all, I have printed service manuals, the CD-ROM, and also the WIS. I was looking up and printing out information for my W124 sunroof repair. I've found that sometimes the CD WIS have newer info than the older printed manuals, which is why I was checking. Anyway, I discovered something very disappointing. The CD-ROM is missing information in some jobs. Two examples - one minor, one MAJOR: Job 77-050, removal of sunroof lining panel. In the printed manual, and WIS, there are 10 steps and 3 photos. In the CD-ROM, the last step - and photo - are left out. It's not a big deal in this case, but it made me look closer at all the others. Job 77-100, removal of sunroof lid/cover. In the printed manual and WIS, there are 10 steps and 5 photos. In the CD-ROM, there are 3 steps and 1 photo! Almost the whole procedure is missing!! If you only had the CD-ROM, you'd be totally screwed for this job. I'm shocked - this is unacceptable. I uploaded a PDF from the WIS for 77-100 here, if you want to compare your CD-ROM PDF file with what's on the WIS. I can't imagine that my CD-ROM is somehow messed up, but if y'all have the full 10-step monty, it must just be me. Basically the CD only shows page 1, while the paper manual and WIS have pages 1+2. Anyway: http://www.124performance.com/misc/77-100.pdf (100kb PDF file) :-( -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline)
[MBZ] Power antenna solution
Been reading the posts in the digest regarding the power antenna problems. After disassembling the non functional antenna in my 300SDL and discovering a broken drive gear, I looked around for an OEM replacement. Decided against it when I found the price to be about $160. Browsed around our local Advance Auto store, and found a generic replacement for $49. Installed it in 15 minutes, wired it up to the existing connector, and it's worked fine ever since. Now I'll don my Nomex suit and wait for the flames from the OEM purists. -brian
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
Thanks for the info. On 1/25/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Look for Valvoline SynPower fluid, which is a DOT 4+ fluid. Should be at almost all chain part stores - think AutoZone, Kragen/Shucks/Checker, NAPA, etc... BTW - nice VeeDub you have there! Wouldn't mind replacing my Dasher with one of those! :) +dm -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen
Re: [MBZ] Shes about to blow captain
Had a tire like that on my 82 300SD. I was about 100 miles from home when I noticed it, so I put the spare on and put the bubbled tire in the trunk. Sometime between when I changed it and going to get a new one, it had exploded while sitting in the trunk. Blew the steel belts out quite nicely. Very glad I changed it when I did. Dave W - Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Banned List [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, January 25, 2006 10:37 AM Subject: [MBZ] Shes about to blow captain -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D, 84 250 LWB, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D, 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 69 250 http://www.striplin.net -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MVC-026S.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42060 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060125/8a0145b6/MVC-026S.jpg -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: MVC-027S.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 42085 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://striplin.net/pipermail/mercedes_striplin.net/attachments/20060125/8a0145b6/MVC-027S.jpg ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Power antenna solution
After disassembling the non functional antenna in my 300SDL and discovering a broken drive gear, I looked around for an OEM replacement. Decided against it when I found the price to be about $160. Browsed around our local Advance Auto store, and found a generic replacement for $49. Installed it in 15 minutes, wired it up to the existing connector, and it's worked fine ever since. Now I'll don my Nomex suit and wait for the flames from the OEM purists. A used antenna from the U-Pull is $12, and works with the dash switch. Or if broken may well source your bad gear. You can probably sell your dead antenna to one of us for parts. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] CD-ROM service manual missing information!
The CD for the 124 - E300D shows exactly what your pdf has. MB did weird things on these CD's, mostly sloppy work. Don't mind me asking: what is WIS? On 1/25/06, Dave M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I have printed service manuals, the CD-ROM, and also the WIS. I was looking up and printing out information for my W124 sunroof repair. I've found that sometimes the CD WIS have newer info than the older printed manuals, which is why I was checking. Anyway, I discovered something very disappointing. The CD-ROM is missing information in some jobs. Two examples - one minor, one MAJOR: Job 77-050, removal of sunroof lining panel. In the printed manual, and WIS, there are 10 steps and 3 photos. In the CD-ROM, the last step - and photo - are left out. It's not a big deal in this case, but it made me look closer at all the others. Job 77-100, removal of sunroof lid/cover. In the printed manual and WIS, there are 10 steps and 5 photos. In the CD-ROM, there are 3 steps and 1 photo! Almost the whole procedure is missing!! If you only had the CD-ROM, you'd be totally screwed for this job. I'm shocked - this is unacceptable. I uploaded a PDF from the WIS for 77-100 here, if you want to compare your CD-ROM PDF file with what's on the WIS. I can't imagine that my CD-ROM is somehow messed up, but if y'all have the full 10-step monty, it must just be me. Basically the CD only shows page 1, while the paper manual and WIS have pages 1+2. Anyway: http://www.124performance.com/misc/77-100.pdf (100kb PDF file) :-( -- Dave M. Boise, ID 1994 E500 - 95kmi (Q-ship) 1987 300D - 261kmi (Sportline) ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] Tropming on the Brakes
ETY parts has the VW dot4 brake fluid ( I have a bottle of this stuff, I think it's made by pentosin ) http://www.etyproducts.com/quantity%20discounts.html They have decent price on Diesel Purge as well. The ATE super blue/amber are great fluids and make it easy to tel when you are changing out brake fluid ---Robert LT Don wrote: I tried to find DOT-4 for the VW in Jefferson and at the Carroll WalMart. Not to be found. Where can I get it? Do I need to look for some specific brand? -- 1977 240D 1983 VW Quantum turbo diesel 5-speed 1972 Honda CB-500K motorcycle http://www.airamericaradio.com/listen ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net
Re: [MBZ] Power antenna solution
A Nomex suit will not protect you. You will be beaten to death. On 1/25/06, Brian Smyla [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Been reading the posts in the digest regarding the power antenna problems. After disassembling the non functional antenna in my 300SDL and discovering a broken drive gear, I looked around for an OEM replacement. Decided against it when I found the price to be about $160. Browsed around our local Advance Auto store, and found a generic replacement for $49. Installed it in 15 minutes, wired it up to the existing connector, and it's worked fine ever since. Now I'll don my Nomex suit and wait for the flames from the OEM purists. -brian ___ http://www.striplin.net For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://striplin.net/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_striplin.net -- Hans Neureiter, Houston, TX '82 300SD, '95 E300D
Re: [MBZ] OT: Genset
It's done, more or less. (OK, _nothing_ is ever actually _done_, but it's done enough to use.) http://cathey.dogear.com/genset.html There are pictures of it completed, as of today. -- Jim
