[MBZ] 124 broken window

[wilton strickland]

Flying rock from a landscaper's grass trimmer broke rt rr window in my
showroom 87 300D today.  'Fraid guys at glass shop my not know how to r&r
inside panel without damage to panel, tabs, etc.  Any tips I may give them?
Is it more like 123 or 126?
I've done 123 and 126.  No longer able to do it myself.

Wilton

Re: [MBZ] Not getting it.

[RELNGSON]

<<"I test drove a new MB and didn't think it was any better than the Ford  
(or whatever) I also test
drove">>

Anybody who seriously makes a statement like this must be suffering from a 
serious case of sensory deprivation.

The perfect Saturn customer, now that I think about it.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Poleeece vehicles

[RELNGSON]

<< I've also seen Harley Davidson and Kawasaki police cars, much less room in 
those than in a Saturn SL.>>

The Harleys and Kawasakis I've seen have one seat and unlimited head and 
elbow room. What ARE you on about here?

RLE

Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

[Trampas]

I always get the question as to why the W126. My response is that if you
drive it for a month your butt will not get out of it. 

My wife when we were dating had a Honda Accord, she let her parents borrow
the car for a couple of week while she drove my 300SD. The whole time she
complained about the size, how slow it was, how hard it was to park, etc, I
just laughed. She got her car back, drove out of her parents driveway, got
about a block, turned around drove back and parked the Honda and got back
into the 300SD. Her words were "I felt like I was in a tin coffin." 

Now the only time she complains is when the cars break on her. 

Trampas

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

On 4/26/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
> seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
> Think about how much "butt time" has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
> wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.
>
> And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
> 1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
> Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
> apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.


Nor is it fair to compare the handling in low-traction situations of a car
with a superbly engineered AWD system, limited slip, and Blizzaks against a
RWD car with (presumably) all-season tires!  Nothing handles better than a
late-model Sube in snow except an Audi.  But put those Blizzaks on the 300D
and it'll do better than just about any FWD car, and maybe even better than
the Sube with summer tires.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 4/26/06, Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
> seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
> Think about how much "butt time" has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
> wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them.
>
> And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
> 1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
> Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
> apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.


Nor is it fair to compare the handling in low-traction situations of a car
with a superbly engineered AWD system, limited slip, and Blizzaks against a
RWD car with (presumably) all-season tires!  Nothing handles better than a
late-model Sube in snow except an Audi.  But put those Blizzaks on the 300D
and it'll do better than just about any FWD car, and maybe even better than
the Sube with summer tires.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[Alex Chamberlain]

On 4/26/06, Mitch Haley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> I've also seen Harley Davidson and Kawasaki police
> cars, much less room in those than in a Saturn SL.
>

German vehicle content: The Oregon and Washington highway patrols just
retired all their Kawasaki bikes and replaced them with BMWs.   It's a real
treat to hear that boxer-twin flat out as one rockets past you to intercept
some speeding juvenile delinquent in his souped-up Civic.

Alex Chamberlain
'87 300D Turbo
'93 Isuzu Trooper

Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[Rick Knoble]

In my city they are starting to get Dodge Chargers to replace the aging 
fleet.

Rick Knoble
'85 300 CD
'87 190 DT 

Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Jeff Zedic]

John Berryman wrote:

On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:37 AM, Joe Knight wrote:


  

Anybody with any experience with euro 123's seen anything like this
and maybe know what's intended for this extra opening?  Guess I could
stuff it with chewing gum or something...   :(

joe




Rear fog light??

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

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Rear fog light is operated by using the same switch as normal fogs but 
one click more.


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87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[John Berryman]

On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:37 AM, Joe Knight wrote:



Anybody with any experience with euro 123's seen anything like this
and maybe know what's intended for this extra opening?  Guess I could
stuff it with chewing gum or something...   :(

joe



Rear fog light??

Johnny B.
I Mac Therefore I am

Re: [MBZ] proper boost pressure on a 300Dt

[Dave M.]

Spec is 0.75-0.85 bar, I believe (10-12psi).

On my 1984 300D, there was no increase in power beyond 10psi... same
power with 10psi as there was with 17psi. You need more fuel to make
more power. But, if you are under 10psi, either the wastegate is
opening too soon, or the IP is way low on fuel delivery (ALDA
adjustment needed).

:)

-dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 15:00:10 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Christopher McCann <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] proper boost pressure on a 300Dt
>
>
> What is the boost pressure supposed to be on a 1985 300Dt?
>
>  Thanks,
>
>  Chris

Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[dave walton]

Is there a way to tell if the engine has been replaced with a Mercedes
rebuild?

Thanks

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 4/26/06, Marshall Booth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> > Recently read a note asking about putting a W123 300D into a 350SDL
> > rodbender on another forum  - the short answer given was - "yes, it;s an
> > easy change".
> >
> > Has anyone tried this?  Is it an easy change as they said?  Seems like a
> > reasonable way to save a W140 that has exhibited its terminal rod
> problems.
> > W123 300Ds are pretty reasonable now a-days and once the engine and
> > ancilliary parts were removed the remainder could be parted out/sold,
> making
> > it a zero cost option - depending on cost and proceeds from selling
> stuff.
> >
> > Curious - I think there's some W140s out there that have gotten the
> dreaded
> > "Need a rebuild" comment from their technician and they might want to
> just
> > be rid of it.
> >
> > BTW, would the donor engine mate to the W140 tranny easily?  Or perhaps
> the
> > donor car needs to provide the engine *and* tranny??
>
> NO, it's NOT easy. The OM617.95 engine CAN be put into a W140 but it
> will require a lot of modifications and re-engineering. Then there's the
> question of the AC system (not an easy modification either). I think
> you'd need the older transmission too. I don't think the version from
> the W140 will bolt up to a 617 (the 60x engine is tipped about 15
> degrees while the 617 is straight up). The engine 617 delivers much less
> power and torque than the 603 engine and the fuel economy is 15-20%
> worse too. Not a good match, but it CAN be done if you have a lot of
> skill and time.
>
> Want a good W140 diesel? About half of them have Mercedes rebuilt
> engines in them and those engines are JUST FINE. Most of THOSE owner
> aren't eager to sell because they are VERY nice cars (until the
> electronics or the original engine fails).
>
> Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

[Donald Snook]

Levi Smith wrote: 

 

"The seats are nice and firm, supportive and comfortable in my Sube.  I
find the ones in the Benz to have every disadvantage of a bench seat.
It feels like I'm riding on a worse/worn out version of the vinyl bench
seat in an 80' Dodge truck.  Given my springs are probably weak, but I
want seats that are firm, not springy, and with side bolsters for
support, not just "slidy".  The only slight advantage here is that the
Tex is probably easier to clean."

 

 

Now Come on - are you serious? 

 

You are comparing the worn out horse hair seats of your 83 123 with the
seats in a 97 Subaru?  I bet the seats in a 97 KIA would feel better.
Think about how much "butt time" has been spent in that Benz.  Come on,
wait until the Subaru seats have 350,000 miles on them. 

 

And you are complaining about a 123 diesel being slow as compared to a
1997 car.  Sure, I am positive your 123 will not be a fast as your
Subaru.  You are not comparing apples to apples.  You are comparing
apples to refrigerators. These two cars are VERY different.  

 

Not trying to start a flame, but I just thought it was a really bad
argument to compare the two cars. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 

Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[John W. Reames III]

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> If I were a cop I would be reluctant to to be seen in a Saturn police car. A 
> contradiction in terms if I ever heard of one. And if a Crown Vic with a cage 
> barely has enough room for one drunk, just imagine getting one in a Saturn.. 
> What's next, an Echo? Or a Prius as a pursuit car? Or a 240D?

I've seen tag-teams working where the spotter ran with traffic in a 
cavalier (the giveaway was the windshield mounted transponder and you 
could see the blinky-dinks if you looked closely) and the pursuit car was 
elsewhere.

-j.

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pickups

[Jim Cathey]

  Of course I don't really know that the Cummins is all that much 
better but I'm under the impression that DI engines would start alot 
easier when they're cold.


Absolutely!  My Unimog, MB DI engine that it is, has no preheating
system whatsoever.  Just a built-in ether dispenser for which I have
no juice.  Usually starts just fine, unless freezing or below, in
which case I point the heat gun down its throat.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] proper boost pressure on a 300Dt

[Jim Cathey]

What is the boost pressure supposed to be on a 1985 300Dt?


Only 8-10# IIRC.

-- Jim

Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Chuck Landenberger]

My W201 - 1986 190E 2.3 16V w/Euro headlamps has that thingy on the  
light switch.  But no movement.  Gotta' check out the vacuum  
lines...


Chuck
Phoenix AZ
On Apr 26, 2006, at 1:32 PM, John Ervine wrote:


Jeff Zedic wrote:

I thought the headlamp height adjuster wheel was part of the headlamp
switch bezel. The three position thingy next to the light switch.

Or is that only on the 124/126s?


And w116s.

Or at least *a* w116 - saw a Euro 350SE K-Jet car in the junkyard  
had that setup.


--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

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Re: [MBZ] Carfax open

[Woodlandtaylors]

Thank you

Dennis T

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I thought no one would ever ask, my account is about to expire!
Anyway, this is not "CarFax" but it should do.

I hope it helps,

Omar.



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Re: [MBZ] proper boost pressure on a 300Dt

[Jeff Zedic]

.9 bar I believe.13 psi or so...


Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

[MBZ] proper boost pressure on a 300Dt

[Christopher McCann]

What is the boost pressure supposed to be on a 1985 300Dt?
  
  Thanks,
  
  Chris
  

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I have a 617 that put a rod through the block! And yes it was well 
maintained while I had it. M1 etc...

Anyone want to buy an 83 123 from Mississippi?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Problem

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Howdy -
On my '91 300D 2.5 W124 the thing that plugs into the female thing when I 
connect the seat belts together (don't you love all these technical terms I 
use??)  is broken.  It still snaps into place but the edges are shop and I 
usually end up cutting my hand on the sharp edges as I buckle up -


Is it possible to replace just the 'male' buckle part or should I replace 
the whole assembly?


Next question - where can I finds the parts I'll need?
TIA --


I can find NO separate parts to the assembly - only the entire package, 
belt, buckle, real, and the explosive charge that tightens the seat belt 
in an accident. It's a safety item and can't be modified by law and it's 
expensive as I recall.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[Dave M.]

It's almost impossible to tell without pulling the head. You need to
measure how high each piston comes out of the block - all 6 should be
equal. It could be done via the prechamber hole with a special factory
tool (normally used to determine TDC location) but in reality, almost
nobody would (or even *could*) do that - just pull the head, inspect
the cylinder walls, and measure the piston protrusion.

Once the oil consumption gets bad enough to really notice, it's WAY
too late. Oil consumption on any 60x engine should (IMO) be about 4000
miles per quart or better. Less than 4k and somthing ain't right,
under 2k/qt start saving for a motor. (This assumes the oil is NOT
going out a bad turbo seal, or into #1 cylinder from the timing chain
cavity due to a failing head gasket.) Nothing to see or do from the
bottom end, so leave the oil pan alone.

If oil consumption is better than 4k/qt, it's a decent bet that the
engine is OK. No guarantees, but pretty good odds. That's when you
hope the previous owner is telling the truth and is 100% positive the
number of miles per quart!

=)

-dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 16:21:00 -0400
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender
>
>
> Thanks again to the replies - there certainly seems to be some differences
> of opinions - but the people on this forum seems to be in agreement.
>
> Dave M wrote:<>.
>
> This option seems to be the best of all worlds - next question -- how do you
> determone if the rods have/have not started bending without pulling the head
> and check the cylinders for ovality and perhaps the oil pan to check the con
> rods?  Which sounds like you'd be pretty far along to completely
> disassembling the engine for a rebuild.
>
> Would oil consumption be the symptom to indicate the rods have not bent?  Or
> is this something where you buy the car with the thought of fixing whatever
> you find?
>
> I guess this kind of scenario needs to get into the negotiations when a car
> is found - certainly would seem to be a tricky situation --
>
> TIA -
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry T

Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>


If I were a cop I would be reluctant to to be seen in a Saturn police car. A 
contradiction in terms if I ever heard of one. And if a Crown Vic with a cage 
barely has enough room for one drunk, just imagine getting one in a Saturn.. 
What's next, an Echo? Or a Prius as a pursuit car? Or a 240D?


Pittsburgh uses Impalas.

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[Levi Smith]

As long as he's got charge in the batteries, he's probably at least "normal"
quick.  Now, if you drain those batteries and THEN try, he's going to slow
considerably...

Levi (:

On 4/26/06, R A Bennell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> We have Toyota Prius taxis around here now. They aren't slouches at the
> lights so far as I can see. My F150 is no
> hotrod but the Prius taxi certainly ran as fast as I did from a light the
> other night ( I was in the right lane and
> wanted to get ahead of him and move over another lane - I had to get in
> behind him and follow him until he turned
> off ) and he appeared to be fully loaded with people. I was surprised at
> how quick he was.
>
> Randy B
>
> -Original Message-
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>
>
> < an
> example of why they were a different sort of car company, but why can't it
> be
> that way at every car maker?>>
>
> If I were a cop I would be reluctant to to be seen in a Saturn police car.
> A
> contradiction in terms if I ever heard of one. And if a Crown Vic with a
> cage
> barely has enough room for one drunk, just imagine getting one in a
> Saturn..
> What's next, an Echo? Or a Prius as a pursuit car? Or a 240D?
>
> RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Thanks again to the replies - there certainly seems to be some differences 
of opinions - but the people on this forum seems to be in agreement.


Dave M wrote:<>.

This option seems to be the best of all worlds - next question -- how do you 
determone if the rods have/have not started bending without pulling the head 
and check the cylinders for ovality and perhaps the oil pan to check the con 
rods?  Which sounds like you'd be pretty far along to completely 
disassembling the engine for a rebuild.


Would oil consumption be the symptom to indicate the rods have not bent?  Or 
is this something where you buy the car with the thought of fixing whatever 
you find?


I guess this kind of scenario needs to get into the negotiations when a car 
is found - certainly would seem to be a tricky situation --


One problem with all of the OM603.97 engines is that nobody knows what 
event(s) cause(s) the rods to bend. About all that's sure is that it 
happens MUCH more often (and sooner) in city driven cars than in highway 
driven cars.


Once a rod bends, well before there are ANY symptoms of bent rod(s), the 
engine is in need of a COMPLETE rebuild - including a rebore. Before any 
symptoms appear you MAY be able to get away with just replacing the rods 
IF the cylinder bore hasn't started to change from cylindrical to 
elliptical. But before oil consumption starts to increase there is no 
way to know until you open the engine and measure things. There are 
several cases where (apparently) within moments or days of the rods 
bending (long before there was any change in cylinder bore and before 
there was any increase in oil consumption) a rod simply snapped and went 
through the side of the block! That is NOT the most usual failure mode, 
but it has happened. That's a very rare failure with any Mercedes 
diesel, but it happens (I had a 601 engine put a rod through the side of 
the block).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

[Levi Smith]

In my opinion: "it all depends"...  Maybe this isn't as true with the newer
Benzes.
I like my 83' 300D.  (maybe 150K miles on engine, maybe 350K on car?)
I like my 97' Subaru Impreza Outback Sport better. (220K miles)

The seats are nice and firm, supportive and comfortable in my Sube.  I find
the ones in the Benz to have every disadvantage of a bench seat.  It feels
like I'm riding on a worse/worn out version of the vinyl bench seat in an
80' Dodge truck.  Given my springs are probably weak, but I want seats that
are firm, not springy, and with side bolsters for support, not just
"slidy".  The only slight advantage here is that the Tex is probably easier
to clean.

Perhaps my Benz' handling is not what it once was, but it doesn't hold a
candle to my Sube.  The 300D isn't horrible, but it weighs about 25% more
and has enough of that boaty "ok, I'm gonna make a turn" feeling, that I
feel like racecar man once I'm in the sube.

On a good day, the Benz kinda almost feels near as quick as the Sube, but it
never has the same response, and in reality, it never moves as fast.

The benz seems to be engineered quite well, better than a lot I've seen, but
I'd be hard pressed to find much I considered better than the Sube.  On the
Sube, the thermostat is out in the open, 2 bolts and it's replaced.  The
Benz has at least 3 and they're wedged in behind the fan(or at least it
feels that way when you're trying to get a wrench on them).  The alternator
was a simple 2 bolts right on top in the open in the sube with the nice
adjustable bolt to tighten.  The Benz is kinda buried down in there and a
bit of a pain.
I will say I like the brakes on the 300D better than the stock ones on the
Sube.  But only for the opposed piston design.  Though, these are the stock
brakes on a $17K car.  Were I to buy a $30K version of the Sube, I would
have 4 piston opposed brakes, or I could just spend a bit more and drop them
on to my current car as Subaru is nice to make most things modular like
Mercedes seems to have.  I still like the bolts on the calipers better than
the pins, and in terms of actual performance, the nod has to go to the Sube
which I upgraded one level to rear discs and slightly larger front calipers,
and down a long hill, the Benz will fade out where the Sube doesn't.
Changing an axle in the Sube doesn't involve opening the diff cover.
(though I admit I didn't care for the roll pin on the front axle.  What
happened to the lovely ones on my Isuzu's and Honda's that just had an
internal snap-wring where you just placed a large screw-driver between the
inner joint and the diff and a slight pressure popped the joint out?)

And the Benz continues to confirm what I've found in any other RWD vehicle.
They SUCK if you give them any reason at all not to have traction.  If I do
decide to try driving it in the winter, I can almost guarantee I'll be
calling my dad to come pull me out at least a few times.  Whereas with the
Sube, I NEVER have to say "oh, the weather's bad, maybe I should stay home"
(note that also includes Blizzaks on the Sube)

Now, the question comes: Why do I drive the Benz and not the Sube (at least
in the summer?)
Well, mainly because I can't throw "liquid trash" into the Suby and drive
it.  I'm somewhere around 800 miles on a little more than half a tank of
diesel used, and with the current prices, it's making a pretty big
difference.
I Do like the extra room in the Benz as well.  The side room is useful, and
I can haul like 8 5-gallon pails of oil in the trunk as opposed to about 2
in the Sube!
I like the IDEA of the automatic climate control in the Benz, but it only
"kinda" works, and I hate the fact that I can't just select "outside air"
without the fan on.  In the Sube, that's where I leave it most all the time
and the air pressure pushes it through while I'm moving just fine and it's
heated if I have the heat selector in that position, and it keeps the
windows more defrosted.  Whereas in the Benz it seems the only option is to
select Defrost which means "throw the fan on full and wait till the fuse
melts.  I don't care what temperature you want or how much air".
And I will say that the Subaru seems to be rusting faster than the Benz
since it now has a couple of nice patches in the rear fenders.  However,
I've seen more than a couple Benz' for sale that were rusted out beyond
safety...


Anyway...  Sorry for the length.  I like the Benz, it is a great car.  But I
can honestly say that if my Subaru could digest vegetables I'd be driving
it.  (:

Levi


On 4/26/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> That's the kind of info needed when someone says, "I test drove a new MB
> and
> didn't think it was any better than the Ford  (or whatever) I also test
> drove""
>
> I try to tell them they have to *live* with a MB for a while - *then*
> they'll understand the difference - but that's hard to convince someone to
> try -
>
> Another good way to understand the difference is to work on a MB after
> worki

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Problem

[R A Bennell]

You will likely have to get the belt from a junkyard  unless you want to order 
the whole thing from a dealer (at
least in my limited experience). I tried to get a part for a Ford Taurus a few 
years back and the dealer parts
fellow told me they cannot get parts due to a concern about safety issues. If 
anything goes wrong with a seat belt,
they make you order the whole belt - both pieces and it is not inexpensive.

On the other hand, a friend found a place that repaired a seatbelt for his mid 
80's Buick. A spring of some sort
had broken or become dislodged and fallen out. No tension on the release 
button. He called some junkyards looking
for a used replacement after striking out at the dealer. One of them told him 
to bring in the offending half of the
seatbelt. He removed it from the car and took it to them. They took it in the 
back and brought it out again within
a couple of minutes repaired. They would not show or tell him how they did it 
and would only take cash for the
repair. He felt they must have some special tool that permitted them to take it 
apart as he said you couldn't get
at it the way it was.

Randy B

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Subject: [MBZ] Seat Belt Problem


Howdy -
On my '91 300D 2.5 W124 the thing that plugs into the female thing when I
connect the seat belts together (don't you love all these technical terms I
use??)  is broken.  It still snaps into place but the edges are shop and I
usually end up cutting my hand on the sharp edges as I buckle up -

Is it possible to replace just the 'male' buckle part or should I replace
the whole assembly?

Next question - where can I finds the parts I'll need?
TIA --

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)

Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[R A Bennell]

We have Toyota Prius taxis around here now. They aren't slouches at the lights 
so far as I can see. My F150 is no
hotrod but the Prius taxi certainly ran as fast as I did from a light the other 
night ( I was in the right lane and
wanted to get ahead of him and move over another lane - I had to get in behind 
him and follow him until he turned
off ) and he appeared to be fully loaded with people. I was surprised at how 
quick he was.

Randy B

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<>

If I were a cop I would be reluctant to to be seen in a Saturn police car. A
contradiction in terms if I ever heard of one. And if a Crown Vic with a cage
barely has enough room for one drunk, just imagine getting one in a Saturn..
What's next, an Echo? Or a Prius as a pursuit car? Or a 240D?

RLE
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Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hi Marshall,
Thanks for the in-depth answer - as well as the others who responded - it's 
threads like these that save us money when opportunities raise their ugly 
heads!


Marshall wrote:>


This info may not be available to you,  but I'm wondering what "failed"? 
Did they start burning oil? leaking oil?  Rod thru the block?  Engine knock? 
But if you were not seeing them 1st hand you may not have been exposed to 
that info --


A crank snapped on one, not sure about all of them - several never broke 
in - the rings never seated and oil consumption was high.


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Mathieu J . Cama]

107, 116, 124, 126, 201 have the switch like you describe. I don't know 
about the later models.


123 has them in the center console.

Mathieu



On Apr 26, 2006, at 3:48 PM, Jeff Zedic wrote:


I thought the headlamp height adjuster wheel was part of the headlamp
switch bezel. The three position thingy next to the light switch.

Or is that only on the 124/126s?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Problem

[l02turner]

Yeah!  Buckle!  That's it!!   Thanks!
I guess I'll start looking for a new assy. - this is one of the things where 
"used" is unacceptable.  Once a seatbelt has been stressed in an accident 
they're forever weakened - or so I've been told -


Thanks again!

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 4:25 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Problem


it's called a buckle, or the male end. Buy a new assembly; there's no way 
to get a new buckle on (that I can think of).


Sunil Hari

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To:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Howdy -
On my '91 300D 2.5 W124 the thing that plugs into the female thing when I
connect the seat belts together (don't you love all these technical terms 
I

use??)  is broken.  It still snaps into place but the edges are shop and I
usually end up cutting my hand on the sharp edges as I buckle up -

Is it possible to replace just the 'male' buckle part or should I replace
the whole assembly?

Next question - where can I finds the parts I'll need?
TIA --

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[John Ervine]

Jeff Zedic wrote:
I thought the headlamp height adjuster wheel was part of the headlamp 
switch bezel. The three position thingy next to the light switch.


Or is that only on the 124/126s?


And w116s.

Or at least *a* w116 - saw a Euro 350SE K-Jet car in the junkyard had that 
setup.

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1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

[l02turner]

That's the kind of info needed when someone says, "I test drove a new MB and 
didn't think it was any better than the Ford  (or whatever) I also test 
drove""


I try to tell them they have to *live* with a MB for a while - *then* 
they'll understand the difference - but that's hard to convince someone to 
try -


Another good way to understand the difference is to work on a MB after 
working on Fords, Chevs, Dodge, etc - virtually *any* other vehicle will 
come out with shortcomings when compared to a MB.  Little things like the 
ways wiring and tubing is secured - but I'm preaching to the choir --


Take care -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Christopher McCann" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:47 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] I love my 126



"It is such a great highway performer and very
comfortable to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could 
drive 7-8

hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners
rave about these cars."

EXACTLY! My dad asked once, "What's the big deal about this car?" I said 
drive

it for three hours, then tell me. I used to HATE
road trips. Now I love them. The longest I ever spent in a
car b4 my 300SD was 12 hours (driving) and it nearly killed me, I was
exhausted. A year ago, I drove 17.5 hours striaght,
with three girls aged 5 and under(!!!) and I too
could have gone forever.

This is what the 126 is for.

Chris



Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Back in January/February I bought a 
1990 300SEL. This car has the M103

engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.



I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.



While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 126K

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Re: [MBZ] Seat Belt Problem

[sunilhari]

it's called a buckle, or the male end. Buy a new assembly; there's no way to 
get a new buckle on (that I can think of).

Sunil Hari

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From:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Date:  Wed Apr 26, 2006 3:59 pm
Size:  1020 bytes
To:  <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Howdy -
On my '91 300D 2.5 W124 the thing that plugs into the female thing when I 
connect the seat belts together (don't you love all these technical terms I 
use??)  is broken.  It still snaps into place but the edges are shop and I 
usually end up cutting my hand on the sharp edges as I buckle up -

Is it possible to replace just the 'male' buckle part or should I replace 
the whole assembly?

Next question - where can I finds the parts I'll need?
TIA --

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[l02turner]

Thanks again to the replies - there certainly seems to be some differences 
of opinions - but the people on this forum seems to be in agreement.


Dave M wrote:<>.

This option seems to be the best of all worlds - next question -- how do you 
determone if the rods have/have not started bending without pulling the head 
and check the cylinders for ovality and perhaps the oil pan to check the con 
rods?  Which sounds like you'd be pretty far along to completely 
disassembling the engine for a rebuild.


Would oil consumption be the symptom to indicate the rods have not bent?  Or 
is this something where you buy the car with the thought of fixing whatever 
you find?


I guess this kind of scenario needs to get into the negotiations when a car 
is found - certainly would seem to be a tricky situation --


TIA -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:33 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender



Larry,

Short answer - the note on the other forum was wrong. With a bent-rod
3.5L engine, you have basically 2 viable options:

1) Replace the engine with a factory 3.5L crate motor (long or short 
block)


2) Replace the engine with a 3.0L from a 1986/87 300D/TD/SDL.


If the 3.5L engine still has round cylinders and no oil consumption,
you have a third option... replace the rods BEFORE they bend. Kinda
spendy ($1200+ in parts, plus labor) but far cheaper than a new motor.

Putting a 617 into a W140 is just silly, IMO.


:)

-dm


--
Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:52:43 -0400
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender


Recently read a note asking about putting a W123 300D into a 350SDL
rodbender on another forum  - the short answer given was - "yes, it;s an
easy change".

Has anyone tried this?  Is it an easy change as they said?  Seems like a
reasonable way to save a W140 that has exhibited its terminal rod 
problems.

W123 300Ds are pretty reasonable now a-days and once the engine and
ancilliary parts were removed the remainder could be parted out/sold, 
making
it a zero cost option - depending on cost and proceeds from selling 
stuff.


Curious - I think there's some W140s out there that have gotten the 
dreaded
"Need a rebuild" comment from their technician and they might want to 
just

be rid of it.

BTW, would the donor engine mate to the W140 tranny easily?  Or perhaps 
the

donor car needs to provide the engine *and* tranny??

Thx -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)


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Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[David Brodbeck]

Mitch Haley wrote:

If I were a cop I would be reluctant to to be seen in a Saturn police
car. A  contradiction in terms if I ever heard of one. 



I once saw a sheriff's K-9 unit in a Taurus sedan. Why it wasn't
a wagon I have no idea. In the case of the guy who bought the
Saturns, he said there was only one road leading out of towm so
he had no need for pursuit capability. Probably didn't use a
cage either. I've also seen Harley Davidson and Kawasaki police
cars, much less room in those than in a Saturn SL. 
  


Dodge Intrepids seem to be popular in some jurisdictions, too, probably 
because of their superior fuel economy compared to the usual Crown 
Vics.  I think all-out speed has gotten less important than it used to 
be -- you can't outrun a Motorola, and it's pretty tough to shake a Bell 
JetRanger.



David Brodbeck
'83 300D Turbo

Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

[l02turner]

Donald wrote:<< great highway performer and very comfortable to drive. >>

The seats in a MB seem at first impression, to be too firm and unforgiving. 
And some people form that 1st impression and never give them a chance.  But 
if they can be convinced to ride in them for an hour or more they almost 
always become converts and realize how comfortable they are.


Just as you described - they are supportive and comfortable for even the 
longest drives.


Congratulations on your new purchase!  Maybe you'll find that SDL you've 
been looking for??  Then you'll have the beginnings of a fleet of W126's! 
;-)


Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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- Original Message - 
From: "Donald Snook" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:35 PM
Subject: [MBZ] I love my 126



Back in January/February I bought a 1990 300SEL. This car has the M103
engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.



I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.



While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.



Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 126K

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Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[Mitch Haley]

> 
> If I were a cop I would be reluctant to to be seen in a Saturn police
> car. A  contradiction in terms if I ever heard of one. 

I once saw a sheriff's K-9 unit in a Taurus sedan. Why it wasn't
a wagon I have no idea. In the case of the guy who bought the
Saturns, he said there was only one road leading out of towm so
he had no need for pursuit capability. Probably didn't use a
cage either. I've also seen Harley Davidson and Kawasaki police
cars, much less room in those than in a Saturn SL. 

Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[l02turner]

Hi Marshall,
Thanks for the in-depth answer - as well as the others who responded - it's 
threads like these that save us money when opportunities raise their ugly 
heads!


Marshall wrote:>


This info may not be available to you,  but I'm wondering what "failed"? 
Did they start burning oil? leaking oil?  Rod thru the block?  Engine knock? 
But if you were not seeing them 1st hand you may not have been exposed to 
that info --


Just curious -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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From: "Marshall Booth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 2:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender



Peter Frederick wrote:

Nice thing about Benz, all the engines sit on the same mounts and all
the trannies bolt up to the same pattern, as far as I know (just like
Chevy, unlike Ford).


I THINK the cocked engine in the OM60x is a problem - maybe not.


However, a rebuild on the original 350 is only about $5000 if you do it
yourself, and in fact may be somewhat less depending on the exact
engine.  Biggest cost is the new pistons and rods, neither cheap ($2500
for pistons a few years back).

Once done, the engine is as good as the 3.0L 603 the only problem being
understrength rods.  Not all engines go -- I've personally seen  one
with 350,000 miles on the original engine.


The replacement rods are NOT understrength. That's ONE reason why you
must replace ALL of them (the new ones weigh more). Reboring and
sleeving the engine is not for the faint of heart - Mercedes said it
mustn't be done in the engine manual, but they have been doing it in
their rebuilds starting when the bores were found to be wearing into an
elliptical profile in the mid '90s. Very few of the independently
rebuilt OM603.97 engines that I've heard of have lasted even 20kmi.
Maybe I only heard about the bad ones. I know of less than a dozen and 5
of them failed VERY shortly after rebuild - one was rebuilt at a
dealership, two by respected engine rebuilders and the others by
allegedly rather skilled mechanics with LOTS of experience rebuilding
gas engines.

Marshall
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[MBZ] Seat Belt Problem

[l02turner]

Howdy -
On my '91 300D 2.5 W124 the thing that plugs into the female thing when I 
connect the seat belts together (don't you love all these technical terms I 
use??)  is broken.  It still snaps into place but the edges are shop and I 
usually end up cutting my hand on the sharp edges as I buckle up -


Is it possible to replace just the 'male' buckle part or should I replace 
the whole assembly?


Next question - where can I finds the parts I'll need?
TIA --

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Jeff Zedic]

I thought the headlamp height adjuster wheel was part of the headlamp 
switch bezel. The three position thingy next to the light switch.


Or is that only on the 124/126s?

Jeff Zedic
Toronto
87 300TD

Re: [MBZ] Saturn cop cars?

[RELNGSON]

<>

If I were a cop I would be reluctant to to be seen in a Saturn police car. A 
contradiction in terms if I ever heard of one. And if a Crown Vic with a cage 
barely has enough room for one drunk, just imagine getting one in a Saturn.. 
What's next, an Echo? Or a Prius as a pursuit car? Or a 240D?

RLE

Re: [MBZ] Comparisons

[RELNGSON]

<>

I'm sending over a pair of my old glasses for you. The comparison with the 
R-Class is the Chrysler Pacifica. The Crossfire is the two-seater built on the 
old SLK platform by Karmann.

RLE

Re: [MBZ] I love my 126

[Christopher McCann]

"It is such a great highway performer and very 
comfortable to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 
7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners 
rave about these cars."

EXACTLY! My dad asked once, "What's the big deal about this car?" I said drive
it for three hours, then tell me. I used to HATE
road trips. Now I love them. The longest I ever spent in a 
car b4 my 300SD was 12 hours (driving) and it nearly killed me, I was 
exhausted. A year ago, I drove 17.5 hours striaght, 
with three girls aged 5 and under(!!!) and I too
could have gone forever. 

This is what the 126 is for.

Chris

  

Donald Snook <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:  Back in January/February I bought a 
1990 300SEL. This car has the M103
engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.  

 

I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.

 

While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.   

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 126K 

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Paint to sample and interior to sample is still available at great cost and 
added production time.

A lot of equipment that MB includes as standard is optional at astonishing 
prices at Porsche. That's why a Cayman or Boxster S is about 50% more costly 
than a C350 with about the same equipment. And it's why I can't buy one. I 
think 
80 grand for a Cayman is just too much.

RLE

[MBZ] I love my 126

[Donald Snook]

Back in January/February I bought a 1990 300SEL. This car has the M103
engine for which many people have strong opinions (both good and bad).
Well, I really enjoyed the car, it is roomy and extremely well appointed
and comfortable. Plus, I just think it is a good looking car.  At any
rate, I was ready for the slow acceleration from the 3.0  six cylinder.
After all, it doesn't have all that much horsepower and less torque and
the 126 LWB is a big heavy car.  

 

I picked the car up in Florida and drove it back to Kansas.  I enjoyed
driving it, but during the 14 hour days of driving I couldn't really
appreciate it or love it. I just wanted to get home.

 

While the 103 motor is not exactly zippy around town, I loved it on the
highway.  I took it on a long trip this past weekend and put about 1000
miles on it.   It is such a great highway performer and very comfortable
to drive.  I don't think I have ever had a car that I could drive 7-8
hours straight without stopping and stretching and fighting an aching
back or legs.  If I didn't have to stop for gas or nature's call --I
could drive forever in this car.  I now know why so many 126 owners rave
about these cars.   Now if we could just do something about the gas
mileage.  I guess I am going to have to get an SDL.   

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL 126K 

Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[Dave M.]

Larry,

Short answer - the note on the other forum was wrong. With a bent-rod
3.5L engine, you have basically 2 viable options:

1) Replace the engine with a factory 3.5L crate motor (long or short block)

2) Replace the engine with a 3.0L from a 1986/87 300D/TD/SDL.


If the 3.5L engine still has round cylinders and no oil consumption,
you have a third option... replace the rods BEFORE they bend. Kinda
spendy ($1200+ in parts, plus labor) but far cheaper than a new motor.

Putting a 617 into a W140 is just silly, IMO.


:)

-dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:52:43 -0400
> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender
>
>
> Recently read a note asking about putting a W123 300D into a 350SDL
> rodbender on another forum  - the short answer given was - "yes, it;s an
> easy change".
>
> Has anyone tried this?  Is it an easy change as they said?  Seems like a
> reasonable way to save a W140 that has exhibited its terminal rod problems.
> W123 300Ds are pretty reasonable now a-days and once the engine and
> ancilliary parts were removed the remainder could be parted out/sold, making
> it a zero cost option - depending on cost and proceeds from selling stuff.
>
> Curious - I think there's some W140s out there that have gotten the dreaded
> "Need a rebuild" comment from their technician and they might want to just
> be rid of it.
>
> BTW, would the donor engine mate to the W140 tranny easily?  Or perhaps the
> donor car needs to provide the engine *and* tranny??
>
> Thx -
>
> Sincerely,
> Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)

Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E

[Dave M.]

More specifically, the chassis, and fancy electronic widgets, may have
a tough time making it past 300kmi. Seems Mercedes stopped making the
"million mile car" after the W124. Now, on the other hand, the newer
diesel engines may be ok (mechanically) far past 300k with proper
maintenance. I'm sticking with the W124 for many years to come, thank
you berry much.

=)

-Dave M.

> --
> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 10:26:52 -0400
> From: "dave walton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
>
>
> If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last
> 300kmi.
>
> -Dave Walton
> 94S350, 99E300

Re: [MBZ] 92 Oldsmobile 98 still For sale

[Donald Snook]

Gary Hurst wrote: 

 

"and how low is this being sold for??"

 

 

I would like to get $1500-1700. I think however I will get $1300-1400. 

 

It is a 1992 Oldsmobile 98 Regency Elite

 

Approx - 121K miles

Leather interior (VERY NICE)

A/C works very well 

Power windows, locks, trunk pulldown etc.  Everything works except power
antenna - stuck in up position. 

New front pads and rotors. 

BRAND NEW Tires all around (less than 2000 miles) 

Transmission just flushed/serviced

Exterior white decent shape 

ABS light on -- My experience as an Oldsmobile Service Manager is that
this is probably one of the wheel speed sensors.   

 

Good car.  Surprisingly good fuel mileage.  One of my former mechanics
has the same car and routinely gets 28-30 on the highway - his car has
200K on it. 

 

Can send pics if anyone is interested after I take them this weekend.  

 

We are cleaning up here in Wichita from a nasty hail-storm that came
through Monday morning and again Monday afternoon. 

 

Donald H. Snook

1990 300SEL  126K 

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pickups

[Curt Raymond]

Thought about it.
  Found www.mseriesrebuild.com online. He's doing some interesting things with 
130hp 4BTs bought new from Cummins.
  The only reason I've got so far for not wanting to use a 617 is cold starting 
but in a fullsize truck with plenty of space to put in a dual battery setup 
that'd probably be alot less of a worry. I would intend this vehicle to spend 
time in the backcountry and I wouldn't want to be caught at camp (no 
electricty) in the single digits like it was 2 years ago without some way to 
ensure the thing will start.
  Of course I don't really know that the Cummins is all that much better but 
I'm under the impression that DI engines would start alot easier when they're 
cold.
   
  -Curt
   
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Why not use a 617 or a 602/603?  They are A LOT quieter.  I knew a guy 
who 
had a 60 something IH pickup with an  old OM 636 in it.  (180D)  He 
loved 
it.  That was only what?  Maybe 40 -45 hp?  Even a 240D will pull a 
pickup 
with the right gearing.   I'd prefer the 3 liter size myself so it 
could 
make good speed rolling along the interstate, and have decent 
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Peter Frederick wrote:
> Nice thing about Benz, all the engines sit on the same mounts and all 
> the trannies bolt up to the same pattern, as far as I know (just like 
> Chevy, unlike Ford).

I THINK the cocked engine in the OM60x is a problem - maybe not.

> However, a rebuild on the original 350 is only about $5000 if you do it 
> yourself, and in fact may be somewhat less depending on the exact 
> engine.  Biggest cost is the new pistons and rods, neither cheap ($2500 
> for pistons a few years back).
> 
> Once done, the engine is as good as the 3.0L 603 the only problem being 
> understrength rods.  Not all engines go -- I've personally seen  one 
> with 350,000 miles on the original engine.

The replacement rods are NOT understrength. That's ONE reason why you 
must replace ALL of them (the new ones weigh more). Reboring and 
sleeving the engine is not for the faint of heart - Mercedes said it 
mustn't be done in the engine manual, but they have been doing it in 
their rebuilds starting when the bores were found to be wearing into an 
elliptical profile in the mid '90s. Very few of the independently 
rebuilt OM603.97 engines that I've heard of have lasted even 20kmi. 
Maybe I only heard about the bad ones. I know of less than a dozen and 5 
of them failed VERY shortly after rebuild - one was rebuilt at a 
dealership, two by respected engine rebuilders and the others by 
allegedly rather skilled mechanics with LOTS of experience rebuilding 
gas engines.

Marshall
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen boost gimmicks?

[Luther Gulseth]

Stop the gibber jabber!

On Wed, 26 Apr 2006 11:56:57 -0500, Luther Gulseth <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Stop this poppy cock!

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:40:06 -0500, Peter Frederick  
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

wrote:


Not specifically liberal, I don't believe, although liberals are
generally running it up more (the general conservative line is that we
need to get more oil, instead).  Problem is that we consume fantastic
amounts of energy as burned fossil fuels, and there is currently
nothing to replace them.  Petroleum products as fuel for mobile
vehicles are hard to beat -- quite sage, high energy density, and the
combustion products are gases.  Who wants clinkers falling (red hot)
out of the back of your car?

Biofuels are a hope, but with the current US farming methods, there is
some debate as to whether or not there is a net fuel gain -- I've been
hearing for at least 20 years that more BTU are consumed in production
of crops in the US that is present in the final product -- one must
include the energy costs of producing herbicides, pesticides, the
actual use of farm equipment, and the energy used to produce and
transport the fertilizers.

A knotty problem, not well addressed by anyone currently, certainly not
by advocating "hydrogen economies" as if the energy magically appeared.

Note that nuclear power is also not energy consumption free -- the
energy needed to produce the fuel for the reactors, and the BTUs
consumed to make all those cubic miles of concrete has to be added in
-- quite likely the net gain is small or negative.  After all, there is
NO commercial nuclear fuel production to get numbers with.  It's all
done by governments, and they all have good reasons to distort the
energy usage, if not downright lie about it.

Peter










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'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[Marshall Booth]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Recently read a note asking about putting a W123 300D into a 350SDL 
rodbender on another forum  - the short answer given was - "yes, it;s an 
easy change".


Has anyone tried this?  Is it an easy change as they said?  Seems like a 
reasonable way to save a W140 that has exhibited its terminal rod problems. 
W123 300Ds are pretty reasonable now a-days and once the engine and 
ancilliary parts were removed the remainder could be parted out/sold, making 
it a zero cost option - depending on cost and proceeds from selling stuff.


Curious - I think there's some W140s out there that have gotten the dreaded 
"Need a rebuild" comment from their technician and they might want to just 
be rid of it.


BTW, would the donor engine mate to the W140 tranny easily?  Or perhaps the 
donor car needs to provide the engine *and* tranny??


NO, it's NOT easy. The OM617.95 engine CAN be put into a W140 but it 
will require a lot of modifications and re-engineering. Then there's the 
question of the AC system (not an easy modification either). I think 
you'd need the older transmission too. I don't think the version from 
the W140 will bolt up to a 617 (the 60x engine is tipped about 15 
degrees while the 617 is straight up). The engine 617 delivers much less 
power and torque than the 603 engine and the fuel economy is 15-20% 
worse too. Not a good match, but it CAN be done if you have a lot of 
skill and time.


Want a good W140 diesel? About half of them have Mercedes rebuilt 
engines in them and those engines are JUST FINE. Most of THOSE owner 
aren't eager to sell because they are VERY nice cars (until the 
electronics or the original engine fails).


Marshall
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Re: [MBZ] seller on lots of crack & meth

[ms . 300SD]

Some people have no connection to reality.  Yeah, nice car, for an old car,
but hey, buddy, have ya checked the used car market to see what 12 grand
usually buys out there?

No?

Didn't think so.

Lynn
'85 300SD "Victoria"

Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen boost gimmicks?

[Luther Gulseth]

Stop this poppy cock!

On Tue, 25 Apr 2006 21:40:06 -0500, Peter Frederick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  
wrote:



Not specifically liberal, I don't believe, although liberals are
generally running it up more (the general conservative line is that we
need to get more oil, instead).  Problem is that we consume fantastic
amounts of energy as burned fossil fuels, and there is currently
nothing to replace them.  Petroleum products as fuel for mobile
vehicles are hard to beat -- quite sage, high energy density, and the
combustion products are gases.  Who wants clinkers falling (red hot)
out of the back of your car?

Biofuels are a hope, but with the current US farming methods, there is
some debate as to whether or not there is a net fuel gain -- I've been
hearing for at least 20 years that more BTU are consumed in production
of crops in the US that is present in the final product -- one must
include the energy costs of producing herbicides, pesticides, the
actual use of farm equipment, and the energy used to produce and
transport the fertilizers.

A knotty problem, not well addressed by anyone currently, certainly not
by advocating "hydrogen economies" as if the energy magically appeared.

Note that nuclear power is also not energy consumption free -- the
energy needed to produce the fuel for the reactors, and the BTUs
consumed to make all those cubic miles of concrete has to be added in
-- quite likely the net gain is small or negative.  After all, there is
NO commercial nuclear fuel production to get numbers with.  It's all
done by governments, and they all have good reasons to distort the
energy usage, if not downright lie about it.

Peter






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'83 300SD (231,xxx kmi)
'82 300CD (159,xxx kmi)
'82 300D  (74,000 kmi) needs MAJOR work

Re: [MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[Peter Frederick]

Nice thing about Benz, all the engines sit on the same mounts and all 
the trannies bolt up to the same pattern, as far as I know (just like 
Chevy, unlike Ford).


However, a rebuild on the original 350 is only about $5000 if you do it 
yourself, and in fact may be somewhat less depending on the exact 
engine.  Biggest cost is the new pistons and rods, neither cheap ($2500 
for pistons a few years back).


Once done, the engine is as good as the 3.0L 603 the only problem being 
understrength rods.  Not all engines go -- I've personally seen  one 
with 350,000 miles on the original engine.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] 92 Oldsmobile 98 still For sale

[Gary Hurst]

and how low is this being sold for??

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> I haven't done anything to try to sell the My 92 Olds 98, but I hope to
> this weekend.   If anyone wants a nice grampa car with all the extra
> amenities and pretty good fuel mileage email me off list.  I lowered the
> price.
>
>
>
> Donald H. Snook
>
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>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Mac to PC

[archer]

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From: "Peter Frederick" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I repaired a Sony Viao for a friend of mine this winter -- hosed XP
installation.  I got a copy of Knoppix as a boot CD, and would switch
over personally -- I suspect it's both more stable and boots MUCH
faster.  XP is a hog -- this was a 1.6G processor 512 MB ram system -- 
takes longer to boot than DOS/W3.1!


Ah, I'm showing my age again -- first computer was an Apple II with
128k of memory, used
Peter

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The old lady I'm switching Mac to PC for had the MB die on her second Mac. 
Her sister works for Dell in Austin, so she sent her a new PC.  I told her I 
would help her learn how to use it.  About all she uses a computer for is 
email and letter writing.


I ordered a copy of Knoppix when it first came out, hoping I could load it 
from disc each each time I used it.  Unfortunately, it loaded too slowly on 
the old computer I was using.  Maybe I'll try it on this one which is about 
five times faster.

Gerry
'83 240D and 300D

Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen boost gimmicks?

[Peter Frederick]

Eating and having a place to sleep

Peter

Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen boost gimmicks?

[Peter Frederick]

Hydrogen is only a "battery" -- storage.  There is always some energy 
lost during transfers (heat, in fact, usually, although noise is wasted 
energy, too).  Using the electricity to charge a battery or run a train 
would probably be at least as efficient.


In the US, we have short supply on electricity, and most of it is 
generated by coal or nuke (although natural gas is catching up fast).  
PV is fine, except it's very expensive and there is a huge energy 
requirement for making the high-purity silicone wafers for the cells...


It's all circular and all in there together, you can't do "accounting" 
with energy -- actually you can't do it with money, either, although 
you can pretend (aka Enron).


Final answer is that without petroleum (cheap petroleum at that), the 
world will be a different place.


As for ethanol, it takes nearly the BTU content of the final product to 
distill it out of the fermentation solution, and I don't know of any 
alternative -- you can save a bunch by re-cycling the heat, but that 
take quite a bit of engineering and isn't cheap.  There is a local (S. 
Illinois) ethanol plant being widely talked up as the "way of the 
future" -- burns 300 ton of coal a day for less than 600 ton of 
ethanol.


Peter

Re: [MBZ] LT Don needs a car

[redghost]

I would gladly sell one child for a nice 65 230SL

On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 11:05 PM, Ed Booher wrote:


My only head start is an add in Craiglist from a guy looking for "Used
Japanese car" and I just happen to have a Mitsu I've been trying to
sell. Other than that, my money stays tight. Family to feed an all
that, I'm sure you sympathize with the condition.

On 4/26/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

You may have a head start.  I just sprang the idea on SWMBA and I may
have better luck getting Mistress Jill to pay up.  But with the great
spreadsheet I just did to show it may be profitable, who can tell?



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Re: [MBZ] Mac to PC

[Peter Frederick]

I repaired a Sony Viao for a friend of mine this winter -- hosed XP 
installation.  I got a copy of Knoppix as a boot CD, and would switch 
over personally -- I suspect it's both more stable and boots MUCH 
faster.  XP is a hog -- this was a 1.6G processor 512 MB ram system -- 
takes longer to boot than DOS/W3.1!


Ah, I'm showing my age again -- first computer was an Apple II with 
128k of memory, used


Peter

Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Mathieu J . Cama]

The Euro headlamp height adjuster switch has the same dimensions as the 
other switches e.g. antenna, rear defog, rear dome light, etc. The 
narrow slot is strictly for the A/C wheel on the Euros with manual 
klima.


Mathieu


On Apr 26, 2006, at 11:47 AM, Harry Watkins wrote:


Joe

That may be for the headlight up and down vacuum control, there is one 
on my

Euro but its out of state with a grandson so I can't look.  It works.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans



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From: "Joe Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 11:37 PM
Subject: [MBZ] W123 euro ?



Along with the wagon arrived today a box of assorted parts from Speed,
among which is the switch panel, the one that carries the
sunroof/antenna/etc switches.  From the epc, the p/n I ordered &
received looked to have 5 openings for switches, the 5th being needed
for a light range adjuster switch.  However what arrived has a sixth
opening, 4th from the left, a bit narrower than the others and without
the little top & bottom recessed bits for the switches to latch onto.
Anybody with any experience with euro 123's seen anything like this
and maybe know what's intended for this extra opening?  Guess I could
stuff it with chewing gum or something...   :(

joe

[MBZ] Saving a W140 Rodbender

[l02turner]

Recently read a note asking about putting a W123 300D into a 350SDL 
rodbender on another forum  - the short answer given was - "yes, it;s an 
easy change".


Has anyone tried this?  Is it an easy change as they said?  Seems like a 
reasonable way to save a W140 that has exhibited its terminal rod problems. 
W123 300Ds are pretty reasonable now a-days and once the engine and 
ancilliary parts were removed the remainder could be parted out/sold, making 
it a zero cost option - depending on cost and proceeds from selling stuff.


Curious - I think there's some W140s out there that have gotten the dreaded 
"Need a rebuild" comment from their technician and they might want to just 
be rid of it.


BTW, would the donor engine mate to the W140 tranny easily?  Or perhaps the 
donor car needs to provide the engine *and* tranny??


Thx -

Sincerely,
Larry T ('74 911, '67 MGB, 91 300D Turbo)
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Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Harry Watkins]

Joe

That may be for the headlight up and down vacuum control, there is one on my
Euro but its out of state with a grandson so I can't look.  It works.

Harry Watkins
Newton, MS
86 SDL Silver
85 300D Euro
86 SDL Gold
81 240D manual trans



- Original Message - 
From: "Joe Knight" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Subject: [MBZ] W123 euro ?


> Along with the wagon arrived today a box of assorted parts from Speed,
> among which is the switch panel, the one that carries the
> sunroof/antenna/etc switches.  From the epc, the p/n I ordered &
> received looked to have 5 openings for switches, the 5th being needed
> for a light range adjuster switch.  However what arrived has a sixth
> opening, 4th from the left, a bit narrower than the others and without
> the little top & bottom recessed bits for the switches to latch onto.
> Anybody with any experience with euro 123's seen anything like this
> and maybe know what's intended for this extra opening?  Guess I could
> stuff it with chewing gum or something...   :(
>
> joe

Re: [MBZ] Free 86 Benz

[Dave M.]

Clay, if you check it out, let me know what model it is... I might be
interested if it's a 300E, or 300SDL...

=)

+dm

> --
> Date: Wed, 26 Apr 2006 02:01:44 -0400
> From: "Ed Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Free 86 Benz
>
>
> If it is truly free, as in here's title now drag it away please, even
> without a key how could it not be worth it, yes? I mean, stripping it
> for parts would more than make for trouble of having to drag home,
> wouldn't it?
>
> On 4/26/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > http://seattle.craigslist.org/zip/154375764.html
> >
> > I have no idea, but I may have to go look at it and take it home.
> >
> > --
> > Clay
> > Seattle Bioburner

Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E

[Loren Faeth]

Which underscores the benefits of owning 123/124/126 and 201 cars.  These 
are still "true" Mercedes Benz.  With care, they will last a long 
time.  That is why I have a pristine spare 126.  If I ever drive my SDL 
into the ground, I have the next one ready.  This point relates to Johhny 
B's question if they are worth it, and also to my earlier thread about why 
we drive old Mercedes.


Now the bluetec engine is very interesting, but at the same time, 
mechanical injection is very comforting, because it does not rely on any 
electrical components to run.  I might be persuaded at some point to try a 
bluetec engine, but I doubt I will ever be as comfortable with it as I am 
with mechanical injection.


At 09:43 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote:

dave walton wrote:
> If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last
> 300kmi.

A rather large number of HIGHWAY driven '98-99 E300TDs have rolled up
well over 200kmi - mostly without major problems. It's a matter of how
much they are driven and for how long. A diesel driven 25-30kmi a year
will probably last for 250-300kmi, but one driven 10 kmi a year won't
last 250-300kmi. The new cars will NOT last a long time - they are only
expected to least about 10-15 years so 100-150kmi is about as long as
they will go.

Marshall
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   "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E

[Rich Thomas]

The issue is not likely to be the mechanicals and their longevity, it 
will be the electronics crapping out, and extreemly expensive 
modules will have to be diagonosed, replaced, etc. if the owner 
chooses.  You are correct in that these are time-dependent, as opposed 
to miles.  I would expect that in a few years you will see lots of nice 
used cars (Benzes and everything else) sitting around that are inop due 
to the electronics problems.  They will probably get shipped to Mexico 
(or Oklahoma?), "fixed" in some fashion, resold...


My neighbor had a C class wagon, it was constantly frying various 
electrical/onic bits, she finally got them to take it back on trade-in 
for a newer one, which is behaving a bit better.  Wonder where that nice 
"new" car ended up.


--R

Marshall Booth wrote:


dave walton wrote:
 


If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last
300kmi.
   



A rather large number of HIGHWAY driven '98-99 E300TDs have rolled up 
well over 200kmi - mostly without major problems. It's a matter of how 
much they are driven and for how long. A diesel driven 25-30kmi a year 
will probably last for 250-300kmi, but one driven 10 kmi a year won't 
last 250-300kmi. The new cars will NOT last a long time - they are only 
expected to least about 10-15 years so 100-150kmi is about as long as 
they will go.


Marshall
 

Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E

[Marshall Booth]

dave walton wrote:

If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last
300kmi.


A rather large number of HIGHWAY driven '98-99 E300TDs have rolled up 
well over 200kmi - mostly without major problems. It's a matter of how 
much they are driven and for how long. A diesel driven 25-30kmi a year 
will probably last for 250-300kmi, but one driven 10 kmi a year won't 
last 250-300kmi. The new cars will NOT last a long time - they are only 
expected to least about 10-15 years so 100-150kmi is about as long as 
they will go.


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E

[dave walton]

If the 99 E-Class is any example, the new Mercedes will seldom if ever last
300kmi.

-Dave Walton
94S350, 99E300

On 4/26/06, Tom Hargrave <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> Ulra low sulpher diesel is the key. Mercedes pulled their newer disel line
> from the US market because of the sulpher content of our fuel, stating
> longevity and warranty issues. What other car maker in the world would not
> sell to the greatest consumer market in the world because the cars might
> only last 200,000 miles instead of 300,000 miles??
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Hargrave
> 256-656-1924
> www.kegkits.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Tuesday, April 25, 2006 3:30 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E
>
> > < > more cars. I know that folks who buy a new MB can usually afford to
> > put gasoline in the tank, but at the same time, there must be a large
> > cross section that would like to be able to say they get really good
> > mileage in their new XX class MB. Donchathink?>>
> >
> You gotta keep up, Slater. The new V-6 4-cam twin-turbo 4th generation
> common-rail diesel will be available in the G, M, C & E series as '07
> models
> when ultra-low sulfur diesel becomes available.
>
> RLE
>
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Re: [MBZ] How far can you drive on a bushel of corn?, Crunching the numbers on alternative fuels.

[lee]

On Wednesday 26 April 2006 7:48, Rich Thomas wrote:
> http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2690341.html?page=1&c=y
>

Not a bad article with respect to biodiesel, but they missed a couple of 
facts; 

The first is that you also have better lubricity with biodiesel, arguably 
leading to longer engine life. 

The second is that fuel additives can eliminate the need for heated fuel 
storage tanks in cold climates. 

Lee

Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There is a link for used parts at the bottom of each message, in fact, 
that is what pays for this list.


archer wrote:

Does anyone have a good "temperature wheel" assembly available for an '83 
240D?
When we bought the car the a/c would cycle off and on according to where the 
wheel was set.  A few years ago it quit working so the a/c now cools all the 
time.Can a resoldering fix this one like the type III was fixed?

Gerry Archer
'83 240D and 300D



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 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pickups

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

There is a guy here who will also be at the OkieQ who has a 60 something 
for with a 603 installed.


Loren Faeth wrote:

Why not use a 617 or a 602/603?  They are A LOT quieter.  I knew a guy who 
had a 60 something IH pickup with an  old OM 636 in it.  (180D)  He loved 
it.  That was only what?  Maybe 40 -45 hp?  Even a 240D will pull a pickup 
with the right gearing.   I'd prefer the 3 liter size myself so it could 
make good speed rolling along the interstate, and have decent 
acceleration.   The engine is a lot more common/easy to find also




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 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Hey All You Okies..

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

yes, its 46 right now.

OK Don wrote:


Yes on this end -- closest one that I've heard about is 30 miles West of us.
Now the NW corner is expecting frost tonight -- after being over 90
two days ago.




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 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL, 85 380SE, 85 300D,
 84 190D 2.2, 83 300TD, 81 300TD, 81 240D, 81 240D,
 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250
http://www.striplin.net

Re: [MBZ] Hey All You Okies..

[Kaleb C. Striplin]

fine here, I only know about 1 though.

Bob Rentfro wrote:


All yous guys make it untouched through all the OK tornados they are showing on 
my news?

Bob Rentfro 
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 76 450SEL, 76 240D, 76 300D, 74 240D, 72 250C, 69 250
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Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[archer]

Does anyone have a good "temperature wheel" assembly available for an '83 
240D?
When we bought the car the a/c would cycle off and on according to where the 
wheel was set.  A few years ago it quit working so the a/c now cools all the 
time.Can a resoldering fix this one like the type III was fixed?

Gerry Archer
'83 240D and 300D

- Original Message - 
From: "Mathieu J. Cama" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "Mercedes Discussion List" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, April 26, 2006 9:09 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?



yes, it is for the a/c.

mathieu

On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:54 AM, John Ervine wrote:


Craig McCluskey wrote:


Maybe a temperature wheel, like on 240Ds?


Sounds like it to me.

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[John Ervine]

Joe Knight wrote:
Temp selector wheel, eh...   Illuminating but not very encouraging. 
Glad I opted for the $3 black plastic version rather than the $150

zebrano.  Any ideas as to what might better serve to fill that
particular void?  Unfortunately the hole is not sized to accept a
standard switch & I'm not finding anything in the epc that looks to be
better suited.


You could always swap over to the dual zone manual climate controls...  :-D

--
John L. Ervine
1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi

[MBZ] How far can you drive on a bushel of corn?, Crunching the numbers on alternative fuels.

[Rich Thomas]

http://www.popularmechanics.com/science/earth/2690341.html?page=1&c=y

[MBZ] 92 Oldsmobile 98 still For sale

[Donald Snook]

I haven't done anything to try to sell the My 92 Olds 98, but I hope to
this weekend.   If anyone wants a nice grampa car with all the extra
amenities and pretty good fuel mileage email me off list.  I lowered the
price. 

 

Donald H. Snook

McDonald, Tinker, Skaer, Quinn & Herrington, P.A. 

300 West Douglas

P.O. Box 207

Wichita, Kansas 67201 0207

Tel. (316) 263-5851

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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pickups

[Loren Faeth]

Why not use a 617 or a 602/603?  They are A LOT quieter.  I knew a guy who 
had a 60 something IH pickup with an  old OM 636 in it.  (180D)  He loved 
it.  That was only what?  Maybe 40 -45 hp?  Even a 240D will pull a pickup 
with the right gearing.   I'd prefer the 3 liter size myself so it could 
make good speed rolling along the interstate, and have decent 
acceleration.   The engine is a lot more common/easy to find also


At 08:16 AM 4/26/2006, you wrote:
I've been thinking about this conversion alot lately and how many cool 
vehicles you could but a 4BT in. Especially thinking about the '6x 
International pickup (C1100 I think) I looked at the other day. Had a very 
tired 266 v8 in it (is that a smokescreen?) and would rock with a 
diesel Sigh, gotta buy a house first. I'm SURE my landlord would 
disapprove.


  -Curt

  Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:46:29 -0400
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He wants $15K for the kit, which includes 4BT engine, new frame-side
mounts, adapter plate for the tranny and the electronic control unit for
the tranny.  I am buying his prototype for quite a bit less with 3K
miles on it so he can finance a Excursion conversion.  Yes, I know, why on
earth would you do that, but he owns a light-diesel repair shop so he
can afford it.

Todd Smith  '85 300CD 248K



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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen boost gimmicks?

[lee]

On Tuesday 25 April 2006 8:38, David Brodbeck wrote:

> A gimmick, sure, but not really a "liberal" one.  Actually, the first
> time I remember hearing about it was when Bush introduced it as a
> replacement for the Clinton-era "supercar" project, which had focused on
> creating high-mileage gasoline cars. 

Not a Republican or Democratic cause, but rather a Corporatist cause, which I 
think tends to speak to both major  parties. Hydrogen-powered cars would be 
impractical, and produce no decrease in pollution unless the H2 was generated 
by "green" electricity such as that from solar cells and windmills, but who 
cares? The pivotal issue, from the vantage of the republicratic party, is 
that suppliers of electricity will get rich, rich, rich as the demand 
escalates in order to produce the hydrogen. 

Ken Lay is pleased, I am sure. And what could be more important than that?

Lee

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pickups

[Curt Raymond]

The thing that concerns me about this is that it doesn't appear he spent any 
time cleaning the engine up before moving it in. If I were doing it and this 
were going to be a conversion I planned on marketing that engine would be 
beautiful going in and the pictures would be really nice beauty shots. As it is 
it could be mechanically a great conversion but it looks *ahem* rough.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 18:48:13 -0400
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Hello Kaleb,

It was my understanding that the Frito-Lay delivery vans were having 
serious issues with the SB Chevy that was in them and that a Cummins 
sales agent got wind of this and proposed a drop-in replacement.  While 4BT 
engines are available, the engines with the SB Chevy bolt-pattern are 
highly prized.  The engine that is in the truck that I am looking at 
came from a forklift so I am a little bit concerned about high-mileage but 
if it checks out when I see it then I think I will be okay.

Todd Smith  '85 300CD 248K



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What does that mean, "mutilation required?"

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OK Don wrote:

>Any guesses as to just what these are?
>
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Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pickups

[Curt Raymond]

I've been thinking about this conversion alot lately and how many cool vehicles 
you could but a 4BT in. Especially thinking about the '6x International pickup 
(C1100 I think) I looked at the other day. Had a very tired 266 v8 in it (is 
that a smokescreen?) and would rock with a diesel Sigh, gotta buy a house 
first. I'm SURE my landlord would disapprove.
   
  -Curt
   
  Date: Tue, 25 Apr 2006 17:46:29 -0400
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He wants $15K for the kit, which includes 4BT engine, new frame-side 
mounts, adapter plate for the tranny and the electronic control unit for 
the tranny.  I am buying his prototype for quite a bit less with 3K 
miles on it so he can finance a Excursion conversion.  Yes, I know, why on 
earth would you do that, but he owns a light-diesel repair shop so he 
can afford it.

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Temp selector wheel, eh...   Illuminating but not very encouraging.=20
Glad I opted for the $3 black plastic version rather than the $150
zebrano.  Any ideas as to what might better serve to fill that
particular void?  Unfortunately the hole is not sized to accept a
standard switch & I'm not finding anything in the epc that looks to be
better suited.

joe

Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E

[Marshall Booth]

Tom Hargrave wrote:

Ulra low sulpher diesel is the key. Mercedes pulled their newer disel line
from the US market because of the sulpher content of our fuel, stating
longevity and warranty issues. What other car maker in the world would not
sell to the greatest consumer market in the world because the cars might
only last 200,000 miles instead of 300,000 miles??


The use of higher sulfur fuels can cause SERIOUS and EXPENSIVE emissions 
related engine problems (covered by extended warranties and governed by 
EPA) in a rather short period of time - especially if the car is driven 
in the usual US city cycle. Mercedes lost their shirt on the trap 
oxidizer introduced in the mid '80s. Cost them between $2-3k per car 
(and there were more than 25,000 cars) to straighten that out. With high 
sulfur fuel and a CDI diesel with advance emissions controls the cost 
would be MUCH higher per car.


Marshall
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  "der Dieseling Doktor" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
'87 300TD 182Kmi, '85 190D 2.0 161Kmi, '87 190D 2.5 turbo 237kmi, '84 
190D 2.2 229Kmi (retired)

Re: [MBZ] OT - Lister Diesel engines and ???

[OK Don]

There's also the question of what does "Mutilation Required" mean in
the description???

On 4/26/06, OK Don <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It might be possible - depending on the work schedule. Loks like the
> only real viewing time is Monday - "Open 8:00 to 12:00 & 1:00 to 2:30.
> NO FRIDAYS. No Customer Escorting Available For Preview." - and
> Tuesday just before bidding closes. The lot is three units.
>
> >
> > Are you close enough to look at they units, Don?
> >
> > At 10:14 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:
> > >Any guesses as to just what these are?
> > >
> > >http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=842624&convertTo=USD
> > >
>
>
> --
> OK Don, KD5NRO
> Norman, OK
> "The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
> exhausted all the alternatives."
> Sir Winston Churchill
> '90 300D 243K, Rattled
> '87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
> '81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
> '78 450SLC 67K, brown car
> '97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go
>


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Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[Mathieu J . Cama]

yes, it is for the a/c.

mathieu

On Apr 26, 2006, at 12:54 AM, John Ervine wrote:


Craig McCluskey wrote:


Maybe a temperature wheel, like on 240Ds?


Sounds like it to me.

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Re: [MBZ] OT - Lister Diesel engines and ???

[OK Don]

It might be possible - depending on the work schedule. Loks like the
only real viewing time is Monday - "Open 8:00 to 12:00 & 1:00 to 2:30.
NO FRIDAYS. No Customer Escorting Available For Preview." - and
Tuesday just before bidding closes. The lot is three units.

>
> Are you close enough to look at they units, Don?
>
> At 10:14 PM 4/25/2006, you wrote:
> >Any guesses as to just what these are?
> >
> >http://cgi.govliquidation.com/auction/view?id=842624&convertTo=USD
> >


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Norman, OK
"The Americans will always do the right thing... after they've
exhausted all the alternatives."
Sir Winston Churchill
'90 300D 243K, Rattled
'87 300SDL 290K, Limo Lite, or blue car
'81 240D 173K, Gramps, or yellow car
'78 450SLC 67K, brown car
'97 Ply Grand Voyager 78K Van Go

Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pickups

[Potter, Tom E]

A balance shaft is not the same as a harmonic balancer per se, though it
is a "harmonic balancer" in the generic sense. A balance shaft is
similar to a camshaft and is usually driven by the same chain or gear
drive as the camshaft. It is used mostly on 4-cylinders to counter the
inherent vibrations. Some cheap 4-cylinders just use large rubber engine
mounts.

There is some good info on balance shafts and vibration here:

http://www.aphkac.com/automotive/technical/balance/ 

Tom Potter

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Thanks Mitch,

How would I tell if it has a balance shaft or not?  Are you referring to
the harmonic balancer?  Would it be possible to add one later?  My
primary purpose is mainly daily drive with some general purpose hauling
and maybe towing my parents stranded vehicle with a U-Haul dolly.  

Todd Smith

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It is basically 2/3 of the 6BT that Dodge used to use. (like a 602 is
5/6 of a 603)
The desireable versions have inline pumps and balance shafts. The inline
6 is naturally balanced, but the four without the shaft is reputed to be
shaky. It shouldn't be any harder to build a 250hp 4BT than a 400HP 6BT
if you want to go that route. (but keep in mind that the F150 frame
isn't as strong as the F250, and it is possible to twist it with enough
torque and low gearing)


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Re: [MBZ] Colors

[Potter, Tom E]

I remember that in the '50s you could easily order special packages from
the dealer. It would take a couple of months to get your car, but I knew
several guys that ordered special paint/interior/engine combinations. I
think the dealers just don't want to make the effort now. They just want
to sell what is on their lot at the moment.

Tom Potter



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Subject: Re: [MBZ] Colors


> When I ordered my '01, the MB Taste Police would not allow a
> tannish (now called Java) interior with any of the colors I wanted.
> Metallic red, for example.

Let me get this straight. You ordered the car, built to your needs and
desires. You wanted an interior that was available for that model,
combined with an exterior that was available for that model, and the
computer wouldn't allow the dealer to process the order that way?
If I were the would-be customer, that would be a NO SALE until the
dealer got on the phone with HQ and found a way to place the order the
way I wanted it.  

I remember a story from the early 1990's. The police chief from a small
place in California (La Jolla, perhaps?) went into a Saturn dealer (no
police package on the order form there) and wanted a couple of black 
cars with white doors, hoods, and trunk lids. Salesman said "let me
check on it, we've never done that before". The order was submitted that
same day, and the chief had his economy cop cars a month or two
later. Saturn used it as an example of why they were a different sort
of car company, but why can't it be that way at every car maker? 
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Re: [MBZ] Kevin is selling his CD

[kevin kraly]

Hopefully,not quite yet!  I've got the car washed, the garage is cleaned 
out, the car is now in it's place, hood opened and ready for the valve 
adjustment tomorrow.  If I end up getting it running, you guys will be the 
first to know!  If it's a runner, it's probably a $2000 OBO car as it sits, 
most likely worth even more as things get sorted out.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon
Giesela, 1981 300CD 204K miles, ready for minor surgery 

Re: [MBZ] LT Don needs a car

[Ed Booher]

My only head start is an add in Craiglist from a guy looking for "Used
Japanese car" and I just happen to have a Mitsu I've been trying to
sell. Other than that, my money stays tight. Family to feed an all
that, I'm sure you sympathize with the condition.

On 4/26/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You may have a head start.  I just sprang the idea on SWMBA and I may
> have better luck getting Mistress Jill to pay up.  But with the great
> spreadsheet I just did to show it may be profitable, who can tell?


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Re: [MBZ] Free 86 Benz

[Ed Booher]

If it is truly free, as in here's title now drag it away please, even
without a key how could it not be worth it, yes? I mean, stripping it
for parts would more than make for trouble of having to drag home,
wouldn't it?

On 4/26/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> http://seattle.craigslist.org/zip/154375764.html
>
> I have no idea, but I may have to go look at it and take it home.
>
> --
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>
> 1972 220D - Gump
> 1995 E300D - Cleo
> 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA
> The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz
>
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Re: [MBZ] LT Don needs a car

[redghost]

You may have a head start.  I just sprang the idea on SWMBA and I may 
have better luck getting Mistress Jill to pay up.  But with the great 
spreadsheet I just did to show it may be profitable, who can tell?


On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 10:51 PM, Ed Booher wrote:


So it's a race to see who can wheedle spare cash first, ay?
Muhahahahaah! I accept your conditions!

On 4/26/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

I am thinking that the car Booher had me check out would make a good
short term investment to triple value with all the PnP parts I have
collected.  Ed better get on it before I am able to wheedle some spare
cash and wrest that car away from the seller.



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Re: [MBZ] Dealing with MBUSA

[redghost]

But they all are looking like things on the Dodge lot.  Why would I 
spend $80k on a car that looks like the Crossfire?  Just because it has 
a big R in the designation?  I think not!



On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 09:30 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>



Dream on. MBUSA did not want to be bothered with too many choices. A 
computer
doesn't come into it. As far as lying down on the floor, holding my 
breath

and kicking my heels, it won't work. Take it or leave it.

I think things have changed in the last five years. First, there is 
the MB
worldwide quality scandal which has torpedoed sales numbers and cut 
sales comm
issions. Second, there are now a helluva lot of good cars fishing in 
MB's

fishing hole.

So now, MB is putting that behind them by bringing out new models such 
as the

S-Class and the revising the E-Class to tide them over until the new E
arrives in '09. The all-new C is due early next year along with the G 
alongside the

old G for the well heeled traditionalists. And the M is new, of course.

And it looks like diesel power will be coming for all of them, most 
likely
BlueTec. The revised E (due out this month) offers four diesels in 
Europe
including the new 4.0 TT V-8. My copy of Auto motor und Sport arrived 
today with a
big atricle on the revised E and the AMG 6.3 version of the CLK and 
others.
And, the name Hammer is coming   back with two AMG V-8s, one with more 
than 600HP

and nearly 500 ft lbs torque.

RLE

 
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Re: [MBZ] LT Don needs a car

[Ed Booher]

So it's a race to see who can wheedle spare cash first, ay?
Muhahahahaah! I accept your conditions!

On 4/26/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I am thinking that the car Booher had me check out would make a good
> short term investment to triple value with all the PnP parts I have
> collected.  Ed better get on it before I am able to wheedle some spare
> cash and wrest that car away from the seller.


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Re: [MBZ] Mr. Cathey goes shopping

[redghost]

Saw the ad again.  Maybe said 240D would move faster were it on this 
side of the mountains.  I am sure I know a place that it could be 
watched over and shown to prospective buyers.  Little house on the 
corner with a few Benz in front


On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 08:32 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/153896728.html

Maybe he died and his wife is ridding herself of his junk.


"Over the many years on his farm he has amassed...He is hard of
hearing. Do not trespass, speak w/him first."

Maybe he didn't hear his wife tell him she was sick of all
of it and was taking out out the ad!


Either way, Jim must need to come rescue some of these at $100 a pop


Discretionary funds (and political capital) are all tied up in the 
240D.


-- Jim


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Re: [MBZ] Diesel G and M and C and E

[Tom Hargrave]

Ulra low sulpher diesel is the key. Mercedes pulled their newer disel line
from the US market because of the sulpher content of our fuel, stating
longevity and warranty issues. What other car maker in the world would not
sell to the greatest consumer market in the world because the cars might
only last 200,000 miles instead of 300,000 miles??

Thanks,
Tom Hargrave
256-656-1924
www.kegkits.com

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> < more cars. I know that folks who buy a new MB can usually afford to 
> put gasoline in the tank, but at the same time, there must be a large 
> cross section that would like to be able to say they get really good 
> mileage in their new XX class MB. Donchathink?>>
> 
You gotta keep up, Slater. The new V-6 4-cam twin-turbo 4th generation
common-rail diesel will be available in the G, M, C & E series as '07 models
when ultra-low sulfur diesel becomes available.

RLE


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Re: [MBZ] Can't stand by and Not do Anything

[redghost]

We have regular petrol going for $3.  BioD is under $3, and #2 is 
headed above $3.27.  The CL ads have all sorts of people willing to 
trade newer sporty cars for an old diesel benz.  That along with the 
folks willing to part with their w123 for under $2k.


On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 07:38 PM, Bob Morrison wrote:

Time to voice your opinion if you don't like the price of fuel.  
Diesel, by

the way, in Kalamazoo is 2.999/ gallon today.


http://www.michigan.gov/som/0,1607,7-192--141415--,00.html



Bob Morrison
223 Buchanan Ave.
Kalamazoo, MI
49001-5326



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Re: [MBZ] LT Don needs a car

[redghost]

Congratulation on having your female off spring attending Cornell.  I 
understand that medical experimentation pays well, and you may be in a 
prime demographic to avail yourself of multiple studies to supplement 
your income.


I am thinking that the car Booher had me check out would make a good 
short term investment to triple value with all the PnP parts I have 
collected.  Ed better get on it before I am able to wheedle some spare 
cash and wrest that car away from the seller.


Then there is that free 86 Benz.  Wonder how much of a hole that will 
be in the wallet.


On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 06:52 PM, LT Don wrote:

LT Don's daughter will be off in September to a private college where, 
as

they say in Algebra, (tuition > Dad's Annual Income).

http://www.cornellcollege.edu/

I love my Trek bicycle, I love ...

D.

On 4/25/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/153596003.html

Time to add to your stable Don.  Cream 240D stick.  Seller got a job 
he
can walk to and is willing to part with this for $1700.  I could 
deliver


No affiliation


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Re: [MBZ] Mr. Cathey goes shopping

[redghost]

We revel in the nut cases.  If  you have been reading the Seattle Times 
series on sexual predators this week, you know that for a paltry $40 
and background check you too can become a "counselor" and provide 
"Therapy".  no real training needed, just get the paper and hang out 
your shingle.


Maybe Mistress Jill should have done that.

On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 06:27 PM, Zeitgeist wrote:


Gawd, that guy sounds like the quintessential rural Warshingtonian
eccentric nutcase.  Could just as easily be a far rightwing wacko, as
a loony Lefty screwball.  We welcome all types of nutcases up here.

On 4/25/06, redghost <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

http://seattle.craigslist.org/car/153896728.html

Looks like this fellow has a Kaleb lot filled with cars.  Maybe he 
died
and his wife is ridding herself of his junk.  Either way, Jim must 
need

to come rescue some of these at $100 a pop


Casey
Olympia, WA
Biodiesel: "I drive in a persistent vegetative state"
'87 300TD intercooler (212k)
'84 300D (211k)
Gashuffer:
'89 Vanagon Wolfsburg Edition (187K)

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Re: [MBZ] Hydrogen boost gimmicks?

[redghost]

The swedes and icelanders are using geothermal to process their water.  
No known CO2 waste stream from that electrolysis.  Actually have the 
plants next to the H2 pumps.  Think it is BP running that.  Solar PV 
also was mentioned IIRC.



On Tuesday, April 25, 2006, at 10:57 AM, Peter Frederick wrote:


The only way you are going to extract hydrogen from tap water is
electrolysis, and the energy input is gonna be higher than the output
UNLESS you have very dramatic improvements in combustion.

The latter I don't know about, but the "hydrogen economy" is a load of
bunk.  All commercial hydrogen comes from coal fired electrolysis
plants or processing of natural gas with the release of all the carbon
as CO2.  Sure, it will only produce water and electricity in a fuel
cell (that does not currently fit inside a car and costs $30,000 or
so), but you have to MAKE the hydrogen from somewhere -- it is never
free in nature.

Peter


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[MBZ] Free 86 Benz

[redghost]

http://seattle.craigslist.org/zip/154375764.html

I have no idea, but I may have to go look at it and take it home.

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Re: [MBZ] W123 euro ?

[John Ervine]

Craig McCluskey wrote:


Maybe a temperature wheel, like on 240Ds?


Sounds like it to me.

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1981 240D 4-spd 270+kmi
1980 300TD 175+kmi
1980 300SD 277+kmi
1977 280S 4-spd 81+kmi
1976 350SE 4-spd 163+kmi