Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
The strange thing is that that was the last customs check we did, went through half a dozen checks before that. Also nowhere did I read that things like inflated footballs are a customs no no. I guess now that communism is wearing an expensive business suit and driving a big Benz they have to find something else to scare the masses with, otherwise the people might wake up and figure out who the true enemy is. Heaven ain't sitting on a pile of gold surrounded by barbed wire. - Original Message - From: Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 9:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags Hendrik Riessen wrote: they where interested in my son's football and wanted me to deflate it. Guess they thought there might be a gas inside of it. I dpn't know about your side of the planet, but over here compressed gasses are verboten. They probably didn't want it to pop at altitude. We have to deflate our bicycle tires too, and can't carry CO2 inflators. Always fun pumping up the tires in the lobby with a mini-pump so you can leave the airport. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
the drip method will not work on the 60x engines. Peter Frederick wrote: First thing is to check the cam timing -- when the marks on the cam are lined up, where is the degree wheel on the crankshaft? Make sure you sight over the marks, they are a bit more difficult on the 603 than on the 617. Should be a notch in the thurst washer and a mark on the front cam tower, I don't remember at the moment, will check my book later. Injection timing is more difficult -- you must have the lock tool that screws into the side of the IP at the rear after you take the plug out OR a drip tube of some sort on #1 position on the IP. Not the same timing, either -- if you use the lock tool, the tool should engage the locking tab at 15 degrees ATDC at the crank. Using the drip tube, fuel should stop running out at 26 degrees BTDC as the plunger rises to cover the intake slot in the sleeve inside the pump. If you used a drip tube, you are probably right on for timing and there is something else wrong. Did you put different fuel than usual in the last tank? What color is the smoke? Blue, gray, white, black? Does it idle properly if you push down on the pedal instead of letting the idle control system work? Do you have fuel leaks, either at the injection lines (pump or injectors), or in the fuel lines? The tiny injector lines on these engines crack fairly easily, and it will idle horribly, and the fuel lines can leak air in on the suction side, causing all sorts of running problems. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] need overvoltage relay
I need an overvoltage relay for my 87 300TD. Its the 201 part number that will also work on the 190 I suppose. Think it has 5 prongs. Only ones I have are the newer style with more prongs. Anybody got one? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
I think it's the same in all W124 chassis cars Kaleb. Don't have a spare, though. Peter
Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions
hi Tom! leather is arguably the best for sliding on, but the issue i have with chaps is more related to their lack of padding; if you're lucky enough to get down to the ground without slapping anything on the ground that's fine, but it takes surprisingly little force to bang up a hip or knee to where it can be a life-changing event. having a jacket that goes down below an exposed butt is nice i guess, as long as you don't end up sliding feet-first down the road and having it slide up to leave nothing between you and the pavement but the traditional bit of denim... (i've worked too many accident scenes where people ended up bleeding from places they really didn't want/expect to because they weren't covered where they needed to be when they met the pavement; my jacket and pants *must* zip together to stay where they need to be no matter what angle i might slide at.) i've got a couple of different sets of riding gear; all of it has at least full hip and knee pads below the waist. as it happens, none of my stuff is leather, but that's only due to the relatively narrow temperature range that leather is suitable for. a good suit with adequate ventilation options can combine with a Gore-Tex liner and an electric liner jacket to cover me for whatever temps i'm likely to run into while on tour. i'm not sure how many years back you're talking about, but i've known of many alternatives to BMW gear for many years; in the leather department, i've always been partial to Hein Gericke stuff (though i don't know if it's still available under that name). i end up wearing mostly BMW gear, but it's more because it's one of the few options available in Longs and Talls to fit my high Ape Index than because that's what i ride. cheers! e Tom Hargrave wrote: e, I ride I ride with chaps, leather jacket, boots, gloves a helmet. And all this leather, including the chaps protected me from serious road rash as I went sliding down the pavement at 45 MPH 3-1/2 years ago. Specifically, the chaps protected my left leg left knee. My butt, I'd assume one of the parts you mentioned was hanging out, was protected by my jacket. Jeans or light weight leather pants that are popular with some riders would not have stood up to the damage. I guess this brings me to my point. Chaps are only designed to protect your legs and until a number of years ago, there really was no substitute except for BMW riding gear. You need the correct riding gear for your entire body to be safe. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ernest breakfield Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2007 2:57 PM To: LWB250 Cc: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT: Motorcycle Opinions LOL! you hit on one of my pet Hardly Ableson peeves, and i just can't resist; what the heck are chaps for (aside from providing a certain 'look' in certain bars)? keeping bugs off of your jeans while you ride (although they don't often get worn with jeans in *those* bars you see them in around here,...)? they sure as heck don't provide protection to any bony bits when you fall, and what they leave hanging out is something most people wouldn't be anxious to have collecting scar tissue... in case it's not obvious, i admire little about HD other than their success in marketing a 'lifestyle' (as opposed to their product, which would never sell if based purely on its own merits). cheers! e LWB250 wrote: My wife is a former Harley-Davidson exec. We have closets full of gear. Not an issue. I think I have at least 5 H-D leather jackets at minimum. Chaps, boots, gloves, etc., you name it, I've probably got at least one of everything you would need, at least. My old H-D helmet's padding was sort of ratty, so I went out and bought a new helmet last week. Dan --- ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: $2K? did you already budget separately for dressing to ride? while you can do it for cheaper if you're careful, proper riding gear could easily cost you that much, or even more. proper riding gear = stuff you actually want to have on when (not *if*) you fall off, not the bottle-cap helmets and bar-fight costumes so many Hardly riders seem to be fond of... and don't think i'll get 'X' now and the rest of the stuff later; you're *most* likely to have an incident shortly after just starting or getting back onto a moto. note; don't skimp on boots! while the consequences of not having a helmet should be obvious to anyone with a head worth protecting (wanna' relearn the alphabet *if* you live?), feet are statistically the most likely part of the body to be injured. not being able to walk can put a serious crimp in your style. cheers! e LWB250 wrote: [snippage] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor:
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
Im not sure. I have several 124,s but they all have the 6 (?) prong relay. Peter Frederick wrote: I think it's the same in all W124 chassis cars Kaleb. Don't have a spare, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
well I just checked the EPC and it says they are all the same, on mine, it has 3 prongs on one side and 2 on the other with a plastic prong. Maybe on the 6 prong ones it just doesnt use all the prongs Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Im not sure. I have several 124,s but they all have the 6 (?) prong relay. Peter Frederick wrote: I think it's the same in all W124 chassis cars Kaleb. Don't have a spare, though. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
[MBZ] is Chris Mccann still here?
-- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
201 540 08 45 work for you? Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT 300TD Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need an overvoltage relay for my 87 300TD. Its the 201 part number that will also work on the 190 I suppose. Think it has 5 prongs. Only ones I have are the newer style with more prongs. Anybody got one? - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 01:44:50 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mail.windwireless.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1Hz0rq-00024E-0S for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:44:50 + Received: from mail.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.12] helo=mail.windwireless.net) by ASSP.nospam; 15 Jun 2007 01:44:49 + Received: from windwireless.net (unverified [206.63.94.197]) by windwireless.net (WindPostal) with ESMTP id 3612521 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:53:48 -0700 Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 18:44:43 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-412260344 X-Assp-Delay: not delayed (whitelisted); 15 Jun 2007 01:44:49 + X-Assp-Whitelisted: Yes X-Assp-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Intended-For: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:44:50 - Have you tried resoldering your bad one? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
I have a 1987 MBZ 300D Turbo (603 engine). A few days ago my car began to smoke a little more than normal and ran rougher at idle. I changed the glow plugs and it seemed to make a little difference but then a day later it began to smoke a lot, sound very loud, and would die at idle. Anybody fill it with gasoline lately? Give the filler neck a sniff. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Increasing air flow in Diesel
Friend with 06 Ford F250 Diesel has gotten hyped up about and has ordered parts to, supposedly, increase air flow in his Diesel and, supposedly, increase fuel mileage by 10 to 15 mpg. Parts include Coolair filter and larger exhaust system. Somebody, please remind me about airflow (trying to improve it) in a Diesel, lack of throttling, etc. I'm only aware of improving the air flow, and especially cooling the intake air charge, to gain more horsepower rather than to improve mileage. But I'm spoiled, and can have 25 MPG out of my Dodge any day I care to drive that slowly. (Unloaded.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Why we tech autocross cars
That is rather spectacular. I have a bit of trouble thinking about all of the nuts coming off at the same time like that. I could understand it better if it had wire wheel knock-offs. On 6/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/jamoto2/RX7_Incident_6_10_07_0003.wmv -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Why we tech autocross cars
looked to me like he had just switched to his race wheel/rubber when he got to the track, and never torqued them down properly; after that, it was probably just a matter of getting the car unweighted, and everything went in its own direction. cheers! e OK Don wrote: That is rather spectacular. I have a bit of trouble thinking about all of the nuts coming off at the same time like that. I could understand it better if it had wire wheel knock-offs. On 6/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/jamoto2/RX7_Incident_6_10_07_0003.wmv
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison Someone did have explosives in their shoes - tried to set them off with a lighter though, and another passenger saw it and stopped him. Hence the shoe thing - always an after the fact reaction. On 6/14/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The smarties who think we will submit to turning over our entire income to the political appointees to bribe them to let us have a job. Americans are sheep, the outrage from the stupidity of the search methods should have shut the country down. 9/11 happened because the airlines refused to install proper cockpit doors and didn't take the terrorist threat seriously. Everything else is just BS and does nothing but innur the public to totally unwarrented intrusions on our private lives. I personally think this is quite deliberate, but I won't expand. No one has ever found someone attempting to hijack a plane by forcing them to take their shoes off. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] Why we tech autocross cars
But all the nuts on both sides of the car turned counter-clockwise? What was the force that turned them? On 6/14/07, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looked to me like he had just switched to his race wheel/rubber when he got to the track, and never torqued them down properly; after that, it was probably just a matter of getting the car unweighted, and everything went in its own direction. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
I checked the camshaft timing by the alignment of the groove on the fwd camshaft flange and the raised mark on the most fwd camshaft bearing cap and the reading came to 6 degrees after 'OT'. I had a hard time figuring out the injection timing. I disconnected the rigid line to the #1 fuel injector and put a drip tube on the rigid fuel line. After tapping the ignition to slowly rotate the crankshaft I hardly got any fuel to come out and I tried at different crankshaft positions but could not determine when fuel began to come. Am I doing this method correctly? I don't notice any fuel leaks around the lines. Though I am not sure how to check the lines for an air leak. By doing a visual they look ok. I replaced all the rigid fuel lines and hoses last year when 3 different lines began to leak last summer. The smoke color is a white/grey and it's not a vapor, it's thick smoke. I don't have any oil in my coolant reservoir or any coolant on the dipstick. And it still idles rough even when the pedal is down, although it is less likely to die. I also put in the same diesel fuel as I normally do. The ABS 'brake' light does extinguish while the engine is running and my tach quit working last year. I will pick up some diesel purge this weekend. Thank you for your continued help.
Re: [MBZ] Why we tech autocross cars
let me re-phrase; i'm not assuming they were ever torqued *on*, or perhaps not more than perhaps a few threads. of course, it's also possible that with his cutesy wheels he got new lug nuts that may or may not have fit,... cheers! e OK Don wrote: But all the nuts on both sides of the car turned counter-clockwise? What was the force that turned them? On 6/14/07, ernest breakfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: looked to me like he had just switched to his race wheel/rubber when he got to the track, and never torqued them down properly; after that, it was probably just a matter of getting the car unweighted, and everything went in its own direction.
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
yea thats the one Frederick Moir wrote: 201 540 08 45 work for you? Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT 300TD Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I need an overvoltage relay for my 87 300TD. Its the 201 part number that will also work on the 190 I suppose. Think it has 5 prongs. Only ones I have are the newer style with more prongs. Anybody got one? - Pinpoint customers who are looking for what you sell. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
Yeah, I don't doubt there are other potential shoe bombers out there... On 6/14/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison Someone did have explosives in their shoes - tried to set them off with a lighter though, and another passenger saw it and stopped him. Hence the shoe thing - always an after the fact reaction. On 6/14/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The smarties who think we will submit to turning over our entire income to the political appointees to bribe them to let us have a job. Americans are sheep, the outrage from the stupidity of the search methods should have shut the country down. 9/11 happened because the airlines refused to install proper cockpit doors and didn't take the terrorist threat seriously. Everything else is just BS and does nothing but innur the public to totally unwarrented intrusions on our private lives. I personally think this is quite deliberate, but I won't expand. No one has ever found someone attempting to hijack a plane by forcing them to take their shoes off. Peter -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
no, do tell Jim Cathey wrote: Have you tried resoldering your bad one? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
As I said before, you cant use the drip method on 603 engines. You can only use the lock tool or the digital tester Ken Rushing wrote: I checked the camshaft timing by the alignment of the groove on the fwd camshaft flange and the raised mark on the most fwd camshaft bearing cap and the reading came to 6 degrees after 'OT'. I had a hard time figuring out the injection timing. I disconnected the rigid line to the #1 fuel injector and put a drip tube on the rigid fuel line. After tapping the ignition to slowly rotate the crankshaft I hardly got any fuel to come out and I tried at different crankshaft positions but could not determine when fuel began to come. Am I doing this method correctly? I don't notice any fuel leaks around the lines. Though I am not sure how to check the lines for an air leak. By doing a visual they look ok. I replaced all the rigid fuel lines and hoses last year when 3 different lines began to leak last summer. The smoke color is a white/grey and it's not a vapor, it's thick smoke. I don't have any oil in my coolant reservoir or any coolant on the dipstick. And it still idles rough even when the pedal is down, although it is less likely to die. I also put in the same diesel fuel as I normally do. The ABS 'brake' light does extinguish while the engine is running and my tach quit working last year. I will pick up some diesel purge this weekend. Thank you for your continued help. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
I've wondered why they've never asked me to remove my Indiana Jones hat --- On 6/14/07, andrew strasfogel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yeah, I don't doubt there are other potential shoe bombers out there... -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
[MBZ] Another rusty area of the 201 chassis
http://forum.mbspares.com.au/viewtopic.php?p=25595#25595
[MBZ] Anyone have any ideas
http://forum.mbspares.com.au/viewtopic.php?t=4033highlight=
Re: [MBZ] Why we tech autocross cars
Now tell me again, how did you people manage to get to the moon? Ahh that's right, you had a German running the show. Anyway what appears to have happend is that the nuts came off but the wheels stayed on until the car got airborne and the weight came off the wheels. - Original Message - From: OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 11:20 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Why we tech autocross cars That is rather spectacular. I have a bit of trouble thinking about all of the nuts coming off at the same time like that. I could understand it better if it had wire wheel knock-offs. On 6/14/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://webzoom.freewebs.com/jamoto2/RX7_Incident_6_10_07_0003.wmv
Re: [MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
In a message dated 6/14/2007 7:35:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I checked the camshaft timing by the alignment of the groove on the fwd camshaft flange and the raised mark on the most fwd camshaft bearing cap and the reading came to 6 degrees after 'OT'. I had a hard time figuring out the injection timing. I disconnected the rigid line to the #1 fuel injector and put a drip tube on the rigid fuel line. After tapping the ignition to slowly rotate the crankshaft I hardly got any fuel to come out and I tried at different crankshaft positions but could not determine when fuel began to come. Am I doing this method correctly? I don't notice any fuel leaks around Ken, It really sounds like you got a bad load of fuel, lots of water in it! Maybe a kid emptied his water bottle in your tank. 6 degrees of stretch is a lot but would not cause the sudden smoking and loss of power. Most of us check the cam timing about 3 times minimum, and average the results. You are NOT checking fuel injection timing correctly. Primarily, injection timing is measured at the point that the plunger CLOSES the source of fuel and begins to stroke whatever fuel is trapped above the plunger. This is probably not your problem anyway keep us informed, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] No wheel Mazda
That is rather spectacular. I have a bit of trouble thinking about all of the nuts coming off at the same time like that. I could understand it better if it had wire wheel knock-offs. More info: http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/248754.aspx RLE ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com.
Re: [MBZ] No wheel Mazda
So I guess the wrong wheel nuts where used, when under load they may well have shot off with pressure. Reminds me of that mars explorer that went down in flames because they got mixed up between the imperial and metric systems. Guess you yanks are still waiting for the world to change to the superior system. - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] No wheel Mazda That is rather spectacular. I have a bit of trouble thinking about all of the nuts coming off at the same time like that. I could understand it better if it had wire wheel knock-offs. More info: http://sccaforums.com/forums/thread/248754.aspx RLE
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
no, do tell Have you tried resoldering your bad one? Open it up and resolder all the connections. Amazing how much electronics there are in these cars that seem susceptible to this repair. You always hear about ACC and Cruise, but OVP relays, timer relays, Klima relays, etc., respond positively too. And hey, it didn't work _before_ you started messing with it, you don't have a lot to lose. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
the reading came to 6 degrees after 'OT'. I had a hard time figuring out the injection timing. I disconnected the rigid line to the #1 fuel injector and put a drip tube on the rigid fuel line. After tapping the ignition to slowly rotate the crankshaft I hardly got any fuel to come out and I tried at different crankshaft positions but could not determine when fuel began to come. Am I doing this method correctly? No, not at all! It is almost beyond belief that you would have had a sudden timing change that didn't either stop or ruin the engine. I would look elsewhere, starting with fuel quality. What have you done to me lately is a very good operating principle. My wife, for example, had filled up the car 4 miles before she called me stating that it was noisy, weak, smoky, and wouldn't idle. Gasoline will do that. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] need overvoltage relay
yea, thats true Jim Cathey wrote: no, do tell Have you tried resoldering your bad one? Open it up and resolder all the connections. Amazing how much electronics there are in these cars that seem susceptible to this repair. You always hear about ACC and Cruise, but OVP relays, timer relays, Klima relays, etc., respond positively too. And hey, it didn't work _before_ you started messing with it, you don't have a lot to lose. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Why we tech autocross cars
OK - I'm dense - how did the nuts come off during the first seconds of the run? On 6/14/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now tell me again, how did you people manage to get to the moon? Ahh that's right, you had a German running the show. Anyway what appears to have happend is that the nuts came off but the wheels stayed on until the car got airborne and the weight came off the wheels. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
Bill R wrote: I have an insulin pump that can't be removed Interesting Bill. Have the screeners ever asked to see your ID card? The reason I ask - I also have an implanted med pump for pain meds and have never been asked for my ID card. They use the wand which only confirms I have something near my left waist. I could be carrying a bomb or gun under my clothes. I haven't gone thru airport security but have entered some courthouses. Just wondering. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags I too have problems with that and frequently do not remove my shoes in line. I tell them I need to be hand checked, and then remove my shoes when I am in the chair. There have been times [prior to using Velcro] when I just told them I couldn't take them off and they tested them for trace elements while they were on my feet. Took a bit longer but was easier on me. Perhaps I get away with that because I have an insulin pump that can't be removed, but they don't know that at first. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags I flew up to New Hampshire a couple of years ago to go up to Maine and pickup a car. I had 2 suitcases loaded down with tools and spares checked in I even put a note on the outside and spoke to the inspector personally to tell them what was in there ( I figured a few things like multimeters and some odd tools would send them running for the exits if it showed up on the x ray) When I got to the other end, the things had all kinds of inspection tags inside signed by everyone in the place, with HEAVY warning stickers all over them. That didn't bother me any, it was having to pull my shoes off and put them along with my walking stick on the xray belt and try to hobble through the metal detector without them, then attempt to put the shoes back on with nowhere to sit down while they barked at me to hurry up that irked me to no end. I don't bend that way anymore. You've got to wonder who comes up with this stuff. Robert Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: Opened them up to discover a TSA car saying they searched one of the bags. It was the bag with the laptop, Iway, and video camera. Guess it looked like a bomb I have been flying all over the place about once a week for the last 8-10 weeks. Everytime I fly I get one of those cards that says that they searched my bags. I also had 5 trips in a row where they lost my luggage on the return trip. I got to know the luggage customer service counter people by name. The bags have always showed up the next day. 4 of the trips were on America West and 1 was on United. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.15/848 - Release Date: 6/13/2007 12:50 PM
Re: [MBZ] No wheel Mazda
NO - we're just like an ocean liner - too big to turn around that fast. Give us another hundred years or two --- On 6/14/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I guess the wrong wheel nuts where used, when under load they may well have shot off with pressure. Reminds me of that mars explorer that went down in flames because they got mixed up between the imperial and metric systems. Guess you yanks are still waiting for the world to change to the superior system. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK If Tyranny and Oppression come to this land, it will be in the guise of fighting a foreign enemy. -James Madison '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
I went to the parts car and found that it does have the throttle damper on it. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a sluggish oil-filled thing, or more of an air-filled damper. I'll have to find out, this one is definitely not full of oil. It was not clear where the other end of the damper hooked on the parts car, there was nothing obvious left in place. That could be fun. Does anybody know the answers to these two questions? Anybody at all? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 19, Issue 79
[MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo I'll drain the fuel and put new fuel in. I do work in a rough area of town and I don't always lock my car like I should. Maybe someone did decide to put something in my tank. Thanks.
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Yesterday I stopped by the local Bosch injection pump service place. He said they'd be happy to look it over to give an estimate of what they think it might need, but was unwilling to even guess a price range beyond $75-$375. He also said that they are extraordinarily reliable, and that they hadn't seen one in maybe two years. (Their bread and butter is the rotary IP from the Cummins 24-valve motor. They see a lot of those, about half due to low fuel pressure [bad pump or clogged filter], and half due to electronics failures. [The latter was news to me.] He said that their test stand for those was in use all day every day. The P7100 used in my 12-valve engine [a pump very like Mercedes' usual fare] is very robust, and while 'too large' for that engine it had been used for emissions purposes, and was 1/3 the cost of the motor. He also said that many folks put auxiliary fuel pumps on their 24-valve motors to try to prevent IP damage, but that they run higher pressure than the 10-15psi it should have and end up blowing the front seal out of the pump, filling the crankcase with fuel. This is also Not Good. He confirmed that a fuel pressure gauge on such trucks was a Very Good Thing.) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] RHD 300SD
Peter Merle wrote: I spoke to a person in Johannesburg who bought a RHD 126 300SD from a scrap dealer. Now these cars were never brought into South Africa and I suspect that a RHD 300SD was never made at the factory . I suspect it was a local conversion of a grey import. Does anyone know if the 300SD's sold in Japan were RHD? There was a problem fitting the steering box AND the turbo into the available space. Maybe some without turbos (OM603.91x) were made). Up through 1989 126.125 were ONLY sold in the US and all had left hand steering. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
Boy howdy! Yesterday I figured out (mostly anyway) how to weld thin sheetmetal with my Lincoln HandyMig. My problem was that the wire speed was too SLOW which caused me to linger and burn holes. With the wire turned up I was actually starting to produce some decent welds. I also noticed yesterday that our microwave has about had it. 4 minutes to warm up a cup of coffee is too long. I've only had the thing 12 years... -Curt Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:00:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. -- Jim - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 14:39:43 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HzCxi-0001f1-VQ for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:39:43 + Received: from bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com ([65.54.246.153] helo=bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com) by ASSP.nospam; 15 Jun 2007 14:39:42 + Received: from hotmail.com ([65.55.140.18]) by bay0-omc2-s17.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:39:40 -0700 Received: from mail pickup service by hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 07:39:40 -0700 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Received: from 72.69.0.185 by BAY135-DAV8.phx.gbl with DAV; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:39:39 + X-Originating-IP: [72.69.0.185] X-Originating-Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] From: Rick Knoble [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:40:00 -0500 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2900.3138 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2900.3138 X-OriginalArrivalTime: 15 Jun 2007 14:39:40.0320 (UTC) FILETIME=[015E7200:01C7AF5B] X-Assp-Delay: not delayed (whitelisted); 15 Jun 2007 14:39:42 + X-Assp-Whitelisted: Yes X-Assp-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Intended-For: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 190dt Owners X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 14:39:43 - Rick, et al. Sent 4 pics offlist. If they don't appear let me know. Fred Moir Lynn MA 190DT 300TD Thanks Fred. Rick Knoble '85 300 CD '87 190 DT
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also noticed yesterday that our microwave has about had it. 4 minutes to warm up a cup of coffee is too long. I've only had the thing 12 years... I've had mine (a Goldstar) for about 20 years. Still working fine. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
it's all madness. i'm not sure how any of these measures could have prevented 9/11 anyway. furthermore, i imagine terrorists are pretty adaptable and simply find the measure that you are checking for . after all, you can't really check for every possibility. On 6/14/07, Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The smarties who think we will submit to turning over our entire income to the political appointees to bribe them to let us have a job. Americans are sheep, the outrage from the stupidity of the search methods should have shut the country down. 9/11 happened because the airlines refused to install proper cockpit doors and didn't take the terrorist threat seriously. Everything else is just BS and does nothing but innur the public to totally unwarrented intrusions on our private lives. I personally think this is quite deliberate, but I won't expand. No one has ever found someone attempting to hijack a plane by forcing them to take their shoes off. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: it's all madness. i'm not sure how any of these measures could have prevented 9/11 anyway. furthermore, i imagine terrorists are pretty adaptable and simply find the measure that you are checking for, after all, you can't really check for every possibility. Agreed, it's very hard to prevent a determined person from doing what he wants to do, especially if he's suicidal. But you can't just do nothing, right? Just let anyone waltz onto a plane, carrying whatever they please? Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
Offer still stands. On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:00:03 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: its got a hard drive problem. It sometimes has read/write errors that eventually corrupt it enough to where it wont run the OS. Luther wrote: I'll give you $50 for it On Wed, 13 Jun 2007 22:23:36 -0500, Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well my other laptop was with me. The sony died again so I checked it, and I didnt have room to carry the other stuff. -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Speaking of this type of work...how do you get the 2 rails on the left side of the head that sit under the timing chain out? I'm having problems getting mine out so I can replace the head Luther On Thu, 14 Jun 2007 11:02:04 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I paint-marked the cam sprocket and chain, the IP sprocket and chain, and the hub of the injection timer where the mark on the shaft of the IP is. (That's a tough one, they're far apart. I tried to line up the mark by eye. If I don't wipe it off it should guarantee that I get the IP back in the same phase it came out in.) Better safe than sorry! I removed the chain tensioner and all five bolts holding in the injection pump. (Three on the flange, the hub bolt, and one on the rear support bracket.) I pulled off the fuel lines and vacuum hoses, then managed to yank the thing out of there. It's a tight fit! With it out the big O-ring flange seal was exposed. It was flattened, though still somewhat flexible and not cracked. Not a smoking gun, but it could well be responsible: the area under the flange was very oily. Of note is that the O-ring seal looks nothing like the (much smaller) seal I'd ordered from Rusty. I think he sent me the internal shaft seal rather than the big flange seal. One can result in oil leaks to the outside world, the other cannot. I will have to get the right one. There is a timing adjustment screw on the back of the timing vault that mates with the IP's flange. That would be handy when making fine adjustments. I went to the parts car and found that it does have the throttle damper on it. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a sluggish oil-filled thing, or more of an air-filled damper. I'll have to find out, this one is definitely not full of oil. It was not clear where the other end of the damper hooked on the parts car, there was nothing obvious left in place. That could be fun. Does anybody know the answers to these two questions? While I was down there I noted that the heat exchanger at the heater tap is sealed with a fat O-ring, and held in place with a spring clip. (The parts car's was undone.) I also grabbed an alternator from out of the back of the '87 TD, we'll see if it's the right one and if it works. I also checked that the parts car's AC compressor is not seized, so we'll be taking that at some point. The IP for the manual transmission car also has a vacuum control valve on the side of it, probably just for the EGR. I'll probably be removing all this stuff anyway, it'll help reassembly and will cut clutter in the car. (The EGR is already gone.) I'm going to call a few Bosch diesel service places in town to see what they'll charge to do a re-seal job on the pump. If it's reasonable I may have that done. (There are a number of places it can leak oil to the outside, and the delivery valve seals should probably be refreshed while they're there.) I don't intend to have a full calibration done as I know that's a not insignificant expense. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
[MBZ] members along I-40 or I-70
I'm headed toward Reno this weekend/early next week. Who lives along either of these interstates? I'm leaning toward staying on I-40, but might change to I-70 if an old friend is home. Who might I visit and or have lunch with along the way? -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
Re: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise
I dunno but I was on a flight that made a go-around once. Coming into LAX, we're down low, everything seems normal. Wait, theres the runway, I've flown alot and it seems like we're not low enough. It also seems like we're going REALLY fast... Then the power comes on, the nose comes up and the pilot tells us he's gonna try that again. Four words to inspire confidence... -Curt Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 08:01:06 -0400 From: LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; format=flowed; charset=iso-8859-1; reply-type=original Hit the numbers - always try to hit the numbers I wonder what, if any stigma or penalty there is for a commercial/heavy (the plane, not the pilot) pilot who must do a go-around because of ...hmmm... what would you call that? Error in judgement? ;-) Must use a lot of fuel to go-around - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ - Fussy? Opinionated? Impossible to please? Perfect. Join Yahoo!'s user panel and lay it on us. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 15:08:19 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mail.windwireless.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HzDPP-0004KT-F6 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:08:19 + Received: from mail.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.12] helo=mail.windwireless.net) by ASSP.nospam; 15 Jun 2007 15:08:19 + Received: from windwireless.net (unverified [206.63.94.197]) by windwireless.net (WindPostal) with ESMTP id 3621661 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:17:24 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:08:12 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-412260344 X-Assp-Delay: not delayed (whitelisted); 15 Jun 2007 15:08:19 + X-Assp-Whitelisted: Yes X-Assp-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Intended-For: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:08:19 - But you can't just do nothing, right? Just let anyone waltz onto a plane, carrying whatever they please? Yep! There's more of us than of them. Just require that all explosives be separated from their detonators and/or timers, and that pressurized containers be stored outside the pressurized cabin. Y'know, basic safety rules. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
I also noticed yesterday that our microwave has about had it. 4 minutes to warm up a cup of coffee is too long. I've only had the thing 12 years... Oh boy, now you've got something to work with! Our Amana, circa 1978, is still going strong. Very impressive build quality inside. (I've had to resolder the timer card, and replace an electrolytic capacitor or two. Sound familiar?) -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
Remember also that even though ALL the 9/11 terrorists came into this country legally with passports you now need a passport to fly into the US from Canada. However if you kill your whole family with a chainsaw and want to drive into this country while COVERED in blood thats okay. Oh and if you have to have a potentially fatal diesease, your name and picture have been passed around to the border cards they'll just wave you in, no problem. Oh an in Maine there are places where you might live in Maine but your driveway is in Canada. You can walk to your mailbox (in the US) legally but anybody else walks to your house is commiting a felony... -Curt Date: Thu, 14 Jun 2007 10:02:09 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed they search my luggage every time as well, probably because i usually have a laptop in the bag as well. i never set a lock on my suitcase, so 000 opens it up, but if it gets accidently changed over to 001, it is locked. this happened on one trip, so they took the liberty of breaking the hinge off rather than trying 000. they also took/lost my $5 travel alarm. and then they wouldn't give me a roll of that tape they used to seal it up as a memento. and they are completely fucking rude about it all. why do i need this shit exactly? oh, yeah, the same reason i need to lock up people who smoke marijuana in the privacy of their own homes. the same reason i need to be murdering iraqi civilians, er, i mean, insurgents. - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 15:12:43 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mail.windwireless.net) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HzDTf-0004sq-96 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:12:43 + Received: from mail.windwireless.net ([199.164.167.12] helo=mail.windwireless.net) by ASSP.nospam; 15 Jun 2007 15:12:43 + Received: from windwireless.net (unverified [206.63.94.197]) by windwireless.net (WindPostal) with ESMTP id 3621745 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:21:48 -0700 Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 08:12:36 -0700 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed Mime-Version: 1.0 (Apple Message framework v553) From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Apple Mail (2.553) X-Server: High Performance Mail Server - http://surgemail.com r=-412260344 X-Assp-Delay: not delayed (whitelisted); 15 Jun 2007 15:12:43 + X-Assp-Whitelisted: Yes X-Assp-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Intended-For: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] I am back in Paradise X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:12:43 - ...the pilot tells us he's gonna try that again. Four words to inspire confidence... More than trying to bluff his way through a bad approach does. Upon reflection, anyway. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Well...I got one out and broke off a bolt in the other. So I'm killing time until my injector line clips arrive at the local Euro parts house at 11:30. Also buying a lefthand 1/8 drill bit. Gr. Luther On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:06:19 -0500, Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Speaking of this type of work...how do you get the 2 rails on the left side of the head that sit under the timing chain out? I'm having problems getting mine out so I can replace the head Luther -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
how do you get the 2 rails on the left side of the head that sit under the timing chain out? I'm having problems getting mine out so I can replace the head I have no clue. Aren't some of those retaining pins threaded for a bolt on a slide hammer? -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
Ken Rushing wrote: I have a 1987 MBZ 300D Turbo (603 engine). A few days ago my car began to smoke a little more than normal and ran rougher at idle. I changed the glow plugs and it seemed to make a little difference but then a day later it began to smoke a lot, sound very loud, and would die at idle. Since then I have parked the car and began inspecting. My timing is 40 degrees off. By only removing the camshaft cover everything appears intact; the chain, cams,etc. There is no metal shavings or anything. Reading on different MBZ forums it sounds like it may be the vacuum pump. I don't have a vacuum gauge to check the exact suction but I do feel suction with my fingertips when I removed the lines. I would rather try the least evasive inspections I can. I am very new on working on my MBZ but I am fairly mechanically inclined. Can I drop the oil pan a little without removing engine mounts and put a magnetic rod in to see if there are any ball bearings from the vacuum pump? Would there be any other reason my timing would change suddenly? The timing chain still seems to have the correct tension. Any ideas? Thanks! If the engine were 40 degrees out of time the engine could NOT turn over. The valves would hit the pistons. How are you measuring engine timing? Nothing involving the vacuum pump is likely to cause smoke. Bad glow plugs ONLY result in smoking when the engine is cold, You CAN'T easily remove the oil pan with the engine in the car (it can be done but requires a hoist and a lot of work). Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[MBZ] Commie Cars, was Re: well they showed up with the bags
Hendrik Riessen wrote: I guess now that communism is wearing an expensive business suit and driving a big Benz Actually a black Audi A6 is the new bicycle. They are everywhere in China, while Mercedes are somewhat uncommon (VW/Audis are built locally while Mercedes face huge import duties). It is hard to think of a better People's Car for the New China. Most Mercedes look like this: http://www.leblogauto.com/2006/09/mercedes-sauce-chinoise.html http://farm1.static.flickr.com/181/465710873_99867022fc_o.jpg Tom
[MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
Since I hadn't bought a new cell phone in almost eight years, I somehow caved in and let my 16 year-old daughter talk me into getting a MotoQ. As a result, in order to be able to use the phone's gazillion features, I had to update from Outlook Express (gasp.I can hear yous guys) to Outlook Office 2003 (That train has long since left the station.I know, I know.remember I'm a computer Mental Midget). 'Twas pretty easy I must say. Anyone have one of these MotoQs? Tips? Hints? Tricks? Also need notebook/laptop advice. I'm starting the 18 month process of getting my Reactor Operator License. Need something quick, light (since I'll be schlepping it around) and durable. I'll mostly be dealing with pdf stuff and power point stuff. I do, of course, want wireless and the ability to manage my iTune stuff. Remember, I'm a computerus dorkus maximus so use small words and easily understood ideas. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 174K Goodyear, AZ
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Exactly, M6. I just used washers and pressure pulled the first one. Broke the bolt on the 2nd one. I'm off to the tool store for the 1/8 LH bit. Luther On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:13:41 -0500, Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: how do you get the 2 rails on the left side of the head that sit under the timing chain out? I'm having problems getting mine out so I can replace the head I have no clue. Aren't some of those retaining pins threaded for a bolt on a slide hammer? -- Jim -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine
Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags
I have never been asked for my card, though my pump is on my belt and just the tubing shows. Actually it could be unplugged easily enough, though would require a trip to a less public area to reattach and properly re-clothe myself - depending on where I have it inserted at the time. My guess is the liability for that would be too great, though in reality is very small. I always have the one for my AICD handy [Automatic Implantable Cardioverter Defibrillator for those who have not had the pleasure] but have never been asked for it. Only wand checks and hand checks everywhere also. I just assume that an almost 60, slightly overweight white-haired male does not cause any excitement, especially in a public location, for a male security screener who spends his shift patting people down. The only problem in getting inside a courthouse has been with my cell phone, which has a built in camera. My guess is that the pump has a much smaller signature than would a gun [except for a ceramic one???] and such a small bomb implanted inside someone would do little damage other than for the suicide bomber[?]. I'd be willing to help fund a test of implanted bombs for as many suicide/killer bombers as can be found to try that theory out ... BillR Jacksonville FL -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 9:17 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags Bill R wrote: I have an insulin pump that can't be removed Interesting Bill. Have the screeners ever asked to see your ID card? The reason I ask - I also have an implanted med pump for pain meds and have never been asked for my ID card. They use the wand which only confirms I have something near my left waist. I could be carrying a bomb or gun under my clothes. I haven't gone thru airport security but have entered some courthouses. Just wondering. Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: BillR [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags I too have problems with that and frequently do not remove my shoes in line. I tell them I need to be hand checked, and then remove my shoes when I am in the chair. There have been times [prior to using Velcro] when I just told them I couldn't take them off and they tested them for trace elements while they were on my feet. Took a bit longer but was easier on me. Perhaps I get away with that because I have an insulin pump that can't be removed, but they don't know that at first. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 4:32 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] well they showed up with the bags I flew up to New Hampshire a couple of years ago to go up to Maine and pickup a car. I had 2 suitcases loaded down with tools and spares checked in I even put a note on the outside and spoke to the inspector personally to tell them what was in there ( I figured a few things like multimeters and some odd tools would send them running for the exits if it showed up on the x ray) When I got to the other end, the things had all kinds of inspection tags inside signed by everyone in the place, with HEAVY warning stickers all over them. That didn't bother me any, it was having to pull my shoes off and put them along with my walking stick on the xray belt and try to hobble through the metal detector without them, then attempt to put the shoes back on with nowhere to sit down while they barked at me to hurry up that irked me to no end. I don't bend that way anymore. You've got to wonder who comes up with this stuff. Robert Donald Snook wrote: Kaleb wrote: Opened them up to discover a TSA car saying they searched one of the bags. It was the bag with the laptop, Iway, and video camera. Guess it looked like a bomb I have been flying all over the place about once a week for the last 8-10 weeks. Everytime I fly I get one of those cards that says that they searched my bags. I also had 5 trips in a row where they lost my luggage on the return trip. I got to know the luggage customer service counter people by name. The bags have always showed up the next day. 4 of the trips were on America West and 1 was on United. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
I can't remember what this one is, I got it to take to college. Its been battered pretty good for like $100... I've got a Panasonic that came with the house but its huge and we don't want to give up the counter space... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:53:19 -0400 From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I also noticed yesterday that our microwave has about had it. 4 minutes to warm up a cup of coffee is too long. I've only had the thing 12 years... I've had mine (a Goldstar) for about 20 years. Still working fine. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 - Get the free Yahoo! toolbar and rest assured with the added security of spyware protection. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 15:51:23 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=mail.cnsp.com) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HzE55-0007dZ-P4 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:51:23 + Received: from mail.cnsp.com ([208.3.80.17] helo=mail.cnsp.com) by ASSP.nospam; 15 Jun 2007 15:51:23 + Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.cnsp.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id E9919D45A80D for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:51:20 -0600 (MDT) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at cnsp.biz Received: from mail.cnsp.com ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.cnsp.com [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with LMTP id eDoZKKN2pXrM for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Received: from mccluskey.linux (208-3-82-31.cnsp.net [208.3.82.31]) by mail.cnsp.com (Postfix) with SMTP id A6D35D45A802 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:51:20 -0600 (MDT) Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 09:51:20 -0600 From: Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: Sylpheed version 1.0.6 (GTK+ 1.2.10; i386-redhat-linux-gnu) Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Assp-Delay: not delayed (whitelisted); 15 Jun 2007 15:51:23 + X-Assp-Whitelisted: Yes X-Assp-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Intended-For: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] members along I-40 or I-70 X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:51:24 - On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:06:20 -0500 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm headed toward Reno this weekend/early next week. Who lives along either of these interstates? I'm leaning toward staying on I-40, but might change to I-70 if an old friend is home. Who might I visit and or have lunch with along the way? We live about 2 hours north of I-40. But that seems like to much of a detour to me ... Craig
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I hadn't bought a new cell phone in almost eight years, I somehow caved in and let my 16 year-old daughter talk me into getting a MotoQ. As a result, in order to be able to use the phone's gazillion features, I had to update from Outlook Express (gasp.I can hear yous guys) to Outlook Office 2003 (That train has long since left the station.I know, I know.remember I'm a computer Mental Midget). 'Twas pretty easy I must say. I only wish you could still get a cell phone that was just a phone. No cameras, email, web browser, etc. All needless complexity. Also need notebook/laptop advice. I'm starting the 18 month process of getting my Reactor Operator License. Need something quick, light (since I'll be schlepping it around) and durable. I'll mostly be dealing with pdf stuff and power point stuff. I do, of course, want wireless and the ability to manage my iTune stuff. Get an Apple MacBook. Probably the small one (13) if weight / portability is a big factor. They used to make an even smaller one (12); those have the G4 processor, not Intel and you'd have to get it used or refurb if you wanted that size. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
Exactly, M6. I just used washers and pressure pulled the first one. Broke the bolt on the 2nd one. I'm off to the tool store for the 1/8 LH bit. I think the hammering is less likely to break off the bolt than heavy steady pressure is. -- Jim
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
12 years!! Take it back and demand your money back!! :-) I've had mine about 24 years and still boils water in a little over a minute. I also have a lovely year round tan for some reason? hmm. ;-) Ed 300E On 15/06/07, Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Boy howdy! Yesterday I figured out (mostly anyway) how to weld thin sheetmetal with my Lincoln HandyMig. My problem was that the wire speed was too SLOW which caused me to linger and burn holes. With the wire turned up I was actually starting to produce some decent welds. I also noticed yesterday that our microwave has about had it. 4 minutes to warm up a cup of coffee is too long. I've only had the thing 12 years... -Curt Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:00:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. -- Jim - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] members along I-40 or I-70
I'm just off I-70. In Ohio. On 6/15/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:06:20 -0500 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm headed toward Reno this weekend/early next week. Who lives along either of these interstates? I'm leaning toward staying on I-40, but might change to I-70 if an old friend is home. Who might I visit and or have lunch with along the way? We live about 2 hours north of I-40. But that seems like to much of a detour to me ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
--- Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also need notebook/laptop advice. I'm starting the 18 month process of getting my Reactor Operator License. Hands down the most durable laptop I know of is the IBM/Lenovo T-series. These are the laptop equivilent of a early eighties benz, just plain solid, I have had about five of these over the years (corporate and personal) and they are nearly indestructable. NOTHING wears out, and I carry mine around all day bumping it around. Tons of peripherals and add-ons are available from IBM, and the software support (drivers, BIOS updates, etc) are easy to deal with. Best part is you can get a refurbished one from an IBM reseller on ebay for pretty cheap and it will still have a 3-year IBM warrantee. I am pretty sure the refurb units are corporate fleet returns that have little to no use, the two personal units I got had absolutely no signs on use at all. If you really just need a basic word processing, email, office diesel benz type system I recommend a T42 or similar, I bet they are under a grand for a decent one. If you want more oomph (450sl) then get a T62 or similar. -Zach
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
Bob, I agree wholeheartedly with Allan. Go for an Apple MacBook or iBook G4. I've had my iBook G4 for close to two years. Been bulletproof. No Viruses. No problems. And Mac's are a lot less complicated to run than PC's.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ On Jun 15, 2007, at 9:00 AM, Allan Streib wrote: Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Since I hadn't bought a new cell phone in almost eight years, I somehow caved in and let my 16 year-old daughter talk me into getting a MotoQ. As a result, in order to be able to use the phone's gazillion features, I had to update from Outlook Express (gasp.I can hear yous guys) to Outlook Office 2003 (That train has long since left the station.I know, I know.remember I'm a computer Mental Midget). 'Twas pretty easy I must say. I only wish you could still get a cell phone that was just a phone. No cameras, email, web browser, etc. All needless complexity. Also need notebook/laptop advice. I'm starting the 18 month process of getting my Reactor Operator License. Need something quick, light (since I'll be schlepping it around) and durable. I'll mostly be dealing with pdf stuff and power point stuff. I do, of course, want wireless and the ability to manage my iTune stuff. Get an Apple MacBook. Probably the small one (13) if weight / portability is a big factor. They used to make an even smaller one (12); those have the G4 processor, not Intel and you'd have to get it used or refurb if you wanted that size. Allan -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] members along I-40 or I-70
Have you seen TV's best reality show - Reno 911? Just pray you don't encounter Reno's Finest while you're there. On 6/15/07, Sunil Hari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm just off I-70. In Ohio. On 6/15/07, Craig McCluskey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:06:20 -0500 Luther [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm headed toward Reno this weekend/early next week. Who lives along either of these interstates? I'm leaning toward staying on I-40, but might change to I-70 if an old friend is home. Who might I visit and or have lunch with along the way? We live about 2 hours north of I-40. But that seems like to much of a detour to me ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Increasing air flow in Diesel
I agree with Allan, that diesels do generally run lean; with a oversupply of air. However, there is some advantage to cold air intakes, inputting cooler air than the heated air that is present from behind the radiator. Some claims are for a small density increase and some fuel efficiency and horsepower gains. I have also read of intake vents that are positioned at the windshield/hood interface to take advantage of the higher pressure differential that occurs there. Supposedly, cooler air as well as a small pressure increase is worth some mileage and horsepower gains. The other advantage is that by removing the high pressure air that the aerodynamics of the vehicle improves since the drag coefficient is now lower. Todd Smith '85 300CD 248K (deadlined with vacuum leaks) -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Allan Streib Diesels already run with an oversupply of air, its unlikely that these parts will make even a detectable difference, no way will he get 10 - 15 MPG improvement. Confidentiality Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential. If this e-mail contains protected health information, you are hereby notified that any dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication is strictly prohibited,except as permitted by law. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately by replying to this message and deleting it from your computer. Thank you.
Re: [MBZ] Timing problem 87 300D Turbo
Ken: Although I think you have other areas to check first, you can easily inspect the inside of the oil pan. After draining the oil, simply remove the oil pan extension. A new gasket is a few $ and as I recall the torque on the bolts is about 7 ft/lbs. I did this when my vacuum pump self destructed and it was relatively easy job to clean out the pan. Having said all that, your symptoms do not match the vacuum pump problem I experienced. Good luck. I have a 1987 MBZ 300D Turbo (603 engine). A few days ago my car began to smoke a little more than normal and ran rougher at idle. I changed the glow plugs and it seemed to make a little difference but then a day later it began to smoke a lot, sound very loud, and would die at idle. Since then I have parked the car and began inspecting. My timing is 40 degrees off. By only removing the camshaft cover everything appears intact; the chain, cams,etc. There is no metal shavings or anything. Reading on different MBZ forums it sounds like it may be the vacuum pump. I don't have a vacuum gauge to check the exact suction but I do feel suction with my fingertips when I removed the lines. I would rather try the least evasive inspections I can. I am very new on working on my MBZ but I am fairly mechanically inclined. Can I drop the oil pan a little without removing engine mounts and put a magnetic rod in to see if there are any ball bearings from the vacuum pump? Would there be any other reason my timing would change suddenly? The timing chain still seems to have the correct tension. Any ideas? Thanks! -- SANTÉ Doug Quance Consciousness: That annoying time between naps. 90% of being smart is knowing what you're dumb at.
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
Hi Curt, I have the same MIG found the same thing about wire speed and metal thickness. I thought that was backwards - but thar's how it works - as you found. ;-) Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 10:30 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale Boy howdy! Yesterday I figured out (mostly anyway) how to weld thin sheetmetal with my Lincoln HandyMig. My problem was that the wire speed was too SLOW which caused me to linger and burn holes. With the wire turned up I was actually starting to produce some decent welds. I also noticed yesterday that our microwave has about had it. 4 minutes to warm up a cup of coffee is too long. I've only had the thing 12 years... -Curt Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2007 23:00:43 -0700 From: Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed it since then, and have decided to sell it. The main reason is that there was some hidden rust that put the car in the not worth making nice category in my book. Dead microwave ovens are easy to come by for cheap. And any Real Man always wants a welder. -- Jim - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.472 / Virus Database: 269.8.17/850 - Release Date: 6/15/2007 11:31 AM
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
One word: MacBook. MacDan --- Bob Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since I hadn't bought a new cell phone in almost eight years, I somehow caved in and let my 16 year-old daughter talk me into getting a MotoQ. As a result, in order to be able to use the phone's gazillion features, I had to update from Outlook Express (gasp.I can hear yous guys) to Outlook Office 2003 (That train has long since left the station.I know, I know.remember I'm a computer Mental Midget). 'Twas pretty easy I must say. Anyone have one of these MotoQs? Tips? Hints? Tricks? Also need notebook/laptop advice. I'm starting the 18 month process of getting my Reactor Operator License. Need something quick, light (since I'll be schlepping it around) and durable. I'll mostly be dealing with pdf stuff and power point stuff. I do, of course, want wireless and the ability to manage my iTune stuff. Remember, I'm a computerus dorkus maximus so use small words and easily understood ideas. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 174K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! FareChase. http://farechase.yahoo.com/
Re: [MBZ] members along I-40 or I-70
Well, you're starting out about 116 miles west of me heading the other way :-) Have funRobert Luther wrote: I'm headed toward Reno this weekend/early next week. Who lives along either of these interstates? I'm leaning toward staying on I-40, but might change to I-70 if an old friend is home. Who might I visit and or have lunch with along the way?
[MBZ] Which one next?
Hi Everyone, Well, after having the 300E just a little over 2 months, I'm kind of hooked. As you know, it has had lots of miles, (340,000 kms now) and needed a little sorting. More than anything, I think the car needed to be reminded it was loved and in a car guys home now. :-) Spent a lot of time detailing it, going over things, oh, and driving it. The more I drive it, the better is seems. The plugs are not not fouling anything like they were, but the oil is dirty with just 1000 or so kms. I think all the crud in the engine is being cleaned out, so the oil is doing it's just. I was goign to go synth next oil change, but I think I'll give it one more dino and change again in about 1500 kms. I want to clean it out well before doing synth. I don't fancy dumping synth at $60-70 for a change in just a couple of thousand clicks. Anyway, I'm now in the market for a second. Problem is, what to get?? I like several. As I said before, gas mileage isn't really a big deal, but if prices continue to go the way they are, maybe it will be. :-( I've always loved the W123, both sedan and wagon. Hard to get good ones here as most I've seen are rusty. I know they go a long time, but I don't really buy into mileage doesn't matter with W123s. It's a machine, and the engine it just one part. There are lots of things to go wrong with mileage, trans, suspension, every part bolted to the car, and the car itself. Having said that, I'd love a nice clean one! I also love the W126, and again, the SDLs I've seen look like they were purchased to put LOTS of miles on them, and the ones i've seen show it. Maybe a 420 or 560? The W124 has been good so far, and maybe even a wago or a diesel version of it. I see a few guys have 190s here. so what are the general tougths. I don't drive a lot of miles, mostly shorter trips intown. Parking (size) isn't an issue, but the car is parked outdoors year round, so cold starts in the winter may be an issue? Well, I'm just thinking out loud and would like to hear some of your thougths on things to watch out for on W123s, W126s, with regards to mechanical stuff, where rust likes to start and any $pecial parts to check for. Guess I'm becoming a real Benz head as I was out changing the plugs at 1:00am last night. hee hee. Thanks for your thoughts Ed 300E
Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale
Good thinking, now if I could only find a Service Merchandise still in business... -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:41:41 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 84 190D 2.2 For Sale To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed 12 years!! Take it back and demand your money back!! :-) I've had mine about 24 years and still boils water in a little over a minute. I also have a lovely year round tan for some reason? hmm. ;-) Ed 300E - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 19:09:54 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=an-out-0708.google.com) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HzHBB-00062w-V4 for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:09:54 + Received: from an-out-0708.google.com ([209.85.132.243] helo=an-out-0708.google.com) by ASSP.nospam; 15 Jun 2007 19:09:53 + Received: by an-out-0708.google.com with SMTP id c35so250972anc for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:09:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.10.20 with SMTP id 20mr2012631anj.1181934589545; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.100.38.19 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:09:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 15:09:49 -0400 From: E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Assp-Received-URIBL: pass X-Assp-Bayes-Confidence: 0.2 X-Assp-Spam-Prob: 0.0 X-Assp-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Intended-For: mercedes@okiebenz.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline X-Content-Filtered-By: Mailman/MimeDel 2.1.9.cp2 Subject: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:09:54 - Does anyone know if the dealer sells that wax type stuff they often use in the engine bay to protect against rust? If so, how is it applied? Is it a spray on, or liquid? Thanks, Ed 300E
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
You can still get a basic phone from tracfone for about $15 , it does the job and no contract.It's all that I'll use after getting sucked into a cell phone for traveling on business early on in cell phone land with the big bag phone and finding out the hard way that you can get billed $10 a whack just for having your phone turned on whilst traveling by someones tower while roaming ( I don't think that still goes on, but the memory lingers ) --Robert Allan Streib wrote: I only wish you could still get a cell phone that was just a phone. No cameras, email, web browser, etc. All needless complexity. Allan
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
I agree but they can be spendy... Then I got thinking about the 2 work laptops I've had, both were desktop replacement systems. The first was a Dell Inspiron 8500, now I've got an HP nw8000. Both are excellent machines. The Dell got handed down to somebody in tech support when I moved to training and the HP was handed down to me. I like the Dell marginally better, its thinner, has better ergonomics and a slightly bigger screen. The HP has better battery life and its is brighter. Also remember I travel a fair amount and I carry the laptop between work and home each and every day so the both have gotten beaten around pretty good. What I'm getting at is pretty much all good name brand laptops are good stuff. Find one based on how its ergonomics work for you, thats probably the most important part. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:00:17 -0700 From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Bob, I agree wholeheartedly with Allan. Go for an Apple MacBook or iBook G4. I've had my iBook G4 for close to two years. Been bulletproof. No Viruses. No problems. And Mac's are a lot less complicated to run than PC's.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. From [EMAIL PROTECTED] Fri Jun 15 19:44:53 2007 Received: from [127.0.0.1] (helo=wa-out-1112.google.com) by server8.arterytc8.net with esmtp (Exim 4.63) (envelope-from [EMAIL PROTECTED]) id 1HzHj3-0008TM-0U for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:44:53 + Received: from wa-out-1112.google.com ([209.85.146.177] helo=wa-out-1112.google.com) by ASSP.nospam; 15 Jun 2007 19:44:52 + Received: by wa-out-1112.google.com with SMTP id l24so1287542waf for mercedes@okiebenz.com; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.73.1 with SMTP id v1mr3407289waa.1181936689263; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.234.5 with HTTP; Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:44:49 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 12:44:49 -0700 From: Alex Chamberlain [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com In-Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline References: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Whitelisted: Yes X-Assp-Envelope-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Assp-Intended-For: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology X-BeenThere: mercedes@okiebenz.com X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.9.cp2 Precedence: list Reply-To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Id: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes_okiebenz.com.okiebenz.com List-Unsubscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Archive: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com List-Post: mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com List-Help: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] List-Subscribe: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] X-List-Received-Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 19:44:53 - On 6/15/07, Zach [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hands down the most durable laptop I know of is the IBM/Lenovo T-series. These are the laptop equivilent of a early eighties benz, just plain solid, I have had about five of these over the years (corporate and personal) and they are nearly indestructable. NOTHING wears out, and I carry mine around all day bumping it around. Tons of peripherals and add-ons are available from IBM, and the software support (drivers, BIOS updates, etc) are easy to deal with. Best part is you can get a refurbished one from an IBM reseller on ebay for pretty cheap and it will still have a 3-year IBM warrantee. I am pretty sure the refurb units are corporate fleet returns that have little to no use, the two personal units I got had absolutely no signs on use at all. If you really just need a basic word processing, email, office diesel benz type system I recommend a T42 or similar, I bet they are under a grand for a decent one. If you want more oomph (450sl) then get a T62 or similar. I vote for a ThinkPad T40, T41, or T42 as well. The comparison to an '80s Benz is apt. (Lots of metal where most other laptops have plastic!) You can buy certified used ones direct from IBM... no need to mess around on eBay if you don't want the hassle. $500-$600 will get you one that will run Windows XP nicely. I hate to say it, being a Mac user most of the time, but these are a much better deal than any Apple laptop that will run OS X usably fast (I don't consider Hursty's Pismo usable).
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
I got very tired of the high cell phone bills and went to a pre-paid $0.25/minute plan. I just kept my old phones. $100.00 prepay will rollover for a year [more than enough for my wife and M-I-L], and after 3 months I've used @ $70 on mine. MUCH less $$ than I was paying before. Doubt I'll ever go back to a contract phone. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology You can still get a basic phone from tracfone for about $15 , it does the job and no contract.It's all that I'll use after getting sucked into a cell phone for traveling on business early on in cell phone land with the big bag phone and finding out the hard way that you can get billed $10 a whack just for having your phone turned on whilst traveling by someones tower while roaming ( I don't think that still goes on, but the memory lingers ) --Robert Allan Streib wrote: I only wish you could still get a cell phone that was just a phone. No cameras, email, web browser, etc. All needless complexity. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
Dunno about the Q that happens in a coup[le of months for me. As for laptops: I was just working on a merge in Word/excel when a longtime friend walked in. He said I don't know anything about Apple I said, Oh actually, right now I am running windows. It just happens to be running on a Macbook. I was kinda startled, because once you are in Word or Excel, it doesn't make much difference what is running underneath. For my $$$, the Macbook with Boot camp and windows is ideal. For surfing and itunes and I-anything use the mac. When you need Windoze, boot it into Windoze and go. They are under a grand, Wicked fast, and fairly reliable. I would purchase the applecare within a year of purchase. That means if anything does fail, Apple will fix it for 3 yrs, not just 1. Completely compatible with itunes and ipods and i phone and I-anything. Loren Lotsa Winders boxes, 2000 Pro, XP pro, Server 2003R2, Exchange, SQL 2005 etc. an Ibook and a Macbook And several old Macs and several Apple IIs still hanging around At 10:30 AM 6/15/2007, you wrote: Since I hadn't bought a new cell phone in almost eight years, I somehow caved in and let my 16 year-old daughter talk me into getting a MotoQ. As a result, in order to be able to use the phone's gazillion features, I had to update from Outlook Express (gasp.I can hear yous guys) to Outlook Office 2003 (That train has long since left the station.I know, I know.remember I'm a computer Mental Midget). 'Twas pretty easy I must say. Anyone have one of these MotoQs? Tips? Hints? Tricks? Also need notebook/laptop advice. I'm starting the 18 month process of getting my Reactor Operator License. Need something quick, light (since I'll be schlepping it around) and durable. I'll mostly be dealing with pdf stuff and power point stuff. I do, of course, want wireless and the ability to manage my iTune stuff. Remember, I'm a computerus dorkus maximus so use small words and easily understood ideas. Bob Rentfro '77 300D 174K Goodyear, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
Wish I could to this but I run 1000 + minutes / month on my phone. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology I got very tired of the high cell phone bills and went to a pre-paid $0.25/minute plan. I just kept my old phones. $100.00 prepay will rollover for a year [more than enough for my wife and M-I-L], and after 3 months I've used @ $70 on mine. MUCH less $$ than I was paying before. Doubt I'll ever go back to a contract phone. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology You can still get a basic phone from tracfone for about $15 , it does the job and no contract.It's all that I'll use after getting sucked into a cell phone for traveling on business early on in cell phone land with the big bag phone and finding out the hard way that you can get billed $10 a whack just for having your phone turned on whilst traveling by someones tower while roaming ( I don't think that still goes on, but the memory lingers ) --Robert Allan Streib wrote: I only wish you could still get a cell phone that was just a phone. No cameras, email, web browser, etc. All needless complexity. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] WOW! Gas mileage
I had to drive about three hours for a hearing this morning. I left at 6:30 am and drove on a nice flat straight four lane highway. I left a little earlier than I needed to, so I set the cruise at 70 mph. I did not need the air conditioning on. It was a beautiful drive. I filled up right before I left and reset the trip odometer. When I got back to town, I stopped and filled up. I had driven 323 miles and I put 13.5 gallons of premium in. I thought to myself that sounds like pretty good mileage for my car. If you do the calculation that is 24 mpg (23.92). I have never gotten that in my LWB 126. I guess driving at 70 (with the cruise on) the a/c off for half of the trip and driving 100% on the highway really will improve your mileage. Also, this is Kansas, so its also quite flat. I usually get about 20 mpg if I don't drive 80. I doubt I will be able to duplicate it again. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K
Re: [MBZ] WOW! Gas mileage
I have made a number of local all-highway trips running at 55 mph as opposed to the 70 mph that is the posted limit. I keep my mileage and records religiously, and in comparison with driving at the speed limit, I gain about 2-3 mpg by driving 55 mph. Dan --- Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I had to drive about three hours for a hearing this morning. I left at 6:30 am and drove on a nice flat straight four lane highway. I left a little earlier than I needed to, so I set the cruise at 70 mph. I did not need the air conditioning on. It was a beautiful drive. I filled up right before I left and reset the trip odometer. When I got back to town, I stopped and filled up. I had driven 323 miles and I put 13.5 gallons of premium in. I thought to myself that sounds like pretty good mileage for my car. If you do the calculation that is 24 mpg (23.92). I have never gotten that in my LWB 126. I guess driving at 70 (with the cruise on) the a/c off for half of the trip and driving 100% on the highway really will improve your mileage. Also, this is Kansas, so its also quite flat. I usually get about 20 mpg if I don't drive 80. I doubt I will be able to duplicate it again. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 137K ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Need Mail bonding? Go to the Yahoo! Mail QA for great tips from Yahoo! Answers users. http://answers.yahoo.com/dir/?link=listsid=396546091
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
The macbook for $1k is not spendy in my (cheapskate) book. If you want to go cheaper, get an ibook used (maybe $200) and put the Windoze remote desktop client (used to be called Terminal Services Client) on it and just hookup when you need winders. They are thinner, lighter and very slick. I have not seen a winders laptop for under 3 times the price that is as light, thin and FAST as a macbook. Macbook is STILL the best windows or Mac laptop for the cash. Loren At 02:05 PM 6/15/2007, you wrote: I agree but they can be spendy... Then I got thinking about the 2 work laptops I've had, both were desktop replacement systems. The first was a Dell Inspiron 8500, now I've got an HP nw8000. Both are excellent machines. The Dell got handed down to somebody in tech support when I moved to training and the HP was handed down to me. I like the Dell marginally better, its thinner, has better ergonomics and a slightly bigger screen. The HP has better battery life and its is brighter. Also remember I travel a fair amount and I carry the laptop between work and home each and every day so the both have gotten beaten around pretty good. What I'm getting at is pretty much all good name brand laptops are good stuff. Find one based on how its ergonomics work for you, thats probably the most important part. -Curt Date: Fri, 15 Jun 2007 10:00:17 -0700 From: Chuck Landenberger [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; delsp=yes; format=flowed Bob, I agree wholeheartedly with Allan. Go for an Apple MacBook or iBook G4. I've had my iBook G4 for close to two years. Been bulletproof. No Viruses. No problems. And Mac's are a lot less complicated to run than PC's.. Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ - Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Loren Faeth
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing
I don't recall the name, but it's typically applied by spraying. It was also impregnated in heavy paper for wrapping parts to prevent corrosion. Phillips makes a very good preservative oil you can add to the crankcase - it's used by the aviation industry for pickling engines, and I have used it on industrial engines that were pickled as well. It's called Phillips Multi-Viscosity Anti-Rust Oil and is sold by the gallon. It can be used as a break-in oil as well. I used to write long term storage procedures for stationary industrial engines - what are you looking to do? Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the dealer sells that wax type stuff they often use in the engine bay to protect against rust? If so, how is it applied? Is it a spray on, or liquid? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
BillR wrote: I got very tired of the high cell phone bills and went to a pre-paid $0.25/minute plan. I just kept my old phones. $100.00 prepay will rollover for a year [more than enough for my wife and M-I-L], and after 3 months I've used @ $70 on mine. MUCH less $$ than I was paying before. Doubt I'll ever go back to a contract phone. With Tracfone you can get double minutes for the life of the phone for $50. Then you can buy airtime for 8-10 cents. I can get three phones, six 60min/90 day airtime cards, and a one month double minute plan for $90. That gives me about 800 minutes and 600 days, plus two extra phones. Some of their phones (Nokia 1100 2600, Motorola V170 and C155) have free incoming text messages. Fun for text alerts from Yahoo, my local gas station, etc. T-Mobile will give you a year and 1000 minutes for $100, and another year with zero minutes for $10 if you didn't use up your minutes. I saw a basic T-Mo phone at Target a while back for $85 including the one year / 1000 min. Coverage isn't as good as with some providers. I had a Net10 on T-Mo once, quickly asked Net10 to switch it to Cingular (now ATT), because it had zero coverage in the city where I worked. Tracfone's sister company, Net10, charges ten cents a minute, but you have to buy 150 minutes a month. Works well if you have GSM (ATT or T-Mo) coverage and your usage is on the high side of the prepaid spectrum. They used to have a one year / 1500 minute card for $150, I wish they would bring that back. I get Kmart gift cards from Dealpass at 20% off, and buy airtime for my mom's Net10 with them, so it's 8 cents per minute / $12 per month. She dropped her long distance service and burns up the excess Net10 minutes on long distance calls. Since she was paying more than $12 a month for long distance before, the Net10 is basically free. Mitch.
Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology
My sympathies are with you. I used to do that between 4 cell phones, but for some strange reason when the last girl child moved out it no longer happened. When I went to pre-paid I had over 10,000 minutes rolled over that I lost. Cheaper for me with pre-pay, though, now that I am retired. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 4:43 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology Wish I could to this but I run 1000 + minutes / month on my phone. Thanks, Tom Hargrave 256-656-1924 www.kegkits.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of BillR Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:18 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology I got very tired of the high cell phone bills and went to a pre-paid $0.25/minute plan. I just kept my old phones. $100.00 prepay will rollover for a year [more than enough for my wife and M-I-L], and after 3 months I've used @ $70 on mine. MUCH less $$ than I was paying before. Doubt I'll ever go back to a contract phone. BillR -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Tara Ludwick Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:19 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] O.T. Dipping My Toe in the Pool of Technology You can still get a basic phone from tracfone for about $15 , it does the job and no contract.It's all that I'll use after getting sucked into a cell phone for traveling on business early on in cell phone land with the big bag phone and finding out the hard way that you can get billed $10 a whack just for having your phone turned on whilst traveling by someones tower while roaming ( I don't think that still goes on, but the memory lingers ) --Robert Allan Streib wrote: I only wish you could still get a cell phone that was just a phone. No cameras, email, web browser, etc. All needless complexity. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which one next?
Ed wrote: Anyway, I'm now in the market for a second. Problem is, what to get. I also love the W126, and again, the SDLs I've seen look like they were purchased to put LOTS of miles on them, and the ones i've seen show it. Maybe a 420 or 560? Why not a really nice 1990 300SEL? Same engine as in your 300E except that mine had the valve stems and seals fixed already. Mine has LOTS less miles than yours and my car has no rust. Aren't you in Canada? Kansas isn't hard to find. Head south from your house and go to the center of the US. Then turn a little southeast. Wichita is a little east of the center of the country. Just don't take the wrong turn in Albuquerque (with apologies to Buggs Bunny) Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing
Hi Dan, I read in the manual that Mercedes use and wax based oil for rust protection in the engine bay. I see traces of it in mine. I've done such a good just of cleaning the engine or grease and crud, I want to protect it with something (outside) as the car is subjected very salty roads in the winter, and parked outside. I know I'm planning ahead, but summer passes fast. :-( Ed 300E On 15/06/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall the name, but it's typically applied by spraying. It was also impregnated in heavy paper for wrapping parts to prevent corrosion. Phillips makes a very good preservative oil you can add to the crankcase - it's used by the aviation industry for pickling engines, and I have used it on industrial engines that were pickled as well. It's called Phillips Multi-Viscosity Anti-Rust Oil and is sold by the gallon. It can be used as a break-in oil as well. I used to write long term storage procedures for stationary industrial engines - what are you looking to do? Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the dealer sells that wax type stuff they often use in the engine bay to protect against rust? If so, how is it applied? Is it a spray on, or liquid? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which one next?
Ed, I am in southern RI, East of Kansas. my neighbor has a really nice 86 560sel that he is selling, he is asking $5000, USD. I would buy it except for the gas mileage and I am committed to my diesel fleet. Let me know if you'd like pictures and description as I am getting ready to post on our local Craigslist. Let me know if you want more information. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Which one next? Hi Everyone, Well, after having the 300E just a little over 2 months, I'm kind of hooked. As you know, it has had lots of miles, (340,000 kms now) and needed a little sorting. More than anything, I think the car needed to be reminded it was loved and in a car guys home now. :-) Spent a lot of time detailing it, going over things, oh, and driving it. The more I drive it, the better is seems. The plugs are not not fouling anything like they were, but the oil is dirty with just 1000 or so kms. I think all the crud in the engine is being cleaned out, so the oil is doing it's just. I was goign to go synth next oil change, but I think I'll give it one more dino and change again in about 1500 kms. I want to clean it out well before doing synth. I don't fancy dumping synth at $60-70 for a change in just a couple of thousand clicks. Anyway, I'm now in the market for a second. Problem is, what to get?? I like several. As I said before, gas mileage isn't really a big deal, but if prices continue to go the way they are, maybe it will be. :-( I've always loved the W123, both sedan and wagon. Hard to get good ones here as most I've seen are rusty. I know they go a long time, but I don't really buy into mileage doesn't matter with W123s. It's a machine, and the engine it just one part. There are lots of things to go wrong with mileage, trans, suspension, every part bolted to the car, and the car itself. Having said that, I'd love a nice clean one! I also love the W126, and again, the SDLs I've seen look like they were purchased to put LOTS of miles on them, and the ones i've seen show it. Maybe a 420 or 560? The W124 has been good so far, and maybe even a wago or a diesel version of it. I see a few guys have 190s here. so what are the general tougths. I don't drive a lot of miles, mostly shorter trips intown. Parking (size) isn't an issue, but the car is parked outdoors year round, so cold starts in the winter may be an issue? Well, I'm just thinking out loud and would like to hear some of your thougths on things to watch out for on W123s, W126s, with regards to mechanical stuff, where rust likes to start and any $pecial parts to check for. Guess I'm becoming a real Benz head as I was out changing the plugs at 1:00am last night. hee hee. Thanks for your thoughts Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which one next?
Hee hee, if I was in the US, I'm probably be standing in your driveway now with my lunchbag of $20s as Leno would say. :-) I've seen pics of your car and it looks really nice. I really would prefer a local car though. By the time I fly down, drive it back, do all the paperwork and exchanging plates, it's just a little more work than I wanted. But thanks Donald, I appreciate the offer. Ed 300E On 15/06/07, Donald Snook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed wrote: Anyway, I'm now in the market for a second. Problem is, what to get. I also love the W126, and again, the SDLs I've seen look like they were purchased to put LOTS of miles on them, and the ones i've seen show it. Maybe a 420 or 560? Why not a really nice 1990 300SEL? Same engine as in your 300E except that mine had the valve stems and seals fixed already. Mine has LOTS less miles than yours and my car has no rust. Aren't you in Canada? Kansas isn't hard to find. Head south from your house and go to the center of the US. Then turn a little southeast. Wichita is a little east of the center of the country. Just don't take the wrong turn in Albuquerque (with apologies to Buggs Bunny) Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K http://www.autotrader.com/fyc/vdp.jsp?car_id=221355344 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing
Cosmoline. head smack I couldn't remember the name of the stuff at the time. You can probably find this or something similar at an industrial engine supply house, or possibly a truck supply place that would deal with industrial engines like pumps or compressors. Cosmoline is pretty heavy duty stuff, and not something I would put on a working engine or engine compartment. It's meant as a moisture barrier and intended for long term storage. On a related note, there are some really cool things that aircraft engine manufacturers sell now for long term storage on Lycoming and other air-cooled aviation engines. They're plastic tubes that screw into the spark plug ports, and inside the tubes is a dessicant that absorbs any moisture that might form in the cylinder while the engine is mothballed. I'm sure you could use them for long term (such as winter) storage on an automobile engine, too. Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, I read in the manual that Mercedes use and wax based oil for rust protection in the engine bay. I see traces of it in mine. I've done such a good just of cleaning the engine or grease and crud, I want to protect it with something (outside) as the car is subjected very salty roads in the winter, and parked outside. I know I'm planning ahead, but summer passes fast. :-( Ed 300E On 15/06/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall the name, but it's typically applied by spraying. It was also impregnated in heavy paper for wrapping parts to prevent corrosion. Phillips makes a very good preservative oil you can add to the crankcase - it's used by the aviation industry for pickling engines, and I have used it on industrial engines that were pickled as well. It's called Phillips Multi-Viscosity Anti-Rust Oil and is sold by the gallon. It can be used as a break-in oil as well. I used to write long term storage procedures for stationary industrial engines - what are you looking to do? Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the dealer sells that wax type stuff they often use in the engine bay to protect against rust? If so, how is it applied? Is it a spray on, or liquid? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222
Re: [MBZ] Which one next?
Thanks Dwight. Sounds like something I'd be interested in, but I really want something closer to home. Just curious, what kind of mileage does it have? Thanks again, Ed 300E On 15/06/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, I am in southern RI, East of Kansas. my neighbor has a really nice 86 560sel that he is selling, he is asking $5000, USD. I would buy it except for the gas mileage and I am committed to my diesel fleet. Let me know if you'd like pictures and description as I am getting ready to post on our local Craigslist. Let me know if you want more information. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Which one next? Hi Everyone, Well, after having the 300E just a little over 2 months, I'm kind of hooked. As you know, it has had lots of miles, (340,000 kms now) and needed a little sorting. More than anything, I think the car needed to be reminded it was loved and in a car guys home now. :-) Spent a lot of time detailing it, going over things, oh, and driving it. The more I drive it, the better is seems. The plugs are not not fouling anything like they were, but the oil is dirty with just 1000 or so kms. I think all the crud in the engine is being cleaned out, so the oil is doing it's just. I was goign to go synth next oil change, but I think I'll give it one more dino and change again in about 1500 kms. I want to clean it out well before doing synth. I don't fancy dumping synth at $60-70 for a change in just a couple of thousand clicks. Anyway, I'm now in the market for a second. Problem is, what to get?? I like several. As I said before, gas mileage isn't really a big deal, but if prices continue to go the way they are, maybe it will be. :-( I've always loved the W123, both sedan and wagon. Hard to get good ones here as most I've seen are rusty. I know they go a long time, but I don't really buy into mileage doesn't matter with W123s. It's a machine, and the engine it just one part. There are lots of things to go wrong with mileage, trans, suspension, every part bolted to the car, and the car itself. Having said that, I'd love a nice clean one! I also love the W126, and again, the SDLs I've seen look like they were purchased to put LOTS of miles on them, and the ones i've seen show it. Maybe a 420 or 560? The W124 has been good so far, and maybe even a wago or a diesel version of it. I see a few guys have 190s here. so what are the general tougths. I don't drive a lot of miles, mostly shorter trips intown. Parking (size) isn't an issue, but the car is parked outdoors year round, so cold starts in the winter may be an issue? Well, I'm just thinking out loud and would like to hear some of your thougths on things to watch out for on W123s, W126s, with regards to mechanical stuff, where rust likes to start and any $pecial parts to check for. Guess I'm becoming a real Benz head as I was out changing the plugs at 1:00am last night. hee hee. Thanks for your thoughts Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing
Thanks again, something to keep in mind for when the 911 goes away. You seem to know a lot about long term storage. Just curious, do they ever put any of those planes out in the Arizona desert back into service, or are they stored more to harvest parts from? Ed 300E On 15/06/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cosmoline. head smack I couldn't remember the name of the stuff at the time. You can probably find this or something similar at an industrial engine supply house, or possibly a truck supply place that would deal with industrial engines like pumps or compressors. Cosmoline is pretty heavy duty stuff, and not something I would put on a working engine or engine compartment. It's meant as a moisture barrier and intended for long term storage. On a related note, there are some really cool things that aircraft engine manufacturers sell now for long term storage on Lycoming and other air-cooled aviation engines. They're plastic tubes that screw into the spark plug ports, and inside the tubes is a dessicant that absorbs any moisture that might form in the cylinder while the engine is mothballed. I'm sure you could use them for long term (such as winter) storage on an automobile engine, too. Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, I read in the manual that Mercedes use and wax based oil for rust protection in the engine bay. I see traces of it in mine. I've done such a good just of cleaning the engine or grease and crud, I want to protect it with something (outside) as the car is subjected very salty roads in the winter, and parked outside. I know I'm planning ahead, but summer passes fast. :-( Ed 300E On 15/06/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall the name, but it's typically applied by spraying. It was also impregnated in heavy paper for wrapping parts to prevent corrosion. Phillips makes a very good preservative oil you can add to the crankcase - it's used by the aviation industry for pickling engines, and I have used it on industrial engines that were pickled as well. It's called Phillips Multi-Viscosity Anti-Rust Oil and is sold by the gallon. It can be used as a break-in oil as well. I used to write long term storage procedures for stationary industrial engines - what are you looking to do? Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the dealer sells that wax type stuff they often use in the engine bay to protect against rust? If so, how is it applied? Is it a spray on, or liquid? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which one next?
Ed, Where in Canada are you? It has 140K miles. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Which one next? Thanks Dwight. Sounds like something I'd be interested in, but I really want something closer to home. Just curious, what kind of mileage does it have? Thanks again, Ed 300E On 15/06/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, I am in southern RI, East of Kansas. my neighbor has a really nice 86 560sel that he is selling, he is asking $5000, USD. I would buy it except for the gas mileage and I am committed to my diesel fleet. Let me know if you'd like pictures and description as I am getting ready to post on our local Craigslist. Let me know if you want more information. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Which one next? Hi Everyone, Well, after having the 300E just a little over 2 months, I'm kind of hooked. As you know, it has had lots of miles, (340,000 kms now) and needed a little sorting. More than anything, I think the car needed to be reminded it was loved and in a car guys home now. :-) Spent a lot of time detailing it, going over things, oh, and driving it. The more I drive it, the better is seems. The plugs are not not fouling anything like they were, but the oil is dirty with just 1000 or so kms. I think all the crud in the engine is being cleaned out, so the oil is doing it's just. I was goign to go synth next oil change, but I think I'll give it one more dino and change again in about 1500 kms. I want to clean it out well before doing synth. I don't fancy dumping synth at $60-70 for a change in just a couple of thousand clicks. Anyway, I'm now in the market for a second. Problem is, what to get?? I like several. As I said before, gas mileage isn't really a big deal, but if prices continue to go the way they are, maybe it will be. :-( I've always loved the W123, both sedan and wagon. Hard to get good ones here as most I've seen are rusty. I know they go a long time, but I don't really buy into mileage doesn't matter with W123s. It's a machine, and the engine it just one part. There are lots of things to go wrong with mileage, trans, suspension, every part bolted to the car, and the car itself. Having said that, I'd love a nice clean one! I also love the W126, and again, the SDLs I've seen look like they were purchased to put LOTS of miles on them, and the ones i've seen show it. Maybe a 420 or 560? The W124 has been good so far, and maybe even a wago or a diesel version of it. I see a few guys have 190s here. so what are the general tougths. I don't drive a lot of miles, mostly shorter trips intown. Parking (size) isn't an issue, but the car is parked outdoors year round, so cold starts in the winter may be an issue? Well, I'm just thinking out loud and would like to hear some of your thougths on things to watch out for on W123s, W126s, with regards to mechanical stuff, where rust likes to start and any $pecial parts to check for. Guess I'm becoming a real Benz head as I was out changing the plugs at 1:00am last night. hee hee. Thanks for your thoughts Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which one next?
I'm in central ON Dwight. Ed On 15/06/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, Where in Canada are you? It has 140K miles. Dwight Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Wickford RI 02852 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:26 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Which one next? Thanks Dwight. Sounds like something I'd be interested in, but I really want something closer to home. Just curious, what kind of mileage does it have? Thanks again, Ed 300E On 15/06/07, Dwight E. Giles, Jr [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ed, I am in southern RI, East of Kansas. my neighbor has a really nice 86 560sel that he is selling, he is asking $5000, USD. I would buy it except for the gas mileage and I am committed to my diesel fleet. Let me know if you'd like pictures and description as I am getting ready to post on our local Craigslist. Let me know if you want more information. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 3:08 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Which one next? Hi Everyone, Well, after having the 300E just a little over 2 months, I'm kind of hooked. As you know, it has had lots of miles, (340,000 kms now) and needed a little sorting. More than anything, I think the car needed to be reminded it was loved and in a car guys home now. :-) Spent a lot of time detailing it, going over things, oh, and driving it. The more I drive it, the better is seems. The plugs are not not fouling anything like they were, but the oil is dirty with just 1000 or so kms. I think all the crud in the engine is being cleaned out, so the oil is doing it's just. I was goign to go synth next oil change, but I think I'll give it one more dino and change again in about 1500 kms. I want to clean it out well before doing synth. I don't fancy dumping synth at $60-70 for a change in just a couple of thousand clicks. Anyway, I'm now in the market for a second. Problem is, what to get?? I like several. As I said before, gas mileage isn't really a big deal, but if prices continue to go the way they are, maybe it will be. :-( I've always loved the W123, both sedan and wagon. Hard to get good ones here as most I've seen are rusty. I know they go a long time, but I don't really buy into mileage doesn't matter with W123s. It's a machine, and the engine it just one part. There are lots of things to go wrong with mileage, trans, suspension, every part bolted to the car, and the car itself. Having said that, I'd love a nice clean one! I also love the W126, and again, the SDLs I've seen look like they were purchased to put LOTS of miles on them, and the ones i've seen show it. Maybe a 420 or 560? The W124 has been good so far, and maybe even a wago or a diesel version of it. I see a few guys have 190s here. so what are the general tougths. I don't drive a lot of miles, mostly shorter trips intown. Parking (size) isn't an issue, but the car is parked outdoors year round, so cold starts in the winter may be an issue? Well, I'm just thinking out loud and would like to hear some of your thougths on things to watch out for on W123s, W126s, with regards to mechanical stuff, where rust likes to start and any $pecial parts to check for. Guess I'm becoming a real Benz head as I was out changing the plugs at 1:00am last night. hee hee. Thanks for your thoughts Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Which one next?
Ed wrote: Hee hee, if I was in the US, I'm probably be standing in your driveway now with my lunchbag of $20s as Leno would say. :-) I've seen pics of your car and it looks really nice. I really would prefer a local car though. By the time I fly down, drive it back, do all the paperwork and exchanging plates, it's just a little more work than I wanted. But thanks Donald, I appreciate the offer. Well that's okay, I understand. Besides, Bill R. is probably getting irritated with me because I keep promoting it to others on the list. Donald H. Snook 1990 300SEL 138K For Sale
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing
Dan, My question might be similar to Ed's-I am concerned about the corrosion rust under hood of all of my cars because I live near salt water. I se a lot of white corrosion in the engine compartments, esp. on the aluminum. Fellow RI lister John Peterson uses some kind of marine rust retardant spray on his 300D. All suggestions appreciated, as I need to clean the engines and protect them both summer and winter. Thanks, Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. 1979 240D-250K + miles 1990 300D 2.5t 135K miles Wickford, RI -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of LWB250 Sent: Friday, June 15, 2007 5:24 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing Cosmoline. head smack I couldn't remember the name of the stuff at the time. You can probably find this or something similar at an industrial engine supply house, or possibly a truck supply place that would deal with industrial engines like pumps or compressors. Cosmoline is pretty heavy duty stuff, and not something I would put on a working engine or engine compartment. It's meant as a moisture barrier and intended for long term storage. On a related note, there are some really cool things that aircraft engine manufacturers sell now for long term storage on Lycoming and other air-cooled aviation engines. They're plastic tubes that screw into the spark plug ports, and inside the tubes is a dessicant that absorbs any moisture that might form in the cylinder while the engine is mothballed. I'm sure you could use them for long term (such as winter) storage on an automobile engine, too. Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, I read in the manual that Mercedes use and wax based oil for rust protection in the engine bay. I see traces of it in mine. I've done such a good just of cleaning the engine or grease and crud, I want to protect it with something (outside) as the car is subjected very salty roads in the winter, and parked outside. I know I'm planning ahead, but summer passes fast. :-( Ed 300E On 15/06/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall the name, but it's typically applied by spraying. It was also impregnated in heavy paper for wrapping parts to prevent corrosion. Phillips makes a very good preservative oil you can add to the crankcase - it's used by the aviation industry for pickling engines, and I have used it on industrial engines that were pickled as well. It's called Phillips Multi-Viscosity Anti-Rust Oil and is sold by the gallon. It can be used as a break-in oil as well. I used to write long term storage procedures for stationary industrial engines - what are you looking to do? Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the dealer sells that wax type stuff they often use in the engine bay to protect against rust? If so, how is it applied? Is it a spray on, or liquid? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Sick sense of humor? Visit Yahoo! TV's Comedy with an Edge to see what's on, when. http://tv.yahoo.com/collections/222 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] value of '83 300D in bio-land?
What would a '83 300D in reasonably good shape be selling for out in Washington or other biodiesel-crazed areas? 175,000 miles. -- 1983 300D 1966 230
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing
On 15/06/07, E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again, something to keep in mind for when the 911 goes away. You seem to know a lot about long term storage. Just curious, do they ever put any of those planes out in the Arizona desert back into service, or are they stored more to harvest parts from? Ed 300E Ed, I saw a show on PBS a while back, it's available on their website I think, that shows them putting the newer-ish ones into flight readiness to be sold to a foreign countryusually Middle East or developing Some are in a long term standby... Jeff Zedic
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes rust proofing
If you're talking about AMARG, the Aerospace Maintenance and Regeneration Group at Davis Monthan AFB in Arizona. What a wonderful place to wander around in, if you ever get the opportunity. For the most part, the only parts left to the elements are the fuselage and major metal parts, as they will suffer very little corrosion in the dry desert air. Avionics, engines, hydraulics and fuel systems are all removed, disassembled, tested, cleaned and cataloged for future use if they are for an airframe that's still in service. Most of what is there is Vietnam era stuff for the most part. Lots of B-52s, etc., even the occasional surplus rocket from NASA or Vandenburg AFB can be found laying around. I believe there is a museum adjacent to the base that takes tours of the storage area. Dunno myself - the times I was there I was working with the A-10 and EC-130 folks based there. Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thanks again, something to keep in mind for when the 911 goes away. You seem to know a lot about long term storage. Just curious, do they ever put any of those planes out in the Arizona desert back into service, or are they stored more to harvest parts from? Ed 300E On 15/06/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cosmoline. head smack I couldn't remember the name of the stuff at the time. You can probably find this or something similar at an industrial engine supply house, or possibly a truck supply place that would deal with industrial engines like pumps or compressors. Cosmoline is pretty heavy duty stuff, and not something I would put on a working engine or engine compartment. It's meant as a moisture barrier and intended for long term storage. On a related note, there are some really cool things that aircraft engine manufacturers sell now for long term storage on Lycoming and other air-cooled aviation engines. They're plastic tubes that screw into the spark plug ports, and inside the tubes is a dessicant that absorbs any moisture that might form in the cylinder while the engine is mothballed. I'm sure you could use them for long term (such as winter) storage on an automobile engine, too. Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Dan, I read in the manual that Mercedes use and wax based oil for rust protection in the engine bay. I see traces of it in mine. I've done such a good just of cleaning the engine or grease and crud, I want to protect it with something (outside) as the car is subjected very salty roads in the winter, and parked outside. I know I'm planning ahead, but summer passes fast. :-( Ed 300E On 15/06/07, LWB250 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't recall the name, but it's typically applied by spraying. It was also impregnated in heavy paper for wrapping parts to prevent corrosion. Phillips makes a very good preservative oil you can add to the crankcase - it's used by the aviation industry for pickling engines, and I have used it on industrial engines that were pickled as well. It's called Phillips Multi-Viscosity Anti-Rust Oil and is sold by the gallon. It can be used as a break-in oil as well. I used to write long term storage procedures for stationary industrial engines - what are you looking to do? Dan --- E M [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone know if the dealer sells that wax type stuff they often use in the engine bay to protect against rust? If so, how is it applied? Is it a spray on, or liquid? Thanks, Ed 300E ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search http://search.yahoo.com/search?fr=oni_on_mailp=graduation+giftscs=bz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] [Banned] members along I-40 or I-70
As you know, I live not too far north of i40 Luther wrote: I'm headed toward Reno this weekend/early next week. Who lives along either of these interstates? I'm leaning toward staying on I-40, but might change to I-70 if an old friend is home. Who might I visit and or have lunch with along the way? -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D 2.5 Turbo, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 190D status
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 06:22:05 -0700 Jim Cathey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I went to the parts car and found that it does have the throttle damper on it. I'm not sure if it's supposed to be a sluggish oil-filled thing, or more of an air-filled damper. The ones for the manual-transmission 617.912 is an oil-filled thing with definite resistance when trying to collapse the damper. The failure mode is no resistance. I bought a new one for my car when I did the changeover in 2002, but it has since died. I found that out one time when I had it disconnected and noticed it had no resistance. There were no other indications that it had failed. I removed it and have not replaced it. It was not clear where the other end of the damper hooked on the parts car, there was nothing obvious left in place. My car's engine had been hooked to an automatic transmission, so it had no provision for a damper. I had to go to a wrecking yard and get the part to be able to connect the damper. It uses ball-joint type connections and my injection pump has a threaded hole in the correct location. The part I got from the wrecking yard is the ball that attaches to the bellcrank for the throttle control of the injection pump. I removed the threaded ball, tossed the nut in my hardware box, and threaded the ball into the pump. The attached picture shows both of the ball joints for connecting the damper. Craig -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: dscn0236.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 166594 bytes Desc: not available Url : http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20070615/125a6505/attachment.jpg
