[MBZ] 380 SL ignition problem
Thanks for the info, I think you are jogging my memory. I knew this all sounded familiar. In her other 380SL, we had to spend $500 to buy a new black box. I knew I should have kept the new one when the car went down the road Nother reason why I never really trust gassers! Is the ignition control box specific to the 380 engine and/or to the SL? I am guessing any v-8 in the mid 80s (as in a 126) would make a worthy donor. I was hoping for a low dollar fix, but maybe that is not in the cards this time. Loren 380SL gone Wonko the insane! You could be describing the ignition problem I had with my 123.223 1983 Euro 230E. Maddening. Went on for months until finally it became permanent instead of intermittent. By that time I had learned to test it. Is it fire or fuel? Probably fire. Fire fails intermittently and does fine when it works. Fuel has a way of failing and refusing to go again. As best I can tell, this is a gasoline engine with a transistorized ignition. If not, stop now. If so, read on. I'm assuming this car has a coil with two primary leads, one fat wire going to a distributor cap, and a (green) ignition cable connecting from a control box to the distributor. If the coil has a (red, on mine) ball plug in the head of it between the primary terminals opposite the fat wire, and a plastic hood over the top of the coil, the plug is supposed to pop out if the coil overheats, and the hood is athere to catch the junk that comes out after the plug. I am not making this up; it comes out of the service manual. It sounds to me like your coil is AOK. . If the car is equipped as stated above, this test procedure will work: How I know should be obvious. You have to catch it in the act. When the beast refuses to start, hook a timing light inductive pickup to the coil fat wire. Hook timing light to battery appropriately. Crank it. Trigger the light. If there is fire, the timing light will flash. If there is no fire, you can rule out the ignition switch and coil by checking continuity across the primary terminals on the coil with switch on and/or cranking. If the ignition switch and/or coil are not the problem, the problem is either the ignition cable, the pulse generator in the distributor, or the ignition control box. I'm betting on the box. I didn't believe it either until it proved itself to me. It did not appear to overheat or do anything wrong, But it did fail. Unhook the cable from the control box; leave it hooked up to distributor. Resistance from center terminal to outer terminal should be 600 plus or minus 100 ohms. If OK, that rules out ignition cable and pulse generator. If not OK, disconnect cable from distributor and check each pin of pulse ganerator to ground. Resistance should exceed 200Kohms. If too small, problem is pulse generator. If OK, check pulse generator (two pins) for resistance from pin to pin. This is the resistance of the coil in the pulse generator. Should be about 600 plus or minus 100 ohms. If not, problem is pulse generator. If OK, (cable plus pulse generator fails resistance test, pulse generator without cable passes), problem is cable.. I don't know how to test the control box independent of the rest of the ignition, but if the ignition switch, coil, pulse generator and ignition cable are good, all that is left is the ignition control box. Try another control box. Problem should go away. Good luck. Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
That was quite amusing, Tom! I should add that the Braille is not on the screen where it's actually needed. I still have to have a sighted person help me with those things. It's easier to just go into the bank and take care of things with an actual person. Blindness does have it's advantages though. I can be more in tune with my Mercedes than the one who's driving it since I can hear every noise, feel every bump, etc. I don't need light wyile probing under the dash or way down inside the engine compartment, and there's been a few times I could feel some tiny or hard-to-reach/see part and was able to save the day. Of course, valve adjustment is quite a tactile job too, but that's where the advantages end since I can't see how much grease is under my fingernails after dealing with the oily valve train parts. I'll always remember how that dead '81 300CD was towed and pushed into the garage, but was able to be driven out of the garage under its own power once I adjusted the valves. I'll be quite a bit more confident when adjusting the valves on the '83 300SD. Right now, it's laid up in storage with the bad ball joint, but it doesn't have a place to park at the temporary apartment. By the end of the year, I'll have a new house with a garage in which to work on it. The ball joint will be done by the pros once I find a shop here in the Portland, OR area. Does anyone (Alex) have any recommendations? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
And the doors at the grocery say No dogs except for seeing eye dogs. Think about it. I guess it's there to inform those who bring pet doggies into the store. My seeing eye dog (Guide Dog) Joel reads all of the signs and can tell when lights are red or green too :-)! I've just got to get him to be able to figure out which pedal is for the brakes and which one gives her Diesel. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula 1999 Male Black Labrador Guide Dog, 250Kmi, Joel PS. He really has a mean, ferocious growl when you step on him! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
We've had 3 3.3L vans in the family, a 1990 Dodge Grand caravan, a 1991 Plymouth Voyager and a '05 Chrysler TC. We also had a '97 Grand Caravan with the 3.8L engine (don't know how similar this one is to the 3.3L). I've heard of the valve geometry problem with the Mitsu's and have been steering clear of them. I've heard so many horror stories about the electronically controlled automatics behind the 3.3's and 3.8's, but like Mike's friend, I was told that it's not usually the tranny components at fault, but rather the electronics. They are great vans, and I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300Sd 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
Been trying to fix a slow A/C leak in an '83 240D off and on for the past several months. Two local shops were not able to find the leak with their freon detectors, and I haven't been able to find it with four cans of UV dyed freon and a high tech UV source from a lab. I've checked the condensate water from the evaporator several times for UV dye with negative results. I can pull it down with a vacuum pump and put in the required weight of 134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Thanks. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
The late 80's / early 90's minivans with V6 engines had serious transmission problems the issue was the electronic controllers. But any still on the road today should be OK since they were replaced by Chrysler under warranty. Unfortunately, some transmissions were replaced 3, 4 5 times before the company figured out that the issue was software, not the transmission itself this really hurt the company's reputation. This was Chrysler's first venture into computer controlled transmissions and the mini-van was the first car that used the system. Chrysler eventually converted the entire fleet over to the system with excellent results. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 3:08 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel We've had 3 3.3L vans in the family, a 1990 Dodge Grand caravan, a 1991 Plymouth Voyager and a '05 Chrysler TC. We also had a '97 Grand Caravan with the 3.8L engine (don't know how similar this one is to the 3.3L). I've heard of the valve geometry problem with the Mitsu's and have been steering clear of them. I've heard so many horror stories about the electronically controlled automatics behind the 3.3's and 3.8's, but like Mike's friend, I was told that it's not usually the tranny components at fault, but rather the electronics. They are great vans, and I'd buy another one in a heartbeat. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300Sd 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
Kevin, Your valves were pretty far out to keep the car from running. I suspect the engine was cold would not start? If so then I've experienced the same thing. A few exhaust valve trains will tighten up enough to hold the valves very slightly open, dropping the compression enough to keep the car from starting. Also, my experience with Mercedes diesel valve trains is that the intake tends to get looser the exhaust tends to get tighter over time. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven That was quite amusing, Tom! I should add that the Braille is not on the screen where it's actually needed. I still have to have a sighted person help me with those things. It's easier to just go into the bank and take care of things with an actual person. Blindness does have it's advantages though. I can be more in tune with my Mercedes than the one who's driving it since I can hear every noise, feel every bump, etc. I don't need light wyile probing under the dash or way down inside the engine compartment, and there's been a few times I could feel some tiny or hard-to-reach/see part and was able to save the day. Of course, valve adjustment is quite a tactile job too, but that's where the advantages end since I can't see how much grease is under my fingernails after dealing with the oily valve train parts. I'll always remember how that dead '81 300CD was towed and pushed into the garage, but was able to be driven out of the garage under its own power once I adjusted the valves. I'll be quite a bit more confident when adjusting the valves on the '83 300SD. Right now, it's laid up in storage with the bad ball joint, but it doesn't have a place to park at the temporary apartment. By the end of the year, I'll have a new house with a garage in which to work on it. The ball joint will be done by the pros once I find a shop here in the Portland, OR area. Does anyone (Alex) have any recommendations? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start
On 6/28/07, Troy Kocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The only reported issue was once, three weeks ago, when my daughter reported it wanted to die when she came to a stop, at a traffic light . Later that evening by the time I got to the car I couldn't reproduce the problem. Stopped by my mechanic today and described the problem to him and thought I had flooded it at this point and advised taking out the plugs, getting the fuel out of they cylinders by cranking till it all is out. Replacing the plugs with new ones, Replacing the distributor cap rotor button. When I described the spark I was seeing from the plugs as 'bright white' he thought that strange as he typically sees a red spark from the plugs. Haven't tried smelling the plug hole, but when I removed the plug originally it was pretty dry. Right now ambient temp here is 90+F humidity of 80%. thanks for your continued input. . Hope I don't have to give up and tow it to the mechanic! :-( I think I'll try the plugs and rotor next. . seems reasonable. . Troy Kocher On 6/28/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OK we'll go back one step, in order for an engine to run you need three things; fuel/air mixture, compression and spark. This all has to happen at the right time obviously. Right now I am still focusing on fuel because losing compression all of a sudden is a rare thing, can happen if the valve timing is off. Losing ignition timing all of a sudden is also pretty rare, can happen if the dizzy came loose. When you crank it and then remove a plug, do you get a smell of fuel happening? If the engine is getting fuel but the timing is off you should be able to smell (and perhaps see a wet plug) fuel. Another possibility is that you have lost your cold start circuit, although unless it is really cold the engine will fire without that circuit. I take it that the car was running fine before it decided to stop playing ball? - Original Message - From: Troy Kocher [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Thursday, June 28, 2007 10:45 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Fwd: 190e 2.6 won't start I do have spark I tested the front most plug wire with a screwdriver. I also removed one of the center plugs, left it connected to the plug wire and watched it spark. . Troy On 6/27/07, Hendrik Riessen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A KE-jet engine will run without a working OVP relay, it will run without the injection computer working but will not run without a working ignition computer. You do have spark? Turned out, after replacing the plugs, rotor distributor cap it is running and back to normal. . thanks for all the help on this. . ! Troy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] surprising experience at autozone
On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 00:37:09 -0400, you wrote: i've been having a terrible time lately with customer service. we changed About 15 years ago I put new struts on Wife's Dodge 600. ( piece of crap car that went about 200Kmi with very little work). I eyeballed the alignment and took it to local Sears for final adjustments. 2 or 3 weeks later there is a clunk in Front. Jack up car, left front upper strut bolt is loose, not tightened after front end alignment. I call Sears with flame coming out my butt. Young girl answers, can I speak to Manager? I'm the service manager. Oh Crap. I explain situation. I'll have it towed in. I ask if I can eyeball align and drive it in for faster service. If you do that, you will be number one on the rack. I get there, this little girl puts my car on a lift and tears my left front suspension apart (Removes spindle!) in about 20 minutes. Checks for damage, reassembles and hands off to another tech to do a Lifetime Alignment. Thats my story, I'm sticking to it! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
If the leak is that big, I dont see any reason why you cant find it, should be pretty obvious. Did you check the compressor? What about the expansion valve? archer wrote: Been trying to fix a slow A/C leak in an '83 240D off and on for the past several months. Two local shops were not able to find the leak with their freon detectors, and I haven't been able to find it with four cans of UV dyed freon and a high tech UV source from a lab. I've checked the condensate water from the evaporator several times for UV dye with negative results. I can pull it down with a vacuum pump and put in the required weight of 134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Thanks. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] surprising experience at autozone
Peter, And I'll bet the lady reamed the tech who did the original job after you left. She did not get to where she was by being cute female. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Peter T. Arnold Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] surprising experience at autozone On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 00:37:09 -0400, you wrote: i've been having a terrible time lately with customer service. we changed About 15 years ago I put new struts on Wife's Dodge 600. ( piece of crap car that went about 200Kmi with very little work). I eyeballed the alignment and took it to local Sears for final adjustments. 2 or 3 weeks later there is a clunk in Front. Jack up car, left front upper strut bolt is loose, not tightened after front end alignment. I call Sears with flame coming out my butt. Young girl answers, can I speak to Manager? I'm the service manager. Oh Crap. I explain situation. I'll have it towed in. I ask if I can eyeball align and drive it in for faster service. If you do that, you will be number one on the rack. I get there, this little girl puts my car on a lift and tears my left front suspension apart (Removes spindle!) in about 20 minutes. Checks for damage, reassembles and hands off to another tech to do a Lifetime Alignment. Thats my story, I'm sticking to it! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
This is a R12 car and the Freon could be bleeding through the hoses. If this is the case, you'll have no oil stain. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D If the leak is that big, I dont see any reason why you cant find it, should be pretty obvious. Did you check the compressor? What about the expansion valve? archer wrote: Been trying to fix a slow A/C leak in an '83 240D off and on for the past several months. Two local shops were not able to find the leak with their freon detectors, and I haven't been able to find it with four cans of UV dyed freon and a high tech UV source from a lab. I've checked the condensate water from the evaporator several times for UV dye with negative results. I can pull it down with a vacuum pump and put in the required weight of 134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Thanks. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
Thanks to everyone, however I have put complete set of new injectors in the car. What I am looking for is the diaphragm for the CIS unit such that I can remove unit and clean out. I have tried to clean unit out, well as much as possible, but it appears that there is some solid trash in the unit and/or the diaphragm is not operating correctly. Initially at idle I was getting zero fuel on one cylinder (also tried different injector) after removing CIS unit and spraying CIS unit with carb cleaner I was able to get some fuel at idle, which improved the miss a bit. But it still is not correct. If I can not get a rebuild kit for the CIS unit I guess I could build a EFI system for the car and/or spend $1200 for a new CIS unit. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit I use to put the injector in a clean plastic water bottle and life the float and watch it spray. Not with the engine running of course. Careful, you are dealing with raw fuel, and with a CIS it's under a LOT of pressure!! CIS is Continous Injection System. Simple and durable system. I think some of the injectors also have small screens in them, as a last line of defense if the fuel filter misses something?? More often than not, I think they just gum up a little. No moving parts in them, so you can try to clean them somewhat. Good luck, Ed 300E On 08/07/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my experience, your issue is more likely a worn out injector. They are just mechanical poppet valves the spray pattern suffer badly at idle, where the least fuel flows. In case you did not already know, the fuel distributor does not act like a diesel distributor, where pulses are sent to each cylinder. The injection system continuously sprays fuel through all injectors, even at idle. You can imagine the very slight spray pattern at idle. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trampas Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:07 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuild kit for a CIS unit? I have narrowed down the slight miss at idle on my 560SEL to a cylinder not getting fuel at idle. Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 20, Issue 40
Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Yeah, the car is now in PHL area -- OK- but ppl will say they're from Philly but could be 30 miles from downtown! I'm in the western 'burbs if that's helpful..I think there are others sprinkled around. Personally I like the thought of a broken pressure sensing line- anything that interrupts/alters the pressure seen at the ALDA will cause the problems you describe. I bought an '87 SDL that way, where it was said the car simultaneously developed a bad turbo AND transmission (the tranny was a recent MB reman). Bypassed the swichover valve just before the ALDA and off we went. TOny Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
...134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Umm, replace the O-rings and the low pressure line? At least the O-rings, anyway. If they never were converted to the new style the R134a has decomposed them and they would be leaking. I don't know why such a leak wouldn't be easily detectable, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
Sounds like dried fuel in the unit. You can disassemble the two halves but there is no gasket and you need to use a special sealer when re-assembling. Some local mechanics have used one of the loctite products but I don't know which one. There is a control module on the side (don't remember the name). A better solution is to remove this module to completely submerge the unit in carb cleaner for about a week. You'll need to hold the plunger down so that the cleaner can more easily enter the upper chambers. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trampas Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:22 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit Thanks to everyone, however I have put complete set of new injectors in the car. What I am looking for is the diaphragm for the CIS unit such that I can remove unit and clean out. I have tried to clean unit out, well as much as possible, but it appears that there is some solid trash in the unit and/or the diaphragm is not operating correctly. Initially at idle I was getting zero fuel on one cylinder (also tried different injector) after removing CIS unit and spraying CIS unit with carb cleaner I was able to get some fuel at idle, which improved the miss a bit. But it still is not correct. If I can not get a rebuild kit for the CIS unit I guess I could build a EFI system for the car and/or spend $1200 for a new CIS unit. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of E M Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 11:17 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit I use to put the injector in a clean plastic water bottle and life the float and watch it spray. Not with the engine running of course. Careful, you are dealing with raw fuel, and with a CIS it's under a LOT of pressure!! CIS is Continous Injection System. Simple and durable system. I think some of the injectors also have small screens in them, as a last line of defense if the fuel filter misses something?? More often than not, I think they just gum up a little. No moving parts in them, so you can try to clean them somewhat. Good luck, Ed 300E On 08/07/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From my experience, your issue is more likely a worn out injector. They are just mechanical poppet valves the spray pattern suffer badly at idle, where the least fuel flows. In case you did not already know, the fuel distributor does not act like a diesel distributor, where pulses are sent to each cylinder. The injection system continuously sprays fuel through all injectors, even at idle. You can imagine the very slight spray pattern at idle. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Trampas Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 7:07 PM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit Does anyone know if you can buy a rebuild kit for a CIS unit? I have narrowed down the slight miss at idle on my 560SEL to a cylinder not getting fuel at idle. Trampas ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
How about a used fuel distributer? What car is this for? You could get a couple to play with - perhaps ending up with one that works. I think I read in the manual somewhere that the fuel distributer is a replacement only part. If I can not get a rebuild kit for the CIS unit I guess I could build a EFI system for the car and/or spend $1200 for a new CIS unit. Trampas -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
I did buy a complete used engine (117) for far less than a new fuel distributer - have lots of spare parts now --- On 7/9/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a used fuel distributer? What car is this for? You could get a couple to play with - perhaps ending up with one that works. I think I read in the manual somewhere that the fuel distributer is a replacement only part. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
The O-rings are just one issue. Some of the R12 lines are porous to R134A. If this is the case then the R134A will slowly bleed through the lines, leaving the oil behind since the oil can't pass through. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D ...134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Umm, replace the O-rings and the low pressure line? At least the O-rings, anyway. If they never were converted to the new style the R134a has decomposed them and they would be leaking. I don't know why such a leak wouldn't be easily detectable, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
Could also be the compressor front seal but if this were the case, the back side of the clutch would be damp with oil. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:32 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D ...134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Umm, replace the O-rings and the low pressure line? At least the O-rings, anyway. If they never were converted to the new style the R134a has decomposed them and they would be leaking. I don't know why such a leak wouldn't be easily detectable, though. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] surprising experience at autozone
Peter told us: I get there, this little girl puts my car on a lift and tears my left front suspension apart (Removes spindle!) in about 20 minutes. Checks for damage, reassembles... I think I'm in love Bob R. Waiting For Rain, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. Now, at 176K miles, it seem to be going through one quart each 600 miles or so. It had been one per 1200 miles for the longest time. Nothing is dripping on the drive. The exhaust looks right but smells a little off (you know what I mean). At last valve adjustment (10K ago or so) there was no chain stretch to speak of. She's running well overall. What do you reckon the deal is? Bob R. '77 300D 176K 91 degrees at 0620 hrs, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
archer wrote: Been trying to fix a slow A/C leak in an '83 240D off and on for the past several months. Two local shops were not able to find the leak with their freon detectors, and I haven't been able to find it with four cans of UV dyed freon and a high tech UV source from a lab. I've checked the condensate water from the evaporator several times for UV dye with negative results. I can pull it down with a vacuum pump and put in the required weight of 134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? How were the high side pressures? Does your aux fan work? I've seen excessive high side pressures cause the high side hose to just barely separate a fitting and leak there... IIRC, it only leaked with the system running. This was on a Honda, FWIW. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Open the oil fill cap when running. If smoke pours out then your blow by probably has finally exceeded what the system can handle crankcase pressure os pushing the oil out somewhere. This test does not work on some BMW's or Volvos as they ran positive crankcase pressure. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. Now, at 176K miles, it seem to be going through one quart each 600 miles or so. It had been one per 1200 miles for the longest time. Nothing is dripping on the drive. The exhaust looks right but smells a little off (you know what I mean). At last valve adjustment (10K ago or so) there was no chain stretch to speak of. She's running well overall. What do you reckon the deal is? Bob R. '77 300D 176K 91 degrees at 0620 hrs, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
I'll look today... Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Tom Hargrave Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 6:31 AM To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up Open the oil fill cap when running. If smoke pours out then your blow by probably has finally exceeded what the system can handle crankcase pressure os pushing the oil out somewhere. This test does not work on some BMW's or Volvos as they ran positive crankcase pressure. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Robert Rentfro Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:22 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. Now, at 176K miles, it seem to be going through one quart each 600 miles or so. It had been one per 1200 miles for the longest time. Nothing is dripping on the drive. The exhaust looks right but smells a little off (you know what I mean). At last valve adjustment (10K ago or so) there was no chain stretch to speak of. She's running well overall. What do you reckon the deal is? Bob R. '77 300D 176K 91 degrees at 0620 hrs, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
I'm really assuming that your dog tells lights based on position and not color. If you have a color-seeing dog, he's worth millions. On 7/9/07, Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kevin, Your valves were pretty far out to keep the car from running. I suspect the engine was cold would not start? If so then I've experienced the same thing. A few exhaust valve trains will tighten up enough to hold the valves very slightly open, dropping the compression enough to keep the car from starting. Also, my experience with Mercedes diesel valve trains is that the intake tends to get looser the exhaust tends to get tighter over time. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Kraly Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 2:56 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven That was quite amusing, Tom! I should add that the Braille is not on the screen where it's actually needed. I still have to have a sighted person help me with those things. It's easier to just go into the bank and take care of things with an actual person. Blindness does have it's advantages though. I can be more in tune with my Mercedes than the one who's driving it since I can hear every noise, feel every bump, etc. I don't need light wyile probing under the dash or way down inside the engine compartment, and there's been a few times I could feel some tiny or hard-to-reach/see part and was able to save the day. Of course, valve adjustment is quite a tactile job too, but that's where the advantages end since I can't see how much grease is under my fingernails after dealing with the oily valve train parts. I'll always remember how that dead '81 300CD was towed and pushed into the garage, but was able to be driven out of the garage under its own power once I adjusted the valves. I'll be quite a bit more confident when adjusting the valves on the '83 300SD. Right now, it's laid up in storage with the bad ball joint, but it doesn't have a place to park at the temporary apartment. By the end of the year, I'll have a new house with a garage in which to work on it. The ball joint will be done by the pros once I find a shop here in the Portland, OR area. Does anyone (Alex) have any recommendations? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Sunil Hari 1992 300D 2.5T - 290Kmi - for sale [EMAIL PROTECTED] 513-205-7474 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Yeah I'm kinda interested in that one too. Also if you check out that Dakota conversion its a na diesel. On the link page theres a video clip of them driving it (no tach or speedo mind you) where he says It doesn't have a ton of power since its not a turbo. I've pulled nearly 6000# with my Dakota, the 318 gasser handled it no problem. It also has no complaint at all with 2 snowmobiles on the trailer and one in the bed but I can't see a na 617 having much fun with that. I bet it'd do it, especially since my truck has the tow package but it'd be alot like driving an auto 240D. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Why is it that people who do things that DON'T require a 4wd will argue until they are blue in the face about why someone else doesn't need one? Mike - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- PHL
He is somewhere in the vicinity of Villanova, squatting for the summer somewhere til he gets a more formal living arrangement. --R Tony Wirtel wrote: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Yeah, the car is now in PHL area -- OK- but ppl will say they're from Philly but could be 30 miles from downtown! I'm in the western 'burbs if that's helpful..I think there are others sprinkled around. Personally I like the thought of a broken pressure sensing line- anything that interrupts/alters the pressure seen at the ALDA will cause the problems you describe. I bought an '87 SDL that way, where it was said the car simultaneously developed a bad turbo AND transmission (the tranny was a recent MB reman). Bypassed the swichover valve just before the ALDA and off we went. TOny Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
I'd take a Jetta over a Saturn any day, but the recent Jettas have had electrical problems or so I've heard. They may have gotten them sorted out by now, but I'd definitely be careful about any from the first half of the decade. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These Saturn owners need to drive an old Mercedes Diesel around for a while. I'm SURE GLAD that I was able to talk my Dad out of buying a Saturn. I thought they were cheap and cheesy and ha poor fit and finish as well as LOUSY interior comfort and room. The VW Jetta Wagon was a smaller car than the Saturn W300, but seemed to have either more space or a better use of the space it had. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] surprising experience at autozone
Very nice. That's the way things should be taken care of. Mike On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 00:37:09 -0400, you wrote: i've been having a terrible time lately with customer service. we changed About 15 years ago I put new struts on Wife's Dodge 600. ( piece of crap car that went about 200Kmi with very little work). I eyeballed the alignment and took it to local Sears for final adjustments. 2 or 3 weeks later there is a clunk in Front. Jack up car, left front upper strut bolt is loose, not tightened after front end alignment. I call Sears with flame coming out my butt. Young girl answers, can I speak to Manager? I'm the service manager. Oh Crap. I explain situation. I'll have it towed in. I ask if I can eyeball align and drive it in for faster service. If you do that, you will be number one on the rack. I get there, this little girl puts my car on a lift and tears my left front suspension apart (Removes spindle!) in about 20 minutes. Checks for damage, reassembles and hands off to another tech to do a Lifetime Alignment. Thats my story, I'm sticking to it! -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath
Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lesson number one, never insult the seller. This from the man who regularly posts ebay seller on crack listings LOL -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
All cars have design issues, even our beloved Mercedes. At least issues with 10 year old older cars have been identified and you can choose which issues you want to deal with for the car you want to drive. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:53 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven I'd take a Jetta over a Saturn any day, but the recent Jettas have had electrical problems or so I've heard. They may have gotten them sorted out by now, but I'd definitely be careful about any from the first half of the decade. Allan Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: These Saturn owners need to drive an old Mercedes Diesel around for a while. I'm SURE GLAD that I was able to talk my Dad out of buying a Saturn. I thought they were cheap and cheesy and ha poor fit and finish as well as LOUSY interior comfort and room. The VW Jetta Wagon was a smaller car than the Saturn W300, but seemed to have either more space or a better use of the space it had. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath
The correct statement is: Never insult the seller if you have an even remote interest in the car. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lesson number one, never insult the seller. This from the man who regularly posts ebay seller on crack listings LOL -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven
And the Dodge 5.2l 318 v8. The one in my Dakota has over 200,000 now with only a waterpump to show for it. Plenty of power for the Dakota chassis too. -Curt Date: Sun, 08 Jul 2007 18:18:06 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed so is the 5.7 350 v8 LWB250 wrote: The 3.8l V-6 is the M617 of the GM world. It's built like a brick doghouse, and can be run into the ground. Dan -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 94 E420, 92 300D, 92 250D Turbo, 92 300E 4Matic, (2x) 91 300D, 90 420SEL, 89 560SEL, 89 260E, 87 300SDL, 87 300TD, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 81 240D, 81 380SLC, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, 72 250C, 69 250 http://www.okiebenz.com - Finding fabulous fares is fun. Let Yahoo! FareChase search your favorite travel sites to find flight and hotel bargains. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
I'm with you, in a little car like the HHR how could 174hp not be plenty? I think part of it is how they now set the throttle to open like 75% of the way in the first 25% of pedal throw. That leaves people thinking its got no high end when they put their foot all the way into it. I HATE that, its so hard to just ease into a load. With my parent's Jeep Liberty I tend to put it in low range in the woods because its hard to go slow with out it. I hate doing that because I don't like to be in 4wd when I don't need it both because fuel consumption (which already sucks on a Liberty) skyrockets and because if you get stuck in 2wd you can get out in 4wd but if you're already in 4wd you're screwed. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:06:17 -0400 From: Gary Hurst [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic carunlessthe design and execution has been proven To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed to my mind, 174hp out of 2.4 liter naturally aspirated motor with a lot of torque is A ROCKET by any means. On 7/8/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the 2.2 ecotec is the best 4 gm has ever made. My Parents' little HHR has the 2.4L Ecotec engine in it, hopefully as robust as the 2.2L version. It puts out 174hp, not a rocket by any means. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula - Ready for the edge of your seat? Check out tonight's top picks on Yahoo! TV. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
- Original Message - From: Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] If the leak is that big, I dont see any reason why you cant find it, should be pretty obvious. Did you check the compressor? What about the expansion valve? --- The Harrison compressor is dry and shows no sign of leakage. I checked it several times. Same with the expansion valve; dry and no sign of leakage. Gerry --- archer wrote: Been trying to fix a slow A/C leak in an '83 240D off and on for the past several months. Two local shops were not able to find the leak with their freon detectors, and I haven't been able to find it with four cans of UV dyed freon and a high tech UV source from a lab. I've checked the condensate water from the evaporator several times for UV dye with negative results. I can pull it down with a vacuum pump and put in the required weight of 134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? Thanks. Gerry Archer '83 300D and 240D ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading)
My wife had an '87 I think Lancer that I think had a 2.2l turbo. Speedy car although all the interior electronic gizmos in the center console just blinked forlornely. I embarrased some guys in a Corvette one time, I smoked them off the line (manual trans vs auto box) and then managed to not get nabbed by officer friendly who then took them to the pokey because of some empty beer bottles rolling around on the floor. That Lancer was also seriously rusted out. I was surprised every time it passed inspection. I replaced about 4' of metal fuel line with rubber when it rusted off. Had to go nearly all the way back to the tank. It was my wife's first car, she didn't know you needed to look underneith before buying. I got $80 when I junked it. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:36:27 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy anydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to play with Chrysler 2.2 liter cars one of the cars I owned was a 89 Lebaron Coupe GTC. The intercooled Turbo II engine was factory rated at 174 HP. Fortunately, I live in Huntsville AL, where the brains were designed and manufactured. I knew the software guys got a off road only performance engine control computer. The new computer plus exhaust modifications pushed the engine to 224 HP. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading)
The place I worked at in the early 80s had a VW Rabbit diesel that we had modded with a turbo off a Cummins 4BT 3.9. That thing would pull stumps on the low end, but it topped out around 65 mph. I used to blow TransAms off at stoplights with it. The look on the driver's face was worth every second. Dan --- Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: My wife had an '87 I think Lancer that I think had a 2.2l turbo. Speedy car although all the interior electronic gizmos in the center console just blinked forlornely. I embarrased some guys in a Corvette one time, I smoked them off the line (manual trans vs auto box) and then managed to not get nabbed by officer friendly who then took them to the pokey because of some empty beer bottles rolling around on the floor. That Lancer was also seriously rusted out. I was surprised every time it passed inspection. I replaced about 4' of metal fuel line with rubber when it rusted off. Had to go nearly all the way back to the tank. It was my wife's first car, she didn't know you needed to look underneith before buying. I got $80 when I junked it. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:36:27 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy anydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to play with Chrysler 2.2 liter cars one of the cars I owned was a 89 Lebaron Coupe GTC. The intercooled Turbo II engine was factory rated at 174 HP. Fortunately, I live in Huntsville AL, where the brains were designed and manufactured. I knew the software guys got a off road only performance engine control computer. The new computer plus exhaust modifications pushed the engine to 224 HP. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Get the Yahoo! toolbar and be alerted to new email wherever you're surfing. http://new.toolbar.yahoo.com/toolbar/features/mail/index.php ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Curt Raymond wrote: Yeah I'm kinda interested in that one too. Also if you check out that Dakota conversion its a na diesel. I think I'd rather have the 2.5L/5sp Dakota in that case. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Ithought you might be interested in that question...LOL I am thinking of using a 5 cyl turbo MBZ engine for a substitute for the missing flathead 6 in my new M37 project. Figure it's got to be better than the measly 70HP or so that it had new. Mike Yeah I'm kinda interested in that one too. Also if you check out that Dakota conversion its a na diesel. On the link page theres a video clip of them driving it (no tach or speedo mind you) where he says It doesn't have a ton of power since its not a turbo. I've pulled nearly 6000# with my Dakota, the 318 gasser handled it no problem. It also has no complaint at all with 2 snowmobiles on the trailer and one in the bed but I can't see a na 617 having much fun with that. I bet it'd do it, especially since my truck has the tow package but it'd be alot like driving an auto 240D. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 06:31:06 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Why is it that people who do things that DON'T require a 4wd will argue until they are blue in the face about why someone else doesn't need one? Mike - Luggage? GPS? Comic books? Check out fitting gifts for grads at Yahoo! Search. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
- Original Message - From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- archer wrote: Been trying to fix a slow A/C leak in an '83 240D off and on for the past several months. Two local shops were not able to find the leak with their freon detectors, and I haven't been able to find it with four cans of UV dyed freon and a high tech UV source from a lab. I've checked the condensate water from the evaporator several times for UV dye with negative results. I can pull it down with a vacuum pump and put in the required weight of 134a one day, drive it that day with plenty of cold air blowing, and the next day there will be absolutely no pressure showing on the low pressure gauge. I've never replaced any O-rings and the low pressure rubber return line from the evaporator is the original. I'm wondering what the next thing to do would be? - How were the high side pressures? Does your aux fan work? I've seen excessive high side pressures cause the high side hose to just barely separate a fitting and leak there... IIRC, it only leaked with the system running. This was on a Honda, FWIW. John ___ High side pressures were normal and fan turned on and off when it would be expected to. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. What do you reckon the deal is? Vacuum pump? Does this one pump into the intake manifold? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Yeah, no doubt thereThe 2.5 is a peppy little thing. Wouldn't want to tow with it though. The MerKota would probably tow about anything you dared hook to it with the torque and superior qualities of the MBZ automatic. Mike Curt Raymond wrote: Yeah I'm kinda interested in that one too. Also if you check out that Dakota conversion its a na diesel. I think I'd rather have the 2.5L/5sp Dakota in that case. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Maybe this one is a DaCedes(pronounced DUH say dees;)) as it has no turbo Mike Yeah, no doubt thereThe 2.5 is a peppy little thing. Wouldn't want to tow with it though. The MerKota would probably tow about anything you dared hook to it with the torque and superior qualities of the MBZ automatic. Mike Curt Raymond wrote: Yeah I'm kinda interested in that one too. Also if you check out that Dakota conversion its a na diesel. I think I'd rather have the 2.5L/5sp Dakota in that case. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Pumps it into the air cleaner housingI rebuilt the vacuum pump about a month ago. It's working like a champ. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. What do you reckon the deal is? Vacuum pump? Does this one pump into the intake manifold? -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
While the AMG MB's are pretty fast, they're too heavy to be competitive - else you'd see them entered in races all over. It's almost impossible to remove weight from a street car - it's always easier to start from scratch. The AMG treatment for the V12 is pretty extensive - engine is removed, heads modified, pistons, crank and rods replaced and they eventually get 600-700hp out of it. The real attraction to the SEC (Coupe) and SEL (Sedan) V12s are the immense creature comforts while being able to cruise extremely fast and cover long distances. But they don't corner all that well - the weight is just too much of a handicap. http://www.mercedes-amg.com/CLK_Black_Series/ shows the SLK V8 which is the smaller 2 seat sport cars - a bit over 500 hp but awesome torque at 630. I'd love to find a nice 380SEC but that V12 has too many unknowns for me - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car I remember asking you guys about a V12 Benz I saw in Minneapolis some time ago - an S600. You told me it was legit. I saw another one last evening in Seattle, but this one was a coupe. And it may have had a manual tranny. (may have) See, it was stopped on a steep hill and rolled back maybe a foot to two feet before rolling forward on take off. Anyway - an awesome car. Sort of alpha of the herd? Also, I saw one of those new 2 seaters SLC? And it was an AMG. Got me wondering: how would it stack up performance wise against, say, the best performer Porsche has to offer today? Brian driver of sensible cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
In a message dated 7/9/2007 7:52:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pumps it into the air cleaner housingI rebuilt the vacuum pump about a month ago. It's working like a champ. Bob, Take that hose and let it pump into a coke bottle/or similar, for a few days. A vacuum pump will still work while sucking some oil through a slipped or cracked diaphragm. There should be zero oil in the bottle. Blow by is a function of engine horsepower being developed and all old Mercedes have a threshold which you should not exceed or you will find oil consumption increases. Maybe you are driving faster to get out of the heat quicker? Maybe a new route takes you up a long hill (??) on your commute to the plant? The blow by threshold will naturally move lower on the horsepower curve as the engine accumulates miles. You might have to slow down a couple miles per hour. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit
Maybe Kaleb has one? I did have one from a spare engine but it was left in the rain for several months... I was going to rebuild it but wanted to replace the diaphragm/gasket. Trampas -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of OK Don Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:41 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] CIS rebuild kit I did buy a complete used engine (117) for far less than a new fuel distributer - have lots of spare parts now --- On 7/9/07, OK Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about a used fuel distributer? What car is this for? You could get a couple to play with - perhaps ending up with one that works. I think I read in the manual somewhere that the fuel distributer is a replacement only part. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OT: Have you seen these TV ads
Hi guys. There's a Citi (bank) ad that shows a MB 190SL owned by a waitress and two guys talking about how to invest or sumpin' like that She chases the kid away from her car..Sorta' cute. And.. Does anybody believe the Lexus IS ad with the ball bearing rolling around, only to be caught by the driver when he flicks the wiper blade..??? C'mon!!! So the ad agency is batting .500 on those two... Take care, Chuck Phoenix AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] radiator exploded
Both cars had dubious pedigrees, so it is possible that even if he used MB coolant the damage had already been done. This was 5+ years ago. On 7/7/07, Marshall Booth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: My son had TWO 300SDs that experienced similar radiator failures, except that he continued to drive just a bit too long and toasted both engines I'll bet that both of them had green stuff in the cooling system! Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D
Well from what I have always been told when a system is converted to R134 from R12, the oil from the R12 over the years forms a natural barrier inside the hoses. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:51 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] Slow A/C leak 240D The O-rings are just one issue. Some of the R12 lines are porous to R134A. If this is the case then the R134A will slowly bleed through the lines, leaving the oil behind since the oil can't pass through. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
check the vacuum pump, diaphram could be torn and sucking oil in. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:21 AM Subject: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up It seems my oil consumption has crept up over the last several months. Now, at 176K miles, it seem to be going through one quart each 600 miles or so. It had been one per 1200 miles for the longest time. Nothing is dripping on the drive. The exhaust looks right but smells a little off (you know what I mean). At last valve adjustment (10K ago or so) there was no chain stretch to speak of. She's running well overall. What do you reckon the deal is? Bob R. '77 300D 176K 91 degrees at 0620 hrs, AZ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath
HAHA, yea but Im not there trying to buy his car!! I talk to people all the time who want WAY too much for their car. I just tell them that is more than I can spend and if they decide to sell in the xxx price range to give me a call. If you make them mad there is no chance they will call you back later with a reduced price. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Allan Streib [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:44 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lesson number one, never insult the seller. This from the man who regularly posts ebay seller on crack listings LOL -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath
exactly --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:53 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath The correct statement is: Never insult the seller if you have an even remote interest in the car. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading)
Those old chryslers were cool in a wierd sort of way. I always liked the electronic voice that said things like please fasten your seatbelt, your fuel is low, so on and so forth. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading) My wife had an '87 I think Lancer that I think had a 2.2l turbo. Speedy car although all the interior electronic gizmos in the center console just blinked forlornely. I embarrased some guys in a Corvette one time, I smoked them off the line (manual trans vs auto box) and then managed to not get nabbed by officer friendly who then took them to the pokey because of some empty beer bottles rolling around on the floor. That Lancer was also seriously rusted out. I was surprised every time it passed inspection. I replaced about 4' of metal fuel line with rubber when it rusted off. Had to go nearly all the way back to the tank. It was my wife's first car, she didn't know you needed to look underneith before buying. I got $80 when I junked it. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:36:27 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy anydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to play with Chrysler 2.2 liter cars one of the cars I owned was a 89 Lebaron Coupe GTC. The intercooled Turbo II engine was factory rated at 174 HP. Fortunately, I live in Huntsville AL, where the brains were designed and manufactured. I knew the software guys got a off road only performance engine control computer. The new computer plus exhaust modifications pushed the engine to 224 HP. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 380 SL ignition problem
First, I dunno. Try me on gassers with fewer cylinders, like four. I do know that the ignition control box for my 4 cylinder gasser (which BTW just went south on me; one reason I am anything like glib on this) is the same as on a 6 cylinder 280E of similar age. I conclude the boxes don't care how many cylinders you have if you have four or six. I'd think it would be true that cyulinders don't count for eight cylinders also, and maybe all ignitions with ballas resistors interchange and all that don't also interchange, but I am speculating there. It would seem to be too much to ask that the boxes be so universal. Second, there should be a part number, or maybe actually two part numbers, one Benz, like 000 000 00 00, and one Bosch, like 0 000 000 or something like that, on the box. The Benz part number is are the key. I don't think any of the auto parts stores I know about can take a part number and find all the applications. Hollander's Manual may be able to identify interchanges. Try Rusty at www.buymbparts.com, who enables all of us to sound off about this stuff. He may be able to tell you about applications. Failing that, Google on mercedes ignition control. The sources found by Googling, or some of them. can be reverse interrogated or engineered to find interchanges. Choose a year, choose a model, name a part. It is easy to see how someone knowing a little about models could see if the same box worked on some other eight cylinder car. Did you see the one by the fellow who repaired a box? Didn't sound impossible. Maybe that's the ticket. Good luck. Message: 4 Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 01:08:13 -0500 From: Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] 380 SL ignition problem To: [EMAIL PROTECTED], Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Thanks for the info, I think you are jogging my memory. I knew this all sounded familiar. In her other 380SL, we had to spend $500 to buy a new black box. I knew I should have kept the new one when the car went down the road Nother reason why I never really trust gassers! Is the ignition control box specific to the 380 engine and/or to the SL? I am guessing any v-8 in the mid 80s (as in a 126) would make a worthy donor. I was hoping for a low dollar fix, but maybe that is not in the cards this time. Loren 380SL gone Wonko the insane! Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] EarthLink Revolves Around You. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
I am driving a bit faster (80-85mph vice 75mph) to stay in the flow of traffic now that I'm driving out to the plant at 0600 hrs vice 0500 hrs. Maybe I'll take the back way through Buckeye for a week or two and see what happens. Thanks, Mr. Jim. Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:31 AM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up In a message dated 7/9/2007 7:52:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Pumps it into the air cleaner housingI rebuilt the vacuum pump about a month ago. It's working like a champ. Bob, Take that hose and let it pump into a coke bottle/or similar, for a few days. A vacuum pump will still work while sucking some oil through a slipped or cracked diaphragm. There should be zero oil in the bottle. Blow by is a function of engine horsepower being developed and all old Mercedes have a threshold which you should not exceed or you will find oil consumption increases. Maybe you are driving faster to get out of the heat quicker? Maybe a new route takes you up a long hill (??) on your commute to the plant? The blow by threshold will naturally move lower on the horsepower curve as the engine accumulates miles. You might have to slow down a couple miles per hour. Regards, Jim Friesen Phoenix AZ 79 300SD, 267 K miles 98 ML 320, 151 K miles ** See what's free at http://www.aol.com. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading)
That's a little creepy Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading) Those old chryslers were cool in a wierd sort of way. I always liked the electronic voice that said things like please fasten your seatbelt, your fuel is low, so on and so forth. --- Kaleb C. Striplin Cox Auto Trader 730 PP Supervisor - Original Message - From: Curt Raymond [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Diesel List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 9:26 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading) My wife had an '87 I think Lancer that I think had a 2.2l turbo. Speedy car although all the interior electronic gizmos in the center console just blinked forlornely. I embarrased some guys in a Corvette one time, I smoked them off the line (manual trans vs auto box) and then managed to not get nabbed by officer friendly who then took them to the pokey because of some empty beer bottles rolling around on the floor. That Lancer was also seriously rusted out. I was surprised every time it passed inspection. I replaced about 4' of metal fuel line with rubber when it rusted off. Had to go nearly all the way back to the tank. It was my wife's first car, she didn't know you needed to look underneith before buying. I got $80 when I junked it. -Curt Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 21:36:27 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy anydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I used to play with Chrysler 2.2 liter cars one of the cars I owned was a 89 Lebaron Coupe GTC. The intercooled Turbo II engine was factory rated at 174 HP. Fortunately, I live in Huntsville AL, where the brains were designed and manufactured. I knew the software guys got a off road only performance engine control computer. The new computer plus exhaust modifications pushed the engine to 224 HP. - Take the Internet to Go: Yahoo!Go puts the Internet in your pocket: mail, news, photos more. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles
This is Chris, son of Rich. Me and the 84 300SD are in Bryn Mawr, which is a mile down the road from Villanova. I'm sending some pics to my dad so he can help me with the fix, but if someone nearby wants to help me out in person, I would be grateful. Contact me off list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] - I'm free all week (still looking for a job). Thanks a lot for everyones help. Chris Date: Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:51:42 -0500 From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- PHL To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed He is somewhere in the vicinity of Villanova, squatting for the summer somewhere til he gets a more formal living arrangement. --R Tony Wirtel wrote: Subject: Re: [MBZ] Road Trip Troubles -- Suggestions? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Yeah, the car is now in PHL area -- OK- but ppl will say they're from Philly but could be 30 miles from downtown! I'm in the western 'burbs if that's helpful..I think there are others sprinkled around. Personally I like the thought of a broken pressure sensing line- anything that interrupts/alters the pressure seen at the ALDA will cause the problems you describe. I bought an '87 SDL that way, where it was said the car simultaneously developed a bad turbo AND transmission (the tranny was a recent MB reman). Bypassed the swichover valve just before the ALDA and off we went. TOny Wirtel ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
I seem to remember the AMG Hammer made its popularity by appearing on a episode of Miami Vice back in the early 80's Harry 69 280 SEL 135,000 Miles 72 350SL ? 118,000 Miles 2004 VW Passat 4 Motion 1999 Mazda Miata ? -Original Message- From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sun, 8 Jul 2007 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car True, but I was referring to the little two-seater. That's what inspired my question. And yes, the AMG Hammer. I remember hearing about that car years ago on TV. Forget what show - not really a car-related show, just some show about incredible things. It said it was the fastest production car in the world I believe. Of course that's a broad brush. I thought the Ford Cobra held that title. Of course I have more respect for a car that can perform like that and still be a whole car (as in not some light sheet metal on a tiny frame like a Cobra). But what a killer name - AMG Hammer! I remember seeing Ken Shamrock walking around in a Hammer Strength t-shirt. Just said Hammer on the back. As impressive as these cars we're talking about. A bit off topic I have strayed. Brian Ed wrote: A lot of the AMG are big thumping engines, in be boat cars. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Check Out the new free AIM(R) Mail -- Unlimited storage and industry-leading spam and email virus protection. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 20, Issue 43
No. Kaleb's correct. If you insult the seller, you unwittingly reveal that you have nothing better to do. You may run into him again, much as if you shoot the finger to someone who then turns up stopped next to you at a light. Did you ever do that? I have. Oh. The tongue is the only tool that grows sharper with use. Learn to bite yours: It doesn't hurt, and it will help you out in the long run. You can always think about and even hone what you could have said, later, at absolutely no risk or cost. Robert Bigham Message: 2 Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 08:53:43 -0500 From: Tom Hargrave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath To: 'Mercedes Discussion List' mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The correct statement is: Never insult the seller if you have an even remote interest in the car. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Allan Streib Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:44 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath Kaleb C. Striplin [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Lesson number one, never insult the seller. This from the man who regularly posts ebay seller on crack listings LOL -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
Tom Hargrave wrote: Also, my experience with Mercedes diesel valve trains is that the intake tends to get looser the exhaust tends to get tighter over time. My experience with Mercedes valves has been the opposite. The intakes most often get tighter resulting in poor compression and difficulty starting. Rarely do exhausts get so far out that they impede starting, but it can happen. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading)
Years ago the original NeXT operating system (which now survives, modified, as Mac OS X) had a voice that would say, in a very refined english accent, Your print-ahhh is out of pay-pahhh whenever you tried to print something and there was no paper in the printer. More than once I jumped because I thought someone had come into the room behind me. Don't know if OS X still does that... Allan Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That's a little creepy Bob R -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kaleb C. Striplin, work Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 8:55 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Domestic cars (I got tired of the long heading) Those old chryslers were cool in a wierd sort of way. I always liked the electronic voice that said things like please fasten your seatbelt, your fuel is low, so on and so forth. -- 1983 300D 1966 230 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
On 7/9/07, Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The ball joint will be done by the pros once I find a shop here in the Portland, OR area. Does anyone (Alex) have any recommendations? The only place I really trust is MBI Motors on the corner of Hawthorne and 13th. I can't say enough good things about that shop---they are universally known as the old Mercedes experts in Portland and seem to be just as ready to work on a Gullwing or a 6.3 as the most clapped-out 240D. Make sure you talk to Sig, the owner, on the phone---he is sometimes hard to get hold of, but happy to talk old cars at length once you have his attention. The only other place I've taken a Benz to in the Portland area is German Auto Service on SW Nimbus Ave. (near Washington Square). Nice guys and probably OK for regular service but they seem to know BMWs and Audis better than M-Bs. Alex Chamberlain in Portland, OR '87 300D that goes like stink since I turned up the ALDA and fixed all the vacuum leaks! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 114 aftermath
You're right of course. I would never ever buy anything from this guy. In fact if I can help it I'll never have any dealings with him at all. He's either an idiot or a shyster. He insisted all through our conversation that the car was a good one and totally worth $3800. I just couldn't help myself. The only way he could have gotten worse from me was if he'd been wearing plaid pants and white shoes. -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 11:03:28 -0500 From: Robert Bigham [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Digest, Vol 20, Issue 43 To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII No. Kaleb's correct. If you insult the seller, you unwittingly reveal that you have nothing better to do. You may run into him again, much as if you shoot the finger to someone who then turns up stopped next to you at a light. Did you ever do that? I have. Oh. The tongue is the only tool that grows sharper with use. Learn to bite yours: It doesn't hurt, and it will help you out in the long run. You can always think about and even hone what you could have said, later, at absolutely no risk or cost. Robert Bigham - Building a website is a piece of cake. Yahoo! Small Business gives you all the tools to get online. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
On 7/8/07, John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: LarryT wrote: Thx John (and Jim C), Youy wrote:three cans on ebay for about $15 a can - is that the R12? Or a R12 substitute? Genuine R12. :) Can you trust an eBay seller of R12, though? I'd be leery that the cans had been relabled and actually contained whatever-ethane. Maybe if they have some kind of factory seal like the Microsoft holograms on genuine Windows CDs (not that those can't be forged, too, but apparently it's a little bit of reassurance). Alex Chamberlain '87 300D with a functioning R12 system (knock on wood) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] surprising experience at autozone
I'm in love too. Bob, if you want some rain, come visit me, or I'll send you some. Our river is way it's dangerous flow rate of 70,000 cfs at 205,000cfs. Every other creek has been at full capacity for about a month now, and it's still raining today. Luther On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 08:11:01 -0500, Robert Rentfro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Peter told us: I get there, this little girl puts my car on a lift and tears my left front suspension apart (Removes spindle!) in about 20 minutes. Checks for damage, reassembles... I think I'm in love Bob R. Waiting For Rain, AZ -- Luther KB5QHUAlma, Ark '87 300SDL (272,xxx mi) head case '85 Ford F250 6.9 diesel (x58,xxx mi) BioBeast '82 300CD (166 kmi) '82 300D (74 kmi) getting donor engine-sold '85 300D (280,176) parts car sans engine ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car
I think you'd like the 500 SEC too Larry. Pretty strong engine. May like it over the later 560 SEC as they said it was not as softly sprung and a little more sporty. As sporty as a boat can be on 15 inch rims anyway. :-) At one time, all the F1 guys had them. I think many of the V8 AMGs are faster around the the track than the V12 and biturbos. many say it's just a big lump sitting in from that you just can't get the thing to turn in. Like you said, they are best used to cover long distances at high speed in comfort. Ed 300E On 09/07/07, LarryT [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While the AMG MB's are pretty fast, they're too heavy to be competitive - else you'd see them entered in races all over. It's almost impossible to remove weight from a street car - it's always easier to start from scratch. The AMG treatment for the V12 is pretty extensive - engine is removed, heads modified, pistons, crank and rods replaced and they eventually get 600-700hp out of it. The real attraction to the SEC (Coupe) and SEL (Sedan) V12s are the immense creature comforts while being able to cruise extremely fast and cover long distances. But they don't corner all that well - the weight is just too much of a handicap. http://www.mercedes-amg.com/CLK_Black_Series/ shows the SLK V8 which is the smaller 2 seat sport cars - a bit over 500 hp but awesome torque at 630. I'd love to find a nice 380SEC but that V12 has too many unknowns for me - Larry T (67 MGB, 74 911, 78 240D, 91 300D) www.youroil.net for Oil Analysis and Weber Parts Test Results http://members.rennlist.com/oil PORSCHE POSTERS! youroil.net Weber Carb Info http://members.rennlist.com/webercarbs Porsche Road Test http://members.rennlist.com/roadtest/ . - Original Message - From: Zoltan Finks [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 3:29 PM Subject: [MBZ] Big City Big Time Car I remember asking you guys about a V12 Benz I saw in Minneapolis some time ago - an S600. You told me it was legit. I saw another one last evening in Seattle, but this one was a coupe. And it may have had a manual tranny. (may have) See, it was stopped on a steep hill and rolled back maybe a foot to two feet before rolling forward on take off. Anyway - an awesome car. Sort of alpha of the herd? Also, I saw one of those new 2 seaters SLC? And it was an AMG. Got me wondering: how would it stack up performance wise against, say, the best performer Porsche has to offer today? Brian driver of sensible cars ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.476 / Virus Database: 269.10.2/890 - Release Date: 7/7/2007 3:26 PM ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] OM60x IP timing tool
Looks like I need to get ahold of the pin type timing tool for the 603 engine. Can anyone tell me the MB part number? Anyone have one for sale? With the lock pin installed, is the crank supposed to be 15 degrees before or after TDC? I have seen both on forums. Seems like that would make a lot of difference. Would anyone be kind enough to email me the procedure for changing the IP and adjusting IP timing? I still have not figured out where i put my 124 CD set. Thanks! Loren 1987 300TD in this case Et al Loren Faeth ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Alex Chamberlain wrote: Can you trust an eBay seller of R12, though? I'd be leery that the cans had been relabled and actually contained whatever-ethane. Maybe if they have some kind of factory seal like the Microsoft holograms on genuine Windows CDs (not that those can't be forged, too, but apparently it's a little bit of reassurance). Get ones that have rust and aged labels? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in thisday buyany domesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
I suspect the engine was cold would not start? Exactly right, Tom. Once the valves were adjusted, I could hear the compression strokes MUCH MORE DISTINCTLY while it was being turned over by the starter prior to firing up. The PO said that it got harder and harder to start until one day, nothing worked. Unfortunately, their attempts to get it started involved starter fluid which caused her to burn quite a bit of oil accompanied by LOTS of blowby. I ended up selling it, but it was quite the learning experience. Thanks once again for the knowledge you bring to the list! That is what makes it so great for all of us Mercedes enthusiasts. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyanydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
Yes, Sunil. I was trying to be funny. Joel knows nothing about lights and colors, but he does know that it's not safe to cross a street when cars are whizzing by his nose at highway speeds. Of course, he would take me across a street even with a red light if there were no cars, but also, he would refuse to move if a car crossed our path while crossing with the green light. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM60x IP timing tool
On Mon, 09 Jul 2007 14:35:50 -0500 Loren Faeth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would anyone be kind enough to email me the procedure for changing the IP and adjusting IP timing? I still have not figured out where i put my 124 CD set. Thanks! Sent. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Blow by? What is 'blow by'? Euan CHCH NZ Open the oil fill cap when running. If smoke pours out then your blow by probably has finally exceeded what the system can handle crankcase pressure os pushing the oil out somewhere. This test does not work on some BMW's or Volvos as they ran positive crankcase pressure. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up
Blow by is the compression gasses that leak past the rings. All engines have a certain amount but it increases as the engine wears. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Euan [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/09/07 04:00 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Oil Consumption Creeping Up -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Blow by? What is 'blow by'? Euan CHCH NZ Open the oil fill cap when running. If smoke pours out then your blow by probably has finally exceeded what the system can handle crankcase pressure os pushing the oil out somewhere. This test does not work on some BMW's or Volvos as they ran positive crankcase pressure. Thanks, Tom Hargrave www.kegkits.com 256-656-1924 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyanydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven
Smart dog, smarter than some of us, I'm afraid. Tom www.kegkits.com Original Message From: Kevin Kraly [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/09/07 03:44 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buyanydomesticcarunlessthe design and execution has been proven -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Yes, Sunil. I was trying to be funny. Joel knows nothing about lights and colors, but he does know that it's not safe to cross a street when cars are whizzing by his nose at highway speeds. Of course, he would take me across a street even with a red light if there were no cars, but also, he would refuse to move if a car crossed our path while crossing with the green light. Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T
Wherever there is profit, there is fraud and the same is true for freon. This is why I only buy R12 in 12 oz cans over the net. They are punctured when used can't be filled resealed. Original Message From: John Robbins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 07/09/07 03:31 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Bubbles in AC sight glass? 91 300D 2.5T -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Alex Chamberlain wrote: Can you trust an eBay seller of R12, though? I'd be leery that the cans had been relabled and actually contained whatever-ethane. Maybe if they have some kind of factory seal like the Microsoft holograms on genuine Windows CDs (not that those can't be forged, too, but apparently it's a little bit of reassurance). Get ones that have rust and aged labels? John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] OM60x IP timing tool
Loren Faeth wrote: Looks like I need to get ahold of the pin type timing tool for the 603 engine. Can anyone tell me the MB part number? Anyone have one for sale? With the lock pin installed, is the crank supposed to be 15 degrees before or after TDC? I have seen both on forums. Seems like that would make a lot of difference. Would anyone be kind enough to email me the procedure for changing the IP and adjusting IP timing? I still have not figured out where i put my 124 CD set. Thanks! 15+/- 1.5 deg ATDC for the timing tool and 24 deg BTDC using the drip method. Marshall -- Marshall Booth Ph.D. Ass't Prof. (ret.) Univ of Pittsburgh School of Medicine [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
On Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:19:19 -0700 (PDT), you wrote: I'm with you, in a little car like the HHR how could 174hp not be plenty? I think part of it is how they now set the throttle to open like 75% of the way in the first 25% of pedal throw. That leaves people thinking its got no high end when they put their foot all the way into it. I HATE that, its so hard to just ease into a load. With my parent's Jeep Liberty I tend to put it in low range in the woods because its hard to go slow with out it. I hate doing that because I don't like to be in 4wd when I don't need it both because fuel consumption (which already sucks on a Liberty) skyrockets and because if you get stuck in 2wd you can get out in 4wd but if you're already in 4wd you're screwed. -Curt My 2.4L engined HHR has plenty of power. To attest to this I can refer you to the Virginia State Trooper who rewaded me with a $172 ticket on Sunday! He had no sense of humor about 78mph in a 65 Zone on Rt81. -- Regards, Peter T. Arnold 2007 HHR, 2.4L/Auto, LT2, 12Kmi, No problems! 1987 300SDL 280KMI Inherited by Grandson 1995 F-250 PowerChoke 199Kmi 1954 Metropolitan Convertible, Hanger Queen Wife has a Cruizer, 80 Kmi, as reliable as an Ice Box, the car that is! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] why you can't even in this day buy any domestic car unlessthe design and execution has been proven
You shouldn't impede the flow of traffic like that. You deserve a ticket. I hope you were staying in the right lane. --R Peter T. Arnold wrote: My 2.4L engined HHR has plenty of power. To attest to this I can refer you to the Virginia State Trooper who rewaded me with a $172 ticket on Sunday! He had no sense of humor about 78mph in a 65 Zone on Rt81. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
It seems than at Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ithought you might be interested in that question...LOL I am thinking of using a 5 cyl turbo MBZ engine for a substitute for the missing flathead 6 in my new M37 project. Figure it's got to be better than the measly 70HP or so that it had new. Is there room under the hood of an old PowerWagon for the 6 cylinder? I've heard of folks putting 4BTs in there. An OM617 turbo would do better than the original - but if your going to the trouble of a custom engine I suppose you might as well make a _big_ change! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Hi Phillip, I have done a ton of research and thinking on the best swap for the M37. The 4BTA is actually the very best choice as far as a hard working, strong pulling, great mileage choice. The downfall is that a well used 4BT(not even the aftercooled BTA) is at least a couple thousand dollars. A custom built Ranger overdrive unit at $1500(there are 2 in the world) can be used to couple to the original SM420 tranny and with the 5.83 diffs and 39 inch tall tires will allow a crusing RPM of 1900 at 60MPH. Perfect for the Cummins. another choice is a modern overdrive manual tranny with custom adapters or the easiest choice but least strong is a 700R4 automatic built to the gills to hold up to the torque. Any of the above choices are way too costly for me so... The original engine is a 215ci flathead 6 governed at 3200RPM and runs into a 4 speed trans with a 1:1 output to a divorced transfer case. The flathead puts out [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 94hp at 3400rpm200 above the governor. I am not familiar enough to spout off #'s for the HP specs of a 5cyl MBZ diesel but I am certain they are better than that and I know they will rev WAY higher so I would have no need for an overdriven transmission.The MB auto would be perfect for the job. The 6 would be nicer for the power but the 5 would fit much better(a slant 6 Dodge motor will fit in one) and they are much more common in the PnP yards around here. I can always pick up a rusty 300D for a few hundred bucks here in the land of salt and rust. I plan on using it as a commuter rather than a dedicated work truck now anyway. Mike It seems than at Mon, 9 Jul 2007 07:33:25 -0700 (PDT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ithought you might be interested in that question...LOL I am thinking of using a 5 cyl turbo MBZ engine for a substitute for the missing flathead 6 in my new M37 project. Figure it's got to be better than the measly 70HP or so that it had new. Is there room under the hood of an old PowerWagon for the 6 cylinder? I've heard of folks putting 4BTs in there. An OM617 turbo would do better than the original - but if your going to the trouble of a custom engine I suppose you might as well make a _big_ change! -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] for you many soccer fans out there
our atlanta silverbacks move up a league to play an MLS team in the us open cup in half an hour. i am told that FC Dallas will stream the game at http://fc.dallas.mlsnet.com/t104/ i'm sure all you are anxious to see if the red hot silverbacks can pull off this upset. the lads assure me that they are confident and are playing to win! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Is this what you're talking about? http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/ On 7/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Phillip, I have done a ton of research and thinking on the best swap for the M37. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge diesel conversions, Was: 300D Dodge Dakota
IIRC the na 617 is 90something hp and the turbo is around 120, not sure of the torque numbers. Seems like the torque numbers might be the tough side, I imagine though they're low hp the original 6 had good torque. Some time ago I postulated putting a 616 into a Jeep CJ3B. Both put out around 72hp but it was speculated that the added weight might not help with the 3b's economy any. I'm with you that the Mercedes engine will rev alot higher, 5500 IIRC. Is regearing the M37 not an option? How driveable at higher speeds do you think one of these would be? Meaning if the frontend was only designed for 55mph how would it do with 65? -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Phillip, I have done a ton of research and thinking on the best swap for the M37. The 4BTA is actually the very best choice as far as a hard working, strong pulling, great mileage choice. The downfall is that a well used 4BT(not even the aftercooled BTA) is at least a couple thousand dollars. A custom built Ranger overdrive unit at $1500(there are 2 in the world) can be used to couple to the original SM420 tranny and with the 5.83 diffs and 39 inch tall tires will allow a crusing RPM of 1900 at 60MPH. Perfect for the Cummins. another choice is a modern overdrive manual tranny with custom adapters or the easiest choice but least strong is a 700R4 automatic built to the gills to hold up to the torque. Any of the above choices are way too costly for me so... The original engine is a 215ci flathead 6 governed at 3200RPM and runs into a 4 speed trans with a 1:1 output to a divorced transfer case. The flathead puts out [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 94hp at 3400rpm200 above the governor. I am not familiar enough to spout off #'s for the HP specs of a 5cyl MBZ diesel but I am certain they are better than that and I know they will rev WAY higher so I would have no need for an overdriven transmission.The MB auto would be perfect for the job. The 6 would be nicer for the power but the 5 would fit much better(a slant 6 Dodge motor will fit in one) and they are much more common in the PnP yards around here. I can always pick up a rusty 300D for a few hundred bucks here in the land of salt and rust. I plan on using it as a commuter rather than a dedicated work truck now anyway. Mike - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
Go with the commercial body Sprinter and get the open box rear for that classic VW pick up look. I have seen a few around town. The first one just blew me away. They drop a box van back on them, so the truck should be able to haul what you need it too. clay On Jul 7, 2007, at 7:23 PM, Kevin Kraly wrote: Well, we've had a change of heart. Wifey is the Vice President of the local dragon boat club, and also happens to be the only one or who's spouse has a large enough and powerful enough truck to pull the trailerand boats. The total weight is around 8000#. The organization is too cheap to get a box truck to haul boats and gear, so the duty falls upon those who have vehicles to take up the slack and the wear and tear, not the path that such an organization should take, IMO. I've taken the advice of another board member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you suddenly didn't want it anymore? He won't buy a larger travel trailer since it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor powerful enough to safely perform. Well, I've had enough, so the truck is officially up for sale!! The travel trailer sits most of the time, so it's going too. All we really need is a SUV/Van to pull OUR 21 foot boat. I want it to be something that gets good mileage, is dependable, and can tow at least 5000#. Any suggestions? What is the feeling on a Sprinter van? I don't think I want to go near $50g for the new ML320CDI, but what about the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Diesel engine that's due to hit showrooms soon? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Our next vehicle (replacing the 2006 Dodge Ram Diesel
I would be wondering what the board had in mind for insurance coverage should there be an unfortunate event in which truck was involved in fatal misfortune while boats were hauled. Not the time to be figuring out who is getting screwed. One non-profit I work with is finding out it is better to have ducks in a row than try to get the gerbil out of rear end later. On Jul 8, 2007, at 6:28 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . I've taken the advice of another board member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you suddenly didn't want it anymore? He won't buy a larger travel trailer since it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor powerful enough to safely perform. I take it said board member doesn't have to sleep with Wifey and doesn't give a crap about the grief the VP of said organization will endure when Hubby sells off the truck and no one can haul said boats. Seems pretty childish overall to me...Can't anyone just speak up and say NO anymore? Gee, I need a bigger truck but I don't want anyone else to benefit from it, let alone an organization I am involved inSomeone has to drive there anyway..Why not be the one to pull the boats with a nice new diesel? is what I would ask said member. 8000# on a trailer is nothing for a good 1 ton truck these days. Just makes it ride nice. Sounds like the proverbial cutting off the nose to spite the face... Mike Well, we've had a change of heart. Wifey is the Vice President of the local dragon boat club, and also happens to be the only one or who's spouse has a large enough and powerful enough truck to pull the trailerand boats. The total weight is around 8000#. The organization is too cheap to get a box truck to haul boats and gear, so the duty falls upon those who have vehicles to take up the slack and the wear and tear, not the path that such an organization should take, IMO. I've taken the advice of another board member who said what happens if you're truck wasn't available or if you suddenly didn't want it anymore? He won't buy a larger travel trailer since it will require a Diesel to pull it, and this would make him the next one with the job to pull the boats which his V8 Dodge Dakota isn't heavy nor powerful enough to safely perform. Well, I've had enough, so the truck is officially up for sale!! The travel trailer sits most of the time, so it's going too. All we really need is a SUV/Van to pull OUR 21 foot boat. I want it to be something that gets good mileage, is dependable, and can tow at least 5000#. Any suggestions? What is the feeling on a Sprinter van? I don't think I want to go near $50g for the new ML320CDI, but what about the Jeep Grand Cherokee with the Diesel engine that's due to hit showrooms soon? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] for the Texans on the list
Tick tick tick.. wonder how long before Royce caves and just has to have a benz, any benz, now... just give me a benz now! Any color, any condition, NOW On Jul 8, 2007, at 7:52 AM, Royce Engler wrote: From: Rich Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] I see Billy Gibbons driving a Benz around occasionally. He is one sharp-dressed man. --R Has he got a fine fox in front...and three mo in the back, sportin' short dresses, wearin' high heel shoes, smokin' lucky strikes and wearin' nylons too? Nah, I guess that would be the new Cadillac ;-) Well, folks, after 19 years, I'm Benzless. Delivered my 300TD to Al Gulseth last Saturday after driving it for 17 years and putting 260,000 miles on it. It was like parting with an old friend, but I know he went to a good home. SWMBO finally put her foot down and said there were too many cars in the driveway, and I made a tactical error in not having another MB in the stable. I was looking for one, but had to take advantage of a deal on my daughter's '01 Expedition instead. Oh, well, it gives me some breathing room to look for just the right MB. TTFN Royce Engler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Portland Service Centers (was RE: why you can't etc.)
I can totally second MBI; they do excellent work at reasonable prices (expensive, of course, because all automotive work is expensive, but significant cheaper than the dealer on labor). And it's great to see their parking lot, just *filled* with MBs. I always have them do anything I can't manage myself (like rebuilding my suspension and drivetrain mounts, once I figured out that I couldn't even get the diff mount off the vehicle...) Stuart S. 1976 300d w115 Alex Chamberlain said: The only place I really trust is MBI Motors on the corner of Hawthorne and 13th. I can't say enough good things about that shop---they are universally known as the old Mercedes experts in Portland and seem to be just as ready to work on a Gullwing or a 6.3 as the most clapped-out 240D. Make sure you talk to Sig, the owner, on the phone---he is sometimes hard to get hold of, but happy to talk old cars at length once you have his attention. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dodge diesel conversions, Was: 300D Dodge Dakota
Comments below. IIRC the na 617 is 90something hp and the turbo is around 120, not sure of the torque numbers. Seems like the torque numbers might be the tough side, I imagine though they're low hp the original 6 had good torque. I don't know the torque numbers for the old flathead but they were not impressive engines even new. They were originally designed in 1938 I believe. I am almost certain the diesel will have better torque numbers at all RPM ranges. Some time ago I postulated putting a 616 into a Jeep CJ3B. Both put out around 72hp but it was speculated that the added weight might not help with the 3b's economy any. The flathead is huge and heavy. I can't imagine the Merc engine could weigh more than a 100 pounds or so more..There is nothing aluminum on the flathead other than the carb.LOL I'm with you that the Mercedes engine will rev alot higher, 5500 IIRC. Is regearing the M37 not an option? The original gears are 5.83's and 4.89's are said to be available.I have yet to find any and I have been searching for years. Regearing is best accomplished with an OD and big radial tires. Ride is improved dramatically with the big tires. How driveable at higher speeds do you think one of these would be? Meaning if the frontend was only designed for 55mph how would it do with 65? They drive extremely well really. Owners of Cummins and V8 repowered M37's report they handle very well at 70MPH while towing. Mike -Curt Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 16:55:41 -0700 (PDT) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain;charset=iso-8859-1 Hi Phillip, I have done a ton of research and thinking on the best swap for the M37. The 4BTA is actually the very best choice as far as a hard working, strong pulling, great mileage choice. The downfall is that a well used 4BT(not even the aftercooled BTA) is at least a couple thousand dollars. A custom built Ranger overdrive unit at $1500(there are 2 in the world) can be used to couple to the original SM420 tranny and with the 5.83 diffs and 39 inch tall tires will allow a crusing RPM of 1900 at 60MPH. Perfect for the Cummins. another choice is a modern overdrive manual tranny with custom adapters or the easiest choice but least strong is a 700R4 automatic built to the gills to hold up to the torque. Any of the above choices are way too costly for me so... The original engine is a 215ci flathead 6 governed at 3200RPM and runs into a 4 speed trans with a 1:1 output to a divorced transfer case. The flathead puts out [EMAIL PROTECTED] and 94hp at 3400rpm200 above the governor. I am not familiar enough to spout off #'s for the HP specs of a 5cyl MBZ diesel but I am certain they are better than that and I know they will rev WAY higher so I would have no need for an overdriven transmission.The MB auto would be perfect for the job. The 6 would be nicer for the power but the 5 would fit much better(a slant 6 Dodge motor will fit in one) and they are much more common in the PnP yards around here. I can always pick up a rusty 300D for a few hundred bucks here in the land of salt and rust. I plan on using it as a commuter rather than a dedicated work truck now anyway. Mike - Boardwalk for $500? In 2007? Ha! Play Monopoly Here and Now (it's updated for today's economy) at Yahoo! Games. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 300D Dodge Dakota
Yes, exactly. I was going to use one of the OD units Cabell ordered for his build. He has since gone to a modern 5 speed OD tranny. Here's a link for you to check out. http://www.mseriesrebuild.com/ Charles Talbert is almost a god of the Military truck world. Mike Is this what you're talking about? http://www.garbee.net/~cabell/ On 7/9/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Phillip, I have done a ton of research and thinking on the best swap for the M37. -- OK Don, KD5NRO Norman, OK There are three kinds of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics. -Benjamin Disraeli '90 300D, '87 300SDL, '81 240D, '78 450SLC, '97 Ply Grand Voyager ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Flaming POS
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/car/369596596.html Dude needs to be taken out back and beaten with a rusty fender -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Franken SLC?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/kit/car/369553963.html Out to be enough compatible parts so that Gump and this heap can share. Then I need to source an OM616 to slip under the hood -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Probably worth every penny
http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/369463289.html Wish I could get Gump to look that nice one day maybe -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Dirt cheap TD?
http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/368301268.html If you can fix an engine, you could have a great car -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Dirt cheap TD?
I will bet it needs very little engine work, prob just some TLC. --- Redghost [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://seattle.craigslist.org/see/car/368301268.html If you can fix an engine, you could have a great car -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Flaming POS
The life takes a turn comment probably means either he saw the error of his ways, or the keep it real police visited him in the night. Some people just don't get it. Bob R. Keepin' It Real Since '78 (MB-wise) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:06 PM To: Banned List; Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Flaming POS http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/car/369596596.html Dude needs to be taken out back and beaten with a rusty fender -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] this guy should be beaten too!
http://portland.craigslist.org/clk/car/370261500.html Obviously, this guy was on some meds or maybe, he just happened to have this engine/tranny lying around. How would a 616 or 617 fit into this chassis? Kevin in Portland, OR 1983 300SD 267Kmi, Ursula ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Probably worth every penny
While at the bike shop today, saw a ratty old '71 250 driven by a tattooed/pierced woman with her tattooed/pierced skater/BMXer son in tow. She gave me a hearty thumbs up when I pulled in and parked next to her. She had her car emblazoned with ads for her ink joint. Really nice gal, very polite son and sweet old whip. Bob R. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Redghost Sent: Monday, July 09, 2007 7:13 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Probably worth every penny http://seattle.craigslist.org/est/car/369463289.html Wish I could get Gump to look that nice one day maybe -- Clay Seattle Bioburner 1972 220D - Gump 1995 E300D - Cleo 1987 300SDL - POS - DOA The FSM would drive a Diesel Benz ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Flaming POS
http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/car/369596596.html Dude needs to be taken out back and beaten with a rusty fender Hey! Get away from my car! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new parts see official list sponsor: http://www.buymbparts.com/ For used parts email [EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
