Re: [MBZ] Diesel Pug
Wish that was closer to me... Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 4:51 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] Diesel Pug http://burlington.craigslist.org/cto/1415074558.html Too cool. I really like the Pug wagons... -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 3/fb2cf02c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
I think I explained it wrong - based on what the service advisor told me. I looked at the top of the IP and it looks like the pressure seals are leaking where they screw into the top of the IP - at least it was wet when I looked at it in the dark last night. I suspect the Service advisor didn't know much about this problem. I looked at the image in the EPC parts program and the seals are called Pressure Valve Seals - (1st time I've messed with this part of the IP - so this is virgin territory for me) . This is what Harry is talking about - but I need to buy the springs since Harry suggested I replace them as well. I have the Pressure Seals (O-Rings and Crush Washers) but not the springs. I ordered the Tie Rod end and MM from Rusty last night - will check to see if he carries the springs. It looks like a special wrench is needed - from my cursory look last night I don't recall if the pressure valves have standard Hex or a special thingie that requires a special wrench to loosen/tighten. If so, where might I find a special tool? Any thoughts ya'll might have about this job are appreciated. I'd like to do this as soon as I gather the needed parts tools. Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I have installed my euro hitch (if anyone needs the factory directions give a shout) but haven't yet installed the factory wiring harness, and have not yet towed anything. I think that the maximum rating for my hitch is 1700kg (trailer brakes required above 750kg). I did have a euro hitch on my 123 wagon (NA engine, 5 speed transmission) and did use it for towing my ~3000lb (~1360kg) sail boat. It towed like a dream, especially when the SLS was working. One sphere failed, car bucked like a bronco only when towing, replace both spheres and it was smooth as silk again. That car was rated for 1500kg max, again trailer brakes required above 750kg. Confession: I do not have trailer brakes on my sailboat trailer, but never had a problem towing the boat, including a drive from Louisville KY to Charleston SC via the mountains. Braking and brake-fade where never an issue. The 124 factory instructions call for replacing the under-engine noise encapsulation shield with one that allows more air flow. An external transmission cooler with fan is required for loads over 1500kg if you also have air conditioning. I'd definitely change the transmission fluid/filter at the 15k mile intervals! Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of tyler Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 5:41 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? Does anyone know if a W124 wagon (1987 300TD) can safely tow a 3500lb trailer? Would the transmission be up to it if a larger cooler was added? Could the engine cooling system keep up with such a load? What is the factory rated towing capacity? Tyler ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
John, what is your source for the 2100kg? My technical data book says 1700kg. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? tyler wrote: What is the factory rated towing capacity? In Europe it's 750kg without trailer brakes, 2100kg with. Sedans are 1500kg with brakes. In the US... 0 kg. No chassis/brake/driveline differences that anybody knows about so I would roll with the European ratings. Does anyone know if a W124 wagon (1987 300TD) can safely tow a 3500lb trailer? According to the factory ratings... yes. Just make sure that you have a factory style hitch that also has the same ratings. They show up occasionally on eBay or various forums Also keep in mind that the tongue weight is only 75kg! Would the transmission be up to it if a larger cooler was added? Could the engine cooling system keep up with such a load? I'd say it is a requirement!! They already have a transmission cooler built into the radiator, but the euro wagons with the towing package removed the transmission cooler from the radiator. Presumably so the cooling system didn't have the extra load of the transmission so it could keep up with the increased load of the engine. I'm also assuming an external transmission cooler was added at the same time. All this being said, I've only researched this and not actually driven with a trailer on my wagon. I've got a factory hitch waiting to be installed, but there are other more pressing matters I'm taking care of first You know how that goes I'm sure! ;) My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Hi Harry - I looked in the WSM for the procedure for replacing the Pressure Valve Seals (07.1 - 8627) and the only mention of torque is when they say Torque to 35 Nm using special tool 617 589 01 09 00. Perhaps the 3 step procedure you recall is for a different engine? Anyway - I need to locate the special tool as I am sure it will make life much easier. Thanks - LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I've launched and retrieved my ~3000lb sail boat with a 123 wagon many times, and traction was never an issue. Engine power (NA engine, 617.912) WAS an issue! Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? My only concern is the car's ability to pull the boat and trailer up a launch ramp. And a very real concern it should be, too. As that trailer rocks back on the ramp it'll tend to lift the rear wheels off the ground. My son and I got a free ride down an embankment due to that factor. You'd want a lot of extra weight in the back of the wagon, I'd think. Stupid trailer trick story: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/moglog.html#trailer If the ramp was wet and/or slimy, even worse. It's easy enough in a 4wd truck that outweighs the towed load by 2x, else maybe oh-oh! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Mercedes-Benz for Sale - $500 (North Stonington, Ct)
Tom, Ditto on all counts. Sigh. Dwight Dwight E. Giles, Jr. Bissell Cove Quahog Auto Salvage Co. Wickford, RI On Tue, Oct 13, 2009 at 10:36 PM, tom tomscat wrote: I want to STAY married, so I can't even think about another car. :) but a 'very good body and an all leather interior in beautiful condition (prolly MB Tex, not leather) for $500 bucks. He thinks it may need a battery. Who knows? Good grief, Charley Brown. http://newlondon.craigslist.org/cto/1389142738.html No affiliation, but somebody may want to snap this up. Tom Schuch SE Connecticut 1975 300D W115 1989 BMW 325ix, 1989 BMW 325ic 1979 BMW 323i Euro, 1977 320i (carbed) 1978 320i (parts car) and whatever it is my wife drives :) VW Passat Turbo-Wagon I can resist anything except temptation. Oscar Wilde. _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. http://clk.atdmt.com/GBL/go/171222986/direct/01/ -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry, Factory procedure is, for some strange MB reason, only found in the Technical Data Books. It does apply to your car. You need the special socket (call Rusty, get the springs at same time) and a torque wrench, and clearance above each delivery valve holder (the common name for pressure valve) and maybe a torx socket to loosen the holding clamps. Procedure: tighten to 30 Nm, release, tighten to 30 Nm, release, tighten to 35 Nm and lock down. For obvious reasons you want to be clean clean clean when you do this job; I prefer to clean off the top of the IP with brake cleaner and tooth brush, then blow dry with can-o-air, and continue to obsessively clean as I go. (parroting Marshall Booth - Tyler don't read this part) ***Danger: You may warp the IP body during the tightening, which will cause it to make noise and if you don't fix it damage to the pump will occur. For this reason, I'd advise doing one DV at a time so that you can start the car and listen for any new/odd noises from the IP before going on to the next. When you have each DV apart, closely inspect for wear/play, as a worn DV element(s) can also cause a rough idle. Springs: book says to replace them with the copper washer and the O-ring, but many don't replace them and their engine continues to run just fine. They're cheap, I followed the book, the new springs were longer than the old springs I replaced. Later I also did injectors, and now my engine idle is very very smooth. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:21 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Harry - I looked in the WSM for the procedure for replacing the Pressure Valve Seals (07.1 - 8627) and the only mention of torque is when they say Torque to 35 Nm using special tool 617 589 01 09 00. Perhaps the 3 step procedure you recall is for a different engine? Anyway - I need to locate the special tool as I am sure it will make life much easier. Thanks - LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:28 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?
Curt, You can post a free 'wanted' ad on the MBCA forums (placing a 'for sale' ad requires membership). http://mbca.cartama.net/index.php Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Curt Raymond Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 8:54 PM To: Diesel List Subject: [MBZ] More MB boards? Hey gang, I'm still searching (high and low) for a replacement diff for my '85 190D 2.2l. Cama says almost nobody rebuilds them since the tools are spendy and the replacement I put in hasn't worked out (its lounder than the one it replaced). The only options remaining on car-part.com are very expensive (one was $450). So I put a post on Peachparts and a guy has one for a good price but its 3.23 ratio as opposed to the 3.42 thats in it... I'm worried about getting into a Jim Cathey situation where I lose all my low end. The Peachparts crowd is all about taller gears for better fuel economy but I'm not sure I believe thats gonna happen... So, does anybody else know of free boards (like Peachparts or here) where I can post looking for a new diff? Alternately if anybody spots one in a boneyard pick it up and I'll reward you for your time. -Curt -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 3/cdb2988e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?
I'm with you, it makes no nevermind for mileage if I go to work in 4th as opposed to 5th... Besides which losing my low end is not worth a couple mpg... -Curt Date: Tue, 13 Oct 2009 21:19:56 -0700 From: Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net Subject: Re: [MBZ] More MB boards? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: d4058a1c-b878-11de-95ed-000502d9a...@windwireless.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed So I put a post on Peachparts and a guy has one for a good price but its 3.23 ratio as opposed to the 3.42 thats in it... I'm worried about getting into a Jim Cathey situation where I lose all my low end. The Peachparts crowd is all about taller gears for better fuel economy but I'm not sure I believe thats gonna happen... Balls. These diesels don't react to RPM like gassers do. Witness all our 123's, etc., driving around town in S rather than D, yet not getting any worse mileage while doing so. -- Jim -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/d9ac0aba/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?
Thanks Max! Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:54:12 -0400 From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Subject: Re: [MBZ] More MB boards? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 1370e90cffd2ac4b8cb65267ba10c4b801193...@naeachrlez02v.nadsusea.nads.navy.mil Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Curt, You can post a free 'wanted' ad on the MBCA forums (placing a 'for sale' ad requires membership). http://mbca.cartama.net/index.php Max -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/e6ca2eee/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 07:19 -0400, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: Confession: I do not have trailer brakes on my sailboat trailer, but never had a problem towing the boat, including a drive from Louisville KY to Charleston SC via the mountains. Braking and brake-fade where never an issue. Well that's not the only reason for trailer brakes. The mass of the trailer means a lot of momentum, which pushes on the back end of your car when you stop. If the roads are wet, or worse icy, or you're on gravel, etc. you will have a tendency to fishtail or jacknife even if your brakes are otherwise capable of stopping. With trailer brakes, a lot of that momentum energy is dissipated and you have more control. Ideally the trailer brakes are balanced so that the trailer neither pulls nor pushes on the tow vehicle when you are trying to stop. Allan ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Thx Max - I looked at the procedure in the Tech Data book and wonder why the last torque it says 30Nm + 5Nm - I want to be absolutely sure I do this right - I wonder why they didn't just say 35Nm's? As far as torque wrenches - I have a 3/8 click type as well as a 1/4 drive beam bar (??) type for inch #s. But I'll take your advice and make sure one or the other will work. As far as doing one DV at a time, then starting the engine to test for noises - on my 602-962 engine it looks like I'll need to remove the intake air manifold that comes across the engine from the turbo to the intake. This is over the IP so will need to come off. It's not a he deal I suppose but will make for a longer time needed. If proper torqueing will prevent warping, I would think I can do the 3 step procedure. I've torqued a lot of heads using a multi-stage method followed by a 45 degree movement. Is there something especially tough about properly torquing the DV's? Not being argumentative - just trying to understand -- Thanks again for the help - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad.
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Nothing special about the procedure, it simply is not widely known. -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:01 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Thx Max - I looked at the procedure in the Tech Data book and wonder why the last torque it says 30Nm + 5Nm - I want to be absolutely sure I do this right - I wonder why they didn't just say 35Nm's? As far as torque wrenches - I have a 3/8 click type as well as a 1/4 drive beam bar (??) type for inch #s. But I'll take your advice and make sure one or the other will work. As far as doing one DV at a time, then starting the engine to test for noises - on my 602-962 engine it looks like I'll need to remove the intake air manifold that comes across the engine from the turbo to the intake. This is over the IP so will need to come off. It's not a he deal I suppose but will make for a longer time needed. If proper torqueing will prevent warping, I would think I can do the 3 step procedure. I've torqued a lot of heads using a multi-stage method followed by a 45 degree movement. Is there something especially tough about properly torquing the DV's? Not being argumentative - just trying to understand -- Thanks again for the help - Larry 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote:
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
I thought that I bought mine from Rusty, I think the price was about $40. Somehow I managed to order two, sorry but I already sold the spare. I justified the price when my indie charged me $70 to replace one leaking DV O-ring. If Rusty can't get it, recommend your dealer's parts counter. It is a very odd serrated socket, not 12pt but more like 30 pt, only the real deal will work. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:14 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Thanks Max, sounds like it boils down to a last resort thing. If nothing else cures the problem, maybe a DV upgrade will. I've redone them on two SDLs and a 300TD because they were leaking externally. The last SDL was a learning experience, the wife was at a friends house and it would not start. To make a VERY long story short, it turns out that a low fuel tank level + leaking DVs + sloping driveway equals to air in the fuel system. Harry : Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
I actually tackle the DV's as a 3rd or 4th step, last step would be pull all the injectors for cleaning/testing/balancing. Valve adjustment / EDS check is first, then look for air leaks, maybe fuel filters and treat for water in the tank or a diesel purge treatment, then try to narrow it down to a particular cylinder or two, and then start things like swapping injectors. Ah, forgot that one! You can swap around a DV to see if it is the cause of a rough idle. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Thanks Max, sounds like it boils down to a last resort thing. If nothing else cures the problem, maybe a DV upgrade will. I've redone them on two SDLs and a 300TD because they were leaking externally. The last SDL was a learning experience, the wife was at a friends house and it would not start. To make a VERY long story short, it turns out that a low fuel tank level + leaking DVs + sloping driveway equals to air in the fuel system. Harry : Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
All interesting information, everyone! I have a hitch like this installed: http://www.kupplung.de/Anhaengerkupplungen/Anhaengerkupplung-starre-Ausfuehrung-MB0054.html?VIEW=PList Where the specs list 2100kg. Some similar hitches are rated for slightly less. Jaime On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: John, what is your source for the 2100kg? My technical data book says 1700kg. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? tyler wrote: What is the factory rated towing capacity? In Europe it's 750kg without trailer brakes, 2100kg with. Sedans are 1500kg with brakes. In the US... 0 kg. No chassis/brake/driveline differences that anybody knows about so I would roll with the European ratings. Does anyone know if a W124 wagon (1987 300TD) can safely tow a 3500lb trailer? According to the factory ratings... yes. Just make sure that you have a factory style hitch that also has the same ratings. They show up occasionally on eBay or various forums Also keep in mind that the tongue weight is only 75kg! Would the transmission be up to it if a larger cooler was added? Could the engine cooling system keep up with such a load? I'd say it is a requirement!! They already have a transmission cooler built into the radiator, but the euro wagons with the towing package removed the transmission cooler from the radiator. Presumably so the cooling system didn't have the extra load of the transmission so it could keep up with the increased load of the engine. I'm also assuming an external transmission cooler was added at the same time. All this being said, I've only researched this and not actually driven with a trailer on my wagon. I've got a factory hitch waiting to be installed, but there are other more pressing matters I'm taking care of first You know how that goes I'm sure! ;) My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/df21cddf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Excellent link, and that is a great price. I paid 200 euro for mine while on vacation in Italy, shipping was free because back then the airlines hadn't gotten really ridiculous about extra baggage fees, so I checked it as baggage. U.S. Customs was interested, mainly just curious about why someone would bring a trailer hitch back from Italy. I also like the wiring kits they have there, I wonder if they are equivalent to the MB kits that have a little light for the instrument panel. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? All interesting information, everyone! I have a hitch like this installed: http://www.kupplung.de/Anhaengerkupplungen/Anhaengerkupplung-starre-Ausf uehrung-MB0054.html?VIEW=PList Where the specs list 2100kg. Some similar hitches are rated for slightly less. Jaime On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: John, what is your source for the 2100kg? My technical data book says 1700kg. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? tyler wrote: What is the factory rated towing capacity? In Europe it's 750kg without trailer brakes, 2100kg with. Sedans are 1500kg with brakes. In the US... 0 kg. No chassis/brake/driveline differences that anybody knows about so I would roll with the European ratings. Does anyone know if a W124 wagon (1987 300TD) can safely tow a 3500lb trailer? According to the factory ratings... yes. Just make sure that you have a factory style hitch that also has the same ratings. They show up occasionally on eBay or various forums Also keep in mind that the tongue weight is only 75kg! Would the transmission be up to it if a larger cooler was added? Could the engine cooling system keep up with such a load? I'd say it is a requirement!! They already have a transmission cooler built into the radiator, but the euro wagons with the towing package removed the transmission cooler from the radiator. Presumably so the cooling system didn't have the extra load of the transmission so it could keep up with the increased load of the engine. I'm also assuming an external transmission cooler was added at the same time. All this being said, I've only researched this and not actually driven with a trailer on my wagon. I've got a factory hitch waiting to be installed, but there are other more pressing matters I'm taking care of first You know how that goes I'm sure! ;) My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 4/df21cddf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. So, here are my questions: Since the diameter of the tire is nearly identical, I guess that means its not a problem to go up to 17 inch tires. Is that right? Has anybody had tires and wheels shipped? The tires are 28 lbs each. I am guess that the wheels weigh about 10 pounds each. So, that's about 150-160 lbs to ship. They are in Michigan and I am in Kansas. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this or suggestions for economical shipping. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/98b9e026/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
2100kg; that is the hitch maker's spec, and it says it is over-ridden by the car maker's spec, which as far as I can see is 1700kg. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jaime Kopchinski Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:46 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? All interesting information, everyone! I have a hitch like this installed: http://www.kupplung.de/Anhaengerkupplungen/Anhaengerkupplung-starre-Ausf uehrung-MB0054.html?VIEW=PList Where the specs list 2100kg. Some similar hitches are rated for slightly less. Jaime On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 7:20 AM, Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil wrote: John, what is your source for the 2100kg? My technical data book says 1700kg. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Tuesday, October 13, 2009 6:06 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? tyler wrote: What is the factory rated towing capacity? In Europe it's 750kg without trailer brakes, 2100kg with. Sedans are 1500kg with brakes. In the US... 0 kg. No chassis/brake/driveline differences that anybody knows about so I would roll with the European ratings. Does anyone know if a W124 wagon (1987 300TD) can safely tow a 3500lb trailer? According to the factory ratings... yes. Just make sure that you have a factory style hitch that also has the same ratings. They show up occasionally on eBay or various forums Also keep in mind that the tongue weight is only 75kg! Would the transmission be up to it if a larger cooler was added? Could the engine cooling system keep up with such a load? I'd say it is a requirement!! They already have a transmission cooler built into the radiator, but the euro wagons with the towing package removed the transmission cooler from the radiator. Presumably so the cooling system didn't have the extra load of the transmission so it could keep up with the increased load of the engine. I'm also assuming an external transmission cooler was added at the same time. All this being said, I've only researched this and not actually driven with a trailer on my wagon. I've got a factory hitch waiting to be installed, but there are other more pressing matters I'm taking care of first You know how that goes I'm sure! ;) My $.02 John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/2009101 4/df21cddf/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry, I hesitate to tell you this because I may get flamed :). I used the hold down straps in place of the special tool on my last DV job. I had the tool, but like Max said, it would not fit with my torque wrench (TW). I would place two straps on a DV facing away from the engine and position to leave room in the tightening direction. I then used a crowfoot on my TW to do the procedure. CAUTION, make sure the crowfoot come off the TW at 90 degrees so as not to add length to the TW operation. I used a long extension so my TW was above the intake. The shanks of the straps fit an 11/16 crowfoot (IIRC) and with two of them there is enough thickness for the wrench to get a solid grip. You could use the crowfoot straight out from the TW if you can find the formula to adjust for the additional length. Harry, standing by for grape shot in my flame suit, zipped all the way to my chin. - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ]
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
2nd confession of the day, I used the same method but without the torque wrench the first time I played with a DV. I had no idea what I was doing, angels must have been there that day because no harm was done. I think I used a vice grips and judgment to snug the DV down. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, I hesitate to tell you this because I may get flamed :). I used the hold down straps in place of the special tool on my last DV job. I had the tool, but like Max said, it would not fit with my torque wrench (TW). I would place two straps on a DV facing away from the engine and position to leave room in the tightening direction. I then used a crowfoot on my TW to do the procedure. CAUTION, make sure the crowfoot come off the TW at 90 degrees so as not to add length to the TW operation. I used a long extension so my TW was above the intake. The shanks of the straps fit an 11/16 crowfoot (IIRC) and with two of them there is enough thickness for the wrench to get a solid grip. You could use the crowfoot straight out from the TW if you can find the formula to adjust for the additional length. Harry, standing by for grape shot in my flame suit, zipped all the way to my chin. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
I shipped UPS, tie a pair together with cardboard on top and bottom and they are good to go. Harry - Original Message - From: Donald Snook dsn...@mtsqh.com To: Mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:07 AM Subject: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. So, here are my questions: Since the diameter of the tire is nearly identical, I guess that means its not a problem to go up to 17 inch tires. Is that right? Has anybody had tires and wheels shipped? The tires are 28 lbs each. I am guess that the wheels weigh about 10 pounds each. So, that's about 150-160 lbs to ship. They are in Michigan and I am in Kansas. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this or suggestions for economical shipping. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/98b9e026/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] New Email Address
to anyone that is interested i have a new email address. It is now buymbpa...@gmail.com Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. 800-741-5252 -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/1231787f/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] Rusty new email address
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Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Jaime Kopchinski wrote: All interesting information, everyone! I have a hitch like this installed: http://www.kupplung.de/Anhaengerkupplungen/Anhaengerkupplung-starre-Ausfuehrung-MB0054.html?VIEW=PList Does the crossbar bolt to the car, or just the two longitudinals? Where to the longitudinals bolt to the car? Is the receiver a standard 1 1/4 or 2 square, or do you need special euro ball mounts? (I assume it comes with a 80mm ball/mount, which would be a bit big for 1 7/8 and a bit small for 2) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Does the crossbar bolt to the car, or just the two longitudinals? Where to the longitudinals bolt to the car? The two longitudinals go inside, next to two 'frame rails' that run forward, and they bolt into the body there. The crossbar bolts to the longitudinals through the body. It is *very* solid. Is the receiver a standard 1 1/4 or 2 square, or do you need special euro ball mounts? (I assume it comes with a 80mm ball/mount, which would be a bit big for 1 7/8 and a bit small for 2) Receiver on mine is unique, I believe the ball is 50mm, a 2 inch hitch works fine. Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
How do you check the EDS without the special gizmos? LarryT Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems I actually tackle the DV's as a 3rd or 4th step, last step would be pull all the injectors for cleaning/testing/balancing. Valve adjustment / EDS check is first, then look for air leaks, maybe fuel filters and treat for water in the tank or a diesel purge treatment, then try to narrow it down to a particular cylinder or two, and then start things like swapping injectors. Ah, forgot that one! You can swap around a DV to see if it is the cause of a rough idle. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Thanks Max, sounds like it boils down to a last resort thing. If nothing else cures the problem, maybe a DV upgrade will. I've redone them on two SDLs and a 300TD because they were leaking externally. The last SDL was a learning experience, the wife was at a friends house and it would not start. To make a VERY long story short, it turns out that a low fuel tank level + leaking DVs + sloping driveway equals to air in the fuel system. Harry : Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I also like the wiring kits they have there, I wonder if they are equivalent to the MB kits that have a little light for the instrument panel. Little light for the instrument panel? Could you elaborate a bit? The wiring harness I have is pretty simple It basically plugs up in between the stock harness and one of the lights. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Thx Harry - I appreciate you telling your secrets ;-) What engine were you working on? I have a 602-962 Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, I hesitate to tell you this because I may get flamed :). I used the hold down straps in place of the special tool on my last DV job. I had the tool, but like Max said, it would not fit with my torque wrench (TW). I would place two straps on a DV facing away from the engine and position to leave room in the tightening direction. I then used a crowfoot on my TW to do the procedure. CAUTION, make sure the crowfoot come off the TW at 90 degrees so as not to add length to the TW operation. I used a long extension so my TW was above the intake. The shanks of the straps fit an 11/16 crowfoot (IIRC) and with two of them there is enough thickness for the wrench to get a solid grip. You could use the crowfoot straight out from the TW if you can find the formula to adjust for the additional length. Harry, standing by for grape shot in my flame suit, zipped all the way to my chin. - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Yikes Max!! Vice grips You devil! LarryT ;-) Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:33 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems 2nd confession of the day, I used the same method but without the torque wrench the first time I played with a DV. I had no idea what I was doing, angels must have been there that day because no harm was done. I think I used a vice grips and judgment to snug the DV down. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, I hesitate to tell you this because I may get flamed :). I used the hold down straps in place of the special tool on my last DV job. I had the tool, but like Max said, it would not fit with my torque wrench (TW). I would place two straps on a DV facing away from the engine and position to leave room in the tightening direction. I then used a crowfoot on my TW to do the procedure. CAUTION, make sure the crowfoot come off the TW at 90 degrees so as not to add length to the TW operation. I used a long extension so my TW was above the intake. The shanks of the straps fit an 11/16 crowfoot (IIRC) and with two of them there is enough thickness for the wrench to get a solid grip. You could use the crowfoot straight out from the TW if you can find the formula to adjust for the additional length. Harry, standing by for grape shot in my flame suit, zipped all the way to my chin. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Peter Hertzing wrote: Where did you find the hitch. I have a 2200 pound popup that I would like to pull with me 95 E320 but have never been able to find the hitch. I found mine on PeachParts. You just have to be lucky/patient and wait for one to pop up sometime. You can also search on eBay.de and try to find someone who ships internationally. Also, I believe there are different hitches for wagons vs. sedans. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Allan Streib wrote: Well that's not the only reason for trailer brakes. The mass of the trailer means a lot of momentum, which pushes on the back end of your car when you stop. If the roads are wet, or worse icy, or you're on gravel, etc. you will have a tendency to fishtail or jacknife even if your brakes are otherwise capable of stopping. With trailer brakes, a lot of that momentum energy is dissipated and you have more control. Ideally the trailer brakes are balanced so that the trailer neither pulls nor pushes on the tow vehicle when you are trying to stop. X2!!! John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?
http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-trade-wanted-items/ http://mbca.cartama.net/forumdisplay.php?f=7 Very little traffic, but: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/fs-wtb-f-8.html Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know if they have a classified section, but what about http://www.schumanautomotive.com/forums/ ? They do, but the mods/owners there are crazy. Then again, they banned me so I'm a little biased. Use your judgment as to whether I am ban-worthy or not. ;) John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?
John Robbins wrote: They do, but the mods/owners there are crazy. Then again, they banned me so I'm a little biased. Use your judgment as to whether I am ban-worthy or not. ;) My bookmarked link to that forum leads directly to the superturbo section. When I tried to go there yesterday, I was told I needed a special password just to read the messages. Whatever the moderator fascists are doing there, it's gotten 10x worse since my last visit. Pretty soon, it'll just be BHD talking to himself if it isn't already. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I ordered the official MB kit from a place in the Fatherland, about 100 Euros with shipping. It runs from under the dash (fuse panel, relay N10, little light in instrument panel to tell you when a trailer is hooked up, and brake light switch connection) under all the carpets and interior bits to the back, where a new relay gets installed and it plugs into both sides rear light fixtures. What is stopping me? Pulling the interior bits, including the driver's seat, to run the wiring. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of John Robbins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:36 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I also like the wiring kits they have there, I wonder if they are equivalent to the MB kits that have a little light for the instrument panel. Little light for the instrument panel? Could you elaborate a bit? The wiring harness I have is pretty simple It basically plugs up in between the stock harness and one of the lights. John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
On my car, idle was sometimes terrible but sometimes perfect. I suspect the wiring harness is deteriorating. I simply unplugged the connection at the back of the IP and voila! The idle was smooth but very low. Used the mechanical adjustment to bring it up to about 650 rpm. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:35 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems How do you check the EDS without the special gizmos? LarryT Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:45 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems I actually tackle the DV's as a 3rd or 4th step, last step would be pull all the injectors for cleaning/testing/balancing. Valve adjustment / EDS check is first, then look for air leaks, maybe fuel filters and treat for water in the tank or a diesel purge treatment, then try to narrow it down to a particular cylinder or two, and then start things like swapping injectors. Ah, forgot that one! You can swap around a DV to see if it is the cause of a rough idle. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 10:40 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Thanks Max, sounds like it boils down to a last resort thing. If nothing else cures the problem, maybe a DV upgrade will. I've redone them on two SDLs and a 300TD because they were leaking externally. The last SDL was a learning experience, the wife was at a friends house and it would not start. To make a VERY long story short, it turns out that a low fuel tank level + leaking DVs + sloping driveway equals to air in the fuel system. Harry : Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] More MB boards?
My MBCA registration has just gone through, I'll check the others, Schuman isn't accepting any new members... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 10:22:10 -0500 From: John Robbins je...@msstate.edu Subject: Re: [MBZ] More MB boards? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4ad5eca2.5060...@msstate.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed http://www.benzworld.org/forums/sale-trade-wanted-items/ http://mbca.cartama.net/forumdisplay.php?f=7 Very little traffic, but: http://www.superturbodiesel.com/std/fs-wtb-f-8.html Mitch Haley wrote: I don't know if they have a classified section, but what about http://www.schumanautomotive.com/forums/ ? They do, but the mods/owners there are crazy. Then again, they banned me so I'm a little biased. Use your judgment as to whether I am ban-worthy or not. ;) John -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/a298a33c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
It was a 603 on a 300 SDL - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:36 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Thx Harry - I appreciate you telling your secrets ;-) What engine were you working on? I have a 602-962 Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: harry watkins harry...@bellsouth.net Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 11:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, I hesitate to tell you this because I may get flamed :). I used the hold down straps in place of the special tool on my last DV job. I had the tool, but like Max said, it would not fit with my torque wrench (TW). I would place two straps on a DV facing away from the engine and position to leave room in the tightening direction. I then used a crowfoot on my TW to do the procedure. CAUTION, make sure the crowfoot come off the TW at 90 degrees so as not to add length to the TW operation. I used a long extension so my TW was above the intake. The shanks of the straps fit an 11/16 crowfoot (IIRC) and with two of them there is enough thickness for the wrench to get a solid grip. You could use the crowfoot straight out from the TW if you can find the formula to adjust for the additional length. Harry, standing by for grape shot in my flame suit, zipped all the way to my chin. - Original Message - From: LarryT l02tur...@comcast.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:14 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle
[MBZ] 560 SEL
saw a great 560 the other day, no rust at all, interior perfect, and rear window shade. I'd still love a 560 if I could find a nice clean one. I was tempted to leave a note on the car, as I have done in the past with other cars, but I resisted. :-) Ed 300E -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/4c74aeb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: What is your source for the 2100kg? Errr... I don't exactly remember. I believe it is from the below site, but it is down right now so I can't verify. I do remember that it was only for wagons, and you had to have a different radiator that didn't have a transmission cooler. http://www.whnet.com/4x4/oil.html John ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/e9b1080e/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
There's a black one that has been sitting on a used car dealer lot for months, and posted on CL every few days, $5450 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1419164721.html I have seen it driving by, looks nice exterior but I have not stopped to look at it. I think this is the one where you could get hudge savings and all your friends will be your envy or all your base are belong to us or something like that. --R E M wrote: saw a great 560 the other day, no rust at all, interior perfect, and rear window shade. I'd still love a 560 if I could find a nice clean one. I was tempted to leave a note on the car, as I have done in the past with other cars, but I resisted. :-) Ed 300E -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/4c74aeb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
John Robbins wrote: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: What is your source for the 2100kg? Errr... I don't exactly remember. I believe it is from the below site, http://www.whnet.com/4x4/towing.html They show 1900 for S124 stick and 2100 for S124 automatic. Seems like if it's drivetrain dependent, than engine size/type should matter too. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rBd_etV8y8QJ:www.whnet.com/4x4/towing.html Interesting that they show W201 at 1200 and W124 at 1900, I never thought there was much difference in the two chassis, I think the car's weight is about 200lb different with similar engines. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Here's somebody who uses a hidden hitch on a Taurus wagon: http://i38.tinypic.com/xoqptv.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wtf?
He could be a DEA agent or something like that. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yea, I was more thinking it strange the pictures. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280-SEL-1972-mercedes-280-SEL-4-5_W0QQitemZ110443183369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b6ed3d09 Well, he has good feedback. The pictures with the people's head blocked out are a little wierd, though. $785 isn't a bad price if you want a '72 280SEL. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Mama's 300SD has a hitch on the back with a 1 (or whatever that smaller size is) receiver, and has a ball that fits. The hitch looks like an aftermarket, maybe custom deal. The PO towed a motorcycle on a little trailer with it. I wouldn't tow anything but it would make a good bike rack attachment point. --R Mitch Haley wrote: Here's somebody who uses a hidden hitch on a Taurus wagon: http://i38.tinypic.com/xoqptv.jpg ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
Exterior looks nice. If they are in good running order and clean, it's a lot of car for $5000. I know I have an old brochure kicking around somewhere, that listed all the options. One of them, and an expensive one, was where the bench rear seat was replaced with two seats, and a center wood console divider. I've yet to see a car with that option. I seem to remember it was something close to $10,000 in late 80s dollars. Does anyone know if they used the seat pattern as used on Euro cars with cloth, on the leather seats too ? Not sure how to describe it, but it wasn't folded and pleated as on W126s that came to North America. Ed 300 2009/10/14 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net There's a black one that has been sitting on a used car dealer lot for months, and posted on CL every few days, $5450 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1419164721.html I have seen it driving by, looks nice exterior but I have not stopped to look at it. I think this is the one where you could get hudge savings and all your friends will be your envy or all your base are belong to us or something like that. --R E M wrote: saw a great 560 the other day, no rust at all, interior perfect, and rear window shade. I'd still love a 560 if I could find a nice clean one. I was tempted to leave a note on the car, as I have done in the past with other cars, but I resisted. :-) Ed 300E -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/4c74aeb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/200c20c5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] wtf?
That fact you can see the grass through the wheel well in the trunk makes it look like serious money to bring back. Wonder how much time passed between the pics of it sitting, full of pine needles, and when it was snapped in the parking lot ? Ed 300E 2009/10/14 winmutt r...@winmutt.com He could be a DEA agent or something like that. -Rolf Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Yea, I was more thinking it strange the pictures. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 18:29:49 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-200-Series-280-SEL-1972-mercedes-280-SEL-4-5_W0QQitemZ110443183369QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item19b6ed3d09 Well, he has good feedback. The pictures with the people's head blocked out are a little wierd, though. $785 isn't a bad price if you want a '72 280SEL. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/8820a558/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
Larry, et al. The socket,(from Rusty I think), that I have is made by Kokon from Japan. P/N 4133. 18mm inside with lots of fine teeth. Call Rusty, he's The Man. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. At 10:14 AM 10/14/2009, you wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Jamie,
I'm also towing a sailboat ('74 Catalina 22)- I highly recommend one as
it's cheap and very well made. It only weighs about 2200lbs, but the
trailer and gear bring it to about 3500. I'm currently towing it with a
beat up '87 Volvo 740 turbo wagon that tows it very well, but I think
the W124 would be more comfortable and fuel efficient. I am also curious
also about the Mercedes' ability to pull up a ramp. The Volvo has been
able to pull the boat up even the steepest of ramps without issues. It
has an automatic with 2.45:1 1st gear, and a 3.73:1 rear axle with an
Eaton G80 locker- and the engine makes 187 ft*lb (253 Nm) of torque at
2900 rpm. Does anyone have the gear ratio and torque specs for the W124?
Is it available with a locking or limited slip rear differential? I
would assume if it has just as low or lower gears, a locker or LSD, and
as much torque then climbing the ramp shouldn't be an issue.
I am mostly worried about the transmission or brakes in the W124 burning
up going over mountains.
For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the
steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the
engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st
gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4)
the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be
hardest to find...
Searching online, I found that my Volvo has a 2700rpm stall speed torque
converter and makes about 175 ft*lb of torque at this rpm - or about
1599 ft*lb at the rear axle. With a 12.5in tire radius, this is about
1535 lbs of forward thrust. Fully loaded will all of my gear, the car
and boat probably weigh 7,000lbs.
So:
Force = weight * sin(ramp angle)
ramp angle = arcsin(force/weight) = 0.22 radians = 12.61 degrees
So in theory I can probably pull up a 12.61 degree ramp. According to
BoatUS, most ramps are designed for a 6:1 slope (arctan(1/6)=9.46
degrees), so I have a good extra margin of ability, although without a
locking diff traction would probably come into play first. If someone
can help me find those same numbers for the W124 300TD, I will redo the
calculation for it.
Tyler
Jaime Kopchinski wrote:
Hi Tyler,John gives excellent information... I just installed a factory-like
euro hitch on my 95 E320 wagon, with rated 2100kg load. Thats 4600lbs! I'm
still searching for my towable toy (a sailboat), but I'm looking at for
3500lbs as my maximum. Its quite a bit of weight. In preparation for
towing that weight, I've already gone over my brakes (ended up replacing
just about everything) and changing my trans fluid and filter. My cooling
system is in good shape, with a recent radiator. My only concern is the
car's ability to pull the boat and trailer up a launch ramp.
With some preventative maintenance, common sense, and good trailer brakes, I
think you'll be fine.
Jaime
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[MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Sweet, it sounds like a lot of people on here are also into sailing. It's starting to sound promising- the idea of switching to an MB diesel wagon for towing my sailboat. And yes, I will keep the hydraulic spheres rather than re-engineer the rear suspension myself, per previous discussion. Tyler Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC, 53310 wrote: I've launched and retrieved my ~3000lb sail boat with a 123 wagon many times, and traction was never an issue. Engine power (NA engine, 617.912) WAS an issue! Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Jim Cathey Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 12:19 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? My only concern is the car's ability to pull the boat and trailer up a launch ramp. And a very real concern it should be, too. As that trailer rocks back on the ramp it'll tend to lift the rear wheels off the ground. My son and I got a free ride down an embankment due to that factor. You'd want a lot of extra weight in the back of the wagon, I'd think. Stupid trailer trick story: http://userweb.windwireless.net/~jimc/moglog.html#trailer If the ramp was wet and/or slimy, even worse. It's easy enough in a 4wd truck that outweighs the towed load by 2x, else maybe oh-oh! -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] BuyMBparts
Listers, there have been some changes at BuyMBParts and I feel like everyone on the lists should know about them. Gary Hurst and I are no longer business partners. This actually happened back last January, but we tried to not upset the applecart and we made the change semi transparent. Last night Gary and I had a major difference of opinion and he decided to end our relationship sometime during the night by deleting my email address and removing me and my IM form the web site. This note is just to let everyone know that I have no affiliation with the web and can not help you with any issues if you place web orders. However, if you call us to place orders we still will have the same or better pricing, plus access to ALL Mercedes parts, not just web items and we can take care of any issues that arise. Thank you all for your patronage on web and phone orders and I look forward to hearing from you soon. Rusty Cullens BuyMBparts, Inc. Tel 1-800-741-5252 Fax 770-454-9745 buymbpa...@gmail.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/90d57358/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 560 SEL
If you are seriously interested I could go take a look at that car. It has been listed long enough they might be willing to entertain offers. --R E M wrote: Exterior looks nice. If they are in good running order and clean, it's a lot of car for $5000. I know I have an old brochure kicking around somewhere, that listed all the options. One of them, and an expensive one, was where the bench rear seat was replaced with two seats, and a center wood console divider. I've yet to see a car with that option. I seem to remember it was something close to $10,000 in late 80s dollars. Does anyone know if they used the seat pattern as used on Euro cars with cloth, on the leather seats too ? Not sure how to describe it, but it wasn't folded and pleated as on W126s that came to North America. Ed 300 2009/10/14 Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net There's a black one that has been sitting on a used car dealer lot for months, and posted on CL every few days, $5450 http://charleston.craigslist.org/ctd/1419164721.html I have seen it driving by, looks nice exterior but I have not stopped to look at it. I think this is the one where you could get hudge savings and all your friends will be your envy or all your base are belong to us or something like that. --R E M wrote: saw a great 560 the other day, no rust at all, interior perfect, and rear window shade. I'd still love a 560 if I could find a nice clean one. I was tempted to leave a note on the car, as I have done in the past with other cars, but I resisted. :-) Ed 300E -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/4c74aeb5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/200c20c5/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/ed80789c/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
samstagsales.com LarryT wrote: One more question. Rusty doesn't have the special socket - he suggested Assenbachertool but the only one I saw there was a 22mm MB Injector tool - it looks like a hex socket - my memory of the DVs is it having a bunch of teeth around it so a matching socket would be needed. The car is not here so I can't go look - Any idea where I might find/rent this socket? Is it a 22mm socket? ($33 above) Thanks! Larry Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 9:03 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry, Fix it: loosen and repeat the three step torque procedure. Take a close look at the clearances above the IP, to make sure you can fit a torque wrench in there. On my OM603 the intake manifold makes it a very tight fit. A smaller torque wrench may be required. Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of LarryT Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 8:54 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Hi Max -- Thanks *very* much for your experienced suggestions! As far as your comment Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) That's why I took it to the dealer - while my fuel filters are new, cannot find any air leaks, have treated it for carbon in the pre-chambers (along with 2 years of 100 mi RT at 67-70mph) I can't be sure of the other possibilities. Obviously, I'm hoping the MB Technician knew what he was doing. I will replace the springs and make sure all is clean - you're right about the springs - seems like false economy not to replace them while you're in there. But I have a question about the possibility of warping the IP body when torqing the DVs - you said it's necessary to Fix it. How would I do that? Maybe I'd be better off letting the dealer do it??I cringe at the thought of damaging the IP!! I'm off to get springs and the removal tool from Rusty - Thx agn - It's all *very* helpful!! Even if this doesn't fix the rocking completely, it appears it's something that needs to be done. LarryT 91 300D Does your business accept or need to accept V/MC/AE/Dis? We have the best rates 0% Interest Business loans. Visit: http://www.merchantreferralsolutions.com/A365706 -- From: Dillon, Meade M CIV SPAWARSYSCEN-ATLANTIC,53310 meade.m.dil...@navy.mil Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 7:43 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Harry, Rough idle can be caused by internal leak at copper washer OR by worn elements inside the delivery valve. I suspect that you really have to know what you are looking for to identify worn elements inside the DV; new DV are pricey, but for the novice a strategy may be to purchase one and use it for comparison purposes? Obviously there are other causes for rough idle that also need to be investigated (fuel filters, air leaks, bad injectors, carbon in pre-chambers, valve adjustment on older engines, EDS problems on newer engines, compression, etc.) Max -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of harry watkins Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 1:29 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
I have shipped many a set of wheels and tires. You just slap a label on them and send them fedex. No big deal. Donald Snook wrote: I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. So, here are my questions: Since the diameter of the tire is nearly identical, I guess that means its not a problem to go up to 17 inch tires. Is that right? Has anybody had tires and wheels shipped? The tires are 28 lbs each. I am guess that the wheels weigh about 10 pounds each. So, that's about 150-160 lbs to ship. They are in Michigan and I am in Kansas. Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this or suggestions for economical shipping. Donald H. Snook -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/98b9e026/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
At 11:07 AM 10/14/2009, Donald H. Snook wrote: I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. (snip) In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter. Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin. I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends. Easier to put chains on too. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Superstitious belief can be thought of as a natural condition of childhood. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
Most winter tires now are ice tires rather than snow tires and the siping is what gives them the grip plus perhaps a softer rubber compound so that they don't get as hard with the cold. We had Goodyears ice radials on my wife's Honda last winter and she declared them to be wonderful. Randy -Original Message- From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]on Behalf Of David Kristin Gilmore Sent: Wednesday, October 14, 2009 2:39 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels At 11:07 AM 10/14/2009, Donald H. Snook wrote: I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. (snip) In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter. Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin. I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends. Easier to put chains on too. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Superstitious belief can be thought of as a natural condition of childhood. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Searching in google, I did find some specs on the W123 300TD turbo. It
should be able to pull a 3500lb trailer up an incline of around 14-15
degrees- better than my Volvo 740T, primarily due to a lower 1st gear.
Torque curve: http://www.zarnochwf1.com/node/18
I don't know the stall speed, but it's probably safe to say it's at
least 2000rpm, which would give about 177 ft*lb of torque for the turbo
engine.
The tires are the same as my 740, so 12.5 radius.
Rear axle ratio is 3.07 in '81-'84
(http://www.peachparts.com/shopforum/showthread.php?t=223884).
Curb weight is about 500lbs more than the Volvo, so say 7500 lbs total.
1st gear is 3.68:1 (http://home.comcast.net/~phantoms/vacuum/722_ratios.jpg)
Torque at rear axle: 177ft*lb*3.68*3.07=2000ft*lb
Thrust at stall: 2000ft*lb/1.04ft=1920lb
ramp angle = arcsin(1920lb/7500lb)=14.83 degrees
Tyler
tyler wrote:
Jamie,
I'm also towing a sailboat ('74 Catalina 22)- I highly recommend one
as it's cheap and very well made. It only weighs about 2200lbs, but
the trailer and gear bring it to about 3500. I'm currently towing it
with a beat up '87 Volvo 740 turbo wagon that tows it very well, but I
think the W124 would be more comfortable and fuel efficient. I am also
curious also about the Mercedes' ability to pull up a ramp. The Volvo
has been able to pull the boat up even the steepest of ramps without
issues. It has an automatic with 2.45:1 1st gear, and a 3.73:1 rear
axle with an Eaton G80 locker- and the engine makes 187 ft*lb (253 Nm)
of torque at 2900 rpm. Does anyone have the gear ratio and torque
specs for the W124? Is it available with a locking or limited slip
rear differential? I would assume if it has just as low or lower
gears, a locker or LSD, and as much torque then climbing the ramp
shouldn't be an issue.
I am mostly worried about the transmission or brakes in the W124
burning up going over mountains.
For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the
steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of
the engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio
of 1st gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside
diameter, and (4) the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that
I expect to be hardest to find...
Searching online, I found that my Volvo has a 2700rpm stall speed
torque converter and makes about 175 ft*lb of torque at this rpm - or
about 1599 ft*lb at the rear axle. With a 12.5in tire radius, this is
about 1535 lbs of forward thrust. Fully loaded will all of my gear,
the car and boat probably weigh 7,000lbs.
So:
Force = weight * sin(ramp angle)
ramp angle = arcsin(force/weight) = 0.22 radians = 12.61 degrees
So in theory I can probably pull up a 12.61 degree ramp. According to
BoatUS, most ramps are designed for a 6:1 slope (arctan(1/6)=9.46
degrees), so I have a good extra margin of ability, although without a
locking diff traction would probably come into play first. If someone
can help me find those same numbers for the W124 300TD, I will redo
the calculation for it.
Tyler
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[MBZ] holy crap is this guy on crack or what?
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-D-Garage-kept-in-execellent-condition_W0QQitemZ160369572262QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item2556c579a6 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] 3.5 Rods
Well crap, look what just turned up on ebay. I wonder if these are worth messing with or if I should just order a new one from Rusty. He quoted $191 for a new one. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
tyler wrote: Sweet, it sounds like a lot of people on here are also into sailing. Ron Dwelle isn't around here any more, but he writes books on the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Studies-Ron-Dwelle/dp/0738839728 Last I knew, Ron had a euro W201 2.5NA with factory towing package, including the hitch, SLS, etc. His cruising yacht is of course not trailerable. I should try to keep in touch with him. If that car ever gets wrecked, the SLS and towing components would be worth a lot to a guy like me, and Ron only lives about 75 miles away. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
Does anyone have a link to the diagram showing how the three threaded rubber air cleaner supports attach to the engine? I removed my air cleaner assembly to replace the three air cleaner support bumpers on my 85 300TD, but there is no place to attach one of the supports, and one of the other two supports sheared off and I cannot remove the remnant piece from the threaded hole on the support bracket. As a result, the air cleaner is now effectively (or ineffectively) supported by just one of those bumpers. I must be missing some sort of support bracket where I can attach the third threaded support. Then i will have to figure out how to poke out the remnant of the sheared off pin. Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 00TD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/0868fe34/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
tyler wrote: Searching in google, I did find some specs on the W123 300TD turbo. It should be able to pull a 3500lb trailer up an incline of around 14-15 degrees- better than my Volvo 740T, primarily due to a lower 1st gear. You seem to be forgetting the purpose of a torque converter, which is to multiply torque. I'm guessing the real thrust could easily be 170-200% of your calculations. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
That sounds like an interesting book, I think I might look for a copy. I've been obsessed with reading every sailing adventure book I can find recently. The W201factory towing package would be quite a nice setup! Did he use it for towing sailboats? I've toyed with the idea of towing my sailboat with my '87 190DT- but I think the car is just too light, and too short of a wheelbase to do it safely. The OM602 turbo engine on the other hand would be awesome for towing, if it were installed in a small truck for example. I did find an old post from Marshall saying his 190DT could tow 1500 kg (3300lbs). I also haven't been able to find for sale anywhere a heavy duty hitch for a W201. The best I've been able to find are flimsy class I hitches, while I've been able to find a class III for my Volvo. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Sweet, it sounds like a lot of people on here are also into sailing. Ron Dwelle isn't around here any more, but he writes books on the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Studies-Ron-Dwelle/dp/0738839728 Last I knew, Ron had a euro W201 2.5NA with factory towing package, including the hitch, SLS, etc. His cruising yacht is of course not trailerable. I should try to keep in touch with him. If that car ever gets wrecked, the SLS and towing components would be worth a lot to a guy like me, and Ron only lives about 75 miles away. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well crap, look what just turned up on ebay. I wonder if these are worth messing with or if I should just order a new one from Rusty. He quoted $191 for a new one. I hope he individually wraps them before shipping. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200394581759 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
You're right! I didn't question the calculations because they seemed to be almost perfectly inline with my actual experience. When I tried my Volvo on a very steep boat ramp (probably about 12 degrees?), the rig didn't start moving at all until the engine hit the stall speed and the turbo built boost- it took several seconds. With twice the thrust, the theoretical ramp angle would be ~26 degrees rather than ~12, and a 12 degree ramp should have felt like nothing. Perhaps friction of the water, drivetrain, tires, etc uses up about half of the actual thrust? Maybe the ramp was a lot steeper than 12 degrees? I didn't measure it or anything, but now I'm curious enough to bring a protractor next time. Tyler Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Searching in google, I did find some specs on the W123 300TD turbo. It should be able to pull a 3500lb trailer up an incline of around 14-15 degrees- better than my Volvo 740T, primarily due to a lower 1st gear. You seem to be forgetting the purpose of a torque converter, which is to multiply torque. I'm guessing the real thrust could easily be 170-200% of your calculations. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
tyler wrote: That sounds like an interesting book, I think I might look for a copy. I've been obsessed with reading every sailing adventure book I can find recently. The W201factory towing package would be quite a nice setup! Did he use it for towing sailboats? I don't know. Seems like he had some little boat at home. Looks like most of the discussion on the subject must have been pre-archive, but I found this: http://www.mail-archive.com/mercedes@okiebenz.com/msg10755.html Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I wonder what happened to him? There are ALOT of people that are not around anymore that I have forgotten about and wonder where they are from time to time. Mitch Haley wrote: tyler wrote: Sweet, it sounds like a lot of people on here are also into sailing. Ron Dwelle isn't around here any more, but he writes books on the subject. http://www.amazon.com/Summer-Studies-Ron-Dwelle/dp/0738839728 Last I knew, Ron had a euro W201 2.5NA with factory towing package, including the hitch, SLS, etc. His cruising yacht is of course not trailerable. I should try to keep in touch with him. If that car ever gets wrecked, the SLS and towing components would be worth a lot to a guy like me, and Ron only lives about 75 miles away. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
Well, the only thing I can figure is your air cleaner bracket has broken and you are missing part of it. Call Rusty and get a new one. andrew strasfogel wrote: Does anyone have a link to the diagram showing how the three threaded rubber air cleaner supports attach to the engine? I removed my air cleaner assembly to replace the three air cleaner support bumpers on my 85 300TD, but there is no place to attach one of the supports, and one of the other two supports sheared off and I cannot remove the remnant piece from the threaded hole on the support bracket. As a result, the air cleaner is now effectively (or ineffectively) supported by just one of those bumpers. I must be missing some sort of support bracket where I can attach the third threaded support. Then i will have to figure out how to poke out the remnant of the sheared off pin. Andrew 1983 300TD 1985 00TD -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/0868fe34/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
As a result, the air cleaner is now effectively (or ineffectively) supported by just one of those bumpers. Many of us take one of the sheared-off half bumpers and screw it into the side of the air cleaner housing so that it serves as a bumper against the valve cover. Helps save the lives of the three official shock mounts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Sailing was: Re: Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: I wonder what happened to him? I don't know. He was still in Muskegon or wherever when that gold 190DT down the road from me was on ebay 2 1/2 years ago and I told him about it. He'd outgrown the urge to buy 190 turbos by then. Interesting that most of his family seemed to prefer the 2.5 5sp over the 2.5 turbo. (myself, I want a 2.5 turbo 5sp with LSD, sportline seats and SLS) Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I think you're right except for one factor you left out: The sliminess of the ramp. Which I suppose is less of an issue on the west coast but I saw a guy damn near lose a fullsize Blazer on a not particularly steep lake ramp because he didn't bother to put it into 4wd (because it wasn't steep) but as the weight of boat hit the trailer as he pulled it out of the water he started to spin and slide backwards. As soon as he started to slide he hit the brakes but he continued to slide until the boat started to float... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4ad64131.2060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4) the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be hardest to find... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/bb80aa83/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
I'm with Dave on that, in fact my 240D is due for 2 new tires since I didn't get an alignment done after changing UCAs last fall (stupid) and I'm torn as to keeping the rears and getting a generic set of snows for the front or replacing all 4. If I replace all 4 I'll go back to 185/whatever/14 that I had before, right now its got 195/whatever/14 except for the spare which is a 205/whatever/14... I let a slick tire salesman talk me into wider tires on my Dakota once, NEVER AGAIN. With its v8 that thing was tricky in snow anyway, with the wider tires it was a disaster in 2wd and only acceptable in 4wd. -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:39:08 -0400 From: David Kristin Gilmore dandkgilm...@frontier.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 20091014203918.eb64210f...@relay02.roch.ny.frontiernet.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed At 11:07 AM 10/14/2009, Donald H. Snook wrote: I found some snow tires mounted on BMW wheels for my car. I currently have 235/60/16 performance tires on my car. I found a set of nearly new Dunlop winter tires mounted. They are 235/55/17. According to an online tire diameter calculator I found that represents a difference of only .26% in diameter. So, I think it will be okay to use these. (snip) In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter. Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin. I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends. Easier to put chains on too. Dave Gilmore, Cameron WV Superstitious belief can be thought of as a natural condition of childhood. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/628f93ba/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] holy crap is this guy on crack or what?
Well, its a low mileage car and in theory is worth big money, I dunno if its that big... Teeny lousy pictures, poor description and a zero feedback seller tell me he ain't gettin it... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:58:35 -0500 From: Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net Subject: [MBZ] holy crap is this guy on crack or what? To: Banned List ban...@okiebenz.com, mercedes Mailing List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4ad6579b.5070...@striplin.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; Format=flowed http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-D-Garage-kept-in-execellent-condition_W0QQitemZ160369572262QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item2556c579a6 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/be751dea/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems
To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] W124 Motor Mounts Related Problems Larry wrote: Additionally, they tell me the Injector Seals are leaking - not internal seals but the O-Ring and copper washer that fits inside the line where it exits the IP - so the IP doesn't need to be replaced - only the metal injector lines need to come off and a fitting inside the IP removed from each injector exit port. I plan to do it myself and from what little I've seen it doesn't look too bad. Don't know how I would have found these seals were bad! They tell me the seals leak internally cause the problem I described - rough idle at idle after fully warmed up. Boy, this messes with my mind. How can one determine that a delivery valve has an internal leak? I could understand if they had looked at the parts and found some wear but that would have required a tear down. IMHO, if you go in there for any reason, you should replace the o-rings, seals and springs, perform the three step torque procedure and hope for the best. Anyone know how they do that? Thanks Harry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/48c73436/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
geez, link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200394581759ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well crap, look what just turned up on ebay. I wonder if these are worth messing with or if I should just order a new one from Rusty. He quoted $191 for a new one. -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
I'm guessing that they are original - how close are they to bending? Are you planning to keep this car, or just drive it for 6 more months? Things to consider --- On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: geez, link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200394581759ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well crap, look what just turned up on ebay. I wonder if these are worth messing with or if I should just order a new one from Rusty. He quoted $191 for a new one. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/63c142ed/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
I think I did mention than an LSD or locker is required? With the eaton G80 locker in my Volvo, I have never slipped the rear tires even for a second- even when I was backed down with the water over the rear bumper on algae and sand covered ramps. I do think a locker is at least as good as regular open diff 4wd on a boat ramp, since there's a lot more weight on the rear axle than the front due to the tongue weight and incline. I have pulled a 4,000 lb boat up a ramp with a Volvo 760 Turbo Diesel that was without a locker- and it was extremely difficult due to wheelspin, and did slide sideways a bit before I could get it to start moving forwards. I don't think I'd want to tow any boat over 2,000lbs again without a locker or 4wd. With a locker and good tires, the limit is probably torque rather than traction. I don't know what lockers or LSD options there are for W124s and W123s. Would the 190E 16v LSD work? I prefer a real locker to an LSD, but either is better than nothing. Another thing that helps a lot with a sailboat is an extending trailer tongue, which will keep your rear tires on cleaner and drier pavement- as well as protect your car from saltwater damage. I paid a welder just last weekend to replace my extending tongue, which was rusted solid. Sincerely, Tyler 1987 190D Turbo Biodiesel On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I think you're right except for one factor you left out: The sliminess of the ramp. Which I suppose is less of an issue on the west coast but I saw a guy damn near lose a fullsize Blazer on a not particularly steep lake ramp because he didn't bother to put it into 4wd (because it wasn't steep) but as the weight of boat hit the trailer as he pulled it out of the water he started to spin and slide backwards. As soon as he started to slide he hit the brakes but he continued to slide until the boat started to float... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4ad64131.2060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4) the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be hardest to find... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/bb80aa83/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
[MBZ] captain lou albano died today
there was none better http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fRKbsjKl-Gofeature=related -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/77dd017b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Also, most of the ramps I use are made from corrugated looking concrete, which doesn't slime up much. If his blazer slid with the brakes on- perhaps even 4wd wouldn't have saved him? Sincerely, Tyler On Oct 14, 2009, at 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I think you're right except for one factor you left out: The sliminess of the ramp. Which I suppose is less of an issue on the west coast but I saw a guy damn near lose a fullsize Blazer on a not particularly steep lake ramp because he didn't bother to put it into 4wd (because it wasn't steep) but as the weight of boat hit the trailer as he pulled it out of the water he started to spin and slide backwards. As soon as he started to slide he hit the brakes but he continued to slide until the boat started to float... -Curt Date: Wed, 14 Oct 2009 14:22:57 -0700 From: tyler casi...@usermail.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon? To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Message-ID: 4ad64131.2060...@usermail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed snip For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st gear times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4) the combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be hardest to find... -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/bb80aa83/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Anyone tow with a W124 wagon?
Interesting, a Catalina 22 is exactly what I had in mind when considering
the largest towable boat! Good to hear your experiences. I've been really
looking for a com-pac 19, but there aren't that many out there. Com-pac 23
would be ideal, but is getting too heavy and difficult to trailer in
general. However, if a nice Catalina 22 for a good price comes around, I
might just jump on it!
Jaime
On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 5:22 PM, tyler casi...@usermail.com wrote:
Jamie,
I'm also towing a sailboat ('74 Catalina 22)- I highly recommend one as
it's cheap and very well made. It only weighs about 2200lbs, but the trailer
and gear bring it to about 3500. I'm currently towing it with a beat up '87
Volvo 740 turbo wagon that tows it very well, but I think the W124 would be
more comfortable and fuel efficient. I am also curious also about the
Mercedes' ability to pull up a ramp. The Volvo has been able to pull the
boat up even the steepest of ramps without issues. It has an automatic with
2.45:1 1st gear, and a 3.73:1 rear axle with an Eaton G80 locker- and the
engine makes 187 ft*lb (253 Nm) of torque at 2900 rpm. Does anyone have the
gear ratio and torque specs for the W124? Is it available with a locking or
limited slip rear differential? I would assume if it has just as low or
lower gears, a locker or LSD, and as much torque then climbing the ramp
shouldn't be an issue.
I am mostly worried about the transmission or brakes in the W124 burning up
going over mountains.
For pulling up a ramp, I think one could calculate reasonably well the
steepest ramp you could pull a given boat up given (1) the torque of the
engine at the stall speed of the torque converter, (2) the ratio of 1st gear
times the rear differential, (3) the tire outside diameter, and (4) the
combined weight of the entire rig. It's #1 that I expect to be hardest to
find...
Searching online, I found that my Volvo has a 2700rpm stall speed torque
converter and makes about 175 ft*lb of torque at this rpm - or about 1599
ft*lb at the rear axle. With a 12.5in tire radius, this is about 1535 lbs of
forward thrust. Fully loaded will all of my gear, the car and boat probably
weigh 7,000lbs.
So:
Force = weight * sin(ramp angle)
ramp angle = arcsin(force/weight) = 0.22 radians = 12.61 degrees
So in theory I can probably pull up a 12.61 degree ramp. According to
BoatUS, most ramps are designed for a 6:1 slope (arctan(1/6)=9.46 degrees),
so I have a good extra margin of ability, although without a locking diff
traction would probably come into play first. If someone can help me find
those same numbers for the W124 300TD, I will redo the calculation for it.
Tyler
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Re: [MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the air tight lid on the air celaner assembly? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: As a result, the air cleaner is now effectively (or ineffectively) supported by just one of those bumpers. Many of us take one of the sheared-off half bumpers and screw it into the side of the air cleaner housing so that it serves as a bumper against the valve cover. Helps save the lives of the three official shock mounts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/00ac87cc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Winter tires/wheels
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 16:39:08 -0400 David Kristin Gilmore dandkgilm...@frontier.com wrote: In my experience the tire with the wider footprint (here the 235/55/17) is going to be less suitable for winter. Actually, 235 wide tires are the same width, regardless of their aspect ratio. [The first number is the width, the second number is the aspect ratio, and the third number is the rim diameter. Width x aspect ratio = height. 2 x height + rim diameter = tire diameter.] Maybe the different tread compound in the winter tire helps offset the effect, but I notice narrow tires tend to dig in and bite while the fat ones float on the surface and spin. Yes, this is true. I would go for as narrow a winter tire as BMW recommends. Easier to put chains on too. Good points. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
andrew strasfogel wrote: Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the air tight lid on the air celaner assembly? The most important feature of the airbox is separating the clean side (center of filter) from the dirty side. The lid is necessary to this. If you run a 6mm stud through the side of the housing and put a nut on it, you won't be creating much of a leak (and the rubber bumper on the outside might seal it perfectly) and any leak will be on the dirty side anyway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] holy crap is this guy on crack or what?
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:58:35 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/Mercedes-Benz-300-Series-D-Garage-kept-in-execellent-condition_W0QQitemZ160369572262QQcmdZViewItemQQptZUS_Cars_Trucks?hash=item2556c579a6 Car is superb conditon, appraised at 18,900 in 2005. Appraised by whom? Little tiny pictures don't give much to look at to judge its condition ... Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:01:51 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Well crap, look what just turned up on ebay. I wonder if these are worth messing with or if I should just order a new one from Rusty. He quoted $191 for a new one. Yes, but are these the new style rod or the old? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
Now I wish i had saved the buggered buffer/bumper! On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 11:32 PM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: andrew strasfogel wrote: Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the air tight lid on the air celaner assembly? The most important feature of the airbox is separating the clean side (center of filter) from the dirty side. The lid is necessary to this. If you run a 6mm stud through the side of the housing and put a nut on it, you won't be creating much of a leak (and the rubber bumper on the outside might seal it perfectly) and any leak will be on the dirty side anyway. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/3cf61a5b/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] BuyMBparts
On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 17:35:43 -0400 Rusty Cullens buymbpa...@gmail.com wrote: Last night Gary and I had a major difference of opinion and he decided to end our relationship sometime during the night by deleting my email address and removing me and my IM form the web site. Boy, I'm sorry to hear this. It's something you sure didn't need. How are you doing with your flooding? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
Im planning on keeping it, but who knows. Looks like close to $1200 if I decide to replace all of them with new. Then I have to look at do I replace the bearings also, then do I look at do I replace the rings. Geez. OK Don wrote: I'm guessing that they are original - how close are they to bending? Are you planning to keep this car, or just drive it for 6 more months? Things to consider --- On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 8:00 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.netwrote: geez, link http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=200394581759ssPageName=STRK:MEWAX:IT Kaleb C. Striplin wrote: Well crap, look what just turned up on ebay. I wonder if these are worth messing with or if I should just order a new one from Rusty. He quoted $191 for a new one. -- OK Don CONSERVATIVE, n. A statesman who is enamored of existing evils, as distinguished from the Liberal, who wishes to replace them with others. The Devil's Dictionary Ambrose Bierce -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/63c142ed/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/93ec0a95/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 3.5 Rods
That is the question. I guess it would stand to reason if they are the old style, even if not bent now could possibly bend at some point later on. Craig McCluskey wrote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 18:01:51 -0500 Kaleb C. Striplin ka...@striplin.net wrote: Well crap, look what just turned up on ebay. I wonder if these are worth messing with or if I should just order a new one from Rusty. He quoted $191 for a new one. Yes, but are these the new style rod or the old? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/f0f7e2d5/attachment.html -- next part -- Internal Virus Database is out of date. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 8.5.409 / Virus Database: 270.13.113/2400 - Release Date: 09/28/09 05:51:00 ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] W123 air cleaner supports
How would it do that? andrew strasfogel wrote: Doesn't that defeat the purpose of the air tight lid on the air celaner assembly? On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 9:06 PM, Jim Cathey j...@windwireless.net wrote: As a result, the air cleaner is now effectively (or ineffectively) supported by just one of those bumpers. Many of us take one of the sheared-off half bumpers and screw it into the side of the air cleaner housing so that it serves as a bumper against the valve cover. Helps save the lives of the three official shock mounts. -- Jim ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/00ac87cc/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Kaleb C. Striplin/Claremore, OK 95 E300, 92 500SEL, 92 300SD, 92 300E 4Matic, 91 300D, 91 300E, 89 560SEL, 87 300SDL x2, 85 380SE 5.0 Euro, 85 190D, 84 190D, 84 300D euro manny, 81 240D, 80 240D, 76 240D, 76 300D, http://www.okiebenz.com -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091014/cdc42eb0/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] Memories
Last night Gary and I had a major difference of opinion and he decided to end our relationship sometime during the night by deleting my email address and removing me and my IM form the web site This is essentially what Ritter did to Easley. RLE -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://okiebenz.com/pipermail/mercedes_okiebenz.com/attachments/20091015/0fcb4769/attachment.html ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
