Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Didn't used to be.  but maybe it is the same stuff.  Maybe not.


fmiser via Mercedes 
March 29, 2017 at 12:21 AM

Floyd wrote:



Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff
called "MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.


This stuff?

http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product/mirror-glaze-clear-plastic-cleaner

https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-Mirror-Glaze-Plastic-Cleaner/dp/BAXMD6



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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Floyd wrote:

> Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff
> called "MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.

This stuff?

http://www.meguiarsdirect.com/product/mirror-glaze-clear-plastic-cleaner

https://www.amazon.com/Meguiars-Mirror-Glaze-Plastic-Cleaner/dp/BAXMD6

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unique percussion music

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Well, here is a friend of mine on steel drum.  A former member of the 
ISUCFVMB Drumline.  (and ISUCFAMB drunline)  And Stan is an all-round 
good guy!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8at-MK4P1RI   Skip to about 3:00 then 
let er rip.

Stan is on faculty at Central College.

here are his students:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8at-MK4P1RI

Percussion is all around us, and everything is an instrument.   
Percussion is the universal music.  If you have two sticks or 2 spoons 
or 2 fingers and a table, you are a percussionist!




OK Don via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 11:34 PM
It would have been better if they used steel drums - more bell like tone.
Impressive never-the-less.

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unique percussion music

[OK Don via Mercedes]

This one is even better:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNFlAzVhSVw


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:34 PM, OK Don  wrote:

> It would have been better if they used steel drums - more bell like tone.
> Impressive never-the-less.
>
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>> I love the plink of lead on steel in the morning
>>
>> But I have not heard tuned steel before..
>>
>> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>>> March 28, 2017 at 7:08 PM
>>> That was great!
>>>
>>> -D
>>>
>>>
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> our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain
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> who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric
> fence for themselves."
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*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
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[MBZ] Oil pressure drop

[clay via Mercedes]

Since Allen is going to be my DD for the future, I am taking many hours to get 
her a little more reliable.  The W220 is going to be coming back, but I do not 
trust it.

I got the SD with what I am sure was long delayed fluid care.   I have not done 
PS or brake fluid, but the oils got swapped for fresh along with fluids.  The 
Diff goo was just nasty.  Stank and black as tar.  It was removed and I ran 
some fresh until it no longer had black crud.

Engine oil was pretty thick and black as well.  I could not feel much in the 
way of granularity in the old fluid, and poured a fresh quart through to help 
flush the old.  Before the change, the oil pressure was pegged at speed, and 
around 2 bar at idle.  After the change I still peg under usage, but now idle 
pressure is between 1.5 to 1.0 bar when hot.

I have about 200 miles on the new oil.  I wonder if I should run it the full 3k 
miles, or do a change a bit sooner.  Maybe use Marvel Mystery oil or SeaFoam to 
give it a good scrubbing for a few minutes before the next change over.


clay 

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1974 450sl -  Frosch - Two tone green
1986 SDL - Polei
1982 300 SD - Allen

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unique percussion music

[OK Don via Mercedes]

It would have been better if they used steel drums - more bell like tone.
Impressive never-the-less.

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 8:21 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I love the plink of lead on steel in the morning
>
> But I have not heard tuned steel before..
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
>> March 28, 2017 at 7:08 PM
>> That was great!
>>
>> -D
>>
>>
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"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I always wanted a Deutz tractor.  About 1980, I attended a Deutz engine 
service school in Chit ca gogo.   The instructor always said "achust der 
falfes"


I think they are too tall for an MB engine bay. at least the 912 and 913 
series...



archer75--- via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 10:35 PM

You would probably like playing with a Deutz air cooled engine.
Neighbor bought a semi-truck that had a Deutz air cooled V-8 intended 
for farm equipment. It did well on flat ground but wouldn't hold up in 
the mountains. One interesting feature was a "grass catcher" that 
chopped up any vegetation before it got to the fins of the cylinders.
Big warning sign in German: "Don't stick fingers here." or something 
like that because doing so would chop them up as well.


You could probably slip one of these smaller Deutz aircooled diesels 
into a Mercedes:


http://dieselparts.com.au/engines/


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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 23:35:17 -0400 archer75--- via Mercedes
 wrote:

> You could probably slip one of these smaller Deutz aircooled diesels
> into a  Mercedes:
> 
> http://dieselparts.com.au/engines/


I like http://dieselparts.com.au/engines/bf6l914c/


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

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> I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/
> -D

You would probably like playing with a Deutz air cooled engine.
Neighbor bought a semi-truck that had a Deutz air cooled V-8 intended for farm 
equipment. It did well on flat ground but wouldn't hold up in the mountains. 
One interesting feature was a "grass catcher" that chopped up any vegetation 
before it got to the fins of the cylinders. 
Big warning sign in German: "Don't stick fingers here." or something like that 
because doing so would chop them up as well.

You could probably slip one of these smaller Deutz aircooled diesels into a  
Mercedes:

http://dieselparts.com.au/engines/

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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

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Reminds me of the Monty Python skit about the top secret British joke
developed during the war which, when read by the Nazis, would kill them in
a paroxysm of laughter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8I3zCQzZx68

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:14 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> my instructor has a couple.  Doc friend liked them.  Got one for
> themselves (Doc und Frau)  She is wicked good with it.
>
> Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
>> March 28, 2017 at 9:06 PM
>> The Czechs make some fine small arms too.
>>
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Plus two, Minus one.

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

 I* am out of red fuses here, so I robbed one form the sunroof, and all is
now well again.*

Why would a manual s/r have a fuse??

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 5:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> 1981 240D  123.123
>
> Got the electrical problem figgered out.  If Manfred didn't already have a
> keg of bier, (good, German) i'd buy him a bottle.  Manfred suggested fuse
> 12.  Sure enough, when I took fuse 12 out, the bottom stayed stuck to the
> fuse holder.  It looked fine, but was broken at the clamp of the holder.  I
> am out of red fuses here, so I robbed one form the sunroof, and all is now
> well again.
>
> Plus one!  Sehr GUT!
>
> Last fall I got a new Bosal exhaust system for the 240D as it was only
> patches holding the patches together.   Monday the exhust got loud.  I
> looked under  and didn't see anything wrong.  today I looked more
> thouroughly with old clothes, and with the car running I could see a leak
> in front of the resonator.  The new pipe has cracked completely around
> about 5" in front of the resonator where a triangular reinforcement was
> welded on.  I tried to put a bandaid on it, but it can't be patched easily
> because of the reinforcement.  Crockauto said it was under warranty.  It is
> going to cost me about $20 freight to get  a new one and send back the
> cracked new one.   I don't think it has gone 1000 miles with the new
> exhaust.
>
> Minus one.
>
> Since the discussion of the pressure relief valve on the IP, I figured I
> should check that, guessing that it is collapsed.  It was 20 mm.  Stretched
> it to 27mm (1 1/8") and put it back.  Idle is better.  It seems like
> acceleration may be better too.  I didn't take it out and drive it.  It
> seemed to rev faster.
>
> Plus one.   Thank you to whoever it was that brought up the topic and also
> to who posted the 27mm dimension.  Jogged my memory and saved me trying to
> look it up.  My books are packed away somewhere, so that is not easy right
> now.
>
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>
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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question --

[clay via Mercedes]

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/w126-s-se-sec-sel-sd/2797954-re-install-becker-grand-prix-help.html#post15811122
 


BW has pix

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:38 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Nothing in the queue. Send it again?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 7:03 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> Dang, the pix got stripped
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 3:09 PM, clay via Mercedes  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
 On Mar 28, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
  wrote:
 
 Which diagram do you have, the factory service manual?
 
 I think the anti-theft wire is simply a ground wire?  Maybe Jaime can
 recall?
 
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
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Re: [MBZ] Okie Home Invaders Will Invade No More...

[Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes]

Yep 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:52 PM, Mitch Haley via Mercedes  
> wrote:
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

my instructor has a couple.  Doc friend liked them.  Got one for 
themselves (Doc und Frau)  She is wicked good with it.



Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 9:06 PM
The Czechs make some fine small arms too.




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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The Czechs make some fine small arms too.

> -Original Message-
> From:  Floyd Thursby via Mercedes
> 
> That other link I posted said they were built in commie Czechoslovakia.
> The czechs are pretty smart, drink the Budvar instead of the vodka.
> 
> --FT


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Re: [MBZ] Okie Home Invaders Will Invade No More...

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I heard about that this morning.  Good  on him.


Mitch Haley via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 8:52 PM
http://okcfox.com/news/local/wagoner-co-sheriffs-office-investigating-triple-homicide-in-broken-arrow-area

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Re: [MBZ] Spring Stretch Results 123.123.12

[Scott Ritchey via Mercedes]

The service manual (07.1-145) actually covers this pretty well, but it's
something I never adjusted on my cars.
If you can't access your books, the crappy scanned version is at:

https://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/outside/12253/program/Engine/617/07_1-14
5.pdf

Scott


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> Subject: Re: [MBZ] Spring Stretch Results 123.123.12
> 
> 1981 240D  123.123
> 
> 
> Since the discussion of the pressure relief valve on the IP, I figured I
should
> check that, guessing that it is collapsed.  It was 20 mm.
> Stretched it to 27mm (1 1/8") and put it back.  Idle is better.  It seems
like
> acceleration may be better too.  I didn't take it out and drive it.  It
seemed to
> rev faster.
> 
> Plus one.   Thank you to whoever it was that brought up the topic and
> also to who posted the 27mm dimension.  Jogged my memory and saved me
> trying to look it up.  My books are packed away somewhere, so that is not
easy
> right now.
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Re: [MBZ] Phone sales

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

I'm paying over 15 cents per kWh after all taxes and transmission charges, here 
in Michigan...

> On March 28, 2017 at 9:40 PM Mountain Man via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> Does anyone else get the incessant calls about lower electric rates?
> None of the rates are near what I pay, so for years I give them a hard
> time.  Today the lady said she was paying 17cents in FL - really?  Do
> you guys pay that much?
> tintin
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[MBZ] Okie Home Invaders Will Invade No More...

[Mitch Haley via Mercedes]

http://okcfox.com/news/local/wagoner-co-sheriffs-office-investigating-triple-homicide-in-broken-arrow-area

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[MBZ] Phone sales

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

Does anyone else get the incessant calls about lower electric rates?
None of the rates are near what I pay, so for years I give them a hard
time.  Today the lady said she was paying 17cents in FL - really?  Do
you guys pay that much?
tintin

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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unique percussion music

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I love the plink of lead on steel in the morning

But I have not heard tuned steel before..


Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 7:08 PM
That was great!

-D




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Re: [MBZ] Spring Stretch Results 123.123.12

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That was me.  I was asking about it because some schlub on PeachParts is 
selling “performance” overpressure valves for $40, and he can’t seem to make 
enough of them.  Up until now I had never heard of such a thing.

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 6:05 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 1981 240D  123.123
> 
> 
> Since the discussion of the pressure relief valve on the IP, I figured I 
> should check that, guessing that it is collapsed.  It was 20 mm.  Stretched 
> it to 27mm (1 1/8") and put it back.  Idle is better.  It seems like 
> acceleration may be better too.  I didn't take it out and drive it.  It 
> seemed to rev faster.
> 
> Plus one.   Thank you to whoever it was that brought up the topic and also to 
> who posted the 27mm dimension.  Jogged my memory and saved me trying to look 
> it up.  My books are packed away somewhere, so that is not easy right now.
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Re: [MBZ] OT: Unique percussion music

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

That was great!

-D

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 7:57 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> this is a composition with a very unique set of percussion instruments.
> 
> Where's Luther when we need him?
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5NquqzHYig
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[MBZ] OT: Unique percussion music

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

this is a composition with a very unique set of percussion instruments.

Where's Luther when we need him?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5NquqzHYig

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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question -- MODERATOR approve

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nothing in the queue. Send it again?

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 7:03 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> Dang, the pix got stripped
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 3:09 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Which diagram do you have, the factory service manual?
>>> 
>>> I think the anti-theft wire is simply a ground wire?  Maybe Jaime can
>>> recall?
>>> 
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question -- MODERATOR approve

[clay via Mercedes]

Dang, the pix got stripped

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 3:09 PM, clay via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Which diagram do you have, the factory service manual?
>> 
>> I think the anti-theft wire is simply a ground wire?  Maybe Jaime can
>> recall?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM, clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
>>> to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
>>> when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
>>> left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.
>>> 
>>> When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
>>> the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
>>> connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
>>> rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
>>> wires?  What the heck do I connect to?
>>> 
>>> The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
>>> the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
>>> brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
>>> wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.
>>> 
>>> I am so depressed.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question MODERATOR Approve

[clay via Mercedes]

And this is the mystery part.

Which of the butchered wires in the dash are the wires I need.



Foreground Yellow black goes to blue/brown.  (switched)

Background Brown/black (constant 12v)

I figured out the antenna wire

Nothing left to be the lighted wire

FleaBay radio that I need to get powered so I can see if it works



> On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:19 AM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You only need to hook up the 4 pin connector to make the radio work:  12v
> constant, 12v switched, lights, ground.  Start there and make sure it turns
> on.
> 
> Antenna trigger is the single wire.
> 
> Any car with the electronic radio 81-93 will have the same harness for power
> 
> If there is an additional connector for anti theft, leave it disconnected.
> 
> Where did you get this radio?  Does it have the anti thieft disabled?
> 
> Jaime
> 
> 
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
>> to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
>> when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
>> left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.
>> 
>> When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
>> the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
>> connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
>> rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
>> wires?  What the heck do I connect to?
>> 
>> The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
>> the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
>> brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
>> wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.
>> 
>> I am so depressed.
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question

[clay via Mercedes]

Lots of Google, a bunch of BW, installed one already in Polei.

I sent a photo of the radios wire harness for approval.  I can put up some of 
the dash end

clay

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 10:15 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I believe it is.
> 
> Clay, have you Googled “Becker grand prix (model number) wiring”?  I just did 
> it for the 754 and found all sorts of diagrams and pictures.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Which diagram do you have, the factory service manual?
>> 
>> I think the anti-theft wire is simply a ground wire?  Maybe Jaime can
>> recall?
>> 
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>> 
>> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM, clay via Mercedes 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
>>> to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
>>> when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
>>> left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.
>>> 
>>> When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
>>> the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
>>> connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
>>> rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
>>> wires?  What the heck do I connect to?
>>> 
>>> The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
>>> the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
>>> brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
>>> wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.
>>> 
>>> I am so depressed.
>>> 
>>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question -- MODERATOR approve

[clay via Mercedes]

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 9:06 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Which diagram do you have, the factory service manual?
> 
> I think the anti-theft wire is simply a ground wire?  Maybe Jaime can
> recall?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
>> to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
>> when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
>> left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.
>> 
>> When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
>> the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
>> connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
>> rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
>> wires?  What the heck do I connect to?
>> 
>> The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
>> the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
>> brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
>> wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.
>> 
>> I am so depressed.
>> 
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] Spring Stretch Results 123.123.12

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1981 240D  123.123


Since the discussion of the pressure relief valve on the IP, I figured I 
should check that, guessing that it is collapsed.  It was 20 mm.  
Stretched it to 27mm (1 1/8") and put it back.  Idle is better.  It 
seems like acceleration may be better too.  I didn't take it out and 
drive it.  It seemed to rev faster.


Plus one.   Thank you to whoever it was that brought up the topic and 
also to who posted the 27mm dimension.  Jogged my memory and saved me 
trying to look it up.  My books are packed away somewhere, so that is 
not easy right now.

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Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins (Resolved)

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1981 240D  123.123

Got the electrical problem figgered out.  If Manfred didn't already have 
a keg of bier, (good, German) i'd buy him a bottle.  Manfred suggested 
fuse 12.  Sure enough, when I took fuse 12 out, the bottom stayed stuck 
to the fuse holder.  It looked fine, but was broken at the clamp of the 
holder.  I am out of red fuses here, so I robbed one form the sunroof, 
and all is now well again.


Mahalo Nui Loa


Scott Ritchey via Mercedes 
March 21, 2017 at 6:59 PM
Many fuses are downstream of switches and  get power only when certain
switch configurations are set.  F1, for example should only get power when
the light switch in park or headlight OR with the light switch in left or
right standing AND the ignition switch in off or acc.

You really need to look at pp 104-105 (power distribution) of the ETM and
identify specific circuits that fail to get power even with the switches set
right.  Power or no-power at any fuse doesn't indicate anything unless you
know the switch settings.

Basically, ALL of the power (except starter) comes into the light switch
first and most of it is fed from there to the ignition switch via two wires.
But there is also one wire from the light switch hot feed to the fuse box
fuses 2 and (I think) 6 that should be powered at all times; this wire it
also powers the windows through a relay.  Fuse 2 is supposed to power turn
signals (among many other things).  The two (a and b) window fuses should
only be powered if the window relay is powered through fuse 12 (ignition
switch in run or start).

Hope this helps.


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Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D 123 Lucas gremlins

Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, all

have no

juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them are for headlights

and

tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and taillights
work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked this with a good digital
meter, black on engine, red probing fuse contacts.  Bottom fuses (Even
numbers) and fses c, d, on the right, all showed 12.13V.

Switch?  Wire from switch?   Headlights are unswitched...but they work.

That was my first thought, but no amount of wiggling could create a closed
circuit, where generally with a bad switch, the contact can be made by

wiggling

the key, or switching on, off, or wiggling key counterclockwise.

The list being sure it was a ground, I tried there second.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes  March 21,
2017 at 4:51 PM Aren't you glad it is a simple car? Could be a whole
lot worse on a newer vehicle.

RB




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Curley McLain  March 21, 2017 at 4:35 PM
Y'all may remember a couple weeks ago I posted about the electrical
gremlins in the 240D (81)

The thing acts like it is possessed by the prince of darkness (Lucas)
not designed by MB/Bosch

These circuits all went out at the same time:
Gas gauge
temp gauge
turn signals (4 ways work)
both window circuits
heater blower

Today I dug into the cluster and loosened and tightened the chassis
grounds behind the cluster.

It resulted in no change.

I left the switch on in the process so if bad contact was made good, I
would hear the blower or other circuits working.  There was nothing.

Where to look next?  Either there is a bad feed to multiple circuits
in the fusebox or bad ground that affects all these circuits.

I'll head out with a meter to be sure all are getting juice, but my
thinking is still that I am chasing a bad ground somewhere.  It does
not appear to be the grounds  behind the cluster.



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Curley McLain 
March 21, 2017 at 5:20 PM
Yes. I am glad it is a 123.  The weirdness continues anyhow.   The top 
row of fuses: 1,3,5,7,... and window fuses a and b on the left side, 
all have no juice, switch on, according to the meter.  Some of them 
are for headlights and tail lights, but weirdly, the headlights and 
taillights work, but the turn signals don't.   I checked 

[MBZ] Plus two, Minus one.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

1981 240D  123.123

Got the electrical problem figgered out.  If Manfred didn't already have 
a keg of bier, (good, German) i'd buy him a bottle.  Manfred suggested 
fuse 12.  Sure enough, when I took fuse 12 out, the bottom stayed stuck 
to the fuse holder.  It looked fine, but was broken at the clamp of the 
holder.  I am out of red fuses here, so I robbed one form the sunroof, 
and all is now well again.


Plus one!  Sehr GUT!

Last fall I got a new Bosal exhaust system for the 240D as it was only 
patches holding the patches together.   Monday the exhust got loud.  I 
looked under  and didn't see anything wrong.  today I looked more 
thouroughly with old clothes, and with the car running I could see a 
leak in front of the resonator.  The new pipe has cracked completely 
around about 5" in front of the resonator where a triangular 
reinforcement was welded on.  I tried to put a bandaid on it, but it 
can't be patched easily because of the reinforcement.  Crockauto said it 
was under warranty.  It is going to cost me about $20 freight to get  a 
new one and send back the cracked new one.   I don't think it has gone 
1000 miles with the new exhaust.


Minus one.

Since the discussion of the pressure relief valve on the IP, I figured I 
should check that, guessing that it is collapsed.  It was 20 mm.  
Stretched it to 27mm (1 1/8") and put it back.  Idle is better.  It 
seems like acceleration may be better too.  I didn't take it out and 
drive it.  It seemed to rev faster.


Plus one.   Thank you to whoever it was that brought up the topic and 
also to who posted the 27mm dimension.  Jogged my memory and saved me 
trying to look it up.  My books are packed away somewhere, so that is 
not easy right now.






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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[clay via Mercedes]

I have not been able to get my massive paws up in the contortions required to 
access the mechanism.  What I could handle has been given a good gooping and 
spray of PB (the kroil died) has been copious.

clay

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 1:35 AM, archer75--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Have you lubricated all moving parts as well as the motor bearings if 
> accessible? Have you tried Deoxit and WD40 and Rusteater (from Autozone) and 
> all the lesser known lubricants that work for other DIYers?
> Have you wiggled and pushed on all the mechanical stuff after each lubricant?
> Have you lubricated the the tracks with silicone grease very, very, lightly?
> --
>> I have given up the fight on trying to get the regulator out of the 
>> passenger side of Allen.  The motor does not spin up, so the window is not 
>> lowering, which would make it all simple to remove.  I think the motor 
>> froze, as when power is applied, there is a click or grunt but no motion.
>> 
>> clay
>> 
>> 
>>> On Mar 27, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> They are also prone to having the clip that holds the scissor into the 
>>> window bottom rail break.  Usually causes the window to drop, but they can 
>>> get stuck fully up.  Rack moves but is no longer attached to the window.
>>> 
>>> Obvious when you remove the door panel.
>>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 300SEL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I must be living right.

Popped the door panel off the left rear door.  Doesn’t appear the door has ever 
been breached.

Broken sliding jaw. Yes!  I always have a couple in the drawer ‘o’ parts, so 
out one came.  Took me the better part of an hour to swap everything, but I got 
it done and now the left rear window works as intended.  Huzzah!

I was going to check the CIS duty cycle but it’s warming up outside and spousal 
unit should be home soon for dinner, so that will get done tomorrow after work.

-D

> On 3/28/17 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Yeah, I was reaching the point of saturation as far as how much money I 
>> wanted to put into this car before I either sold it off for profit or turned 
>> it over to the oldest boy for the proceeds of the sale of his S420.
>> 
>> I’m into it for around $2000 including the purchase price, and it’s near 
>> perfect.  Given that it’s a W126 it will be far easier and cheaper to 
>> maintain than the S420.
>> 
>> As I said previously, I’ll do the upper control arms and the other piddly 
>> stuff and it will be pretty much 100%.  I’m comfortable with that.  Once I 
>> get concurrence from SWMBO I’ll take down the ads.
>> 
>> I got an interesting, even sort of sleazy spam on CL this morning.  The 
>> person said they were interested in my “Mercedes” (note the failure to be 
>> specific) but they wanted to know if I had any sort of history report on it, 
>> like a CarFax.  They linked to a vehicle history service and talked about 
>> how good it was when they used it before because it only cost $10 versus $30 
>> or more for the “others”.
>> 
>> I told them I had a CarFax for it and if they wanted a copy I would provide 
>> it.  Never got a reply.
>> 
>> -D
>> 


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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Sounds like rubbing compound, and probably was. Did you use that before or 
after you went looking for a bucket of prop wash?

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 4:59 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Yeah that sounds like the same stuff, I don't recall Meguiars The googs show 
> that meguiars make it now, maybe it was the same back then.  Still spendy.
> 
> My memory resolution is not good enough to make out the manufacturer!
> 
> --R


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Re: [MBZ] power seat

[clay via Mercedes]

I did a BW check and it comes back that the Gen II use a relay, while the Gen I 
use line voltage to play with the seats.  I am going to try to use the guts 
from the Gen II to rebuild the Gen I

clay

> On Mar 22, 2017, at 5:00 AM, Dan--- via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Check the BW forum, but if my memory serves me correctly the differences are 
> significant due to the inclusion of the memory function in the Gen II 
> controls.
> 
> -D
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2017, at 12:25 AM, clay via Mercedes  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> The seat controls on the 300SD are sort of messed up.   I was wondering if I 
>> could swap in the Gen II controls into a Gen I.  The old style is hard 
>> wired, so I would need to hack into the wires and splice the connectors.  
>> Anybody know the pin out or wire designation?
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Curt Raymond via Mercedes]

Its too bad that Jay Leno got the "Jay Leno's Garage" show on TV. He used to 
have episodes about his car on TV. I thought the Tatra was Yugoslavian but it 
might have be Czech. He told a story about it being a Nazi killer. The Nazi 
officers would acquire the cars and take them fast through turns, the swing 
axle suspension would jack up, poor drivers would lift off the throttle and 
spin out of control to their death.

-Curt

  From: Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
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Cc: Floyd Thursby 
 Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2017 1:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool
   
That other link I posted said they were built in commie Czechoslovakia.  
The czechs are pretty smart, drink the Budvar instead of the vodka.

--FT


On 3/28/17 2:28 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
> Who would have thought the Russians had that kind of art in them. 
> Though maybe a little late as it looks like it would fit in well with 
> some of the earlier American cars like the Hudson and what was that 
> other one that also had a rear engine done I believe by some airplane 
> designer. Also brings to mind the Doodlebug fuel truck.
>
> Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
>> Me too.  I must confess I had some impure thoughts in that regard.  
>> Both points as you mention.
>>
>> --FT
>>
>>
>> On 3/28/17 10:17 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
>>> I must be in love with curves. That just looks cool. Bad thing is I 
>>> would want to drive it all the time. 
>>
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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Yeah that sounds like the same stuff, I don't recall Meguiars The googs 
show that meguiars make it now, maybe it was the same back then.  Still 
spendy.


My memory resolution is not good enough to make out the manufacturer!

--R

On 3/28/17 4:31 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
I was thinking the can was red and white with a curved sunburst sort 
of graphic with the mirrorGlaze in an oval over the sunburst.


Is that how you remember it? I do remember it was very expensive. 
Maybe $5 or $8 a can back in the 60s.  We did not dilute it. 


On 3/28/17 4:54 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:
I went to a gliding club openhouse once many years back. A friend was 
one of the tow pilots and I remember him cleaning the windshield on 
the tow plane with something like that. It was a sort of a cream color 
and quite thick. He poured it on and rubbed it around with a cloth and 
the dead bugs came off and left the windshield very nice. Lots of bugs 
when one is doing take offs and landings on a grass strip in a farm 
field at certain times of the year. I think the product was a Meguiars 
brand but was not sure.


RB

On 28/03/2017 3:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
No idea, it was so long ago I don't remember.  It came in a metal 
rectangular can and apparently was quite pricey as the bean counters 
made us dilute it like 10:1 with water in a spray bottle, which might 
have been how it was supposed to be used anyway, I never paid 
attention to the instructions!  Occasionally if the windscreens were 
particularly nasty we would use it directly.  It was also drilled 
into us not to use shop rags but paper towels as the shop rags 
sometimes had metal shavings in them.  OK on the glass but not on the 
plexi.


The stuff was a kinda beige thick liquid.  It cleaned pretty well but 
it also took some scrubbing.  I think it had a solvent base of some 
sort as it had that aroma.


Funny thinking about this I can actually see the can in my mind right 
now, it has been like 40 years since I last used the stuff!


--R


On 3/28/17 3:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

was that (or is that) a Meguiars product?

RB

On 28/03/2017 9:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff 
called "MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.  It cleaned 
and polished (and was a dessert topping too!) at the same time.  
Left a bit of a waxy sort of coating that made it easier to get 
bugs off. It smelled vaguely like Pledge (original formula).


--R


On 3/27/17 9:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I use Pledge to clean the bugs off the propeller and wing leading 
edges on
the Cessna, and the inside of the windows/windshield. Water and a 
special
UV barrier cleaner get used on the outside of the windows and 
windshield

(all Plexiglas).

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I always used Pledge to clean the visor on my helmet and the 
windshield on

my motorcycle.
Softened and removed the bugs without scratching the plastic.
Smelled good too as a bonus.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

I went to a gliding club openhouse once many years back. A friend was 
one of the tow pilots and I remember him cleaning the windshield on the 
tow plane with something like that. It was a sort of a cream color and 
quite thick. He poured it on and rubbed it around with a cloth and the 
dead bugs came off and left the windshield very nice. Lots of bugs when 
one is doing take offs and landings on a grass strip in a farm field at 
certain times of the year. I think the product was a Meguiars brand but 
was not sure.


RB

On 28/03/2017 3:25 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
No idea, it was so long ago I don't remember.  It came in a metal 
rectangular can and apparently was quite pricey as the bean counters 
made us dilute it like 10:1 with water in a spray bottle, which might 
have been how it was supposed to be used anyway, I never paid 
attention to the instructions!  Occasionally if the windscreens were 
particularly nasty we would use it directly.  It was also drilled into 
us not to use shop rags but paper towels as the shop rags sometimes 
had metal shavings in them.  OK on the glass but not on the plexi.


The stuff was a kinda beige thick liquid.  It cleaned pretty well but 
it also took some scrubbing.  I think it had a solvent base of some 
sort as it had that aroma.


Funny thinking about this I can actually see the can in my mind right 
now, it has been like 40 years since I last used the stuff!


--R


On 3/28/17 3:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

was that (or is that) a Meguiars product?

RB

On 28/03/2017 9:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff 
called "MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.  It cleaned 
and polished (and was a dessert topping too!) at the same time.  
Left a bit of a waxy sort of coating that made it easier to get bugs 
off.  It smelled vaguely like Pledge (original formula).


--R


On 3/27/17 9:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I use Pledge to clean the bugs off the propeller and wing leading 
edges on
the Cessna, and the inside of the windows/windshield. Water and a 
special
UV barrier cleaner get used on the outside of the windows and 
windshield

(all Plexiglas).

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I always used Pledge to clean the visor on my helmet and the 
windshield on

my motorcycle.
Softened and removed the bugs without scratching the plastic.
Smelled good too as a bonus.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I was thinking the can was red and white with a curved sunburst sort of 
graphic with the mirrorGlaze in an oval over the sunburst.


Is that how you remember it? I do remember it was very expensive.  Maybe 
$5 or $8 a can back in the 60s.  We did not dilute it.


Gas was 32¢ bread 3/$1 etc.  BTW I found a bag of Outers bore cleaning 
patches I bought in the 60s.  Guess what the price was?(A quarter 
and a penny)

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 3:25 PM
No idea, it was so long ago I don't remember.  It came in a metal 
rectangular can and apparently was quite pricey as the bean counters 
made us dilute it like 10:1 with water in a spray bottle, which might 
have been how it was supposed to be used anyway, I never paid 
attention to the instructions!  Occasionally if the windscreens were 
particularly nasty we would use it directly.  It was also drilled into 
us not to use shop rags but paper towels as the shop rags sometimes 
had metal shavings in them.  OK on the glass but not on the plexi.


The stuff was a kinda beige thick liquid.  It cleaned pretty well but 
it also took some scrubbing.  I think it had a solvent base of some 
sort as it had that aroma.


Funny thinking about this I can actually see the can in my mind right 
now, it has been like 40 years since I last used the stuff!


--R



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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

No idea, it was so long ago I don't remember.  It came in a metal 
rectangular can and apparently was quite pricey as the bean counters 
made us dilute it like 10:1 with water in a spray bottle, which might 
have been how it was supposed to be used anyway, I never paid attention 
to the instructions!  Occasionally if the windscreens were particularly 
nasty we would use it directly.  It was also drilled into us not to use 
shop rags but paper towels as the shop rags sometimes had metal shavings 
in them.  OK on the glass but not on the plexi.


The stuff was a kinda beige thick liquid.  It cleaned pretty well but it 
also took some scrubbing.  I think it had a solvent base of some sort as 
it had that aroma.


Funny thinking about this I can actually see the can in my mind right 
now, it has been like 40 years since I last used the stuff!


--R


On 3/28/17 3:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

was that (or is that) a Meguiars product?

RB

On 28/03/2017 9:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff 
called "MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.  It cleaned 
and polished (and was a dessert topping too!) at the same time.  Left 
a bit of a waxy sort of coating that made it easier to get bugs off.  
It smelled vaguely like Pledge (original formula).


--R


On 3/27/17 9:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I use Pledge to clean the bugs off the propeller and wing leading 
edges on
the Cessna, and the inside of the windows/windshield. Water and a 
special
UV barrier cleaner get used on the outside of the windows and 
windshield

(all Plexiglas).

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I always used Pledge to clean the visor on my helmet and the 
windshield on

my motorcycle.
Softened and removed the bugs without scratching the plastic.
Smelled good too as a bonus.

RB


--


OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and 
many of

our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The 
few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric 
fence

for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

Meguires has a product called PlastiX.  It works best if you have a 
power buffer with a foam pad.  It not only works on Plastic headlight 
covers but convertible top plastic windows as well.   But doing it 
manually will take a long time.

Good Luck
LarryT

On 03/28/2017 3:58 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote:

was that (or is that) a Meguiars product?

RB

On 28/03/2017 9:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff 
called "MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.  It cleaned 
and polished (and was a dessert topping too!) at the same time.  Left 
a bit of a waxy sort of coating that made it easier to get bugs off.  
It smelled vaguely like Pledge (original formula).


--R


On 3/27/17 9:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I use Pledge to clean the bugs off the propeller and wing leading 
edges on
the Cessna, and the inside of the windows/windshield. Water and a 
special
UV barrier cleaner get used on the outside of the windows and 
windshield

(all Plexiglas).

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I always used Pledge to clean the visor on my helmet and the 
windshield on

my motorcycle.
Softened and removed the bugs without scratching the plastic.
Smelled good too as a bonus.

RB


--


OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and 
many of

our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The 
few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric 
fence

for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I think that is the same stuff we used on the boat plexiglass 
windshields in the 60s.

Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 9:27 AM
 we used some stuff called "MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on 
airplanes.  It cleaned and polished at the same time.  Left a bit of a 
waxy sort of coating that made it easier to get bugs off.  It smelled 
vaguely like Pledge (original formula).


--R


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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question

[Larry Turner via Mercedes]

do a  google search for images of your particular stereo.  I found exact 
matches for my Becker Grand Prix which show me where the power, ground, 
speaker, antenna control, mute for Cell Phone, and speaker front/real 
vol control wires attach, etc.  If you have a Becker BE-1432 I'll be 
happy to send what I have...


Good luck -

Larry

On 03/28/2017 1:19 PM, Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes wrote:

You only need to hook up the 4 pin connector to make the radio work:  12v
constant, 12v switched, lights, ground.  Start there and make sure it turns
on.

Antenna trigger is the single wire.

Any car with the electronic radio 81-93 will have the same harness for power

If there is an additional connector for anti theft, leave it disconnected.

Where did you get this radio?  Does it have the anti thieft disabled?

Jaime


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM clay via Mercedes 
wrote:


My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.

When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
wires?  What the heck do I connect to?

The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.

I am so depressed.

clay
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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Randy Bennell via Mercedes]

was that (or is that) a Meguiars product?

RB

On 28/03/2017 9:27 AM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff called 
"MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.  It cleaned and 
polished (and was a dessert topping too!) at the same time.  Left a 
bit of a waxy sort of coating that made it easier to get bugs off.  It 
smelled vaguely like Pledge (original formula).


--R


On 3/27/17 9:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:
I use Pledge to clean the bugs off the propeller and wing leading 
edges on
the Cessna, and the inside of the windows/windshield. Water and a 
special

UV barrier cleaner get used on the outside of the windows and windshield
(all Plexiglas).

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

I always used Pledge to clean the visor on my helmet and the 
windshield on

my motorcycle.
Softened and removed the bugs without scratching the plastic.
Smelled good too as a bonus.

RB


--


OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and 
many of

our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The 
few who

learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers*
2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[OK Don via Mercedes]

ROTFLMAO!

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 11:49 AM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I'd go for it, but first I want to check for the local dealership for
> parts and repairs.
>
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OK Don

*“Travel is fatal to prejudice, bigotry and narrow-mindedness, and many of
our people need it sorely on these accounts.”* – Mark Twain

"There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who
learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence
for themselves."

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2013 F150, 18 mpg
2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg
1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph!
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Re: [MBZ] An Oke tool...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

I saw something like that in London years ago, it sorta reached over 
with 2 arms and forks and picked the car up and put it on the bed.  
Worked well on narrow congested streets.


--FT


On 3/28/17 2:37 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

That is flat out amazing.  In  broad daylight no less.

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:18 PM, Mountain Man via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=556_1490648595
tintin

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 300SEL Fun

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

It was Kleb and his Nigerian partner shilling his business

--R


On 3/28/17 1:40 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Yeah, I was reaching the point of saturation as far as how much money I wanted 
to put into this car before I either sold it off for profit or turned it over 
to the oldest boy for the proceeds of the sale of his S420.

I’m into it for around $2000 including the purchase price, and it’s near 
perfect.  Given that it’s a W126 it will be far easier and cheaper to maintain 
than the S420.

As I said previously, I’ll do the upper control arms and the other piddly stuff 
and it will be pretty much 100%.  I’m comfortable with that.  Once I get 
concurrence from SWMBO I’ll take down the ads.

I got an interesting, even sort of sleazy spam on CL this morning.  The person 
said they were interested in my “Mercedes” (note the failure to be specific) 
but they wanted to know if I had any sort of history report on it, like a 
CarFax.  They linked to a vehicle history service and talked about how good it 
was when they used it before because it only cost $10 versus $30 or more for 
the “others”.

I told them I had a CarFax for it and if they wanted a copy I would provide it. 
 Never got a reply.

-D



On Mar 28, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes  
wrote:

sounds good

--R


On 3/28/17 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Took some time to look closely at the front suspension at lunch today.  Good 
news!

The lower ball joints are intact and tight.  There was all sorts of cruft 
covering them, giving them the appearance of leaking grease.  I cleaned them 
off and checked them closely and they’re intact with no cracks or damage. Good 
and tight, too.

The upper control arm joints are the culprit for the occasional noise I’m 
hearing when turning.  They’re shot, at least the boots are.  The right side is 
almost completely torn off, the left side just cracked with some small tears, 
but it’s definitely open to the elements.  I used my grease injector to push as 
much grease as I could into both as a stop gap measure, but I’ll be ordering 
the control arms today.

This is great news, as it means I’ll probably keep the car and pass it along to 
the eldest boy.  I’ll do the upper control arms and fix the left rear window 
and gas door lock and the car will be pretty much complete.  I’ve read up on 
the CIS duty cycle adjustment some more and I’m planning on checking that out 
tonight to see how close it is to spec.

Cool.

-D
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] An Oke tool...

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

That is flat out amazing.  In  broad daylight no less.

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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 1994 Luxury S350 Sedan (3.4L) Turbo Diesel - $4900 (charleston)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

It might be sitting a little low in the back, but can't tell for sure. Maybe it 
got hit in the back and that is what I am seeing in the trunk well. Engine 
looks fine to me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:44 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Is it me or does it look like it’s sitting a little low?
> 
> Engine compartment doesn’t look very clean.  And why would someone buy a car 
> like this and drive it for any length of time without a functioning odometer?
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks good, a little on the high side maybe. It's in the prime range of 
>> bending rods. What's going on the spare tire well in the trunk?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6049030408.html
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -- 
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>>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, 
>>> large or petty,
>>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
>>> the enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 1994 Luxury S350 Sedan (3.4L) Turbo Diesel - $4900 (charleston)

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Is it me or does it look like it’s sitting a little low?

Engine compartment doesn’t look very clean.  And why would someone buy a car 
like this and drive it for any length of time without a functioning odometer?

-D



> On Mar 28, 2017, at 1:41 PM, Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Looks good, a little on the high side maybe. It's in the prime range of 
> bending rods. What's going on the spare tire well in the trunk?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6049030408.html
>> 
>> 
>> -- 
>> --FT
>> Winston Churchill:
>> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
>> or petty,
>> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
>> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of 
>> the enemy.”
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[MBZ] Mercedes Benz 1994 Luxury S350 Sedan (3.4L) Turbo Diesel - $4900 (charleston)

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6049030408.html


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Re: [MBZ] 300SEL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Yeah, I was reaching the point of saturation as far as how much money I wanted 
to put into this car before I either sold it off for profit or turned it over 
to the oldest boy for the proceeds of the sale of his S420.

I’m into it for around $2000 including the purchase price, and it’s near 
perfect.  Given that it’s a W126 it will be far easier and cheaper to maintain 
than the S420.

As I said previously, I’ll do the upper control arms and the other piddly stuff 
and it will be pretty much 100%.  I’m comfortable with that.  Once I get 
concurrence from SWMBO I’ll take down the ads.

I got an interesting, even sort of sleazy spam on CL this morning.  The person 
said they were interested in my “Mercedes” (note the failure to be specific) 
but they wanted to know if I had any sort of history report on it, like a 
CarFax.  They linked to a vehicle history service and talked about how good it 
was when they used it before because it only cost $10 versus $30 or more for 
the “others”.

I told them I had a CarFax for it and if they wanted a copy I would provide it. 
 Never got a reply.

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 1:31 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> sounds good
> 
> --R
> 
> 
> On 3/28/17 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>> Took some time to look closely at the front suspension at lunch today.  Good 
>> news!
>> 
>> The lower ball joints are intact and tight.  There was all sorts of cruft 
>> covering them, giving them the appearance of leaking grease.  I cleaned them 
>> off and checked them closely and they’re intact with no cracks or damage. 
>> Good and tight, too.
>> 
>> The upper control arm joints are the culprit for the occasional noise I’m 
>> hearing when turning.  They’re shot, at least the boots are.  The right side 
>> is almost completely torn off, the left side just cracked with some small 
>> tears, but it’s definitely open to the elements.  I used my grease injector 
>> to push as much grease as I could into both as a stop gap measure, but I’ll 
>> be ordering the control arms today.
>> 
>> This is great news, as it means I’ll probably keep the car and pass it along 
>> to the eldest boy.  I’ll do the upper control arms and fix the left rear 
>> window and gas door lock and the car will be pretty much complete.  I’ve 
>> read up on the CIS duty cycle adjustment some more and I’m planning on 
>> checking that out tonight to see how close it is to spec.
>> 
>> Cool.
>> 
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> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] Mercedes Benz 1994 Luxury S350 Sedan (3.4L) Turbo Diesel - $4900 (charleston)

[Kaleb C. Striplin via Mercedes]

Looks good, a little on the high side maybe. It's in the prime range of bending 
rods. What's going on the spare tire well in the trunk?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:35 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> https://charleston.craigslist.org/cto/6049030408.html
> 
> 
> -- 
> --FT
> Winston Churchill:
> “Never give in--never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large 
> or petty,
> never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
> Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
> enemy.”
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That other link I posted said they were built in commie Czechoslovakia.  
The czechs are pretty smart, drink the Budvar instead of the vodka.


--FT


On 3/28/17 2:28 PM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
Who would have thought the Russians had that kind of art in them. 
Though maybe a little late as it looks like it would fit in well with 
some of the earlier American cars like the Hudson and what was that 
other one that also had a rear engine done I believe by some airplane 
designer. Also brings to mind the Doodlebug fuel truck.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Me too.  I must confess I had some impure thoughts in that regard.  
Both points as you mention.


--FT


On 3/28/17 10:17 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
I must be in love with curves. That just looks cool. Bad thing is I 
would want to drive it all the time. 




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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] 300SEL Fun

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

sounds good

--R


On 3/28/17 1:27 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

Took some time to look closely at the front suspension at lunch today.  Good 
news!

The lower ball joints are intact and tight.  There was all sorts of cruft 
covering them, giving them the appearance of leaking grease.  I cleaned them 
off and checked them closely and they’re intact with no cracks or damage. Good 
and tight, too.

The upper control arm joints are the culprit for the occasional noise I’m 
hearing when turning.  They’re shot, at least the boots are.  The right side is 
almost completely torn off, the left side just cracked with some small tears, 
but it’s definitely open to the elements.  I used my grease injector to push as 
much grease as I could into both as a stop gap measure, but I’ll be ordering 
the control arms today.

This is great news, as it means I’ll probably keep the car and pass it along to 
the eldest boy.  I’ll do the upper control arms and fix the left rear window 
and gas door lock and the car will be pretty much complete.  I’ve read up on 
the CIS duty cycle adjustment some more and I’m planning on checking that out 
tonight to see how close it is to spec.

Cool.

-D
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never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense.
Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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[MBZ] 300SEL Fun

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Took some time to look closely at the front suspension at lunch today.  Good 
news!

The lower ball joints are intact and tight.  There was all sorts of cruft 
covering them, giving them the appearance of leaking grease.  I cleaned them 
off and checked them closely and they’re intact with no cracks or damage. Good 
and tight, too.

The upper control arm joints are the culprit for the occasional noise I’m 
hearing when turning.  They’re shot, at least the boots are.  The right side is 
almost completely torn off, the left side just cracked with some small tears, 
but it’s definitely open to the elements.  I used my grease injector to push as 
much grease as I could into both as a stop gap measure, but I’ll be ordering 
the control arms today.

This is great news, as it means I’ll probably keep the car and pass it along to 
the eldest boy.  I’ll do the upper control arms and fix the left rear window 
and gas door lock and the car will be pretty much complete.  I’ve read up on 
the CIS duty cycle adjustment some more and I’m planning on checking that out 
tonight to see how close it is to spec.

Cool.

-D
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[MG via Mercedes]

Who would have thought the Russians had that kind of art in them. 
Though maybe a little late as it looks like it would fit in well 
with some of the earlier American cars like the Hudson and what 
was that other one that also had a rear engine done I believe by 
some airplane designer. Also brings to mind the Doodlebug fuel truck.


Floyd Thursby via Mercedes wrote:
Me too.  I must confess I had some impure thoughts in that regard.  Both 
points as you mention.


--FT


On 3/28/17 10:17 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
I must be in love with curves. That just looks cool. Bad thing is I 
would want to drive it all the time. 




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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question

[Jaime Kopchinski via Mercedes]

You only need to hook up the 4 pin connector to make the radio work:  12v
constant, 12v switched, lights, ground.  Start there and make sure it turns
on.

Antenna trigger is the single wire.

Any car with the electronic radio 81-93 will have the same harness for power

If there is an additional connector for anti theft, leave it disconnected.

Where did you get this radio?  Does it have the anti thieft disabled?

Jaime


On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
> to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
> when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
> left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.
>
> When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
> the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
> connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
> rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
> wires?  What the heck do I connect to?
>
> The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
> the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
> brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
> wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.
>
> I am so depressed.
>
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[MBZ] An Oke tool...

[Mountain Man via Mercedes]

https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=556_1490648595
tintin

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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

They blow directly across finned cylinders, much like you would expect in any 
air cooled engine.

It’s cool to me just due to its simplicity.  

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 1:12 PM, Craig via Mercedes  wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:23:00 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
>  wrote:
> 
>> Two fans at the bottom of the picture.
> 
> I saw those, but they are very small, even compared with the fan for a
> Volkswagen flat-four.
> 
> 
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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I believe it is.

Clay, have you Googled “Becker grand prix (model number) wiring”?  I just did 
it for the 754 and found all sorts of diagrams and pictures.

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 12:06 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Which diagram do you have, the factory service manual?
> 
> I think the anti-theft wire is simply a ground wire?  Maybe Jaime can
> recall?
> 
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM, clay via Mercedes 
> wrote:
> 
>> My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
>> to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
>> when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
>> left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.
>> 
>> When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
>> the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
>> connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
>> rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
>> wires?  What the heck do I connect to?
>> 
>> The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
>> the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
>> brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
>> wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.
>> 
>> I am so depressed.
>> 
>> clay
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 14:23:00 + Fred Moir via Mercedes
 wrote:

> Two fans at the bottom of the picture.

I saw those, but they are very small, even compared with the fan for a
Volkswagen flat-four.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] I am only axing $1000 FIRM

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Reposted a little while ago with a new phone #  I might go look at it later.

--FT


On 3/28/17 9:47 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Wouldn't it be funny if several of us showed up on the guy's driveway.
Seller could hold an auction but it would have to proceed in increments of
$1.00..

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:11 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


 If I knew where he lived I might do that.  Tried to call a

coupla

 times got told the same.  hard to sell a car when you don't have
 your phone working.

 --FT

~~~
Stop a county or city cop and show him a printout of the ad.
If he has good software, he can pull up all cars of that make and model
licensed by the state along with pertinent info. The address should tell
you where to look first and the cop might even have good suggestions.
Shouldn't be too many of those cars around.

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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

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https://thegarage.jalopnik.com/this-ex-kgb-tatra-is-the-most-intimidating-car-for-sale-1793691647

--FT


On 3/28/17 12:49 PM, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes wrote:

I'd go for it, but first I want to check for the local dealership for parts and 
repairs.

Greg

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I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/

-D



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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes]

I'd go for it, but first I want to check for the local dealership for parts and 
repairs.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/

-D



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Re: [MBZ] Anybody rebuild the sls pump?

[fmiser via Mercedes]

> Curley wrote:

> i'd guess the orings in the valve.  MB sez no rebuild, but
> someone here, maybe Jaime, has put new orings in with success.

I rebuilt mine.  Kinda tricky, and getting the arm back on the
shaft in exactly the same position can be hard.  The valve body is
aluminum and so it scratches easily when trying to get the shaft
seals out.  But if yours just leaks down, you may not have to
replace those.


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Re: [MBZ] Dumb stereo wire question

[Meade Dillon via Mercedes]

Which diagram do you have, the factory service manual?

I think the anti-theft wire is simply a ground wire?  Maybe Jaime can
recall?

-
Max
Charleston SC

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 1:20 AM, clay via Mercedes 
wrote:

> My Becker 754 came this weekend and I rebuilt the wire harness to connect
> to the wires in the dash.  The PnP parts had wires just a bit too short
> when the dude butchered them to get his aftermarket radio installed and
> left the hook ups … Anyway, I made it better.
>
> When I went to install, the wires do not match the diagram.  I followed
> the diagram as well as the wires that were originally attached to the
> connectors.  Thankfully I have bundles of spare wires galore so I could
> rebuild a harness.  The SD (Allen) does not have the same coloration of
> wires?  What the heck do I connect to?
>
> The antenna/accessory wire is blue on both ends. The red wire is not in
> the dash, nor is there a grey/purple.  I have a to pairs of wires.  One
> brown and blue wires, the other black and brown.  There is no anti theft
> wire, which leaves me unsure how to deal with that.
>
> I am so depressed.
>
> clay
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator -- Clay's issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

I don't remember for sure on a 126.  It may have room, and maybe it is 
124 where there is not enough room.  I know some times I have to use a 
box wrench.  It has been quite a few years since I had one go bad.  For 
a while I was working on 126 windows a lot.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 9:53 AM
Maybe, I forget exactly, it has been awhile since I took one out but I 
vaguely recall being able to get a socket in there.  If not a 
ratcheting bone wrench will work OK.


--FT




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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Jim Cathey via Mercedes]

>
> It cleaned and polished (and was a dessert topping too!) at the same
> time.  Left a bit of a waxy sort of coating...


Don't you mean "left a bit of a shimmer..."  :-)

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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator -- Clay's issue

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Maybe, I forget exactly, it has been awhile since I took one out but I 
vaguely recall being able to get a socket in there.  If not a ratcheting 
bone wrench will work OK.


--FT


On 3/28/17 10:47 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
10 mm but probably not a socket. At least not for all.   Not enough 
space. box wrench.  Get the toughest one out first.  Leave the easiest 
one for last.  that way you can turn out the toughest by hand once it 
is loose.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 9:39 AM
Exactly, you can feel the screws you have to remove but it helps to 
have one to refer to as it is kinda tight in there but not that hard 
to get them off.  Then the motor can pop out and you should be able 
to move the regulator/window by hand.  10mm socket?


--FT



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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator -- Clay's issue

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

10 mm but probably not a socket. At least not for all.   Not enough 
space. box wrench.  Get the toughest one out first.  Leave the easiest 
one for last.  that way you can turn out the toughest by hand once it is 
loose.



Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 9:39 AM
Exactly, you can feel the screws you have to remove but it helps to 
have one to refer to as it is kinda tight in there but not that hard 
to get them off.  Then the motor can pop out and you should be able to 
move the regulator/window by hand.  10mm socket?


--FT



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Re: [MBZ] A couple for Rich ...

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

That's a total crack price on the laser.  I could get a decent chinee 
unit 100-130W for half that, landed at the port here.  35W is marginal.


--FT


On 3/27/17 10:56 PM, Craig via Mercedes wrote:

https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/hvo/6031998287.html
TORCHMATE CNC PLASMA


https://albuquerque.craigslist.org/hvo/6030922218.html
Laser Engraver FX3


Craig

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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator -- Clay's issue

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Exactly, you can feel the screws you have to remove but it helps to have 
one to refer to as it is kinda tight in there but not that hard to get 
them off.  Then the motor can pop out and you should be able to move the 
regulator/window by hand.  10mm socket?


--FT


On 3/28/17 8:02 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
in that case, you have to unbolt the motor from the regulator. (mostly 
blind, by feel)  a light and mirror can help you visualize what you 
are up against, but are not much good for the actual bolt removal.



clay via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 12:47 AM
I have given up the fight on trying to get the regulator out of the 
passenger side of Allen. The motor does not spin up, so the window is 
not lowering, which would make it all simple to remove. I think the 
motor froze, as when power is applied, there is a click or grunt but 
no motion.


clay



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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Coupla things -- stripped gears, you will see.  Those little plastic 
sliders have broken, they are "riveted" in.  The driven gear arm has 
popped a rivet (I had this on the TD at one time and repaired with like 
a 5mm nut/bolt ground down a bit to fit in the area where the rivet was, 
to get clearance).  I'm guessing #2 or #3.


--FT


On 3/28/17 8:22 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I meant they were different in the way they were constructed.  I understand the 
stripped rack teeth thing.  Not so much like the “scissor” arrangement like the 
ones used on the fronts.

I’m going to tear into the door today and see what I find.  The window is all 
the way up and firmly in position, so I’m not sure if someone jammed something 
in there to hold it or if the teeth might be chewed off at the end of the 
travel.  I’ll try moving the window by hand, as that will probably be the 
giveaway.

-D

  

On Mar 27, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes  
wrote:

http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/112258820852?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true

See photos.  motor, stamped rack gear.  Left rear.


Dan--- via Mercedes 
March 27, 2017 at 8:33 PM
Rear window, not front. Rears are different.

-D


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petty,
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Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the 
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

2 fans at the bottom of the picture.   Double Deutz.


Craig via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 9:17 AM
On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:24:35 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes

It's not quite clear from the picture (attached) how the engine is cooled.

The engine compartment is very clean, though.


Craig



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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Me too.  I must confess I had some impure thoughts in that regard.  Both 
points as you mention.


--FT


On 3/28/17 10:17 AM, MG via Mercedes wrote:
I must be in love with curves. That just looks cool. Bad thing is I 
would want to drive it all the time. 


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Re: [MBZ] Headlights and Deet.

[Floyd Thursby via Mercedes]

Ages ago when I was a ramp rat the local FBO we used some stuff called 
"MirrorGlaze" on the plexi windows on airplanes.  It cleaned and 
polished (and was a dessert topping too!) at the same time.  Left a bit 
of a waxy sort of coating that made it easier to get bugs off.  It 
smelled vaguely like Pledge (original formula).


--R


On 3/27/17 9:03 PM, OK Don via Mercedes wrote:

I use Pledge to clean the bugs off the propeller and wing leading edges on
the Cessna, and the inside of the windows/windshield. Water and a special
UV barrier cleaner get used on the outside of the windows and windshield
(all Plexiglas).

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 3:38 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


I always used Pledge to clean the visor on my helmet and the windshield on
my motorcycle.
Softened and removed the bugs without scratching the plastic.
Smelled good too as a bonus.

RB


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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Fred Moir via Mercedes]

Two fans at the bottom of the picture.


Fred Moir.
Lynn MA.
Diesel preferred.



From: Mercedes  on behalf of Craig via Mercedes 

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Subject: Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:24:35 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:
>
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/

It's not quite clear from the picture (attached) how the engine is cooled.

The engine compartment is very clean, though.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 09:17:41 -0500 MG via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I must be in love with curves. That just looks cool. Bad thing is 
> I would want to drive it all the time.

Why is that bad?


> Looks almost like it has an oil bath air cleaner.

It does, doesn't it?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Craig via Mercedes]

On Tue, 28 Mar 2017 08:24:35 -0400 Dan Penoff via Mercedes
 wrote:

> I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:
> 
> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/

It's not quite clear from the picture (attached) how the engine is cooled.

The engine compartment is very clean, though.


Craig
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

Nahh, I know who he is.  Retired Delta pilot who lives in Ft. Myers.  Doesn’t 
like to do major tinker stuff, would rather pay someone to do it.  Asked if I 
would be willing as a part of the deal, as he hasn’t found a local indie for 
something like this yet.

Wants the car for a toy.  Has a brand new Audi or something like it for a daily 
driver.

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 9:59 AM, Andrew Strasfogel  wrote:
> 
> A buyer like that is sure to try and bargain with you again after you make 
> the repairs.
> 
> On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
> mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> No, I just meant they were physically different.  I don’t think I ever had to 
> change a rear regulator, which is why I remarked about it.  I figured they 
> were more or less the same front and back.  I’ve done the later ones with the 
> cable.  Those are weird.
> 
> I’m working from home today, so I’ll probably take a stab at pulling the door 
> panel off during lunch to see what’s up.
> 
> I’ve got a buyer for the 300SEL who wants to pay me to address some of the 
> little stuff before they take delivery.  The window is one of the issues as 
> is the fuel door vacuum actuator.  They also asked if I would put a new set 
> of injectors in it, too.
> 
> -D
> 
> 
> > On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
> > mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, sorry! I thought you meant the operation was different.  Yes, front and 
> > rear are always different, at least since the 60s.  The 124 and newer with 
> > the cable rear are way different.
> >
> > On the 123, 126 and earlier, the MBs have curved rack and pinion front and 
> > rear, and the removal/problems are similar.  It sounds like Clay has a dead 
> > motor.  It seems you have a good motor and a regulator some way 
> > disconnected from the regulator or regulator disconnected from the glass.  
> > Usually you can hear the regulator going up and down if the slide ifs 
> > broken or disconnected.
> >
> > The easiest rear fix I had was on the rusty SDL.  The rivet that holds the 
> > slide had popped out.  The air hammer and a bfh solved that pretty quick.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

You'll be the talk of the subdivision when you cruise down the cul de sac
in your shiny new Tatra.

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 10:17 AM, MG via Mercedes 
wrote:

> I must be in love with curves. That just looks cool. Bad thing is I would
> want to drive it all the time.
>
> Looks almost like it has an oil bath air cleaner.
>
>
> Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:
>
>> I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:
>>
>> http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/
>>
>> -D
>>
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

A buyer like that is sure to try and bargain with you again after you make
the repairs.

On Tue, Mar 28, 2017 at 9:00 AM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> No, I just meant they were physically different.  I don’t think I ever had
> to change a rear regulator, which is why I remarked about it.  I figured
> they were more or less the same front and back.  I’ve done the later ones
> with the cable.  Those are weird.
>
> I’m working from home today, so I’ll probably take a stab at pulling the
> door panel off during lunch to see what’s up.
>
> I’ve got a buyer for the 300SEL who wants to pay me to address some of the
> little stuff before they take delivery.  The window is one of the issues as
> is the fuel door vacuum actuator.  They also asked if I would put a new set
> of injectors in it, too.
>
> -D
>
>
> > On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > Oh, sorry! I thought you meant the operation was different.  Yes, front
> and rear are always different, at least since the 60s.  The 124 and newer
> with the cable rear are way different.
> >
> > On the 123, 126 and earlier, the MBs have curved rack and pinion front
> and rear, and the removal/problems are similar.  It sounds like Clay has a
> dead motor.  It seems you have a good motor and a regulator some way
> disconnected from the regulator or regulator disconnected from the glass.
> Usually you can hear the regulator going up and down if the slide ifs
> broken or disconnected.
> >
> > The easiest rear fix I had was on the rusty SDL.  The rivet that holds
> the slide had popped out.  The air hammer and a bfh solved that pretty
> quick.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] I am only axing $1000 FIRM

[Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes]

Wouldn't it be funny if several of us showed up on the guy's driveway.
Seller could hold an auction but it would have to proceed in increments of
$1.00..

On Mon, Mar 27, 2017 at 11:11 PM, archer75--- via Mercedes <
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>
> > > >> If I knew where he lived I might do that.  Tried to call a
> coupla
> > > >> times got told the same.  hard to sell a car when you don't have
> > > >> your phone working.
> > > >>
> > > >> --FT
> ~~~
> Stop a county or city cop and show him a printout of the ad.
> If he has good software, he can pull up all cars of that make and model
> licensed by the state along with pertinent info. The address should tell
> you where to look first and the cop might even have good suggestions.
> Shouldn't be too many of those cars around.
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Re: [MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[MG via Mercedes]

I must be in love with curves. That just looks cool. Bad thing is 
I would want to drive it all the time.


Looks almost like it has an oil bath air cleaner.

Dan Penoff via Mercedes wrote:

I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/

-D



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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

No, I just meant they were physically different.  I don’t think I ever had to 
change a rear regulator, which is why I remarked about it.  I figured they were 
more or less the same front and back.  I’ve done the later ones with the cable. 
 Those are weird.

I’m working from home today, so I’ll probably take a stab at pulling the door 
panel off during lunch to see what’s up.

I’ve got a buyer for the 300SEL who wants to pay me to address some of the 
little stuff before they take delivery.  The window is one of the issues as is 
the fuel door vacuum actuator.  They also asked if I would put a new set of 
injectors in it, too.

-D


> On Mar 28, 2017, at 8:51 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Oh, sorry! I thought you meant the operation was different.  Yes, front and 
> rear are always different, at least since the 60s.  The 124 and newer with 
> the cable rear are way different.
> 
> On the 123, 126 and earlier, the MBs have curved rack and pinion front and 
> rear, and the removal/problems are similar.  It sounds like Clay has a dead 
> motor.  It seems you have a good motor and a regulator some way disconnected 
> from the regulator or regulator disconnected from the glass.  Usually you can 
> hear the regulator going up and down if the slide ifs broken or disconnected.
> 
> The easiest rear fix I had was on the rusty SDL.  The rivet that holds the 
> slide had popped out.  The air hammer and a bfh solved that pretty quick.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] Anybody rebuild the sls pump?

[MG via Mercedes]

That is the valve in the back. I have rebuilt the one in my TD 
and it has been working fine for over 5 years now. The big thing 
to remember, if you can find a kit, is you need to indelibly mark 
the position of the arm that connects to the link from the sway 
bar on the shaft going into the pump. You can figure out where it 
should be positioned from the manual diagrams but it's a royal 
pain and if you are in any way mechanically/ spatially challenged 
in the slightest then you may never get it where it should be. 
The factory almost certainly had jigs to set this. Don't ask.


The kit from Mercedes is 000-586-00-32 and shows as available for 
$40-$50 depending on how good a relationship you have with your 
parts man.


Manfred
Not mechanically or spatially challenged, just lazy and I'll deny 
I ever reveled this.


Karl Wittnebel via Mercedes wrote:

85 tdt settles after shutting it off. Is that the pump, or the little valve
in back? I put the better looking guts of the two pumps I had back into the
head when it went on, so thought maybe the pump needing attention.

Thanks.
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

Oh, sorry! I thought you meant the operation was different.  Yes, front 
and rear are always different, at least since the 60s.  The 124 and 
newer with the cable rear are way different.


On the 123, 126 and earlier, the MBs have curved rack and pinion front 
and rear, and the removal/problems are similar.  It sounds like Clay has 
a dead motor.  It seems you have a good motor and a regulator some way 
disconnected from the regulator or regulator disconnected from the 
glass.  Usually you can hear the regulator going up and down if the 
slide ifs broken or disconnected.


The easiest rear fix I had was on the rusty SDL.  The rivet that holds 
the slide had popped out.  The air hammer and a bfh solved that pretty 
quick.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 7:22 AM
I meant they were different in the way they were constructed. I 
understand the stripped rack teeth thing. Not so much like the 
“scissor” arrangement like the ones used on the fronts.


I’m going to tear into the door today and see what I find. The window 
is all the way up and firmly in position, so I’m not sure if someone 
jammed something in there to hold it or if the teeth might be chewed 
off at the end of the travel. I’ll try moving the window by hand, as 
that will probably be the giveaway.


-D




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Curley McLain 
March 27, 2017 at 8:58 PM
http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/112258820852?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true

See photos.  motor, stamped rack gear.  Left rear.


Dan--- via Mercedes 
March 27, 2017 at 8:33 PM
Rear window, not front. Rears are different.

-D

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Curley McLain 
March 27, 2017 at 7:56 PM
Late front ones are stamped steel, and the teeth wear/break off.  
Car-part.com for a good used regulator and motor.


I put cast gear regulator in the driver door of one SDL.  It was from 
a gen I 126.  You have to swap the motor and regulator together.  
different sprockets on the motor.


My guess is you have a stamped one, and it has the teeth gone.

I've only had slide/rivet problems on the rear.

with the door open, try pushing down the glass while your assistant 
switches the window down (or up, in  case some monkey reversed the 
wires.)  If the window works except clear up, then it is the gear rack.



Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
March 27, 2017 at 7:26 PM
Looking into the last of the issues on the 300SEL, I knew the PO said 
one of the back windows didn’t work, but that was a minor thing I 
haven’t paid any attention to.


I checked it out tonight and found the left rear window doesn’t work. 
I can hear the motor in both directions, but no movement of the glass. 
I looked a the regulators on some of the parts sites and the rear 
window regulators look very different than the ones I’ve been used to 
seeing. Is there something about these that is prone to failure, or 
that I should expect to find when I crack open the door panel? Sliding 
jaw issues? Mechanical problems?


They look a lot simpler than the regulators on the front doors.

-D
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[MBZ] This is Strangely Cool

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I don’t know why, but I’m fascinated by the air cooled V8:

http://bringatrailer.com/listing/1969-tatra-603/

-D



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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[Dan Penoff via Mercedes]

I meant they were different in the way they were constructed.  I understand the 
stripped rack teeth thing.  Not so much like the “scissor” arrangement like the 
ones used on the fronts.

I’m going to tear into the door today and see what I find.  The window is all 
the way up and firmly in position, so I’m not sure if someone jammed something 
in there to hold it or if the teeth might be chewed off at the end of the 
travel.  I’ll try moving the window by hand, as that will probably be the 
giveaway.

-D

 
> On Mar 27, 2017, at 9:58 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/like/112258820852?lpid=82&chn=ps&ul_noapp=true
> 
> See photos.  motor, stamped rack gear.  Left rear.
> 
>> Dan--- via Mercedes 
>> March 27, 2017 at 8:33 PM
>> Rear window, not front. Rears are different.
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

[Curley McLain via Mercedes]

in that case, you have to unbolt the motor from the regulator.  (mostly 
blind, by feel)  a light and mirror can help you visualize what you are 
up against, but are not much good for the actual bolt removal.



clay via Mercedes 
March 28, 2017 at 12:47 AM
I have given up the fight on trying to get the regulator out of the 
passenger side of Allen. The motor does not spin up, so the window is 
not lowering, which would make it all simple to remove. I think the 
motor froze, as when power is applied, there is a click or grunt but 
no motion.


clay



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Re: [MBZ] W126 Rear Window Regulator

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Have you lubricated all moving parts as well as the motor bearings if 
accessible? Have you tried Deoxit and WD40 and Rusteater (from Autozone) and 
all the lesser known lubricants that work for other DIYers?
Have you wiggled and pushed on all the mechanical stuff after each lubricant?
Have you lubricated the the tracks with silicone grease very, very, lightly?
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> I have given up the fight on trying to get the regulator out of the passenger 
> side of Allen.  The motor does not spin up, so the window is not lowering, 
> which would make it all simple to remove.  I think the motor froze, as when 
> power is applied, there is a click or grunt but no motion.
> 
> clay
> 
> 
> > On Mar 27, 2017, at 7:31 PM, Peter Frederick via Mercedes 
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > They are also prone to having the clip that holds the scissor into the 
> > window bottom rail break.  Usually causes the window to drop, but they can 
> > get stuck fully up.  Rack moves but is no longer attached to the window.
> > 
> > Obvious when you remove the door panel.
> > 
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