date:20200313

I'm in.  Whatever resources they have left after Mr. Sandman takes them 
to the cleaners should be forfeited over this scam which is creating 
monumental losses.   I am not sure if 100B is the right amount, but that 
can be determined by Lin Wood and his team.  Each fearmonger has to be 
sued individually by a class.


Craig,   The article about waiting for a coming danger is good.   We've 
been here before,  At least once every year since 1999.   But this time 
it is different.   When the boy cried "wolf" the mediaocrats hyped the 
danger to a point we've never seen before.   Far beyond what we have 
seen before!   This will go into the history books as the greatest 
fearmongering ever.  Before 1999, there was the "oil Crisis" then the 
"TP crisis," (one I forgot) then the "second oil crisis", and so forth. 
Each time the mediaocrats tested their ability to herd sheeple around, 
then to do their bidding.  Isn't that slavery, or bondage, or (pick a 
synonym)?


That "TP crisis" of the 70s was created when the big paper companies saw 
how successful the oil companies were to create a "shortage" and then 
double prices.   Oh yes, please compare the price of peanuts in America 
before 1976, when we elected a peanut farmer, and again in 1980.   In 
between, there was a "peanut shortage."   Remember that one?    I've 
forgotten most of them.


We will survive, but we have to quit getting sucked in by these 
scammers.   Making it economically infeasible for them to run the scam 
is the best way to stop it.


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 2:33 PM:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:26:50 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:


yeah, and it looks like we will all take a hit from bailing out cruise
lines, airlines, boeing et al.

Can we sue the mediacrats who created the hysteria to recover?

I was thinking the same thing.

How about a $100 billion class action suit?


Craig

P.S. I have found
  https://www.ccef.org/anxiety-waiting-and-the-coronavirus/
  encouraging.




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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Scott Ritchey via Mercedes

OK, but how does COVIF-19 compare (medical risk, media coverage, and the public 
reaction) with Swine Flu, for example.  And why do you think it's different?

> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
> Peter Frederick via Mercedes
> Sent: Friday, March 13, 2020 7:26 AM
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> Cc: Peter Frederick 
> Subject: Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction
> 
> I'm far more worried about the part of the "press" that turns science into
> conspiracy theories.  Every major societal issue is not a conspiracy to remove
> Trump from office -- and you should be VERY careful of what you choose to
> believe from anyone who finds a secret conspiracy in every single news event.
> Significant sign of metal illness as far as I'm concerned..
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[MBZ] Oily film in the air filter pan

2020-03-13 Thread Euan Kennedy via Mercedes

Gentlemen, and others

Hello again from the Antipodes. It’s been a while. 

I’m on a mission to get my 300TD engine clattering like new again. 

Tell me, should I expect to find a film of oil on the floor of my air filter 
canister? It’s not a pond, only a film. And it’s confined to the inner 
circumference of the filter. Is this normal?

While in the canister, can an OEM air filter be washed to remove debris and 
dust? My filter has done only 25,000 miles but it looks a bit cruddy. 

Cheers

Euan

W123 1985 300TD 5-spd manual
223K miles





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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

Stupid question. Is the fan clutch working?
You would be amazed at the difference a working vs. non-working fan clutch can 
make. Most folks think that above 30 mph, the fan has no impact, but I can tell 
you with first hand experience, that is not true. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

Download what you need here. 

http://w124-zone.com/downloads/MB%20CD/W124/Index/602_603index.html

I cannot find the auxiliary fan diagram though. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: We Will Survive

Broadway has shut down.  Conventions and hotels are going empty.  If you want 
to see a motion picture, you will have to slog through B movies instead of 
possible blockbusters.

clay

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 9:26 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> yeah, and it looks like we will all take a hit from bailing out cruise lines, 
> airlines, boeing et al.
> 
> Can we sue the mediacrats who created the hysteria to recover?
> 
> NBA, NHL, NCAA. No loss as long as no tax dollars are used to line their 
> pockets.


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

The runs is one of the symptoms according to BBC report of what to watch for so 
you should self isolate.

clay


> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:55 AM, Allan Streib via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't go to Walmart much but was at the supermarket last night. Other
> than a few items like hand sanitizer, stock levels were pretty
> normal. Plenty of produce, meats, and canned/boxed food.
> 
> Whoever makes Clorox, Lysol, Purell and those types of products must be
> having a banner sales quarter.
> 
> I don't understand the hoarding of toilet paper. I have not heard that
> this virus really causes gastric upset.
> 
> Allan

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

I went to Costco Thursday evening, hardly anyone there. Filled up the $600E320 
(Benz content) with premium at lowest price in quite awhile, 26.2mpg

Went in and bought fruit and a few other items. Went right to a self checkout. 
In and out in short order. Checked for TP, none, but everything else was there. 
People were buying paper towels (ouch).

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Dan Penoff via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of 
> things we needed.
> 
> OMG.
> 
> You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was absolute 
> insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the pharmacy 
> to get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other lines 
> snaked back halfway across the store.
> 
> I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a 1/4 
> tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow when 
> I go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.
> 
> -D
> 
>> On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
>> frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
>> 
>> Curt
>> 
>> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via 
>> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   How 
>> much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
>> 
>> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
>> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
>> weeks if the need should arise.
>> 
>> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
>> turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
>> a much longer period of time?
>> 
>> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
>> issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
>> 
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[MBZ] OT: Mediaocrats "never let a good panic go to waste"

Americans are once again under attack by the mediaocrats who want to 
disarm, then subjugate all Americans.
BTW, a friend who works at a dicks in Houston area said he sold 18 guns 
today, and that the mediaocrat induced panic has people scared that they 
will have to defend themselves.  Now that the TP is gone, they are 
moving into clean out the dicks stores.


Quoted text:  "As uncertainty about the COVID-19 outbreak continues to 
swirl, it is clear that anti-gun extremists and elected officials will 
use fear of the unknown to advance their agenda to undermine our 
firearms freedom.  Not surprisingly, it didn’t take them long to try and 
quietly pass and implement gun control schemes while Americans 
are focused on ensuring the health, safety and welfare of themselves and 
their families.  


Today,an ordinance has passed in Champaign, IL 
, 
to empower the mayor to “[o]rder the discontinuance of selling, 
distributing, dispensing or giving away of … firearms or ammunition of 
any character whatsoever.”


The ordinance in Champaign serves as a warning bell to law-abiding gun 
owners nationwide.  We must be on high alert for any attempts to destroy 
the Second Amendment in jurisdictions throughout the country.


We don’t have to guess that when emotions are running high, some 
politicians will exploit the situation to overstep their bounds. We know 
this.  We’ve seen it time and time again, including in New Orleans 
 
after Hurricane Katrina, more recently in the U.S. Virgin Islands 
, 
and even in a North Carolina city 
 
in the face of unusually harsh winter weather. This is hardly an 
exhaustive list of such abuses.


This is exactly why the NRA has supported legislation to prevent 
government officials from using their “emergency powers” as a pretext 
for disarming the citizenry.


In 2006, then-Congressman Bobby Jindal (R-LA) led the fight to protect 
America’s gun owners against these abuses by introducing H.R. 5013 in 
the House, a final version of which was signed by President George W. 
Bush in October of that year. Now codified at 42 
U.S.C. § 5207 
, the law prohibits 
persons acting under color of federal law, receiving federal funds, or 
acting at the direction of a federal employee from seizing or 
authorizing the seizure of lawfully-possessed firearms during a state of 
emergency.


The majority of U.S. states now have similar laws to prevent state and 
local officials from using the exercise of their “emergency powers” as a 
pretext to infringe the right to keep and bear arms. And even in the 
absence of such laws, the Second Amendment still applies by its own force.


That’s why we are asking gun owners to be alert to any attempt to 
leverage the fear and uncertainty around the COVID-19 outbreak to assail 
Second Amendment rights. If you learn of any such attempt, please 
contact us immediately at nra.org 
, ila-cont...@nrahq.org 
, or (800) 392-8683. If possible, please 
include a link or reference to the proposed bill or rule in question.


We will continue to monitor the situation in Champaign, as well as the 
rest of the nation and alert our members accordingly.


Now, more than ever, it is essential for Americans to work together to 
successfully resolve the current crisis that faces the country.  Every 
person can play a part by keeping a cool head, staying informed with 
reliable sources of information, and following directives in your 
locality about hygiene and social distancing."


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

The panty and larder are getting a bit bare, but there is still probably enough 
to feed two people for a couple weeks with items on the shelves.  Fridge is 
storing mostly condiments, as fresh food rots quickly.  I last did shopping two 
weeks ago.  Baked a loaf of bread yesterday to last the week.  Far too much 
fish in the freezer from last summer.

I will do fine.  SWMBA will go shopping in the morning and return with poo 
paper.

clay

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:17 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> 
> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of weeks if 
> the need should arise.
> 
> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could turn 
> into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for a much 
> longer period of time?
> 
> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the issue of 
> things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> 

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Re: [MBZ] Expensive lemon on BAT

The second generation  toyota celica hatchback reminded me of the Citroens

clay

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:51 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 13/03/2020 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> '73 Citroen currently at $37.5k.  Only the French can dream up such a
>> design.
>> 
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-citroen-sm-20/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-13
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> 
> Don't think I agree with you. I know a fellow who had one back when they were 
> new. He says it was an amazing car.
> 
> I would say the styling was away ahead of its time. It looks like Toyota 
> copied it to make the Prius.
> 
> I don't think I want one, but that does not make it a bad car. It is unique.
> 


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

I did notice at the end of February the Fairbanks Costco was pretty low on 
toilet paper.  Not at all like the weekend crowds of Anchorage shoppers, who 
are ALL OVER the place nearly crashing trolleys into each other and stacked 
high and deep at the check out.

I am no longer going to frequent the Costco because they are no longer 
providing samples.  How am I to have a meal while shopping if there are no 
little kiosks of hard working people cooking  up odd foods and putting them on 
trays for us to patiently await our opportunity for gustatory delight?

clay

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 7:46 AM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My wife 
> was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery stores 
> were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that there were 
> lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
> 
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
> 

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[MBZ] OT: Mexican beer virus from Mayo perspective



In response to the ongoing COVID-19 (coronavirus) outbreak 
internationally and in the U.S., Mayo Clinic remains committed to the 
continued safety of our patients, staff, and community members.


Mayo Clinic’s response to COVID-19 includes activating a 
multidisciplinary team of world experts in infectious diseases and Mayo 
leaders who will continuously monitor the situation, meet with state and 
federal emergency agencies, and oversee prevention and control actions 
taken by Mayo Clinic.


We are also committed to providing you with trusted information on 
COVID-19, including these sources:


 * *Latest updates from Mayo Clinic experts.* Visit Mayo Clinic News
   Network
   

   for a stream of articles updated in real time as circumstances and
   guidance from public health agencies change.

 * *Mayo Clinic’s real-time test for COVID-19.* Mayo Clinic
   Laboratories has developed a test that can detect the SARS-CoV-2
   (the cause of COVID-19) in clinical samples. The test has been fully
   validated, and data will be submitted to the Food and Drug
   Administration for review and emergency use authorization. More
   information is available on the Mayo Clinic News Network
   

   and the Star Tribune
   
.


 * *Advancing a COVID-19 vaccine.* Mayo researchers in infectious
   diseases are making significant progress to address emerging
   pathogens including COVID-19 and related viruses. As one example,
   Mayo experts are developing a vaccine using gene therapy technology
   in a novel potent vaccine platform. The same innovative technology
   can be successfully applied for vaccination against other dangerous
   microorganisms such as influenza, HIV, Ebola, Zika, and /Clostridium
   difficile/. Our active research in emerging pathogens also lays the
   foundation for standard operating processes to address future
   pandemics.

 * *Offering drive-through specimen collection for pre-screened
   patients in Rochester.* Mayo Clinic staff will collect the
   specimens, using appropriate precautions, and send them to the
   Minnesota Department of Health for analysis. This process reduces
   the need for other critically constrained resources. Patients are
   required to have a phone screening first to determine if testing is
   appropriate. More information is available on the Mayo Clinic News
   Network
   
.




Mayo Clinic is currently following CDC guidelines 
 
for patient travel and taking appropriate precautions to delay the 
appointments of visitors from affected areas (those countries deemed 
“Level 3” and “Level 2” in CDC’s risk assessment). Appointment access 
for patients from other areas has not changed, but safety and screening 
procedures have been put in place to identify anyone showing symptoms of 
possible infection.


Your health is our primary concern. As the global leader in health care, 
we are leveraging every resource at our disposal to respond to this 
ever-changing situation. The most vital thing people can do is remain 
informed and follow safety and prevention guidelines.


Together, we will address this challenge, and Mayo Clinic will remain a 
place of hope and healing for our patients.


Thank you for your continued trust in Mayo Clinic,

Evanthia Galanis, M.D.
Executive Dean for Development
Mayo Clinic
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Issac Asimov

Robots of Dawn

Humans get so scared of each other, they sequester themselves, each to his own 
manor, with the robots (amazon? interwebz now?) their only physical contact 
with the world.

I appreciate the poor doctor’s idea.  I might be a bit of a eugenicist, but 
what does not kill us (the human race) will make us stronger.  This virus is 
here to stay.  Better we develop a community/herd immunity among the youngest, 
so when it comes around next year, or the year after, it is less of a hassle.

I doubt there will be much positive action taken from whatever is learned.  All 
manner of preventable illness keep popping up due to lack of attention every 
cruise season, be it Legionaire’s, e. coli, c. dificile, or some other plague.  
This too will join the pestilence we visit upon ourselves.

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:47 PM, OK Don via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I know that this isn't from Fox "news", but it is from the perspective of a
> Dr. in Italy sharing her experiences treating this virus:
> 
> https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/voices/young-and-unafraid-of-the-pandemic-good-for-you-now-stop-killing-people/ar-BB113BXB?li=BBnb7Kz
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

Fuel tank supply pump may still be OK, There is a test port on the VP44
injection pump to read supply pressure from pump. I would start by testing
tank pump supply pressure.
If the VP44 had gasoline run through it.. the pump is galled and can not
make pressure to open injectors [I'm betting] which means, no fuel to
engine.
IF I recall... there is a test port on the fuel rail to check that... at
the dealers..
New VP44 injection pump is in the $3,000 range ouch

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:42 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> but I believe you have to drop the tank to change the pump.   at least
> you have to on GM peekups and grand caravans.   (or you could cut a hole
> in the floor above it.) not a fun job.
>
> Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 8:29 PM:
> > A truck of that year would not have DEF. I think that started around
> 2012 for Ram. Duramax had it in 2011
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

yeah, it was 75 or so today.  I tried out the AC, but either the Klima 
is kaput or the gas is gone.  no cooling.   I did not investigate.   
Trying to get the fan problem figgered out  first.



Thanks for the 83-544.   I'll try to find that.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 8:31 PM:

Procedure 83-544 explains which switch and how to test.

Are you using the AC now?  Shouldn't be a concern unless ambient temps are
pretty high.  I suspect your thermostat.

Another common problem is leaves and dirt collect between the front fan
shroud (lower part) and the front of the condenser, which can cause
increased coolant temperatures.  Push-pins hold the fan shroud in place,
use a putty knife to pry them out.  Not fun but possible with the front
bumper in place, but removing the front bumper is really not hard and won't
take long.
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

but I believe you have to drop the tank to change the pump.   at least 
you have to on GM peekups and grand caravans.   (or you could cut a hole 
in the floor above it.) not a fun job.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 8:29 PM:

A truck of that year would not have DEF. I think that started around 2012 for 
Ram. Duramax had it in 2011





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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

because the problem is not the thermostat.  On this one, the radiator is 
blocked by a shroud, except for where the 2 fans are.  I'm guessing that 
is to keep bugs out of the radiator.   So without the fans running, it 
runs too hot.  when the fans run it is fine.   Larry put a new 
thermostat in it not that long ago.   If I had evidence of a thermostat 
problem I would change it.  so far it is quite clear:  Fans running, no 
overheat.  Fans not running, overheating.   With the sensor on top of 
the engine plugged in, the fans never run.   THat is a problem.   When 
that sensor is unplugged, the fans are intermittent.


If the R134a has leaked out, would the low pressure switch cause the 
fans not to run?   Seems to me that the fans should be independent of 
the a/c, but obviously they are linked at the drier.  Fans should run 
when the A/c is off.


Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 8:22 PM:

Why don't you replace the thermostat?

If you dig into the FSM for the HVAC system, it will have the test
procedures for both low and high cooling fan operation.  Section 83 I
believe.
-
Max
Charleston SC




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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

2006 should be pre-blue pee.   But I think that is common rail.   
Probably has some unhappy nanny, and/or gasoline caused the pump to croak.


G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 7:54 PM:

How new is the truck?  Is it a DEF truck? If it is, it has other sensors
involved in the fuel system which would have potentially been destroyed, if
was driven enough there was a DEF purge cycle started...
If that is the case... tow it to dealer only and have the tow truck
followed by a Brinks truck... to bail out the DEF diesel truck after dealer
gets done replacing the fuel system components.
[sounds like it might have been driven for a while after gas was inserted
into diesel tank which is the "kiss of death" on common rail computer
controlled engine]






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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Mortality is dropping.  Last week it was hanging around 9%.  With more data in 
the mix over the past week, Washington state and its socialist leadership has 
reduced the death rate to a meager 6.5%.  Only 37 dead.  Pretty good.

Then again the number of infirm has doubled in the past week, and 67% of the 
cadavers this has generated were from one facility.  

The county purchased a motel to use as quarantine facility, which has angered a 
few people in that town.  New keystone kops event - A homeless guy checked into 
the holding zone and was awaiting test results.  He got bored, walked out, 
crossed the street to a store, shoplifted a few things, then caught a transit 
bus to parts unknown.  The bus has been detained for cleansing, the store and 
employee are being sanitized, and the infected mook is on the run, spreading 
the whoohoo flu to the unhoused.

Will it become something akin to Chernobyl, where there are large holes dug in 
the ground, the dead are tossed in, then encased in concrete?  Or will the 
highway department just send out folks in hazmat gear with flame throwers to 
clear out underpasses and highway verges?

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 7:00 PM, Curley McLain via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> BTW, I am NOT saying it is not serious.  just trying to separate the facts 
> from the fiction.
> 
> There is a bit of the "boy who cried wolf" effect also and it is real. Since 
> 1999, every year we have had a "Sky is Falling" event every year. So far, the 
> sky is still above, and the sun comes up each day.

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Re: [MBZ] SPAM RE: It’s hard to tell fact from fiction


Hear Here!   Great one Herr Mann.

G Mann via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 5:14 PM:

Yesterday, there was a corona virus related death here, first of it's kind.
A woman was leaving Costco with her car packed full of toilet paper, so
full the passenger side window was blocked. She then pulled in front of a
loaded semi truck.
While injured and unconscious further injuries may have been the cause of
death as those who arrived on the scene may have stomped her to death while
fighting over the newly discovered supply of toilet paper.
Investigation to follow.
[sarcasm off].





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Re: [MBZ] SPAM RE: It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

They are fluid statistics.  They keep changing.   Also much different by 
country, and by time.   As time goes by, the % infected goes up and the 
% of deaths goes down.
Any one without the population of the study defined and the time period 
defined is worthless.    Which, I believe, is Craig's point.


Then there is Mr. Huff's great classic little book, "How to Lie with 
Statistics"


Craig via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 4:40 PM:

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:16:47 -0700 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 wrote:


The FACT is that this COVID is both deadlier and more communicable than
the flu. Stick to the known data and the probable gaps in the data,
such as the unknown denominator which is the total number of
infections. The data seem to show that the fatality rate of COVID is
about 10X that of flu. For the elderly and medically challenged the
fatality rate may be much higher than 10X.

Where does one get the data which demonstrate these conclusions?


Craig




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Re: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!


THAT IS HILAREOUS!    Too bad it is not 80%

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 4:32 PM:

You'll have to prove your membership in the NRA, GOP, or Tea Party when you
go to pick it up.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


*I guess I should order one of these to complete the kit
*


https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-angryjoe-14-ar-14-stripped-lower-receiver-preorder-item-8-10-weeks-delivery.html

*Fire Selector - Left Side:* "WUD HE SAY?" (Safe), "DOGFACED
PONYSOLDIER" (Fire), "FULLA SH!T" (Full-Auto)

*Fire Selector - Right Side: *"MEMORY LOSS" (Safe), "DEMENTIA" (Fire),
"LIBERAL" (Full-Auto)

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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

Chinese: It is amazing what you can do when there are NO EPA, FDA, safety
controls, and human life is conveniently expendable for the communist good,
as dictated by those in power...

"Testing,, we don't need no stinking testing... we try it and that's the
test. We have to many people anyway, so no one will miss a few thousand if
it doesn't work..."

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:17 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Chinese say they have had preliminary success with a combination of an
> anti-malarial drug and drugs that have successfully suppressed AIDS.
> Gerry
> ...
> On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:06:47 + (UTC)
> Max Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:
>
> > Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for
> testing.
> >
> >
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/
> >
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes  >:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> > >
> > >
> > > At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of
> the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President
> Donald Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the
> next year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
> better.”
> > >
> > > But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of
> months, and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit,
> director of the Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of
> Philadelphia, is the co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly
> 26 years to perfect that protection against a disease that, according to
> the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for
> severe diarrhea in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> > >
> > > Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
> months?
> > >
> > > Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested
> in making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple
> months ago. That’s not long.
> > >
> > > [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what
> approach you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model
> testing to make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in
> animals, and that it induces an immune response which would likely be
> protective. Then you gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe,
> and then to make sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time,
> a lot of time, typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it
> into people to see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
> > >
> > > In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola
> outbreak in the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental
> vaccine very quickly.
> > >
> > > I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
> Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks,
> people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> > >
> > > But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
> the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> > >
> > > But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> scratch.
> > >
> > > What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
> will be available?
> > >
> > > I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of]
> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> > >
> > > But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS,
> and now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and
> gone.
> > >
> > > I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
> different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
> And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
> quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
> they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
> virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
> respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
> of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have the
> same mortality rate as flu.
> > >
> > > There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with
> a coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have
> immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s
> encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging
> that it can produce an

Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

BBC had an article this morning about how the Brits are attempting to manage 
the plague so that it is delayed until summer months, so their nationalist 
socialist health care system is better able to cope with it while the kids are 
all home from schools.  Instead of closing down schools now, which will force 
healthcare workers to stay home with the kids while the normal ebb and flow of 
winter and spring ailments are culling the herd.

The idea is to instead of having a sharp and swift peak in the bell curve, then 
resolution, with possible re-occurances in Autumn, that the whoohoo flu will 
slowly build to a minor hump sometime in early July, then very gradually peter 
out over an extended period into the deep fall.

 “The best laid schemes o’ Mice an’ Men 
Gang aft agley,
An’ lea’e us nought but grief an’ pain,
For promis’d joy!”

Robert Burns, To a Mouse

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Max Dillon via Mercedes  
> wrote:
> 
> I think we're seeing a nasty feedback loop. The media and the democrats (but 
> I repeat myself) are hyping this really hard, trying to drive panic that will 
> cause a recession, and hope that helps their election odds. Trump is 
> over-reacting in order to show that he's doing something, to help his 
> re-election. If both sides would focus on a measured appropriate response, in 
> the best interests of the country, we'd be just fine. Instead they are making 
> a mountain from a mole hill.
> 
> Normal seasonal flu is still more deadly.
> 
> The swine flu killed over a thousand Americans before barry declared an 
> emergency, no panic back then.
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Tell you mormon employers to furnish it, if they expect you to travel.   
Hoarding is part of the religion, so they should be willing to share 
some of their hoard.


Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 3:20 PM:

So before I left for my trip I wanted to buy some hand sanitizer just to play 
it safe. All the stores in my little 1 stoplight town were sold out. People 
that are staying home not going anywhere are hoarding all of this stuff and the 
people like me that are out traveling for work can’t get it.





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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

I was down at the house of mouse August of 2004.  Just in time for Charlie to 
come over from Tampa and STOMP on Orlando overnight.I really enjoyed the 
storm.  Sat out on the condo balcony sucking down beers watching the palm trees 
dance with the power gone.  Next morning SWMBA was taking us all to see the 
mouse.  Forget which park, but by the time we got there around 1000 hrs, the 
damn place was open and they were sweeping up debris and uprighting trees and 
things.  The rest of the town resembled Puerto Rico or Bahamas for the next 
week.  Lower attendance figures at the parks, so we must have hit at least 
three attractions within three days.

Now the LGBTQRSTWXYZ parades will have to be called off that were on the 
schedules

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:59 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Never been there. Maybe it will be a ghost town around there. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

It is full hysteria mode now.

Colleges are closing down campus and telling the kids to go home or at least 
get off campus.  Any classes will be conducted online.  Local (AK) k-12 was 
supposed to be on spring break, but have extended it by at least a week to 
allow teachers to gin up some manner of online classes while the custodial 
staff is swabbing down schools as quickly as possible.  Would be better off 
with DDT in the hallways.. but nobody asked me.  There is the possibility 
schools remain closed for the term depending upon how widely hysteria takes 
hold.  So far only one truly infected person on the ground.  Member of the 
flight crew of a “foreign” air cargo transport.  Full contagion actions taken 
to sequester the offender.

SWMBA has had all her travel rescinded for the next six weeks if not longer.  
Out of an abundance of caution all the conferences and other meetings were 
canceled outright, so no travel to worry about.  Her office purchased two of 
the jumbo cases of 90% alcohol dispensers and each desk has a half gallon 
container.  She flew in to ANC in the early hours of this morning 0210 with a 
737 packed to the gills with travelers out of SEA (connections more than 
likely).  Her flight out of RNO to SEA had been fully booked as of Tuesday, but 
was minus 43 passengers flying out Thursday.  The oil fields have their own 
charter flights, but now have “health screening” for workers boarding.

As for me, the youngest child is going to be flying up from PDX at the end of 
next week for spring break from university.  Campus has closed down classes and 
food service gathering spots, so any meals will have to be delivered to the 
dorms for pick up at the front door.  Grub hub and Pizza delivery are getting a 
work out.   School administration has suggested the kids not return to campus 
and remain home with parents or other guardians and complete online instruction.

I just got off the phone with my 90 year old mother.  She is self isolating, 
but running out of food and is on a restricted diet.  She tells me there was a 
fatality in her town, her geriatric group is disbanded, the olde folkes homes 
are hermetically sealing up, but the weather has been nice and she spent two 
days this week playing in her garden.  Pissed off that she voted for a Dem in 
the primary and that evening the candidate dropped out.

SO, I have going to be stuck with an unemployed college child, in a town with 
diminishing employment opportunities, who will be trying to surf the web and 
attempt to keep up with online lectures on a dead slow DSL connection that on a 
good day will get 1.1mbps.  Extended learning term for the Olde Phartes is 
supposed to begin April 1, but most of the venues have been declared no go 
zones for the aged and infirm.  The drop in oil prices has yet to translate 
into reduced cost at the pump, because AK oil is shipped south to WA 
refineries, which are headed for nationalization by the socialist governor, 
then shipped back up for use on the road or as JetA.

My $0.02 would be to allow the forest to burn itself out, which it will, given 
time.  All this hand wringing will not have a discernible impact other than to 
crater things that would be better left chugging along.  

clay

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 4:42 PM, Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
> been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or 
> proportion?
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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Re: [MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

Procedure 83-544 explains which switch and how to test.

Are you using the AC now?  Shouldn't be a concern unless ambient temps are
pretty high.  I suspect your thermostat.

Another common problem is leaves and dirt collect between the front fan
shroud (lower part) and the front of the condenser, which can cause
increased coolant temperatures.  Push-pins hold the fan shroud in place,
use a putty knife to pry them out.  Not fun but possible with the front
bumper in place, but removing the front bumper is really not hard and won't
take long.
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:30 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Ahha!  answered before I asked!   Thanks Rick.   i'll try jumping the
> terminals on the drier. Just have to determine which are the pressure
> switch and which are for the fan.
>
> Max, did you have a schematic for this?   91 300D 2.5
>
>
> Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 12:56 PM:
> > That sounds backwards. In my 190e there are two switches, a red one on
> the ac drier, and one on the head. The fans run slow with the AC on, then
> go on high when the engine temp hit 100c. There is a resistor hack to make
> the fans go on high a bit earlier.
> >
> > Rick
> >
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

2020-03-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

A truck of that year would not have DEF. I think that started around 2012 for 
Ram. Duramax had it in 2011 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 8:28 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> 2006 in the subject line. A VW of that vintage wouldn't have DEF which 
> doesn't have anything to do with the fuel system anyway.
> I do think if they ran it for any amount of time on gas the lift pump has 
> probably croaked. If it's electric it's probably relatively easy to replace. 
> Apply power directly, if it won't chooch then swap it.
> 
> Curt
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
> wrote:   How new is the truck?  Is it a DEF truck? If it is, it has other 
> sensors
> involved in the fuel system which would have potentially been destroyed, if
> was driven enough there was a DEF purge cycle started...
> If that is the case... tow it to dealer only and have the tow truck
> followed by a Brinks truck... to bail out the DEF diesel truck after dealer
> gets done replacing the fuel system components.
> [sounds like it might have been driven for a while after gas was inserted
> into diesel tank which is the "kiss of death" on common rail computer
> controlled engine]
> 
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> This is the pickup truck my neighbor has that got gasoline run in it last
>> week.
>> 
>> He’s drained the fuel tank with a pump and refilled it with about 10
>> gallons of fresh diesel. He replaced the fuel filter.
>> 
>> It’s got a lift pump in the fuel tank that should run when the key is
>> turned on. There is some sort of delay function on the lift pump that will
>> allow it to run 25 seconds if not cranked, then for 2 seconds with the key
>> on after being cranked if I understand the logic.
>> 
>> Doesn’t seem like he’s getting any action out of the lift pump. Doesn’t
>> appear to be a relay involved, just something called a TIPM, which appears
>> to be an ECU of some kind with relays embedded in it and other goodies.
>> 
>> Anyone familiar with this fuel system have any suggestions?
>> 
>> At this point it looks like he needs to determine if the lift pump has
>> puked. No codes being thrown, either.
>> 
>> Thanks!
>> 
>> -D
>> 
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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

2006 in the subject line. A VW of that vintage wouldn't have DEF which doesn't 
have anything to do with the fuel system anyway.
I do think if they ran it for any amount of time on gas the lift pump has 
probably croaked. If it's electric it's probably relatively easy to replace. 
Apply power directly, if it won't chooch then swap it.

Curt
Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 

  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:55 PM, G Mann via Mercedes 
wrote:   How new is the truck?  Is it a DEF truck? If it is, it has other 
sensors
involved in the fuel system which would have potentially been destroyed, if
was driven enough there was a DEF purge cycle started...
If that is the case... tow it to dealer only and have the tow truck
followed by a Brinks truck... to bail out the DEF diesel truck after dealer
gets done replacing the fuel system components.
[sounds like it might have been driven for a while after gas was inserted
into diesel tank which is the "kiss of death" on common rail computer
controlled engine]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is the pickup truck my neighbor has that got gasoline run in it last
> week.
>
> He’s drained the fuel tank with a pump and refilled it with about 10
> gallons of fresh diesel. He replaced the fuel filter.
>
> It’s got a lift pump in the fuel tank that should run when the key is
> turned on. There is some sort of delay function on the lift pump that will
> allow it to run 25 seconds if not cranked, then for 2 seconds with the key
> on after being cranked if I understand the logic.
>
> Doesn’t seem like he’s getting any action out of the lift pump. Doesn’t
> appear to be a relay involved, just something called a TIPM, which appears
> to be an ECU of some kind with relays embedded in it and other goodies.
>
> Anyone familiar with this fuel system have any suggestions?
>
> At this point it looks like he needs to determine if the lift pump has
> puked. No codes being thrown, either.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
>
>
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Re: [MBZ] Crab landing

2020-03-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

Those are the most fun - require more focus and skill.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:10 PM Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes <
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> Had to make a crab landing into Tulsa. The beer virus didn’t get me, or at
> least I won’t know for many days.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

Why don't you replace the thermostat?

If you dig into the FSM for the HVAC system, it will have the test
procedures for both low and high cooling fan operation.  Section 83 I
believe.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 8:26 PM Curley McLain via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> I took off this afternoon with all fans a blazing away, and a nice rock
> solid 92º C temp.   Great!   On the way back from a BP session, I saw
> the temp at 105 again.
>
> Got stuck while a bridge opened for a barge.  Shut off the engine.
> Turned the key back on, could not hear the fan running.   After 5 min or
> so, the fans suddenly turned on.  I started the car and the temp came
> down.The fans shut off again, and the temp rose.   Opened the hood
> to be sure the plug contacts were not grounding somewhere..  (not.)
>
> I think in some prior discussion I remember that the )M60x has 2 fan
> switches.  Apparently they are in parallel.   Anyone know if or where
> this other switch could be?
>
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[MBZ] Crab landing

2020-03-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

Had to make a crab landing into Tulsa. The beer virus didn’t get me, or at 
least I won’t know for many days. 

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Re: [MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

How new is the truck?  Is it a DEF truck? If it is, it has other sensors
involved in the fuel system which would have potentially been destroyed, if
was driven enough there was a DEF purge cycle started...
If that is the case... tow it to dealer only and have the tow truck
followed by a Brinks truck... to bail out the DEF diesel truck after dealer
gets done replacing the fuel system components.
[sounds like it might have been driven for a while after gas was inserted
into diesel tank which is the "kiss of death" on common rail computer
controlled engine]

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:28 PM Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> This is the pickup truck my neighbor has that got gasoline run in it last
> week.
>
> He’s drained the fuel tank with a pump and refilled it with about 10
> gallons of fresh diesel. He replaced the fuel filter.
>
> It’s got a lift pump in the fuel tank that should run when the key is
> turned on. There is some sort of delay function on the lift pump that will
> allow it to run 25 seconds if not cranked, then for 2 seconds with the key
> on after being cranked if I understand the logic.
>
> Doesn’t seem like he’s getting any action out of the lift pump. Doesn’t
> appear to be a relay involved, just something called a TIPM, which appears
> to be an ECU of some kind with relays embedded in it and other goodies.
>
> Anyone familiar with this fuel system have any suggestions?
>
> At this point it looks like he needs to determine if the lift pump has
> puked. No codes being thrown, either.
>
> Thanks!
>
> -D
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Re: [MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Corona Virus spray

Actually, it needs to be 140 proof or higher.   Everclear.   Or your 
favorite moonshine.   BTW, moonshine is no longer manufactured int he 
hills.   THey are now hand sanitizer manufacturers.   Strictly legal, 
Sir


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 1:27 PM:




 Forwarded Message 
Subject: Fwd: Corona Virus spray
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:45:23 -0500











    A breakthrough.. spray throat at
    least THREE times a day or more if you
    need itScotch will work just as 
well!






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Re: [MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

Ahha!  answered before I asked!   Thanks Rick.   i'll try jumping the 
terminals on the drier. Just have to determine which are the pressure 
switch and which are for the fan.


Max, did you have a schematic for this?   91 300D 2.5


Rick Knoble via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 12:56 PM:

That sounds backwards. In my 190e there are two switches, a red one on the ac 
drier, and one on the head. The fans run slow with the AC on, then go on high 
when the engine temp hit 100c. There is a resistor hack to make the fans go on 
high a bit earlier.

Rick





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[MBZ] 2006 Dodge Ram w/6.7l Cummins Diesel Question

2020-03-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

This is the pickup truck my neighbor has that got gasoline run in it last week.

He’s drained the fuel tank with a pump and refilled it with about 10 gallons of 
fresh diesel. He replaced the fuel filter.

It’s got a lift pump in the fuel tank that should run when the key is turned 
on. There is some sort of delay function on the lift pump that will allow it to 
run 25 seconds if not cranked, then for 2 seconds with the key on after being 
cranked if I understand the logic.

Doesn’t seem like he’s getting any action out of the lift pump. Doesn’t appear 
to be a relay involved, just something called a TIPM, which appears to be an 
ECU of some kind with relays embedded in it and other goodies.

Anyone familiar with this fuel system have any suggestions?

At this point it looks like he needs to determine if the lift pump has puked. 
No codes being thrown, either.

Thanks!

-D


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[MBZ] OT = On topic 124/OM602 overheating

I took off this afternoon with all fans a blazing away, and a nice rock 
solid 92º C temp.   Great!   On the way back from a BP session, I saw 
the temp at 105 again.


Got stuck while a bridge opened for a barge.  Shut off the engine.  
Turned the key back on, could not hear the fan running.   After 5 min or 
so, the fans suddenly turned on.  I started the car and the temp came 
down.    The fans shut off again, and the temp rose.   Opened the hood 
to be sure the plug contacts were not grounding somewhere..  (not.)


I think in some prior discussion I remember that the )M60x has 2 fan 
switches.  Apparently they are in parallel.   Anyone know if or where 
this other switch could be?


Thanks!

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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

2020-03-13 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes

Chinese say they have had preliminary success with a combination of an 
anti-malarial drug and drugs that have successfully suppressed AIDS.
Gerry 
...
On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:06:47 + (UTC)
Max Dillon via Mercedes  wrote:

> Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for 
> testing.
> 
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/
> 
> 
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
> 
> Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes :
> 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> > 
> > 
> > At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the 
> > National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President Donald 
> > Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next 
> > year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months 
> > better.”
> > 
> > But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months, 
> > and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of the 
> > Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the 
> > co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to perfect 
> > that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for 
> > Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea 
> > in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> > 
> > Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few months?
> > 
> > Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in 
> > making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months 
> > ago. That’s not long.
> > 
> > [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach 
> > you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to 
> > make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and that 
> > it induces an immune response which would likely be protective. Then you 
> > gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make 
> > sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of time, 
> > typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it into people to 
> > see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
> > 
> > In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak in 
> > the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very 
> > quickly.
> > 
> > I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West 
> > Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks, 
> > people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> > 
> > But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola 
> > vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done 
> > the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> > 
> > But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from 
> > scratch.
> > 
> > What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine will 
> > be available?
> > 
> > I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory 
> > infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of] 
> > coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> > 
> > But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and now 
> > this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and gone.
> > 
> > I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s different. 
> > If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick. And it’s 
> > very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then quarantine 
> > those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that they wouldn’t 
> > infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This virus is more 
> > like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by respiratory droplet. 
> > It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set of symptoms as flu. 
> > And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have the same mortality rate 
> > as flu.
> > 
> > There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a 
> > coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have 
> > immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s 
> > encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging 
> > that it can produce an immune response which is protective and which you 
> > should be able to mimic with vaccination.
> > 
> > Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about safety 
> > vs. red tape?
> > 
> > If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are 
> > very, very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure it’s 
> > safe. So you want those

Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread OK Don via Mercedes

We went grocery and gas shopping this afternoon. While the grocery store
was busy, it was not excessively so, and everyone was fine - courteous,
friendly, no panic. The toilet paper shelf was bare, but everything else
was fine.
I was the only one at the gas station. No general panic that I could see.
We are stocked up for at least two months with food - not much more than
usual - the result of shopping sales on frozen foods.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 5:01 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  I had mostly the same experience. I figured at 2pm I'd just pop into the
> grocery for milk and bananas as we were out. It was real busy but
> interestingly I thought people were pretty upbeat and kind to each other.
> Ground meat was totally gone, most of the chicken was too. Lots of beef.
> Pork tenderloin and corned beef are still on sale. We've already got 3 pork
> and one corned beef so I declined to pick up another. Probably should have
> gotten a corned beef, I like corned beef. ;)
> Some people buying TP but not crowds like I saw at the pharmacy yesterday.
> Gas station was very busy but I think thats probably normal for a Friday
> afternoon. People were rude/dumb which I think is also probably normal...
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 13, 2020, 5:20:07 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
>  Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of
> things we needed.
>
> OMG.
>
> You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was
> absolute insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the
> pharmacy to get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other
> lines snaked back halfway across the store.
>
> I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a
> 1/4 tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow
> when I go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.
>
> -D
>
> > On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> > We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose,
> venison, frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
> >
> > Curt
> >
> > Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> >
> >  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via Mercedes<
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:  How much
> food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> >
> > My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we
> > normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of
> > weeks if the need should arise.
> >
> > Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could
> > turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for
> > a much longer period of time?
> >
> > Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the
> > issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> >
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM RE: It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Yesterday, there was a corona virus related death here, first of it's kind.
A woman was leaving Costco with her car packed full of toilet paper, so
full the passenger side window was blocked. She then pulled in front of a
loaded semi truck.
While injured and unconscious further injuries may have been the cause of
death as those who arrived on the scene may have stomped her to death while
fighting over the newly discovered supply of toilet paper.
Investigation to follow.
[sarcasm off].

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 1:17 PM Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> The FACT is that this COVID is both deadlier and more communicable than
> the flu. Stick to the known data and the probable gaps in the data, such as
> the unknown denominator which is the total number of infections. The data
> seem to show that the fatality rate of COVID is about 10X that of flu. For
> the elderly and medically challenged the fatality rate may be much higher
> than 10X.
>
> Assess your risk level and adjust your practices accordingly. The data
> will change as we move along, and practices will need to change to suit.
> Try to control the toilet paper obsession.
>
> The administration is doing a pretty good job. The CDC messed up with
> their restrictive rules on test kits. The bottleneck on that is that the
> reagents necessary to process the tests are sourced from OUTSIDE the US
> (Germany I heard) and are in short supply. Blame globalism.
>
> That the CDC has been pushing to study whether guns are dangerous, but not
> doing too well with their actual mission means that they need better
> supervision, maybe time to clean house with their upper management.
>
> Believe it or not...FEMA has a good program to train people for disaster
> exercises, their MEPP (Master Exercise Practitioner Program). Exercises and
> drills are the best way to determine shortcomings in a system, and what
> training is necessary. The CDC needs to test themselves with frequent
> exercises.
>
> Greg
>
> who ran exercises and drills for DHS between '03 and '08 in Oregon, SW WA,
> and parts of Idaho, many involving public health issues.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb
> Striplin via Mercedes
> Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:43 PM
> To: Mercedes Discussion List
> Cc: Kaleb Striplin
> Subject: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction
>
> With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of
> business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month
> has been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or
> proportion?
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!

 My lantern-guy group text says that .45, 9mm and .223 are now in short supply. 

I've got lots of 12ga, lead and steel, several pounds of black powder and a 
bunch of .54 bullets...
-Cut

On Friday, March 13, 2020, 5:33:47 PM EDT, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 You'll have to prove your membership in the NRA, GOP, or Tea Party when you
go to pick it up.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> *I guess I should order one of these to complete the kit
> *
>
>
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-angryjoe-14-ar-14-stripped-lower-receiver-preorder-item-8-10-weeks-delivery.html
>
> *Fire Selector - Left Side:* "WUD HE SAY?" (Safe), "DOGFACED
> PONYSOLDIER" (Fire), "FULLA SH!T" (Full-Auto)
>
> *Fire Selector - Right Side: *"MEMORY LOSS" (Safe), "DEMENTIA" (Fire),
> "LIBERAL" (Full-Auto)
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/12/20 8:31 AM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:
> > But where’s the fun in that?  Better to build your own Scary Black
> Assault Weapon.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was reading the comments, and saw that they have been cheaper in the
> past.
> >>
> >> Sure enough, watching a little TV last night and there's a PSA
> commercial
> >> for an assembled rifle with a magazine on sale for $479.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:48 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good deal indeed.  I've paid up to $500 for these. The kit still
> requires
> >>> lower receiver.
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>  Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:30 PM
>  To: Mercedes 
>  Cc: Meade Dillon 
>  Subject: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!
> 
>  This is tempting.  Just in case this wu flu virus turns into the
> zombie
>  apocalypse.
> 
>  PSA 16" M4 Carbine kit for $310, marked down from $500, has blemishes
> in
>  finish.
> 
> 
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-
>  nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html
> 
> 
>  -
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

 I had mostly the same experience. I figured at 2pm I'd just pop into the 
grocery for milk and bananas as we were out. It was real busy but interestingly 
I thought people were pretty upbeat and kind to each other. Ground meat was 
totally gone, most of the chicken was too. Lots of beef. Pork tenderloin and 
corned beef are still on sale. We've already got 3 pork and one corned beef so 
I declined to pick up another. Probably should have gotten a corned beef, I 
like corned beef. ;)
Some people buying TP but not crowds like I saw at the pharmacy yesterday.
Gas station was very busy but I think thats probably normal for a Friday 
afternoon. People were rude/dumb which I think is also probably normal...
-Curt

On Friday, March 13, 2020, 5:20:07 PM EDT, Dan Penoff via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of 
things we needed.

OMG.

You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was absolute 
insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the pharmacy to 
get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other lines snaked 
back halfway across the store.

I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a 1/4 
tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow when I 
go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.

-D

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
> frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via 
>Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:  How 
>much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> 
> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
> weeks if the need should arise.
> 
> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
> turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
> a much longer period of time?
> 
> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
> issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] SPAM RE: It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

 Greg, I just don't see COVID being deadlier. Total worldwide deaths are around 
5,000 in around 3 months/90 days, actually a bit less but whatever. The number 
is rising but its more or less linear as is the number of known infected 
persons. Remember the NUMBER is rising linearly, which means the rate is mostly 
constant. This is all taken from WHO published data which is maybe not reliable 
but about all we've got.
Total US flu deaths since October is something like 35,000 October - February, 
so 5 months or about 150 days, thats 233/day vs 55 a day for COVID.
In the US there have been probably around 30 deaths by now. This is over the 
course of say 4 weeks. Most of those deaths are in one nursing home where sure, 
its sad that folks died but, lets be practical, they were just waiting around 
to die anyway.
So no, I don't see this as any more deadly than the flu and in all probability 
its less deadly and, now that people are aware and taking precautions its 
traveling slower than the flu.
-Curt

On Friday, March 13, 2020, 4:17:38 PM EDT, Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes 
 wrote:  
 
 The FACT is that this COVID is both deadlier and more communicable than the 
flu. Stick to the known data and the probable gaps in the data, such as the 
unknown denominator which is the total number of infections. The data seem to 
show that the fatality rate of COVID is about 10X that of flu. For the elderly 
and medically challenged the fatality rate may be much higher than 10X.

Assess your risk level and adjust your practices accordingly. The data will 
change as we move along, and practices will need to change to suit. Try to 
control the toilet paper obsession.

The administration is doing a pretty good job. The CDC messed up with their 
restrictive rules on test kits. The bottleneck on that is that the reagents 
necessary to process the tests are sourced from OUTSIDE the US (Germany I 
heard) and are in short supply. Blame globalism.

That the CDC has been pushing to study whether guns are dangerous, but not 
doing too well with their actual mission means that they need better 
supervision, maybe time to clean house with their upper management.

Believe it or not...FEMA has a good program to train people for disaster 
exercises, their MEPP (Master Exercise Practitioner Program). Exercises and 
drills are the best way to determine shortcomings in a system, and what 
training is necessary. The CDC needs to test themselves with frequent exercises.

Greg

who ran exercises and drills for DHS between '03 and '08 in Oregon, SW WA, and 
parts of Idaho, many involving public health issues.

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Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:43 PM
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Cc: Kaleb Striplin
Subject: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or proportion?

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Re: [MBZ] SPAM RE: It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 13:16:47 -0700 Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes
 wrote:

> The FACT is that this COVID is both deadlier and more communicable than
> the flu. Stick to the known data and the probable gaps in the data,
> such as the unknown denominator which is the total number of
> infections. The data seem to show that the fatality rate of COVID is
> about 10X that of flu. For the elderly and medically challenged the
> fatality rate may be much higher than 10X.

Where does one get the data which demonstrate these conclusions?


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!

2020-03-13 Thread Buggered Benzmail via Mercedes

Should I wear the hunter orange or camo NRA cap?

--FT
Sent from iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 5:33 PM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> You'll have to prove your membership in the NRA, GOP, or Tea Party when you
> go to pick it up.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
> 
> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>> *I guess I should order one of these to complete the kit
>> *
>> 
>> 
>> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-angryjoe-14-ar-14-stripped-lower-receiver-preorder-item-8-10-weeks-delivery.html
>> 
>> *Fire Selector - Left Side:* "WUD HE SAY?" (Safe), "DOGFACED
>> PONYSOLDIER" (Fire), "FULLA SH!T" (Full-Auto)
>> 
>> *Fire Selector - Right Side: *"MEMORY LOSS" (Safe), "DEMENTIA" (Fire),
>> "LIBERAL" (Full-Auto)
>> 
>> --FT
>> 
>>> On 3/12/20 8:31 AM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:
>>> But where’s the fun in that?  Better to build your own Scary Black
>> Assault Weapon.
>>> 
>>> --FT
>>> Sent from iPhone
>>> 
 On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
 
 I was reading the comments, and saw that they have been cheaper in the
>> past.
 
 Sure enough, watching a little TV last night and there's a PSA
>> commercial
 for an assembled rifle with a magazine on sale for $479.
 -
 Max
 Charleston SC
 
 
> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:48 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
> Good deal indeed.  I've paid up to $500 for these. The kit still
>> requires
> lower receiver.
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>> Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:30 PM
>> To: Mercedes 
>> Cc: Meade Dillon 
>> Subject: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!
>> 
>> This is tempting.  Just in case this wu flu virus turns into the
>> zombie
>> apocalypse.
>> 
>> PSA 16" M4 Carbine kit for $310, marked down from $500, has blemishes
>> in
>> finish.
>> 
>> 
>> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-
>> nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html
>> 
>> 
>> -
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>> Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!

You'll have to prove your membership in the NRA, GOP, or Tea Party when you
go to pick it up.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 4:54 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> *I guess I should order one of these to complete the kit
> *
>
>
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-angryjoe-14-ar-14-stripped-lower-receiver-preorder-item-8-10-weeks-delivery.html
>
> *Fire Selector - Left Side:* "WUD HE SAY?" (Safe), "DOGFACED
> PONYSOLDIER" (Fire), "FULLA SH!T" (Full-Auto)
>
> *Fire Selector - Right Side: *"MEMORY LOSS" (Safe), "DEMENTIA" (Fire),
> "LIBERAL" (Full-Auto)
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/12/20 8:31 AM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:
> > But where’s the fun in that?  Better to build your own Scary Black
> Assault Weapon.
> >
> > --FT
> > Sent from iPhone
> >
> >> On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I was reading the comments, and saw that they have been cheaper in the
> past.
> >>
> >> Sure enough, watching a little TV last night and there's a PSA
> commercial
> >> for an assembled rifle with a magazine on sale for $479.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >>> On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:48 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
> >>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> Good deal indeed.  I've paid up to $500 for these. The kit still
> requires
> >>> lower receiver.
> >>>
>  -Original Message-
>  From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
>  Meade Dillon via Mercedes
>  Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:30 PM
>  To: Mercedes 
>  Cc: Meade Dillon 
>  Subject: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!
> 
>  This is tempting.  Just in case this wu flu virus turns into the
> zombie
>  apocalypse.
> 
>  PSA 16" M4 Carbine kit for $310, marked down from $500, has blemishes
> in
>  finish.
> 
> 
> https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-
>  nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html
> 
> 
>  -
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Re: [MBZ] Trump drank the Kool Aid

2020-03-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Are you guys working remote starting next week?

We’re all hands on deck today getting things ready for it.

-D

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:03 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> Apologies to Kurley
> 
> “I am officially declaring a national emergency,” President Trump announced
> on Friday, which he said would unleash the full power of the federal
> government to combat the coronavirus.
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Dan Penoff via Mercedes

Went to Costco on the way home from work today, as there were a number of 
things we needed.

OMG.

You would have thought a CAT 5 hurricane was off the coast. It was absolute 
insanity. I was able to get the stuff I needed and cut through the pharmacy to 
get to a line that only had about three people in it. The other lines snaked 
back halfway across the store.

I needed gas, too, but the lines for that were just as stupid. I have a 1/4 
tank, so I’m good. I’ll go by there first thing in the morning tomorrow when I 
go to the dry cleaners to pick up laundry. No one will be up then.

-D

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 4:37 PM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
> frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...
> 
> Curt
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
> 
>  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via 
> Mercedesmailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:   How 
> much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> 
> My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
> normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
> weeks if the need should arise.
> 
> Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
> turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
> a much longer period of time?
> 
> Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
> issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> 
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Re: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!


*I guess I should order one of these to complete the kit
*

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-angryjoe-14-ar-14-stripped-lower-receiver-preorder-item-8-10-weeks-delivery.html

*Fire Selector - Left Side:* "WUD HE SAY?" (Safe), "DOGFACED 
PONYSOLDIER" (Fire), "FULLA SH!T" (Full-Auto)


*Fire Selector - Right Side: *"MEMORY LOSS" (Safe), "DEMENTIA" (Fire), 
"LIBERAL" (Full-Auto)


--FT

On 3/12/20 8:31 AM, Buggered Benzmail wrote:

But where’s the fun in that?  Better to build your own Scary Black Assault 
Weapon.

--FT
Sent from iPhone


On Mar 12, 2020, at 8:20 AM, Meade Dillon via Mercedes  
wrote:

I was reading the comments, and saw that they have been cheaper in the past.

Sure enough, watching a little TV last night and there's a PSA commercial
for an assembled rifle with a magazine on sale for $479.
-
Max
Charleston SC



On Thu, Mar 12, 2020 at 12:48 AM Scott Ritchey via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Good deal indeed.  I've paid up to $500 for these. The kit still requires
lower receiver.


-Original Message-
From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of
Meade Dillon via Mercedes
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:30 PM
To: Mercedes 
Cc: Meade Dillon 
Subject: [MBZ] OT guns on sale too!

This is tempting.  Just in case this wu flu virus turns into the zombie
apocalypse.

PSA 16" M4 Carbine kit for $310, marked down from $500, has blemishes in
finish.

https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-16-m4-carbine-length-5-56-nato-1-7-
nitride-freedom-rifle-kit-5076171.html


-
Max
Charleston SC
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

We have a couple weeks anyway. Chicken, beef, pork, fish, moose, venison, 
frozen and canned veg. Tomorrow I'm going to make sourdough...

Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:18 PM, Randy Bennell via 
Mercedes wrote:   How much food do you folks normally 
keep on hand?

My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
weeks if the need should arise.

Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
a much longer period of time?

Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

We have plenty of cleaning supplies. These women were buying several years 
worth each...Curt

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:04 PM, Andrew Strasfogel 
wrote:   I can't imagine what they think they're going to clean...
Your house, since it will be teeming with covid-19 loose virii due to your 
refusal to disinfect.  

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
 wrote:

 Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP yesterday. 
People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little town (about 
10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding and too dumb to 
go one town over when something runs out.
I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't 
imagine what they think they're going to clean...
-Curt

    On Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:47:17 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
 wrote:  

 Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.

We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.


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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

2020-03-13 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

I saw an interview of someone from a company that says they have a potential 
vaccine. They explained that it is NOT a vaccine that works by causing an 
immune response, but that it is the actual antibodies themselves, that your 
body would have produced. The production of these antibodies is (I suppose) 
CRISPR'd into some single-cell organism, then cultured in mass quantities. 
Safety is of course still an issue; but someone would not catch the disease 
itself from the vaccine. 

Also, it would be a treatment as well as a preventive. The hope is that this 
process could be tested and brought to market more quickly than the usual 
vaccine process.

Greg

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Subject: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine




Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q


At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the 
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President Donald 
Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next year 
or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months better.”

But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months, and 
according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of the Vaccine 
Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the co-developer of 
the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to perfect that protection 
against a disease that, according to the Centers for Disease Control and 
Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea in children before the 
vaccine’s introduction in 2006.

Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few months?

Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in making 
a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months ago. That’s 
not long.

[To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach you 
want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to make sure 
that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and that it induces an 
immune response which would likely be protective. Then you gradually do studies 
in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make sure that it induces an 
immune response. That takes time, a lot of time, typically years. Then and only 
then, are you ready to put it into people to see whether or not it works in an 
outbreak situation.

In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak in the 
Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very quickly.

I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West Africa 
and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks, people 
thought, Ha! That’s easy.

But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola vaccine 
for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done the testing 
to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.

But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from scratch.

What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine will be 
available?

I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory infections 
that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of] coronavirus. 
This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.

But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and now 
this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and gone.

I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s different. If 
you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick. And it’s very easy 
to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then quarantine those people — 
put a moat around them, if you will — so that they wouldn’t infect others. So 
those infections quickly died out. This virus is more like flu. It spreads in a 
similar manner to flu by respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. 
It has the same set of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s 
going to have the same mortality rate as flu.

There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a 
coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have immunity 
to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s encouraging. If 
natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging that it can produce an 
immune response which is protective and which you should be able to mimic with 
vaccination.

Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about safety vs. 
red tape?

If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are very, 
very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure it’s safe. So 
you want those regulations in

Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Kaleb Striplin via Mercedes

So before I left for my trip I wanted to buy some hand sanitizer just to play 
it safe. All the stores in my little 1 stoplight town were sold out. People 
that are staying home not going anywhere are hoarding all of this stuff and the 
people like me that are out traveling for work can’t get it.  

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 11:00 AM, Curt Raymond via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
>  Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP 
> yesterday. People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little town 
> (about 10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding and too 
> dumb to go one town over when something runs out.
> I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't 
> imagine what they think they're going to clean...
> -Curt
> 
>On Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:47:17 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
> 
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
> 
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[MBZ] SPAM RE: It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Greg Fiorentino via Mercedes

The FACT is that this COVID is both deadlier and more communicable than the 
flu. Stick to the known data and the probable gaps in the data, such as the 
unknown denominator which is the total number of infections. The data seem to 
show that the fatality rate of COVID is about 10X that of flu. For the elderly 
and medically challenged the fatality rate may be much higher than 10X.

Assess your risk level and adjust your practices accordingly. The data will 
change as we move along, and practices will need to change to suit. Try to 
control the toilet paper obsession.

The administration is doing a pretty good job. The CDC messed up with their 
restrictive rules on test kits. The bottleneck on that is that the reagents 
necessary to process the tests are sourced from OUTSIDE the US (Germany I 
heard) and are in short supply. Blame globalism.

That the CDC has been pushing to study whether guns are dangerous, but not 
doing too well with their actual mission means that they need better 
supervision, maybe time to clean house with their upper management.

Believe it or not...FEMA has a good program to train people for disaster 
exercises, their MEPP (Master Exercise Practitioner Program). Exercises and 
drills are the best way to determine shortcomings in a system, and what 
training is necessary. The CDC needs to test themselves with frequent exercises.

Greg

who ran exercises and drills for DHS between '03 and '08 in Oregon, SW WA, and 
parts of Idaho, many involving public health issues.

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From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Kaleb 
Striplin via Mercedes
Sent: Thursday, March 12, 2020 5:43 PM
To: Mercedes Discussion List
Cc: Kaleb Striplin
Subject: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

With all of these places closing down, our company is suspending a lot of 
business travel and our scheduled company meeting at the end of the month has 
been postponed is this actually real or people blowing things out or proportion?

Sent from my iPhone

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[MBZ] Trump drank the Kool Aid

Apologies to Kurley

“I am officially declaring a national emergency,” President Trump announced
on Friday, which he said would unleash the full power of the federal
government to combat the coronavirus.
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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

But if you're an antivaxxer that is exactly what you want!

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:42 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Yeah, so if it starts having adverse effects the media will start
> howling and Trump will be blamed for inadequate testing etcetc
> blahblahblah and the lawyers will have a field day filing billions in
> claims against the vax manufacturers
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/13/20 3:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > What takes 1-2 years is the testing to determine 1) is it safe on humans?
> > and 2) does it work?
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:15 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Let me try again, this link should work
> >>
> >>
> >>
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/163739/?oref=d-mostread
> >>
> >> " *A Canadian company says that it has *produced a COVID-19 vaccine
> just 20
> >> days after receiving the coronavirus’s genetic sequence, using a unique
> >> technology that they soon hope to submit for FDA approval.
> >>
> >> Medicago CEO Bruce Clark said his company could produce as many as 10
> >> million doses a month. If regulatory hurdles can be cleared, he said in
> a
> >> Thursday interview, the vaccine could start to become available
> >> in November 2021. "
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:06 PM Max Dillon 
> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for
> >>> testing.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/
> >>>
> >>> Max Dillon
> >>> Charleston SC
> >>>
> >>> Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com
> >>> :
> >>>
> 
> 
>  Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> 
> 
>  At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of
> >> the
> >>> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President
> >> Donald
> >>> Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the
> next
> >>> year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
> >>> better.”
>  But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of
> >> months,
> >>> and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of
> >> the
> >>> Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
> >>> co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to
> >> perfect
> >>> that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
> >>> Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe
> diarrhea
> >>> in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
>  Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
> >>> months?
>  Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested
> >> in
> >>> making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple
> months
> >>> ago. That’s not long.
>  [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what
> >>> approach you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model
> >>> testing to make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in
> >>> animals, and that it induces an immune response which would likely be
> >>> protective. Then you gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s
> >> safe,
> >>> and then to make sure that it induces an immune response. That takes
> >> time,
> >>> a lot of time, typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to
> put
> >> it
> >>> into people to see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
>  In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola
> outbreak
> >>> in the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine
> >> very
> >>> quickly.
>  I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
> >>> Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within
> >> weeks,
> >>> people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
>  But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> >>> vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve
> done
> >>> the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
>  But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> >>> scratch.
>  What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
> >>> will be available?
>  I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> >>> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types
> >> of]
> >>> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
>  But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS,
> and
> >>> now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and
> >> gone.
>  I think this [COVID-19]

Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

Yeah, so if it starts having adverse effects the media will start
howling and Trump will be blamed for inadequate testing etcetc
blahblahblah and the lawyers will have a field day filing billions in
claims against the vax manufacturers

--FT

On 3/13/20 3:19 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

What takes 1-2 years is the testing to determine 1) is it safe on humans?
and 2) does it work?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:15 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

Let me try again, this link should work

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/163739/?oref=d-mostread

" *A Canadian company says that it has *produced a COVID-19 vaccine just 20
days after receiving the coronavirus’s genetic sequence, using a unique
technology that they soon hope to submit for FDA approval.

Medicago CEO Bruce Clark said his company could produce as many as 10
million doses a month. If regulatory hurdles can be cleared, he said in a
Thursday interview, the vaccine could start to become available
in November 2021. "
-
Max
Charleston SC

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:06 PM Max Dillon wrote:

Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for
testing.

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/

Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes

Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q

At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of

the

National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President

Donald

Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next
year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
better.”

But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of

months,

and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of

the

Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to

perfect

that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea
in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.

Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few

months?

Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested

making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months
ago. That’s not long.

[To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what

approach you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model
testing to make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in
animals, and that it induces an immune response which would likely be
protective. Then you gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s

safe,

and then to make sure that it induces an immune response. That takes

time,

a lot of time, typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put

into people to see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.

In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak

in the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine

very

quickly.

I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West

Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within

weeks,

people thought, Ha! That’s easy.

But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola

vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.

But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from

scratch.

What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine

will be available?

I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory

infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types

of]

coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.

But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and

now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and

gone.

I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s

different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have

the

same mortality rate as flu.

There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with

coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have

Re: [MBZ] OT: We Will Survive

2020-03-13 Thread Craig via Mercedes

On Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:26:50 -0500 Curley McLain via Mercedes
 wrote:

> yeah, and it looks like we will all take a hit from bailing out cruise 
> lines, airlines, boeing et al.
> 
> Can we sue the mediacrats who created the hysteria to recover?

I was thinking the same thing.

How about a $100 billion class action suit?


Craig

P.S. I have found
 https://www.ccef.org/anxiety-waiting-and-the-coronavirus/
 encouraging.

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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

What takes 1-2 years is the testing to determine 1) is it safe on humans?
and 2) does it work?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:15 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Let me try again, this link should work
>
>
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/163739/?oref=d-mostread
>
> " *A Canadian company says that it has *produced a COVID-19 vaccine just 20
> days after receiving the coronavirus’s genetic sequence, using a unique
> technology that they soon hope to submit for FDA approval.
>
> Medicago CEO Bruce Clark said his company could produce as many as 10
> million doses a month. If regulatory hurdles can be cleared, he said in a
> Thursday interview, the vaccine could start to become available
> in November 2021. "
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:06 PM Max Dillon  wrote:
>
> > Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for
> > testing.
> >
> >
> >
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/
> >
> >
> > Max Dillon
> > Charleston SC
> >
> > Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes  >:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> > >
> > >
> > > At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of
> the
> > National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President
> Donald
> > Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next
> > year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
> > better.”
> > >
> > > But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of
> months,
> > and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of
> the
> > Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
> > co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to
> perfect
> > that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
> > Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea
> > in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> > >
> > > Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
> > months?
> > >
> > > Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested
> in
> > making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months
> > ago. That’s not long.
> > >
> > > [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what
> > approach you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model
> > testing to make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in
> > animals, and that it induces an immune response which would likely be
> > protective. Then you gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s
> safe,
> > and then to make sure that it induces an immune response. That takes
> time,
> > a lot of time, typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put
> it
> > into people to see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
> > >
> > > In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak
> > in the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine
> very
> > quickly.
> > >
> > > I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
> > Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within
> weeks,
> > people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> > >
> > > But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> > vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
> > the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> > >
> > > But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> > scratch.
> > >
> > > What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
> > will be available?
> > >
> > > I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> > infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types
> of]
> > coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> > >
> > > But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and
> > now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and
> gone.
> > >
> > > I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
> > different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
> > And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
> > quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
> > they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
> > virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
> > respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
> > of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have
> the
> > same mortality rate as flu.
> > >
> > > There are certainly human studies showing that

Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

Let me try again, this link should work

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/163739/?oref=d-mostread

" *A Canadian company says that it has *produced a COVID-19 vaccine just 20
days after receiving the coronavirus’s genetic sequence, using a unique
technology that they soon hope to submit for FDA approval.

Medicago CEO Bruce Clark said his company could produce as many as 10
million doses a month. If regulatory hurdles can be cleared, he said in a
Thursday interview, the vaccine could start to become available
in November 2021. "
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 3:06 PM Max Dillon  wrote:

> Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for
> testing.
>
>
> https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/
>
>
> Max Dillon
> Charleston SC
>
> Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes :
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> >
> >
> > At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the
> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President Donald
> Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next
> year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
> better.”
> >
> > But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months,
> and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of the
> Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
> co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to perfect
> that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
> Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea
> in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> >
> > Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
> months?
> >
> > Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in
> making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months
> ago. That’s not long.
> >
> > [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what
> approach you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model
> testing to make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in
> animals, and that it induces an immune response which would likely be
> protective. Then you gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe,
> and then to make sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time,
> a lot of time, typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it
> into people to see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
> >
> > In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak
> in the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very
> quickly.
> >
> > I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
> Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks,
> people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> >
> > But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
> the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> >
> > But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> scratch.
> >
> > What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
> will be available?
> >
> > I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of]
> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> >
> > But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and
> now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and gone.
> >
> > I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
> different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
> And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
> quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
> they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
> virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
> respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
> of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have the
> same mortality rate as flu.
> >
> > There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a
> coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have
> immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s
> encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging
> that it can produce an immune response which is protective and which you
> should be able to mimic with vaccination.
> >
> > Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How

Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine


And vaccines would give me autism

--FT

On 3/13/20 2:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote:

I flushed at least one out into the open.  Any others?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:56 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
mailto:mercedes@okiebenz.com>> wrote:


It's a way to poison our precious bodily fluids just like the commie
fluoridation of our water supplies!

--FT

On 3/13/20 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> Who on the list is an antivaxxer?
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>
>> Thanks Gerry, some common sense there.
>>
>> " There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed
between
>> 20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But
only half
>> the country gets that vaccine.
>>
>> There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon]
from COVID-19,
>> but everybody would get a vaccine now.
>>
>> The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk."
>>
>> I think we are up to 40 dead now from this Wuhan flu.
>> -
>> Max
>> Charleston SC
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:24 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com > wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
>>>
>>>
>>> At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the
head of the
>>> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told
President
>> Donald
>>> Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available
within the next
>>> year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of
months
>>> better.”
>>>
>>> But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple
of months,
>>> and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit,
director of
>> the
>>> Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of
Philadelphia, is the
>>> co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to
>> perfect
>>> that protection against a disease that, according to the
Centers for
>>> Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for
severe diarrhea
>>> in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
>>>
>>> Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
>> months?
>>> Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re
interested in
>>> making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a
couple months
>>> ago. That’s not long.
>>>
>>> [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to
what approach
>>> you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model
testing to
>>> make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in
animals, and
>> that
>>> it induces an immune response which would likely be
protective. Then you
>>> gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and
then to make
>>> sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a
lot of time,
>>> typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it
into people
>> to
>>> see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
>>>
>>> In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola
outbreak
>> in
>>> the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental
vaccine very
>>> quickly.
>>>
>>> I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred
in West
>>> Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf
within
>> weeks,
>>> people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
>>>
>>> But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an
Ebola
>>> vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing.
They’ve done
>>> the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was
immunogenic.
>>>
>>> But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re
starting from
>>> scratch.
>>>
>>> What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a
vaccine
>>> will be available?
>>>
>>> I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the
respiratory
>>> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months
are [types
>> of]
>>> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
>>>
>>> But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS,
SARS, and
>>> now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have
come and
>> gone.
>>> I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
>>> different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you
were sick.
>>> And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You
could

Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

2020-03-13 Thread dan--- via Mercedes

I’ve heard that women seek your essence. Feeling a profound sense of loss?

Group Captain Lionel Mandrake

> On Mar 13, 2020, at 2:55 PM, Floyd Thursby via Mercedes 
>  wrote:
> 
> It's a way to poison our precious bodily fluids just like the commie 
> fluoridation of our water supplies!
> 
> --FT
> 
>> On 3/13/20 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
>> Who on the list is an antivaxxer?
>> 
>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> Thanks Gerry, some common sense there.
>>> 
>>> " There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between
>>> 20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only half
>>> the country gets that vaccine.
>>> 
>>> There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from COVID-19,
>>> but everybody would get a vaccine now.
>>> 
>>> The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk."
>>> 
>>> I think we are up to 40 dead now from this Wuhan flu.
>>> -
>>> Max
>>> Charleston SC
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:24 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
>>> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>>> 
 
 
 Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
 
 
 At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the
 National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President
>>> Donald
 Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next
 year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
 better.”
 
 But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months,
 and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of
>>> the
 Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
 co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to
>>> perfect
 that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
 Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea
 in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
 
 Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
>>> months?
 Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in
 making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months
 ago. That’s not long.
 
 [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach
 you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to
 make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and
>>> that
 it induces an immune response which would likely be protective. Then you
 gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make
 sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of time,
 typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it into people
>>> to
 see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
 
 In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak
>>> in
 the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very
 quickly.
 
 I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
 Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within
>>> weeks,
 people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
 
 But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
 vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
 the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
 
 But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
 scratch.
 
 What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
 will be available?
 
 I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
 infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types
>>> of]
 coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
 
 But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and
 now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and
>>> gone.
 I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
 different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
 And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
 quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
 they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
 virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
 respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
 of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have
>>> the
 same mortality rate as flu.
 
 There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a
 coronavirus —

Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

2020-03-13 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

Looks like some companies think they've already got a vaccine ready for testing.

https://www.defenseone.com/technology/2020/03/breaking-weve-got-vaccine-says-pentagon-funded-company/


Max Dillon
Charleston SC

Mar 13, 2020 12:24:51 PM archer75--- via Mercedes :

> 
> 
> 
> Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> 
> 
> At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the 
> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President Donald 
> Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next 
> year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months better.”
> 
> But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months, and 
> according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of the 
> Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the 
> co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to perfect 
> that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for Disease 
> Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea in children 
> before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> 
> Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few months?
> 
> Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in 
> making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months 
> ago. That’s not long.
> 
> [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach you 
> want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to make sure 
> that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and that it induces 
> an immune response which would likely be protective. Then you gradually do 
> studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make sure that it 
> induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of time, typically years. 
> Then and only then, are you ready to put it into people to see whether or not 
> it works in an outbreak situation.
> 
> In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak in 
> the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very 
> quickly.
> 
> I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West Africa 
> and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks, people 
> thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> 
> But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola vaccine 
> for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done the testing 
> to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> 
> But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from scratch.
> 
> What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine will 
> be available?
> 
> I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory 
> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of] 
> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> 
> But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and now 
> this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and gone.
> 
> I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s different. 
> If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick. And it’s very 
> easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then quarantine those 
> people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that they wouldn’t infect 
> others. So those infections quickly died out. This virus is more like flu. It 
> spreads in a similar manner to flu by respiratory droplet. It’s about as 
> contagious as flu. It has the same set of symptoms as flu. And I think in the 
> end, frankly, it’s going to have the same mortality rate as flu.
> 
> There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a 
> coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have 
> immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s 
> encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging that 
> it can produce an immune response which is protective and which you should be 
> able to mimic with vaccination.
> 
> Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about safety 
> vs. red tape?
> 
> If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are very, 
> very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure it’s safe. So 
> you want those regulations in place.
> 
> An example is the dengue vaccine. When it was tested in Latin America and 
> Philippines, it was found to actually increase your risk of dengue shock 
> syndrome. Children who were less than 9 years of age, who had never been 
> exposed to the virus before, were actually more likely to be hurt by the 
> vaccine than helped by it. Now, you only knew that from doing large clinical 
> trials with tens of thousands of people.
> 
> The history of medical breakthroughs is

[MBZ] NOT COVIDS: The depreciation on these things is amazing

Probably would be a nightmare to maintain, but relative low miles for a 
13yo car.  Missing hood star?


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2007 Mercedes-Benz S-Class S 550 4MATIC Sedan 4D
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· 


$6,500

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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

I flushed at least one out into the open.  Any others?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 2:56 PM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It's a way to poison our precious bodily fluids just like the commie
> fluoridation of our water supplies!
>
> --FT
>
> On 3/13/20 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > Who on the list is an antivaxxer?
> >
> > On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
> > mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Thanks Gerry, some common sense there.
> >>
> >> " There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between
> >> 20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only
> half
> >> the country gets that vaccine.
> >>
> >> There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from
> COVID-19,
> >> but everybody would get a vaccine now.
> >>
> >> The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk."
> >>
> >> I think we are up to 40 dead now from this Wuhan flu.
> >> -
> >> Max
> >> Charleston SC
> >>
> >>
> >> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:24 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> >> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of
> the
> >>> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President
> >> Donald
> >>> Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the
> next
> >>> year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
> >>> better.”
> >>>
> >>> But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of
> months,
> >>> and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of
> >> the
> >>> Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
> >>> co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to
> >> perfect
> >>> that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
> >>> Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe
> diarrhea
> >>> in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> >>>
> >>> Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
> >> months?
> >>> Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested
> in
> >>> making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple
> months
> >>> ago. That’s not long.
> >>>
> >>> [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what
> approach
> >>> you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to
> >>> make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and
> >> that
> >>> it induces an immune response which would likely be protective. Then
> you
> >>> gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make
> >>> sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of
> time,
> >>> typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it into
> people
> >> to
> >>> see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
> >>>
> >>> In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak
> >> in
> >>> the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine
> very
> >>> quickly.
> >>>
> >>> I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
> >>> Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within
> >> weeks,
> >>> people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> >>>
> >>> But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> >>> vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve
> done
> >>> the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> >>>
> >>> But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> >>> scratch.
> >>>
> >>> What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
> >>> will be available?
> >>>
> >>> I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> >>> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types
> >> of]
> >>> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> >>>
> >>> But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and
> >>> now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and
> >> gone.
> >>> I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
> >>> different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were
> sick.
> >>> And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
> >>> quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
> >>> they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
> >>> virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
> >>> respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same
> set
> >>> of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have
> >> the
> >>> same mortality rate as flu.
> >>>
> >>> There are certainly

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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

It's a way to poison our precious bodily fluids just like the commie 
fluoridation of our water supplies!


--FT

On 3/13/20 2:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

Who on the list is an antivaxxer?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Thanks Gerry, some common sense there.

" There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between
20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only half
the country gets that vaccine.

There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from COVID-19,
but everybody would get a vaccine now.

The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk."

I think we are up to 40 dead now from this Wuhan flu.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:24 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:




Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q


At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President

Donald

Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next
year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
better.”

But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months,
and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of

the

Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to

perfect

that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea
in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.

Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few

months?

Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in
making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months
ago. That’s not long.

[To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach
you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to
make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and

that

it induces an immune response which would likely be protective. Then you
gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make
sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of time,
typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it into people

to

see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.

In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak

in

the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very
quickly.

I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within

weeks,

people thought, Ha! That’s easy.

But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.

But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
scratch.

What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
will be available?

I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types

of]

coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.

But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and
now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and

gone.

I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have

the

same mortality rate as flu.

There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a
coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have
immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s
encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging
that it can produce an immune response which is protective and which you
should be able to mimic with vaccination.

Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about

safety

vs. red tape?

If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are
very, very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure it’s
safe. So you want those regulations in place.

An example is the dengue vaccine. When it was tested in

[MBZ] Fwd: Fwd: Corona Virus spray






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Subject:Fwd: Corona Virus spray
Date:   Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:45:23 -0500











A breakthrough.. spray throat at
least THREE times a day or more if you
need itScotch will work just as well!



 
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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

Who on the list is an antivaxxer?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:29 PM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Thanks Gerry, some common sense there.
>
> " There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between
> 20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only half
> the country gets that vaccine.
>
> There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from COVID-19,
> but everybody would get a vaccine now.
>
> The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk."
>
> I think we are up to 40 dead now from this Wuhan flu.
> -
> Max
> Charleston SC
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:24 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
> >
> >
> > At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the
> > National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President
> Donald
> > Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next
> > year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
> > better.”
> >
> > But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months,
> > and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of
> the
> > Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
> > co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to
> perfect
> > that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
> > Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea
> > in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
> >
> > Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few
> months?
> >
> > Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in
> > making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months
> > ago. That’s not long.
> >
> > [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach
> > you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to
> > make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and
> that
> > it induces an immune response which would likely be protective. Then you
> > gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make
> > sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of time,
> > typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it into people
> to
> > see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
> >
> > In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak
> in
> > the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very
> > quickly.
> >
> > I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
> > Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within
> weeks,
> > people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
> >
> > But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> > vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
> > the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
> >
> > But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> > scratch.
> >
> > What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
> > will be available?
> >
> > I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> > infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types
> of]
> > coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
> >
> > But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and
> > now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and
> gone.
> >
> > I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
> > different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
> > And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
> > quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
> > they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
> > virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
> > respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
> > of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have
> the
> > same mortality rate as flu.
> >
> > There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a
> > coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have
> > immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s
> > encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging
> > that it can produce an immune response which is protective and which you
> > should be able to mimic with vaccination.
> >
> > Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about
> safety
> > vs. red tape?
> >
> > If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are
> > very,

Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Kurley - this is for you:

*// “CERTAINLY NOT A CRAPPY EDITION”: *It’s not a Colorado story, but this
is too good not to share. An Australian newspaper ran an eight-page special
section that contained no photos, no stories –
–
nothing but cut-lines so readers could trim the pages into emergency toilet
paper. The NT News, which serves the Northern Territories, came up with the
idea in response to the run on essentials that left many store shelves
bare. *// CNN*


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> It is a matter of sheeple being herded by the mediaocrats.  The
> mediaocrats want power to herd all sheeple.   Some of us resist.   They
> don't tolerate resistance.
>
> Nearly everyone keeps enough food so as not to starve if they can't buy
> food for a couple weeks.  The exception is the folks who don't cook and
> eat at restaurants all the time.   THey probably do have a week's supply
> of Doritos.
>
> Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 11:17 AM:
> > How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?
> >
> > My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels
> > we normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple
> > of weeks if the need should arise.
> >
> > Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could
> > turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies
> > for a much longer period of time?
> >
> > Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the
> > issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.
> >
>
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Re: [MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

That sounds backwards. In my 190e there are two switches, a red one on the ac 
drier, and one on the head. The fans run slow with the AC on, then go on high 
when the engine temp hit 100c. There is a resistor hack to make the fans go on 
high a bit earlier. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] OT: We Will Survive

yeah, and it looks like we will all take a hit from bailing out cruise 
lines, airlines, boeing et al.


Can we sue the mediacrats who created the hysteria to recover?

NBA, NHL, NCAA. No loss as long as no tax dollars are used to line 
their pockets.


fmiser via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 12:20 PM:

Max wrote:
Six months from now, or even sooner, this will be largely
forgotten.

Yup!

Except for those who took a major economic hit from the hysteria.
The university has canceled all events with more than 50 people,
which includes the theater.  So the community theater group has
lost it's chance to perform and get ticket revenue from their big
show.  Multiple 10s of thousands of dollars have been invested in
anticipation of the ticket sales.  Maybe it can just be
postponed  Otherwise this will likely impact them for at least
4 or 5 years as they try to recover and build back.




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[MBZ] OT: = ON TOPIC 124 2.5 overheating

I ran it downtown this morning.  Temp was holding at 92 for a while then 
rose to the mark above 90, which I assume is 105.    Got it home, popped 
the hood.  Fans not running.   pulled the 2 wire plug off the top of the 
cooling system.   Fans run with key on.    Started it up, and temp came 
down with fans running.


So I have a decision.   Leave the plug off and let the fans run all 
summer when the key is on, or buy the sensor and replace it?    I may 
have a sensor here somewhere.


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Re: [MBZ] OT: We Will Survive

2020-03-13 Thread fmiser via Mercedes

> Max wrote:

> Six months from now, or even sooner, this will be largely
> forgotten.

Yup!

Except for those who took a major economic hit from the hysteria.
The university has canceled all events with more than 50 people,
which includes the theater.  So the community theater group has
lost it's chance to perform and get ticket revenue from their big
show.  Multiple 10s of thousands of dollars have been invested in
anticipation of the ticket sales.  Maybe it can just be
postponed  Otherwise this will likely impact them for at least
4 or 5 years as they try to recover and build back. 

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Re: [MBZ] Hey Max

Check your spam. 
Hmm.
I have to go and check the store shelves now
For spam!

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

It is a matter of sheeple being herded by the mediaocrats.  The 
mediaocrats want power to herd all sheeple.   Some of us resist.   They 
don't tolerate resistance.


Nearly everyone keeps enough food so as not to starve if they can't buy 
food for a couple weeks.  The exception is the folks who don't cook and 
eat at restaurants all the time.   THey probably do have a week's supply 
of Doritos.


Randy Bennell via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 11:17 AM:

How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?

My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels 
we normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple 
of weeks if the need should arise.


Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies 
for a much longer period of time?


Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.





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On 13/03/2020 11:58 AM, Curley McLain via Mercedes wrote:
So why not the same precautions and mania every winter when identified 
flus kill 30,000 to 60,000 Americans?    Nobody's answered that yet.



I think you can answer that one yourself. This is something new and thus 
a bit more concerning. Plus the media hype has made it a daily news item.



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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

So why not the same precautions and mania every winter when identified 
flus kill 30,000 to 60,000 Americans?    Nobody's answered that yet.


Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 10:27 AM:

Better safe than sorry.  Get people's attention so when the problem fades
away the stock market will soar.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 11:07 AM Meade Dillon via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Different party (R vs. D), different standards?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Remember the swine flu mania?

 The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack
 Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The
 WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000
 Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died. And unlike
 coronavirus, the swine flu was more deadly to younger people. Obama
 declared a national emergency when the virus reemerged with a
 vengeance in the fall.

 Yet the press barely covered any of these events.

 When the WHO declared the swine flu “unstoppable” on June 11, 2009,
 CNN didn’t even lead with that story on its homepage. It was in a
 pile of links on the side of the page.

 A week later, there was /no mention of the swine flu anywhere on
 CNN’s home page/.




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NAAA, can't be.   That's been dismisses as a "conspiracy theory"

Meade Dillon via Mercedes wrote on 3/13/20 10:06 AM:

Different party (R vs. D), different standards?
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:57 AM Floyd Thursby via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:


Remember the swine flu mania?

 The swine flu was a serious enough outbreak for President Barack
 Obama to declare a public health emergency in late April 2009. The
 WHO declared it a pandemic in early July – at which time 18,000
 Americans had contracted novel flu virus and 44 had died. And unlike
 coronavirus, the swine flu was more deadly to younger people. Obama
 declared a national emergency when the virus reemerged with a
 vengeance in the fall.

 Yet the press barely covered any of these events.

 When the WHO declared the swine flu “unstoppable” on June 11, 2009,
 CNN didn’t even lead with that story on its homepage. It was in a
 pile of links on the side of the page.

 A week later, there was /no mention of the swine flu anywhere on
 CNN’s home page/.





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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Allan Streib via Mercedes

I don't go to Walmart much but was at the supermarket last night. Other
than a few items like hand sanitizer, stock levels were pretty
normal. Plenty of produce, meats, and canned/boxed food.

Whoever makes Clorox, Lysol, Purell and those types of products must be
having a banner sales quarter.

I don't understand the hoarding of toilet paper. I have not heard that
this virus really causes gastric upset.

Allan

Randy Bennell via Mercedes  writes:

> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
>
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
>

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Re: [MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

Thanks Gerry, some common sense there.

" There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between
20,000 and 45,000 people in the United States -- influenza. But only half
the country gets that vaccine.

There’s only 14 deaths [in the U.S., as of Friday afternoon] from COVID-19,
but everybody would get a vaccine now.

The point being: We’re not very good at assessing risk."

I think we are up to 40 dead now from this Wuhan flu.
-
Max
Charleston SC


On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:24 PM archer75--- via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>
>
>
> Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q
>
>
> At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the
> National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President Donald
> Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next
> year or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months
> better.”
>
> But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months,
> and according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of the
> Vaccine Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the
> co-developer of the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to perfect
> that protection against a disease that, according to the Centers for
> Disease Control and Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea
> in children before the vaccine’s introduction in 2006.
>
> Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few months?
>
> Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in
> making a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months
> ago. That’s not long.
>
> [To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach
> you want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to
> make sure that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and that
> it induces an immune response which would likely be protective. Then you
> gradually do studies in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make
> sure that it induces an immune response. That takes time, a lot of time,
> typically years. Then and only then, are you ready to put it into people to
> see whether or not it works in an outbreak situation.
>
> In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak in
> the Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very
> quickly.
>
> I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West
> Africa and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks,
> people thought, Ha! That’s easy.
>
> But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola
> vaccine for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done
> the testing to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.
>
> But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from
> scratch.
>
> What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine
> will be available?
>
> I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory
> infections that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of]
> coronavirus. This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.
>
> But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and
> now this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and gone.
>
> I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s
> different. If you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick.
> And it’s very easy to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then
> quarantine those people — put a moat around them, if you will — so that
> they wouldn’t infect others. So those infections quickly died out. This
> virus is more like flu. It spreads in a similar manner to flu by
> respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. It has the same set
> of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s going to have the
> same mortality rate as flu.
>
> There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a
> coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have
> immunity to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s
> encouraging. If natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging
> that it can produce an immune response which is protective and which you
> should be able to mimic with vaccination.
>
> Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about safety
> vs. red tape?
>
> If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are
> very, very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure it’s
> safe. So you want those regulations in place.
>
> An example is the dengue vaccine. When it was tested in Latin America and
> Philippines, it was found to actually increase your risk of dengue shock
> syndrome. Children who were less than 9 years of age, who had never been
>

Re: [MBZ] Hey Max

Nothing yet Rick.
-
Max
Charleston SC


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mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> Check your email then. I posted a link on banned that is too political to
> be on here.
>
> Rick
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[MBZ] Coronavirus Vaccine

2020-03-13 Thread archer75--- via Mercedes




Philly vaccine pioneer: We can’t rush a coronavirus vaccine | Q


At a White House news conference Tuesday, Anthony Fauci, the head of the 
National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Disease, told President Donald 
Trump a coronavirus vaccine would likely not be available within the next year 
or two. Trump responded: “I like the sound of a couple of months better.”

But a vaccine is not going to be available in the next couple of months, and 
according to Dr. Paul Offit, that’s appropriate. Offit, director of the Vaccine 
Education Center at Children’s Hospital of Philadelphia, is the co-developer of 
the rotavirus vaccine. It took roughly 26 years to perfect that protection 
against a disease that, according to the Centers for Disease Control and 
Prevention, was the leading cause for severe diarrhea in children before the 
vaccine’s introduction in 2006.

Why is it unrealistic to expect a vaccine for coronavirus in a few months?

Nobody’s ever seen this virus before. Therefore, if you’re interested in making 
a vaccine, you first had access to that virus only a couple months ago. That’s 
not long.

[To make a vaccine] you first need to make a decision as to what approach you 
want to take. Then you have to do extensive animal model testing to make sure 
that the approach that you’ve taken is safe in animals, and that it induces an 
immune response which would likely be protective. Then you gradually do studies 
in people to make sure it’s safe, and then to make sure that it induces an 
immune response. That takes time, a lot of time, typically years. Then and only 
then, are you ready to put it into people to see whether or not it works in an 
outbreak situation.

In 2018, after the World Health Organization declared an Ebola outbreak in the 
Democratic Republic of Congo, there was an experimental vaccine very quickly.

I think people got fooled by Ebola. When the outbreak occurred in West Africa 
and we had a vaccine pretty much that rolled off shelf within weeks, people 
thought, Ha! That’s easy.

But what they didn’t realize is people have been working on an Ebola vaccine 
for 20 years. They’ve done the animal model testing. They’ve done the testing 
to make sure that the vaccine was safe and was immunogenic.

But that’s not true here. This is a new virus. So we’re starting from scratch.

What is it about this virus that makes people confident that a vaccine will be 
available?

I don’t know. You know, I’d say about 15% to 20% of the respiratory infections 
that we see in our hospital in the winter months are [types of] coronavirus. 
This is a virus that has been around for 50 years.

But here are these three newer strains of coronavirus — MERS, SARS, and now 
this COVID-19. The first two viruses, SARS and MERS, have come and gone.

I think this [COVID-19] virus likely will come back because it’s different. If 
you were infected with SARS or MERS viruses, you were sick. And it’s very easy 
to tell who was sick and who wasn’t. You could then quarantine those people — 
put a moat around them, if you will — so that they wouldn’t infect others. So 
those infections quickly died out. This virus is more like flu. It spreads in a 
similar manner to flu by respiratory droplet. It’s about as contagious as flu. 
It has the same set of symptoms as flu. And I think in the end, frankly, it’s 
going to have the same mortality rate as flu.

There are certainly human studies showing that if you’re infected with a 
coronavirus — meaning one of the typical coronaviruses — you can have immunity 
to that strain for at least a year and probably longer. That’s encouraging. If 
natural infection can protect you, then it’s encouraging that it can produce an 
immune response which is protective and which you should be able to mimic with 
vaccination.

Vaccine development is tightly regulated. How much of that is about safety vs. 
red tape?

If you’re going to be testing this in otherwise healthy people who are very, 
very unlikely to die from this infection, you better make sure it’s safe. So 
you want those regulations in place.

An example is the dengue vaccine. When it was tested in Latin America and 
Philippines, it was found to actually increase your risk of dengue shock 
syndrome. Children who were less than 9 years of age, who had never been 
exposed to the virus before, were actually more likely to be hurt by the 
vaccine than helped by it. Now, you only knew that from doing large clinical 
trials with tens of thousands of people.

The history of medical breakthroughs is littered with tragedy. You want to make 
sure that things are safe.

What do you think is behind the apparent willingness to skirt the rules to rush 
a vaccine?

I think that because we falsely overrate, or incorrectly rate, what the 
mortality rate is, we’re willing to accept that things will be rushed through. 
In fact, coronavirus doesn’t have a high mortality rate.

There’s a virus that the CDC currently estimated has killed between 20,000

Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

2020-03-13 Thread Kevin Kraly via Mercedes

Yes it is. You should try it, if you can find some available.
Kevin in Hillsboro, OR
2019 Sprinter 600 miles, Low Mileage Lutgard AKA Der DoodleWagen
1982 240D, High Mileage Hildegard still under general anesthesia 

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> On Mar 13, 2020, at 9:07 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes 
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> 
> Why Kerry Gold?  Is it that different from/ better than domestic?
> 
> On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:04 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
> mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:
> 
>>> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies?
>> 
>> Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines were
>> horrendous. I am very friendly with the fellow at the pharmacy counter, so
>> I was able to check out there with my vitamins and Kerry Gold butter. My
>> prescription hasn't been filled yet.
>> 
>> It's sad really. I'm surprised more people didn't have cookbooks in their
>> carts too. I suspect most of the hoarded supplies will end up going to
>> waste.
>> 
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How much food do you folks normally keep on hand?

My wife and I were talking about this whole virus issue and she feels we 
normally have lots of food to keep us going for at least a couple of 
weeks if the need should arise.


Do most people shop daily or are they becoming afraid that this could 
turn into something much bigger and think they need to have supplies for 
a much longer period of time?


Not questions that are easy to answer I suppose. Probably it is the 
issue of things being unknown and thus a bit frightening for many.



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[MBZ] OT: We Will Survive

2020-03-13 Thread Max Dillon via Mercedes

New theme song, sing this as your wash your hands.

https://youtu.be/ARt9HV9T0w8

Six months from now, or even sooner, this will be largely forgotten.


Max Dillon
Charleston SC



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Why Kerry Gold?  Is it that different from/ better than domestic?

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:04 PM Rick Knoble via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

> >Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies?
>
> Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines were
> horrendous. I am very friendly with the fellow at the pharmacy counter, so
> I was able to check out there with my vitamins and Kerry Gold butter. My
> prescription hasn't been filled yet.
>
> It's sad really. I'm surprised more people didn't have cookbooks in their
> carts too. I suspect most of the hoarded supplies will end up going to
> waste.
>
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

*I can't imagine what they think they're going to clean...*

Your house, since it will be teeming with covid-19 loose virii due to your
refusal to disinfect.

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 12:00 PM Curt Raymond via Mercedes <
mercedes@okiebenz.com> wrote:

>  Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP
> yesterday. People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little
> town (about 10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding
> and too dumb to go one town over when something runs out.
> I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't
> imagine what they think they're going to clean...
> -Curt
>
> On Friday, March 13, 2020, 11:47:17 AM EDT, Randy Bennell via Mercedes
>  wrote:
>
>  Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.
>
> We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.
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>Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies?

Yes. Costco and Sam's were empty of beef and chicken. The lines were 
horrendous. I am very friendly with the fellow at the pharmacy counter, so I 
was able to check out there with my vitamins and Kerry Gold butter. My 
prescription hasn't been filled yet. 

It's sad really. I'm surprised more people didn't have cookbooks in their carts 
too. I suspect most of the hoarded supplies will end up going to waste. 

Rick
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Max

LOL.  There is no such thing.

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> Check your email then. I posted a link on banned that is too political to
> be on here.
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Re: [MBZ] Expensive lemon on BAT

I was not passing judgment --  Citro(e)n in French means lemon.  I too have
heard wonderful things about them but have no idea what it takes to
maintain or restore them.

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> On 13/03/2020 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:
> > '73 Citroen currently at $37.5k.  Only the French can dream up such a
> > design.
> >
> >
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-citroen-sm-20/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-13
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> Don't think I agree with you. I know a fellow who had one back when they
> were new. He says it was an amazing car.
>
> I would say the styling was away ahead of its time. It looks like Toyota
> copied it to make the Prius.
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> unique.
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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

 Pharmacy in the city next door (about 20,000 people) ran out of TP yesterday. 
People were buying stupid amounts of cleaners too. Our little town (about 
10,000 folks) had plenty of both.People are foolishly hoarding and too dumb to 
go one town over when something runs out.
I watched two older women buy 10 bottles of Clorox spray cleaner. I can't 
imagine what they think they're going to clean...
-Curt

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 Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.

We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.


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2020-03-13 Thread M. Mitchell Marmel via Mercedes

On Fri, Mar 13, 2020 at 10:47 AM Randy Bennell via Mercedes <
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> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that
> there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.

Apart from the shelves being cleared of TP, my local Dollar General was
pretty much normal when I stopped in a few minutes ago.

-MMM-
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Re: [MBZ] Hey Max

Check your email then. I posted a link on banned that is too political to be on 
here. 

Rick


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Re: [MBZ] It’s hard to tell fact from fiction

Are there any Covid 19 cases reported in Winnipeg or even Canada?  Can you
post a tracking map so we can plan our travel accordingly?

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> Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My
> wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery
> stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that
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On 13/03/2020 10:45 AM, Andrew Strasfogel via Mercedes wrote:

'73 Citroen currently at $37.5k.  Only the French can dream up such a
design.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1973-citroen-sm-20/?utm_source=dailymail_medium=email_campaign=2020-03-13
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Don't think I agree with you. I know a fellow who had one back when they 
were new. He says it was an amazing car.


I would say the styling was away ahead of its time. It looks like Toyota 
copied it to make the Prius.


I don't think I want one, but that does not make it a bad car. It is unique.


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Are you folks seeing lineups of people looking to acquire supplies? My 
wife was talking to a friend in Ohio last night and she said the grocery 
stores were getting close to the point of having empty shelves and that 
there were lineups of people trying to get into WalMart.


We are not having anything of that nature happening here in Winnipeg.


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