[MBZ] OT Vega/GM Bashing

2005-12-04 Thread Rich Thomas
I was out and about today and saw a dark green Vega on the street -- a 2 
door hatchback.  It looked original but was running (it sounded a bit 
clunky, though my high school buddy had one that sounded like that new) 
and was in decent shape body wise.  Too funny. 

I went to the charity auction last spring, and there was an orange one 
there for sale, pretty beat up but mostly intact except for the front 
windshield, some guys there were bidding on it, forgot what they paid, 
but some guy said they are quite popular with drag racers.


--R




Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Canfield
The X package in the Gremlin included heavier springs, a V8 with manual 
transmission and torque links(Think AMX) on the rear axle for traction.  Not 
all of the Gremlin X's got the torque links either(typical of AMC).
 There were 5 body styles available in the Eagle line, the coupe(2 door), 
sedan(4 door), Kammback, SX4 and wagon..I have owned and driven all 5 
and still own 3 sx4's and 3 wagons(one with manual trans, also quite rare in 
the wagons).
 A friend of mine had a 79 Spirit GT with VW/Porsche motor(I thought it was 
a Renault but couldn't remember for sure) and while you are right about it 
not having enough power overall it was geared pretty well in the lower gears 
and was quite fun to drive around town but about useless on highways and 
hills.
 I guess AMC's are kinda like heroinOnce ya start messing with them it 
becomes a terrible addictionI just bought 4 ERTL AMX models(AND I 
actually found a hat printed with the OLD STYLE American Motors emblemI 
freaked out and had to have it while my girlfriend just shook her head and 
laughed at me) in the last few days totalling WAY over $100 just so they can 
sit and collect dust(like AMC's do best..lolol).

 Glad to know I'm not the only FREAK here, Mike
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On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:30:34PM -0400, Mike Canfield wrote:
Usually the only way to get the V8 with a 4 speed was in the X package 
for

the gremlin and in the early SC Hornets.  Mike


X package was more of a trim option than anything. There was a gap after 
the
demise of the javelin where the t-10 wasn't used anymore, and the SR4 
hadn't

been acquired from Borg Warner yet. The four speeds in the gap were a
three speed with laycock overdrive (think gear vendors overdrive). SC 
hornets
were only around for one year (71?), 360v8, four barrel, and either four 
speed

or automatic.


They made them in the Kammback(very short), SX4(longer but still short),
Coupe(a bit longer yet), Sedan( even longer) and finally the Eagle
wagon(same wheelbase a fullsize jeep Cherokee/Wagonneer).


Sedan/wagon were the same wheel base, and the kammback/sx4 were the same
wheelbase. Those were the only four eagles offered. The full size wagoneer 
was
a smidge longer in wheelbase - half a foot I think. I could go measure, I 
have

a 77 cherokee parked next to an 84 eagle wagon.

] They did have some fairly decent cars though, I remember the Matador 
which if

] I'm not mistaken was used as a police cruiser

Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12 was 
a
matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a 
certified
speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny 
coolers,

and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil pan
had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.

} Don't recall the iron duke 151 being used in any AMC?

80-83 CJs, 80-83 eagles, 80-83 spirits. The four banger used in 78-79
was a VW/audi/porsche engine, 121 ci, actually the engine used in the 924
(not renault). Way underpowered for a spirit/concord/etc.

] Sure seems like I'm not going to get by with any AMC slip-ups in this
] crowd.

Not when people around here have a good chunk of the sales literature,
parts books, and a few surviving members in the fleet :)

K

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Canfield

The Matador is WAY bigger than a Hornet.   Mike
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Kevin wrote:


Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12 was 
a
matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a 
certified
speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny 
coolers,
and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil 
pan

had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.


I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, with
Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Canfield
I have seen a couple Matadors with creases in the hoods because of that. 
Mike
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, 
didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, 
with

Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?


That was the Matator Coupe (Scaramanga), which gained some notoriety as
possibly the first mass-production car that became a common insurance
write-off due to the exhorbitant price of one part: the huge hood, with 
its

scalloped shells around the tops of the headlights.

Within a few years of the model's debut, adjusters were choking on the
(IIRC) $1200 price tag for a hood. Pretty horrifying, given that back then
they probably sold for what, 8 grand?

Wasn't there also some semi-urban-legend about those, along the lines that
the early cars shipped with insufficient bracing on the underside of the
hood, and as a result could be bent in two by slamming the hood too hard?

Ii always wanted one.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-13 Thread Harry  M.
The Matador came shortly after the Ambassador of the late 50's and early 60's 
and was similar in size to the Ford LTD and Chevy Caprice

 
Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:19:49PM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote:
 I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, didn't
 Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, with
 Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

In that movie, the hornet was the red car, and the converted plane car
was a matador coupe (the 74-78 body style). The matador coupe is MUCH larger
than a hornet. The police cars were the sedan version of the matador (they
don't look similar until you remove the sheet metal).

Memory serving me, there was fairly heavy use of a couple of mercedes sedans
(114/115?) in that movie as well, just not in the chase scenes.

K

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-13 Thread Harry  M.
You are right about the javelin, the Alabama State Police purchased a few of 
those as pursuit vehicles. As a matter of fact they kept a couple of them they 
use as show cars in parades. My nefiew lives down they and took some pictures 
and ask me if I knew what they were. Thought they a pretty cool looking


Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kevin wrote:
 
 Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12 was a
 matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a certified
 speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny 
 coolers,
 and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil pan
 had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.

I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, with
Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega(Now AMC addicts comparing notes)

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Canfield
MAN did AMC mess up the Javelin when they made that awfull bubble fender 
model!!!  I LOVED my 70...That was a nice body style but just like all NY 
cars was eaten away by the salt and became too dangerous to drive so I sold 
it to a guy doing a resto on one who needed trim pieces.  That's OK I WILL 
have an AMX(68 or 9) to replace it with when the kids are graduated and I 
can get away with a 2 seater again.


Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


You are right about the javelin, the Alabama State Police purchased a few of 
those as pursuit vehicles. As a matter of fact they kept a couple of them 
they use as show cars in parades. My nefiew lives down they and took some 
pictures and ask me if I knew what they were. Thought they a pretty cool 
looking



Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kevin wrote:


Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12 was 
a
matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a 
certified
speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny 
coolers,
and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil 
pan

had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.


I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, with
Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega(Now AMC addicts comparing notes)

2005-09-13 Thread Harry  M.
I think they ended the Javelin production in '73 or '74, but it did get ugly 
after the early 70's model year. The 69 had the best body style in my opinion, 
nice lines to the fenders and those factory Crager SST wheels looked real sharp


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MAN did AMC mess up the Javelin when they made that awfull bubble fender 
model!!!  I LOVED my 70...That was a nice body style but just like all NY 
cars was eaten away by the salt and became too dangerous to drive so I sold 
it to a guy doing a resto on one who needed trim pieces.  That's OK I WILL 
have an AMX(68 or 9) to replace it with when the kids are graduated and I 
can get away with a 2 seater again.

Mike
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Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


You are right about the javelin, the Alabama State Police purchased a few of 
those as pursuit vehicles. As a matter of fact they kept a couple of them 
they use as show cars in parades. My nefiew lives down they and took some 
pictures and ask me if I knew what they were. Thought they a pretty cool 
looking


Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kevin wrote:

 Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12 was 
 a
 matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a 
 certified
 speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny 
 coolers,
 and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil 
 pan
 had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.

I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, with
Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega(Now AMC addicts comparing notes)

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Canfield
IIRC the 70 was the first year for the 401.The 390 was ended in 
69...I am sure I will be corrected if i am off by a year.LOLOL, Mike
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Did the 70 include the addition of the 390 engine option ? Not sure if it 
was available yet on the 69



Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The 70 was the same body style as the 69. Mike
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I think they ended the Javelin production in '73 or '74, but it did get 
ugly

after the early 70's model year. The 69 had the best body style in my
opinion, nice lines to the fenders and those factory Crager SST wheels
looked real sharp


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


MAN did AMC mess up the Javelin when they made that awfull bubble fender
model!!! I LOVED my 70...That was a nice body style but just like all NY
cars was eaten away by the salt and became too dangerous to drive so I 
sold

it to a guy doing a resto on one who needed trim pieces. That's OK I WILL
have an AMX(68 or 9) to replace it with when the kids are graduated and I
can get away with a 2 seater again.

Mike
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From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


You are right about the javelin, the Alabama State Police purchased a few
of
those as pursuit vehicles. As a matter of fact they kept a couple of them
they use as show cars in parades. My nefiew lives down they and took some
pictures and ask me if I knew what they were. Thought they a pretty cool
looking


Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kevin wrote:


Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12
was
a
matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a
certified
speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny
coolers,
and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil
pan
had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.


I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, 
didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, 
with

Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega(Now AMC addicts comparing notes)

2005-09-13 Thread Harry  M.
Could be, if I'm not mistaken the 401 was just a punched out 390


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

IIRC the 70 was the first year for the 401.The 390 was ended in 
69...I am sure I will be corrected if i am off by a year.LOLOL, Mike
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Did the 70 include the addition of the 390 engine option ? Not sure if it 
was available yet on the 69


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The 70 was the same body style as the 69. Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega(Now AMC addicts comparing notes)


I think they ended the Javelin production in '73 or '74, but it did get 
ugly
after the early 70's model year. The 69 had the best body style in my
opinion, nice lines to the fenders and those factory Crager SST wheels
looked real sharp


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MAN did AMC mess up the Javelin when they made that awfull bubble fender
model!!! I LOVED my 70...That was a nice body style but just like all NY
cars was eaten away by the salt and became too dangerous to drive so I 
sold
it to a guy doing a resto on one who needed trim pieces. That's OK I WILL
have an AMX(68 or 9) to replace it with when the kids are graduated and I
can get away with a 2 seater again.

Mike
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From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2005 8:49 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


You are right about the javelin, the Alabama State Police purchased a few
of
those as pursuit vehicles. As a matter of fact they kept a couple of them
they use as show cars in parades. My nefiew lives down they and took some
pictures and ask me if I knew what they were. Thought they a pretty cool
looking


Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Kevin wrote:

 Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12
 was
 a
 matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a
 certified
 speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny
 coolers,
 and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil
 pan
 had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.

I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, 
didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, 
with
Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega(Now AMC addicts comparing notes)

2005-09-13 Thread Mike Canfield
I think I recall the 401 is more similar to the 360.Something about the 
angle of the heads where they meet the intake or something like 
thatI'll have to look that one up sometime, Mike
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Could be, if I'm not mistaken the 401 was just a punched out 390


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IIRC the 70 was the first year for the 401.The 390 was ended in
69...I am sure I will be corrected if i am off by a year.LOLOL, 
Mike
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Did the 70 include the addition of the 390 engine option ? Not sure if it
was available yet on the 69


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


The 70 was the same body style as the 69. Mike
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I think they ended the Javelin production in '73 or '74, but it did get
ugly
after the early 70's model year. The 69 had the best body style in my
opinion, nice lines to the fenders and those factory Crager SST wheels
looked real sharp


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


MAN did AMC mess up the Javelin when they made that awfull bubble fender
model!!! I LOVED my 70...That was a nice body style but just like all NY
cars was eaten away by the salt and became too dangerous to drive so I
sold
it to a guy doing a resto on one who needed trim pieces. That's OK I WILL
have an AMX(68 or 9) to replace it with when the kids are graduated and I
can get away with a 2 seater again.

Mike
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You are right about the javelin, the Alabama State Police purchased a few
of
those as pursuit vehicles. As a matter of fact they kept a couple of them
they use as show cars in parades. My nefiew lives down they and took some
pictures and ask me if I knew what they were. Thought they a pretty cool
looking


Mitch Haley [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Kevin wrote:


Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12
was
a
matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a
certified
speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny
coolers,
and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil
pan
had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.


I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun,
didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet,
with
Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega/Matador

2005-09-13 Thread Mitch Haley

  Within a few years of the model's debut, adjusters were choking on the
  (IIRC) $1200 price tag for a hood. Pretty horrifying, given that back then
  they probably sold for what, 8 grand?

I checked an old price guide, they had the 6 cyl coupe a little over 3k, and
a Matador X coupe with V8 at $3348 in 1974. A bit under $5k in '78 with V8.



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-12 Thread Peter Frederick

I think the turbo got CIS to deal with air flow around the turbo.

Later Volvo turbos had LH-Jetronic, as my sister's 740 turbo did.

Peter
On Sunday, September 11, 2005, at 03:29  PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


Peter Frederick wrote:

L-Jet?

in 75 I'd have though it was D-Jet, same as the 73 Fastback my sister
had.  She sold it because the fuel injectors and lines kept leaking,
was afraid it would catch fire.  I've seen far too many VW's burning 
on

the side of the road, probably a good idea!


Nope, L-Jet.  1975 was the first year for fuel injection on the Bus,
too.  VW stuck with similar systems all the way through the end of the
Vanagon production run -- aircooled and watercooled gas Vanagons got
Digifant or Digijet, which used many of the same components but had 
more

sophisticated ECUs.  They held onto what I think is the worst part of
the system, the mechanical mass airflow sensor.

Volvo used LH-Jetronic for years on the Volvo 240.  It was a similar
system to L-Jet, but used a hotwire airflow sensor instead of the
mechanical flap.  Turbocharged 240s got CIS instead, for some reason.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-12 Thread Potter, Tom E
IIRC, the early 60s small Pontiac or Oldsmobile was the first to have the Iron 
Duke installed in them. These were small cars about the size of the Corvair.

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Couldn't be to far back since GM didn't have many 4 bangers in the 70's with 
the exception of the aluminum block 4 cyl in the Vega. The Citation came out in 
79 with its sister car from Pontiac. It was Pontiac's idea to name it the iron 
duke in the early 80's


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

The GM Iron Duke 2.5 goes WAY back before the Citation.  Mike
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Don't recall the iron duke 151 being used in any AMC? If my memory serves me 
right it was first used in GM's X bodies like the Citation

Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 12:48:21PM -0400, Harry ?M.) wrote:
 what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 
 200
 cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.

That was the eagle. Two engine options, 258 2bbl or a 2.5L four (depending
on year, it was either the pontiac 151 or the AMC 150). In addition to the
wagons (have two with sticks and a parts wagon), they made four door 
sedans,
two door hatchbacks (called an SX4, had one with a five speed), and two
door sedans (sometimes called a kammback, think 4wd gremlin).

Absolutely unstoppable in the snow, and actually a fairly decent car to
drive. My 84 with a dead fifth gear would still get 22-24 mpg on the 
freeway.
It was my daily driver before the crown vic, which preceeded the flock of
diesels.

K

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-12 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 09:30:34PM -0400, Mike Canfield wrote:
 Usually the only way to get the V8 with a 4 speed was in the X package for 
 the gremlin and in the early SC Hornets.  Mike

X package was more of a trim option than anything. There was a gap after the
demise of the javelin where the t-10 wasn't used anymore, and the SR4 hadn't
been acquired from Borg Warner yet. The four speeds in the gap were a
three speed with laycock overdrive (think gear vendors overdrive). SC hornets
were only around for one year (71?), 360v8, four barrel, and either four speed
or automatic. 

 They made them in the Kammback(very short), SX4(longer but still short),
 Coupe(a bit longer yet), Sedan( even longer) and finally the Eagle
 wagon(same wheelbase a fullsize jeep Cherokee/Wagonneer).

Sedan/wagon were the same wheel base, and the kammback/sx4 were the same
wheelbase. Those were the only four eagles offered. The full size wagoneer was
a smidge longer in wheelbase - half a foot I think. I could go measure, I have
a 77 cherokee parked next to an 84 eagle wagon.

] They did have some fairly decent cars though, I remember the Matador which if
] I'm not mistaken was used as a police cruiser

Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12 was a
matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a certified
speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny coolers,
and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil pan
had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.

} Don't recall the iron duke 151 being used in any AMC?

80-83 CJs, 80-83 eagles, 80-83 spirits. The four banger used in 78-79
was a VW/audi/porsche engine, 121 ci, actually the engine used in the 924
(not renault). Way underpowered for a spirit/concord/etc.

] Sure seems like I'm not going to get by with any AMC slip-ups in this
] crowd.

Not when people around here have a good chunk of the sales literature, 
parts books, and a few surviving members in the fleet :)

K



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-12 Thread Mitch Haley
Kevin wrote:
 
 Matadors and Ambassadors were used for police vehicles. IIRC, Adam-12 was a
 matador. There wasn't a police package like Ford, but there was a certified
 speedo, and police cars usually got 401s, front and rear sways, tranny 
 coolers,
 and bigger brakes. The engine was identical to civilian except the oil pan
 had baffles. Alabama used to use javelins as pursuit vehicles.

I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, didn't
Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, with
Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-12 Thread Kevin
On Mon, Sep 12, 2005 at 05:19:49PM -0400, Mitch Haley wrote:
 I thought a Matador was a Hornet coupe. In Man with a Golden Gun, didn't
 Bond and the redneck sheriff chase Scaramanga and Tattoo in a Hornet, with
 Scaramanga driving a Matador which converted into an airplane?

In that movie, the hornet was the red car, and the converted plane car
was a matador coupe (the 74-78 body style). The matador coupe is MUCH larger
than a hornet. The police cars were the sedan version of the matador (they
don't look similar until you remove the sheet metal).

Memory serving me, there was fairly heavy use of a couple of mercedes sedans
(114/115?) in that movie as well, just not in the chase scenes.

K



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-11 Thread David Brodbeck
Rick Knoble wrote:
 I had a '78 BMW 530i. Same thing, L-Jetronic w/points. It also had these
 stainless steel exhaust manifolds called reactors. If I had it to do over
 again, I would fabricate intake manifolds and put on Webers. THAT car was a
 money pit...

After lots of problems with my '75 VW Bus, I eventually ripped out the
L-Jet and put on a Weber 32/36 progressive carb.  Fuel economy and
reliability improved, but there was an icing problem due to the long
intake runners that I never really solved.  Throttle response suffered
as well, because the carb was so far from the heads, but no one drives a
VW Bus for its throttle response.

The L-Jet was great when it worked -- in cold weather, especially, it
would start right up every time.  If you could get the engine to crank
over three times, it would always start, no matter how slowly it was
cranking.  But L-Jet had no limp-home modes, and combined with
25-year-old wiring and poorly-designed connectors, that made for really
poor reliability.



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-11 Thread David Brodbeck
Russ Maki wrote:
 The Spirit (a co-worker had one) was a POS -- the last gasp of AMC. The 
 Eagle was a pretty durable set of wheels.  Its rear seal issues weren't 
 that rare among US straight sixes, as I recall. .I know many of the 
 Fords I drove during the period had similar problems.

I had two Ford 302 V-8s experience rear main seal problems, too.  In one
of them, which was in a '90 Econoline, the leak was slow enough and the
vehicle worn enough that I just fed its habit.  The leak reached a peak
of 1 qt. per 300 miles then slacked off to 1 qt. per 800 miles, for
reasons I still don't understand.



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-11 Thread David Brodbeck
Fmiser wrote:
 My 1972 W108 had electronic fuel injection and points to trigger the
 electronic ignition.
 
 Points were a _very_ mature technology at that time, and with no high
 voltage on them they will last a long, long, time.

Agreed, but unfortunately VW was still running the full coil current
through them at the time.



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Frederick

L-Jet?

in 75 I'd have though it was D-Jet, same as the 73 Fastback my sister 
had.  She sold it because the fuel injectors and lines kept leaking, 
was afraid it would catch fire.  I've seen far too many VW's burning on 
the side of the road, probably a good idea!


Peter

On Saturday, September 10, 2005, at 10:46  PM, David Brodbeck wrote:


Rick Knoble wrote:
I had a '78 BMW 530i. Same thing, L-Jetronic w/points. It also had 
these
stainless steel exhaust manifolds called reactors. If I had it to 
do over
again, I would fabricate intake manifolds and put on Webers. THAT car 
was a

money pit...


After lots of problems with my '75 VW Bus, I eventually ripped out the
L-Jet and put on a Weber 32/36 progressive carb.  Fuel economy and
reliability improved, but there was an icing problem due to the long
intake runners that I never really solved.  Throttle response suffered
as well, because the carb was so far from the heads, but no one drives 
a

VW Bus for its throttle response.

The L-Jet was great when it worked -- in cold weather, especially, it
would start right up every time.  If you could get the engine to crank
over three times, it would always start, no matter how slowly it was
cranking.  But L-Jet had no limp-home modes, and combined with
25-year-old wiring and poorly-designed connectors, that made for really
poor reliability.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-11 Thread Harry  M.
I always thought VW used the simpler CIS injection

Peter Frederick [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

L-Jet?

in 75 I'd have though it was D-Jet, same as the 73 Fastback my sister 
had.  She sold it because the fuel injectors and lines kept leaking, 
was afraid it would catch fire.  I've seen far too many VW's burning on 
the side of the road, probably a good idea!

Peter

On Saturday, September 10, 2005, at 10:46  PM, David Brodbeck wrote:

 Rick Knoble wrote:
 I had a '78 BMW 530i. Same thing, L-Jetronic w/points. It also had 
 these
 stainless steel exhaust manifolds called reactors. If I had it to 
 do over
 again, I would fabricate intake manifolds and put on Webers. THAT car 
 was a
 money pit...

 After lots of problems with my '75 VW Bus, I eventually ripped out the
 L-Jet and put on a Weber 32/36 progressive carb.  Fuel economy and
 reliability improved, but there was an icing problem due to the long
 intake runners that I never really solved.  Throttle response suffered
 as well, because the carb was so far from the heads, but no one drives 
 a
 VW Bus for its throttle response.

 The L-Jet was great when it worked -- in cold weather, especially, it
 would start right up every time.  If you could get the engine to crank
 over three times, it would always start, no matter how slowly it was
 cranking.  But L-Jet had no limp-home modes, and combined with
 25-year-old wiring and poorly-designed connectors, that made for really
 poor reliability.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-11 Thread Peter Frederick
K-jet came out around 74 or 75 -- up to that time, only D-Jet was 
available.  LH-Jet came along about then, too.


K-jet (CIS) was the best, as far as I'm concerned, but I don't think it 
was ever installed on the flat four, which was on it's way out by then. 
 VW put D-Jet on the flat four in 1968 - fastback and wagon had twin 
webers before that.


To change over to carbs, I would have advised getting the manifolds off 
the earlier engine along with the carbs and installing the air pre-heat 
system to solve the icing problem -- that's why they all had pre-heat.


Peter




Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-11 Thread David Brodbeck
Peter Frederick wrote:
 L-Jet?
 
 in 75 I'd have though it was D-Jet, same as the 73 Fastback my sister 
 had.  She sold it because the fuel injectors and lines kept leaking, 
 was afraid it would catch fire.  I've seen far too many VW's burning on 
 the side of the road, probably a good idea!

Nope, L-Jet.  1975 was the first year for fuel injection on the Bus,
too.  VW stuck with similar systems all the way through the end of the
Vanagon production run -- aircooled and watercooled gas Vanagons got
Digifant or Digijet, which used many of the same components but had more
sophisticated ECUs.  They held onto what I think is the worst part of
the system, the mechanical mass airflow sensor.

Volvo used LH-Jetronic for years on the Volvo 240.  It was a similar
system to L-Jet, but used a hotwire airflow sensor instead of the
mechanical flap.  Turbocharged 240s got CIS instead, for some reason.



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield

That would have been either a 232 or 258 six.  Mike
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When I worked at Budget we had the Levis edition Gremlins with the 
straight
sixes (was it a 252?), including the tiny dished sport steering wheel and 
NO

POWER STEERING. Really nice handling beast under way, but evil, evil thing
to parallel park. We gave up trying to rent them to women, as they all
brought them back and complained within hours.

We had Hornets and Pacers as well. Whomever purchased the Pacers after got 
a

good deal, as they were low mileage (no one wanted them) -- except for the
wagons, which people found to be a useful size for small chores.

Mac

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I remember the Hornet well...Had a 77 Hornet AMX304
automatic.One of less than 374 made and still isn't worth 
much.;)

Mike
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You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It 
was
Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a 
V8

and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet?



Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited
slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!! It also has the limited edition Levi's
edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into
it.
Wish I still had that one!!!
Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of
tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
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Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car
and
Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could
really smoke em...


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I 
try

to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
garage...Mike
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Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega



Hi, All.
OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a
1970
Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a 
critical

review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
(sicko's).
Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman
1c,
dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
TTFN and off to bed.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel diving tomorrow.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield
AMC?  Funny looking???   ROTFLMAO  AMC had so many funny looking cars 
that that question could have numerous answers..In the early 70's the 
Jeepster Comando was pretty ugly but you are probably referring to the Eagle 
Kammback...Kind of like a cross between a Gremlin and a Concord with four 
wheel drive.


Mike
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what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200 
cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.



Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


When I worked at Budget we had the Levis edition Gremlins with the straight
sixes (was it a 252?), including the tiny dished sport steering wheel and 
NO

POWER STEERING. Really nice handling beast under way, but evil, evil thing
to parallel park. We gave up trying to rent them to women, as they all
brought them back and complained within hours.

We had Hornets and Pacers as well. Whomever purchased the Pacers after got 
a

good deal, as they were low mileage (no one wanted them) -- except for the
wagons, which people found to be a useful size for small chores.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I remember the Hornet well...Had a 77 Hornet AMX304
automatic.One of less than 374 made and still isn't worth 
much.;)

Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It 
was
Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a 
V8

and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet?



Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited
slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!! It also has the limited edition Levi's
edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into
it.
Wish I still had that one!!!
Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of
tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
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From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car
and
Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could
really smoke em...


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I 
try

to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
garage...Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega



Hi, All.
OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a
1970
Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a 
critical

review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
(sicko's).
Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman
1c,
dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
TTFN and off to bed.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield
That was an Eagle coupe you saw in the yard  Great cars in thier day and if 
I could find a solid one I would probably still drive it.Just junked it 
the other dayI have 6 more for parts...OH what an addiction that 
was..Mike
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 
200

cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.


I don't remember the name, but Mike has one! I saw it when I picked up the
240d, and I was going to ask him about it.

Some people use them for winter cars here still, and swear by them.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield
Usually the only way to get the V8 with a 4 speed was in the X package for 
the gremlin and in the early SC Hornets.  Mike
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On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 11:51:13PM -0400, Harry ?M.) wrote:
You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It 
was

Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a
V8 and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet?


Very uncommon engine and trans option for the gremlin (even hornet), 
usually

the v8 was an automatic, or that failing, a three speed, since the four
speed was virtually non-existent with the demise of the javelin.

Vividly remember the hornet, have two wagons (sportabouts), both with
v8/automatics. The tan one needs a transmission now, but before that was
quite the little sleeper. The green one I don't drive much it's one
of the limited edition gucci interior ones.

Anyone interested in reliving an acid trip they were on in the early
seventies, check out:
http://www.punk.net/~kevin/gucci1.jpg
http://www.punk.net/~kevin/gucci4.jpg

But seriously, can't we be talking about wacky paint schemes on W109s or
something? It's pretty sad when a Mercedes list is getting off on how 
weird

AMC/Rambler/Vega/Pinto/etc were...

K

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread David Brodbeck
JabbaHursty wrote:
 my old VW rabbit had no power steering and no power brake, but was CIS fuel 
 injected.  points ignition.  german made.

What really struck me as bizarre were the early D-Jetronic and
L-Jetronic cars, like the mid-70s Beetles and Buses.  Electronic fuel
injection, but points ignition.  Huh?



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Rick Knoble
I had a '78 BMW 530i. Same thing, L-Jetronic w/points. It also had these
stainless steel exhaust manifolds called reactors. If I had it to do over
again, I would fabricate intake manifolds and put on Webers. THAT car was a
money pit...
Rick Knoble
1985 300 CD


 What really struck me as bizarre were the early D-Jetronic and
 L-Jetronic cars, like the mid-70s Beetles and Buses.  Electronic fuel
 injection, but points ignition.  Huh?



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Harry  M.
thats it the AMC Eagle, if I remember correctly they had good ground clearance, 
but a short wheel base


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

That was an Eagle coupe you saw in the yard  Great cars in thier day and if 
I could find a solid one I would probably still drive it.Just junked it 
the other dayI have 6 more for parts...OH what an addiction that 
was..Mike
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 1:14 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

 what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 
 200
 cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.

 I don't remember the name, but Mike has one! I saw it when I picked up the
 240d, and I was going to ask him about it.

 Some people use them for winter cars here still, and swear by them.

 Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Harry  M.
They did have some fairly decent cars though, I remember the Matador which if 
I'm not mistaken was used as a police cruiser. The 4 wheel drive I was thinking 
about was the Eagle. 

Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

AMC?  Funny looking???   ROTFLMAO  AMC had so many funny looking cars 
that that question could have numerous answers..In the early 70's the 
Jeepster Comando was pretty ugly but you are probably referring to the Eagle 
Kammback...Kind of like a cross between a Gremlin and a Concord with four 
wheel drive.

Mike
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Sent: Friday, September 09, 2005 12:48 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200 
cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.


Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When I worked at Budget we had the Levis edition Gremlins with the straight
sixes (was it a 252?), including the tiny dished sport steering wheel and 
NO
POWER STEERING. Really nice handling beast under way, but evil, evil thing
to parallel park. We gave up trying to rent them to women, as they all
brought them back and complained within hours.

We had Hornets and Pacers as well. Whomever purchased the Pacers after got 
a
good deal, as they were low mileage (no one wanted them) -- except for the
wagons, which people found to be a useful size for small chores.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I remember the Hornet well...Had a 77 Hornet AMX304
 automatic.One of less than 374 made and still isn't worth 
 much.;)
 Mike
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 From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


 You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It 
 was
 Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a 
 V8
 and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet?



 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited
 slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!! It also has the limited edition Levi's
 edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into
 it.
 Wish I still had that one!!!
 Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of
 tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


 Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car
 and
 Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could
 really smoke em...


 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I 
 try
 to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
 garage...Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega


 Hi, All.
 OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
 Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a
 1970
 Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
 engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a 
 critical
 review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
 (sicko's).
 Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
 Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman
 1c,
 dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
 squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
 TTFN and off to bed.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Harry  M.
Don't recall the iron duke 151 being used in any AMC? If my memory serves me 
right it was first used in GM's X bodies like the Citation

Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 12:48:21PM -0400, Harry ?M.) wrote:
 what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200 
 cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had. 

That was the eagle. Two engine options, 258 2bbl or a 2.5L four (depending 
on year, it was either the pontiac 151 or the AMC 150). In addition to the 
wagons (have two with sticks and a parts wagon), they made four door sedans,
two door hatchbacks (called an SX4, had one with a five speed), and two
door sedans (sometimes called a kammback, think 4wd gremlin).

Absolutely unstoppable in the snow, and actually a fairly decent car to
drive. My 84 with a dead fifth gear would still get 22-24 mpg on the freeway.
It was my daily driver before the crown vic, which preceeded the flock of
diesels. 

K

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Harry  M.
got a memory jolt, it was the Eagle



Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

 what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200
 cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.

I don't remember the name, but Mike has one! I saw it when I picked up the
240d, and I was going to ask him about it.

Some people use them for winter cars here still, and swear by them.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread kevin kraly

what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200

cid.


You must be talking about the AMC Eagle.  The 6 cylinder engine were 4.2L 
258 CID, and many had rear main seal problems including the one that we had. 
It was a wonderful winter car while living in Bend, OR.  The college is 
built on a hill, and if you didn't have a 4WD on a snowy winters day, you 
didn't get up there!  Rather than  having the rear main seal and clutch 
replaced, we shoulda just dropped a 617.95x turbodiesel  into it!


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie 






Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Russ Maki
Remember the Spirit? It was kind of a downsized FWD Eagle. AMC launched 
the line in late 1978 or '79 with ceremonies in communities across the 
country named Spirit, including the settlement of Spirit, Wis., near the 
hometown of our listmate Meade Dillon.


I was there with camera and notepad to scribble over the unveiling -- 
they biggest thing that EVER happened in Spirit, Wis., I'm sure.


The Spirit (a co-worker had one) was a POS -- the last gasp of AMC. The 
Eagle was a pretty durable set of wheels.  Its rear seal issues weren't 
that rare among US straight sixes, as I recall. .I know many of the 
Fords I drove during the period had similar problems.


Russ Maki
Ixonia, Wis.
(With a 6-cyl '53 Ford F-100 in the garage -- no oil leaks so far)

kevin kraly wrote:


what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200
 


cid.
 



You must be talking about the AMC Eagle.  The 6 cylinder engine were 4.2L 
258 CID, and many had rear main seal problems including the one that we had. 
It was a wonderful winter car while living in Bend, OR.  The college is 
built on a hill, and if you didn't have a 4WD on a snowy winters day, you 
didn't get up there!  Rather than  having the rear main seal and clutch 
replaced, we shoulda just dropped a 617.95x turbodiesel  into it!


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie 




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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread kevin kraly

Remember the Spirit? It was kind of a downsized FWD Eagle.

Yes, it did share body panels with the Eagle 2 DR HB, but I didn't know that 
it was FWD!  A friend of mine had one that also had a bad main seal (kind of 
like a perpetual oil change).  It did manage to stay running most of the 
time though.


Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie 






Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield
They made them in the Kammback(very short), SX4(longer but still short), 
Coupe(a bit longer yet), Sedan( even longer) and finally the Eagle 
wagon(same wheelbase a fullsize jeep Cherokee/Wagonneer).


Mike
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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 1:01 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


thats it the AMC Eagle, if I remember correctly they had good ground 
clearance, but a short wheel base



Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


That was an Eagle coupe you saw in the yard Great cars in thier day and if
I could find a solid one I would probably still drive it.Just junked it
the other dayI have 6 more for parts...OH what an addiction that
was..Mike
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega



[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:


what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were
200
cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.


I don't remember the name, but Mike has one! I saw it when I picked up 
the

240d, and I was going to ask him about it.

Some people use them for winter cars here still, and swear by them.

Mac


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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield

The GM Iron Duke 2.5 goes WAY back before the Citation.  Mike
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Don't recall the iron duke 151 being used in any AMC? If my memory serves me 
right it was first used in GM's X bodies like the Citation


Kevin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 12:48:21PM -0400, Harry ?M.) wrote:
what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 
200

cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.


That was the eagle. Two engine options, 258 2bbl or a 2.5L four (depending
on year, it was either the pontiac 151 or the AMC 150). In addition to the
wagons (have two with sticks and a parts wagon), they made four door 
sedans,

two door hatchbacks (called an SX4, had one with a five speed), and two
door sedans (sometimes called a kammback, think 4wd gremlin).

Absolutely unstoppable in the snow, and actually a fairly decent car to
drive. My 84 with a dead fifth gear would still get 22-24 mpg on the 
freeway.

It was my daily driver before the crown vic, which preceeded the flock of
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K

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield
The Spirit was NOT a FWD car.  It shared the same platform as the Eagle SX4. 
It was available with the 2.5 or the 258 six.  The spirit GT had a hot 
little Renault(I think) 4banger in it and was quite quick.  The Spirit 
AMX(78-80) was the nicest and very limited production.  The nicest thing 
about them using the same chasis was that all of the older V8 stuff will 
bolt right into them(including space left for dual exhaust).


Mike
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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:07 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega



Remember the Spirit? It was kind of a downsized FWD Eagle. AMC launched
the line in late 1978 or '79 with ceremonies in communities across the
country named Spirit, including the settlement of Spirit, Wis., near the
hometown of our listmate Meade Dillon.

I was there with camera and notepad to scribble over the unveiling -- 
they biggest thing that EVER happened in Spirit, Wis., I'm sure.


The Spirit (a co-worker had one) was a POS -- the last gasp of AMC. The
Eagle was a pretty durable set of wheels.  Its rear seal issues weren't
that rare among US straight sixes, as I recall. .I know many of the
Fords I drove during the period had similar problems.

Russ Maki
Ixonia, Wis.
(With a 6-cyl '53 Ford F-100 in the garage -- no oil leaks so far)

kevin kraly wrote:

what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 
200




cid.




You must be talking about the AMC Eagle.  The 6 cylinder engine were 4.2L
258 CID, and many had rear main seal problems including the one that we 
had.

It was a wonderful winter car while living in Bend, OR.  The college is
built on a hill, and if you didn't have a 4WD on a snowy winters day, you
didn't get up there!  Rather than  having the rear main seal and clutch
replaced, we shoulda just dropped a 617.95x turbodiesel  into it!

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

1978 300CD 200K+ miles, Vinnie



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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Mike Canfield

It wasn't.Mike
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Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2005 3:17 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega



Remember the Spirit? It was kind of a downsized FWD Eagle.

Yes, it did share body panels with the Eagle 2 DR HB, but I didn't know 
that
it was FWD!  A friend of mine had one that also had a bad main seal (kind 
of

like a perpetual oil change).  It did manage to stay running most of the
time though.

Kevin in Hillsboro Oregon

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Russ Maki

Mike Canfield wrote:

The Spirit was NOT a FWD car.  

Oops, my mistake. It kind of stuck in my mind that way because at that 
point the Big Three were all rushing FWD platforms into production 
(Horizon, Escort, Citation). The gang at Kenosha had to be different.


Sure seems like I'm not going to get by with any AMC slip-ups in this 
crowd.


How about that Matador? ;)

Russ



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-10 Thread Fmiser
rumor has it that David wrote:

 JabbaHursty wrote:
  my old VW rabbit had no power steering and no power brake, but was CIS fuel 
  injected.  points ignition.  german made.
 
 What really struck me as bizarre were the early D-Jetronic and
 L-Jetronic cars, like the mid-70s Beetles and Buses.  Electronic fuel
 injection, but points ignition.  Huh?

My 1972 W108 had electronic fuel injection and points to trigger the
electronic ignition.

Points were a _very_ mature technology at that time, and with no high
voltage on them they will last a long, long, time.

  Philip, former W108 owner.





Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Harry  M.
You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It was 
Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a V8 and 
4 speed. Remember the Hornet? 



Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited 
slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!!  It also has the limited edition Levi's 
edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into it. 
Wish I still had that one!!!
  Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of 
tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car and 
Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could 
really smoke em...


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try
to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
garage...Mike
- Original Message - 
From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega


 Hi, All.
 OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
 Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a 1970
 Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
 engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
 review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
 (sicko's).
 Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
 Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman 1c,
 dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
 squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
 TTFN and off to bed.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel diving tomorrow.



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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Harry  M.
There was a smaller V8 they used for the Monza too, I think it was a 262


Dan Weeks [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Yeah, but they needed an alignment every other week.

I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread OK Don
My great uncle was an entomologist. The year after he died, my great
aunt needed a new car, so she bought a grasshopper green hornet in
memory of him.

On 9/9/05, Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I remember the Hornet well...Had a 77 Hornet AMX304
 automatic.One of less than 374 made and still isn't worth much.;)
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Steve MacSween
When I worked at Budget we had the Levis edition Gremlins with the straight
sixes (was it a 252?), including the tiny dished sport steering wheel and NO
POWER STEERING. Really nice handling beast under way, but evil, evil thing
to parallel park. We gave up trying to rent them to women, as they all
brought them back and complained within hours.

We had Hornets and Pacers as well. Whomever purchased the Pacers after got a
good deal, as they were low mileage (no one wanted them) -- except for the
wagons, which people found to be a useful size for small chores.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I remember the Hornet well...Had a 77 Hornet AMX304
 automatic.One of less than 374 made and still isn't worth much.;)
 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
 You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It was
 Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a V8
 and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet?
 
 
 
 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited
 slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!! It also has the limited edition Levi's
 edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into
 it.
 Wish I still had that one!!!
 Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of
 tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
 Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car
 and
 Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could
 really smoke em...
 
 
 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try
 to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
 garage...Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
 Hi, All.
 OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
 Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a
 1970
 Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
 engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
 review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
 (sicko's).
 Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
 Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman
 1c,
 dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
 squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
 TTFN and off to bed.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel diving tomorrow.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Gabriel S.
Maddness? He's giving something away, Jesuse Christ...leave the man alone 
you freakin computer geek!

On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
  STOP THE MADNESS.
  
 
  I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has 
 resulted in 
  this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux? 
 
 I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed 
 the 305 into.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Harry  M.
what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200 
cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had. 


Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

When I worked at Budget we had the Levis edition Gremlins with the straight
sixes (was it a 252?), including the tiny dished sport steering wheel and NO
POWER STEERING. Really nice handling beast under way, but evil, evil thing
to parallel park. We gave up trying to rent them to women, as they all
brought them back and complained within hours.

We had Hornets and Pacers as well. Whomever purchased the Pacers after got a
good deal, as they were low mileage (no one wanted them) -- except for the
wagons, which people found to be a useful size for small chores.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I remember the Hornet well...Had a 77 Hornet AMX304
 automatic.One of less than 374 made and still isn't worth much.;)
 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
 You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It was
 Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a V8
 and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet?
 
 
 
 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited
 slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!! It also has the limited edition Levi's
 edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into
 it.
 Wish I still had that one!!!
 Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of
 tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:51 PM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
 Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car
 and
 Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could
 really smoke em...
 
 
 Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try
 to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
 garage...Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
 Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
 Hi, All.
 OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
 Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a
 1970
 Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
 engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
 review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
 (sicko's).
 Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
 Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman
 1c,
 dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
 squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
 TTFN and off to bed.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel diving tomorrow.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Harry  M.
I had a Rabbit, it was a 84 with a Diesel and probably one of the best cars I 
ever owned. 45mpg with the air going and I sold it with 380,000 miles on it and 
it was still going strong. 


JabbaHursty [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

my old VW rabbit had no power steering and no power brake, but was CIS fuel 
injected.  points ignition.  german made.

gawd, that was a great little car. 4 on the floor.  top speed of 97 mph but 
it could do it all day long.

At 09:57 AM 9/9/2005, you wrote:
When I worked at Budget we had the Levis edition Gremlins with the straight
sixes (was it a 252?), including the tiny dished sport steering wheel and NO
POWER STEERING. Really nice handling beast under way, but evil, evil thing
to parallel park. We gave up trying to rent them to women, as they all
brought them back and complained within hours.

We had Hornets and Pacers as well. Whomever purchased the Pacers after got a
good deal, as they were low mileage (no one wanted them) -- except for the
wagons, which people found to be a useful size for small chores.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I remember the Hornet well...Had a 77 Hornet AMX304
  automatic.One of less than 374 made and still isn't worth much.;)
  Mike
  - Original Message -
  From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
  You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. 
 It was
  Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a V8
  and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet?
 
 
 
  Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited
  slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!! It also has the limited edition Levi's
  edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into
  it.
  Wish I still had that one!!!
  Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of
  tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
  - Original Message -
  From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:51 PM
  Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
  Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car
  and
  Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could
  really smoke em...
 
 
  Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC 
 nut!!!...I try
  to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
  garage...Mike
  - Original Message -
  From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
  Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
  Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
  Hi, All.
  OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
  Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a
  1970
  Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
  engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
  review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
  (sicko's).
  Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
  Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman
  1c,
  dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
  squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
  TTFN and off to bed.
  Fred Moir
  Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Steve MacSween
[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

 what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200
 cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had.

I don't remember the name, but Mike has one! I saw it when I picked up the
240d, and I was going to ask him about it.

Some people use them for winter cars here still, and swear by them.

Mac




Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Kevin
On Fri, Sep 09, 2005 at 12:48:21PM -0400, Harry ?M.) wrote:
 what was that funny looking 4 wheel drive they had? I think the 6's were 200 
 cid. At least I think I remember seeing that on the Hornet a friend had. 

That was the eagle. Two engine options, 258 2bbl or a 2.5L four (depending 
on year, it was either the pontiac 151 or the AMC 150). In addition to the 
wagons (have two with sticks and a parts wagon), they made four door sedans,
two door hatchbacks (called an SX4, had one with a five speed), and two
door sedans (sometimes called a kammback, think 4wd gremlin).

Absolutely unstoppable in the snow, and actually a fairly decent car to
drive. My 84 with a dead fifth gear would still get 22-24 mpg on the freeway.
It was my daily driver before the crown vic, which preceeded the flock of
diesels. 

K



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-09 Thread Kevin
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 11:51:13PM -0400, Harry ?M.) wrote:
 You won't believe this, but thats exactly the same car they profiled. It was 
 Classic Car and Driver on the Gremlin with Levis interior. Yellow with a 
 V8 and 4 speed. Remember the Hornet? 

Very uncommon engine and trans option for the gremlin (even hornet), usually
the v8 was an automatic, or that failing, a three speed, since the four
speed was virtually non-existent with the demise of the javelin.

Vividly remember the hornet, have two wagons (sportabouts), both with 
v8/automatics. The tan one needs a transmission now, but before that was
quite the little sleeper. The green one I don't drive much it's one
of the limited edition gucci interior ones. 

Anyone interested in reliving an acid trip they were on in the early 
seventies, check out:
http://www.punk.net/~kevin/gucci1.jpg
http://www.punk.net/~kevin/gucci4.jpg

But seriously, can't we be talking about wacky paint schemes on W109s or
something? It's pretty sad when a Mercedes list is getting off on how weird
AMC/Rambler/Vega/Pinto/etc were...

K



[MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread frederick w moir

Hi, All.
	OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the 
Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a 1970 
Car Life magazine with an article about the  XP-887 engine , read Vega, 
engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical 
review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask. (sicko's).
	Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course 
Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman 1c, 
dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws 
squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).

TTFN and off to bed.
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel diving tomorrow.





Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread LT Don
STOP THE MADNESS.

I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has resulted 
in this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux? 

Don


On 9/7/05, frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Hi, All.
 OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
 Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a 1970
 Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
 engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
 review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask. 
 (sicko's).
 Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
 Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman 1c,
 dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
 squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
 TTFN and off to bed.
 Fred Moir
 Lynn MA
 Diesel diving tomorrow.
 
 
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Mike Canfield
Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try 
to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my 
garage...Mike
- Original Message - 
From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega



Hi, All.
OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a 1970
Car Life magazine with an article about the  XP-887 engine , read Vega,
engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask. 
(sicko's).

Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman 1c,
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TTFN and off to bed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Steve MacSween
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 STOP THE MADNESS.
 
 I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has resulted in
 this discussion.  Anyone want to talk about Linux?

I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed
the 305 into.

Mac 


Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread LT Don
I sort of liked my '78 Pinto. 

On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
 
  STOP THE MADNESS.
  
 
  I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has 
 resulted in 
  this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux? 
 
 I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed 
 the 305 into.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Harry  M.
No offense, but since when was it madness to discuss the quirky cars we all 
used to own? Its car talk;;; geez



LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.

On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 

  STOP THE MADNESS.
 

  I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has
 resulted in
  this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux?

 I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed
 the 305 into.

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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Harry  M.
Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car and 
Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could really 
smoke em...


Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try 
to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my 
garage...Mike
- Original Message - 
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To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega


 Hi, All.
 OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
 Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a 1970
 Car Life magazine with an article about the  XP-887 engine , read Vega,
 engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
 review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask. 
 (sicko's).
 Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
 Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman 1c,
 dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
 squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
 TTFN and off to bed.
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Quirky cars we USED to own? Man, you must be from the Easley list ;-).

Three weeks ago, I drove 5 hours, across an international border, to pick up
a 23-year-old Mercedes from in front of the owner's house, when said owner
was away.

I then spent almost two hours convincing the Canada Customs Nazis that, yes
indeedy, I actually paid $100 for it. No foolin, ossifer. (Did not help that
I arrived a half hour behind some poor twit with a Rambler American, in tow
with Cali plates, who had no paperwork for the car. MAN did he get stomped
on before they let him leave.)

Quirky? Heck, if there is any, absolutely ANY harder way to buy a car, tell
me about it and I will probably try it.

So not only have I bought two very quirky cars (2x 240Ds) in the last two
months or so, but I've staked claim to the weirdest way of acquiring them.
So there.

Mac



[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

 No offense, but since when was it madness to discuss the quirky cars we all
 used to own? Its car talk;;; geez
 
 
 
 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.
 
 On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 STOP THE MADNESS.
 
 
 I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has
 resulted in
 this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux?
 
 I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed
 the 305 into.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Harry  M.
Hey my Vega cost me $50 and lasted me for 2 years, rusty fenders that waved in 
the breeze at 60mph. I call that quirky :0


Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quirky cars we USED to own? Man, you must be from the Easley list ;-).

Three weeks ago, I drove 5 hours, across an international border, to pick up
a 23-year-old Mercedes from in front of the owner's house, when said owner
was away.

I then spent almost two hours convincing the Canada Customs Nazis that, yes
indeedy, I actually paid $100 for it. No foolin, ossifer. (Did not help that
I arrived a half hour behind some poor twit with a Rambler American, in tow
with Cali plates, who had no paperwork for the car. MAN did he get stomped
on before they let him leave.)

Quirky? Heck, if there is any, absolutely ANY harder way to buy a car, tell
me about it and I will probably try it.

So not only have I bought two very quirky cars (2x 240Ds) in the last two
months or so, but I've staked claim to the weirdest way of acquiring them.
So there.

Mac



[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

 No offense, but since when was it madness to discuss the quirky cars we all
 used to own? Its car talk;;; geez
 
 
 
 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.
 
 On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 STOP THE MADNESS.
 
 
 I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has
 resulted in
 this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux?
 
 I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed
 the 305 into.
 
 Mac
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Not at all. Unless you converted it to run on rapseed oil.

(Okay, okay, just kidding.)

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

 Hey my Vega cost me $50 and lasted me for 2 years, rusty fenders that waved in
 the breeze at 60mph. I call that quirky :0




Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Harry  M.
Oh, I almost forgot this tidbit.. my Vega was the one off fred flinstone 
mobile. A hole in the drivers side floor so anything you were brave enough to 
run over could be seen under your feet HA!

Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Quirky cars we USED to own? Man, you must be from the Easley list ;-).

Three weeks ago, I drove 5 hours, across an international border, to pick up
a 23-year-old Mercedes from in front of the owner's house, when said owner
was away.

I then spent almost two hours convincing the Canada Customs Nazis that, yes
indeedy, I actually paid $100 for it. No foolin, ossifer. (Did not help that
I arrived a half hour behind some poor twit with a Rambler American, in tow
with Cali plates, who had no paperwork for the car. MAN did he get stomped
on before they let him leave.)

Quirky? Heck, if there is any, absolutely ANY harder way to buy a car, tell
me about it and I will probably try it.

So not only have I bought two very quirky cars (2x 240Ds) in the last two
months or so, but I've staked claim to the weirdest way of acquiring them.
So there.

Mac



[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

 No offense, but since when was it madness to discuss the quirky cars we all
 used to own? Its car talk;;; geez
 
 
 
 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.
 
 On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 STOP THE MADNESS.
 
 
 I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has
 resulted in
 this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux?
 
 I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed
 the 305 into.
 
 Mac
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Harry  M.
actually I did try everclear once..


Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Not at all. Unless you converted it to run on rapseed oil.

(Okay, okay, just kidding.)

Mac

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 Hey my Vega cost me $50 and lasted me for 2 years, rusty fenders that waved 
 in
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Alex Chamberlain
On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they squeezed
 the 305 into.

I knew a girl who had one of those in high school.  Squeezed is
right.  GM official service manuals recommended an engine hoist be
used to change the plugs.  I suppose it's not unusual these days, what
with 100,000 mile service intervals, for changing plugs to require
major engine dissasembly, but back in the '80s it was a big deal.



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Dan Weeks

Yeah, but they needed an alignment every other week.


I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they 
squeezed the 305 into.


Mac



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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Dan Weeks
I had two vegas and one pinto. The pinto was better. Tho I did get 
180k out of a vega, which I finaly sold with a bad clutch and three 
burned valves.




I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.

On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween 
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] 
wrote:


  mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




  STOP THE MADNESS.




  I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has 
resulted in

 this discussion.  Anyone want to talk about Linux?


I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they 
squeezed the 305 into.


Mac
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Mitch Haley
Dan Weeks wrote:
 
 I had two vegas and one pinto. The pinto was better. Tho I did get 180k out 
 of a vega,
 which I finaly sold with a bad clutch and three burned valves.
 

Was the 180k Vega a late model (1977 or so) with 151ci Pontiac Iron Duke motor?
(I got 208k out of my 1980 Citation with that motor, but it was well worn
by then)



Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Mike Canfield
I had a 73 Gremin X with the 304V8, 4 speed standard and a limited 
slip.THAT CAR WAS A ROCKET!!!  It also has the limited edition Levi's 
edition interior with denim seats and Levi's jeans buttons stitched into it. 
Wish I still had that one!!!
 Probably would have never owned a MBZ if I hadn't acquired a love of 
tinkerring working on AMC's...LOLOL, Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Harry  M.) [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:51 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega


Hey Mike, this would be something you could be intersted in. I saw a Car and 
Driver special on tv about the gremlin with a V8. Man that thing could 
really smoke em...



Mike Canfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try
to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
garage...Mike
- Original Message - 
From: frederick w moir [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega



Hi, All.
OT! Not too long ago there was a (mercifully) brief discussion of the
Chevrolet aluminum 4 and the car it ended up in. This week I found a 1970
Car Life magazine with an article about the XP-887 engine , read Vega,
engine, Mopar engines and a proposed mid engine Corvette plus a critical
review of the Gremlin. Any of you nostalgia bums want it, just ask.
(sicko's).
Any of you Gentlemen of the Navy who would like a Navy Training Course
Booklet Instructions for use in Preparation for the rating of Seaman 1c,
dated 1940, just ask. These jewels were part of my father in laws
squirrel hoard, from his Navy days etc.(WWII and Korea).
TTFN and off to bed.
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Lynn MA
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Mike Canfield
Heck Steve, Just think about when I bought that car just outside DC SIGHT 
UNSEEN for $500 off e-bay with the PO telling meGo ahead and come here and 
drive it home, I'll leave the tags and all on it for you if you'll send them 
back.  I did just that though and was just as pleasently surprized as 
you.What a history that car could tell if it could talk.


Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega



Quirky cars we USED to own? Man, you must be from the Easley list ;-).

Three weeks ago, I drove 5 hours, across an international border, to pick 
up

a 23-year-old Mercedes from in front of the owner's house, when said owner
was away.

I then spent almost two hours convincing the Canada Customs Nazis that, 
yes
indeedy, I actually paid $100 for it. No foolin, ossifer. (Did not help 
that
I arrived a half hour behind some poor twit with a Rambler American, in 
tow

with Cali plates, who had no paperwork for the car. MAN did he get stomped
on before they let him leave.)

Quirky? Heck, if there is any, absolutely ANY harder way to buy a car, 
tell

me about it and I will probably try it.

So not only have I bought two very quirky cars (2x 240Ds) in the last two
months or so, but I've staked claim to the weirdest way of acquiring them.
So there.

Mac



[EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:

No offense, but since when was it madness to discuss the quirky cars we 
all

used to own? Its car talk;;; geez



LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.

On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




STOP THE MADNESS.




I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has

resulted in

this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux?


I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they 
squeezed

the 305 into.

Mac
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Mike Canfield
Yeah they did.From doing wheelstands with a posi and a lot of 
nerve..Mike
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To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega



Yeah, but they needed an alignment every other week.


I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Steve MacSween
Wild, eh? Not too many Ford Tempos have such interesting lives!

BTW, I have started shining it up and the paint is coming back great.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Heck Steve, Just think about when I bought that car just outside DC SIGHT
 UNSEEN for $500 off e-bay with the PO telling meGo ahead and come here and
 drive it home, I'll leave the tags and all on it for you if you'll send them
 back.  I did just that though and was just as pleasently surprized as
 you.What a history that car could tell if it could talk.
 
 Mike
 - Original Message -
 From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:02 AM
 Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega
 
 
 Quirky cars we USED to own? Man, you must be from the Easley list ;-).
 
 Three weeks ago, I drove 5 hours, across an international border, to pick
 up
 a 23-year-old Mercedes from in front of the owner's house, when said owner
 was away.
 
 I then spent almost two hours convincing the Canada Customs Nazis that,
 yes
 indeedy, I actually paid $100 for it. No foolin, ossifer. (Did not help
 that
 I arrived a half hour behind some poor twit with a Rambler American, in
 tow
 with Cali plates, who had no paperwork for the car. MAN did he get stomped
 on before they let him leave.)
 
 Quirky? Heck, if there is any, absolutely ANY harder way to buy a car,
 tell
 me about it and I will probably try it.
 
 So not only have I bought two very quirky cars (2x 240Ds) in the last two
 months or so, but I've staked claim to the weirdest way of acquiring them.
 So there.
 
 Mac
 
 
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ) wrote:
 
 No offense, but since when was it madness to discuss the quirky cars we
 all
 used to own? Its car talk;;; geez
 
 
 
 LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.
 
 On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
 STOP THE MADNESS.
 
 
 I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has
 resulted in
 this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux?
 
 I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they
 squeezed
 the 305 into.
 
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Mike Canfield
You'll LOVE the way that car looks cleaned up and NOONE will believe you 
bought it for $100.;)  Mike
- Original Message - 
From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 11:19 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega



Wild, eh? Not too many Ford Tempos have such interesting lives!

BTW, I have started shining it up and the paint is coming back great.

Mac

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


Heck Steve, Just think about when I bought that car just outside DC SIGHT
UNSEEN for $500 off e-bay with the PO telling meGo ahead and come here 
and
drive it home, I'll leave the tags and all on it for you if you'll send 
them

back.  I did just that though and was just as pleasently surprized as
you.What a history that car could tell if it could talk.

Mike
- Original Message -
From: Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Mercedes mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Thursday, September 08, 2005 12:02 AM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] OT Vega



Quirky cars we USED to own? Man, you must be from the Easley list ;-).

Three weeks ago, I drove 5 hours, across an international border, to 
pick

up
a 23-year-old Mercedes from in front of the owner's house, when said 
owner

was away.

I then spent almost two hours convincing the Canada Customs Nazis that,
yes
indeedy, I actually paid $100 for it. No foolin, ossifer. (Did not help
that
I arrived a half hour behind some poor twit with a Rambler American, in
tow
with Cali plates, who had no paperwork for the car. MAN did he get 
stomped

on before they let him leave.)

Quirky? Heck, if there is any, absolutely ANY harder way to buy a car,
tell
me about it and I will probably try it.

So not only have I bought two very quirky cars (2x 240Ds) in the last 
two
months or so, but I've staked claim to the weirdest way of acquiring 
them.

So there.

Mac



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No offense, but since when was it madness to discuss the quirky cars 
we

all
used to own? Its car talk;;; geez



LT Don [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


I sort of liked my '78 Pinto.

On 9/7/05, Steve MacSween [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:




STOP THE MADNESS.




I can't believe that a comment a week ago about owning a Vega has

resulted in

this discussion. Anyone want to talk about Linux?


I always preferred those Monza coupes, particularly the ones they
squeezed
the 305 into.

Mac
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread frederick w moir

Hi, All.
Mike Canfield is the winner (?) of the mag. The only one who asked 
actually. It should look good on his outhouse wall.

Mike, It will go out tomorrow, enjoy.
Lt Don, Please remember that madness does not run, but gallops, in my family!
TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 11:26 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try
to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
garage...Mike
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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Dan Weeks

No, it was a '73, with the steel-sleeved aluminum block.


Dan Weeks wrote:


 I had two vegas and one pinto. The pinto was better. Tho I did get 
180k out of a vega,

 which I finaly sold with a bad clutch and three burned valves.



Was the 180k Vega a late model (1977 or so) with 151ci Pontiac Iron 
Duke motor?

(I got 208k out of my 1980 Citation with that motor, but it was well worn
by then)



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Re: [MBZ] OT Vega

2005-09-08 Thread Mike Canfield

Fred,
 Thank You very much!!!..Do I owe you anything to cover mail and all? 
Thanks again, Mike
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Hi, All.
Mike Canfield is the winner (?) of the mag. The only one who asked
actually. It should look good on his outhouse wall.
Mike, It will go out tomorrow, enjoy.
Lt Don, Please remember that madness does not run, but gallops, in my 
family!

TTFN
Fred Moir
Lynn MA

At 11:26 PM 9/7/2005, you wrote:

Hello.I would love to have that magazine as I am an AMC nut!!!...I try
to get every article I can to HOPEFULLY decorate the walls of my
garage...Mike
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Sent: Wednesday, September 07, 2005 11:05 PM
Subject: [MBZ] OT Vega





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