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thanks Grant. The financial system is so incredibly complex and very few understand even the most basic economics - especially those in government who spend so much of their time writing laws that affect our banking and financial lives. Just as bad, is the public's enormous lack of understanding of the world economy. I know a little, perhaps more than some, but there is so many holes in my understanding that I must include myself as one of those lacking understanding. But I am certainly not alone. Not only am I part of the under-educated, those teaching me were also likely victimized by the same sketchy coverage of economics. To add to the problem s the media's idea that they can tell a story in 5 second segments and not leave a huge part of the audience confused and uneducated. I wish it were otherwise but far too many people get their understanding of economics the way the world works from a national news person reading so-called News. This is compounded by the news report being written by someone who was likely never asked about their understanding of economics during their job interview. Of course the same can be said about the news writers understanding of all the other topics they will eventually be writing about. But in defense of the media's poor performance when translating economic news items into things the public can comprehend, they probably do an equally poor job on all other topics as well. YMMV -- H ok, rant off --- LarryT On 6/7/2014 4:26 PM, G Mann wrote: Larry, Sorry, at that level, every move is above my pay grade. Currently there have been a large number of high level bank officials arrested due to their attempts to manipulate the Global Currency Reset to their personal advantage via insider trading [so I am advised]. The BRIC countries have now been joined by a number of European countries and the USD reserve currency status is slipping quickly. The Reserve Currency USD is tied to the Petro dollar [energy being the driving element in global money markets]. So, to answer you correctly, I can't. The best I can do is study the active elements in financial markets and draw [perhaps ] logical conclusions. That presumes actions will be logical... but not whose logic it will follow.. ha. Persuant to your question re Federal Reserve. It appears the fed is dead.. the great financial crash of 2008 was caused by the principles of the Fed robbing the public one last time through gross manipulation of the housing market [home is the greatest family investment , thus MOG [money on ground] for the vultures who rape and rob [federal reserve]. Trust everyone but always cut the cards Grant... On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Larry Turner l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks for that Grant. Do you think (or have heard anything) the Federal Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the politicians pushing for a audit? For an organization to control so much of what is spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1 half hearted effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities! Larry On 6/6/2014 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote: Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it]. The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be reset sometime during this GCR. Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and guarded secret until released to keep currency traders in check. The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed. Grant... On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
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Being somewhat cynical about anything the wealthy do that affects the rest of us, I see this as nothing more than an attempt to disguise an old and proven way of paying nations debts by devaluing currencies. If Obama or his successor simply announced that he was going to devalue the dollar, domestic and foreign reactions would be severe. When the wealthy of the world are in charge, such innocent seeming plans usually result in the wealthy getting wealthier and everyone else getting poorer. (End of rant) Gerry On 6/8/2014 4:51 PM, Larry Turner wrote: thanks Grant. The financial system is so incredibly complex and very few understand even the most basic economics - especially those in government who spend so much of their time writing laws that affect our banking and financial lives. Just as bad, is the public's enormous lack of understanding of the world economy. I know a little, perhaps more than some, but there is so many holes in my understanding that I must include myself as one of those lacking understanding. But I am certainly not alone. Not only am I part of the under-educated, those teaching me were also likely victimized by the same sketchy coverage of economics. To add to the problem s the media's idea that they can tell a story in 5 second segments and not leave a huge part of the audience confused and uneducated. I wish it were otherwise but far too many people get their understanding of economics the way the world works from a national news person reading so-called News. This is compounded by the news report being written by someone who was likely never asked about their understanding of economics during their job interview. Of course the same can be said about the news writers understanding of all the other topics they will eventually be writing about. But in defense of the media's poor performance when translating economic news items into things the public can comprehend, they probably do an equally poor job on all other topics as well. YMMV -- H ok, rant off --- LarryT On 6/7/2014 4:26 PM, G Mann wrote: Larry, Sorry, at that level, every move is above my pay grade. Currently there have been a large number of high level bank officials arrested due to their attempts to manipulate the Global Currency Reset to their personal advantage via insider trading [so I am advised]. The BRIC countries have now been joined by a number of European countries and the USD reserve currency status is slipping quickly. The Reserve Currency USD is tied to the Petro dollar [energy being the driving element in global money markets]. So, to answer you correctly, I can't. The best I can do is study the active elements in financial markets and draw [perhaps ] logical conclusions. That presumes actions will be logical... but not whose logic it will follow.. ha. Persuant to your question re Federal Reserve. It appears the fed is dead.. the great financial crash of 2008 was caused by the principles of the Fed robbing the public one last time through gross manipulation of the housing market [home is the greatest family investment , thus MOG [money on ground] for the vultures who rape and rob [federal reserve]. Trust everyone but always cut the cards Grant... On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Larry Turner l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks for that Grant. Do you think (or have heard anything) the Federal Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the politicians pushing for a audit? For an organization to control so much of what is spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1 half hearted effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities! Larry On 6/6/2014 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote: Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it].
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Thanks for that Grant. Do you think (or have heard anything) the Federal Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the politicians pushing for a audit? For an organization to control so much of what is spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1 half hearted effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities! Larry On 6/6/2014 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote: Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it]. The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be reset sometime during this GCR. Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and guarded secret until released to keep currency traders in check. The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed. Grant... On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening, it's easy enough to see. Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency? (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I mean) That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power. Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency? That was before about 2008. The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have different commodities priced in different dominate currencies? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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This may be a matter of: don't ask the question if you can't stand the answer. -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Larry Turner Sent: Saturday, June 07, 2014 12:26 PM To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA Thanks for that Grant. Do you think (or have heard anything) the Federal Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the politicians pushing for a audit? For an organization to control so much of what is spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1 half hearted effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities! Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Larry, Sorry, at that level, every move is above my pay grade. Currently there have been a large number of high level bank officials arrested due to their attempts to manipulate the Global Currency Reset to their personal advantage via insider trading [so I am advised]. The BRIC countries have now been joined by a number of European countries and the USD reserve currency status is slipping quickly. The Reserve Currency USD is tied to the Petro dollar [energy being the driving element in global money markets]. So, to answer you correctly, I can't. The best I can do is study the active elements in financial markets and draw [perhaps ] logical conclusions. That presumes actions will be logical... but not whose logic it will follow.. ha. Persuant to your question re Federal Reserve. It appears the fed is dead.. the great financial crash of 2008 was caused by the principles of the Fed robbing the public one last time through gross manipulation of the housing market [home is the greatest family investment , thus MOG [money on ground] for the vultures who rape and rob [federal reserve]. Trust everyone but always cut the cards Grant... On Sat, Jun 7, 2014 at 11:25 AM, Larry Turner l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Thanks for that Grant. Do you think (or have heard anything) the Federal Reserve will be chartered for another 100 years and are the politicians pushing for a audit? For an organization to control so much of what is spent and by whom, it is atrocious that there has only been 1 half hearted effort to do a audit on the Fed's activities! Larry On 6/6/2014 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote: Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it]. The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be reset sometime during this GCR. Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and guarded secret until released to keep currency traders in check. The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed. Grant... On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening, it's easy enough to see. Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency? (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I mean) That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power. Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency? That was before about 2008. The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have different commodities priced in different dominate currencies? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or
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arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening, it's easy enough to see. Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency? (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I mean) That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power. Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency? That was before about 2008. The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have different commodities priced in different dominate currencies? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it]. The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be reset sometime during this GCR. Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and guarded secret until released to keep currency traders in check. The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed. Grant... On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening, it's easy enough to see. Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency? (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I mean) That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power. Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency? That was before about 2008. The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have different commodities priced in different dominate currencies? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I think you mean Basel --R On 6/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote: Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it]. The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be reset sometime during this GCR. Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and guarded secret until released to keep currency traders in check. The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed. Grant... On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening, it's easy enough to see. Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency? (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I mean) That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power. Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency? That was before about 2008. The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have different commodities priced in different dominate currencies? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I stand corrected... Basel senior moments happen, thanks for attending.. ;) On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:51 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: I think you mean Basel --R On 6/6/14 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote: Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it]. The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be reset sometime during this GCR. Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and guarded secret until released to keep currency traders in check. The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed. Grant... On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening, it's easy enough to see. Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency? (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I mean) That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power. Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency? That was before about 2008. The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have different commodities priced in different dominate currencies? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Here is more information on the Global Currency Reset, Reserve Currencies, national asset rankings, etc. IMO it's interesting that the U.S. dollar and the Euro comprise 90% of the allocated reserves worldwide. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reserve_currency http://www.imf.org/external/np/sta/cofer/eng/glossary.htm Gerry On 6/6/2014 10:47 AM, G Mann wrote: Great questions. Not so great answers. Under Basal III agreement [by all the controlling bankers] there is to be a Global Currency Reset this summer. 198 of the 204 currencies of the world are to be revalued with each currency backed by asset rather than fiat [current federal reserve dollars are fiat currency backed the the paper it's printed on and full faith and credit of the USA [which has been now downgraded twice under current administration]. This has now started, but far from completion. BRIC is making a strong play to become the world reserve currency, and the US Dollar as the petro dollar is fading fast. [to buy oil, you must pay in USD, which means you take your Yuan, buy dollars [at exchange rate of the day] then pay Russia, or Saudi, or Iran, or whoever has oil, in USD.. The world isn't happy with that arrangement presently. The FRN [Federal Reserve Note, fiat currency dollar] is now being phased out and replaced with TRN [Treasury Reserve Note] which is asset backed as required by Basal III agreement. As of 2013 the 100 year charter of the Federal Reserve [a private corporation, not federal, not a reserve] is finished [1913 federal reserve act, google it, read it]. The value of your savings and FRN dollars you hold will be reset sometime during this GCR. Early scuttlebutt said FRN's would be valued at 50% of face value.. later scuttlebutt says no, it will be held at higher value above my pay grade in any case.. it is and will be a closely held and guarded secret until released to keep currency traders in check. The good news is: Through it all, my Mercedes continue to function as built and I expect to continue to afford to buy parts for them as needed. Grant... On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 7:26 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: It may be difficult to impossible to predict, but now that it's happening, it's easy enough to see. Remember when the British Pound was the world's reserve currency? (well, I doubt anybody alive has a personal memory, but you know what I mean) That was when jolly old England was the predominate world power. Remember when the US Dollar was the world's reserve currency? That was before about 2008. The transition isn't complete because we don't have a replacement world monetary standard yet. Will it be the Yuan, the Euro, or maybe we'll have different commodities priced in different dominate currencies? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 6/4/2014 11:53 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Really? G: Compared to other nations of similar size, I would put the U.S. at the top; militarily, economically, and even domestically although it doesn't seem that way to those of us who have seen our standard of living go down due to lost jobs, etc. It appears to me that Al Qaeda has accomplished their objective of repelling the US from the Middle East. G: If we look only at the Middle East it's a mixed bag. We still have troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, and smaller ME nations. The only ME nation challenging us with anything besides guerrilla warfare is Iran, and their bombastic leaders have given way to more reasonable leaders. We failed in pacifying A'stan sufficiently such that a pipeline could be built from the other -stans to an ocean accessible port, but we have secured the traditional ME oil supply. The domination of A'stan has frustrated many world powers. We are in good company. (grin) China and Russia, the other big kids on the block, seem unconcerned about potential US intervention. G: It may seem that way, but China is still reticent about declaring their domination of the South China Sea, and Russia is no longer militarily belligerent about American presence in and support of Ukraine. (They have withdrawn their troops from the border.) Meanwhile, China is buying up the US (piecemeal) G: They are simply investing in land and property rather than treasuries which currently pay little interest. If they get too aggressive militarily or otherwise, land and property can be confiscated much more easily than treasuries which can be sold very rapidly electronically. There was much concern about Japanese investments during the 1980s, but their supposed ill effects have not materialized. The following gives some idea of foreign investment in the U.S. and vice-versa: http://www.econlib.org/library/Enc1/ForeignInvestmentintheUnitedStates.html while Europe is blackmailed by Russian energy. G: True, but it offers U.S. and European oil/gas corporations an opportunity to sell more of their product to Europe which will contribute to Americas balance of payments. From where I stand it seems delusional to believe the US still has great influence in the world. I would be interested in views of some of our non-US members. G: When the U.S. has had a serious disagreement with other nations since the demise of Soviet Russia, which nation usually backs down? My humble opinion is that the U.S. is following the dictum of President Teddy Roosevelt: Walk softly but carry a big stick. This sometimes confuses other nations, but U.S. gunboat/economic diplomacy has usually brought them around; so far! Gerry PS: It's difficult to find a published estimate of Americas worldwide power, but critics do offer such data even though it often comes with much anti-Americanism such as the following from Canada: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564 Gerry -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com ... If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 6/4/2014 10:58 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. If we want to be seriously realistic, I think we should be saying this to each other. Yes, the U.S. is unsuccessful. Really. Once we can own up to this reality, we can chart a path to proper and effective solutions. Until then, the slide to total depravity that we are suffering these days will continue until failure is exceptional, as all national failures are exceptional. Shall we join Greece and Rome in the list of exceptional failures of the eons? Let's be man enough to get our heads out of the sand and own up our unsuccessfulness so that we can get on with success. Please. mao ___ Domestically you may be right, but I am looking at Americas position among the nations of the world. All nations eventually decline. The problem is that we have no way of knowing when our nation will do so. Looking at the data link on my email to Scott: http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-worldwide-network-of-us-military-bases/5564 it doesn't look like it's going to happen any time soon. Gerry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you right now. Fill out these papers and give 'em to lady at window. When I started filling out the papers, I realized they were the ones I had in my hand already completed! 'Handed them to lady at window, who told me to wait here, we'll call you by name. Twice during the next 2½ hours, we were rebuffed whenever we tried to remind lady at the window that I was still waiting - You'll be called by name, she insisted. At 4 PM, ladies behind window picked up their handbags, locked door and left. Nearly an hour later, I had become very suspicious that I had truly been forgotten, and it began to look as if people were leaving for the day. I asked wife to find Ms Supervisor, I think they're leaving for the day. Supervisor was, indeed, leaving for the day; when she saw SWMBO, she exclaimed, What?!! You're still here?!! Yes, indeed, they had forgotten me!! Lady who should have taken the registration nearly 4 hours earlier was also leaving; supervisor called her back and called me in to give the registration info. During the 15 minutes or so that the registration took, Ms Supervisor kept trying to apologize, Oh, Mister Strickland, I'm so terribly sorry. I never said a word; never responded to the apology; 'just let 'em stew over it overnight, worried about possible call from their supervisors the next day, but I never reported it to anybody. They got away with it, and I sure hope they had a sleepless night, but I doubt it. I regret having not reported it officially. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those
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My wife did a coupla months rotation at The Manch the VA hospital in Manchester, NH, like 20 yr ago. It was known then as a total disaster, and all the residents dreaded going there both because of the bureaucracy, conditions, tattoo/tooth ratio of the staff, and everything else plus it was in New Hamster (Live Free and Die!). A coupla weeks ago she posted this on her FB page and got a lot of colleagues who agreed totally. I find it bizarre that the media are apoplectic about delays scheduling in the VA system, and trying to turn it into the next Washington scandal. Where have these people been? Ask any medical student or resident who ever rotated through the VA and they will tell you it is an absolutely terrible system, inefficient, poor quality care, mediocre at best. VA system is interviewed with a 9 to 3 work ethic, there's no incentive to do anything better than it was done 40 years ago. In fact innovation, improvement are generally discouraged. The VA facilities are old, dirty, smell bad and the systems are ancient. The only good thing I can say about having spent many many months in various VA hospitals, is the spectrum of pathology is amazing and the vets themselves are even more amazing. The VA system and work ethic are old, inefficient, not patient centric and out of date. If you want to improve medical care for our vets, dissolve the VA system and incorporate them into mainstream medical care. The main driver seems to be the federal union mindset among the support staff, who can't be disciplined, fired, transferred, or basically made to do their jobs like anyone in the private sector would be expected to do. The docs and nurses have other motivations and strive within the system, but there is only so much they can do. Your tax dollars at work (??). BTW Milt, those staffers slept just fine, and came back refreshed to do it again the next day. YMMV. --R On 6/4/14 9:59 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you right now. Fill out these papers and give 'em to lady at window. When I started filling out the papers, I realized they were the ones I had in my hand already completed! 'Handed them to lady at window, who told me to wait here, we'll call you by
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Amen. Wilton - Original Message - From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:17 AM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA My wife did a coupla months rotation at The Manch the VA hospital in Manchester, NH, like 20 yr ago. It was known then as a total disaster, and all the residents dreaded going there both because of the bureaucracy, conditions, tattoo/tooth ratio of the staff, and everything else plus it was in New Hamster (Live Free and Die!). A coupla weeks ago she posted this on her FB page and got a lot of colleagues who agreed totally. I find it bizarre that the media are apoplectic about delays scheduling in the VA system, and trying to turn it into the next Washington scandal. Where have these people been? Ask any medical student or resident who ever rotated through the VA and they will tell you it is an absolutely terrible system, inefficient, poor quality care, mediocre at best. VA system is interviewed with a 9 to 3 work ethic, there's no incentive to do anything better than it was done 40 years ago. In fact innovation, improvement are generally discouraged. The VA facilities are old, dirty, smell bad and the systems are ancient. The only good thing I can say about having spent many many months in various VA hospitals, is the spectrum of pathology is amazing and the vets themselves are even more amazing. The VA system and work ethic are old, inefficient, not patient centric and out of date. If you want to improve medical care for our vets, dissolve the VA system and incorporate them into mainstream medical care. The main driver seems to be the federal union mindset among the support staff, who can't be disciplined, fired, transferred, or basically made to do their jobs like anyone in the private sector would be expected to do. The docs and nurses have other motivations and strive within the system, but there is only so much they can do. Your tax dollars at work (??). BTW Milt, those staffers slept just fine, and came back refreshed to do it again the next day. YMMV. --R On 6/4/14 9:59 AM, Meade Dillon wrote: I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 8:59 AM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: I see a common thread here, when I include my experiences with the VA. The doctor I'm assigned to is excellent. His nursing staff superb. All other clerical types seem to think their job is to slow-roll, filter, obstruct. Things that in other clinics takes minutes, they take days at our local VA. Things which should take hours, take days and weeks. On some things, I give up and use my work health insurance, pay the co-pay, and get it done. Max Dillon, Charleston SC On Jun 3, 2014 10:57 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you right now. Fill out these papers and give 'em to lady at window. When I started filling out the papers, I realized they were the ones I had in my hand already completed! 'Handed them to lady at window, who told me to wait here, we'll call you by name. Twice during the next 2½ hours, we were rebuffed whenever we tried to remind lady at the window that I was still waiting - You'll be called by name, she insisted. At 4 PM, ladies behind window picked up their handbags, locked door and left. Nearly an hour later, I had become very suspicious that I had truly been forgotten, and it began to look as if people were leaving for the day. I asked wife to find Ms Supervisor, I think they're leaving for the day. Supervisor was, indeed, leaving for the day; when she saw SWMBO, she exclaimed, What?!! You're still here?!! Yes, indeed, they had forgotten me!! Lady who should have taken the registration nearly 4 hours earlier was also leaving; supervisor called her back and called me in to give the registration info. During the 15 minutes or so that the registration took, Ms Supervisor kept trying to apologize, Oh, Mister Strickland, I'm so terribly sorry. I never said a word; never responded to the apology; 'just let 'em stew over it overnight, worried about possible call from their supervisors the next day, but I never reported it to anybody. They got away with it, and I sure
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On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
You big meanie. It obviously was not her fault. It was the fault of her supervisor who did not make it expressly clear that her time at work was to be used for the work of the employer. Very obviously, it should have been her supervisor who fell on his sword. On 04/06/2014 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
I especially enjoy what is supposedly impossible. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
Or the Director or the Secretary. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:59 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA You big meanie. It obviously was not her fault. It was the fault of her supervisor who did not make it expressly clear that her time at work was to be used for the work of the employer. Very obviously, it should have been her supervisor who fell on his sword. On 04/06/2014 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
Re: [MBZ] finally VA
What is that old saying on the sign? Something like the impossible just takes us a bit longer Cannot recall the first part of it - something like - we do great things all the time ... On 04/06/2014 1:57 PM, WILTON wrote: I especially enjoy what is supposedly impossible. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list
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Or The tough we do immediately. Wilton - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:02 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA What is that old saying on the sign? Something like the impossible just takes us a bit longer Cannot recall the first part of it - something like - we do great things all the time ... On 04/06/2014 1:57 PM, WILTON wrote: I especially enjoy what is supposedly impossible. Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA Aw shucks. I didn't know that it was supposed to be impossible. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:39 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors
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I see it happen with some regularity, as I am one of the investigators who gathers the evidence for the administrative and HR staff. I'm still amazed at how brazen people are when they clearly know their actions are being monitored and recorded. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 2:59 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: You big meanie. It obviously was not her fault. It was the fault of her supervisor who did not make it expressly clear that her time at work was to be used for the work of the employer. Very obviously, it should have been her supervisor who fell on his sword. On 04/06/2014 1:34 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 04/06/2014 2:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: I see it happen with some regularity, as I am one of the investigators who gathers the evidence for the administrative and HR staff. I'm still amazed at how brazen people are when they clearly know their actions are being monitored and recorded. Dan Especially with computer use. My wife works in a library where people have been dismissed for: 1 - spending all their time trading suff on eBay 2 - downloading movies to the point where they were almost stalling out the system (and that was one of the higher level computer folks) ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry On 6/4/2014 2:39 PM, WILTON wrote: ATTABOY! Wilton - Original Message - From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 2:34 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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That was supposed to read fired, not hired! On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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I was the supervisor, new to the job. My deputy explained how easy it would be to get rid of Darlene if I were to simply follow the procedures in the manual. I also forced someone to quit who abused the leave policies by taking extensive LWOP (leave without pay). I wasn't too happy about that, but she was never around and the personnel regs limit the amount of LWOP one can take. Now the OPM rules allow employees to donate their annual leave to others who have exhausted all their leave due to their own or a relative's illness... On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 3:25 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: That was supposed to read fired, not hired! On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:24 PM, OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote: I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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But you must know what you are doing (many civil service managers don't) and document efforts to counsel. This requires the ability to read and write, skills many first-line supervisors are lacking. Then there's arbitration, and some departments are quite weak at making a case before an arbitrator. I was involved for a few years in structured interviews of applicants, where hypothetical and ambiguous scenarios were pitched at applicants with a what would you do? question. The panel of 3 would then either pass or fail the applicant on the spot. It was a wonderful way to stop problem employees before they got their feet in the door. Greg -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Andrew Strasfogel Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 11:35 AM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Two ATTABOYS! Wilton - Original Message - From: OK Don okd...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 3:24 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] finally VA I know that it's not the Feds, but I did hire two employees working for the State of OK - one was fraudulent, the other just incompetent. Both were political appointees, one current at the time, the other a hold-over from a previous Governor. I just followed the prescribed procedure, and they were gone. On Wed, Jun 4, 2014 at 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry -- OK Don NSA: The only branch of government that actually listens to US citizens! There are three kinds of men: The ones that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves. WILL ROGERS, *The Manly Wisdom of Will Rogers* 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 04/06/2014 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry The useless folks are supposed to work for the government. How could any one else afford to keep them around? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Government employees do get bad reps for a reason, but in my experience the vast majority come to work each day really wanting to do work and do it well. The examples cited previously make it clear that bad employees CAN be fired, but it takes management to get off their butt and do the work. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Concerning the original topic (VA), here's my opinion. As Fred likes to say, you know where the delete key is... A good house-cleaning of the management, followed up with fair/transparent incentives for those who do an exceptional job, and I'll bet that most of the current deadbeat staff would either get with the program or resign. Those who truly care and excel will stick around and (hopefully) get promoted up in to management and if the right culture can be cultivated, the VA could become a great organization. Might easily take 3-5 years. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Watch yourself. There are a number of government employees here Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry The useless folks are supposed to work for the government. How could any one else afford to keep them around? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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It's been my experience that there is an old guard of folks in government service who are truly the poster children for the public's perception of government workers. Having been in both private and public sectors, I don't see a whole lot of difference in the people these days. Yes, there are probably more slackers in public service, but the nature of the organization simply allows for such behavior. As government becomes more like the private sector, that will go away. Our county government is such that it is customer (taxpayer) driven, and our County Administrator places that value at the top of the list. There's no nasty people at the DMV or horror stories of trying to wade through the bureaucracy to get something done. If this occurs, he's on it in no time and the offenders are out or banished to some distant site in the County to be rehabilitated. County government is much smaller, agile, and far easier to change, I believe. That being said, it's a top-down sort of attitude. Otherwise, the inmates run the asylum. Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:31 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Government employees do get bad reps for a reason, but in my experience the vast majority come to work each day really wanting to do work and do it well. The examples cited previously make it clear that bad employees CAN be fired, but it takes management to get off their butt and do the work. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Is there any reason why the VA couldn't be broken up and the private sector paid to render services? At least for health care? I realize the VA is more than just medical care Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:36 PM, Meade Dillon dillonm...@gmail.com wrote: Concerning the original topic (VA), here's my opinion. As Fred likes to say, you know where the delete key is... A good house-cleaning of the management, followed up with fair/transparent incentives for those who do an exceptional job, and I'll bet that most of the current deadbeat staff would either get with the program or resign. Those who truly care and excel will stick around and (hopefully) get promoted up in to management and if the right culture can be cultivated, the VA could become a great organization. Might easily take 3-5 years. -Max ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Observations: Medical professionals are medical professionals. Bureaucrats are bureaucrats, and Federal Government bureaucrats may have become the worst of these for reasons cited previously by others. For those that don't know, the Durham VA complex is, literally, right across the street from Duke Hospital. I did fire one civil servant who was guilty of misconduct back in the early 90s. It wasn't easy or fast. It literally took two years for all the reviews and hearings before administrative law judges. The facts were clear (he stole about $1K from a subordinate) but he probably would have been reinstated if his immediate supervisor or I (as Commander) had been reassigned before it was all over. This guy hired a top lawyer (Medal of Honor recipient Bud Day) and the local Union representative was fierce. On the flip side, I later worked in private industry where we fired three employees for cause (time card errors, security deviations, and watching porn at work) on our relatively small team. In each case, the employee was called into the boss's office and gone in an hour. The rest of the team understood that these individuals jeopardized everyone else's job. That's in addition to several other folks who had to be let go because the mission changed or because they didn't really fit the job requirements. Scott -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of WILTON Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2014 10:56 PM To: mercedes list Subject: [MBZ] finally VA Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Govt unions, patronage, and a huge bureaucracy built up around it all that would suddenly find themselves out of work. Of course your solution is the correct one, but no politician would touch it, perhaps throwing in the mix a privatization of most of the general medical services, with some of the more specialized things (PTSD treatments, loss of limbs, etc.) remaining with experts in those fields (which are not as prevalent in the general population/hospitals). --R On 6/4/14 5:05 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Is there any reason why the VA couldn't be broken up and the private sector paid to render services? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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On 04/06/2014 3:31 PM, Meade Dillon wrote: Government employees do get bad reps for a reason, but in my experience the vast majority come to work each day really wanting to do work and do it well. The examples cited previously make it clear that bad employees CAN be fired, but it takes management to get off their butt and do the work. -Max I do agree for the most part. Government employees are just like any other employees. There are good ones and bad ones and lots in between. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Well, I did not mean it applies to all govt employees. A good example - my wife has an employee who is mostly of little use but the poor woman was attacked many years ago and suffered brain damage. She tries hard but has limited abilities. Most private businesses - esp small businesses - could not afford to keep her but she has worked many years for the university and I guess we all help to keep her employed. On 04/06/2014 3:55 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: Watch yourself. There are a number of government employees here Dan Sent from my iPad On Jun 4, 2014, at 4:06 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 04/06/2014 2:19 PM, arche...@embarqmail.com wrote: That takes care of fraudulent employees. What about deadbeat employees? Gerry The useless folks are supposed to work for the government. How could any one else afford to keep them around? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Andrew Strasfogel wrote: There is a myth that it is hard to terminate deadbeat or fraudulent Fed employees. I once took action against a young lady who was doing Amway business from her desk on government time. I went through the agency's personnel office to prepare the evidence in compliance with OPM regulations, and then presented the wrongdoer with this information. She resigned within days when it was clear that we had her dead to rights. Piece of cake. What would have been the likely result if she didn't cut and run? We see cops (not federal) resigning in disgrace all the time, but we also see other cops, fired for doing far worse than the ones who resigned, suing and getting their jobs back with back pay. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Dan Penoff wrote: It's been my experience that there is an old guard of folks in government service who are truly the poster children for the public's perception of government workers. Are those the ones you see screaming in the streets during working hours, wearing purple SEIU T-Shirts, or are the purple shirt posse made up of unemployed idiots hired as day labor by the union? Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Years ago I read a report on Navy bureaucracy that described the same problems being discussed here. The conclusion was that not much could be done about the bureaucracy but that the Navies ships and crews were not affected and remained a potent fighting force. The report was written in the 19th century about the British Navy. The conclusion was that as long as bureaucracies are staffed by human beings they will forever be inefficient but the organizations they direct can still function satisfactorily. I wonder if we could say the same thing about the Washington bureaucracy and the nation it directs? If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. Gerry . On 6/4/2014 2:30 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 04/06/2014 10:51 AM, G Mann wrote: I formulated some time ago that I work by the job for profit... all government workers work for retirement. Any act that can delay their actual work, or production of work, at minimum effort, moves them further toward their goal of retirement at full pension benefits. The only caveat to that effort is the question: If I do this, will it bring promotion to a higher pay thus greater retirement income. In the alternative the question: If I do this, will it attract negative attention to me, and if it does, how will I cover my now exposed ass so it does not hold back promotion and retirement. This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. And, you need to get promoted high enough that you don't actually do anything. Your job is to supervise people who are supposed to do the work. Since no one expects much and those above you are trusting that you are doing your job and don't bother to check, all is well. It also helps if you get promoted high enough to have a private office. A friend who once worked for the feds said that his boss sat in his private office and ran a chain of Chinese restaurants via his cell phone. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Gerry wrote: If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. If we want to be seriously realistic, I think we should be saying this to each other. Yes, the U.S. is unsuccessful. Really. Once we can own up to this reality, we can chart a path to proper and effective solutions. Until then, the slide to total depravity that we are suffering these days will continue until failure is exceptional, as all national failures are exceptional. Shall we join Greece and Rome in the list of exceptional failures of the eons? Let's be man enough to get our heads out of the sand and own up our unsuccessfulness so that we can get on with success. Please. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Grant wrote: This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. So... Do you think we have our heads in the sand? We say vote - which sounds peaceful. Nobody says guns - which sounds not peaceful. Nobody says revolution - which sounds peaceful. btw, there is absotively zero possibility of something less than peaceful means in our kulture today. However, when you see something that is coming down, please let me know because I am a ready volunteer to be a target for the other side to hit, i.e. I will do that deed for my you and my countrymen and not ask my country for VA benefits. I will not volunteer in any of today's McCain warmongering, however. Bury that man, seriously. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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McCain: I'm from the government and I'm not happy until you are not happy Pretty much says it for me and he is my Senator. On 6/4/14, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Grant wrote: This federal culture mindset permeates every government agency and , history indicates, can not be overcome by peaceful means. So... Do you think we have our heads in the sand? We say vote - which sounds peaceful. Nobody says guns - which sounds not peaceful. Nobody says revolution - which sounds peaceful. btw, there is absotively zero possibility of something less than peaceful means in our kulture today. However, when you see something that is coming down, please let me know because I am a ready volunteer to be a target for the other side to hit, i.e. I will do that deed for my you and my countrymen and not ask my country for VA benefits. I will not volunteer in any of today's McCain warmongering, however. Bury that man, seriously. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
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Really? It appears to me that Al Qaeda has accomplished their objective of repelling the US from the Middle East. China and Russia, the other big kids on the block, seem unconcerned about potential US intervention. Meanwhile, China is buying up the US (piecemeal) while Europe is blackmailed by Russian energy. From where I stand it seems delusional to believe the US still has great influence in the world. I would be interested in views of some of our non-US members. Scott -Original Message- From: arche...@embarqmail.com Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2014 10:41 PM ... If you look at Americas position among the nations of the world, I don't think you can say the U.S. is unsuccessful. ... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
[MBZ] finally VA
Clerical staff, who care not a whit about the level of service they give reminds me: Because of horror stories I had heard about getting the run-around and long waiting times, I had never used VA medical care at all until about a year ago, when I received a letter from my neurologist at Duke University Hospital informing me that he'd no longer be able to see me for my CIDP condition at the Duke clinic. Clinic was being converted to see ALS patients only. Because he is the only neurologist of the many I've seen who would listen to me and help me work out a treatment regimen that helped me drastically, I sent him an e-mail pleading with him to not throw me back out there to find another neurologist who would likely think he/she already has all the answers and not want to listen to anything I have to say. He called me the next morning at 8 and talked to me for nearly an hour about ways that we may proceed. He reminded me that, if I could become registered at the Durham VA Medical Center, where he works in addition to Duke, he'd be able to see me there and continue the treatments with no other change at all. I had a little glitch in getting registered (cited below), saw the Duke neurologist at VA few weeks later and have continued my treatments with no break at all; Medicare and Tricare continue to pay as they have for years. He schedules me to see him at the VA Center every six months; no problem with all of it so far, except the registration glitch cited below. A little aside on getting registered at VA: I filled out application on-line and printed it out, but had coupla questions before sending it in. 'Called coordinator at Durham VA Medical Center; during our discussion, coordinator asked about my possible exposure to Agent Orange; 'told her, Don't think so; I was never on the ground in Vietnam; 'flew B-52's from Guam and U-Tapao, Thailand. When I told her U-Tapao, she got excited and insisted that I go right now and talk to Ms ?, registration supervisor. 'Got my stuff together and off we went to Durham. Quickly found Ms. Supervisor, who told me, Don't have time to talk to you right now. Fill out these papers and give 'em to lady at window. When I started filling out the papers, I realized they were the ones I had in my hand already completed! 'Handed them to lady at window, who told me to wait here, we'll call you by name. Twice during the next 2½ hours, we were rebuffed whenever we tried to remind lady at the window that I was still waiting - You'll be called by name, she insisted. At 4 PM, ladies behind window picked up their handbags, locked door and left. Nearly an hour later, I had become very suspicious that I had truly been forgotten, and it began to look as if people were leaving for the day. I asked wife to find Ms Supervisor, I think they're leaving for the day. Supervisor was, indeed, leaving for the day; when she saw SWMBO, she exclaimed, What?!! You're still here?!! Yes, indeed, they had forgotten me!! Lady who should have taken the registration nearly 4 hours earlier was also leaving; supervisor called her back and called me in to give the registration info. During the 15 minutes or so that the registration took, Ms Supervisor kept trying to apologize, Oh, Mister Strickland, I'm so terribly sorry. I never said a word; never responded to the apology; 'just let 'em stew over it overnight, worried about possible call from their supervisors the next day, but I never reported it to anybody. They got away with it, and I sure hope they had a sleepless night, but I doubt it. I regret having not reported it officially. Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com All posts are the result of individual contributors and as such, those individuals are responsible for the content of the post. The list owner has no control over the content of the messages of each contributor.
