Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
ruhroh... --R On 4/8/13 8:05 PM, WILTON wrote: Mr. and Mrs. Banker were amazed by my magic stick. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Wiring diagram, digital multi-meter, basic understanding of direct current electrical theory, and time with the patient... -OR- A friend with identical year/model car you can compare to your car, but that isn't a sure thing if the problem is deeper than crossed wires. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem. Dan On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
The solenoid/ starter is new Bosch. Well, 3 months old. And yes Wilton, I have mechanically agitated it. Getting a little frustrating. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 12:46 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem. Dan On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 6:23 PM, Max Dillon meadedil...@bellsouth.net wrote: Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Add one more point you've missed, starter spins when you jump the big lugs on the starter it spins. Last test, short big lug to little lug (ie apply power direct to solenoid) if car doesn't start its a bad solenoid. Personally I'd skip that last test, if you have power to the solenoid but not power THROUGH the solenoid its the solenoid... -Curt Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Message-ID: CAKOy=fx5gyzuhsepxnnf8zyvggzprgonwxyfadhk74z1ttg...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
That was my immediate thought as well. If there is power to the solenoid, it should try to kick in unless the solenoid is bad. Unfortunately, with diesels of this vintage (at least on mine) you can't just turn the key on and off a few times to see if it catches. When the solenoid contacts were going bad on our 4Runner, I could get it to go like that. Flip the key back and forth and it would catch - the down side was that the cold start injector would fire too so there was a bit of smoke on start up. I know with my car, if I turn the key off, I have to start over again so I cannot just flip the key back on quickly. Randy On 08/04/2013 2:45 PM, Dan Penoff wrote: If you have B+ at the solenoid wire then it should work when you reconnect the wire to the solenoid - unless the solenoid has a problem. Dan On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:19 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 12:19:17 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4 pipe. If that does not get the starter working, then you need a different starter. Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 3:19 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Okay...glow light comes on again. So now it's one issuenothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Bob Rentfro wrote: nothing when key is turned to start position. Get all the correct dash lights, have power in the wire going from ignition switch to solenoid when key is in start position. All voltage readings are correct on everything. Everything is tight and clean. I'm at a loss. Ideas? Do you mean nothing or starter motor doesn't turn nor does the solenoid doesn't click 'cause correct dash lights doesn't sound like nothing. At which end of the switch-to-solenoid wire did you measure voltage? If there is 12 V at the small terminal on the solenoid on the starter, and it doesn't clunk, then it would seem a dead solenoid is the problem. One way to test is to jumper from the big battery (top) terminal on the solenoid to the small one on the side. The solenoid should clunk and the starter motor should spin. If there is no clunk, and jumping the two big ones makes the starter spin, then the solenoid is dead. -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads. Basically a switch with a cable and two clips. Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger. You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the process. And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed. Unless . . . . Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter?? I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post. I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault. There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in. The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not. When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts. Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No damage was done. So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be fixable. If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls the contacts into place. So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle. Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? On Apr 8, 2013 1:14 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads. Basically a switch with a cable and two clips. Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger. You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the process. And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed. Unless . . . . Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter?? I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post. I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault. There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in. The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not. When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts. Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No damage was done. So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be fixable. If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls the contacts into place. So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle. Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the starter is that correct? Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 1:26 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? On Apr 8, 2013 1:14 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote: On 08/04/2013 3:02 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? On Apr 8, 2013 12:56 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: Let me suggest that you get one of the remote starter tester doodads. Basically a switch with a cable and two clips. Hook it on the terminals and press the button or squeeze the trigger. You can do it from beside the car instead of laying under there with a screwdriver wondering if it will fire and take off, running over you in the process. And yes, it sounds like the solenoid has failed. Unless . . . . Who installed the solenoid - did it come on the starter?? I know we ran into an issue with the 4Runner I mentioned in another post. I had installed the new contacts so it was my fault. There was a ball on the end of a spring that fit in a certain spot. On assembly the ball got out of the spot it was supposed to be in. The starter worked for a few days and then one day would not. When I took it apart, I found that the ball had gotten jammed into a spot that prevented the solenoid from pulling in the contacts. Put a dab of grease on the ball to hold it in place where it belonged long enough to reassemble the starter and it has worked fine for years. No damage was done. So, if this starter has anything like that inside, it might just be fixable. If not, then one would think, either the contacts are not working - got burned somehow?? - or the coil is an open circuit - the solenoid is essentially an electromagnet that activates when current flows and pulls the contacts into place. So, one would think one could check to see if the coil is open or grounded out with a multi-meter before removing the thing from the vehicle. Forgive me if this is off the mark. I have no experience with MB starters and solenoids - jsut that most all that I have worked on with other vehicles work as above and I am trusting that the MB one does too. Randy __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? Yes. The solenoid should simultaneously push the starter's gear into the ring gear and short the two big terminals together, causing the starter to turn the engine. You already proved that shorting the two big terminals together causes the starter to spin (though, because the starter's gear isn't pushed into the ring gear, it won't turn the engine). So, the starter is good but its solenoid is not. All the other troubleshooting you have done is a waste of time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I get it now. Thanks for all the advice, men. Gotta get the pug on the road. Gotta find a solenoid On Apr 8, 2013 1:39 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:02:54 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: What happens when you short the top large terminal on the starter (with the large wire that goes to the battery) to the small, middle terminal on the starter? Curtain Craig I just went from the top lug to the small lug on the solenoid and I can hear clicking at the glow plug relay but nothing happens. Bad solenoid? Yes. The solenoid should simultaneously push the starter's gear into the ring gear and short the two big terminals together, causing the starter to turn the engine. You already proved that shorting the two big terminals together causes the starter to spin (though, because the starter's gear isn't pushed into the ring gear, it won't turn the engine). So, the starter is good but its solenoid is not. All the other troubleshooting you have done is a waste of time. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:38:49 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Sothis is the first time I've tried to remove a solenoid. It appears that the electrical part comes off and the mechanical part stays on the starter is that correct? You will first need to remove the starter from the car. Then loosen the nut on the solenoid's big bolt closest to the starter and remove the wire that goes into the starter from the bolt. Then loosen the bolts that hold the solenoid to the casting that bolts the starter to the engine. Now, carefully pull the solenoid away from the casting. You will most likely find that the lever that pushes the starter's gear out into the ring gear is engaged with an extension of the solenoid's core. (Sorry, I haven't taken a starter apart for awhile.) You will need to undo that engagement to be able to remove the solenoid from the starter. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the new one? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yes. I know I thought the same thing Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:22 PM, WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com wrote: I guess you turned in the old starter when you got the new one? Wilton - Original Message - From: Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete starter. That's just the way the market is. This solenoid works by pulling in the armature to engage the bendix drive on the starter. When the armature pulls in, a large copper disc on the armature shorts the two large terminals on the solenoid together, completing the circuit between the battery and starter motor. The disc could be damaged, the coil could be open, there are a myriad of potential issues. Long story short, as you have already surmised, it's time for a new starter. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 3:27 PM, Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com wrote: If you can find a solenoid it will cost almost as much as a complete starter. That's just the way the market is. This solenoid works by pulling in the armature to engage the bendix drive on the starter. When the armature pulls in, a large copper disc on the armature shorts the two large terminals on the solenoid together, completing the circuit between the battery and starter motor. The disc could be damaged, the coil could be open, there are a myriad of potential issues. Long story short, as you have already surmised, it's time for a new starter. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 5:17 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Funny story about starter abuse: Co-worker had a PT Cruiser that had intermittent starting problems, as in it would not crank at random times. Knowing I had a little automotive experience (his words) he asked me if I had any idea as to the problem. Check all of your battery terminals, chassis grounds and the battery. Next day it acts up again. He takes it to a Firestone shop across the street from work. Comes back at the end of the day with a new battery and cables. A week later it pukes again in our parking structure. It goes back to Firestone. Just had a loose cable. No charge! Yup, you guessed it. Did it again a few weeks later. Just so happens I was leaving late and he was there in the parking structure trying to get it to work. So what do you think it is, Dan?, Manny asks me. Did you check everything I told you? Sure did. All the cables are tight, battery is new, etc. Got anything in the trunk like a tire iron or a golf club? puzzled look I have a baseball bat. Perfect! Bring it here. So I manage to locate the starter, which on this PT Cruiser was in the front of the engine and fairly accessible. I took the bat and rapped on the starter with the end of the bat several times. The car started. He had the car for another 6-8 months before he sold it. Never failed to start again. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4 pipe. If that does not get the starter working, then you need a different starter. Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Bob R wrote: I have removed the starter, but the solenoid back on, packed up and I'm heading over to UPS. Gary provided stellar customer serviceso far. Yes. Our problem was in December. We used hammer on starter for about 10 days and then the problem disappeared. Gary found us a German solenoid - he knew we do not allow china in our house - china junque does not cut it in our house, no matter what. Death By China documentary - has anyone seen that flick yet? The issue is not merely low cost, low quality - it is environmental degradation, child labor, low wages, more... I want to see this when DVD comes available and library purchases. youtube trailers are interesting. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Sorry, I'm late to all this, but I see your post where you mention the problem is the relay... I didn't catch up on all the rest of them yet. But, Being a 1980, this probably has the earlier style relay. You can open these up and clean the contacts. If you hear it clicking, then the solenoid inside is probably good. On my 79 300SD (same relay design), one of the two contacts was bent up a bit from heat and not making any contact. The second contact was dirty and not conducting well. Bending things back into shape and some cleaning with emory cloth got it working well again. Maybe this is a useful tidbit. Also, I know this is obvious and probably mentioned before, but check the fuse carefully. It may look good, but a slight crack means its bad. Remove it to inspect it. And finally, just speaking from experience here, don't assume that just because you fixed something, that its still fixed. That is, check you batter cables again very carefully, and all your other grounds for that matter. Good luck! Jaime On Sun, Apr 7, 2013 at 4:32 PM, Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. Bob R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com -- Jaime Kopchinski http://www.jaimekop.com/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Years ago (probably 20 or so) SWMBO was Executive Director of Community Arts Council; she called early one afternoon from local bank president's home; our '80 240D wouldn't start. Mr. and Mrs. Bnk Pres. wanted to call AAA for her; she said, Let me call Wilton first. 'Just happened to catch me at home; I rushed over, pulled up behind the 240D, got out with broom stick in my hand; asked SWMBO to get in, pull hood latch and when I say, 'Start it,' start it. I opened hood, stuck broom stick down into right rear of engine compartment, and, as I went Bam, bam, bam! with stick on starter, I said, Start it! 240D said, Kernk!, RRDDDRR, RRDDRR, RRDDRR, etc. (Some call it 'klata, klata,' sounds more like RRDDRR, RRDDRR, RRDDRR, to me). Mr. and Mrs. Banker were amazed by my magic stick. Wilton - Original Message - From: Dan Penoff d...@penoff.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 6:42 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update. Funny story about starter abuse: Co-worker had a PT Cruiser that had intermittent starting problems, as in it would not crank at random times. Knowing I had a little automotive experience (his words) he asked me if I had any idea as to the problem. Check all of your battery terminals, chassis grounds and the battery. Next day it acts up again. He takes it to a Firestone shop across the street from work. Comes back at the end of the day with a new battery and cables. A week later it pukes again in our parking structure. It goes back to Firestone. Just had a loose cable. No charge! Yup, you guessed it. Did it again a few weeks later. Just so happens I was leaving late and he was there in the parking structure trying to get it to work. So what do you think it is, Dan?, Manny asks me. Did you check everything I told you? Sure did. All the cables are tight, battery is new, etc. Got anything in the trunk like a tire iron or a golf club? puzzled look I have a baseball bat. Perfect! Bring it here. So I manage to locate the starter, which on this PT Cruiser was in the front of the engine and fairly accessible. I took the bat and rapped on the starter with the end of the bat several times. The car started. He had the car for another 6-8 months before he sold it. Never failed to start again. Dan Sent from my iPad On Apr 8, 2013, at 3:58 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: I used a piece of 1/2 or 3/4 pipe. If that does not get the starter working, then you need a different starter. Have ya banged the starter with a stick from the top while holding the key in START position? If not, please, do and see what happens (don't be shy/bashful with the stick). Wilton ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
An auto electric shop that repairs/rebuilds starters can get them. If you find a source, you want a Bosch. I'm working on the warranty thing right now. Oddly enough, I got this starter from Gary. I'm going to get a big dose of his customer service right now. And, as a point of data for everyone, no one sells starter solenoids by them self anymore. Bob R On Apr 8, 2013 2:14 PM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Mon, 8 Apr 2013 13:26:38 -0700 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The solenoid came installed on the new Bosch starter I bought three months ago. So what holds that's so annoying on? Is it allen head? You bought it new three months ago? What kind of warranty does it have? Can you not make good on the warranty? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. Bob R I'd unhook the battery, take loose the electric switch off the steering lock and check the wires against a wiring diagram. Alt: 1. see if you are getting juice to the starter relay with key on start 2. see if you are getting juice to the GP relay from the switch ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Did you REPLACE THE FUSE? Those things get wonky easily. --R On 4/7/13 5:07 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
You mean the big 80 amp one? It looks good I took it off and cleaned around it and put it back in. I think Herr Doktor would be okay with that. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:11 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Did you REPLACE THE FUSE? Those things get wonky easily. --R On 4/7/13 5:07 PM, Bob Rentfro wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com __**_ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/**archive/http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/**mailman/listinfo/mercedes_**okiebenz.comhttp://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Bingo, sounds like your wiring is messed up, AND you've got other issues now complicating the scene. You probably need to start with a wiring diagram, and validate each and every wire connected to the ignition switch and the glow plug relay and the starter. The AC wiring on my '87 wagon had been brutalized by some ignoramus, took me a full day to trace everything out, remove and correct the fix wiring, diagnose the real faults, and start down the path of putting it right. -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 240D starting woes update.
Should click (energize) at position 2, position 3 is the last spring loaded position which energizes the starter? I'm assuming position zero is off, and 1 is the accessory position... -- Max Dillon Charleston SC '95 E300, '87 300TD, '73 Balboa 20 Bob Rentfro azbob...@gmail.com wrote: The previous owner had this car all jacked up. The ignition switch was a disaster so I replaced it. This is a separate problem from the initial problem. I think I have it narrowed down to the glowplug relay now. Its clicking when I turn the key to position three. Bob R On Apr 7, 2013 2:05 PM, Fmiser fmi...@gmail.com wrote: Bob Rentfro wrote: Here is the deal: turn the key to position 2 no glow light. Turn the key to start position, nothing.but I can hear one kinda loud click coming from the fuse bus area. The ignition switch (mechanical and electrical portions) has been replaced. New starter, new cables, line from ignition switch to solenoid is good. Battery readings are SAT. What should I go after now? It's my manual 1980 240D. If the problem showed up with the replacement of the keyswitch, I'd suspect trouble there. With a test light (or a volt meter), I'd try to track the flow. Is +12 getting _to_ the switch? Is it on the appropriate terminals for the various keyswitch positions? --Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com For new and used parts go to www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
