Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Plenty o' roadkill deer and possum and coons, no work needed to collect fresh meat on our road. I have dragged more than a few of dead deer out of my driveway and the roadside in front of my vast estate. Went out one morning to get the paper and there was a big deer in the median of the road, figured I would go out later and drag it into the woods for the clean-up crew. It was gone then, figured someone picked it up for supper or dogs. --R On 1/27/14 8:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Yeah but if the fella learned to use the bommerang, he could go out and hunt animals with it and not have to buy meat. WB could at least have signed the bommerang I suppose? Hendrik who does not know how to use a bommerrang On 28/01/14 09:09, Rich Thomas wrote: So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a tip. The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
WE have deer all over D.C., especially on the grounds of the VP's estate. On Fri, Jan 31, 2014 at 9:26 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Plenty o' roadkill deer and possum and coons, no work needed to collect fresh meat on our road. I have dragged more than a few of dead deer out of my driveway and the roadside in front of my vast estate. Went out one morning to get the paper and there was a big deer in the median of the road, figured I would go out later and drag it into the woods for the clean-up crew. It was gone then, figured someone picked it up for supper or dogs. --R On 1/27/14 8:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Yeah but if the fella learned to use the bommerang, he could go out and hunt animals with it and not have to buy meat. WB could at least have signed the bommerang I suppose? Hendrik who does not know how to use a bommerrang On 28/01/14 09:09, Rich Thomas wrote: So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a tip. The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
Your're Fired would certainly take a much more sinister meaning if that happened... Can't see that idea would gain my support... starving to death with your unfed family while looking for work is so much more humane.. Gad ! it's a cruel world... Grant... On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and are a drain on the rest of society. I am sure once word gets out that people without jobs get a bullet in the head, they'll lining up for miles at the local walmart/KFC/subway/etc Hendrik who is not unemployed On 30/01/14 12:53, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat. There seems to be waaay too much fret over life and death these days. A few bad apples killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive. The touchy-feely coddle every bad action is losing favor. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
Speaking of /*extremes */- I read a book about the Great Depression (the one in the late 20s and 30s) ;-) - it told of employment being so hard to find that at one of the car factories (maybe more than one) jobs were very treasured. Seems they would clean the auto bodies with gasoline to prep them for painting. Some poor fellow - who probably thought he was lucky to have a job - would wipe the car down until clean. Things being like they were (emphasis on were) there would be a spark every few days or weeks with the obvious result. Before the day was done there'd be a line all the way around one of those very large buildings containing men wanting to apply for the job. It was a different world. Which prompts another little known fact. The thing that brought us out of the GP (BTW, it wasn't FDRs many pet programs) -- was WW2. The mentality at the time and pride in this country was so great that in one small town 4 or 5 men who had been turned down for military service after Pearl Harbor went home and committed suicide from the shame of being unable to help defend this great nation. I wish they hadn't killed themselves - we could have used them to teach younger generations just how lucky they were to live in the USA. Sincerely, Larry On 1/30/2014 10:37 AM, G Mann wrote: Your're Fired would certainly take a much more sinister meaning if that happened... Can't see that idea would gain my support... starving to death with your unfed family while looking for work is so much more humane.. Gad ! it's a cruel world... Grant... On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and are a drain on the rest of society. I am sure once word gets out that people without jobs get a bullet in the head, they'll lining up for miles at the local walmart/KFC/subway/etc Hendrik who is not unemployed On 30/01/14 12:53, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat. There seems to be waaay too much fret over life and death these days. A few bad apples killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive. The touchy-feely coddle every bad action is losing favor. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
What fact? Just because you repeat a canard it doesn't make it true. . http://blog.independent.org/2010/02/16/one-more-time-world-war-ii-did-not-bring-us-out-of-the-depression/ On Thu, Jan 30, 2014 at 9:13 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Speaking of /*extremes */- I read a book about the Great Depression (the one in the late 20s and 30s) ;-) - it told of employment being so hard to find that at one of the car factories (maybe more than one) jobs were very treasured. Seems they would clean the auto bodies with gasoline to prep them for painting. Some poor fellow - who probably thought he was lucky to have a job - would wipe the car down until clean. Things being like they were (emphasis on were) there would be a spark every few days or weeks with the obvious result. Before the day was done there'd be a line all the way around one of those very large buildings containing men wanting to apply for the job. It was a different world. Which prompts another little known fact. The thing that brought us out of the GP (BTW, it wasn't FDRs many pet programs) -- was WW2. The mentality at the time and pride in this country was so great that in one small town 4 or 5 men who had been turned down for military service after Pearl Harbor went home and committed suicide from the shame of being unable to help defend this great nation. I wish they hadn't killed themselves - we could have used them to teach younger generations just how lucky they were to live in the USA. Sincerely, Larry On 1/30/2014 10:37 AM, G Mann wrote: Your're Fired would certainly take a much more sinister meaning if that happened... Can't see that idea would gain my support... starving to death with your unfed family while looking for work is so much more humane.. Gad ! it's a cruel world... Grant... On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 9:23 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and are a drain on the rest of society. I am sure once word gets out that people without jobs get a bullet in the head, they'll lining up for miles at the local walmart/KFC/subway/etc Hendrik who is not unemployed On 30/01/14 12:53, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat. There seems to be waaay too much fret over life and death these days. A few bad apples killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive. The touchy-feely coddle every bad action is losing favor. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens
Wrong - the bad apples are born with that propensity and are pushed over the edge by early abuse, bad circumstances (poverty), etc. Fear of punishment does not deter bad apples. However, capitol punishment or life with possibility of parole does remove them from the general population. On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:23 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: A few bad apples killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive. The touchy-feely coddle every bad action is losing favor. mao -- OK Don They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety. - Benjamin Franklin 1775 in this world nothing can be said to be certain, except death and taxes. - Benjamin Franklin 1789 2013 F150, 18 mpg 2012 Passat TDI DSG, 44 mpg 1957 C182A, 12 mpg - but at 150 mph! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
Thats probably the worst argument I've ever seen. Of course the war years were difficult does the author not realize what fighting for your life means? Still its probably more true to say something like The end of the war marked the end of the depression. but changes to the American economy caused by the war probably had more than a little to do with it. -Curt Date: Thu, 30 Jan 2014 09:57:02 -0700 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens Message-ID: CAC35L=s4z2xhfud-8ranbsqb0ssydhw_dkvwvvxgd76waqz...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What fact? Just because you repeat a canard it doesn't make it true. . http://blog.independent.org/2010/02/16/one-more-time-world-war-ii-did-not-bring-us-out-of-the-depression/ ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
A bullet is expensive. And you would have to hunt down the unemployed. Best to allow them to find their own way. Make it so there is no money to be had if you have no viable form of employment/income. Instead of farming Grandma out keep her at home with the family. Bound to be useful instead of being made a bag lady. AS for the young, allow them to find a path to survival. No payment for squirting out babies, or free food. Sell the kids for medical experiments. Book your body for science. Go work in the fields picking tomato and lettuce. Decriminalize small self employment opportunities. Let them be hookers. At least then, the tax man has something to collect. clay On Jan 29, 2014, at 8:23 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and are a drain on the rest of society. I am sure once word gets out that people without jobs get a bullet in the head, they'll lining up for miles at the local walmart/KFC/subway/etc Hendrik who is not unemployed On 30/01/14 12:53, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat. There seems to be waaay too much fret over life and death these days. A few bad apples killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive. The touchy-feely coddle every bad action is losing favor. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens
OK Don wrote: Wrong - the bad apples are born with that propensity and are pushed over the edge by early abuse, bad circumstances (poverty), etc. I hear ya. Somehow it seems that lead is a good solution, but that is not allowed. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
HF wrote: Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and are a drain on the rest of society. Come visit again. I provide get away car and lead. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
clay wrote: Book your body for science. Gotta find that website. For years I have said that living at Chernobyl would be sublime. From what I understand things thrive there despite the high numbers of bad stuff. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more life experience. I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board. Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the I wonder how your votes counted in the last election? Too bad we'll never know: http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities Personally I am partial to Redemopublicraticans. Best, Tim Drove to vote in the 300D... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to vote them off the island to take a reality show phrase. We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government reform. Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times.. etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that Kadifi died? Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,, history repeats it's self.. I'd rather vote and have it really mean something. Grant... [Basically peaceful, in a get off my lawn sorta way] On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more life experience. I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board. Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the I wonder how your votes counted in the last election? Too bad we'll never know: http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities Personally I am partial to Redemopublicraticans. Best, Tim Drove to vote in the 300D... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to vote them off the island to take a reality show phrase. We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government reform. Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times.. etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that Kadifi died? Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,, history repeats it's self.. I'd rather vote and have it really mean something. Grant... [Basically peaceful, in a get off my lawn sorta way] Then there was that womanwhassername? moochie antoinette? How did she fare? She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Grant wrote: Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Partially true. Don't forget to factor in the realty of the dumbing down of 312M people, of which, probably 100M are able to be balloted, i.e. a realistic number of 312M should not ever be considered ballot-able, myself included... Add to your proposal that there is zero $$ allowed in the election processes (as long as we are dreaming). While I cannot entirely buy-in to the money is speech argument against recent SC decision, $$ really do buy influence and mind control. The process should be by the people for the people and based on man to man communication of ideas. Tough to do, but I it can be done. Other limits would be needed and proper self-initiated vetting needs to be taught, i.e. because I read the xerox flyer, because I read it on the interwebs, because I heard it on tv/radio - these don't count as vetting. Vetting by definition begins man to man locally. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
There seems to be a population size at which the law of diminishing returns slowly reduces the efficiency and viability of a population as the population exceeds a certain size. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diminishing_returns Populations that exceed that size due to uncontrolled immigration and/or reproduction find themselves becoming less manageable, less productive, less competitive; and the qualilty of life for the population as a whole goes down. Gerry On 1/29/2014 11:03 AM, G Mann wrote: With all respect for your opinion, I still believe we need to vote them off the island to take a reality show phrase. We have a potential candidate pool of some 312,000,000 citizens to choose from, why mess around. Part of the problem presently is that we the people have gone soft and allowed the people we voted in to represent our interest to operate without being held responsible. Being barred for life from public office sends a strong message to others who follow to act responsibly and take the oath of office to heart. Setting such a hard limit, I believe, would re-empower the voting citizen. I believe that is a necessary step in the non lethal route to government reform. Or.. we could just wait for the revolt that is likely coming and watch them be dragged into the streets by angry mobs.. History is full of that... what was the Italian guys name again that was hung, upside down, shot 7 times.. etc etc.. ummm Mussolini, was it? just to name one.. and how was it that Kadifi died? Once the tide of public anger rises to the break point,, history repeats it's self.. I'd rather vote and have it really mean something. Grant... [Basically peaceful, in a get off my lawn sorta way] On Wed, Jan 29, 2014 at 8:33 AM, Tim Crone bb...@crone.us wrote: On Jan 28, 2014 11:03 PM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. In fairness, a negative vote for a particular candidate for a particular office at a particular time doesn't necessarily mean that candidate wouldn't be good for some other office, or at some other time, or with more life experience. I like the NOTA option but I don't think it's reasonable to permanently ban someone who might be a good DA just because no one believed they should be on the Soil and Water Conservation board. Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the I wonder how your votes counted in the last election? Too bad we'll never know: http://io9.com/5114481/a-vote-for-the-flying-spaghetti-monster-is-a-vote-for-al-franken-say-minnesota-authorities Personally I am partial to Redemopublicraticans. Best, Tim Drove to vote in the 300D... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say let them eat cake she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite different than cake. She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much ran her world... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:19:12 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens Message-ID: a0624080ccf0ed9ce48fa@[192.168.1.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Then there was that womanwhassername? moochie antoinette? How did she fare? She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
cake was the burnt crumbs that stick to the pan after baking bread, usually tossed out or to the pigs, or serfs or peasants or whatever the freenchies called them. --R On 1/29/14 6:24 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say let them eat cake she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite different than cake. She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much ran her world... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 10:19:12 -0600 From: Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens Message-ID: a0624080ccf0ed9ce48fa@[192.168.1.52] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii ; format=flowed Then there was that womanwhassername? moochie antoinette? How did she fare? She had a similar disdain for the people as what moochel antoinette has. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
I don't think Marie had distain for people, remember she didn't say let them eat cake she in fact said brioche which is a kind of sweet bread quite different than cake. She wasn't disdainful she was out of touch, she'd never been hungry and never had to work. She had no clue there were people who didn't have enough to eat. I'm not entirely sure it was her fault as much as the advisors that pretty much ran her world... -Curt Still pretty much fits the current situation. Change the She to HE, her to his, and it also fits mr. moochelle too. Except I'd argue that both are aware that there are people who don't know where the next meal will come from, but only want to use them for their own political advantage. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Dieselhead wrote: Except I'd argue that both are aware that there are people who don't know where the next meal will come from, but only want to use them for their own political advantage. That seems to be the gig. Imagine you are there - you don't know where the next meal will come from. Are you gonna sign up for food stamps? Not me. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Hendrik and Fay wrote: I think the Jehovahs are like that? Jaweh's Witnesses don't believe in parts mixing, so no transplants or even plasma transfusions. Another group, I think Christian Scientists, are similar in that regard. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That was common practice during the 1930s; prison or the army at $20 per month. That was before soldiers had any rights. An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. Gerry On 1/27/2014 11:12 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: ...I think giving young criminals a choice of serving in the forces or jail, might be a good thing, as they already have some of their life taken away. Hendrik who did not serve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Gerry wrote: An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat. There seems to be waaay too much fret over life and death these days. A few bad apples killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive. The touchy-feely coddle every bad action is losing favor. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Read Tom Clancey's biography of Fred Franks (I'll give it to you if you want) where he explains that one of the problems in Vietnam and even into the early '80s was the number of young men given the option of prison or the military that went into the military and did a rotten job because they didn't want to be there... -Curt Date: Wed, 29 Jan 2014 20:44:09 -0500 From: arche...@embarqmail.com arche...@embarqmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the non citizens Message-ID: 52e9ae69.8000...@embarqmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed That was common practice during the 1930s; prison or the army at $20 per month. That was before soldiers had any rights. An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. Gerry On 1/27/2014 11:12 PM, Hendrik and Fay wrote: ...I think giving young criminals a choice of serving in the forces or jail, might be a good thing, as they already have some of their life taken away. Hendrik who did not serve ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and shoot 99% of the non citizens
Yeah perhaps we could shoot a few unemployed, they produce nothing and are a drain on the rest of society. I am sure once word gets out that people without jobs get a bullet in the head, they'll lining up for miles at the local walmart/KFC/subway/etc Hendrik who is not unemployed On 30/01/14 12:53, Mountain Man wrote: Gerry wrote: An officer could shoot an enlisted man who refused or disobeyed a direct order and there were no criminal penalties filed against the officer, but there was a hearing to determine if the shooting was justified. As inhumane as that sounds... It seems appropriat. There seems to be waaay too much fret over life and death these days. A few bad apples killed under these circumstances and I bet many more bad apples don't go bad? - that is the common brainwash we receive. The touchy-feely coddle every bad action is losing favor. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. In the US of A now, it means beyond the beltway or thinking as a Merkun, not as a washington insider. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Randy sez: I am not an economist and cannot explain how it all works, but I cannot help but wonder how much good it does to raise the minimum wage. We raise the wage and since employee costs are usually one of the biggest items on the books, the prices have to be increased. Then the employee making more money gets taxed more. The folks who buy the stuff at the store where the prices went up need more to pay their costs so they raise the prices on whatever they sell etc. By the time we are done, the folks who got the raise may not be any better off. Ah! But the whole point of it is: raising min wage bumps all prices higher, meaning tax receipts go up, thereby the goobermnt goobers have more money taken at gunpoint to spend. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do good things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R Hypocrisy at its finest ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Osamacare is paying homage to Fat Teddy Kennedy. Kennedy coined the term Osama to refer to O'Bummer So, Yes, Osamacare is just another name for O'Bummercare, O'Bunglercare or what have you. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, I think you're right - 99.9% of the politicians are the same - they are in it for themselves IMO. I believe T Cruz and M Lee are the exceptions but these guys (meaning politicians in general) change their stripes at the drop of a hat (or dollar bill) - but I think the media is much to blame - after all, who would put themselves through the spotlight of running a big campaign - where only one will get their moneys worth for spending millions on a campaign. The others are left to pay their bills somehow and find another job. Those potential money problems added to the media going through your garbage looking for something bad they can scream from the headlines. And it doesn't have to be true - a front page headline today or a back page retraction needing a magnifying glass to read. Which one will be remembered? We all have things in our past we'd prefer not to see on tomorrows 6 O'Clock News. Sadly, a lot of politicians have criminal pasts and STILL get elected/re-elected.Shows low expectations in our politicians it seems... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 9:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Larry wrote: The republicans are not falling for it at this time - but we don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. I will hi-jack your comments to state politics - IL. It turns out that the one republican out of 4 in the primary that interests me, come to find out, is probably a D in R clothes. He touts he is not career politician which sounds good, but gives millions in investments to D mayor of the city - yes, ChiTown - mayor was former chief of staff for the prez. Go figure. Dem in Rep clothes, or career politician. How is there a choice today in politics? Why vote? There is zero choice - it is all crooks. Vote is complete fraud. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What type of dangerous legislation would you expect these days from Congress? It seems that their incapacity might be a good thing, based on Grant's quote from Will Rogers - The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session Really - what type of legislation do we need? I posit we need legislation to remove legislation, i.e. remove 5 laws for every new law contemplated. That would be a real challenge. mao HEAR! HEAR! nothing could be more true! ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a tip. The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R WB is not ashamed to tell what he things we should do. But the same as Goobermnt officious ones Holeywood rich, wallst crowd and the like, it is hypocrisy. Do as I say, not as I do. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You cheap bastard! ;) I do $2 a day. Its amazing how much nicer the room gets when you leave the money. In Argentina I left American money and delightful Argentine chocolates appeared on my pillow. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:34:22 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: CAC35L=u_gm89tnyardvlkid0zh-crk_dxh+8+xatwnnz77w...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That's an interesting picture you paint! you mentioned the horse at 10mph - that would have seemed like you were going incredibly fast at the time! People never saw much higher speed than 10mph unless falling from a cliff until the mechanical engines were created (a little before your 100 yr time frame). back in 2014 (the year my Dad was born) the Wright Bros with their crazy ideas had been in the air for several years, motor vehicles were beginning to populate the muddy, rutted roads of America. The Ford Model T started production in 1908 BTW. The good ol days ;-^ Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 6:31 PM, clay wrote: But then we live in a very different world, Dan. Responsibility for ones actions would have to return. Accepting fewer circus acts and free bread. Then again, we would have no need for all the toys and distractions. We would have healthy and hearty meals, no need to pay for gym memberships, no time for mass entertainment. Artists would have local audiences, and might make a living wage, instead of plunking out fake tunes on a computer. I was driving to the body shop this morning in the S430, and it dawned on me, radio blasting, that I was going 25mph and what would it have been like a century ago to be on the same street. Horse powered, no radio, maybe all of 10mph at a trot. I would have to sing to myself. Might trust the horse to plod along while reading a book. Unless it were raining. I would need to be bundled up instead of allowing the heat and seat warmer to coddle me. And what of the other traffic? Maybe a garbage cart, no school buses, or distracted mothers in SUV toting kidlets to school. Ice carts, milk cart, tinker, firewood hauler, a carriage or two. Street packed with employed people doing jobs. Fresh food, since it would be hard to put up enough that you could avoid going to the market every few days. It would take a few hours to make a meal for the family instead of tossing some mystery ration into the nuker. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 3:11 PM, Mountain Man wrote: clay wrote: If we should slow down how productive industry is, we might be able to find more productive employment opportunities. Ahh... For the days of low productivity and many persons doing what one person and machines do today. Totally agree. Decreased productivity means more jobs. Forget about minimum wage - if we open our hearts and give rather than believe the lie that *taking is admirable* we might recover the country that made us great. Think about the low productivity in building 10 airplanes each day during the war 70 years ago. Nobody complained about wage - they/we did our job and were happy to put a hand to the task. Today we would be hard pressed to put a hand to a war machine like in 1940+ but I would guess if we were inventive we might find efforts for more of us to work rather than administer, and give rather take. Real work was accomplished when productivity was much less. Nice catch Clay!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war and bloodshed. How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. mao snip Why draw the line at 65? Why not 35? At age 35, women are into their waning years for reproduction, men and women both, will have had 10 yrs of peak production in industry.. keep fresh stock in the social mill. If you are going to have a total nanny state, what restrictions should lowly citizens have on government, after all.. since only government knows what is best for society.. right? Compulsory state service? Why stop at only 2 years. If it is good for society why not require lifetime service? Individual choice, or states choice, who owns the individual, that individuals life and work effort? It is a question debated in each generation, isn't it? Why? Grant... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:52 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Latest polling suggests you are losing the grey vote Hendrik who still has a fair way to to until 65 On 28/01/14 13:26, Mountain Man wrote: HF wrote: Hmmnh, sounds familiar. Obviously you'll need wars for all these heroes to shed blood in, perhaps set them on the non citizens? Perhaps for now we'll just put this proposal in the maybe pile. That was what I was thinking also. More war? Where? Why? Do any of these blood shedding warriors return home or do they all die? - who wants some warrior-spirit guy in the office teaching kids? A good percentage are maimed for life from what I am hearing. I'll add another line in the suggested chapter since we don't like war and bloodshed. How about no health care for people older than 65. The challenge is to live to age 65 in such a way that you have no health issues. Lose the boomers, more jobs for the unemployed youth that have education debt, etc. Yeah, 65 is old enough, I'll be there in a few years. The time has been good and we eat well, no health issues. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the tips
Reminds me of that Aussie classic, Now you'll Think I'm Awful. Not to mention my all time favorite series - Barry McKenzie I spent 3.5 yrs. in Fiji 40 + years ago and unavoidably came into contact with a bunch of Aussies and Tassies. Since it's a relatively small country, you might know some of them. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Depends on how much we managed to mess up the sheets. Hendrik who did do some tipping, reluctantly On 28/01/14 15:04, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Or perhaps: undereducated, opinionated rednecks, clinging o their guns and religion.. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:07 AM, Dieselhead 126die...@gmail.com wrote: beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. In the US of A now, it means beyond the beltway or thinking as a Merkun, not as a washington insider. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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For everyone's benefit, Australia has a no tipping mentality, or used to have one. 40 years ago if you tried to tip a Sydney cabbie he would bite your hand off. The meters ran in pennies, so it was always tempting to round up. I remember being driven for what seemed like forever and the fare came to 28 OZ cents. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 5:47 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: You cheap bastard! ;) I do $2 a day. Its amazing how much nicer the room gets when you leave the money. In Argentina I left American money and delightful Argentine chocolates appeared on my pillow. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 23:34:22 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: CAC35L=u_gm89tnyardvlkid0zh-crk_dxh+8+xatwnnz77w...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant wrote: Individual choice, or states choice, who owns the individual, that individuals life and work effort? It is a question debated in each generation, isn't it? Why? Why? - because we all want more, not less. Shall we start the less-for-me political party? Does anyone want to join? Yeah, I didn't think so. That is why we have the dialog each generation. And then you get some wise-acre that says - ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. That disrupts the concepts of more that drives retail junque and then someone ended his life. The lessfor-me has nobody to tap for following. No money for advertising. All sounds good. Now we need to have write-in campaign established and every election can vote for the less-for-me local candidate. That might hurt every politico out there. mao - dreaming... of course... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? I don't do hotels. They are disgusting. This is based on reports from a person I know that works at a reputable hotel. Hotels are the best place to acquire disgusting things. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Another way to stabilize the excesses of government would be to make running for office a terminal proposition. If you run for office and win, then you will have two terms in which to play that game. At the end of your short career, you are given a low key send off. A bottle of your favored booze, a rub and tug, and then your constituents are given hammers and you are retired. Bureaucrats can get the same sort of treatment. If you go looking for the job, you will be paid a reasonable salary. If you rise through the ranks into management and have a higher position, we get to use smaller hammers. This allows you a longer moment to reflect upon your glorious service. Those poor souls who are thrust into the positions of leadership against their wills will be able to leave after the crisis is past. The sooner you get the task done, the less likely you will be given a hero's send off. On Jan 28, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Larry T wrote: Yeah, I think you're right - 99.9% of the politicians are the same - they are in it for themselves IMO. I believe T Cruz and M Lee are the exceptions but these guys (meaning politicians in general) change their stripes at the drop of a hat (or dollar bill) - but I think the media is much to blame - after all, who would put themselves through the spotlight of running a big campaign - where only one will get their moneys worth for spending millions on a campaign. The others are left to pay their bills somehow and find another job. Those potential money problems added to the media going through your garbage looking for something bad they can scream from the headlines. And it doesn't have to be true - a front page headline today or a back page retraction needing a magnifying glass to read. Which one will be remembered? We all have things in our past we'd prefer not to see on tomorrows 6 O'Clock News. Sadly, a lot of politicians have criminal pasts and STILL get elected/re-elected.Shows low expectations in our politicians it seems... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 9:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Larry wrote: The republicans are not falling for it at this time - but we don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. I will hi-jack your comments to state politics - IL. It turns out that the one republican out of 4 in the primary that interests me, come to find out, is probably a D in R clothes. He touts he is not career politician which sounds good, but gives millions in investments to D mayor of the city - yes, ChiTown - mayor was former chief of staff for the prez. Go figure. Dem in Rep clothes, or career politician. How is there a choice today in politics? Why vote? There is zero choice - it is all crooks. Vote is complete fraud. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Clay, I think you have Nailed it' ... hahahahahahahahah.. Thanks,, best and most stress relief I've had in political discussion in months.. It would completely cure the re-election problem wouldn't it.. elegant and simple... just hammer the bastards to death... how satisfying, considering the current popularity enjoyed by congress, that just might come to pass.. Let them eat cake... On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 3:03 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Another way to stabilize the excesses of government would be to make running for office a terminal proposition. If you run for office and win, then you will have two terms in which to play that game. At the end of your short career, you are given a low key send off. A bottle of your favored booze, a rub and tug, and then your constituents are given hammers and you are retired. Bureaucrats can get the same sort of treatment. If you go looking for the job, you will be paid a reasonable salary. If you rise through the ranks into management and have a higher position, we get to use smaller hammers. This allows you a longer moment to reflect upon your glorious service. Those poor souls who are thrust into the positions of leadership against their wills will be able to leave after the crisis is past. The sooner you get the task done, the less likely you will be given a hero's send off. On Jan 28, 2014, at 4:33 AM, Larry T wrote: Yeah, I think you're right - 99.9% of the politicians are the same - they are in it for themselves IMO. I believe T Cruz and M Lee are the exceptions but these guys (meaning politicians in general) change their stripes at the drop of a hat (or dollar bill) - but I think the media is much to blame - after all, who would put themselves through the spotlight of running a big campaign - where only one will get their moneys worth for spending millions on a campaign. The others are left to pay their bills somehow and find another job. Those potential money problems added to the media going through your garbage looking for something bad they can scream from the headlines. And it doesn't have to be true - a front page headline today or a back page retraction needing a magnifying glass to read. Which one will be remembered? We all have things in our past we'd prefer not to see on tomorrows 6 O'Clock News. Sadly, a lot of politicians have criminal pasts and STILL get elected/re-elected.Shows low expectations in our politicians it seems... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 9:00 PM, Mountain Man wrote: Larry wrote: The republicans are not falling for it at this time - but we don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. I will hi-jack your comments to state politics - IL. It turns out that the one republican out of 4 in the primary that interests me, come to find out, is probably a D in R clothes. He touts he is not career politician which sounds good, but gives millions in investments to D mayor of the city - yes, ChiTown - mayor was former chief of staff for the prez. Go figure. Dem in Rep clothes, or career politician. How is there a choice today in politics? Why vote? There is zero choice - it is all crooks. Vote is complete fraud. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. Wouldn't that be good? On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 2:39 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Grant wrote: Individual choice, or states choice, who owns the individual, that individuals life and work effort? It is a question debated in each generation, isn't it? Why? Why? - because we all want more, not less. Shall we start the less-for-me political party? Does anyone want to join? Yeah, I didn't think so. That is why we have the dialog each generation. And then you get some wise-acre that says - ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. That disrupts the concepts of more that drives retail junque and then someone ended his life. The lessfor-me has nobody to tap for following. No money for advertising. All sounds good. Now we need to have write-in campaign established and every election can vote for the less-for-me local candidate. That might hurt every politico out there. mao - dreaming... of course... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the sheets
Mighta even messed up the sheets with some em. Hendrik who is 40+ On 29/01/14 07:37, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Reminds me of that Aussie classic, Now you'll Think I'm Awful. Not to mention my all time favorite series - Barry McKenzie I spent 3.5 yrs. in Fiji 40 + years ago and unavoidably came into contact with a bunch of Aussies and Tassies. Since it's a relatively small country, you might know some of them. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:59 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Depends on how much we managed to mess up the sheets. Hendrik who did do some tipping, reluctantly ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the pennies and cents
Was that round about the currency change over? The meter in pennies and fare in cents? Hendrik who is not old enough to remember that far back, well more than two days and I'm buggered On 29/01/14 07:41, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: For everyone's benefit, Australia has a no tipping mentality, or used to have one. 40 years ago if you tried to tip a Sydney cabbie he would bite your hand off. The meters ran in pennies, so it was always tempting to round up. I remember being driven for what seemed like forever and the fare came to 28 OZ cents. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the oldcitizens
This thread shows no sign of ending. So as not to fan the flames, I'll make just one final (for me) comment on the subject. When you find yourself in a hole, maybe it's time to stop digging. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the holes
Ahh come on now, we are solving the worlds problems, we have gone from 65 to 35 and I suppose the next logical step would be no health care, survival of the fittest. Which reminds me, aren't there some religious outfits that don't believe in medicine and such? I think the Jehovahs are like that? Hendrik who believes in modern science On 29/01/14 10:57, Scott Ritchey wrote: This thread shows no sign of ending. So as not to fan the flames, I'll make just one final (for me) comment on the subject. When you find yourself in a hole, maybe it's time to stop digging. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: Who among you tips hotel room maids by leaving a fiver on the pillow as you check out? Mountain wrote: I don't do hotels. I guess that means you sleep on the ground and shower in truckstops? -- Philip ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant wrote: Wouldn't that be good? That ballot initiative has my yes vote. But it ain't gonna happen. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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HF wrote: ...I suppose the next logical step would be no health care... snip who believes in modern science Yes, we eliminated ACA. Modern science is as much religion as Jehovahs. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Philip wrote: I guess that means you sleep on the ground and shower in truckstops? Drive until dark. Find a rural church at edge of town. Drive to back and sleep in W123 or on ground. Showers are over rated. Stay calm, no overload. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the pennies and cents
Cents = pennies in US jargon, mate. On Tue, Jan 28, 2014 at 7:08 PM, Hendrik and Fay heni...@gmail.com wrote: Was that round about the currency change over? The meter in pennies and fare in cents? Hendrik who is not old enough to remember that far back, well more than two days and I'm buggered On 29/01/14 07:41, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: For everyone's benefit, Australia has a no tipping mentality, or used to have one. 40 years ago if you tried to tip a Sydney cabbie he would bite your hand off. The meters ran in pennies, so it was always tempting to round up. I remember being driven for what seemed like forever and the fare came to 28 OZ cents. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
I've been espousing the idea for awhile. I have 2 steps though. If a plurality of people vote for none of the above we just run the election again but none of the previous candidates can run again since they obviously were unwanted. If 3/4 of people vote none of the above we run the election again but none of the candidates can ever run for ANYTHING again, not even dog catcher. In this way you wouldn't have to choose between the lesser of two evils which is still choosing evil after all. -Curt Date: Tue, 28 Jan 2014 15:22:45 -0700 From: G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens Message-ID: CANTuLYiE-0t51k2262D7rNpvwz=whxpn87q6z+xody2kiow...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. Wouldn't that be good? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 99% of the old citizens
Last 10 elections I've voted in I wished most strongly for a choice at the ballot that said NONE OF THE ABOVE .. if none of the above got the most votes, they could never run for or hold public office again in their lifetimes.. Wouldn't that be good? Hear HEAR! Sign me up! Many times I write in Daffy Duck or similar, who would be better candidates than what the democans and republicrats offer. Most of the time we get a choice between socialists or marxists, or socialist or socialist lite. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and politicians
very. i was responding to Diesel head' On Jan 27, 2014 12:18 AM, Craig diese...@pisquared.net wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 20:03:16 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Andrew wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. Totally. But, that is the context of the answer Japan gave 70 years ago, supposedly. That context has no reality today, I suspect. mao Andrew wasn't commenting about your posting, Dan. He was answering Rick Knoble's question from a different sub-thread. He replied to your posting instead of directly replying to Rick's posting where the question was asked. Why? I don't know. He apparently likes to do that since this was the second time in a couple of days he has done it. It does make things confusing, doesn't it? Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40 TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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re: Very little free... Agree completely. I should have mentioned all the freedoms we lose every time congress or local govt passes a law. I also think the so-called Unintended Consequences are well planned consequences... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:22 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
One of my favorite quotes is of Mark Twain: The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session or was it Will Rogers? Who ever said it, nailed the problem dead on... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: re: Very little free... Agree completely. I should have mentioned all the freedoms we lose every time congress or local govt passes a law.I also think the so-called Unintended Consequences are well planned consequences... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:22 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40 TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Especially this Congress, which manages to be both ideologically extreme and totally incapable of passing any useful legislattion. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: One of my favorite quotes is of Mark Twain: The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session or was it Will Rogers? Who ever said it, nailed the problem dead on... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: re: Very little free... Agree completely. I should have mentioned all the freedoms we lose every time congress or local govt passes a law.I also think the so-called Unintended Consequences are well planned consequences... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:22 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:55:15 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: CAC35L=vY8y+cYbJBTBAh90KVLan616dVu=fhfho5xaewtzd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you are happy to fund welfare benefits for people who have a full time job, rather than require these corporations to pay a living wage? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Let prices rise, let people not have so much stuff. Our society is completely focused on buying low priced crap and using consumerism to fill the void left by lack of interpersonal communication. People would rather shop than build anything, be that things or connections with other people... -Curt Buying as little as possible, fixing things as often as practical and sometimes even beyond. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 10:35 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. Case in point: How often do any of US buy a NEW Mercedes? ;-) -MMM- ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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My cousin's husband and she think it works pretty well for them too. --R On 1/27/14 12:06 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:35 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40 TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... Tax and Spend doesn't work any better than Trickle Down, I'll even grant that its probably worse. Theres got to be a middle ground and thats what our elected idiots can't grasp. The Tea Party will never work out because their whole thing is We're not going to fund your idiot ideas. My idiot ideas are so much better. They don't really want to cut, they just want to cut SOMEBODY ELSE's funding. Same tune everybody else is singing to with different words. -Curt Date: Mon, 27 Jan 2014 11:35:39 -0500 From: Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net To: mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Message-ID: 52e68adb.4080...@comcast.net Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40 TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/01/2014 11:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt I am not an economist and cannot explain how it all works, but I cannot help but wonder how much good it does to raise the minimum wage. We raise the wage and since employee costs are usually one of the biggest items on the books, the prices have to be increased. Then the employee making more money gets taxed more. The folks who buy the stuff at the store where the prices went up need more to pay their costs so they raise the prices on whatever they sell etc. By the time we are done, the folks who got the raise may not be any better off. If we say we won't buy as much because the prices have gone up, then pretty soon some of the stores close and people who used to work there are out of work. Obviously a fine balance that is difficult to achieve. The problem appears to me to be more that too many people are being paid a lot more than they are worth. A lot of people have very high paying jobs with great benefits like pensions and holiday time etc. Most of them are not worth what they are getting. If we stopped letting them pay themselves obscene amounts then the corporations and the governments would not need quite so much money and there might be more to distribute to the folks at the bottom. Sounds socialist you say? Well, here in cold dark Manitoba we have had a left leaning provincial government for at least a decade that pays public employees obscene amounts and appears to want to hire more and more people, many of whom are useless, and accomplish very little. If, I had been smarter when I was younger, I probably would have found myself a nice government job. By now I would be retired with a very good pension and probably would have moved to some place warmer with lower taxes. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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There was an interesting analysis in the WSJ the other day about the minimum wage, and that it really has very little effect on much of anything other than political bloviation, and generally limiting jobs for people who make minimum wage. Of course, that can't be right because it doesn't fel right! --R On 1/27/14 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Most of the idiots with lots of money horde it by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do good things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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You beleive everything you read in the WSJ? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There was an interesting analysis in the WSJ the other day about the minimum wage, and that it really has very little effect on much of anything other than political bloviation, and generally limiting jobs for people who make minimum wage. Of course, that can't be right because it doesn't fel right! --R On 1/27/14 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Socialist policy is a failure Article in the paper today proclaims food stamps no longer support the young and elderly. It is used by working Americans. Our faithless leader has not done as promised, but has destroyed the hopes for millions of Americans. Osamacare is getting all sorts of spin. Trotting out numbers and statistics that are just begging for rose colored glasses. Washington State trumpets the massive number of people who signed up. But only 30% actually paid. The million who the state is parading for the success stories are actually the people who have switched from paying their own insurance, are now on medicare/medicaid. Expand the rolls of those not paying in, and have the common taxpayer cover it. We elected a socialist to the city council this year. She is railing against the massive tax increases that are about to be dropped on the working poor. Focus on expenditures for social services have plundered the coffers to the point that we are no longer able to provide infrastructure needs. The solution the politicos come up with is to cut bus service, jack car taxes, jack utility fees, cut road repair budgets, jack fuel tax,. So, now, the poor can not get to work by bus, their wallets get battered trying to fuel and register a car that will be the worse for wear on our roads, and just increases traffic. When they do get home, it will be too expensive to heat water and put out the trash. Looks like the welfare system is made to flip the bird to the working poor. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: My point is that the vast majority of the people here are white of western European ancestry, although we do have a goodly influx of Hispanics from various places. The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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What is Osamacare? Did you mean Obamacare and make a typo? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:42 AM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: Socialist policy is a failure Article in the paper today proclaims food stamps no longer support the young and elderly. It is used by working Americans. Our faithless leader has not done as promised, but has destroyed the hopes for millions of Americans. Osamacare is getting all sorts of spin. Trotting out numbers and statistics that are just begging for rose colored glasses. Washington State trumpets the massive number of people who signed up. But only 30% actually paid. The million who the state is parading for the success stories are actually the people who have switched from paying their own insurance, are now on medicare/medicaid. Expand the rolls of those not paying in, and have the common taxpayer cover it. We elected a socialist to the city council this year. She is railing against the massive tax increases that are about to be dropped on the working poor. Focus on expenditures for social services have plundered the coffers to the point that we are no longer able to provide infrastructure needs. The solution the politicos come up with is to cut bus service, jack car taxes, jack utility fees, cut road repair budgets, jack fuel tax,. So, now, the poor can not get to work by bus, their wallets get battered trying to fuel and register a car that will be the worse for wear on our roads, and just increases traffic. When they do get home, it will be too expensive to heat water and put out the trash. Looks like the welfare system is made to flip the bird to the working poor. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 4:17 PM, Peter Frederick wrote: My point is that the vast majority of the people here are white of western European ancestry, although we do have a goodly influx of Hispanics from various places. The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Peter ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Trickle down economics is just an euphemism for whizzdon. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fred, you are obviously a Socialist who doesn't listen to Limbaugh. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Trickle down economics is just an euphemism for whizzdon. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 12:06 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Trickle down works GREAT for the ultra wealthy, for sure. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Oh! I listen and LMAO! At my advanced age, I find most things are comical/tragic. (Shakes head and eats another cookie.) Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Sent: Monday, January 27, 2014 1:46 PM Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people Fred, you are obviously a Socialist who doesn't listen to Limbaugh. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:43 AM, Frederick Moir fredy4.s...@yahoo.comwrote: Trickle down economics is just an euphemism for whizzdon. Fred Moir Lynn MA Diesel preferred. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Some of it, but I believe *everything* in Huffington Post and Daily Kos. You know, where they present all the facts and data and stats and that kind of stuff to support their opining. --R On 1/27/14 1:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You beleive everything you read in the WSJ? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There was an interesting analysis in the WSJ the other day about the minimum wage, and that it really has very little effect on much of anything other than political bloviation, and generally limiting jobs for people who make minimum wage. Of course, that can't be right because it doesn't fel right! --R On 1/27/14 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I would think that prior to mass entitlement pogroms, people worked their butts off or died. Or both. Labor was and expendable and expandable resource and you were productive to stay alive. Now, the populace is no longer productive, but is a consumer of the labors of others. Job growth is in the services to others, the consumers of resources. If we should slow down how productive industry is, we might be able to find more productive employment opportunities. Sadly, some dolt will decide we need H1-B visas to meet the need than to educate those we have on tap. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Dieselhead wrote: My point is that the vast majority of the people here are white of western European ancestry, although we do have a goodly influx of Hispanics from various places. The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Peter an opinion. Where are the facts, and more to the point, how has the level of freeloaders changed form say 1880 when the nation was perhaps more prosperous than any other time, as evidenced by the many houses and barn built from 1873 to maybe 1890. I'd guess there were not many freeloaders in 1880 or 1890 before the progressives gained popularity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I am not a news junkie but have my own opinions, which, objectively speaking, are way superior to everyone else's. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:52 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Some of it, but I believe *everything* in Huffington Post and Daily Kos. You know, where they present all the facts and data and stats and that kind of stuff to support their opining. --R On 1/27/14 1:22 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: You beleive everything you read in the WSJ? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 11:06 AM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: There was an interesting analysis in the WSJ the other day about the minimum wage, and that it really has very little effect on much of anything other than political bloviation, and generally limiting jobs for people who make minimum wage. Of course, that can't be right because it doesn't fel right! --R On 1/27/14 12:32 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, that's a liberal position (clamping down on H1B visas). Good for you! On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:04 PM, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: I would think that prior to mass entitlement pogroms, people worked their butts off or died. Or both. Labor was and expendable and expandable resource and you were productive to stay alive. Now, the populace is no longer productive, but is a consumer of the labors of others. Job growth is in the services to others, the consumers of resources. If we should slow down how productive industry is, we might be able to find more productive employment opportunities. Sadly, some dolt will decide we need H1-B visas to meet the need than to educate those we have on tap. clay On Jan 25, 2014, at 5:14 PM, Dieselhead wrote: My point is that the vast majority of the people here are white of western European ancestry, although we do have a goodly influx of Hispanics from various places. The ratio of freeloaders to people who work hard is about the same everywhere, and in every culture. Peter an opinion. Where are the facts, and more to the point, how has the level of freeloaders changed form say 1880 when the nation was perhaps more prosperous than any other time, as evidenced by the many houses and barn built from 1873 to maybe 1890. I'd guess there were not many freeloaders in 1880 or 1890 before the progressives gained popularity. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:52:02 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: More follow up: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Acts 20:35, King James Version Neither of these leaves room for greed or amassing of wealth, perhaps? And perhaps this is what is critical against the accumulation of wealth - giving rather than receiving. Perhaps we should rather give as we receive so that we do not amass a fortune that needs to be dispersed. i.e. WarrenB gives more than he receives and starts a revolution rather than establishing socialism. The Bible doesn't condemn wealth. Consider that Abraham was a very wealthy person. Kings David and Solomon, as well as Job, were also very wealthy. It does, however, enjoin a proper attitude toward riches and toward God, as in 1 Timothy 6:16-20: As for the rich in this present age, charge them not to be haughty, nor to set their hopes on the uncertainty of riches, but on God, who richly provides us with everything to enjoy. They are to do good, to be rich in good works, to be generous and ready to share, thus storing up treasure for themselves as a good foundation for the future, so that they may take hold of that which is truly life. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve certainly was, and see where that got him! --R On 1/27/14 2:12 PM, Craig wrote: The Bible doesn't condemn wealth. Consider that Abraham was a very wealthy person. Kings David and Solomon, as well as Job, were also very wealthy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve who? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Steve certainly was, and see where that got him! --R On 1/27/14 2:12 PM, Craig wrote: The Bible doesn't condemn wealth. Consider that Abraham was a very wealthy person. Kings David and Solomon, as well as Job, were also very wealthy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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+1 Bill Gates thinks poverty will end by 2034. Local columnist thinks we can defeat homelessness. I think they are smoking a bit too much weed. What makes them believe that something that has been going on for millions of years will be eradicated by wishing it away? I am more interested in how to keep cruise ship passengers from being brought low by norovirus. If we plan to die out on this little rock, I guess it does not matter, but if we are thinking of getting out in the greater universe, we will need to know how to keep crews locked up in tin cans from pooping themselves to death clay On Jan 26, 2014, at 8:04 AM, G Mann wrote: It would appear [stay with me on this point please] that there is a critical mass point of gravy train population that can cause socialism to continue, however, in every case to date in history, that point is only a temporary sliding event that happens before the working people [who produce the capital necessary to support the funding and credit the whole house of cards is balanced on] stop producing. They simply quit, or die, or leave. History is a cruel teacher, but an exacting one. To refute this argument please give a list of self sustaining socialist civilizations that have survived on their own merits? It is a basic law of nature. You don't work, you starve and die. The Bible says, in pertinent part, Even the sparrow shall not want however, a careful study will show that no where does it say, God will put the food in the sparrows mouth.. even that sparrow must go work for it's food. Socialism, however, doesn't believe in God, it believes it IS god. So it believes it has no need to follow the rule of nature. Let me know how that works out... ha. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:49 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote: G Mann wrote: In each case stated in this thread of European countries with socialism and big government providing state health care , etc etc etc.. the tax rates paid by those who work are in the extreme range. ie. your work product is taken by the state and given to others who did not. And it all grinds to a halt when a critical mass of the populace decides it's better to ride the gravy train than to pull it. Mitch. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Steve Job, that guy in the bible. BTW, I think this is where you need to move when you retire. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3lMTn4oE_X8 /There are no wars in Muriburiland./ /No social scars in Muriburiland./ /A lonesome troubadour/ /Against yuppie culture./ /Gnu is friends with tiger/ in Muriburiland. /Nobody gets high in Muriburiland/ /Everybody has a house in Muriburiland./ /No profitability. Only solidarity./ /Cat is friends with mouse in Muriburiland./ --R On 1/27/14 2:31 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Steve who? On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 12:27 PM, Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote: Steve certainly was, and see where that got him! --R On 1/27/14 2:12 PM, Craig wrote: The Bible doesn't condemn wealth. Consider that Abraham was a very wealthy person. Kings David and Solomon, as well as Job, were also very wealthy. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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That is part of the issue we face. You deserve to bust your butt to remain alive. If you are not willing to put forth the effort, the genetic pool should be rid of your toxins. There are enough exemplars of viable DNA in the world, we can spare a few million non workers. There were a great number of semi-skilled workers, but I was considering the craftsmen who labored to make the projects more distinctive than soviet era construction. We have nothing truly welcoming or distinctive now. Gheery makes much ballyhoed examples of pretty dang ugly buildings. More in the vein of traffic wreck architecture. Commercial interiors are being pushed, so that it all could just have been Ikea and not hand made. The populace is now looking for slow food, locavore, whole foods, gluten free, free range, up cycled, hemp cloth, heirloom, craft brew, small scale. Even the industrial food producers are on that band wagon. clay On Jan 26, 2014, at 3:06 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: A few problems here: Back in the 30s (WPA) public works projects used large numbers of semi-skilled men to do brute-force labor. Now we use just a few skilled heavy equipment operators (and lots of supervisors) to do that same job. Besides, there are few native-born Americans who would be willing to do that back-breaking work under primitive living conditions like the WPA. They believe they DESERVE better. Scott -Original Message- From: clay Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 6:40 PM ... Building dams, highways, lodges in national parks, improving the nation in some manner will give them a stake in the success of America. They have ownership interests and take offense at their efforts coming to nothing. Most of the WPA folks are long dead, but when they talked of their work, there was pride and a sense of belonging when they visited a location they had toiled day at night to improve. If they did not go off to WWII, they worked at shipyards or other needed industries. Today there is nothing in which to take pride, since we no longer make anything. .. clay ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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On 27/01/2014 2:04 PM, clay wrote: That is part of the issue we face. You deserve to bust your butt to remain alive. If you are not willing to put forth the effort, the genetic pool should be rid of your toxins. There are enough exemplars of viable DNA in the world, we can spare a few million non workers. People need to learn to live within their means. It used to be that a post man lived on whatever a post man earned and accepted that a doctor would earn more and live better. A post man drove a Chevy and the doctor drove a Buick etc. Now, we have all be convinced by the advertising constantly imposed upon us that we can all drive Lexus. We all want and expect to have bigger and better things than our parents had. Cars don't come with window cranks anymore. They all have power windows etc. My father used to buy basic pickup trucks - usually a 6 cylinder, standard transmission and no power steering or radio. Try and buy one like that today. Those trucks served him well. He never expected to have leather seats and chrome wheels. He couldn't have cared less. Today, we have all been brainwashed to believe we can have all of that and more. There is no doubt that some folks are more able, talented, intelligent etc. I think there was a time when we expected those folks to rise to the top and we were just happy not to be at the bottom. We were proud to be reasonably good at our jobs, to pay our bills and raise a good family. None of that seems important to people now. They just want the latest fad thing they saw advertised. It is nice that we have a great selection of items to spend our money on but most of it is not truly needed. The populace is now looking for slow food, locavore, whole foods, gluten free, free range, up cycled, hemp cloth, heirloom, craft brew, small scale. Even the industrial food producers are on that band wagon. clay I am not so sure about that statement. I think there are some elitist types out there who are looking for that sort of thing but the mass of people is not. If they were, then all of the fast food places would be out of business in no time. You can hardly give away things that our parents and grand parents cherished. Most of the younger folks today have little or no interest in the fine things collected by their grand parents. They have been trained to think that stuff is disposable. You cannot get much of anything repaired anymore. Things like televisions and cell phones are just replaced if something goes bad and often even before that because there is a new model with more gimics. You cannot sell used stuff llke that either. It has no value to most people. You can hardly give things away. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Fascinating. I never gave it any thought. On Monday, January 27, 2014, clay redgh...@comcast.net wrote: beyond the pale The phrase beyond the pale dates back to the 14th century, when the part of Ireland that was under English rule was delineated by a boundary made of such stakes or fences, and known as the English Pale. To travel outside of that boundary, beyond the pale, was to leave behind all the rules and institutions of English society, which the English modestly considered synonymous with civilization itself. On Jan 26, 2014, at 5:58 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Over the top; inexcusable; beyond the bounds of civilized discourse. On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 8:34 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.comjavascript:; wrote: Dieselhead wrote: After WWII, the japanese were asked about plans to invade the US. They said they had no plans to invade because of the armed population. Guns are not much fear today. Plenty of guns among us, but little if any cohesive ability to rally troops to any cause due to myriad interweb/tv/radio leads. Who do we shoot? Who are the bad guys? So we sit loaded and ready but insecure which is the bad guy we are readying to shoot. Add in zero interpersonal communications at church/tavern/club - its all at FB/TW/... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
+1 BiL was employed at a local mega yacht builder until the tax the rich thing hit. Hiring stopped at the company and work transitioned to retrofits until there was just a skeleton crew left. His degree in the shipwrights program came in handy enough that he was able to find employment in a cabinet shop for a few years. Then the massive deflation in the housing market took out the need for quality cabinetry. He has been struggling for work, going from shop to shop for the past four years. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 8:35 AM, Larry T wrote: Good point Rich - Back in the 90s the liberals managed to pass a Tax the rich' bill - following that, many boatyards closed and laid off workers - may extreme craftsmen who had to find other work. Often that talent is lost forever. The rich buy new boats - like G-650s - and all the people in the income stream benefit from them buying stuff. I bought a used Catalina 27 back in the late 90s and the only one who benefited was the salesman... it's just not the same, but the rich must buy the new stuff so the used stuff will be around. It's the same will all kinds of new things we take for granted. Remember when 40 TVs came out and sold for $3000-$5000? Only the rich would buy them but by doing so they drove the price down to the point us normal people can afford them. Trickle Down really works but the liberals try to criticize it because it doesn't fit their agenda. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:45 PM, Rich Thomas wrote: I had dinner with my cousin last night. Her husband works for Gulfstream in Savannah. They build G-650s there, which start at $65mil. If one were to order one today it would take at least 3 years to get it. He says there are people who pull out their checkbook to try to buy out someone further up the queue. These are likely rich folks or corporations. So Gulfstream have 5 or 6 factories around the country, all working flat out to build various aircraft. That $65mil and whatever the others cost employs thousands of people, supports various other industries, keeps the economies of their home communities going, and must add at least that value to their buyers in some ways. Oh, and to run one costs a fair amount of the purchase price each year, requires many pilots, hangars, fuel, maintenance etc etc which also keeps the economy going. And apparently did quite well even over the past few years. So, seems to me like rich folks and corporations have positive effects as well, whatever vilification the various politicos want to heap on them. Hell, I'd like to buy a G-650 and trod down all y'all. --R (sent from my miniPad) On Jan 26, 2014, at 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey ritche...@nc.rr.com wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
that's because the democrats see negotiation as doing things their way. The republicans are not falling for it at this time - but we don't know what they're doing behind the scenes. In the past, the Republicans have taken the democrat suggestions and modified it a little and pushed that. What morons. They are the opposition party - they need to oppose things that take us closer to socialism. The only thing that can be said for the republicans is not one of them voted for obamacare... It all belongs to the dems. Too bad no one bothered to read the bill... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:08 PM, Andrew Strasfogel wrote: Especially this Congress, which manages to be both ideologically extreme and totally incapable of passing any useful legislattion. On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:55 AM, G Mann g2ma...@gmail.com wrote: One of my favorite quotes is of Mark Twain: The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session or was it Will Rogers? Who ever said it, nailed the problem dead on... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: re: Very little free... Agree completely. I should have mentioned all the freedoms we lose every time congress or local govt passes a law.I also think the so-called Unintended Consequences are well planned consequences... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:22 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth
Not sure how the maths for that work. WA state is saying they have gotten unemployment to 6.7%. Oddly we are at only 31% of the jobs lost since the recession of 2008. There are still 1.3 million jobs missing. If the count included those who no longer actively look for work, the state has over 10% unemployment. No figures for FTE jobs, but mention was made that the increases had been in low paying, part time positions, not that many jobs offering benefits or a future. Local top earners (the 5%) are raking in $495K.Median home price is now up to $435k in the county for a house. We purchase more Tesla's per capita, more than Kalifornia. We also have a really well underfunded homeless population, to the point we have official homeless towns. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Curt Raymond wrote: You misunderstand me, I'm suggesting we pay the slaves a higher wage which will make prices increase, then people learn to do with less junk. This requires a huge cultural shift though. I find it interesting that every time the topic of raising the minimum wage comes up the nay-sayers always tout the rise as the end of the world. Companies will go out of business, your kids will never get a summer job etc. None of that ever seems to come through though. -Curt Date: Sun, 26 Jan 2014 17:55:15 -0500 From: Andrew Strasfogel astrasfo...@gmail.com To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth Message-ID: CAC35L=vY8y+cYbJBTBAh90KVLan616dVu=fhfho5xaewtzd...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 So you are happy to fund welfare benefits for people who have a full time job, rather than require these corporations to pay a living wage? On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 11:53 AM, Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote: Let prices rise, let people not have so much stuff. Our society is completely focused on buying low priced crap and using consumerism to fill the void left by lack of interpersonal communication. People would rather shop than build anything, be that things or connections with other people... -Curt Buying as little as possible, fixing things as often as practical and sometimes even beyond. ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his RD into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Most of the idiots with lots of money horde it by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do good things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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So a funny anecdote about rich idiots. Last year Bill corralled a bunch of his rich buds and had them down here at Kiawah for a coupla days to talk about this philanthropy giveawayyourmoney thing. We have a little airport here, it was wall-to-wall with jets. This old black guy who lives up the road runs a halfass limo company, has a coupla cars. He got tapped to give these guys rides to and from the airport, somehow. So he picks up Warren Buffet to take him to the airport, maybe a 20min drive. They get there, WB thanks him, and instead of flipping him a 20 for the ride as a tip, he gives him a boomerang. A f'n boomerang. I guess he got it at the conference or something and had no use for it so he gave it to the driver as a tip. The old guy was cussing WB something fierce and telling that story all over the island, what a cheapass he was. Trickle down boomerangs! --R On 1/27/14 5:06 PM, clay wrote: BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his RD into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Most of the idiots with lots of money horde it by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do good things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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I was hoping that the craft movement would serve as the example of where we need to be headed. I am very well aware of the inflated expectations the populace has and the willingness to accept the lowest common denominator if the price is right. If you make garbage though, you will have no pride in the work you do or the products you own. AS for cars, it is all bowing down to our computer overlords. If you have wind up windows, no radio, and bare minimum, you are not able to be tracked or controlled. You have a modicum of freedom from those who spy upon us and the computers will have to hunt you down physically clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 12:23 PM, Randy Bennell wrote: On 27/01/2014 2:04 PM, clay wrote: That is part of the issue we face. You deserve to bust your butt to remain alive. If you are not willing to put forth the effort, the genetic pool should be rid of your toxins. There are enough exemplars of viable DNA in the world, we can spare a few million non workers. People need to learn to live within their means. It used to be that a post man lived on whatever a post man earned and accepted that a doctor would earn more and live better. A post man drove a Chevy and the doctor drove a Buick etc. Now, we have all be convinced by the advertising constantly imposed upon us that we can all drive Lexus. We all want and expect to have bigger and better things than our parents had. Cars don't come with window cranks anymore. They all have power windows etc. My father used to buy basic pickup trucks - usually a 6 cylinder, standard transmission and no power steering or radio. Try and buy one like that today. Those trucks served him well. He never expected to have leather seats and chrome wheels. He couldn't have cared less. Today, we have all been brainwashed to believe we can have all of that and more. There is no doubt that some folks are more able, talented, intelligent etc. I think there was a time when we expected those folks to rise to the top and we were just happy not to be at the bottom. We were proud to be reasonably good at our jobs, to pay our bills and raise a good family. None of that seems important to people now. They just want the latest fad thing they saw advertised. It is nice that we have a great selection of items to spend our money on but most of it is not truly needed. The populace is now looking for slow food, locavore, whole foods, gluten free, free range, up cycled, hemp cloth, heirloom, craft brew, small scale. Even the industrial food producers are on that band wagon. clay I am not so sure about that statement. I think there are some elitist types out there who are looking for that sort of thing but the mass of people is not. If they were, then all of the fast food places would be out of business in no time. You can hardly give away things that our parents and grand parents cherished. Most of the younger folks today have little or no interest in the fine things collected by their grand parents. They have been trained to think that stuff is disposable. You cannot get much of anything repaired anymore. Things like televisions and cell phones are just replaced if something goes bad and often even before that because there is a new model with more gimics. You cannot sell used stuff llke that either. It has no value to most people. You can hardly give things away. Randy ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Grant wrote: The rub comes when that giving is done by others, with the treasure or goods taken from others by force, deception, or theft... and when that giving' is done for the express purpose of gaining power... You are totally correct in saying this. Ponder giving/receiving a bit more - it seems that there is a big psychology aspect that is robbed from the plebe-citizen as gov't demands giving via taxes rather than the rush of being appreciated for whatever meager amount you give to a person that needs something that you can provide. Much of the giving effort is not related to money which is all that taxing can accomplish. The phone pleas for funds to support sick persons in hospitals is another similar robbery, whereas if I go to hospital and seek a person despondent in their health condition, I might provide something that an agency and its thief administrators cannot provide with their cellophane gift basket, etc. There is a bunch to be said about giving/receiving. Even JFK referred to giving/receiving in - ask not what your country can do for you, ask what you can do for your country. That provides a true plebe-citizen when we give rather than demand more giving from the gov't. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Yeah, Va has a system that is better than the Feds - in Va the legislature is in session for a few weeks each year. They sometimes call special sessions but they're rare. But the Fed is in session all the time except for the many vacations and days off. I believe it was Mark Twain... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 11:55 AM, G Mann wrote: One of my favorite quotes is of Mark Twain: The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session or was it Will Rogers? Who ever said it, nailed the problem dead on... On Mon, Jan 27, 2014 at 9:39 AM, Larry T l02tur...@comcast.net wrote: re: Very little free... Agree completely. I should have mentioned all the freedoms we lose every time congress or local govt passes a law.I also think the so-called Unintended Consequences are well planned consequences... Sincerely, Larry On 1/27/2014 12:22 AM, Craig wrote: On Sun, 26 Jan 2014 19:40:54 -0600 Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Larry wrote: I'll never be convinced that Socialism is better than Freedom (which we are losing every day). I agree, but... We must realize we have zero lab experience with anything other than what we know as free markets. Au contraire, mes ami. There is a lot of practical experience with socialism and its variants. Things work just fine until you run out of other people's money (and people who want to be controlled). There is very little free in what we see today. I can't argue that. Craig ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Andrew wrote: Especially this Congress, which manages to be both ideologically extreme and totally incapable of passing any useful legislattion. Andrew's job is... Speech writer for the Executive branch in DC - correct? What type of dangerous legislation would you expect these days from Congress? It seems that their incapacity might be a good thing, based on Grant's quote from Will Rogers - The most dangerous place in America is Congress in session Really - what type of legislation do we need? I posit we need legislation to remove legislation, i.e. remove 5 laws for every new law contemplated. That would be a real challenge. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people
Gates is over-the-hill. He's made his pile and is just playing with it The one to watch is Elon Musk. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elon_Musk Gerry On 1/27/14 5:06 PM, clay wrote: BG has an agenda he is promoting. Bill is not in it for altruistic purposes. If you look at what his foundation supports, there is a rather dystopian pogrom in place. Bill has a penchant to put his cash into getting more money coming his way. support education that sells more M$ licenses and hardware. Healthcare issues that will enrich his research into malaria drugs and other biotech. He has crowd sourced his RD into what next will enrich him. clay On Jan 27, 2014, at 10:14 AM, Rich Thomas wrote: Most of the idiots with lots of money horde it by investing it in companies (stocks and bonds and such) and buy stuff, but there is a limit to how much stuff you can buy so the rest has to go somewhere that will (they hope) help them make more money (just like your 401K plan!). The investments keep things going and raise the tide, mostly. Interesting you mention Bill Gates. He has put a lot of his fortune into his philanthropic foundation (and I think plans for all of it to go there when he dies). He also promotes other rich folks doing something similar, either to his foundation or to their own to do good things. The interesting aspect of that to me is that a lot of people (including many of the rich fools) rant about raising taxes on the rich, but then instead of giving their fortunes to the gummint to work wonders decide they can do better than the gummint. And those who think their taxes should be higher think it is great they are putting their money into foundations and bypassing the gummint. Something of a disconnect, no? --R On 1/27/14 12:47 PM, Curt Raymond wrote: I don't think trickle down works the way the Reagan economists espouse. I do believe that a rising tide lifts all boats but what good does that money do when some idiot just hordes it? After all you get to a point eventually where you can't spend it all and where some fool is just getting rich for the sake of getting rich. Bill Gates is doing great work, there are others as well but many more just aren't. They'll pass off a big fortune to an idiot kid who will blow it... ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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clay wrote: If we should slow down how productive industry is, we might be able to find more productive employment opportunities. Ahh... For the days of low productivity and many persons doing what one person and machines do today. Totally agree. Decreased productivity means more jobs. Forget about minimum wage - if we open our hearts and give rather than believe the lie that *taking is admirable* we might recover the country that made us great. Think about the low productivity in building 10 airplanes each day during the war 70 years ago. Nobody complained about wage - they/we did our job and were happy to put a hand to the task. Today we would be hard pressed to put a hand to a war machine like in 1940+ but I would guess if we were inventive we might find efforts for more of us to work rather than administer, and give rather take. Real work was accomplished when productivity was much less. Nice catch Clay!! mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Getting the message through to the people that economics is not a zero sum game is a huge difficulty. Just because some guy has billions doesn't mean I or anyone else have less. This kind of thinking is lost on many people in the USA who work, catch a snipit of news vote based on very little info - other than feelings. Add in the media's lack of ethics and professionalism while they push their own agenda and we have millions without a clue of what is happening. They're the so-called Sheeple. But obamas wild spending/giving _is_ certainly making us, our chldren and our grandchildren, etc. poorer.while the debt is said to be $17 Trillion that doesn't include all the debt. Add in social security and other social programs and the number triples or more. even with the USA's massive GDP, it will take a long time to repay that debt - but that will only haoppen with reducing spending - something the government is unwilling to do most of the time.Plus, the way the govt creates their budgets is designed to be inaccurate -- they take last years budget and add to it. I'd like to see clean sheet budgets where they start with nothing and justify every penny with a line item that is detailed so it can be audited. But that would mean a change in the way the govt operates which we are unlikely to see... As far as the real estate crisis - it was created by Barney Frank, Chris Dodd and other democrats as they forced lenders to make more and more money available with less and less due diligence. At one point the lenders were not allowed to confirm income and loaned as much as 125% of the homes cost so the buyers not only had nothing invested, they walked away with cash. Some of these people had no way to pay for the homes and it eventually caught up with them. The Builders didn't mind - they kept selling homes. The lenders had no choice but they were making money for a while so they complained little. eventually the amount of money loaned for buying homes so far exceeded the value, the house of cards came crashing down. Yeah, I'm sure there were bankers who made lots of money but the big offenders were congressmen who forced lenders to do dumb things. Speaking of congressmen - someone can serve one term and walk away with $15,000/month retirement. That is outrageous IMO - our servicemen women put their lives on the line and end up with $0 unless they serve 20 years!! Plus, they are promised various benefits when being courted to sign up but when they are ready for retirement they find congress has eliminated many of the things promised. Being in the military is a thankless job. Little pay, way too much required to be bought out of pocket and the possibility of being maimed or killed for an ungrateful government. Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 6:27 PM, Scott Ritchey wrote: Here's a thought: Has the billionaire's wealth impoverished us (normal folks) in any way? It's a mixed bag. Certainly the banking clowns that walked away with the real estate bubble money plus the bailout money made us all poorer. But other billionaires like Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, Sam Walton, and MANY others have made most of us richer, or at least enriched our lives. It doesn't have to be a zero-sum game. The invisible hand does as good a job sorting this out as much as the government (picking winners and losers) does a bad job. Besides, look at how these very rich use their wealth. Certainly some are frivolous but there are also the Carnegies, Dukes, etc. who feel a high calling to use their enormous wealth for the common good. Sure, there are a few very rich people in the world, but why is that a problem? -Original Message- From: Mercedes [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com] On Behalf Of Mountain Man Sent: Saturday, January 25, 2014 10:37 PM To: Mercedes Discussion List Subject: Re: [MBZ] 85 people own half the worlds wealth and 90% of the people H F wrote: I personally don't think concentration of wealth to that degree is. ... Perhaps one of the differences is that we see the person that is a trillionaire whereas years ago we never knew who was the trillionaire in the neighborhood. Wealth is more conspicuous today, that's all. We need to quit bitchn' and count our blessings. We are wealthy. Not trillionaire wealthy, but wealthy... mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Well, that works for me - I certainly will never amass even a small fortune. Taking care of our bi-polar son has taken care of that! :-) Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 8:52 PM, Mountain Man wrote: so that we do not amass a fortune ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
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Very well Said!! Sincerely, Larry On 1/26/2014 9:05 PM, G Mann wrote: All good efforts in finding quotations from Bible, my thanks and respect for those who went the extra mile. Regards the quote above of Tis more blessed to give than receive . It is indeed, when that giving is done with good intent and given freely from product of your own labors. The rub comes when that giving is done by others, with the treasure or goods taken from others by force, deception, or theft... and when that giving' is done for the express purpose of gaining power over the less fortunate, or electing yourself to office, or some other material gain which you benefit from the original theft. In my Theology classes.. that would have a compound sin... But, it would buy you an E ticket ride to hell.. ;)) [or prison] Grant... On Sun, Jan 26, 2014 at 6:52 PM, Mountain Man maontin@gmail.com wrote: Craig wrote: Another appropriate text is Ephesians 4:28: Let the thief no longer steal, but rather let him labor, doing honest work with his own hands, so that he may have something to share with anyone in need. More follow up: I have shewed you all things, how that so labouring ye ought to support the weak, and to remember the words of the Lord Jesus, how he said, It is more blessed to give than to receive. Neither of these leaves room for greed or amassing of wealth, perhaps? And perhaps this is what is critical against the accumulation of wealth - giving rather than receiving. Perhaps we should rather give as we receive so that we do not amass a fortune that needs to be dispersed. i.e. WarrenB gives more than he receives and starts a revolution rather than establishing socialism. mao ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com ___ http://www.okiebenz.com To search list archives http://www.okiebenz.com/archive/ To Unsubscribe or change delivery options go to: http://mail.okiebenz.com/mailman/listinfo/mercedes_okiebenz.com
