subject:"Re\: \[MBZ\] The American dream in an automobile"


On 15/05/2012 7:14 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Randy Bennell wrote:

 I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an 
anti-Prius.
I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with 
a truck trunk.
It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in 
the sense of leather seats and power this and that. I have power 
pedals. I don't have a sunroof - which is fine as I really don't care 
for sunroofs.


And the next time it spits out its spark plug threads, you can drop a 
Cummins 4BT and a six speed manual transmission in it.


Mitch.



Well, touch wood etc but so far so good on that front. My plugs are 
still firmly attached. Unfortunately, the newer Fords had the opposite 
problem. Parts of the plug would break off and remain in the engine. 
Expensive to fix in either case.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


On 15/05/2012 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:

Randy Bennell wrote:
However, I also am generally hauling some other stuff when we go back 
and forth like piles of lumber, plywood etc as we are renovating and 
likely will be for the rest of my useful days. The place is long in 
the tooth and needs pretty much everything repaired or replaced.



If your truck has an 8' box, it's a definite advantage when hauling 
construction stuff. My S210 is limited to 6 1/2' long x 3 1/2' wide by 
2 1/2' high. You can put a few pieces of shinny 10' stuff in it, like 
pipe, conduit, or trim, but even my Achieva can do that. (yes, people 
do stop and stare when they see you sticking half a dozen 10' lengths 
of 2 conduit in the trunk of an Achieva)


I put about 800lb of ceramic tile in the back of trhe S210 a couple of 
weeks ago and was surprised at how unstable it got. It pumped up fine 
when I started the engine, but wallowed like a Buick with bad shocks 
on the drive home. Found out the tires were a bit low when I got home, 
hopefully that was the problem.


What's the 20' boat weigh? I wouldn't hesitate to launch it with my 
wagon (4Matic), but might not want to tow it long range, although the 
chassis is rated for something like 2200kg with brakes.


I think a good MBZ wagon could do most of what you need, but you'd 
have to rent a trailer to haul 4x8 sheets of anything.


Mitch.

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Truck has the short box as with all Supercrew models - 5 1/2 foot if I 
recall. There is a full blown crew cab with an 8 foot box but I would 
not want to drive that around in the City. Never find any place to park it.


I do OK as the box is still wide enough between the fenders for 4 foot 
goods and is close to the 8 foot mark to the end of the tailgate with it 
down. I also have a doodad that goes into the receiver hitch and extends 
out past the tailgate to provide support for long items. I have hauled 
things that were 22 feet long using it - awning off of travel trailer 
and a couple of sailboat masts.


Low tires will make for a stability issue so that was most likely your 
problem. I find, if anything, that my truck rides much better with a 
load. Cannot say I recall any handling issues no matter what was in the box.


The 20 foot aluminum Lund weighs about 2000# - probably plus fuel. Also, 
don't know what the trailer weighs but it is big solid tandem axle unit 
so not light. Biggest issue for a smaller vehicle would be retrieval - 
pulling it up the launch ramp. Apart from that, it ought not to be a 
real issue to haul it the 1/2 mile to the cottage even though there are 
hills in between. Fairly good wide, oiled road.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


On 14/05/2012 9:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote:

I think it sounds like you own the right vehicle.  So what if it doesn't
get 40MPG.  The overhead (insurance, registration/taxes, interest,
depreciation, maintenance) of owning a second economical car will more
than eat up any fuel savings unless you drive a LOT of miles.

Allan


Very true which is why I have not done it. If I had more parking spots I 
might consider it. If I had another car for use in town, I would put 
fewer short mile trips on the truck and potentially make it last longer 
so it would even out the economics of it all. I would not buy a new 
small car - just something inexpensive and smaller than a truck.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

You'll be surprised what you can do with a roof rack. I've hauled 4x8 plywood, 
Sheetrock, you name it, on top of my 240D. The sunroof comes in handy as well 
as I let long boards stick out through it.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2012, at 12:16 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

On 15/05/2012 7:38 AM, Mitch Haley wrote:
Randy Bennell wrote:
However, I also am generally hauling some other stuff when we go back and forth 
like piles of lumber, plywood etc as we are renovating and likely will be for 
the rest of my useful days. The place is long in the tooth and needs pretty 
much everything repaired or replaced.


If your truck has an 8' box, it's a definite advantage when hauling 
construction stuff. My S210 is limited to 6 1/2' long x 3 1/2' wide by 2 1/2' 
high. You can put a few pieces of shinny 10' stuff in it, like pipe, conduit, 
or trim, but even my Achieva can do that. (yes, people do stop and stare when 
they see you sticking half a dozen 10' lengths of 2 conduit in the trunk of an 
Achieva)

I put about 800lb of ceramic tile in the back of trhe S210 a couple of weeks 
ago and was surprised at how unstable it got. It pumped up fine when I started 
the engine, but wallowed like a Buick with bad shocks on the drive home. Found 
out the tires were a bit low when I got home, hopefully that was the problem.

What's the 20' boat weigh? I wouldn't hesitate to launch it with my wagon 
(4Matic), but might not want to tow it long range, although the chassis is 
rated for something like 2200kg with brakes.

I think a good MBZ wagon could do most of what you need, but you'd have to rent 
a trailer to haul 4x8 sheets of anything.

Mitch.

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Truck has the short box as with all Supercrew models - 5 1/2 foot if I recall. 
There is a full blown crew cab with an 8 foot box but I would not want to drive 
that around in the City. Never find any place to park it.

I do OK as the box is still wide enough between the fenders for 4 foot goods 
and is close to the 8 foot mark to the end of the tailgate with it down. I also 
have a doodad that goes into the receiver hitch and extends out past the 
tailgate to provide support for long items. I have hauled things that were 22 
feet long using it - awning off of travel trailer and a couple of sailboat 
masts.

Low tires will make for a stability issue so that was most likely your problem. 
I find, if anything, that my truck rides much better with a load. Cannot say I 
recall any handling issues no matter what was in the box.

The 20 foot aluminum Lund weighs about 2000# - probably plus fuel. Also, don't 
know what the trailer weighs but it is big solid tandem axle unit so not light. 
Biggest issue for a smaller vehicle would be retrieval - pulling it up the 
launch ramp. Apart from that, it ought not to be a real issue to haul it the 
1/2 mile to the cottage even though there are hills in between. Fairly good 
wide, oiled road.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


On 16/05/2012 11:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

You'll be surprised what you can do with a roof rack. I've hauled 4x8 plywood, 
Sheetrock, you name it, on top of my 240D. The sunroof comes in handy as well 
as I let long boards stick out through it.

Sent from my iPhone




Well, yes but ... maybe a couple of sheets at a time and from the lumber 
yard home. The cottage is 175 miles away and I don't know that I would 
want a stack of plywood on the roof at highway speeds.


Didn't we have a thread about flying cars on here yesterday??


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and ratchet 
straps! I had a BMW hood strapped to my roof rack that I transported from 
Washington DC to Boston! It can be done but obviously not ideal. 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

On 16/05/2012 11:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
You'll be surprised what you can do with a roof rack. I've hauled 4x8 plywood, 
Sheetrock, you name it, on top of my 240D. The sunroof comes in handy as well 
as I let long boards stick out through it.

Sent from my iPhone



Well, yes but ... maybe a couple of sheets at a time and from the lumber yard 
home. The cottage is 175 miles away and I don't know that I would want a stack 
of plywood on the roof at highway speeds.

Didn't we have a thread about flying cars on here yesterday??


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Curt Raymond

What kind of mileage do you get with the F150?
I've been kind of disappointed with my Ranger, in comparison an '03 F150 4wd is 
rated for 15mpg, my '03 Ranger is rated for 16mpg.
In practice on the highway I can get it up to 20mpg if I really take it easy.

I mention all this to say that getting a smaller truck isn't a great answer 
either.

Mitch's wagon beats all of them and with 4matic you don't have to worry about 
the boat ramp particularly but it requires premium fuel...

-Curt

Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 11:19:26 -0500
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On 14/05/2012 9:06 PM, Allan Streib wrote:
 I think it sounds like you own the right vehicle.  So what if it doesn't
 get 40MPG.  The overhead (insurance, registration/taxes, interest,
 depreciation, maintenance) of owning a second economical car will more
 than eat up any fuel savings unless you drive a LOT of miles.

 Allan


Very true which is why I have not done it. If I had more parking spots I 
might consider it. If I had another car for use in town, I would put 
fewer short mile trips on the truck and potentially make it last longer 
so it would even out the economics of it all. I would not buy a new 
small car - just something inexpensive and smaller than a truck.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Mitch Haley


Curt Raymond wrote:


Mitch's wagon beats all of them and with 4matic you don't have to worry about 
the boat ramp particularly but it requires premium fuel...


Around here, the premium is 10 cents more than the 89 octane, or 20 cents more 
than the 87 octane. When the Prices were 1.80-1.90-2.00 it was a noticeable 
difference, but when it's 3.90-4.00-4.10, the difference from top to bottom is 
only about 5%.


The 210 doesn't like me mixing fuel. I like to buy about 2/3 to 3/4 of what I 
need in premium, then switch the pump to regular to get the rest of my premium 
out of the hose and get it closer to the 91 octane the car needs. When I do that 
with the wagon, I can hear a pump running under the car while I pump the 
premium, and then when I start pumping again after switching the pump to 
regular, the car somehow prevents the gas station's nozzle from shutting off 
before fuel comes out under the car, and then when I pull the nozzle out the 
filler pipe projectile vomits in my face while I hurry to slap the cap on it.
It also does the spray under the car thing if I don't run the pump at top speed. 
The manual says 'do not top the tank up', but it doesn't say 'don't pump slowly' 
or 'don't stop pumping before it's full'.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Alex Chamberlain

On May 16, 2012 11:19 AM, Mitch Haley m...@voyager.net wrote:
 The manual says 'do not top the tank
 up', but it doesn't say 'don't pump
 slowly' or 'don't stop pumping
before it's full'.



You are making me reconsider my plan to buy a facelifted 210 E430 4Matic,
considering that we don't have self-serve gas in Oregon.

Alex
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

Now come on - have you not seen the photo on the net of the car - a 
Jetta maybe - with a whole lift of plywood on the roof and the back half 
collapsed?


Probably photo shopped but who knows??

Randy

On 16/05/2012 12:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and ratchet 
straps! I had a BMW hood strapped to my roof rack that I transported from 
Washington DC to Boston! It can be done but obviously not ideal.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca  wrote:

On 16/05/2012 11:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
You'll be surprised what you can do with a roof rack. I've hauled 4x8 plywood, 
Sheetrock, you name it, on top of my 240D. The sunroof comes in handy as well 
as I let long boards stick out through it.

Sent from my iPhone



Well, yes but ... maybe a couple of sheets at a time and from the lumber yard 
home. The cottage is 175 miles away and I don't know that I would want a stack 
of plywood on the roof at highway speeds.

Didn't we have a thread about flying cars on here yesterday??


Randy





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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

OR, maybe you need an old VOLVO. Are they not the ones who advertised 
for years that their cars had solid roof structure? I seem to recall an 
ad with a Volvo with about 10 more Volvos piled on top of it.


Randy


On 16/05/2012 12:05 PM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:

Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and ratchet 
straps! I had a BMW hood strapped to my roof rack that I transported from 
Washington DC to Boston! It can be done but obviously not ideal.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 16, 2012, at 12:47 PM, Randy Bennellrbenn...@bennell.ca  wrote:

On 16/05/2012 11:40 AM, Dimitri Seretakis wrote:
You'll be surprised what you can do with a roof rack. I've hauled 4x8 plywood, 
Sheetrock, you name it, on top of my 240D. The sunroof comes in handy as well 
as I let long boards stick out through it.

Sent from my iPhone



Well, yes but ... maybe a couple of sheets at a time and from the lumber yard 
home. The cottage is 175 miles away and I don't know that I would want a stack 
of plywood on the roof at highway speeds.

Didn't we have a thread about flying cars on here yesterday??


Randy





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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Frederick Moir

I'll break out my pattie press

 
Fred Moir
Lynn MA
Diesel preferred.



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After observing the human condition for 65 years, especially recently, I
think feudal subsistence farming is more probable for most folks.  Soylent
Green, anyone?


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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


On 16/05/2012 12:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

What kind of mileage do you get with the F150?
I've been kind of disappointed with my Ranger, in comparison an '03 F150 4wd is 
rated for 15mpg, my '03 Ranger is rated for 16mpg.
In practice on the highway I can get it up to 20mpg if I really take it easy.

I mention all this to say that getting a smaller truck isn't a great answer 
either.

Mitch's wagon beats all of them and with 4matic you don't have to worry about 
the boat ramp particularly but it requires premium fuel...

-Curt




On average over the past 5.5 years and 63,000 miles, 16.43 but that is 
Imperial gallons so deduct about 20% for US gallons.


On the highway in the summer as high as 22+ and in the winter around 
town as low as about 10 mpg - Imperial again.


So not wonderful but not horrible for a beast of that size.  5.4 engine 
which is about 330 cubic inches and 4 wheel drive etc. It weighs lots 
and has big tires so not the easiest rolling thing on the road. Lots of 
frontal area for poor aerodynamics too I expect.
The 02 looks fairly smooth but there are big gaps around the grill, 
headlights etc. I have wondered about improving the air dam under the 
bumper but have not done it yet.


Has anyone looked at the new Ford Focus that they advertise as having 
louvers in the grill that open and close as required?


Randy



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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Craig

On Wed, 16 May 2012 13:45:03 -0500 Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
wrote:

 On average over the past 5.5 years and 63,000 miles, 16.43 but that is 
 Imperial gallons so deduct about 20% for US gallons.

16.73%, if you want to be picky.


Craig

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Curt Raymond

One of my co-workers has one, he replaced a rusted out old Camry with it. He 
says it averages around 40-45mpg on his mostly highway commute (where my 190D 
does around 37mpg, he lives close by me) and has plenty of power.

I drove a Fiesta not long ago and enjoyed it though I haven't yet had a new 
model Focus.

-Curt

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On 16/05/2012 12:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 What kind of mileage do you get with the F150?
 I've been kind of disappointed with my Ranger, in comparison an '03 F150 4wd 
 is rated for 15mpg, my '03 Ranger is rated for 16mpg.
 In practice on the highway I can get it up to 20mpg if I really take it easy.

 I mention all this to say that getting a smaller truck isn't a great answer 
 either.

 Mitch's wagon beats all of them and with 4matic you don't have to worry about 
 the boat ramp particularly but it requires premium fuel...

 -Curt



On average over the past 5.5 years and 63,000 miles, 16.43 but that is 
Imperial gallons so deduct about 20% for US gallons.

On the highway in the summer as high as 22+ and in the winter around 
town as low as about 10 mpg - Imperial again.

So not wonderful but not horrible for a beast of that size.  5.4 engine 
which is about 330 cubic inches and 4 wheel drive etc. It weighs lots 
and has big tires so not the easiest rolling thing on the road. Lots of 
frontal area for poor aerodynamics too I expect.
The 02 looks fairly smooth but there are big gaps around the grill, 
headlights etc. I have wondered about improving the air dam under the 
bumper but have not done it yet.

Has anyone looked at the new Ford Focus that they advertise as having 
louvers in the grill that open and close as required?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dan Penoff

My 2004 Focus wagon averages 24 MPG, even with the ICE COLD AC running in a 
mixed highway/city cycle.

If i get out on the interstate and run flat out, I have seen mileage 
approaching 28-29 mpg.

Dan 

Curt Raymond curtlud...@yahoo.com wrote:

One of my co-workers has one, he replaced a rusted out old Camry with it. He 
says it averages around 40-45mpg on his mostly highway commute (where my 190D 
does around 37mpg, he lives close by me) and has plenty of power.

I drove a Fiesta not long ago and enjoyed it though I haven't yet had a new 
model Focus.

-Curt

Date: Wed, 16 May 2012 13:45:03 -0500
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On 16/05/2012 12:25 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
 What kind of mileage do you get with the F150?
 I've been kind of disappointed with my Ranger, in comparison an '03 F150 4wd 
 is rated for 15mpg, my '03 Ranger is rated for 16mpg.
 In practice on the highway I can get it up to 20mpg if I really take it easy.

 I mention all this to say that getting a smaller truck isn't a great answer 
 either.

 Mitch's wagon beats all of them and with 4matic you don't have to worry 
 about the boat ramp particularly but it requires premium fuel...

 -Curt



On average over the past 5.5 years and 63,000 miles, 16.43 but that is 
Imperial gallons so deduct about 20% for US gallons.

On the highway in the summer as high as 22+ and in the winter around 
town as low as about 10 mpg - Imperial again.

So not wonderful but not horrible for a beast of that size.  5.4 engine 
which is about 330 cubic inches and 4 wheel drive etc. It weighs lots 
and has big tires so not the easiest rolling thing on the road. Lots of 
frontal area for poor aerodynamics too I expect.
The 02 looks fairly smooth but there are big gaps around the grill, 
headlights etc. I have wondered about improving the air dam under the 
bumper but have not done it yet.

Has anyone looked at the new Ford Focus that they advertise as having 
louvers in the grill that open and close as required?

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Jim Cathey

Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and 
ratchet straps!


I lashed a sofa table to the roof of my SL, just threw down a blanket
and lashed it 'round the top (windows down) with twine.  Same car
also brought home a dishwasher in the trunk, lashed in so it wouldn't
topple out.  Nothing like having a bit of a beater SL around...

Indy just diagnosed said car as having 60# compression on the
dead hole.  Funny, I'd measured it at 140#.

Guess I'm looking for a local donor 380 engine.  Meanwhile, I guess
I drive it...

-- Jim



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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread clay monroe

Check Seattle CL for engines.  I saw a few that could work.  Does it have to be 
original to SL?  

http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/3019423172.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/pts/3005690645.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/2999017573.html






On May 16, 2012, at 6:34 PM, Jim Cathey wrote:

 Ha. I've transported sofas on my roof for 300 miles- shrinkwrap and ratchet 
 straps!
 
 I lashed a sofa table to the roof of my SL, just threw down a blanket
 and lashed it 'round the top (windows down) with twine.  Same car
 also brought home a dishwasher in the trunk, lashed in so it wouldn't
 topple out.  Nothing like having a bit of a beater SL around...
 
 Indy just diagnosed said car as having 60# compression on the
 dead hole.  Funny, I'd measured it at 140#.
 
 Guess I'm looking for a local donor 380 engine.  Meanwhile, I guess
 I drive it...
 
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dieselhead

Does not have to be from an SL, but starting with a 380 or 420 would 
be easier.  Accessory stuff is different, but can be bolted on the 
new engine from the old.  M116 right?  But then Mr. Cathey already 
knows all this.


Clay's second engine is not adequate in the 21 century for vehicular 
(fahrtzoid) use.  something like 30 HP.  Will drive a generator or a 
old frod tractor with massive modification, or a water pump.



Check Seattle CL for engines.  I saw a few that could work.  Does it 
have to be original to SL? 


http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/3019423172.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/pts/3005690645.html

http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/2999017573.html


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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread Dieselhead




Guess I'm looking for a local donor 380 engine.  Meanwhile, I guess
I drive it...

-- Jim


Car-part.com has a few.  $1000 to $2000 from SLs

sedan 380s appear to be available down to $650 or so.

Looks like a sedan 420 engine can be had as low as $400-500.

I think I'd opt for the 4.2 engine form a 91 or so.

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-16 Thread clay monroe

http://seattle.craigslist.org/oly/cto/3009745116.html

On May 16, 2012, at 8:04 PM, Dieselhead wrote:

 Does not have to be from an SL, but starting with a 380 or 420 would be 
 easier.  Accessory stuff is different, but can be bolted on the new engine 
 from the old.  M116 right?  But then Mr. Cathey already knows all this.
 
 Clay's second engine is not adequate in the 21 century for vehicular 
 (fahrtzoid) use.  something like 30 HP.  Will drive a generator or a old frod 
 tractor with massive modification, or a water pump.
 
 
 Check Seattle CL for engines.  I saw a few that could work.  Does it have to 
 be original to SL? 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/tac/pts/3019423172.html
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/skc/pts/3005690645.html
 
 http://seattle.craigslist.org/sno/pts/2999017573.html
 
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

Power lines will all be underground by then.  Structures taller than one 
story
will all be gone since broad rooftops will be needed as landing/parking 
areas

for the car-planes. Trees will be found only in forested uninhabited areas.
No more towers either.  All communication will be by satellite.  There will 
be

no obstructions to hinder the carplanes.
Gerry



Right into the waiting overhead power lines!

On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Gerry Archer 
arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:



snip the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be improved,
and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky; coming down
by parachute; all before imminent accidents. /snip
Gerry



From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com


'Zackly; I have 2 of 'em.  'Wish I could sell 'em for what some think
they're worth - the sunroofs (holes-in-roof), that is.  ;)
Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca


Yeah, unfortunately, my car has the hole in the roof but if I had my
choice it would not.

I don't like the sun on the back of my sun glasses so if I want to run
with the sunroof open, I need to wear a hat with a brim.
Not so bad at night but really not necessary and just another potential
trouble spot.
Randy

On 14/05/2012 11:05 AM, WILTON wrote:


'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof!
Wilton




 On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:



http://www.washingtonpost.com/**opinions/the-american-dream-**

in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/**gIQAhEWzIU_story.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


Concrete overpasses will be gone; tunnels will be built underground in their
place.  The flight paths of carplanes will intersect at alternate altitudes 
preventing

collisions.
Gerry


On Mon, 14 May 2012 21:21:19 -0500 OK Don okd...@gmail.com wrote:

Right into the waiting overhead power lines!


Or the solidly build concrete freeway overpass!!
(Reminds me of F-104s that had downward ejection seats because the upward
ejection seats were not yet powerful enough to keep the pilot from being
sliced in two on the sharp, high rear stabilizer. IIRC, they finally
developed a powerful enough seat and retrofitted the F-104 fleet.)
Craig


 Gerry Archer wrote:
 snip the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be improved,
 and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky; coming down
 by parachute; all before imminent accidents. /snip
 Gerry

 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com
 'Zackly; I have 2 of 'em.  'Wish I could sell 'em for what some think
 they're worth - the sunroofs (holes-in-roof), that is.  ;)
 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell
 Yeah, unfortunately, my car has the hole in the roof but if I had my
 choice it would not.
 I don't like the sun on the back of my sun glasses so if I want to
 run with the sunroof open, I need to wear a hat with a brim.
 Not so bad at night but really not necessary and just another
 potential trouble spot.
 Randy

 On 14/05/2012 11:05 AM, WILTON wrote:
 'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof!
 Wilton

  On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/**opinions/the-american-dream-**
 
in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/**gIQAhEWzIU_story.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html
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 Gerry Archer wrote:
 snip the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be
 improved, and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky;
 coming down by parachute; all before imminent accidents.
 /snip Gerry



OK Don wrote:
Right into the waiting overhead power lines!


Or into the flying cars he also mentioned.
So maybe ejection seats what the car can aim.  Yeah!  Then for
long trips just use the seat and have the car plot a ballistic
trajectory and you could arrive at your destination in a
fraction of the time.
--   Philip

Carplanes, used most of the time for the daily commute, will 
have attachable rocket motors for quick trips at high trajectories.

There will also be rocketcycles in place of motorcycles.  Life in the
future will be exciting.
Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Mitch Haley


Randy Bennell wrote:

 I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an 
anti-Prius.
I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with a 
truck trunk.
It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in the 
sense of leather seats and power this and that. I have power pedals. I 
don't have a sunroof - which is fine as I really don't care for sunroofs.


And the next time it spits out its spark plug threads, you can drop a Cummins 
4BT and a six speed manual transmission in it.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Mitch Haley


Randy Bennell wrote:
However, I also am generally hauling some other stuff when we go back 
and forth like piles of lumber, plywood etc as we are renovating and 
likely will be for the rest of my useful days. The place is long in the 
tooth and needs pretty much everything repaired or replaced.



If your truck has an 8' box, it's a definite advantage when hauling construction 
stuff. My S210 is limited to 6 1/2' long x 3 1/2' wide by 2 1/2' high. You can 
put a few pieces of shinny 10' stuff in it, like pipe, conduit, or trim, but 
even my Achieva can do that. (yes, people do stop and stare when they see you 
sticking half a dozen 10' lengths of 2 conduit in the trunk of an Achieva)


I put about 800lb of ceramic tile in the back of trhe S210 a couple of weeks ago 
and was surprised at how unstable it got. It pumped up fine when I started the 
engine, but wallowed like a Buick with bad shocks on the drive home. Found out 
the tires were a bit low when I got home, hopefully that was the problem.


What's the 20' boat weigh? I wouldn't hesitate to launch it with my wagon 
(4Matic), but might not want to tow it long range, although the chassis is rated 
for something like 2200kg with brakes.


I think a good MBZ wagon could do most of what you need, but you'd have to rent 
a trailer to haul 4x8 sheets of anything.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Mitch Haley


Allan Streib wrote:

I think it sounds like you own the right vehicle.  So what if it doesn't
get 40MPG.  The overhead (insurance, registration/taxes, interest,
depreciation, maintenance) of owning a second economical car will more
than eat up any fuel savings unless you drive a LOT of miles.


Five years ago, with gas hitting the unreal price of $3 a gallon, I decided I 
wanted to get another motorcycle. When I was 17, I paid $12 a year for a plate 
and $14 a year for insurance, and gas was $1 a gallon. My 78mpg CB200 paid for 
itself with fuel savings. If I saved two tanks a year in Jeep gas my license and 
insurance were covered.


By 2007, the costs of license and insurance made it uneconomical to ride a 70mpg 
EX250 Ninja, even ignoring the purchase and maintenance costs of the bike. Yes, 
operating and insuring the bike was cheaper than a car, but if I already had the 
car, I'd never save enough on fuel to cover the additional cost of having the 
bike. With a 2nd car, one that gets less than 70mpg, it's even worse. You might 
make it work if you keep your insurance on the Prius, and call your insurance 
agent every 2nd Friday to move the insurance to the F150 for the weekend, but it 
takes a lot of gas to cover the $25k purchase price of the Prius.


Mitch.

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Rich Thomas


Gerry has been reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s again.

--R (The future is fun!  The future is fair!  You may already have won!  
You may already be there!  Yes, and it's starting now, so hop aboard 
that old YELLOW rubber line...)


On 5/15/12 4:13 AM, Gerry Archer wrote:
Carplanes, used most of the time for the daily commute, will have 
attachable rocket motors for quick trips at high trajectories.

There will also be rocketcycles in place of motorcycles.  Life in the
future will be exciting.
Gerry 


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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Rich Thomas

You don't need a remote, a lot of the fools do not use their seat 
belts.  A coupla thugs offed themselves in a car v. live oak tree the 
other night, during a high-speed chase from the po-pos, no seat belts in 
use.  The very large live oak refused to give right-of-way


Almost every day another one illustrates the precepts of Mr. Darwin, 
though many of them have passed along their genes.


--R

On 5/14/12 10:15 PM, G Mann wrote:

I only vote for that if I can have a remote control that ejects drivers.
Some fools should not be on the road in a car, driving.  No amount of
technology will overcome stupid.
Darwin Awards exist for  good reason.

You can't legislate common sense, either.


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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Dan Penoff

Just like how our friend, who is a former ER nurse, used to call ricers 
(Asian crotch rocket motorcycles):

Donor bikes

Dan

On May 15, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 You don't need a remote, a lot of the fools do not use their seat belts.  A 
 coupla thugs offed themselves in a car v. live oak tree the other night, 
 during a high-speed chase from the po-pos, no seat belts in use.  The very 
 large live oak refused to give right-of-way
 
 Almost every day another one illustrates the precepts of Mr. Darwin, though 
 many of them have passed along their genes.
 
 --R
 
 On 5/14/12 10:15 PM, G Mann wrote:
 I only vote for that if I can have a remote control that ejects drivers.
 Some fools should not be on the road in a car, driving.  No amount of
 technology will overcome stupid.
 Darwin Awards exist for  good reason.
 
 You can't legislate common sense, either.
 
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


From: Rich Thomas richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

Gerry has been reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s again.


You read Mechanix Illustrated?  Tch!  True mechanical buffs never read
anything but Popular Mechanics, and us science buffs only read Popular
Science.
Gerry.who's thinking of patenting his ideas.

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Rich Thomas

http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/2012/05/two-thugs-self-terminate.html

http://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-05-12T16:44:00-07:00max-results=7start=13by-date=false

Should you care to assess their credentials for Mr. Darwin.

Toland Gathers
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=11348711369sk=photos and
Shahied Ladson https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10942814679

Mr. Ladson left behind several offspring
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/charleston/obituary.aspx?n=shahied-n-ladsonpid=157542010
and apparently several young ladies who blessed him with his children.

Mr. Gathers has not been memorialized yet.

They were livin the dream but it looked like a Japanese automobile in
which it terminated.

--R

On 5/15/12 11:09 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Just like how our friend, who is a former ER nurse, used to call ricers
(Asian crotch rocket motorcycles):

Donor bikes

Dan

On May 15, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

You don't need a remote, a lot of the fools do not use their seat belts. A
coupla thugs offed themselves in a car v. live oak tree the other night, during
a high-speed chase from the po-pos, no seat belts in use. The very large live
oak refused to give right-of-way

Almost every day another one illustrates the precepts of Mr. Darwin, though
many of them have passed along their genes.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread G Mann

Certainly well qualified for entry into the Darwin Award competition.

Impressive documentation, I wonder how many thousands of public funds were
expended during these two lifetimes to effect their arrest, defense,
incarceration, and the support of their numerous illegitimate children?
I'm sure they were selling the drugs to raise child support... right? Like
any good citizen that would have been their first effort?.. right?

Hm Suicide by belligerent ignorance, death by oak tree seems
to about cover it.

Grant...

On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 8:36 AM, Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net wrote:

http://chasthuglife.blogspot.**com/2012/05/two-thugs-self-**terminate.htmlhttp://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/2012/05/two-thugs-self-terminate.html

http://chasthuglife.blogspot.**com/search?updated-max=2012-**
05-12T16:44:00-07:00max-**results=7start=13by-date=**falsehttp://chasthuglife.blogspot.com/search?updated-max=2012-05-12T16:44:00-07:00max-results=7start=13by-date=false

Should you care to assess their credentials for Mr. Darwin.

Toland Gathers http://www.facebook.com/**profile.php?id=**
11348711369sk=photoshttp://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=11348711369sk=photos
and Shahied Ladson https://www.facebook.com/**
profile.php?id=10942814679https://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=10942814679
**

Mr. Ladson left behind several offspring http://www.legacy.com/**
obituaries/charleston/**obituary.aspx?n=shahied-n-**ladsonpid=157542010http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/charleston/obituary.aspx?n=shahied-n-ladsonpid=157542010
and apparently several young ladies who blessed him with his children.

Mr. Gathers has not been memorialized yet.

They were livin the dream but it looked like a Japanese automobile in
which it terminated.

--R

On 5/15/12 11:09 AM, Dan Penoff wrote:

Just like how our friend, who is a former ER nurse, used to call ricers
(Asian crotch rocket motorcycles):

Donor bikes

Dan

On May 15, 2012, at 10:58 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

You don't need a remote, a lot of the fools do not use their seat belts.
A coupla thugs offed themselves in a car v. live oak tree the other night,
during a high-speed chase from the po-pos, no seat belts in use. The very
large live oak refused to give right-of-way

Almost every day another one illustrates the precepts of Mr. Darwin,
though many of them have passed along their genes.

--R

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Scott Ritchey

After observing the human condition for 65 years, especially recently, I
think feudal subsistence farming is more probable for most folks.  Soylent
Green, anyone?

-Original Message-
From: mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com [mailto:mercedes-boun...@okiebenz.com]
On Behalf Of Gerry Archer
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Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

Power lines will all be underground by then.  Structures taller than one 
story
will all be gone since broad rooftops will be needed as landing/parking 
areas
for the car-planes. Trees will be found only in forested uninhabited areas.
No more towers either.  All communication will be by satellite.  There will 
be
no obstructions to hinder the carplanes.
Gerry

 Right into the waiting overhead power lines!

 On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:58 PM, Gerry Archer 
 arche...@embarqmail.comwrote:

 snip the sunroofs will be enlarged, ejection seats will be improved,
 and occupants will be gently blasted into the sky; coming down
 by parachute; all before imminent accidents. /snip
 Gerry

 From: WILTON wilt...@nc.rr.com

 'Zackly; I have 2 of 'em.  'Wish I could sell 'em for what some think
 they're worth - the sunroofs (holes-in-roof), that is.  ;)
 Wilton

 - Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

 Yeah, unfortunately, my car has the hole in the roof but if I had my
 choice it would not.

 I don't like the sun on the back of my sun glasses so if I want to run
 with the sunroof open, I need to wear a hat with a brim.
 Not so bad at night but really not necessary and just another potential
 trouble spot.
 Randy

 On 14/05/2012 11:05 AM, WILTON wrote:

 'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof!
 Wilton

  On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

 http://www.washingtonpost.com/**opinions/the-american-dream-**

in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/**gIQAhEWzIU_story.htmlhttp://www.washingtonpos
t.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_sto
ry.html
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread mlh




From: Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net
 Gerry has been
reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s

again.
 
 You read Mechanix Illustrated?  Tch!  True
mechanical buffs never read
 anything but Popular Mechanics, and
us science buffs only read Popular
 Science.

Gerry.who's thinking of patenting his ideas.

While reading
your vision for the future, I was thinking about PopSci's 1950s views of
what 1970 would look like. If you extrapolated the advances from 1930 to
1950 for another 20 years, it would have seemed feasible at the time.
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread mlh



 Certainly well qualified for entry into the Darwin Award
competition.

No Darwin Award for Ladson, he spawned like a
salmon before dying. 
You get a Darwin Award for improving human
evolution by removing your genes from the pool.

Mitch.
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread mlh



 After observing the human condition for 65 years, especially
recently, I
 think feudal subsistence farming is more probable
for most folks.  Soylent
 Green, anyone?


The
Koreans keep messing up the Soylent Green shipments. 

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/shocking-customs-officials-intercept-17000-pills-filled-with-powdered-baby-flesh-from-china/

Here's a blogger who thinks the reporting is biased.

http://davidswills.com/?p=2038
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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


From: Rich Thomas
richthomas79td...@constructivity.net

Gerry has been

reading issues of Mechanix Illustrated from the 50s
again.


You read Mechanix Illustrated?  Tch!  True

mechanical buffs never read

anything but Popular Mechanics, and

us science buffs only read Popular

Science.

Gerry.who's thinking of patenting his ideas.

While reading
your vision for the future, I was thinking about PopSci's 1950s views of
what 1970 would look like. If you extrapolated the advances from 1930 to
1950 for another 20 years, it would have seemed feasible at the time.
Rich


I was being facetious about both the predictions and my reply.  Predictions
of the distant future don't seem to have a very good record of accuracy.:

http://paleo-future.blogspot.com/2007/04/postcards-showing-year-2000-circa-1900.html

Gerry 



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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-15 Thread Hendrik Fay

Well it seems they go the bit about Ladies spending a long time on the 
phone right

http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_sGYULzoQCgA/Ri1oTOyeJoI/AgA/w0d1jE6x_fw/s1600-h/y2kImage4.jpg

Hendrik
who doesn't talk much on the phone but Fay does

I was being facetious about both the predictions and my reply.  
Predictions

of the distant future don't seem to have a very good record of accuracy.:

http://paleo-future.blogspot.com/2007/04/postcards-showing-year-2000-circa-1900.html 



Gerry





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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile


On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html 



--R

 I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an 
anti-Prius.
I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with a 
truck trunk.
It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in the 
sense of leather seats and power this and that. I have power pedals. I 
don't have a sunroof - which is fine as I really don't care for sunroofs.


It is a bit hard on fuel but apart from that, it is great. It has room 
to haul people and stuff and can tow the boats and launch and retrieve 
them.


The Prius on the other hand makes good mileage but is essentially 
useless apart from being able to get one to and from and haul a few 
groceries.


If I were wealthy enough to hire people to haul whatever I needed and 
have the local marina care for my boats, I would not need the truck but, 
I would probably not be driving the Prius if I was that wealthy.


Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread WILTON

'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof!

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html

--R

 I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an 
anti-Prius.
I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with a 
truck trunk.
It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in the 
sense of leather seats and power this and that. I have power pedals. I 
don't have a sunroof - which is fine as I really don't care for sunroofs.

It is a bit hard on fuel but apart from that, it is great. It has room to 
haul people and stuff and can tow the boats and launch and retrieve 
them.

The Prius on the other hand makes good mileage but is essentially useless 
apart from being able to get one to and from and haul a few groceries.

If I were wealthy enough to hire people to haul whatever I needed and have 
the local marina care for my boats, I would not need the truck but, I 
would probably not be driving the Prius if I was that wealthy.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile



Yeah, unfortunately, my car has the hole in the roof but if I had my 
choice it would not.
I don't like the sun on the back of my sun glasses so if I want to run 
with the sunroof open, I need to wear a hat with a brim.


Not so bad at night but really not necessary and just another potential 
trouble spot.


Randy

On 14/05/2012 11:05 AM, WILTON wrote:

'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof!

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile



On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html 



--R

 I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an 
anti-Prius.
I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with 
a truck trunk.
It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in 
the sense of leather seats and power this and that. I have power 
pedals. I don't have a sunroof - which is fine as I really don't care 
for sunroofs.


It is a bit hard on fuel but apart from that, it is great. It has 
room to haul people and stuff and can tow the boats and launch and 
retrieve them.


The Prius on the other hand makes good mileage but is essentially 
useless apart from being able to get one to and from and haul a few 
groceries.


If I were wealthy enough to hire people to haul whatever I needed and 
have the local marina care for my boats, I would not need the truck 
but, I would probably not be driving the Prius if I was that wealthy.


Randy




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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread WILTON

'Zackly; I have 2 of 'em.  'Wish I could sell 'em for what some think 
they're worth - the sunroofs (holes-in-roof), that is.  ;)

Wilton

- Original Message - 
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca

To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:11 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

Yeah, unfortunately, my car has the hole in the roof but if I had my 
choice it would not.
I don't like the sun on the back of my sun glasses so if I want to run 
with the sunroof open, I need to wear a hat with a brim.

Not so bad at night but really not necessary and just another potential 
trouble spot.

Randy

On 14/05/2012 11:05 AM, WILTON wrote:

'Nother ATTABOY on the lack of sunroof!

Wilton

- Original Message - From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Sent: Monday, May 14, 2012 12:01 PM
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html

--R

 I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an 
anti-Prius.
I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with a 
truck trunk.
It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in the 
sense of leather seats and power this and that. I have power pedals. I 
don't have a sunroof - which is fine as I really don't care for 
sunroofs.

It is a bit hard on fuel but apart from that, it is great. It has room 
to haul people and stuff and can tow the boats and launch and retrieve 
them.

The Prius on the other hand makes good mileage but is essentially 
useless apart from being able to get one to and from and haul a few 
groceries.

If I were wealthy enough to hire people to haul whatever I needed and 
have the local marina care for my boats, I would not need the truck but, 
I would probably not be driving the Prius if I was that wealthy.

Randy

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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Curt Raymond

How often do you haul the boat really? Up to the lake in the spring and back in 
the fall or back and forth back and forth?

The Prius (the original anyway, the C is teeny) will haul a lot more than A 
few groceries its sized more like a 123 than a 201...

I'm not a huge Prius fan but I hate hearing people make fun of it and call it 
small or slow, its not either... 0-60 is around 10 seconds which is quite 
respectable considering what it is. The wheelbase is 106 which is the same 
(more or less) as a 123 coupe and a 68.7 its 1 narrower than a 115.

-Curt

Date: Mon, 14 May 2012 11:01:56 -0500
From: Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca
To: Mercedes Discussion List mercedes@okiebenz.com
Subject: Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile
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On 14/05/2012 8:09 AM, Rich Thomas wrote:
 http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-american-dream-in-an-automobile/2012/05/11/gIQAhEWzIU_story.html
  


 --R

  I have to say that I have never thought of my F150 as being an 
anti-Prius.
I think of it as practical. I have the Supercrew so it is a car with a 
truck trunk.
It is the Lariat so it has most of what we expect in newer cars in the 
sense of leather seats and power this and that. I have power pedals. I 
don't have a sunroof - which is fine as I really don't care for sunroofs.

It is a bit hard on fuel but apart from that, it is great. It has room 
to haul people and stuff and can tow the boats and launch and retrieve 
them.

The Prius on the other hand makes good mileage but is essentially 
useless apart from being able to get one to and from and haul a few 
groceries.

If I were wealthy enough to hire people to haul whatever I needed and 
have the local marina care for my boats, I would not need the truck but, 
I would probably not be driving the Prius if I was that wealthy.

Randy


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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

There is no doubt that I could easily drive a Prius or Honda Civic 
around town and would save fuel. In the summer, that is sort of what I 
do with the 300D but I don't try to drive it in winter.


The boat gets hauled about every 2nd weekend. It only gets hauled a half 
mile or so to the launch ramp to go in on Saturdya and then the same to 
come back out again on Sunday. We do not leave it in the lake when we 
are not there.
My mother is at the cottage all summer but is now 80 and I do not want 
her to worry about it or go to check on it if there is heavy rain etc. 
so, we park it on the trailer when not there.
Tom's boat is only a 16 foot Alumacraft so it does not truly require a 
full size truck to launch and retrieve it.
The other boat that I am working on but have yet to use is a 20 foot 
Lund with an inboard outboard so a bit bigger and heavier. However for 
the short haul and reasonably flat launch ramp, it could be done with 
something smaller I think.
We have a 95 4Runner that could be left at the lake for the summer, and 
was actually last summer. Right now it has problems and is awaiting repairs.


However, I also am generally hauling some other stuff when we go back 
and forth like piles of lumber, plywood etc as we are renovating and 
likely will be for the rest of my useful days. The place is long in the 
tooth and needs pretty much everything repaired or replaced.


I might do it with a smaller car and a trailer but I also live on a city 
lot and have no where to store a trailer.


Round and round we go with this stuff.

I wish there was a more efficient full size pickup. I sometimes consider 
a Dodge with the diesel but I don't need a 3/4 ton and I don't drive 
enough miles to make it worthwhile.


I know the Prius is neither really small or slow but it is not a truck 
either. I have had a Suburban and 2 full size Ford trucks in the recent 
past and have become accustomed to being able to haul pretty much 
whatever I want to.
If I could acquire a good 123 Wagon I would be tempted but it is 
becoming more and more difficult to find a reasonable one without huge 
miles on it etc. They, like me, are getting old.


Randy



On 14/05/2012 3:44 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:

How often do you haul the boat really? Up to the lake in the spring and back in 
the fall or back and forth back and forth?

The Prius (the original anyway, the C is teeny) will haul a lot more than A few 
groceries its sized more like a 123 than a 201...

I'm not a huge Prius fan but I hate hearing people make fun of it and call it small or 
slow, its not either... 0-60 is around 10 seconds which is quite respectable considering 
what it is. The wheelbase is 106 which is the same (more or less) as a 123 coupe 
and a 68.7 its 1 narrower than a 115.

-Curt





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Re: [MBZ] The American dream in an automobile

2012-05-14 Thread Dimitri Seretakis

The original Honda Insight is kind of cool looking. The current insight has 
better styling than the Prius. Plus Honda is a more responsible company if you 
ask me.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 14, 2012, at 6:56 PM, Randy Bennell rbenn...@bennell.ca wrote:

There is no doubt that I could easily drive a Prius or Honda Civic around town 
and would save fuel. In the summer, that is sort of what I do with the 300D but 
I don't try to drive it in winter.

The boat gets hauled about every 2nd weekend. It only gets hauled a half mile 
or so to the launch ramp to go in on Saturdya and then the same to come back 
out again on Sunday. We do not leave it in the lake when we are not there.
My mother is at the cottage all summer but is now 80 and I do not want her to 
worry about it or go to check on it if there is heavy rain etc. so, we park it 
on the trailer when not there.
Tom's boat is only a 16 foot Alumacraft so it does not truly require a full 
size truck to launch and retrieve it.
The other boat that I am working on but have yet to use is a 20 foot Lund with 
an inboard outboard so a bit bigger and heavier. However for the short haul and 
reasonably flat launch ramp, it could be done with something smaller I think.
We have a 95 4Runner that could be left at the lake for the summer, and was 
actually last summer. Right now it has problems and is awaiting repairs.

However, I also am generally hauling some other stuff when we go back and forth 
like piles of lumber, plywood etc as we are renovating and likely will be for 
the rest of my useful days. The place is long in the tooth and needs pretty 
much everything repaired or replaced.

I might do it with a smaller car and a trailer but I also live on a city lot 
and have no where to store a trailer.

Round and round we go with this stuff.

I wish there was a more efficient full size pickup. I sometimes consider a 
Dodge with the diesel but I don't need a 3/4 ton and I don't drive enough miles 
to make it worthwhile.

I know the Prius is neither really small or slow but it is not a truck either. 
I have had a Suburban and 2 full size Ford trucks in the recent past and have 
become accustomed to being able to haul pretty much whatever I want to.
If I could acquire a good 123 Wagon I would be tempted but it is becoming more 
and more difficult to find a reasonable one without huge miles on it etc. They, 
like me, are getting old.

Randy



On 14/05/2012 3:44 PM, Curt Raymond wrote:
How often do you haul the boat really? Up to the lake in the spring and back in 
the fall or back and forth back and forth?

The Prius (the original anyway, the C is teeny) will haul a lot more than A 
few groceries its sized more like a 123 than a 201...

I'm not a huge Prius fan but I hate hearing people make fun of it and call it 
small or slow, its not either... 0-60 is around 10 seconds which is quite 
respectable considering what it is. The wheelbase is 106 which is the same 
(more or less) as a 123 coupe and a 68.7 its 1 narrower than a 115.

-Curt




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