Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Helmut Hamm]

Bruce,

my thoughts exactly. It's been a long time since I sold on posters on eBay, and 
while I (obviously...) ship a lot less than you do, the 'evil, lying buyer' is 
also a non-existent phenomenon over here. I ship all over the world, and I have 
NEVER encountered this type of person.

Helmut


> I wonder if those "evil, lying Europeans" aren't solely an eBay phenomenon. 
> We sell on our site and on Amazon and have LOTS of overseas buyers (and of 
> course we accept PayPal from overseas customers), and we almost never have 
> even a single problem. I am thinking eBay is a magnet for scam artists (I 
> have seen Youtube videos telling how you can get almost anything free on 
> eBay, simply by buying it with PayPal and then putting in a false claim, thus 
> getting your money back AND the item.
> 
> Bruce
> 


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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

Your last line says it all. Rather than go through the hassle of dealing
with a lying, thieving buyer and an unresponsive Ebay and PayPal, I
prefer someone like you just pass. That's my choice.  FRANC
 
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Franc,

I'm not going to play Paypal's advocate here, but their own regulations
are pretty clear, as stated below. Also, Paypal does explicitly NOT
offer transport insurance, so they won't take any responsibility if a
poster is lost in transport. 
On the other hand, I figure the average Paypal employee is about as well
educated as any other callcenter worker, so I seriously doubt that the
person who decided about your claim was even fully aware of the actual
Paypal rules and regulations. That, of course, is part of the price of
doing business with a multi-national trust.

I'm not the expert on the USPS postage system, and being in Germany I
certainly shouldn't be. All I can say, I'm frequently receiving
packages, sent First Class, with a Certificate of Mailing, with a USPS
waybill that was quite obviously purchased online and printed at home.
Whether this was done directly through USPS or through stamps.com is
beyond my knowledge. All I know is, it can be done and if it IS done by
the seller, it saves me a lot of money.

Be that as may, as I said before: If a seller is working with me on
this, I'll bid, if he doesn't, I usually pass.

Helmut


Am 12.12.2011 um 20:28 schrieb Franc:


I don't know if you've ever tried to place a claim with Ebay or PayPal.
I have. I had a Customs Tracking number and a postal receipt for
International AirMail. Ebay and PayPal would not accept it and insisted
on proof of delivery. You can't buy postage on-line from USPS.com for
International First Class, only Priority or Express Mail. Nor can one
buy a Certificate of Mailing on-line from USPS. I'm not even sure if you
can buy one in a post office. Hence some buyers like myself insist on
using Priority International, even though we realize it will cut into
our sales because of the exorbinant postal fees. FRANC

-Original Message-
From: Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de] 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:53 AM
To: Franc; mop...@sol03.american.edu
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron


Franc,

here's a copy of the actual Paypal regulations:

4. Proof of shipment. 

4.1. General. The payment recipient proofs the shipment of an item by
providing an online tracking number of an independent shipping service
or a shipping receipt issued by an independent shipping service, which
may be uploaded via the PayPal website. In certain cases, providing an
online tracking number will not suffice, so the payment recipient will
be requested to provide a shipping receipt.

They want a proof of SHIPMENT, not a proof of delivery, so the
Certificate of Mailing should absolutely suffice.

About buying postage online: If I can do it from here, anyone in the US
should be able to do it as well. You CAN buy the appropriate postage on
the USPS website, but there is one restriction: If your package is 13 oz
or more, for so-called 'security reasons' it has to be presented at the
post office. (Seeing this restriction makes me once again wonder,
whatever happened to the 'land of the free and the home of the brave'
but that's a different topic, and it certainly does not belong here.)

As you know, I'm also a dealer, and I STILL charge about $10 for a
folded poster to any destination worldwide, which barely covers my costs
for postage and packing and includes a tracking number. I usually cover
transport insurance from my end (through my gallery policy). I consider
this part of the costs of doing business, and I DO NOT make my buyers
pay for it, regardless actual value. 

Quite frankly, I FREQUENTLY receive well packed, sometimes expensive
lobby cards, well packed, with First Class Mail at a postage cost of
under $12. 
Whenever I see a postage quote of $40 or the like on eBay, I usually
don't even bother to bid.

Cheers,

Helmut


Am 12.12.2011 um 16:10 schrieb Franc:


Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com
<http://USPS.com/>  in the US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a
Certificate of Mailing on-line in the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I
believe Ebay or PayPal will accept this as proof of shipment because
they both insist on proof of delivery. If a US seller ships Ebay sale
items overseas the only protection that the US seller will be offerred
by Ebay and/or PayPal is through Priority International which tracks
delivery and is outrageously expensive. It costs almost $40 to ship a
lobby card from NY to England by Priority International. I have to
insist on it howe

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

Here's the thing. My postal rates are posted in my Ebay listings. If the
buyer is not comfortable paying for Priority International, they are
free to purchase from you. FRANC

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Helmut Hamm
Sent: Tuesday, December 13, 2011 8:12 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron


Franc,

my criticism is not about you making extra money from shipping in the
first place. I much more critize that you choose an extremely expensive
shipping option and make your BUYER pay the bill. If I supposed to pay
an extra $28 on lobby card, merely for the seller's piece of mind, I
will usually prefer not to do business with this person.

You don't think that even over here I could get full insurance coverage
at the $10 basic rate I charge to my buyers? Guess what, I can't. 
Instead, I pay for a transport policy as part of my gallery insurance,
that will cover me on expensive items (basically anything worth $500 or
more). Obviously, this is not for free,
On any cheaper items, I simply cover a potential loss myself, I write
this off to 'customer service' and take it into consideration when I
calculate my ASKING PRICES. 

Personally, I hate it when I see a $50 item become a $90 item with
shipping, and I know that a vast number of my clients feel the same.

If I were to take your approach, my minimum postage fees would be around
$50 to $80, depending on location. To each his own, but I refuse to do
this, and instead I've chosen to live with the every-day risk of facing
one of those evil, lying Europeans.

Helmut


Am 12.12.2011 um 20:39 schrieb Franc:



 Helmut ---  I  just shipped a lobby by Priority International. It
weighed 1.9 oz with my packaging and it required additional insurance.
That's why it cost $40. There was no overcharge and you shouldn't
insinuate there was. There's no reason to be so nasty on a forum in
which we are exchanging information.  FRANC
 
 From: Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de] 
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:07 PM
To: Franc; mop...@sol03.american.edu
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron



Franc,

you're saying


It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority
International. 


Since you're a professional, I figure you should know what you're
talking about here... Yet, for mere curiosity's sake, I just checked the
actual cost on usps.com <http://usps.com/> : I assumed a weight of one
pound, which we both know is ample for a single lobby card, and I
further assumed the package cannot bent easily. If purchased online, the
actual cost is $28.03, $29.50 at the post office counter so that would
be an overcharge of $11.97, respectively $10.50.

Now, when Rich (rightfully) complained about an overcharge of a mere $5
you gave the following advice:

 I recommend you leave him a negative feedback and explain why in the
comments and report him to Ebay for charging excessive postage. He's an
idiot. FRANC

Cheers,

Helmut


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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Bruce Hershenson]

I wonder if those "evil, lying Europeans" aren't solely an eBay phenomenon.
We sell on our site and on Amazon and have *LOTS *of overseas buyers (and
of course we accept PayPal from overseas customers), and we almost never
have even a single problem. I am thinking eBay is a magnet for scam artists
(I have seen Youtube videos telling how you can get almost anything free on
eBay, simply by buying it with PayPal and then putting in a false claim,
thus getting your money back AND the item.

Bruce

On Tue, Dec 13, 2011 at 7:12 AM, Helmut Hamm  wrote:

> Franc,
>
> my criticism is not about you making extra money from shipping in the
> first place. I much more critize that you choose an extremely expensive
> shipping option and make your BUYER pay the bill. If I supposed to pay an
> extra $28 on lobby card, merely for the seller's piece of mind, I will
> usually prefer not to do business with this person.
>
> You don't think that even over here I could get full insurance coverage at
> the $10 basic rate I charge to my buyers? Guess what, I can't.
> Instead, I pay for a transport policy as part of my gallery insurance,
> that will cover me on expensive items (basically anything worth $500 or
> more). Obviously, this is not for free,
> On any cheaper items, I simply cover a potential loss myself, I write this
> off to 'customer service' and take it into consideration when I calculate
> my ASKING PRICES.
>
> Personally, I hate it when I see a $50 item become a $90 item with
> shipping, and I know that a vast number of my clients feel the same.
>
> If I were to take your approach, my minimum postage fees would be around
> $50 to $80, depending on location. To each his own, but I refuse to do
> this, and instead I've chosen to live with the every-day risk of facing one
> of those evil, lying Europeans.
>
> Helmut
>
>
> Am 12.12.2011 um 20:39 schrieb Franc:
>
>   Helmut ---  I  just shipped a lobby by Priority International. It
> weighed 1.9 oz with my packaging and it required additional insurance.
> That's why it cost $40. There was no overcharge and you shouldn't insinuate
> there was. There's no reason to be so nasty on a forum in which we are
> exchanging information.  FRANC
>
>  *From:* Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de]
> *Sent:* Monday, December 12, 2011 1:07 PM
> *To:* Franc; mop...@sol03.american.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
>
>  Franc,
>
> you're saying
>
> It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority
> International.
>
>
> Since you're a professional, I figure you should know what you're talking
> about here... Yet, for mere curiosity's sake, I just checked the actual
> cost on usps.com: I assumed a weight of one pound, which we both know is
> ample for a single lobby card, and I further assumed the package cannot
> bent easily. If purchased online, the actual cost is $28.03, $29.50 at the
> post office counter so that would be an overcharge of
> $11.97, respectively $10.50.
>
> Now, when Rich (rightfully) complained about an overcharge of a mere $5
> you gave the following advice:
>
>  I recommend you leave him a negative feedback and explain why in the
> comments and report him to Ebay for charging excessive postage. He's an
> idiot. FRANC
>
> Cheers,
>
> Helmut
>
>
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Helmut Hamm]

Franc,

my criticism is not about you making extra money from shipping in the first 
place. I much more critize that you choose an extremely expensive shipping 
option and make your BUYER pay the bill. If I supposed to pay an extra $28 on 
lobby card, merely for the seller's piece of mind, I will usually prefer not to 
do business with this person.

You don't think that even over here I could get full insurance coverage at the 
$10 basic rate I charge to my buyers? Guess what, I can't. 
Instead, I pay for a transport policy as part of my gallery insurance, that 
will cover me on expensive items (basically anything worth $500 or more). 
Obviously, this is not for free,
On any cheaper items, I simply cover a potential loss myself, I write this off 
to 'customer service' and take it into consideration when I calculate my ASKING 
PRICES. 

Personally, I hate it when I see a $50 item become a $90 item with shipping, 
and I know that a vast number of my clients feel the same.

If I were to take your approach, my minimum postage fees would be around $50 to 
$80, depending on location. To each his own, but I refuse to do this, and 
instead I've chosen to live with the every-day risk of facing one of those 
evil, lying Europeans.

Helmut


Am 12.12.2011 um 20:39 schrieb Franc:

>  Helmut ---  I  just shipped a lobby by Priority International. It weighed 
> 1.9 oz with my packaging and it required additional insurance. That's why it 
> cost $40. There was no overcharge and you shouldn't insinuate there was. 
> There's no reason to be so nasty on a forum in which we are exchanging 
> information.  FRANC
>  
>  From: Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de] 
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:07 PM
> To: Franc; mop...@sol03.american.edu
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
> 
> Franc,
> 
> you're saying
> 
>> It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority 
>> International. 
> 
> Since you're a professional, I figure you should know what you're talking 
> about here... Yet, for mere curiosity's sake, I just checked the actual cost 
> on usps.com: I assumed a weight of one pound, which we both know is ample for 
> a single lobby card, and I further assumed the package cannot bent easily. If 
> purchased online, the actual cost is $28.03, $29.50 at the post office 
> counter so that would be an overcharge of $11.97, respectively $10.50.
> 
> Now, when Rich (rightfully) complained about an overcharge of a mere $5 you 
> gave the following advice:
> 
>  I recommend you leave him a negative feedback and explain why in the 
> comments and report him to Ebay for charging excessive postage. He's an 
> idiot. FRANC
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Helmut


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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Helmut Hamm]

Franc,

I'm not going to play Paypal's advocate here, but their own regulations are 
pretty clear, as stated below. Also, Paypal does explicitly NOT offer transport 
insurance, so they won't take any responsibility if a poster is lost in 
transport. 
On the other hand, I figure the average Paypal employee is about as well 
educated as any other callcenter worker, so I seriously doubt that the person 
who decided about your claim was even fully aware of the actual Paypal rules 
and regulations. That, of course, is part of the price of doing business with a 
multi-national trust.

I'm not the expert on the USPS postage system, and being in Germany I certainly 
shouldn't be. All I can say, I'm frequently receiving packages, sent First 
Class, with a Certificate of Mailing, with a USPS waybill that was quite 
obviously purchased online and printed at home. Whether this was done directly 
through USPS or through stamps.com is beyond my knowledge. All I know is, it 
can be done and if it IS done by the seller, it saves me a lot of money.

Be that as may, as I said before: If a seller is working with me on this, I'll 
bid, if he doesn't, I usually pass.

Helmut


Am 12.12.2011 um 20:28 schrieb Franc:

> I don't know if you've ever tried to place a claim with Ebay or PayPal. I 
> have. I had a Customs Tracking number and a postal receipt for International 
> AirMail. Ebay and PayPal would not accept it and insisted on proof of 
> delivery. You can't buy postage on-line from USPS.com for International First 
> Class, only Priority or Express Mail. Nor can one buy a Certificate of 
> Mailing on-line from USPS. I'm not even sure if you can buy one in a post 
> office. Hence some buyers like myself insist on using Priority International, 
> even though we realize it will cut into our sales because of the exorbinant 
> postal fees. FRANC
> -Original Message-
> From: Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de] 
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 10:53 AM
> To: Franc; mop...@sol03.american.edu
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
> 
> Franc,
> 
> here's a copy of the actual Paypal regulations:
> 
> 4. Proof of shipment.
> 4.1. General. The payment recipient proofs the shipment of an item by 
> providing an online tracking number of an independent shipping service or a 
> shipping receipt issued by an independent shipping service, which may be 
> uploaded via the PayPal website. In certain cases, providing an online 
> tracking number will not suffice, so the payment recipient will be requested 
> to provide a shipping receipt.
> 
> They want a proof of SHIPMENT, not a proof of delivery, so the Certificate of 
> Mailing should absolutely suffice.
> 
> About buying postage online: If I can do it from here, anyone in the US 
> should be able to do it as well. You CAN buy the appropriate postage on the 
> USPS website, but there is one restriction: If your package is 13 oz or more, 
> for so-called 'security reasons' it has to be presented at the post office. 
> (Seeing this restriction makes me once again wonder, whatever happened to the 
> 'land of the free and the home of the brave' but that's a different topic, 
> and it certainly does not belong here.)
> 
> As you know, I'm also a dealer, and I STILL charge about $10 for a folded 
> poster to any destination worldwide, which barely covers my costs for postage 
> and packing and includes a tracking number. I usually cover transport 
> insurance from my end (through my gallery policy). I consider this part of 
> the costs of doing business, and I DO NOT make my buyers pay for it, 
> regardless actual value. 
> 
> Quite frankly, I FREQUENTLY receive well packed, sometimes expensive lobby 
> cards, well packed, with First Class Mail at a postage cost of under $12. 
> Whenever I see a postage quote of $40 or the like on eBay, I usually don't 
> even bother to bid.
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Helmut
> 
> 
> Am 12.12.2011 um 16:10 schrieb Franc:
> 
>> Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com in the 
>> US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a Certificate of Mailing on-line 
>> in the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I believe Ebay or PayPal will accept 
>> this as proof of shipment because they both insist on proof of delivery. If 
>> a US seller ships Ebay sale items overseas the only protection that the US 
>> seller will be offerred by Ebay and/or PayPal is through Priority 
>> International which tracks delivery and is outrageously expensive. It costs 
>> almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority 
>> International. I have to insist on it however for all purchases over $150 in 
>> value in co

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Kirby McDaniel]

Adding to what Richard and Grey have said:  there is the issue of the money and 
the issue of the irreplaceability of certain items.  With registered mail, you 
not only get
solid insurance but also the internal locked-down handling and tracking that 
the post office provides.  Registered mail items go under lock and key and each 
handler
must sign for each piece they process before passing it on down the line.  In 
my entire career, only one piece of registered mail (it was insured) did not 
show up.  It was coming
from Los Angeles to Austin  and ended up after tracing/tracking it -- in 
Mexico.  It finally got delivered here safe and sound, and with no need to file 
the insurance claim.  In this case I was especially concerned because it was 
poster that belonged to a client and it could not be replaced.  I don't know if 
it was the only one, but I had nowhere to go to find a replacement.  It is cold 
comfort to a collector who wants the poster, NOT the five or ten or fifteen or 
whatever thousand dollars the poster costs.  That irreplaceability is
something that insurance cannot fix.

Kirby


On Dec 12, 2011, at 5:35 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art wrote:

> Grey is right about Registered Mail
> people don't realize that every person at the post office that handles a 
> Registered Mail item must sign a form so that every person in the chain can 
> be identified if there is a loss and that any overnight stay it makes at any 
> location, it is either in a vault or a locked cage that only one person at 
> the post office can access
> 
> it's the single way that items over $50,000 can be shipped for financial 
> security without having a specific insurance rider above that level in any 
> policy
> 
> 
> At 03:23 PM 12/12/2011, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote:
>> Exactly, Kirby, third party insurance is the only way when using FedEx.
>> They have a real self serving deal going by offering insurance on items they 
>> will NOT insure and selling it all the time to the unsuspecting.
>> I understand Sean made them see it differently on at least one occasion, if 
>> I heard correctly, and think that's great.
>> How many thousands of people will not protest once the diamond ring is lost 
>> and they have insured it with FedEx thinking all is well?
>> USPO offers Registered mail which is a very secure method as far as I'm 
>> concerned. It just takes the snail mail time frame, but you can insure up to 
>> hundreds of thousands of dollars.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby 
>> McDaniel
>> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:11 PM
>> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
>> 
>> Absolutely.  You have explained it better than I have.
>> 
>> I have never been able to discern WHY they have this policy --- and NO ONE 
>> at Fed Ex -- and I have talked
>> to some folks very high up the food chain -- has been able to explain it to 
>> me.
>> 
>> Why they care what it is you are sending (as far as valuation goes) is 
>> beyond me.  The fee for upper levels of declared value
>> act just like an insurance premium from what I can see.  So why it makes a 
>> difference what is being shipped -- I'm not smart
>> enough to figure that out.
>> 
>> I think they fear the inside job.
>> 
>> One can get good third party insurance for Fed EX shipments, and policy 
>> holders with Collectibles Insurance can
>> insure through them - it comes with the policy.
>> 
>> Kirby
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Linkenback wrote:
>> 
>> > You nailed it with FedEx Kirby.
>> > If you file a claim with them, they are very quick to point out that they 
>> > do not offer "insurance" at all (and they point to their service manual, 
>> > which they never give you a copy of or have available to back them up).
>> >
>> > They simply have a "declared value" section where they charge you an 
>> > additional fee to transport packages that are worth more than $100.00
>> >
>> > Of course this doesn't stop their clerks from asking if you would like to 
>> > purchase "insurance" for your package.
>> >
>> >
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Kirby McDaniel [mailto:ki...@movieart.net]
>> > Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 05:29 PM
>> > To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
>> > Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
>> >
>> > David, et al
>> > If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- an

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

Grey is right about Registered Mail
people don't realize that every person at the post office that 
handles a Registered Mail item must sign a form so that every person 
in the chain can be identified if there is a loss and that any 
overnight stay it makes at any location, it is either in a vault or a 
locked cage that only one person at the post office can access


it's the single way that items over $50,000 can be shipped for 
financial security without having a specific insurance rider above 
that level in any policy



At 03:23 PM 12/12/2011, Smith, Grey - 1367 wrote:

Exactly, Kirby, third party insurance is the only way when using FedEx.
They have a real self serving deal going by offering insurance on 
items they will NOT insure and selling it all the time to the unsuspecting.
I understand Sean made them see it differently on at least one 
occasion, if I heard correctly, and think that's great.
How many thousands of people will not protest once the diamond ring 
is lost and they have insured it with FedEx thinking all is well?
USPO offers Registered mail which is a very secure method as far as 
I'm concerned. It just takes the snail mail time frame, but you can 
insure up to hundreds of thousands of dollars.



-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of 
Kirby McDaniel

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:11 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

Absolutely.  You have explained it better than I have.

I have never been able to discern WHY they have this policy --- and 
NO ONE at Fed Ex -- and I have talked
to some folks very high up the food chain -- has been able to 
explain it to me.


Why they care what it is you are sending (as far as valuation goes) 
is beyond me.  The fee for upper levels of declared value
act just like an insurance premium from what I can see.  So why it 
makes a difference what is being shipped -- I'm not smart

enough to figure that out.

I think they fear the inside job.

One can get good third party insurance for Fed EX shipments, and 
policy holders with Collectibles Insurance can

insure through them - it comes with the policy.

Kirby


On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Linkenback wrote:

> You nailed it with FedEx Kirby.
> If you file a claim with them, they are very quick to point out 
that they do not offer "insurance" at all (and they point to their 
service manual, which they never give you a copy of or have 
available to back them up).

>
> They simply have a "declared value" section where they charge you 
an additional fee to transport packages that are worth more than $100.00

>
> Of course this doesn't stop their clerks from asking if you would 
like to purchase "insurance" for your package.

>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby McDaniel [mailto:ki...@movieart.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 05:29 PM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
>
> David, et al
> If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- and it 
wouldn't have to be very large either - the revenues
> could be used to support snail mail 6 days a week for everybody. 
And it would help to control spam and frivolous email

> as well.
>
>
> When J Crew, L.L. Bean, Williams-Sonoma, Lands End and all these 
other good folks have to hand off that catalog

> delivery business to UPS, then we'll hear a caterwauling for sure.
>
>
> Personally, I really dislike UPS. Here in Austin they simply will 
leave a 12 thousand dollar package on your porch whether
> a signature is required or not. Either they just don't care or 
their drivers are intentionally ignoring it.

>
>
> FED EX is, of course, quite good where speed is necessary. But 
the insurance things with them is not applicable to film posters. I've posted
> about this in the past. If you "insure" a film poster with FED EX 
and it gets lost, they are not required to pay you. Because works of art,
> collectibles, jewelry and furs are distinctly excepted from 
liability in their service manual.

>
>
> Kirby
> www.movieart.net
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, David Kusumoto wrote:
>
> I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right 
fiscally - yet I agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and 
others have said about how critical it is to preserve our 
beleaguered USPS. Free markets cannot apply to a service that by 
law, goes EVERYWHERE. Most people don't know the post office gets 
its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT tax 
dollars. If the post office raised its first class rate for a 
one-ounce letter to $1, I would still pay it. The idea that 
strangers in USPS uniforms will carry a letter for you for less 
than

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Smith, Grey - 1367]

Exactly, Kirby, third party insurance is the only way when using FedEx.
They have a real self serving deal going by offering insurance on items they 
will NOT insure and selling it all the time to the unsuspecting.
I understand Sean made them see it differently on at least one occasion, if I 
heard correctly, and think that's great. 
How many thousands of people will not protest once the diamond ring is lost and 
they have insured it with FedEx thinking all is well?
USPO offers Registered mail which is a very secure method as far as I'm 
concerned. It just takes the snail mail time frame, but you can insure up to 
hundreds of thousands of dollars.


-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby 
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 5:11 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

Absolutely.  You have explained it better than I have.

I have never been able to discern WHY they have this policy --- and NO ONE at 
Fed Ex -- and I have talked
to some folks very high up the food chain -- has been able to explain it to me.

Why they care what it is you are sending (as far as valuation goes) is beyond 
me.  The fee for upper levels of declared value 
act just like an insurance premium from what I can see.  So why it makes a 
difference what is being shipped -- I'm not smart
enough to figure that out.

I think they fear the inside job.

One can get good third party insurance for Fed EX shipments, and policy holders 
with Collectibles Insurance can
insure through them - it comes with the policy.

Kirby


On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Linkenback wrote:

> You nailed it with FedEx Kirby.
> If you file a claim with them, they are very quick to point out that they do 
> not offer "insurance" at all (and they point to their service manual, which 
> they never give you a copy of or have available to back them up).
> 
> They simply have a "declared value" section where they charge you an 
> additional fee to transport packages that are worth more than $100.00
> 
> Of course this doesn't stop their clerks from asking if you would like to 
> purchase "insurance" for your package.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby McDaniel [mailto:ki...@movieart.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 05:29 PM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
> 
> David, et al
> If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- and it wouldn't have 
> to be very large either - the revenues
> could be used to support snail mail 6 days a week for everybody. And it would 
> help to control spam and frivolous email
> as well. 
> 
> 
> When J Crew, L.L. Bean, Williams-Sonoma, Lands End and all these other good 
> folks have to hand off that catalog
> delivery business to UPS, then we'll hear a caterwauling for sure.
> 
> 
> Personally, I really dislike UPS. Here in Austin they simply will leave a 12 
> thousand dollar package on your porch whether
> a signature is required or not. Either they just don't care or their drivers 
> are intentionally ignoring it. 
> 
> 
> FED EX is, of course, quite good where speed is necessary. But the insurance 
> things with them is not applicable to film posters. I've posted
> about this in the past. If you "insure" a film poster with FED EX and it gets 
> lost, they are not required to pay you. Because works of art, 
> collectibles, jewelry and furs are distinctly excepted from liability in 
> their service manual. 
> 
> 
> Kirby
> www.movieart.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, David Kusumoto wrote:
> 
> I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right fiscally - yet 
> I agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and others have said about 
> how critical it is to preserve our beleaguered USPS. Free markets cannot 
> apply to a service that by law, goes EVERYWHERE. Most people don't know the 
> post office gets its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT 
> tax dollars. If the post office raised its first class rate for a one-ounce 
> letter to $1, I would still pay it. The idea that strangers in USPS uniforms 
> will carry a letter for you for less than 50 cents - and deliver it to a 
> rural location with a high degree of reliability - is amazing to me. 
> 
> I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan long 
> associated with the USPS. That's what the USPS is all about. I've been all 
> over the world and in terms of reliability of delivery, we've got one of the 
> best postal systems anywhere. This is corny but what Franc wrote about the 
> USPS as part

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Kirby McDaniel]

Absolutely.  You have explained it better than I have.

I have never been able to discern WHY they have this policy --- and NO ONE at 
Fed Ex -- and I have talked
to some folks very high up the food chain -- has been able to explain it to me.

Why they care what it is you are sending (as far as valuation goes) is beyond 
me.  The fee for upper levels of declared value 
act just like an insurance premium from what I can see.  So why it makes a 
difference what is being shipped -- I'm not smart
enough to figure that out.

I think they fear the inside job.

One can get good third party insurance for Fed EX shipments, and policy holders 
with Collectibles Insurance can
insure through them - it comes with the policy.

Kirby


On Dec 12, 2011, at 4:52 PM, Sean Linkenback wrote:

> You nailed it with FedEx Kirby.
> If you file a claim with them, they are very quick to point out that they do 
> not offer "insurance" at all (and they point to their service manual, which 
> they never give you a copy of or have available to back them up).
> 
> They simply have a "declared value" section where they charge you an 
> additional fee to transport packages that are worth more than $100.00
> 
> Of course this doesn't stop their clerks from asking if you would like to 
> purchase "insurance" for your package.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Kirby McDaniel [mailto:ki...@movieart.net]
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 05:29 PM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
> 
> David, et al
> If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- and it wouldn't have 
> to be very large either - the revenues
> could be used to support snail mail 6 days a week for everybody. And it would 
> help to control spam and frivolous email
> as well. 
> 
> 
> When J Crew, L.L. Bean, Williams-Sonoma, Lands End and all these other good 
> folks have to hand off that catalog
> delivery business to UPS, then we'll hear a caterwauling for sure.
> 
> 
> Personally, I really dislike UPS. Here in Austin they simply will leave a 12 
> thousand dollar package on your porch whether
> a signature is required or not. Either they just don't care or their drivers 
> are intentionally ignoring it. 
> 
> 
> FED EX is, of course, quite good where speed is necessary. But the insurance 
> things with them is not applicable to film posters. I've posted
> about this in the past. If you "insure" a film poster with FED EX and it gets 
> lost, they are not required to pay you. Because works of art, 
> collectibles, jewelry and furs are distinctly excepted from liability in 
> their service manual. 
> 
> 
> Kirby
> www.movieart.net
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, David Kusumoto wrote:
> 
> I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right fiscally - yet 
> I agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and others have said about 
> how critical it is to preserve our beleaguered USPS. Free markets cannot 
> apply to a service that by law, goes EVERYWHERE. Most people don't know the 
> post office gets its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT 
> tax dollars. If the post office raised its first class rate for a one-ounce 
> letter to $1, I would still pay it. The idea that strangers in USPS uniforms 
> will carry a letter for you for less than 50 cents - and deliver it to a 
> rural location with a high degree of reliability - is amazing to me. 
> 
> I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan long 
> associated with the USPS. That's what the USPS is all about. I've been all 
> over the world and in terms of reliability of delivery, we've got one of the 
> best postal systems anywhere. This is corny but what Franc wrote about the 
> USPS as part of our nation's heritage rings true for me. I try my best to 
> greet my postal carrier every day. Just last week, in the black of night, a 
> different carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a large box on 
> her shoulder. She had one of those those beamed LED lights attached to the 
> front of her cap so she wouldn't fall. She was late but determined to get 
> through that day's deliveries that had turned quickly into night. I assessed 
> her situation in a few seconds and was in awe. And the next day she no doubt 
> went through the same thing all over again, elsewhere.
> 
> 
> 
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:31:22 -0800
> From:sa...@comic-art.com
> Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron
> To:MoPo-L@LIST

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Sean Linkenback]

You nailed it with FedEx Kirby.
If you file a claim with them, they are very quick to point out that they do 
not offer "insurance" at all (and they point to their service manual, which 
they never give you a copy of or have available to back them up).

They simply have a "declared value" section where they charge you an additional 
fee to transport packages that are worth more than $100.00

Of course this doesn't stop their clerks from asking if you would like to 
purchase "insurance" for your package.


-Original Message-
From: Kirby McDaniel [mailto:ki...@movieart.net]
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 05:29 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

David, et al
If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- and it wouldn't have 
to be very large either - the revenues
could be used to support snail mail 6 days a week for everybody. And it would 
help to control spam and frivolous email
as well. 


When J Crew, L.L. Bean, Williams-Sonoma, Lands End and all these other good 
folks have to hand off that catalog
delivery business to UPS, then we'll hear a caterwauling for sure.


Personally, I really dislike UPS. Here in Austin they simply will leave a 12 
thousand dollar package on your porch whether
a signature is required or not. Either they just don't care or their drivers 
are intentionally ignoring it. 


FED EX is, of course, quite good where speed is necessary. But the insurance 
things with them is not applicable to film posters. I've posted
about this in the past. If you "insure" a film poster with FED EX and it gets 
lost, they are not required to pay you. Because works of art, 
collectibles, jewelry and furs are distinctly excepted from liability in their 
service manual. 


Kirby
www.movieart.net







On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, David Kusumoto wrote:

I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right fiscally - yet I 
agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and others have said about how 
critical it is to preserve our beleaguered USPS. Free markets cannot apply to a 
service that by law, goes EVERYWHERE. Most people don't know the post office 
gets its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT tax dollars. 
If the post office raised its first class rate for a one-ounce letter to $1, I 
would still pay it. The idea that strangers in USPS uniforms will carry a 
letter for you for less than 50 cents - and deliver it to a rural location with 
a high degree of reliability - is amazing to me. 

I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan long 
associated with the USPS. That's what the USPS is all about. I've been all over 
the world and in terms of reliability of delivery, we've got one of the best 
postal systems anywhere. This is corny but what Franc wrote about the USPS as 
part of our nation's heritage rings true for me. I try my best to greet my 
postal carrier every day. Just last week, in the black of night, a different 
carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a large box on her shoulder. 
She had one of those those beamed LED lights attached to the front of her cap 
so she wouldn't fall. She was late but determined to get through that day's 
deliveries that had turned quickly into night. I assessed her situation in a 
few seconds and was in awe. And the next day she no doubt went through the same 
thing all over again, elsewhere.



Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:31:22 -0800
From:sa...@comic-art.com
Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron
To:MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

* Don't get me started on this. The postal services are NOT a business. They 
were never intended to be a business. They are a government service. We still 
need them, despite
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

I am not for a tax on email, except for spammers
if they had to pay a tax on email, I'd get a lot less of their 
garbage to deal with everyday



At 02:29 PM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

David, et al

If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- and it 
wouldn't have to be very large either - the revenues
could be used to support snail mail 6 days a week for 
everybody.  And it would help to control spam and frivolous email

as well.

When J Crew, L.L. Bean, Williams-Sonoma, Lands End and all these 
other good folks have to hand off that catalog

delivery business to UPS, then we'll hear a caterwauling for sure.

Personally, I really dislike UPS.  Here in Austin they simply will 
leave a 12 thousand dollar package on your porch whether
a signature is required or not.  Either they just don't care or 
their drivers are intentionally ignoring it.


FED EX is, of course, quite good where speed is necessary.  But the 
insurance things with them is not applicable to film posters.  I've posted
about this in the past.  If you "insure" a film poster with FED EX 
and it gets lost, they are not required to pay you.  Because works of art,
collectibles, jewelry and furs are distinctly excepted from 
liability in their service manual.


Kirby
www.movieart.net




On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, David Kusumoto wrote:

I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right 
fiscally - yet I agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and 
others have said about how critical it is to preserve our 
beleaguered USPS.  Free markets cannot apply to a service that by 
law, goes EVERYWHERE.  Most people don't know the post office gets 
its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT tax 
dollars.  If the post office raised its first class rate for a 
one-ounce letter to $1, I would still pay it.  The idea that 
strangers in USPS uniforms will carry a letter for you for less 
than 50 cents - and deliver it to a rural location with a high 
degree of reliability - is amazing to me.


I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," 
slogan long associated with the USPS.  That's what the USPS is all 
about.  I've been all over the world and in terms of reliability of 
delivery, we've got one of the best postal systems anywhere.  This 
is corny but what Franc wrote about the USPS as part of our 
nation's heritage rings true for me.  I try my best to greet my 
postal carrier every day.  Just last week, in the black of night, a 
different carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a 
large box on her shoulder.  She had one of those those beamed LED 
lights attached to the front of her cap so she wouldn't fall.  She 
was late but determined to get through that day's deliveries that 
had turned quickly into night.  I assessed her situation in a few 
seconds and was in awe.  And the next day she no doubt went through 
the same thing all over again, elsewhere.



--
Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:31:22 -0800
From: sa...@comic-art.com
Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a 
business.  They were never intended to be a business.  They are a 
government service.  We still need them, despite

what some who worship the "free" markets think.

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[Kirby McDaniel]

David, et al

If a small tax were levied on email and text messages -- and it wouldn't have 
to be very large either - the revenues
could be used to support snail mail 6 days a week for everybody.  And it would 
help to control spam and frivolous email
as well.  

When J Crew, L.L. Bean, Williams-Sonoma, Lands End and all these other good 
folks have to hand off that catalog
delivery business to UPS, then we'll hear a caterwauling for sure.

Personally, I really dislike UPS.  Here in Austin they simply will leave a 12 
thousand dollar package on your porch whether
a signature is required or not.  Either they just don't care or their drivers 
are intentionally ignoring it.  

FED EX is, of course, quite good where speed is necessary.  But the insurance 
things with them is not applicable to film posters.  I've posted
about this in the past.  If you "insure" a film poster with FED EX and it gets 
lost, they are not required to pay you.  Because works of art, 
collectibles, jewelry and furs are distinctly excepted from liability in their 
service manual. 

Kirby
www.movieart.net

 


On Dec 12, 2011, at 3:20 PM, David Kusumoto wrote:

> I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right fiscally - yet 
> I agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and others have said about 
> how critical it is to preserve our beleaguered USPS.  Free markets cannot 
> apply to a service that by law, goes EVERYWHERE.  Most people don't know the 
> post office gets its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT 
> tax dollars.  If the post office raised its first class rate for a one-ounce 
> letter to $1, I would still pay it.  The idea that strangers in USPS uniforms 
> will carry a letter for you for less than 50 cents - and deliver it to a 
> rural location with a high degree of reliability - is amazing to me.  
> 
> I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan long 
> associated with the USPS.  That's what the USPS is all about.  I've been all 
> over the world and in terms of reliability of delivery, we've got one of the 
> best postal systems anywhere.  This is corny but what Franc wrote about the 
> USPS as part of our nation's heritage rings true for me.  I try my best to 
> greet my postal carrier every day.  Just last week, in the black of night, a 
> different carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a large box on 
> her shoulder.  She had one of those those beamed LED lights attached to the 
> front of her cap so she wouldn't fall.  She was late but determined to get 
> through that day's deliveries that had turned quickly into night.  I assessed 
> her situation in a few seconds and was in awe.  And the next day she no doubt 
> went through the same thing all over again, elsewhere.
> 
> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:31:22 -0800
> From: sa...@comic-art.com
> Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> 
> Kirby is so right about this:
> 
> 
> At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:
> 
> * Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a business.  
> They were never intended to be a business.  They are a government service.  
> We still need them, despite
> what some who worship the "free" markets think.
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[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

there is nothing off-topic about a business integral to happy mail 
ordering of movie posters


I don't care what they charge for a letter - I rarely send such mail, 
except for Holiday cards next week - but the concept that  I would 
have to ship via UPS, which is considerably more expensive than USPS, 
is a scary thought. Such a move could be the end of small business 
mail order in America



At 01:41 PM 12/12/2011, Steven Hill wrote:
I'm with you, David, in fact I've said the same thing to various 
people for years, about how incredible it is that we pay less than 
50 cents to hand someone an envelope and have them deliver it by 
hand a few days later anywhere else in the country.


People order pizzas and pay a delivery fee AND tip the driver a few 
dollars, essentially to save themselves a trip to the pizza place, 
but they balk at paying over 50 cents to have the postal service 
deliver their mail across the country. It's insane.


I wish the USPS would just raise first class postage to whatever 
amount would put them in the black. (And I think I read somewhere 
that all it would take would be $0.63 or something!)


(Sorry for contributing to the off topicness)

--
Steven Warren Hill shil...@sbcglobal.net shil...@yahoo.com



From: David Kusumoto 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Mon, December 12, 2011 3:20:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right 
fiscally - yet I agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and 
others have said about how critical it is to preserve our 
beleaguered USPS.  Free markets cannot apply to a service that by 
law, goes EVERYWHERE.  Most people don't know the post office gets 
its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT tax 
dollars.  If the post office raised its first class rate for a 
one-ounce letter to $1, I would still pay it.  The idea that 
strangers in USPS uniforms will carry a letter for you for less than 
50 cents - and deliver it to a rural location with a high degree of 
reliability - is amazing to me.


I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan 
long associated with the USPS.  That's what the USPS is all 
about.  I've been all over the world and in terms of reliability of 
delivery, we've got one of the best postal systems anywhere.  This 
is corny but what Franc wrote about the USPS as part of our nation's 
heritage rings true for me.  I try my best to greet my postal 
carrier every day.  Just last week, in the black of night, a 
different carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a large 
box on her shoulder.  She had one of those those beamed LED lights 
attached to the front of her cap so she wouldn't fall.  She was late 
but determined to get through that day's deliveries that had turned 
quickly into night.  I assessed her situation in a few seconds and 
was in awe.  And the next day she no doubt went through the same 
thing all over again, elsewhere.



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Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a 
business.  They were never intended to be a business.  They are a 
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Steven Hill]

I'm with you, David, in fact I've said the same thing to various people for 
years, about how incredible it is that we pay less than 50 cents to hand 
someone 
an envelope and have them deliver it by hand a few days later anywhere else in 
the country.

People order pizzas and pay a delivery fee AND tip the driver a few dollars, 
essentially to save themselves a trip to the pizza place, but they balk at 
paying over 50 cents to have the postal service deliver their mail across the 
country. It's insane.

I wish the USPS would just raise first class postage to whatever amount would 
put them in the black. (And I think I read somewhere that all it would take 
would be $0.63 or something!)

(Sorry for contributing to the off topicness)

 --
Steven Warren Hill shil...@sbcglobal.net shil...@yahoo.com





From: David Kusumoto 
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Sent: Mon, December 12, 2011 3:20:44 PM
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

 
I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right fiscally - yet I 
agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and others have said about how 
critical it is to preserve our beleaguered USPS.  Free markets cannot apply to 
a 
service that by law, goes EVERYWHERE.  Most people don't know the post office 
gets its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT tax dollars.  
If the post office raised its first class rate for a one-ounce letter to $1, I 
would still pay it.  The idea that strangers in USPS uniforms will carry a 
letter for you for less than 50 cents - and deliver it to a rural location with 
a high degree of reliability - is amazing to me.  


I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan long 
associated with the USPS.  That's what the USPS is all about.  I've been all 
over the world and in terms of reliability of delivery, we've got one of the 
best postal systems anywhere.  This is corny but what Franc wrote about the 
USPS 
as part of our nation's heritage rings true for me.  I try my best to greet my 
postal carrier every day.  Just last week, in the black of night, a different 
carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a large box on her shoulder. 
 
She had one of those those beamed LED lights attached to the front of her cap 
so 
she wouldn't fall.  She was late but determined to get through that day's 
deliveries that had turned quickly into night.  I assessed her situation in a 
few seconds and was in awe.  And the next day she no doubt went through the 
same 
thing all over again, elsewhere.




Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:31:22 -0800
From: sa...@comic-art.com
Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU

Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:


* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a business.  They 
were never intended to be a business.  They are a government service.  We still 
need them, despite
>what some who worship the "free" markets think.
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[David Kusumoto]

I'm a moderate conservative who swings left socially and right fiscally - yet I 
agree completely with what Kirby, Franc, Rich and others have said about how 
critical it is to preserve our beleaguered USPS.  Free markets cannot apply to 
a service that by law, goes EVERYWHERE.  Most people don't know the post office 
gets its revenue almost ENTIRELY through the sale of postage, NOT tax dollars.  
If the post office raised its first class rate for a one-ounce letter to $1, I 
would still pay it.  The idea that strangers in USPS uniforms will carry a 
letter for you for less than 50 cents - and deliver it to a rural location with 
a high degree of reliability - is amazing to me.  

I'm also a sucker for the "neither rain, nor sleet nor snow," slogan long 
associated with the USPS.  That's what the USPS is all about.  I've been all 
over the world and in terms of reliability of delivery, we've got one of the 
best postal systems anywhere.  This is corny but what Franc wrote about the 
USPS as part of our nation's heritage rings true for me.  I try my best to 
greet my postal carrier every day.  Just last week, in the black of night, a 
different carrier, a younger woman, came to my door carrying a large box on her 
shoulder.  She had one of those those beamed LED lights attached to the front 
of her cap so she wouldn't fall.  She was late but determined to get through 
that day's deliveries that had turned quickly into night.  I assessed her 
situation in a few seconds and was in awe.  And the next day she no doubt went 
through the same thing all over again, elsewhere.

Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2011 10:31:22 -0800
From: sa...@comic-art.com
Subject: Re: Another fleabay Moron
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU



Kirby is so right about this:




At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:


* Don't get me started on
this.  The postal services are NOT a business.  They were
never intended to be a business.  They are a government
service.  We still need them, despite

what some who worship the "free" markets
think.

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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

That's true but unlike USPS.com, stamps.com charges a monthly fee in
additional to the cost of postage. That's fine, if you get a lot of
foreign orders and need to avail yourself of this service but for one or
two foreign orders a month, it doesn't pay to do this, especially since
buyers like Helmut and lovenoir2 would object if you attempted to
amortized this fee in connection with the shipping fee for their orders.
FRANC

-Original Message-
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contarino
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 12:33 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron



Use stamps.com. you can ship First Class Int and get insurance and
tracking.

 

Peter Contarino

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:50 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

 

I'm basically on the same page with Franc on this.  Domestic shipping is
a breeze for now.  What happens if and when the FEDS hand over the Post
Office to UPS or

FED EX is anybody's guess.*  We use USPS for most shipment.
International shipping has gotten very expensive.  It not uncommon for
the dollar amount of the

shipping to outstrip the value of the poster.  Yet some international
buyers do not balk at paying the money.  Last winter we shipped some
posters to the UK during

the extreme inclimate weather by First Class Mail.  These items were
hung up for over two months.  Fortunately and finally, all of these
items but one finally arrived.

 

We go to our local post office every day, so we do not have the same
strictures as those who do business on USPS.com .

 

 

 

* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a business.
They were never intended to be a business.  They are a government
service.  We still need them, despite

what some who worship the "free" markets think.

 

Kirby McDaniel

www.movieart.net

 

 

On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Franc wrote:





Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com in
the US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a Certificate of Mailing
on-line in the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I believe Ebay or PayPal
will accept this as proof of shipment because they both insist on proof
of delivery. If a US seller ships Ebay sale items overseas the only
protection that the US seller will be offerred by Ebay and/or PayPal is
through Priority International which tracks delivery and is outrageously
expensive. It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England
by Priority International. I have to insist on it however for all
purchases over $150 in value in connection with buyers that I do not
know because I have been burned too often by foreign buyers who lie and
claim they did not receive my parcels when I have sent them by First
Class International Air Mail which does not provide tracking. One such
liar based in Italy named Giluvi even had the audacity to turn around
and sell the items he claims not to have received from me on Ebay and
Ebay would do nothing about it. So Ebay sellers are nopt trying to cheat
you when they insist on Priority International Postage. They are only
trying to protect themselves from frauds. FRANC

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Helmut Hamm
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:16 AM
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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

Rich,

 

frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I
could post here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of eBay
sellers feel entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping international,
sometimes even more. 

 

If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg
about 50% of my eBay sellers.

 

And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping
International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If you
buy First Class Mail International postage online, you can purchase a
Certificate of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way you have a proof
of shipping for Paypal, and everybody could be happy. But no, I HAS to
be Priority Mail.

 

Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First
Class, yet I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 and
more for Priority Mail. How does an $18 overcharge sound to you?

 

Add the fact, that ANYTHING shipped Priority Mail is inevitably stopped
by customs these days, regardless of declared value. So evertime this
happens, I go on a three-hour round-trip to pick the darn thing up.

 

How's THAT compared to your $5 loss?

 

Cheers,

 

Helmut

 

 

Am 11.12.2011 um 21:44 schrieb Richard Halegua Comic Art:





so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

Well put, Richard. FRANC

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Franc

people don't realize that the USPS is an integral part of our nations
history and that it was created as a vehicle to promote economic
benefit. For more than 150 years, Postmaster General was a Cabinet level
position (eliminated in the 1970s)
The original purpose of the USPS was to provide a way for newspapers,
magazines and advertising to reach consumers, which in turn created an
economic engine. This is still the purpose of the USPS. 70% of all
revenues come from bulk and commercial mailings (yeah that junkmail).
However, if we eliminate the USPS, the cost of shipping packages are
much higher with UPS and Fed-X and I have no doubt that it would kill my
business and other mail-order sales.

we need it and anyone who says otherwise is simply uninformed


At 11:42 AM 12/12/2011, Franc wrote:


Of course we need the post office. No commercial service would take on
daily letter delivery and certainly not at a cost of $.44 a letter. This
free market BS is just that. FRANC


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<mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU> ] On Behalf Of Richard Halegua
Posters + Comic Art


Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:31 PM


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Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron



Kirby is so right about this:




At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:




* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a business.
They were never intended to be a business.  They are a government
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[Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art]

Franc

people don't realize that the USPS is an integral part of our nations 
history and that it was created as a vehicle to promote economic 
benefit. For more than 150 years, Postmaster General was a Cabinet 
level position (eliminated in the 1970s)
The original purpose of the USPS was to provide a way for newspapers, 
magazines and advertising to reach consumers, which in turn created 
an economic engine. This is still the purpose of the USPS. 70% of all 
revenues come from bulk and commercial mailings (yeah that junkmail). 
However, if we eliminate the USPS, the cost of shipping packages are 
much higher with UPS and Fed-X and I have no doubt that it would kill 
my business and other mail-order sales.


we need it and anyone who says otherwise is simply uninformed


At 11:42 AM 12/12/2011, Franc wrote:
Of course we need the post office. No commercial service would take 
on daily letter delivery and certainly not at a cost of $.44 a 
letter. This free market BS is just that. FRANC

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Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art

Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 1:31 PM
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Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a 
business.  They were never intended to be a business.  They are a 
government service.  We still need them, despite

what some who worship the "free" markets think.

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[Franc]

Sellers are not supposed to make money on shipping but postal fees are
not the only cost of shipping. There is also the cost of packing
materials and in some cases labor. Now if one ships in a flimsy manner
to keep costs to a minimum, package materials cost virtually nothing but
if one packages securely there is an expense for mailers or boxes and
cardboards that have to be calculated in estimating the cost of
shipping. Bruce used to have a nice page explaining to the uninformed
what goes into "handling".  FRANC

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Helmut Hamm
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 2:07 PM
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I also agree with Kirby on this, but I go one step further: In my humble
opinion, SHIPPING COSTS are not supposed to be a source of extra
revenue. They are supposed to be a CUSTOMER SERVICE, and should be
calculated as such. 

Helmut



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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art]

Nor can one buy a Certificate of Mailing on-line from USPS. I'm not 
even sure if you can buy one in a post office.


you can indeed get a slip that the USPS rubber stamps for this service

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[Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art]

in our case, we don't send the refunds anymore - we let you know you 
have a credit.
it's more time consuming to send the refunds and all buyers do not 
use Paypal (some actually do send checks)



At 11:14 AM 12/12/2011, Bruce Hershenson wrote:
I pay an employee to review all 500 orders we send each week, and we 
refund anyone who paid more than $1 over the cost of shipping plus 
$3 for packaging supplies and third party insurance. We send lots of 
$2 and $3 refunds (plus lots more to people who pay multiple 
shipping charges on stuff that can be combined).


I figure this is far more effective advertising than buying splashy 
ads and printing elaborate catalogs.


Bruce

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Helmut Hamm 
<texasmu...@web.de> wrote:
I also agree with Kirby on this, but I go one step further: In my 
humble opinion, SHIPPING COSTS are not supposed to be a source of 
extra revenue. They are supposed to be a CUSTOMER SERVICE, and 
should be calculated as such.


Helmut



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[Franc]

And you have no idea what you're talking about, since I made not one
penny on the shipment to the UK. FRANC

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Well said, Helmut, and your examples of what it has cost you to both
ship and receive items to Germany certainly shows that the high shipping
prices, discussed by others, DO NOT need to be charged to clients.

It's simply another way for sellers to line their pockets with
additional cash, especially when no secondary, cheaper shipping methods
are offered.

40.00 to mail a single lobby card to the UK?? THAT is absurd and beyond
unwarranted.

It's no different than the seller in Canada who charges a flat 25.00
(even to the US) to mail what could potentially be a  folded, 99 cent
poster. Outrageous.

-KL





On 12/12/11, Helmut Hamm  wrote:
>> Last winter we shipped some posters to the UK during
>> the extreme inclimate weather by First Class Mail.  These items were 
>> hung up for over two months.
>
> Dear Kirby and Freeman,
>
> within the last month, I received a significant number of packages 
> sent First Class, not a single one took longer than two weeks, some 
> got here within less than ten days, all of them were delivered 
> straight to my mailbox.
>
> USPS claims that Priority Mail takes about 7-10 days or so. In my 
> experience, this is NONSENSE: I had TWO packages shipped Priority Mail
> recently: The first one shipped a full month ago and I just got notice

> from customs that I can pick it up, so I'm going to waste half a work 
> day on that one. (And we're talking about a value of merely US-$50 
> here.) The other package was apparently shipped mid-November, no trace

> of it so far and as it seems, the seller has lost the tracking number.

> I do not doubt that he shipped it, but it's been a month and it's no 
> here yet. If agreed upfront, and if I feel confident about the seller,

> I'm perfectly happy to cover the risk of an actual loss. With this 
> seller, I would have been happy to do so in this case, all I would 
> have requested is postage at actual cost and the said Certificate of 
> Mailing, and he wouldn't have any worries. On the other hand, when I'm

> made to pay for Priority and the seller can't show the tracking 
> number, I will obviously file a Paypal claim, if my order has not 
> arrived after a month.
>
> In over 15 years of mail order business, I think I had less than 10 
> items that were actually lost in the mail system, and that counts for 
> both incoming AND outgoing mail. I lost a lot more money to sellers 
> who never actually shipped my order.
>
> To each his own, but as I said before, in my personal every-day 
> experience, Priority Mail holds NO advantage for me, it costs a lot of

> my money AND my time through the now inevitable customs hassle, so 
> unless I'm really crazy about something and/or it's an irresistible 
> deal, I more and more avoid sellers who are unwilling to work with me 
> on this.
>
> Helmut
>
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[Franc]

Of course we need the post office. No commercial service would take on
daily letter delivery and certainly not at a cost of $.44 a letter. This
free market BS is just that. FRANC

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Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:



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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

 Helmut ---  I  just shipped a lobby by Priority International. It
weighed 1.9 oz with my packaging and it required additional insurance.
That's why it cost $40. There was no overcharge and you shouldn't
insinuate there was. There's no reason to be so nasty on a forum in
which we are exchanging information.  FRANC
 
 From: Helmut Hamm [mailto:texasmu...@web.de] 
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Franc,

you're saying


It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority
International. 


Since you're a professional, I figure you should know what you're
talking about here... Yet, for mere curiosity's sake, I just checked the
actual cost on usps.com: I assumed a weight of one pound, which we both
know is ample for a single lobby card, and I further assumed the package
cannot bent easily. If purchased online, the actual cost is $28.03,
$29.50 at the post office counter so that would be an overcharge of
$11.97, respectively $10.50.

Now, when Rich (rightfully) complained about an overcharge of a mere $5
you gave the following advice:

 I recommend you leave him a negative feedback and explain why in the
comments and report him to Ebay for charging excessive postage. He's an
idiot. FRANC

Cheers,

Helmut


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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

I don't know if you've ever tried to place a claim with Ebay or PayPal.
I have. I had a Customs Tracking number and a postal receipt for
International AirMail. Ebay and PayPal would not accept it and insisted
on proof of delivery. You can't buy postage on-line from USPS.com for
International First Class, only Priority or Express Mail. Nor can one
buy a Certificate of Mailing on-line from USPS. I'm not even sure if you
can buy one in a post office. Hence some buyers like myself insist on
using Priority International, even though we realize it will cut into
our sales because of the exorbinant postal fees. FRANC

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Franc,

here's a copy of the actual Paypal regulations:

4. Proof of shipment. 

4.1. General. The payment recipient proofs the shipment of an item by
providing an online tracking number of an independent shipping service
or a shipping receipt issued by an independent shipping service, which
may be uploaded via the PayPal website. In certain cases, providing an
online tracking number will not suffice, so the payment recipient will
be requested to provide a shipping receipt.

They want a proof of SHIPMENT, not a proof of delivery, so the
Certificate of Mailing should absolutely suffice.

About buying postage online: If I can do it from here, anyone in the US
should be able to do it as well. You CAN buy the appropriate postage on
the USPS website, but there is one restriction: If your package is 13 oz
or more, for so-called 'security reasons' it has to be presented at the
post office. (Seeing this restriction makes me once again wonder,
whatever happened to the 'land of the free and the home of the brave'
but that's a different topic, and it certainly does not belong here.)

As you know, I'm also a dealer, and I STILL charge about $10 for a
folded poster to any destination worldwide, which barely covers my costs
for postage and packing and includes a tracking number. I usually cover
transport insurance from my end (through my gallery policy). I consider
this part of the costs of doing business, and I DO NOT make my buyers
pay for it, regardless actual value. 

Quite frankly, I FREQUENTLY receive well packed, sometimes expensive
lobby cards, well packed, with First Class Mail at a postage cost of
under $12. 
Whenever I see a postage quote of $40 or the like on eBay, I usually
don't even bother to bid.

Cheers,

Helmut


Am 12.12.2011 um 16:10 schrieb Franc:


Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com in
the US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a Certificate of Mailing
on-line in the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I believe Ebay or PayPal
will accept this as proof of shipment because they both insist on proof
of delivery. If a US seller ships Ebay sale items overseas the only
protection that the US seller will be offerred by Ebay and/or PayPal is
through Priority International which tracks delivery and is outrageously
expensive. It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England
by Priority International. I have to insist on it however for all
purchases over $150 in value in connection with buyers that I do not
know because I have been burned too often by foreign buyers who lie and
claim they did not receive my parcels when I have sent them by First
Class International Air Mail which does not provide tracking. One such
liar based in Italy named Giluvi even had the audacity to turn around
and sell the items he claims not to have received from me on Ebay and
Ebay would do nothing about it. So Ebay sellers are nopt trying to cheat
you when they insist on Priority International Postage. They are only
trying to protect themselves from frauds. FRANC

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Rich,

frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I
could post here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of eBay
sellers feel entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping international,
sometimes even more. 

If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg
about 50% of my eBay sellers.

And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping
International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If you
buy First Class Mail International postage online, you can purchase a
Certificate of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way you have a proof
of shipping for Paypal, and everybody could be happy. But no, I HAS to
be Priority Mail.

Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First
Class, yet I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 and

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Bruce Hershenson]

I pay an employee to review all 500 orders we send each week, and we refund
anyone who paid more than $1 over the cost of shipping plus $3 for
packaging supplies and third party insurance. We send lots of $2 and $3
refunds (plus lots more to people who pay multiple shipping charges on
stuff that can be combined).

I figure this is far more effective advertising than buying splashy ads and
printing elaborate catalogs.

Bruce

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 1:06 PM, Helmut Hamm  wrote:

> I also agree with Kirby on this, but I go one step further: In my humble
> opinion, SHIPPING COSTS are not supposed to be a source of extra revenue.
> They are supposed to be a CUSTOMER SERVICE, and should be calculated as
> such.
>
> Helmut
>
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art]

you are 100% correct Helmut, that dealers are not meant to profit 
from shipping/packaging costs

I can't sell you something if I can't ship it to you
if I'm not going to be happy with the price I get for what I sell 
you, then I should start it higher, where I will be happy


of course, in my case, as all MoviePosterBid.com bidders know - I'm 
happy with whatever I get for any particular item, even when 
something sells for just 99 cents, but to a tee, almost every fleaBay 
seller whom I have this gripe with loves to add "what a great price 
the item is even with the extra charge"


it's the same as stealing, he's picking my pocket



At 11:06 AM 12/12/2011, Helmut Hamm wrote:
I also agree with Kirby on this, but I go one step further: In my 
humble opinion, SHIPPING COSTS are not supposed to be a source of 
extra revenue. They are supposed to be a CUSTOMER SERVICE, and 
should be calculated as such.


Helmut


Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a 
business.  They were never intended to be a business.  They are a 
government service.  We still need them, despite

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I also agree with Kirby on this, but I go one step further: In my humble 
opinion, SHIPPING COSTS are not supposed to be a source of extra revenue. They 
are supposed to be a CUSTOMER SERVICE, and should be calculated as such.

Helmut

> Kirby is so right about this:
> 
> 
> At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:
> 
>> * Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a business.  
>> They were never intended to be a business.  They are a government service.  
>> We still need them, despite
>> what some who worship the "free" markets think.
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Richard Halegua Posters + Comic Art]

Helmut, it isn't just about the $5, the facts are that his ebay page 
flatly misrepresents what was supposed to happen, that my package was 
going to be shipped by Priority Mail, for $8. It was not


You know me too well to think that I would do the same thing and you 
may or may not know that my secretary Anna regularly lets buyers know 
if the postage money they sent to get their items shipped was too 
much, and they therefore have a credit of some nature.

She keeps a list by her desk to reference.

my fees for shipping do include a small amount - maybe a couple bucks 
- to cover supplies used & a tiny bit for labor and I allowed the 
fleaBay jackass something for that, but I do not charge anyone $5 to 
put the package in my car & drive over to the post office. Also, I 
think many people will agree, that this is happening too much now on 
these jackass fleaBay sellers AND it is strictly prohibited by the 
fleaBay rules. I did file a report, but the time involved in trying 
to find the right complaint forms at ebay is ridiculous and to be 
honest, fleaBay does something that goes against a potential buyer 
seeing a true feedback rating for the sellers because they drop off 
ratings over 12 months old, and if you go into the guy's feedback 
file, you can see he has a few complaints about just this issue, but 
they were more than 12 months old (one just barely) so his feedback 
is 100%, giving buyers a false sense that he is a good seller.


the good news for buyers following me? this donkey only has one 
feedback comment for the past 12 months (maybe he was staying off 
with the lowered rating?) and so when I neg him, he'll be at 50% and 
the likelihood he will be selling anything to anyone with a 50% 
rating is pretty close to zero and that is EXACTLY WHAT FEEDBACK IS 
FOR - to warn other potential buyers that the seller is a complete 
and utter moron who cannot be trusted


Rich


At 04:16 AM 12/12/2011, Helmut Hamm wrote:

Rich,

frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I 
could post here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of 
eBay sellers feel entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping 
international, sometimes even more.


If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg 
about 50% of my eBay sellers.


And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping 
International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If 
you buy First Class Mail International postage online, you can 
purchase a Certificate of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way 
you have a proof of shipping for Paypal, and everybody could be 
happy. But no, I HAS to be Priority Mail.


Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First 
Class, yet I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 
and more for Priority Mail. How does an $18 overcharge sound to you?


Add the fact, that ANYTHING shipped Priority Mail is inevitably 
stopped by customs these days, regardless of declared value. So 
evertime this happens, I go on a three-hour round-trip to pick the 
darn thing up.


How's THAT compared to your $5 loss?

Cheers,

Helmut


Am 11.12.2011 um 21:44 schrieb Richard Halegua Comic Art:


so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865

his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped 
Priority Mail


Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the 
card got here undamaged


however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st 
Class for $1.68.


so I send him a message:
Buzz
two things
#1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo 
don't use some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
#2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it 
first class for $1.68

I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine

his response:
Hello:

The shipping is for postage and handling and it was sent expedited. 
I do not refund postage. thank you.

Buzz
---
so I say it is yet another fleaBay MORON getting a neg

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Kirby is so right about this:


At 08:49 AM 12/12/2011, Kirby McDaniel wrote:

* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a 
business.  They were never intended to be a business.  They are a 
government service.  We still need them, despite

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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Freeman Fisher]

Helmut,
To Germany and England, for me to send a lobby card or a folded one sheet, it 
is always $33 to $36, priority mail. I think Franc was just rounding.  That 
said, one has to go to the Post Office counter to ship overseas, a rule that 
has everything to do with post 9/11 security. 

The cheaper rates you are seeing are possibly those rates for the standardized 
pre-printed Priority Mail boxes that one acquires from the post office.  But 
those boxes do not safely ship a valuable lobby card..they are just a 
couple of inches short of adequate protection from the gorillas handling 
between here and there.  And don't get me started on those people who simply 
leave said boxes flattened and ship a valuable piece sandwiched in between two 
of them just to save money on cardboard. 

Also in response to others, I have absolutely NOT  had luck with timely 
delivery overseas via first class.  I have tried several times with an 
inexpensive photo, lobby or Belgium poster and almost always its an extended 
snails pace which ultimately results in distressed emails inquiring as to the 
arrival of their purchase.   Believe me this is about satisfying the customer 
in getting their treasures to them in a timely fashion and not just to spend 
more of their money trying to keep the Post Office afloat.

fwf


On Dec 12, 2011, at 10:07 AM, Helmut Hamm wrote:

> Franc,
> 
> you're saying
> 
>> It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority 
>> International. 
> 
> Since you're a professional, I figure you should know what you're talking 
> about here... Yet, for mere curiosity's sake, I just checked the actual cost 
> on usps.com: I assumed a weight of one pound, which we both know is ample for 
> a single lobby card, and I further assumed the package cannot bent easily. If 
> purchased online, the actual cost is $28.03, $29.50 at the post office 
> counter so that would be an overcharge of $11.97, respectively $10.50.
> 
> Now, when Rich (rightfully) complained about an overcharge of a mere $5 you 
> gave the following advice:
> 
>  I recommend you leave him a negative feedback and explain why in the 
> comments and report him to Ebay for charging excessive postage. He's an 
> idiot. FRANC
> 
> Cheers,
> 
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[lovenoir2]

Well said, Helmut, and your examples of what it has cost you to both
ship and receive items to Germany certainly shows that the high
shipping prices, discussed by others, DO NOT need to be charged to
clients.

It's simply another way for sellers to line their pockets with
additional cash, especially when no secondary, cheaper shipping
methods are offered.

40.00 to mail a single lobby card to the UK?? THAT is absurd and
beyond unwarranted.

It's no different than the seller in Canada who charges a flat 25.00
(even to the US) to mail what could potentially be a  folded, 99 cent
poster. Outrageous.

-KL





On 12/12/11, Helmut Hamm  wrote:
>> Last winter we shipped some posters to the UK during
>> the extreme inclimate weather by First Class Mail.  These items were hung
>> up for over two months.
>
> Dear Kirby and Freeman,
>
> within the last month, I received a significant number of packages sent
> First Class, not a single one took longer than two weeks, some got here
> within less than ten days, all of them were delivered straight to my
> mailbox.
>
> USPS claims that Priority Mail takes about 7-10 days or so. In my
> experience, this is NONSENSE: I had TWO packages shipped Priority Mail
> recently: The first one shipped a full month ago and I just got notice from
> customs that I can pick it up, so I'm going to waste half a work day on that
> one. (And we're talking about a value of merely US-$50 here.)
> The other package was apparently shipped mid-November, no trace of it so far
> and as it seems, the seller has lost the tracking number. I do not doubt
> that he shipped it, but it's been a month and it's no here yet.
> If agreed upfront, and if I feel confident about the seller, I'm perfectly
> happy to cover the risk of an actual loss. With this seller, I would have
> been happy to do so in this case, all I would have requested is postage at
> actual cost and the said Certificate of Mailing, and he wouldn't have any
> worries.
> On the other hand, when I'm made to pay for Priority and the seller can't
> show the tracking number, I will obviously file a Paypal claim, if my order
> has not arrived after a month.
>
> In over 15 years of mail order business, I think I had less than 10 items
> that were actually lost in the mail system, and that counts for both
> incoming AND outgoing mail. I lost a lot more money to sellers who never
> actually shipped my order.
>
> To each his own, but as I said before, in my personal every-day experience,
> Priority Mail holds NO advantage for me, it costs a lot of my money AND my
> time through the now inevitable customs hassle, so unless I'm really crazy
> about something and/or it's an irresistible deal, I more and more avoid
> sellers who are unwilling to work with me on this.
>
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

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Franc,

you're saying

> It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority 
> International. 

Since you're a professional, I figure you should know what you're talking about 
here... Yet, for mere curiosity's sake, I just checked the actual cost on 
usps.com: I assumed a weight of one pound, which we both know is ample for a 
single lobby card, and I further assumed the package cannot bent easily. If 
purchased online, the actual cost is $28.03, $29.50 at the post office counter 
so that would be an overcharge of $11.97, respectively $10.50.

Now, when Rich (rightfully) complained about an overcharge of a mere $5 you 
gave the following advice:

 I recommend you leave him a negative feedback and explain why in the comments 
and report him to Ebay for charging excessive postage. He's an idiot. FRANC

Cheers,

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[Helmut Hamm]

> Last winter we shipped some posters to the UK during
> the extreme inclimate weather by First Class Mail.  These items were hung up 
> for over two months.  

Dear Kirby and Freeman,

within the last month, I received a significant number of packages sent First 
Class, not a single one took longer than two weeks, some got here within less 
than ten days, all of them were delivered straight to my mailbox. 

USPS claims that Priority Mail takes about 7-10 days or so. In my experience, 
this is NONSENSE: I had TWO packages shipped Priority Mail recently: The first 
one shipped a full month ago and I just got notice from customs that I can pick 
it up, so I'm going to waste half a work day on that one. (And we're talking 
about a value of merely US-$50 here.)
The other package was apparently shipped mid-November, no trace of it so far 
and as it seems, the seller has lost the tracking number. I do not doubt that 
he shipped it, but it's been a month and it's no here yet. 
If agreed upfront, and if I feel confident about the seller, I'm perfectly 
happy to cover the risk of an actual loss. With this seller, I would have been 
happy to do so in this case, all I would have requested is postage at actual 
cost and the said Certificate of Mailing, and he wouldn't have any worries. 
On the other hand, when I'm made to pay for Priority and the seller can't show 
the tracking number, I will obviously file a Paypal claim, if my order has not 
arrived after a month.

In over 15 years of mail order business, I think I had less than 10 items that 
were actually lost in the mail system, and that counts for both incoming AND 
outgoing mail. I lost a lot more money to sellers who never actually shipped my 
order.

To each his own, but as I said before, in my personal every-day experience, 
Priority Mail holds NO advantage for me, it costs a lot of my money AND my time 
through the now inevitable customs hassle, so unless I'm really crazy about 
something and/or it's an irresistible deal, I more and more avoid sellers who 
are unwilling to work with me on this.

Helmut


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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[peter contarino]

Use stamps.com. you can ship First Class Int and get insurance and tracking.

 

Peter Contarino

 

From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Kirby
McDaniel
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 11:50 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

 

I'm basically on the same page with Franc on this.  Domestic shipping is a
breeze for now.  What happens if and when the FEDS hand over the Post Office
to UPS or

FED EX is anybody's guess.*  We use USPS for most shipment.  International
shipping has gotten very expensive.  It not uncommon for the dollar amount
of the

shipping to outstrip the value of the poster.  Yet some international buyers
do not balk at paying the money.  Last winter we shipped some posters to the
UK during

the extreme inclimate weather by First Class Mail.  These items were hung up
for over two months.  Fortunately and finally, all of these items but one
finally arrived.

 

We go to our local post office every day, so we do not have the same
strictures as those who do business on USPS.com .

 

 

 

* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a business.
They were never intended to be a business.  They are a government service.
We still need them, despite

what some who worship the "free" markets think.

 

Kirby McDaniel

www.movieart.net

 

 

On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Franc wrote:





Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com in the
US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a Certificate of Mailing on-line
in the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I believe Ebay or PayPal will accept
this as proof of shipment because they both insist on proof of delivery. If
a US seller ships Ebay sale items overseas the only protection that the US
seller will be offerred by Ebay and/or PayPal is through Priority
International which tracks delivery and is outrageously expensive. It costs
almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority
International. I have to insist on it however for all purchases over $150 in
value in connection with buyers that I do not know because I have been
burned too often by foreign buyers who lie and claim they did not receive my
parcels when I have sent them by First Class International Air Mail which
does not provide tracking. One such liar based in Italy named Giluvi even
had the audacity to turn around and sell the items he claims not to have
received from me on Ebay and Ebay would do nothing about it. So Ebay sellers
are nopt trying to cheat you when they insist on Priority International
Postage. They are only trying to protect themselves from frauds. FRANC

-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Helmut
Hamm
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:16 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

Rich,

 

frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I could
post here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of eBay sellers
feel entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping international, sometimes
even more. 

 

If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg about
50% of my eBay sellers.

 

And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping
International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If you buy
First Class Mail International postage online, you can purchase a
Certificate of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way you have a proof of
shipping for Paypal, and everybody could be happy. But no, I HAS to be
Priority Mail.

 

Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First Class,
yet I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 and more for
Priority Mail. How does an $18 overcharge sound to you?

 

Add the fact, that ANYTHING shipped Priority Mail is inevitably stopped by
customs these days, regardless of declared value. So evertime this happens,
I go on a three-hour round-trip to pick the darn thing up.

 

How's THAT compared to your $5 loss?

 

Cheers,

 

Helmut

 

 

Am 11.12.2011 um 21:44 schrieb Richard Halegua Comic Art:





so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865>
&item=320802002865 

his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped Priority
Mail

Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the card got
here undamaged

however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st Class
for $1.68.

so I send him a message:
Buzz
two things
#1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo don't use
some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
#2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it first
class for $1.68
I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine

his 

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Kirby McDaniel]

I'm basically on the same page with Franc on this.  Domestic shipping is a 
breeze for now.  What happens if and when the FEDS hand over the Post Office to 
UPS or
FED EX is anybody's guess.*  We use USPS for most shipment.  International 
shipping has gotten very expensive.  It not uncommon for the dollar amount of 
the
shipping to outstrip the value of the poster.  Yet some international buyers do 
not balk at paying the money.  Last winter we shipped some posters to the UK 
during
the extreme inclimate weather by First Class Mail.  These items were hung up 
for over two months.  Fortunately and finally, all of these items but one 
finally arrived.

We go to our local post office every day, so we do not have the same strictures 
as those who do business on USPS.com .



* Don't get me started on this.  The postal services are NOT a business.  They 
were never intended to be a business.  They are a government service.  We still 
need them, despite
what some who worship the "free" markets think.

Kirby McDaniel
www.movieart.net


On Dec 12, 2011, at 9:10 AM, Franc wrote:

> Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com in the 
> US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a Certificate of Mailing on-line in 
> the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I believe Ebay or PayPal will accept this 
> as proof of shipment because they both insist on proof of delivery. If a US 
> seller ships Ebay sale items overseas the only protection that the US seller 
> will be offerred by Ebay and/or PayPal is through Priority International 
> which tracks delivery and is outrageously expensive. It costs almost $40 to 
> ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority International. I have to 
> insist on it however for all purchases over $150 in value in connection with 
> buyers that I do not know because I have been burned too often by foreign 
> buyers who lie and claim they did not receive my parcels when I have sent 
> them by First Class International Air Mail which does not provide tracking. 
> One such liar based in Italy named Giluvi even had the audacity to turn 
> around and sell the items he claims not to have received from me on Ebay and 
> Ebay would do nothing about it. So Ebay sellers are nopt trying to cheat you 
> when they insist on Priority International Postage. They are only trying to 
> protect themselves from frauds. FRANC
> -Original Message-
> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Helmut Hamm
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:16 AM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
> 
> Rich,
> 
> frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I could 
> post here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of eBay sellers 
> feel entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping international, sometimes 
> even more. 
> 
> If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg about 50% 
> of my eBay sellers.
> 
> And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping 
> International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If you buy 
> First Class Mail International postage online, you can purchase a Certificate 
> of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way you have a proof of shipping for 
> Paypal, and everybody could be happy. But no, I HAS to be Priority Mail.
> 
> Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First Class, 
> yet I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 and more for 
> Priority Mail. How does an $18 overcharge sound to you?
> 
> Add the fact, that ANYTHING shipped Priority Mail is inevitably stopped by 
> customs these days, regardless of declared value. So evertime this happens, I 
> go on a three-hour round-trip to pick the darn thing up.
> 
> How's THAT compared to your $5 loss?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Helmut
> 
> 
> Am 11.12.2011 um 21:44 schrieb Richard Halegua Comic Art:
> 
>> so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865 
>> 
>> his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped Priority 
>> Mail
>> 
>> Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the card got 
>> here undamaged
>> 
>> however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st Class 
>> for $1.68.
>> 
>> so I send him a message:
>> Buzz
>> two things
>> #1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo don't use 
>> some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
>> #2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it first 
>> class for $1.6

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Helmut Hamm]

Franc,

here's a copy of the actual Paypal regulations:

4. Proof of shipment.
4.1. General. The payment recipient proofs the shipment of an item by providing 
an online tracking number of an independent shipping service or a shipping 
receipt issued by an independent shipping service, which may be uploaded via 
the PayPal website. In certain cases, providing an online tracking number will 
not suffice, so the payment recipient will be requested to provide a shipping 
receipt.

They want a proof of SHIPMENT, not a proof of delivery, so the Certificate of 
Mailing should absolutely suffice.

About buying postage online: If I can do it from here, anyone in the US should 
be able to do it as well. You CAN buy the appropriate postage on the USPS 
website, but there is one restriction: If your package is 13 oz or more, for 
so-called 'security reasons' it has to be presented at the post office. (Seeing 
this restriction makes me once again wonder, whatever happened to the 'land of 
the free and the home of the brave' but that's a different topic, and it 
certainly does not belong here.)

As you know, I'm also a dealer, and I STILL charge about $10 for a folded 
poster to any destination worldwide, which barely covers my costs for postage 
and packing and includes a tracking number. I usually cover transport insurance 
from my end (through my gallery policy). I consider this part of the costs of 
doing business, and I DO NOT make my buyers pay for it, regardless actual 
value. 

Quite frankly, I FREQUENTLY receive well packed, sometimes expensive lobby 
cards, well packed, with First Class Mail at a postage cost of under $12. 
Whenever I see a postage quote of $40 or the like on eBay, I usually don't even 
bother to bid.

Cheers,

Helmut


Am 12.12.2011 um 16:10 schrieb Franc:

> Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com in the 
> US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a Certificate of Mailing on-line in 
> the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I believe Ebay or PayPal will accept this 
> as proof of shipment because they both insist on proof of delivery. If a US 
> seller ships Ebay sale items overseas the only protection that the US seller 
> will be offerred by Ebay and/or PayPal is through Priority International 
> which tracks delivery and is outrageously expensive. It costs almost $40 to 
> ship a lobby card from NY to England by Priority International. I have to 
> insist on it however for all purchases over $150 in value in connection with 
> buyers that I do not know because I have been burned too often by foreign 
> buyers who lie and claim they did not receive my parcels when I have sent 
> them by First Class International Air Mail which does not provide tracking. 
> One such liar based in Italy named Giluvi even had the audacity to turn 
> around and sell the items he claims not to have received from me on Ebay and 
> Ebay would do nothing about it. So Ebay sellers are nopt trying to cheat you 
> when they insist on Priority International Postage. They are only trying to 
> protect themselves from frauds. FRANC
> -Original Message-
> From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of Helmut Hamm
> Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:16 AM
> To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
> Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
> 
> Rich,
> 
> frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I could 
> post here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of eBay sellers 
> feel entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping international, sometimes 
> even more. 
> 
> If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg about 50% 
> of my eBay sellers.
> 
> And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping 
> International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If you buy 
> First Class Mail International postage online, you can purchase a Certificate 
> of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way you have a proof of shipping for 
> Paypal, and everybody could be happy. But no, I HAS to be Priority Mail.
> 
> Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First Class, 
> yet I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 and more for 
> Priority Mail. How does an $18 overcharge sound to you?
> 
> Add the fact, that ANYTHING shipped Priority Mail is inevitably stopped by 
> customs these days, regardless of declared value. So evertime this happens, I 
> go on a three-hour round-trip to pick the darn thing up.
> 
> How's THAT compared to your $5 loss?
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Helmut
> 
> 
> Am 11.12.2011 um 21:44 schrieb Richard Halegua Comic Art:
> 
>> so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay
>> 
>> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eB

Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

Helmut  You can not pay for  First Class Mail on-line at USPS.com in
the US and to my knowledge you also can't buy a Certificate of Mailing
on-line in the US as proof of shipment. Nor so I believe Ebay or PayPal
will accept this as proof of shipment because they both insist on proof
of delivery. If a US seller ships Ebay sale items overseas the only
protection that the US seller will be offerred by Ebay and/or PayPal is
through Priority International which tracks delivery and is outrageously
expensive. It costs almost $40 to ship a lobby card from NY to England
by Priority International. I have to insist on it however for all
purchases over $150 in value in connection with buyers that I do not
know because I have been burned too often by foreign buyers who lie and
claim they did not receive my parcels when I have sent them by First
Class International Air Mail which does not provide tracking. One such
liar based in Italy named Giluvi even had the audacity to turn around
and sell the items he claims not to have received from me on Ebay and
Ebay would do nothing about it. So Ebay sellers are nopt trying to cheat
you when they insist on Priority International Postage. They are only
trying to protect themselves from frauds. FRANC

-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of
Helmut Hamm
Sent: Monday, December 12, 2011 7:16 AM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron


Rich,

frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I
could post here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of eBay
sellers feel entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping international,
sometimes even more. 

If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg
about 50% of my eBay sellers.

And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping
International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If you
buy First Class Mail International postage online, you can purchase a
Certificate of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way you have a proof
of shipping for Paypal, and everybody could be happy. But no, I HAS to
be Priority Mail.

Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First
Class, yet I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 and
more for Priority Mail. How does an $18 overcharge sound to you?

Add the fact, that ANYTHING shipped Priority Mail is inevitably stopped
by customs these days, regardless of declared value. So evertime this
happens, I go on a three-hour round-trip to pick the darn thing up.

How's THAT compared to your $5 loss?

Cheers,

Helmut


Am 11.12.2011 um 21:44 schrieb Richard Halegua Comic Art:


so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem
<http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865>
&item=320802002865 

his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped
Priority Mail

Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the card
got here undamaged

however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st
Class for $1.68.

so I send him a message:
Buzz
two things
#1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo don't
use some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
#2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it
first class for $1.68
I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine

his response:
Hello:

The shipping is for postage and handling and it was sent expedited. I do
not refund postage. thank you.
Buzz
---
so I say it is yet another fleaBay MORON getting a neg


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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Helmut Hamm]

Rich,

frankly, if I were to complain about a $5 overcharge in shipping, I could post 
here every other day. For some reason, a vast number of eBay sellers feel 
entitled for a $5 to $10 extra for shipping international, sometimes even more. 

If I were to leave negative feedback for this, I would probably neg about 50% 
of my eBay sellers.

And don't even get me started on the people who insist of shipping 
International Priority, which has NO advantage for me whatever. If you buy 
First Class Mail International postage online, you can purchase a Certificate 
of Mailing for a mere $1.15 or so. This way you have a proof of shipping for 
Paypal, and everybody could be happy. But no, I HAS to be Priority Mail.

Almost anything I buy can be shipped for no more than $12 with First Class, yet 
I constantly find myself confronted with guys asking $30 and more for Priority 
Mail. How does an $18 overcharge sound to you?

Add the fact, that ANYTHING shipped Priority Mail is inevitably stopped by 
customs these days, regardless of declared value. So evertime this happens, I 
go on a three-hour round-trip to pick the darn thing up.

How's THAT compared to your $5 loss?

Cheers,

Helmut


Am 11.12.2011 um 21:44 schrieb Richard Halegua Comic Art:

> so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay
> 
> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865 
> 
> his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped Priority Mail
> 
> Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the card got 
> here undamaged
> 
> however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st Class for 
> $1.68.
> 
> so I send him a message:
> Buzz
> two things
> #1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo don't use 
> some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
> #2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it first 
> class for $1.68
> I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine
> 
> his response:
> Hello:
> 
> The shipping is for postage and handling and it was sent expedited. I do not 
> refund postage. thank you.
> Buzz
> ---
> so I say it is yet another fleaBay MORON getting a neg
> 
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Franc]

Hi Richard --- I recommend you leave him a negative feedback and explain
why in the comments and report him to Ebay for charging excessive
postage. He's an idiot. FRANC

-Original Message-
From: MoPo List [mailto:mopo-l@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU] On Behalf Of
Richard Halegua Comic Art
Sent: Sunday, December 11, 2011 3:45 PM
To: MoPo-L@LISTSERV.AMERICAN.EDU
Subject: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron


so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem

&item=320802002865 

his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped
Priority Mail

Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the card
got here undamaged

however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st
Class for $1.68.

so I send him a message:
Buzz
two things
#1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo don't
use some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
#2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it
first class for $1.68
I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine

his response:
Hello:

The shipping is for postage and handling and it was sent expedited. I do
not refund postage. thank you.
Buzz
---
so I say it is yet another fleaBay MORON getting a neg


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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Bruce Hershenson]

I like how he says the water stain is "on the back"!

On Sun, Dec 11, 2011 at 3:13 PM, Richard Halegua Comic Art <
sa...@comic-art.com> wrote:

>  yeah he's a donk.
> if you look further, he has several complaints about the same issue
>
> it sorta sucks that fleaBay has only made the ratings based on the past 12
> months of FB
> his rating would be about 85% for his entire fleaBay run
>
> I'm tired of filing fleaBay complaints to get $5 back. My time is worth
> more than the $5.. I'll just neg this ahole
>
> surprisingly, I have been finding this a more and more common problem and
> as such I have left more negs the past 6 months than I had in the previous
> 10 years. I'm totally fed up with these jerks and it's never on the
> expensive items. always some jackass trying to make an extra few dollars on
> stuff he feels was undersold
>
>
>
> At 01:06 PM 12/11/2011, kenwick...@aol.com wrote:
>
> Looks like  he has already gotten a negative on this subject. What a
> putz...
> Overbilled s/h. Ignored requests for two weeks to correct. Avoid this
> seller!!
> *Member id 
> *jimmybob999(
> *Feedback Score 
> Of*
>  
> 594
> Nov-24-10 14:56
>
>
>- *Reply* by godfatherunclebuzz (Dec-01-10 16:57): Argued over extra
>dollar in shipping cost. Made contacts. Poor customer.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Richard Halegua Comic Art 
> To: MoPo-L 
> Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:44 pm
> Subject: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron
>
> so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay
>
>  http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865
>
> his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped Priority
> Mail
>
> Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the card
> got here undamaged
>
> however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st Class
> for $1.68.
>
> *so I send him a message:
> *Buzz
> two things
> #1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo don't
> use some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
> #2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it first
> class for $1.68
> I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine
>
> *his response:
> *Hello:
>
> The shipping is for postage and handling and it was sent expedited. I do
> not refund postage. thank you.
> Buzz
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> so I say it is yet another fleaBay MORON getting a neg
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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Richard Halegua Comic Art]

yeah he's a donk.
if you look further, he has several complaints about the same issue

it sorta sucks that fleaBay has only made the ratings based on the 
past 12 months of FB

his rating would be about 85% for his entire fleaBay run

I'm tired of filing fleaBay complaints to get $5 back. My time is 
worth more than the $5.. I'll just neg this ahole


surprisingly, I have been finding this a more and more common problem 
and as such I have left more negs the past 6 months than I had in the 
previous 10 years. I'm totally fed up with these jerks and it's never 
on the expensive items. always some jackass trying to make an extra 
few dollars on stuff he feels was undersold



At 01:06 PM 12/11/2011, kenwick...@aol.com wrote:

Looks like  he has already gotten a negative on this subject. What a putz...
Overbilled s/h. Ignored requests for two weeks to correct. Avoid 
this seller!!
Member id 
jimmybob999 ( 
Feedback 
Score 
Of 
594

Nov-24-10 14:56

   * Reply by godfatherunclebuzz (Dec-01-10 16:57): Argued over 
extra dollar in shipping cost. Made contacts. Poor customer.


-Original Message-
From: Richard Halegua Comic Art 
To: MoPo-L 
Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:44 pm
Subject: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865 



his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped Priority Mail

Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the 
card got here undamaged


however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st 
Class for $1.68.


so I send him a message:
Buzz
two things
#1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo 
don't use some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
#2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it 
first class for $1.68

I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine

his response:
Hello:

The shipping is for postage and handling and it was sent expedited. 
I do not refund postage. thank you.

Buzz
---
so I say it is yet another fleaBay MORON getting a neg

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Re: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron

[Kenwick Cook]

 Looks like  he has already gotten a negative on this subject. What a putz...

 

Overbilled s/h.  Ignored requests for two weeks to correct.  Avoid this seller!!

Member id jimmybob999  ( Feedback Score Of 594)  

Nov-24-10 14:56





Reply by godfatherunclebuzz (Dec-01-10 16:57):
Argued over extra dollar in shipping cost.  Made contacts.  Poor customer.



 

-Original Message-
From: Richard Halegua Comic Art 
To: MoPo-L 
Sent: Sun, Dec 11, 2011 12:44 pm
Subject: [MOPO] Another fleabay Moron


so I buy an Ocean's 11 lobby card from a guy on ebay

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=320802002865

his shipping says $8.00 and clearly indicates it will be shipped PriorityMail

Package arrives, with the flimsiest of cardboard but amazingly the cardgot here 
undamaged

however, this moron did not send by Priority mail, he mailed it 1st Classfor 
$1.68.

so I send him a message:
Buzz
two things
#1 fortunately the card did not get folded in shipping, but if yuo don'tuse 
some sturdy cardboard, you're courtig danger
#2 you charged me $8 for Priority Mail shipping and yet you sent it firstclass 
for $1.68
I'm expecting a partial refund of my shipping.. $5 will be fine

his response:
Hello:

The shipping is for postage and handling and it was sent expedited. I donot 
refund postage. thank you.
Buzz
---
so I say it is yet another fleaBay MORON getting a neg


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