Re: [newbie] About comments for the unsubscribing one

2000-09-05 Thread Jason Ashman

On Mon, 04 Sep 2000, you wrote:
  
  Jay
  "Every man dies, not every man really lives."
 
 Didn't Spock say this on one of the Star Trek movies?
 -- 
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That is from Braveheart - the greatest movie of all time.  

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Re: [newbie] Modem Problems

2000-09-05 Thread Jason Ashman

On Mon, 04 Sep 2000, you wrote:
 Jason Ashman wrote:

 Jason:
 While many internal modems are winmodems -- especially the $39.95 blue
 light specials -- not all of them are. I have a Zoom 2919 ISA internal
 modem that works just fine. (I disabled the PnP feature and jumpered it
 to COM4, but I had to do that to get it to run under Windows. [It
 plugged OK, but it didn't Play!]) I also got an older Zoom modem -- with
 PnP enabled -- to work with Mandrake. 
 Unfortunately, one problem that newbies face is that most manufacturers
 (including Zoom) don't put anything on the box to indicate that their
 product will work with anything other than Windows. I agree with you
 that it would be best to get an external modem unless there is some
 compelling reason to go with an internal unit. In addition to the
 guaranteed compatibility with any operating system, you get all those
 neat flashing lights.
 -- Carroll Grigsby
-- 
The flashing lights are soothing :)
I use a Diamond SupraExpree 56K and it works perfectly in Linux, and even BeOS
when I gave that OS a shot.  


Jay
"Every man dies, not every man really lives."
http://www.mrsnooky.com





RE: [newbie] Dual Processor Support

2000-09-05 Thread Tom Lankester

Donnie,

What happens if you try cat /proc/cpuinfo at the command line (assuming
this is not the same as ctrl alt F1)?

Regs

Tom Lankester

 -Original Message-
 From: Mogens Jæger [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 2:12 AM
 To:   [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject:  Re: [newbie] Dual Processor Support
 
 "Donnie R. Shelton" wrote:
 
  I have just installed mandrake 7.0 and when I hit ctrl-Alt F1 to
 look at
  what Mandrake thinks that I have it says that I have 1 600 mhz
 celeron
  processor, when I am sctually running a BP-6 with two celerons 533
 on
  it. I have the board clocked and I scaled back just to make sure
  that that was not the problem, but needless to say.. I don't
 even know
  where to start. So far I really like Mandrake, but I have to have
 the dual
  support. Anyone even know where I can start??
  thanks!!
 
  Donnie R. Shelton
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 
 Hey Donnie.
 I have now for some time been using a similar system: an Abit BP6 with
 2
 Celleron 533 - and it works great.
 What does it 'say' at boot-time. I have just tried the Ctrl-Alt-F1 and
 it too
 said one 535 Mhz, but at boot-time the similar screen says 2, with a
 doubled
 Bogomips. When I run the GIMP I can choose the number of processors
 (up to
 30!) I want to use. I am pretty shure that Linux is using both
 processors -
 have you ever tried to work with (large) pictures, make a print, and
 then go
 on to the next - then you will be shure, if you use 1 or 2 processors.
 I have upgraded to the "kernel-smp-2.2.17-0.21mdk.i586.rpm" to get
 support
 for the ATA66 controller - it's really fast.
 But I have a little question to you - I have tried to overclock it,
 but when
 I try, it resets to a 300 MHz - how do you do?
 Sincerely
 Mogens Jæger
 
 




[newbie] Possible modem solutions

2000-09-05 Thread Craig Westerman

In my quest to get my Linux compatible modem working with Mandrake 7.1,
I ran across this article that may be of help to some of you. If it has
already been posted here. My apologies.

http://www.linux-mag.com/cgi-bin/printer.pl?issue=2000-03article=newbies

Craig 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]





Re: [newbie] Sound Card

2000-09-05 Thread J. Ricardo Rizzo

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Ive been having trouble getting my soundcard to work. Its a SB16 soundcard by
 C-media. I got it to work with OSS and i tried changing the information but
 it still wont work. Is there any other way besides OSS to get it to work?

Hello, I have also been on troubles with my soundcard. It has
sb-compatible chip onboard. Furthermore, it has VIA audio device (I do
not exactly what is it). I think that I have a irq conflict but I don't
know how to resolve it.

One of the suggestions made by the boot message is something like "try
with OSS". How can I do that?

Perhaps [EMAIL PROTECTED] can answer. Thank you in advance. ;-)

Ricardo

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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Observatorio Astronomico Nacional
Alcala de Henares - Spain

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Re: [newbie] Sound Card

2000-09-05 Thread J. Ricardo Rizzo

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Ive been having trouble getting my soundcard to work. Its a SB16 soundcard by
 C-media. I got it to work with OSS and i tried changing the information but
 it still wont work. Is there any other way besides OSS to get it to work?


By the way, I could change the irq, etc with HardDrake (in graphic
mode), and configure the sound card with sndconfig (console) and lothar
(graphic).

Greetings,

Ricardo



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[EMAIL PROTECTED]

Observatorio Astronomico Nacional
Alcala de Henares - Spain

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Re: [newbie] 7.2 beta

2000-09-05 Thread frank

On Mon, 04 Sep 2000, Mike  Tracy Holt put to word:
 7.2 is pretty good, lots of good improvements.  On 'upgrade' from 7.1 it
 didn't do so well; wasn't able to detect my network after the upgrade,
 couldn't setup my printer from the installer (which I've never been able to
 do) and a few other minor details.  When I did the fresh install however,
 it DID recognize my network and even had a driver/filter for my printer!
 (Epson 860 on the USB port).  On the downside, kde needs LOTS of work
 (wouldn't close 'x' without ctrl-alt-backspace) and sound doesn't work out
 of the box though the correct modules were configured and are being loaded.
 Overall, there are some awesome new features - I would call it more of an
 'alpha' release at this stage though.

hmmm...sound, printer, network, etc. all working fine here...and no trouble 
closing kde either...mileage does vary...

frank
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[newbie] 7.1 installed for windows only shows 64 MB RAM

2000-09-05 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

I've got 128 MB! What's wrong?





Re: [newbie] 7.1 installed for windows only shows 64 MB RAM

2000-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver

Gordon,

Install Mandrake 7.1 on it's own partiton instead of behind a DOS
partition and everything should work just fine for you.

Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:
 
 I've got 128 MB! What's wrong?




Re: [newbie] Burning help

2000-09-05 Thread Dennis Myers

 Kandace Little wrote:
 
 I found the program Gnome Toaster but could not find
 anything on how to run it ;(. I will pop out on the net later
 on today ( I am up feeding new daughter :) ) but if anybody
 could tell me about this or maybe something better I would
 be in there debt.
 
 I tried it but could not drop and drag the files down and when
 I burnt something it would not show up, even when it said that
 the burn was done. I checked in windows and it show nothing
 as well. It did erase it though which  is a plus, not sure how
 but I figured it did something ;)..
 
 Well the bottle is warm and I should go feed her. Thanks for
 the help in advance.
 
 Stephen

Go to Linux-Mandrake web site www.linux-mandrake.com/en/demos  and
scroll down to tutorials. The CD burner tutorial is pretty good for
getting you going.
-- 
Dennis a registered linux user #180842




Re: [newbie] 7.1 installed for windows only shows 64 MB RAM

2000-09-05 Thread ZeynalBandari

when u start your computer and boot prompt shows up type   linux mem=128M
the login as root and edit etc/lilo.conf  at the end of the file when it says 
appened:""
change it to appened:"mem=128M"  
save and close. run lilo -v  to make sure changes are done. i hope it will work for u 
as it did for me. goodluck 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I've got 128 MB! What's wrong?
 
 
 

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[newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all

2000-09-05 Thread pablito

Mandrake 7.1 doesn't install as either graphics or text install.  On text
install I get the following error "segmentation fault - seems like memory is
missing as the install crashes".  This is just after it finds the scsi card
and disks.  On graphics install I get a divide by zero error at the package
selection state.  I have tried making a boot disk with no difference.  I
have not tried copying the files on the CD to a partition on the hard disk
and installing from that.

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Re: [newbie] keyboard wierdness

2000-09-05 Thread ZeynalBandari


it works almost proper now. after a little adding langueges :)
tnx alot :)  
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Maybe you didn´t get an answer because from your question is hard to see
 what you are asking.
 
 I think I got it right though.
 
 You want to see the characters that are on the keyboard? I for example have
 a brasilian keyboard. I enter linuxconf and then choose Portuguese
 (brasilian) for the language and as keyboard layout I choose Brasil.
 I have also tried it with a danish keyboard and it works, even the "ecu"
 appears.
 
 With regards,
 
 Mads Rasmussen
 
 - Original Message -
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 2:46 PM
 Subject: [newbie] keyboard wierdness
 
 
  hi i posted this msg 3 days ago and since i didn't recive it myself i
 reposte it. sorry if anyone gets a double copy.
  i have problem with keyboard not typing the correct characters holding
 AltGr key. i have a samsung keyboard. i have tried swedish , us english and
 english international keyboard but none have worked. holding down shift have
 given result as i can type £ sign. but still many characters as $ and } are
 missing.
  please explain how to adjust it as if i was a 3 years old kid.i'd be very
 thankful if u help me.
  thanks in advance
 
 
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[newbie] Sound card?

2000-09-05 Thread Kelly, Christopher

I am running Linux 7.1 and am shopping for a sound card. Any suggestions as
to which one to pick???

Thanks,
Chris Kelly
Registered Linux user 185775






Re: [newbie] Sound card?

2000-09-05 Thread pablito

don't pick one with an ES1868 chip (used to be used in cheap sound cards).
My sound card has never worked with Linux.

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly, Christopher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Newbie'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:41 AM
Subject: [newbie] Sound card?


: I am running Linux 7.1 and am shopping for a sound card. Any suggestions
as
: to which one to pick???
:
: Thanks,
: Chris Kelly
: Registered Linux user 185775
:
:
:
:





[newbie] Code Warriors Wanted !

2000-09-05 Thread Dan LaBine


Dear forum; I'm interested in speaking with any experienced programmers
who are familiar with "Porting" a Windows-Based program to a Linux-based
one, whether or not "Wine" would have to be used or not. My office uses
a 16 bit program which it currently the only POS standing between a
totally Linux office, and a half and half environment. This program is
designed to access an on-line binary database, and then downloads these
binary files to be merged with one large data file. I'd really like
to find a way to switch it over to Linux, without using some sort of Windows
emulator, so if anyone's interested in having a new project,
get back to me at this forum, or email me at [EMAIL PROTECTED]




[newbie] How to unpartition when I can't boot into Linux

2000-09-05 Thread DougC

On my reinstall of Linux I didn't(read forgot) to use
partition magic. I therefore appear to have all
'linux' partitions except for my windows c drive.
Since using a boot disk and botmagic won't boot me
into linux I really want to START from SCRATCH and
unpartition my non windows 'drives'. 

Partition magic 'sees' all th space but doesn't seem
to know what to make of it: Below is the screen from 
partition magic:

Disk1-29306 kbytes
Letter TypeStatus   Size   Used  Free   Pri/Log
 C Fat32x  Active   14,653 1,226 13,426  Pri
 * Type85   none14,653 14,653 14,653 Pri

Disk2-8056 kbytes
Letter Type Status   Size  Used  Free   Pri/Log
 * linuxSwap none 243   243   0.0 Pri
 *  Type85   none7812  7812   0.0 Pri




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RE: [newbie] Sound card?

2000-09-05 Thread Kelly, Christopher

Thanks for the warning! Any other suggestions for a good sound card?

-Original Message-
From: pablito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:52 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Sound card?


don't pick one with an ES1868 chip (used to be used in cheap sound cards).
My sound card has never worked with Linux.

- Original Message -
From: "Kelly, Christopher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "'Newbie'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:41 AM
Subject: [newbie] Sound card?


: I am running Linux 7.1 and am shopping for a sound card. Any suggestions
as
: to which one to pick???
:
: Thanks,
: Chris Kelly
: Registered Linux user 185775
:
:
:
:





Re: [newbie] ISP

2000-09-05 Thread Adrian Smith

Ozz said:
I still find this sort of thing a little strange.  Generally the kind of
people who know enough about systems to run Linux want REAL ISPs, not
wannabee ISPs like AOL/Compu$erve.

I reply:
I mostly agree with you  but   =)  i use CS from way back in the day when CS was 
for computer geeks, and when it was a good service.  when i started on computers i 
never called a tech line once, got all my support thru CS, especially for Logitech 
(spelling?) products.  it was great.  i must agree with you now.  when AOL brought CS 
i thought i was gonna cry.  it sucks today.  i stick with it only because i want to 
keep my email address as everyone has it.  i haven't tried to connect yet, so i don't 
know if it can be done (under linux).  i have to buy a real modem first.  winmodems... 
gotta love 'em.  when i bought my PC i wondered what that little "designed for Windows 
98" sticker on it ment.  now i know.  *groan*



Adrian Smith
'de telepone dude
Telecom Dept.
x 7042
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: [newbie] VCD player?

2000-09-05 Thread Ronald J. Hall

Lovister LJ wrote:
 
 I need a program to play VCD's".dat" files.
 
 Thanks in advance.
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 Share information about yourself, create your own public profile at
 http://profiles.msn.com.

MTV, aka MpegTV is the way to go. Its not free, takes something like a $10
registration fee to fully use it (timed demo). A version of it is already on
Mandrake v7.0 and 7.1... Just type in mtv at at command line...

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Re: [newbie] error on samba-2

2000-09-05 Thread mystic

Try not to encript passwords.
- Original Message -
From: "Juggernaut" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: "Mandrake maling list" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2000 1:46 AM
Subject: [newbie] error on samba-2


 Hi again..
 I'm trying to connect windoze 98 SE with Linux. And then I get some error
 messages on Windoze.Anyone can help me ? Please.

 Computer 1 : IP Address : 192.168.0.1, Mandrake 7.0, host name :
Craven.net
 Computer 2 : IP Address : 192.168.0.2, Windoze 98 SE, host name :
teteh.net

 Here's the errors :
 1. I'm trying to copy files from linux to win, and I get error message
like
 this :
 "cannot copy kfm_0_776Craven. Access denied. Make sure the disk is not
 full or write-protected and that the file is not currently in use. "
 The file is in /tmp.

 2. "Cannot access \\Craven\Linuxer
 The network name is either not found on the running network, or is
 incorrect. Do you want to connect by using Dial-Up-Networking ?" And I
 answer "No". And the the second message appear.
" \\Craven\Linuxer  is not accessible. The share name was not found. Be
 sure you typed it correctly."

 3. "You must supply a password to make the connection. Resource :
 \\Craven\pungki
 Password : "
 And then the box " Save the password in your personal list" is
checked.
 I tried to fill the password with user password, root password, and
the
 user password in windoze. But I still cannot access it.

 Thank you very much for helping me.

 NB : This is my smb.conf:
 [global]
workgroup = QUAKE
server string = QUAKE SERVER
security = SHARE
null passwords = Yes
log level = 0
log file = /var/log/samba/log.%a
max log size = 50
socket options = TCP_NODELAY SO_RCVBUF=8192 SO_SNDBUF=8192
os level = 0
domain master = Yes
dns proxy = No
comment = Craven.net
hosts allow = 192.168.0.2, 192.168.0.1

[homes]
comment = Home Directories
path = /home/%u
read only = No
guest ok = Yes
hosts allow = 198.168.0.2, 192.168.0.1

[printers]
comment = All Printers
path = /var/spool/samba
print ok = Yes
browseable = No

[Linuxer]
comment = Testing
path = /root
read only = No
guest only = Yes
guest ok = Yes

[Nieda]
comment = komputer Windoze
path = /tmp
read only = No
guest only = Yes
guest ok = Yes
hosts allow = 192.168.0.1, 192.168.0.2









[newbie] a suggestion for safe installing

2000-09-05 Thread Adrian Smith

in addition to as has been said before:
1. read the manual (i installed Mandrake 7.0  7.1 with nothing but the manual and had 
no real problems -- sound card doesn't work yet  printer is dingy -- but those are 
not "real problems")
2. back up your data..   duh.  that's why i have a CD burner.

things like partitoning drives  such still frightens me, i'm just not that trusting 
of software in general  especially of anything M$, or anything i don't understand yet 
(like Linux)

but...  here is what i do  it might help some of you feel safe as well.

1. purchase 2 hard drives, physical drives.
2. use the second drive for all your data files and personal stuff.  letters to mom, 
JPGs of Alicia Silverstone, etc
3. put all of your OSs on the first physical drive, also all of your programs.
4. when ready to upgrade or install a new OS or repartiton or anything else shut off 
the computer
5. physically unplug the power  data to the second drive
6. fire up the system  install or whatever
7. when all is happy, power down  hook up the second drive.

no matter how badly you shaft your first drive, your data is safe
this assumes (dangerous to do) that you have install CDs for all your OSs  software 
(not true if you are using the crap that came on your system and thus don't have 
install disk) thus i believe it's good to get an install CD for each program you use.  
if you totally trash the OS drive, just start over from nothing and reinstall all of 
your stuff.

i've been doing this for years
i've trashed my OS so many times i've lost count.
never lost any important data at all.

just a suggestion
hope it helps someone

oh, and read the manual *before* you install
=)



Adrian Smith
'de telepone dude
Telecom Dept.
x 7042
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[newbie] New Modem Problems ;(

2000-09-05 Thread Kandace Little



I got a new to me modem, it is a 33.6 USRobotics 
Sportster
and it works great in windows. I can query it in 
Linux and it
give me some stuff but when I try to connect 
to the net 
through kppp it hangs on initializing and it goes 
not father.
I hope somebody can help me out with 
this.

Stephen


Re: [newbie] Sound card?

2000-09-05 Thread Dennis Myers

"Kelly, Christopher" wrote:
 
 Thanks for the warning! Any other suggestions for a good sound card?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: pablito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Sound card?
 
 don't pick one with an ES1868 chip (used to be used in cheap sound cards).
 My sound card has never worked with Linux.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Kelly, Christopher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "'Newbie'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:41 AM
 Subject: [newbie] Sound card?
 
 : I am running Linux 7.1 and am shopping for a sound card. Any suggestions
 as
 : to which one to pick???
 :
 : Thanks,
 : Chris Kelly
 : Registered Linux user 185775


I have an Ensoniq 1371 sound card in my system and it worked out of the
box. It is not a real high end sound card but it does serve the purpose.
-- 
Dennis a registered linux user #180842




Re: [newbie] New Modem Problems ;(

2000-09-05 Thread Mads Rasmussen



Try messing around with the flow 
control

Mads

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Kandace 
  Little 
  To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:06 
  PM
  Subject: [newbie] New Modem Problems 
  ;(
  
  I got a new to me modem, it is a 33.6 USRobotics 
  Sportster
  and it works great in windows. I can query it in 
  Linux and it
  give me some stuff but when I try to 
  connect to the net 
  through kppp it hangs on initializing and it goes 
  not father.
  I hope somebody can help me out with 
  this.
  
  Stephen


[newbie] OT: Ulysses?

2000-09-05 Thread Damien Mc Kenna

Pardon the OTness of this, but does anyone know if the beta title comes
Greek mythology, or from the fact that there's an Irish bloke working at
Mdk?

--
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The Computer Institute, 100 Waldon Blvd., Sanford, FL 32773
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - 407-328-4722 x3397





Re: [newbie] ISP

2000-09-05 Thread Austin L. Denyer


 I mostly agree with you  but   =)  i use CS from way
 back in the day when CS was for computer geeks, and when
 it was a good service.  when i started on computers i never
 called a tech line once, got all my support thru CS,
 especially for Logitech (spelling?) products.  it was great.
 i must agree with you now.  when AOL brought CS i thought i
 was gonna cry.  it sucks today.  i stick with it only
 because i want to keep my email address as everyone has it.
 i haven't tried to connect yet, so i don't know if it can
 be done (under linux).  i have to buy a real modem first.
 winmodems... gotta love 'em.  when i bought my PC i wondered
 what that little "designed for Windows 98" sticker on it
 ment.  now i know.  *groan*

Compu$erve was always little more than a glorified BBS.  However, back
then there was little choice, and Compu$erve was, as you say, the best
of the bunch, if a little pricey.

The trouble was, Compu$erve never really moved with the times.  They
were always slow, and always expensive compared to the others.

The vast majority of Compu$erve users today probably fall into two
categories.  The 'old timers' who keep it rather than lose their e-mail
address (as in your case) and the newbies who don't know any better.

I can fully sympathize with you about your e-mail address.  When I left
the UK I had to quit my old account, and was heartbroken at losing the
e-mail address that had been my trademark for close to a decade.  It was
like the death of a close friend.

In fact, I am seriously considering re-instating my old account if my
finances allow within the required timescale!  The advantages of
unlimited mailbox size, unlimited e-mail addresses, etc. are very
tempting, even though I would never be dialling into the account (just
remotely logging onto the POP3 server).

As for AOL, quite apart from the crap service, there are WAY too many
lamerz on it.  It can therefore be very difficult to be taken seriously.
I actually know quite a few people who have the aol.com domain in their
killfile - ALL messages from AOL accounts are deleted unread!  Go
figure...

Regards,
Ozz.






Re: [newbie] OT: Ulysses?

2000-09-05 Thread pablito

It referz to how long it takes to install it and get it working.


- Original Message -
From: "Damien Mc Kenna" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:00 AM
Subject: [newbie] OT: "Ulysses"?


: Pardon the OTness of this, but does anyone know if the beta title
"Ulysses" comes
: Greek mythology, or from the fact that there's an Irish bloke working at
: Mdk?
:
: --
: Damien Mc Kenna, Paraprofessional
: The Computer Institute, 100 Waldon Blvd., Sanford, FL 32773
: [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 407-328-4722 x3397
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[newbie] Cannot get Version 7.1 Deluxe to install

2000-09-05 Thread TallD CU2

Hi Mandrake Linux Help Desk,

I guess I must be one of a small minority who cannot get version 7.1 Deluxe 
to install on his/her PC. I have made three thorough attempts and all goes 
well until the final step where the X configuration test is done.

I chose from the list of options, a Matrox Millennium II video card and a 
Viewsonic PT 775 monitor and a resolution of 1024 by 768 at 24-bit color 
depth. I get an error stating that “install exited abnormally” and 
everything is deleted.

I am installing the program on a Maxtor 8.4 GB hard drive as a virgin 
installation, allowing Mandrake Linux to do an “automatic” install. I run my 
PC using a “rack” system, that is, all my “boot” drives are mounted in rack 
inserts so I can run any operating system I want to, putting each system 
(Win98, Win2000, etc.) exclusively on its very own boot hard drive.

Since I installed Mandrake Linux from the CD drive and NOT from Windows (as 
the boot hard drive was blank) I cannot send you the dump of the error 
messages that appeared on the screen when the program crashed.

Here’s a description of my system:
Abit BX6-2 mobo, April 2000 BIOS, Matrox Millennium II PCI bus video card 
with 16 Mb WRAM tied to a Diamond Monster II PCI 3-D video card using a 3Dfx 
voodoo 2 chip set and 12 Mb of video RAM, 256 Mb of PC-100 SDRAM, 250 Mb 
Iomega Zip drive, Panasonic 40X (oem) CD drive, 3.5 inch Teac floppy drive, 
Realtek RTL 8029 NIC, Promise DMA66 controller card, Sound Blaster “Live” 
sound card, Intel Celeron 566 Mhz. Flip Chip PGA (retail) CPU (overclocked 
to 850 Mhz.) on an Abit slocket adapter all cooled using a “Golden Orb” heat 
sink fan combo and finally a mobile rack configured for DMA-66. The rack 
holds whatever “boot” drive and operating system I want. I also have a 
“slave” drive permanently mounted inside the generic case (300 watt Power 
Supply in the case). That slave drive is a Maxtor model 52049U4 (20.5 Gb).

Your help will be appreciated. I do expect success, but on the other hand, I 
also expect a full refund of my purchase price if we cannot get Mandrake 
Linux version 7.1 Deluxe successfully installed on my PC.  I look forward to 
your prompt reply. You can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] and by phone at 
310-820-352.

I have attached this message as a Word 2000 document in case you want to 
print this out in a formatted version.

Cheers

Dennis J. Betts

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[newbie] Upgrade from Linux?

2000-09-05 Thread pablito

I was wondering whether there was some way to upgrade Mandrake Linux without
running the install program.  I managed to get Mandrake 6.0 installed but no
version after that, trying 7.0, 7.0-2, and now 7.1.  I tried using Kpackage
but I'd get messages that I needed some library installed first.





Re: [newbie] ISP

2000-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver

Adrian,

If you want to get a non-winmodem you'd better hurry up and get one
cause I think there's but one company left making them. I hear that soon
there won't be any. I believe 3Com/USRobotics is still making them, but
for how much longer is a mystery.

Mark

Adrian Smith wrote:
 
 Ozz said:
 I still find this sort of thing a little strange.  Generally the kind of
 people who know enough about systems to run Linux want REAL ISPs, not
 wannabee ISPs like AOL/Compu$erve.
 
 I reply:
 I mostly agree with you  but   =)  i use CS from way back in the day when CS was 
for computer geeks, and when it was a good service.  when i started on computers i 
never called a tech line once, got all my support thru CS, especially for Logitech 
(spelling?) products.  it was great.  i must agree with you now.  when AOL brought CS 
i thought i was gonna cry.  it sucks today.  i stick with it only because i want to 
keep my email address as everyone has it.  i haven't tried to connect yet, so i don't 
know if it can be done (under linux).  i have to buy a real modem first.  
winmodems... gotta love 'em.  when i bought my PC i wondered what that little 
"designed for Windows 98" sticker on it ment.  now i know.  *groan*
 
 Adrian Smith
 'de telepone dude
 Telecom Dept.
 x 7042
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]




Re: [newbie] OT: Ulysses?

2000-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver

um...how old are you?  :|

Beta is the second letter of the "greek"...or is that "geek" alhpabet.

Mark

Damien Mc Kenna wrote:
 
 Pardon the OTness of this, but does anyone know if the beta title comes
 Greek mythology, or from the fact that there's an Irish bloke working at
 Mdk?
 
 --
 Damien Mc Kenna, Paraprofessional
 The Computer Institute, 100 Waldon Blvd., Sanford, FL 32773
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 407-328-4722 x3397




Re: [[newbie] ICQ?]

2000-09-05 Thread cvs900

OF CURSE ONLY ADD THEIRS ICQ NUMBERS IN THE OPCION SYSTEM ADD USER OR
SOMETHING LIKE THAT


[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Kandace Little) wrote:

 - 
   Attachment:  
   MIME Type: multipart/alternative 
 - 
Does this work with the windows version? as in 
can I talk to people that have Win/98 ICQ?

Steve



Get free email and a permanent address at http://www.netaddress.com/?N=1




Re: [newbie] actiontec pci pro

2000-09-05 Thread Glenn Johnson



Look at the help file, section 7 I think. Assumning you're using the kppp
dialer. There was a lot of helpful info there for me when I was using my
ISA modem.
dave wrote:

Its
a winmodem...I tried the latest ltmodem driver from lucent and am able
to dial out..However when ISP answers a box comes up saying ppp unexpectedly
quit. The same configuration works on an old 14400 modem. Any help with
the lucent greatly appreciated.





Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning

2000-09-05 Thread Paul

On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

I am a VERY new newbie in Linux. I have installed 7.1 using the windows
install successfully, but I feel that it doesn't give Linux "free rein"
and thus am going to attempt a complete install on its own partition.

When I run the complete instal, what do I have to tell it about the
partitions that it will make?

I have a 13 GB HD, and am currently running Win98. I would ideally like
to have 8GB for windows, and 4GB for Linux (or may be 7 and 6 as I don't
use a lot of storage-hungry apps)

First make sure you shrink your windows partition (partition magic, fips,
whatever you have available). Then you can leave all the difficult work to
the setup. If you want to live dangerously, put everything in 1
partition. I would suggest you create at least a separate /home directory
(1 gb) and a separate /usr directory (4 gb) next to / (root) which can use
the rest.
But this is just how I would do it.

Paul

--
When you look at Prince Charles, 
don't you think that someone in the Royal family
knew someone in the Royal family?
-Robin Williams

http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
  -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-






Re: [newbie] re: mandrake 7.02 problems

2000-09-05 Thread Paul

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I have a very simple question about mandrake 7.02 and am embarrassed to
have to ask it but here goes.  After installing successfully (I
thought)and rebooting for the first time I tried to configure my
rc.local file for ip chains.

First off there was no ip chains or rc.local.  Did I do something wrong
on my install?

It sounds like it, but I can't explain it. This is basic stuff that the
installer takes care of by itself.

Anyway I finally got on the net and installed ipchains but I don't know
how to setup a file to start at boot up.(embarrassing)

Where do you look for rc.local ?
Its full path is /etc/rc.d/rc.local
ipchains is usually in /sbin and you won't have it in a user path
normally.

To set it up, go to www.pointman.org and download pmfirewall. It is a
script that helps you set up ipchains and will also stick it in the proper
bootfiles.

Paul

--
Suppose you were an idiot...
And suppose you were a member of Congress... 
But I repeat myself.
-Mark Twain

http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
  -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-





Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all

2000-09-05 Thread Paul

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, pablito wrote:

Mandrake 7.1 doesn't install as either graphics or text install.  On text
install I get the following error "segmentation fault - seems like memory is
missing as the install crashes".  This is just after it finds the scsi card
and disks.  On graphics install I get a divide by zero error at the package
selection state.  I have tried making a boot disk with no difference.  I
have not tried copying the files on the CD to a partition on the hard disk
and installing from that.

Perhaps a good idea to set the speed of your RAM down. I have heard that
this helps in problem cases like this.

Paul

--
Suppose you were an idiot...
And suppose you were a member of Congress... 
But I repeat myself.
-Mark Twain

http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
  -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-





Re: [newbie] Cannot get Version 7.1 Deluxe to install

2000-09-05 Thread Denis Havlik

:~Hi Mandrake Linux Help Desk,

Hi, tallD 

You are on a wrong adress... Still, try the following thing: 

:~I guess I must be one of a small minority who cannot get version 7.1 Deluxe 
:~to install on his/her PC. I have made three thorough attempts and all goes 
:~well until the final step where the X configuration test is done.

- ignore this and let the PC reboot without X, then log-in as root and run 
"XFdrake" program. 

In case this does not work one can talk further... (But this is still not
a technical support, it is a mailing-list for mandrake-linux users)

cu
Denis
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Re: [newbie] ISP

2000-09-05 Thread Charles A Edwards


- Original Message - 
From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:33 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] ISP


 Adrian,
 
 If you want to get a non-winmodem you'd better hurry up and get one
 cause I think there's but one company left making them. I hear that soon
 there won't be any. I believe 3Com/USRobotics is still making them, but
 for how much longer is a mystery.
 

Mark 
   Where did you get this mis-information?
   3Com has said that the will stop making modens but there will still
be many companies  making hardware modems.
   Actiontec
   Zoom
   Hayes
   Best Data 
   Pace
   Various multis such as Creative and Diamond. 
And these I,m listing just off the top of my head.

   Charles  :-)   





[newbie] Questions on rlogin

2000-09-05 Thread Susana Duarte Flores




Hello everybody!
I'm trapped in the following situation:
I have a LAN network and I used to have the Linux Red Hat 6.0 
distribution; but I have bought the Mandrake 7.0 distribution and installed it 
in all the machines (except one). The problem I have is that I can start a 
remote session only in the machine with Red Hat, and not in the others. I have 
tried to use telnet and ftp, and I didnt have any problems, so I think it 
must be something related to ports or some kind of permission. Every time I try 
to rlogin I get the message : Connection Refused.
I'm new in the Linux world, can anybody help me?
Thanks in advance.
Sue.


Re: [[newbie] Another question]

2000-09-05 Thread Larry Marshall


 BTW I have the exact same problem...error on a Trident video card...strange
 thing is...it's a supported AT24/3DFX video card

I installed 7.1 from the Max. Linux CD and found that there was a bunch
of stuff that existed in my Mandrake 7.0 Deluxe package that was
missing.  One of those things was a set of 3DFX card drivers.  I got it
to work but went back to my 7.0 installation as I found some of the
utilities missing (someone mentioned that xmms didn't install and I
found it missing too).

Cheers --- Larry




Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all

2000-09-05 Thread pablito

Hmm, I was wondering about that.  I reduced the processor speed, however,
with no visible effect.  The thing is overclocked.  Maybe I'll do both.
- Original Message -
From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:03 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all


: On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, pablito wrote:
:
: Mandrake 7.1 doesn't install as either graphics or text install.  On text
: install I get the following error "segmentation fault - seems like memory
is
: missing as the install crashes".  This is just after it finds the scsi
card
: and disks.  On graphics install I get a divide by zero error at the
package
: selection state.  I have tried making a boot disk with no difference.  I
: have not tried copying the files on the CD to a partition on the hard
disk
: and installing from that.
:
: Perhaps a good idea to set the speed of your RAM down. I have heard that
: this helps in problem cases like this.
:
: Paul
:
: --
: Suppose you were an idiot...
: And suppose you were a member of Congress...
: But I repeat myself.
: -Mark Twain
:
: http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
:   -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
:
:
:





RE: [newbie] Sound card?

2000-09-05 Thread Robin Regennitter

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, you wrote:

I think most Creative Hardware such as sound blaster, modem blaster, and video
blaster are the most capatible for linux.  I am planning on building my
computer and I am planning on putting in Voodoo 3 Af3x or whatchamacallit, 
modemblaster, and soundblaster.

 Thanks for the warning! Any other suggestions for a good sound card?
 
 -Original Message-
 From: pablito [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 10:52 AM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [newbie] Sound card?
 
 
 don't pick one with an ES1868 chip (used to be used in cheap sound cards).
 My sound card has never worked with Linux.
 
 - Original Message -
 From: "Kelly, Christopher" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: "'Newbie'" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 7:41 AM
 Subject: [newbie] Sound card?
 
 
 : I am running Linux 7.1 and am shopping for a sound card. Any suggestions
 as
 : to which one to pick???
 :
 : Thanks,
 : Chris Kelly
 : Registered Linux user 185775
 :
 :
 :
 :




[newbie] Linmodems

2000-09-05 Thread Deno

Linmodems
(http://forum.mandrakesoft.com/article.php3?sid=2905114341)

Due to wide avaliability of cheep junk-modems, "How can I get my winmodem working 
under Linux" question has made it very high on list of Frequently Asked Questions.

For a long time, standard answer was "no, forget it", but this has changed lately to 
"maybe", "some" and "to some extend", because some vendors provided binary-only 
modules, and there has even been some progress on free-software front. 




Although this question has already been discussed several times on this forum, I 
decided to re-launch the story, because of two recent changes on linmodems.org and WG 
pages:

First, there is a new table on gromitkc pages, with list of existing linmodem drivers 
and links to tarballs. Thus, search for drivers has just been made easier.
Second change is that Mikhail Moreyra has written a driver for the CL-MD5620DT 
(Ambient Tech) chipset, and according to linmodems.org it does PPP! I have no idea how 
good this driver is, but if you have this winmodem, make sure to try out the driver. 
 

So, times are changing in Linmodems land, but don't expect too much. Binary-only 
drivers are bound to give you problems on next kernel upgrade, and GPL-ed ones are 
still in vary early stage (though the above mentioned one could be further than I 
thought), so you should still avoid these monsters if you can, and we will not be able 
to give you any sort of support if/when something goes wrong.





Re: [newbie] OT: Ulysses?

2000-09-05 Thread Philomena

um, Mark - I think Damien was referencing the "Ulysses" name, not 
"beta"  :-) , hence the literary hint of the Irish author James Joyce who 
wrote "Ulysses"

cheers,
philomena

At 01:44 PM 9/5/00 -0400, you wrote:
um...how old are you?  :|

Beta is the second letter of the "greek"...or is that "geek" alhpabet.

Mark

Damien Mc Kenna wrote:
 
  Pardon the OTness of this, but does anyone know if the beta title comes
  Greek mythology, or from the fact that there's an Irish bloke working at
  Mdk?
 
  --
  Damien Mc Kenna, Paraprofessional
  The Computer Institute, 100 Waldon Blvd., Sanford, FL 32773
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] - 407-328-4722 x3397





[newbie] games and mesa

2000-09-05 Thread Robin Regennitter

There were a few games I tried to install and run but with no luck.  There were
 games I had downloaded last night called Xevil and Zarch.  Xevil cant
install on a i586 system. and zarch requires a configuration through Mesa and
voodoo card.   Xzarch only requred the X11 configuration.  I tried running
xzarch but then I get a flash across the screen and then it disappeared.  I
dont have a clue on how to configure Mesa. and why the world xzarch isnt
working?  Anyone knows about this Mesa thingie?

Rob




Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all

2000-09-05 Thread pablito

Nope, didn't work.  I guess I'm a Congressman.
- Original Message -
From: "pablito" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:39 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all


: Hmm, I was wondering about that.  I reduced the processor speed, however,
: with no visible effect.  The thing is overclocked.  Maybe I'll do both.
: - Original Message -
: From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
: Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:03 AM
: Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all
:
:
: : On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, pablito wrote:
: :
: : Mandrake 7.1 doesn't install as either graphics or text install.  On
text
: : install I get the following error "segmentation fault - seems like
memory
: is
: : missing as the install crashes".  This is just after it finds the scsi
: card
: : and disks.  On graphics install I get a divide by zero error at the
: package
: : selection state.  I have tried making a boot disk with no difference.
I
: : have not tried copying the files on the CD to a partition on the hard
: disk
: : and installing from that.
: :
: : Perhaps a good idea to set the speed of your RAM down. I have heard that
: : this helps in problem cases like this.
: :
: : Paul
: :
: : --
: : Suppose you were an idiot...
: : And suppose you were a member of Congress...
: : But I repeat myself.
: : -Mark Twain
: :
: : http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
: :   -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
: :
: :
: :
:
:
:





Re: [newbie] Linmodems

2000-09-05 Thread Denis Havlik

On Tue, 5 Sep 2000 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

:~Subject: [newbie] Linmodems
:~
:~Linmodems
:~(http://forum.mandrakesoft.com/article.php3?sid=2905114341)

BTW: If you want to receive ALL forum headlines in your INBOX, subscribe
to "forum" mailing list. This means ca 3-5 mails a day, and it is quite
informative...  

cu
Denis
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Re: [newbie] CUPS not printing

2000-09-05 Thread Dennis Myers

Dennis Myers wrote:
 
 Hi all, I d/l'd CUPS the other day and tonight I installed via RPMs.
 Well it won't print. get error message " lpr error-no default
 destination available". Is there something more I need to do? I am going
 on an explore to find the readme if I can or even have it. Suggestions
 other than rtfm are appreciated. And of course I will try to provide a
 solution to the list if I find one on my own. Thanks, Dennis
 --
 Dennis a registered linux user #180842
As an added bonus, when I test I get the message "unable to connect to
the server: no route to host". I can't pull up a config file for this
either. If I want to go back to my old print system, does anyone know
what package I should install? Any help would be ok, I've been to the
home page and gone through the documentation but can find nothing to
show me how I went wrong.  Thanks, Dennis
-- 
Dennis a registered linux user #180842




Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning

2000-09-05 Thread Gordon Burgess-Parker

Paul wrote:

 On Mon, 4 Sep 2000, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote:

 I am a VERY new newbie in Linux. I have installed 7.1 using the windows
 install successfully, but I feel that it doesn't give Linux "free rein"
 and thus am going to attempt a complete install on its own partition.
 
 When I run the complete instal, what do I have to tell it about the
 partitions that it will make?
 
 I have a 13 GB HD, and am currently running Win98. I would ideally like
 to have 8GB for windows, and 4GB for Linux (or may be 7 and 6 as I don't
 use a lot of storage-hungry apps)

 First make sure you shrink your windows partition (partition magic, fips,
 whatever you have available). Then you can leave all the difficult work to
 the setup. If you want to live dangerously, put everything in 1
 partition. I would suggest you create at least a separate /home directory
 (1 gb) and a separate /usr directory (4 gb) next to / (root) which can use
 the rest.
 But this is just how I would do it.

 Paul

 --
 When you look at Prince Charles,
 don't you think that someone in the Royal family
 knew someone in the Royal family?
 -Robin Williams

 http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
   -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-

Doesn't the Mandrake install disk allow you to specify the Windows partition
during install, or have I got completely the wrong impression?






Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Goldenpi



Inetd has nothing to do with drives. It runs 
network services.

I expect running scandisk on the bad partition 
would fix it. Unfortunatly, you need windows to see the partition before you can 
use scandisk. Chicken and egg.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  John I. Azeke 
  To: Linux 
  Mandrake 
  Sent: Sunday, September 03, 2000 9:18 
  PM
  Subject: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my 
  windows partition!!!
  
  I was looking at some of my windows 98 mpeg files 
  under L. Mandrake 7.1 yesterday and when I rebooted the computer into windows, 
  The partition of windows that contains all of my personal files was 
  gone! Confused, I went back into Mandrake and the partition was still 
  present with all information. I don't know why I can't see it under 
  Windows. 
  
  When Mandrake is performing its shut down 
  sequence, There is a FAIL on "stopping identd services"
  
  I have tried:
  1)detecting new harware under windows... No 
  Good
  2) unmounting the drive under Linux before 
  restarting... No Good
  
  Can anyone help me?
  


Re: [newbie] it won't install :(

2000-09-05 Thread Goldenpi

Error createing second stage ramdisk? I have seen this once before. I was
installing redhat on my (shudder) 586 with 32 mi ram and 500mi hdd.I managed
to get it to run by removeing two sims. It didn't mater which sims as long
as there was only 16 mi ram. I finished with it when I got tired of putting
my finger on the motherboard to get it to boot up :-)

- Original Message -
From: Paul [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:20 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] it won't install :(


 nope, just tried it, made my DVD drive the bootable one, same problem:
'Error creating
 second stage RAMDISK' when it is creating it, the progress bar reaches the
end but at
 the end it spits out the error message... it's not the RAM, I cleaned it
as well...
 (sigh)
 no linux for me (I could try something else, like Red Hat, but Mandrake
has the
 'easiest' installation procedure for a linux OS in my opinion, but I'm too
lazy now...
 what is that second stage RAMDISK anywho?


 Mark Weaver wrote:

  Um...that CD-RW was a BIG thing to forget to mention. :) Try booting the
  CD with a regular CDROM and I think you'll find that Mandrake will
install
  just fine.
 
  The thing I was thinking about that RAM though was sometimes Mandrake
  won't recognize RAM above 64MB. I was wondering maybe the install
program
  was having the same difficulty. As I said before, I can't be certain. It
  was just something I was thinking about. I'm not at all surprised that
  Win2K and 98 didn't have any problem with your hardware. That's how
  they're made. That strength is also their biggest weakness. Overall
  compatability.
 
  Anyway, CD-RW's are not the same kind of CD hardware in that they 'read'
  somewhat differently. In some instances they won't read regular data
CD's
  because of the formatting. An example of this is a re-writable CD is a
  data CD that can only be read by the CD-RW that wrote the CD. A regular
  CDROM will not be able to read that format. I think this quirk goes both
  ways, although I could be mistaken.
 
  --
  Mark
  
  **  =/\=  No Penguins were harmed   | ICQ#27816299
  ** _||_ in the making of this |
  **  =\/=  message...| Registered Linux user #182496
  
 
  On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Paul wrote:
 
   what I forgot to mention is that when I built the computer 3 months
ago, a friend
   of my, a linux guru unstalled a copy of Mandrake for me and it was
working fine,
   since then he got rid of it and I installed win2k and win98 on a clean
"run..."
   RAM is PC100, brand new, major brand... no problems with athlons...
   (sigh) so frustrating... the only new thing that has changed since
that first
   installation of Mandrake is that I added a CD-RW drive which is now
the main boot
   CD drive...
  
   Abe wrote:
  
re-seating the ram is worth a shot but this problem shouldn't have
anything to
do with the amount of ram in the system.  I've got a machine with
256M that
installed 7.1 just fine.  My other box has 384M and it also
installed just
fine.
   
What kind of ram is it?  pc-100?  pc-133?  How new/old is it?  I've
read that
Athlon systems can be picky about older/generic ram.  I haven't had
any
problems with my generic ram though.
   
Try reseating the ram, try cleaning the connecting pins, make sure
the ram
modules are installed in order in the slots on the motherboard.
   
Good luck!
   
Abe
   
= Original Message From Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
It sounds like you've got yourself a hardware problem. While I
can't be
100% certain what exactly it is. At first glance though I see you
have a
HUGE amount of RAM. Just a thought though. Try taking one of those
128MB
chips out and then try the install again and see what happens. I'm
not
sure I can explain this craziness, I just have a feeling.

--
Mark
   

**  =/\=  No Penguins were harmed  | ICQ#27816299
** _||_ in the making of this|
**  =\/=  message...   | Registered Linux user
#182496
   


On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Paul wrote:

 hey all,
 just burned the CDs... boot with the first one, welcomed by a
'welcome'
 message, hit enter... it's scanning SCSI stuff, CD-ROM, then it's
says it's
 loading second stage RAMDISK, it reaches the end, and the error
message
 pops up: error loading RAMDISK... and I get a blinking cursor at
the
 bottom... :(
 they say Windoze is frustrating... sigh

 my specs:
 Athlon 750 (not Thunderbird)
 Abit KA7
 256MB RAM
 Win2k(24GB), Win98(2GB) Partitions, 4GB unPartitioned
 PioneerDVD 10x, Creative 

Re: [newbie] VCD player?

2000-09-05 Thread Goldenpi

What is a VCD?

- Original Message - 
From: Lovister LJ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:42 PM
Subject: [newbie] VCD player?


 I need a program to play VCD's".dat" files.
 
 
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Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Goldenpi

By asking the school IT teacher :-) But not even he could get redhat to run
above 648x480. And he has just designed and upgraded the entire schools
network to use firer optics, so he should know what he is doing..

- Original Message -
From: Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 7:10 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!


 patrick wrote:
 
  Mark Weaver wrote:
 
   No, you have to read, Read, READ, before you do an install. that way
you
   can do the expert install and you have total control over everything
that
   you're doing during the install.
  
 
  read the instructions. is there anybody out there that has really read
the
  instructions. when i first installed Mandrake, it took me hours to get
  it right, mainly because of the monitor and video card problems. but
  do people actually read the instructions. wow.

 Hi Patrick,

 And yes, there are those of us who the first time they take on
 installing Linux actually sit down and read the instructions on
 partitioning, and the like. How else are you supposed to know what
 you're doing if you don't?
 --
 Mark






[newbie] Mass directory delete

2000-09-05 Thread Vic

Hi

I need to delete a bunch of directories called .xvpics that has
somehow got scattered all over my system (I don't know how)
I don't want these dirs in there, they take up space, and I
want them gone.

What is the correct command to do a mass dir erase without
the shell beanhatching about "that is a directory" crap?

I just want to know what to type in to make it do as I tel it
and erase all these little stupid useless directories.

Thanks




Re: [newbie] Sound card?

2000-09-05 Thread patrick

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, you wrote:
 I am running Linux 7.1 and am shopping for a sound card. Any suggestions as
 to which one to pick???
 
 Thanks,
 Chris Kelly
 Registered Linux user 185775


i would recommend a sound blaster . i have even found a 
place in austin that sells used ones(guaranteed) for $50


i think sound blaster is the definately the way to go.




Re: [newbie] ISP

2000-09-05 Thread patrick

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, you wrote:
 - Original Message - 
 From: "Mark Weaver" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 1:33 PM
 Subject: Re: [newbie] ISP
 
 
  Adrian,
  
  If you want to get a non-winmodem you'd better hurry up and get one
  cause I think there's but one company left making them. I hear that soon
  there won't be any. I believe 3Com/USRobotics is still making them, but
  for how much longer is a mystery.
  
 
 Mark 
Where did you get this mis-information?
3Com has said that the will stop making modens but there will still
 be many companies  making hardware modems.
Actiontec
Zoom
Hayes
Best Data 
Pace
Various multis such as Creative and Diamond. 
 And these I,m listing just off the top of my head.
 
Charles  :-)



i have a creative blaster, external, i hope they're not going
out of business. what would happen to my soundlblaster.

  :)


i just love Linux. i even have a little penguin on my desk, do u ?





Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all

2000-09-05 Thread patrick

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, you wrote:
 Hmm, I was wondering about that.  I reduced the processor speed, however,
 with no visible effect.  The thing is overclocked.  Maybe I'll do both.
 - Original Message -
 From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 11:03 AM
 Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.1 doesn't install at all
 
 
 : On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, pablito wrote:
 :
 : Mandrake 7.1 doesn't install as either graphics or text install.  On text
 : install I get the following error "segmentation fault - seems like memory
 is
 : missing as the install crashes".  This is just after it finds the scsi
 card
 : and disks.  On graphics install I get a divide by zero error at the
 package
 : selection state.  I have tried making a boot disk with no difference.  I
 : have not tried copying the files on the CD to a partition on the hard
 disk
 : and installing from that.
 :
 : Perhaps a good idea to set the speed of your RAM down. I have heard that
 : this helps in problem cases like this.
 :
 : Paul
 :
 : --
 : Suppose you were an idiot...
 : And suppose you were a member of Congress...
 : But I repeat myself.
 : -Mark Twain
 :
 : http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 - Registered Linux User 174403
 :   -=PINE 4.21 on Linux Mandrake 7.1=-
 :
 :

this may not help, but go through your bios and check out everything.
if u have sound built in, turn it off



 :




Re: [newbie] 7.2 beta

2000-09-05 Thread Ronald J. Hall

patrick wrote:
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  reasons i avoid betas and alphas, their more of a pain then the finished bug!
 
 can anybody give us some idea of the differences on 7.2 beta
 
 thanks pat

There was a posting about it on linuxtoday, lots of new stuff apparently, like
over 250 additional packages, as well as XFree v4.01 as standard if your video
card supports it. That, I can't wait for! ;-)

-- 
 
   /\
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   \/




Re: [newbie] Very simple question on Partitioning

2000-09-05 Thread Adrian Smith

Paul said:

Yes, you can point out the windows partition. If that does not occupy the
entire disk, then you're fine. If it does occupy the entire disk, I do not
know if you can resize the partition through diskdrake without losing
data, I have never done that. Perhaps someone else knows that?

so i say:

If diskdrake is what runs during the GUI install of Mandrake, then yes you can.  when 
i installed 7.0 i used that program to slice a 4G windoze drive into 
windoze/linux/swap.  and it all came out ok for me.  of course i have only done it 
that one time.  naturally, to do this you have to have X amount of free space to 
create a drive of X size.  i think it also helps to defrag the windoze drive before 
you go to cut it up.  i think they mention that in the instructions that come with 7.0



Adrian Smith
'de telepone dude
Telecom Dept.
x 7042
[EMAIL PROTECTED]






Re: [newbie] Mass directory delete

2000-09-05 Thread Larry Marshall


 I need to delete a bunch of directories called .xvpics that has somehow got 
scattered all over my system (I don't know how)

That's a control file of some sort.  My guess would be that it's created
by an xview app you run to view graphics.  It's unclear why you'd have
more than one of them though.

In any case rm -rf .xvpics will do what you want but it's dangerous as
the command will recursively remove the directory tree listed in the
command without any queries.  Don't make the mistake of doing 

rm -rf / home/me/.xvpics

as it'll remove everything from the / tree.

Cheers --- Larry




RE:[newbie] Mass directory delete

2000-09-05 Thread JOSE A MIRLES

Being a newbie myself, I can only guess but I believe the command to delete
directory without getting the crap is "rm -Rf .xvpics"



José A. Mirles




FW:Re: [newbie] 7.2 beta

2000-09-05 Thread JOSE A MIRLES

I would like to know what the problems are with the beta right now. Is it
using the 2.3 or 2.4test kernels?



José A. Mirles
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Date: Tue, 05 Sep 2000 16:32:52 -0400
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Ronald.J.Hall[darklord]@kih.net.inet
Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] 7.2 beta

patrick wrote:

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  reasons i avoid betas and alphas, their more of a pain then the finished bug!

 can anybody give us some idea of the differences on 7.2 beta

 thanks pat

There was a posting about it on linuxtoday, lots of new stuff apparently, like
over 250 additional packages, as well as XFree v4.01 as standard if your video
card supports it. That, I can't wait for! ;-)

--

   /\
   DarkLord
   \/





[newbie] darkxlord

2000-09-05 Thread patrick

   


 can i ask what your sig means

thanks pat




[newbie] LZH file

2000-09-05 Thread Anthony

How do I view a .lzh file? I was downloading some Dance Dance Revolution
(really really cool arcade game) movies, and I came across some that ended in
.lzh. I tried viewing them in GTV, but it didn't do anything. So what program
do I need to view lzh files?

-- 
Anthony
http://binaryfusion.net
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. 




Re: [newbie] Cannot get Version 7.1 Deluxe to install

2000-09-05 Thread Oliver L . Plaine Jr .

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:03:28 PDT,Dennis wrote:

Hi Mandrake Linux Help Desk,

I guess I must be one of a small minority who cannot get version 7.1 Deluxe 
to install on his/her PC. I have made three thorough attempts and all goes 
well until the final step where the X configuration test is done.
--
Tue, 5 Sep 2000  15:35:20

This is not really a Mandrake help desk Dennis, but rather a mail list
of users who voluntarily help one another, I am afraid you cannot get
your money back from us grin...

Obviously your install is bombing on a video anomaly, how
about trying a expert or a text install and try to get the video
working by setting it up manually? you will need to find the scan
rates etc on your monitor from your owners manual or from a web site,
but the chances of getting it to function are very good with the help
of the citizens on this list.

You are in the correct place to find help..good luck getting
it going...sometimes it is very hard to do, but that is why it is
fun8-)

Olly P
Biloxi
Mississippi




Re: [newbie] Mass directory delete

2000-09-05 Thread Anthony

You already got the second part answered, but I think the reason all those
.xvpics directories are in your folders is because The GIMP puts them there for
some reason. I noticed that too when I was uploading my website to my hoster,
and I was wondering why it was taking so long. From what I've seen, The GIMP
will put one of those directories into each directory in which you've opened or
saved a picture to. So if you have a picture in /home/bob/pictures, then GIMP
would create a .xvpics folder in /home/bob/pictures/.xvpics. I don't know why
it does that, or why it's .xvpics instead of .gimp or something, but I do know
what your talking about. 

 I need to delete a bunch of directories called .xvpics that has
 somehow got scattered all over my system (I don't know how)
 I don't want these dirs in there, they take up space, and I
 want them gone.
 
-- 
Anthony
http://binaryfusion.net
Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are. 




RE: [newbie] Help with Internet conection

2000-09-05 Thread carol

Hola Ricardo,
me parece estupendo que podamos escribirnos en español y que estés dispuesto
a echarme una mano con esto de la conexión que me tiene loca, llevo varios
dias dandole vueltas al asunto, y como soy muy cabezota, hasta que no lo
consiga no pararé, hasta sueño con cosas del ordenador y me levanto en medio
de la noche a seguir intentandolo. Jejeje.
Bueno, vamos al grano:
No uso Kppp, la verdad es que no se ni como se llama lo que uso. Desde la
línea de comandos le digo linuxconf, me sale lo que supongo que ya sabes,
voy a configuracion de red o algo así, ahora no me acuerdo muy bien de cómo
se llama, y entro en lo último de abajo, lo de ppp; ahí le pongo todos los
datos de que dispongo, nº al que llamar, nombre de usuario y password y
luego abajo le digo conect, siempre me sale o bien que no es posible, error
2 ó que ppp0 ha quedado corriendo aunque extrañamente ha tardado más de 15
segundos en ejecutarse el comando (esto lo dice así, literalmente). ¿Cómo sé
si estoy conectada a internet o no?
Intenté abrir una pagina con netscape pero imposible.
Otra cosa, yo conecto con eresmas (lo que antes era alehop, pertenece a
Retevision) el nº desde lanzarote es 1050928000123, nombre de usuario
050@alehop y password gratis, la puede usar todo el mundo. Lo que es curioso
es que nunca he tenido ni me han dicho qué DNS ponerle, en Windows siempre
hay que decirle que las pone el servidor, igual que la del usuario. O sea
que no es como con otras conexiones que he tenido, por ejemplo teleline,(de
la que aún continuo usando el correo porque con alehop es webmail y no me
gusta, prefiero el pop3) en la que hay que ponerle las DNS del servidor, o
por lo menos una. De todas formas he mirado a ver qué DNS usa alehop o
eresmas que es lo mismo, a traves de winipcf en c:/windows (ya sabes, ¿no?).
La DNS del usuario es dinámica.
El modem es interno, lo he configurado con setserial, está en ttyS1, IRQ 3,
aunque yo lo había puesto en 9 y luego que me salía que se quedaba puesto en
2 que iba como dirigido hacia el 9, la verdad es que no entiendo mucho de
esto. De hecho estoy en ello, estoy intentando aprender Linux y todo lo que
pueda de informática porque  me encanta, si por mi fuera estaría las 24
horas con el ordenador. Incluso podría decir que me ha salvado la vida mi
descubrimiento, algo tardío, de la informática, ya te contaré otro día
porqué, ahora no que si no me enrrollo demasiado y no paro.
Creo que no tengo kppp en mi ordenador porque cuando pongo kppp en la línea
de comandos me dice command not found.
Voy a ver si lo encuentro por ahí por la red para bajarmelo. Lo que no sé es
como se instalan las cosas en linux, ya te digo no tengo ni idea, a ver si
me las apaño. Aunque si te apetece darme alguna pista te lo agradeceré
eternamente, :)
Hace poco compré una revista que traia linux mandrake, compre un disco duro
usado y lo instalé yo solita, cosa que hizo sentir muy bien, e instalé
linux, al principio no funcionaba, pero me puse a buscar informacion por la
red hasta que me di cuenta de que era cosa de la bios, cambié una cosilla y
funcionó, me puse supercontenta. Hacia tiempo que quería poner linux pero
como no tenia mucho espacio y no queria deshacerme aún de windows, por lo
menos no hasta que controle un poco mas linux, sobre todo lo de internet que
es de donde saco casi toda la información que necesito y para poder
comunicarme con algunas personas, lo demás me da más o menos igual, eso ya
se irá resolviendo poco a poco.
Cuando veo los equipazos que tiene la gente de la lista alucino,  deben de
pensar que mi ordenador es algo prehistorico, pero en el fondo a mi me
gusta, creo que al ser mas antiguo y mas lento, es todo mas dificil y por lo
tanto aprendes más. Ademas me da igual lo que les parezca yo lo quiero
muchisimo, vamos como que es casi lo único que poseo aparte de un coche todo
destartalado.
Bueno, me voy a 'callar' ya de una vez que si no al final de vas a
arrepentir de haberme escrito a mi directamente. Espero que no :(
Bueno, voy a dar un paseito por el ciberespacio a ver si encuentro al famoso
kppp y espero que la próxima vez que te escriba sea desde linux, aunque la
verdad es que lo dudo, dudo que me resulte tan fácil o tan rápido.
Un saludo desde Lanzarote, la isla de los volcanes,
Carol^
-Mensaje original-
De: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Enviado el: martes, 05 de septiembre de 2000 12:21
Para: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Asunto: Re: [newbie] Help with Internet conection


carol wrote:

 Hi everybody,
 I managed to make my modem work, I think ??
 I've been trying to connect to the internet for a couple of days but it's
 been impossible.

 I wanted to be able to solve this by myself, but obviously I can't so at
the
 end I've decided to ask you for some help. I would be really gratefull if
 you did.
 I have a very old computer but it works ok in Windows98, including the
 internet connection.

 - Pentium 133 mhz
 - 2 hard drives of 1'2 Gig. each (one has W98 and the other L.M. 7.0 (Air)
 

Re: [newbie] re: mandrake 7.02 problems

2000-09-05 Thread Alan Shoemaker

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 I have a very simple question about mandrake 7.02 and am embarrassed to have to ask 
it but here goes.  After installing successfully (I thought)and rebooting for the 
first time I tried to configure my rc.local file for ip chains.
 
 First off there was no ip chains or rc.local.  Did I do something wrong on my 
install?
 
 Anyway I finally got on the net and installed ipchains but I don't know how to setup 
a file to start at boot up.(embarrassing)
 
 
 
 Get your own free email account from
 http://www.popmail.com

freemanit depends on what you want ipchains to do.  If it
is to allow the machines on a lan to all access the internet
through one gateway machine then you need to set up
IP-Masquerading.  If so start at the below URL:

http://www.mandrakeuser.org/connect/cipc.html

But if it is to set up a firewall then you can get a script
that does that for you at the below URL:

http://www.pointman.org/PMFirewall/

Alan




RE: [Re: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]]

2000-09-05 Thread Jason Pierce

With the release of the 760 chip from AMD, Athlons will use DDRAM.

Jason Pierce


*** REPLY SEPARATOR  ***

On 09|04|2000| at 07|55 PM| Abe wrote:

Ras far as I know there are no athlon motherboards that actually can use
RDRAM.
R From my research I'm pretty sure that RDRAM is Intels and Rambus's baby
and 
Reven Intel is having second thoughts.  AMD's web site recommends high
quality 
Rpc-100 or pc-133 ram.
R
R
RAbe
R
R= Original Message From Jaguar [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
RSome of the sites I have seen/read suggest that an Athlon runs happier
with
RRDRam
RAnother $0.02 worth...:)
RJaguar
R
R"Ronald J. Hall" [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
R Abe wrote:
R 
R  I'm running mandrake 7.1 on a Duron 600 with ASUS A7V motherboard.
I did
Rthe
R  install myself.  7.1 installed perfectly on my system.  Perhaps it
is the
RAbit
R  board that is causing the problems?  The other possible issue is
power
Rsupply
R  and RAM.  The Athlon series want a high quality 300w power supply
and AMD
R  recommends that you use new ram in conjunction with these chips.
I'm
Rusing
R  pc-100 ram that is about a year old in my system and I haven't had
any
R  problems.
R 
R  Good luck!
R 
R  Abe
R
R Hi Abe. I have a question, even though its not quite related to this
Rmessage
R thread. Its about that RAM speed rating you mentioned. Is it okay to
use
RPC-100
R with a fast Athlon system? Somebody told me I'd have to dump the RAM
I'm
Rusing
R with my current K6-III/475mhz, if I upgraded to an Athlon.
(bottleneck)
R
R Thanks for any info!
R
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Re: [newbie] Cannot get Version 7.1 Deluxe to install

2000-09-05 Thread patrick

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, you wrote:
 On Tue, 05 Sep 2000 10:03:28 PDT,Dennis wrote:
 
 Hi Mandrake Linux Help Desk,
 
 I guess I must be one of a small minority who cannot get version 7.1 Deluxe 
 to install on his/her PC. I have made three thorough attempts and all goes 
 well until the final step where the X configuration test is done.
 --
 Tue, 5 Sep 2000  15:35:20
 
 This is not really a Mandrake help desk Dennis, but rather a mail list
 of users who voluntarily help one another, I am afraid you cannot get
 your money back from us grin...
 
   Obviously your install is bombing on a video anomaly, how
 about trying a expert or a text install and try to get the video
 working by setting it up manually? you will need to find the scan
 rates etc on your monitor from your owners manual or from a web site,
 but the chances of getting it to function are very good with the help
 of the citizens on this list.
 
   You are in the correct place to find help..good luck getting
 it going...sometimes it is very hard to do, but that is why it is
 fun8-)


besides all the fun of not getting linux running it is also a source
of some frustration :)




 
 Olly P
 Biloxi
 Mississippi




Re: [newbie] Cannot get Version 7.1 Deluxe to install

2000-09-05 Thread Alan Shoemaker

TallD CU2 wrote:
[snip]
 I am installing the program on a Maxtor 8.4 GB hard drive as a virgin
 installation, allowing Mandrake Linux to do an ?automatic? install. I run my
 PC using a ?rack? system, that is, all my ?boot? drives are mounted in rack
 inserts so I can run any operating system I want to, putting each system
 (Win98, Win2000, etc.) exclusively on its very own boot hard drive.
[snip]

Dennisskip the test.

Alan




Re: [newbie] VCD player?

2000-09-05 Thread ZeynalBandari

vcd stands for video cd. it's made of ripped movie n sound files from dvd.
it contains the movie file as *.dat instead of mpeg. a vcd is usualy viewable on 
common dvd players. 
if u have a fast connection (T1 or higher) , there r plenty of them to download from 
irc networks. good quality sometimes too :) 



[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 What is a VCD?
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Lovister LJ [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 6:42 PM
 Subject: [newbie] VCD player?
 
 
  I need a program to play VCD's".dat" files.
  
  
  Thanks in advance.
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Re: [newbie] Cannot get Version 7.1 Deluxe to install

2000-09-05 Thread Alan Shoemaker

TallD CU2 wrote:
[snip]
 I am installing the program on a Maxtor 8.4 GB hard drive as a virgin
 installation, allowing Mandrake Linux to do an ?automatic? install. I run my
 PC using a ?rack? system, that is, all my ?boot? drives are mounted in rack
 inserts so I can run any operating system I want to, putting each system
 (Win98, Win2000, etc.) exclusively on its very own boot hard drive.
[snip]

Dennisin an earlier message I said to skip the test. 
Also, do not use the 4.0 version of XF86, use the 3.3.6
version.

Alan




RE: [newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100

2000-09-05 Thread webmaster

You may dl Gentus from their website, www.gentus.com

ABIT also has a comparison chart for the differences between 1.0, 2.0, and
3.0

/LT

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Doug McGarrett
Sent: Monday, September 04, 2000 3:05 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [newbie] Athlon thunderbird  ka7-100


There's a review in (or linked from, I forget which) LWN--Linux
Weekly News--by theDukeofURL about running Abit's Gentus Linux,
ver 3.0, on a KA7-100 board.  Apparently the installation went
reasonably smoothly.  I'll find out for myself pretty soon--I
just bought one of those  boards, and it came with a disk marked
ABIT GL6.2E.  I hope this is the latest release, (3.0) but I
don't know. The newest files are dated April 2000.

According to the Duke, the Gentus is based on Rawhide.  Does
anybody know when Rawhide came out?

There is an ABIT website, but it says nothing about Linux that
I could find.

Best of luck.  If you find out anything I haven't mentioned,
please pass it on to me.




At 12:24 09/03/2000 -0700, you wrote:
I built an Athlon system about 3-4 months ago and started out with the Abit
motherboard which would NOT work even after trying 2 different boards.  I
switched to Asus K7V and it works great!  I haven't really heard anything
good about the onboard ATA100 nor abit for Athlon.  My system is as
follows:

Asus K7V
Athlon 700
Matrox G400
SoundBlaster live
512 MB RAM
2x 20 hdd's
Win2k pro, server, Win98, Linux-Mandrake 7.1, and have had Suse 7.0 loaded
all at the same time without problems.

Mike


Has anyone managed to get any distro to work with an AMD Athlon Thunderbird
 an Abit KA7-100 motherboard ? machine runs windows NT fine, installs
Redhat, but it fails with a kernel panic when trying to start for the first
time, Gentus Linux ( rebadged Redhat supplied with the motherboard) would
not even complete the installation and Caldera wouldn't install
(fortunately
it failed quickly :). The machine is not overclocked.







Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Paul



Did you just install mandrake? Also, they files you can't see, are
they on a non primary partition?
_

"John I. Azeke" wrote:

I
was looking at some of my windows 98 mpeg files under L. Mandrake 7.1 yesterday
and when I rebooted the computer into windows, The partition of windows
that contains all of my personal files was gone! Confused, I went
back into Mandrake and the partition was still present with all information.
I don't know why I can't see it under Windows.When
Mandrake is performing its shut down sequence, There is a FAIL on "stopping
identd services"I
have tried:1) detecting
new harware under windows... No Good2)
unmounting the drive under Linux before restarting... No GoodCan
anyone help me?





Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Dacia and AzureRose

hahahahahahaha!!

Thanks for the laugh Mark.


Dacia
--- Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Abe wrote:
  
  he's the best auto mechanic in the world why
 shouldn't he be able to fix my
  VCR
  
  = Original Message From "Goldenpi"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
  By asking the school IT teacher :-) But not even
 he could get redhat to run
  above 648x480. And he has just designed and
 upgraded the entire schools
  network to use firer optics, so he should know
 what he is doing..
  
 
 An NT geek has no idea what to do with a REAL OS.
 There's not "Reboot"
 button. They get confused!
 -- 
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Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Paul

"John Azeke (Big John)" wrote:

 I have 2 hard drives.  One has Mandrake installed on it.  The other has 2
 windows partitions (C and D).  Windows is installed onto the C: Drive and
 D: has all of my personal windows files.

  On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, Mark Weaver
 wrote:

  Ok...first question. Is this "partition" we're talking about on a seperate
  drive from the one that contains your windows installation? I'm assuming,
  of course, that this is the case. At any rate, if you can see the files
  and the partition for that matter while running Mandrake then they're
  still and haven't been deleted. And Linux hasn't moved them. For what ever
  reason though Windows can no longer see this partition.
 
  If you can move the files to another drive. Preferably the partition which
  contains your Windows installation and we'll go from there.
 
  --
  Mark
  
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  On Sun, 3 Sep 2000, John I. Azeke wrote:
 
   I was looking at some of my windows 98 mpeg files under L. Mandrake 7.1 
yesterday and when I rebooted the computer into windows, The partition of windows 
that contains all of my personal files was gone!  Confused, I went back into Mandrake 
and the partition was still present with all information.  I don't know why I can't 
see it under Windows.
  
   When Mandrake is performing its shut down sequence, There is a FAIL on "stopping 
identd services"
  
   I have tried:
   1) detecting new harware under windows... No Good
   2) unmounting the drive under Linux before restarting... No Good
  
   Can anyone help me?
  
  
 
 

If you recently installed Mandrkae 7.1, there is something of a "bug" where it will 
hide your non-linux extended partitions from windows.  To remedy this, download a perl 
script from here ( http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/heliumlast.php3 ).  Look for the 
second install problem listed and follow directions.  Let me know if this helped.

-Paul R.


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RE: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Abe

and there we have it.

As an interesting aside, I'm enrolled in a Cisco network engineer program at 
my local community college.  I bought my first text book which is an A+ 
Certification book.  As I was browsing through the table of contents I was 
shocked to see that apparently only DOS, win 3.x, win9x and NT constitute 
operating systems that run on x86 processors that are all made by Intel.
even funnier was the heading for the NT section:

The Ultimate Solution: Windows NT

I laughed my self silly.  I use NT at work and if it is the ultimate solution 
we need to ask a much better question.

Abe


= Original Message From Mark Weaver [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Abe wrote:

 he's the best auto mechanic in the world why shouldn't he be able to fix my
 VCR

 = Original Message From "Goldenpi" [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
 By asking the school IT teacher :-) But not even he could get redhat to 
run
 above 648x480. And he has just designed and upgraded the entire schools
 network to use firer optics, so he should know what he is doing..
 

An NT geek has no idea what to do with a REAL OS. There's not "Reboot"
button. They get confused!
--
Mark

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[newbie] RE: [expert] Dual Athlon Processors

2000-09-05 Thread Abe

Its true, 3dfx's linux support for all of their products is excellent.  They 
recently open sourced Glide!  I have been very very pleased with my 3dfx 
purchases both voodoo2 and voodoo5.  The image quality made by their products 
is exceptional in both windows and linux.  I cannot recommend their products 
highly enough.


Abe


= Original Message From Anton Graham [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
Submitted 04-Sep-00 by Asheesh Laroia:

 What about the latest NVidia chip?  Reviews I've read
 (www.tomshardware.com) say they're faster.

Until they stop providing binary-only drivers, no Nvidia chip is going to
see the inside of a box I build.  Linux support for both the Voodoo series
and for SB-Live! is phenominal.  The reason for this is the open source
drivers.  The original driver from Creative sucked.  Might as well have not
had sound.  Within a month of it being open sourced, quality was up to the
standards people expected of the card.

A binary only driver locks you into a particular kernel version as well.
OSS gets around this by recompiling everything everytime there is a new
kernel release (2.2 series).  But look at the poor souls who had Aureal
sound cards and depended on binary only drivers for them when Aureal went
out of business.  I'm not suggesting that NVidia is in danger of bankrupcy.
I am suggesting that you're going to be screwed if they decide to stop
updating the drivers.

--
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] RSA key available upon request

"First things first -- but not necessarily in that order"
  -- The Doctor, "Doctor Who"

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Allah forgives, 
Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.





[newbie] DVD player

2000-09-05 Thread Paul

Now, I know there's been a lot of trouble with getting DVD's to play on
Linux.  Anybody have any clue how it's done?

-Paul R.


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RE: [newbie] Linux4Win - never again

2000-09-05 Thread Abe

win98 is the best damn over glorified nintendo I have encountered yet.  And 
that is about all I can say for it.


= Original Message From Jason Ashman [EMAIL PROTECTED] =
On Thu, 31 Aug 2000, you wrote:
 95 makes 98 look like solid gold.  hahahahahahahahahahaha



 Abe

.
--
I think both are the equivalent of pesos, worth nothing in the real world!


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http://www.mrsnooky.com

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Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Mark Weaver

Dacia and AzureRose wrote:
 
 hahahahahahaha!!
 
 Thanks for the laugh Mark.
 
 Dacia

;-)

no problem.
-- 
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Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Ed Tharp

try "man fsck" (wid out da quotes, A'course)
- Original Message - 
From: "Paul" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 4:40 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!


 On Tue, 5 Sep 2000, Goldenpi wrote:
 
 Inetd has nothing to do with drives. It runs network services.
 
 I expect running scandisk on the bad partition would fix it.
 Unfortunatly, you need windows to see the partition before you can use
 scandisk. Chicken and egg.
 
 Use the windows safety disk. Of course you have one.
 
 Paul
 
 --
 Suppose you were an idiot...
 And suppose you were a member of Congress... 
 But I repeat myself.
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[newbie] Quake2/kernel/sound/video/modem/boot help ;p

2000-09-05 Thread Greg M.



Hi everyone,

I recently installed Mandrake 7.0 on my Win98SE PC 
and I have a few q's.

1. I have a CL Live! Value sound card. 
It plays in KDE fine, with MP3's and the system sounds and the like. 
However, when playing Quake 2, the sound gets broken up and sounds like it is 
reverbing. I've tried messing with the audio menu, but nothing. One 
thing to note is I installed the latest CL emu10k1 drivers OVER the installed 
drivers (it worked from the get go, but didn't try Quake2 at that time). 
Is there anything I can do?? Check or whatever? I fixed the mouse in 
quake 2 by editing libvga.config.

2. In Quake 2, I can't get my Nvidia GeForce 
2 to work in hardware mode. It crashes back to console every time. I 
followed all the instructions on installing and configuring XFree86 4.0.1 and 
installed the nvidia drivers (instructions from 
linuxnewbie.org).However, I have no idea if Mesa was installed, or 
installed correctly. I know I didn't install it.The quake2 
readme says Ishould install the includedlibMesaGL.so.2.6, but I 
thought the drivers might be out of date or might mess up my nvidia driver 
installation (the GLX one).

3. The new 2.2.17 kernel just released.. 
Should i compile it, and what are the downfalls/good things about doing 
this? Does it fix anything, or will it mess something up?

4. How in the heck can I get my desktop to 
show the full desktop without running in a super high resolution? If I use 
800x600, I only see part of the desktop (and I don't like scrolling the screen 
to find stuff). The high res hurts my eyes (I run windows in 
800x600).

5. I have my system setup to boot linux only 
if I have my bootdisk in my A: drive. My hd was already partitioned past 
the 8 gig limit. Will this have any adverse effects upon my system? 
Also, can I burn the contents of the bootdisk to a cd and have it boot from my 
DVD-ROM drive?

6. In KDE, when I connect to the net and my 
modem icon goes to the "systray" area none of the icons will work. If i 
try to click on konsole, it won't come up. However, If I connect, change 
my theme, it will refresh the desktop, and my modem icon will disappear (still 
connected tho) and I can click on the icons.


WHEW!

I apologize about all the q's, but I'm a total 
newbie/moron to linux. I knew and still do know every little about how it 
runs, what config files do what, and how to configure things right.

Upfront thanks to anyone who wishes to 
help!

Thanks!!

Greg M.


Re: [newbie] LZH file

2000-09-05 Thread Carroll Grigsby

Anthony wrote:
 
 How do I view a .lzh file? I was downloading some Dance Dance Revolution
 (really really cool arcade game) movies, and I came across some that ended in
 .lzh. I tried viewing them in GTV, but it didn't do anything. So what program
 do I need to view lzh files?
 
 --
 Anthony
 http://binaryfusion.net
 Computers are not intelligent. They only think they are.
Anthony:
.lzh files are compressed files. The format has been around for a long
time, going back to the early MS-DOS period. I've never dealt with them
under Linux, but a brief search on Google for ".lzh linux" found several
Linux downloadable programs that should work: gutTAR, RAR and gzip. They
may even be in the Mandrake distribution. If not, try TuCows or
DaveCentral.
HTH
-- Carroll Grigsby




[newbie] Locale error when running Perl

2000-09-05 Thread emerald-arcana

When I run perl, I get warnings.  I don't know how to fix them.  Can anyone 
help me fix these?


$ perl -w
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = "en",
LC_ALL = "en",
LANG = "en"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). 

This is the output when I type 'locale' on the command line.

$ locale
LANG=en
LC_CTYPE="en"
LC_NUMERIC="en"
LC_TIME="en"
LC_COLLATE="en"
LC_MONETARY="en"
LC_MESSAGES="en"
LC_ALL=en  

As you can see, LANGUAGE is missing.  LANG and LC_ALL have en but it is not 
enclosed by quotes.  How can I fix this?

I live in Canada and plan to use English as my primary language (en).  I'm 
running Mandrake 7.0 and glibc 2.1.

Thank you!
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[newbie] Locale warnings when running perl 5.005

2000-09-05 Thread emerald-arcana

When I run perl, I get warnings.  I don't know how to fix them.  Can anyone 
help me fix these?


$ perl -w
perl: warning: Setting locale failed.
perl: warning: Please check that your locale settings:
LANGUAGE = "en",
LC_ALL = "en",
LANG = "en"
are supported and installed on your system.
perl: warning: Falling back to the standard locale ("C"). 

This is the output when I type 'locale' on the command line.

$ locale
LANG=en
LC_CTYPE="en"
LC_NUMERIC="en"
LC_TIME="en"
LC_COLLATE="en"
LC_MONETARY="en"
LC_MESSAGES="en"
LC_ALL=en  

As you can see, LANGUAGE is missing.  LANG and LC_ALL have en but it is not 
enclosed by quotes.  How can I fix this?

I live in Canada and plan to use English as my primary language (en).  I'm 
running Mandrake 7.0 and glibc 2.1.

Thank you!
-- 
--Arcana




[newbie] does anybody know

2000-09-05 Thread patrick



i have read that mandrake has an agreement of some kind
with sun to distribute suns office suite. does this exclude
mandrake from including koffice on its distribution. like
7.2

thanks pat




[newbie] HELP! Linux stole my windows partition!!!

2000-09-05 Thread Doug McGarrett

I hedged an answer yesterday.  It will probably work.  
But here's the scoop from the horse's mouth:


http://www.linux-mandrake.com/en/heliumlast.php3

Good luck.  --doug





Re: [newbie] HardDrake and WebCam

2000-09-05 Thread Larry Marshall


 well this is when search engines come in handy, check out cnet, cnet, tucows, etc. 
you may find some free programs! also some programs you already have may

This brings up something I scratch my head over.  Have I just overlooked
it or is there no list of the programs that come with Mandrake and/or
Red Hat releases?  

Cheers --- Larry




Re: [newbie] it won't install :(

2000-09-05 Thread Larry Marshall


 I know what you mean...I'm hoping that some of this is addressed in Mandrake 7.2.

Truth is, as bad as Windoze is, it's spoiled us.  Unix has always been
the superior OS but Microsoft knew what problems most people needed
solving and in a standalone environment they did pretty well at
eliminating all the technical stuff from the "desktop."  While I might
moan about all the installation "stuff" of Linux, Mandrake (and Red Hat
for that matter) are a darn sight easier to deal with than when I was
installing SunOS and applications on a Sparcstation.  No RPMS there.  No
plug-n-play device managers.  Just tarballs and vi.  

If there's a difference with Linux it's that I've now got friends who
want to get into Linux and it's a tough pill to swallow, regardless of
all its virtues.  There are days when chasing down 'how tos' puts a sour
taste in my mouth.  Then Windows crashes...again...and I feel better :-)

 And you are correct in what you've said about the CD-RW, but that's something that 
most don't know about. I know of 

Yes, they do seem to be that "mysterious" device that looks too much
like a floppy with more space :-)

 thinking that he would be able to use this CD-RW like he used the floppy drive on 
his machine. It took a little while for me to explain that it just didn't work that 
way. There 

True...especially when dealing with the RW disks.

 used in order for him to even be able to use the hardware in a normal fashion with 
"recordable" Cd's. I myself really prefer the Recordables as opposed the re-writable 
CDROM's. Much simpler.

You betcha!  In the Windows world I have two RW disks that I use for
daily backups.  Other than that, everything is on closed CD-Rs as I want
the stuff available if I'm working with a minimal system.

As long as we're talking about this, what do you use in the Linux world
for CD-R management?  I finally got Gtoaster to work but it doesn't seem
to figure out (and report) what the total size of the files I want put
onto a disk is and whether they will fit.  That seems a bit odd to me. 
Is there something better?

Cheers --- Larry




[newbie] Module Help

2000-09-05 Thread ANTTrunken

I was trying to install a module today for my winmodem and when i try to 
install it it says Init_module:device is busy. i tried reinstalling to see if 
it was because i installed it wrong or sumthing, but it still wouldnmt work. 
does anyone know why it would be like that?




Re: [newbie] Modem Problems

2000-09-05 Thread John A. MacLaughlin

On Monday, September 04, 2000 7:36 PM, "Carroll Grigsby"
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
speaking of external modems wrote in part,

. In addition to the guaranteed compatibility with any operating system,
 you get all those neat flashing lights.


Those neat flashing lights are a lot of what I loved about my Hayes
Smartmodem 300.  Nowadays the only neat flashing lights I have
are on my NICs.  When you see me looking at them you may be
sure I have run out of hair to pull out.







[newbie] Sound Card

2000-09-05 Thread ANTTrunken

I tried to configure my Sound Card a couple of times this week and cant seem 
to gte it to work unkless i use the OSS that comes on the applications CD. 
Does anyone know if theres a way to get a C-Media Inc Plug n Play SB16 Audio 
Device?




Re: [newbie] HardDrake and WebCam

2000-09-05 Thread Robin Regennitter

yeah  I have tried the search engine, tucows, download.com, and coutless
others.  I did find one on quickcam but it's only for parallel.  mine is USB
Quickcam Express and it's not currently being supported yet.  They're
working on it I guess.  Well   I'll just have to hang loose until whenever
it get supported.

Thanks for replying.

Rob

- Original Message -
From: Larry Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2000 5:14 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] HardDrake and WebCam



  well this is when search engines come in handy, check out cnet, cnet,
tucows, etc. you may find some free programs! also some programs you already
have may

 This brings up something I scratch my head over.  Have I just overlooked
 it or is there no list of the programs that come with Mandrake and/or
 Red Hat releases?

 Cheers --- Larry






RE: [[newbie] Athlon thunderbird ka7-100]

2000-09-05 Thread Abe

yep and that is also why people can overclock their RAM  CPU's without out 
right destroying them.  The hard ware tends to be rated conservatively because 
it will last longer if it is used at less then 100% of capacity.





= Original Message From "John A. MacLaughlin" [EMAIL PROTECTED] =

 . . . they make ram and the really good stuf gets rated at 133 and the
less
 great stuf gets rated at 100.  Initially pc-100 ram was really high
quality
 pc-66 ram.  . . .


That's how they get the faster CPU's too.

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Allah forgives, 
Chthulu thinks you'd make a nice sandwich.





Re: [newbie] OT: Ulysses?

2000-09-05 Thread frank

On Tue, 05 Sep 2000, Philomena put to word:
 um, Mark - I think Damien was referencing the "Ulysses" name, not
 "beta"  :-) , hence the literary hint of the Irish author James Joyce who
 wrote "Ulysses"

and that book, an internal parallel to the exiled wanderer of homer's 
tale...so yes the reference is likely to the earlier...perhaps picked to 
herald mandrake's moving more widely through the world's markets...either 
that or one of the programmers has a cat by that name...

frank
---




RE: [newbie] 7.2 beta

2000-09-05 Thread Mike Tracy Holt





On Mon, 04 Sep 2000, Mike  Tracy Holt put to word:
 7.2 is pretty good, lots of good improvements.  On 'upgrade' from 7.1 it
 didn't do so well; wasn't able to detect my network after the upgrade,
 couldn't setup my printer from the installer (which I've never been able
to
 do) and a few other minor details.  When I did the fresh install however,
 it DID recognize my network and even had a driver/filter for my printer!
 (Epson 860 on the USB port).  On the downside, kde needs LOTS of work
 (wouldn't close 'x' without ctrl-alt-backspace) and sound doesn't work out
 of the box though the correct modules were configured and are being
loaded.
 Overall, there are some awesome new features - I would call it more of an
 'alpha' release at this stage though.

hmmm...sound, printer, network, etc. all working fine here...and no trouble
closing kde either...mileage does vary...

frank
-

Yeah, I've noticed that to be true.  At any rate however, I believe that
there is still a LOT of work to be done seeing that 7.1 and below have
worked fine on this same box (pretty standard hardware).

Mike





Re: [newbie] Modem Problems

2000-09-05 Thread Kathleen Dickason

I am also a fan of das blinkenlights. :)

I even know what some of them are for, at least on my Modem Blaster.  Scary!
;)

Kathleen

"John A. MacLaughlin" wrote:

 On Monday, September 04, 2000 7:36 PM, "Carroll Grigsby"
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 speaking of external modems wrote in part,
 
 . In addition to the guaranteed compatibility with any operating system,
  you get all those neat flashing lights.
 

 Those neat flashing lights are a lot of what I loved about my Hayes
 Smartmodem 300.  Nowadays the only neat flashing lights I have
 are on my NICs.  When you see me looking at them you may be
 sure I have run out of hair to pull out.





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