Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 16:35, Russ wrote:
> It appears that my card will work just fine then. I'll give it a go. If I
> run into any snags I will give you all a shout.
> 
> I gave up trying to fix KDE after I broke it uninstalling CUPS. I have
> figured out some other things I didn't do correctly so I am going to redo
> the whole shootin match this weekend.
> 
> As a side note, How do you uninstall Lilo from a disk?
> 
> Thanks
> Russ
> 

lilo -u

That removes lilo from your MBR or wherever you installed it mate!

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Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Russ]

It appears that my card will work just fine then. I'll give it a go. If I
run into any snags I will give you all a shout.

I gave up trying to fix KDE after I broke it uninstalling CUPS. I have
figured out some other things I didn't do correctly so I am going to redo
the whole shootin match this weekend.

As a side note, How do you uninstall Lilo from a disk?

Thanks
Russ

- Original Message -
From: "Steve Jeppesen" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 6:50 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Video Card


> I have the same exact card and it has no problems what so ever in linux.
> And I too purchased it for T2...but now I am addicted to Bzflags!  LOL
>
> Follow the instructions on the nvidia site for installing the drivers
> for it and you shouldn't have any problems.  If you do, write back and
> we can help ya out.
>
> Good Luck/
>
> On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:49:45 -0800
> "Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have a NVidia Geforce 2 64 meg card.
> >
> > I have to get anther card for another of my computers. I thought about
> > getting one that is more compatible with Linux and putting it in this
> > machine and putting the Geforce 2 in the other. Can anyone recommend a
> > comparable card that does good with games as well?
> >
> > I purchased this Geforce2 card specifically so I could play Tribes 2.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Russ



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Re: [newbie] alsa ? or sound (OSS?)

[Chuck Burns]

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On Sat, January 25 2003 1:57 am, Pupeno wrote:
> I see that if I run alsa OR sound at start up, the sound works, by default
> it was running both but I'll prefeer not to run things I don't need (I have
> enough other things that I need). Which one should I run ? what are de
> advantages of one over another ?
> Thanks.

I would run the ALSA script, because the latest alsa supports something OSS 
Compatibility, so even apps that don't use the ALSA driver, will still work 
with the 'standard' oss driver included with the ALSA stuff.

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Re: [newbie] OpenSource AutoCad for Linux?

[Carroll Grigsby]

Chad:
A good suggestion. From what I saw on their website, this could well be a good 
solution for simple tasks. I also noticed that QCad is derived from a 
commercial CNC package (CAM Expert) that might be attractive to tool and die 
shops, and similar operations that do NC machining. Since that area is 
outside of my area of expertise, I'll leave it to someone else to pass 
judgment.
-- cmg


On Friday 24 January 2003 11:34 am, Chad wrote:
> Another one that bears a little consideration is QCAD.  I found that for
> most basic drafting / drawing tasks, it does the job fairly well.
>
> It can be found at:  www.qcad.org
>
> Chad
>
>
> Quoting Lyvim Xaphir <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>
>  On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:11, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
>
>  
>
>  > only promising candidate that I found was Varicad
>  > (http://www.varicad.com/en/main.php). I didn't do much with it beyond
>
>  > -- cmg
>
>  So, do you suggest putting Varicad to the sword or do you think that
>  there is some hope for it?  I *was* kinda thinking about checking it
>  out, but I'm not so sure anymore...
>
>  LX



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Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:46, Richard Ingram wrote:

> Could get a PCI version ? I am thinking of doing that so I can use two
> monitors for S/W development and debug on same machine.
> 
> Richard.
> 

Sure - but the PCI is going to be slower than the AGP (not that a human
would truly notice the difference) - but yeah - you could have two
monitors going so that you could multitask better - watch porn on one
monitor and hack out code on the other...(g)

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Re: [newbie] OpenSource AutoCad for Linux?

[Carroll Grigsby]

On Friday 24 January 2003 10:53 am, Lyvim Xaphir wrote:
> On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:11, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
>
> 
>
> > only promising candidate that I found was Varicad
> > (http://www.varicad.com/en/main.php).
>
> <>
>
> > -- cmg
>
> So, do you suggest putting Varicad to the sword or do you think that
> there is some hope for it?  I *was* kinda thinking about checking it
> out, but I'm not so sure anymore...
>
> LX

LX:

I installed the latest demo version today from the Commercial Applications CD2 
in 9.0 PowerPack. First off, this demo looks a lot more impressive than the 
earlier one. I tried some simple stuff with it. It was slow going, but that 
was mostly because Varicad is _not_ an AutoCAD clone. It has a different 
interface, different terminology, different everything. I plan to give it 
some more time over the weekend, and we'll see what happens. Here's my take 
so far:

1. While $399 for the software, $99 for a one year upgrade subscription, and 
$99 for a printed manuals (w/CD-ROM) isn't a lot of money in the context of 
3D design and drafting packages, it's far more than I'm willing to pay just 
to satisfy my curiosity.

2. As installed, Varicad is strongly Eurocentric, but there does seem to be 
support for ANSI standards. (No flames, please. I'm talking about 
presentation here 3rd angle vs 1st angle, formatting and presentation of 
dimensions, hatching conventions, etc. Metric vs inch is off-topic.)

3. Varicad is 3D-based, and that's A Very Good Thing. In other words, the 
design process starts by building a solid model from which the 2D drawings 
are derived later. That is a critical feature for designing complex parts 
such as molded plastic components, castings, and sheet metal bits, but the 
productivity gain comes at the price of a very steep learning curve.

4. Varicad doesn't do a lot of things: buildings, architectural design, 
kitchen remodels, plant layouts, mapping, piping, etc., but it does do 
mechanical design, and that's fine with me.

5. Minor glitch: Doing solids requires a minimum of a 16mb video card with 
OpenGL support, and my Matrox G200 Millennium isn't up to that. Seems OK with 
the 2D stuff. (FWIW, I can do AutoCAD solids on this rig. Don't ask.)

6. I couldn't find any reference to a mailing list or forum at their website. 
Not good.

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Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Richard Ingram]

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From: "Stephen Kuhn" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "Mandrake Newbie" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 9:25 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Video Card


> On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:19, Dennis Myers wrote:
> > On Friday 24 January 2003 07:49 pm, Russ wrote:
> > > Hi All,
> > >
> > > I have a NVidia Geforce 2 64 meg card.
> > >
> > > I have to get anther card for another of my computers. I thought about
> > > getting one that is more compatible with Linux and putting it in this
> > > machine and putting the Geforce 2 in the other. Can anyone recommend a
> > > comparable card that does good with games as well?
> > >
> > > I purchased this Geforce2 card specifically so I could play Tribes 2.
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > Russ
> > I also use a GeForce 2 card and have no problems, in fact I am thinking
of
> > getting another for my other computer, just so I don't have to switch to
play
> > UT2003
>
> ...too bad there ain't 2 AGP slots on the motherboard - I wouldn't mind
> having two...(and no, I don't want to do the TV out crap)

Could get a PCI version ? I am thinking of doing that so I can use two
monitors for S/W development and debug on same machine.

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Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 14:19, Dennis Myers wrote:
> On Friday 24 January 2003 07:49 pm, Russ wrote:
> > Hi All,
> >
> > I have a NVidia Geforce 2 64 meg card.
> >
> > I have to get anther card for another of my computers. I thought about
> > getting one that is more compatible with Linux and putting it in this
> > machine and putting the Geforce 2 in the other. Can anyone recommend a
> > comparable card that does good with games as well?
> >
> > I purchased this Geforce2 card specifically so I could play Tribes 2.
> >
> > Thanks
> > Russ
> I also use a GeForce 2 card and have no problems, in fact I am thinking of 
> getting another for my other computer, just so I don't have to switch to play 
> UT2003

...too bad there ain't 2 AGP slots on the motherboard - I wouldn't mind
having two...(and no, I don't want to do the TV out crap)

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Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Dennis Myers]

On Friday 24 January 2003 07:49 pm, Russ wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I have a NVidia Geforce 2 64 meg card.
>
> I have to get anther card for another of my computers. I thought about
> getting one that is more compatible with Linux and putting it in this
> machine and putting the Geforce 2 in the other. Can anyone recommend a
> comparable card that does good with games as well?
>
> I purchased this Geforce2 card specifically so I could play Tribes 2.
>
> Thanks
> Russ
I also use a GeForce 2 card and have no problems, in fact I am thinking of 
getting another for my other computer, just so I don't have to switch to play 
UT2003
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[newbie] Mandrake orders on the web store

[Dennis Myers]

For anyone who has not seen or heard the word is that the Mandrake store is 
finally getting cleaned up and the problems with orders are supposed to be 
solved. But, if you didn't get your order they say to email them and they 
will ship immediately or give you a refund, depending on your wishes.  A very 
positive statement on the club forum about the store, the club and the 
membership growth.  I like good news.  Hope everyone has their order by now, 
but let em know if you didn't.  Oh, I am not a Mandrake employee, I use two 
n's in my first name. :  )
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Re: [newbie] Installing InoculateIT

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 13:55, civileme wrote:
> Do you know how many viruses there are for linux?
> 
> 19
> 
> Do you know how many can propagate and infect root?
> 
> 0
> 
> Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but windows-centric thinking has led you 
> into purchasing Snake Oil.  Lycoris or Redmond linux would need this because 
> they manage to combine the worst features of linux (the difficulty ) with one 
> of the less desirable features of windows (lack of security).
> 
> To fight security problems update update update.  You never have to reboot on 
> an update--there is even a way now to activate a new kernel without rebooting 
> (but you replace/install rather than update a kernel).
> 
> Civileme

Besides, you can use RAV if you're running an email server, and f-prot
if you're running a Samba server - all to catch M$/Mac aimed bugs...but
definately a good thing!

...and if you've got a network with NO M$/Mac machines, well,
hellsbells, you don't really need anything 'cept for a good firewall and
a good spam killer!

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[newbie] alsa ? or sound (OSS?)

[Pupeno]

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I see that if I run alsa OR sound at start up, the sound works, by default it 
was running both but I'll prefeer not to run things I don't need (I have 
enough other things that I need). Which one should I run ? what are de 
advantages of one over another ?
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Re: Re: Re: Re: [newbie] X not starting at boot

[Pupeno]

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On Saturday 25 January 2003 01:52 am, Pupeno wrote:
> On Thursday 23 January 2003 03:56 pm, Adolfo Bello wrote:
> > On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:50, Adolfo Bello wrote:
> > > Do a:
> > > chkconfig --list dm
> > > It should show:
> > > dm  0:off  1:off  2:off  3:off  4:off  5:on  6:off
> > >
> > > If level 5 is off, turn it on with
> > > chkconfig --level 5 dm on
> >
> > Do the same for the X Font Server, i.e:
> > chkconfig --list xfs
> > And so on.
>
> Both are on:
> # chkconfig --list xfs
> xfs 0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off
> # chkconfig --list dm
> dm  0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:on6:off
> There seems to be more problems, with the autologin, so, I'll check that
> too.
Yes, the problem where autologin, now, solved.
It was trying to autologin to /home/pupeno instead of to pupeno, I don't know 
why, I changed that and I also disabled it because I didn't want it, where is 
that configured from the GUI ?
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Re: [newbie] Installing InoculateIT

[civileme]

On Friday 24 January 2003 11:29 am, Jody Cleveland wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I just got InoculateIT and am trying to install it in Mandrake 9. When I
> try to run the install it, I get an error message:
>
> Could not locate the CAIENF installation material.
>
> Does anyone out there have this?
>
> Sorry if this is off topic, but their support was not very good.
Do you know how many viruses there are for linux?

19

Do you know how many can propagate and infect root?

0

Sorry to be the bearer of bad news but windows-centric thinking has led you 
into purchasing Snake Oil.  Lycoris or Redmond linux would need this because 
they manage to combine the worst features of linux (the difficulty ) with one 
of the less desirable features of windows (lack of security).

To fight security problems update update update.  You never have to reboot on 
an update--there is even a way now to activate a new kernel without rebooting 
(but you replace/install rather than update a kernel).

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Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Steve Jeppesen]

I have the same exact card and it has no problems what so ever in linux.
And I too purchased it for T2...but now I am addicted to Bzflags!  LOL

Follow the instructions on the nvidia site for installing the drivers
for it and you shouldn't have any problems.  If you do, write back and
we can help ya out.

Good Luck/

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:49:45 -0800
"Russ" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Hi All,
> 
> I have a NVidia Geforce 2 64 meg card.
> 
> I have to get anther card for another of my computers. I thought about
> getting one that is more compatible with Linux and putting it in this
> machine and putting the Geforce 2 in the other. Can anyone recommend a
> comparable card that does good with games as well?
> 
> I purchased this Geforce2 card specifically so I could play Tribes 2.
> 
> Thanks
> Russ
> 
> 
> 


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Re: Re: Re: [newbie] X not starting at boot

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> On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:50, Adolfo Bello wrote:
> > Do a:
> > chkconfig --list dm
> > It should show:
> > dm  0:off  1:off  2:off  3:off  4:off  5:on  6:off
> >
> > If level 5 is off, turn it on with
> > chkconfig --level 5 dm on
>
> Do the same for the X Font Server, i.e:
> chkconfig --list xfs
> And so on.
Both are on:
# chkconfig --list xfs
xfs 0:off   1:off   2:on3:on4:on5:on6:off
# chkconfig --list dm
dm  0:off   1:off   2:off   3:off   4:off   5:on6:off
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Re: [newbie] Video Card

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 12:49, Russ wrote:
> Hi All,
> 
> I have a NVidia Geforce 2 64 meg card.
> 
> I have to get anther card for another of my computers. I thought about
> getting one that is more compatible with Linux and putting it in this
> machine and putting the Geforce 2 in the other. Can anyone recommend a
> comparable card that does good with games as well?
> 
> I purchased this Geforce2 card specifically so I could play Tribes 2.
> 
> Thanks
> Russ

What's not compatible about the NVidia GF2 64mb AGP card? The drivers
are there, the utils for tweaking it are there - MDK works happy with it
- what wrong with this card that you're chucking it for something else?

Sorry, but I love my NVidia...they're great cards!

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[newbie] Video Card

[Russ]

Hi All,

I have a NVidia Geforce 2 64 meg card.

I have to get anther card for another of my computers. I thought about
getting one that is more compatible with Linux and putting it in this
machine and putting the Geforce 2 in the other. Can anyone recommend a
comparable card that does good with games as well?

I purchased this Geforce2 card specifically so I could play Tribes 2.

Thanks
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[newbie] Radeon 7500 multihead display

[jlbouchard]

Hi!
Is it possible to use 2 monitors (ATI Radeon 7500) on a mdk 9.0?
I know it's working with 2 video cards but with a single multi plug-card 
like this one i find noting .
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Re: [newbie] OpenSource AutoCad for Linux?

[robin]

Chad wrote:

Another one that bears a little consideration is QCAD.  I found that for most 
basic drafting / drawing tasks, it does the job fairly well.

It can be found at:  www.qcad.org


But qcad is only 2D.  On the bright side, a browse around somewhere like 
Sourceforge will reveal a number of 3D CAD projects in the making. 
There are also a lot of specialist CAD tools around (mainly related to 
engineering) - they wouldn't be much use to someone looking for an 
AutoCAD substitute, but since a number of them are Open Source, the code 
base could be of use to other projects, perhaps.

In other words, the bad news is that there is still no substitute for 
AutoCAD; the good news is that if you wait a year or so, there almost 
certainly will be.  We had to wait years for a decent substitute for MS 
Office, but it arrived in the end.

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Re: Sylpheed filter on color, was Re: [newbie] Commands for the Newbie List

[Steve Jeppesen]

Thanks Todd, 
will check it out this weekend.

This will be my chance to config with spell checking to!

Steve

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 17:45:44 -0500
Todd Slater <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:52:45 -0600
> Steve Jeppesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > Using Sylpheed 0.8.5claws here.
> > 
> > Another filter I would like to use is something like, if I have not
> > marked (right now, by color marking) a message, I would like it to
> > be deleted after a week has gone by since the message was received. 
> > Does anybody know how to do that?  Haven't been able to figure that
> > one out.
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Steve
> 
> According to the announcement for Sylpheed-Claws 0.8.9, color label is
> now a condition which can be applied to filtering /sorting/processing.
> 
> http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1564452&forum_id=2006
> 
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[Todd Slater]

On Sun, 22 Dec 2002 08:52:45 -0600
Steve Jeppesen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Using Sylpheed 0.8.5claws here.
> 
> Another filter I would like to use is something like, if I have not
> marked (right now, by color marking) a message, I would like it to be
> deleted after a week has gone by since the message was received.  Does
> anybody know how to do that?  Haven't been able to figure that one out.
> 
> Thanks
> Steve

According to the announcement for Sylpheed-Claws 0.8.9, color label is now
a condition which can be applied to filtering /sorting/processing.

http://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_id=1564452&forum_id=2006

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Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp warning message

[John Richard Smith]

Frans Ketelaars wrote:


On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:13:32 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Frans Ketelaars wrote:

   

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:43:14 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:




Oops, sorry, it's part of the psmisc-21-2mdk RPM, but I think that's already
installed on your system and the extra "/" is the problem :)

  -Frans



 

OK , I can see it works but where does one find the result,
where does the pid number come up.
[root@localhost root]# /sbin/fuser /dev/dsp
[root@localhost root]#

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[frans@dolphin frans]$ /sbin/fuser /dev/dsp
/dev/dsp: 3477  3478 26958
[frans@dolphin frans]$ ps aux | grep 3477
frans 3477  0.0  2.7 13540 5364 ?S22:01   0:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F
frans 3513  0.0  0.3  1656  600 pts/2S22:03   0:00 grep 3477
[frans@dolphin frans]$

This is while playing an mp3 file. See 'man fuser'. The artsd sound daemon
is using /dev/dsp . No solution but I still hope it helps ;)

   -Frans

 

Well !,
[root@localhost root]# /sbin/fuser /dev/dsp
/dev/dsp: 3064

ok,now,
[root@localhost root]# ps aux | grep 3064
root  3064  0.0  0.0  1632  452 ?S22:05   0:00 
/usr/bin/esd -ter
root  3178  0.0  0.1  1668  592 pts/3S22:15   0:00 grep 3064

so that means something but what? I do not know what these 0.0 0.0 1632 
452? is
but 22.05 looks like a time, 0:00 no idea, and it is connected with 
sound device
/usr/bin/esd with a flag of -ter whatever that means. Does anyone know ?

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Re: [newbie] Screen Saver

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 03:30, Gil Katz wrote:
> Hi
> Where do i find Screen Savers for Linux
> and where do i find desktop thems
> Gil
> 

Screensavers for XLOCK or for XSCREENSAVER? There are two different
screensaver servers...

Themes for - uh, KDE, Gnome, Enlightenment or what?

http://themes.freshmeat.net

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Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp warning message

[Frans Ketelaars]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 20:13:32 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frans Ketelaars wrote:
> 
> >On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:43:14 +
> >John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >
> >Oops, sorry, it's part of the psmisc-21-2mdk RPM, but I think that's already
> >installed on your system and the extra "/" is the problem :)
> >
> >-Frans
> >
> >  
> >
> OK , I can see it works but where does one find the result,
> where does the pid number come up.
> [root@localhost root]# /sbin/fuser /dev/dsp
> [root@localhost root]#
> 
> -- 
> John Richard Smith

[frans@dolphin frans]$ /sbin/fuser /dev/dsp
/dev/dsp: 3477  3478 26958
[frans@dolphin frans]$ ps aux | grep 3477
frans 3477  0.0  2.7 13540 5364 ?S22:01   0:00 /usr/bin/artsd -F
frans 3513  0.0  0.3  1656  600 pts/2S22:03   0:00 grep 3477
[frans@dolphin frans]$

This is while playing an mp3 file. See 'man fuser'. The artsd sound daemon
is using /dev/dsp . No solution but I still hope it helps ;)

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Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 02:29, Paul wrote:
> Hello all,
> 
> Forgive this OT post, but can someone point me into the right direction?
> My PC is going nuts. When it is upright, it won't boot properly (powers off
> immediately after switching it on). When it lies on the side, the system
> keeps running without a problem when switched on.
> Already had the entire internals apart and back together again, to no avail.
> What can be wrong here??? I tried all I can think of.
> 
> Thanks.
> Paul

Could be that you have a side-winding hard drive.

Actually, could be on the way out. If you have the drive sitting in any
other position than the one that works, and it chokes and pukes, there
is a problem with the heads in the drive.

Try a different hard drive - you might find that no matter what position
you put your case, it will work (with a different drive).

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Re: [newbie] Java

[Mark Weaver]

Anne Wilson wrote:

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 9:59 am, Ongkie PDS wrote:


Dear Friend,

I need to open a website that use java applet, where can I download the
java rpm?



Do you need the whole java?  Which browser are you using?  If it's Mozilla, go 
to mozilla.org and they have a link page for plugins.  Netscape also have a 
link page.  If you need more than just a java plugin for a browser, go to 
Sun's site for a download.  Come back if you need more help.

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http://cgi.netscape.com/cgi-bin/pi_moreinfo.cgi?PID=10048

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[newbie] Installing Java plugin for Mozilla

[Mark Weaver]

Hi there,

I wish I had a dollar, (accounting for the current rate of inflation),
for every time I've seen this need addressed in these lists. Doesn't
anyone read the archives any more? ;)

with this thought in mind I've saved this message as a template on my
system and will send it to the list probably once a week so in case
anyone misses the post it will show up again and again and again on the
list for those poor souls that missed it the previous time it was
posted. Almost as many times as the question, "where can I get the Java
plugins for Mozilla/Netscape...etc...

anyway...if you're needing the java plugin for Netscape, or Mozilla go
follow the link below and you'll be able to download and install the
java plugin. And by the way...this does not require the download and
install of Sun's JDK or JRE packages. This is a seperate "browser" plugin.

IMPORTANT NOTE: you Must be root user when you do this or the plugin
will NOT install.

http://cgi.netscape.com/cgi-bin/pi_moreinfo.cgi?PID=10048

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[newbie] Installing InoculateIT

[Jody Cleveland]

Hello,

I just got InoculateIT and am trying to install it in Mandrake 9. When I try
to run the install it, I get an error message:

Could not locate the CAIENF installation material.

Does anyone out there have this?

Sorry if this is off topic, but their support was not very good.


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Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp warning message

[John Richard Smith]

Frans Ketelaars wrote:


On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:43:14 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 


Oops, sorry, it's part of the psmisc-21-2mdk RPM, but I think that's already
installed on your system and the extra "/" is the problem :)

   -Frans

 

OK , I can see it works but where does one find the result,
where does the pid number come up.
[root@localhost root]# /sbin/fuser /dev/dsp
[root@localhost root]#

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Re: [newbie] M9.1beta2 Install 2nd attempt

[Charlie]

On Friday 24 January 2003 12:57 pm, John Richard Smith wrote:


> >One final thing John. You'll possibly (when you do get a desktop after
> > login) find that you are unable to access any network. The network will
> > be up but it won't have access to your ISP's name servers. Before you do
> > any more with the beta might I suggest that you grab a copy of
> > initscripts-7.02.2mdk.i586.rpm or a newer one and install that and the
> > kernel mentioned above before you try anything else.
> >
> >Good luck John. I hope some of this was of at least small help.
> >
> >Regards;
>
> Charlie , thanks for your comments, I appreciate it.
> I'm rank newbie at this stage of beta testing and appreciate the
> little ideas to get around problems.
>
> Yes, that is what I will do.
>
> I'm away tomorrow, so it will most likely be Sunday before I try again.
>
> Thanks.
>
> John

So long as any of it helps John you're very welcome. :-)

When you do get back to it you may want to see if there's been a beta3 
released. Something tells me the beta versions will come fast and furious for 
a while and if there is the problems (most of them anyway) with beta1 and 
beta2 will be gone. The ones reported anyway.

Then there will be new things to break. 

Holler and see what the rest of us have busted. It may save you some time. LOL

Have fun "away" John!

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Re: [newbie] M9.1beta2 Install 2nd attempt

[John Richard Smith]

Charlie wrote:


On Friday 24 January 2003 10:15 am, John Richard Smith wrote:

 


One final thing John. You'll possibly (when you do get a desktop after login) 
find that you are unable to access any network. The network will be up but it 
won't have access to your ISP's name servers. Before you do any more with the 
beta might I suggest that you grab a copy of initscripts-7.02.2mdk.i586.rpm 
or a newer one and install that and the kernel mentioned above before you try 
anything else.

Good luck John. I hope some of this was of at least small help.

Regards;
 


 

Charlie , thanks for your comments, I appreciate it.
I'm rank newbie at this stage of beta testing and appreciate the
little ideas to get around problems.

Yes, that is what I will do.

I'm away tomorrow, so it will most likely be Sunday before I try again.

Thanks.

John

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Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[Paul]

In reply to et's mail, d.d. Fri, 24 Jan 2003 11:41:39 -0500:

>describe further...  the pci cards sit horzontal and mother board vertical,
>when you say "When it lies on the side". and when you say "it won't boot 
>properly (powers off immediately after switching it on)" does power off
>mean no ac at all? no lights? 

That is the weird part. There still is power. The indicator led on the
mainboard is still on. It is as if the system goes into
sleep/hybernate/standby immediately.

>is all the mem modules all the way down, no cards touching at all?. I would

There is only 1 256Mb DIMM in there, I reseated that yesterday. Should be
okay.

>remove all "unneeded" cards (leave only vid card) and see if the problem
>went away, adding one card at a time untill probelm repeats. also consider

I will give that a go as soon as I have time for it. Good idea, thanks.

>the power supply may be about to be replaced

It was replaced about 3/4 years ago when the original one died (fan stopped
running, nearly overheating the power supply, thank the gods for Gkrellm and
lm-sensors). I may take that one out and reseat it also.

Thanks everyone, for the help.
I really appreciate it.
Paul

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Re: [newbie] Internet Connection Problem (long, sorry!)

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 6:02 pm, Margot wrote:
> I can't surf, send or receive email, or access newsgroups. I've set up my
> account details in all the applications I can find - Kmail etc. - and I
> don't mind which I use for the moment... will probably develop a preference
> over time, but for now would be happy with anything I can get to work!
>
> I have followed "et"s suggestion - found "gateway" in kppp and changed it
> to 0.0.0.0, but still no luck.
>
I don't remember gateway in kppp - but that would be because I was not 
connecting over a lan.  You don't need gateway for a single modem connection.  
If this is a cable adsl connection that may be different - I don't know.

> I have also added the DNS server IP addresses as instructed by Derek.
>
> Still getting the same error message "host eurobell unknown". Unless
> Mandrake/Linux follows the Microsoft tradition of generating error messages
> that are completely unrelated to the actual problem, I assume the problem
> is something to do with "host" - but what?

This and your related comment on the original post seem to me to point to the 
dns problem.  I presume that your 'host eurobell unknown' comes when you put 
their url into a browser?  If so, then it means that either you have spelled 
it wrong - unlikely - or that you are not connecting to a dns server to 
resolve it.  Your isp will assign you a number, but unless you have told your 
setup the primary (and secondary if you know it) dns lookup address for your 
isp it cannot find the numerical address that it needs to translate a url.  
Does that make sense to you?  It should sort out the web browsing.
>
> Would be grateful for any further suggestions.
>
> Margot
>
> Text of original message from 22/1/03:
>
> I'm a very newbie running Mandrake 9 and I can't get it to connect to the
> internet.
>
> My ISP is eurobell. I've set up the connection in MCC, and that bit seems
> to work OK - it dials, verifies my username and password, and is clocking
> up a penny a minute for the connection when I test it - but I can't get any
> further than that.
>
> I've tried setting up my details (username, password, server names as
> supplied by eurobell), but when I use the various applications to try to
> access www, usenet, email accounts I just get error messages - message
> wording varies depending on the application, but amounting to "host
> eurobell unknown".
>
For email, the usual problem is the login.  ISPs have different ideas about 
how you need to give the username (tiscali, for instance, require the whole 
[EMAIL PROTECTED], but most just require abc).  Don't forget that it is case 
sensitive, as is your password.  Another stumbling block is the 
authentication protocal.  Eurobell should have told you whether it uses, for 
instance, chap or pap.  Get the wrong one and you will get no further.

> I've checked the documentation on the machine and printed out several trees
> worth, but still can't crack this. The only documentation I found that
> seems relevant told me that the host name should be in the /etc/hosts file.
> This is what my /etc/hosts file contains:
>
> 127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
> 192.168.0.50 home
>
> No mention of eurobell in the file. Should I add something here and, if so,
> what?
>
> I've been reading this list for a couple of weeks and picked up some useful
> tips, but nobody seems to have exactly the same problem as me. Luckily I
> still have the old Win 98 machine running so I can access the mailing list
> - but it is annoying to have to unplug the modem and keep moving it from
> one machine to the other as they are in different rooms!
>
This is a big plus.  If you go into the windows setup and go through the 
properties screen for tcp/ip noting down every setting that's there it should 
help.  Post the settings here if you need any clarification.

> I tried eurobell's tech support, but their first question was "which
> version of Windows do you have?" and the conversation went downhill from
> there.

It's absolutely ludicrous.  They probably can't talk you through as easily as 
in windows, because they can't see the screen layout, but the questions and 
answers are exactly the same whether it is windows or linux.

Sorry I can't be too specific, as I don't know your setup, but I hope this has 
given you a few pointers.  Come back with the windows settings if you need 
to.

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RE: [newbie] IDENTD

[Boulytchev, Vasiliy]

So, as I try this as root, I get 
logs: identd[32758]: fopen("/proc/net/tcp", "r"): Permission denied
And running daemons other than root such as sshd and ftp is a must, what
do you mean you can not run those without having root privs?

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Ralph Slooten
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 10:41 AM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] IDENTD


On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:34:24 -0700
"Boulytchev, Vasiliy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ladies and Gents,
> Im trying to get identd running (irc).
>  
> identd[2890]: Failed to bind to port 113: Permission denied   
> is the error when I try running a self-compiled
> daemon,
>  
> when run as root, /usr/sbin/identd -d everything works,   I can even
> telnet to port 113 from remote machinges and attempt to communicate,
> so its not a firewall issue. IRC is still giving me no response from
> identd daemon.
>  
> Also, when trying to start identd from RPM pidentd, I got this in
> logs: identd[32758]: fopen("/proc/net/tcp", "r"): Permission denied

Ports under (I believe) 1024 can only be run as root (safety)

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Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp warning message

[Frans Ketelaars]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 15:43:14 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Frans Ketelaars wrote:
> 
> >On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:41:50 +
> >John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  
> >
> >>Damian Gatabria wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>>On Wednesday 22 January 2003 18:27, John Richard Smith wrote:
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> Every time I boot up I get a warning message in a terminal,
> /dev/dsp: Device or resource busy
> 
> How can I check what is keeping the device busy.
> What can I do about it.
> 
> John
>    
> 
> 
> 
> >>>At which stage of the boot process do you get this?
> >>>
> >>>Damian
> >>>
> >>> 
> >>>
> >>>  
> >>>
> >>Immediately on desktop and upon putting up d4x which has a terminal
> >>which come up as standard.I know something is
> >>amiss because kde jingle fails. All other aspect of sound setup
> >>appears ok, like grip, and the various cdplayers, but kde desktop
> >>should arrive with a short sound bite and doesn't, I'd just like to
> >>find out what's going on and correct it.
> >>I suspect it is also affecting the sound in xine but this is very much 
> >>supposition
> >>at this stage.
> >>
> >>I have alsa sound with aRts enabled.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>-- 
> >>John Richard Smith
> >>[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> >>
> >>
> >
> >'/sbin/fuser /dev/dsp' should give you the pid of the offending 
> >program.
> >
> >HTH,
> >
> >-Frans
> >
> >  
> >
> Thanks, Frans,
> 
> I took it I am to run this as a command,
> 
> 
> ]# /sbin/fuser/ /dev/dsp
^ that slash shouldn't be there .

> bash: /sbin/fuser/: Not a directory
> 
> 
> What am I doing wrong ?
> 
> John

Oops, sorry, it's part of the psmisc-21-2mdk RPM, but I think that's already
installed on your system and the extra "/" is the problem :)

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RE: [newbie] Internet Connection Problem (long, sorry!)

[Myers, Dennis R NWO]

Title: RE: [newbie] Internet Connection Problem (long, sorry!)





Try opening MCC and then security and turn off the firewall by clicking on the square that says everything, no firewall, then apply and then try your internet connection again. If that solves the problem you should be able to turn the firewall on again and still get a connection. HTH  Dennis M.

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Margot
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 12:03 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Connection Problem (long, sorry!)




- Original Message -
From: "Anne Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Connection Problem (long, sorry!)



On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 8:15 pm, Margot wrote:
>>
>> I do use kppp - I'll try adding the ip addresses and get back to you. As
>> for beating eurobell, I can't beat them and wish I'd never joined them!
But
>> never anticipated running Linux when I signed up with eurobell:-)
>> Margot


>I've only half-followed this, so sorry if I'm making you repeat yourself.
As
I understand it, you appear to have a connection to your isp, but can't surf
or collect email.  Is that correct?


>If that's so, then kppp is set up ok.  You then need to configure an
account
in a browser and email client.  Which one do you want to use?  One of us
should be able to talk you through whichever you choose.


>Anne


Anne,
Thanks for your offer of help. I've put the text of my original message at
the bottom of this reply so you can read it and see where I started from and
those who have already seen it can stop scrolling before they get that far
down.


I can't surf, send or receive email, or access newsgroups. I've set up my
account details in all the applications I can find - Kmail etc. - and I
don't mind which I use for the moment... will probably develop a preference
over time, but for now would be happy with anything I can get to work!


I have followed "et"s suggestion - found "gateway" in kppp and changed it to
0.0.0.0, but still no luck.


I have also added the DNS server IP addresses as instructed by Derek.


Still getting the same error message "host eurobell unknown". Unless
Mandrake/Linux follows the Microsoft tradition of generating error messages
that are completely unrelated to the actual problem, I assume the problem is
something to do with "host" - but what?


Would be grateful for any further suggestions.


Margot


Text of original message from 22/1/03:


I'm a very newbie running Mandrake 9 and I can't get it to connect to the
internet.


My ISP is eurobell. I've set up the connection in MCC, and that bit seems to
work OK - it dials, verifies my username and password, and is clocking up a
penny a minute for the connection when I test it - but I can't get any
further than that.


I've tried setting up my details (username, password, server names as
supplied by eurobell), but when I use the various applications to try to
access www, usenet, email accounts I just get error messages - message
wording varies depending on the application, but amounting to "host eurobell
unknown".


I've checked the documentation on the machine and printed out several trees
worth, but still can't crack this. The only documentation I found that seems
relevant told me that the host name should be in the /etc/hosts file. This
is what my /etc/hosts file contains:


127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
192.168.0.50 home


No mention of eurobell in the file. Should I add something here and, if so,
what?


I've been reading this list for a couple of weeks and picked up some useful
tips, but nobody seems to have exactly the same problem as me. Luckily I
still have the old Win 98 machine running so I can access the mailing list -
but it is annoying to have to unplug the modem and keep moving it from one
machine to the other as they are in different rooms!


I tried eurobell's tech support, but their first question was "which version
of Windows do you have?" and the conversation went downhill from there.


Can anyone help? TIA
Margot Lawrence

Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[Margot]

- Original Message -
From: "Anne Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 4:38 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness


On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:32 pm, David Robertson wrote:
> On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > Don't you do that when you're checking on hardware jobs you've just
done?
> > I always do before righting it and closing the case.
> >
> > Anne
>
> Well, no. but maybe that's because I'm not a computer
professional!
>
> I'm a gynaecologist, actually. Might be worth trying with some of my
> patients..
>
Somehow, I can see the similarity 

Anne
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Only a woman could get away with saying that..

Margot







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[newbie] apt-get produces puzzling output ..

[ThinKer]

Hello all.

As root, I ran 'apt-get upgrade' and received the following output.

--begin output --
Reading Package Lists...
Collecting File Provides...
Building Dependency Tree...
The following packages have been kept back
  XFree86-devel XFree86-libs XFree86-xfs arts aspell aspell-en
gnome-spell
  kdeadmin kdebase kdebase-nsplugins kdegames kdegraphics kdelibs
kdemultimedia
  kdenetwork kdepim kdetoys kdeutils libarts libqt3 licq licq-console
licq-rms
  lisa pan quanta
0 packages upgraded, 0 newly installed, 0 removed and 26 not upgraded.
--end output --

My question is, why are those packages being "kept back"? Is this an
issue that I need to resolve and if so, how?


Thanks,

TP



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Re: [newbie] M9.1beta2 Install 2nd attempt

[Charlie]

On Friday 24 January 2003 10:15 am, John Richard Smith wrote:

> This install was done on preformatted /dev/hda7 in ext2 , no formatting
> in the install
> proceedure at all.
>
> F1 expert install route
>
> 1)Failed to detect and install  Scroll wheel mouse .

That's been updated and fixed in cooker I believe John. Could you just use 
"generic mouse" settings long enough to get the install completed? Then 
configure the mouse? We are dealing with a beta.
>
> 2)Fails to detect /swap partition, at least it does not tell me it has.

Are you reading the kernel messages or are you actually doing a text install? 
Swapon happens at boot as far as I know.
>
> 3) No saved package facility.

Beta problem. Fixed in cooker I think. It's (again) possible to do it later 
after updating.
>
> 4) When asked to present CD1 for printer , it fails
> to detect the CD1 when presented

KERNEL problem. The kernel shipped with the beta (1 and 2) is calling all ide 
removable drives as scsi which makes it almost impossible for a gnubie like 
me to figure out. Someone suggested passing the kernel "hdx=ide-cd" for 
cdroms and dvdroms. Mine wouldn't even find my floppy drive. The latest 
kernel (available later today according to Juan Quintela) should fix this and 
more. In the meantime you can use a different kernel for the install using 
"blank.img." The INSTALL.txt file talks about that. You actually are able to 
install using your own kernel. The one in cooker now 
(kernel-2.4.21.pre3.2mdk-1-1mdk.i586.rpm)
may actually alleviate some of your troubles. I can actually manually mount my 
cdrom now where I couldn't with the previous kernel. I'll let you know if it 
works should I decide to try it that way. Or I may just try a hard drive 
install of the full cooker I have on a drive here.
>
> 5) The install hangs "please wait making printer port available for CUPS"

No printer on this box, sorry. I do remember reading a few threads about this 
on cooker ml though. Expert too IIRC. May be worthwhile to have a look at the 
archives. Yesterday and the day before I think; may be enough to get you on 
track I hope.
>
> 6) then error message "An error occured foomatic-configure failed"
>
> 7) fails to detect 1280x1024@60hz screen resolution and when manually
> chosen it fails to hold.
>
> 8) It detected Generic geforce3+ XFree4.2.1 ok, but returned
> "error message, server SUGA is not available (should be in
> /mnt/usr/X11R/XFree86)"
> result is a failed screen driver installation , no test etc.

Have you tried accepting the resolution offered and adjusting later? I changed 
colour depth at summary screen from 24 bpp to 16 bpp (I have an old Creative 
Graphics Blaster 16 MB) due to a limited card and it held. Test always hung 
for me too.
>
> 9) The whole process skips creating a boot disc altogether

Probably cause it can't find the floppy. It may be a part of that scsi stuff 
that's "slapping" the cdrom. Or a broken mkinitrd, or broken mkbootdisk. Or 
any combination thereof.
>
> 10 ) None of the LH side panel scripts are sensitive to cursor clicks.

Design choice. That option has been turned off. Or so it was written on the 
cooker list.
>
> 11) I was forced to install lilo, which was not by choice as I wanted to
> do a floppy boot or failing that M9.0 boot script/lilo.conf job, and as
> a result it's lilo was installed in the MBR.

More beta gremlins. I think you'll have to accept that and get the install up 
then boot back to 9.0 and add the links to the boot directory. 
>
> The reboot went ok as far as a consol login , but of course no xwindows
> meant I could not get a graphical desktop. I tried to think
> of a way I might be able to remidy this but coundn't think of any. I
> suppose if you are at a local host terminal it must be possible to install
> a driver in cojunction with the installation cd's but if so someone
> would have to explain.

Maybe because I only tried to change a few things and didn't try to select any 
individual packages or alter anything except at the summary screen but I 
managed to convince the bootloader to change to console login by preference. 
Then just log in and "startx" worked for me. As I mentioned, it's a beta. For 
example at the services at boot screen there are no buttons and if I tried to 
turn any on or off (the first three times I tried to install) the machine 
hung forever. I just ignored this and hit enter at that screen under the 
assumption that I could turn services off in drakconf after the fact.
>
> I really want some way of building on this so that lilo does not get
> installed and a Xwindows screen driver setup is achieved.
>
> There was nothing left for me to do but reinstall M9.0's lilo to the MBR.
>
> John

One final thing John. You'll possibly (when you do get a desktop after login) 
find that you are unable to access any network. The network will be up but it 
won't have access to your ISP's name servers. Before you do any more with the 
beta might I suggest that you grab a copy of 

Re: [newbie] Internet Connection Problem (long, sorry!)

[Margot]

- Original Message -
From: "Anne Wilson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, January 22, 2003 8:25 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Internet Connection Problem (long, sorry!)


On Wednesday 22 Jan 2003 8:15 pm, Margot wrote:
>>
>> I do use kppp - I'll try adding the ip addresses and get back to you. As
>> for beating eurobell, I can't beat them and wish I'd never joined them!
But
>> never anticipated running Linux when I signed up with eurobell:-)
>> Margot

>I've only half-followed this, so sorry if I'm making you repeat yourself.
As
I understand it, you appear to have a connection to your isp, but can't surf
or collect email.  Is that correct?

>If that's so, then kppp is set up ok.  You then need to configure an
account
in a browser and email client.  Which one do you want to use?  One of us
should be able to talk you through whichever you choose.

>Anne

Anne,
Thanks for your offer of help. I've put the text of my original message at
the bottom of this reply so you can read it and see where I started from and
those who have already seen it can stop scrolling before they get that far
down.

I can't surf, send or receive email, or access newsgroups. I've set up my
account details in all the applications I can find - Kmail etc. - and I
don't mind which I use for the moment... will probably develop a preference
over time, but for now would be happy with anything I can get to work!

I have followed "et"s suggestion - found "gateway" in kppp and changed it to
0.0.0.0, but still no luck.

I have also added the DNS server IP addresses as instructed by Derek.

Still getting the same error message "host eurobell unknown". Unless
Mandrake/Linux follows the Microsoft tradition of generating error messages
that are completely unrelated to the actual problem, I assume the problem is
something to do with "host" - but what?

Would be grateful for any further suggestions.

Margot

Text of original message from 22/1/03:

I'm a very newbie running Mandrake 9 and I can't get it to connect to the
internet.

My ISP is eurobell. I've set up the connection in MCC, and that bit seems to
work OK - it dials, verifies my username and password, and is clocking up a
penny a minute for the connection when I test it - but I can't get any
further than that.

I've tried setting up my details (username, password, server names as
supplied by eurobell), but when I use the various applications to try to
access www, usenet, email accounts I just get error messages - message
wording varies depending on the application, but amounting to "host eurobell
unknown".

I've checked the documentation on the machine and printed out several trees
worth, but still can't crack this. The only documentation I found that seems
relevant told me that the host name should be in the /etc/hosts file. This
is what my /etc/hosts file contains:

127.0.0.1 localhost.localdomain localhost
192.168.0.50 home

No mention of eurobell in the file. Should I add something here and, if so,
what?

I've been reading this list for a couple of weeks and picked up some useful
tips, but nobody seems to have exactly the same problem as me. Luckily I
still have the old Win 98 machine running so I can access the mailing list -
but it is annoying to have to unplug the modem and keep moving it from one
machine to the other as they are in different rooms!

I tried eurobell's tech support, but their first question was "which version
of Windows do you have?" and the conversation went downhill from there.

Can anyone help? TIA
Margot Lawrence





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Re: [newbie] IDENTD

[Ralph Slooten]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 09:34:24 -0700
"Boulytchev, Vasiliy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> Ladies and Gents,
> Im trying to get identd running (irc).
>  
> identd[2890]: Failed to bind to port 113: Permission denied   
> is the error when I try running a self-compiled
> daemon,
>  
> when run as root, /usr/sbin/identd -d everything works,   I can even
> telnet to port 113 from remote machinges and attempt to communicate,
> so its not a firewall issue. IRC is still giving me no response from
> identd daemon.
>  
> Also, when trying to start identd from RPM pidentd, I got this in
> logs: identd[32758]: fopen("/proc/net/tcp", "r"): Permission denied

Ports under (I believe) 1024 can only be run as root (safety)

Greetings
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Re: [newbie] KDE Panel Customization questions

[Chuck Burns]

On Fri, January 24 2003 10:35 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
*snip*
> OK - I'm a wierdo who likes to check before deleting anything, so it works
> for exactly as I would use the desktop icon.  There is no way I'd click
> that 'empty trashcan' entry.  I didn't do it under windows and I don't do
> it here.

Ok.. But that still doesnt solve my issue with changing the icon for the "KDE 
Menu" itself.. and I'm beginning to think this may be an expert-list problem.

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[newbie] M9.1beta2 Install 2nd attempt

[John Richard Smith]

This install was done on preformatted /dev/hda7 in ext2 , no formatting 
in the install
proceedure at all.

F1 expert install route

1)Failed to detect and install  Scroll wheel mouse .

2)Fails to detect /swap partition, at least it does not tell me it has.

3) No saved package facility.

4) When asked to present CD1 for printer , it fails
to detect the CD1 when presented

5) The install hangs "please wait making printer port available for CUPS"

6) then error message "An error occured foomatic-configure failed"

7) fails to detect 1280x1024@60hz screen resolution and when manually
chosen it fails to hold.

8) It detected Generic geforce3+ XFree4.2.1 ok, but returned
"error message, server SUGA is not available (should be in 
/mnt/usr/X11R/XFree86)"
result is a failed screen driver installation , no test etc.

9) The whole process skips creating a boot disc altogether

10 ) None of the LH side panel scripts are sensitive to cursor clicks.

11) I was forced to install lilo, which was not by choice as I wanted to
do a floppy boot or failing that M9.0 boot script/lilo.conf job, and as
a result it's lilo was installed in the MBR.

The reboot went ok as far as a consol login , but of course no xwindows
meant I could not get a graphical desktop. I tried to think
of a way I might be able to remidy this but coundn't think of any. I
suppose if you are at a local host terminal it must be possible to install
a driver in cojunction with the installation cd's but if so someone
would have to explain.

I really want some way of building on this so that lilo does not get
installed and a Xwindows screen driver setup is achieved.

There was nothing left for me to do but reinstall M9.0's lilo to the MBR.

John


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Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest

[Charlie]

On Friday 24 January 2003 09:30 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:13 pm, Charlie wrote:
> > > I report all the scam emails I get to the online repositories for such
> > > things... and then i reply them with dummy smtp details and tell them
> > > to f**k off and that they have been reported to their ISP /authorities
> > > etc...
> >
> > As in the "Trojan" thread that would be nice if the ISPs were capable of
> > doing anything about it. Or if they actually cared.
>
> Can't agree.  While generally I think isps should try to do something about
> spam, I don't see this as any different from their pov than any other spam.
> It is annoying but harmless unless you are greedy/stupid enough to fall for
> it.  The Darwin Awards have a lot going for them.
>
> Anne

Maybe I should have refined the focus on that S(mart) A($$) comment. In 
whatever country the ISP is probably using people at all 'customer interface 
levels' hired for minimal pay with absolute minimum technical acumen. These 
people are then given a script of questions and answers they have to follow. 
One of the first things the "Helldesk" resident learns is usually; if it 
should be forwarded to a higher level and you do so that higher level denizen 
can (and usually will) make your life a living hell should you forward too 
often; under the natural dictum of maximum gain for minimum effort. 

Besides she or he probably started where the 'helldesker' is.

Best is to; 
"Woops!  Damn!" those "problems" before they start, in the interest of 
self preservation. 

If it sounds as though I have a dim view of; and nearly zero respect for, the 
majority of humanity, it's probably 'cause it's quite true. But in this case 
the above statements are based on first hand personal observations.

Regards;
-- 
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An imagined sequence of events that provides the context in
which a business decision is made.  Scenarios always come in
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Re: [newbie] Screen Saver

[Derek Jennings]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:30 pm, Gil Katz wrote:
> Hi
> Where do i find Screen Savers for Linux
> and where do i find desktop thems
> Gil
>
> 
>   Fair well and thanks for all the fish
> 

If you are running KDE then www.kde-look.org is the place for themes/wallpaper

You will also find mandrake RPMS for several nice icon sets/themes/wallpapers 
at Texstars download site
ftp://ftp.ibiblio.org/pub/Linux/distributions/contrib/texstar/linux/distributions/mandrake/9.0/rpms

In particular look out for
crystal-icons -really nice icon set from Connectiva - will be default for 
KDE3.1
freecurve-artwork - The BlueCurve theme RedHat fans like.
Geramik - A really popular theme
kde3-kspashml - Animated log on spash
keramik - I think that is geramik for KDE
mosfets-liquid - my favourite KDE theme
wallpaper - A collection of nice wallpapers
xmas-wallpaper - A bit out of season

Themes, icon sets, and wallpapers are all selected in KDE Control Centre Some 
themes like mosfet have to be configured in several different places.

As for screensavers. The default KDE screensavers are not especially good. But 
if you do not use kde, or take the trouble to disable the KDE screensaver you 
can use xscreensaver and xscreensaver-gl  which are RPMs on your Mandrake CDs

xscreensaver-demo in a terminal will show you the screensavers available, and 
the command  xscreensaver -nosplash & when you start your session will enable 
the screensavers. There are also some really nice new OpenGL screensavers for 
xscreensaver available here 
http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php?sid=2540&lang=en
(I think the link is broken on that one)
HTH

derek

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Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[Paul]

In reply to David's mail, d.d. Fri, 24 Jan 2003 16:05:24 +:

>Um, can't even begin to think of a reason, other than a loose connection 
>somewhere. If you've looked at all the internals, maybe there's a probelm 
>with the power cable?

I suspect some loose connection 'somewhere'. The stranger it becomes: when
the thing shuts down, there is still power (led on mainboard stays on as do
the leds on both NICs).

>But tell me, just why on earth did you try booting it on its side??! Or was
>it just an accident?

Yes, that happened by accident. I got up and accidentally leaned on the side
of the machine and 'click'. And it is still running (uptime 22 hrs).
This PC is over 1.5 years old and the problems only started some months
ago...
That beats and bites.

Thanks for the tips
Paul

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Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[David Robertson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:25 pm, Anne Wilson wrote:

> Don't you do that when you're checking on hardware jobs you've just done? 
> I always do before righting it and closing the case.
>
> Anne

Well, no. but maybe that's because I'm not a computer professional!

I'm a gynaecologist, actually. Might be worth trying with some of my 
patients..

David

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Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:13 pm, Charlie wrote:
> > I report all the scam emails I get to the online repositories for such
> > things... and then i reply them with dummy smtp details and tell them to
> > f**k off and that they have been reported to their ISP /authorities
> > etc...
>
> As in the "Trojan" thread that would be nice if the ISPs were capable of
> doing anything about it. Or if they actually cared.

Can't agree.  While generally I think isps should try to do something about 
spam, I don't see this as any different from their pov than any other spam.  
It is annoying but harmless unless you are greedy/stupid enough to fall for 
it.  The Darwin Awards have a lot going for them.

Anne
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Re: [newbie] KDE Panel Customization questions

[Chuck Burns]

On Fri, January 24 2003 10:18 am, Anne Wilson wrote:
*snip*
> Out of curiosity I dragged the bin to the bottom bar - next to mcc icon. 
> No problem, it opens the trash can, which is wat I presume you want.  Of
> course, to fix it you should log out, checking save session, then in again.
>  Remove the checkmark next time you log out.
>
> Anne
It does do that.. But.. It's not quite how I want it. Yes.. it does open it, 
yes, I can delete stuff by draggin to it.. BUT.. I can't empty it, and if I 
remove the trash off the desktop, it no longer works.. 

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Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:05 pm, David Robertson wrote:
> On Friday 24 Jan 2003 3:29 pm, Paul wrote:
> > Hello all,
> >
> > Forgive this OT post, but can someone point me into the right direction?
> > My PC is going nuts. When it is upright, it won't boot properly (powers
> > off immediately after switching it on). When it lies on the side, the
> > system keeps running without a problem when switched on.
> > Already had the entire internals apart and back together again, to no
> > avail. What can be wrong here??? I tried all I can think of.
>
> Um, can't even begin to think of a reason, other than a loose connection
> somewhere. If you've looked at all the internals, maybe there's a probelm
> with the power cable?
>
> But tell me, just why on earth did you try booting it on its side??! Or was
> it just an accident?
>
Don't you do that when you're checking on hardware jobs you've just done?  I 
always do before righting it and closing the case.

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Re: [newbie] Searching 101

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 2:19 pm, et wrote:
> On Friday 24 January 2003 06:29 am, Robert Wideman wrote:
> > I am seeing a lot of posts of where to find programs.  Yes i personally
> > ask occasionally myself but that is b/c i have searched about 50
> > different sites.  The main sites for finding apps i use are search
> > engines and i KNOW how to use them.  Only a very few people i know even
> > think of using them. As a techie and an advocate of "find it
> > yourself"...coming from a technician point of view who technically doesnt
> > know anything just knows where to find the answer...use these sites:
> > http://www.google.com
> > http://rpm.pbone.net
> > http://rpmfind.net
> >
> >
> >
> > Rob
>
> NOw Rob,,, we are "NEWbies" and a bunch of folks too lazy to look at
> google... but really, there was some discussion a while ago about how it
> feels when you are "lost in the ether" to recieve "STFW-G" or "RTFD", and
> how we would try and be as civil as possible about it, and even go so far
> as to do the search, and then reply " a search on google for "lost in the
> ether" came up with 27,000 hits, and the one _I_ personally liked was
> "http://www.lost_in_the _ether.info" (note; I don't think that site really
> works)
> I is often pretty hard for someone (that just figured out that the
> cupholder keeps breaking when it wants to retract into the box for no
> reason, and it spills the coffee each time too) to figure out just which of
> those 27,000 pages really have some info that might help and are not just
> selling stuff.

A reminder of resources from time to time is useful, but for a newbie 
searching is doubly difficult, because often you don't know the question to 
ask or the term to search on.

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Re: [newbie] KDE Panel Customization questions

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 3:49 pm, Chuck Burns wrote:
> On Wed, January 22 2003 12:58 pm, mycal62 wrote:
> > try here for a trash can ref. :
> > http://www.m-arriaga.net/software/libtrash/
>
> Also, this has NOTHING to do with putting the trash can onto the toolbar. I
> want to move the trash can OFF the KDE desktop, and put it on the Toolbar,
> like OS/X has it.

Out of curiosity I dragged the bin to the bottom bar - next to mcc icon.  No 
problem, it opens the trash can, which is wat I presume you want.  Of course, 
to fix it you should log out, checking save session, then in again.  Remove 
the checkmark next time you log out.

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Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest

[Charlie]

On Friday 24 January 2003 03:31 am, Franki wrote:
{reply interspersed }
> I'd agree, except that some of them get killed from it..
>
> they try to get you to come over to "help get things moving" and when you
> get there
> they put a gun to your head and make you withdraw every cent you have and
> hand it over..
>
> now I couldn't care less if they get suckered for all their cash, but even
> greedy dumbass's shouldn't have to die from it..

Being banned from the gene pool is an excessive sentence? Cruel and unusual 
punishment? OK, if you say so Frank. ;-)
>
> I mean most places don't kill you for being a murderer, or a pedophile or
> rapist etc,,, so being a greedy dumbass shouldn't involve a death
> sentence..

Sorry; but I have to disagree. Arrogant stupidity should always be a "Capital 
Crime;" sentence imposed and enforced by the universe. No appeals. The best 
the malefactors can hope for is a suspended sentence.

Maybe the worst part of the so called criminal justice system in most 
"enlightened" nations is there is so much justice for the poor innocent 
criminal at the expense of the rest of the society. Seems a little bass 
ackwards to me. 
>
> I report all the scam emails I get to the online repositories for such
> things... and then i reply them with dummy smtp details and tell them to
> f**k off and that they have been reported to their ISP /authorities etc...

As in the "Trojan" thread that would be nice if the ISPs were capable of doing 
anything about it. Or if they actually cared.
>
> since the return email and everything else is dummy, I don't get bothered
> by replys, especially since not many of these wankers have the knowhow to
> track me anyway...
>
> but you are right, if they are so greedy, losing all their money is almost
> suitable recompense..

Almost. I can think of more effective (harsher) treatments but I'd definitely 
be in the minority.
<\tongue (somewhat) in cheek>
> rgds
>
> Franki


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Re: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[David Robertson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 3:29 pm, Paul wrote:
> Hello all,
>
> Forgive this OT post, but can someone point me into the right direction?
> My PC is going nuts. When it is upright, it won't boot properly (powers off
> immediately after switching it on). When it lies on the side, the system
> keeps running without a problem when switched on.
> Already had the entire internals apart and back together again, to no
> avail. What can be wrong here??? I tried all I can think of.
>

Um, can't even begin to think of a reason, other than a loose connection 
somewhere. If you've looked at all the internals, maybe there's a probelm 
with the power cable?

But tell me, just why on earth did you try booting it on its side??! Or was it 
just an accident?

David

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Re: [newbie] OpenSource AutoCad for Linux?

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:11, Carroll Grigsby wrote:



> only promising candidate that I found was Varicad 
> (http://www.varicad.com/en/main.php). I didn't do much with it beyond playing 
> around with the crippled demo that was included in the PowerPack and visiting 
> their website. The demo was not impressive, but I was intrigued by what I saw 
> on their website, and I would certainly take a longer look at it if the need 
> arose. Keep in mind that Varicad is for mechanical design only, and won't be 
> suitable if your customer does something else. IIRC, I did find some other 
> OSS CAD programs for architects and other species.

<>
 
> Sorry to be so negative, but I'd pick other dragons to slay. My feeling is 
> that your best hope seems to be Anne Wilson's suggestion about win4lin. I 
> read somewhere recently that AutoCad R14 does run under win4lin, but I have 
> no knowledge about win4lin and the newer versions of AutoCAD (2000 and up). 
> It's certainly worth looking into.
> 
> Disclaimer: No, I do _not_ think that AutoCAD is the World's Greatest 
> Software. In fact, it goes towards the other end of my list. I've got lots of 
> war stories best summarized by saying that using AutoCAD is not good for 
> people with a low tolerance for stress. It crashes in a heartbeat, it loves 
> to muck up system settings, and support sucks. Bear in mind that a standard 
> AutoCAD package sells for $3600 a pop! Updates and bugfixes? Sure, but _only_ 
> if you subscribe to a $600 a year support service; otherwise some clown at 
> the distributor will read you the FAQ's from the AutoDesk site. The sad thing 
> is that there once was a unix-based version of ACad, but it was dropped when 
> they converted ACad from DOS to Windows. (Something involving a deal with the 
> Devil from Bellevue, IIRC.) ProE did the same when they dropped *nix in favor 
> of their Windows-based version. How sad! Perhaps they will rethink their 
> stances as the usage of Linux becomes more common but until that happy day, 
> the byword will be "compromise".
> 
> -- cmg
> 



So, do you suggest putting Varicad to the sword or do you think that
there is some hope for it?  I *was* kinda thinking about checking it
out, but I'm not so sure anymore...

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Re: [newbie] OpenSource AutoCad for Linux?

[Lyvim Xaphir]

On Thu, 2003-01-23 at 16:26, Anne Wilson wrote:
> On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 9:11 pm, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> > The sad thing is that there once was a unix-based version of ACad, but it
> > was dropped when they converted ACad from DOS to Windows. (Something
> > involving a deal with the Devil from Bellevue, IIRC.) ProE did the same
> > when they dropped *nix in favor of their Windows-based version. How sad!
> > Perhaps they will rethink their stances as the usage of Linux becomes more
> > common but until that happy day, the byword will be "compromise".
> >
> At least if it will run under win4lin it will not drag everything down with it 
> when it goes :)
> 
> Anne
> -- 

Good point.  :)

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RE: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[Tony S. Sykes]

Paul,

Is your graphics card seated correctly, no access weight on it, monitor
cord not pulling on it while upright? Same with cpu not got a large fan
on it which the clips are not in correctly?

Tony.

-Original Message-
From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:30 PM
To: newbie
Subject: [newbie] OT: hardware weirdness


Hello all,

Forgive this OT post, but can someone point me into the right direction?
My PC is going nuts. When it is upright, it won't boot properly (powers
off
immediately after switching it on). When it lies on the side, the system
keeps running without a problem when switched on.
Already had the entire internals apart and back together again, to no
avail.
What can be wrong here??? I tried all I can think of.

Thanks.
Paul

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Re: [newbie] KDE Panel Customization questions

[Chuck Burns]

On Wed, January 22 2003 12:58 pm, mycal62 wrote:
> try here for a trash can ref. : http://www.m-arriaga.net/software/libtrash/
>

Also, this has NOTHING to do with putting the trash can onto the toolbar. I 
want to move the trash can OFF the KDE desktop, and put it on the Toolbar, 
like OS/X has it.

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Re: [newbie] KDE Panel Customization questions

[Chuck Burns]

On Wed, January 22 2003 12:58 pm, mycal62 wrote:
> they are located in /usr/share/icons.
>
> right click on one and choose properties, and click the icon button it
> displays, then change to your heart's content.

The only thing on the KDE menu is "Move" "Remove" "Menu Editor" and "Panel 
Menu"  There is NO properties.
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Re: [newbie] /dev/dsp warning message

[John Richard Smith]

Frans Ketelaars wrote:


On Wed, 22 Jan 2003 19:41:50 +
John Richard Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

 

Damian Gatabria wrote:

   

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 18:27, John Richard Smith wrote:


 

Every time I boot up I get a warning message in a terminal,
/dev/dsp: Device or resource busy

How can I check what is keeping the device busy.
What can I do about it.

John
  

   

At which stage of the boot process do you get this?

Damian



 

Immediately on desktop and upon putting up d4x which has a terminal
which come up as standard.I know something is
amiss because kde jingle fails. All other aspect of sound setup
appears ok, like grip, and the various cdplayers, but kde desktop
should arrive with a short sound bite and doesn't, I'd just like to
find out what's going on and correct it.
I suspect it is also affecting the sound in xine but this is very much 
supposition
at this stage.

I have alsa sound with aRts enabled.

John

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'/sbin/fuser /dev/dsp' should give you the pid of the offending 
program.

HTH,

   -Frans

 

Thanks, Frans,

I took it I am to run this as a command,


]# /sbin/fuser/ /dev/dsp
bash: /sbin/fuser/: Not a directory


What am I doing wrong ?

John


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[newbie] OT: hardware weirdness

[Paul]

Hello all,

Forgive this OT post, but can someone point me into the right direction?
My PC is going nuts. When it is upright, it won't boot properly (powers off
immediately after switching it on). When it lies on the side, the system
keeps running without a problem when switched on.
Already had the entire internals apart and back together again, to no avail.
What can be wrong here??? I tried all I can think of.

Thanks.
Paul

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[newbie] Xine PLF version

[John Richard Smith]

I finally got xine PLF version to work, here are the packages and the 
paths:-

[root@localhost root]# rpm -qa | grep -i xine*
xinetd-2.3.7-3mdk
xine-dvdnav-1-0.beta2.1plf
texinfo-4.2-5mdk
xinitrc-2.4.4-69mdk
xine-faad-1-0.beta2.1plf
xine-ui-aa-0.9.17-1mdk
xine-esd-1-0.beta2.1plf
xine-d5d-0.2.7-2plf
xine-arts-1-0.beta2.1plf
xinput-1.2-5mdk
xine-win32-1-0.beta2.1plf
libxine1-1-0.beta2.1plf
xine-dxr3-1-0.beta2.1plf
libxine1-docs-1-0.beta2.1plf
xine_d4d_plugin-0.3.2-2plf
libxine1-devel-1-0.beta2.1plf
xine-alsa-1-0.beta2.1plf
xinetd-ipv6-2.3.7-3mdk
xine-aa-1-0.beta2.1plf
xine-xvid-0.9.13-8plf
xine_dmd_plugin-1.0.7-1plf
xine-divx4-0.9.13-8plf
xine-plugins-1-0.beta2.1plf
xine-ui-0.9.17-1mdk
[root@localhost root]#

/etc/ld.so.conf

ADD TO PATH
===
/usr/local/lib
/usr/lib/
/usr/local/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/post
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/1.0.0/vidix
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/
/usr/lib/xine/plugins/vidix
/usr/share/xine/desktop
/usr/share/xine/libxine1/fonts
/usr/share/xine/skins
/usr/share/xine/skins/CelomaChrome
/usr/share/xine/skins/CelomaGold
/usr/share/xine/skins/CelomaMdk
/usr/share/xine/skins/cloudy
/usr/share/xine/skins/lcd
/usr/share/xine/skins/mp2k
/usr/share/xine/skins/pitt
/usr/share/xine/skins/xinetic
/usr/share/xine/visuals



If this helps anyone else

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Re: [newbie] Toshiba Laptop installation ?

[Mark Weaver]

H.J.Bathoorn wrote:

On Wednesday 22 January 2003 21:05, Marc wrote:


snip<
  When it locks up I am unable to use the mouse and there is no
hard drive activity and as of yet I have founnd no keyboard
commands that work. The display stays frozen.and I am unable to do
anything but a hard shutdown but then that goes back to the
subject of the SysReq key.

   Marc



Have you tried different windowmanagers?

I've had laptops with lower specs running 9.0 (well it wasn't fast!) just NOT 
using KDE or Gnome.
Give Icewm a try or windowmaker to see if that gives any relief --it should.

Aside from that: turn off as many services at boot time as you can. daemons 
like crond an atd use up quite a bit of memory when they're at work. And 
there's more, a lot more depending what use you want to put the laptop to=:o)

Also: boot into text first (init 3) and later into X with the command startx.
That way you'll have the opportunity to finetune your system without it 
locking on you.

With a P133 it's not going to be a mean and lean machine but with 80M it 
should be useable.
Hang in there we'll get you going:o)

Good Luck,
HarM

Ben,

You may also want to take a look at Fluxbox. It's even lighter then 
IceWM. I'm using that Window Manager exclusively on a Toshiba Protege 
with only 64MB of RAM and I've got no complaints at all.

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[newbie] new library issue

[Robert Wideman]

Yes, I have been up for 36 hours.  Just not tired.
Any thoughts on this one?

# rpm -qa|grep libstdc++
libstdc++2.10-2.96-0.80mdk
libstdc++-3.2-7
libstdc++5-3.2-1mdk
libstdc++5-devel-3.2-1mdk
# rpm -Uvh --test fluxbox-0.1.14-3mdk.i586.rpm
error: failed dependencies:libstdc++.so.5(GLIBCPP_3.2.2)   is needed by
fluxbox-0.1.14-3mdk
# rpm -q --whatprovides libstdc++.so.5
libstdc++5-3.2-1mdk
libstdc++-3.2-7


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Re: [newbie] libc.so.6 issue

[et]

a search on google for "libc.so.6 issue (aka;lost in the ether)" came up with;

 Index of /linux/Mandrake-devel/cooker/SRPMS
 ... 1.1.2-1mdk.s..> 06-Nov-2002 14:47 324k glib-1.2.10-6mdk.src..> 
25-Jun-2002 12:15
 347k glib2.0-2.2.0-1mdk.s..> 31-Dec-2002 14:00 1.4M glibc-2.3.1-7mdk.src..> 
22 ... 
ftp.belnet.be/linux/Mandrake-devel/cooker/SRPMS/ - 101k - Jan. 23, 2003 - 
Cached - Similar pages 

on the page, about 1/3 way down is a 14.9 meg file,
glibc-2.3.1-7mdk.src.rpm... 


http://ftp.belnet.be/linux/Mandrake-devel/cooker/SRPMS/


since it is a SRPM, it will have the source code and have to be compiled for 
your machine.. but it is not "broken"

27,000 hits, and the one _I_ personally liked was "http://www.lost_in_the 
_ether.info" (note; I don't think that site really works)


On Friday 24 January 2003 08:10 am, Robert Wideman wrote:
> >> glibc-2.3.1-7mdk
>
> Where can i find this?  I do not see it on any site.  I actually found a
> list where someone has it but has errors/problems with it but doesnt list
> where he got it from.  Nothing avail on the updates/plf sites either.  I do
> find the mdk SRC rpm, doesnt this just install the sources and not the
> actual files i need?
> I see that ASPLinux and Rawhide has it out for RPM but no one else does. 
> Is it safe to DL/install either of those distros rpms'?
>
>
> Rob
not really "safe" IMHO, as cooker (like rawhide) is the "expermental" or 
"testing" part of the distro, to be used only on machines that are not 
critical or production machines. Now if you want to try the file, it is most 
likely going to work, and even more so if you upgrade to "cooker" all the 
way, but it is _likely_ (and it's porpuse is) to have and find some bugs.
Also glibc is a very key componant, and a change in it may mean a complete 
"no-go" for the kernel you have now. 


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Re: [newbie] Searching 101

[et]

On Friday 24 January 2003 06:29 am, Robert Wideman wrote:
> I am seeing a lot of posts of where to find programs.  Yes i personally ask
> occasionally myself but that is b/c i have searched about 50 different
> sites.  The main sites for finding apps i use are search engines and i KNOW
> how to use them.  Only a very few people i know even think of using them.
> As a techie and an advocate of "find it yourself"...coming from a
> technician point of view who technically doesnt know anything just knows
> where to find the answer...use these sites:
> http://www.google.com
> http://rpm.pbone.net
> http://rpmfind.net
>
>
>
> Rob

NOw Rob,,, we are "NEWbies" and a bunch of folks too lazy to look at google... 
but really, there was some discussion a while ago about how it feels when you 
are "lost in the ether" to recieve "STFW-G" or "RTFD", and how we would try 
and be as civil as possible about it, and even go so far as to do the search, 
and then reply " a search on google for "lost in the ether" came up with 
27,000 hits, and the one _I_ personally liked was "http://www.lost_in_the 
_ether.info" (note; I don't think that site really works)
I is often pretty hard for someone (that just figured out that the cupholder 
keeps breaking when it wants to retract into the box for no reason, and it 
spills the coffee each time too) to figure out just which of those 27,000 
pages really have some info that might help and are not just selling stuff.


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RE: [newbie] libc.so.6 issue

[Robert Wideman]

NM, per your email i went to the FTP server that you got that from and
installed it as a source and i have fixed the issue.  I am now onto
installing the other apps that i wanted.  Thank you Very Much.
Rob





>> -Original Message-
>> From: Robert Wideman [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 7:10 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: RE: [newbie] libc.so.6 issue
>>
>>
>> >> glibc-2.3.1-7mdk
>>
>> Where can i find this?  I do not see it on any site.  I actually
>> found a list where someone has it but has errors/problems with
>> it but doesnt list where he got it from.  Nothing avail on the
>> updates/plf sites either.  I do find the mdk SRC rpm, doesnt
>> this just install the sources and not the actual files i need?
>> I see that ASPLinux and Rawhide has it out for RPM but no one
>> else does.  Is it safe to DL/install either of those distros rpms'?
>>
>>
>> Rob



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Re: [newbie] Modem lights [Solved]

[Keith Powell]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 11:40 am, John McQuillen wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 20:56, Keith Powell wrote:
> > On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 9:30 pm, John McQuillen wrote:
> > > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 02:30, Keith Powell wrote:
> > > > I have been investigating the Gnome desktop, and have been trying to
> > > > get the Modem Lights applet working to use it for dial-up. I can't
> > > > get it to work. When I click on it, nothing happens.
> > > >
> > > > It gives "pppon" (without the speech marks) as the connect command. I
> > > > assume that "pppon" is a script, but it doesn't appear to installed
> > > > anywhere. Trying to run "pppon" from a command line doesn't work
> > > > either.
> > > >
> > > > How do I get Modem Lights to work, please?
> > > >
> > > > I can't find a help file for it anywhere.
> > >
> > > Try '/sbin/ifup ppp0' and '/sbin/ifdown ppp0' for disconnect.
> >
> > I still can't get it to work: I must be doing something very wrong.
> >
> > In the "connect" command box I have tried the following:
> >
> > ifup ppp0
> > /sbin/ifup ppp0
> > cd /sbin/ifup ppp0
> >
> > I then changed the ifup permissions to 'me' as user and 'users' as group
> > and repeated the above. Although as 'others' could run the script, it
> > should have run without changing permissions.
> >
> > I then copied the ifup and ifdown scripts into the /etc/ppp folder and
> > tried again. Again Modem Lights asked me if I wanted to connect and then
> > just remained blank.
> >
> > The only way I can connect with ifup (and disconnect with ifdown) is to
> > enter
> >
> > cd /sbin and then run ifup ppp0 (or ifdown ppp0)
> >
> > in a terminal.
> >
> > Sorry to bother you further, but have you any more advice, please? I
> > don't know what else to try.
>
> You will have to allow normal users to run pppd. As Root, edit
> /etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0
>
> Set USERCTL="yes"
>
> Cross your fingers and try again with /sbin/ifup ppp0 in the Modem
> Lights connect box.
>
> I hope that works for you.
>
> Regards,
>
> John...

I followed your instructions and it is now working. 

Can I uncross my fingers, please? :-;

Many thanks for your help, John, it is appreciated. I can now continue 
investigating Gnome!

Cheers

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Re: [newbie] libc.so.6 issue

[Charles A Edwards]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 07:10:12 -0600
"Robert Wideman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> >> glibc-2.3.1-7mdk
> 
> Where can i find this?  I do not see it on any site.  I actually found
> a list where someone has it but has errors/problems with it but doesnt
> list where he got it from.  Nothing avail on the updates/plf sites
> either.  I do find the mdk SRC rpm, doesnt this just install the
> sources and not the actual files i need?
> I see that ASPLinux and Rawhide has it out for RPM but no one else
> does.  Is it safe to DL/install either of those distros rpms'?
> 
 
It is a cooker rpm and available from any of the cooker mirrors.
I am running 9.1 which is cooker. 

Not saying it can't be done but you may be letting yourself in for a
whole list of problems if you try to update your 9.0 system with to the
cooker glibc.


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Re: [newbie] Java installation

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Sat, 2003-01-25 at 00:01, Angus Auld wrote:

> If you need further instructions, there are others more qualified 
> than I who will assist you. This list is a super place...lots of kind 
> people!
> 

Kind people? Dang - where?

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RE: [newbie] libc.so.6 issue

[Robert Wideman]

>> glibc-2.3.1-7mdk

Where can i find this?  I do not see it on any site.  I actually found a
list where someone has it but has errors/problems with it but doesnt list
where he got it from.  Nothing avail on the updates/plf sites either.  I do
find the mdk SRC rpm, doesnt this just install the sources and not the
actual files i need?
I see that ASPLinux and Rawhide has it out for RPM but no one else does.  Is
it safe to DL/install either of those distros rpms'?


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Re: [newbie] Java installation

[Azrael]

chmod +x j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin
./j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin

agree to the terms etc

rpm -Uhv j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm

Of course, some or all of the above needs to be done as root.
The rpm line definatly has to be..

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 13:01, Angus Auld wrote:
> - Original Message -
> From: "Ongkie PDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Thanks to Anne, Robert, Stephen.
> > 
> > I did download the "j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin" file.
> > What I have to do to install it ?
> > 
> > Thx,
> > -OS-
> >
> Hi Ongkie, you can find pretty good installation instructions here:
> http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/jre/install-linux.html#install-pkg
> 
> If you need further instructions, there are others more qualified 
> than I who will assist you. This list is a super place...lots of kind 
> people!
> 
> All the best to you!
> 
> 
> --Angus
> 
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>Thurber
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RE: [newbie] Java installation

[Klar Brian D Contr MSG/SICN]

You may need to chmod +x the file.bin then ./filename.bin will end up being a rpm file 
which
may also need to be chmod +x filename.rpm 
rpm -Uvh filename.rpm

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- Original Message -
From: "Ongkie PDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks to Anne, Robert, Stephen.
> 
> I did download the "j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin" file.
> What I have to do to install it ?
> 
> Thx,
> -OS-
>
Hi Ongkie, you can find pretty good installation instructions here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/jre/install-linux.html#install-pkg

If you need further instructions, there are others more qualified 
than I who will assist you. This list is a super place...lots of kind 
people!

All the best to you!


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Re: [newbie] Internet security Mandrake 9.0

[Derek Jennings]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 10:32 am, Rifza Adriansyah wrote:
> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
> Hash: SHA1
>
> On Thursday 23 January 2003 10:05 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> > (Hmm How do you know that site does not contain malicious HTML
> > designed to cause a buffer overflow in your browser and install a
> > Trojan on your computer?  - The best defence against that
> > possibility is to not visit the site with Internet Explorer :-)
>
> I read at www.linuxsecurity.com that there is a trojan for linux in
> mp3 files. Have you heard or read about this, Derek ?. Could tripwire
> protect linux box from trojan horses ?. Any comments will be
> appreciated.
>
> - --
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>

Yes. I read about it here http://212.100.234.54/content/6/28842.html
and here 
http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=4252

It exploits a bug in a version of mpg123 to run arbitary code when you play a 
malicious mp3 file.  It can damage files in your *user* account (so long as 
you are not running as root)

The version of mpg123 shipped with Mandrake is not vulnerable, and the 
alternative mp3 player mpg321 is not affected.

There was also a bug found in mozilla a while back which would allow a 
malicious website to run arbitary code in your computer. 
http://www.mozilla.org/projects/security/known-vulnerabilities.html

I am no security expert, but I do not think Tripwire would protect against 
either of those attacks. As I understand it tripwire works by comparing files 
checksums against those previously calculated to find evidence of intrusion. 
(As can msec)

While Linux is not immune to malicious attack, it is certainly better 
protected than Windows, but you should still get your security updates 
regularly.

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Re: [newbie] Xine - update & (S)VCD

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 10:55 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I would like a copy of the vcdx rpm if that's OK
>
> I would like to be able to use my 'real fancy' menus I've done for my vcds
> ;)

I don't have an rpm, just .tar.gz, and it's too large to send through the 
list.  I'll send it off-list.

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Re: [newbie] Java installation

[Angus Auld]

- Original Message -
From: "Ongkie PDS" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Thanks to Anne, Robert, Stephen.
> 
> I did download the "j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin" file.
> What I have to do to install it ?
> 
> Thx,
> -OS-
>
Hi Ongkie, you can find pretty good installation instructions here:
http://java.sun.com/j2se/1.4.1/jre/install-linux.html#install-pkg

If you need further instructions, there are others more qualified 
than I who will assist you. This list is a super place...lots of kind 
people!

All the best to you!


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Re: [newbie] libc.so.6 issue

[Charles A Edwards]

On Fri, 24 Jan 2003 02:58:36 -0600
"Robert Wideman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> I am having problems with libc.so.6.  I am trying to install a few
> progs(mainly fluxbox mdk rpm) and i have libc.so.6 installed with
> lsbdev-1.0.6-1mdk.  "rpm -qa|grep lsbdev" finds the package, but no
> program(rpm installation) finds libc.so.6.  I have checked the
> ld-lsb.so.conf and the locations where libc.so.6 was not in there so i
> added it (same for ld.so.conf.  Here is the following from the
> outputs.

libc.so.6 is provided by glibc.  

rpm -q --whatprovides libc.so.6
glibc_lsb-2.2.90-11mdk
glibc-2.3.1-7mdk

The program you are trying to compile is looking for a specific version
of this lib.
It requires that provided by glibc-2.3.1.
With Mandrake 9.0 you have glibc-2.2.5, so the program will not build.


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Re: [newbie] write permission changes on restart

[Derek Jennings]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 11:58 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:50, fifner the dragon wrote:
> > I set permissions for a folder to allow both group and others to write to
> > it. Everytime I restart the computer I have to log in as root and set the
> > permissions again. How do I make the permission changes permanent?
> > Thanks in advance,
> > Fifner
>
> If I recall, this has something to do with a security sentry - a setting
> in the MCC that will, every so many hours, make system wide changes to
> the security of the system. Can't quite remember if it was in connection
> with Shorewall or just MDK security - but you might wanna have a poke
> around in your MCC's security settings and check...


Yep. This was discussed yesterday. Depending on the security level you have 
set Mandrake Secure will go around your system hourly tightening up security 
holes which could be exploited by an intruder.
You can either stop making security holes, or reduce your security level so 
msec stops complaining.
The table in Mandrake ControlCentre>Security>SecurityPermissions shows the 
permissions msec will enforce on different folders at the various security 
levels.

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Re: [newbie] Java installation

[robin]

Ongkie PDS wrote:

Thanks to Anne, Robert, Stephen.

I did download the "j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin" file.
What I have to do to install it ?



cd to the directory you downloaded it to, then just  type 
./j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin

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[newbie] Java installation

[Ongkie PDS]

Thanks to Anne, Robert, Stephen.

I did download the "j2re-1_4_1_01-linux-i586-rpm.bin" file.
What I have to do to install it ?

Thx,
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Re: [newbie] write permission changes on restart

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 22:50, fifner the dragon wrote:
> I set permissions for a folder to allow both group and others to write to it.
> Everytime I restart the computer I have to log in as root and set the permissions 
>again.
> How do I make the permission changes permanent?
> Thanks in advance,
> Fifner

If I recall, this has something to do with a security sentry - a setting
in the MCC that will, every so many hours, make system wide changes to
the security of the system. Can't quite remember if it was in connection
with Shorewall or just MDK security - but you might wanna have a poke
around in your MCC's security settings and check...

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[newbie] write permission changes on restart

[fifner the dragon]

I set permissions for a folder to allow both group and others to write to it.

Everytime I restart the computer I have to log in as root and set the permissions 
again.

How do I make the permission changes permanent?



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Re: [newbie] Modem lights

[John McQuillen]

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 20:56, Keith Powell wrote:
> On Thursday 23 Jan 2003 9:30 pm, John McQuillen wrote:
> > On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 02:30, Keith Powell wrote:
> > > I have been investigating the Gnome desktop, and have been trying to get
> > > the Modem Lights applet working to use it for dial-up. I can't get it to
> > > work. When I click on it, nothing happens.
> > >
> > > It gives "pppon" (without the speech marks) as the connect command. I
> > > assume that "pppon" is a script, but it doesn't appear to installed
> > > anywhere. Trying to run "pppon" from a command line doesn't work either.
> > >
> > > How do I get Modem Lights to work, please?
> > >
> > > I can't find a help file for it anywhere.
> >
> > Try '/sbin/ifup ppp0' and '/sbin/ifdown ppp0' for disconnect.
> >

> I still can't get it to work: I must be doing something very wrong.
> 
> In the "connect" command box I have tried the following:
> 
> ifup ppp0
> /sbin/ifup ppp0 
> cd /sbin/ifup ppp0
> 
> I then changed the ifup permissions to 'me' as user and 'users' as group and 
> repeated the above. Although as 'others' could run the script, it should have 
> run without changing permissions.
> 
> I then copied the ifup and ifdown scripts into the /etc/ppp folder and tried 
> again. Again Modem Lights asked me if I wanted to connect and then just 
> remained blank.
> 
> The only way I can connect with ifup (and disconnect with ifdown) is to enter
> 
> cd /sbin and then run ifup ppp0 (or ifdown ppp0)
>  
> in a terminal.
> 
> Sorry to bother you further, but have you any more advice, please? I don't 
> know what else to try.
> 

You will have to allow normal users to run pppd. As Root, edit
/etc/sysconfig/network-scripts/ifcfg-ppp0

Set USERCTL="yes"

Cross your fingers and try again with /sbin/ifup ppp0 in the Modem
Lights connect box.

I hope that works for you.

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Re: [newbie] re: java

[Mark Weaver]

Raffaele Belardi wrote:

To check the path(s), type
$ env | grep PATH

or
$ echo $PATH

I don't think java.rpm sets up the path to the executables. You can do 
it by hand adding it to your .bashrc. Or, you can create a 
/etc/profile.d/local.sh as root, and put those settings there, so they 
will be loaded by all the users when they login.

For example, here's my /etc/profile.d/local.sh (but for .bashrc it would 
be the same):
-
# Configuration variables added by me

# variables for Forte Java Developement environment
export JDK_HOME=/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.0/
PATH=$PATH:/usr/local/j2sdk1.4.0/bin

# variable for Mozilla 1.0
export MOZILLA_FIVE_HOME=/usr/local/mozilla
-

The ony advantage I see of having a ~/bin is that its content will not 
be deleted (provided /home is in its own partition) when you upgrade the 
distribution. But be warned that normally rpm packages will install in a 
system directory (i.e. /usr/local or the like) and it will not be easy 
to convince them to use ~/bin instead. I abandoned the ~/bin almost 
immediately.
Unless, of course, you plan to develop your own stuff. In this case, a 
~/bin and the proper path is the way to go.

raffaele

Or, you could simply place symlinks from the java executables into 
/usr/bin and you wouldn't have to fuss with any of the PATH stuff cause 
/usr/bin is already in all the $USER paths.

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Re: [newbie] Java

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 20:59, Ongkie PDS wrote:
> Dear Friend,
> 
> I need to open a website that use java applet, where can I download the java 
> rpm?
> 
> Thx n rgrds,
> -OS-
> 

http://java.sun.com

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Hello,

Does anyone know how to display user and groups information on command line.

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RE: [newbie] libc.so.6 issue

[Stephen Kuhn]

On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 20:49, Robert Wideman wrote:

> # ldconfig
> # man rpm
> /usr/bin/gtbl: /lib/i686/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required
> by /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5)
> groff: /lib/i686/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by
> /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.5)
> # more ld-lsb.so.conf
> /lib/lsb
> /usr/lib
> /usr/X11R6/lib
> /lib/i686
> /usr/local/lib
> # more ld.so.conf
> /usr/X11R6/lib
> /usr/lib/qt3/lib
> /usr/lib/wine
> /usr/lib
> /lib/i686
> /lib/lsb
> /lib
> /usr/local/lib
> 
> 
> I had also run the ldd and "ldconfig -p" and it is listed.
> Any thoughts??
> Rob

What happens when you do a:

locate libc.so.6

???

What is the path that shows where it's at?

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[newbie] Searching 101

[Robert Wideman]

I am seeing a lot of posts of where to find programs.  Yes i personally ask
occasionally myself but that is b/c i have searched about 50 different
sites.  The main sites for finding apps i use are search engines and i KNOW
how to use them.  Only a very few people i know even think of using them.
As a techie and an advocate of "find it yourself"...coming from a technician
point of view who technically doesnt know anything just knows where to find
the answer...use these sites:
http://www.google.com
http://rpm.pbone.net
http://rpmfind.net



Rob



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[newbie] Heartwarming/hopeful article about MandrakeSoft

[Angus Auld]

Here's something in a more "positive" vein:
http://www.ofb.biz/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=193


   

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RE: [newbie] Xine - update & (S)VCD

[Jamie . Kerwick]

I would like a copy of the vcdx rpm if that's OK

I would like to be able to use my 'real fancy' menus I've done for my vcds
;)

Ta

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Subject: Re: [newbie] Xine - update & (S)VCD


On Friday 24 Jan 2003 1:11 am, Pilagá wrote:
> El Jue 23 Ene 2003 18:23, Anne Wilson escribió:
> > installs.  I got the vcdx tarball, but I'm wrestling with that.  It 
> > says it can't find xine-lib or the config file that xine-lib 
> > installs.
> >
> > Anne
>
>   Anne, I just have build vcdx_rpm (mdk 9.0). If you want, I can send 
> it to you (100K). I can't test it, because I don't have (s)vcd files 
> here.)
>
Thanks, Pilaga, but I don't think I need it.  By now you should have read my

message that all is working.  It turned out that I needed to add 
subdirectories of .../plugins/1.0.0, and that resolved everything.

My thanks again to you, Jamie and Stephen for helping me to track down the 
problem.

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Re: [newbie] Internet security Mandrake 9.0

[Rifza Adriansyah]

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On Thursday 23 January 2003 10:05 pm, Derek Jennings wrote:
> (Hmm How do you know that site does not contain malicious HTML
> designed to cause a buffer overflow in your browser and install a
> Trojan on your computer?  - The best defence against that
> possibility is to not visit the site with Internet Explorer :-)

I read at www.linuxsecurity.com that there is a trojan for linux in 
mp3 files. Have you heard or read about this, Derek ?. Could tripwire 
protect linux box from trojan horses ?. Any comments will be 
appreciated.

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Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 10:31 am, Franki wrote:
> I'd agree, except that some of them get killed from it..
>
> they try to get you to come over to "help get things moving" and when you
> get there
> they put a gun to your head and make you withdraw every cent you have and
> hand it over..
>
OK - I haven't heard of that happening, but of course that's 'not acceptable'.

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Re: [newbie] OT: website usability

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 6:49 am, J or M Montgomery wrote:
> > From: Anne Wilson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >
> > > RANT
> > > All web designers should be forced to sit behind an average user while
> > > he tries to find something.  He should be bound and gagged for the
> > > duration, then whipped soundly afterwards.
> > > /RANT
> > >
> > > Anne
> > >
>
> While we are at it, lets require all engineers who design small gas
> engines, to change the oil before the engines are marketed.
>
> One implement which I have, must be tipped upside down (by two people) in
> order to drain the crankcase.
>
I used to say the same about cleaning cookers.  They always used to have sharp 
corners in places that could not be accessed without taking the whole hob 
apart, and sometimes that was not possible either.  So much for kitchen 
hygiene.  Well, it seems they eventually got the message on that one, so who 
knows, if we keep screaming?

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Re: [newbie] OpenSource AutoCad for Linux?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 1:49 am, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
> Anne:
> As much as it hurts to say something nice about MS, it was usually only
> AutoCAD that crashed under NT 4.0, but the OS stayed up. With Win9, crashes
> invariably took the whole system down and, in some instances, sent the file
> to the Great Bit Bucket in the Sky. And that's why I became obsessive about
> doing frequent file saves.
> -- cmg

While I agree that NT4 and W2K were more stable than win98, I've used all 
three and my experiences have not been pleasant with any of them.  W2K was 
arguably the best, but it still gave me no end of problems.  I saw far too 
many bsods, and eventually crashed so badly that I could not even re-install.  
I presume it left a stub in the mbr or somewhere equally essential.  I have 
some problems here on mdk 9.0, but they are nothing compared with my previous 
headaches.  Of course, I was told back in the 80's that I push my computers 
too far, expecting them to be able to do absolutely anything that comes into 
my mind 

As for backups, I started on a ZX81, with the 16K memory pack strapped to the 
back with insulating tape.  Need I say more 

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Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest

[Vahur Lokk]

On Friday 24 January 2003 12:31, you wrote:
> I'd agree, except that some of them get killed from it..

It is impossible to protect a human beings from their own greed.
End of story.
Believe me, I am ex-senior official of stock market supervision in my land 
and I talk from personal experience.
Its darwinism at its best.

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RE: [newbie] Java

[Robert Wideman]

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>> -Original Message-
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>> Sent: Friday, January 24, 2003 3:59 AM
>> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> Subject: [newbie] Java
>> 
>> 
>> Dear Friend,
>> 
>> I need to open a website that use java applet, where can I 
>> download the java 
>> rpm?
>> 
>> Thx n rgrds,
>> -OS-
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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RE: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest

[Franki]

I'd agree, except that some of them get killed from it..

they try to get you to come over to "help get things moving" and when you
get there
they put a gun to your head and make you withdraw every cent you have and
hand it over..

now I couldn't care less if they get suckered for all their cash, but even
greedy dumbass's shouldn't have to die from it..

I mean most places don't kill you for being a murderer, or a pedophile or
rapist etc,,, so being a greedy dumbass shouldn't involve a death sentence..

I report all the scam emails I get to the online repositories for such
things... and then i reply them with dummy smtp details and tell them to
f**k off and that they have been reported to their ISP /authorities etc...

since the return email and everything else is dummy, I don't get bothered by
replys, especially since not many of these wankers have the knowhow to track
me anyway...

but you are right, if they are so greedy, losing all their money is almost
suitable recompense..


rgds

Franki

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Sent: Friday, 24 January 2003 6:07 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [newbie] OT - Spam at it's greatest


On Friday 24 Jan 2003 12:08 am, Roger Sherman wrote:
> On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > I finally got it - the great Nigerian money-laundering scam email.  I
> > haven't seen one of those since I got it by fax years ago, though I knew
> > they were still around. :)
> >
> > Anne
>
> There was an article in the NY Post today about a Wisconsin businessman
> who got suckered to the tune of $200k by that. I say if he's that dumb, he
> doesn't deserve the money. ;-)

Hear, hear.  I object to public money being spent on investigating suckers
like this.  They have demonstrated that they are willing to break the laws
of
Nigeria and their own country if it satisfies their greed.  Let them live
with the consequences.

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Re: [newbie] change uid when entering directory

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 4:37 am, tom wrote:
> Hi,
> Since I'm a newbie, I don't know whether this is a pointless
> question...but I will ask anyway.
> All important data on my system is stored on a separate
> partition of my harddisk. as a person who doesn't
> like 'permission denied' messages, I'd like to be able to access
> and edit, etc. the files on that partition regardless of
> the user I'm currently logged in astherefore my question:
> is it possible to create some user 'dataaccess' who owns
> all those filesand as soon as any other user enters that
> filesystem they get assigned the uid and gid of 'dataaccess'
> such that whenever, say, user 'me' creates a file, it will
> have the uid and gid of 'dataaccess'kind of an automatic
> user switching?
> if that is possible (mount option?), can it also be done with
> directories instead of partitions only?
> and what would be the problems if a user's home directory
> is a subdirectory of the one mentionned above?
>
> thanks for any piece of advice
> tom

That sounds complicated.  All I do is assign my data directories to group 
'users' making sure that all my users are in that group (you can omit some if 
you need to, or make another group to work the same way),  Give the group 
users whatever permissions you need to, and make sure that it is applied to 
all subdirectories.  I have no problems.  Most of my data is on fat32 
partitions, and some of them are shared under samba.  It works fine.

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Re: [newbie] OpenSource AutoCad for Linux?

[Anne Wilson]

On Friday 24 Jan 2003 1:03 am, Stephen Kuhn wrote:
> On Fri, 2003-01-24 at 08:26, Anne Wilson wrote:
> > At least if it will run under win4lin it will not drag everything down
> > with it when it goes :)
> >
> > Anne
>
> Here's a quickie for Win4Lin people - I've installed the "kernel" from
> it on a test box - but no instructions, nada - so what next?

I forgot to say, that you then install windows apps in exactly the same way as 
under native windows.

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