Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Friday 27 August 2004 12:52, Stephen Kühn wrote:
 On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 03:31, Vincent Voois wrote:
  charlie wrote:
 snip
  It just got upset of Hoyt's remark about Kmail being too unstable.

 Kmail unstable?
 Outlook and Outlook Express are unstable; Kmail is just, er, quirky.

I dont recall OE ever refusing to send a message I thoght it sent too 
much.  Perhaps the defination of quirky and unstable ought to be 
reversed.
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Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Friday 27 August 2004 13:38, Kaj Haulrich wrote:
 On Friday 27 August 2004 19:22, Vincent Voois wrote:

 snip


 Until I receive a new set of installation CDs from HP, her Windows
 XP stays disconnected. With the new installation disks at hand, I
 will install XP, Then Open Office, Mozilla, 5 antivirus, 3
 trojan/worm/spyware/ad-ware killers and 2 firewalsl (all downloaded
 and burned from my linux box). Then, maybe, it will be connected.
 Until then, my daughter uses her account on my Linux box.

 She herself is now highly motivated to stay off the internet with
 her Windows XP. Reason : We reviewed the logs from the various
 cleaning applications. They showed no less than 1543 dubious
 files. In one week.

 We don't like flies, so we don't put a carcass in our living room
 and then open the Windows.

 Kaj Haulrich.
That is one good reason there are others.  Have you considered Win4linux 
or Crossover Office?
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Re: [newbie] Book recommendations?

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Friday 27 August 2004 16:15, Peter Davis wrote:
 I know this is heresy, but I'd love to get recommendations for a book
 on becoming a Linux power user.  It's heresy because I'm supposed to
 get everything I need from man pages, Google, or reading source code.
 However, frankly, I don't have the patience for that anymore.  I like
 the orderly explanations that a good book can offer.  Unfortunately,
 I'm finding that my *n*x experience (DEC Ultrix, SGI Irix, etc.) is
 too far in the past, and too dissimilar to Mandrake, to be helping me
 much.

 Thanks,

 -pd
For a starting point 'urpmi rute'
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Re: [newbie] urpmi gone!

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Smith
Stephen Kühn wrote:
...and I'll assume you've rebooted and double checked in the
/usr/sbin directory for any remnants of urpmi and associated
programs?
Thanks, Stephen. Now, I am trying to do the following:
[EMAIL PROTECTED] paulus]# urpmi.update Installation CD 1 (x86)
(cdrom1) removable://mnt/cdrom/ trying to select nonexistent
medium removable://mnt/cdrom/ examining synthesis file
[/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Cooker.cz] examining synthesis
file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Contrib.cz] examining
synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.main.cz] examining
synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.Updates.cz] 
examining synthesis file
[/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.update_source.cz] examining
synthesis file [/var/lib/urpmi/synthesis.hdlist.plf.cz] mounting
/mnt/cdrom unable to access medium Installation CD 1 (x86)
(cdrom1), this could happen if you mounted manually the directory
when creating the medium.
You can always remove all the media already listed, then one by one 
recreate them (so you know things are being pointed to the right
places; I generally copy all the CD's to the local drive, blow out
the original installation sources, then recreate them; that way, in
the course of a month or so, I know I have all the bits and bobs I
need, and then narrow it all down to update media...
Good piece of advice: I removed all the media and, afterwards, I added 
them and the problem became solved. Thanks, Stephen.

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Re: [newbie] Hard Drive Question

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Friday 27 August 2004 16:22, BJ Tracy wrote:
 On Thursday 26 August 2004 05:58 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:

 Snip
 Thanks Hoyt,  I'm still a little confused.  By reading your
 partitions you have one large hard drive.  I have Three (3) and one
 is working great.
Yes one 120GB.

   Here is what I have then I will ask for advice / help.
   My new hard drive has   /   swap and   /home on it.

 Snip
 Did you use DiskDrake to partition your hard drive??  The options
 /backup and /music are not in my options OR can I call them anything
 I want and assign them to /part 1 thru 12 as needed ???
You can forget about them if you want they are what I use and your 
drives should reflect your use.  And yes I used Diskdrake(mount point) 
during the installation to paritition the drive which will allow you to 
do all three of your drives just remember to format all drives and all 
partitions, (also you will have an option to check for bad blocks.  
This takes about an hour for my drive) but if you dont know or have 
some reason to suspect any drive its a good idea.  Also IIRC you are 
not limited to 12 partitions I seem to remember 24 per extended 
partition(could be incorrect).

   My question is:  If I go into Mount Points and go to each hard
   drive and choose the partition size and define it what should
   they be ?
Anything you want them to be misc1, misc2, keep1, keep2, in my case I 
used backup. You can see in mount point the directories that the system 
wants after you use all of them it dosent matter as long as you define 
them they will be mounted.

  /var ??  another /home ? ?. just what I'm not sure.  I have all
 this space and it's not showing up usable.
 Snip
? ?  Do I need a swap on all three drives ? ?
No although I have been advised by some to put a swap at the beginning 
and at the end of the partitions.

   I have gone thru all my books and the net and nothing really
   talks about multiple hard drives.

 There is really nothing out there for multiple hard drives.
 Snip

   I'm really confused now on what to do.
   Thanks for all your help in advance,
   bj

 Snip
 This is helpful .  Do you have just one large hard drive ?
Yes.

Alter it to your needs:
 
  FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
2.9G  123M  2.7G   5% /
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12
 18G  4.7G   12G  28% /backup
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
 66M   11M   53M  17% /boot
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7
 20G  3.6G   15G  20% /home
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part10
 34G   26G  5.9G  82% /music
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8
7.7G  406M  7.0G   6% /tmp
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9
 20G  5.9G   13G  33% /usr
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part11
9.5G  207M  8.8G   3% /var
  I have installed everything that looked interesting so in my case
  reseting the part's to used would be sufficient.

 Thanks again.
 Sorry  Still confused
 bj

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Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP

2004-08-28 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Saturday 28 August 2004 12:50, Hoyt Bailey wrote:

snip
 That is one good reason there are others.  Have you considered
 Win4linux or Crossover Office?
/snip

Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other 
applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a 
very special beast.

Never mind Hoyt, Lyvim, John and all you nice people. My daughters 
Windows box stays off the net, she uses Linux for networking, 
there's peace in my home, in my mind and - hopefully on this fine 
list too.

Have a good week-end, all.

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Re: [newbie] Hard Drive Question

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Friday 27 August 2004 16:23, BJ Tracy wrote:
 On Thursday 26 August 2004 05:58 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
 SNIP
 Thanks Hoyt but I'm still a little confused.  From your response you
 have one large hard drive ( I think that is what I see ).
Yes.

 I have three large hard drives - I is perfect and the other two well
 not sure.
If not sure means not mounted then likely they have not been defined in 
Mount Point.

  My question is:  If I go into Mount Points and go to each hard drive
  and choose the partition size and define it what should they be ?
  /var another /home . just what I'm not sure.  I have all this
  space and it's not showing up usable.
Do not make duplicate partitions(two with the same name).

 Do I need a swap file on all three hard drives?
No.

   Also do I need a swap on all three drives?
  
   I have gone thru all my books and the net and nothing really
   talks about multiple hard drives.
  
   I'm really confused now on what to do.
   Thanks for all your help in advance,
   bj

 SNIP
 Hoyt,
 Are you using the DiskDrake tool to do this?  The reason I'm askin is
 that /music is not an option neither is /backup.
 I'm not sure of you mount scheme either.
If you use Mount Point to define your part's then they will be mounted.
 Can you call a partition anything you want and assign it to part 1
If you delete all parts and start with all three disks clean then hda 
should be the first disk and the first part can be called anything you 
want normally '/boot' or '/' but anything you want. Windows even.
 thru 12 ?
Let mount point worry about the part # it knows more about that than you 
and I both put together. You might want to put a swap near the begining 
for easy and more rapid access.

  I went through this exercise a while ago and got a lot of
  suggestions from which I developed a scheme.  It proved to be
  somewhat too generous and if I had to do it again I would set
  things closer to the used col. I am not going to give any advice
  but will because I am sending you my df.  Alter it to your needs:
  FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part6
2.9G  123M  2.7G   5% /
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part12
 18G  4.7G   12G  28% /backup
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
 66M   11M   53M  17% /boot
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7
 20G  3.6G   15G  20% /home
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part10
 34G   26G  5.9G  82% /music
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part8
7.7G  406M  7.0G   6% /tmp
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part9
 20G  5.9G   13G  33% /usr
  /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part11
9.5G  207M  8.8G   3% /var
  I have installed everything that looked interesting so in my case
  reseting the part's to used would be sufficient.

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Re: [newbie] External Drive

2004-08-28 Thread et
On Saturday 28 August 2004 00:38, John Wilson wrote:
 On August 27, 2004 08:17 pm, Marc wrote:
  I just tried to use a USB external drive  in ML 10.0 My hopes were that
  ML would detect it and add a icon to my desktop like my card reader did.
  I was wrong, it was not that simple. Anyone have any ideas about how to
  get a External HDD workinh in ML 10.0?
 
  TIA
  Marc

 Hi Marc

 My copy of MDK 10 found the drive and added it like a charm. I know that
 doesn't help a lot but it does show that it can be done.

 For the record it's an 80 Gig Western Digital drive formated with fat, at
 least for now. :-)

 ttfn

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Re: [newbie] Hard Drive Question

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Friday 27 August 2004 16:26, BJ Tracy wrote:
 Hello All,

 Thanks Hoyt for responding to my questions.

 Not sure if you are going to see my responses,  I tried to respond
 and Kmail went nuts and crashed the first time and rebooted itself
 the second time.

 What is up with that ??  I have never had any problems with
 Kmail.

 Can anyone help,,, is this a bug or what.

 Thanks again Hoyt, let me know if you get my other questions
 Regards to all,
 bj
Sorry I didnt feel well yesterday so I gave up early.  I think I had 
some good luck as to kmail when I switched from kernel-2.6.3.15 to 
2.3.6.16 a bugfix  possibly dating back a ways.
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Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP

2004-08-28 Thread PM
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 15:26, Kaj Haulrich wrote:

 
 Win4Linux runs Win98 only, not XP. Crossover doesn't list other 
 applications then the most common, such as Office. Derive is a 
 very special beast.
 
 Never mind Hoyt, Lyvim, John and all you nice people. My daughters 
 Windows box stays off the net, she uses Linux for networking, 
 there's peace in my home, in my mind and - hopefully on this fine 
 list too.
 
 Have a good week-end, all.
 
 Kaj Haulrich. 

Crossover only list the tried  proven applications, I use it for
several other apps that aren't listed.

Try the trial version, check whether yours work or not, but still
probably better to maintain the present setup.


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[newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All
My computer has a dual boot (Mandrake 10 and Windows2000) and I would 
like to enlarge Mandrake's partition at the expense of reducing 
Windows2000 partition. So, I am here asking for advice about the safest 
and the fastest way of doing this operation.

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[newbie] Mozilla misbehaving

2004-08-28 Thread Len Lawrence
I have just hit an old problem with mozilla, having networked my laptop
at last (10 months since receipt).  The same version of mozilla (1.4)
runs on my desktop with Mandrake Prosuite 9.2 and on the Sony VAIO
laptop with Mandrake Download Edition 9.2.  There is a problem with
saving pages or images on the laptop from mozilla.  Right click and
choose Save As and nothing happens, no popup and no download manager.
Does anybody know if there is a way to enable saving in the browser?
When I had this problem on the desktop I took it to the expert list
but nobody there could explain it.  They said they had never seen or
heard of such behaviour.  Using GNOME on both machines.

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Re: [newbie] External Drive

2004-08-28 Thread John Wilson
On August 28, 2004 05:46 am, et wrote:
 On Saturday 28 August 2004 00:38, John Wilson wrote:
  On August 27, 2004 08:17 pm, Marc wrote:
   I just tried to use a USB external drive  in ML 10.0 My hopes were that
   ML would detect it and add a icon to my desktop like my card reader
   did. I was wrong, it was not that simple. Anyone have any ideas about
   how to get a External HDD workinh in ML 10.0?
  
   TIA
   Marc
 
  Hi Marc
 
  My copy of MDK 10 found the drive and added it like a charm. I know that
  doesn't help a lot but it does show that it can be done.
 
  For the record it's an 80 Gig Western Digital drive formated with fat, at
  least for now. :-)
 
  ttfn
 
  John

 run as root, harddrake2?

Come to think of it, yes.   I'd actually installed it under XP to back up the 
last of the data on the XP partition before wiping it out completely.  On 
reboot into Linux it was found during the check for new hardware routine by 
harddrake.

I suspect Marc could do the same thing with MCC.

ttfn

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Re: [newbie] Can't get out of X Video Test in Installation

2004-08-28 Thread linuxnbe
Thanks Steve and Hoyt for your responses

There seemed to be a problem with the generic S3 video card that I had.
Even when the X Video test crashed the install (I left it for a half hour
and still nothing!) a reboot of the system came up with a working Linux
without the X Server. (since I hadn't gotten to the part that asks if I
would like to boot into X Server) So far so good.
I tried agian with the MCC (Mandrake Control Center) in text mode to
configure the video card but none of the settings worked so I changed video
cards. All working fine.
It is a very generic (and old) PCI video card with no real distinctive
markings on it other then the S3 chip (Trio64V2/DX) and SP765 Rev. F over
the CE cert. Not too worried about it.

Thanks again
Robert

- Original Message - 
From: Hoyt Bailey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Friday, August 27, 2004 12:12 PM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Can't get out of X Video Test in Installation


 On Thursday 26 August 2004 22:09, Steve Jeppesen wrote:
  On Thu, 26 Aug 2004 00:26:49 +0100
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   Anybody have the problem of the X Graphical Server test
   freezing in the installation.
 No, at least not yet.
 
  This used to happen to me every time I would install a new version of
  MD.  Live and learn after x number of times (probably 10 for me) and
  I eventually quit testing the xserver during install.
 
  Key here is, I never upgraded the monitor - those settings remain the
  same for each version of MD.  Now I have the monitor specs kept
  within arms length and plug in the appropriate horizontal and
  vertical refresh rates each time, and avoid the xserver test.  I just
  choose the custom setting during install and it provides fields for
  you to fill out - sorry I cannot be specific as to what that area of
  the install is like and what to look for, it's been awhile since that
  happened last.
 I have a generic monitor, there isnt even a mfg's name on it, yet this
 is good advice.  But I let the system make that decision.
 
  IRC though, I thought the xserver test eventually times out and puts
  you back to the install without freezing up.  Again, been awhile so I
  don't know if that happens now or not.
 In my case when I check X I get a multicolor screen (fancy test pattern)
 with a little box in the center that says something like 'is this ok'
 and a yes/no check yes every time and its all over.
 
  Warning though, be sure to plug in the correct values for your
  specific monitor.  If you do not have them, go to their web site and
  search up their support area for your monitor.  Unlike windows which
  trys to protect your system/monitor (can the word protect be in the
  same sentence as windows?) linux will allow you to fry the monitor at
  your discretion.
 True but not knowing who made the monitor can be a difficulty.
 
  Good luck

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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Brian Parish
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 23:12, Paul Smith wrote:
 Dear All
 
 My computer has a dual boot (Mandrake 10 and Windows2000) and I would 
 like to enlarge Mandrake's partition at the expense of reducing 
 Windows2000 partition. So, I am here asking for advice about the safest 
 and the fastest way of doing this operation.
 
 Thanks in advance,
 
 Paul
 
It depends on whether you want to enlarge a specific partition because
you are low on space on it, or whether you just want some more storage
available on a linux file system.

If it's the latter, then you can just use the tools under drakconf to
shrink your doze partition, then create a new partition in the free
space and mount it as /data or whatever.

You can use this approach to, for example, increase the storage
available under /home, by just mounting the new partition as
/home/new-name.  This makes /home physically segmented into two, but
allows you to use it logically as a single storage area.

It's a little more complicated if you need to really increase the size
of an existing partition, so perhaps it would be best if you tell us
more specifically what you need to achieve, so we can provide specific
directions.

HTH
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[newbie] Update site for Mandrake 10 official

2004-08-28 Thread Unknown
Hi all, 

I'm visiting relatives in Hong Kong and have access to 10Mbps internet for a 
week or so. 

I've just downloaded Mandrake 10 official. 

Can anyone suggest where to get all the updates so I can burn them to cd 
before going back home to my 56k dialup? 

Also, have to get with MSWindows :( thats what they have installed here... 
Chinese version at thatLucky 've used XP English enough to guess my way 
through the Chinese menus :):) 

TIA 

Al

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Re: [newbie] OT - Request for advice on Windows XP

2004-08-28 Thread John Richard Smith
Kaj Haulrich wrote:
replies within
On Saturday 28 August 2004 12:21, John Richard Smith wrote:
 

John, the HP box came with no CDs at all. Instead, the is an icon on 
the desktop, labelled create HP restore disks or some such. Being 
only human, I was curious and connected to the net first in order 
to see if this crap really worked. Then, after about half an hour, 
I clicked the icon. that initiated a burn of no less than 6 CDs. 

 

The set of installation CDs from HP that you refer to, were they
not supplied by HP with the  Computer  as backup/restore discs,
   

No. I had to burn'em myself. Self-service, y'know.
 

If you get stuck for an M$ XP install disc, see me off list.
John
   

Thanks, John. After some arguing back and forth HP agreed to send me 
fresh CD's.

Kaj Haulrich.
 

Heck,
Things have sunk low. HP doesn't even give you their own backup disks as 
an emergency recovery any more.

I mean, not unnaturally the average user , ain't gonna think of creating 
their own image backups, the moment they first  plug the PC in and boot 
up. So these people are totally stuffed, and totally reliant upon HP's 
generaosityif they still have them.Plus the backup is 
presumeably to HD where it can also get infected/corrupted.

All I can say is that HP used to give you their own backup/recovery dics.
That means your daughter did you a serice is getting your computer 
virused up early on in the computers life , because you were then quick 
enough to ask for the missing discs before they don't have them any more.

I'm glad I don't buy there proprietary PC's any more.
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Re: [newbie] External Drive

2004-08-28 Thread et
On Saturday 28 August 2004 10:56, John Wilson wrote:
 On August 28, 2004 05:46 am, et wrote:
  On Saturday 28 August 2004 00:38, John Wilson wrote:
   On August 27, 2004 08:17 pm, Marc wrote:
I just tried to use a USB external drive  in ML 10.0 My hopes were
that ML would detect it and add a icon to my desktop like my card
reader did. I was wrong, it was not that simple. Anyone have any
ideas about how to get a External HDD workinh in ML 10.0?
   
TIA
Marc
  
   Hi Marc
  
   My copy of MDK 10 found the drive and added it like a charm. I know
   that doesn't help a lot but it does show that it can be done.
  
   For the record it's an 80 Gig Western Digital drive formated with fat,
   at least for now. :-)
  
   ttfn
  
   John
 
  run as root, harddrake2?

 Come to think of it, yes.   I'd actually installed it under XP to back up
 the last of the data on the XP partition before wiping it out completely. 
 On reboot into Linux it was found during the check for new hardware routine
 by harddrake.

 I suspect Marc could do the same thing with MCC.

 ttfn

 John
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Re: [newbie] i2c pooblems w/lm_sensors.

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Saturday 28 August 2004 03:12, Thereidos wrote:
 W licie z pi, 27-08-2004, godz. 17:24, Hoyt Bailey pisze:

 snip

  [EMAIL PROTECTED] hoyt]# mount /sys
  mount: sysfs already mounted or /sys busy
  mount: according to mtab, none is already mounted on /sys

 snip
 Yeah, I had the same problem :)
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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Saturday 28 August 2004 08:12, Paul Smith wrote:
 Dear All

 My computer has a dual boot (Mandrake 10 and Windows2000) and
 I would like to enlarge Mandrake's partition at the expense of
 reducing Windows2000 partition. So, I am here asking for
 advice about the safest and the fastest way of doing this
 operation.

 Thanks in advance,

 Paul
Reinstall Mandrake 10 and select use entire disk.
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Re: [newbie] Update site for Mandrake 10 official

2004-08-28 Thread Kaj Haulrich
On Saturday 28 August 2004 17:33, Unknown wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm visiting relatives in Hong Kong and have access to 10Mbps
 internet for a week or so.

 I've just downloaded Mandrake 10 official.

 Can anyone suggest where to get all the updates so I can burn
 them to cd before going back home to my 56k dialup?

 Also, have to get with MSWindows :( thats what they have
 installed here... Chinese version at thatLucky 've used XP
 English enough to guess my way through the Chinese menus :):)

 TIA

 Al

You can try here : (all on one line)

ftp://ftp.club-internet.fr/pub/unix/linux/distributions/Mandrakelinux/official/updates/10.0/RPMS

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[newbie] need help with menu

2004-08-28 Thread Bobby
It's the newbness in me. lol have to check everything out to see what is 
what, and during this process I had changed my menu from the MDK default 
style to KDE style. How can I get the MDK menu style back. Because of 
this it also had altered my taskbar and it's back to the default layout. 
I had it setup the way I want it and what applets I wanted in the 
taskbar, but I can't put those particuliar applets in because their not 
in the menu now. Could someone help me getting my menu back to the 
default MDK style?

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla misbehaving

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Saturday 28 August 2004 09:37, Len Lawrence wrote:
 I have just hit an old problem with mozilla, having networked
 my laptop at last (10 months since receipt).  The same version
 of mozilla (1.4) runs on my desktop with Mandrake Prosuite 9.2
 and on the Sony VAIO laptop with Mandrake Download Edition
 9.2.  There is a problem with saving pages or images on the
 laptop from mozilla.  Right click and choose Save As and
 nothing happens, no popup and no download manager. Does
 anybody know if there is a way to enable saving in the
 browser? When I had this problem on the desktop I took it to
 the expert list but nobody there could explain it.  They said
 they had never seen or heard of such behaviour.  Using GNOME
 on both machines.

 Cheers
One of the I dont know crowd I am running 1.6 and firefox 0.8 no 
problem with saving anything.
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[newbie] problem playing DVD movies

2004-08-28 Thread Bobby
Before I had redone my computer switching my MDK to my 160gb hdd I was 
able to watch movies with totem, but now when a movie is in my DVD Rom I 
can't click on Play Movie in the menu when it comes up. How can I fix 
this problem?

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[newbie] rekall

2004-08-28 Thread jose usoz
Hello,

in the site of Charles Edwars  i found the Rekall (a database GUI for
MySQL, PosgreSQL, etc...) compiled for Mandrake 10, but when i urpmi, i
have this error:

[EMAIL PROTECTED] jusoz]# urpmi rekall
No se puede instalar algún paquete pedido:
librekall2-2.2.0-0.1mdk.i586 (debido a que no se satisfizo
devel(libxbsql))
rekall-2.2.0-0.1mdk.i586 (debido a que falta
librekall2-2.2.0-0.1mdk.i586) (S/n)

It seems the libxbsql is not present. Do you know the RPM for this file?

thanks and saludos,
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Re: [newbie] Update site for Mandrake 10 official

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Saturday 28 August 2004 10:33, Unknown wrote:
 Hi all,

 I'm visiting relatives in Hong Kong and have access to 10Mbps
 internet for a week or so.

 I've just downloaded Mandrake 10 official.

 Can anyone suggest where to get all the updates so I can burn
 them to cd before going back home to my 56k dialup?

 Also, have to get with MSWindows :( thats what they have
 installed here... Chinese version at thatLucky 've used XP
 English enough to guess my way through the Chinese menus :):)

 TIA

 Al
With a web browser go to urpmi.org and look for the link 
'easyurpmi' select a mirror close to you with the web browser 
find the update directory and download it, Otherwise download 
everything and put the whole thing on several CD's.
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Re: [newbie] problem playing DVD movies

2004-08-28 Thread Bryan Phinney
On Sunday 29 August 2004 01:55 pm, Bobby wrote:
 Before I had redone my computer switching my MDK to my 160gb hdd I was
 able to watch movies with totem, but now when a movie is in my DVD Rom I
 can't click on Play Movie in the menu when it comes up. How can I fix
 this problem?

We probably need more info, such as an error message.  If you run totem from 
the CLI, hopefully, you will see errors and can let us know.

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[newbie] GZIP/GUNZIP

2004-08-28 Thread Steve



I just loaded Mandrake 10 and want to add new 
programs like the latest version of Open Office, AOL Instant Messenger and a 
couple of others so I downloaded those files. They are tar'd and gzipped. 
However, I do not seem to have a program in KDE to unzip them. When I right 
click on them it does not give me the choice to unzip them because it does not 
know what they are. I have also downloaded the program KARCHIVER as an RPM but 
cannot get it to load becasue it fails file dependencies for a file that is in 
the RPM. I am at a stand still. DO you have any advice on how to get these 
programs unzipped so I can install them or what might be the problem with the 
KARCHIVER RPM?

Thanks,
Steve


Re: [newbie] GZIP/GUNZIP

2004-08-28 Thread jose usoz
 I just loaded Mandrake 10 and want to add new programs like the latest
 version of Open Office, AOL Instant Messenger and a couple of others
 so I downloaded those files. They are tar'd and gzipped. However, I do
 not seem to have a program in KDE to unzip them. When I right click on
 them it does not give me the choice to unzip them because it does not
 know what they are. I have also downloaded the program KARCHIVER as an
 RPM but cannot get it to load becasue it fails file dependencies for a
 file that is in the RPM. I am at a stand still. DO you have any advice
 on how to get these programs unzipped so I can install them or what
 might be the problem with the KARCHIVER RPM?
 
 Thanks,
 Steve

Hello,
maybe the zip?:

Nombre: zip
Versión: 2.3-10mdk
Tamaño: 273 KB

Resumen: A file compression and packaging utility compatible with PKZIP.
The zip program is a compression and file packaging utility.  Zip is
analogous to a combination of the UNIX tar and compress commands and is
compatible with PKZIP (a compression and file packaging utility for
MS-DOS systems).

saludos,
jose.


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Re: [newbie] W32.Netsky - Linux really better protected than windows?

2004-08-28 Thread David E. Fox
On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:31:40 +1000
Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 Save the attachment to your drive; un-tar/un-gzip it; cd into the virus
 directory; type sudo ./configure  make  make install; then run sudo
 /usr/bin/virus - sit back and watch your system fry.

pedant viruses should really be installed in /usr/local...

/pedant

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Re: [newbie] GZIP/GUNZIP

2004-08-28 Thread Eric Huff
 They are tar'd and gzipped.
 However, I do not seem to have a program in KDE to unzip them.

At the command line you can tar -xvzf  filname.tgz or whatever it is
called

I made an alias for it since i use it a lot:

alias untar='tar -xvzf'


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Re: [newbie] GZIP/GUNZIP

2004-08-28 Thread Aron Smith
On Saturday 28 August 2004 11:17 am, Steve wrote:
 I just loaded Mandrake 10 and want to add new programs like the latest
 version of Open Office, AOL Instant Messenger and a couple of others so I
 downloaded those files. They are tar'd and gzipped. However, I do not seem
 to have a program in KDE to unzip them. When I right click on them it does
 not give me the choice to unzip them because it does not know what they
 are. I have also downloaded the program KARCHIVER as an RPM but cannot get
 it to load becasue it fails file dependencies for a file that is in the
 RPM. I am at a stand still. DO you have any advice on how to get these
 programs unzipped so I can install them or what might be the problem with
 the KARCHIVER RPM?

 Thanks,
 Steve
open a terminal
tar xvzf package.tar.gz will n pack it 
then  enter the directory type ./configure type make
type su give root password
type make install
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Re: [newbie] GZIP/GUNZIP

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Saturday 28 August 2004 13:31, jose usoz wrote:
  I just loaded Mandrake 10 and want to add new programs like
  the latest version of Open Office, AOL Instant Messenger and
  a couple of others so I downloaded those files. They are
  tar'd and gzipped. However, I do not seem to have a program
  in KDE to unzip them. When I right click on them it does not
  give me the choice to unzip them because it does not know
  what they are. I have also downloaded the program KARCHIVER
  as an RPM but cannot get it to load becasue it fails file
  dependencies for a file that is in the RPM. I am at a stand
  still. DO you have any advice on how to get these programs
  unzipped so I can install them or what might be the problem
  with the KARCHIVER RPM?
 
  Thanks,
  Steve

 Hello,
 maybe the zip?:

 Nombre: zip
 Versión: 2.3-10mdk
 Tamaño: 273 KB

 Resumen: A file compression and packaging utility compatible
 with PKZIP. The zip program is a compression and file
 packaging utility.  Zip is analogous to a combination of the
 UNIX tar and compress commands and is compatible with PKZIP (a
 compression and file packaging utility for MS-DOS systems).

 saludos,
   jose.
You might want to try 'tar xzf filename'.
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[newbie] UltraATA 100 IDE

2004-08-28 Thread Mark Shaw
Are UltraATA 100 IDE drives backward-compatible to conventional
IDE?

I'm running a dual Windows XP / Linux-Mandrake box with an Asus
A7V133 motherboard.  I've decided to add a second HDD 1) to rip
my CD collection to and 2) as backup media for my primary HDD.
I'm finding some pretty good deals on 7200RPM, 200GB HDDs in
UltraATA 100.

My version of LM (7.2 (I know, I know)) doesn't support UltraATA
100, so I'm running the HDD on the conventional IDE bus. I'd
rather not upgrade the Linux side right at the moment.

Can I continue to use the conventional IDE bus?

Thanks.

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Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 15:31, John Wilson wrote:
 On August 27, 2004 04:28 am, Lanman wrote:
  seriously snipped!
 
 viciously and heartlessly snipped
  Now for my 2 cents,...
 
  Folks, if you think SP2 is gonna sway a lot of Microsoft users over to
  Linux, just wait until Microsoft releases LongHorn! There's gonna be a
  huge groundswell of people switching to linux when that happens!
 
  Lanman
 
 That's if and when Longhorn ever see's the light of day.  The longer it's 
 delayed the more it starts to sound like XP The Next Generation.
 
 http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1104_2-5326850.html
 
 A lot of it's alleged improvements are gonna be slipstreamed into XP by 
 Christmas this year so that M$ actually has something new to sell.  And, if 
 ZDNet is to be believed (and it can't be always) the wonderful new WinFS file 
 system will be released as beta with Longhorn in 2006/2007 or whenever.
 
 Another improvement to computiing by those famous vendors of high quality 
 vapourware...Steve Gates and Bill Balmer...or is it Bill Gates and Steve 
 Balmer, I can never get that right :)
 
 ttfn
 
 John

Same old story, same old song and dance.
Vapourware. Marketing. Promises that won't get kept.
MS Licensing 6.0; the biggest lie.
A new product every two years.

Makes you wonder how many corporate entities paid out for that one...

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Re: [newbie] webmin upgrade resets https-access??

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 18:48, Harald T ZIPKO wrote:
 After upgrading webmin to the actual version via webmin.com the hosts 
 are not accessible via https anymore??
 Not very safe, I guess... ;-)
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with the exception of compiling from source; have you restarted the
webmin service? Have you rebooted?

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Re: [newbie] Mozilla misbehaving

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 00:37, Len Lawrence wrote:
 I have just hit an old problem with mozilla, having networked my laptop
 at last (10 months since receipt).  The same version of mozilla (1.4)
 runs on my desktop with Mandrake Prosuite 9.2 and on the Sony VAIO
 laptop with Mandrake Download Edition 9.2.  There is a problem with
 saving pages or images on the laptop from mozilla.  Right click and
 choose Save As and nothing happens, no popup and no download manager.
 Does anybody know if there is a way to enable saving in the browser?
 When I had this problem on the desktop I took it to the expert list
 but nobody there could explain it.  They said they had never seen or
 heard of such behaviour.  Using GNOME on both machines.
 
 Cheers

I'd advise to blow out the ~/.mozilla directory or rename it and try
again; else, just upgrade to Firefox (faster, better, more features)

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[newbie] mouse kboard dont work

2004-08-28 Thread ostap110
Hi i have an old keyboard gateway2000 (the one that has 12 'f' buttons
onn the far left), and a relatively new simple laser logitech mouse.
It's USB, but I use the P/S 2 adapter that it came with. Whenever I boot
mandrake, the keyboard stops working. I tried fixing that by, going
thourgh the Install, and disabling all the services. Then it works, but
when i try to start the x window, neither keyboard nor mouse works. 

Mandrake is really nice, and i just wanna have a working system with
printing (btw mandrake is great at setting up printers) and Icewm. I
really would appreciate if you could help me. 
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Re: [newbie] W32.Netsky - Linux really better protected than windows?

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 04:35, David E. Fox wrote:
 On Sun, 22 Aug 2004 02:31:40 +1000
 Stephen Kühn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 
  Save the attachment to your drive; un-tar/un-gzip it; cd into the virus
  directory; type sudo ./configure  make  make install; then run sudo
  /usr/bin/virus - sit back and watch your system fry.
 
 pedant viruses should really be installed in /usr/local...
 
 /pedant

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Re: [newbie] mouse kboard dont work

2004-08-28 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 28 August 2004 03:12 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Hi i have an old keyboard gateway2000 (the one that has 12 'f' buttons
 onn the far left), and a relatively new simple laser logitech mouse.
 It's USB, but I use the P/S 2 adapter that it came with. Whenever I boot
 mandrake, the keyboard stops working. I tried fixing that by, going
 thourgh the Install, and disabling all the services. Then it works, but
 when i try to start the x window, neither keyboard nor mouse works.

 Mandrake is really nice, and i just wanna have a working system with
 printing (btw mandrake is great at setting up printers) and Icewm. I
 really would appreciate if you could help me.
 Regards
 N.

Is the problem apparent only in X-windows?

Does your keyboard have a PS/2 adapter or does it have one of the old-style 
din connectors?

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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Smith
Brian Parish wrote:
My computer has a dual boot (Mandrake 10 and Windows2000) and I would 
like to enlarge Mandrake's partition at the expense of reducing 
Windows2000 partition. So, I am here asking for advice about the safest 
and the fastest way of doing this operation.
It depends on whether you want to enlarge a specific partition because
you are low on space on it, or whether you just want some more storage
available on a linux file system.
If it's the latter, then you can just use the tools under drakconf to
shrink your doze partition, then create a new partition in the free
space and mount it as /data or whatever.
You can use this approach to, for example, increase the storage
available under /home, by just mounting the new partition as
/home/new-name.  This makes /home physically segmented into two, but
allows you to use it logically as a single storage area.
It's a little more complicated if you need to really increase the size
of an existing partition, so perhaps it would be best if you tell us
more specifically what you need to achieve, so we can provide specific
directions.
Thanks, Brian. The reason for enlarging my Linux partition is the fact 
that I have installed so many things that I am fearing that I am 
reaching the limit of my hard disk capacity. (My Linux partition has 8,5 
GB.) I use MS Windows very, very, rarely and my MS Windows partition has 
11,5 GB, which is a waste... so, I am wanting to enlarge my Linux 
partition. How can I check how my Linux partition is being used?

Hoyt: you are very radical... :)
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[newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Greg Meyer
I figure this one ought to keep the conversation going for a while.

I have been going through a Linux from Scratch build just for the learning 
experience, and something has just dawned on me.  If a Linux system needs to 
be built from a host system, how did the first linux system get built?

In other words, how can I create something that needs itself to be created?

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Re: [newbie] audio pop.

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sat, 2004-08-28 at 16:31, jmb10 wrote:
 Sup folks.
 
 i'd say i'm new to linux, other might not, but i'll post here anyway.
 
 
 i have just installed Mandrake 10.0 and have not done any modification 
 at all. i'm in gnome using the totem player, streaming some audio and 
 here's my problem:
 
 i have a more or less generic sound card (built in on a ECS mobo) and 
 when i'm listening to audio there is a noticeable pop with certain, 
 strong, high-freq (high to human ears and in the musical realm) sounds. 
 It's most noticeable in things like sharp snares or highhat hitsi 
 have a decent set of 2.1 Klipsch's, so i'm guessing it's not them.
 
 This was not there in XP. i checked my alsamixer settings and nothing is 
 above 75%totem is around ~30% volume and the speakers are down low, 
 but not too low (by the knob setting), bass is set low (knobs) and there 
 is this annoying pop. Prolly okay for me and my needs, but bothering 
 as i don't want to damage the speakers (in any way at all) and sure not 
 okay for anyone doing audio work - my gf is NOT happy at all with the pops.
 
 Just wondering if anyone else was getting pops or if this is just the 
 norm or if i should check some settings or something?
 
 Please advise.
 
 Thank you.
 
 j

I would tend to think that you need to adjust the mixer settings for
trble and bass (I had the same with my SB Live 128 5.1); a bit of
careful mixing and the sound is not so treble anymore...

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[newbie] Problem with MandrakeUpdate

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All
I removed all the media and, afterwards, I added all of them. 
Surprisingly, now, whenever I run MandrakeUpdate, all hdlists are 
updated at startup, which is not very convenient, specially if they are 
already updated. Any ideas to solve this?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 05:21, Paul Smith wrote:
 Brian Parish wrote:
 My computer has a dual boot (Mandrake 10 and Windows2000) and I would 
 like to enlarge Mandrake's partition at the expense of reducing 
 Windows2000 partition. So, I am here asking for advice about the safest 
 and the fastest way of doing this operation.
  
  It depends on whether you want to enlarge a specific partition because
  you are low on space on it, or whether you just want some more storage
  available on a linux file system.
  
  If it's the latter, then you can just use the tools under drakconf to
  shrink your doze partition, then create a new partition in the free
  space and mount it as /data or whatever.
  
  You can use this approach to, for example, increase the storage
  available under /home, by just mounting the new partition as
  /home/new-name.  This makes /home physically segmented into two, but
  allows you to use it logically as a single storage area.
  
  It's a little more complicated if you need to really increase the size
  of an existing partition, so perhaps it would be best if you tell us
  more specifically what you need to achieve, so we can provide specific
  directions.
 
 Thanks, Brian. The reason for enlarging my Linux partition is the fact 
 that I have installed so many things that I am fearing that I am 
 reaching the limit of my hard disk capacity. (My Linux partition has 8,5 
 GB.) I use MS Windows very, very, rarely and my MS Windows partition has 
 11,5 GB, which is a waste... so, I am wanting to enlarge my Linux 
 partition. How can I check how my Linux partition is being used?
 
 Hoyt: you are very radical... :)
 
 Paul


df -h

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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Charlie Mahan
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 I figure this one ought to keep the conversation going for a while.

 I have been going through a Linux from Scratch build just for the learning
 experience, and something has just dawned on me.  If a Linux system needs
 to be built from a host system, how did the first linux system get built?

 In other words, how can I create something that needs itself to be created?

 --
 /g

On an i386 running minix as far as I remember. I'd have to dig for links to 
the history but for some reason that answer is stuck in my feable and 
fallible old brain.

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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Smith
Stephen Kühn wrote:
Thanks, Brian. The reason for enlarging my Linux partition is the fact 
that I have installed so many things that I am fearing that I am 
reaching the limit of my hard disk capacity. (My Linux partition has 8,5 
GB.) I use MS Windows very, very, rarely and my MS Windows partition has 
11,5 GB, which is a waste... so, I am wanting to enlarge my Linux 
partition. How can I check how my Linux partition is being used?
df -h
Thanks, Stephen. Should I take some actions considering the following 
information?

[EMAIL PROTECTED] paulus]# df -h
FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5
  4,5G  3,5G  816M  82% /
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7
  2,8G  1,9G  933M  68% /home
/dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
   12G  6,4G  4,9G  57% /mnt/windows
[EMAIL PROTECTED] paulus]#
Paul


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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 07:16, Paul Smith wrote:
 Stephen Kühn wrote:
  Look, you say your rarely use it; what DO you use it for? Best bet would
  be to defrag it, then use either diskdrake or Partition Magic to resize
  it; else you could whack another drive in there and balance out your
  stuff...
 
 Stephen,
 
 Unfortunately, I have to use MS Windows for establishing a VPN 
 connection from home to my work, where the servers are all Microsoft. I 
 have not manage yet to use Linux for VPN connections, although I have 
 tried hard.
 
 Paul

VMWare?

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Re: [newbie] GZIP/GUNZIP

2004-08-28 Thread Tom Brinkman
On Saturday 28 August 2004 01:36 pm, Eric Huff wrote:
  They are tar'd and gzipped.
  However, I do not seem to have a program in KDE to unzip
  them.

 At the command line you can tar -xvzf  filname.tgz or whatever
 it is called

 I made an alias for it since i use it a lot:

 alias untar='tar -xvzf'


 eric

   Funny I find myself on the 'darkside' in this circumstance, but 
for tarballs I prefer to r-click and preview with Archiver (ark), 
then choose Extract to.   Mainly cause it handles any kind of 
compressed files, even windoze .zips, if you have the proper 
decompress utils installed.  Both it an FileRunner will even 
handle .rar's

  Tho I usually do those on the CL
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Re: [newbie] GZIP/GUNZIP

2004-08-28 Thread Derek Jennings
On Saturday 28 August 2004 19:17, Steve wrote:
 I just loaded Mandrake 10 and want to add new programs like the latest
 version of Open Office, AOL Instant Messenger and a couple of others so I
 downloaded those files. They are tar'd and gzipped. However, I do not seem
 to have a program in KDE to unzip them. When I right click on them it does
 not give me the choice to unzip them because it does not know what they
 are. I have also downloaded the program KARCHIVER as an RPM but cannot get
 it to load becasue it fails file dependencies for a file that is in the
 RPM. I am at a stand still. DO you have any advice on how to get these
 programs unzipped so I can install them or what might be the problem with
 the KARCHIVER RPM?

 Thanks,
 Steve

Do you have the kdeutils-ark package installed?
It provides the ark archiving package. It will appear when you right click on 
an archive file, or just double left click.


BTW: karchiver is on the contrib mirrors. You can install it by declaring a 
source for 'contrib' by following the instructions on this page
http://urpmi.org/easyurpmi/index.php

You can then install any package on contrib by using your normal Mandrake 
Software install GUI. All dependencies will be sorted out for you.

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Re: [newbie] rekall

2004-08-28 Thread Charles A Edwards
On Sat, 28 Aug 2004 19:56:57 +0200
jose usoz wrote:

 It seems the libxbsql is not present. Do you know the RPM for this
 file?


The specific missing depend, devel(libxbsql), is provided by
libxbsql0-devel-0.11-3mdk.i586.rpm.
You will also need libxbsql0-0.11-3mdk.i586.rpm.

Since you were using urpmi both should have been pulled-in if you have
Contrib mirror set-up as 1 of your source locations for urpmi.



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Re: [newbie] sp2 may have done something good

2004-08-28 Thread Vincent Voois
Another improvement to computiing by those famous vendors of high quality 
vapourware...Steve Gates and Bill Balmer...or is it Bill Gates and Steve 
Balmer, I can never get that right :)
Can't blame you, they're both fat and ugly.


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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 28 August 2004 05:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
 On Saturday 28 August 2004 14:23, Greg Meyer wrote:
  I figure this one ought to keep the conversation going for a
  while.
 
  I have been going through a Linux from Scratch build just for
  the learning experience, and something has just dawned on me.
  If a Linux system needs to be built from a host system, how
  did the first linux system get built?
 
  In other words, how can I create something that needs itself
  to be created?
 
  --
  /g

 Easy.  On a UNIX system.

But then how was the first UNIX system created?


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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Saturday 28 August 2004 07:14 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Saturday 28 August 2004 05:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
  On Saturday 28 August 2004 14:23, Greg Meyer wrote:
   I figure this one ought to keep the conversation going for a
   while.
  
   I have been going through a Linux from Scratch build just for
   the learning experience, and something has just dawned on me.
   If a Linux system needs to be built from a host system, how
   did the first linux system get built?
  
   In other words, how can I create something that needs itself
   to be created?
  
   --
   /g
 
  Easy.  On a UNIX system.

 But then how was the first UNIX system created?


According to Dennis Ritchie (and he should know), it began on a PDP7 using 
assembly language. (See http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/hist.html). A 
very interesting read, particularly for those who have ever labored in the 
fields of RD and had troubles generating interest and funding for the latest 
Really Great Idea Guaranteed to Revolutionize Civilization.
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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Russ Kepler
On Saturday 28 August 2004 05:14 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:

 But then how was the first UNIX system created?

On a PDP-11, likely using RSTS or RSX-11.

It's really a 'bootstrapping' process (called so because you're lifting 
yourself by your bootstraps).  From bare iron you write a loader that loads 
from something simple - old times it was paper tape.  On the first paper tape 
you have a very simple control program, all it might do is execute other 
programs and manage devices a bit.  Using that you write the machine language 
code to write an assembler, then use the assembler to write better programs 
(maybe a disk driver and a file system), then use the improved tools to write 
a better control program, then an operating system, etc.  

With outside hardware you can write a lot of the system on another computer 
and have the advantage of terminals, editors, compilers, linkers - file 
systems!  Build things and put then to a floppy or hard disk, them boot it on 
the new system.  Once in place start putting the tools and such together - 
for Linux it was nice because there was a whole bunch of GNU stuff that could 
run.

The old term of bootstrapping lives - you 'boot' your system up when it powers 
up.  First the BIOS runs, then it loads a better loader from the hard drive, 
then the loader load the operating system.  (In the old days I had to use the 
front panel switches to load a simple paper tape loader, then load a loader 
from paper tape and then tell it to load things from the hard drive.  Yup, 
men were *men* and computers were made of *iron* in those days.)


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[newbie] permission changes

2004-08-28 Thread john
Hello
After reinstalling md10, several folders now show locked. Security 
settings are standard and I 'm not sure what happened to change these 
folders. Any advice on how to change them to normal settings would be 
appreciated.

Thanks
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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Russ Kepler
On Saturday 28 August 2004 06:25 pm, Russ Kepler wrote:
 On Saturday 28 August 2004 05:14 pm, Greg Meyer wrote:
  But then how was the first UNIX system created?

 On a PDP-11, likely using RSTS or RSX-11.

Damn - missed the model by this:  much.


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Re: [newbie] permission changes

2004-08-28 Thread Derek Jennings
On Sunday 29 August 2004 01:32, john wrote:
 Hello
 After reinstalling md10, several folders now show locked. Security
 settings are standard and I 'm not sure what happened to change these
 folders. Any advice on how to change them to normal settings would be
 appreciated.

 Thanks
 John

When you add users to your system each user is allocated a User ID starting 
from 501 upwards. (and a Group ID number the 'GID')
It is the UID number in the header of each file which determines the 'owner' 

If you have added your users in a different order to your last install, and 
did not reformat the /home partition, then the preexisting files will have 
the old UID/GID numbers.

When reinstalling it is important to enter your users in the same sequence to 
ensure they have the same UID/GID numbers as the previous install.

To resolve it, as root change the owner of the /home folders.  It is easy 
enough in KDE hit Alt+F2 then type 'kdesu konqueror' in the box to get a root 
copy of konqueror, then right click on the home folders and select properties 
to change the ownerships.



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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Smith
Stephen Kühn wrote:
Look, you say your rarely use it; what DO you use it for? Best bet would
be to defrag it, then use either diskdrake or Partition Magic to resize
it; else you could whack another drive in there and balance out your
stuff...
Unfortunately, I have to use MS Windows for establishing a VPN 
connection from home to my work, where the servers are all Microsoft. I 
have not manage yet to use Linux for VPN connections, although I have 
tried hard.
VMWare?
I have heard that VMWare is expensive and does not operate well on slow 
machines; mine is a 4 years old computer with 256MB of ram and a Pentium 
III 600MHz.

Paul


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[newbie] Problem with /dev/tty

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Smith
Dear All
I have done some updates on my computer and now, at start-up, the script 
rc.sysinit tries to access to several tty, but the permission is denied. 
Afterwards, still during booting, IPMI fails. Any ideas?

Thanks in advance,
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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Brian Parish
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 06:03, Paul Smith wrote:
 Stephen Kühn wrote:
 Thanks, Brian. The reason for enlarging my Linux partition is the fact 
 that I have installed so many things that I am fearing that I am 
 reaching the limit of my hard disk capacity. (My Linux partition has 8,5 
 GB.) I use MS Windows very, very, rarely and my MS Windows partition has 
 11,5 GB, which is a waste... so, I am wanting to enlarge my Linux 
 partition. How can I check how my Linux partition is being used?
  
  df -h
 
 Thanks, Stephen. Should I take some actions considering the following 
 information?
 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] paulus]# df -h
 FilesystemSize  Used Avail Use% Mounted on
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part5
4,5G  3,5G  816M  82% /
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part7
2,8G  1,9G  933M  68% /home
 /dev/ide/host0/bus0/target0/lun0/part1
 12G  6,4G  4,9G  57% /mnt/windows
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] paulus]#
 
 Paul
 
Here is something specific you can do which will address the issue
without blowing away your doze install.

1. Backup ALL important stuff - this procedure is reliable, but then so
am I and you would want your life depending on just me! ;-)

2. Defrag the doze partition

3. Use diskdrake to shrink it leaving enough space to be workable. 
Looks like you could trim at least 3GB.

4. Create a new partition in the free space and mount it as /new telling
diskdrake to save the changes to fstab

5. As root:

cp -a /usr /new

6. Edit /etc/fstab and change /new to /usr

7. Reboot - now you have all the /usr files being accessed from your new
partition and the /usr within your root partition is an unused copy.

8. As root:

cd /
mv usr oldusr

9. Reboot again just to make sure you got everything right and it all
still works (so far you haven't deleted anything)

10.  If everything looks happy, as root:

cd /
rm -rf oldusr

df -h should now present a rosier picture

HTH
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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Hoyt Bailey
On Saturday 28 August 2004 18:14, Greg Meyer wrote:
 On Saturday 28 August 2004 05:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
  On Saturday 28 August 2004 14:23, Greg Meyer wrote:
   I figure this one ought to keep the conversation going for
   a while.
  
   I have been going through a Linux from Scratch build just
   for the learning experience, and something has just dawned
   on me. If a Linux system needs to be built from a host
   system, how did the first linux system get built?
  
   In other words, how can I create something that needs
   itself to be created?
  
   --
   /g
 
  Easy.  On a UNIX system.

 But then how was the first UNIX system created?
That may not be accurate if you define linux as the kernel then 
LT developed that on a miniux system.  The C language was 
developed on a pdp 4 running UNIX and UNIX was rewritten in C 
after that Linux was devloped as a subset of UNIX.
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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 28 August 2004 09:55 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
 On Saturday 28 August 2004 18:14, Greg Meyer wrote:
  On Saturday 28 August 2004 05:11 pm, Hoyt Bailey wrote:
   On Saturday 28 August 2004 14:23, Greg Meyer wrote:
I figure this one ought to keep the conversation going for
a while.
   
I have been going through a Linux from Scratch build just
for the learning experience, and something has just dawned
on me. If a Linux system needs to be built from a host
system, how did the first linux system get built?
   
In other words, how can I create something that needs
itself to be created?
   
--
/g
  
   Easy.  On a UNIX system.
 
  But then how was the first UNIX system created?

 That may not be accurate if you define linux as the kernel then
 LT developed that on a miniux system.  The C language was
 developed on a pdp 4 running UNIX and UNIX was rewritten in C
 after that Linux was devloped as a subset of UNIX.

Ha.  I just realized that I could be a SCO troll trying to prove that Linux is 
an unauthorized version of UNIX.

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[newbie] Kwifimanager

2004-08-28 Thread Paul Kaplan
Kwifimanager (on kde 3.2.2/MDK10) defaults to monitoring the eth1 
connection.  How can I get it to monitor a different connection (ath0)?
TIA
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Re: [newbie] Problem with /dev/tty

2004-08-28 Thread Greg Meyer
On Saturday 28 August 2004 09:03 pm, Paul Smith wrote:
 Dear All

 I have done some updates on my computer and now, at start-up, the script
 rc.sysinit tries to access to several tty, but the permission is denied.
 Afterwards, still during booting, IPMI fails. Any ideas?

That error was coming up on boxes running cooker when Mandrake switched the 
default de vice manager from devfs to udev.  You are a bad boy running cooker 
stuff and posting to the newbie list.  Seriously though, are you running 
cooker or a 10.1 beta.  if yes, you might want to check the cooker mailing 
list archives because I believe this was explained over there.
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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 10:21, Carroll Grigsby wrote:

 According to Dennis Ritchie (and he should know), it began on a PDP7 using 
 assembly language. (See http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/hist.html). A 
 very interesting read, particularly for those who have ever labored in the 
 fields of RD and had troubles generating interest and funding for the latest 
 Really Great Idea Guaranteed to Revolutionize Civilization.
 -- cmg

That was a mind boggling read. Awesome. So then 1969 was a good year
after all, eh?

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Re: [newbie] Enlarging Mandrake's partition

2004-08-28 Thread Stephen Kühn
On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 10:52, Paul Smith wrote:
 Stephen Kühn wrote:
 Look, you say your rarely use it; what DO you use it for? Best bet would
 be to defrag it, then use either diskdrake or Partition Magic to resize
 it; else you could whack another drive in there and balance out your
 stuff...
 
 Unfortunately, I have to use MS Windows for establishing a VPN 
 connection from home to my work, where the servers are all Microsoft. I 
 have not manage yet to use Linux for VPN connections, although I have 
 tried hard.
 
  VMWare?
 
 I have heard that VMWare is expensive and does not operate well on slow 
 machines; mine is a 4 years old computer with 256MB of ram and a Pentium 
 III 600MHz.
 
 Paul

Ah...hmm...and you've researched ALL the vpn clients for GNU/linux and
found none that work?

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Re: [newbie] Kwifimanager

2004-08-28 Thread Ronald J. Hall
On Saturday 28 August 2004 10:55 pm, Paul Kaplan wrote:
 Kwifimanager (on kde 3.2.2/MDK10) defaults to monitoring the eth1
 connection.  How can I get it to monitor a different connection (ath0)?
 TIA
 Paul

Paul, this is from the web site:

Autodetecting your device

KWiFiManager needs to know the interface name of your wireless LAN card to 
change any settings. You can either enter the information (e.g. eth1 or 
wlan0) manually in the input field right of Settings apply to interface:, or 
let KWiFiManager auto-detect the interface. To do so, push the button 
Autodetect interface. This will perform a scan on all interfaces listed in 
/proc/net/dev to find your card. The result of the scan will show up in the 
input field left of the button. If the field remains empty, no card was 
found. Please note that KWiFiManager uses the wireless extensions to detect 
cards. If you use a card controlled by the wlan-ng package, KWiFiManager only 
shows correct results if your driver has a compatibility layer for the 
wireless extensions built-in. 

at this location:

http://kwifimanager.sourceforge.net/

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Re: [newbie] Existential Linux Question

2004-08-28 Thread Carroll Grigsby
On Sunday 29 August 2004 12:12 am, Stephen Khn wrote:
 On Sun, 2004-08-29 at 10:21, Carroll Grigsby wrote:
  According to Dennis Ritchie (and he should know), it began on a PDP7
  using assembly language. (See
  http://cm.bell-labs.com/cm/cs/who/dmr/hist.html). A very interesting
  read, particularly for those who have ever labored in the fields of RD
  and had troubles generating interest and funding for the latest Really
  Great Idea Guaranteed to Revolutionize Civilization.
  -- cmg

 That was a mind boggling read. Awesome. So then 1969 was a good year
 after all, eh?

Stephen:
Well, for me it was. It was the last summer that I could go out in the sun and 
not burn the top of my head.

(Getting closer to the topic) What I found interesting was Ritchie's reference 
to programming in B, the predecessor language to C. The connection between C 
and Unix goes back a long, long way.
-- cmg



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