[newbie] Windoze install
Dear all, I need to install Windoze NT4 on my Linux (Mandrake 8.0) box :( I already have a partition of 4Gb set aside for Windoze. What's the best way to go about this - shall I boot into my Windoze partition and install it there? Or, can I go into Linux and install Windoze on the partition there? >From the literature it seems as though Windoze NT needs to be installed 1st - followed by Linux. I would like to avoid this if possible as I would have to start from scratch when I have Linux set up exactly as I want! Any pointers/help would be appreciated. Thanks, Andy
[newbie] Windoze username and password for SMB printer (was: problem print ingto SMB from LM7.1 w/ Samba 207 and CUPS 115)
Hi Till, Thanks a million for the tip! Wouldn't it be nice if the CUPS documentation says how to add username and password to the printer URI? One more question: I'm playing sysadmin of the Linux box for our group, which has 6 people. Everyone has their Windoze username and password to access the SMB printers on the corporate NT network. Is it possible to set things up so people will be using their own username and password to access the printers when they print from Linux? Right now I followed your tip and used my own username and password. This means everyone will be printing with my account. Worse, my username and password can be seen in plain text in /etc/cups/printers.conf!! Not only that, every time a print job sent under my name is completed, a message box pops up on my NT box. This is downright annoying, to say the least... Thanks again, and hope you (or others) can shed some light on the password issue. Cheers, Andy > -- > From: Till Kamppeter[SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Tuesday, January 09, 2001 6:23 AM > To: Liaw, Andy > Subject: Re: [newbie] problem printing to SMB from LM7.1 w/ Samba 207 > and CUPS 115 > > At first you should update Samba to 2.0.7-19mdk. See > >http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001123151352 > > to know more about the Samba update and > >http://www.mandrakeforum.com/article.php3?sid=20001214090405 > > to know about how to download the package from the mirrors. > > From the same place download the CUPS 1.1.5-2mdk package. > > To install a printer queue using the guest account, do > >lpadmin -p -v smb:/// -m -E > > and to install a printer queue using a user account, do > >lpadmin -p -v smb://:@/ -m > -E > > : Printer queue name under Linux > : Name of the NT server > : Name of the printer queue under Windows > : Login name of the Windows account > : Password of the Windows account > : Path and file name of PPD file (relative to > /usr/share/cups/model/) > > The web interface is also capable for setting up a Samba queue. > >Till > > > > "Liaw, Andy" wrote: > > > > Hi all, > > > > Can some kind soul help me with this problem? I've wasted a few days on > > this and didn't get very far...8-< > > > > We have a Compaq SP750 (dual P3 Xeon) with LM 7.1 installed and > connected to > > our corporate intranet (NT4). I have been struggling to set up printing > to > > a SMB printer on the corporate network. I learned the hard way that I > had > > to remove printpro. In my struggle I also removed lpr, printtool and > > rhs-filters (and others) to try and get cups to install. I finally got > cups > > 1.1.5 rpm from the cups site to install. I also upgraded samba-common, > > samba, and samba-clients to 2.0.7. > > > > I can use smbclient and smbprint (slightly modified) to print, but I > can't > > get cups to print. The status says "printer lp is disabled - Unable to > > connect to SAMBA host: Success". I checked Till's article, and it says > to > > use kups. I checked out kups, and it requires KDE2 (along with other > > packages). I do *not* want to upgrade to KDE2 (yet), since I have LM7.2 > > with KDE2 at home and it is not as stable as KDE1. > > > > So, can someone tell me how to setup the SMB printer under cups? Where > do I > > specify username and password? Can I use some magic filter with this > setup > > (such as rhs-filters)? How? > > > > Also, the Linux box is being used by several people in my group. How do > I > > configure the system so that everyone will be using his/her own NT > username > > and password to print to the SMB printer? > > > > Thanks a bunch in advance! > > > > Andy >
Re: [newbie] Windoze
Server side, the US Government maintains a POSIX compatibility standard. Although POSIX is, by now outdated, most Unixes, and Linux, are compatible. For server-side applications, this standard offers backward-compatibility, while the 'familiar' windoze frontend on the client-side can be protected by firewalls, mailservers, and the ever-tardy MS patches and bug-fixes. As an admin, it makes a whole lot more sense to convert from NT/Novell to Linux due to cost, configurability and security, but the workstations need to be 'dumbed-down' or you have the risk of people doing some real stupid things, and wasting a HUGE amount of production time simply getting lost. --Greg > I read an interview with an airforce sysadmin where he > was asked about linux and other free OS's. He replied > that they use lilnux for many of their servers (in > some cases against the wishes of their superiors) and > windows for desktop machines. His arguement was that > they have to have a standardized interface on as many > machines as they can. This is so Joe Blow can be > transfered from miami to germany, go into his office > and do his work without retraining. He also mentioned > that the majority of users are immediately familiar > with a windows interface while the average user would > be lost on a gnome/windowmaker/kde desktop. > > > Dacia > --- patrick darcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Romanator wrote: > > > > > "Roderick F.Lazaro" wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch > > Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > > > Have you heard of the latest security issue with > > Outlook. Anybody sending you > > > > mail can run their code on your machine when you > > open the email. It has > > > > something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. > > Just a note, just in case > > > > somebody formats your hard drive. > > > > > > Yup. It's amazing what you can do to Outlook. > > > > > > -- > > > Roman > > > Registered Linux User #179293 > > > > whats really amazing to me is the u s governemnt > > along with other governments > > keep right on using that other operating system. i > > have read a while back > > that with the i love u virus that even some > > government computers were > > put down. it seems the viruses are getting worse and > > worse and the u s > > government just stands by and does nothing when it > > could make the > > move to Linux and have much more secure and much > > more powerful > > systems. its just amazing. and think of all the > > money they would > > save. > > > > > > * Want free email? Sign up at http://www.freeze.com !
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> maybe if the governemt would stop and think of the money they could save the taxpayers as compared to paying so much for windoz. i honestly believe that most people are not completely stupid as far as learning. i would hope our government and military could be included here :) dacia wrote > I read an interview with an airforce sysadmin where he > was asked about linux and other free OS's. He replied > that they use lilnux for many of their servers (in > some cases against the wishes of their superiors) and > windows for desktop machines. His arguement was that > they have to have a standardized interface on as many > machines as they can. This is so Joe Blow can be > transfered from miami to germany, go into his office > and do his work without retraining. He also mentioned > that the majority of users are immediately familiar > with a windows interface while the average user would > be lost on a gnome/windowmaker/kde desktop. > > Dacia > --- patrick darcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Romanator wrote: > > > > > "Roderick F.Lazaro" wrote: > > > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch > > Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > > > Have you heard of the latest security issue with > > Outlook. Anybody sending you > > > > mail can run their code on your machine when you > > open the email. It has > > > > something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. > > Just a note, just in case > > > > somebody formats your hard drive. > > > > > > Yup. It's amazing what you can do to Outlook. > > > > > > -- > > > Roman > > > Registered Linux User #179293 > > > > whats really amazing to me is the u s governemnt > > along with other governments > > keep right on using that other operating system. i > > have read a while back > > that with the i love u virus that even some > > government computers were > > put down. it seems the viruses are getting worse and > > worse and the u s > > government just stands by and does nothing when it > > could make the > > move to Linux and have much more secure and much > > more powerful > > systems. its just amazing. and think of all the > > money they would > > save. > > > > > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. > http://invites.yahoo.com/
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Dacia and AzureRose wrote: > > I read an interview with an airforce sysadmin where he > was asked about linux and other free OS's. He replied > that they use lilnux for many of their servers (in > some cases against the wishes of their superiors) and > windows for desktop machines. His arguement was that > they have to have a standardized interface on as many > machines as they can. This is so Joe Blow can be > transfered from miami to germany, go into his office > and do his work without retraining. He also mentioned > that the majority of users are immediately familiar > with a windows interface while the average user would > be lost on a gnome/windowmaker/kde desktop. > > Dacia I disagree with him on that last point. I came from an Atari/Amiga heritage, with (forced) use of Windows NT machines at work. I had never owned a machine with anything other than Motorola chips until I built my AMD/Linux box a few months ago. I used MiNT (a Unix/Linux variant) on my Atari, but the GUI was not KDE at all. (TOS on the Atari is the absolute easiest GUI to use. Period.) I felt right at home with KDE from the first moment. I hated NT from the moment I first used it-a feeling which has not changed to this day... ;-) -- /\ Dark>
Re: [newbie] Windoze
I read an interview with an airforce sysadmin where he was asked about linux and other free OS's. He replied that they use lilnux for many of their servers (in some cases against the wishes of their superiors) and windows for desktop machines. His arguement was that they have to have a standardized interface on as many machines as they can. This is so Joe Blow can be transfered from miami to germany, go into his office and do his work without retraining. He also mentioned that the majority of users are immediately familiar with a windows interface while the average user would be lost on a gnome/windowmaker/kde desktop. Dacia --- patrick darcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Romanator wrote: > > > "Roderick F.Lazaro" wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch > Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > Have you heard of the latest security issue with > Outlook. Anybody sending you > > > mail can run their code on your machine when you > open the email. It has > > > something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. > Just a note, just in case > > > somebody formats your hard drive. > > > > Yup. It's amazing what you can do to Outlook. > > > > -- > > Roman > > Registered Linux User #179293 > > whats really amazing to me is the u s governemnt > along with other governments > keep right on using that other operating system. i > have read a while back > that with the i love u virus that even some > government computers were > put down. it seems the viruses are getting worse and > worse and the u s > government just stands by and does nothing when it > could make the > move to Linux and have much more secure and much > more powerful > systems. its just amazing. and think of all the > money they would > save. > > __ Do You Yahoo!? Kick off your party with Yahoo! Invites. http://invites.yahoo.com/
Re: [newbie] Windoze
Yes, but you have to edit the intermet options advanced tab in Inermet explorer. There are several different options for turning off Active X (look through the entire list) But it's a pain when you surg with IE--always gettung asked to run the crap. I woul upgrade to IE 5.5 -- it replaces outlook as well. --Greg - Original Message - From: "Jeff Malka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 11:22 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > Can't you turn off Active X in Outlook Express? > > Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Registered (Newbie) Linux user 183185 > > - Original Message - > From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:48 PM > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Roderick F.Lazaro wrote: > > > > >On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > >> counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > >Have you heard of the latest security issue with Outlook. Anybody sending > you > > >mail can run their code on your machine when you open the email. It has > > >something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. Just a note, just in case > > >somebody formats your hard drive. > > > > The newest ones even seem to be able to run havoc by just getting in the > > system. No need even to open them. > > > > Paul > > > > -- > > Silence is argument carried on by other means. > > -Ernesto "Che" Guevara > > > > )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( > > http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 > > Registered Linux User 174403 > > > > > * Want free email? Sign up at http://www.freeze.com !
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patrick darcy wrote: > > Romanator wrote: > > > "Roderick F.Lazaro" wrote: > > > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > Have you heard of the latest security issue with Outlook. Anybody sending you > > > mail can run their code on your machine when you open the email. It has > > > something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. Just a note, just in case > > > somebody formats your hard drive. > > > > Yup. It's amazing what you can do to Outlook. > > > > -- > > Roman > > Registered Linux User #179293 > > whats really amazing to me is the u s governemnt along with other governments > keep right on using that other operating system. i have read a while back > that with the i love u virus that even some government computers were > put down. it seems the viruses are getting worse and worse and the u s > government just stands by and does nothing when it could make the > move to Linux and have much more secure and much more powerful > systems. its just amazing. and think of all the money they would > save. You know government. If they save money, then next year's budget will be smaller. Oh know. Don't get us going on about the government. Argh.. Linux would be a great choice. -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293
Re: [newbie] Windoze
Romanator wrote: > "Roderick F.Lazaro" wrote: > > > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > Have you heard of the latest security issue with Outlook. Anybody sending you > > mail can run their code on your machine when you open the email. It has > > something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. Just a note, just in case > > somebody formats your hard drive. > > Yup. It's amazing what you can do to Outlook. > > -- > Roman > Registered Linux User #179293 whats really amazing to me is the u s governemnt along with other governments keep right on using that other operating system. i have read a while back that with the i love u virus that even some government computers were put down. it seems the viruses are getting worse and worse and the u s government just stands by and does nothing when it could make the move to Linux and have much more secure and much more powerful systems. its just amazing. and think of all the money they would save.
Re: [newbie] Windoze
Can't you turn off Active X in Outlook Express? Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Registered (Newbie) Linux user 183185 - Original Message - From: Paul <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Monday, July 24, 2000 1:48 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Roderick F.Lazaro wrote: > > >On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > >> counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > >Have you heard of the latest security issue with Outlook. Anybody sending you > >mail can run their code on your machine when you open the email. It has > >something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. Just a note, just in case > >somebody formats your hard drive. > > The newest ones even seem to be able to run havoc by just getting in the > system. No need even to open them. > > Paul > > -- > Silence is argument carried on by other means. > -Ernesto "Che" Guevara > > )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( > http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 > Registered Linux User 174403 > >
Re: [newbie] Windoze
"Roderick F.Lazaro" wrote: > > On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > Have you heard of the latest security issue with Outlook. Anybody sending you > mail can run their code on your machine when you open the email. It has > something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. Just a note, just in case > somebody formats your hard drive. Yup. It's amazing what you can do to Outlook. -- Roman Registered Linux User #179293
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On Mon, 24 Jul 2000, Roderick F.Lazaro wrote: >On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: >> counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > >Have you heard of the latest security issue with Outlook. Anybody sending you >mail can run their code on your machine when you open the email. It has >something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. Just a note, just in case >somebody formats your hard drive. The newest ones even seem to be able to run havoc by just getting in the system. No need even to open them. Paul -- Silence is argument carried on by other means. -Ernesto "Che" Guevara )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
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On Sat, 22 Jul 2000, you wrote: > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. Have you heard of the latest security issue with Outlook. Anybody sending you mail can run their code on your machine when you open the email. It has something to do with Outlook's ActiveX engine. Just a note, just in case somebody formats your hard drive.
Re: [newbie] Windoze
On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 02:01:20PM +0200, Roman Korcek wrote: > Try downloading the latest drivers for your graphics card and monitor > (in this case just the .inf file). ;-) Did that, and that didn't help. But that was to be expected, wasn't it? Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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Al invented everything guys. John K0DXX "Oliver L. Plaine Jr." wrote: > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:17:05 -0400, Darryl wrote: > > >We hams, as one poster pointed out, are a small sample of the linux > >community, but we have contributed enormously to its cause. We were > >doing wireless packet before the big guns thought it was feasible. I > >suspect we invented the concept of open source code too.! > > Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:20:50 > > There may be more around than you think Darryl 8-), but no, I believe > it was Al Gore that invented that concept. > > 73's > Olly P Wb5gkj > Biloxi > Mississippi
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:47:54AM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program Have you ever looked at GIMP? > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. Hey, don't do that! Now I have to wipe my monitor clean from the thinks I accidently spit on my monitor. A note for me: Don't read this thread while your eating. IOW: LOL, you just made a complete fool of you, even more than I already made a fool of me. > Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average > person. Yeah right, rpm -Uvh blahblah is terribly hard, you are so right. > It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. Your talking about Windows, aren't you? Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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On Thu, Jul 20, 2000 at 06:47:54AM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: I forgot three things: > Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion Have you looked at GNU chess? I'll bet that it is good enough for the average chess player. > MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office You don't have to. StarOffice can read and write M$ Office files perfectly well. For the HAM stuff: I admit that I do not know I thing about HAM. You may be right, I don't know. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2000 22:17:05 -0400, Darryl wrote: >We hams, as one poster pointed out, are a small sample of the linux >community, but we have contributed enormously to its cause. We were >doing wireless packet before the big guns thought it was feasible. I >suspect we invented the concept of open source code too.! Fri, 21 Jul 2000 19:20:50 There may be more around than you think Darryl 8-), but no, I believe it was Al Gore that invented that concept. 73's Olly P Wb5gkj Biloxi Mississippi
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sorry to cut off your name but i cant post up here if i dont for some reason. like i said many many of these browswers are in beta. some in alpha. hopefull konquer will fix u up soon. its coming out with kernal 2.4 supposedly and should do it all do it well. if u love me, send me some penguin toys :) > the problem with all the browsers for Linux is the lack of Java compatability. I >had a problem > with Netscape crashing every time I used AIM Quickbuddy. At the time I didn't have >any other > choices, Opera doesn't support Java I heard Skate does, but it doesn't support >Javascript! We > need an IE for Linux!! > > --- patrick darcy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Roman Korcek wrote: > > > > > Hey Patrick, > > > > > > > linux has > > > > netscape, konquer, opera, mozilla to name a few. > > > > > > > > > Opera isn't free and Mozilla is the successor of Netscape (at least > > > it's trying to be). i thought it was sorta like but not netscape. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > Roman > > > > thats true Roman, but there are at least 15 browsers . i am looking a t > > a cd > > from maximum linux. many are in beta. imagine when they are complete. > > 15 choices versus 1 for that other operting system. i understand that > > opera is about 40 bucks. but then its supposed to fit on one floppy > > and be lightning fast. > > > > > > > > na na na na na na > > > > > > > > = > > __ > Do You Yahoo!? > Get Yahoo! Mail - Free email you can access from anywhere! > http://mail.yahoo.com/
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Jeff Malka wrote: > > Let's stop this thread PLEASE. Those who prefer windoze are welcome to use > it and stop clogging our newslist. Agreed, normally I would sit out a thread like this, which I did with the html vs txt, and its related threads. But this one is different, a brother Ham was involved, and I didn't want him to go away mad, or go away at all. I was sucked into Linux by the W2LI Computer Net, and now I'm here to stay. I intend to do my best to suck as many other Hams into Linux as possible too. We hams, as one poster pointed out, are a small sample of the linux community, but we have contributed enormously to its cause. We were doing wireless packet before the big guns thought it was feasible. I suspect we invented the concept of open source code too.! Like it or not, Ham Radio Operators are the father of electronics, including computers, Linux, etc... And they will flock to, and contribute to Linux, if we give them the chance to see the "light." > > Excuse this additional clogging here. I usually delete unread all the > messages in this thread but am tired of seeing them. Off topic threads would be a little less annoying if the email server didn't drag them out for hours. > > Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Registered Linux user 183185 Darryl Gibson N2DIY Linux Neophyte (tm) RLU # 182668 This computer is 100% Microsoft FREE
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"F. E. Schaper" wrote: > Hugh...I agree with you, Outlook is a terrible mail program I have no choice > but to use it at work and keep my eyes wide open for the 2-3 viruses that I > am sure to get each month. Of course when I am at home I don't really have > to worry to much about viruses (thanks again Linux) In fact Windows leaves > itself wide open (maybe this is how they got the name?) to anyone with a > little time and intelligence to go right in and break, move, rename or > destroy system files. > > On to the rest of the post (rant) > > As far as the rest of the software on that list goes...I did not know they > made a software (Fritz 6) using my name...pretty cool I must admit. > In regards to the rest of the list, I'm sure the Linux community is kicking > themselves on a daily basis for not coming up with more Ham Radio > softwaremaybe they should focus a little less on the dev software, the > office software and the rest of the software that 99% of what users use to > focus on what 1% of the community wants. > > But see the great thing about Linux is (you will find this out as you use it > more often as I did) that because you have access to the kernel, you can > program your own software for it...you don't have to rely on someone else > (like Micosoft for example) to make an application to do what you want...you > can do it yourselfand all it takes is some knowledge and sweat...no hard > earned dollars have to be spent, just hard earned hours. > > That is the whole ideause it.develop for it...and share it > > Fritz > > - Original Message - > From: Hugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:19 AM > Subject: RE: [newbie] Windoze > > > I beg to differ, Outlook is Virus bate. We need a troll here almost as > much > > as Outlook express. Hey ever wonder why so many companys refuse to use > > it? Give you a clue. It's Junk :) > > Now you have a real nice day and you dont forget to write. If Outlook will > > work that is :) > > > > Bye > > > > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > > -Original Message- > > > > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > > > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > > > > tell you where > > > > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > > > > > > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > > > > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be > GPL'd. > > > > > > > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > > > > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll > change > > > > too. > > > > > > > > > > I mean applications for Ham Radio like > > > Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark > > > Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card > > > Logic 5 Logging and radio control program > > > Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion > > > MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office > > > FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put > in my > > > Palm for GPS use > > > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program > > > > > > All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not > > > that many apps but a lot. > > > Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not > yet > > > on Linux. > > > > > > > > > > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > > > > application > > > > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > > > > > > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, > StarOffice), > > > > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > > > > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > > > > (what language > > > > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > > > > PostgreSQL, > > > > Interbase), > > > > > > Yes but these applications
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Bob Howard wrote: > Gil, > To remain in computing effectively you should probably avoid > linux in all its many variations and stick with the Windows > environment in the flavor of your choice.. > > The deal is you use the apps and OS you prefer and we > Linusians will use our preferences. > > Your assertions about all the wonderful MS apps will generally > fall on deaf ears in a Linux gathering because we have made > other choices. > > I should also point out that, despite your assertions > otherwise, not EVERYONE uses MSOffice nor does everyone feel > that IE 5.5, Outlook, or Outlook Express represent the best of > anything. > > Why are you messing with Linux? If your computing environment > suits... don't fix it, if it isn't broken. > > Bob H > W5TFS > > Gil Baron W0MN wrote: > > > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > > > tell you where > > > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > > > > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > > > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > > > > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > > > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > > > too. > > > > > > > I mean applications for Ham Radio like > > Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark > > Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card > > Logic 5 Logging and radio control program > > Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion > > MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office > > FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put in my > > Palm for GPS use > > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program > > > > All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not > > that many apps but a lot. > > Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not yet > > on Linux. > > > > > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > > > application > > > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > > > > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > > > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > > > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > > > (what language > > > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > > > PostgreSQL, > > > Interbase), > > > > Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I > > > just find it > > > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > > > > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > > > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the > > > OS and not the > > > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > > > > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. > > > > Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average > > person. > > It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. > > > > > > > > Alexander Skwar > > > -- > > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > > > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > > > ICQ: 7328191 > > > > > > i like this answer :)
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Let's stop this thread PLEASE. Those who prefer windoze are welcome to use
it and stop clogging our newslist.
Excuse this additional clogging here. I usually delete unread all the
messages in this thread but am tired of seeing them.
Jeff Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Registered Linux user 183185
- Original Message -
From: Ronald J. Hall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:37 AM
Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze
> Paul wrote:
>
> > It boils down to something simple for me. Use what you want, what works
> > for you. PC, Macintosh, Atari, Amiga, anything. Windows works for you as
> > Linux works for me.
>
> Paul, sorry to butt in on this thread but I thought you (and maybe
> others) mind find it interesting that until I got my Linux box a few
> months ago, I ran MiNT ("MiNT Is Now TOS" - a
> Unix variant) on a 16 mhz/16 megs ram Atari
> Falcon 030, circa 1992. Believe it or not, it
> ran very, very well. You could even play MP3's
> on it! Try to do that on a 16mhz Windoze box.
>
>
>
> I still have some saved screenshots if anybody
> wants me to see them out of curiosities sake. I'd be more than glad to
> E-mail them... ;-)
>
> --
> /\
> Dark> \/
>
>
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Your not completely wrong. I have been working with Linux since circa '95 and at first I was of the opinion that Linux made a wonderful Server, but was to "unproductive" to be used as a full time desktop. I mean sure, the customizability of of the desktop environment was cool, but it took forever to get it just right, and when you were done, you still couldn't get as much done in the real world By real world, I mean the MS controlled universe that some 90% of the rest of the business world uses. No however, Linux is my primary OS. I haven't booted into an MS OS in 6 months at least. Granted I use VMWare to run some of the NT server tools I need to do my job, but aside from that I never miss Windows. In reality, while windows applications are "nicer and fancier", they aren't that much more efficient, and they are all buggy. I will grant you that MS has the GUI down to a science. Everything is cohesive, and clean. But with Gnome and KDE, Linux is making this up by leaps and bounds. I have recently tried using Corels Office suite, and while I concede it does run in WINE (A windows emulator) but it's very useable, and it doesn't have the conversion problems that are inherent in Staroffice and Applix. there are a ton of E-mail apps out there. Granted none of them are as pretty as Outlook, but many are far more functional and much more secure than any MS product. At the end of the day, Linux is now the only choice for me and I wouldn't go back, but you have to make your own choice. --T.
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Hugh...I agree with you, Outlook is a terrible mail program I have no choice but to use it at work and keep my eyes wide open for the 2-3 viruses that I am sure to get each month. Of course when I am at home I don't really have to worry to much about viruses (thanks again Linux) In fact Windows leaves itself wide open (maybe this is how they got the name?) to anyone with a little time and intelligence to go right in and break, move, rename or destroy system files. On to the rest of the post (rant) As far as the rest of the software on that list goes...I did not know they made a software (Fritz 6) using my name...pretty cool I must admit. In regards to the rest of the list, I'm sure the Linux community is kicking themselves on a daily basis for not coming up with more Ham Radio softwaremaybe they should focus a little less on the dev software, the office software and the rest of the software that 99% of what users use to focus on what 1% of the community wants. But see the great thing about Linux is (you will find this out as you use it more often as I did) that because you have access to the kernel, you can program your own software for it...you don't have to rely on someone else (like Micosoft for example) to make an application to do what you want...you can do it yourselfand all it takes is some knowledge and sweat...no hard earned dollars have to be spent, just hard earned hours. That is the whole ideause it.develop for it...and share it Fritz - Original Message - From: Hugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 9:19 AM Subject: RE: [newbie] Windoze > I beg to differ, Outlook is Virus bate. We need a troll here almost as much > as Outlook express. Hey ever wonder why so many companys refuse to use > it? Give you a clue. It's Junk :) > Now you have a real nice day and you dont forget to write. If Outlook will > work that is :) > > Bye > > > On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > > > tell you where > > > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > > > > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > > > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > > > > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > > > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > > > too. > > > > > > > I mean applications for Ham Radio like > > Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark > > Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card > > Logic 5 Logging and radio control program > > Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion > > MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office > > FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put in my > > Palm for GPS use > > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program > > > > All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not > > that many apps but a lot. > > Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not yet > > on Linux. > > > > > > > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > > > application > > > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > > > > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > > > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > > > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > > > (what language > > > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > > > PostgreSQL, > > > Interbase), > > > > Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft > > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I > > > just find it > > > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > > > > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > > > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the > > > OS and not the > > > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > > > > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. > > > > Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average > > person. > > It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. > > > > > > > > > > Alexander Skwar > > > -- > > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > > > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > > > ICQ: 7328191 > > > > > > > >
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Gil, To remain in computing effectively you should probably avoid linux in all its many variations and stick with the Windows environment in the flavor of your choice.. The deal is you use the apps and OS you prefer and we Linusians will use our preferences. Your assertions about all the wonderful MS apps will generally fall on deaf ears in a Linux gathering because we have made other choices. I should also point out that, despite your assertions otherwise, not EVERYONE uses MSOffice nor does everyone feel that IE 5.5, Outlook, or Outlook Express represent the best of anything. Why are you messing with Linux? If your computing environment suits... don't fix it, if it isn't broken. Bob H W5TFS Gil Baron W0MN wrote: > > > -Original Message- > > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > > tell you where > > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > > too. > > > > I mean applications for Ham Radio like > Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark > Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card > Logic 5 Logging and radio control program > Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion > MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office > FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put in my > Palm for GPS use > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program > > All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not > that many apps but a lot. > Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not yet > on Linux. > > > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > > application > > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > > (what language > > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > > PostgreSQL, > > Interbase), > > Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I > > just find it > > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the > > OS and not the > > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. > > Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average > person. > It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. > > > > > Alexander Skwar > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > > ICQ: 7328191 > > > >
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Gil Baron W0MN wrote: > > Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average > person. True, but since when are Ham Radio Operators average people? :) > It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. Have you looked for apps. similar to what you want to do? I did a quick Yahoo search, and found numerous sites for Linux and Ham Radio. If you can't find what you want, try running your apps. under a Dos or Windoze emulator. Or, roll your own apps., Linux gives you all the tools you need to do that. 73 Darryl Gibson N2DIY Linux Neophyte (tm) RLU # 182668 This computer is 100% Microsoft FREE
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> MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office Both of my business partners use Windows with only myself using Linux. I use Star Office and they can both read my reports perfectly as can I with theirs and without any converting. > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program Being in the business of graphic design and web design I also use to think so when I ran Windows. However I must say that you are completely wrong. Gimp and Correl Paint have each proved more powerful than anything PSP5 could offer and that extends to version6 (yes even 5 is now old hat). As for low cost, both Gimp and Correl Paint are free and as said are more powerful. For serious designers PSP* is laughed at but not Gimp or the Correl Paint or Photo suites, one reason I opted for Linux. Now as both are free, doesn't that make this statement a little bit of a nonsense. Even as an amateur you can have pro packages for free or limp along on PSP and pay 100's. >you get what you pay for. No you don't..(see above) -- Andrew ICQ 50762100 -- "In the pursuit of knowledge, Everday something is acquired" (Lao Tzu) --
Re: Re[2]: [newbie] Windoze
On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, you wrote: > Hey Alexander, > > > Well, even if I wanted to, I couldn't try W2k, because my ISDN card, > > that worked perfectly fine (as long as something can work perfectly > > under Windoze) isn't even supported by W2k. And as long as there's > > no hardware support for an OS, it is no alternative to switch to. > > >From my experience, Linux has less hardware support than Windows. Just > look at all the messages "How can I get my XY running, please ?". In > Windows it usually just takes to download the latest drivers. In Linux > it's much more difficult for a newbie to get something running. Reboot, you forgot to mention a reboot, maybe two. A reboot here, a reboot there, here a reboot, there a reboot, reboot,boot,boot. > (The statement above is just the authors opinion. Is does not have to > be true or false, it's just an opinion) ;-) > > > > have license for (besides Linux obviously) is W98. And W98 is extremely > > unstable and with bad hardware suppport. E.g. it won't run my monitor at > > 1152x864 at 100Hz, where Linux does this pretty well. > > Try downloading the latest drivers for your graphics card and monitor > (in this case just the .inf file). ;-) > > > Roman -- __ [K][D][M]-=-=-=-=-[K][D][M] UIN:82189397 [K][D][M]-ETERNAL-[K][D][M] IM: xKxDxMx [K][D][M]-=-=-=-=-[K][D][M] E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __
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On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > > tell you where > > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > > too. > > > > I mean applications for Ham Radio like > Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark > Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card > Logic 5 Logging and radio control program > Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion > MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office > FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put in my > Palm for GPS use > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program > I have used PSP5, it sucks, Deluxe Paint on my dusty Amiga 500 kicks its ass. I won't even mention what The Gimp does to it. >I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office, must, not, rock, >the, boat, must, not, rock, the, boat, must, not, rock > All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not > that many apps but a lot. > Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not yet > on Linux. Its not the fault of Linux that IE 5.5* isn't out for it. Contact your beloved M$ 8) *In all fairness IE will work under wine, kinda. > > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > > application > > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > > (what language > > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > > PostgreSQL, > > Interbase), > > Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. You are right, nothing available can touch Outlook, if you want huge gaping security holes, Outlook has 'em, with more discovered everyday, put that on a system that has no security/stability and you have a real winner! > > > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I > > just find it > > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the > > OS and not the > > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. > > Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average > person. > It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. > Much harder to install? Harder to install than what? I know you don't mean windose/NT/Win2K. Linux is now EASIER to install than any M$ product. "Linux installations are easier because they *just work* My job would be much easier if I had to install Linux all day long" -Unnamed Compaq OEM installer >"It is a fun toy and learning experience" A toy? Could you build a 4000 node parallel processing cluster with anything M$? *IF* it was possible you would need and ARMY of men, whose soul purpose in life was to run around and reboot crashed machines. A wide sea of Blue comes to mind, Screen Of Death, that is ;) > > > > Alexander Skwar > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > > ICQ:7328191 > > > > -- -=LINUX world domination=- Lets see how long we can make this thread __ [K][D][M]-=-=-=-=-[K][D][M] UIN: 82189397 [K][D][M]-ETERNAL-[K][D][M] IM: xKxDxMx [K][D][M]-=-=-=-=-[K][D][M] E-MAIL: [EMAIL PROTECTED] __
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|-Original Message- |From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:48 AM |To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |Subject: RE: [newbie] Windoze | | | | |> -Original Message- |> From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] |> Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM |> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] |> Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze |> |> |> On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: |> > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will |> tell you where |> > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . |> |> What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is |> available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will |be GPL'd. |> |> Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; |> *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change |> too. |> | |I mean applications for Ham Radio like |Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark |Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card |Logic 5 Logging and radio control program |Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion |MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office |FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to |put in my |Palm for GPS use |PSP5 The best low cost image processing program | |All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not |that many apps but a lot. Obviously you haven't looked very hard. |Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that |are not yet on Linux. | | |> > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as |> application |> > choice goes, you get what you pay for. |> So, why don't you just pay for Linux applications and quit complaining? (oh, but the next comment will be "they don't exist". Wrong. You just haven't looked... Corel Draw, WordPerfect, Photoshop, etc. exist for Linux.) |> Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), |> graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and |> lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming |> (what language |> do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, |> PostgreSQL, |> Interbase), | |Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft |counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. | The vernacular for this is "trolling". |> |> > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I |> just find it |> > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. |> |> So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. |> |> > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the |> OS and not the |> > other way around. THAT is the real world. |> |> Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. | |Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for |the average |person. No it's not. Mandrake is boot and run. The average person does far more with Linux than they do with Windows. As a result "newbies" are often way over their heads. Most people run it to act as a server of some sort. Your logic is full of non-sequitors. |It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. | Good, now go away. -JMS
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Roman Korcek wrote: > Hey Patrick, > > > linux has > > netscape, konquer, opera, mozilla to name a few. > > > Opera isn't free and Mozilla is the successor of Netscape (at least > it's trying to be). > > > ;-) > > Roman thats true Roman, but there are at least 15 browsers . i am looking a t a cd from maximum linux. many are in beta. imagine when they are complete. 15 choices versus 1 for that other operting system. i understand that opera is about 40 bucks. but then its supposed to fit on one floppy and be lightning fast. na na na na na na
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I am sure others on the list agree.go back to your nice little warm and comfy winblows, have fun with your reboots and the other BS that winblows brings. I can tell you this, we have several microsxs NT boxes here at work that even microsuxs themselves (with premier support) can not figure out why they reboot daily, sometimes twice a day. And yet my *nix boxes have yet to crash/reboot or had any major troubles in over 6 months. I think MS should stop producing new revs of OS and fix the crap they have now and make it STABLE! -Original Message- From: Gil Baron W0MN [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, July 20, 2000 7:48 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Windoze > -Original Message- > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > tell you where > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > too. > I mean applications for Ham Radio like Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card Logic 5 Logging and radio control program Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put in my Palm for GPS use PSP5 The best low cost image processing program All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not that many apps but a lot. Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not yet on Linux. > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > application > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > (what language > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > PostgreSQL, > Interbase), Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I > just find it > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the > OS and not the > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average person. It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > ICQ: 7328191 > >
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I beg to differ, Outlook is Virus bate. We need a troll here almost as much as Outlook express. Hey ever wonder why so many companys refuse to use it? Give you a clue. It's Junk :) Now you have a real nice day and you dont forget to write. If Outlook will work that is :) Bye On Thu, 20 Jul 2000, you wrote: > > -Original Message- > > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > > tell you where > > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > > too. > > > > I mean applications for Ham Radio like > Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark > Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card > Logic 5 Logging and radio control program > Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion > MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office > FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put in my > Palm for GPS use > PSP5 The best low cost image processing program > > All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not > that many apps but a lot. > Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not yet > on Linux. > > > > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > > application > > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > > (what language > > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > > PostgreSQL, > > Interbase), > > Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft > counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I > > just find it > > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the > > OS and not the > > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. > > Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average > person. > It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. > > > > > > Alexander Skwar > > -- > > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > > ICQ:7328191 > > > >
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Hey Patrick, > linux has > netscape, konquer, opera, mozilla to name a few. Opera isn't free and Mozilla is the successor of Netscape (at least it's trying to be). ;-) Roman
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Hey Alexander, > Well, even if I wanted to, I couldn't try W2k, because my ISDN card, > that worked perfectly fine (as long as something can work perfectly > under Windoze) isn't even supported by W2k. And as long as there's > no hardware support for an OS, it is no alternative to switch to. >From my experience, Linux has less hardware support than Windows. Just look at all the messages "How can I get my XY running, please ?". In Windows it usually just takes to download the latest drivers. In Linux it's much more difficult for a newbie to get something running. (The statement above is just the authors opinion. Is does not have to be true or false, it's just an opinion) ;-) > have license for (besides Linux obviously) is W98. And W98 is extremely > unstable and with bad hardware suppport. E.g. it won't run my monitor at > 1152x864 at 100Hz, where Linux does this pretty well. Try downloading the latest drivers for your graphics card and monitor (in this case just the .inf file). ;-) Roman
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> -Original Message- > From: Alexander Skwar [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 11:15 AM > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [newbie] Windoze > > > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will > tell you where > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > too. > I mean applications for Ham Radio like Truetty RTTY and AMtor with sound cark Zakanaka PSK31 with sound card Logic 5 Logging and radio control program Fritz 6 Chess program that has beaten the world champion MS Office I don't want to convert files and everyone is using office FugawiA digital mapping program that allows me to make maps to put in my Palm for GPS use PSP5 The best low cost image processing program All this is only a start. I have 15000 files on my system. Of course not that many apps but a lot. Netscape sucks in comparison to IE5.5. Various other things that are not yet on Linux. > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as > application > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming > (what language > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, > PostgreSQL, > Interbase), Yes but these applications are not nearly as robust as the Usoft counterparts. Nothing available can touch Outlook and Outlook express. > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I > just find it > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the > OS and not the > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. Not at this time it won't. It is also MUCH harder to install for the average person. It is a fun toy and learning experience, that is all. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > ICQ: 7328191 > >
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many will make money on Linux. i dont think anybody expects the latest and greatest games to be free. as far as business software goes, it seems to be mostly included. let me show u some of the strengths of linux. u can also purchase business softwarre if u wish. that other operating system has internet explorer linux has netscape, konquer, opera, mozilla to name a few. some are not complete yet and the list is growing. there are many choices in Linux, there is no one to dictate u what u have to use. and another thing do u realize the cost of that other operating system. i was in the computer store today and windoz office suite profession is 449 dollars. wait for the 2.4 kernal. u just might be pleasantly surprised. and keep in mind that it seems that Linux has only as of late begun to enter the desktop market. with people writing for Linux around the world, its just a matter of time before,welll, like Linus said ,:"World Domination" :) Alexander Skwar wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will tell you where > > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > > What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is > available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. > > Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; > *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change > too. > > > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as application > > choice goes, you get what you pay for. > > Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), > graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and > lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming (what language > do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, PostgreSQL, > Interbase), > > > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I just find it > > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > > So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > > > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the OS and not the > > other way around. THAT is the real world. > > Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > ICQ:7328191
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Alexander Skwar wrote: > On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 04:47:21PM -0600, cjulwelling wrote: > > heh heh... I have had about the exact opposite luck as you. 7.0 died all > > the time on me where as 2000 has never crashed once... for me and I've had oh come on, be honest now :) nobody has that other operating system without crashes. are u posting this on all your own or did SOMEONE put u up to it :) > > > Well, even if I wanted to, I couldn't try W2k, because my ISDN card, that > worked perfectly fine (as long as something can work perfectly under > Windoze) isn't even supported by W2k. And as long as there's no hardware > support for an OS, it is no alternative to switch to. > > I'm running Linux for the last 3-4 years now, and don't remember when it > last crashed. Windows NT I never tried at home, because I don't have a > license for that. I don't care about it actually. And the only OS that I > have license for (besides Linux obviously) is W98. And W98 is extremely > unstable and with bad hardware suppport. E.g. it won't run my monitor at > 1152x864 at 100Hz, where Linux does this pretty well. > > So, if someone really suggests to use Windoze, he can't have a clue. At > least that's my experience. > > > they both have weaknesses and strengths and I also enjoy having 4 OS's on my > > computer( Be, Linux, 2k, 98). : ) > > Not that it is any of my business, but what do you need 4 OS's for? W2k and > Linux I can imagine, yes. But why 98 and Be? I personally need only one > OS. BTW: Haven't tried Be yet, no hardware support for my ISDN card; no > support == bad OS. > > Alexander Skwar > -- > Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com > Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys > ICQ:7328191
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On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 06:25:25PM -0500, Gilbert Baron wrote: > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will tell you where > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . What application do you need? They are all there! And everything is available, most even in GPL. Latest addition: StarOffice 6 will be GPL'd. Or do you mean application == games? If so, then yes, you are right; *professional* games are _still_ a weakness of Linux. But that'll change too. > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as application > choice goes, you get what you pay for. Yes, exactly! Everything I need is there: Office (KOffice, StarOffice), graphics (GIMP), browser (Netscape, Mozilla), email clients (lots and lotsa), news clients (too many to name 'em all), programming (what language do you want? I suppose that it is available), databases (MySQL, PostgreSQL, Interbase), > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I just find it > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. So isn't Windows. That's all I'm trying to say. > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the OS and not the > other way around. THAT is the real world. Sure, and that's why Linux will "win". If there's something to win. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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On Mon, Jul 17, 2000 at 04:47:21PM -0600, cjulwelling wrote: > heh heh... I have had about the exact opposite luck as you. 7.0 died all > the time on me where as 2000 has never crashed once... for me and I've had Well, even if I wanted to, I couldn't try W2k, because my ISDN card, that worked perfectly fine (as long as something can work perfectly under Windoze) isn't even supported by W2k. And as long as there's no hardware support for an OS, it is no alternative to switch to. I'm running Linux for the last 3-4 years now, and don't remember when it last crashed. Windows NT I never tried at home, because I don't have a license for that. I don't care about it actually. And the only OS that I have license for (besides Linux obviously) is W98. And W98 is extremely unstable and with bad hardware suppport. E.g. it won't run my monitor at 1152x864 at 100Hz, where Linux does this pretty well. So, if someone really suggests to use Windoze, he can't have a clue. At least that's my experience. > they both have weaknesses and strengths and I also enjoy having 4 OS's on my > computer( Be, Linux, 2k, 98). : ) Not that it is any of my business, but what do you need 4 OS's for? W2k and Linux I can imagine, yes. But why 98 and Be? I personally need only one OS. BTW: Haven't tried Be yet, no hardware support for my ISDN card; no support == bad OS. Alexander Skwar -- Homepage: http://www.digitalprojects.com Sichere Mail? Mail an [EMAIL PROTECTED] fuer GnuPG Keys ICQ:7328191
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, cjulwelling wrote: Hello Charles, >heh heh... I have had about the exact opposite luck as you. 7.0 died all >the time on me where as 2000 has never crashed once... for me and I've had >it running for as much as 2 months at a time before rebooting it to go into >another OS. I don't understand and perhaps you can enlighten me ( I missed >the post to which you are replying ) why someone who feels windows2000 is >better than linux needs to get a life? You obviously feel that linux is First off, the "get a life" is a quote from something that Alexander Skwar wrote. I am trying to get a life myself, if someone else is inclined to do so, then (s)he should initiate that her/himself. I think it is very much a matter of hardware that determines what OS will run best on it. My machines are very plain and standard, Win runs on it, Linux runs on it. Win98 seems very messy to me in respect to uninstalls. Win2000 has, as I wrote, not survived long. Linux works wonderful. I always say that you have to use what you like and what you can handle. I know someone who chugs along happily with a 286, dos 3.3 and a matrix printer. No problem. >better than windows2000 but does that mean that those who feel win2k is >better are retarded, and those who feel linux is better are smart? You will >probably say yes. I personally run them both because I can recognize that >they both have weaknesses and strengths and I also enjoy having 4 OS's on my >computer( Be, Linux, 2k, 98). : ) I say not yet, I say not no. But then, I hope I have made _my personal point_ above. I do not speak for the others on the list, nor can I, nor do I want to. Blessings, Paul >-Original Message- > >On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Alexander Skwar wrote: > >>On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 07:42:15PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: >>> After my troubles with 7.1 I have about the same feeling. I am doing this >as >>> a learning experience and something to play with. It is obvious that for >>> serious work for the home user, LINUX is NOT there yet. Maybe some day. >> >>Yeah, right. And Windows is ready? Come on, get a life. -- Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
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On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Gilbert Baron wrote: >>Windows is never ready. It took Microsoft 10 years to produce 1 windows >>manager. Linux has more than 5 already. > >Right you are, but it is working now. I don't care how long it took, the >fact is that it works for me. Yes, it is unstable at times but it does what >I need. It supports all of my hardware. It has the applications I need. If >Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will tell you where >they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . >Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as application >choice goes, you get what you pay for. Hello Gilbert. It boils down to something simple for me. Use what you want, what works for you. PC, Macintosh, Atari, Amiga, anything. Windows works for you as Linux works for me. >OS/2 was better too, look where it is! It is on a couple of CD's that I have. I have used OS/2 for many years, with a lot of pleasure :) >I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I just find it >is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. This entirely depends on what you want to use it for at home. I bet you a dollar that you do many different things with your systems than I do. >AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the OS and not the >other way around. THAT is the real world. It is not, in _MY_ opinion, the thing to compare Windows and Linux yet. Windows is made so anyone can install it (and yet I know people who are afraid to try that). Linux is getting there, I think. And if it does not, that's okay with me. I have my spreadsheet, word processor, e-mail, cd-burner, MP3 player and such. I am happy. If you have these too and you are happy too, then we're both happy. Right? Blessings, Paul -- Show me a good loser and I'll show you a loser. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
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Gilbert Baron wrote: > Right you are, but it is working now. I don't care how long it took, the > fact is that it works for me. Yes, it is unstable at times but it does what > I need. It supports all of my hardware. It has the applications I need. If > Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. Geez, you've really not give the Linux world a chance have you? There are more apps than I can shake a mouse at!!! I will tell you where > they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . > Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as application > choice goes, you get what you pay for. Right. Thats why my $29 purchase price nabbed *6* CD's full of software...whereas you pay what, $90-100 for Windog, and how many CD's? ;-) > OS/2 was better too, look where it is! Unfair comparison, since IBM dropped support for OS/2... Linux continues to be very well supported. > I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I just find it > is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. > AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the OS and not the > other way around. THAT is the real world. Nobody I know of that has even a modicum of knowledge about the computing "world" is talking about Linux in the past tense. I guess it comes down to the diff. in people and their individual philosophy; I'd much rather have a super-cool OS with fewer apps, than a bloated, kludge of an OS with zillions of apps... ;-) -- /\ Dark>
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-Original Message- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 3:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Windoze On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Alexander Skwar wrote: >On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 07:42:15PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: >> After my troubles with 7.1 I have about the same feeling. I am doing this as >> a learning experience and something to play with. It is obvious that for >> serious work for the home user, LINUX is NOT there yet. Maybe some day. > >Yeah, right. And Windows is ready? Come on, get a life. > >Windows is never ready. It took Microsoft 10 years to produce 1 windows >manager. Linux has more than 5 already. Right you are, but it is working now. I don't care how long it took, the fact is that it works for me. Yes, it is unstable at times but it does what I need. It supports all of my hardware. It has the applications I need. If Linux is so great, where are all of the applications. I will tell you where they are. They are not written because nobody can make money on it . Everyone expects everything for free on Linux. Well ad far as application choice goes, you get what you pay for. OS/2 was better too, look where it is! I am not hoping that we talk about LINUX in the past tense. I just find it is not ready for serious use yet AT HOME. AGAIN though applications are the major thing, they drive the OS and not the other way around. THAT is the real world.
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heh heh... I have had about the exact opposite luck as you. 7.0 died all the time on me where as 2000 has never crashed once... for me and I've had it running for as much as 2 months at a time before rebooting it to go into another OS. I don't understand and perhaps you can enlighten me ( I missed the post to which you are replying ) why someone who feels windows2000 is better than linux needs to get a life? You obviously feel that linux is better than windows2000 but does that mean that those who feel win2k is better are retarded, and those who feel linux is better are smart? You will probably say yes. I personally run them both because I can recognize that they both have weaknesses and strengths and I also enjoy having 4 OS's on my computer( Be, Linux, 2k, 98). : ) later, charles ulwelling -Original Message- From: Paul [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 17, 2000 2:27 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Windoze On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Alexander Skwar wrote: >On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 07:42:15PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: >> After my troubles with 7.1 I have about the same feeling. I am doing this as >> a learning experience and something to play with. It is obvious that for >> serious work for the home user, LINUX is NOT there yet. Maybe some day. > >Yeah, right. And Windows is ready? Come on, get a life. Windows is never ready. It took Microsoft 10 years to produce 1 windows manager. Linux has more than 5 already. I have had Win2k on my machine for 6 weeks, and Win2k keeled over dead 10 times in that period. In the 4 months that I am continuously running Linux (MDK 7.0 and 7.1) I managed to lock up the system once. Win98 is as unstable as an egg with a bad hairday. The only thing I can sort of appreciate is Win NT4/sp6, but that is a terror to maintain. But for people who thrive on games that is not an alternative. (Btw I do not play games on computers.) 'nuff said. Paul -- Nobody ever forgets where he buried the hatchet. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
[newbie] Windoze
On Mon, 17 Jul 2000, Alexander Skwar wrote: >On Sun, Jul 16, 2000 at 07:42:15PM -0500, Gil Baron W0MN wrote: >> After my troubles with 7.1 I have about the same feeling. I am doing this as >> a learning experience and something to play with. It is obvious that for >> serious work for the home user, LINUX is NOT there yet. Maybe some day. > >Yeah, right. And Windows is ready? Come on, get a life. Windows is never ready. It took Microsoft 10 years to produce 1 windows manager. Linux has more than 5 already. I have had Win2k on my machine for 6 weeks, and Win2k keeled over dead 10 times in that period. In the 4 months that I am continuously running Linux (MDK 7.0 and 7.1) I managed to lock up the system once. Win98 is as unstable as an egg with a bad hairday. The only thing I can sort of appreciate is Win NT4/sp6, but that is a terror to maintain. But for people who thrive on games that is not an alternative. (Btw I do not play games on computers.) 'nuff said. Paul -- Nobody ever forgets where he buried the hatchet. )0([[EMAIL PROTECTED]])0( http://nlpagan.net - ICQ 147208 Registered Linux User 174403
Re: [newbie] Windoze partition
Log in as your regular user, then su to mount the Win9x partition, then su back to your regular user to use the partition. I think this is how I do it (not in Linux right now). You just have to be the super-user to mount or umount the DOS partition, although I could be wrong. I know I can not move or delete files from the DOS partition as a regular user, but I can create and copy them. Hope this is useful, Ernie - Original Message - From: Sam <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 1999 9:59 AM Subject: [newbie] Windoze partition > Help me Wr. Wizard . . . . > > I still can't write to my Windoze partition from anything but the root > account. Where do I have to go and what do I have to do to enable this > for my user account. I've gone everywhere I can think of as the root > user, and as a super user, changed permissions whever I could find them, > and still can't write to the windoze partition unless I'm using the root > account. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > > Sam > >
Re: [newbie] Windoze partition
On Wed, 13 Oct 1999, you wrote: > Help me Wr. Wizard . . . . > > I still can't write to my Windoze partition from anything but the root > account. Where do I have to go and what do I have to do to enable this > for my user account. I've gone everywhere I can think of as the root > user, and as a super user, changed permissions whever I could find them, > and still can't write to the windoze partition unless I'm using the root > account. > > Any help would be greatly appreciated. > /dev/hda1 /mnt/dosvfat defaults, user 0 0 (all on one line) should allow you to write to the "Windoze" partition. BE CAREFUL! You can seriously damage your Windows partition by doing this if you aren't careful! Instead try "mcopy" to copy files to your dos partition. John
[newbie] Windoze partition
Help me Wr. Wizard . . . . I still can't write to my Windoze partition from anything but the root account. Where do I have to go and what do I have to do to enable this for my user account. I've gone everywhere I can think of as the root user, and as a super user, changed permissions whever I could find them, and still can't write to the windoze partition unless I'm using the root account. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Sam
