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On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 08:55, Lanman wrote: Nice reply Joe. So incisive, that I couldn't put it down. A good read! And I see we finally agree on something. You are touched. Perhaps you should seek professional help. g Evidently he defeats his opponents by smashing his jaw into their knuckles. And the Yer filtered thing is quite confusing. That's the most amount of filtering I've ever seen done where nothing was filtered. Glad we finally got that dealt with. What say we move on to something that's interesting, like, um, I don't know, maybe Linux? Have a nice Day! Lanman Glad you're here, LM. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 23:40, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE, show some prove for your statements. I'll have to get back to you as I don't have all of my info bookmarked and/or easily available. It's hard to provide an URL for a paragraph in a book. You can take that statement however you like, but I'd prefer you took it as I meant it. Brant, We of the facts and figures would like for it to be that way, but they can't win by doing that, since the evidence is not on their side. Therefore they will not take it like you mean it, and will run away from the core arguments. Some URL like that maybe? Not some racists book... Are you kidding me? How can you apply logic so well when it comes to computers but totally fail when it comes to the real world? Are you implying that every single individual that has been associated with Lott's publisher is by that mere association a racist? Brant, he doesn't know who John R Lott is. In fact none of them on the wrong side of the issue do, and none of them are studied on the subject. (which is why they are on the wrong side of the issue to begin with.) He has John R. Lott confused with Senator Trent Lott in the Congress of the United States, who recently had a run-in with the black caucus over a poorly worded statement at a party, and was subsequently dubbed a racist. John R. Lott has never had any such similar circumstances even remotely associated with him. You see, there's not a clue to be found here. If there was, and if they were educated enough, they would realize that Lott was an example set as a trap for them; as was Tammy Bruce. Both traps worked out excellently, btw. In the case of John R. Lott, he is a former leftist that set out to prove that firearms were a danger to the populace. His intent was to find facts, figures and statistics that would finally, once and for all, put to the sword the idea of the right to own firearms and the relevance of that to survival and self defense. Instead, he found by examination of the actual data that the opposite was true: the Bill of Rights was vindicated by the data, as were the guns rights advocates. What the guns rights advocates had been saying all along was right. And that is what he discovered. Being an honest man, he changed his stance and printed the truth. So their ideology is damned by one of their own. Now he stands accused by the ignorant as a racist, by those who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about or even *who* they are supposed to be talking about. I fully expected them to fall into the trap of accusing John of being a right winger; the racist stuff was merely an extra bonus. The reason why these dogs get outlawed here is exactly the same as why guns are restricted: _look_ at them. I don't want those fucked up people who own a Pit Bull have one. As I don't want those brain-dead alcoholic gun-crazy redneck to have one. You totally missed the point. I apologize for not making it clearer. No need to apologize, the point is being danced around because your demonstration of the failure of their reasoning is close at hand. To me it looks to be merely a delaying tactic on their part. The point was--you don't mess with a Pit Bull because it's obvious the dog is quite capable of hurting you if you try to hurt it. It is the same with humans. You don't want to mess with a human that is obviously capable of hurting you if you try to hurt them. My description of criminals being cowards, but not stupid, reflects that fact. When given the choice between attacking a little old lady with a thousand dollars in her purse and a very large football player with a thousand dollars in his pocket which do you think would be the more likely target? What if you now gave that old lady a gun, taught her how to use it, and informed that same attacker that she had a gun and knew how to use it? Now which one would be the more likely target? I think, and I'm sure you'll disagree, but I think that this is coming very close to a lose-lose situation for our attacker. Let's sweeten the deal. The old lady has $10,000. Still not looking good for the attacker. Excellent essay. Only a complete idiot wouldn't get what I'm saying at this point. Very good point. Watch too much TV lately? Wow. What did that have to do with anything I said? b. Was a delaying tactic. Throwing you off the trail. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Kudos to you. :) --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/
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Joe; Let's try this one again. I'm going to reply to your garbage all in one email so that you can understand the whole picture without having to run to some bullsh$t statistic info. And just for you, I'll try to keep the words small, so that even you can understand. While I agree that you can have an opinion about war even if you don't have the guts to stand on your convictions and put it on the line for something you believe in, I'm also pretty sure that being involved in an actual shooting war would give you a distinctly different perspective. I'm also sure that when the fighting stopped, you'd be the first person to crawl out of your hidey-hole with an entirely new perspective. It's very easy to have an opinion when you stand on the sidelines, but try to stick to your convictions when you're hip deep in the fight of your life. Next; Please make up your mind. First you insult Frankie because in Australia things are not the way you think they should be? Then it's off to the U.S for the same thing? Now you have this bullshit notion of how things are in Canada? PUh-Lease! Send me your fax number, and I'll be happy to drown you in statistical data from the RCMP, and the O.P.P. which clearly demonstrates that you're looking at the wrong info. Are you looking at gun-related crimes on a per-capita basis? Are you looking at the budget increases to most major police forces in Canada where they increase their budgets on violent crimes, and extended firearms training? Do you know anyone on a legitimate Police Force (that hasn't tried to put handcuffs on you, that is), that can give you the real facts? One of my best friends works for the Vancouver Police in forensics and the data he has is completely different from the drivel you've been spouting. Load that fax machine up with paper, Pal. You'll need it. Then come back to this list. Or do the real facts scare you? Are you afraid of the truth? Idealism is a great thing, but it must be balanced with reality. Give it a try some time. You'd like to see everyone disarmed, right? Get in line! But since reality seems to indicate that this will not happen in our lifetime, then it does make sense to be able to defend yourself with equal force. At least that way you have a chance. Think about the fact that the government doesn't want you to own an unlicensed/unregistered firearm, and the fines that go with it. Then ask yourself why the criminals who get caught with guns almost never get any serious prison time for breaking that law. Kind of strange don't you think? Since you feel so strongly about it, why don't you do something about it? I'm sure that you could start a petition, or contact your MLA or something? I admit that most people who legally own firearms should be made to take some serious training in crisis situations, and how to hang onto their weapons, and maybe they should be held responsible ( at least in part ) for any crimes in which their stolen weapons are used, but how are you going to get our government to take something like that seriously? In other words, what's your solution? Do you have one, or are you just satisfied with sitting on the fence and pronouncing judgement? Must be awful safe up there, eh? I think that the fence you're sitting on is a little too high, and the air must be pretty thin up there. Other people on this list have provided facts, and web-sites that prove your theory to be completely wrong, but I don't see you replying to them. Their information holds at least as much truth as yours. Or are you so arrogant that you refuse to see that fact, or to give them the benefit of the doubt? Why would anyone want to believe anything you say if you're not prepared to even try to believe them? Guess the air is getting thinner upon that fence, HM? Now let's look at the stats Joe. Canada has about 10 percent of the population that the US has. Or did you forget that little fact? Therefore it makes sense that things like this would happen more often in the States than in Canada, right? At least 10 times more often wouldn't you think? That's a real easy leap of logic Joe, so I'm sure you can follow along with the rest of us. We have a better system of gun control here, but even so it's not your version, so it's not great, right? Did you also know that the amount of instances where kids in Canada are bringing guns to school is also on the increase? Even in Toronto they're installing metal detectors. Think they'd be spending the cash if there wasn't a real possibility of it happening? And yes, that one incident was about 15 years ago here in Montreal, but it's not the first and not the last. I see you've been rather selective about those items you've responded to. Afraid to concede the ones you didn't reply to? Didn't hear a peep out of you about the motorcycle gangs here in Montreal, or the gang wars in Vancouver, and you've artfully dodged points that others on the list have posted in
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On 7/10/2003 at 2:07 AM Lyvim Xaphir wrote: Let's sweeten the deal. The old lady has $10,000. Still not looking good for the attacker. *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** Hey! If she's got 10 grand ( by the way, is that in U.S. dollars?), I say lose the gun, and marry her! You get the money without a gun, or a possible conviction, and you get to give her a few years of happiness to boot! What's not to like? Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:41:39 -0400 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: big snip of bunch of bullshit whatever. I tried to keep this on the OT list, but I guess some are too thick to get the hint. you wasted all that typing on me, to make it simple for me? I'm touched. Best Regards, Fuck you... End it. snip more insipient garble -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 02:48:06 up 15 days, 8:29, 2 users, load average: 0.14, 0.68, 0.74 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Some trap loseryour inability to string together a single thought is frightening. John R. Lott of the American Enterprise Institute. That's a real lefty org. Get your head out of your ass. I'm well aware of his good works as a neo fascist. John R. Lott, Jr. teaches criminal deterrence and law and economics at the University of Chicago Law School, where he is the John M. Olin Visiting Law and Economics Fellow. He was the chief economist at the United States Sentencing Commission during 1988 and 1989. He has published over 70 articles in academic journals. Yeah he's a lefty all right, law and order and big money...you are an absolute idiot. I'm amazed that you're allowed to operate a motor vehicle. If he were any more right he'd have to wear a swastika by law. You aren't allowed to drive are you? MRW - Original Message - From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:07 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 23:40, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE, show some prove for your statements. I'll have to get back to you as I don't have all of my info bookmarked and/or easily available. It's hard to provide an URL for a paragraph in a book. You can take that statement however you like, but I'd prefer you took it as I meant it. Brant, We of the facts and figures would like for it to be that way, but they can't win by doing that, since the evidence is not on their side. Therefore they will not take it like you mean it, and will run away from the core arguments. Some URL like that maybe? Not some racists book... Are you kidding me? How can you apply logic so well when it comes to computers but totally fail when it comes to the real world? Are you implying that every single individual that has been associated with Lott's publisher is by that mere association a racist? Brant, he doesn't know who John R Lott is. In fact none of them on the wrong side of the issue do, and none of them are studied on the subject. (which is why they are on the wrong side of the issue to begin with.) He has John R. Lott confused with Senator Trent Lott in the Congress of the United States, who recently had a run-in with the black caucus over a poorly worded statement at a party, and was subsequently dubbed a racist. John R. Lott has never had any such similar circumstances even remotely associated with him. You see, there's not a clue to be found here. If there was, and if they were educated enough, they would realize that Lott was an example set as a trap for them; as was Tammy Bruce. Both traps worked out excellently, btw. In the case of John R. Lott, he is a former leftist that set out to prove that firearms were a danger to the populace. His intent was to find facts, figures and statistics that would finally, once and for all, put to the sword the idea of the right to own firearms and the relevance of that to survival and self defense. Instead, he found by examination of the actual data that the opposite was true: the Bill of Rights was vindicated by the data, as were the guns rights advocates. What the guns rights advocates had been saying all along was right. And that is what he discovered. Being an honest man, he changed his stance and printed the truth. So their ideology is damned by one of their own. Now he stands accused by the ignorant as a racist, by those who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about or even *who* they are supposed to be talking about. I fully expected them to fall into the trap of accusing John of being a right winger; the racist stuff was merely an extra bonus. The reason why these dogs get outlawed here is exactly the same as why guns are restricted: _look_ at them. I don't want those fucked up people who own a Pit Bull have one. As I don't want those brain-dead alcoholic gun-crazy redneck to have one. You totally missed the point. I apologize for not making it clearer. No need to apologize, the point is being danced around because your demonstration of the failure of their reasoning is close at hand. To me it looks to be merely a delaying tactic on their part. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Nice reply Joe. So incisive, that I couldn't put it down. A good read ! And I see we finally agree on something. You are touched. Perhaps you should seek professional help. Glad we finally got that dealt with. What say we move on to something that's interesting, like, um, I don't know, maybe Linux? Have a nice Day! Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 23:07, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 23:40, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PLEASE, show some prove for your statements. I'll have to get back to you as I don't have all of my info bookmarked and/or easily available. It's hard to provide an URL for a paragraph in a book. You can take that statement however you like, but I'd prefer you took it as I meant it. Brant, We of the facts and figures would like for it to be that way, but they can't win by doing that, since the evidence is not on their side. Therefore they will not take it like you mean it, and will run away from the core arguments. Some URL like that maybe? Not some racists book... Are you kidding me? How can you apply logic so well when it comes to computers but totally fail when it comes to the real world? Are you implying that every single individual that has been associated with Lott's publisher is by that mere association a racist? Brant, he doesn't know who John R Lott is. In fact none of them on the wrong side of the issue do, and none of them are studied on the subject. (which is why they are on the wrong side of the issue to begin with.) He has John R. Lott confused with Senator Trent Lott in the Congress of the United States, who recently had a run-in with the black caucus over a poorly worded statement at a party, and was subsequently dubbed a racist. John R. Lott has never had any such similar circumstances even remotely associated with him. You see, there's not a clue to be found here. If there was, and if they were educated enough, they would realize that Lott was an example set as a trap for them; as was Tammy Bruce. Both traps worked out excellently, btw. In the case of John R. Lott, he is a former leftist that set out to prove that firearms were a danger to the populace. His intent was to find facts, figures and statistics that would finally, once and for all, put to the sword the idea of the right to own firearms and the relevance of that to survival and self defense. Instead, he found by examination of the actual data that the opposite was true: the Bill of Rights was vindicated by the data, as were the guns rights advocates. What the guns rights advocates had been saying all along was right. And that is what he discovered. Being an honest man, he changed his stance and printed the truth. So their ideology is damned by one of their own. Now he stands accused by the ignorant as a racist, by those who have absolutely no idea what they are talking about or even *who* they are supposed to be talking about. I fully expected them to fall into the trap of accusing John of being a right winger; the racist stuff was merely an extra bonus. The reason why these dogs get outlawed here is exactly the same as why guns are restricted: _look_ at them. I don't want those fucked up people who own a Pit Bull have one. As I don't want those brain-dead alcoholic gun-crazy redneck to have one. You totally missed the point. I apologize for not making it clearer. No need to apologize, the point is being danced around because your demonstration of the failure of their reasoning is close at hand. To me it looks to be merely a delaying tactic on their part. The point was--you don't mess with a Pit Bull because it's obvious the dog is quite capable of hurting you if you try to hurt it. It is the same with humans. You don't want to mess with a human that is obviously capable of hurting you if you try to hurt them. My description of criminals being cowards, but not stupid, reflects that fact. When given the choice between attacking a little old lady with a thousand dollars in her purse and a very large football player with a thousand dollars in his pocket which do you think would be the more likely target? What if you now gave that old lady a gun, taught her how to use it, and informed that same attacker that she had a gun and knew how to use it? Now which one would be the more likely target? I think, and I'm sure you'll disagree, but I think that this is coming very close to a lose-lose situation for our attacker. Let's sweeten the deal. The old lady has $10,000. Still not looking good for the attacker. Excellent essay. Only a complete idiot wouldn't get what I'm saying at this point. Very good point. Watch too much TV lately? Wow. What did that have to do with anything I said? b. Was a delaying tactic. Throwing you off the trail. -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident. -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860) Kudos to you. :) Most Execellant --LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft?
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Stephen, Heheheehewe're not allowed to have guns in Australia. Now you know that is just not true... Honest people are not permitted to own guns.. The crims didn't have to hand in their guns and stuff cos they were not registed in the first place.. Our police force are great, they would rather investigate a murder after the fact then give the victim the means to defend themselves before the fact.. Reasons pretty simple, if the person defends themself and doesn't die, they are taking work away from our hard working coppers, and also they take hero status from the cops. Whereas if the victim dies, the cops get to do their thing and be heros when they catch the perp. (which hasn't happened yet, but we remain ever hopeful. :-) Kind of ironic really, since for the most part, most have shown a preference to setting up multinovas (speed cameras) on every corner as a means to raise money and obliviate the need for actual work.. (although here in perth, they are having to work tracking down raging drivers who have gotten upset and smashed the multinovas...) ahhh. I sometimes think you yanks are the only democracy that has some semblance of freedom left, the rest of us are free to the extent that we don't step out of the boundary's of the thousands of laws created by the pollies in the hopes that some of them may be popular. anyway, that was all OT, so I will finish by saying that page was very cool. rgds Franki Perth, Western Australia htmlfixit.com -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Wednesday, 9 July 2003 7:29 AM To: Mandrake Newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 08:41, N/A wrote: I'M A COMPLETE IDIOT - SHOOT ME alright... uh... now i need to uninstall Outlook... can someone help me? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 08:58:30 up 14 days, 14:39, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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lol, well each of us is entitled to their own opinion, usually even without it being deemed by some as unintelligible and stupid. Since you saw fit to pass judgement on me, and the fact that you couldn't' possibly be so full of shit as to pass judgement on statements about a country you don't live in, I'll assume you are an Australian then Where in AU might I ask?? Did you know, and I am sure this will shock you.. that they discovered some 5 years after the gun ban came into effect here.. that there are altogether too many guns in Australia?? and that they also discovered that they were being brought into the country by shady characters who didn't hand them in. How dare you question my right to have an opinion (especially one that would appear to differ greatly from your obviously highbrow and intellectual beliefs). Apparently that very thing (the right to have opinions) is all that is left of what is called freedom and I exercise it at every opportunity. My surprise is that someone of your intelligence (though in retrospect lack thereof might be more appropriate.) would simply deem to declare judgement on something without actually knowing anything of the reasons behind it, or the circumstances in the country it was made from. ### I work up some time last year, at about 3.30 in the morning, to discover 5 strange men in my house, in fact they were in front of the door my girlfriend was sleeping behind. I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Luckily they did not see me, so I was able to call the cops, and then make so much noise that they all bailed and ran.. so I never found out if they were armed or not.. I am profoundly happy for that, because if they had been, I would have been completely helpless to do anything about it.. FYI, The cops appeared on the scene some 40 odd minutes later.. just in time to disinterestedly take our statements. ### And in the Australian capital of break-ins and burglaries, (Perth, Western Australia) all I have to do is watch the news each night to see the old folk being bashed in their own homes, people being stabbed and shot in their own houses to have that opinion of mine that is so unintelligible and stupid reinforced. So you can take your judgemental statements and jam them where the sun don't shine for it is you who has been painted unintelligible and stupid. I am an Australian, I am free (apparently) and I have opinions, You MR Joe Hill can go right to hell. (or China, I've heard it said that people such as yourself do well there, and you'd get the added benefit of being able to punish the people that don't believe as you do) kindest regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 08:58:30 up 14 days, 14:39, 3 users, load average: 0.05, 0.02, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 16:57, Frankie wrote: lol, well each of us is entitled to their own opinion, usually even without it being deemed by some as unintelligible and stupid. Since you saw fit to pass judgement on me, and the fact that you couldn't' possibly be so full of shit as to pass judgement on statements about a country you don't live in, I'll assume you are an Australian then Where in AU might I ask?? Did you know, and I am sure this will shock you.. that they discovered some 5 years after the gun ban came into effect here.. that there are altogether too many guns in Australia?? and that they also discovered that they were being brought into the country by shady characters who didn't hand them in. How dare you question my right to have an opinion (especially one that would appear to differ greatly from your obviously highbrow and intellectual beliefs). Apparently that very thing (the right to have opinions) is all that is left of what is called freedom and I exercise it at every opportunity. My surprise is that someone of your intelligence (though in retrospect lack thereof might be more appropriate.) would simply deem to declare judgement on something without actually knowing anything of the reasons behind it, or the circumstances in the country it was made from. Could you spread your right-wing opinion on the OT list and NOT here? http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot bones Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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snip Could you spread your right-wing opinion on the OT list and NOT here? http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot bones /snip Nope, I am done spreading.. except to say that I was unaware wanting to protect my family was right wing. I have one thing in common with Mr Joe Hill, and that is that I am a user and supporter of Linux.. I have that same thing in common with most others on this list, and that is enough. I will focus on that instead.. In fact I will apologise for posting at all, I have been seriously ill for the last week and as my lady will testify, short tempered, overly verbose and questionable in my ability to withhold said verbosity... for that I apologise... The fact that so many of different walks of life can agree on linux is a wonderful thing. regards franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Actually Frankie, Joe seems to located in Canada, not in Australia, unless Sympatico has moved their Canadian domain name down under. Just thought you should know, in case Joe was referring to Canada and not Australia. Just a quick question here, because your reply to Joe doesn't seem to spell it out, but are you saying that you wish you could keep a gun at home or that guns should be banned? I'm not challenging your opinion, just seeking clarification of it. It's hard to follow a thread if you don't understand what someone is saying. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/9/2003 at 10:57 PM Frankie wrote: lol, well each of us is entitled to their own opinion, usually even without it being deemed by some as unintelligible and stupid. Since you saw fit to pass judgement on me, and the fact that you couldn't' possibly be so full of shit as to pass judgement on statements about a country you don't live in, I'll assume you are an Australian then Where in AU might I ask?? Did you know, and I am sure this will shock you.. that they discovered some 5 years after the gun ban came into effect here.. that there are altogether too many guns in Australia?? and that they also discovered that they were being brought into the country by shady characters who didn't hand them in. How dare you question my right to have an opinion (especially one that would appear to differ greatly from your obviously highbrow and intellectual beliefs). Apparently that very thing (the right to have opinions) is all that is left of what is called freedom and I exercise it at every opportunity. My surprise is that someone of your intelligence (though in retrospect lack thereof might be more appropriate.) would simply deem to declare judgement on something without actually knowing anything of the reasons behind it, or the circumstances in the country it was made from. ### I work up some time last year, at about 3.30 in the morning, to discover 5 strange men in my house, in fact they were in front of the door my girlfriend was sleeping behind. I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Luckily they did not see me, so I was able to call the cops, and then make so much noise that they all bailed and ran.. so I never found out if they were armed or not.. I am profoundly happy for that, because if they had been, I would have been completely helpless to do anything about it.. FYI, The cops appeared on the scene some 40 odd minutes later.. just in time to disinterestedly take our statements. ### And in the Australian capital of break-ins and burglaries, (Perth, Western Australia) all I have to do is watch the news each night to see the old folk being bashed in their own homes, people being stabbed and shot in their own houses to have that opinion of mine that is so unintelligible and stupid reinforced. So you can take your judgemental statements and jam them where the sun don't shine for it is you who has been painted unintelligible and stupid. I am an Australian, I am free (apparently) and I have opinions, You MR Joe Hill can go right to hell. (or China, I've heard it said that people such as yourself do well there, and you'd get the added benefit of being able to punish the people that don't believe as you do) kindest regards Franki Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 08:59, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. Frankie is absolutely correct in what he is saying, the facts, figures and statistics are on HIS side and the only thing that's unintelligible and stupid is your knee jerk reaction; so *you* are the one that's out of line. You just should have just kept your mouth shut, especially since he was on the way out of the thread. Now you've got my attention and I will be here until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On 09 Jul 2003 13:10:12 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Frankie is absolutely correct in what he is saying, the facts, figures and statistics are on HIS side can you please point me to these facts figures and statistics? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 13:36:44 up 14 days, 19:17, 4 users, load average: 0.09, 0.05, 0.01 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On 09 Jul 2003 13:10:12 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. You haven't got the brains, balls, or, apparently, the facts. Yer filtered. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 13:38:42 up 14 days, 19:19, 4 users, load average: 0.01, 0.03, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Ok, so *you* with *one* gun would have prevented that? Really? Did you know that statistically it would be more likely they would take the gun away from you and use it against you? Thought not. Discussion over. Yer Filtered. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 13:45:51 up 14 days, 19:27, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 01:10:12PM -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 08:59, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. Frankie is absolutely correct in what he is saying, the facts, figures and statistics are on HIS side and the only thing that's unintelligible and stupid is your knee jerk reaction; so *you* are the one that's out of line. You just should have just kept your mouth shut, especially since he was on the way out of the thread. Now you've got my attention and I will be here until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. --LX *plonk* Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: How dare you question my right to have an opinion Oh, I'm not questioning your right to have an opinion. I am saying your opinion is stupid. Big difference there! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 13:43:56 up 14 days, 19:25, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 01:47 pm, JoeHill wrote: Ok, so *you* with *one* gun would have prevented that? Really? Did you know that statistically it would be more likely they would take the gun away from you and use it against you? Thought not. Discussion over. Yer Filtered. Thats incorrect. Its a (very) proven fact that firearms prevent more crimes than they are used in/cause. But really, what does this have to do with Linux? Thanks. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 01:46 pm, Frankie wrote: snip As I said before, lets just rejoice in the fact that we at least have linux as the common experiance of our lives. kindest regards Franki That was very well stated Franki! :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:47, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Ok, so *you* with *one* gun would have prevented that? Really? Did you know that statistically it would be more likely they would take the gun away from you and use it against you? Thought not. Ever read a book? Thought not. You're a spout for liberal lies and bullshit, a mushroom in a black room, reiterating what you hear without any literary verification. Not that this will do any good for somebody like you, but here: The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce ISBN: 0761516638 The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0895261146 The Seven Myths of Gun Control: Reclaiming the Truth About Guns, Crime, and the Second Amendment by Richard Poe, David Horowitz ISBN: 0761525580 More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.) by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0226493644 -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hi Can we PLEASE kill this thread NOW. I don't want to have to set up a rule to filter anything with the above subject to the trash can as I feel I should not have to do this. John -- We can never see past the choices we don't understand MSN: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 92791912 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 10:46, Frankie wrote: Lanman, I am aware he is not an Australian (my comment was distastefully sarcastic and fueled by anger), and his only comment was that my statement was: unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. he made no reference to Canada or Australia, just a comment on my Australian based opinion. He was correct at least about the last point (that it was OT). My belief is simple, if ALL guns could be removed, from everyone, no exceptions.. then I could maybe agree with banning. However, since that is totally imposible and probably dangerous in some instances, (like police, rural communities, defense forces etc), the honest citizens should not be punished by losing the right to defend themselves from the dishonest ones. I shudder at the thought of those 5 guys who broke into my house.. had they a gun, (who knows, they might have) they could have raped/bashed/killed my lady, and I would have been totally without recourse (at least no recouse that didn't involve getting shot).. that scared me badly. (and still does), terrifies's me in fact, I would at least wanted to have had a chance to do something. Lyvim, I do not dispute his right to an opinion, I dispute his right to disparage my opinion without some backup proof.. I do not know if I am right or left wing, I don't even know what the definations of each are, and quiet frankly I don't care, they are just words.. I am what I am and prefer not to be labelled at all. Put simply, in my opinion Mr Joe Hill should learn to judge me not, till he has walked a mile in my shoes. I have noticed that from my years on this list, that most heated discussions on this list have Joe at one end of them And to lighten things up, I will add: and if he walks a mile in my shoes.. he better start running cos I will want them back. :-) also, I have size 16 feet, so you could say that my shoes would be hard to fill. :-) Please guys, lets not persue this any further... since none of us are in a position to change anything, no purpose is served by discussing it further.. I am already sorry i posted. As I said before, lets just rejoice in the fact that we at least have linux as the common experiance of our lives. kindest regards Franki Nuff said -Original Message- From: Lyvim Xaphir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2003 1:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 08:59, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. Frankie is absolutely correct in what he is saying, the facts, figures and statistics are on HIS side and the only thing that's unintelligible and stupid is your knee jerk reaction; so *you* are the one that's out of line. You just should have just kept your mouth shut, especially since he was on the way out of the thread. Now you've got my attention and I will be here until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:37:55 -0400 Isaac Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: You can count this American as one who is both annoyed with the right-wing list and with the right-wing country. The environment on this mailing list is the reason I began switching to Debian a while ago. Even Red Hat lists weren't as dominated by defensive insecure longwinded neocons. I switched to Mandrake from RH because of the RH community, and every time I get back on this list for some help I never go more than a month before reinstalling a dual-boot of Debian to get myself in that direction again. This is great software, but I can't stand the mean-spirited angst-ridden insecure defensive right wing community. You carry yourselves like children and it is embarassing to even watch. If all the rahrah flagwavers on here are foaming at the mouth whenever they hear a non-right perspective, why are they running *French* software? Last time I checked the French were right between Syria and Cuba on the list of future targets. I just don't get it, but I do know that the extent to which off-topic disrespectful and inarticulate threads dominate this list makes me spend more and more time each day learning Debian instead of L-M. That is really sad. Well, you could try to do what I do, and make it fun. They really are harmless, mostly, and if you get them going enough they either go away of their own accord *or* if you get sick of it, just filter them out, again as I do. http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net Now let's just end this. I promise not to reply to Frankie or Lirthxm Xjythrm (wasn't that Superman's arch enemy?) anymore, unless they get their sorry asses over to the offtopic list. Who's with me? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 15:06:00 up 14 days, 20:47, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.02, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 10:10, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 08:59, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. Now you've got my attention and I will be here until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. O.K. bubba I am one of those Right Wing Morons and even I think that You are OT and way off base aron (NRA life member since 1979) --LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:37, JoeHill wrote: On 09 Jul 2003 13:10:12 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Frankie is absolutely correct in what he is saying, the facts, figures and statistics are on HIS side can you please point me to these facts figures and statistics? Glad you asked that question; thrilled even. I've already done that in a previous email; perhaps it has not reached the list yet. But all the better. I'll repost what I've already sent plus some extra stuff that is also related to the whole entire picture. Not that it will do any good since you don't sound like the reading type. But here it is anyway: Useful Idiots: How Liberals Got It Wrong in the Cold War and Still Blame America First by Mona Charen ISBN: 0895261391 Treason: Liberal Treachery from the Cold War to the War on Terrorism by Ann Coulter ISBN: 1400050308 The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce ISBN: 0761516638 The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0895261146 The Seven Myths of Gun Control: Reclaiming the Truth About Guns, Crime, and the Second Amendment by Richard Poe, David Horowitz ISBN: 0761525580 More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.) by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0226493644 --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Be Very careful as to which French people you want to bash Aron. Be very careful. I hope you meant that in a humerous way. Trust me, you don't want me showing up on your doorstep with a moose and some Canadian beer, eh? You couldn't handle either! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/9/2003 at 12:26 PM Aron Smith wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:44, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: How dare you question my right to have an opinion Oh, I'm not questioning your right to have an opinion. I am saying your opinion is stupid. That's because you're an idiot. I don't think that intelligence is any where evident in this thread. Cain'Can't we just get back to bashing the French? --LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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quoting Lyvim Xaphir; Wednesday 09 July 2003 11:10 am: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 08:59, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. Frankie is absolutely correct in what he is saying, the facts, figures and statistics are on HIS side and the only thing that's unintelligible and stupid is your knee jerk reaction; so *you* are the one that's out of line. You just should have just kept your mouth shut, especially since he was on the way out of the thread. Now you've got my attention and I will be here until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. --LX Not to disagree with anyone's opinion of the gun laws in their own country, but maybe Joe's message was an opinion on N/A's post? I couldn't figure out what the hell it was about either, and I read J.H.'s post as agreement and amplification of Frankie's statement. I've been wrong before though. Charlie -- Edmonton,AB,Canada Registered user 244963 at http://counter.li.org Mandrake 9.1 Bamboo (cooked) 12:38:47 up 21 days, 17:56, 1 user, load average: 0.08, 0.14, 0.14 It is better to have tried and failed than to have failed to try, but the result's the same. - Mike Dennison Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 14:01, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Strange - I thought this list is full of ultra-right-wing bullshit all the time. But maybe I am european biased as you may be american biased. To most of us, americans seem to have only a right-wing party and an ultra-right-wing party and they put the political center where most europeans see the ultra-right-wing end. Therefore both our perceptions may depend on our points of view and we will never find out if the list hangs to the right or the left. The socialism and communism in America originated on the European side of the world, and then attempted to migrate it's movement to the US side of the world shortly before the failure of the USSR. So it's not surprising to me to see that Europeans are primarily of one mind as you say regarding these issues; there is a multitude of reasons after all that we had an American revolution against European totalitarian rule. It was all that ultra-left-wing bullshit. Since that time it's amazing how weak these right wing ideas have made us. Yep, the US is practically on the edge of collapse. But we seem to generally agree that these discussions do not belong here but on some other list. That is true. It is btw. not my little URL but somebody elses who kindly set that mailing-list up so that OT discussions have a place to go and do not pollute the newbie list and frighten off some potential Mandrake customers - so I would be glad if you honoured the idea instead of belitteling it. I'm fully aware of who's URL it is since I was here well before he ever created the site and I was also here a long time before alot of peeps here joined this list. However, as I said, I won't stand by while leftists get their little comments in thinking that there will be no opposition because right thinking people are too shy to give it. That's how this dissent got started; a leftist comment, not a correct one. But I do agree in principle to what you are saying. It belongs on the OT list. I'll be glad to go there whenever they do. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 02:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please point me to some source for your figures, I would especially be interested in some 'socialistic' countries like sweden and finland compared to some where school-children can buy guns (probably only USA). School age children can not legally buy guns in the USA. Where did you get such drivel? -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:39, JoeHill wrote: On 09 Jul 2003 13:10:12 -0400 Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. You haven't got the brains, balls, or, apparently, the facts. As is usual with liberals, the reverse is true. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 03:19 pm, Aron Smith wrote: Righ Wing ,Left Wing did you ever see a bird that could fly on one wing? If it did it would fly around in ever decreseing circles untill.. it suffered from Recto-Crainial Inversion lol Thats truly rech Aron! -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 15:38:58 -0400 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: That's because you're an idiot. Whoa! Good comeback! Oh, that hurt! That must have taken you an hour to come up with. ROTFLMAO!! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 15:48:09 up 14 days, 21:29, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Lanman, I am aware he is not an Australian (my comment was distastefully sarcastic and fueled by anger), and his only comment was that my statement was: unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. he made no reference to Canada or Australia, just a comment on my Australian based opinion. He was correct at least about the last point (that it was OT). My belief is simple, if ALL guns could be removed, from everyone, no exceptions.. then I could maybe agree with banning. However, since that is totally imposible and probably dangerous in some instances, (like police, rural communities, defense forces etc), the honest citizens should not be punished by losing the right to defend themselves from the dishonest ones. I shudder at the thought of those 5 guys who broke into my house.. had they a gun, (who knows, they might have) they could have raped/bashed/killed my lady, and I would have been totally without recourse (at least no recouse that didn't involve getting shot).. that scared me badly. (and still does), terrifies's me in fact, I would at least wanted to have had a chance to do something. Lyvim, I do not dispute his right to an opinion, I dispute his right to disparage my opinion without some backup proof.. I do not know if I am right or left wing, I don't even know what the definations of each are, and quiet frankly I don't care, they are just words.. I am what I am and prefer not to be labelled at all. Put simply, in my opinion Mr Joe Hill should learn to judge me not, till he has walked a mile in my shoes. I have noticed that from my years on this list, that most heated discussions on this list have Joe at one end of them And to lighten things up, I will add: and if he walks a mile in my shoes.. he better start running cos I will want them back. :-) also, I have size 16 feet, so you could say that my shoes would be hard to fill. :-) Please guys, lets not persue this any further... since none of us are in a position to change anything, no purpose is served by discussing it further.. I am already sorry i posted. As I said before, lets just rejoice in the fact that we at least have linux as the common experiance of our lives. kindest regards Franki -Original Message- From: Lyvim Xaphir [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2003 1:10 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 08:59, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 18:56:16 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: anyway, that was all OT, no, unintelligible and stupid *and* OT. Frankie is absolutely correct in what he is saying, the facts, figures and statistics are on HIS side and the only thing that's unintelligible and stupid is your knee jerk reaction; so *you* are the one that's out of line. You just should have just kept your mouth shut, especially since he was on the way out of the thread. Now you've got my attention and I will be here until all the stupid left wing morons decide they've had enough. --LX -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 03:49 pm, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 03:19 pm, Aron Smith wrote: Righ Wing ,Left Wing did you ever see a bird that could fly on one wing? If it did it would fly around in ever decreseing circles untill.. it suffered from Recto-Crainial Inversion lol Thats truly rech Aron! Er, that was supposed to be rich :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Frankie; Thanks for the clarifications ( on many levels! ). Always nice to understand why everyone wants to kick the crap out of each other, instead of getting there in time to see the dust settle! I will say that Canadians - as a whole - have a reputation of being very passionate about our opinions, and obviously Joe is no exception! Eh? However, I have to agree with your opinion about guns. It would be nice if they could be eleminated, but you're right,...it's probably an impossible task. If only the police had guns, I could live with that, unless they started pointing them in my direction, that is! Having been in some Pickles a few times myself ( another long story), I can understand your sentiment. Myself, I've learned that most people have opinions, and many times they don't jive with mine, but since opinions are an expression of individuality, and since I couldn't stand it if everyone thought like me, I just let them have their say, and see if there's anything I can learn from them. There we go. Philosophy 101 according to the Lanman! But again, you hit the nail right on the head. Joe wasn't offering the right kind of opinion when he made his unintelligible and stupid remark. Sorry Joe, but you blew that one dude! Big Time! Now on to the important stuff! Size 16 shoes??? Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! I thought I had it bad at size 13!! Like my dad used to say - I guess that gives you a lot of understanding! This whole thread may be just a little OT (Nudge Nudge! Wink! Wink!), but almost all of us tend to slip and do it at one time or another, so don't lose any sleep over it. Happens to the best of us. I should know! Just one suggestion though,...if you're going to be sarcastic, try to make it a bit more obvious for us dense types, will ya?? Enhance your calm, and all will be well. Besides in a few days no one will remember this at all. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 12:09, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:37:55 -0400 Isaac Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: You can count this American as one who is both annoyed with the right-wing list and with the right-wing country. The environment on this mailing list is the reason I began switching to Debian a while ago. Even Red Hat lists weren't as dominated by defensive insecure longwinded neocons. I switched to Mandrake from RH because of the RH community, and every time I get back on this list for some help I never go more than a month before reinstalling a dual-boot of Debian to get myself in that direction again. This is great software, but I can't stand the mean-spirited angst-ridden insecure defensive right wing community. You carry yourselves like children and it is embarassing to even watch. If all the rahrah flagwavers on here are foaming at the mouth whenever they hear a non-right perspective, why are they running *French* software? Last time I checked the French were right between Syria and Cuba on the list of future targets. I just don't get it, but I do know that the extent to which off-topic disrespectful and inarticulate threads dominate this list makes me spend more and more time each day learning Debian instead of L-M. That is really sad. Well, you could try to do what I do, and make it fun. They really are harmless, mostly, and if you get them going enough they either go away of their own accord *or* if you get sick of it, just filter them out, again as I do. http://mailfilter.sourceforge.net Now let's just end this. I promise not to reply to Frankie or Lirthxm Xjythrm (wasn't that Superman's arch enemy?) anymore, unless they get their sorry asses over to the offtopic list. Who's with me? Works for me (Never mud wrestle with a pig.. you get dirty and the pig enjoys it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I have moments of lucidity sometimes.. :-) moreover, I believe that no matter how different our opinions are, that we should conduct ourselves an a calm, tolerant and educated manner.. I failed at that abit when joe personally attacked my opinion with no basis in fact and no need of making it personal.. but I still managed to end all my emails with kindest regards :-) anyway... my apologies to all for what I inadvertently started.. kindest regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Ronald J. Hall Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2003 2:29 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wednesday 09 July 2003 01:46 pm, Frankie wrote: snip As I said before, lets just rejoice in the fact that we at least have linux as the common experiance of our lives. kindest regards Franki That was very well stated Franki! :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 02:19 pm, Frankie wrote: :-) fair enough, lets call that your opinion Out of curiosity,,, what would you have done had 5 people broken into your house at night, and say for arguements sake they were armed, and they seemed ready to bash/rape/kill your wife/daughter/mother ??? would you have preached to them about handing their guns in??? or perhaps asked them to wait till the cops arrived before doing anything?? I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing harm...I've got a gunwould you rather have me intervene, using my legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because of your views/feelings about guns??? :-) -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 14:46:13 -0400 Lanman [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Sorry Joe, but you blew that one dude! Big Time! A, me so hurt. Waitaminnit. I don't give a rat's ass what anyone thinks. Phew, scared me there for a nanosecond. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:11:02 up 14 days, 21:52, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:02:57 -0400 MWafkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: A book by Tammy Bruce... heh, heh that about says it all. Is she as stupid as the Hilary wanabe Coulter or whatever her name is...you know thewriter. Ya, and I think I dealt with the Mr Lott issue already. He's so far up the ass of the corporate goons who run America, he smells like a fart and has about the same writing style. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:13:24 up 14 days, 21:54, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 12:41:44 -0600 Charlie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I couldn't figure out what the hell it was about either, and I read J.H.'s post as agreement and amplification of Frankie's statement. Uh, no. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:19:21 up 14 days, 22:00, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 12:38, Lanman wrote: Be Very careful as to which French people you want to bash Aron. Be very careful. I hope you meant that in a humerous way. Trust me, you don't want me showing up on your doorstep with a moose and some Canadian beer, eh? You couldn't handle either! Brin on yer beer i'll go to the local pub and go into training right now as for the Moose you haven't seen my ex-wife. Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/9/2003 at 12:26 PM Aron Smith wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:03, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:44, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: How dare you question my right to have an opinion Oh, I'm not questioning your right to have an opinion. I am saying your opinion is stupid. That's because you're an idiot. I don't think that intelligence is any where evident in this thread. Cain'Can't we just get back to bashing the French? --LX Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 19:19, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you spread your right-wing opinion on the OT list and NOT here? http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot bones Sure, as long as the left wing morons keep their mouth shut, and they use your little URL also. But if they open their mouths here don't expect them to have the same free totalitarian tyrannical license of public address that they always have had either here or on the liberally-biased networks before Fox news hit the scene. I'm not going to put up with the same old stupid idiotic left wing crap anymore and neither is anybody else. --LX Strange - I thought this list is full of ultra-right-wing bullshit all the time. But maybe I am european biased as you may be american biased. To most of us, americans seem to have only a right-wing party and an ultra-right-wing party and they put the political center where most europeans see the ultra-right-wing end. Therefore both our perceptions may depend on our points of view and we will never find out if the list hangs to the right or the left. But we seem to generally agree that these discussions do not belong here but on some other list. It is btw. not my little URL but somebody elses who kindly set that mailing-list up so that OT discussions have a place to go and do not pollute the newbie list and frighten off some potential Mandrake customers - so I would be glad if you honoured the idea instead of belitteling it. b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 12:49, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 03:19 pm, Aron Smith wrote: Righ Wing ,Left Wing did you ever see a bird that could fly on one wing? If it did it would fly around in ever decreseing circles untill.. it suffered from Recto-Crainial Inversion lol Thats truly rech Aron! Yeh buddy kinda reminds me of this thread. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 21:46, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 02:39 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please point me to some source for your figures, I would especially be interested in some 'socialistic' countries like sweden and finland compared to some where school-children can buy guns (probably only USA). School age children can not legally buy guns in the USA. Where did you get such drivel? Just exagerating, I meant: weak to non-existing gun-restriction laws, which make it easier for anyone to buy a gun. b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:14, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:02:57 -0400 MWafkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: A book by Tammy Bruce... heh, heh that about says it all. Is she as stupid as the Hilary wanabe Coulter or whatever her name is...you know thewriter. Ya, and I think I dealt with the Mr Lott issue already. He's so far up the ass of the corporate goons who run America, he smells like a fart and has about the same writing style. Look guys i know that bashing America is fun but the system works. Know of any other country that People are dieing to get in? Where Plumbers take their families to Europe on vacation? As for the crack about Corporate America Let me ask you a Question Have you ever gotten a pay check from a Poor Man? As for Anne Coulter her book is out selling Hillary's Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Now, now you seem unable to keep it to yourself... Well then He's probably on his way out of the thread, so I'll try to paraphrase what he was saying; subject to his correction. Basically he's upset because Australian law forces outlawed the law abiding people in AU from being able to own firearms, while the criminals are still able to bring them into the country (which they were always able to do anyway since they *don't* and never did abide by the law). Therefore now the honest people are disarmed and the criminals are running around with weapons. Which means that the honest people cannot defend themselves. Therefore there has been an increase in the crime rate; not just there but in any country that implements this practice, which happens to be a fine example of socialistic ideology. You got me interested, to my humble knowledge USA has some 12'000 gun-related deaths per year whereas all other countries have 1000 regardless of their size. _Especially_ the more 'socialistic' countries (Germany has some ~380/year AFAIK). Please point me to some source for your figures, I would especially be interested in some 'socialistic' countries like sweden and finland compared to some where school-children can buy guns (probably only USA). The best book you can read on the subject is the following: The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0895261146 Which is a book that examines hard statistics from countries that have taken weapons out of the hands of the law abiding citizens. You can pick it up on Amazon used for about 18 bucks. --LX Well then what does it say about Finland/Sweden/Germany compared to USA? Anything interesting? b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On 09 Jul 2003 13:38:38 -0700 Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Look guys i know that bashing America is fun but the system works. Know of any other country that People are dieing to get in? Where Plumbers take their families to Europe on vacation? As for the crack about Corporate America Let me ask you a Question Have you ever gotten a pay check from a Poor Man? As for Anne Coulter her book is out selling Hillary's ok, partly my fault, but seriously, let's just quit this, move over to OT, ok? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:45:31 up 14 days, 22:26, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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But I do agree in principle to what you are saying. It belongs on the OT list. I'll be glad to go there whenever they do. --LX Instead of posting an answer to this mail to newbie here, I just send it to OT then... cu b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:52:53 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing harm...I've got a gunwould you rather have me intervene, using my legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because of your views/feelings about guns??? ah, yes, the ancient art of fear-mongering, the specialty of the clueless and uneducated, also Nazis, Tyrants, Warmongers, etc. did you know that it is 10 times more likely for you to be killed by a relative or friend than a bunch of crazy thugs? No. I thought not. Did you know that the incidence of random or home invasion killings/rapes/robberies has been on the decline in Canada for over a decade thanks to the police not having to worry about everybody and their dog not having a handgun? No. I thought not. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? Filtered. I don't have time for ignorance and silly games anymore. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:22:37 up 14 days, 22:03, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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lol, your totally blind ignorance is a crack-up Joe. And I an glad you filtered me, it means I get the last word :-) I grew up on a farm.. a ten thousand acre cattle property.. I have known how to use guns all my life, it was a necessary part of the life. I do not think just handing out pistols is the answer. Education about how to use them would and should be vital.. But since you know all the answers dude, answer the damn question.. WHAT WOULD YOU DO IN THAT SITUATION??? If all five had guns, then no, I don't think I could stop them all, but I'd die trying, I could not live with myself if I didn't and my family paid for my impotence, heck I would try even if I had no gun.. the difference is I really would have no chance. If only one or two had guns, then yes, I could stop them.. because I am educated with guns and although I get no joy from them.. I know what I am doing, and I would have absolutely no compunction about using one if my family was threatened. Where as you would stand around with your dick in one hand and one of their dicks in the other. Could you live with the fact that you never tried to do anything about it??? I find myself wanting to say that for the sake of your ignorance, that I hope such a thing does happen to your family, so you can stand by impotently and watch, thereby learning the folly of your ways. but I don't wish that on anyone.. even a loser like yourself. You should be a politician Joe, you have the same high moral standards shared with politicians the world over where it is easy to make righteous judgements with the moral high ground when its someone else's family on the line... I pray for your sake you don't learn otherwise. but if you want to.. there are cities you can move to that will educate you. Sometimes dude, reality has to play a part in your decisions... sadly that does not appear to be the case on your part. point 1. Heavy drugs have been illegal pretty much everywhere for a long time.. has any country totally wiped out their import and use?? point 2. using point 1 as a reference, we can assume they will have no better luck with guns.. so criminals will always be armed. what do you do??? I will agree with you totally, if you can provide me with one single method where I can defend my family from armed thugs that doesn't involve them (or me) getting killed... Since you simply cannot provide an answer to that.. why not agree that you are argueing from moral highground and not reality? kindest regards, Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Ok, so *you* with *one* gun would have prevented that? Really? Did you know that statistically it would be more likely they would take the gun away from you and use it against you? Thought not. Discussion over. Yer Filtered. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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I am not gonna quote anyone here, but I just gotta say a few things, I am a proud liberatarian, or almost liberatarian at least, and I just wanna point out that right wing nor left wing politics (The left-right scale is obsolete in my wiew btw) is socialistisc by heart in the sense that both sides wants to control and decide up on peoples lives, it makes me sick. Liberalism is the only ideology that keeps the common free. I don't like totalitarian ideologies like leftwing and rightwing ideology is. /Anders Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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A book by Tammy Bruce... heh, heh that about says it all. Is she as stupid as the Hilary wanabe Coulter or whatever her name is...you know the writer. Sheet! MRW - Original Message - From: Lyvim Xaphir [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 3:00 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:47, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Ok, so *you* with *one* gun would have prevented that? Really? Did you know that statistically it would be more likely they would take the gun away from you and use it against you? Thought not. Ever read a book? Thought not. You're a spout for liberal lies and bullshit, a mushroom in a black room, reiterating what you hear without any literary verification. Not that this will do any good for somebody like you, but here: The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce ISBN: 0761516638 The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0895261146 The Seven Myths of Gun Control: Reclaiming the Truth About Guns, Crime, and the Second Amendment by Richard Poe, David Horowitz ISBN: 0761525580 More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.) by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0226493644 -- Kernel 2.4.21-0.13mdk Linux Mandrake 9.1 Enlightenment-0.16.5-12mdk Evolution 1.2.4-1.1mdk Linux User #268899 http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:37, Isaac Curtis wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 14:01, you wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 19:19, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you spread your right-wing opinion on the OT list and NOT here? http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot bones Sure, as long as the left wing morons keep their mouth shut, and they use your little URL also. But if they open their mouths here don't expect them to have the same free totalitarian tyrannical license of public address that they always have had either here or on the liberally-biased networks before Fox news hit the scene. I'm not going to put up with the same old stupid idiotic left wing crap anymore and neither is anybody else. --LX Strange - I thought this list is full of ultra-right-wing bullshit all the time. But maybe I am european biased as you may be american biased. To most of us, americans seem to have only a right-wing party and an ultra-right-wing party and they put the political center where most europeans see the ultra-right-wing end. Therefore both our perceptions may depend on our points of view and we will never find out if the list hangs to the right or the left. But we seem to generally agree that these discussions do not belong here but on some other list. It is btw. not my little URL but somebody elses who kindly set that mailing-list up so that OT discussions have a place to go and do not pollute the newbie list and frighten off some potential Mandrake customers - so I would be glad if you honoured the idea instead of belitteling it. b. You can count this American as one who is both annoyed with the right-wing list and with the right-wing country. The environment on this mailing list is the reason I began switching to Debian a while ago. Even Red Hat lists weren't as dominated by defensive insecure longwinded neocons. I switched to Mandrake from RH because of the RH community, and every time I get back on this list for some help I never go more than a month before reinstalling a dual-boot of Debian to get myself in that direction again. This is great software, but I can't stand the mean-spirited angst-ridden insecure defensive right wing community. You carry yourselves like children and it is embarassing to even watch. If all the rahrah flagwavers on here are foaming at the mouth whenever they hear a non-right perspective, why are they running *French* software? Last time I checked the French were right between Syria and Cuba on the list of future targets. I just don't get it, but I do know that the extent to which off-topic disrespectful and inarticulate threads dominate this list makes me spend more and more time each day learning Debian instead of L-M. That is really sad. Isaac Righ Wing ,Left Wing did you ever see a bird that could fly on one wing? If it did it would fly around in ever decreseing circles untill.. it suffered from Recto-Crainial Inversion Honestly, I'm against this government I ain't gonna cover it up, that's what I meant - stic.man of Dead Prez, Get Up (w/ the Coup) __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Arron, don't tell me you are an ass as well.. I have tried hard not to lower myself to Joe's (and now yours apparently) level by name calling and insults.. I would expect the same curtesy from others as well, agree or disagree.. The worse thing you can do for a cause you believe in, is to prove yourself an ineffectual ignoramus by resorting to unnecessary name calling. also, its just not nice and really doesn't achieve anything.. rgds Franki -- their sorry asses over to the offtopic list. Who's with me? Works for me (Never mud wrestle with a pig.. you get dirty and the pig enjoys it) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 02:25 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 14:27:05 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Thats incorrect. Its a (very) proven fact that firearms prevent more crimes than they are used in/cause. don't get yourself filtered, DL... JK! if you were to post these proven facts over on the OT list, however, I would be verry interested to see them, as they do not exist. Joe, if you feel the need to filter me, that is your right and choice. Lyvim has already posted (twice even) URLs to various resources that prove what we are saying. Check this one out though: http://www.tincher.to/myths.htm I agree with everyone though - this really needs to be OT. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Didn't have a chance to start filter yet. On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 03:00:44PM -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:47, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Ok, so *you* with *one* gun would have prevented that? Really? Did you know that statistically it would be more likely they would take the gun away from you and use it against you? Thought not. Ever read a book? Thought not. You're a spout for liberal lies and bullshit, a mushroom in a black room, reiterating what you hear without any literary verification. Not that this will do any good for somebody like you, but here: Literary: adj. Of, relating to, or dealing with literature Literature: n.1. The body of written works of a language, period, or culture. 2. Imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value: Literature must be an analysis of experience and a synthesis of the findings into a unity (Rebecca West). 3. The art or occupation of a literary writer. 4. The body of written work produced by scholars or researchers in a given field: medical literature. There is scientific literature or research in given fields, but I don't think you really want to say literary verification here as literary conveys more a sense of imaginative or creative as in a work of *fiction*, which only lends more humor to your rantings. I have never seen such inappropriate language in an off-topic post, so I'll address you as you see fit to address others. Get a clue you stupid fuck. The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce ISBN: 0761516638 The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0895261146 The Seven Myths of Gun Control: Reclaiming the Truth About Guns, Crime, and the Second Amendment by Richard Poe, David Horowitz ISBN: 0761525580 More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.) by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0226493644 Yes, I'll be sure to rush right out and get these books. They really do look like unbiased treatments of this important issue! This is the thing that annoys me about you fascists, you drink your own propoganda and hurl insults at those who would dare to question it. Somebody who disagrees is stupid--he or she hasn't read your approved literature; you label anybody who is against you a traitor. In trying to fight for what you think is the American way, you would send us back to a time before the Bill of Rights. I'm not talking about guns here. I'm talking about the way you choose to communicate. It's people like you who give gun rights advocates a bad name. You haven't the first fucking clue about civil discourse. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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if you were to post these proven facts over on the OT list, however, I would be verry interested to see them, as they do not exist. I probably he put the stress on on the OT list Joe, if you feel the need to filter me, that is your right and choice. Lyvim has already posted (twice even) URLs to various resources that prove what we are saying. Check this one out though: http://www.tincher.to/myths.htm I agree with everyone though - this really needs to be OT. Is it alright if I answer you there, your URL is just too beyond not to answer. b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Thanks lanman, Nice to know that at least one person in Canada has an open mind and the ability to respond intelligently without resorting to name calling.. (up till now the only people I know from Canada were Celene Dion, and Shania Twain, and i don't know either of them personally.) (I also don't know how they respond to email. :-) I like to think that apart from my inital response to Joe's message I have maintained my decorum and dignity... at least better them most others that have posted. Incidently, I have joined the OT list in the hope that someone can tell me how I can protect my family from armed intruders without being armed myself kindest regards Franki -Original Message- [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Lanman Frankie; Thanks for the clarifications ( on many levels! ). Always nice to understand why everyone wants to kick the crap out of each other, instead of getting there in time to see the dust settle! I will say that Canadians - as a whole - have a reputation of being very passionate about our opinions, and obviously Joe is no exception! Eh? However, I have to agree with your opinion about guns. It would be nice if they could be eleminated, but you're right,...it's probably an impossible task. If only the police had guns, I could live with that, unless they started pointing them in my direction, that is! Having been in some Pickles a few times myself ( another long story), I can understand your sentiment. Myself, I've learned that most people have opinions, and many times they don't jive with mine, but since opinions are an expression of individuality, and since I couldn't stand it if everyone thought like me, I just let them have their say, and see if there's anything I can learn from them. There we go. Philosophy 101 according to the Lanman! But again, you hit the nail right on the head. Joe wasn't offering the right kind of opinion when he made his unintelligible and stupid remark. Sorry Joe, but you blew that one dude! Big Time! Now on to the important stuff! Size 16 shoes??? Holy [EMAIL PROTECTED] !! I thought I had it bad at size 13!! Like my dad used to say - I guess that gives you a lot of understanding! This whole thread may be just a little OT (Nudge Nudge! Wink! Wink!), but almost all of us tend to slip and do it at one time or another, so don't lose any sleep over it. Happens to the best of us. I should know! Just one suggestion though,...if you're going to be sarcastic, try to make it a bit more obvious for us dense types, will ya?? Enhance your calm, and all will be well. Besides in a few days no one will remember this at all. Lanman Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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As an American I'm not bashing America, but amerika, also known as the Bush/Reagan/Nixon administrations Of course her book is outselling Hilary's. It's a trash talking piece of shit geared to the lowest common denominator of stupid and uninformed amerikan neo-rednecks. Duh. Fox News is #1 ratings wise too...so is reality tv. what's your point. That grotesque turd on the radio is still popular, no? Reality is, tho, Hilary wields more power in her pinky than coulter does in her entire grotesque being. Makes her crazy! But I guess her being a writer is a step up from her former job as a lap dancer for ugly old white men. MRW - Original Message - From: Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:14, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:02:57 -0400 MWafkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: A book by Tammy Bruce... heh, heh that about says it all. Is she as stupid as the Hilary wanabe Coulter or whatever her name is...you know thewriter. Ya, and I think I dealt with the Mr Lott issue already. He's so far up the ass of the corporate goons who run America, he smells like a fart and has about the same writing style. Look guys i know that bashing America is fun but the system works. Know of any other country that People are dieing to get in? Where Plumbers take their families to Europe on vacation? As for the crack about Corporate America Let me ask you a Question Have you ever gotten a pay check from a Poor Man? As for Anne Coulter her book is out selling Hillary's Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:52:53 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing harm...I've got a gunwould you rather have me intervene, using my legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because of your views/feelings about guns??? Ok, now I am serious. Take this to the OT list, or you get filtered. Right fuckin now. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:17:47 up 14 days, 21:58, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:56:50 -0400 MWafkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: P.S. - Fox and news is an oxymoron Heh. Heh heh. Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha, aaah ha aha ha ha ha ha! Well done. Hey! There's more of us than you think, you've been reading too many USA Today Polls! -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:08:25 up 14 days, 21:49, 4 users, load average: 0.04, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 20:56, Frankie wrote: Stephen Honest people are not permitted to own guns.. Well, you CAN own a gun if you register and pass the certs and all - but mostly people don't bother. Almost seems as though it's too much work to own a gun and keep it locked up and whatnot...(still pisses me off that I can't have a wrist-rocket like I did in Kentucky, tho) The crims didn't have to hand in their guns and stuff cos they were not registed in the first place.. Yeah, well, that's everywhere. ahhh. I sometimes think you yanks are the only democracy that has some semblance of freedom left, the rest of us are free to the extent that we don't step out of the boundary's of the thousands of laws created by the pollies in the hopes that some of them may be popular. Dunno - I feel hellu safer here than I ever did back in the US...and I reckon that in a four year span, I'da been picked up or arrested at least twice by now...and ain't even come close to that here. anyway, that was all OT, so I will finish by saying that page was very cool. Ta. -- Thu Jul 10 07:25:00 EST 2003 07:25:00 up 3 days, 8:57, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.17, 0.11 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * All bastards are bastards, but some bastards is *bastards*. (The Last Continent) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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-Original Message- From: Todd Slater [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS Didn't have a chance to start filter yet. On Wed, Jul 09, 2003 at 03:00:44PM -0400, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:47, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 22:57:14 +0800 Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Ok, so *you* with *one* gun would have prevented that? Really? Did you know that statistically it would be more likely they would take the gun away from you and use it against you? Thought not. Ever read a book? Thought not. You're a spout for liberal lies and bullshit, a mushroom in a black room, reiterating what you hear without any literary verification. Not that this will do any good for somebody like you, but here: Literary: adj. Of, relating to, or dealing with literature Literature: n.1. The body of written works of a language, period, or culture. 2. Imaginative or creative writing, especially of recognized artistic value: Literature must be an analysis of experience and a synthesis of the findings into a unity (Rebecca West). 3. The art or occupation of a literary writer. 4. The body of written work produced by scholars or researchers in a given field: medical literature. There is scientific literature or research in given fields, but I don't think you really want to say literary verification here as literary conveys more a sense of imaginative or creative as in a work of *fiction*, which only lends more humor to your rantings. I have never seen such inappropriate language in an off-topic post, so I'll address you as you see fit to address others. Get a clue you stupid fuck. The Death of Right and Wrong: Exposing the Left's Assault on Our Culture and Values by Tammy Bruce ISBN: 0761516638 The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0895261146 The Seven Myths of Gun Control: Reclaiming the Truth About Guns, Crime, and the Second Amendment by Richard Poe, David Horowitz ISBN: 0761525580 More Guns, Less Crime: Understanding Crime and Gun-Control Laws (Studies in Law and Economics (Chicago, Ill.) by John R., Jr. Lott ISBN: 0226493644 Yes, I'll be sure to rush right out and get these books. They really do look like unbiased treatments of this important issue! This is the thing that annoys me about you fascists, you drink your own propoganda and hurl insults at those who would dare to question it. Somebody who disagrees is stupid--he or she hasn't read your approved literature; you label anybody who is against you a traitor. In trying to fight for what you think is the American way, you would send us back to a time before the Bill of Rights. I'm not talking about guns here. I'm talking about the way you choose to communicate. It's people like you who give gun rights advocates a bad name. You haven't the first fucking clue about civil discourse. Unfortunately, my idea of gun control is hitting what I aim at! ;) I grew up with guns. My dad taught me how to hunt, three simple rules that I have never forgotten: 1.) Don't aim at something, unless you intend to shoot it. 2.) Don't shoot anything, unless you intend to kill it. 3.) Don't kill anything, unless you intend to eat it. I learned those when I was 6. I wish more people would teach the children such rules. ;) Jonathan G. Shilling Senior LAN Administrator Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:38:13 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Does that make the research upon which Lott bases his opinions any less true Yes. How exactly does this conspiracy work? Did he influence the research upon which his works are based? -- Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] "All truth passes through three stages. First, it is ridiculed. Second, it is violently opposed. Third, it is accepted as being self-evident." -Arthur Schopenhauer (1788-1860)
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 20:37, Isaac Curtis wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 14:01, you wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 19:19, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you spread your right-wing opinion on the OT list and NOT here? http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot bones Sure, as long as the left wing morons keep their mouth shut, and they use your little URL also. But if they open their mouths here don't expect them to have the same free totalitarian tyrannical license of public address that they always have had either here or on the liberally-biased networks before Fox news hit the scene. I'm not going to put up with the same old stupid idiotic left wing crap anymore and neither is anybody else. --LX Strange - I thought this list is full of ultra-right-wing bullshit all the time. But maybe I am european biased as you may be american biased. To most of us, americans seem to have only a right-wing party and an ultra-right-wing party and they put the political center where most europeans see the ultra-right-wing end. Therefore both our perceptions may depend on our points of view and we will never find out if the list hangs to the right or the left. But we seem to generally agree that these discussions do not belong here but on some other list. It is btw. not my little URL but somebody elses who kindly set that mailing-list up so that OT discussions have a place to go and do not pollute the newbie list and frighten off some potential Mandrake customers - so I would be glad if you honoured the idea instead of belitteling it. b. You can count this American as one who is both annoyed with the right-wing list and with the right-wing country. The environment on this mailing list is the reason I began switching to Debian a while ago. Even Red Hat lists weren't as dominated by defensive insecure longwinded neocons. I switched to Mandrake from RH because of the RH community, and every time I get back on this list for some help I never go more than a month before reinstalling a dual-boot of Debian to get myself in that direction again. This is great software, but I can't stand the mean-spirited angst-ridden insecure defensive right wing community. You carry yourselves like children and it is embarassing to even watch. If all the rahrah flagwavers on here are foaming at the mouth whenever they hear a non-right perspective, why are they running *French* software? Last time I checked the French were right between Syria and Cuba on the list of future targets. I just don't get it, but I do know that the extent to which off-topic disrespectful and inarticulate threads dominate this list makes me spend more and more time each day learning Debian instead of L-M. That is really sad. Isaac I completely agree. Mandrake is a good distribution going through hard times and the right-wing stance on this list does anything but help get new customers. Sometimes like with this gun-discussion it's just too beyond, and when they start throwing around books of racists, I cannot but wonder how many like you are driven away. I feel the urge to Debian too... But this is not the fault of Mandrake, it's just this list. Btw. aren't the important guys like RMS lefitsts? Thorwals certainly comes from a leftist-'socialistc bullshit' country and has said (quoting from memory here - from just for fun that 'in a country like finland where social security is good, giving away linux for Free was just the natural thing to do...') But to take your idea of right-wing-inconsistency as why they use a french distribution to the extreme: Aren't right-wingers supposed to be using M$ and support the true capitalistic way instead of some Linux-community-communistic ideal of everyones for everybody? b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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At 02:46 PM 7/9/2003 -0400, you wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 20:39:30 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: The Bias Against Guns: Why Almost Everything You've Heard About Gun Control Is Wrong by John R., Jr. Lott Now take it to the OT list or get lost. -- Joehill agreed... its ruining my morning tea to watch this flame fest continue. - FemmeFatale, aka The Skirt Good Decisions Your boss Made: We'll do as you suggest and go with Linux. I've always liked that character from Peanuts. - Source: Dilbert Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:38:13 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Does that make the research upon which Lott bases his opinions any less true Yes. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 17:41:01 up 14 days, 23:22, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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lol The aussies (your place of birth notwithstanding Stephen) are the cause of this whole thing since I posted what was sposed to be a semi humourous reply to your gun comment... I have been on this list for several years now and this is the first flame war I have started hopefully my last in retrospect.. rgds Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Stephen Kuhn Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2003 5:48 AM To: Mandrake Newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS Ok - to repost the original: http://thor.prohosting.com/~kilgoret/mandrake/ I reckon I was the one that started to push it off topic by making the comment about Aussies not having guns - my bad. I shoulda known this would veer offcourse uncontrollably and cause much dissension, angst and anxiety. -- Thu Jul 10 07:40:01 EST 2003 07:40:01 up 3 days, 9:12, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.08 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 10.1 RH 9.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.7.25-19mdk Cooker for i786 - * This message was composed on a 110% Microsoft free computer * There has been an alarming increase in the number of things you know nothing about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 2003-07-10 at 08:26, Frankie wrote: lol The aussies (your place of birth notwithstanding Stephen) are the cause of this whole thing since I posted what was sposed to be a semi humourous reply to your gun comment... I have been on this list for several years now and this is the first flame war I have started hopefully my last in retrospect.. rgds Franki Yeah, but I shoulda known not to play it out in the first place... -- Thu Jul 10 09:05:00 EST 2003 09:05:00 up 3 days, 10:37, 3 users, load average: 0.04, 0.03, 0.00 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 9.1 RH 7.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.4.21-11mdk Cooker for i586 - * This message was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer * All the passions make us commit faults; love makes us commit the most ridiculous ones. -- La Rochefoucauld Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday July 9 2003 12:46 pm, Frankie wrote: Lyvim, I do not dispute his right to an opinion, I dispute his right to disparage my opinion without some backup proof.. There is no proof for opinions, an our individual experiences are various. Now will y'all just let this die? all this OT spoutin off by both sides. Take it to the Mandrake OT list where it belongs -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Ok, the discussion seems to be in full bloom here, so I don't hold back... On Wednesday 09 July 2003 23:15, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:52:53 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing harm...I've got a gunwould you rather have me intervene, using my legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because of your views/feelings about guns??? ah, yes, the ancient art of fear-mongering, the specialty of the clueless and uneducated, also Nazis, Tyrants, Warmongers, etc. The Nazis banned guns as soon as they could to keep the citizenry from fighting back when they screwed them. The nazis were right-wing. (has nothing to do with your point, but I just wanted to say it) did you know that it is 10 times more likely for you to be killed by a relative or friend than a bunch of crazy thugs? No. I thought not. Did you know that the incidence of random or home invasion killings/rapes/robberies has been on the decline in Canada for over a decade thanks to the police not having to worry about everybody and their dog not having a handgun? No. I thought not. That's not even remotely true. Home invasion has gone up considerably, as has violent crimes, and armed robberies, in every country that has implemented a total ban on guns. PLEASE, show some prove for your statements. Please show me some URLs (not some right-wing books that are not worth my money, or at least some quotes and statistics from the books, because I will not buy them to look it up). Show me that firearms prevent more crimes than they are used in/cause as you said it. Tell my why america has some 12000 gun-related deaths (quoting from memory) [although in: http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/new/guns97.pdf there is 34'000 to 39'000 gun-related deaths each year. (measured 1993-1996)] while others like Germany with more strict gun-controls have 400? It's quite a difference. In USA 14 people per 100'000 die per year involving firearms. That is only superceded by Jamaika and Brasil. (Germany has 1.4 [that is 10% of US of A rate], Greece 1.87, Japan 0.07.) source: United Nations International Study on Firearm Regulation http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/firearms/index.htm The report: http://www.uncjin.org/Documents/6comm/4e.pdf Some URL like that maybe? Not some racists book... Use your brain. There is a reason people don't go up and mess with Pit Bulls an such powerful animals. They don't want to get hurt. The reason why these dogs get outlawed here is exactly the same as why guns are restricted: _look_ at them. I don't want those fucked up people who own a Pit Bull have one. As I don't want those brain-dead alcoholic gun-crazy redneck to have one. In fact I am more afraid of these than all robbers and criminals at all. The more guns, the more they will be used, the more will die. Simple and easy. Criminals are generally cowards, but they are not neccesarily stupid. They would much rather try to rob, rape or kill someone who they know is unable to defend themselves than someone they either know, or suspect, might be armed and capable of putting them in a large pine box. Watch too much TV lately? b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday July 9 2003 04:45 pm, Brant Fitzsimmons wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: Take it to the Mandrake OT list where it belongs Where do you sign up for the OT list? http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot It was begun sometime ago by Mark Weaver to give us a place to take OT BS to rather than burden this list with drivel. It's interesting tho, check it out ;) We're startin to get more members, so to sort things out I'd suggest a brief introduction of yourself. Mostly just where you live -- Tom Brinkman Corpus Christi, Texas Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 10:57 am, Frankie wrote: lol, well each of us is entitled to their own opinion, usually even without it being deemed by some as unintelligible and stupid. Since you saw fit to pass judgement on me, and the fact that you couldn't' possibly be so full of shit as to pass judgement on statements about a country you don't live in, I'll assume you are an Australian then Where in AU might I ask?? Did you know, and I am sure this will shock you.. that they discovered some 5 years after the gun ban came into effect here.. that there are altogether too many guns in Australia?? and that they also discovered that they were being brought into the country by shady characters who didn't hand them in. How dare you question my right to have an opinion (especially one that would appear to differ greatly from your obviously highbrow and intellectual beliefs). Apparently that very thing (the right to have opinions) is all that is left of what is called freedom and I exercise it at every opportunity. My surprise is that someone of your intelligence (though in retrospect lack thereof might be more appropriate.) would simply deem to declare judgement on something without actually knowing anything of the reasons behind it, or the circumstances in the country it was made from. ### I work up some time last year, at about 3.30 in the morning, to discover 5 strange men in my house, in fact they were in front of the door my girlfriend was sleeping behind. I am sure my girlfriend would have been in agreeance with you had she been bashed and gang raped by 5 men... Luckily they did not see me, so I was able to call the cops, and then make so much noise that they all bailed and ran.. so I never found out if they were armed or not.. I am profoundly happy for that, because if they had been, I would have been completely helpless to do anything about it.. FYI, The cops appeared on the scene some 40 odd minutes later.. just in time to disinterestedly take our statements. ### And in the Australian capital of break-ins and burglaries, (Perth, Western Australia) all I have to do is watch the news each night to see the old folk being bashed in their own homes, people being stabbed and shot in their own houses to have that opinion of mine that is so unintelligible and stupid reinforced. So you can take your judgemental statements and jam them where the sun don't shine for it is you who has been painted unintelligible and stupid. I am an Australian, I am free (apparently) and I have opinions, You MR Joe Hill can go right to hell. (or China, I've heard it said that people such as yourself do well there, and you'd get the added benefit of being able to punish the people that don't believe as you do) kindest regards Franki You folks are silly!! The whole thing is so simple!! You are overlooking the obvious!! Surly you live in a civilized nation, just because someone may be a criminal does not mean that he or she does not have manors. Just throw away those guns and just rely on social skills. If someone should be breaking into your home, robbing your place of business raping your wife or girlfriend etc. just calmly approach him and say to him or her could you please stop that while I call 911. After the criminal sees that you approached him or in a friendly mannor and spoke politely he will be glad to cooperate with your request. While you and the alleged criminal wait for the police to arrive offer the criminal a cup of coffee or a cold beer and maybe a nice sandwich that way the criminal will not mind the minor delay in his or her busy day. You see when you live in a civilized society such as the one we have today you simply have no worries at all. This year will go down in history. For the first time a civilized nation has full gun registration. Our streets will be safer, our police more efficient and the world will follow our lead into the future! Adolf Hitler, 1935 Marc Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 00:30:44 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: But to take your idea of right-wing-inconsistency as why they use a french distribution to the extreme: Aren't right-wingers supposed to be using M$ and support the true capitalistic way instead of some Linux-community-communistic ideal of everyones for everybody? I would like to know the answer to that too. Just what the hell do they think they're dealing with anyway? We should start selling T-Shirts that say What would Linus do? -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 18:27:58 up 15 days, 9 min, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Let's see where you got your statistics from Joe. I'm in Montreal and we still have guns owned illegally, and motorcycle gangs that are in more control than the politicians, and crazy idiots shooting and killing women on school campuses here. Are you saying that Toronto has less? I can tell you about the police in Vancouver who are terrified - TERRIFIED - mind you, about enforcing the law in China Town because the Triads and the Tong based there have huge arsenals underground, and are constantly killing each other. And I have friends and relatives on the Police Force in Toronto, and at the RCMP Academy in Regina who could dispute your logic with reams of cases and imperical evidence. Not books written by people who attempt to express their own personal opinions, but actual facts held by the only people who know better than you or I . Next Fact according to Joe? Gee do you think Canadians can defend their borders or their country? If it came to that, do you think we'd last a week? As of 1967 we were capable of defending Canada for one day! One whole day! The US would have to help us, and they're getting pissed at our lack of survellance on our borders on the west coast. They've even stated that if we don't stop the drug trafficking across the border, that they'll do it for us. Think we can stop them from invading our borders? Big Bad Joe gonna stand in their way and yell - STOP! ??That'll play for about 2 seconds, until an American soldier points his M-16 at your head and makes Joe a memory! What do you think we'll be able to do to stop the US government from coming in? I know, we'll get them drunk, eh? That's what your attitude and ignorance is leading to fellow Canuck! Way to go! I know, we'll send them to Toronto hoping they'll get SARS, right? At this stage of society ( evolutionarily (is that a word?) speaking of course), guns are a normal part of our lives. It sucks, but that's the way it is. Get over it, and move on. Oh, and welcome to the real world! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/9/2003 at 4:26 PM JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:52:53 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing harm...I've got a gunwould you rather have me intervene, using my legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because of your views/feelings about guns??? ah, yes, the ancient art of fear-mongering, the specialty of the clueless and uneducated, also Nazis, Tyrants, Warmongers, etc. did you know that it is 10 times more likely for you to be killed by a relative or friend than a bunch of crazy thugs? No. I thought not. Did you know that the incidence of random or home invasion killings/rapes/robberies has been on the decline in Canada for over a decade thanks to the police not having to worry about everybody and their dog not having a handgun? No. I thought not. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? Filtered. I don't have time for ignorance and silly games anymore. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:22:37 up 14 days, 22:03, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 23:49, Frankie wrote: guys, I have no real desire to perpetuate this.. but I'll say this... Can you show me one person who's family was attacked by armed nasties who was forced to stand by impotently cos he had no means of defence.. who agrees with the Joe hills of this world??? About a year ago I was hearing a speech of an american woman travelling through europe in order to convince people of the evils of death penalty. Her father was killed in front of her eyes with a gun and she didn't want the murderer to be killed. She was also against guns of course... Well that is the one you demanded. I guess there are two reactions in your situation, as there are two reactions when your child dies because of drugs maybe: you either shoot the dealer or start helping addicts. I personally would to the latter - it improves the situation instead of making it worse... If not, then that's the real proof that he is full of what is apparently coming from his mouth. I don't understand most of the political crap this has turned into, nor do I care to.. why are you all so keen on turning it into something political??? Has anyone else been in my situation?? how did you deal with it?? is your family still alive?? If you haven't been in the situation, then shut the hell up because you have not been there and don't know what you are talking about. Sorry, that is crap. To have an opinion about war you need to be a soldier? b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Hi, sorry, I cannot stop myself... Look guys i know that bashing America is fun but the system works. Know of any other country that People are dieing to get in? How about: _every_ rich country! Same in Germany, Switzerland,France,England,Belgium,Austria,Holland,Sweden .. Give the poor the choice of staying in their country with a job that let's their children eat and they would certainly not come to us. Where Plumbers take their families to Europe on vacation? I guess a Plumber in Europe earns much more than in america, because we don't have that many rich people but the not-so-rich earn more in turn ;) so-full-of-bullshit-socialism-at-work As for the crack about Corporate America Let me ask you a Question Have you ever gotten a pay check from a Poor Man? The most wise and to the point sentence (IMHO) comes from N.B.Day on the OT list: Seriously, the question is did Tom ever get a paycheck from a _formerly poor person_? That's less and less likely. As for Anne Coulter her book is out selling Hillary's Who is that? (the coulter woman) b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Please Enough!!! - Original Message - From: MWafkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 5:06 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS As an American I'm not bashing America, but amerika, also known as the Bush/Reagan/Nixon administrations Of course her book is outselling Hilary's. It's a trash talking piece of shit geared to the lowest common denominator of stupid and uninformed amerikan neo-rednecks. Duh. Fox News is #1 ratings wise too...so is reality tv. what's your point. That grotesque turd on the radio is still popular, no? Reality is, tho, Hilary wields more power in her pinky than coulter does in her entire grotesque being. Makes her crazy! But I guess her being a writer is a step up from her former job as a lap dancer for ugly old white men. MRW - Original Message - From: Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:14, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:02:57 -0400 MWafkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: A book by Tammy Bruce... heh, heh that about says it all. Is she as stupid as the Hilary wanabe Coulter or whatever her name is...you know thewriter. Ya, and I think I dealt with the Mr Lott issue already. He's so far up the ass of the corporate goons who run America, he smells like a fart and has about the same writing style. Look guys i know that bashing America is fun but the system works. Know of any other country that People are dieing to get in? Where Plumbers take their families to Europe on vacation? As for the crack about Corporate America Let me ask you a Question Have you ever gotten a pay check from a Poor Man? As for Anne Coulter her book is out selling Hillary's -- -- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Oh, by the way Joe - home invasions are actually on the increase in western Canada. Filter that Bitch! Guys like you are gonna get the rest of us killed when the shit hits the fan! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/9/2003 at 4:26 PM JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 15:52:53 -0400 Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: I've got a better question for Joe...lets say I was passing by when I saw the 5 break into your home with the obvious intent of doing harm...I've got a gunwould you rather have me intervene, using my legally owned and registered gun, or throw the gun down first, because of your views/feelings about guns??? ah, yes, the ancient art of fear-mongering, the specialty of the clueless and uneducated, also Nazis, Tyrants, Warmongers, etc. did you know that it is 10 times more likely for you to be killed by a relative or friend than a bunch of crazy thugs? No. I thought not. Did you know that the incidence of random or home invasion killings/rapes/robberies has been on the decline in Canada for over a decade thanks to the police not having to worry about everybody and their dog not having a handgun? No. I thought not. Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? Filtered. I don't have time for ignorance and silly games anymore. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 16:22:37 up 14 days, 22:03, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 04:06 pm, MWafkowski wrote: As an American I'm not bashing America, but amerika, also known as the Bush/Reagan/Nixon administrations Of course her book is outselling Hilary's. It's a trash talking piece of shit geared to the lowest common denominator of stupid and uninformed amerikan neo-rednecks. Duh. Fox News is #1 ratings wise too...so is reality tv. what's your point. That grotesque turd on the radio is still popular, no? Reality is, tho, Hilary wields more power in her pinky than coulter does in her entire grotesque being. Makes her crazy! But I guess her being a writer is a step up from her former job as a lap dancer for ugly old white men. MRW - Original Message - From: Aron Smith [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 4:38 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 13:14, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 9 Jul 2003 16:02:57 -0400 MWafkowski [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: A book by Tammy Bruce... heh, heh that about says it all. Is she as stupid as the Hilary wanabe Coulter or whatever her name is...you know thewriter. Ya, and I think I dealt with the Mr Lott issue already. He's so far up the ass of the corporate goons who run America, he smells like a fart and has about the same writing style. Look guys i know that bashing America is fun but the system works. Know of any other country that People are dieing to get in? Where Plumbers take their families to Europe on vacation? As for the crack about Corporate America Let me ask you a Question Have you ever gotten a pay check from a Poor Man? As for Anne Coulter her book is out selling Hillary's --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Gentlemen, do you realize how much bandwidth you have chewed up with this nonsense? My Grandaddy used to say, and so do I, don't argue politics or religion, it will get nowhere also opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. It boils down to primitive man, my tribe is better than yours, cause it is mine. The argument has merit on both sides but not on this mail list. I recieved 150 emails today, half of which were about this political and highly charged topic. Please, Please take it to the OT list. Thank you. -- Dennis M. linux user #180842 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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OT Please!! Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS Ok - to repost the original: http://thor.prohosting.com/~kilgoret/mandrake/ I reckon I was the one that started to push it off topic by making the comment about Aussies not having guns - my bad. I shoulda known this would veer offcourse uncontrollably and cause much dissension, angst and anxiety. -- Thu Jul 10 07:40:01 EST 2003 07:40:01 up 3 days, 9:12, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.08 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 10.1 RH 9.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.7.25-19mdk Cooker for i786 - * This message was composed on a 110% Microsoft free computer * There has been an alarming increase in the number of things you know nothing about. __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Registered Linux User #299730 Registered Machine #204611 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 16:49, Anders Lind wrote: I am not gonna quote anyone here, but I just gotta say a few things, I am a proud liberatarian, or almost liberatarian at least, and I just wanna point out that right wing nor left wing politics (The left-right scale is obsolete in my wiew btw) is socialistisc by heart in the sense that both sides wants to control and decide up on peoples lives, it makes me sick. Liberalism is the only ideology that keeps the common free. I don't like totalitarian ideologies like leftwing and rightwing ideology is. /Anders maybe tho we can all agree that political and all other discussions not related to Linux-Mandrake OpenSource software belongs some where else (other than a Mandrake Inc, sponsored list, and so again we beg to the OT list http://mdw1982.dyndns.org/mailman/listinfo/mandrakeot heeeshhh, who would thunk such a joke would start such a load __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 10:30 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But to take your idea of right-wing-inconsistency as why they use a french distribution to the extreme: Aren't right-wingers supposed to be using M$ and support the true capitalistic way instead of some Linux-community-communistic ideal of everyones for everybody? /snip I think this thread is way off-topic. Nevertheless, let me try to get it back on trail : 1. Guns, knives, axes or nuclear bombs don't commit crimes. People do. 2. In the US anyone can own a firearm legally (as far as I understand) and the crime rate is considerable. 3. In the Scandinavian countries (where I live) it's illegal for ordinary citizens to own firearms. But nobody cares, because we don't care about the law anymore. Almost every man has a firearm of some sort,but doesn't maintain it properly (we are lazy). The crime rate is considerable and rising. 4. In Switzerland every man is obliged to have a military-style firearm at arm's length. The crime rate is almost nil. So much for *hardware* - *software* is more interesting, so here comes a few questions to all you Americans : 1. How come that *the land of the free and the home of the brave* allowed one single company to enable every fascist/communist/corrupt/totalitarian government to peruse the harddisks of its citizens ? 2. How come that that same nation's *Department Of Justice* engages the blinders every time that same company violates court rulings ? 3. How come that the average John Doe pays that same company big bucks to video-tape him, pants down ? 4. How come, that you have deranged yourself to the European standards of submission, obedience and slavery ? Luckily, we all have an alternative : let those totalitarian, communist, fascist and corrupt governments copulate with their M$-friends and let's use OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 - kernel 2.4.21 Brought to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Can't argue with that! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/10/2003 at 1:24 AM Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 10:30 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But to take your idea of right-wing-inconsistency as why they use a french distribution to the extreme: Aren't right-wingers supposed to be using M$ and support the true capitalistic way instead of some Linux-community-communistic ideal of everyones for everybody? /snip I think this thread is way off-topic. Nevertheless, let me try to get it back on trail : 1. Guns, knives, axes or nuclear bombs don't commit crimes. People do. 2. In the US anyone can own a firearm legally (as far as I understand) and the crime rate is considerable. 3. In the Scandinavian countries (where I live) it's illegal for ordinary citizens to own firearms. But nobody cares, because we don't care about the law anymore. Almost every man has a firearm of some sort,but doesn't maintain it properly (we are lazy). The crime rate is considerable and rising. 4. In Switzerland every man is obliged to have a military-style firearm at arm's length. The crime rate is almost nil. So much for *hardware* - *software* is more interesting, so here comes a few questions to all you Americans : 1. How come that *the land of the free and the home of the brave* allowed one single company to enable every fascist/communist/corrupt/totalitarian government to peruse the harddisks of its citizens ? 2. How come that that same nation's *Department Of Justice* engages the blinders every time that same company violates court rulings ? 3. How come that the average John Doe pays that same company big bucks to video-tape him, pants down ? 4. How come, that you have deranged yourself to the European standards of submission, obedience and slavery ? Luckily, we all have an alternative : let those totalitarian, communist, fascist and corrupt governments copulate with their M$-friends and let's use OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE. Kaj Haulrich. -- Registered Linux user # 214073 at http://counter.li.org Powered by Linux - Mandrake 9.1 - kernel 2.4.21 Brought to you from a 100 % Micro$oft-free computer. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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TSK! TSK! Shame on you Stephen! Grin! Grin! Lanman *** REPLY SEPARATOR *** On 7/10/2003 at 7:47 AM Stephen Kuhn wrote: Ok - to repost the original: http://thor.prohosting.com/~kilgoret/mandrake/ I reckon I was the one that started to push it off topic by making the comment about Aussies not having guns - my bad. I shoulda known this would veer offcourse uncontrollably and cause much dissension, angst and anxiety. -- Thu Jul 10 07:40:01 EST 2003 07:40:01 up 3 days, 9:12, 3 users, load average: 0.07, 0.07, 0.08 - |____ |kuhn media australia| | /-oo /| |'-. |http://kma.0catch.com | | .\__/ || | | || | _ / `._ \|_|_.-' |stephen kuhn| | | / \__.`=._) (_ | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | - linux user #:267497 linux machine #:194239 * MDK 10.1 RH 9.3 Mandrake Linux Kernel 2.7.25-19mdk Cooker for i786 - * This message was composed on a 110% Microsoft free computer * There has been an alarming increase in the number of things you know nothing about. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 04:01 pm, Frankie wrote: Incidently, I have joined the OT list in the hope that someone can tell me how I can protect my family from armed intruders without being armed myself kindest regards Franki Please, what is that URL? Thanks. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 04:26 pm, JoeHill wrote: ah, yes, the ancient art of fear-mongering, the specialty of the clueless and uneducated, also Nazis, Tyrants, Warmongers, etc. How was my example fear-mongering? did you know that it is 10 times more likely for you to be killed by a relative or friend than a bunch of crazy thugs? No. I thought not. Yes, and that has nothing to do with guns. :-) Did you know that the incidence of random or home invasion killings/rapes/robberies has been on the decline in Canada for over a decade thanks to the police not having to worry about everybody and their dog not having a handgun? No. I thought not. So all the criminals have turned their guns in as well? Ignorance is bliss, isn't it? I wouldn't know, I try to keep an open mind and stay informed. Filtered. I don't have time for ignorance and silly games anymore. Thats your choice and right, as I said before. -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 10 July 2003 01:31, Lanman wrote: Oh, by the way Joe - home invasions are actually on the increase in western Canada. Who cares? Is that a point pro guns? Care for some facts? Time to read some statistics? http://www.guncite.com/cnngunde.html The study, done by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, is the first comprehensive international look at gun-related deaths. The study used 1994 statistics supplied by the 36 richest countries. Of the 88,649 gun deaths reported by all the countries, the United States accounted for 45 percent. researchers said easy access to guns and society's acceptance of violence are part of the problem in the United States. The study found that gun-related deaths were five to six times higher in the Americas than in Europe or Australia and New Zealand and 95 times higher than in Asia. Japan, where very few people own guns, averages 124 gun-related attacks a year, and less than 1 percent end in death. Police often raid the homes of those suspected of having weapons. The U.S. rate for gun deaths in 1994 was 14.24 per 100,000 people. Japan had the lowest rate, at .05 per 100,000. If you want to verify the statistics here is another source: United Nations International Study on Firearm Regulation http://www.uncjin.org/Statistics/firearms/index.htm The report: http://www.uncjin.org/Documents/6comm/4e.pdf also interesting http://www.norc.uchicago.edu/new/guns97.pdf b. OK now I will shut up. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Lets see now. KDE KMail Settings Configure POP Filter New Filter Any Header Contains NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS delete mail from server Apply OK Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thu, 10 Jul 2003 02:17:30 +0200 [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: OK now I will shut up. No, don't, just send it to them directly, off list, and cc it to the OT list, that's what I am doing. See, they just can't deal with facts, so they bring up red herrings like how we're gonna get invaded and won't have any pop guns to defend ourselves the way the Americans did so effectively on 9/11, or how there's so many gun murders in Canada, ignoring the fact it is still 1/100th the rate in the US. Keep on truckin my friend, it's fun to watch them sputter and rant about which they know nothing. :) -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 20:21:16 up 15 days, 2:02, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wednesday 09 July 2003 05:53 pm, JoeHill wrote: On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:15:49 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: *Filtered. I don't have time for ignorance and silly games anymore.* Don't like contrary opinions--work for MS. Can't read? Join Special Olympics. Thats pretty low :-( -- /\ DarkLord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 12:56, MWafkowski wrote: Isaac - As an American I can testify the center is now the right wing and the right wing are now fascists. The left wing is dead (except some old farts like myself and a few kids). Sigh...not what I had envisioned for my generation's legacy...GW. Chrisssttt! But we soldier on... Regards, Mike Wafkowski P.S. - Fox and news is an oxymoron - Original Message - From: Isaac Curtis [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 2:37 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wednesday 09 July 2003 14:01, you wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 19:19, Lyvim Xaphir wrote: On Wed, 2003-07-09 at 11:35, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could you spread your right-wing opinion on the OT list and NOT here? Mike that is an interesting concept although I consider the Republicans to be as Democrats were 40 years ago and the liberals to be almost outright Stalinist Oh well opinions are like assholes ..everyones got one __ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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The weird thing is the OT list is kind of a dead zone...meet some of you right wingers there and punch you in the gut... MRW - Original Message - From: Frankie [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 09, 2003 6:18 PM Subject: RE: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS Damn it.. I'd filter Joe myself, but its become exciting waiting for the next installment :-).. oddly enough, I joined the ot list over an hour ago and noone has made comment yet. I just gave it a prod :-) snip Does that make the research upon which Lott bases his opinions any less true *** Yes. /snip *** I love his use of reasoned arguements and logic.. its great.. kindest regards Franki -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of JoeHill Sent: Thursday, 10 July 2003 5:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] NEW EMAIL LIST INSTRUCTIONS On Wed, 09 Jul 2003 17:38:13 -0400 Brant Fitzsimmons [EMAIL PROTECTED] uttered: Does that make the research upon which Lott bases his opinions any less true Yes. -- Joehill Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: http://nodex.sytes.net 17:41:01 up 14 days, 23:22, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.01, 0.00 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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On Thursday 10 July 2003 03:24, Kaj Haulrich wrote: On Wednesday 09 July 2003 10:30 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip But to take your idea of right-wing-inconsistency as why they use a french distribution to the extreme: Aren't right-wingers supposed to be using M$ and support the true capitalistic way instead of some Linux-community-communistic ideal of everyones for everybody? /snip I think this thread is way off-topic. Nevertheless, let me try to get it back on trail : 1. Guns, knives, axes or nuclear bombs don't commit crimes. People do. 2. In the US anyone can own a firearm legally (as far as I understand) and the crime rate is considerable. Interesting... 3. In the Scandinavian countries (where I live) it's illegal for ordinary citizens to own firearms. According to http://www.uncjin.org/Documents/6comm/4e.pdf (United Nations International Study on Firearm Regulation) Swedish and Finnish citizens are allowed to have guns. (the study is from 1997) And they use their right extensively. They are among those countries with the most guns. Maybe that is why i.e. the finnish are in the order of gun related deaths: Brazil (big gap) Jamaica USA (big gap) Estonia Finland not all that far behind. (only 1/3 of USAs but still 4x that of Germany, Sweden though is relatively peaceful) But in fact the finnish have more (registered) weapons than even the USA! Vietnam and Malaysia do not allow long and handguns at all. Japan only doesn't allow handgun at all, but all are restricted. They have the least gun-related death rates. But nobody cares, because we don't care about the law anymore. Almost every man has a firearm of some sort,but doesn't maintain it properly (we are lazy). The crime rate is considerable and rising. Interesting. I suppose that and the comment of american crime rate is just your personal impressions? 4. In Switzerland every man is obliged to have a military-style firearm at arm's length. The crime rate is almost nil. Only about 15% of the population are in the army. Only those are obliged. The guns must be kept separate from ammunition and unloaded, it's not of much use against intruders in your home. It is an assault rifle (long gun) and therefore is not and must not be carried around when you go out and therefore helps against no other crimes than home intrusions, to which we have established that it does not help either. So the crime rate has nothing to do with these guns. Btw. I live in switzerland. b. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
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Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Gentlemen, do you realize how much bandwidth you have chewed up with this nonsense? My Grandaddy used to say, and so do I, don't argue politics or religion, it will get nowhere also opinions are like assholes, everyone has one. It boils down to primitive man, my tribe is better than yours, cause it is mine. The argument has merit on both sides but not on this mail list. I recieved 150 emails today, half of which were about this political and highly charged topic. Please, Please take it to the OT list. Thank you. No kidding,,, I work late and everyone else is trying to take my job of being the @$$whole around here look knock it off, Or I give my nephew your e-mail address... take it to the OT list. or we start with talking about WW2... LOL et Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
