Re: Re(6): [newbie] Building a PC (2).
On Fri, 2002-02-08 at 00:44, Brian Durant wrote: Tell him to order it from Singapore. I used to get all my stuff there. :) (I lived in Bandung for a couple years. Seemed everytime I needed something, it was being ordered from Singapore.). Thanks for the info Ric, I would like to get the Soyo Dragon+, would be willing to purchase myself if necessary, as my tech guy keeps pushing the ABit KG7. I am not sure whether he will make more money on this or not. Same goes for the ATI Radeon recommended by the list. Do you or others on the list have a URL where I could order directly from Singapore for these items? The aBit KG7 is a good board. From what I know of it, you'd be happy enough with it. The Dragon+ just offers some capabilities the KG7 doesn't. also, as a bonus, you get built in sound, and 10/100 ethernet, as well as IDE RAID, so it actually saves some dollars on not having to buy those components. As to where to get one from Indonesia... Try the soyo website to see if you can find a dealer near you. Or find a dealer in Australia (?). The soyo web site is at: http://www.soyo.com good luck. Your biggest challenge will be finding someone who will ship it into Indonesia for you, at a reasonable price. (and not having customs gouge you too badly on it..). -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: Re(4): [newbie] Building a PC (2).
On Thu, 2002-02-07 at 02:08, Brian Durant wrote: The Soyo Dragon+ is reputed to ge a great MB. I'm looking at one myself, for an upcoming project. Just my 206 rupiah worth. ;) Unfortunately, my tech states that there is no reliable supplier for the Soyo here in Indonesia 8-( Tell him to order it from Singapore. I used to get all my stuff there. :) (I lived in Bandung for a couple years. Seemed everytime I needed something, it was being ordered from Singapore.). -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] KDE and Gnome
On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 16:15, Dave Sherman wrote: On Wed, 2002-02-06 at 06:55, Walter Logeman wrote: I have evolution open in KDE. However i have a problem. on my 1600 x 1200 screen all the gnome aps fonts are too small and i cant change them. It seems they are set in another program sawfish? Use Gnome Control Center (gnomecc) to set your fonts and font sizes for Gnome apps. You can run GnomeCC in KDE, no problem. Am I the only one on the list who uses Gnome? It looks like everyone responding to this thread is running KDE. Personally, I have found that Gnome (with the Sawfish WM) is far more configurable, performs better, and looks better than KDE. Evolution is my mail client, and Nautilus my GUI file manager (on the rare occasion I want one). Not alone. I'm also running Gnome. It just feels more comfortable to me. But then I'm a recent convert from FVWM.. ;) I use Gnome/Sawfish, Evolution for e-Mail, and Nautilus on the rare occation that I need a graphical file manager. I never quite got used to KDE. It Feels too much like windows to me. If you bog one thing down, everything seems to slow down (maybe that's just me..). Gnome took me a while to get used to though. Some things are either missing, or need improvement. Like putting launchers on the desk top. I've worked it out, but Gnome could benefit from smoothing this out. Also, some things In Nautilus could use some work. But after all, it's a release 1.x product. It's doing well for it's age. (anyone remember Windows 2.x? Now there was a usless product! ;) -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] fstab problem
AFAIK: NTFS support is not turned on in the default configuration. It's still buggy, and dangerous. If you really want it, you'll have to build a kernel with it enabled. Best advice: Don't go there. JMHO-YMMV Ric On Tue, 2002-02-05 at 18:51, Greg Smith wrote: I have successfully configured the fstab file to mount the vfat partitions that are elswhere on the hard drive, but I can't get the ntfs partition to mount at boot. Below are the lines I am using in fstab to mount the partitions on boot. The vfat partitions mount automatically, but the ntfs partition won't. I have double-checked and the mount points are correct as I can mount the ntfs partition manually after boot up using these options. /dev/hda1 /Win98 vfat umask=0,quiet 0 0 /dev/hda6 /Dnld vfat umask=0,quiet 0 0 /dev/hda5 /Win2K ntfs umask=0,quiet 0 0 Anybody got an idea? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] saytime - no /dev/audio
On Tue, 2002-01-29 at 06:46, L.V.Gandhi wrote: I have working mdk 8.1. Sound is working normally. I have installed program saytime which tells current time. It worked in mdk 8.0 and RH 7.1. It is not working in mdk 8.1. It says there is no /dev/audio. I did ln -s /dev/sound.dsp /dev/audio. Can I assume that the above is a typo? You want to link /dev/sound/dsp - /dev/dsp You indicated /dev/sound.dsp -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] No sound for window/system events (Gnome/Sawfish/LM8.1)
On Fri, 2002-01-18 at 04:49, Charles Darcy wrote: On Thu, 2002-01-17 at 17:44, Sridhar Dhanapalan wrote: Perhaps EsounD isn't loaded. Try running 'esd' and see what happens with your GNOME sounds. Thanks, Sridhar, I tried 'esd' and it played a short series of tones, but didn't help with sounds for window events. I tried resetting the Gnome sound options, logged in and out, but still with no luck. Finally, I reinstalled gnome-audio and gnome-audio-extra (both 1.4.0-1). SoftwareManager found errors in gnome-audio, so I got a fresh copy from a mirror and installed it by hand. Still no success, but now when I run 'esd', I get the following error: esd: Failed to fix mode of /tmp/.esd to 1777. [rod@localhost rod]$ Try -trust to force esd to start. esd: Esound sound daemon unable to create unix domain socket:/tmp/.esd/socket The socket is not accessible by esd. Exiting... If I use the '-trust' option, I hear the same tones as I first did, but the windows events are still silent. I had a similar problem with mine. Sound worked in KDE, but not Gnome. A little digging revealed that there was no /dev/dsp, it was (for some odd reason) set up as: /dev/sound/dsp. A link fixed it. There's probably a better way though. Any suggestions on why /dev/sound/dsp was set up, rather than the more standard /dev/dsp? -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] lost drive?
Eric Budinger wrote: I tried the mount command listed at the bottom cause the other hard drive should be hdc but it didn't come up. It said mnt/ohd does not exist You can't just mount /dev/hdc, you'll need to set up the partitions, and mount those. IE: /dev/hdc1, /dev/hdc2, etc. How do I see if linux even see's the other harddrive? Um... 'cat /proc/ide' should tell you if it's there. Ric Eric -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Dave Sherman Sent: Friday, January 04, 2002 10:02 AM To: Mandrake-newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] lost drive? On Fri, 2002-01-04 at 08:47, Eric Budinger wrote: Hi, I just re-installed Linux on my 4 gig hard drive. I have a 4 gig, My Cdrom and a 1.2 gig. On my 1.2gig is my OLD linux system with my old HOME directory. Well I don't see my old drive. My 4 gig is my Pri Master, My CDrom is my Pri Slave and my 1.2 gig is my Sec Master. Help? Eric Linux is not like DOS -- you can't just access a drive by its letter or anything like that. Instead, each drive must be mounted on your root filesystem. You can probably access the drive by mounting /dev/hdc (or maybe /dev/hdb, depending upon how the cdrom was detected). The hard drive devices are named 'hdx' (for hard drive x, where 'x' is a, b, c... in order of primacy on the IDE channel). cdrom's sometimes appear as a hard drive if they are ordinary ide drives, or will appear as scsi devices if they are cd burners. So, assuming your second hard drive is /dev/hdb, you can mount it on your root filesystem as a directory, maybe call it /ohd (for 'old hard drive'). Once it is mounted as a directory, you can access it and do whatever copying or transferring of data you need to do. Then, just unmount it and you are ready to go. The mount command might be something like this (must be done as root): mount -t ext2 /dev/hdc /ohd There are lots of other options to the mount command, 'man mount' for more info on it. Dave -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy, and good with ketchup. _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake come from red hat
Julian; You might want to look into getting swat working, and use that to configure samba. It deffinately shortens the configuration time. Samba can be a bear. There has been a lot of mail about it lately, check the archives as well. Ric PS: Glad to hear you got it installed running! Ya just gotta watch those prompts options. If ya miss the wrong one, pfft! yer toast. :) Julian Opificius wrote: Hi Ric, PS: Julian; You're good sport. You'll do OK with this stuff! :) Cheers Ric - you too :-) b.t.w. In the past hour or so I went back and reinstalled Mandrake 8.1. I was a lot more studious of options, and managed to get the installer accept the partitions I'd created in System Commander (a simple /boot, /, /swap setup for now) and things went OK. My just-updated System Commander 7 saw the install (mind you, I was previously at SC2000, which didn't). Only problem was that my CD-ROM drive refused to see my 2ns and 3rd CDs. I burned 'em myself, and Windows see's them. I think I've seen some mention of this before on the list, that sometimes the faster readers are a bit fussy of home-brew CD-Rs. Anyway, I'm now trying to get Samba to work. A Linux share I created was showing upon the Linux box for a while, but then it all went away. I'm really thinking it's Windows, because when I rebooted my RedHat install to cross-check, the shares from that install aren't working either! All I get when I try to access the Linux box in the browser is an invitation to put in a password for the IPC$ share! I'll keep poking at it ;-) j. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] alias 'ls --color -F'
ai4a wrote: If I enter the alias command, it shows I have an alias 'ls --color=auto -F'. Where is this alias defined? I have looked in /home/~/.bashrc /root/.bashrc and I do not see it there. I am running Linux MD 7.2. I'm not sure on 7.2, but on 8.1 it's in: /etc/profile.d/alias.sh If it's not there on 7.2, try /etc/bashrc or /etc/profile (NOTE: No leading dot on those) Hope that helps! -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Mandrake 8.2 Features or 9.0 version
# No, but alot people who buy mandrake like having all of these things # available. You never know when you might want to fire up a web or mail # server from home. I appreciate all that stuff being there, even I exactly know that my Secretary computer NEVER install any Server. Does your Secretary install a Mail Server in her PC? ;) In simple terms, nearly every major unix out there can be installed as either a server, or a workstation. Linux is no exception to that. I've set up a great many Solaris, AIX, and HP-UX servers, and workstations from the same CDs. The difference is that at install time, YOU (the admin) select whether YOU want the install to be for a server, or a workstation, and YOU install it accordingly. The desktop user is not going to do their own installation, so that's just not an issue. YOU the admin, install what's needed, and you don't need to track dozens of CDs for the different types of installs. This is pretty much standard Unix installation. You have EVERYTHING available, and YOU the admin, install what you need. All neat, and pretty, in a single package. Evern better, YOU (the admin) can build an install image for all desktops, and install THAT on everything. The users never see the install CDs, they're a TOOL for YOU (the admin) to make available what you need to build whatever you need. If your desktop user doesn't need a mail server, don't install it. Don't need a web server? Don't install it. The list goes on. It's just up to YOU the admin to know what you're doing. Unlike another popular desktop OS that doesn't require that the admin know anything beyond stick da CD thingy in da cup holder, and close it... den wait for da autoinstall thingy to woik. This is true of all the major Unix flavors. Welcome to the land of true computing! Some folks aren't ready for the power, and flexability. To them I say: Buy a Mac. JMHO-YMMV -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] alias 'ls --color -F'
On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 18:34, ai4a wrote: tester wrote: On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 10:40, ai4a wrote: If I enter the alias command, it shows I have an alias 'ls --color=auto -F'. Where is this alias defined? I have looked in /home/~/.bashrc /root/.bashrc and I do not see it there. I am running Linux MD 7.2. Tks Charles =_1008963555-11608-964 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Try this: Open a terminal su to root # rgrep -r -i -l alias /etc Then tell us all what you find. Civileme I would run this command in 7.2 except the disk on my 7.2 test machine failed and I have some work to do to restore things. In 8.1 it is /etc/profile.d/alias.sh which is sourced out of anouther file. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Hi Civileme, When I run the above command I get about a screen half of file names!!! Do you want the list of filenames??? I ran 'grep -r -i -l ls --color and found 2 files: /etc/profile.d/color_ls.csh /etc/profile.d/color_sh. The contents of these files are: /etc/profile.d/color_ls.csh: eval 'dircolor -c /etc/DIR_COLORS' alias ls --color=auto -F /etc/profile.d/color_ls.sh: #! /bin/bash eval 'dircolors --sh /etc/DIR_COLORS if [ $term = emacs }:then alias ls='ls -N -F' else alias ls=ls --color=auto -F fi Ok, looks like you found it! There are two, because someone was covering all their bases. /etc/profile.d/color_ls.sh would be used if your're logging in under bash shell /etc/profile.d/color_ls.csh would be used if you were logging in under c-shell. To be sure to correct it for either circumstance, you would change both files. OR: Instead of globally changing the system for all users, you could change your own .bashrc to correct ls. Just add: alias ls=ls to your $HOME/.bashrc That will over ride the one called earlier. Hope that helps BTW: Civileme: In 8.1 /etc/profile.d/color_ls.sh /etc/profile.d/color_ls.csh still exist. The color ls alias isn't set in /etc/profile.d/alias.sh (I thought it was until tonight as well). Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [junk] Re: [newbie] mandrake come from red hat
ROTFL! Good one! I grew up with Happy as a clam at high tide It's at least cleaner than pigs in poop!. :) Ric On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 13:43, Julian Opificius wrote: One of the things I did for grits and shins (or more specifically, for money) in my youth back in England was work on a pig farm. Contrary to popular belief we do actually see the sun there, one in a rare while. As pigs don't have sweat glands, they control their temperature by rolling in mud. So a pig in mud is a happy pig. What this has got to do with Samba and Linux I have absolutely no idea, but sometimes those old expressions seem so appropriate. Oh, here's a try: Messing with Microsoft OSs is rolling around in poop, but without the satisfying exothermic effect. Or ... Mandrake is cool poop! OK, OK, I won't quit my day job to be a stand-up comedian. j. = At 09:57 AM 12/21/01 -0800, you wrote: umm, thats a good thing, right? ;) On Friday 21 December 2001 09:20, you spoke unto me thusly: Now, if someone would only code up my hide inaccessible directories option for Samba I'd be as happy as a pig in poop :-) -- It is no measure of your health to be well adjusted to a profoundly sick society. shane registered linux user #101606 @ http://counter.li.org/ http://www.mystic-light.net/personal/ Proud to be a DMOZ editor since 10-98 http://dmoz.org cause humans do it better! Link different. Profile at: http://dmoz.org/profiles/shen.html Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com == Julian A. Opificius. 802 Fawn Road, Elk River, MN 55330. Home: 763.441.1291, Cell: 763.360.5919 [EMAIL PROTECTED] ICQ: 3268206 == Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] places to put stuff
On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 20:45, tester wrote: On Fri, 2001-12-21 at 17:18, Julian Opificius wrote: Now you did it ... answered a question, and set up another ;-) What is /usr/local used for? /usr/local is used for programs. It is privileged access but not usually on root's path though on the paths of users. If you download a tarball and do the ./configure make make install stuff, your binary will likely drop right onto /usr/local. The use of filesystems is standardized partially in a document called FHS 2.2 for Filesystem Hierarchy Standard. It is incorporated by reference in the Linux Standard base which we try to comply witrh. http://www.pathname.com/fhs/ gives you links to several formats of the FHS 2.2 http://www.linuxbase.org/ is where you will find other standards applicable to Linux and links to the standardization efforts. You mught notice that one of the contributors is Mandrakesoft. Civileme P. S. Note when you study the standards that many things are defined for the use of local system administrators. Not every directory defined needs to be a separate mounted partition, and in fact separating any one of the following directories from the partition where / is mounted will result in an unbootable system /lib /bin /sbin /etc For all you folks out there, what is the reason this will happen? Think about it and I'll ask someone knowledgeable to provide the answer on Christmas. I just have to take the bait. The directories listed must be part of the root filesystem /. They contain files/libs/executables that are needed at boot time when only / is mounted. If you watch a system boot, it mounts / first to start the init sequence. It's within that sequence that the rest of the filesystems get mounted. But at the early boot stages, only / is mounted, so of those programs are not located there.. you can't boot. Simple enough. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] I can't take it anymore
Ed Tharp wrote: and promise that you have (as root, in a text console, without X running, and without the quotes) typed sndconfig On Monday 17 December 2001 16:19, you wrote: At 12:38 PM 12/17/2001 -0600, Newbie wrote: I guess I'm too neurologically crippled to figure things out myself well damn it, I need more help with that than other people. sorry did not know other way to express it. Don't be too down on yourself. No one person knows everything. Have you asked your questions in [EMAIL PROTECTED]? Someone somewhere has an answer. Unfortuneatly, it make take a month or so to find that person. I'd suggest paying for tech support but you might end up waiting a long time for an answer from paid tech support also. I don't know what other linux OS has sound, suse don't got it, debian don't have it, I'm not going to bust my butt fucking around in some stupid-ass goddamn config file buried under 10,000 feet of shit just to get my damn sound working!!! Have you checked the hardware compatibility list? If it's not supported, throw it away get one that is. I had to do that with a video card. I had a problem with sound on my 8.1 installation until I ran harddrake to configure the sound card. After that it works a champ! I've heard of other people with the same problem, and the same solution fixed theirs. You might give it a try. Sound seems to have been a problem with 8.1, and it (sometimes) can take a little fussing to get it right. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake come from red hat
Sounds to me like you just need to learn to run the installer. I'm sitting on a system right now that is multi-boot, with Win98, win2k, Linux, and Solaris, managed by System Comander. No problem. The Mandrake installer dropped the boot image on the first partition of the Mandrake installation just like I told it to do (in my case that's hdb1). If you take the lame road, and auto-install, then you take what you get. One might look at the expert install. It offers many more options. However, as the name would imply, it assumes that you know what you're doing. RTFM. It's full of magical spells incantations. With them, you can do most anything you want with Linux. If you don't want to take the time to learn, and do it right, . . Well, my sympathy level drops quickly. Ric David McGlone wrote: well same thing happened to me, I lost all my backed up data that was on 3 seperate ext2 partitions and 3 seperate partitions that I had windows installs on (mostly games) and I never told mandrakes partition tool to even touch them partitions. when I booted after my first install which I installed over a SuSE install I got a kernel panic, I wondered why such a thing happened, so I put the mandrake disk back in and when I got to the partitioning tool, it showed no partitions at all, they were all gone, it wiped out virtually everything except hda1. Well I proceeded to partition and finally install mandrake, I started to use it and it seemed to be a nice OS until the time came that I wanted to remove some rpm's and install different ones, and all I got was dependency problems left and right. I tried and tried every way I know, but it seems that when I wanted to remove 1 RPM from Mandrake, it wanted to remove the whole Operating System. At this point, I totally gave up, stuck my SuSE install Disk in and went back to SuSE. The way I see all this is, with Mandrake, you don't have much freedom. If I cannot remove an rpm and install the .tar file instead, then I think Mandrake is heading to Redmond. just my $.02 David M. AIM: dmclgone27 ICQ: 96210352 On Monday 17 December 2001 09:16 am, you wrote: Just to offer a contrasting and virtually worthless opinion here ... I'm not sure about the slicker install or souped up. I lost Windows installs on two of my machines (Win98 and Win2000) because Mandrake 8.1's installer trashed my partition tables without giving me a way out, so I went back to Red Hat 7.2 and had a much better install experience. I use System Commander 7 as a boot manager, but Mandrake's installer wouldn't support writing the boot code on the Linux boot partition for another boot manager to pick up, it absolutely insisted on writing it's boot block to the MBR, which is not polite, and more to the point, is not compatible with System Commander. I'll try Mandrake again this week, because many people have a very high opinion (I'm still subscribed to this list, obviously). If someone does know how to instruct Mandrake's installer to put it's boot block on /boot (folks seem to call this a superblock, apparently), please tell me - I'd really like to give Mandrake a run - but please don't tell me to trash System Commander: I've paid for it, I like it, and it's friendly to my family users, who don't want to have to learn anything else :-) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Warning for newbies, learn from my mistake
Package Manager works just fine. BUT: After upgrading a kernel, you need to go in and fix /boot. Package Managere doesn't do that, and it will leave you pretty much broken. Once you've fixed /boot, check /etc/lilo.conf for validity, and then run lilo to set the changes. Your next reboot should be fine after that. To the person who upgraded their kernel, and has not yet rebooted... Reboot the thing! The new kernel won't take effect until you do. Ric David .. wrote: Just a warning to those who like using the Mandrakes Package Manager. When your run the check for new security patches and you see the option to update your kernel. DON'T! Do NOT and I repeat, DO NOT upgrade your kernel via the package manager. Learning from my 3 hr mistake! After the upgrade from -26 to -36, I lost all networking, sound, video was crappy. You name it, I had problems with. After trying for 3 hrs I was able to figure out what I needed to do. Get to the commandline, run: rpm -qa|grep -i kernel Find out what verion of the kernel is currently installed and remove it but using: rpm -e --nodeps kernel version, then reinstall the last known kernal that was working for you, or grab it from your Mandrake CDs. Funny enough I got a phone call from a friend who had just install the lastest kernel from the cooker and had the same problems. I was able to help him out in a few minutes after learning from my mistake. But one difference was that he had removed the kernel as explained above and then ran the the CD as in the UPDATE mode, this was able to patchup his system with the kernel from the CD as well. So fair warning, Don't run the update from package manager. You have been warned. _ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Warning for newbies, learn from my mistake
With many things, that's absolutely right. However, the kernel is an exception to that. Think about it. The kernel is loaded at boot time. It IS linux. To run the new kernel, you must reboot. PS: Just a hint, before you do that, check /boot. You'll find borken links, and a missing initrd.img. You'll need to patch that up by hand before rebooting, or you'll crash burn, and have to resort to rescue mode to get it fixed. Good Luck! ric Johnson, David wrote: That's the beauty of Linux. I shouldn't HAVE to reboot...right? :-) Fortunately, it's only a machine for me to learn the OS on, so I don't have a problem wiping and re-installing... -Original Message- From: David .. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 10:52 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Warning for newbies, learn from my mistake Ah so you haven't rebooted eh. Go ahead, and reboot then come back to the list with your findings. I did the package install and it was fine for a few hours, after i did the reboot, then it took the new kernel and thats when the problems started. From: Johnson, David [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [newbie] Warning for newbies, learn from my mistake Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 13:11:46 -0500 Hmm. I did this update some time ago via the package manager without problem. System has not been rebooted since...I don't think that a blanket DO NOT DO THIS is appropriate. Of course you must be very careful when doing something as drastic as updating your kernel. Just make sure you have a way out planned before-hand! -Original Message- From: David .. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, December 17, 2001 6:43 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Warning for newbies, learn from my mistake Just a warning to those who like using the Mandrakes Package Manager. When your run the check for new security patches and you see the option to update your kernel. DON'T! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] mandrake come from red hat
Ok Julian, you dragged me out again, and made me bite on another piece of bait... So this is my last-last comment on this thread. Yes, it's well acknowledged that installing Linux can, and will destroy the contents of your hard drive. It's also well documented, so it shouldn't be such a surprise! So will Redmond, so will Solaris, so will BSD, so will AIX, so will HP-UX, etc., etc., etc.. Linux is not unique in that respect (Don't anyone say it! I KNOW AIX HP-UX won't run on Intel platforms. But they surely will overwrite the contents of a hard-drive upon install, which was the point I was trying to make). Some of these OS's though will allow you to install along-side another os, and play nicely. Linux is just such a good neighbor. But it must be done with care caution. Once the partition table, OR the MBR has been written to, it cannot be canceled. The Linux installer (and the install documentation) are a little light on documentation about that. Also, in the expert mode install, the point of no return in where it places Lilo can go by very quickly, and unnoticed if you're not really paying attention (it gets evern trickier when the folks at Mandrake change the installer...). So, that much I'll concede to. Maybe Mandrake could take a look at the section in the installer where it confirms where to put lilo. I will admit to blasting my MBR more than once from having missed this on a newly revised installer. Messed with my whole week-end the last time. Takes a fair amount of work to fix the MBR when it had System Commander on it, and multi booting 5 different OS's! So I'll lay down me guns. I've wounded meself a time or two with this stuff. But then, that's how I learned to fix it! :) But it's like learning to drive. You _do_ need to practice, and be careful. You can't blame the car because you didn't see the stop sign, or know the rules of the road. Nuff said. I'm puttin my guns back in the holster before I piss anyone else off, and I'm SOL the next time I need help. G Ric PS: Julian; You're good sport. You'll do OK with this stuff! :) Julian Opificius wrote: Jeez, what's with all this heavy artillery. I didn't say it was junk. I offered the installer wasn't well written. You came at me with guns a'blazin, Ric! I've been in this business a long time, and I don't appreciate judgemental crap about lame options, not R'ing TFM, etc. I actually do have a great deal of patience. I spend a lot of time helping folks, who demonstrate a desire to help themselves, and are trying to learn. I know you do. We all appreciate that. But don't be uncivil. Offering a less-than-shining opinion about a piece of code does not warrant personal attacks. Yes, Linux is an advanced operating system. It does require spending some time learning it. No experienced Linux user, or admin would say differently. And neither would I. We all have to start somewhere, and unfortunately the installer is that somewhere. To get the most out of Linux, and this list, spend some time educating yourself before proclaiming Mandrake to be junk because it won't install right, when the install error was yours. Nobody's proclaiming any such thing. If you'd stop being so blasted defensive on everyone else's behalf we'd get something done. The problem was this: I DID use the expert mode. I had created partitions using System Commander before starting the Mandrake install. After some minor adjustments in the installer I wrote the partition table and continued with the install. At some point I realized the installer was taking me somewhere I didn't want to go, but the cancel button wouldn't work, and I couldn't identify a backout strategy from the buttons on the dialog. Civelene's comment about expectations was probably right on the mark :- At the moment we are having more bad results from veteran installers than 12-year-olds who have never seen an installer before. So we are learning that there is a definite expectation induced by prior experience that may distort perceptions of users into assuming they see things they do not. Thank you, Civilene. I think you've got it in a nutshell. Let's all get back to helping each other out and not defending Linux - it doesn't need it. Julian. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] environment variables not loading?
Try typing env, and see what you get. You can also check for specific path statements with: echo $PATH On Thu, 2001-12-06 at 04:57, tek1 wrote: i've specified environment variables in both /etc/profile (for all users) and home/me/.bash_profile (for myself), but upon boot up and automatically logging in to my account, the environment variables haven't been loaded. when i do echo $ENV (whatever the environment variable is), it is blank (not set). in the profile files, after declaring each env, i also wrote export $ENV... any ideas? thanks. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Another TuxRacer question
Interesting. I have exactly the same problem. I noticed that someone posted a fix of just copying /root/.tuxracer to your own home dir, and patching up the permissions... that didn't fix it for me. Does anyone else have any solutions for this? Thanks! On Thu, 2001-11-29 at 06:12, Dragon . wrote: There are a couple of us trying LM8.1 and we can run Tuxracer just fine as root. When we log on as a user in the root group but Tuxracer dies after you select a track. The screen turns 320x480, the desktop pops up, and the mouse locks. I can still hit the Gnome key (windows Key) for the menu, guess where logoff it, and log off. Sometimes the mouse starts to work again, sometimes it doesn't. I think it is a permissions problem, but the users are in the root group and they seem to have access to the Tuxracer directories. Any ideas would be appriciated. _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com -- Ric Tibbetts Linux registration number: 55684 If you want to help advertise Linux - point your friends to http://counter.li.org/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Importing Fonts
Ah.. the new generation of Linux users... Y'all can't do anything without a GUI. Want to know what's going on under the covers? Then when you want to add fonts, you can.. any time, any type. :) Ok... Here goes: Off in the land of daemons is one called xfs (for X Font Server). It, as it's name suggests, serves fonts to the X server, which in turn puts them on your dsplay. For average fonts, it's not even required, as X is capable of rendering it's own fonts. X only falls short in the realm of True Type fonts. That is one of the places that xfs is needed. Another place that xfs finds use is to serve fonts out to network devices (remote X-Terminals such. But that is beyond where I care to go with this discussion. So. Knowing the above, how does one import Windows (or any other) fonts into X? Simple. First, take a look at the directory: /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts There you will find the font directories. You should have a sub directrory something like the following. .../100dpi .../75dpi .../encodings .../mdk .../misc .../PEX .../Speedo .../Type1 There are additional fonts in /usr/share, but we'll get to those later. Within each of these directories are the font files, and two very important files: fonts.dir (the fonts definition file), and fonts.alias (an alias file, as the name would suggest). There may additionaly be a fonts.scale file for scaleable fonts. The first step in adding a large number of fonts is find a place to put them. If you want to bring the windows fonts over, then I'd suggest creating a new directory for them. I've done that on mine, and named it /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Windows Create that directory, then copy the contents of your windows fonts directory into it. Then cd into the directory, and issue: ttmkfdir fonts.dir This will create the fonts.dir file. NOTE: This only works for TT fonts. For conventional fonts use: mkfontdir fonts.dir (the non true-type version). Now. With the fonts.dir file created, we need to tell xfs about this new directory. Go to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs There is a file there named config. Open it with your favorite editor. Look for the section that has the font directrories in it (it's really easy to find, it's a small file). You'll want to add your .../Windows fonts directrory to this list. Mine looks like: catalogue = /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/75dpi:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/100dpi:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/misc:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Type1, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Speedo, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/mdk:unscaled, /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts/Windows, - This one! /usr/share/fonts/default/Type1, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/decoratives, /usr/share/fonts/ttf/western NOTE: You can also add external fonts to /usr/share. And in retrospect, this would have been a more appropriate place to add the Windows fonts. With the .../Windows directory added to this list, comes the really distasteful part. You'll need to reboot your PC. yeah, I know. But every time I've tried to ge around it, I've gotten hung up. One possible way: After you've completed the above: Drop out of X, and kill it (go to a console, and type init 3, to totally shutdown X. Then run service xfs restart to stop start xfs so it will pick up the new fonts. Then restart X, by running init 5, OR startx. This MIGHT get you back up without hanging. I've generally found it best to restart the computer. Before everyone jumps on this, YES, I know, there are ways to add font paths without killing xfs X. I did not do this in this example because it's best to be sure that xfs is still funcitoning properly after having it's config file futz with. And this method supplies a lasting font path, by building it in. You should now however have your new (old) windows fonts available. to summarize the steps: 1) Create populate the new font directory (in either /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fonts, or /usr/share/fonts). 2) Create the fonts.dir file (by running ttmkfdir fonts.dir from within the new font directory). 3) Add the new font directory to /usr/X11R6/lib/X11/fs/config 4) Kill X, restart xfs, and restart X. Broken down, it's really very simple. Want to add more truetype fonts? Pay a visit to fontfreak (http://www.fontfreak.com), and get something interesting. Then add the file to which-ever truetype fonts directory suits your fancy,and seems appropriate. Then just re-run ttmkfdir fonts.dir, and restart. And you'll have your new font. NOTE: There's no need to change the xfs config file if you've not added a new directory. So. Now you know how to do fonts basics by hand. Knowing this, when things go awry (as things GUI powered will form time to time), you'll have a clue as to where to look, and how to fix it. Give a hungry man a fish, and you've fed him for one meal. Teach him to catch his own, and you've fed him for a lifetime. Happy fishing! Ric By
Re: [newbie] MODEMS vs Winmodems
You've actually missed the point about winmodems. It's not that they need a driver to work (If they'll work at all). The problem with them is that they shift the work that normally done by the modem, over to the main system processor, thus sucking valuable CPU cycles. They're parasitic by design, trash the blood suckers, and buy a real modem that does it's own work. Ric Arthur H. Johnson II wrote: Here here! Good post! I have a Lucent and it works Awesome on my Duron 800 at home. It even worked decently find with 166 and 200 Pentiums. Some of us have lives and need to pinch pennies. On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, Joseph Braddock wrote: There sure is a lot of talk about modems and winmodems on this list. At times it sounds like a religious argument! But, I think we do a diservice to people by telling them to run out and buy a true modem whenever they pose a question about a winmodem. While it is true that a real modem (external or internal) is usually easier to setup/install. The fact is that many of these people already have the winmodem in their formerly Windows machines. Winmodems can be a good choice, particularly for the cost concious. I know that not all winmodems work with Linux, but many based on Lucent or PCTel chipsets do. The only problem is that you have to install a driver (usually open-source) for them. If having to install the driver is what causes a problem in recommending them, well, then, we better quit using NVida and most other graphic cards, numerous other IO adapters and the like. Ironically, for people coming from Windows, having to install a driver for a winmodem isn't a show stopper, since most winmodems need drivers installed under windows. (Now compiling the driver, etc. might be intimidating). I guess, what I'm trying to say is that if someone request help in choosing what kind of modem to purchase, buy all means, recommend a hardware modem. But if someone states they have such and such a modem and need help installing it, telling them to go out an buy another modem doesn't answer their question and really isn't of much help. Joe -- Arthur H. Johnson II [EMAIL PROTECTED] The Linux Box http://www.linuxbox.nu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
ROTFL!!! Good one Mark! When I'm home, on my Linux box, VI Pine are tools of choice. Unfortunately here at work, I'm on a Win2k PC (shudder), and Mozilla is the best I can do from here... It serves the purpose. Ric Mark Weaver wrote: :) i'm told that real men us VI and Pine. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Digital Camera use with Linux
Forget gphoto. You don't always need it. I have an Olympus 4040Z. All I do to make it work is: 1) Plug it in (USB) (and turn it on of course) 2) Run modprobe usb-storage 3) mount /dev/sda1 /mnt/cam (set up the mount point ahead of time). 4) cd /mnt/cam/... And enjoy the pictures. Want to just browse through them? Use gqview (on the gnome install). Need to edit them? Use GIMP. It's far better than gphoto anyway (IMHO). Everyone seems to think that you can't see these things without gphoto.. Whith some cameras that may be true. But not the Olympus. It was designed not to require extra drivers. I do this now, and it works like a charm. The same will hold true for the older model 3040Z as well. Enjoy! Ric tazmun wrote: Hello group: In pursuit of making windows a distant memory, I am working towards trying to make sure all my hardware is Linux compliant. Unfortunately windows still lives here as my proficiency with Linux is still lacking. I am considering purchasing an Olympus digital camera that uses smart media cards and is apparently designed to be used with USB interface. I'm hoping the group can save me considerable time and possibly a lot of money by helping me avoid hardware that is questionable or absolutely doesn't work with Linux as well as the best software program available. Currently running 2 boxes one with Mandrake 8.0 and one with Redhat 7.1. As soon as Mandrake releases 8.1 to the local stores I will own Mandrake 8.1 Powerpack Both have USB working in Linux for printers at this point. Is the USB interface to downloading from digital cameras doable or am I better off to stay with the older serial transfer interface. I'm open to suggestions and am willing to spend approximately $300. I admit that I have not researched this much yet. However I am under pressure from my job to get this camera working in the very near future and don't have allot of time to look everything over as thoroughly as I would like. Your experiences and thoughts will be appreciated. Thanks Tazmun Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Multiple nics
Just my 2 cents: Makes no difference at all. I use the same cards baceause I know trust the brands. Also, I only need to update 1 driver if an upgrade is required. I can also depend on getting similar performance from them (not all NICs are created equal!). JMHO Ric Paul wrote: Hi all, I know, this question has been asked before, but I couldn't find the reply in the archives. So, wearing my asbestos suit for the flamethrowers: What's the best option when I want to put 2 NIC's in 1 machine? 2 similar ones (Brand/type), or 2 that are different (like a 3COM and a Realtek etc.) Cable internet has come to town and I want that bad. I already have 1 Realtek-based NIC in the machine and need a second NIC. So, what's the best plan here? Thanks, Paul -- ERROR: Keyboard not attached. Press F1 to continue. http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.6.2 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
Randy Kramer wrote: george wrote: surely, a newbie to a list will note that majority of messages are written in text mode. even if they do start out under msos, if they can read, they must be aware. and surely, if they are under osbs, they have been sending and receiveing email and know when html is enabled. that is if they look at what they are doing. g I'm not so sure about this -- apparently anything they receive is readable. What does plain ASCII email look like in Outlook? I guess I should try looking at some HTML and plain text emails in Outlook and see what they do look like. I have to agree. I'm using Mozilla, and most unformatted HTML mail looks (at a glance) the same as ascii mail. It's easy to miss. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Running W$/DOS Apps on Samba
Yes, and no. If you install Windoze software from a Windoze machine onto a samba share, then yes, you can mount that share, and run the application, and save to that disk space from the windoze box. This is commonly done. If you're asking if you can run the app from the LInux box, then no, you can't do that, without special software. Ric Nicolás Gómez wrote: Hi ... i have a question for you I have 4 windows 9x machines connected to a Mandrake 8.1 Release Candidate Server running samba The question is. Can the Windows Users run an app made for DOS/Windows on the Linux server and save their changes there?.. I know that Samba is like Novell... for sharing files and printers but I don't know if running an application for Windows in the Linux Server with Samba and save their work there could be possible thanks at alla Bytes!! ;-) Nicolas Gómez Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Hostility Levels on the list
I recently made the serious error of replying to a question (on this list), to a person seaking advice on a modem. I did make the mistake of recently switching my mail software, and I missed turning off HTML. I've corrected that. However, I don't think I did anything to warrent being called names. Perhaps the folks on a newbie list could learn to say thank you to those who respond to their questions, and not start with the name calling. Or perhaps the next time, they'll get far fewer responses. The brief exchange is included below for everyones entertainment. The hostile individual was Kari Suomela [EMAIL PROTECTED] I seldom let things like this burn me. But this person went out of their way just to insult someone who tried to help. Maybe the rest of you will remember the name when more questions are asked. Have a good day Ric - The exchange - Sorry about the HTML. I thought I had that turned off. And: I did send that to the list. I sent it with a reply to all as is customary. Not in a posting to a list. Welcome to my twit filter! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Other screens than :0?
No, you don't need a second card. You can run multiple X sessions on a single card. I had a quick glance at the log file, but am unsure of the nature of the problem. How do you start X now? (xdm?, or startx?) Ric Jesse Hepburn wrote: The :0 represents display 0 on your system. If you had a second graphics card you could use :1 to display on that monitor (with the second card) Cheers, Jesse -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Paul Sent: Thursday, August 16, 2001 11:26 PM To: newbie Subject: Re: [newbie] Other screens than :0? It was Wed, 15 Aug 2001 13:44:25 -0500 when emammendes wrote: Hello I tried what you said but the same error came out. I have attached the log file in case you want to have a look. Many thanks Eduardo I had a look, but I am not that much an expert on the technicalities... I hope someone else can get you out of this problem. Paul -- We will either find a way, or make one. -Hannibal http://nlpagan.net - Registered Linux User 174403 Linux Mandrake 8.0 - Sylpheed 0.5.3 ** http://www.care2.com - when you care ** Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Login Manager
Check in /etc/inittab for prefdm (I don't remember where prefdm is, and I'm not near a linux box at the moment). Within that file, is the definition for which login manager you will be using. Just change it to the desired login manager kdm,gdm, or xdm... Ric Dave Sherman wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 24 September 2001 03:35 pm, Dave Naylor wrote: Hi On Monday 24 September 2001 21:24, you wrote: Its annoying me that I cant figure this out, but how does one change from the default KDM Login Manager to say GDM? 1. Make sure that gdm is installed (it probably is). 2. Edit the file /etc/sysconfig/desktop, and change KDE to GNOME Hey I'd actually figured things out up to there by examing every script I could find. Thing is though, there isnt a /etc/sysconfig/desktop file? Whats the format? Interesting that you don't have such a file. In my desktop file, there is just a single word: KDE (GNOME also works to start gdm on my system, I have tried it, but decided I prefer kdm even though I run Ximian Gnome for my desktop). Dave - -- Nihil tam munitum quod non expugnari pecunia possit. (No fortification is such that it cannot be subdued with money.) - - Marcus Tullius Cicero, 106-43 B.C. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE7r5slA68l26XsZUYRAuPkAJ4zYZXhs3jUYdP0Fvtd89Rr2QqZiQCfUmiz sCPg+Q5NuR8oKf14XX0ru5A= =qqmU -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Need a cheap non-Winmodem
I've always had excelent luck with US Robotics Sportsters. No too expensive, and rock stable. Even though I'm on DSL now, I still have my USR hooked up. I use it for faxing now. :) JMHO. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Printer suggestions needed
I'm not sure what I'd tweak... It seems to print ok, but it has no pure ascii mode. It does everything as graphics (nice grey scale text, and lines...), and it's hopelessly slow. I still have my old HP. So the thought is to only use the Epson for photo work (from winders (ugh)), and use the HP for ascii. I really dislike that solution. But reprots are that the photo print quality on the HP Photosmart 1000 is not as good as the Epson 785EPX. So I guess I'll have to accept the limitations to get the quality I was looking for. Ric s wrote: On Friday 21 September 2001 12:07 pm, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Thanks for all the suggestions. For some pretty lame reasons, I ended up with the Epson 785EPX. Does a great job... From Winders. Linux doesn't fair so well. It works kind of, but it's not actually supported. I had to configure it as a 780, with so - so results. I may take it back and get the HP. I KNOW it's supported. Or... I'll just wait a short time for Linux to catch up. :) It's a very new printer, so I'm not surprised it's not supported yet. But a short wait should fix that problem. Ric Depending on your problems, maybe you could tweak it in qt-cups properties. -s Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Digital Cameras
Price varies depending on where you get it. MSRP is $1099 (but don't pay that!!) you can find them from many online resalers for $700-800 Not cheap, but this is a 4.1 MgeaPixel , 3x Zoom camera, with exceptional quality. I'm not even worried about getting gimp to recognize it. I can mount it as a scsi device, and just go get the pictures as a regular file. No sweat, no problems, no need to aquire the source. It's a USB device, so you need to run modprobe usb-storage to initialize the device. After that it's available to mount, with (in my case): mount /dev/sda1 -t vfat /mnt/cam From there, the files in the camera are available under /mnt/cam So easy it hurts. forget trying to get gimp, or gphoto to recognize the camera, it just doesn't need to! Ok.. With SOME cameras it does. Some cameras do require special drives to make them available. It's a failing of many of them. The Olympus S4040 does NOT. It makes life just that little bit easier. :) Cheers! Ric Hmm... I must like this camera, I sound like a fsck'ing salesman! :) Now I just need to get a good, inexpensive photo printer to go with it. Charles A. Punch wrote: I have a few questions. What's the price (I'm window shopping for future reference)? And How do you get The GIMP to recognize it? ShalomOut Chal Elder PCUSA Registered Linux user #217118 Barth's Distinction: There are two types of people: those who divide people into two types, and those who don't. Ric Tibbetts wrote: All; I just thought I'd pass this along. Over the weekend I picked up the new Olympus S4040 Digital Camera (impressive little camera!). If any one is interested in these cameras, rest assured, it worked with Linux right out of the box! I just hooked it up to the USB, and mounted the device (/dev/sda1 in my case). It was identified as a SCSI emulated mass storage device. Very very simple to hook up use. So even though it's not on the hardware compatability list, it does work. BTW: I'm running MDK 8.0, on an intel box. Now I just need to get gphoto to recognize it. Not too much luck there, but I really don't care too much, gimp will do. Anyway, just thought I'd pass that along. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com message.footer Content-Type: text/plain Content-Encoding: 8bit Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: journaling and upgrading (Re: [newbie] a filesystem question)
Charles A. Punch wrote: Tom Brinkman wrote: On Monday 17 September 2001 10:57 am, Matt Greer escribió: on 9/17/01 10:20 AM, Tom Brinkman at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: but I'd recommend switching to a journaling FS ASAP. You should have already. What exactly is a journaling file system? What does it mean that it journals? http://www.google.com/search?q=journaling+file+systembtnG=Google+Search Also, with 8.1 around the corner, what does it take to upgrade? If I were to upgrade 8.1 over my 8.0 system, do most things remain intact? Do I need to reconfigure everything? Anything to watch out for? I never upgrade. I always do fresh installs. I have never upgraded either. It seems that all the experts on this list are against it, but you can also do a fresh install without formatting your home partititon. I've only done it that way once and I'm not sure what you want to remain intact. I think any apps that you replace will have to be reconfigured. The advantage to me, was to keep my data intact. OS Upgrades are evil, and should be avoided. Even on my large enterprise servers, when it's time for a new OS, I do fresh installs. Some things I've done to aid this: I use seperate filesystems for all major areas of the system. When it's time to re-install, I can save many of my apps, and my home directories. Then the install only affects the system portions of the disk. A typical cross section of one of my systems might look like: / | /usr | Systems area. /var | A seperate disk if possible /tmp| /opt (where I install apps. Very often an NFS mount) /usr/local (for apps specific to a particular box) /usr/src (for source code, and kernels) /home (um.. home directries. Normally an NFS mount) /archive (just a stash. A place to store stuff) - and so on - When I do an install, the only area(s) that get reformatted are /, /usr, /var, /tmp The rest I leave alone. This has been a very successful approach for me. Also, by keeping the system on a seperate (small) disk, you will see some performance improvements, and less loss in the case of a disk failure. There is the occational app that might need re-installing, or rebuilding because of large changes in libs. But as a whole, it works out very well for me. Ric Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Digital Cameras
All; I just thought I'd pass this along. Over the weekend I picked up the new Olympus S4040 Digital Camera (impressive little camera!). If any one is interested in these cameras, rest assured, it worked with Linux right out of the box! I just hooked it up to the USB, and mounted the device (/dev/sda1 in my case). It was identified as a SCSI emulated mass storage device. Very very simple to hook up use. So even though it's not on the hardware compatability list, it does work. BTW: I'm running MDK 8.0, on an intel box. Now I just need to get gphoto to recognize it. Not too much luck there, but I really don't care too much, gimp will do. Anyway, just thought I'd pass that along. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] telnetscript
Paul wrote: Hello! I want to write a script that makes telnet to log in and send some commands How do I do? Hi Magnus, I think redirecting would work: your script could be open your-host-name-here command1 command2 command3 exit and then you simply do telnet scriptname I can't check the validity here, but I do the same with FTP. Paul Why not just use rsh? This is what it's made to do. Ric
Re: [newbie] Why doesn't StarOffice 5.2 appear on KPanel?
Same problem here. StarOffice used to install itself into the KDE panel. In fact the installation still claimes it does that, but it doesn't actually work. I suspect that the problem is with KDE 2.x. Too many changes. Ric Simon Zarate wrote: You can run StarOffice in konsole, go to directory and run ./soffice. You can make a shortcut to this link. Remember,is possible that staroffice take 1 or two minutes to start, depending on your machine and the speed of your hard disk. Simon From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Why doesn't StarOffice 5.2 appear on KPanel? Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 18:09:23 -0400 Barry Premeaux wrote: Romanator wrote: Hi everybody, Has any one been successful in having StarOffice 5.2 appear on KPanel after installation in LM8? I can't get it to work. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 I had to go into the Menu Editor and manually add it. The executable for me was: /home/barry/office52/soffice Now if Sun would only come up with a KDE compatible icon, it would round it out nicely. Barry :-) Hi Barry, The weird thing is that StarOffice 5.x used to install really well with LM7.2. Argh... Thanks for responding. Roman _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [newbie] Why doesn't StarOffice 5.2 appear on KPanel?
tester8080 wrote: On Tuesday 05 June 2001 19:50, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Same problem here. StarOffice used to install itself into the KDE panel. In fact the installation still claimes it does that, but it doesn't actually work. I suspect that the problem is with KDE 2.x. Too many changes. Ric Simon Zarate wrote: You can run StarOffice in konsole, go to directory and run ./soffice. You can make a shortcut to this link. Remember,is possible that staroffice take 1 or two minutes to start, depending on your machine and the speed of your hard disk. Simon From: Romanator [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] CC: Barry Premeaux [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [newbie] Why doesn't StarOffice 5.2 appear on KPanel? Date: Sat, 02 Jun 2001 18:09:23 -0400 Barry Premeaux wrote: Romanator wrote: Hi everybody, Has any one been successful in having StarOffice 5.2 appear on KPanel after installation in LM8? I can't get it to work. Roman Registered Linux User #179293 I had to go into the Menu Editor and manually add it. The executable for me was: /home/barry/office52/soffice Now if Sun would only come up with a KDE compatible icon, it would round it out nicely. Barry :-) Hi Barry, The weird thing is that StarOffice 5.x used to install really well with LM7.2. Argh... Thanks for responding. Roman _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com. Well, try this KMenu-Configure Panel-Add-Button-Menu-Office-StarOffice Then you will have a panel button. Yes, but you shouldn't have to. That's the point. StarOffice claims that it installed the icon to the panel during install, and it doesn't work. The question from the original poster was more wondering if it was just him/her, or if everyone was having the same problem. I think the answer is obvious: Yes, everyone is having that problem. Ric
Re: [newbie] Why doesn't StarOffice 5.2 appear on KPanel?
A cursory guess: KDE 2.x underwent some massive changes. Obviously, the methods for adding icons to the panel changed. I'd say this needs to be taken back to the StarOffice folks as a bug report. (I had the same problem with a Redhat install, with KDE 2.x, so it's not Mandrake specific.). Ric Ed Kasky wrote: This is exactly the issue. Anyone figure out why yet? Ed At 11:59 AM 6/5/2001 -0700, Ric Tibbetts wrote: Yes, but you shouldn't have to. That's the point. StarOffice claims that it installed the icon to the panel during install, and it doesn't work. The question from the original poster was more wondering if it was just him/her, or if everyone was having the same problem. I think the answer is obvious: Yes, everyone is having that problem.
Re: [newbie] monitor resolution
Edit the order of the fonts in the xfs config file: vi /etc/X11/fs/config (it probably has the 75 point first and the 100point second. Reverse that, and put the 100 point first.). Then, stop restart xfs: service xfs restart Then stop restart X (a little trickier). If you're using kdm/gdm Select the Restart X Server option from the pull down. If you're booting to run level 3 (console loging, and running startx by hand: STOP IT!).. oh.. excuse me. Just log out to the console, and log back in. You should now have the revised fonts. It's possible that you MAY have to re-boot. X generally doesn't like you messing with it's fonts while it's running... Ric Edward Barrow wrote: How do I configure xfree86 4 to produce legible fonts while still using the highest resolution on my monitor? The KDE help centre suggests editing the order of the fonts lines in xf86config, but there are no such lines, just a note saying that a font server is now used. Where is the relevant config file for the font server? under windows I used 125dpi fonts so it is not surprising that 75dpi are illegible Edward Barrow
Re: [newbie] newaliases error..
Probably a formatting error in /etc/aliases. Send along an example. Ric Franki wrote: Hi all, I am getting these messages whenever I try to run newaliases I was getting it with my normal file, so I changed it to a clean file from the rpm update, and it still does it.. /etc/aliases: line 18: daemon... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 19: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 19: games... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 20: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 20: ingres... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 21: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 21: nobody... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 22: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 22: system... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 23: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 23: toor... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 24: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 24: uucp... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 27: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 27: manager... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 28: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 28: dumper... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 29: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 29: operator... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: line 32: buildaddr: no mailer in parsed address /etc/aliases: line 32: decode... cannot alias non-local names /etc/aliases: 0 aliases, longest 0 bytes, 0 bytes total Does anyone know why this is??? regards Frank
Re: [newbie] cdrom trouble =/
If it burned the first one, then I doubt that the problem with the second is the burner. I would more suspect that the ISO image was damaged before you tried to burn it (fairly common to see them get corrupt on download. You should always check the md5sum before you burn them. I'd suggest re-downloading the second iso. Verify it, then re-burn it. Ric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi there master of mandrake =] ik have some trouble with my iso copies of your mandrake cd's. CD1 works fine no problem there but when i insert cd2 it over with the fun... =[ during installation there is no problem but ik got a little video player to play avi and quicktime files but during instalation it asked for cd2 (wich din't work) no is my question can i get a official copy of mandrake 8.0 on normal cd's or do you advice (a new cd-romdrive) i have a burner installed in that system and its a nameless burner but i worked fine under windows but i tried installing mandrake on my main system (pc1_windows98 // pc2_linux_mandrake 8.0) and cd2 runs normaly with no problems but i still like to play games so i switched to pc2 for my mandrake install =] it run's better then exp. even my tv-card works better than in windows =] so a new cd drive i suppose or a new drivers (it used to use philps driver under windows)
Re: [newbie] OT: Network Hub Question
There are many. Personally, considering the prices, I'd look at a switch, not a hub. For just a little bit more money, you get much better performance. It just depends on the size of the network. Linksys makes a good one, as does 3com. Ric Jamie Kerwick wrote: We are looking at setting up a test small network at work , and are wanting a cheapish hub. I was looking at getting a Netgear DS108. Which i also have at home (its work great peer-to-peer). The real question i want to know is will this hub work when connected to a server (ie managed as apposed to the unmanaged setup i have at home). The idea is the small network will have a test win2000 server on it, then adding Linux boxes to it _ Get Your Private, Free E-mail from MSN Hotmail at http://www.hotmail.com.
Re: [newbie] More hardisk space
The short answer: Yes, it's possible. The slightly longer answer: You need to look into LVM (or Logical Volume Manager) to do this. The following links should help you along with that. Part 1 of Logical Volume Management by IBM. This is part 1 of a 2 part set. (note: there are many white papers on this web site by IBM. Well worth looking at!) http://www-106.ibm.com/developerworks/linux/library/l-lvm/?dwzone=linux Also take a look at: http://www.sistina.com (they support the LVM code utilities. Hope that helps! Ric Phil Curtis wrote: Hello all, I used to use Novell Netware and I could used to be able to merge two disk volumes (disk partions±) together, to create a large volume (i.e. 10gb on HD1 + 20Gb on HD2) could give me a 30Gb volume. Is it possible to do the same with Linux? What I mean I create a directory called /work and then I mount two 40gb discs in this partition to give me 80Gb of space in the /work directory, or something similar. Also, how can I turn a directory / file stucture into an ISO image. Also, is it possible to mount to ISO images in the same directory. For example I create the directory /Mandrake and the I mount the two ISO images for LM8 in the SAME directory? Thanks All. --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.255 / Virus Database: 128 - Release Date: 17-May-01
Re: [newbie] More hardisk space
This is exactly where LVM comes in. You set up a Volume Group. This can combine multiple disks (or even partitions) into a single logical unit, which you then work with as a single disk. The articles I indicated outline the philosiphy of Logical Volumes Volume Groups much better than I will try to do here. But to really shorten it up: Say you had a system with 3 disks in it. Say you wanted one of them for root (/, /usr/, /var . . . etc..), and the other two for data. You could leave the first as is, and install the system on it (yes, you could make it a volume group too, but let's keep this simpler than that). Once the system is installed (ignoring the other two disks during the install). You could create a single Volume Group encompasing both those disks into a single logical unit.(you would do this without creating any partitions on the disks first!!). Then create Logical Volumes on the disks. (these would be a logical replacement for partitions). Then create your filesystems on the logical volumes. (once you get your head around logical volume management it all makes a lot of sense). Why do this you ask? If those two drives were 9GB each, you would essentially have a single logical dirve of 18 GB, and you would work with it that way. More importantly: If you didn't allocate ALL 18GB to start out with. Let's say you built logical volumes filesystems like so: /opt 5GB /usr/src 4GB /usr/local 4GB And saved the rest for later use (with this, you don't have to (or want to) partition the whole disk). Well, later arrives, and you discover that /usr/src is growing way too fast, and you need more space (sound familiar?). You can go in, and expand the logical volume, and then the filesystem that's sitting on it (if you have an expandable filesystem. I would recomend either XFS, or JFS. But some like ReiserFS). Oh.. and you can expand the filesystem, without rebooting the box! Then later, you learned that you need a new filsystem. Say the customer wants a filesystem for off the shelf software. Easy: Create a new Logical volume on the exta space on that volume group, and build a filsystem on it. Again, without rebooting. Oops.. Don't need that new fielsystem... Delete it. Again: without rebooting... hmm.. filled up that volume group. On SCSI? Good news. You can add disks to the volume group. (ok, you'll probably have to power the box down for this one to do the physical connection), but once it's in, you're back in business, adding subtracting filesystems while the box is running. If you're not familar with Logical Volume Management, it can take some time to get your head around. But once you get it, it's well worth the investment in time. This is fairly new to Linux, but it's been with the big boys for a long time. Starting with IBM on AIX several years ago. Spend some time at the links I provided. If you're running a production server, with lots of disks in it, you'll be glad you did. Also, take a look at journaled filesystems. Again, with a production box, with lots of disks, well worth the investment in time. Ric David E. Fox wrote: I used to use Novell Netware and I could used to be able to merge two disk volumes (disk partions±) together, to create a large volume (i.e. 10gb on HD1 + 20Gb on HD2) could give me a 30Gb volume. I am not sure if you can *physically* merge the two partitions into one physical volume. But you may not need to do this. The Unix (linux too) file system allows you to physically mount separate drives / partitions underneath a tree, and the result is that all the files on those partitions appear beneath the directory you mounted the partitions on (the mount point). For instance, the root of all filesystems is '/' in a Unix system. Under- neath that, you might have /usr, /home, /var, /tmp, etc. These directories could either be hosted on one large partition, or be spread over several smaller partitions. Suppose you put /home on a separate partition - then when you mounted that disk on /home, you'd just be attaching its files to the main directory tree at '/'. Someone going into /home/dfox/whatever/junk/ would be actually getting files from another disk partition. Is it possible to do the same with Linux? What I mean I create a directory called /work and then I mount two 40gb discs in this partition to give me If you separated the two logically, you could have /work/disk1 and /work/disk2 both on the filesystem. Each disk would be mounted on either disk1 or disk 2. Unfortunately, you can't mount both filesystems on one mount point. Through some creative (and perhaps complex) mapping schemes (done with symbolic links) you can make it *appear* that both filesystems are mapped to various entries in /work transparently, and make it look like you have one large area when in reality, you have two (or more) smaller and physically separate areas underneath /work. How you
Re: [newbie] Windows Font Installer takes a very long time to install fonts in LM8
A V Flinsch wrote: On Monday 28 May 2001 20:45, Romanator wrote: Hi all, I was trying to install the Windows fonts in Mandrake Control Center. I have been waiting 15 minutes and it is still installing. Is this normal? The version of drakfont included with 8.0 takes a very long time to do the install, The version from cooker is faster. kfontinst is faster than drakfont, and has the ability to add/preview and remove fonts The fastest way is to do a ttmkfdir mkfontdir from the commandline and then edit /etc/X11/fs/config Did they change ttmkfdir? I always used to just run: ttmkfdir fonts.dir (from the tt font directory), Then edit /etc/X11/fs/config to add the new font path. Admittedly, I haven't done this from MDK 8.0. Is ttmkfdir different now? Thnx! Ric
Re: [newbie] Compressing files with zip
Use tar. tar -czvf /destination/archive name.tar.gz /directory to tar.zip So if you wanted to zip up /home into /tmp: tar -czvf /tmp/home.tar.gz /home Will create a compressed tar file named home.tar.gz (or alternately home.tgz) in /tmp containing all of /home You can open these on Win98 with WinZip. Ric Michael D. Viron wrote: Marcia, If you have win 98, you can install a program called winzip (www.winzip.com), which will handle .tar.gz files, or you can try zip on linux--not sure if it'll deal with a directory though. Michael -- Michael Viron Senior Systems Administration Consultant Web Spinners, University of West Florida At 12:24 PM 05/25/2001 -0400, Marcia Waller wrote: Dear All, I would like to compress a directory with the zip format so that I may send it to my Win98 laptop through email. How may I do this by hand? I need to print out some info and I still cannot get my Epson Stylus Color to work with LM8 so I am forced to send the files to my laptop. My laptop only has Win98 which is why I want to use the zip format.Thanks for your help. Sincerely, Marcia Waller
Re: [newbie] OT: Intel Performance
Wow, some great comments! Thanks to everyone who has replied to this. Something to keep in mind on this: I'm not representing this data as authoritative, nor as a help me fix this performance problem. I'm presenting it only as a topic of interest. It seemed to touch a note with me. To address some of the replies: First off, there is only so fast setiathome will go. And 8 hours per set is about the speed limit on anything but Sun sparc stations, running Sun OS (for some strange reason, they're faster, but that's a whole different conversation!). I've run it on Enterprise level HP servers, IBM SP/2 Complexes, and PCs, and found very little variation on the per-cpu processing time (NOTE: Since setiathome is single threaded, runing on an SMP system is faster only because you run more than one instance...). I'd not seen a large difference, until I fired it up on this PIII (and a few others around here). So, having said that. A brief comparison: The SMP PII 266. Running Linux (Redhat 6.2). Disks: integrated SCSI Fast Wide/Ultra. (adaptec). Memory 128 MB Average Processing speed: 8 hours per cpu (2 instances running) PII 400 UP Disks IDE, whatever I had handy to throw in it. Memory 256 MB Operating systems: Win2k, Win98, Linux (Mandrake 8.0), and Solaris 8.0 (busy box...) Average processing speed: 8 hours (regardless of OS. I only see minor variations is processing speed between the different OSs. The fastest being Linux Solaris). The PIII 650 Laptop UP Disks: Whatever Dell threw in it at the factory (IDE) Memory: 128 MB Operating System: Win98 Average processing speed (I checked this): 72-80 hours. I only have it ruinning as the screen saver on the laptop, but it's in that mode 16 hours a day, and all week-end. That's not a reason for the slow performance. It's doing NOTHING else at that point. I've also disabled the power management, so it's not shutting down, or sleeping.. I thought of that already. Nearly every machine I've seen runs these around 8-12 hours each. But this one. Nor some other PIII machines around here. I reflected on this, only because I was seeing people reporting slow performance with KDE (among other things) with PIII systems, and it sparked a note with me. Could be a problem with the PIII's, or there is code in the newer Linux that some PIII's just don't process well. I'm only presenting this as a point of interest. I may present this to the satiathome list, and see if I can get any others witnessing the same performance. (the fastest I've gotten setiathome to run: 96 sets a day. But, that was on a 32 processor cluster. :) But the average speed of seti was still about 8 hours per set, per processor. s wrote: I don't know, there are alot of depends... I have a PIII 733 that puts out a work unit in about 12 hours, and a PIII 667 that puts em out in about 11 and 1/2. Thing is the 733 has 256 ram and a 7200 rpm hdd, while the 667 has 512 ram on a 5400 rpm hdd. So my point is while your comparing cpu don't forget to factor in the amount of ram, bus size, and hdd mb/s and other processes running. -s On Wednesday 23 May 2001 05:26 pm, you wrote: I thought this was interesting. I have an older 400 PII, and a newer 650 PIII (laptop). Using Setiathome as a performance curve to compare by, there is something amiss with PIII processors. My 400 PII will complete a set of Seti data is an average of 8 hours (my dual 266 PII will complete one set every eight hours, per CPU, so it pumps out 2 in 8 hours). The PIII takes 50 hours! per set. Just a data point. The PIII is a laptop, on a different OS. But if I boot my 400 PII in that OS, it will still complete them in 8 hours, vs. 50 on the PIII I find this very interesting. While the PIII shows some performance abilities that the PII does not (it multi-tasks better, and smoother), there are some things that the PIII seems to just suck at! What's just as interesting is that it's not consistant. There are similar machines areound me here at work. Some scream, some crawl. All with similar set ups. It has me wondering if Intel has a QA problem? This could be an indication of why some people are reporting performace problems with Mandrake 8.0 / KDE, and others are not. Just a thought. :) Ric
Re: [newbie] Free86 key sequences
The console terminals are: Ctrl+Alt+F[1-6] The X sessions are: Ctrl+Alt+F[7-12] The default session (the one most everyone sees is Ctrl+Alt+F7 Yes, you can run more than one X session at a time. Ric [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When breaking out of X to go to another virtual terminal (using Ctrl+Alt+Fxx), how do you bring X back up? I noticed that doing this doesn't kill X like doing Ctrl+Alt+Backspace, so I would think that there would be a way to get back in. When looking at the man page, I didn't see a key sequence for this. -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] CD Writer
I have the Yamaha (internal SCSI version), and am very happy with it. It's been solid, and reliable since I installed it. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have Matshita CDRW 7585, works good, no problems so far. I have a Creative Labs 4224E. Old and slow but it works. I would recomend you to check the supported hardware list on LM web page. TezcatlipocA On Monday 21 May 2001 12:34, you wrote: Hi, I am going to buy a cd writer soonand I was just wondering if anyone has any suggestions or good experiences to share? Thanks, Jord -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
[newbie] OT: Intel Performance
I thought this was interesting. I have an older 400 PII, and a newer 650 PIII (laptop). Using Setiathome as a performance curve to compare by, there is something amiss with PIII processors. My 400 PII will complete a set of Seti data is an average of 8 hours (my dual 266 PII will complete one set every eight hours, per CPU, so it pumps out 2 in 8 hours). The PIII takes 50 hours! per set. Just a data point. The PIII is a laptop, on a different OS. But if I boot my 400 PII in that OS, it will still complete them in 8 hours, vs. 50 on the PIII I find this very interesting. While the PIII shows some performance abilities that the PII does not (it multi-tasks better, and smoother), there are some things that the PIII seems to just suck at! What's just as interesting is that it's not consistant. There are similar machines areound me here at work. Some scream, some crawl. All with similar set ups. It has me wondering if Intel has a QA problem? This could be an indication of why some people are reporting performace problems with Mandrake 8.0 / KDE, and others are not. Just a thought. :) Ric
Re: [newbie] mount win files
kaab kaoutar wrote: By the way how to unmount :() umount /mnt I mean if i delete the mounted files does it delete from windws ? :( Yes it will! Don't do that!
Re: [newbie] Performance issues with Mandrake 8
Irv wrote: From: Pelle Poluha [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [newbie] Performance issues with Mandrake 8 Hello! I'm working as a developer and needs a stable environment to develop and test deployments in. So I want to switch from Windows. I need stability but at the same time I want speed and a practical UI (read GUI). I need a smooth file manager, easy access to OS, an editor, browser, email client (the usual I guess) and a C++ Java IDE. That you'll have - but not with KDE 2, I'm afraid. Even people with 1ghz / 256 mb machines have reported slowness. My 300mhz / 128 meg pc is too slow to be usable, but not quite as slow as you report - usually KDE takes 30-40 seconds, and new apps or windows 10 - 20 seconds. The good news is that KDE 1.x works just fine. Try an older version of Mandrake or SuSE or RedHat. They're all plenty fast. I feel compelled to add to this. I'm running LM 8.0 w/KDE2 on a 400 PII, with great success! I've experienced NONE of the slowness reported. While I admit that some of the lean mean windows managers come up a lot faster, they're also doing a lot less for you. KDE is more than just a window manager, it's a desktop environment. Big difference. Anyway. Just wanted to throw that in. My KDE 2. runs great on a 400 PII. It has a modest 256MB ram, and about 30GB of disk to roam on. I'd suggest anyone getting performance as slow as is being reported, needs to do some serious digging into their configurations. Something is wrong. Ric I opted for Mandrake because I've heard a lot of good things about it. So I downloaded 8.0 last week and eagerly installed it on my AMD K333 machine (96 mb, Riva TNT) on a 2 gig partition. As I've followed the development of KDE with great interest, I chose KDE as default windows manager (and it has KDevelop). But it's really slow. Just loading Mandrake takes like 3-4 minutes. Some of it, I can understand. In the installation process, I included lots of apps and some of them gets loaded when Mandrake starts (like MySql and postgres, probably some more servers). But that surely doesn't account for the immensly slow loading of the OS. And then I start KDE... It takes another 2-3 minutes. And using it is awful. Loading a simple app might take 10-20 secs and everything just crawls. I just can't use it. I tried Window Maker instead and it worked better. But I don't want to drop KDE just yet. There must be something wrong with the configuration. I also tried Gnome but it started to look for a trash folder which it didn't find. Although I canceled that search, it seemed like it continued to search for the folder because the hd were working really hard all the time and everything worked even slower than in KDE. There are also some more strange things happening: - when I leave the windows manager and come to the 'console', I get a line typed on the screen all the time: Sending ICMP signal...failed (or something like that). It effectively stops me from working in console mode. - it seems like I've lost my internet connection. During installation, I selected 'DHCP-server' when asked for IP address. And I managed to do some surfing using Konqueror. But after installing Gnome and Window Maker, something must have happened to the configuration. - shutting down or restaring the OS always hangs the machine. - when I start Windows instead, using the boot manager, the initial loading process seems to be slower now than before. It's not a big deal because it works fine when Windows is loaded but it might give a clue to why the system is so slow when I start Linux. Please advice! Regards, Pelle Poluha Sweden -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] How do I start kde2?
If you're startde from graphical login, there is a drop down selector. Ric marshall weber wrote: Hi folks, I just upgraded to Mandrake 8.0. I thought I configured it for kde2 but gnome comes up. I would prefer using kde2. I think it's installed but I'm not sure. Thanks. Marshall Marshall L.Weber Applications Analyst Information Services Northwest Airlines, Inc.
Re: [newbie] test
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[newbie] New Install, can't find CD
Ok, this is so bad it hurts. I'm trying to load Mandrake 8.0 on an older box (an aging 75mhz Pentium), to set up as a firewall box. I've run Linux on it in the past, but it's been retired for a year or so. Anyway. I have to boot it from a floppy (it won't boot from a CD). So I made the floppy, and loaded the disk, and the CD, and hit the switch. It came up on the floppy ok, then it fails to find the CD. It's just a generic old IDE CD ROM drive. Nothing fancy (just older). The kernel seems to identify it on boot up, but the install program won't recognize it. it fails, then I get the option to pick one from a list. I do that, and it asks for options to boot from... This is way harder than it needs to be. :) any suggestions on how to get this thing to find the CD? Thanks!! Ric
Re: [newbie] How to unnstall Linux?
Sorry to see you go. Maybe you'll have better luck the next time. Uninstalling is easier than some would indicate. But you need to prep the disk. Fire up Linux first. Drop to a console (if you booted into an X login screen, just hit [Ctrl-F1]. Log in as root. (assuming the Linux drive is the first/only drive, and it's ide) fdisk /dev/hda delete all partitions! write changes exit fdisk. Power down the machine (at this point, there's nothing to hurt). Boot with a windows (dos) floppy, with fdisk on it. fdisk the drive (again), and create a new dos/windows partition. Make it active bootable. Write exit. - It's best to use the fdisk that belongs to the OS you're going to install. You could have done this with the Linux fdisk, but I've seen that be problematic. Also, windows fdisk has problems removing Linux partitions. To be sure the MBR is clear, run fdisk /mbr (without the quotes). Good idea to format the disk at this point. Run format c: (without the quotes). Then toss your Windows CD into the drive, reboot, and re-install windows. That's all there is to it. Good luck, and I hope we see you back again soon. Ric g wrote: Can someone tell me how to unistall LM? I've given it a valiant effort, but I must return to Windows. No sound, screen resolution is hosed, tried to upgrade to LM 8.0, lost the mouse and lost screen resolution. Wife kids want their pc and programs back. It was an interesting 2 month adventure. A Big Thanks to all of you who tried to help me along the way. This is still to advanced for me. Ya never know unless you try. Maybe when it gets to LM 10.0 I'll try a dual boot system Good Luck on your continued development. G -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] How do I track what has happened after: make install
Hylton Clarke wrote: This is a question that I am sure will help all of us on this list. I wanted to install Xine, the other day, and it is still broken, but that is another story :) During that process I had to install tarballs from the net, I had to untar them, run ./configure, make and make install. After doing so I wondered, what has happened to my system, when I ran these different make installs? How can I track all the files that have been installed, which files were removed, if any permissions were changed, directories added, removed? There must be a way to run some command before an install, then run a command afterward, and then compare the differences, but I mean ALL the differences that an install could possibly have changed. I want to be able to roll back if an install gives problems. When I'm installing software from tar balls, I always keep a log of the install. Just do something like: make install /var/log/x_softare_install.log 2 /var/log/x_software_install.err Then you have a text record of the install to go back to if you need to uninstall. Also, some (not all) newer software has a make uninstall option. Nice when it's there. Hope that helps. -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] KOffice Problem
Try opening a window, and starting it from the command line. Many times you can get the error messages that way, and get a clearer idea of what's failing. Graham Watkins wrote: Hello Folks, A little problem - I just installed KOffice 2.01 over the top of the version that came with Mandrake 7.2. This appeared to go OK but now it won't start. When I try to start it, I get the revolving disk icon on the KDE taskbar but it then disappears and ... er that's it. All the files seem to be installed- not that I'm an expert. Do I need to configure, or otherwise tweak anything to get a result? -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] Switching from LM 7.0 to Win2000 Pro
Victor Richardson wrote: I know this is going to get me a serious heckling, but... Unfortunately, my boss wants me to switch one of our (very stable) Mandrake servers to Win2000 Pro (only) for a tester. The problem I keep running into is that I cannot get the server to boot from the Windows install cd. It goes through bios check, spins the cd for a bit, and then proceeds on with the normal boot. I have even downloaded the 4 install disks and run into a disk I/O error on the first one. I talked to Toshiba's support desk (it's a M500 -PIII 500 mHz) and they said that I need to repartition the disk, then format and install. Does this mean wiping out the MBR? What should I do? I know all sorts of good jokes automatically come to mind, but this is fairly serious. Any suggestions appreciated, Victor Check your bios settings. What I've seen happen in these cases is that the hard drive is listed first in the boot list, and the cd after that. If that's the case, as long as there is a valid boot image on the HD, it will boot there. Change the boot list to look more like: 1) Floppy 2) CD 3) Harddrive Then try it again. __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] Thanks to everyone for helping w/ the Win2000 install
Victor Richardson wrote: One thing I did notice was that Microsoft assured everyone that Win2000 would put an end to endless reboots when installin and uninstalling software. coughchokewheeze I have a win2k, and this just ain't so... But enjoy. -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] Install Alsa, Kernel and Reiserfs
g wrote: I found the msg from Mark Weaver re; installing RPM's I put Alsa, Kernel and Reiserfs rpms in a separate directory called T I enter the command and received the following msg: [root@dhcp-202-6 T]# rpm -ivh --test *.rpm file /sbin/mkreiserfs from install of reiserfs-utils-2.2.19_3.5.29-4.1mdk confli cts with file from package reiserfs-utils-2.2.17_3.5.26-21mdk file /sbin/reiserfsck from install of reiserfs-utils-2.2.19_3.5.29-4.1mdk confli cts with file from package reiserfs-utils-2.2.17_3.5.26-21mdk file /sbin/resize_reiserfs from install of reiserfs-utils-2.2.19_3.5.29-4.1mdk c onflicts with file from package reiserfs-utils-2.2.17_3.5.26-21mdk What do i do now? You're trying to install packages that are already on the system. If you want to keep the ones you have: Do nothing. If you want to update the older packages (as it appears that you're trying to do) run: rpm -Fvh whatever.pkg.rpm -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] rm 'ing stuff
Randy Kramer wrote: Try /bin/rm -r folder/ but be careful, you will get no second chance. Y'all be careful with that! I had a Jr. admin helping me clean up a production server one day. She went to clean out an old directory (she was in the dir at the time). So she (rather quickly) typed rm -rf . /* Oops! The space between the . and the / made all the difference.. :) She got to practice rebuilding a server that day. :) It actually takes a few minutes before the server dies. It usually has enough of the OS cached that it will continue running, even after eating it'self like that, until you ask it to do somehting that isn't cached. So.. Watch your typing when you use rm -rf. It can be dangerous. -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
Re: [newbie] Newbie Question
Simple answer: Mandrake80-inst.iso = Disk 1 Mandrake80-ext.iso = Disk 2 S'all there is to that. Ric Terry wrote: Lucio, Mandrake80-inst.iso is the image to actually install LM 8.0 on your computer, whereas Mandrake80-ext.iso is the image for the extra applications not necessary to install and run LM 8.0. You don't actually need the -ext image to be able to install and use LM 8.0, just the -inst one. Hope that helps, and I hope I'm right! :-) Terry Sheltra On Wednesday 02 May 2001 03:11 pm, you wrote: Hi, folks !!! Can Anyone tell me what is the real difference between Mandrake80-inst.iso and Mandrake80-ext.iso I'm downloading this, can You tell me something about it. Lcio Costa So Paulo/Brazil Content-Type: text/html; charset=iso-8859-1; name=Attachment: 1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Description: -- __ Ric Tibbetts Boeing Shared Services Group UNIX System Administration Seattle Server Operations __
