[newbie] Re: [Wine]To su or not to su
h:\ maps to your home drive. Or, mine does. I used winetools-2.1.0-jo to set up wine. See what else is in ~/.wine/dosdevices. -- Charles Curley /\ASCII Ribbon Campaign Looking for fine software \ /Respect for open standards and/or writing? X No HTML/RTF in email http://www.charlescurley.com/ \No M$ Word docs in email Key fingerprint = CE5C 6645 A45A 64E4 94C0 809C FFF6 4C48 4ECD DFDB Does Winetools come with the Mandrake distro CDs? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Linux, Wine and viruses
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Here's an amusing article: http://os.newsforge.com/article.pl?sid=05/01/25/1430222 Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 (http://counter.li.org/) Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB+QmZkFAvMr/nNX8RAuVHAKCXhwiftBsMe1FWsZIG1emfFTQ94ACfdGhY oNWhXtJSda+oktlWFhNc0A4= =9TbV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Jan 2005 05:29, deedee E wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: I hope they don't do this -- at least not using VBS. If they can convert the VBS to something else, that might work. MS groupies make a big deal out of the fact that OOo doesn't handle VBS, but most people point out that they consider the lack of VBS a feature of OOo rather than a liability and have VBS turned off on their Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. Just curious - I used to import Word documents in to Lotus WordPro. Formatting and everything was fine unless someone had embedded a 'drawing'. That was diabolical. Do 'drawings' import OK in OOo? Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2Q2QkFAvMr/nNX8RAtdCAJ9waykIec/5fb8gEED4kTtkio93NgCfT+Fq vPUIQQlxgLgkeMMFuQNs9SA= =Qooi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 03 Jan 2005 00:31, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 January 2005 03:43 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law are big on practicalities ;-) Anne Hmm. Practicalities...like domesticating son-in-laws? big grin No - practicalities like not trying the impossible ebg Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2Q21kFAvMr/nNX8RAnZ+AJ95OKiOQSUFBNdn5kh4f8nRSxt2jwCeIj2f /vZq9d/2VCRH+XduB6vcTRA= =yOed -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:17:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 03 Jan 2005 05:29, deedee E wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. Just curious - I used to import Word documents in to Lotus WordPro. Formatting and everything was fine unless someone had embedded a 'drawing'. That was diabolical. Do 'drawings' import OK in OOo? This is still a problem -- but the problem is in the Word document. AFAIK, nothing can get around it, not even Word itself. If an embedded graphic takes a full page, then things seem to go correctly. However, if the embedded graphic is inline, even anchored, Word may move it around. All one has to do is open the Word document (using Word on the machine the document was created on (!!!)) and make a change (almost any change can have an effect, e.g., deleting a word is enough). Then, scroll through. Frequently you will see that graphics have changed their position (and that can affect pagination and so on). Also, Word almost never embeds a graphic, but links to it. So when exchanging Word documents, it is important that you get it with the graphics embedded. A linked graphic is not really in the document, but is calling or linking to another file on the system. As soon as you try to change the Word document, the graphic can disappear altogether if you don't also have the file that the graphic is linked to. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
deedee E wrote: On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 09:17:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 03 Jan 2005 05:29, deedee E wrote: On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. Just curious - I used to import Word documents in to Lotus WordPro. Formatting and everything was fine unless someone had embedded a 'drawing'. That was diabolical. Do 'drawings' import OK in OOo? This is still a problem -- but the problem is in the Word document. AFAIK, nothing can get around it, not even Word itself. If an embedded graphic takes a full page, then things seem to go correctly. However, if the embedded graphic is inline, even anchored, Word may move it around. All one has to do is open the Word document (using Word on the machine the document was created on (!!!)) and make a change (almost any change can have an effect, e.g., deleting a word is enough). Then, scroll through. Frequently you will see that graphics have changed their position (and that can affect pagination and so on). Also, Word almost never embeds a graphic, but links to it. So when exchanging Word documents, it is important that you get it with the graphics embedded. A linked graphic is not really in the document, but is calling or linking to another file on the system. As soon as you try to change the Word document, the graphic can disappear altogether if you don't also have the file that the graphic is linked to. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php I discovered this 'moving around' also when putting together 'bunny' manuals for work. Linux at home, M$ at work. If the formatting of the document you wish to produce will allow it then make the document using Calc/excel, include the drawings, pictures, screen shots, etc, within the same directory for convenience, and you will find heaps less movement . A little more fiddling with having to merge cells, etc, but you will be able to find your drawings at least close by, most times - right where they should be. -- Newbie Seeking USER_FUNCTIONALITY always! Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system. At that conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to run the VBS scripts within documents. When my sin-in-law asked if that would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities there was a stunned silence. Apparently no-one had thought of that. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB1/qPkFAvMr/nNX8RAngwAJ9bDvUHG5x8I+rbUE+tiSFnkR9QpgCeKId6 v6NGmTP6r5fZUnrC8IvQqHg= =3vrw -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 2 January 2005 14:43, Anne Wilson wrote: When my sin-in-law Anne I hope this was a freudian mother in laws slip! :-) Martin a son in law himself -- the riddle which man must solve, he can only solve in being, in being what he is and not something else http://auskadi.tk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 08:43 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system. At that conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to run the VBS scripts within documents. When my sin-in-law asked if that would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities there was a stunned silence. Apparently no-one had thought of that. Anne I wish my mother in law used linux :) Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 13:45, Martin Hardie wrote: On Sunday 2 January 2005 14:43, Anne Wilson wrote: When my sin-in-law Anne I hope this was a freudian mother in laws slip! :-) Oops... - well. Martin a son in law himself Actually, we get on pretty well most of the time, and I keep out of the way on those 'other' days ;-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2AzAkFAvMr/nNX8RAn9IAJ0fsNdRG2eSgodqBxaFWOgRTaOhoACgkZGM v7YtqiDQ/Pz72D5Rq9ccRoY= =vG98 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her windows back, because it will be dual-boot. For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2A4VkFAvMr/nNX8RAnm0AKCGu9NgURgy9PR3JSxFn1DAgn9PmACghfP7 5FwCnajn3dIDhQsgg+Ik+1M= =IUMi -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 07:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her windows back, because it will be dual-boot. For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne That's the way it worked with my Uncle since he likes Bluegrass music Streamtuner/streamripper was the killer app Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: snip My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne: A long time ago, there was a thread on this list started by a woman -- I think it was you -- who desperately needed a Linux version of Hearts for her husband. If it was you, were you successful? (IMHO, the MS version of Hearts was the best Windows program ever written.) -- cmg Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 16:11, Carroll Grigsby wrote: On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: snip My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne: A long time ago, there was a thread on this list started by a woman -- I think it was you -- who desperately needed a Linux version of Hearts for her husband. If it was you, were you successful? (IMHO, the MS version of Hearts was the best Windows program ever written.) -- cmg Not guilty, m'lord - at least not this time ;-) He plays Yukon, out of the kde patience set, and I play Spider from the same set. Just the thing for over lunchtime. There's an awesome set of games there, though Hearts was never my 'thing' I don't know whether there's a replacement, but between this set and a similar one offered by the Gnome community I'd be very surprised if there wasn't. Frozen bubbles is out for lunchtime: it's too addictive - once you start you get no more work done. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2CbGkFAvMr/nNX8RAmQrAKCfBrwrtTMT8kNktZJDYduMqy9O3wCfRZan CmWxFXA0h2P+8Ganz88ra9k= =XlY6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 10:07 am, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) Just be sure that you know how to give her everything she normally uses in a very familiar way, and tell her she will always be able to get her windows back, because it will be dual-boot. For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Anne Thanks Anne, I actually put mandrake 9.2 on their pc when it came out but I didnt really take a 'holistic' approach to it as I was a newbie myself. She had never used a computer in her life so the dual boot thing was too confusing for her - she she couldnt understand what an operating system was, let alone why she needed two. She was also taking classes which focused on ms software. At that stage in her learning even openoffice wasnt familiar enogh for her. She had to follow pictures in the manual showing the ms office menus. Mounting of floppy disks was also a serious setback. It might have been fixable but floppies had to be mounted from the console. Also the kids had lots of pc games. I hadnt heard of crossover at the time. So they ended up ignoring linux. And constantly booting into windows. But you are right, it is easy to make a user of another OS comfortable in linux, when you know what you're doing. Pairing that with remote administration would be perfect I think, which is the next thing I'd like to get into. Jarlath Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 01:47 pm, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) I wish *all* mother-in-laws used Linux. Wouldn't that be a force to reckon with! :-) -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 20:11, Ronald J. Hall wrote: On Sunday 02 January 2005 01:47 pm, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) I wish *all* mother-in-laws used Linux. Wouldn't that be a force to reckon with! :-) Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law a big on practicalities ;-) Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFB2F0FkFAvMr/nNX8RAqs5AJwJnt3gEEyYA0rZ4PTmuCuxcJEGigCeMZ0o QDtCqX6QeiHI00XwmmZWg3o= =aVno -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Mon, 3 Jan 2005 02:07, Anne Wilson wrote: On Sunday 02 Jan 2005 18:47, JR wrote: I wish my mother in law used linux :) Can't you find the one thing that she would *really* love to have, then let her 'accidentally' see it? A little gentle deceit is not really harmful. ;-) For most people, that means OpenOffice and Mozilla/variants, with Evo if they are used to Outlook. My husband has his own Mandrake box, but rarely adventures beyond the kde patience pack, which knocks the socks off the M$ offerings. There are some pretty good photo-handling packages these days. It's hard to find something that would really stump most people. Yep, KDE Patience is exactly how I snared my sister :-) That and all the free educational software, her being a teacher. But I had to prepare the way by first having OOo and Mozilla on her new XP box, and not 'fixing' the things she found most annoying about XP :-) Then it was just a case of having her visit one day, having to pop out for half an hour, and leaving patience up on the screen :-) John. - Forget that new hard drive, save some lives instead, donate to the Red Cross: USA: https://www.redcross.org/donate/donation-form.asp UK: https://www.donate.bt.com/bt_form_dec.htm Oz: https://www.redcross.org.au/Donations/onlineTsunamiDonations.asp NZ: https://www.banqonit.com/proxypage.aspx?boiid=205 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sunday 02 January 2005 03:43 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law are big on practicalities ;-) Anne Hmm. Practicalities...like domesticating son-in-laws? big grin -- /\ Dark Lord \/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sun, 2 Jan 2005 13:43:43 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:22, deedee E wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Last year my son-in-law went to a Sun conference where they were demonstrating their newly-announced Java Desktop system. At that conference it was said that the OOo developers were close to being able to run the VBS scripts within documents. When my sin-in-law asked if that would not also mean opening it to all the accompanying vulnerabilities there was a stunned silence. Apparently no-one had thought of that. I hope they don't do this -- at least not using VBS. If they can convert the VBS to something else, that might work. MS groupies make a big deal out of the fact that OOo doesn't handle VBS, but most people point out that they consider the lack of VBS a feature of OOo rather than a liability and have VBS turned off on their Windows systems for security reasons. These days VBS is about the only reason anyone can give for keeping MSWord. OOo Writer does everything else MSWord does and then some. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: Ronald J. Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Monday, January 03, 2005 12:31 AM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? On Sunday 02 January 2005 03:43 pm, Anne Wilson wrote: Only a matter of time, Dark Lord. Mothers-in-law are big on practicalities ;-) Anne Hmm. Practicalities...like domesticating son-in-laws? big grin -- /\ Dark Lord \/ What's domesticating'. Sounds like some sort of washing powder. N. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sun, 26 Dec 2004 08:04:23 +0100, Martin wrote: a first question on Wine - do i just install the windows programs i want into a folder in eg my home directory and then when starting wine in my shell point it there? If you're using the fake Windows installation, just install your applications in drive_c of your /home/user/.wine directory. Start wine with or without a terminal. If you want to see messages (while still getting wine configured and so forth), open a terminal and type wine at the prompt. The log of what's happening as wine start up and runs will show in the terminal window. Wine starts in its own separate window. You can set up a desktop icon to do this. You can also run wine from the launcher on the start menu by typing wine -- no separate terminal will open to show ongoing wine messages. Wine assumes it is in C: -- so you can usually start your program by typing [program_name].exe to start an application. Everything then should be exactly as it is under Windows. Once you're comfortable with how it works, you can create icons, links, and so forth to automate things and make it all appear more Windows-like. The only thing I would caution you about is in setting up your mime types -- don't allow Linux to automatically start an application using wine by clicking on a Windows executable. I like to use XWine (not the same thing as WineX which is the version of wine fully implementing DirectX for gaming). XWine came on my Mandrake CDs. It acts as a gui front-end to wine which helps with all aspects of installing and configuring both wine itself and Windows applications. I found it particularly useful in configuring each application as to which dlls had to be native or built-in. The configuration file it produced was quite informative. There has also recently been announced a new and improved Winetools for doing something similar. I've not tried it, so cannot really comment on how well it works. I have been confused about this simple little point to start with!! will most programs using windows code work or only those supported with a build of some type? I would like to run my Polar heart arte Monitor, my Printer (HP Laserjet 1000) and my digital camera with Wine if possible. Any equipment or peripheral should be installed in Linux and run from Linux. Windows apps running from wine will be able to find and use them. They should be identified in your wine configuration file. In particular, your printer (definitely) and your digital camera (likely) should be installed in Linux. I don't know if Linux will run your heart monitor. Since there are certain drivers and files connected with devices wine does not implement (and will not be implementing due to licensing issues), it is possible that wine will not run the heart monitor (actually it's likely that it will not). In general, devices must be run from Linux -- not wine. The Windows software for the devices can be run from wine (maybe -- depends on what dlls and so forth it needs), but not the devices themselves. If you need to run devices that Linux doesn't run, you should consider VMWare or Win4Lin. They install a virtual machine on your Linux machine and will run Windows. You need to already own a copy of Windows and install it in the virtual machine, and then install your device. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Deedee wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Sorry, what do you mean with VBS? Thanks, Rodolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Tuesday, December 28, 2004 11:33 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? Deedee wrote: I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. Sorry, what do you mean with VBS? Thanks, Rodolfo VBS = Visual Basic Scripting HTH Al Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 18:52, deedee E wrote: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? As on a Windows system, the virus must be executed. So if your system is set up to automatically run Wine when a Windows executable is clicked on, then it will execute the virus just as it would execute any Windows program. Wine has to be installed and running for this to happen. The greatest potential risk occurs if you are running Wine while also surfing the web, because some things don't require any additional user involvement than going to an infected web site. Simply having Wine available on your system is not a problem. I use XWine to run Windows applications and cannot start Wine by clicking on a link to a file. I do that deliberately to ensure that no one can run a Windows executable without going through a few hoops first. I never leave Wine just running, but then I use it for only a few Windows applications. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Monday 27 Dec 2004 07:08, deedee E wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 +, Anne Wilson wrote: Simply having Wine available on your system is not a problem. I use XWine to run Windows applications and cannot start Wine by clicking on a link to a file. I do that deliberately to ensure that no one can run a Windows executable without going through a few hoops first. I never leave Wine just running, but then I use it for only a few Windows applications. That sounds fine to me, deedee. I don't often need it, either, but it would be very useful if I could get it going. I'm going to give it a try sometime soon. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBz8vckFAvMr/nNX8RAuWCAJ9wHdjJ+t2SjQR5LlqhfFo+JRlDeQCdF8ur VeYTTfAluxeCgpaUmiMbksU= =t2u7 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 18:59:03 -0500, JoeHill wrote: IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:Windows, System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) Unfortunately, if you have Wine correctly installed, you do have those files and folders. Running as user, you can only mess up your user account. However, those people who inadvertently executed a Windows virus using Wine on their Linux systems had a major tedious cleanup to do. In the published cases, the person had their Wine set up to run whenever a Windows executable was clicked on. They clicked on an e-mail attachment without thinking (even after KMail gave the message that they were doing something dangerous). deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:31:53 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
deedee E wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 20:31:53 +0100, Rodolfo Medina wrote: However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, I think you will find that OO Writer is a lot more stable than MSWord and has as many features (all of which convert very nicely to MSWord, even though MSWord converts in an iffy manner to other things). The only real issue concerns VBS -- OO cannot convert it. If you need VBS, you need MSOffice. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php Just out of curiosity, how about attaching a sample .doc that is of concern to you and lets see if we strike any problems with OOo. -- Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:24, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne, It is mainly vulnerable when running windows programs. It should be possible to create something that runs under Linux that would target Wine, I don't see that happening. The problem is that when you are running Windows programs, you can also run things like VB scripts. But the damage is limmited to your user, and not the entire system, as it would be under Windows. One way to limit things would be to have a different user that you log in as to run Wine. If your normal user is a member of the Wine user's group, and you have a group writable directory, sharing data between the two is easy. You can access this as your normal user, but the Wine user can not access anything in your normal user's directory. Mikkel That sounds reasonable precautions. On a related issue, then, is it possible to force any file written to a specific directory to have the permissions related to that directory? IOW, could you designate one directory to be for the use of group 'wine', and any file written to that directory would automatically be written as belonging to group 'wine'? I don't want this to turn into a complete hijack, but security related to wine would, presumably, also be of interest to the original poster. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBzouOkFAvMr/nNX8RAteiAJ4sQ3IQV/abZ5xMRcSdabyfyreuQQCfYwOG R6JNZznQeUHMYv1dZUF9LLg= =Iuzf -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:59, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 + Anne Wilson disseminated the following: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:\Windows, \System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) To do anything at all in a windows program you have to allow things to run, so it seems likely that there is some vulnerability to anything that is within that windows environment. I agree that it may not be as easy as on a pure windows system, but I do feel that there is still a measure of risk, and I'm just trying to quantify it. The linux system, of course, would not be attacked. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBzoxNkFAvMr/nNX8RAodkAJ9F0g62l3aforfEucaiJXJZQMQ2nACfQSX3 OnF0jE+7uvOTjv39hqYjsrU= =197L -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
a first question on Wine - do i just install the windows programs i want into a folder in eg my home directory and then when starting wine in my shell point it there? I have been confused about this simple little point to start with!! will most programs using windows code work or only those supported with a build of some type? I would like to run my Polar heart arte Monitor, my Printer (HP Laserjet 1000) and my digital camera with Wine if possible. Zorionak eta urte berri on Martin On Sunday 26 December 2004 07:48, Noel McG. wrote: - Original Message - From: Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, Rodolfo Hello, If you have now 'gone off' Wine, have you thought of using Cross Over Office. A similar product, though you have to pay for it if I remember rightly. N --- - Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com -- the riddle which man must solve, he can only solve in being, in being what he is and not something else http://auskadi.tk Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:24, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: Anne, It is mainly vulnerable when running windows programs. It should be possible to create something that runs under Linux that would target Wine, I don't see that happening. The problem is that when you are running Windows programs, you can also run things like VB scripts. But the damage is limmited to your user, and not the entire system, as it would be under Windows. One way to limit things would be to have a different user that you log in as to run Wine. If your normal user is a member of the Wine user's group, and you have a group writable directory, sharing data between the two is easy. You can access this as your normal user, but the Wine user can not access anything in your normal user's directory. Mikkel That sounds reasonable precautions. On a related issue, then, is it possible to force any file written to a specific directory to have the permissions related to that directory? IOW, could you designate one directory to be for the use of group 'wine', and any file written to that directory would automatically be written as belonging to group 'wine'? I don't want this to turn into a complete hijack, but security related to wine would, presumably, also be of interest to the original poster. Anne This is easy. Set the group ownership of the directory to wine, and set the SGID bit on the directory. I usualy do this in Midnight Commander (mc), and there is a check box for it. When used with programs, ir sets the group the program is running under tothe group of the program, but when you do it to a directory, it sets the group ownership of any file/directory created in the directory to the same group as the directory. (Like the SUID bit, but for group rather then owner.) The one thing to watch out for is that this doesn't change the permissions that the file is saved with, so the file may not be group writable. But you can always change the default for user wine in ~/.bashrc if you only want it for that user. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 23:59, JoeHill wrote: On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 + Anne Wilson disseminated the following: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:\Windows, \System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) To do anything at all in a windows program you have to allow things to run, so it seems likely that there is some vulnerability to anything that is within that windows environment. I agree that it may not be as easy as on a pure windows system, but I do feel that there is still a measure of risk, and I'm just trying to quantify it. The linux system, of course, would not be attacked. Anne If you are going to run programs like Word, and have things like macros working, then Visual Basic has to work. Now, how many of the virus are written as VB scripts, and then inbedded in Word documents, or as e-mail attachments... One of the big problems with Outlook has been that it runs these by default. (I hear they fixed this, but I don't run Outlook...) Now, they can not do as much damage as they could on a pure Windows system, but they can still do damage. How much depends on how closly the Wine envirment looks like Windows to running programs, and what you have installed. But Wine has to look like Windows to programs running under it, or the programs will not run. So you have the normal Windows directories, most of the normal .dll files, etc. While the real directory tree is not the same, what programs see is. And programs still have to be able to write to this directory structure, or you can not install programs, or do work. So, the better job Wine does of emulating Windows, the more vunerable it is to a Windows virus. So you want to set things up to limit the damage that can be done. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Sunday 26 Dec 2004 16:27, Mikkel L. Ellertson wrote: This is easy. Set the group ownership of the directory to wine, and set the SGID bit on the directory. I usualy do this in Midnight Commander (mc), and there is a check box for it. When used with programs, ir sets the group the program is running under tothe group of the program, but when you do it to a directory, it sets the group ownership of any file/directory created in the directory to the same group as the directory. (Like the SUID bit, but for group rather then owner.) The one thing to watch out for is that this doesn't change the permissions that the file is saved with, so the file may not be group writable. But you can always change the default for user wine in ~/.bashrc if you only want it for that user. Thanks, Mikkel. That's really useful. Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBzuuPkFAvMr/nNX8RAlXoAJ9QPTP3GVeGDLhs1f/AoJ4ML++soQCfTC6Y H+jXVadF71ezWaTW/X4S5jU= =ueE0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
A couple of things I forgot, but feel I should mention. Although one installs Wine as root and does some minimal global configuration, each user must do their own configuration. Windows software needs to be installed as user, not as root. If there is more than one user on the system, the installation of software must be done for each user (per the licenses). Secondly, if you have VBS active in your MSWord or are using IE and other Windows software under Wine that are open to infection, you do need to take the same precautions on a Linux system that you would on a Windows system to protect against the Win32 viruses and such. Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Happy holidays, deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see WordStar Users Group Community http://www.wordstar2.com/WordStar_Users/index.php -- ___ Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Thanks to all who replied: Noel, SnapafunFrank, Mike, Deedee. The matter looks not to be a simple one, so I'll have to do further trials with Wine installation. But, Deedee, after I read you say: I've had excellent results working with MSWord documents on Linux systems with OpenOffice.org Writer (OO). I now do all MSWord stuff using OO (I get it in MSWord, open the file in OO, do whatever needs to be done, and convert it back to MSWord). No one has noticed the difference. , I did other trials with OpenOffice.org Writer and found out that, if the MSWord document is edited in a very 'clean' way, i.e. respecting all the tabs and the layout settings, without using the space bar to move text and so on, OO Writer manages to properly read it. In my experience the results had not been satisfying: I tried opening a certain MSWord document with OOWriter and some stuff that was on the right end of the page in MSWord found itself spread out around the middle of the page in OOWriter: the same with abiword. Maybe, as you say, something like that sometimes happens with MSWord itself, but you see that is not good a start, it wouldn't induce to use OO with MSWord documents. However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, Rodolfo Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 18:52, deedee E wrote: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? Anne - -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Mandrake at all levels -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFBze7YkFAvMr/nNX8RArnHAJ915CU4dierMcQoZ4ZHKgLdnHR9lQCfcYz8 3e6IKipZdv3QCbFhCpnwxP4= =NpJ0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Anne Wilson wrote: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday 25 Dec 2004 18:52, deedee E wrote: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? Anne Anne, It is mainly vulnerable when running windows programs. It should be possible to create something that runs under Linux that would target Wine, I don't see that happening. The problem is that when you are running Windows programs, you can also run things like VB scripts. But the damage is limmited to your user, and not the entire system, as it would be under Windows. One way to limit things would be to have a different user that you log in as to run Wine. If your normal user is a member of the Wine user's group, and you have a group writable directory, sharing data between the two is easy. You can access this as your normal user, but the Wine user can not access anything in your normal user's directory. Mikkel -- Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with Ketchup! Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 22:51:04 + Anne Wilson disseminated the following: Wine is fully capable of executing Win32 viruses, Trojans, and worms. Don't run Wine as root after it is installed. Then, you won't hurt the overall Linux system, although you will still be able to really mess up your user stuff if a virus gets executed. Is it vulnerable only when actually running a windows program, or vulnerable by the very fact of being there? IIANM, Windows malware (is there any other kind...?), even run under Wine, would have very little if no effect on a Linux system. Firstly, it's going to be looking for files/folders/directories that do not exist (c:\Windows, \System32, Documents and Settings, etc.). Second, it will attempt to run other common commands/executables or exploit services which would exist on a Win system but not on Linux, like, say...well, all of them ;-) -- JoeHill / RLU #282046 / www.freeyourmachine.org 18:52:44 up 34 days, 10:05, 7 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 +++ If the Nuremberg laws were applied, then every post-war American president would have been hanged. -- Noam Chomsky Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: Rodolfo Medina [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Saturday, December 25, 2004 7:31 PM Subject: Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? However, now I'm quite oriented to avoid Wine installation if possible, i.e. if OO Writer can really work fine onto .doc files, especially now that you pointed out the problem of viruses. And apart from that, I don't much like the idea of having an MSWindows-like system inside my Linux box! I'll be going on experimenting OO Writer, thanks indeed, Rodolfo Hello, If you have now 'gone off' Wine, have you thought of using Cross Over Office. A similar product, though you have to pay for it if I remember rightly. N Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
[newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Hi. Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Rodolfo Regala e regalati Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi veloce. 1.2 Mega di musica, film, video e sport. Abbonati subito senza costi di attivazione su http://www.libero.it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
- Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: newbie newbie@linux-mandrake.com Sent: Friday, December 24, 2004 10:37 AM Subject: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there? Hi. Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. Thanks, Rodolfo Hello, When you say that the installation has been successful, does that mean just wine or the MS programme as well? K Regala e regalati Libero ADSL: 3 mesi gratis e navighi veloce. 1.2 Mega di musica, film, video e sport. Abbonati subito senza costi di attivazione su http://www.libero.it Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Rodolfo wrote: Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. Noel wrote: When you say that the installation has been successful, does that mean just wine or the MS programme as well? That means just Wine: then I tried to install MS Office 2000 with WineTools with no success. Here is the whole procedure I followed: - From Wine web site: www.winehq.org I downloaded the file Wine-20041201.tar.gz. Previously: # urpmi flex # urpmi bison . Then I copied Wine-20041201.tar.gz into the ~/tmp directory $ cd ~/tmp $ tar xzvf Wine-20041201.tar.gz $ cd wine-20041201 $ ./tools/wineinstall During the run I got the message: We need to install wine as root user, do you want us to build wine, 'su root' and install Wine? Enter 'no' to continue without installing (yes/no) . I typed 'yes'. Further on I got this other message: Create local config file ~/.wine/config? (yes/no) . I typed 'yes', and immediately after: Searching for an existing Windows installation... found. Windows was found on your system, and so we can use the Windows Drive as our Wine drive. You may, however, wish to create a clean Wine install anyways. Should I use the Windows drive for the Wine install? (yes/no) no . I typed 'no', and: Configuring Wine without Windows. Some fake Windows directories must be created, to hold any .ini files, DLLs, start menu entries, and other things your applications may need to install. Where would you like your fake C drive to be placed? (default is /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c) . I hit 'return', and: Configuring Wine for a no-windows install in /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c... err:wave:OSS_WaveOutInit /dev/mixer1: No such file or directory Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0. /home/rodolfo/.wine updated successfully. Created /home/rodolfo/.wine/config using default Wine configuration. You probably want to review the file, though. Installation complete for now. Good luck (this is still alpha software). If you have problems with WINE, please read the documentation first, as many kinds of potential problems are explained there. , and the installation was over: it lasted more than 30 minutes! At this point I didn't know how to run MS Word. In the Wine mailing lists there were two different opinions: 1) enter the directory containing the file winword.exe (that was '/mnt/windows/Programmi/Microsoft Office/Office') and do '$ wine winword.exe'; but this didn't work; 2) use WineTools. Then I tried this second solution: from http://www.von-thadden.de/Joachim/WineTools/ I downloaded the file winetools-207jo.tar.gz and copied into the ~/tmp dir. In that dir, $ tar xzvf winetools-207jo.tar.gz # cp -r /home/rodolfo/tmp/winetools /usr/local # ln -s /usr/local/winetools/wt207jo /usr/local/bin/wt $ wt I chose 'Base setup' I chose 'Create a fake Windows drive' I answered 'yes' when asked: 'Remove existing Wine configuration?' I chose 'O.k.' when asked: 'What's the mount point of the cdrom/dvd drive? e.g. /mnt/cdrom:' I connected to internet; then, from another console, I did $ wt , and chose 'Base setup', then TrueType Arial: I got the message: 'The config file says the software you want to install is already installed. Continue?'. I chose 'yes', there was a downloading, after which I accepted the license, and the installation went up to the end; I found myself in the 'Base setup' menu again, and selected DCOM98; there was a downloading as well, after which I accepted the license, and the installation went up to the end; then I found myself in the 'Base setup' menu again: all the options were: ---New Setup (past April 2004) --- Create a fake Windows drive True type Font Arial DCOM98 Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1 (plain method) Add printcap (non CUPS) printers I selected the 'Internet Explorer 6.0 SP1 (plain method)', and got the message: After the installation your system.reg will be replaced! You will loose all registry keys of installed programs (except for DCOM98)! This is a full automatic installation of almost all components. You can add additional components later by using the uninstaller. Continue
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
'no'. Then I exited the 'Base setup' menu, went into the Main Menu and continue with Install additional software and choose Microsoft Office 2000. I got the message: If you are asked for, select drive D: for installation. Never install Office-Tools/Office-Assistents. They might shredder your setup. I pressed 'o.k.' and got the message: If you downloaded the file by yourself (e.g. in a different language) you can use this one instead of the default. Do you want to use the default? I chose 'yes' and got the message: For this software you need a mounted CD. Shall I mount it for you? I chose 'yes', and got the error message: Mounting of the CD failed. You should do it manually. I pressed 'o.k', and after a few seconds got the message: It seems that the installation has failed. I pressed 'o.k.', and found myself in the Additional Software menu again. I exit WineTools. --- Sorry for such a long posting, but this way you (or anyone else can provide help) will have an exact idea of the situation. Any suggestions? Thanks indeed for your reply, happy holidays sincerely, Rodolfo Just a newbie struggling with wine myself when I have the time. Did you at any stage after the initial install when doing things, issue $ wineboot? Remember that with windows you need to reboot when installing anything - same applies to windows apps when installing them in wine. Also take a look at trying to run things using the WINEDEBUG utilities - they have told me heaps along the way. Just in case you missed something. -- Regards SnapafunFrank Big or small, a challenge requires the same commitment to resolve. Registered Linux User # 324213 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
Rodolfo Medina wrote: Rodolfo wrote: Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I've had problems with it, and the help I got from the wine-users mailing list didn't manage to solve them. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. The installation seems to have been successful, but I don't manage to run WinWord nor do I really know how to run it. Any help will be appreciated. snip Sorry for such a long posting, but this way you (or anyone else can provide help) will have an exact idea of the situation. Any suggestions? Try Franks corner has a lot of wine help (helped me out a few times getting some games to run :-) http://frankscorner.org/index.php?p=office2000 Thanks indeed for your reply, happy holidays sincerely, Rodolfo Mike Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Join the Club : http://www.mandrakeclub.com
Re: [newbie] Any 'Wine' expert out there?
On Sat, 25 Dec 2004 16:49:46 +1300, SnapafunFrank wrote: Rodolfo Medina wrote: Does anybody have any experience about Wine, how to install it and how to make it work? I'm not an expert because I've never really had any problems using wine. However, I did notice a couple of things in your post. I have no idea how important they are, however. I installed Wine in order to run MS Word with it, since *unfortunately* in job applications it is usually requested and used the .doc format and neither kword nor Open Office kwriter nor even abiword manage to properly read and edit MS Word documents. I've found that MSWord doesn't properly read and edit MSWord documents on Windows systems either. Check your documents out on another MSWord installation -- same release, same Windows, but maybe a different printer installed. Things move around, especially in-line graphics (supposedly anchored) on any document and pagination in large documents. OTOH, I've had excellent results working with MSWord documents on Linux systems with OpenOffice.org Writer (OO). I now do all MSWord stuff using OO (I get it in MSWord, open the file in OO, do whatever needs to be done, and convert it back to MSWord). No one has noticed the difference. I had no problems getting MSWord to work under Wine. I just refuse to use it because it's such crummy word processing software. That means just Wine: then I tried to install MS Office 2000 with WineTools with no success. Here is the whole procedure I followed: - From Wine web site: www.winehq.org I downloaded the file Wine-20041201.tar.gz. Any particular reason you are installing from source instead of installing the rpm? The only problems I've ever had with wine were connected with installing from source. I learned a lot about it (because it found a number of things wrong with my system which forced me to correct them), but now I do all the installations from binaries. Some fake Windows directories must be created, to hold any .ini files, DLLs, start menu entries, and other things your applications may need to install. Where would you like your fake C drive to be placed? (default is /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c) Just for the record, is where you're trying to install MSWord also a C: drive from its point of view, or is it a D: drive? Remember, wine is going to act as if /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c is the real C: drive and any time the installation process or MSOffice asks for something on C:, that's where it will go -- not to /mnt/windows. Configuring Wine for a no-windows install in /home/rodolfo/.wine/drive_c... err:wave:OSS_WaveOutInit /dev/mixer1: No such file or directory Xlib: extension XFree86-DRI missing on display :0.0. /home/rodolfo/.wine updated successfully. This was one of the problems I had when installing from source. I was not able to get wine to run correctly until I resolved all the /dev issues connected with the sound system. You need /dev/mixer1. Created /home/rodolfo/.wine/config using default Wine configuration. You probably want to review the file, though. The critical things in this file are to have your paths correctly set so that wine knows exactly where to find the mount point for each drive and to correctly identify your installed printers (the name that's in /etc/printcap). I found it had already set up the necessary DLLs for MSWord to work properly. , and the installation was over: it lasted more than 30 minutes! The rpm installs in just a few moments. At this point I didn't know how to run MS Word. In the Wine mailing lists there were two different opinions: It's the same as from a Windows box. 1) enter the directory containing the file winword.exe (that was '/mnt/windows/Programmi/Microsoft Office/Office') and do '$ wine winword.exe'; but this didn't work; I assume you checked this, but was winword.exe there? Also, is /mnt/windows really drive D: from MSOffice's point of view, or does it think it's on drive C:? 2) use WineTools. Then I tried this second solution: snip After the installation your system.reg will be replaced! You will loose all registry keys of installed programs (except for DCOM98)! This is a full automatic installation of almost all components. You can add additional components later by using the uninstaller. Continue anyway? I chose 'no'. This was a mistake. I assume you were installing a fake windows drive in /home/rodolfo again. You should have let it replace the system.reg you already had there. There is no big deal about backing it up in case you get nervous. The registry files are critical to getting the whole thing to work correctly. If you are asked for, select drive D: for installation. What does wine think is drive D:? What does MSOffice think is drive D:? Are they the same physical partition? They should be, and
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
On Sun, 15 Feb 2004 22:16:49, Ayoub890 wrote: Will it help Wine much if one uses MS WIN2K DLLS with it? The question is whether it will help the software you want to run to use ms dlls or wine dlls, not whether it will help wine. It might help some programs, but hurt others. This is really application dependent. In general, people use ms dlls when the dll in question hasn't yet been produced by the wine development team. When you install and run whatever application you care about under wine, you should get error messages that will tell you why it's not working. If it's not working because it needs a dll that's not present, using that dll from another source (such as ms win) may help. However, it could be not working for a number of other reasons that changing dlls won't affect. deedee -- Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see the WordStar Users Group http://www.wordstar2.com/cbabbage/wordstar Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
Although you can't use win4lin with W2K or XP. you sure about that? I thought I saw that the latest version does, hmn I will have to check on that Aaron Anne Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
On Sunday 15 February 2004 10:45, Aaron wrote: Although you can't use win4lin with W2K or XP. you sure about that? I thought I saw that the latest version does, hmn I will have to check on that Aaron Probably what you are thinking of is the statement that they are managing to increase the level of support for DirectX. I don't use it, so I'm not sure how far they have got, though. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 22:36:35, Christophe Rhein wrote: Me again... I need one software running with windows and that is Asymetrix Toolbook... Is there someone out there using this software with wine and linux? Is wine the best and easiest way to use windows software? I use both wine and vmware for windows software until I can either get the software ported to Linux or weeded out of the office procedures. Wine does not have good support for 16-bit software. It works much better with current titles than with legacy stuff. However, it is possible to get wine developers to help you get your software working. If Crossover Office takes on your problem, they will guarantee to get it working for you, or identify why it will not ever work. OTOH, there is no guarantee they will take on your problem. They do have lists up to show what software they have worked with and how well it works with their product. Wine is free and easy to install. I would suggest trying that first. To get the latest binary for Mandrake, go to http://sourceforge.net/project/showfiles.php?group_id=6241 Remove any wine you have installed before installing a later version. Wine gets updated monthly, so whatever version came with your distribution is bound to be old. Also, you might want to join the mailing list at WineHQ. I found them helpful and was able to interest developers in providing wine patches for specific software I needed to continue to use. Vmware is also easy to install, but if you are unfamiliar with networking issues (as I am), you could have serious problems getting it to interact with the rest of your Linux system. I finally got my zip drive to work, so I exchange files back and forth between the virtual machine and the host system via that method. The release that came with Mandrake 9.1 (workstation 3.2) does not do sound very well. If sound is an important part of how the software works, unless the later release handles sound better, vmware may not be a good option. Otherwise, it is the same as having a windows computer on your computer. The primary negative with vmware that I have experienced had to do with the licensing. I have talked with vmware about the license. The version that comes with Mandrake is a legally licensed version for a single user. According to the salesman I talked to, they expect you to hack the serial number yourself based on the hash in the license file that comes with it. Or, download and buy the current commercial release. It was a very easy hack based on his instructions, but still I found it objectionable that they did not honor the license and just give me a serial number without purchasing a new license. So I cannot really recommend vmware. I felt they did a bait and switch. deedee Registered Linux User #327485 Visit WordStar GNU/Linux http://www.wordstar2.com Also, see the WordStar Users Group http://www.wordstar2.com/cbabbage/wordstar Find what you are looking for with the Lycos Yellow Pages http://r.lycos.com/r/yp_emailfooter/http://yellowpages.lycos.com/default.asp?SRC=lycos10 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
Aaron wrote: Christophe Rhein wrote: Me again... There are as far as I can tell three main choices Wine Cxoffice vmware win4lin Wine and crossover office are hit or miss not everything runs. vmware and win4lin offer the widest range of programs working (not games) transgaming is for games although dosbox of freedos will get you a lot of mileage as well I use win4lin and although it is a commercial product I am very pleased with it. Aaron Will it help Wine much if one uses MS WIN2K DLLS with it? Ayoub Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Is wine the best choice?
Me again... I need one software running with windows and that is Asymetrix Toolbook... Is there someone out there using this software with wine and linux? Is wine the best and easiest way to use windows software? Thank You Christophe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
Christophe Rhein wrote: Me again... There are as far as I can tell three main choices Wine Cxoffice vmware win4lin Wine and crossover office are hit or miss not everything runs. vmware and win4lin offer the widest range of programs working (not games) transgaming is for games although dosbox of freedos will get you a lot of mileage as well I use win4lin and although it is a commercial product I am very pleased with it. Aaron Is wine the best and easiest way to use windows software? Thank You Christophe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
On Sat, 14 Feb 2004 23:02:05 +0200 Aaron [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christophe Rhein wrote: Me again... There are as far as I can tell three main choices Wine Cxoffice vmware win4lin Wine and crossover office are hit or miss not everything runs. vmware and win4lin offer the widest range of programs working (not games) transgaming is for games although dosbox of freedos will get you a lot of mileage as well I use win4lin and although it is a commercial product I am very pleased with it. Aaron Is wine the best and easiest way to use windows software? Thank You Christophe Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com Loving VMware here Haven't found anything that wouldn't run. Haven't looked too hard, I admit. We're down to 2 programs win dependent. Won't be long now and the old win98 disk is ready for the skeet shoot. (Always the best course.) Lee Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Is wine the best choice?
On Saturday 14 February 2004 21:02, Aaron wrote: Wine Cxoffice vmware win4lin Wine and crossover office are hit or miss not everything runs. vmware and win4lin offer the widest range of programs working (not games) transgaming is for games although dosbox of freedos will get you a lot of mileage as well I use win4lin and although it is a commercial product I am very pleased with it. Aaron Although you can't use win4lin with W2K or XP. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Have you visited http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org yet? Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine (or others)
On Monday 24 November 2003 08:20 pm, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 24 November 2003 08:08 pm, HaywireMac wrote: On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:45:18 +0200 Erix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator. Ya, just like (L)AME is not (A)n (M)p3 (E)ncoder... ;- And (L)inux (i)s (n)ot (u)ni(x) It has to be self-referencing. (G)nu is (N)ot (U)nix. -- Bryan Phinney Software Test Engineer Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: Wine (or others)
On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:14:46 -0500, Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wine is a windows emulator. (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator. Erix. Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine (or others)
On Monday 24 November 2003 20:45, Erix wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:14:46 -0500, Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wine is a windows emulator. (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator. Erix. Yeah, but xwine shows up in K,applications,emulators.who messed that up? :) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine (or others)
On Monday 24 November 2003 02:45 pm, Erix wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:14:46 -0500, Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wine is a windows emulator. (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator. Does the term compatibility layer fit better. -- /g Outside of a dog, a man's best friend is a book, inside a dog it's too dark to read -Groucho Marx Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine (or others)
On Monday 24 November 2003 23:06, Greg Meyer wrote: On Monday 24 November 2003 02:45 pm, Erix wrote: On Sun, 23 Nov 2003 17:14:46 -0500, Greg Meyer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wine is a windows emulator. (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator. Does the term compatibility layer fit better. :) Good luck, HarM -- Registered Linux User #197998 FSF Associate Member #901 ICQ #146191606 Mandrake HowTo's more: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine (or others)
On Mon, 24 Nov 2003 21:45:18 +0200 Erix [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator. Ya, just like (L)AME is not (A)n (M)p3 (E)ncoder... ;-) -- HaywireMac ++ ICQ # 279518458 Registered Linux user #282046 Homepage: www.orderinchaos.org ++ Mandrake HowTo's More: http://twiki.mdklinuxfaq.org ++ The more laws and order are made prominent, the more thieves and robbers there will be. -- Lao Tsu Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie-it] Wine e fonts
ho istallato wine da pochissimo, mi stavo divertendo a testare istallando programmi e tutto sembrava andare a meraviglia, o anche preso un po di confidenza con il file ~/.wine/config. Ho tentato di fare il salto di qualità istallando Cubase un sequencer che uso molto, proprio alla fine mi è comparsa una finestrella che diceva che aggiornava il sistema ho atteso per un bel po poi stufo lo killata, ma adesso i programmi, istallati prima, si aprono con dei codici carattere strani tutte [][][][][]. Vi invio il mio file config perchè non so proprio come settare le font. Grazie WINE REGISTRY Version 2 ;; All keys relative to \\Machine\\Software\\Wine\\Wine\\Config ;; If you think it is necessary to show others your complete config for a ;; bug report, filter out empty lines and comments with ;; grep -v ^; ~/.wine/config | grep '.' ;; ;; MS-DOS drives configuration ;; ;; Each section has the following format: ;; [Drive X] ;; Path=xxx (Unix path for drive root) ;; Type=xxx (supported types are 'floppy', 'hd', 'cdrom' and 'network') ;; Label=xxx (drive label, at most 11 characters) ;; Serial=xxx (serial number, 8 characters hexadecimal number) ;; Filesystem=xxx (supported types are 'msdos'/'dos'/'fat', 'win95'/'vfat', 'unix') ;; This is the FS Wine is supposed to emulate on a certain ;; directory structure. ;; Recommended: ;; - win95 for ext2fs, VFAT and FAT32 ;; - msdos for FAT16 (ugly, upgrading to VFAT driver strongly recommended) ;; DON'T use unix unless you intend to port programs using Winelib ! ;; Device=/dev/xx (only if you want to allow raw device access) ;; ;; If wine was built with autofs patch, you can add a line ;; Automount = 1 ;; to sections with autofs_ed drives ;; [Drive A] Path = /mnt/floppy Type = floppy Label = Floppy Filesystem = win95 Device = /dev/fd0 [Drive C] Path = /home/michele/c Type = hd Label = Windows Filesystem = win95 [Drive D] Path = /mnt/cdrom Type = cdrom Label = CD-Rom Filesystem = win95 ; make sure that device is correct and has proper permissions ! Device = /dev/cdrom [Drive E] Path = /tmp Type = hd Label = Tmp Drive Filesystem = win95 [Drive F] Path = /home/michele Type = network Label = Home Filesystem = win95 [wine] Windows = c:\\windows System = c:\\windows\\system Temp = e:\\ Path = c:\\windows;c:\\windows\\system;e:\\;e:\\test;f:\\ Profile = c:\\windows\\Profiles\\Administrator GraphicsDriver = x11drv ;ShowDirSymlinks = 1 ;ShowDotFiles = 1 ShellLinker = wineshelllink # wineconf [Version] ; Windows version to imitate (win95,win98,winme,nt351,nt40,win2k,winxp,win20,win30,win31) Windows = win95 ; DOS version to imitate ;DOS = 6.22 ; Be careful here, wrong DllOverrides settings have the potential ; to pretty much kill your setup. [DllOverrides] ; some dlls you may want to change oleaut32 = builtin, native ole32= builtin, native commdlg = builtin, native comdlg32 = builtin, native shell= builtin, native shell32 = builtin, native shfolder = builtin, native shlwapi = builtin, native shdocvw = builtin, native advapi32 = builtin, native msvcrt = native, builtin mciavi.drv = native, builtin mcianim.drv = native, builtin ; you can specify applications too ; this one will apply for all notepad.exe ;*notepad.exe = native, builtin ; this one will apply only for a particular file ;C:\\windows\\regedit.exe = native, builtin ; default for all other dlls * = builtin, native [x11drv] ; Number of colors to allocate from the system palette AllocSystemColors = 100 ; Use a private color map PrivateColorMap = N ; Favor correctness over speed in some graphics operations PerfectGraphics = N ; Color depth to use on multi-depth screens ;;ScreenDepth = 16 ; Name of X11 display to use ;;Display = :0.0 ; Allow the window manager to manage created windows Managed = Y ; Use a desktop window of 640x480 for Wine ;Desktop = 640x480 ; Use XFree86 DGA extension if present ; (make sure /dev/mem is accessible by you !) UseDGA = Y ; Use XVidMode extension if present UseXVidMode = Y ; Use the take focus protocol UseTakeFocus = Y ; Enable DirectX mouse grab DXGrab = N ; Create the desktop window with a double-buffered visual ; (useful to play OpenGL games) DesktopDoubleBuffered = N ; Run in synchronous mode (useful for debugging X11 problems) ;;Synchronous = Y ; ; Use the Render extension to render client side fonts (default Y) ;;ClientSideWithRender = Y ; Fallback on X core requests to render client side fonts (default Y) ;;ClientSideWithCore = Y ; Set both of the previous two to N in order to force X11 server side fonts ; ; Anti-alias fonts if using the Render extension (default Y) ;;ClientSideAntiAliasWithRender = Y ; Anti-alias fonts if using core requests fallback (default Y) ;;ClientSideAntiAliasWithCore = Y ; [fonts] ;Read the Fonts topic in the Wine User Guide before adding aliases ;See a couple of examples for russian users below Resolution = 96 Default = -adobe-helvetica- DefaultFixed = fixed
Re: [newbie-it] Wine e fonts
On 24.10.2003 14:38, Michele wrote: ho istallato wine da pochissimo, mi stavo divertendo a testare istallando programmi e tutto sembrava andare a meraviglia, o anche preso un po di confidenza con il file ~/.wine/config. Ho tentato di fare il salto di qualità istallando Cubase un sequencer che uso molto, proprio alla fine mi è comparsa una finestrella che diceva che aggiornava il sistema ho atteso per un bel po poi stufo lo killata, ma adesso i programmi, istallati prima, si aprono con dei codici carattere strani tutte [][][][][]. Vi invio il mio file config perchè non so proprio come settare le font. Grazie Ma ?!?! Cavoli io quando ho installato Wine non riuscivo a far partire 'na bega! Mi giravano solo programmi basilari tipo blocco note di Wondozz.. Quando provavo ad installare qualcosa... crash! Forse ho sbagliato/trascurato qualcosa nell'installazione? Potresti farmi un piccolo elenco delle operazioni che hai svolto per far girare Wine così ci riprovo... Grazie ciao ciao Davide
Re: [newbie] 'Uninstalling' Wine
On Wednesday 02 Jul 2003 4:42 am, Troy Davidson wrote: Ok, I built wine 20030408 from a tar ball file. I have to do all the 'make' and 'make install' stuff. Now, I have to uninstall wine. How would I go about uninstalling this build? TIA. Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** make uninstall -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'Uninstalling' Wine
Thanks for the answer. I knew it had to be simple. But, I have deleted the directory that I did the make's from. Do I need to reinstall Wine so that I can then do the 'make uninstall'? Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Quoting Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 02 Jul 2003 4:42 am, Troy Davidson wrote: Ok, I built wine 20030408 from a tar ball file. I have to do all the 'make' and 'make install' stuff. Now, I have to uninstall wine. How would I go about uninstalling this build? TIA. Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** make uninstall -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'Uninstalling' Wine
Yep. That is what I expected you to say. You had better read this http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php?name=Sectionsop=viewarticleartid=10 derek On Wednesday 02 Jul 2003 3:36 pm, Troy Davidson wrote: Thanks for the answer. I knew it had to be simple. But, I have deleted the directory that I did the make's from. Do I need to reinstall Wine so that I can then do the 'make uninstall'? Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Quoting Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 02 Jul 2003 4:42 am, Troy Davidson wrote: Ok, I built wine 20030408 from a tar ball file. I have to do all the 'make' and 'make install' stuff. Now, I have to uninstall wine. How would I go about uninstalling this build? TIA. Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** make uninstall -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] 'Uninstalling' Wine
Derek, Thanks for the answer. I have seen that checkinstall mentioned before but wasn't sure what it was for. I will take care of this when I get home today and let you know how it went. Again, thanks for the answer. Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Quoting Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Yep. That is what I expected you to say. You had better read this http://www.jennings.homelinux.net/modules.php? name=Sectionsop=viewarticleartid=10 derek On Wednesday 02 Jul 2003 3:36 pm, Troy Davidson wrote: Thanks for the answer. I knew it had to be simple. But, I have deleted the directory that I did the make's from. Do I need to reinstall Wine so that I can then do the 'make uninstall'? Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** Quoting Derek Jennings [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wednesday 02 Jul 2003 4:42 am, Troy Davidson wrote: Ok, I built wine 20030408 from a tar ball file. I have to do all the 'make' and 'make install' stuff. Now, I have to uninstall wine. How would I go about uninstalling this build? TIA. Troy Davidson Linux User #311107 ** This messages was composed on a 100% Microsoft free computer ** make uninstall -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie-it] Wine non funziona
Ciao a tutti. Ho installato l'ultima versione di wine in formato rpm da sourgeforce. L'installazione va a buon fine ma quando digito wine mi riporta questo errore: wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Cosa posso fare? Ciao e grazie! Tiziano.
Re: [newbie-it] Wine non funziona
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 13:18, sabato 7 giugno 2003, in merito a [newbie-it] Wine non funziona, mandraker ha scritto: Ciao a tutti. Ho installato l'ultima versione di wine in formato rpm da sourgeforce. L'installazione va a buon fine ma quando digito wine mi riporta questo errore: wine: error while loading shared libraries: libntdll.dll.so: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory locate libntdll.dll.so se non lo trovi, ti manca qualche pacchetto che potrebbe fornirlo, è molto improbabile perchè solo wine dovrebbe avere librerie con quel nome... (potrebbe essere un link a un eventuale libntdll.so o libntdll.dll ma mi suona ancora strano..) dando per assodato che hai provato a lanciare ldconfig dopo l'installazione hai scaricato un rpm per mandrake? Cosa posso fare? Ciao e grazie! Tiziano. - -- bye miKe Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.20 @ hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 -- S.R.U.#705 -- R.M.#110932 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+4kyHF/9fksDJ4y0RAmlJAJ4psFzcEakACYsq1wiOFx1Cz7IQKwCbBwfk 88YoCaXhL3nVGum7GGDtvQg= =6TIL -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine or VM
On Thursday 03 April 2003 07:53 am, Lucio_Costa wrote: Depends what U wanbt to run... Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. Think of Wine as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely alternative implementation consisting of 100% Microsoft-free code, but it can optionally use native system DLLs if they are available. Wine provides both a development toolkit (Winelib) for porting Windows sources to Unix and a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows binaries to run on x86-based Unixes, including Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris. More information can be read in the articles Why Wine is so important (http://www.winehq.com/?page=why) In VMWare u need a Windows license to install in it. VMware Workstation is virtual machine software for technical professionals. It lets you run multiple versions of operating systems simultaneously on a single computer. Quit wasting time configuring hardware, installing software, rebooting/reconfiguring systems. Spend more time developing, testing, and deploying applications and delivering support. I think this is the most important thing to say. [Deleted] I dual boot between LM9.0 and win2k. The win2k applications I want are already installed on the win2k. Will I have to install them again on LM9.0 in order to use wine? Or can wine on LM9.0 run those applications that are already installed on the win2k (the win2k is on a FAT32 partition). Thanx, Seedkum Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Re: Wine or VM
I want to run a Windows program from Linux. Which would be better to use Wine or VM. William Brown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine or VM
On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 4:26 pm, William Brown wrote: I want to run a Windows program from Linux. Which would be better to use Wine or VM. William Brown Depends what you want to run, and which version of windows you have. Only wine is free. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine or VM
Depends what U wanbt to run... Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. Think of Wine as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely alternative implementation consisting of 100% Microsoft-free code, but it can optionally use native system DLLs if they are available. Wine provides both a development toolkit (Winelib) for porting Windows sources to Unix and a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows binaries to run on x86-based Unixes, including Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris. More information can be read in the articles Why Wine is so important (http://www.winehq.com/?page=why) In VMWare u need a Windows license to install in it. VMware Workstation is virtual machine software for technical professionals. It lets you run multiple versions of operating systems simultaneously on a single computer. Quit wasting time configuring hardware, installing software, rebooting/reconfiguring systems. Spend more time developing, testing, and deploying applications and delivering support. I think this is the most important thing to say. = []'s Lucio Costa Linux user #204519 We do what we can, we give what we have Our doubt is our passion and our passion is our task The rest is the madness of art. ___ Yahoo! Mail O melhor e-mail gratuito da internet: 6MB de espaço, antivírus, acesso POP3, filtro contra spam. http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine or VM
On Thursday 03 April 2003 05:53 am, Lucio_Costa wrote: Depends what U wanbt to run... Wine is an Open Source implementation of the Windows API on top of X and Unix. Think of Wine as a Windows compatibility layer. Wine does not require Microsoft Windows, as it is a completely alternative implementation consisting of 100% Microsoft-free code, but it can optionally use native system DLLs if they are available. Wine provides both a development toolkit (Winelib) for porting Windows sources to Unix and a program loader, allowing many unmodified Windows binaries to run on x86-based Unixes, including Linux, FreeBSD, and Solaris. More information can be read in the articles Why Wine is so important (http://www.winehq.com/?page=why) In VMWare u need a Windows license to install in it. VMware Workstation is virtual machine software for technical professionals. It lets you run multiple versions of operating systems simultaneously on a single computer. Quit wasting time configuring hardware, installing software, rebooting/reconfiguring systems. Spend more time developing, testing, and deploying applications and delivering support. I think this is the most important thing to say. = []'s Lucio Costa Linux user #204519 We do what we can, we give what we have Our doubt is our passion and our passion is our task The rest is the madness of art. ___ Yahoo! Mail O melhor e-mail gratuito da internet: 6MB de espaço, antivírus, acesso POP3, filtro contra spam. http://br.mail.yahoo.com/ -- Thanks, just want to run some Windows apps until I can get the thing on Linux. I also like the idea of making Windows subservient to Linux. Would like to never go back, ha ha, still too many people lost in M$ land. William Brown Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine or VM
On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 5:33 pm, William Brown wrote: On Thursday 03 April 2003 05:53 am, Lucio_Costa wrote: Quote: Thanks, just want to run some Windows apps until I can get the thing on Linux. I also like the idea of making Windows subservient to Linux. Would like to never go back, ha ha, still too many people lost in M$ land. /Quote Some advice, William, to take or leave as you wish. Start by making a list of all the thing you do in windows, and prioritise them. Start with the must-have's in terms of practicalities. If a linux stand-in isn't obvious, ask us, and we'll tell you the strengths and weaknesses of the candidates. Once they are sorted, go to the wouldn't-like-to-be-withouts. Tackle them one at a time. The just-nice-to-have ones can wait. By the time you've done that you'll know if there is something that really matters to you that has to be in windows. You then have to choose between wine, win4lin and vmware (in cost order) according to capabilities as well as cost. Ask for advice when you get there. Enjoy! Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine or VM
On Fri, 2003-04-04 at 01:53, Lucio_Costa wrote: In VMWare u need a Windows license to install in it. = []'s Lucio Costa What's a license? (g) -- Stephen Kuhn Help Desk Professional OzIT Support PTY LTD -- www.ozitsupport.com.au Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Re: Wine or VM
On Thursday 03 Apr 2003 6:48 pm, Lucio_Costa wrote: Yes... But try run Your programs in Wine, it's free. If You can't do this, VMware will be Your choise. Win4Lin is excellent for win98 programs, but not games. It is much cheaper than vmware, but doesn't do w2k. Anne -- Registered Linux User No.293302 Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Net2Phone Wine
On Thursday 30 Jan 2003 7:03 am, Rob Lindsay wrote: Has anybody managed to get N2P to work with Wine? If so, which version of Wine and which windoze files had to be copied to linux and to which folders/directories? TIA, Rob Dunno about Net2Phone, but the latest version of GnomeMeeting might be able to do what you want. http://www.pclinuxonline.com/modules.php?name=Newsfile=articlesid=4345mode=order=0thold=0 derek -- -- www.jennings.homelinux.net Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Net2Phone Wine
Has anybody managed to get N2P to work with Wine? If so, which version of Wine and which windoze files had to be copied to linux and to which folders/directories? TIA, Rob Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
[newbie] Installing WINE
Hello all, i'm a user of mandrake linux since 7 hours ago and i am having some troubles installing wine. i got this off the web elsewhere: first, untar the file: tar -xf wine.tar second, go to the directory it untarred: cd wine third, run the configure script: ./configure fourth, run the compiling script: make fifth, run the installing script: make install that should be all you have to do, unless you want to install to a different directory than the default. Problem is, i have no idea how to do that. Thanks in advance for any replies, matt _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie] Installing WINE
On Friday 03 January 2003 08:57 am, matt T wrote: Hello all, i'm a user of mandrake linux since 7 hours ago and i am having some troubles installing wine. i got this off the web elsewhere: first, untar the file: tar -xf wine.tar second, go to the directory it untarred: cd wine third, run the configure script: ./configure fourth, run the compiling script: make fifth, run the installing script: make install that should be all you have to do, unless you want to install to a different directory than the default. Problem is, i have no idea how to do that. Thanks in advance for any replies, matt _ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail You will need to use a terminal program (probably superuser mode) and enter the inputs from the command line. If you are not familiar with them, you might want to read up a little on the basic command line inputs for changing directories, copying and deleting files, etc. They are in the Command line documentation (get there in KDE by clicking on the red and white lifesaver). Start there and enjoy the learning experience. David -- -- ( )_( ) ( OO ) ( ) o Want to buy your Pack or Services from MandrakeSoft? Go to http://www.mandrakestore.com
Re: [newbie-it] wine
Alle 23:55, martedì 15 ottobre 2002, hai scritto: si' confermo che il wine della mdk 9, ancora prima di configurarlo, fa fuzionare molte cose: office 97, irfan view, e ho letto altrove molta altra roba. Ma in effetti dopo il primo entusasmo non so che farci. ...Etiam animalia post coitum tristia sunt... -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## -
Re: [newbie-it] wine
On Wed, 16 Oct 2002 15:26:26 +0200 francesco.melo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ecco credo che ancora per un po' il problema si porrà per i giochi che puntano al mercato ed alla diffusione con tecnologie troppo direct X e MS dipendenti ( ma per questo c'è winex :))) ). un pensiero... Un'altra mancanza sono oggetti tipo enciclopedie, dizionari, ... cd allegati a QuattroRuote o altre riviste. Buona parte di questi funzionano abbastanza decentemente con wine. Io uso spesso un dizionario di inglese della Zanichelli, trovato in una rivista. Anche qui, quando Linux prenderà piede nelle scuole, i CD di dizionari ed enciclopedie avranno un programma di consultazione per Linux. Al limite compilando con lib-wine quello attuale. ;-) Poi, verranno quelli delle riviste. Per il momento mi faccio un goccio di .. wine. ciao, Andrea
Re: [newbie-it] wine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Alle 12:48, martedì 15 ottobre 2002, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ha scritto: ho installato il pacchetto wine dalla distro ,in rpm...come faccio a vederlo? lanciando un programma win32 .. primo configura il wine.conf includendo i path che vuoi raggiungere (es. se hai win$ in /mnt/win agiungilo come disco virtuale) quindi lancerai wine --winver win98 (o quello che vuoi) /path/eseguibile_win32.exe se tutto andrà bene avrai una finestra con all'interno il programma grazie mario bye miKe ___ Slackware 8.1 GNU/Linux 2.4.19 @ hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 - S.R.U.#705 - R.M.#110932 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9rRFIF/9fksDJ4y0RAp3BAJ407EeHh+qiiwY0tjPhoRjKaZ3+/QCgrLbP eeEuOYaoa42MFZYDxwb7L9I= =e7YR -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[newbie-it] wine
ho installato il pacchetto wine dalla distro ,in rpm...come faccio a vederlo?grazie mario
Re: [newbie-it] wine
Alle 12:48, martedì 15 ottobre 2002, hai scritto: ho installato il pacchetto wine dalla distro ,in rpm...come faccio a vederlo?grazie mario ..Vedere, cosa? Una volta installato, wine, in teoria, è pronto per essere a) manipolato; b) testato con gli applicativi di Win che intendi utilizzare; non pensare a schermate di benvenuto tipo windozz, o console tipo grustibus; da cruda linea di comando dai il comando wine seguito dal percorso dell'applicativo, e vedi un po' che succede. Consigliabile una capatina al sito di Wine, il cui indirizzo troverai nella (parca) documentazione allegata al pacchetto; da lì potrai scaricare ulteriori documenti che potranno esserti utili nella configurazione dell'emulatore; personalmente mi sono scontrato con wine come un caprone contro un muro, ma pare che l'ultima versione, presente nella mdk 9.0, sia piuttosto maturata da un punto di vista dei risultati; per cui, auguri, e facci sapere dei tuoi progressi. Vale. -- - -- Fabio Manunza -- ## n° macchina 140545 ## -
Re: [newbie-it] wine
Alle 14:44, martedì 15 ottobre 2002, hai scritto: [CUT] personalmente mi sono scontrato con wine come un caprone contro un muro, ma pare che l'ultima versione, presente nella mdk 9.0, sia piuttosto maturata da un punto di vista dei risultati [CUT] ... meno male, non sono il solo ad avere le corna (in senso figurato) ancora ammaccate dai tentativi... ;-) Tentando e ritentando e modificando il file di configurazione a caso (o quasi), ero riuscito ad ottenere buoni risultati con wine sotto Mandrake 7.2 o 8.0 (non ricordo)... da allora non sono più riuscito a ripetere l'alchimia... è anche vero che sto usando Windows sempre meno, quindi l'esigenza di simulare programmi (almeno per me) sta diminuendo sempre più... rimane la curiosità, però! Ciao... Daniele
Re: [newbie-it] Wine, come si usa
On Tue, 2 Jul 2002 18:35:37 +0200 Benedetto Santarella [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Qualcuno di voi l'ha mai usato??? E se si,come si usa Ricopio una risposta che ho dato su un NG: 1) i programmi che girano sono pochi e, per il principio di malignità del caso, non son quelli che ti servono. 2) i programmi che girano senza problemi sono ncora meno e, per la legge di Murphy, sono quelli di cui non te ne frega nulla. 3) devi preparare un file di configurazione seguendo il modello che trovi nella documentazione. Altrimenti cerca tkwine che ti assiste graficamente nel farlo. Il wine che si scarica da wine.codeweavers.com lo ha già incluso. ciao, andrea
Re: [newbie-it] Wine, come si usa
Il mer, 2002-07-03 alle 12:19, Andrea Celli ha scritto: Ricopio una risposta che ho dato su un NG: 2) i programmi che girano senza problemi sono ncora meno e, per la legge di Murphy, sono quelli di cui non te ne frega nulla. E' vero: io riesco a far girare alla grandissima mIRC e il notepad, infatti :) Però devo dire che rispetto a qualche tempo fa programmi come Odigo o Yahoo Messenger continuano si a non funzionare, ma non funzionano un po' meglio a ogni nuova release di wine! Tuttavia, dato che mi sarebbe sorto un dubbio riguardo l'utilizzo di driver per win sotto emulazione, vorrei sapere se qualcuno sapesse indicarmi qualche how-to relativo all'argomento... Corrado
[newbie-it] Wine, come si usa
Qualcuno di voi l'ha mai usato??? E se si,come si usa Grazie \ | / (@ @) -o00-(_)-00o Benedetto Santarella -- Home Page == http://www.santarella.too.it Email : ( Per scrivermi togli -NOSPAM- ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] Wine, come si usa
In un altro luogo e in un altro tempo, Benedetto Santarella esclamo': Qualcuno di voi l'ha mai usato??? E se si,come si usa Non aspettarti miracoli, e' un piccolo emulatore non un mago ;) Cmq direi che puoi iniziare a leggerti la documentazione allegata al pacchetto, la documentazione sul sito (http://www.winehq.com/support/), incluso un apposito howto (http://www.la-sorciere.de/Wine-HOWTO/book1.html) -- L.U. #210970 L.M. #98222 S.U. #12583 - K 2.4.18-puro [Slackware 8.1]
Re: [newbie-it] Wine, come si usa
Alle 19:22, martedì 2 luglio 2002, hai scritto: In un altro luogo e in un altro tempo, Benedetto Santarella esclamo': Qualcuno di voi l'ha mai usato??? E se si,come si usa Non aspettarti miracoli, e' un piccolo emulatore non un mago ;) Cmq direi che puoi iniziare a leggerti la documentazione allegata al pacchetto, la documentazione sul sito (http://www.winehq.com/support/), incluso un apposito howto (http://www.la-sorciere.de/Wine-HOWTO/book1.html) Quando non conoscevo ancora Linux, mi fu' detto che c'era la possibilita' di far girare Win 85 sotto linux, era una balla o esiste qualche programma + potente di wine con cui far girare alcuni programmi di winzoz??? -- \ | / (@ @) -o00-(_)-00o Benedetto Santarella -- Home Page == http://www.santarella.too.it Email : ( Per scrivermi togli -NOSPAM- ) [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: [newbie-it] Wine, come si usa
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 19:38, martedì 2 luglio 2002, in merito a Re: [newbie-it] Wine, come si usa, Benedetto Santarella ha scritto: Quando non conoscevo ancora Linux, mi fu' detto che c'era la possibilita' di far girare Win 85 sotto linux, era una balla o esiste qualche programma + potente di wine con cui far girare alcuni programmi di winzoz??? vmware è un emulatore di machina, non di sistema puoi simulare il funzionamento di un calcolatore, sul quale installare il sistema operativo che vuoi bye miKe __ Slackware 8 GNU/Linux 2.4.18 hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 - S.R.U.#705 - R.M.#110932 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE9Ieq4F/9fksDJ4y0RAomxAJ4/wIubAvhzl6tZ10BCvZuOWbcX+wCdFA8g yslUax0K6EoDK5aI+xC7k20= =+593 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: [newbie-it] Wine, come si usa
In un altro luogo e in un altro tempo, Benedetto Santarella esclamo': Quando non conoscevo ancora Linux, mi fu' detto che c'era la possibilita' di far girare Win 85 sotto linux, era una balla o esiste qualche programma + potente di wine con cui far girare alcuni programmi di winzoz??? Anche con wine dovresti riuscire a far funzionare qualcosa (non particolarmente complicato pero'). Alternative adatte allo scopo (e con altre caratteristiche) sono: - wineX, una versione modificata di wine, ad uso eminentemente ludico (di ww.transgaming.com): AFAIK e' a pagamento la versione binaria precompilata; - bochs - plex86 - win4lin (commerciale) - vmware (commerciale) Fai una ricerca in rete per le homepage relative. -- L.U. #210970 L.M. #98222 S.U. #12583 - K 2.4.18-puro [Slackware 8.1]
[newbie-it] wine
cercando di usare un file.exe con wine mi ha dato questo output! che posso fare? Loading required GL library /usr/X11R6/lib/libGL.so.1.2 Building font metrics. This may take some time... fixme:font:LFD_InitFontInfo DBCS fonts like '-daewoo-gothic-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-160-ksc5601.1987-0' are not working correctly now. fixme:font:LFD_InitFontInfo DBCS fonts like '-daewoo-mincho-medium-r-normal--16-120-100-100-c-160-ksc5601.1987-0' are not working correctly now. fixme:font:LFD_InitFontInfo DBCS fonts like '-daewoo-mincho-medium-r-normal--24-170-100-100-c-240-ksc5601.1987-0' are not working correctly now. fixme:font:LFD_InitFontInfo DBCS fonts like '-default-ming-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-big5-0' are not working correctly now. fixme:font:LFD_InitFontInfo DBCS fonts like '-default-ming-medium-r-normal--16-160-72-72-c-160-gb2312.1980-0' are not working correctly now. fixme:font:LFD_InitFontInfo DBCS fonts like '-default-ming-medium-r-normal--20-200-72-72-c-200-big5-0' are not working correctly now. [...] __ Vuoi fare a botte? Scarica i nervi su Fight Club! http://fightclub.lycos.it
Re: [newbie-it] wine
Se ti interessa io ho provato Vmware e va davvero bene te la consiglio.. - Original Message - From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: M.L [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2002 6:42 PM Subject: [newbie-it] wine Salve ragazzi! Come avrete capito dal oggetto mi sto cimentando con questo emulatore... ma non funge! ok dovrebbe emulare programmi MS-bindows...magari si rifiuta,o cosa ancora piu probabbile io non l'ho saputo configurae a dovere! l'errore che mi riporta è questo di seguito. Capite a cosa fa riferimento l'errore? Grazie degli eventuali chiarimenti Ciao , Tom -- - [root@*** HOME]# wine /mnt/windows/Programmi/TinMessenger/TinMessenger.exe err:module:map_image Could not map section .text, file probably truncated err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) socks5.dll (which is needed by C:\Programmi\TinMessenger\TinMessenger.exe) not found -- -- p.s. se servono altre infoditemenelolo'
Re: [newbie-it] wine
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Il 18:42, domenica 26 maggio 2002, in merito a [newbie-it] wine, tom ha scritto: Salve ragazzi! Come avrete capito dal oggetto mi sto cimentando con questo emulatore... ma non funge! come l'hai configurato? comunque considera che non è certo miracoloso.. a cosa fa riferimento l'errore? socks5.dll (which is needed by C:\Programmi\TinMessenger\TinMessenger.exe) not found non trova una dll dubito comunque che riesca ad emularti quel programma.. Ciao , Tom bye miKe __ Slackware 8 GNU/Linux 2.4.18 hp Xe3 R.U.#219755 - S.R.U.#705 - R.M.#110932 - -- -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE88kWCF/9fksDJ4y0RAuBBAJ44kWwpi1wF1nxiHdRmiJBQ3wi87wCeKP7H nv4FRCvlnAmVa4W+GaqPaIE= =dcx7 -END PGP SIGNATURE-
[newbie-it] wine
Salve ragazzi! Come avrete capito dal oggetto mi sto cimentando con questo emulatore... ma non funge! ok dovrebbe emulare programmi MS-bindows...magari si rifiuta,o cosa ancora piu probabbile io non l'ho saputo configurae a dovere! l'errore che mi riporta è questo di seguito. Capite a cosa fa riferimento l'errore? Grazie degli eventuali chiarimenti Ciao , Tom --- [root@*** HOME]# wine /mnt/windows/Programmi/TinMessenger/TinMessenger.exe err:module:map_image Could not map section .text, file probably truncated err:module:PE_fixup_imports Module (file) socks5.dll (which is needed by C:\Programmi\TinMessenger\TinMessenger.exe) not found p.s. se servono altre infoditemenelolo'
Re: [newbie-it] wine
Il 15:40, lunedì 11 marzo 2002, hai scritto: Salute alla lista. Qualche giorno fa ho voluto installare l'RPM di wine, dalla mdk8.1, sul mio computer che, oltre alla succitata distribuzione, ha anche WinME. Il risultato però è alquanto miserello, poichè non sono riuscito a far partire alcuna applicazione win, ne cliccando sull'icona, ne con il comando da terminale /usr/bin/winereal eccetera. Anch'io purtroppo ho fatto questa triste esperienza Tommaso
