RE: OT - ugh!

[Ken Schaefer]

There are many, many consultants out there. Even in a much smaller market like 
Australia, there are plenty of SQL Server, Messaging, Networking, AD, Citrix, 
whatever consultants. These guys will move between vendors and doing their own 
thing. There's no need to be working for a Fortune 100 company - plenty of 
companies in a place like Australia or Singapore or Hong Kong (or any European 
country, Japan, India, etc. etc.) that is 25K+ seats - so still a decent size - 
needing outside expertise when standing up a new technology. At $200/hour, 
you're not going to be doing grunt work - you'd be doing architecture/design, 
or troubleshooting issues.

Having the contacts is key - either former co-workers, or having the necessary 
reputation. Once you have a decent number of (successful) gigs under your belt, 
you'll be getting call backs. 

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, 7 February 2012 9:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing daily 
grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations, applying 
antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so specialised that 
your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company on its staff doing 
something that only applies to 3 other companies in the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT foodchain 
- and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my 
> own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as 
> there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  
> Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, 
> MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission!
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
> From: David Lum 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own 
> biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always 
> amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even 
> have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I 
> am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these 
> clients I can go months with nothing other than patching.


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Congrats. :)

* *

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On Thu, Feb 9, 2012 at 1:25 PM, James Rankin  wrote:

> Just as a follow-up to this I have to say thanks to everyone for giving me
> the guts to ask a client to wait if they want me to do a job for them. Just
> managed to negotiate with someone to hold off for a few weeks till I become
> available, so now I have four very interesting projects on the go at once.
>
> Before I went through this thread I'd probably have been afraid to ask
> them to wait in case they just went and found someone else, I guess if they
> think they've got someone lined up with the required expertise they will be
> willing to hold off a bit.
>
> Now just gotta make sure I don't disappoint them. :-)  But I really
> appreciate all the advice on this thread (and others), they've really
> helped me out bettering myself quite a bit over the last year and a half.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 7 February 2012 22:25, Rod Trent  wrote:
>
>> You could always take part in a larger community and become an expert
>> there, instead of setting up shop on an island somewhere, where you’re only
>> an expert to yourself.  J
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *Rod Trent <http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/community/members/rodtrent/>
>> *
>>
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>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:06 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I'm one of them. We don't use AppSense yet, but at least one of our
>> contracts will be using it this year.  Never know when things come in handy
>> :-)
>>
>> I'm thinking of setting up a blog/wiki type site to keep my scripts and
>> other titbits of info and reference stored in a single place.  Just have to
>> decide which suits better.  Thinking of a name is the hardest part.
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>
>>

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Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Just as a follow-up to this I have to say thanks to everyone for giving me
the guts to ask a client to wait if they want me to do a job for them. Just
managed to negotiate with someone to hold off for a few weeks till I become
available, so now I have four very interesting projects on the go at once.

Before I went through this thread I'd probably have been afraid to ask them
to wait in case they just went and found someone else, I guess if they
think they've got someone lined up with the required expertise they will be
willing to hold off a bit.

Now just gotta make sure I don't disappoint them. :-)  But I really
appreciate all the advice on this thread (and others), they've really
helped me out bettering myself quite a bit over the last year and a half.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 22:25, Rod Trent  wrote:

> You could always take part in a larger community and become an expert
> there, instead of setting up shop on an island somewhere, where you’re only
> an expert to yourself.  J
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *Rod Trent <http://myitforum.com/myitforumwp/community/members/rodtrent/>*
>
> [image: Description: myITSMButton] <http://www.myitforum.com/>[image:
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> 
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:06 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> I'm one of them. We don't use AppSense yet, but at least one of our
> contracts will be using it this year.  Never know when things come in handy
> :-)
>
> I'm thinking of setting up a blog/wiki type site to keep my scripts and
> other titbits of info and reference stored in a single place.  Just have to
> decide which suits better.  Thinking of a name is the hardest part.
>
> Tony
>
> On Feb 7, 2012 8:26 PM, "James Rankin"  wrote:
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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RE: OT - ugh!

[James Hill]

LOL.. 

Are you able to give us some of the stats Jacob?  They'd be very interesting
I'm sure.

James.

-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Thursday, 9 February 2012 5:37 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
<http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

>Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
>just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>> Amen.
>>
>> **
>> *ASB*
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
>> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I get that a lot. J
>>
>>  
>>
>> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
>> know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
>> blog.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
>> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
>> actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
>> drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
>> on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
>> be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
>> already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>
>>  
>>
>>     Keep it up.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *James Rankin > <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>
>>
>> *To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
>> I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
>> for the title for my blog.
>>
>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>>

Re: OT - ugh!

[Bill Humphries]

heh.  i might start reading webster's blog.

Bill

Jacob wrote:

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
<http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

  
Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?


Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:


Amen.

**
*ASB*
*http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
*Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ

*




On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:


I get that a lot. J

 


And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
blog.

 


Regards,

 


Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 


*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


*To:* NT System Admin Issues
*Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 


I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:

Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

 


Keep it up.

 

 


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>

 


*From: *James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
*Reply-To: *NT Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>

*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


    *To: *NT Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 


Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
for the title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:

PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
software with a LOT of options.


  




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RE: OT - ugh!

[Jacob]

Unfortunately no... VMWare and RDP

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 12:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

LOL, ummm do they "do" anything Citrix related?  Or is this more related to
the "open directory" thread? 


Carl Webster
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<http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 10:36 AM, "Jacob"  wrote:

>1 million views? That is all?
>
>I can offer content that will exploded your views...



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

They might have question about what that guy was doing with a squirrel

2012/2/8 Michael B. Smith 

> That I can also let my mom, dad, and 13-y/o look at? :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:37 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> 1 million views? That is all?
>
> I can offer content that will exploded your views...
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P
>
> That's assume.  :)
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
> What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
> able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
> Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
> fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
> my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
> 1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this
> on
> Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
> <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:
>
> >Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you
> >just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
> >
> >Bill
> >
> >
> >
> >Andrew S. Baker wrote:
> >> Amen.
> >>
> >> **
> >> *ASB*
> >> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
> >> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
> >>
> >> *
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith
> >> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> I get that a lot. J
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
> >> know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
> >> blog.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Michael B. Smith
> >>
> >> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> >>
> >> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
> >> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
> >> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
> >>
> >>
> >> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> >> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
> >> actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
> >> drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
> >> on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
> >> be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
> >> already making some more contacts, which is cool.
> >>
> >>     Cheers,
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> JR
> >>
> >> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster  >> <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
> >>
> >> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Keep it up.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Carl Webster
> >>
> >> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> >>
> >> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From: *James Rankin  >> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
> >> *Reply-To: *NT Issues  >> <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> >>
> >> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
> >>
> >>
> >> *To: *NT Issues  >> <mailto

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Sure, haven't you heard of Naked Fruit?

http://www.nakedjuice.com/


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 10:49 AM, "Michael B. Smith"  wrote:

>That I can also let my mom, dad, and 13-y/o look at? :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael B. Smith
>Consultant and Exchange MVP
>http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:37 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
>1 million views? That is all?
>
>I can offer content that will exploded your views...
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
>Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
>Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P
>
>That's assume.  :)
>



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Sean Martin]

Pun intended?

- Sean

On Feb 8, 2012, at 10:36 AM, "Jacob"  wrote:

> 1 million views? That is all?
> 
> I can offer content that will exploded your views...
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> 
> Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P
> 
> That's assume.  :)
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> 
> What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
> able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
> Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
> fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
> my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
> 1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
> Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.
> 
> 
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
> <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:
> 
>> Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
>> just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>>> Amen.
>>> 
>>> **
>>> *ASB*
>>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
>>> 
>>> *
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
>>> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>I get that a lot. J
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
>>>know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
>>>blog.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Michael B. Smith
>>> 
>>>Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>> 
>>>http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
>>><mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
>>>*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>>> 
>>> 
>>>*To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>>*Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
>>>actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
>>>drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
>>>on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
>>>be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
>>>already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>>> 
>>>    Cheers,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>JR
>>> 
>>>On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster >><mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>> 
>>>Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Keep it up.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Carl Webster
>>> 
>>>Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>> 
>>>http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>*From: *James Rankin >><mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
>>>*Reply-To: *NT Issues >><mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>>> 
>>>*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>> 
>>> 
>>>*To: *NT Issues >><mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>>>*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
>>>I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>> 
>>>Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
>>>for the title for my blog.
>>> 
>>>Anyone else who may

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

LOL, ummm do they "do" anything Citrix related?  Or is this more related
to the "open directory" thread? 


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com 






On 2/8/12 10:36 AM, "Jacob"  wrote:

>1 million views? That is all?
>
>I can offer content that will exploded your views...



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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

That I can also let my mom, dad, and 13-y/o look at? :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Jacob [mailto:ja...@excaliburfilms.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 2:37 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
<http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

>Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
>just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>> Amen.
>>
>> **
>> *ASB*
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
>> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I get that a lot. J
>>
>>  
>>
>> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
>> know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
>> blog.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>>     http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
>> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
>> actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
>> drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
>> on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
>> be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
>> already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Keep it up.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *James Rankin > <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>
>>
>> *To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
>> I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
>> for the title for my blog.
>>
>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fello

RE: OT - ugh!

[Jacob]

1 million views? That is all?

I can offer content that will exploded your views...

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 10:20 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the
1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on
Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
<http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

>Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
>just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>> Amen.
>>
>> **
>> *ASB*
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
>> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I get that a lot. J
>>
>>  
>>
>> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
>> know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
>> blog.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>>     http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
>> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
>> actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
>> drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
>> on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
>> be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
>> already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Keep it up.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *James Rankin > <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>
>>
>> *To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
>> I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
>> for the title for my blog.
>>
>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
>> software with a LOT of options.
>>
>> 



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RE: OT - ugh!

[Mathew Shember]

Ok rub in.  I suck.  :-P

That's assume.  :)



-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was able 
to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am fast 
approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of my 
articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on the 1st 
day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do this on Feb. 
1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com 
<http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

>Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
>just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>> Amen.
>>
>> **
>> *ASB*
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
>> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I get that a lot. J
>>
>>  
>>
>> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
>> know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
>> blog.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>>     http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
>> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
>> actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
>> drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
>> on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
>> be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
>> already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Keep it up.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *James Rankin > <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>
>>
>> *To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
>> I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
>> for the title for my blog.
>>
>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
>> software with a LOT of options.
>>
>> 



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

What surprised me after I posted my very first article was how fast I was
able to find it via Google.  It was like 15 minutes and Google had it.
Within an hour I had a few hundred hits  Totally blew my mind.  I am
fast approaching 1 million views for my blog.  The view counts for some of
my articles just blows me away.  I have always updated my blog stats on
the 1st day of the month.  I have been so busy with work, I forgot to do
this on Feb. 1st so I don't have current counts.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/8/12 7:39 AM, "Bill Humphries"  wrote:

>Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you
>just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
>
>Bill
>
>
>
>Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>> Amen.
>>
>> **
>> *ASB*
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB marketŠ
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith
>> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I get that a lot. J
>>
>>  
>>
>> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
>> know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it ­ search on my
>> blog.
>>
>>  
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>>  
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
>> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
>> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>>
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
>> actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
>> drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
>> on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
>> be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
>> already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Keep it up.
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>  
>>
>> *From: *James Rankin > <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
>> *Reply-To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>>
>> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>
>>
>> *To: *NT Issues > <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  
>>
>> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
>> I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
>> for the title for my blog.
>>
>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster > <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>>
>> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
>> software with a LOT of options.
>>
>> 



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

Unless you are attempting to game the system, the best SEO is to have a
well structured code and content people want to read and reference (link
to).  Being consistent in content significantly helps as well.  Pretty much
any modern blog or CMS will do this for you.
Steven Peck
http://www.blkmtn.org

On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 8:39 AM, Bill Humphries wrote:

> Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you
> just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> Andrew S. Baker wrote:
>
>> Amen.
>>
>> **
>> *ASB*
>> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
>> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…
>>
>> *
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
>> > mich...@smithcons.com>**> wrote:
>>
>>I get that a lot. J
>>
>>
>>And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
>>know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my
>>blog.
>>
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>
>>Michael B. Smith
>>
>>Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>>http://TheEssentialExchange.**com <http://TheEssentialExchange.com>
>>
>>
>>*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
>><mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>**]
>>*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>>
>>
>>*To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>*Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>
>>
>>I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
>>actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
>>drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
>>on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
>>be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
>>already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>JR
>>
>>On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster >
>><mailto:webster@carlwebster.**com >> wrote:
>>
>>Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>
>>
>>Keep it up.
>>
>>
>>
>>Carl Webster
>>
>>Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>>http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>
>>*From: *James Rankin ><mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>**>
>>*Reply-To: *NT Issues 
>> 
>>
>> <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.com
>> >>
>>
>>*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>
>>
>>*To: *NT Issues 
>> 
>>
>> <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.com
>> >>
>>*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>
>>
>>Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
>>I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>>Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
>>for the title for my blog.
>>
>>Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>>http://appsensebigot.blogspot.**com<http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com>
>>
>>Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>    JR
>>
>>On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster ><mailto:webster@carlwebster.**com >> wrote:
>>
>>PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>>CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
>>software with a LOT of options.
>>
>>
>>Thanks
>>
>>
>>
>>Carl Webster
>>
>>Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>>http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>
>>*From: *James Rankin ><mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>**>
>>*Reply-To: *NT Issues 
>> 
>>
>> <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.com
>> >>
>>*Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>>
>>
>>*To: *NT Issues 
>> 
>>
>> <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.**sunbelt-software.com
>> >>
>>*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>
>>
>>I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
>>anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
>>concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at
>>the 

RE: OT - ugh!

[Mathew Shember]

Well?  I started one on my virtualization adventures.  Like Michael I use it 
mainly for personal reference.  

Leaving it to error messages and wordpress.  Activity has been rather light.  I 
get about 5-10 a day.   It's interesting to see where the hits come from. 

SEO can't hurt especially if you want greater traffic.

Thanks,
Mathew


-Original Message-
From: Bill Humphries [mailto:nt...@hedgedigger.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2012 8:40 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you just 
put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?

Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:
> Amen.
>
> **
> *ASB*
> *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
> *Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market...
>
> *
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
> mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
>
> I get that a lot. J
>
>  
>
> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
> know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it - search on my
> blog.
>
>  
>
> Regards,
>
>  
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>  
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
> <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  
>
> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
> actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
> drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
> on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
> be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
> already making some more contacts, which is cool.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster  <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>
> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>
>  
>
> Keep it up.
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>  
>
>     *From: *James Rankin  <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues  <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
>
> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>
>
> *To: *NT Issues  <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  
>
> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
> I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.
>
> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
> for the title for my blog.
>
> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  <mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
>
> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
> software with a LOT of options.
>
>  
>
> Thanks
>
>      
>
>  
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>  
>
> *From: *James Rankin  <mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues  <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>
>
> *To: *NT Issues  <mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  
>
> I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
> anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
> concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at
> the moment, IMO)
>
>  
>
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~ 
> <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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> with the body: unsubscribe ntsysadmin
>

Re: OT - ugh!

[Bill Humphries]

Out of curiosity, do you guys worry about SEO and your blog?  Or do you 
just put it up there and let wordpress or whatever do its thing?


Bill



Andrew S. Baker wrote:

Amen.

**
*ASB*
*http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*
*Harnessing the Advantages of Technology for the SMB market…

*




On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:


I get that a lot. J

 


And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I
know I wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my
blog.

 


Regards,

 


Michael B. Smith

Consultant and Exchange MVP

http://TheEssentialExchange.com

 


*From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com
<mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>]
*Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM


*To:* NT System Admin Issues
    *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!

 


I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's
actually kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than
drag them everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense
on to me correcting me on some of the product features (they must
be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears that I am
already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:

Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

 


Keep it up.

 

 


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>

 


*From: *James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
*Reply-To: *NT Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>

*Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +


*To: *NT Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 


Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and
I seem to be enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker
for the title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:

PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of
software with a LOT of options.

 


Thanks

 

 


Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>

 


*From: *James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
*Reply-To: *NT Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
*Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +0000


    *To: *NT Issues mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
*Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!

 


I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at
the moment, IMO)

 



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RE: OT - ugh!

[Mathew Shember]

Indeed.

One of my wife's friends was that way.  We would go somewhere just to hang out 
and the pitch would eventually happen.

Some can't help themselves especially if you happen to work for a large company.

Luckily my job keeps me away from my desk phone.  ;-)


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
>> I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now, and every 
>> salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting 
>> thing.
>
> If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
> A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.

  It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's cost 
them business (i.e., calling every month "just to see what's going on", no 
matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam delivered via telephone is 
still spam.

  Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.

-- Ben

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RE: OT - ugh!

[ntsysadmin]

I agree totally. Right now about 80% of the IT work I do is on a volunteer 
basis, for a medium-sized private school. I love the work and enjoy knowing 
that I'm helping to fill a position that would otherwise detract from the 
teachers' salaries or maybe not be filled at all. I also have enough side work 
to keep the bills paid for now. :)

Mike

"If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it.  And it by 
chance you do make it, you will not be happy.

I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD do).  I 
have actually told prospects that I have an article written that covers the 
work they want me to do.  They can follow the article and if they have any 
questions or problems, give me a call."


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 6:00 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it.  And it by 
chance you do make it, you will not be happy.

I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD do).  I 
have actually told prospects that I have an article written that covers the 
work they want me to do.  They can follow the article and if they have any 
questions or problems, give me a call.

You know what?  I am not having to worry about money. :)

BTW, if you know some Linux/Unix stuff AND you are a packet-head type person, 
you should get into the Citrix NetScaler.  As busy as us XenApp and XenDesktop 
people are, my NetScaler friends are buried in work and can't keep up.  I know 
three CTPs whose businesses are BEGGING for NetScaler people.  And most 
NetScaler work can be done remotely.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com 
<http://www.carlwebster.com/>



On 2/7/12 1:30 PM, "ANDREW F OFALT"  wrote:

>I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job.
>Not quite my passion...
>
>But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to 
>
>
>1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized
>platform) and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would 
>be a good addition.
>The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE.
>The next 3 year job - to be determined.  Or insert you own views for my 
>development at your company.
>
>I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable 
>in most...
>
>Contact me offline for the positions you want me in.  Also provide the 
>information for each 3 year period you would want me to work.
>Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when 
>changing jobs.
>Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have 
>had a lot of diversification with the system admins that have gone 
>through our network.  Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then 
>moves on after setting up his own opinion.  Then we are left to 
>troubleshoot the problems and try to provide reliability with what was left.
>
>They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and 
>not to do things.
>We are exposed.
>
>I am looking "to make it" in "your" next review cycle.
>
>Andy0



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Jon Harris]

I would suggest you get the first one of those two on the to do list.  I
can't comment much on the second as that is my major problem as well.

Jon

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:28 PM, James Rankin  wrote:

> I did give some thought to that, it's on my to-do list right next to
> "build a decent lab" and "try to stop eating as much rich food"
>
> On 7 February 2012 19:17, Steven Peck  wrote:
>
>> I will suggest you invest in your own domain name.  (You can still use
>> blogspot).  It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and
>> later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose
>> the existing work or your 'identity branding'.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin wrote:
>>
>>> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
>>> to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>>
>>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for
>>> the title for my blog.
>>>
>>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> JR
>>>
>>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:
>>>
>>>>   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>>>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
>>>> with a LOT of options.
>>>>
>>>>  Thanks
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Carl Webster
>>>>
>>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>>>
>>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>>>
>>>>   From: James Rankin 
>>>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>>>>
>>>> To: NT Issues 
>>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>>>
>>>>   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
>>>> anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
>>>> concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
>>>> moment, IMO)
>>>> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
>>>> --
>>>> *From: *Webster 
>>>> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
>>>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>>>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>>>
>>>>   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed
>>>> and prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people
>>>> started reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the
>>>> Citrix space.  Once I got a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got
>>>> the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart 
>>>> people.
>>>>
>>>>  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much
>>>> Citrix work can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the
>>>> world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
>>>> Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.
>>>>
>>>>  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have
>>>> anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what
>>>> opens up for you.
>>>>
>>>>  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you
>>>> to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.
>>>>  Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.
>>>>
>>>>  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you
>>>> see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network
>>>> Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).
>>>>
>>>>  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work
>>>> offers every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes
>>>> my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.
>>>>
>>>>  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I
>>>> thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr

Re: OT - ugh!

[Matthew W. Ross]

We tell all sales calls, especially any cold calls, that we prefer any 
correspondence via email. We inform them that we answer support calls for a 
school district, and we don't have time to discuss every vendor's 
product/service and the opportunities they may provide. If we like the product 
and we are genuinely interested, we will contact them back.

Most sales people are kind enough to comply to our request.


--Matt Ross
Ephrata School District


- Original Message -
From: Ben Scott
[mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
To: NT System Admin Issues
[mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com]
Sent: Tue, 07 Feb 2012
14:00:53 -0800
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!


> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link 
> wrote:
> >> I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now,
> >> and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling
> >> in-person meeting thing.
> >
> > If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
> > A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.
> 
>   It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's
> cost them business (i.e., calling every month "just to see what's
> going on", no matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam
> delivered via telephone is still spam.
> 
>   Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.
> 
> -- Ben
> 
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> 
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

If you get into anything just for the money, you will not make it.  And it
by chance you do make it, you will not be happy.

I give away a lot of time and info for free (as I know MBS, ASB and BD
do).  I have actually told prospects that I have an article written that
covers the work they want me to do.  They can follow the article and if
they have any questions or problems, give me a call.

You know what?  I am not having to worry about money. :)

BTW, if you know some Linux/Unix stuff AND you are a packet-head type
person, you should get into the Citrix NetScaler.  As busy as us XenApp
and XenDesktop people are, my NetScaler friends are buried in work and
can't keep up.  I know three CTPs whose businesses are BEGGING for
NetScaler people.  And most NetScaler work can be done remotely.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com 



On 2/7/12 1:30 PM, "ANDREW F OFALT"  wrote:

>I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job.
>Not quite my passion...
>
>But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to
>
>
>1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized
>platform) and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would
>be a good addition.
>The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE.
>The next 3 year job - to be determined.  Or insert you own views for my
>development at your company.
>
>I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable
>in most...
>
>Contact me offline for the positions you want me in.  Also provide the
>information for each 3 year period you would want me to work.
>Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when
>changing jobs.
>Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have had
>a lot of diversification with the system admins that have gone through
>our network.  Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then moves on
>after setting up his own opinion.  Then we are left to troubleshoot the
>problems and try to provide reliability with what was left.
>
>They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and
>not to do things.
>We are exposed.
>
>I am looking "to make it" in "your" next review cycle.
>
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Re: OT - ugh!

[ANDREW F OFALT]

I agree with this, unfortunately I find looking for a job to be a job.  Not 
quite my passion...

But I am looking for a job so my plan over the next 9 years would be to 

1st 3 years - get a certification in VMware (or on any virtualized platform) 
and from this list it looks like a Citrix Certification would be a good 
addition.
The next 3 year job - get a up to date certification in CCNE and MCSE.
The next 3 year job - to be determined.  Or insert you own views for my 
development at your company.

I am pretty good with the basics and consider myself very knowledgeable in 
most...

Contact me offline for the positions you want me in.  Also provide the 
information for each 3 year period you would want me to work.
Of course I expect a decent salary and significant increases when changing jobs.
Even though I have been at my present job for quite a while, we have had a lot 
of diversification with the system admins that have gone through our network.  
Each one brings in his own ideas and setups, then moves on after setting up his 
own opinion.  Then we are left to troubleshoot the problems and try to provide 
reliability with what was left.

They bring in their own new ways so we do see different ways to do and not to 
do things.
We are exposed.

I am looking "to make it" in "your" next review cycle.

Andy0

- Original Message -
I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been in one 
place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to have much in 
the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a new customer or 
take a new position at a new company, you're going to see new ways to do 
things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll see them, and even 
more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads. 

Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally every 
few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way of not 
making it in review cycles. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

"Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues."

Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no project 
management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating the network 
like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding and stabilize 
the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a more proactive 
approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave details.)

I guess they rather have the fires...


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman  wrote:
> That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 
> years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
>
> I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice 
> people so far.
>
> I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows 
> background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Don K
>
> 
> From: Jacob Kisner 
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
> Subject: OT - ugh!
>
> Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a 
> different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we 
> are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we 
> changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company 
> for 15 years..."  WTF?
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:07 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> I do try to get my name in front of past customers at
> least once a quarter, usually via a quick-tip of some type that I think would
> apply to their environment.

  Well, you're an independent consultant, which is a bit different.
You're your own marketing person, generally working closely with the
customer and on the deliverable.  You're not some weenie who got my
employer's name out of a leads database because they just bought a new
building and that shows up in public record, or a parts vendor that
has my name on file because I bought something from you once in 2003.
:-)

-- Ben

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Rod Trent]

You could always take part in a larger community and become an expert there,
instead of setting up shop on an island somewhere, where you're only an
expert to yourself.  J

 

 

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From: Tony Patton [mailto:apco...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:06 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

 

I'm one of them. We don't use AppSense yet, but at least one of our
contracts will be using it this year.  Never know when things come in handy
:-)

I'm thinking of setting up a blog/wiki type site to keep my scripts and
other titbits of info and reference stored in a single place.  Just have to
decide which suits better.  Thinking of a name is the hardest part.

Tony

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than
> with someone who you just "found on the Internet".

  Absolutely.

  But I also know how sales works.  They've been trained to ask how
I'm doing at the start of the call, to make fake small talk, to try
and get an in-person meeting.  They want to get my contact info so
they can re-contact me different ways.  They want to get a time frame
so they know when to call me back.  All of this information will be
put into their CRM/SFA, which will remind them of it when it's next
relevant.  The majority of them follow this script to the letter.
It's incredibly transparent.

  So them doing all that does not build trust with me, anymore than
them hanging a sign around their neck that says "Trust Me" would.  :-)

  And it's a hard problem, from both sides.  They're supposed to
convince me that they'll do a good job.  I've got to figure out how
good a job they'll do.  Neither of us has any tool that can easily
give us what we want.

> I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware
> or software purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way.

  I'm actually looking for services, but not so much of the
"independent consultant" type.  Conversations with tech people would
be more useful, even if it's just a wire monkey.  But at this stage
it's all salesdroids who don't even know what they're selling half the
time.  :-/

-- Ben

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Jonathan Link]

We found you on the internet...

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 5:04 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> Oh Ben, I bet it even works on you. :-)
>
> I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than with
> someone who you just "found on the Internet".
>
> Perhaps I'm wrong - but I doubt it.
>
> I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware or
> software purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
> > It would always
> > bore me how they'd spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates
> and
> > the wives and the kids - but you know - it makes a difference. It's
> called
> > "relationship building" and it helps establish trust and rapport.
>
>   That stuff annoys the heck out of me.  I'm doing RFPs and vendor
> selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants
> to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing.  I have no interest
> in it.  It does not advance me towards the goals.
>
>  I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why
> they do it.  Still annoying.
>
> -- Ben
>
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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I would never do that. I do try to get my name in front of past customers at 
least once a quarter, usually via a quick-tip of some type that I think would 
apply to their environment.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 5:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
>> I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now,
>> and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling
>> in-person meeting thing.
>
> If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
> A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.

  It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's
cost them business (i.e., calling every month "just to see what's
going on", no matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam
delivered via telephone is still spam.

  Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.

-- Ben

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

Oh Ben, I bet it even works on you. :-)

I'm sure you feel more confident dealing with someone you trust than with 
someone who you just "found on the Internet".

Perhaps I'm wrong - but I doubt it.

I do understand your point. And when I'm looking at making hardware or software 
purchases (no services) I agree that it gets in the way.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Ben Scott [mailto:mailvor...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 4:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> It would always
> bore me how they'd spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates and
> the wives and the kids - but you know - it makes a difference. It's called
> "relationship building" and it helps establish trust and rapport.

  That stuff annoys the heck out of me.  I'm doing RFPs and vendor
selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants
to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing.  I have no interest
in it.  It does not advance me towards the goals.

  I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why
they do it.  Still annoying.

-- Ben

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[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:42 PM, Jonathan Link  wrote:
>> I'm doing RFPs and vendor selection and all that right now,
>> and every salesdroid I talk to wants to do the touchy-feeling
>> in-person meeting thing.
>
> If you tell them that you don't like to be handled, they won't.
> A lot of sales people can turn it on and off.

  It surprises me how many can't turn it off.  To the point where it's
cost them business (i.e., calling every month "just to see what's
going on", no matter how many times I've told them not to).  Spam
delivered via telephone is still spam.

  Of course, many do listen, which is appreciated.

-- Ben

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[Ben Scott]

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:03 PM, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> It would always
> bore me how they’d spend time talking about the bosses and subordinates and
> the wives and the kids – but you know – it makes a difference. It’s called
> “relationship building” and it helps establish trust and rapport.

  That stuff annoys the heck out of me.  I'm doing RFPs and vendor
selection and all that right now, and every salesdroid I talk to wants
to do the touchy-feeling in-person meeting thing.  I have no interest
in it.  It does not advance me towards the goals.

  I realize that glad-handing works on a lot of people, so that's why
they do it.  Still annoying.

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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Amen.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  I get that a lot. J
>
> ** **
>
> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I
> wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my blog. 
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
> kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
> everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
> correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
> keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
> contacts, which is cool.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster  wrote:
>
> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>
> ** **
>
> Keep it up.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *James Rankin 
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
>
> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>
>
> *To: *NT Issues 
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
> to be enjoying it! Good call.
>
> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the
> title for my blog.
>
> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:
>
> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs
> partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a
> LOT of options.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *James Rankin 
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + 
>
>
> *To: *NT Issues 
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in
> IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on
> AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)
>
> ** **
>
>
>

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[James Rankin]

There's me screwed then, I am a complete prick :-)

Actually I find it a bit harder the other way, I have to try very hard not
to be "one of the boys" and make remarks to the people I am working
alongside that might make me seem unprofessional. It's a little hard coming
from a support background where there was the tendency just to slag off
every other IT discipline and maintain that most software is sh*te.

Still, that's good advice, maybe I can convince one of these customers to
get me on-site for a couple of days and then work on the rest of it in my
spare time. If I can make their end-user desktops look and work great,
they'll probably be happy :-)

On 7 February 2012 20:38, Webster  wrote:

>   I have a list of people that regularly call/email about work.  My
> philosophy is "First confirmed, first served".  Anytime I get a contract, I
> update my schedule and e-mail my list of contacts.   The customer I am
> working for in Idaho next week has waited 6 week s for me.  I have no idea
> why?  Surely they could have found someone more readily available.  But
> they said they wanted me (they found me via Google search for Citrix
> blogs).  It is possible to do multiple projects at the same time.  I tell
> people I am booked during the day and I can work on their stuff at night
> and or the weekend.  That is usually acceptable for them if they need your
> skills.
>
>  I might add, that having a good personality and not being a prick helps
> in this business.  If people don't like you, they will not be back and they
> will not let you use them as a referral.
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:18:25 +
>
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to
> get the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten
> days' work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer
> for a month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have
> found to balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to
> fit them in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid
> stage rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose
> if I quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than
> purely x days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin  wrote:
>
>>  I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting
>> for about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full
>> time work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working
>> full time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many
>> other responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread
>> has given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals
>> I turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks!**
>> **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>  *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you
>> believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the
>> damn door when opportunity knocks.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>>
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
>>
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>>  *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  ** **
>>
>> Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by
>> biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade”
>> months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with
>> %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped.
>> If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago…
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
>>
>&g

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

I have a list of people that regularly call/email about work.  My philosophy is 
"First confirmed, first served".  Anytime I get a contract, I update my 
schedule and e-mail my list of contacts.   The customer I am working for in 
Idaho next week has waited 6 week s for me.  I have no idea why?  Surely they 
could have found someone more readily available.  But they said they wanted me 
(they found me via Google search for Citrix blogs).  It is possible to do 
multiple projects at the same time.  I tell people I am booked during the day 
and I can work on their stuff at night and or the weekend.  That is usually 
acceptable for them if they need your skills.

I might add, that having a good personality and not being a prick helps in this 
business.  If people don't like you, they will not be back and they will not 
let you use them as a referral.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 20:18:25 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the 
most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for 
a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work 
at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out 
overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? 
Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting 
agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around 
a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe 
shoehorn conflicting jobs in.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin 
mailto:ntsysad...@rccs.org>> wrote:
I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 
15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for 
one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my 
“big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities 
there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good 
ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the 
years while working for that big client. Thanks!

From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com<mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago…

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now.:)

Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 8-10 
times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsys

Re: OT - ugh!

[Don Kuhlman]

Yes - thanks to you for sharing guys!  It's very encouraging to read your 
success stories and the way you got there.

Much appreciated!

Don K




 From: James Rankin 
To: NT System Admin Issues  
Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 2:18 PM
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 

Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get the 
most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days' work for 
a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a month's work 
at a different client. Is there any way people have found to balance out 
overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them in consecutively? 
Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage rather than getting 
agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I quoted them based around 
a project delivery timescale rather than purely x days at x rate, I could maybe 
shoehorn conflicting jobs in.

Cheers,



JR


On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin  wrote:

I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for about 
15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for 
one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full time for my 
“big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities 
there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good 
ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the 
years while working for that big client. Thanks!
> 
>From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM
>
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh! 
> 
>I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you believe, 
>the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
>when opportunity knocks.
> 
>Regards,
> 
>Michael B. Smith
>Consultant and Exchange MVP
>http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
>From:David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
>
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh! 
> 
>Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
>one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade” months. It 
>would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
>I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
>it would have been a no-brainer long ago…
> 
>Dave
> 
> 
>From:Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com] 
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
>
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh! 
> 
>I want it now. J
> 
>Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
>major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.
> 
>Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
>office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
>that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan to travel 
>8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.
> 
>Regards,
> 
>Michael B. Smith
>Consultant and Exchange MVP
>http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> 
>From:Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
>
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> 
>I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
>1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
>little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
>all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
>referral fee or commission! 
> 
> 
>Carl Webster
>Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>http://www.carlwebster.com/
> 
>From: David Lum 
>Reply-To: NT Issues 
>Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
>To: NT Issues 
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> 
>That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – 
>feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often 
>their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
>cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 
>swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
>than patching.
> 
>From:Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
>
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: Re: OT - ugh! 
> 
>I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
>why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
> 
>Now that my fellow CTPs know I 

Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

While I don't do full out articles and haven't blogged myself in a while,
the main reason I do post stuff on mine, is really, so I can find it later.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 11:52 AM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  I get that a lot. J
>
> ** **
>
> And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I
> wrote an article, the easiest way to find it – search on my blog. 
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
> kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
> everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
> correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
> keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
> contacts, which is cool.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster  wrote:
>
> Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>
> ** **
>
> Keep it up.
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *James Rankin 
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
>
> *Date: *Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>
>
> *To: *NT Issues 
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
> to be enjoying it! Good call.
>
> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the
> title for my blog.
>
> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:
>
> PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs
> partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a
> LOT of options.
>
> ** **
>
> Thanks
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *James Rankin 
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 + 
>
>
> *To: *NT Issues 
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in
> IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on
> AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)
>
> ** **
>
> ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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>
>
>
> --
> "On two occasions...I have been asked, 'Pray, Mr Babbage, if you put into
> the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able
> rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
> a question."
>
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>
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> mindless cretin; either way, you should immediately kill yourself and
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> pretty dull legal query and frankly one I'm not going to dwell on. But
> should you have nothing better to do, please 

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Muchos gracias. I wondered where I had picked a couple of extra followers
up from :-)

On 7 February 2012 20:12, Webster  wrote:

>   It is cool when the product vendor finds your blog.  It was very
> surreal when I got the first e-mail from Citrix Education and the Citrix
> Exam team saying they were reading my stuff and sending links to my
> articles internal at Citrix!  Then when I found out the CTP handlers at
> Citrix were watching me on EE and my blog, I just about freaked out.
>
>  I have mentioned your blog on Twitter, LinkedIn and Facebook.  Maybe
> that will add 1 or 2 more readers for you.
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:31:49 +
>
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
> kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
> everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
> correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
> keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
> contacts, which is cool.
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster  wrote:
>
>>   Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>>
>>  Keep it up.
>>
>>
>>Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>   From: James Rankin 
>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>>  Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>>
>> To: NT Issues 
>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>  Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
>> to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for
>> the title for my blog.
>>
>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:
>>
>>>   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
>>> with a LOT of options.
>>>
>>>  Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>Carl Webster
>>>
>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>>
>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>>
>>>   From: James Rankin 
>>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>>>
>>> To: NT Issues 
>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>>
>>>   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
>>> anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
>>> concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
>>> moment, IMO)
>>>
>>>   ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~
> ~ <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
>
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rightly to apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such
a question."

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However, if the contents of this email make no sense whatsoever then you
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destroy your computer (not necessarily in that order). Once you have taken
this action, please contact us.. no, sorry, you can't use your computer,
because you just destroyed it, and possibly also committed suicide
afterwards, but I am starting to digress.. *

* The originator of this email is not liable for the transmission of the
information contained in this communication. Or are they? Either way it's a
pre

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Been a big help to me too. I am just trying now how to work out how to get
the most work from two clients. I have an offer in the post for ten days'
work for a fairly high-profile client but also an overlapping offer for a
month's work at a different client. Is there any way people have found to
balance out overlapping projects, or is it just a case of try to fit them
in consecutively? Or do I really need to get involved at the bid stage
rather than getting agencies coming to me with the offers? I suppose if I
quoted them based around a project delivery timescale rather than purely x
days at x rate, I could maybe shoehorn conflicting jobs in.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 20:08, ntsysadmin  wrote:

>  I have to thank you guys for this thread. I’ve been doing consulting for
> about 15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time
> work for one business in particular. I’ve recently stopped working full
> time for my “big” client (skills were stagnating because of too many other
> responsibilities there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has
> given me some good ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I
> turned down over the years while working for that big client. Thanks!
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!
>
>  ** **
>
> I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I’ll write it anyway: if you
> believe, the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the
> damn door when opportunity knocks.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org ]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!
>
>  ** **
>
> Yeah I already figured I’d need 4 more clients of the same size as by
> biggest one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during “non-server upgrade”
> months. It would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with
> %dayjob%, and I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped.
> If I was single it would have been a no-brainer long ago…
>
> ** **
>
> Dave
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!
>
>  ** **
>
> I want it now. J
>
> ** **
>
> Three clients isn’t enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor
> (where major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from
> me) clients.
>
> ** **
>
> Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from
> my office at home (I’ve got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with
> video chat that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So… I plan
> to travel 8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the
> road.
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  ** **
>
> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going
> to want a referral fee or commission! 
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *David Lum 
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> *To: *NT Issues 
> *Subject: *RE: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
> feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
> often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
> 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
> with nothing other than patching.
>
>  
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>
> 

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

It is cool when the product vendor finds your blog.  It was very surreal when I 
got the first e-mail from Citrix Education and the Citrix Exam team saying they 
were reading my stuff and sending links to my articles internal at Citrix!  
Then when I found out the CTP handlers at Citrix were watching me on EE and my 
blog, I just about freaked out.

I have mentioned your blog on Twitter, LinkedIn and Facebook.  Maybe that will 
add 1 or 2 more readers for you.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 19:31:49 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of 
handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. 
I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the 
product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears 
that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

Keep it up.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +

To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be 
enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the 
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at 
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)


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RE: OT - ugh!

[ntsysadmin]

I have to thank you guys for this thread. I've been doing consulting for about 
15 years, for some small businesses and a couple years of full time work for 
one business in particular. I've recently stopped working full time for my 
"big" client (skills were stagnating because of too many other responsibilities 
there) and decided to grow my business. This thread has given me some good 
ideas. I wish I could get back all of the referrals I turned down over the 
years while working for that big client. Thanks!

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I'll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during "non-server upgrade" months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +0000
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the 

RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I get that a lot. :)

And I also use my blog as an immense resource for myself. If I know I wrote an 
article, the easiest way to find it - search on my blog.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: James Rankin [mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, February 07, 2012 2:32 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually kind of 
handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them everywhere with me. 
I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me correcting me on some of the 
product features (they must be watching for keywords in Google), so it appears 
that I am already making some more contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR
On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

Keep it up.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +

To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be 
enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the 
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at 
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR
On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +0000

To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)


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Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

I'm just converting all the documents I wrote into posts. It's actually
kind of handy to have them all stored online rather than drag them
everywhere with me. I've already had a guy from AppSense on to me
correcting me on some of the product features (they must be watching for
keywords in Google), so it appears that I am already making some more
contacts, which is cool.

Cheers,



JR

On 7 February 2012 19:25, Webster  wrote:

>   Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!
>
>  Keep it up.
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
>
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
> to be enjoying it! Good call.
>
> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the
> title for my blog.
>
> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:
>
>>   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
>> with a LOT of options.
>>
>>  Thanks
>>
>>
>>Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>   From: James Rankin 
>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>>
>> To: NT Issues 
>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
>> anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
>> concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
>> moment, IMO)
>>
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Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

I did give some thought to that, it's on my to-do list right next to "build
a decent lab" and "try to stop eating as much rich food"

On 7 February 2012 19:17, Steven Peck  wrote:

> I will suggest you invest in your own domain name.  (You can still use
> blogspot).  It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and
> later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose
> the existing work or your 'identity branding'.
>
>
> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin wrote:
>
>> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
>> to be enjoying it! Good call.
>>
>> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for
>> the title for my blog.
>>
>> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
>> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> JR
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:
>>
>>>   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
>>> with a LOT of options.
>>>
>>>  Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>Carl Webster
>>>
>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>>
>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>>
>>>   From: James Rankin 
>>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>>>
>>> To: NT Issues 
>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>>
>>>   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
>>> anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
>>> concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
>>> moment, IMO)
>>> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
>>> --
>>> *From: *Webster 
>>> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
>>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>>
>>>   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed
>>> and prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people
>>> started reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the
>>> Citrix space.  Once I got a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got
>>> the CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people.
>>>
>>>  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much
>>> Citrix work can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the
>>> world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
>>> Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.
>>>
>>>  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have
>>> anything to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what
>>> opens up for you.
>>>
>>>  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you
>>> to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.
>>>  Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.
>>>
>>>  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you
>>> see the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network
>>> Admin, Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).
>>>
>>>  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work
>>> offers every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes
>>> my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.
>>>
>>>  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I
>>> thought MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr
>>> plus expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As
>>> busy as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :)
>>>
>>>  Thanks
>>>
>>>
>>>Carl Webster
>>>
>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>>
>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>>
>>>   From: Don Kuhlman 
>>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
>>>
>>> To: NT Issues 
>>> Subject: 

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Someone is having just WAY too much fun in their new blog!

Keep it up.



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 12:39:29 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to be 
enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the 
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at 
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +

To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Steven Peck]

I will suggest you invest in your own domain name.  (You can still use
blogspot).  It's pretty cheap, it also makes things more portable and
later, you can use it for your email should you go independant and not lose
the existing work or your 'identity branding'.

On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 4:39 AM, James Rankin  wrote:

> Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem
> to be enjoying it! Good call.
>
> Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the
> title for my blog.
>
> Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
> http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
>
> JR
>
> On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:
>
>>   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow
>> CTPs partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software
>> with a LOT of options.
>>
>>  Thanks
>>
>>
>>Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>   From: James Rankin 
>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>>
>> To: NT Issues 
>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to
>> anything in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog
>> concentrating on AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the
>> moment, IMO)
>> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
>> --
>> *From: *Webster 
>> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
>> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
>> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues" <
>> ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>
>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and
>> prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started
>> reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the Citrix
>> space.  Once I got a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the
>> CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people.
>>
>>  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much
>> Citrix work can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the
>> world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
>> Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.
>>
>>  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything
>> to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for
>> you.
>>
>>  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you
>> to do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.
>>  Only those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.
>>
>>  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see
>> the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin,
>> Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).
>>
>>  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work
>> offers every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes
>> my way or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.
>>
>>  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought
>> MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus
>> expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy
>> as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :)
>>
>>  Thanks
>>
>>
>>Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>   From: Don Kuhlman 
>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
>>
>> To: NT Issues 
>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>   This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on,
>> do any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own
>> thing going?
>> For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
>> contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?
>>
>>  Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get
>> going.  I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on
>> clients for ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth,
>&g

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

Well, I decided to start blogging up a bit of AppSense stuff, and I seem to
be enjoying it! Good call.

Mr Webster, I offer no apologies for stealing your "bigot" moniker for the
title for my blog.

Anyone else who may use this software can read my ramblings at
http://appsensebigot.blogspot.com

Cheers,




JR

On 6 February 2012 20:49, Webster  wrote:

>   PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs
> partner status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a
> LOT of options.
>
>  Thanks
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
>
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>   I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything
> in IT which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on
> AppSense (which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)
> Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird
> --
> *From: *Webster 
> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +0000
> *To: *NT System Admin Issues
> *ReplyTo: *"NT System Admin Issues"  >
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
>   I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and
> prodded me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started
> reading.  Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the Citrix
> space.  Once I got a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the
> CTP, I was instantly in a really nice network of extremely smart people.
>
>  I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much
> Citrix work can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the
> world would hire me! to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site,
> Experts Exchange, fellow CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.
>
>  Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything
> to share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for
> you.
>
>  If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to
> do), be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only
> those who stick their neck out and share, get recognized.
>
>  I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see
> the word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin,
> Network Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).
>
>  I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers
> every week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way
> or all the AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.
>
>  I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought
> MBS was nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus
> expenses and have had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy
> as I am, maybe I need to up my rates again! :)
>
>  Thanks
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: Don Kuhlman 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>   This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on,
> do any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own
> thing going?
> For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
> contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?
>
>  Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.
> I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for
> ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did
> you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning?
>
>  Don K
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

-- Exchange & AD
-- Citrix
-- Security
-- Virtualization
-- Database (mostly Oracle, but I'm seeing more and more SQL these days)

Not trying to say that these are the only areas of massive opportunity, but
these are the top infrastructure areas I see out there today.

And yes, all situations require some compromise or concession, but they
remain viable options for many skilled IT professionals, and my sense is
that the numbers going in this direction will grow.

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 11:41 PM, Sean Martin  wrote:

> Virtualization (of any flavor) and storage are two other areas where
> expert skills are highly sought after.
>
> - Sean
>
> On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:
>
> > Didn't mean to imply that you're entirely unique between the two of
> > you, just that you occupy a niche - it's probably a fairly large
> > niche, I would guess.
> >
> > Probably that niche is going to grow, too, but it won't consist of
> > folks who don't have some specialised skills, or whose skills are too
> > specialised.
> >
> > Kurt
> >
> > On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:33, Michael B. Smith 
> wrote:
> >> I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >> Michael B. Smith
> >> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> >> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
> >>
> >>
> >> -Original Message-
> >> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> >> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
> >> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >>
> >> You can look at it in one of two ways:
> >>
> >> Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
> >>
> >> The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
> >> daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
> >> applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
> >> specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
> >> on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
> >> the world.
> >>
> >> The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
> >> foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
> >>
> >> The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
> >>
> >> And being willing to travel...
> >>
> >> Kurt
> >>
> >> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
> >>> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
> own
> >>> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as
> there is
> >>> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
> >>> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is
> going to
> >>> want a referral fee or commission!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Carl Webster
> >>>
> >>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> >>>
> >>> http://www.CarlWebster.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: David Lum 
> >>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> >>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +0000
> >>> To: NT Issues 
> >>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> >>>
> >>> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own
> biz –
> >>> feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at
> how
> >>> often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
> >>> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an
> SBS 2003
> >>> – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
> with
> >>> nothing other than patching.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> >>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
> >>> To: NT System Admin Issues
> >>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.
>  Don't
> >>> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing
> a lot
> >>> of AD 

Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Gotta help my brethren out...  :)

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 6:47 PM, Webster  wrote:

>   Hey now, mind your own business there!
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: Andrew Baker 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:17:21 -0500
>
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  *>>If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or
> commission! *
>
>  Not a bad idea. :)
>
> **
>
> *ASB*  *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker*  *Harnessing the Advantages of
> Technology for the SMB market…
>
> *
>
>
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Webster  wrote:
>
>>   I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
>> own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
>> is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
>> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going
>> to want a referral fee or commission!
>>
>>
>>Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>>   From: David Lum 
>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
>> To: NT Issues 
>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>>   That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own
>> biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at
>> how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
>> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
>> 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
>> with nothing other than patching.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>>
>> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
>> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
>> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
>> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL***
>> *
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
>> lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
>> AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
>> longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't
>> have the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
>> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
>> September yet! :)
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> *From: *James Rankin 
>> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
>> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
>> *To: *NT Issues 
>> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
>> years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
>> the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
>>
>> It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
>> work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
>> contributed to convincing me to do the same.
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> 
>>
>> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
>> I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>>
>> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
>> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>
>>
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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

Outsourcing != Consulting, though. I equate outsourcing to ops. I don't go 
anywhere near that end of things as a consultant. I can't speak for others in 
this thread, though.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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From: Jeff Steward [mailto:jstew...@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 7:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I've spent the last year working for an ERP consulting company and I've been in 
a lot of small businesses that have outsourced IT support.  I have yet to meet 
a client who was happy with their outsourced provider.  The message here is 
that there is plenty of room for qualified consultants to get work.  My larger 
clients tend to be overworked, understaffed and that is where the specialists 
come in -- at big bucks :)  It isn't so much that they don't have the skills to 
do the job, it is that they don't have the time to ramp up, or they know a 
consultant will get it done quicker - since we specialize and do this 'stuff' 
all the time.

And for the record, although nothing has ever come to fruition, I have 
mentioned some of you guys to clients, so your community service here is 
working :)

-Jeff Steward
On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com<mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
> want a referral fee or commission!
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
> From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> To: NT Issues 
> mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz -
> feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how
> often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
> - SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
> nothing other than patching.
>
>
>
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com<mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>
>
> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
>
>
>
> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
> of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
> infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
> do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
> the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
> September yet! :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
>
> From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +

RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

Michael is a good example of folks that are successful without traveling a ton. 
I know a few others, but, at least for me, part of the job is getting on the 
plane all the time. I generally do every other week with some fill-ins and some 
months with limited travel. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 6:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing daily 
grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations, applying 
antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so specialised that 
your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company on its staff doing 
something that only applies to 3 other companies in the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT foodchain 
- and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my 
> own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as 
> there is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  
> Yes, I am complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, 
> MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission!
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
> From: David Lum 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own 
> biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always 
> amazed at how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even 
> have different fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I 
> am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these 
> clients I can go months with nothing other than patching.
>
>
>
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>
>
> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  
> Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go 
> solo! LOL
>
>
>
> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing 
> a lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 
> 2008 R2 AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% 
> Citrix.  I no longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't 
> have the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July 
> and already starting to worry because no one is calling about August 
> or September yet! :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
>
> From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>
>
> I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six 
> years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself 
> counting the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
>
> It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he 
> could work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that 
> possibly contributed to convincing me to do the same.
>
> On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>
> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of 
> what I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much 
> earlier.
>
> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska 
> this
> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

I got on 90 planes last year and flew ~120K miles, almost all domestically. 
Some years I'm in and out of Asia and Europe every month or two.

I haven't ventured to do support though and don't really have any desire to 
thus far - just project work and advisory stuff.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

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From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 4:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Sean Martin]

Virtualization (of any flavor) and storage are two other areas where expert 
skills are highly sought after.

- Sean

On Feb 6, 2012, at 7:21 PM, Kurt Buff  wrote:

> Didn't mean to imply that you're entirely unique between the two of
> you, just that you occupy a niche - it's probably a fairly large
> niche, I would guess.
> 
> Probably that niche is going to grow, too, but it won't consist of
> folks who don't have some specialised skills, or whose skills are too
> specialised.
> 
> Kurt
> 
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:33, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>> I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Michael B. Smith
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>> 
>> You can look at it in one of two ways:
>> 
>> Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
>> 
>> The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
>> daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
>> applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
>> specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
>> on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
>> the world.
>> 
>> The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
>> foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
>> 
>> The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
>> 
>> And being willing to travel...
>> 
>> Kurt
>> 
>> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
>>> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
>>> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
>>> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
>>> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
>>> want a referral fee or commission!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carl Webster
>>> 
>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>> 
>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: David Lum 
>>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
>>> To: NT Issues 
>>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>> 
>>> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
>>> feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
>>> often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
>>> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
>>> – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
>>> nothing other than patching.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
>>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
>>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
>>> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
>>> of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
>>> infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
>>> do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
>>> the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
>>> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
>>> September yet! :)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Carl Webster
>>> 
>>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>> 
>>> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> From: James Rankin 
>>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
>>> To: NT Issues 
>>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six yea

Re: OT - ugh!

[Kurt Buff]

Didn't mean to imply that you're entirely unique between the two of
you, just that you occupy a niche - it's probably a fairly large
niche, I would guess.

Probably that niche is going to grow, too, but it won't consist of
folks who don't have some specialised skills, or whose skills are too
specialised.

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 17:33, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
> I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
> You can look at it in one of two ways:
>
> Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
>
> The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
> daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
> applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
> specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
> on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
> the world.
>
> The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
> foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
>
> The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
>
> And being willing to travel...
>
> Kurt
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
>> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
>> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
>> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
>> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
>> want a referral fee or commission!
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>>
>>
>> From: David Lum 
>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
>> To: NT Issues 
>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
>> feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
>> often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
>> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
>> – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
>> nothing other than patching.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>
>>
>> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
>> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
>>
>>
>>
>> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
>> of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
>> infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
>> do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>>
>>
>>
>> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
>> the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
>> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
>> September yet! :)
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>>
>>
>>
>> From: James Rankin 
>> Reply-To: NT Issues 
>> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
>> To: NT Issues 
>> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>>
>>
>>
>> I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
>> before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
>> amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
>>
>> It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
>> work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
>> contributed to convincing me to do the same.
>>
>> On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>>
>> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I
>> already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>>
>> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alas

RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Whoa...déjà vu...

From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I'll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during "non-server upgrade" months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even l

RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I hate to sound corny or mystical, but I'll write it anyway: if you believe, 
the Universe will provide. You just have to be willing to open the damn door 
when opportunity knocks.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:45 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during "non-server upgrade" months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith 
[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]<mailto:[mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN&

RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Yeah I already figured I'd need 4 more clients of the same size as by biggest 
one. My biggest client is 3-10 hrs/week during "non-server upgrade" months. It 
would take 4 more clients of that size for me to break even with %dayjob%, and 
I would need at least three of them lined up before I jumped. If I was single 
it would have been a no-brainer long ago...

Dave


From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 3:04 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

In 1994 I installed Pegasus Mail (Mercury) on a Netware server. It didn't scale 
to the requirements of the telecommunications company at which I was working. 
So... In 1995 I migrated to Exchange.

Exchange 5.0 had very poor standards compliance. I started complaining and 
haven't stopped complaining to the Exchange team since. :-) In order to give my 
complaints substance, I had to learn everything about how the product worked 
and what the RFCs said. Then I started answering questions on BIX, CompuServe, 
and Usenet - and then here, starting around 1998/1999. I did my first hosted 
Exchange deployment in 1999 (for a dot-com company long since defunct). I took 
a couple of years off in the very early 2000's to build a new business, but 
then came back and started blogging and answering questions and building ASPs 
and doing hosted Exchange, hosted IIS, and hosted Windows Server.

Before the release of Exchange 2003, it was obvious that Exchange could be a 
HUGE drain on AD. So I got up to a very advanced level on AD (although I had 
more than a passing familiarity with it before then, since AD was based on the 
Exchange LDAP engine).

No installation of Exchange stands alone - so you have to know how to measure 
performance and deploy servers quickly and take service tickets. That leads to 
Operations Manager and Configuration Manager and Service Manager.

Of course, doing all that stuff manually is error prone so you have to automate 
it - first via VBScript and now with PowerShell.

And thus: those define my primary skill sets. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:55 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

In 2007 I was doing so much AD and Exchange work, I seriously considered
dropping Citrix from my skill set.  I probably did 50% AD, 49% Exchange
and 1% Citrix.  Now it is 50% AD and 50% Citrix and my last production
Exchange project was June 2008.  My Exchange skills are so rusty, I am
embarrassed that from 2004 to 2007 I did around 90 Exchange migrations and
installs (which is where MBS and I formed our friendship) and now I do no
Exchange.  In 2007 and 2008 I did a few small Citrix projects (very small,
like 1 server each).  In July 2008, I asked to be taken off the road after
traveling 27 days a month for 18 months.  I literally did nothing from
July until late October.  That is when I started listening to MBS about
writing.  I had 3 skills: AD, Exchange and Citrix.  I found there was a
LOT of blogs and other sites dealing with both AD and Exchange and nothing
for learning Citrix.  So I decided to start writing about Citrix stuff.  I
got an Experts Exchange and started answering questions.  Most of the
questions, I couldn't answer right off hand so I had to lab the answers
and then started writing articles on my learning experiences.

That is why all my articles are "Learning the Basics of ..." or "How Do I
Do ..." type articles.  I actually did not know how to do a lot of the
Citrix stuff I was writing about so I had to read, read, read, study, lab,
lab, lab and hooked up with some Citrix employees who could answer some of
my questions.  Believe it or not, but I had never customized Web
Interface, never used CSG, never installed multiple servers, never used a
SQL data store, never never never etc etc etc.

Now I travel the country working on some of the largest Citrix installs
for some of the largest enterprises in the world.

Read, study, lab: rinse, lather, repeat

You can do the same.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/6/12 4:19 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:

>You can look at it in one of two ways:
>
>Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
>
>The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
>daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
>applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
>specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
>on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
>the world.
>
>The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
>foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
>
>The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
>
>And being willing to travel...
>
>Kurt
>
>On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
>> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
>>own
>> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
>>is
>> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
>> complaining all the way to the bank.

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

In 2007 I was doing so much AD and Exchange work, I seriously considered
dropping Citrix from my skill set.  I probably did 50% AD, 49% Exchange
and 1% Citrix.  Now it is 50% AD and 50% Citrix and my last production
Exchange project was June 2008.  My Exchange skills are so rusty, I am
embarrassed that from 2004 to 2007 I did around 90 Exchange migrations and
installs (which is where MBS and I formed our friendship) and now I do no
Exchange.  In 2007 and 2008 I did a few small Citrix projects (very small,
like 1 server each).  In July 2008, I asked to be taken off the road after
traveling 27 days a month for 18 months.  I literally did nothing from
July until late October.  That is when I started listening to MBS about
writing.  I had 3 skills: AD, Exchange and Citrix.  I found there was a
LOT of blogs and other sites dealing with both AD and Exchange and nothing
for learning Citrix.  So I decided to start writing about Citrix stuff.  I
got an Experts Exchange and started answering questions.  Most of the
questions, I couldn't answer right off hand so I had to lab the answers
and then started writing articles on my learning experiences.

That is why all my articles are "Learning the Basics of ..." or "How Do I
Do ..." type articles.  I actually did not know how to do a lot of the
Citrix stuff I was writing about so I had to read, read, read, study, lab,
lab, lab and hooked up with some Citrix employees who could answer some of
my questions.  Believe it or not, but I had never customized Web
Interface, never used CSG, never installed multiple servers, never used a
SQL data store, never never never etc etc etc.

Now I travel the country working on some of the largest Citrix installs
for some of the largest enterprises in the world.

Read, study, lab: rinse, lather, repeat

You can do the same.


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com 






On 2/6/12 4:19 PM, "Kurt Buff"  wrote:

>You can look at it in one of two ways:
>
>Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
>
>The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
>daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
>applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
>specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
>on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
>the world.
>
>The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
>foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
>
>The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
>
>And being willing to travel...
>
>Kurt
>
>On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
>> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
>>own
>> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
>>is
>> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
>> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is
>>going to
>> want a referral fee or commission!
>>
>>
>> Carl Webster
>>
>> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>>
>> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>>



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Jeff Steward]

I've spent the last year working for an ERP consulting company and I've
been in a lot of small businesses that have outsourced IT support.  I have
yet to meet a client who was happy with their outsourced provider.  The
message here is that there is plenty of room for qualified consultants to
get work.  My larger clients tend to be overworked, understaffed and that
is where the specialists come in -- at big bucks :)  It isn't so much that
they don't have the skills to do the job, it is that they don't have the
time to ramp up, or they know a consultant will get it done quicker - since
we specialize and do this 'stuff' all the time.

And for the record, although nothing has ever come to fruition, I have
mentioned some of you guys to clients, so your community service here is
working :)

-Jeff Steward

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 8:33 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

> I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
> You can look at it in one of two ways:
>
> Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.
>
> The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
> daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
> applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
> specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
> on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
> the world.
>
> The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
> foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.
>
> The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.
>
> And being willing to travel...
>
> Kurt
>
> On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
> > I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
> > Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
> is
> > very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
> > complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is
> going to
> > want a referral fee or commission!
> >
> >
> > Carl Webster
> >
> > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> >
> > http://www.CarlWebster.com
> >
> >
> > From: David Lum 
> > Reply-To: NT Issues 
> > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> > To: NT Issues 
> > Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> >
> > That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz
> –
> > feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
> > often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
> > fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
> 2003
> > – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
> with
> > nothing other than patching.
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> > Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >
> >
> >
> > I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
> > know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
> >
> >
> >
> > Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
> lot
> > of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
> > infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
> longer
> > do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
> >
> >
> >
> > I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't
> have
> > the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
> > already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
> > September yet! :)
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Carl Webster
> >
> > Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> >
> > http://www.CarlWebster.com
> >
> >
> >
> > From: James Rankin 
> > Reply-To: NT Issues 
> > Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
> > To: NT Issues 
> > Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >
> >
> >
> > I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
> years
> > before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
&g

RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I know many other independents no different than Webster and I.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Kurt Buff [mailto:kurt.b...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:20 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
> want a referral fee or commission!
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
> From: David Lum 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
> feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
> often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
> – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
> nothing other than patching.
>
>
>
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>
>
> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
>
>
>
> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
> of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
> infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
> do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
> the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
> September yet! :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
>
> From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>
>
> I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
> before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
> amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
>
> It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
> work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
> contributed to convincing me to do the same.
>
> On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>
> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I
> already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>
> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Kurt Buff]

You can look at it in one of two ways:

Either you and MBS got very lucky, or you got very smart.

The niches you've chosen are specialised enough that you aren't doing
daily grunt work (punching down patchpanels, patching workstations,
applying antivirus, replacing burnt-out video cards, etc.), but not so
specialised that your only place to land is in a Fortune 100 company
on its staff doing something that only applies to 3 other companies in
the world.

The lesson is to place yourself at some sort of sweet spot on the IT
foodchain - and then exploit the hell out of it.

The difficulty always lies in finding that sweet spot.

And being willing to travel...

Kurt

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 14:49, Webster  wrote:
> I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own
> Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is
> very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to
> want a referral fee or commission!
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
> From: David Lum 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz –
> feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how
> often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003
> – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with
> nothing other than patching.
>
>
>
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>
>
> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
>
>
>
> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot
> of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD
> infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer
> do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>
>
>
> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
> the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
> September yet! :)
>
>
>
>
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
>
>
> From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>
>
> I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years
> before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the
> amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
>
> It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
> work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
> contributed to convincing me to do the same.
>
> On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>
> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I
> already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>
> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Hey now, mind your own business there!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: Andrew Baker mailto:asbz...@gmail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 18:17:21 -0500
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

>>If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or commission!

Not a bad idea. :)


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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Webster 
mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>> wrote:
I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com



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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

*>> If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a referral fee or
commission! *

Not a bad idea. :)

* *

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Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:49 PM, Webster  wrote:

>   I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my
> own Feb 1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there
> is very little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am
> complaining all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going
> to want a referral fee or commission!
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: David Lum 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
> To: NT Issues 
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
>That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own
> biz – feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at
> how often their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different
> fiscal year cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS
> 2003 – SBS2011 swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months
> with nothing other than patching.
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com ]
>
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't
> know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL
>
> ** **
>
> Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
> lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
> AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
> longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>
> ** **
>
> I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have
> the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
> September yet! :)
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional****
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
> ** **
>
> *From: *James Rankin 
> *Reply-To: *NT Issues 
> *Date: *Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
> *To: *NT Issues 
> *Subject: *Re: OT - ugh!
>
> ** **
>
> I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
> years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
> the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
>
> It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
> work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
> contributed to convincing me to do the same.
>
> On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:*
> ***
>
> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
> I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>
> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>
>

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

D*&^ Web, it's been a year?

My how time flies

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster 
[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]<mailto:[mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]>
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +0000
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Well stated, Michael.  :)

I have to say the same thing about advertising, btw...


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On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 2:33 PM, Michael B. Smith wrote:

>  It’s all about word of mouth for me. This venue (the Sunbelt mailing
> lists) and another forum where I’m active kept me busy in the beginning,
> and then I started writing articles and business exploded.
>
> ** **
>
> I actually did advertise the first month or two, locally; and sent a few
> emails to companies that had asked about my services in the past. In my
> case, as far as I could see, advertising had a zero percent success rate
> (and therefore a zero percent ROI). Sending those emails was good about 25%
> of the time (which, overall, is a pretty good success rate).
>
> ** **
>
> I’ve also made quite a few contacts via LinkedIn and my blog.
>
> ** **
>
> I’m very much a “soft peddle” person when it comes to marketing. I’m not
> cheap, and I know that, and I’ve lost several bids over the years because
> of that. But more than once folks have come back after the first consultant
> screwed it up and I got to go fix it. Those tend to be VERY loyal
> customers. ;-)
>
> ** **
>
> I lost money the first two months, broke even the third, and have been in
> positive territory ever since. I wouldn’t have lost money those first two
> months if I hadn’t spent the money on advertising. :-P
>
> ** **
>
> Regards,
>
> ** **
>
> Michael B. Smith
>
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Monday, February 06, 2012 2:01 PM
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues
> *Subject:* Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  ** **
>
> This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do
> any of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own
> thing going?
>
> For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website,
> contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?
>
> ** **
>
> Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.
> I'm thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for
> ongoing support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did
> you keep an income stream coming in at the beginning?****
>
> ** **
>
> Don K
>
> ** **
>--
>
> *From:* Michael B. Smith 
>
> *To:* NT System Admin Issues 
> *Sent:* Monday, February 6, 2012 9:47 AM
> *Subject:* RE: OT - ugh!
> 
>
>
> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
> I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>
> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some
> "non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was
> the fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks
> involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
> need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love,
> it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about
> what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less
> passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways
> to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking
> out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows
> administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far
> higher.
>
> "Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
> Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
> 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a
> billionaire, right? Wrong.
>
> Further study reveals that Gate

RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I want it now. :)

Three clients isn't enough. I have 5 HUGE clients and close to 80 minor (where 
major/minor is defined in terms of how much support they want from me) clients.

Webster is a lot more willing to travel than I am. I prefer to work from my 
office at home (I've got a 13-y/o son that lives with me), and with video chat 
that works for most clients. Not all of them, though. So... I plan to travel 
8-10 times a year; while Webster spends most of his time on the road.

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 5:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +0000
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Simply awesome.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:49 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

I can only speak for me, and it has been feast since I went out on my own Feb 
1st last year.  So far this year, the feast is even better as there is very 
little agency work so I get 100% of the billables. :)  Yes, I am complaining 
all the way to the bank.  If it gets any better, MBS is going to want a 
referral fee or commission!



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: David Lum mailto:david@nwea.org>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 22:31:45 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That’s part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz – 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I’m always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 – SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

That's part of my fear of dropping %dayjob% and going 100% on my own biz - 
feast or famine! With just three clients I have I'm always amazed at how often 
their feast/famine cycles coincide, and they even have different fiscal year 
cycles. I mean, in the span of two months I am doing an SBS 2003 - SBS2011 
swing for two of them. One of these clients I can go months with nothing other 
than patching.

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 9:31 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.
On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com<mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
"non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david....@nwea.org>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And anot

Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

Agreed, it has a lot of power. I have done the ACP and ACS qualifications and 
always try to work with it, so I think I have just found something to occupy 
the spare two days I have coming up :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Webster 
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:49:33 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

PLEASE DO.  I paid my own money to take the course (using a fellow CTPs partner 
status to get it dirt cheap) but that is a set of software with a LOT of 
options.

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 20:16:47 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)
Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

From: Webster mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 +
To: NT System Admin 
Issuesmailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
ReplyTo: "NT System Admin Issues" 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: Don Kuhlman mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Don Kuhlman]

Wow - that's very cool. Carl.  Also very encouraging.  Thanks for sharing!

Don K




 From: Webster 
To: NT System Admin Issues  
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 1:35 PM
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
 

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com
From: Don Kuhlman 
Reply-To: NT Issues 
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues 
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!


This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K

 
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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

Stoppit, you guys are making me dream...

From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 11:36 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: Don Kuhlman mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


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Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

I actually have some natural talent as a writer (as opposed to anything in IT 
which is completely learned). I might start a blog concentrating on AppSense 
(which is woefully under-represented at the moment, IMO)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Webster 
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 19:35:57 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I will have to give MBS 100% credit.  He bugged, pestered, annoyed and prodded 
me until I started writing.  Once I started writing, people started reading.  
Once people started reading, I gained a "name" in the Citrix space.  Once I got 
a "name", I was honored with the CTP.  Once I got the CTP, I was instantly in a 
really nice network of extremely smart people.

I initially balked at the idea of going solo because "just how much Citrix work 
can there possibly be out there"?  And besides, who in the world would hire me! 
to do anything?   All my work comes thru my web site, Experts Exchange, fellow 
CTP, LinkedIn, Dice and word-of-mouth.

Share your knowledge (even if like me you don't think you have anything to 
share) with the community and you may be surprised at what opens up for you.

If you decide to go the writing route (which I strongly encourage you to do), 
be prepared to receive a bunch or criticism for what you share.  Only those who 
stick their neck out and share, get recognized.

I recommend you read the book, The Nomadic Developer.  Wherever you see the 
word developer in the book, insert your title of choice (Network Admin, Network 
Engineer, Network Consultant, Systems Analyst, etc).

I estimate I turn down 3 FTEs a week, and probably that many work offers every 
week.  I can't possibly get to all the Citrix work that comes my way or all the 
AD work the Citrix world is throwing my way.

I know rates depend on the area of the country you are in and I thought MBS was 
nuts when he told me to up my rate, but I charge $150/hr plus expenses and have 
had no one (but contracting agencies) complain.  As busy as I am, maybe I need 
to up my rates again! :)

Thanks



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: Don Kuhlman mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:01:12 -0800
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

It's all about word of mouth for me. This venue (the Sunbelt mailing lists) and 
another forum where I'm active kept me busy in the beginning, and then I 
started writing articles and business exploded.

I actually did advertise the first month or two, locally; and sent a few emails 
to companies that had asked about my services in the past. In my case, as far 
as I could see, advertising had a zero percent success rate (and therefore a 
zero percent ROI). Sending those emails was good about 25% of the time (which, 
overall, is a pretty good success rate).

I've also made quite a few contacts via LinkedIn and my blog.

I'm very much a "soft peddle" person when it comes to marketing. I'm not cheap, 
and I know that, and I've lost several bids over the years because of that. But 
more than once folks have come back after the first consultant screwed it up 
and I got to go fix it. Those tend to be VERY loyal customers. ;-)

I lost money the first two months, broke even the third, and have been in 
positive territory ever since. I wouldn't have lost money those first two 
months if I hadn't spent the money on advertising. :-P

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com

From: Don Kuhlman [mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 2:01 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K


From: Michael B. Smith mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>>
To: NT System Admin Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com<mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
"non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the t

Re: OT - ugh!

[Sean Martin]

I'm in Anchorage. You wanna meet up so you can smack me for that
off-hand remark about XenServer a few months back? :) If it makes you
feel any better, we will be virtualizing our XenApp infrastructure on
XenServer in a data center we're deploying in AZ later this year.

Did you get to enjoy our foot of snow coming down on Friday or did you
fly in over the weekend?

I may have some other questions for you if you don't mind me pinging
you offlist. Mostly around your services potential and how much of a
presence you foresee in Alaska.

- Sean

On 2/6/12, Webster  wrote:
> Hey now, I represent that remark! :)
>
> It is almost 8:30AM here in Anchorage and it is pitch black outside.  But
> at leas it is a nice warm 19 degrees F.  When I went to the store
> yesterday at 3PM, it was 16 degrees and people here were wearing shorts
> and t-shirts!!!  Even the policemen outside were in short-sleeves.
>
> Different world here.
>
> Is anyone on this list in Anchorage?
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/6/12 6:47 AM, "Michael B. Smith"  wrote:
>
>>I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
>>I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much
>>earlier.
>>
>>I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
>>week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>>
>>Regards,
>>
>>Michael B. Smith
>>Consultant and Exchange MVP
>>http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
>>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
>>To: NT System Admin Issues
>>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>>I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
>>some "non-college educated" people were able to start successful
>>businesses was the fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize
>>the risks involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
>>To: NT System Admin Issues
>>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>>No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
>>need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you
>>love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate
>>about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our
>>less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new
>>ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and
>>seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at
>>Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for
>>it is far higher.
>>
>>"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
>>Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
>>1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become
>>a billionaire, right? Wrong.
>>
>>Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
>>programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
>>co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
>>The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
>>for the school's computer club in 1968.
>>
>>A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
>>a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
>>programming.
>>
>>The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
>>Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
>>after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired
>>their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
>>time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."
>>
>>http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/
>>
>>And another recommended read:
>>http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html
>>
>>Dave.
>>
>>
>>-Original Message-
>>From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
>>Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
>>To: NT System Admin Issues
>>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>>Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to wor

Re: OT - ugh!

[Don Kuhlman]

This may be out of scope for the list, but since it's been touched on, do any 
of our successful entrepreneurs  care to share how you got your own thing going?
For example, did you start out by advertising, cold calling, website, 
contacting head hunters for work or (all of the above)?

Just curious of some successful steps that you folks took to get going.  I'm 
thinking that after you got the ball rolling, you signed on clients for ongoing 
support, and then things spread through word of mouth, or how did you keep an 
income stream coming in at the beginning?

Don K




 From: Michael B. Smith 
To: NT System Admin Issues  
Sent: Monday, February 6, 2012 9:47 AM
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
 
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
"non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-----
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed 
our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Re: OT - ugh!

[Erik Goldoff]

I don't know about Anchorage but Sean Martin is somewhere in AK IIRC

On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:26 PM, Webster  wrote:

> Hey now, I represent that remark! :)
>
> It is almost 8:30AM here in Anchorage and it is pitch black outside.  But
> at leas it is a nice warm 19 degrees F.  When I went to the store
> yesterday at 3PM, it was 16 degrees and people here were wearing shorts
> and t-shirts!!!  Even the policemen outside were in short-sleeves.
>
> Different world here.
>
> Is anyone on this list in Anchorage?
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/> <
> http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 2/6/12 6:47 AM, "Michael B. Smith"  wrote:
>
> >I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
> >I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much
> >earlier.
> >
> >I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
> >week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
> >
> >Regards,
> >
> >Michael B. Smith
> >Consultant and Exchange MVP
> >http://TheEssentialExchange.com <http://theessentialexchange.com/>
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
> >To: NT System Admin Issues
> >Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> >
> >I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
> >some "non-college educated" people were able to start successful
> >businesses was the fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize
> >the risks involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> >Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
> >To: NT System Admin Issues
> >Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> >
> >No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
> >need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you
> >love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate
> >about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our
> >less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new
> >ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and
> >seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at
> >Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for
> >it is far higher.
> >
> >"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
> >Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
> >1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become
> >a billionaire, right? Wrong.
> >
> >Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
> >programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
> >co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
> >The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
> >for the school's computer club in 1968.
> >
> >A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
> >a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
> >programming.
> >
> >The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
> >Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
> >after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired
> >their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
> >time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."
> >
> >http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/
> >
> >And another recommended read:
> >http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html
> >
> >Dave.
> >
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
> >Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
> >To: NT System Admin Issues
> >Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> >
> >Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
> >Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...
> >
> >Ben M. Schorr
> >Roland Schorr & Tower
> >www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr
> >
> >-Original Message-
> >From: David Lum [mail

Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

Hey, you get any Citrix work this side of the pond, chuck it my way. I am 
booked solid till three weeks' time :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: Webster 
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 17:31:28 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.

On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com<mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
"non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david@nwea.org>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>]
Sent: Saturday, Feb

Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Stop rubbing it in.  :)

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

*



On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 12:31 PM, Webster  wrote:

>   I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.
>  Don't know why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo!
> LOL
>
>  Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a
> lot of AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2
> AD infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no
> longer do Exchange and refer all that to MBS.
>
>  I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't
> have the time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and
> already starting to worry because no one is calling about August or
> September yet! :)
>
>
>Carl Webster
>
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
>
> http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>
>
>   From: James Rankin 
> Reply-To: NT Issues 
> Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
> To: NT Issues 
>
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>  I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
> years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
> the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.
>
> It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
> work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
> contributed to convincing me to do the same.
>
> On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:
>
>> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
>> I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>>
>> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
>> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Michael B. Smith
>> Consultant and Exchange MVP
>> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>> I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
>> some "non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses
>> was the fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks
>> involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
>> To: NT System Admin Issues
>> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>>
>> No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
>> need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love,
>> it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about
>> what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less
>> passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways
>> to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking
>> out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows
>> administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far
>> higher.
>>
>> "Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
>> Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
>> 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a
>> billionaire, right? Wrong.
>>
>> Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
>> programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
>> co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
>> The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
>> for the school's computer club in 1968.
>>
>> A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
>> a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
>> programming.
>>
>> The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
>> Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
>> after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired
>> their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
>> time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

I find myself busier than a one-arm paper hanger in a wind storm.  Don't know 
why it took me so long to convince MBS that I should go solo! LOL

Now that my fellow CTPs know I can spell AD, I am finding myself doing a lot of 
AD assessments, assisting with AD migrations and putting in 2008 R2 AD 
infrastructures.  I would say I am now 50% AD and 50% Citrix.  I no longer do 
Exchange and refer all that to MBS.

I can't believe how much Citrix work I turn down because I just don't have the 
time.  Right now I am tentatively booked thru the end of July and already 
starting to worry because no one is calling about August or September yet! :)



Carl Webster

Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional

http://www.CarlWebster.com<http://www.carlwebster.com/>

From: James Rankin mailto:kz2...@googlemail.com>>
Reply-To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 +
To: NT Issues 
mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six years 
before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting the amount 
of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could work 
for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly contributed to 
convincing me to do the same.

On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith 
mailto:mich...@smithcons.com>> wrote:
I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com<mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
"non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org<mailto:david....@nwea.org>]
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-----
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com<mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com>]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com<http://www.rolandschorr.com> | 
www.officeforlawy

Re: OT - ugh!

[Webster]

Hey now, I represent that remark! :)

It is almost 8:30AM here in Anchorage and it is pitch black outside.  But
at leas it is a nice warm 19 degrees F.  When I went to the store
yesterday at 3PM, it was 16 degrees and people here were wearing shorts
and t-shirts!!!  Even the policemen outside were in short-sleeves.

Different world here.

Is anyone on this list in Anchorage?


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional
http://www.CarlWebster.com <http://www.carlwebster.com/>






On 2/6/12 6:47 AM, "Michael B. Smith"  wrote:

>I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
>I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much
>earlier.
>
>I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
>week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>
>Regards,
>
>Michael B. Smith
>Consultant and Exchange MVP
>http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
>I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that
>some "non-college educated" people were able to start successful
>businesses was the fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize
>the risks involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
>No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
>need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you
>love, it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate
>about what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our
>less passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new
>ways to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and
>seeking out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at
>Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for
>it is far higher.
>
>"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
>Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
>1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become
>a billionaire, right? Wrong.
>
>Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
>programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
>co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
>The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
>for the school's computer club in 1968.
>
>A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
>a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
>programming.
>
>The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
>Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
>after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired
>their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
>time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."
>
>http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/10000_hours_of_practice/
>
>And another recommended read:
>http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html
>
>Dave.
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
>Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
>Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
>Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...
>
>Ben M. Schorr
>Roland Schorr & Tower
>www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr
>
>-Original Message-
>From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
>Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
>To: NT System Admin Issues
>Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
>"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
>Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only
>guess the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
>industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
>that thinking.
>
>It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we
>changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of
>that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired
>wasn't told what was really

Re: OT - ugh!

[James Rankin]

I ran as a contractor through a managed services company for about six
years before taking the plunge myself. Whereas now I find myself counting
the amount of extra tax I spent the last six years paying in disgust.

It may have been the aforementioned man-in-Alaska mentioning how he could
work for 48 hours a day once he'd struck out on his own that possibly
contributed to convincing me to do the same.

On 6 February 2012 15:47, Michael B. Smith  wrote:

> I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what
> I already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.
>
> I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this
> week) who waited even longer than I did. :-)
>
> Regards,
>
> Michael B. Smith
> Consultant and Exchange MVP
> http://TheEssentialExchange.com
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some
> "non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was
> the fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks
> involved.  An interesting thought, isn't it?
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do
> need brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love,
> it's not work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about
> what they do are what you're looking for. We're better than our less
> passionate IT workers simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways
> to do things, learning how the mechanics of something works, and seeking
> out others who have the same passion. I feel I'm better at Windows
> administration than my fellow SE's simply because my passion for it is far
> higher.
>
> "Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded.
> Bill Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in
> 1975. It's that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a
> billionaire, right? Wrong.
>
> Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of
> programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two
> co-founders met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area.
> The school raised three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal
> for the school's computer club in 1968.
>
> A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to
> a terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to
> programming.
>
> The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager,
> Gates fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home
> after bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired
> their10,000 hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the
> time came to launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."
>
> http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/
>
> And another recommended read:
> http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html
>
> Dave.
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com]
> Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
> Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...
>
> Ben M. Schorr
> Roland Schorr & Tower
> www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> "This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
> Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess
> the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
> industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
> that thinking.
>
> It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we
> changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of
> that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't
> told what was really happening.
>
> Da

Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

I wish. I'd have spent most of last year rioting. :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

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From: 
Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 11:17:56 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!



I think I remember reading something about that game.  Isn't that where, when 
their team loses, half the fans riot?  
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:38:36 +



I was told once being a Sunderland fan helped me get a job. Not that you US 
guys will even know about football. Real football, that is. Played with feet :-)
Sent from my SR-71 BlackbirdFrom:  "Guyer, Donald" 
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:13:52 -0500To: NT System Admin 
IssuesReplyTo:  "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
There are soo many factors that come into play during the hiring 
process. Tech skills, personality, appearance, education, communication 
skills….the list goes on. Sometimes something that both parties share in common 
that pops up in the casual part of the interview sways it. Hobbies, music, 
sports…. Hell, I landed a gig awhile back, where my boss told me he hired me in 
large part due to the fact that I had a modified Jeep (he owned one too). I was 
told by my new employer that what stood out for me was the way I answered the 
scenario questions regarding prioritizing and IT’s role in supporting the 
business (availability, bottom line, etc). They asked me very few technical 
questions, based on the fact that I’ve been in IT since the late 80s. Some I 
couldn’t answer, but I was honest and they told me that was another thing they 
liked about me. Sometimes I equate the whole process to blindly throwing a 
dart… Don GuyerDirectory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Exactly. Hiring "rules" are very dependent upon who is 
doing the hiring, the formal HR processes in the organization, what industry is 
involved, the geography in question, and the perceived level/degree of 
competition/demand for the position. There are very few hard and fast 
rules.ASBhttp://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerHarnessing the Advantages of Technology 
for the SMB market…

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John Hornbuckle 
 wrote:Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing 
that employers are looking for loyalty, and that job-hoppers make hiring 
managers nervous. Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.   John Hornbuckle, 
MSMIS, PMPMIS DepartmentTaylor County School Districtwww.taylor.k12.fl.us   
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: OT - ugh!  I do not agree with the 
mentality, but I have heard the argument: "If they were any good, they would be 
changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills". Depending on the 
environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 2-5 years so that 
would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is that you started in 
one role and changed your role, probably more than once in that 15 years. Sorry 
for the bad news, hopefully you will find something. RobertOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 
at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner  wrote:Nothing sucks more than 
being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company
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RE: OT - ugh!

[pdw1914]

I think I remember reading something about that game.  Isn't that where, when 
their team loses, half the fans riot?  
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:38:36 +



I was told once being a Sunderland fan helped me get a job. Not that you US 
guys will even know about football. Real football, that is. Played with feet :-)
Sent from my SR-71 BlackbirdFrom:  "Guyer, Donald" 
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:13:52 -0500To: NT System Admin 
IssuesReplyTo:  "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
There are soo many factors that come into play during the hiring 
process. Tech skills, personality, appearance, education, communication 
skills….the list goes on. Sometimes something that both parties share in common 
that pops up in the casual part of the interview sways it. Hobbies, music, 
sports…. Hell, I landed a gig awhile back, where my boss told me he hired me in 
large part due to the fact that I had a modified Jeep (he owned one too). I was 
told by my new employer that what stood out for me was the way I answered the 
scenario questions regarding prioritizing and IT’s role in supporting the 
business (availability, bottom line, etc). They asked me very few technical 
questions, based on the fact that I’ve been in IT since the late 80s. Some I 
couldn’t answer, but I was honest and they told me that was another thing they 
liked about me. Sometimes I equate the whole process to blindly throwing a 
dart… Don GuyerDirectory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Exactly. Hiring "rules" are very dependent upon who is 
doing the hiring, the formal HR processes in the organization, what industry is 
involved, the geography in question, and the perceived level/degree of 
competition/demand for the position. There are very few hard and fast 
rules.ASBhttp://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerHarnessing the Advantages of Technology 
for the SMB market…

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John Hornbuckle 
 wrote:Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing 
that employers are looking for loyalty, and that job-hoppers make hiring 
managers nervous. Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.   John Hornbuckle, 
MSMIS, PMPMIS DepartmentTaylor County School Districtwww.taylor.k12.fl.us   
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: OT - ugh!  I do not agree with the 
mentality, but I have heard the argument: "If they were any good, they would be 
changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills". Depending on the 
environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 2-5 years so that 
would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is that you started in 
one role and changed your role, probably more than once in that 15 years. Sorry 
for the bad news, hopefully you will find something. RobertOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 
at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner  wrote:Nothing sucks more than 
being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company
for 15 years..."  WTF?~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
resource hog! ~
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RE: OT - ugh!

[pdw1914]

I think I remember reading something about that game.  Isn't that where, when 
their team loses, half the fans riot?  
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
To: ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com
From: kz2...@googlemail.com
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 22:38:36 +



I was told once being a Sunderland fan helped me get a job. Not that you US 
guys will even know about football. Real football, that is. Played with feet :-)
Sent from my SR-71 BlackbirdFrom:  "Guyer, Donald" 
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:13:52 -0500To: NT System Admin 
IssuesReplyTo:  "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
There are soo many factors that come into play during the hiring 
process. Tech skills, personality, appearance, education, communication 
skills….the list goes on. Sometimes something that both parties share in common 
that pops up in the casual part of the interview sways it. Hobbies, music, 
sports…. Hell, I landed a gig awhile back, where my boss told me he hired me in 
large part due to the fact that I had a modified Jeep (he owned one too). I was 
told by my new employer that what stood out for me was the way I answered the 
scenario questions regarding prioritizing and IT’s role in supporting the 
business (availability, bottom line, etc). They asked me very few technical 
questions, based on the fact that I’ve been in IT since the late 80s. Some I 
couldn’t answer, but I was honest and they told me that was another thing they 
liked about me. Sometimes I equate the whole process to blindly throwing a 
dart… Don GuyerDirectory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh! Exactly. Hiring "rules" are very dependent upon who is 
doing the hiring, the formal HR processes in the organization, what industry is 
involved, the geography in question, and the perceived level/degree of 
competition/demand for the position. There are very few hard and fast 
rules.ASBhttp://XeeMe.com/AndrewBakerHarnessing the Advantages of Technology 
for the SMB market…

On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John Hornbuckle 
 wrote:Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing 
that employers are looking for loyalty, and that job-hoppers make hiring 
managers nervous. Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.   John Hornbuckle, 
MSMIS, PMPMIS DepartmentTaylor County School Districtwww.taylor.k12.fl.us   
From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin IssuesSubject: Re: OT - ugh!  I do not agree with the 
mentality, but I have heard the argument: "If they were any good, they would be 
changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills". Depending on the 
environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 2-5 years so that 
would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is that you started in 
one role and changed your role, probably more than once in that 15 years. Sorry 
for the bad news, hopefully you will find something. RobertOn Wed, Feb 1, 2012 
at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner  wrote:Nothing sucks more than 
being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company
for 15 years..."  WTF?~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a 
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RE: OT - ugh!

[Michael B. Smith]

I put off starting my own business for YEARS because I was afraid of what I 
already knew. :-) Whereas, in retrospect, I wish I'd done it much earlier.

I can think of someone else on this mailing list (who is in Alaska this week) 
who waited even longer than I did. :-)

Regards,

Michael B. Smith
Consultant and Exchange MVP
http://TheEssentialExchange.com


-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 10:28 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
"non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed 
our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-----Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all 
of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

> -Original Message-
> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

RE: OT - ugh!

[Maglinger, Paul]

I remember reading something awhile back stating that the reason that some 
"non-college educated" people were able to start successful businesses was the 
fact that they were not "educated" enough to realize the risks involved.  An 
interesting thought, isn't it?

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 06, 2012 8:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed 
our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-----Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all 
of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

> -Original Message-
> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> 
> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
> ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
> period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
> fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
> background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 

RE: OT - ugh!

[John Hornbuckle]

Sometimes you just have to say that even if the system sucks, it is what it 
is--you have to play the game. You could say the same for certs (someone 
without certs could be better at a job than someone with them), experience 
(someone with five years of experience could be better than someone with 15), 
or any other criteria.

If you're in a position to do it, go for the degree if you feel like it will 
open doors for you. Many schools offer online programs aimed at people who 
work. Maybe I'm too much like the scarecrow from The Wizard of Oz, but just 
having that piece of paper makes me feel good.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us


-Original Message-
From: John Cook [mailto:john.c...@pfsf.org] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 8:18 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Convince Corporate American HR that's the best way to handle it. Because I have 
no college degree I can't even get an interview for jobs I'm more than 
technically qualified to handle.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families



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RE: OT - ugh!

[David Lum]

No, you don't need a degree to start a billion dollar company, but you do need 
brains and a lot of hard work.  Of course if it's something you love, it's not 
work at all it's a passion, and folks that are passionate about what they do 
are what you're looking for. We're better than our less passionate IT workers 
simply because we ENJOY the work, learning new ways to do things, learning how 
the mechanics of something works, and seeking out others who have the same 
passion. I feel I'm better at Windows administration than my fellow SE's simply 
because my passion for it is far higher.

"Sneaking Out to Write Code: You already know how Microsoft was founded. Bill 
Gates and Paul Allen dropped out of college to form the company in 1975. It's 
that simple: Drop out of college, start a company, and become a billionaire, 
right? Wrong.

Further study reveals that Gates and Allen had thousands of hours of 
programming practice prior to founding Microsoft. First, the two co-founders 
met at Lakeside, an elite private school in the Seattle area. The school raised 
three thousand dollars to purchase a computer terminal for the school's 
computer club in 1968.

A computer terminal at a university was rare in 1968. Gates had access to a 
terminal in eighth grade. Gates and Allen quickly became addicted to 
programming.

The Gates family lived near the University of Washington. As a teenager, Gates 
fed his programming addiction by sneaking out of his parents' home after 
bedtime to use the University's computer. Gates & Allen acquired their10,000 
hours through this and other clever teenage schemes. When the time came to 
launch Microsoft in 1975, the two were ready."

http://www.wisdomgroup.com/report/1_hours_of_practice/

And another recommended read: 
http://blogs.hbr.org/cs/2011/12/a_fast_track_to_1_hours_of.html

Dave.


-Original Message-
From: Ben M. Schorr [mailto:b...@rolandschorr.com] 
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 6:19 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed 
our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-----
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all 
of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

> -Original Message-
> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> 
> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
> ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
> period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
> fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
> background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 
> think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds 
> to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch 
> my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best 
> efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
> obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
> 
> Murray
> 
> -Original Message-
>

RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

Well yeah that part is silly. Obviously the right people aren't sync'ed on 
hiring criteria which is a problem.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132

From: Rene de Haas [mailto:rene.deh...@gmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 7:12 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!


OK

And they notice that at the very end.

Apparently some people weren't up to.the job of reading his  resume.
Op 5 feb. 2012 02:02 schreef "Brian Desmond" 
mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>> het volgende:
I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been in one 
place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to have much in 
the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a new customer or 
take a new position at a new company, you're going to see new ways to do 
things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll see them, and even 
more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads.

Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally every 
few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way of not 
making it in review cycles.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com<mailto:br...@briandesmond.com>

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com<mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

"Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues."

Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no project 
management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating the network 
like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding and stabilize 
the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a more proactive 
approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave details.)

I guess they rather have the fires...


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman 
mailto:drkuhl...@yahoo.com>> wrote:
> That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15
> years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
>
> I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice
> people so far.
>
> I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows
> background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Don K
>
> 
> From: Jacob Kisner mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com>>
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> mailto:ntsysadmin@lyris.sunbelt-software.com>>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
> Subject: OT - ugh!
>
> Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
> different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
> are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
> changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company
> for 15 years..."  WTF?
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Andrew S. Baker]

Just because they got in that way doesn't mean the practice continues... :)

Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't.   The more formal an organization,
the less flexibility there often is with the rules.

* *

*ASB* *http://XeeMe.com/AndrewBaker* *Harnessing the Advantages of
Technology for the SMB market…

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On Sat, Feb 4, 2012 at 9:19 PM, Ben M. Schorr  wrote:

> Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or
> Facebook.  Well...at least not to be CEO of either...
>
> Ben M. Schorr
> Roland Schorr & Tower
> www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr
>
> -Original Message-
> From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
> Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> "This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
> Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess
> the person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech
> industry? Or, maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand
> that thinking.
>
> It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we
> changed our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of
> that kind of thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't
> told what was really happening.
>
> Dave
>
> -Original Message-----
> From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for
> a very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in
> the process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes
> when "all of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no
> college degree.  This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
>
> I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)
>
>
> Carl Webster
> Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >
> > Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very
> > strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact
> > that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER
> > ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer,
> > period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can
> > fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied
> > background which would include more than one job over a decade. I
> > think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds
> > to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch
> > my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best
> > efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also
> obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
> >
> > Murray
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: James Hill
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> >
> > I feel for you.
> >
> > But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can
> > offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were
> > employed by them.
> >
> > You are better off with an employer that shares your values.
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
> > Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM
> > To: NT System Admin Issues
> > Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> >
> > "Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues."
> >
> > Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no
> > project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff
> > treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop
> > the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it),
> > I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop
> > the fires (also gave
> > details.)
> >
> > I guess they rather have the fires...
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman 
> > wrote:
> > > That makes no sense - wh

RE: OT - ugh!

[Ben M. Schorr]

Apparently you wouldn't HAVE to get a degree to work at Microsoft or Facebook.  
Well...at least not to be CEO of either...

Ben M. Schorr
Roland Schorr & Tower
www.rolandschorr.com | www.officeforlawyers.com | Twitter: @bschorr

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:30
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed 
our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all 
of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

> -Original Message-
> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> 
> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
> ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
> period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
> fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
> background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 
> think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds 
> to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch 
> my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best 
> efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
> obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
> 
> Murray
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: James Hill
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
> 
> I feel for you.
> 
> But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can 
> offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were 
> employed by them.
> 
> You are better off with an employer that shares your values.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
> 
> "Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues."
> 
> Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no 
> project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff 
> treating the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop 
> the bleeding and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), 
> I can implement a more proactive approach to IT management and stop 
> the fires (also gave
> details.)
> 
> I guess they rather have the fires...
> 
> 
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman 
> wrote:
> > That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 
> > years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
> >
> > I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice 
> > people so far.
> >
> > I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows 
> > background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Don K
> >
> > 
> > From: Jacob Kisner 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
> > Subject: OT - ugh!
> >
> > Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a 
> > different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we 
> > are going to offer you a position

Re: OT - ugh!

[John Cook]

Convince Corporate American HR that's the best way to handle it. Because I have 
no college degree I can't even get an interview for jobs I'm more than 
technically qualified to handle.
John W. Cook
Systems Administrator
Partnership for Strong Families

- Original Message -
From: Brian Desmond [mailto:br...@briandesmond.com]
Sent: Saturday, February 04, 2012 08:03 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That's how I write reqs. I don't really care whether or not you have a degree 
if you can show me you know how to think critically about stuff and have the 
work ethic to get things done. A degree will generally demonstrate these skills 
to the extent you needed them to get the degree, but, it doesn't really mean to 
me that you know anything practical.

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
br...@briandesmond.com

w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132


-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

In my org there are certainly positions that not having a degree would exclude 
you for being considered, but many IT of our positions like mine (well, this is 
the Sr SE that I have not achieved yet) have this:

Minimum bachelor's degree in related field; equivalent combinations of 
education and experience will be considered in lieu of a degree.
(I have no degree but have been doing IT admin stuff as my %dayjob% since 1995)

Minimum 6 years related experience, with at least 4 years experience in one of 
the two following areas:
A. Microsoft OS and systems B. Cisco networking

Fortunately the "equivalent combinations of education and experience" helps.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Many positions in many companies have degree requirements, whether actually 
reasonable or not.

Some companies (I am thinking specifically of BASF) even do salary banding 
based on highest-degree-obtained.


Sent from my HTC Tilt(tm) 2, a Windows(r) phone from AT&T

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!


"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed 
our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all 
of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

> -Original Message-----
> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very
> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact
> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER
> ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer,
> period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can
> fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied
> background which would include more than one job over a decade. I
> think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds
> to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch
> my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best
> efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
> obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
>
> Murray
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Hill
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> I feel for you.
>
> But try an

RE: OT - ugh!

[Rene de Haas]

OK

And they notice that at the very end.

Apparently some people weren't up to.the job of reading his  resume.
Op 5 feb. 2012 02:02 schreef "Brian Desmond"  het
volgende:

> I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been
> in one place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to
> have much in the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a
> new customer or take a new position at a new company, you're going to see
> new ways to do things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll
> see them, and even more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads.
>
> Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally
> every few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way
> of not making it in review cycles.
>
> Thanks,
> Brian Desmond
> br...@briandesmond.com
>
> w - 312.625.1438 | c   - 312.731.3132
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
> "Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues."
>
> Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no
> project management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating
> the network like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding
> and stabilize the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a
> more proactive approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave
> details.)
>
> I guess they rather have the fires...
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman  wrote:
> > That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15
> > years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
> >
> > I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice
> > people so far.
> >
> > I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows
> > background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
> >
> > Good luck!
> >
> > Don K
> >
> > 
> > From: Jacob Kisner 
> > To: NT System Admin Issues 
> > Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
> > Subject: OT - ugh!
> >
> > Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
> > different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
> > are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
> > changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company
> > for 15 years..."  WTF?
> >
> > ~ Finally, powerful endpoint security that ISN'T a resource hog! ~ ~
> > <http://www.sunbeltsoftware.com/Business/VIPRE-Enterprise/>  ~
> >
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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

That's how I write reqs. I don't really care whether or not you have a degree 
if you can show me you know how to think critically about stuff and have the 
work ethic to get things done. A degree will generally demonstrate these skills 
to the extent you needed them to get the degree, but, it doesn't really mean to 
me that you know anything practical. 

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-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org] 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:24 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

In my org there are certainly positions that not having a degree would exclude 
you for being considered, but many IT of our positions like mine (well, this is 
the Sr SE that I have not achieved yet) have this:

Minimum bachelor's degree in related field; equivalent combinations of 
education and experience will be considered in lieu of a degree.
(I have no degree but have been doing IT admin stuff as my %dayjob% since 1995)

Minimum 6 years related experience, with at least 4 years experience in one of 
the two following areas:  
A. Microsoft OS and systems B. Cisco networking

Fortunately the "equivalent combinations of education and experience" helps.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Michael B. Smith [mailto:mich...@smithcons.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 6:54 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Many positions in many companies have degree requirements, whether actually 
reasonable or not.

Some companies (I am thinking specifically of BASF) even do salary banding 
based on highest-degree-obtained.


Sent from my HTC Tilt(tm) 2, a Windows(r) phone from AT&T

-Original Message-
From: David Lum 
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 9:43 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!


"This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."
Wow. I can see the college degree being a tiebreaker, but I can only guess the 
person making that statement doesn't fully understand the tech industry? Or, 
maybe not having gone to college myself I don't understand that thinking.

It could have also been their way of backing out, instead of saying "we changed 
our minds on our needs" or "we hired from inside". I've heard of that kind of 
thing before - where what the person not getting hired wasn't told what was 
really happening.

Dave

-Original Message-
From: Webster [mailto:webs...@carlwebster.com]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:16 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Last year I was in the final interview for a Citrix Architect position for a 
very large company in Nashville.  IIRC, it was like interview #6 or 7 in the 
process.  I had been talking with the executive for over 45 minutes when "all 
of a sudden" he says "Oh, I'm sorry I didn't realize you had no college degree. 
 This position requires a degree.  Sorry. Click."

I then took MBS' advice and went solo.   I say screw FTE! :)


Carl Webster
Consultant and Citrix Technology Professional http://www.CarlWebster.com

> -Original Message-
> From: MMF [mailto:mmfree...@ameritech.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:43 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
> Assuming they're being honest, it tells me that they are not very 
> strong in background checking. How could they have missed the fact 
> that you've been with one company for more than 10 years. I've NEVER 
> ever heard of a company offering a job and then withdrawing the offer, 
> period, much less before total background check. I believe that I can 
> fully understand the idea of wanting IT staff that has a varied 
> background which would include more than one job over a decade. I 
> think you are fortunate that you didn't take the job because it sounds 
> to me that the organization isn't of the highest quality, if you catch 
> my drift. Sometimes things happen for the best in spite of your best 
> efforts. They didn't vet you, but how well did you vet them! It's also 
> obvious that they don't recognize talent when they see it!
>
> Murray
>
> -Original Message-
> From: James Hill
> Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:09 PM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: RE: OT - ugh!
>
> I feel for you.
>
> But try and look at this way.  If they can't see the value you can 
> offer now then it would only be a continual uphill fight if you were 
> employed by them.
>
> You are better off with an employer that shares your values.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Thursday, 2 February 2012 9:52 AM
> To: NT System Admin Issues
> Subject: Re: OT - ugh!
>
>

RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

When I look at a resume, I’m perfectly fine with job-hopping so to speak. The 
red flag for me is when it’s patterned and usually in the every 12-18 months 
range. I’ve never seen a hire go well when someone had that history and 
insisted in interviews that they were looking to stay/settle down/whatever the 
reason.



Thanks,
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From: John Hornbuckle [mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 8:50 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Well, I’m all confused. I keep hearing that employers are looking for loyalty, 
and that job-hoppers make hiring managers nervous.

Darned if you do, darned if you don’t.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
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From: Robert Cato 
[mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]<mailto:[mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!


I do not agree with the mentality, but I have heard the argument: "If they were 
any good, they would be changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills". 
Depending on the environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 
2-5 years so that would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is 
that you started in one role and changed your role, probably more than once in 
that 15 years.

Sorry for the bad news, hopefully you will find something.

Robert
On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 6:19 PM, Jacob Kisner 
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Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company
for 15 years..."  WTF?

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Brian Desmond]

I am sympathetic to the company doing the interview here. If you've been in one 
place for 15 years straight doing internal IT, you are unlikely to have much in 
the way of diversified experience. Every time you work with a new customer or 
take a new position at a new company, you're going to see new ways to do 
things. Some will be better, some will be worse, but, you'll see them, and even 
more so, you'll be exposed to the goods/bads. 

Some large companies have expectations that you'll move around internally every 
few years to change things up and when people don't, they have a way of not 
making it in review cycles. 

Thanks,
Brian Desmond
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-Original Message-
From: Jacob Kisner [mailto:jbdkis...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 5:52 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

"Because we feel  you are not diversified enough to address our issues."

Same issues I have addressed over the years poor issue management, no project 
management, no documentation, crashing servers, IT staff treating the network 
like a high school lab.. etc. Not only can I stop the bleeding and stabilize 
the patient (gave then how I would do it), I can implement a more proactive 
approach to IT management and stop the fires (also gave details.)

I guess they rather have the fires...


On Wed, Feb 1, 2012 at 3:27 PM, Don Kuhlman  wrote:
> That makes no sense - why do they care where you were for 15 
> years...Sorry to hear that Jacob.
>
> I just started a new position - temp for 9 months, nice place - nice 
> people so far.
>
> I'm getting into MAC/Linux support so it's a stretch for me (windows 
> background), but it's a job and a chance to learn.
>
> Good luck!
>
> Don K
>
> 
> From: Jacob Kisner 
> To: NT System Admin Issues 
> Sent: Wednesday, February 1, 2012 5:19 PM
> Subject: OT - ugh!
>
> Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a 
> different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we 
> are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we 
> changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company 
> for 15 years..."  WTF?
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Re: OT - ugh!

[Ben Scott]

On Fri, Feb 3, 2012 at 8:00 PM, Ken Schaefer  wrote:
> And it's not about "paying peanuts get monkeys" - what's happened
> too much in IT is paying inflated salaries for "well trained engineers"
> yet projects are late/over budget/etc.

  I've found there's plenty of both.  Some companies underpay and get
clueless people, and that ends badly.  And some companies pay top
dollar but still get clueless people, and that ends badly.  There
doesn't seem to be a correlation between clue and pay.

  Again, I suspect the problem is that it's hard to quantify clue.
Some people "get it", others don't, but it's very hard to define what
"it" is, or to determine if someone has "it".

  This also makes it hard to teach "it".  I've got two minions now,
both somewhat green to "real IT management".  While neither is a waste
of space, both also have a lot to learn.  I get the feeling there is
some systemic pattern to it that I could address if I only knew how.
:-(

-- Ben

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RE: OT - ugh!

[Ken Schaefer]

I don't think it has anything to do with "lowering costs" per se - it's supply 
and demand. Entry level positions simply do not have the barrier to entry that 
they did before. If the skillset is more ubiquitous, then the price it commands 
goes down. That's exactly the same with any other trade or profession.

OEMs don't woo companies to outsource - HP as an OEM has no interest in taking 
over your IT - just you buying stuff from our PCSG. HP ITO/Enterprise Services 
(which is a completely different business unit) does. Then there are companies 
like Wipro which would like to take over your IT, but they aren't an OEM at all.

And it's not about "paying peanuts get monkeys" - what's happened too much in 
IT is paying inflated salaries for "well trained engineers" yet projects are 
late/over budget/etc. 

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Maglinger, Paul [mailto:pmaglin...@scvl.com] 
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 11:29 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

One other thing that I think we may see is adjustments in wages.  Starting 
positions may not offer the same wages as they did in the past in an attempt 
for companies to lower costs.  I also see what I perceive as attempts by OEMs 
to woo companies to outsource more and more services to them (such as HP) 
rather than encourage companies to have well-trained engineers.  Of course if 
you pay peanuts you're still going to get monkeys, unless someone can't afford 
to eat anything else.

-Original Message-
From: David Lum [mailto:david@nwea.org]
Sent: Friday, February 03, 2012 7:59 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

That was well put, Ken.

-Original Message-
From: Ken Schaefer [mailto:k...@adopenstatic.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 7:39 PM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

I think our opinions are coloured by our industry and in particular working in 
(small scale) systems administrator, which is more of a trade than a profession.

For many other professions: civil engineering, medicine, accounting - there is 
no way you'd get anywhere in most countries without a degree. There is simply 
too much established theory in those fields that you just have to know in order 
to be useful. Systems engineering might be a bit different because basic theory 
and principles are not as well established. Software and electrical engineering 
are perhaps more established, and there are many algorithms, principles and 
methodologies (like lifecycle management, project management) etc that a 
structured course such as a degree can help you with.

That said, systems engineering will change to. Organisations (starting with the 
biggest, but I suspect it'll eventually make its way down to the smaller ones) 
are looking for structured, repeatable, predictable delivery. They outsource. 
They get x service for $y within z minutes/hours/days. And the companies that 
provide it (HP/EDS, CSC, IBM, Satyam, Wipro, etc.) all have regulated 
processes, backed by technologies (invariably built upon ITIL at the moment). 
If you want to get ahead in this type of world, there'll have to be some theory 
that you need to learn, because deep technical skills are for 
architecture/design/implementation, and not operations (except for those in 
high severity incident management). Operations is about following processes, 
managing expectations, and executing structured/tested change requests.

Cheers
Ken

-Original Message-
From: Mathew Shember [mailto:mathew.shem...@synopsys.com]
Sent: Friday, 3 February 2012 3:57 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

Indeed.

Certs and degrees are used by people who aren't technical and don't know what 
to ask let alone evaluate.

I have seen talent from prestigious schools and I have seen lunkheads from 
prestigious schools.

The universities were setting rather high expectations however.  A friend used 
to handle the college new hires and he said he had to talk a few off the ledge 
because they weren't VPs inside of 6 months.

Thanks,
Mathew




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Re: OT - ugh!

[Rankin, James R]

I was told once being a Sunderland fan helped me get a job. Not that you US 
guys will even know about football. Real football, that is. Played with feet :-)

Sent from my SR-71 Blackbird

-Original Message-
From: "Guyer, Donald" 
Date: Fri, 3 Feb 2012 15:13:52 
To: NT System Admin Issues
Reply-To: "NT System Admin Issues" 
Subject: RE: OT - ugh!

There are soo many factors that come into play during the hiring 
process.

Tech skills, personality, appearance, education, communication skillsthe 
list goes on. Sometimes something that both parties share in common that pops 
up in the casual part of the interview sways it. Hobbies, music, sports

Hell, I landed a gig awhile back, where my boss told me he hired me in large 
part due to the fact that I had a modified Jeep (he owned one too).

I was told by my new employer that what stood out for me was the way I answered 
the scenario questions regarding prioritizing and IT's role in supporting the 
business (availability, bottom line, etc).

They asked me very few technical questions, based on the fact that I've been in 
IT since the late 80s. Some I couldn't answer, but I was honest and they told 
me that was another thing they liked about me.

Sometimes I equate the whole process to blindly throwing a dart...

Don Guyer
Directory and Messaging Services
Catholic Health East, ITSS

From: Andrew S. Baker [mailto:asbz...@gmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, February 02, 2012 10:33 AM
To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!

Exactly.

Hiring "rules" are very dependent upon who is doing the hiring, the formal HR 
processes in the organization, what industry is involved, the geography in 
question, and the perceived level/degree of competition/demand for the position.

There are very few hard and fast rules.
ASB

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On Thu, Feb 2, 2012 at 9:49 AM, John Hornbuckle 
mailto:john.hornbuc...@taylor.k12.fl.us>> 
wrote:
Well, I'm all confused. I keep hearing that employers are looking for loyalty, 
and that job-hoppers make hiring managers nervous.

Darned if you do, darned if you don't.



John Hornbuckle, MSMIS, PMP
MIS Department
Taylor County School District
www.taylor.k12.fl.us<http://www.taylor.k12.fl.us>



From: Robert Cato [mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com<mailto:cato.rob...@gmail.com>]
Sent: Wednesday, February 01, 2012 6:54 PM

To: NT System Admin Issues
Subject: Re: OT - ugh!


I do not agree with the mentality, but I have heard the argument: "If they were 
any good, they would be changing jobs every 2-5 years to expand their skills". 
Depending on the environment, most companies change (refresh technology) every 
2-5 years so that would force some expansion of skills. Another scenario is 
that you started in one role and changed your role, probably more than once in 
that 15 years.

Sorry for the bad news, hopefully you will find something.

Robert
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Nothing sucks more than being interviewed for a position at a
different company last Tuesday, then being called Thursday to say we
are going to offer you a position and finally being told today that we
changed our mind... "We did not realize you were with the same company
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