Re: [osol-discuss] Oracle Solaris 11 - The First Cloud OS
On Wed, Nov 9, 2011 at 9:27 AM, Glynn Foster glynn.fos...@oracle.comwrote: Today marks the release of Oracle Solaris 11, the first cloud OS. Oracle Solaris 11 delivers ground-breaking features for secure and agile deployment of services in large scale cloud environments and enterprise data centers. With over 4,000 different new features, Oracle Solaris 11 raises the bar on enterprise operating systems. Oracle Solaris 11 is 7 years in the making and a whole new set of capabilities, from advanced network virtualization to high performance cryptography and virtualization, dependency aware software packing and installation technologies. Check out what's new with this release: http://www.oracle.com/**technetwork/server-storage/** solaris11/overview/whats-new/**index.htmlhttp://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/overview/whats-new/index.html Download: http://oracle.com/technetwork/** server-storage/solaris11/**downloads/index.htmhttp://oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/downloads/index.htm Release Notes: http://download.oracle.com/**docs/cd/E19963-01/index.html# **release-infohttp://download.oracle.com/docs/cd/E19963-01/index.html#release-info Documentation: http://oracle.com/technetwork/**server-storage/solaris11/** documentation/index.htmlhttp://oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/documentation/index.html Training: http://oracle.com/technetwork/** server-storage/solaris11/**training/index.htmlhttp://oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/solaris11/training/index.html Blog: http://blogs.oracle.com/**solarishttp://blogs.oracle.com/solaris Facebook: http://facebook.com/**oraclesolarishttp://facebook.com/oraclesolaris Twitter: http://twitter.com/ORCL_**Solarishttp://twitter.com/ORCL_Solaris I'd like to express my thanks and congratulations to each and everyone who has contributed in some way to this release. Help spread the word! Glynn Foster On behalf of the Oracle Solaris Team __**_ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@**opensolaris.orgopensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Hi Glynn et al, Congrats on getting Sol 11 out the door. Question: is there, o, will there be, an AWS (Amazon Web Services) EC2 Solaris 11 AMI available? Regards, -- Al Hopper 214.233.5089 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] (www|hg|svn|wiki).genunix.org down ?
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Al Hopper a...@logical-approach.com wrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Roland Mainz roland.ma...@nrubsig.orgwrote: Hi! Does anyone know what's wrong with (www|hg|svn|wiki).genunix.org ? I can't reach any of these sites since some time... ;-( Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.ma...@nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, CJAVASunUnix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 3992797 (;O/ \/ \O;) Looks like a networking issue... I'll get back to when more details are available... Thanks for the heads up. .. It may be tomorrow AM Pacific time before the folks at the ISC NOC can resolve this issue. Thanks for your patience. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX a...@logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] (www|hg|svn|wiki).genunix.org down ?
On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 1:16 AM, Al Hopper a...@logical-approach.com wrote: On Sat, Jul 11, 2009 at 12:38 AM, Al Hopper a...@logical-approach.comwrote: On Fri, Jul 10, 2009 at 7:58 PM, Roland Mainz roland.ma...@nrubsig.orgwrote: Hi! Does anyone know what's wrong with (www|hg|svn|wiki).genunix.org ? I can't reach any of these sites since some time... ;-( Bye, Roland -- __ . . __ (o.\ \/ /.o) roland.ma...@nrubsig.org \__\/\/__/ MPEG specialist, CJAVASunUnix programmer /O /==\ O\ TEL +49 641 3992797 (;O/ \/ \O;) Looks like a networking issue... I'll get back to when more details are available... Thanks for the heads up. .. It may be tomorrow AM Pacific time before the folks at the ISC NOC can resolve this issue. Thanks for your patience. Problem resolved around 6:10 AM Pacific. A typo in the (ISC) router took away our default route. Murphys law is alive and well! Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX a...@logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris 2009.06, based on build 108 is now available
OpenSolaris 2009.06 preview, based on build 108, is now available from Genunix.Org. Regards, -- Al Hopper ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] osol-0906-106a available
osol-0906, based on build 106a, is available on genunix.org. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX a...@logical-approach.com Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] genunix.org experiencing tech difficulties
Please bear with us as we find/fix the hardware issues currently causing constipation at www.genunix.org. Wiki users - don't worry - we have current backups. But please allow at least 12 hours for the site to be restored to normal operation. I guess our uptime record of 1267 days had to end at some point in time :) Sorry - no unusual images to display like they do at twitter.com etc under these circumstances :) On the other hand, we have twitter.com beaten in terms of reliability/uptime. Thanks for your patience... PS: belenix.org runs on genunix.org infrastructure but is running on other hardware and is unaffected by this outage. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] openOffice 3.0.0 downloads
The *Solaris flavors of OpenOffice 3.0.0 are now available on http://www.genunix.org Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris osol-0811-96
On Mon, Sep 8, 2008 at 2:25 AM, Thommy M. Malmström [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dan Maslowski wrote: OpenSolars 2008.11 is the follow on to OpenSolaris 2008.05. The contents, well, that is still being worked... Dan http://blogs.sun.com/danmas http://blogs.sun.com/storage Well, that I know, but that was not what was announced. As it's not November yet, there can be no 2008.11 version yet, or? So, is 0811-96 the working copy of what will become 2008.11 (probably based on nv_b96)? Yes. I've updated Genunix based on your feedback and tried to make it a bit clearer. Let me know if you still think its confusing. You've welcome to send me priave email. And, if so, what differs from SXCE-b96??? Thommy M. wrote: Al Hopper wrote: OpenSolaris osol-0811-96 ISO images are available at http://genunix.org Pardon me for a stupid question, but where can I read up on what osol-0811 is and how it compares to opensolaris 2008.05 ??? ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- /\ Join the ASCII| Thommy M. Malmström Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris osol-0811-96
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenSolaris osol-0811-96 ISO images are available at http://genunix.org I have no idea where to post this .. but here, for people in China or the far East where bandwidth can be a major drag : http://blastwave.unix-center.net/OpenSolaris/update/ Dennis Clarke Excellent! Thanks Dennis. Happy Friday! :) Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris osol-0811-96
On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 12:10 AM, Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OpenSolaris osol-0811-96 ISO images are available at http://genunix.org I have no idea where to post this .. but here, for people in China or the far East where bandwidth can be a major drag : http://blastwave.unix-center.net/OpenSolaris/update/ Dennis Clarke Excellent! Thanks Dennis. Happy Friday! :) hey .. can you update the links on the side of the genunix.org homepage. I think that SchilliX and OpenSolaris are newer now. SchilliX is still at 0.6.7 OpenSolaris - the latest release is still 2008.05 - the next release will be 2008.11. And Belenix is still at 0.7.1 - which is extremely popular. This issue with OpenSolaris is: what do you refer to as a release? The project goal has already stated that it'll deliver two releases per year; or, more correctly, one release every 6 months. So that's what I'm showing on the main page. Altough I agree that it could be a source for confusion for the casual/newbie OpenSolaris participant. BeleniX is .. maybe .. not sure .. cooking a new rev shortly. Which is amazing because it is cool as hell now. Dennis Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OpenSolaris osol-0811-96
OpenSolaris osol-0811-96 ISO images are available at http://genunix.org Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Fwd: [osol-announce] http://pkg.opensolaris.org/ package repository update (build 95)
-- Forwarded message -- From: Al Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 10:24 PM Subject: Re: [osol-announce] http://pkg.opensolaris.org/ package repository update (build 95) To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Thu, Aug 14, 2008 at 11:12 AM, Alan Steinberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The OpenSolaris development package repository http://pkg.opensolaris.org/ has been updated to reflect the changes in snv_95 including major fixes to the Caiman Slim Install and the Image Packaging System (IPS). Users who wish to update their system to the development build can do so using the image-update facility provided by the pkg(1) command. For important information about image-update, see the instructions at http://opensolaris.org/os/project/indiana/resources/rn3/image-update/ IMPORTANT NOTE: The development builds have undergone limited testing and users should expect to uncover issues as the next release is developed. ISO images are being made available for this build via BitTorrent. ... snip ... And also available via http from http://genunix.org Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] sxce b95 download sucks
On Fri, Aug 8, 2008 at 11:41 AM, Derek Cicero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Paul Durrant wrote: Derek Cicero wrote: I thought that they were simply going to reload the files. I'm not sure what the delay is. I've asked again. The multi-frag DVD download seems to be ok now. The single frag DVD starts to download ok, but the size of the image still looks wrong. I just got mail that it's fixed, but when I tested the single image DVD it's only 430 MB, so that's not right. The CD and DVD (2) are confirmed working (correct files sizes) for now. Sorry for all the inconvenience. Thanks for following up on this Derek. -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] genunix.org Top Level Domain records
Sometime yesterday the top level domain record for the Genunix.Org domain was altered to point to the blastwave.org nameservers. Of course the blastwave.org nameservers contain useless data - so, effectively, the genunix.org name, and the resources it points to, have been effectively sabotaged. As a workaround, I've implemented the backup plan - and made the DNS data for genunix.org available on a domain called genunix2.org. Please update any links that point to genunix.org to genunix2.org ASAP. I'll let whoever made those changes apologize to the user community for the inconvenience and disruption these changes have caused the OpenSolaris user communities. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:29 PM, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ian Collins wrote: Matthew Snyder wrote: A little off topic, but I figure you guys use the site and I see Dennis around here often, so.. Anyone know whats up with blastwave.org? the notice sounds legal; probably means no official updates right now. Anyone know anything? I hope all is ok DC genunix.org has gone down with it. Not good. I thought genunix.org was independent of Blastwave; the mails on the subject form May/June '05 indicate that it is. I know Logical Approach Yes it is independent of Blastwave and always has been. supplied some of the hardware and Al Hopper was involved in commissioning the site. Correct (again) and you can read my (long!) blogs here: http://sol10frominnerspace.blogspot.com/2005/06/genunixorg-is-alive.html http://sol10frominnerspace.blogspot.com/2005/06/how-genunixorg-got-started-part-2-of-2.html Maybe it's a problem with the domain ownership? While we were having a discussion on what the facility might be called, someone suggested genunix, and Dennis went ahead and registered the domain name at that time, on his own initiative. At this time, all genunix.org resources are available at genunix2.org (note the 2). Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Chris Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Chris Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ian Collins [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://204.152.191.100/ The wiki's gone :( It's still there: http://204.152.191.100/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Now available at: http://genunix2.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Also from the main page, now at: genunix2.org (note the 2) Now the question is: how to suck the content out... Anybody want to write a crawler pronto? or even get a sql dump? somehow? No need to panic. The site is not changing. The only issue is that the top level domain record now points to the wrong name-servers (ns?.blastwave.org). -- Chris Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell 818.943.1850 -- Chris Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] cell 818.943.1850 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 2:53 PM, Stephen Lau [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Al Hopper wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 9:28 PM, Chris Mahan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:27 PM, Chris Mahan[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:22 PM, Ian Collins[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://204.152.191.100/ The wiki's gone :( It's still there: http://204.152.191.100/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Now available at: http://genunix2.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page Also from the main page, now at: genunix2.org (note the 2) Now the question is: how to suck the content out... Anybody want to write a crawler pronto? or even get a sql dump? somehow? No need to panic. The site is not changing. The only issue is that the top level domain record now points to the wrong name-servers (ns?.blastwave.org). Dennis, Since you registered the domain name - would you be so kind as to update the domain record to point to the original name servers? (Alternatively, assuming you run the ns?.blastwave.org servers, could you just update those to point to 204.152.191.100?) Al? Do you happen to have that name server information handy? Can you update the genunix.org DNS NS (Name Server) records to point to: ns0.genunix.org 63.219.151.3 ns1.genunix.org 205.234.154.1 ns2.genunix.org 66.117.40.198 ns3.genunix.org 216.129.109.1 ns4.genunix.org 205.234.170.165 rather than ns1 and ns2 (.blastwave.org) cheers, steve -- stephen lau | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | www.whacked.net -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] blastwave.org - any info?
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 3:00 PM, Chris Mahan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 12:43 PM, Al Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: No need to panic. The site is not changing. The only issue is that the top level domain record now points to the wrong name-servers (ns?.blastwave.org). I hear you. On the other hand, a community-held recent backup would be a good thing. I already maintain backups: a) on other genunix machines on different disk drives b) at Logical c) on a well connected site provided by Joyent.com (thanks to Ben Rockwood and Joyent.com) It's called disaster recovery, and I think, in light of what's going on, it would be useful to think about that. Thanks for explaining that! :) :) But seriously, if maintaining another set of backups makes you happy, by all means feel free to do so and let me know what your ongoing backup schedule is and the reliability we can expect of your backup systems etc. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] sxce b95 download sucks
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 5:30 PM, Herschel Krustofsky [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've really been looking forward to b95, as it incorporates Firefox 3.01 (apparently better than the one from mozilla.org) as well as other fixes. I'm even hoping it installs on a laptop with ACPI rather than immediate panic. :-) Unfortunately, the b95 download is clearly broken. The 1 DVD ISO download reports 473 MB on the screen (obviously wrong), and even when you click thru to download (without SDM), you get a 404. The 2 DVD ISO download seems like it is the right size, but again you get the 404. Even when the files are in place, as mentioned above, the network performance is wretched. On 100 MB downstream connections, I've never gotten more than 400 Kb/s download usually get around 100 Kb/s. That's at best 50 % slower than most Linux distros worse, slower than downloads from Microsoft. This is from Sun, the network is the computer ! Yep - DLC sucks, always has, always will. It's broken (TM). I get the feeling that most folks inside of Sun use the internal build servers never deal with this stuff, so maybe no one is paying attention. I agree completely with Bruno, getting the distribution out there properly is a showstopper. Agreed. Its unprofessional and makes Sun look like amateur hour. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] genunix.org Top Level Domain records
On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:49 PM, Patrick Ale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 7, 2008 at 6:37 PM, Al Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'll let whoever made those changes apologize to the user community for the inconvenience and disruption these changes have caused the OpenSolaris user communities. Doesn't it have to do with the message that's readable on the blastwave site? I saw it this morning actually when trying to install CSW. I quote All websites, documents and binary software packages that bear the mark Blastwave or Blastwave(tm) are no longer available until further notice. Websites or domains include but are not limited to : blastware.net blastware.org blastware.ca blastwave.org blastwave.net blastwave.ca blastwave.biz blastwave.com blastwave.info genunix.biz genunix.com genunix.info genunix.net genunix.org genunix.us genunix.ca old-sparc.com old-sparc.net old-sparc.org oldsparc.com oldsparc.net oldsparc.org openfor.info openfor.org opn4.biz opn4.com opn4.info opn4.net opn4.org end quote. Sure it does - but that does not explain *why* the data was changed yesterday. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Performance issues ZFS / CIFS on home file server
On Thu, Jun 19, 2008 at 8:55 PM, vijay Rajah [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I disabled the CIFS server and enabled the Samba server. I don't have the performance issue anymore. :-) I know that the CIFS server is still in beta, since i'm in b86 , will upgrading to higher builds help?. Has anyone have any similar experience?. Thanks Vijay I think you should first max out the RAM on this machine as a first step in improving the performance. Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Comments on OpenSolaris or SXDE for VirtualBox Features/Usability
On Fri, May 23, 2008 at 5:25 PM, Mike Kuhnkey [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does one release make more sense than the other as a host for VirtualBox .vs. guest? Can't give you a definitive answer, in terms of your original question - but I can let you know my (personal) experiences: Goal: install/run VirtualBox in a zone on a SXDE (based on build 79b) system with the express purpose of being able to run Adobe Acrobat (latest version) and (it sucks) IE for websites that are IE specific and blind to all the usual alternatives. Accomplished: Did not manage to get it running in a zone, but, did get it running in the global zone on SXDE. How did it work out? Very well - especially after I added the VBox Guest Additions (more below). Specifics - possibly boring and possibly wrong - you be the judge! Since I started out trying to install the current VirtualBox image in a zone - I got various error messages upon startup. In particular it looked like the console would not run because I did'nt have the Qt toolkit installed. Now - before I go any further - let me describe how the target zone is setup: It is setup to share, via a lofiadm mount, my home directory on the box, which is, in fact, a ZFS filesystem. So - anything I did in the work zone, in terms of building virtualbox, was in a subdir of my home directory - which meant that it was accessibly from the global zone and the work zone (my specific terminology). After seeing the error messages, I decided to build VirtualBox from the open sauce release and followed the destructions (deliberate typos) from: http://blogs.sun.com/JoeBonasera/entry/using_the_virtualbox_hypervisor_on (see notes below for the changes that I had to make to the configure file) After successfully building the open sauce version, VirtualBox reported a run-time error associated with the kernel driver. Ultimately I gave up on trying to run it from within the work zone, switched to the global zone and followed Joe Bonasera destructions to install the kernel driver within the global zone. Then - since the Qt stuff had been build in the work zone, I did a tar of /opt/qt64 from the work zone, and untarred it in the global zone at the same place in the filesystem. (Still with me?) So - in the global zone, I followed Joes destructions to install the kernel driver (beginning with ./motd.sh) It's entirely possible/likely that you don't need to build this from source - this is just what I did (in an effort to get it to run inside a non-global zone). The initial virtual machine I loaded (using (the $30 commercial version of WinISO to produce the *.iso files from the Windows XP install disks) worked really well. With some mouse and keyboard challenges - but I was quite pleased. After downloading the VBox Guest Additions [1] the operation of the (XP) guest was really, really satisfying. Response time/performance is excellent. Highly recommended - well worth the time required to install! :) :) What an amazing piece of software. Kudos to Sun for having the insight to buy InnoTek (and kudos to the developers at InnoTek). [1] cd ~al/virtualbox/vbox wget -O out/solaris.x86/release/bin/VBoxGuestAdditions.iso \ http://virtualbox.org/download/1.6.0/VBoxGuestAdditions_1.6.0.iso [2] build notes: create the windows iso files: winiso (on laptop) Create-make iso file from CDROM compilation: master instructions: http://blogs.sun.com/JoeBonasera/entry/using_the_virtualbox_hypervisor_on changes to configure: BUILD_LIBXSLT=1 QT3DIR=/opt/qt64 /opt/qt64 running: cd /tanku/home/al/virtualbox/vbox . ./env.sh export QTDIR=/opt/qt64 export PATH=.:$QTDIR/bin:$PATH export LD_LIBRARY_PATH=.:$QTDIR/lib cd out/solaris.amd64/release/bin ./VirtualBox --- Regards, -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc,Plano,TX [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] New ZFS NAS Build, HW opinions/experiences wanted...
On Fri, 14 Mar 2008, Curt Rebelein, Junior wrote: ... snip From: ian Does the board have a 64-bit PCI-X slot? Ian It does not. I have read favorable reviews about running the AOC-SAT2-MV8 in a 32-bit slot however. I realize that I will not get maximum performance by doing this but I don't think that I have a 64-bit option due to budget constraints. I have seen people saying that this card worked in a 32-bit slot while others have said it would not. Given a chance to pick a new motherboard, I'd recommend you use a board with a 64-bit PCI-X slot. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [solarisx86] Picking a Laptop for S10/x86
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008, John D Groenveld wrote: In message [EMAIL PROTECTED], Alan Coopersmith writes: No - SXDE 1/08 was build 79b - about 3 months before build 86. (Numbered builds happen every two weeks.) On the topic of Nevadas, which cookies must I pass to cds.sun.com to download with wget(1) the latest SXCE, build 84 which went out a few moments after I copied 83a to my Jumpstart server? Oye. :) Authentication and authorization is URL based with the Solaris 10 downloads, but SXCE insists on some combination of cookies. sarcasm They (at the DLC) are doing everything possible to make it easy to download SXCE and boost OpenSolaris adoption/experimentation. Rumor has it that the next DLC initiative, to further facilitate convenient downloads, will involve the DLC shipping out a pointed stick to every possible customer, with instructions to poke out both their eyes before attempting a download! /sarcasm Moritz Willers had attempted to outwit the demented browser-only download policy of SXCE build 84 with a Perl script available from: http://wit.ch/sxce-download.pl The email announcement of the improved version is here: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2008-March/039409.html Please provide Moritz with quality feedback and help him perfect this convenience tool. Maybe, just maybe, if the clowns at the DLC figure out, that regardless of their attempts to obfuscate the download process, that there are reasonable people who can always outwit them, then they'll give up their demented plan to marginalize SXCE. And move on to something worthwhile - like total world domination! :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [qemu-discuss] Damm Small Solaris
On Sun, 24 Feb 2008, Bernd Schemmer wrote: Brian, Al Hopper, who sponsors http://www.genunix.org/, is probably very open to hosting your distro, since he currently hosts or mirrors Nexenta, Bellenix, Schillix, and Indiana. It's not my distro - it's from a Alexander Eremin. I'll add him to the list recipients of this email. Thanks Bernd and Brian. I've got a copy of the iso and usb images available for download at Genunix.Org (see the front page). However, I believe that Sun may have copyright issues with the name of this distribution. In the meantime I'll get in touch with Alexander R. Eremin directly and get more information about the software. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] SXDE php/mysql Incompatibility
On Fri, 22 Feb 2008, Christopher Gibbs wrote:
Anyone?
http://dev.mysql.com/doc/refman/5.0/en/old-client.html
On 2/21/08, Christopher Gibbs [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hello all,
Has anybody else had problems connecting to mysql from php using the
unmodified web stack that comes with SXDE 1/08?
If you are using the mysql 5 service (the default mysql SMF service)
you have to use the /usr/mysql/5.0/bin/mysql binary to connect to it.
If you try to use the /usr/sfw/bin/mysql binary you get the following
error: Client does not support authentication protocol requested by
server;
That's all well and fine but the problem is that the pre-compiled php
module for the apache22 service is somehow using an older connection
client and returns the same error when trying to connect to the local
mysql. Here's my test:
?php
mysql_connect('localhost','testuser','testpass');
?
And here's what is returned to the browser:
Warning: mysql_connect() [function.mysql-connect]: Client does not
support authentication protocol requested by server; consider
upgrading MySQL client in /var/apache2/2.2/htdocs/mysqltest.php on
line 3
Am I missing something?
--
Chris
Regards,
Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: [osol-discuss] Any interest in a Solaris 10 / OpenSolaris Industrial PC
Yes - this would be a great box for a low power webserver, DNS server, low vol mailserver, firewall etc. Very useful. My only disappointment is with the IDE disk interface - would have preferred SATA and the addition of 1, or more, eSATA ports. PS: How deep is the unit? IOW, can you mount 2 of them back-to-back in a typical (deep) 1U cabinet? Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Any interest in a Solaris 10 / OpenSolaris Industrial PC
On Mon, 11 Feb 2008, David Clack wrote: Hi, So I checked with have sata on the MB just not the headers. I took about six weeks to create this motherboard. Give me your requirements for the system and I'll see what we can build. BTW no sound chip on this system. Hi David, I have to give you credit for creating a new product category for Sun. Even if the Rev 1.x does not satisfy every need - its a very welcome first step and fills a void within the (Open)Solaris hardware ecosystem that, up to now, has not been addressed. I particularly like that you've leveraged commodity x86 hardware. The kind of compute horse-power that is available from this system has not been available from Sun - except via overpriced and cache-crippled UltraSPARC xxi (i series) processors. Only the really hard-core, die-hard SPARC zealots are going to purchase a one Operating System box based on the SPARC architecture. Anyone else, with some common sense, will go the x86 route and keep their options open to run any OS (including some less popular real-time systems) - especially any of the Linux based variants that are small footprint and low overhead. I understand (now) that you've targeted SSDs rather than conventional hard disks. While that is a worthy long-term goal, today the price/capacity/performance for SSD is prohibitively expensive and this may not change until year end (or possibly 2009). In the meantime, this low-power platform, with a high capacity SATA or SAS disk, could form a node in a distributed storage system - where the ultimate performance from an individual node is not so important (because its likely to be (net) bandwidth limited) - but capacity and I/O Ops/Sec (IOPS) are important. The ultimate/ideal system would accomodate either a SAS or SATA disk drive(s). This allows the user to decide if this node is a low-traffic (low IOPS) storage server where storage capicity trumps all or if this is a high transaction (high IOPS) type storage node where the ability to produce I/O based on many (concurrent) requests is more important. I have to give you ultimate kudos for going to the OpenSolaris lists with the prototype - rather than the usual Sun behavior: here it is; you did'nt know it was coming and you did'nt get a vote on what it is or how its configured; maybe it'll work for you. Perhaps there is room for 2 or 3 models based on the same underlying technology. One optimized for low storage with an SSD (DNS server, mailserver, commodity webserver) and one optimized for more storage capacity (2 high capacity SATA drives) and a 3rd model that comes with an integrated SAS controller which would allow use of SATA or SAS disk drives where SAS == high IOPS. I believe that your overall concept is very sound - low power, small footprint, OpenSolaris compatible, backed by Sun. What a *welcome* change this makes from previous Sun behavior. Keep up the Good Work! :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] on/downloads/current/ restored
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Derek Cicero wrote: It looks like: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ Not yet! Take a look at some of the files in downloads/current/. They use a naming convention that includes the date in a format like mmdd - even in the title: ON (OS/Net) Consolidation - 20080129. Also, take a look at some of the filenames, for example, on-changelog-20071001.html which includes the mmdd component. And BTW, the directory current does not point to the latest available release. Now the site has been reloaded with a structure that existed earlier (around b62 IIRC). For example, in directory b82 the title is now: ON (OS/Net) Consolidation - b82 and the files don't use a mmdd component, instead they use the consolidation b number. For example: on-changelog-b82.html. I don't think it matters which filenaming convention you follow, but I would like it to remain *constant* over time. Hmm.. the bnn format looks a little cleaner IMHO. Has been restored, but I am still waiting for official notification that it's completely in sync. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] on/downloads/current/ is missing
On Tue, 5 Feb 2008, Joerg Schilling wrote: Derek Cicero [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This link: http://dlc.sun.com/osol/on/downloads/current/ seems to have disappeared since the dlc came back up. We're looking into it. We now have the state from December 4th. Do you know where to get the last two months from? We've got the 2008/01/29 files here: http://www.genunix.org/mirror/index.html Also the latest/greatest ShilliX and NexentaCP. Question: Anyone got a copy of in-test-199.iso that I can mirror on genunix.org? [the in-test-199.iso.torrent link is MIA and I'd rather just get a copy of the iso file than mess with bittorrent] PS: dlc.sun.com appears to have lost a tonne [1] of data and links etc. I would suggest that Sun put a Site under maintenance notice up until the site is fixed. [1] metric ton Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] Test image for Preview 2
On Thu, 31 Jan 2008, Stephen Hahn wrote: If you're watching any of the project aliases, you'll have seen a flurry of bugfixes go by in the past week or two. The various project teams have been making the various, coordinated corrections needed to assemble a second preview release of Indiana. We're still squishing bugs, but we'd like to get a wider range of exposure testing than happened for the initial preview. Accordingly, a testing ISO image is available via BitTorrent through http://dlc.sun.com/osol/indiana/downloads/current/in-test-199.iso.torrent ... snip Now available at http://www.genunix.org Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Test image for Preview 2 (fwd)
... snip ... http://dlc.sun.com/osol/indiana/downloads/current/in-test-199.iso.torrent ... snip Now available at http://www.genunix.org Clarification: the ISO image is available at http://www.genunix.org Regards, Al ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] SchilliX 0.6 and NexentaCP 1.0RC2 on genunix.org
Ref: www.genunix.org We have the latest/greatest SchilliX, along with NexentaCP and the Nexenta APT package repository (updated every 4 hours) available at Genunix.org. Let the downloads commence! :) Congrats to Joerg Schilling and Team Nexenta. Happy Friday! Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions
On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Mark J Musante [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, 19 Dec 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: If integration only works with help from Sun employees and if Sun employees do not help, star integration will never be able to happen. This is akin to saying If I never get in my car, and I never turn the key, then the car will never start. It's a true statement, but ultimately meaningless. You are trying to rewrite history... Most on this list are not interested in history. We're interested in making OpenSolaris the best OS on the planet. History lessons are not relevant towards meeting those goals. The star integration project started in August 2002. This is not history; in internet time, this is simply *ancient* history and is of no interest to me (or most others on the OpenSolaris project). I'm interested in today and yesterday, and possibly last month I'm not even very interested in build 52 and I'm about to upgrade a machine running build 68. It was originally a rmt replacement project because Sun urgently needs a better, more secure and more interoperable rmt server. Later it was enhanced to also add star to Solaris. If you see a sense of urgency, when are you going to actually *do* something about it? It is really stange to see that some people from Sun like to ignore facts. Facts from 2002 are ancient history. You may as well bring up the Battle of Hastings in 1066. Both are irrelevant to OpenSolaris today. It is Sun that is interested in the integration but it also Sun that tries to prevent it now. I am prepared but there is some work I cannot do. Again - you keep making accusations and you have yet to request a sponsor to begin the actual integration. Stop foisting FUD on the OpenSolaris project with these unfounded accusations. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As long as it it impossible to implement the arc decisions in OpenSolaris, OpenSolaris cannot evolve. ARC does not decide as much as approves, approves w/ TCRs or denies. But projects approved by the ARC are often implemented so to claim that that is impossible is ludicrous. But they are implemented by their stakeholders. And sometimes stakeholders leave and projects wither away. You have to verify that the way it is currently handled actually works. My impression is that it is either impossible to integrate stuff at all or that some people inside Sun boycott the integration of star. If you would ask me now, I could only say it does not work. We have not seen a request-sponsor request from you for the integration of star nor have we seen any other attempt to do so. YOU will have to do the work to integrate star. *ALL* the work; you will need to get to a point that you can type putback or whatever the equivalent is for the consolidation you want to put it in then solicit input for code reviews etc. Possibly revisit the ARC case and see whether it needs updating (this is likely a minor matter, but when ARC cases are so old, they likely need a few touchups). Since I have seen none of those things coming from you, I'd say that the star integration ball is firmly in your court and you need to pick it up and run with it. You have mentioned star integration many times and we tell you the exact same thing every time. So let me ask you a question: What is it that you expect Sun to do first? Followup: Question for Joerg: If I (personally) come up with a nice command line utility the others find useful and decide to have it integrated into OpenSolaris as star and go through the integration/ARC process, just as Roland Mainz did for ksh93 - is there anything to stop me from having *my* code placed in /usr/bin/star? I don't think so. If you want to get your star integrated into /usr/bin/star before me (or anyone else) you best get your ask in gear. The time you're spending on this useless thread could be better spent in getting your star integrated into OpenSolaris IMHO. Joerg: Start your star integration effort today - lest someone else integrates another program called 'star' into /usr/bin before you. And then we'll all have to suffer another Joerg S thread complaining about how you had star years before that other person subsumed your program name. Joerg - I've tried to make this email as blunt as possible. Stop trying to swim upstream. If you want star integrated - (per Nike) Do It Now. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [ogb-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jörg seems to want the ARC and c-teams to use a different method than they use today for deciding when some utility (or library, or whatever) name is a conflict with another existing one. I recommend that Jörg make a proposal for such a change without making such a proposal specific to his troubles with star, compare, etc... I'm not sure that we can come up with such a method that will: a) allow OpenSolaris to evolve and grow, while b) preventing any conflicts with As long as it it impossible to implement the arc decisions in OpenSolaris, OpenSolaris cannot evolve. Even a casual observer of the on-going technical behavior on opensolaris.org can clearly see the ARC decision making and implementation are alive and healthy. You have to verify that the way it is currently handled actually works. Go ahead and download Nevada Build 77 and I think you'll agree that it works! Thats all the 'verification' you need! My impression is that it is either impossible to integrate stuff at all or that some people inside Sun boycott the integration of star. If you Joerg - you're full of krap. The integration of ksh93 *proves* that integration is not only possible, but is IMPOSSIBLE to prevent. Look at the internal (within Sun) bickering that kept ksh93 from being integrated for years. And look at how much *disruption* the integration of ksh93 caused - because it touches on so many kernel related features/facilities and yet *it* *was* *successfully* *integrated* by Roland Mainz - an OpenSolaris contributor and non-Sun employee. Thus - your arguments are without merit. would ask me now, I could only say it does not work. On the contrary - ksh93 proves that it *does* *work*. Think about how to find a way to change this Why change anything? Download build 77 and type: exec ksh93 -o vi at the command line. It works. If it ain't broke - don't fix it! Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :)___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Nameclash on svn_77 because Sun is ignoring PSARC discussions
On Fri, 14 Dec 2007, Garrett D'Amore wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: Nicolas Williams [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jörg seems to want the ARC and c-teams to use a different method than they use today for deciding when some utility (or library, or whatever) name is a conflict with another existing one. I recommend that Jörg make a proposal for such a change without making such a proposal specific to his troubles with star, compare, etc... I'm not sure that we can come up with such a method that will: a) allow OpenSolaris to evolve and grow, while b) preventing any conflicts with As long as it it impossible to implement the arc decisions in OpenSolaris, OpenSolaris cannot evolve. You have to verify that the way it is currently handled actually works. My impression is that it is either impossible to integrate stuff at all or that some people inside Sun boycott the integration of star. If you would ask me now, I could only say it does not work. Think about how to find a way to change this Jorg, you are in SWAN now. You can put together a workspace, integrate star into it, send out the code reviews and ultimately submit the RTI. Until you have an RTI that is refused, or an ARC case that is rejected, I don't think it is fair to assume *anyone* is rejecting anything if you've done. But its also not fair to expect them to do this work for you. If someone else at Sun wants star badly then *they* could do the work. So, if your ARC cases have been approved, put together a workspace, and send out code reviews as the first step. Its really not that hard. I'd offer to help you with it myself, except I know nothing about the SFW consolidation, and have little interest learning it just to help you out. If however you want to integrate into ON, I can offer you some basic suggestions... but I'm still not going to do the work for you myself! I don't think anyone else will, either. As my dad always said, Actions speak louder than words. Demonstrate your commitment to getting star integrated by your deed rather than your e-mails. +1 Garrett's Dad is obviously a very smart man. And Garrett seems to have learned from his Dad very well. He (Garrett) is a very successful contributor to ON and a (successful) role model that we would do well to emulate. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :)___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Intel GB NICs (82573 PCI-E) not working
On Fri, 7 Dec 2007, Robin Bowes wrote: Jürgen Keil wrote: Did you try ifconfig -a plumb ? With Solaris, network interfaces are not shown until you plumb them... Jürgen, Thanks for the reply. Yes, I tried ifconfig -a plumb. It didn't change anything; I still just see the two lo0 devices (IPv4 IPv6) prtconf -pv shows two Ethernet controllers: 'pci8086,108c' ... vendor-id: 8086 device-id: 108c Seem to be known, at least with ~ snv_80: % grep e1000g /etc/driver_aliases ... e1000g pci8086,108c ... 'pci8086,109a' ... vendor-id: 8086 device-id: 109a The second one appears to be known, too: % grep e1000g /etc/driver_aliases ... e1000g pci8086,109a ... Yes, both devices are in there. But the driver is not loaded. I'm at a lost to understand why. I've also got a Supermicro PCI-X 8-port SATA card plugged in (SAT2-AOC-MV8) with 8 drives connected. None of those devices are visible to the O/S either. I don't know if this is related, or just coincidental. sigh Why is nothing ever easy!!! I'm thinking you may have a bad motherboard Re-evaluate your Electrostatic Discharge (ESD) protection procedures before you work on the 2nd motherboard. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :)___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Shawn Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It is obvious that if Sun calls a distro OpenSolaris, many people believe that this is the one and only. I don't believe that for a moment. Going to ubuntu.com only lets me download Ubuntu easily; but there are links that go off to other places where you can get Kubuntu, Edubuntu, etc. Many people do know that other flavours of Ubuntu exist. With current OpenSolaris distros, we have much more variance in the feeling than with different ubuntu variants. Agreed. That's why its easy to image, down the road, variants of Indiana such as (for example): OpenSolaris Indiana OpenSolaris Indiana TestDrive OpenSolaris Indiana Desktop OpenSolaris Indiana Server OpenSolaris Indiana Workstation in the same way we see (today): Ubuntu Desktop Edition Ubuntu Server Edition with room to grow in any direction in the (near-term/far-term) future. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name
ways over a year ago. This isn't about anyone's pet project getting top billing; this is about growing up and meeting the needs of our users instead of bickering about who's feelings are going to be hurt. +1 Stop focusing on yourselves; focus on the users. We need to do what's best for the community, not our egos. +1 Let's come up with a policy that we can live with and let Indiana move forward. Let OpenSolaris move forward. I'm sorry that we all can't own valuable trademarks and land our private 767s in our back yard - but we can help make OpenSolaris (and its derivitives) the best OS on the planet and we *will* have to make compromises and sacrefices to make this happen. Thanks Shawn for your honest, matter-of-fact discussion efforts. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: Al Hopper wrote: And I've been in favor of this project (after I recovered from the initial shock of Ian Murdock being hired by Sun) - because it means that people are putting money and talented developer manhours into making OpenSolaris even better. We (as in the community) are getting a new installer, a new packaging/distribution mechanism and an improved patching mechanism - and thats just for starters. Who is *not* in favor of that. How unfair is that!? Are you kidding - this is *great* for OpenSolaris (the Project) and I don't care who thinks its unfair that Sun owns the OpenSolaris trademark and wants to associate some flavor of that name to describe a resulting distribution which they have largely sponsored. I don't want to rain on your parade, but all those things you mentioned would have happened even if Indiana hadn't come along. Granted, they've probably happened a little faster, but they are all areas that were already being worked on. Yes - I understand that. Someone at the Summit said that the new installer has been a work-in-progress for about 2 years (not sure how accurate that number is). And I understand that Indiana is acting as a catalyst and focusing the various development teams on a common completion timeline. This will have a large and very positive impact on the end user experience! Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Brian Gupta wrote: snip . anything, other than vote with our feet? (Shawn, I hope you have a really good answer, because you seem to be speaking for Sun marketing now, and there are many people who are very upset about this, both within and outside of Sun.) Shawn speaking for Sun marketing? I don't think so! I have'nt even seen him use the dreaded marketing speak with phrases like value proposition or proposing entire product line renaming (sorry - that's re-branding) - just to keep the customers guessing when they try to place an order! :) But we'll keep an eye on him and immediately have him disinfected if we notice any danger signs! :) snip ... PS: Thank you Sara D for tolerating my bizarre sense of humor! :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Alan Burlison wrote: Al Hopper wrote: I don't want to rain on your parade, but all those things you mentioned would have happened even if Indiana hadn't come along. Granted, they've probably happened a little faster, but they are all areas that were already being worked on. Yes - I understand that. Someone at the Summit said that the new installer has been a work-in-progress for about 2 years (not sure how accurate that number is). And I understand that Indiana is acting as a catalyst and focusing the various development teams on a common completion timeline. This will have a large and very positive impact on the end user experience! You original post implied to me at least that Indiana was the progenitor of those features. Over the last 6 months or so there has been a tendency to rewrite opensolaris history to suit whatever is soup de jour. I think it is important that we keep clear about what happened, when and why. Agreed 100% Alan and thanks for calling me on it. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [trademark-policy-dev] [indiana-discuss] [advocacy-discuss] Project Indiana and the OpenSolaris name
On Wed, 31 Oct 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: James Carlson wrote: Jim Grisanzio writes: Joerg Schilling wrote: I have no problem if Sun would start to publish something called: Sun OpenSolaris Why would Sun OpenSolaris make sense? Actually, that expression has been used (incorrectly) in the media, and it's only added to the confusion. Also, isn't it a benefit for the distros to share in the use of the brand? I think it makes a lot of sense, by analogy to Linux. You can't install Linux -- without getting an immediate which one? question. You see this as a feature? Spend any time trying to build products for or around Linux, and you'll quickly start to see it as a bug. Solaris is a UNIX(tm) system. Solaris is Solaris which is UNIX(tm). If you want UNIX then you can go looking for AIX or HPUX or SCO(?) or Solaris. I was always under the impression that OpenSolaris was the community project that worked with and dealt with the source code to Solaris. Its confusing to everyone .. sales people, engineers, people on the street and people I talk to on the phone and even me. So why not just create something that runs and call it OpenSolaris and then we are done with the confusion. There are bigger battles to fight than word games. But the problem with a one-word name like OpenSolaris is that it's not future proof. What happens when you decide, a year from now, that you want a different flavor of OpenSolaris targeted at a different end-user community or targeted at a different problem space? There is no such thing as a universal OS that is the solution to every problem space or the distribution of choice for every end-user community. In the real world, we know, intuitively, that there is no such thing as a universal screw-driver. We know that every toolbox contains many screwdrivers and we give them different broad-based names to corral them into general categories... like philips screwdriver, flat-blade screwdriver.. blah, blah. And we can see other existing OS naming conventions that work in the real world (like I wrote earlier): Ubuntu Desktop Edition Ubuntu Server Edition So I would like to propose a naming convention that is future-proof, that shares a family of well known operational characteristics and that the first member of that family be known as: OpenSolaris Indiana I'll try to hash out a more complete proposal tomorrow and post it on tm-policy-dev Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ Graduate from sugar-coating school? Sorry - I never attended! :) ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Planning a system configuration for OpenSolaris
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Mike Ramsey wrote: Al, After doing some more research, I think that I need the LSI SAS3041[b]E[/b]-R (as opposed to the LSI SAS3041[b]X[/b]-R). The LSI SAS3041E-R lists a driver for both Solaris x86 and Solaris SPARC while the LSI SAS3041X-R lists a driver only for Solaris SPARC. The E is PCI-Express and the R is PCI-X. They are both based on the same underlying chipsets. Check with their tech support to verify that I'm correct. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Planning a system configuration for OpenSolaris
On Mon, 22 Oct 2007, Mike Ramsey wrote: And I think I am getting the hang of this whole SATA thing. I now plan to drop the IDE drive in favor of a SATA drive. Excellent. I think the only hold-out for the ATA bus are CDROM and DVD drives - although there are drives available with SATA connections. Your motherboard has SATA connections and you can use SATA or SAS drives with the LsiLogic controller. Going with SATA will allow you to buy a 2nd (matching) SATA drive down the road and use ZFS to make a mirror of the two. Feel free to take the conversation offlist if you like. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Planning a system configuration for OpenSolaris
On Tue, 23 Oct 2007, Mike Ramsey wrote: Al, That looks right. I have sent an e-mail to LSI's site admin noting that: 1. The Solaris/x86 driver description mentions support for LSI SAS3041X-R but not LSI SAS3041E-R 2. Driver support for Solaris/x86 is listed under LSI SAS3041E-R but not under LSI SAS3041X-R Sounds like a website malfunction. :) [ reformatted ... ] For a single drive, would PCI-E have any advantage over PCI-X? As the number of drives went up I can see PCI-E pulling away with the lead. Agreed - little difference with only one drive (lower latency for PCI-E - but we're pulling at straws). The advantage of PCI-E is that its a more future-proof purchase. As technology progresses, the number of regular PCI bus slots on a motherboard with continue to dwindle. And there are precious few, single CPU slot (what we consider as desktop) motherboards, with 64-bit PCI-X slots. But... since you can now put a 4-core CPU and 8Gb of RAM in that desktop single CPU socket motherboard, its common sense that regular 33MHz PCI slots are becoming next to useless in terms of feeding CPUs that have gigabyte/Sec demands for code and data. Case in point - look at Suns new Ultra 24 Workstation at: http://www.sun.com/desktop/workstation/ultra24/specs.xml --Thanks again for your help, --Mike Jr (1) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Planning a system configuration for OpenSolaris
On Sun, 21 Oct 2007, Mike Ramsey wrote: I am thinking about putting the following system together to run OpenSolaris. Before I spend the money, can anybody see an obvious flaw that would prevent OpenSolaris from booting up and running? My internet connection will be through Comcast cable via a LinkSys cable modem and router (wired; not wireless). I plan on hooking up my mouse, keyboard, and display from my current WindowsXp system. BTW, looks like my ballpark price will be around $1,900 (USA). --Thanks, MikeJr1 [Hardware_Type ManufacturerModel Price Website] CPU Intel Core™2 Duo Processor E6750 $316 http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/B000GGU09O/ref=nosim/6684177-20 Memory Kingston2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory $71.99 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820134488ATT=20-134-488CMP=OTC-C173Tcm_mmc=OTC-C173T-_-Memory+(Desktop+Memory)-_-Kingston+Technology-_-20134488 Motherboard MSI Computer Corp. P35 PLATINUM$160 http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=P35_Platinumclass=mb click “Buy Now” to get price list SCSI Adaptor (U160) Tekram DC-390U3W $150 http://www.zoomtek.com/product_info.php?products_id=6080 Hard-Drive 1 (scsi) Seagate ST373455LC $190 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148280ATT=22-148-280CMP=OTC-C173Tcm_mmc=OTC-C173T-_-Hard+Drives-_-Seagate-_-22148280 Comments on the above two items: Tekram DC-390U3W and Seagate ST373455LC. Consider, instead, a low-cost SAS controller, like the LsiLogic LSI SAS3041X-R Kit (there is also a PCI express version which would make more sense) with 4 internal SAS/SATA ports. See http://www.zipzoomfly.com/jsp/ProductDetail.jsp?ProductCode=10006132prodlist=pricegrabber An equivalent SAS 15k RPM 73Gb disk is approx $190 with just a quick look on newegg.com (select disk drives, SAS drives). Ref Fujitsu MAX3073RC. Remember, conventional SCSI is dead. It just won't lay down and stay quiet! :) The primary reason being that SCSI commands are sent over the SCSI bus 8-bits wide at 5 Mbit/Sec. You simply can't pass enough SCSI commands over any SCSI bus to busy out a modern SCSI disk drive. SAS, on the other hand, does not suffer this deficiency - and allows data and commands to traverse the SAS point-to-point links at full speed. Better options - more expensive: Consider an LsiLogic SAS controller with 4 internal ports and a 4-port external connector. Why? Because it'll allow you to attach an external SAS JBOD enclosure down the road. Remember that Sun is coming out with 1U and 2U SAS JBOD enclosures next year and ZFS is your friend. An interesting article comparing 10k drives with 15k drives: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/10/sas_hard_drives/ Hard-Drive 2 (ATA/100) SeagateSTM3160212A $103 http://www.newegg.com/ProductSort/Brand.asp?N=50001305Brand=1305 Why not get a 2nd SAS drive and be ready for ZFS boot. If you want ZFS boot today, you can use my quick guide at: http://sol10frominnerspace.blogspot.com/2007/09/setup-zfs-boot-for-build-72.html Also - you'll still have two more ports on that 4-port SAS controller. So a couple of reasonably priced 500Gb SATA disk drives and ZFS will give you 500Gbs of mirrored storage in the same box. CD/DVD DrivePlextor PX-716A/SW $140 http://www.plextor.com/english/products/store/store.htm Graphics Card NVIDIA Quadro FX 560 $268 http://www.antonline.com/p_VCQFX560-PCIE-PB-NX_227811.htm Or a non Quadro, Nvidia card will work just fine. See: http://www.tomshardware.com/2007/10/01/the_best_gaming_graphics_cards_for_the_money/ Power SupplyCorsair HX620W Modular Power Supply $190 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16817139002ATT=17-139-002CMP=OTC-d3alt1mecm_mmc=OTC-d3alt1me-_-Power+Supplies-_-Corsair+Memory++Inc.-_-17139002 Cooler ZEROtherm BTF95 $150 http://www.ncix.com/products/index.php?sku=25508vpn=BTF95manufacture=Zerotherm Case (incl/ 4 fans) LianLI PC-65B $150 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682040 Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Memory requirements to install Solaris
On Sun, 26 Aug 2007, Dev Mazumdar wrote: Oh C'mon. 512Mb is not enough to run Windoze XP reasonably - even if you can actually install it. With 1Gb memory DIMMs around $50 (or less), expecting to run a state-of-the-art OS in 512Mb is absolutely unacceptable. If you're serious about (Open)Solaris, then you're serious about your hardware. PS: Take a quick look at these two cost effective systems, each with 4Gb of RAM built by Bob Palowoda at: http://www.fiver.net/misc/solarisamdbox.html Al, This is a laptop with 512MB RAM. The base laptop has 256M and I've populated the extra slot with another 256M so no, there's no more expansion slots available. Hi Dev (aka Mr. OpenSound)! Yep - I see your point. A state of the art OS shouldn't be this bloated. I don't think One of the reasons is backwards compatibility and the stability guarantees that come standard with Solaris. With the current EOL policies - it can take (up to) 2 years to get rid of a package/file/binary (or whatever). There are both upsides and downsides to this policy. Current case in point: ksh93 will ship as /usr/bin/ksh93 when it ships in Solaris. Along with the standard Sun ksh88 as /usr/bin/ksh. Bloat? yes. User compatibility/stability? yes. So when you say A state of the art OS shouldn't be this bloated, I can agree in principle - but the tradeoffs are not that simple. Perhaps project Indiana will provide the mechanism to allow a distribution to ship with minimum bloat but with a compromised stability/compatibility set of guarantees along with an EOL policy that can operate inside a 6 month window. Solaris needs more than 256MB of RAM to run satisfactorily. I've got Solaris 10 FCS running on a 256MB machine. It's the installer that is busted. OK - I understand your point. I think that the installer issue has already been addressed by the Caiman installer team and that they are working on b70b which will ship as SXDE in the next couple of weeks (?? just my guess as regards timing). But you'd have to check with the Caiman team to see if the installer/512Mb-memory bugfix made the SXDE cutoff. PS: Congrats on the opensourcing of OpenSound. A valuable and significant addition to Unix for which the FOSS user community is in your debt. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] back to windows share -possible automated?
certain exceptions from the original standard to allow filenames to begin with a period and such things. Nevertheless, with star (then backing up the tar file) you might be best served, in terms of potential data loss (file names and or file types). %m ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Memory requirements to install Solaris
On Sat, 25 Aug 2007, Dev Mazumdar wrote: On 8/25/07, Dev Mazumdar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have a laptop with 512MB RAM and even Windows Vista happily installs on this however Solaris won't saying that it needs 768M to install Developer Express. I even tried installling Solaris Express and it hangs trying to load up Java. Is there any way to get Solaris on this machine? have you tried the text based install? nacho ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org Yes I've tried text based install. I verified that 512MB ram is not sufficient for B70. This memory requirement is absolutely unacceptable. Oh C'mon. 512Mb is not enough to run Windoze XP reasonably - even if you can actually install it. With 1Gb memory DIMMs around $50 (or less), expecting to run a state-of-the-art OS in 512Mb is absolutely unacceptable. If you're serious about (Open)Solaris, then you're serious about your hardware. PS: Take a quick look at these two cost effective systems, each with 4Gb of RAM built by Bob Palowoda at: http://www.fiver.net/misc/solarisamdbox.html Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] [indiana-discuss] OpenSolaris Developer Summit Oct 13 - 14
On Fri, 24 Aug 2007, Keith Bierman wrote: On Aug 23, 2007, at 12:26 PM, Kaiwai Gardiner wrote: Not to sound too stupid, but what is the purpose for the phone line in relation to the conference? Assuming that there is something other than a free for all in the meeting room(s), people who can't make the conference in person may be able to get something out of the discussion (listen only/webcast) or possibly even contribute (conference call). As long as there is sufficient cell strength or networking capability, attaching to conventional conference call services is an option (assuming adequate funding ;) that can handle either use case. No doubt pure networking solutions and other creative approaches are possible. Of course, if the entire point is to get people into the same room, then the technology is irrelevant ; Agreed. But if its a real hi-tech conference, then the organizers should drag in a temporary T3 (yes 45mBits) or, at a minimum, a dedicated 10Mb wireless link from a local WISP for the conf and setup Asterisk for VOIP and a couple of dedicated wireless routers for the conf attendees. Don't leave connectivity to chance - college campuses are notorious for lousey and vastly overloaded internet connectivity. Is it likely that there will be *any* attendees present without a laptop and expectations of decent internet connectivity? (rhetorical question) Preliminary spec for conf connectivity: 1) 45Mb T3 (landline) or 10Mb WISP connection 2) two 100Mb (minimum) wired dedicated LAN ports per seat 3) 100% switched LAN topology 4) 2 or 3 wireless routers with firewalling by MAC address 5) four 120V A/C outlets per seat 6) dedicated firewall (OpenSolaris based ?) 7) dedicated conf server (Web, NFS etc)(could also provide the firewall functionality). Gigabit connectivy (4 ports), and 500Gb+ of (ZFS) based storage. 8) VOIP asterisk server to allow for inbound conf calls 9) temp VOIP conf call provider 10) 5 or more VOIP phones for use by conf attendees 11) box of CAT5 cables and power strips 12) box with 2 or 3 DVD burners and copies of latest/greatest Sun/OpenSolaris and 3rd party distributions (on the NFS server). blank DVDs. 13) 5+ Sun Rays for use by conf attendees who don't have laptops Note: Gaming event organizers do this routinely [0] and provide power cooling, connectivity and firewalling for hundreds of physco [1] gamers for short duration gaming events. It does not have to look pretty - it just has to work well! [0] http://www.quakecon.org/images/news/wendigo_byoc_04_panorama.jpg [1] term of endearment - but also indicates a demanding and potentially agressive/abusive user of internet bandwidth. PS: Often, event organizers ask other companies to sponsor the equipment and raffle off the hardware at the conclusion of the conf. [attendees must be present on both days of the conf to be eligible for the raffle] Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot download SXCE snv_70
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Stephen Lau wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: I've fixed the link. Unfortunately there seems to be periodic bursts of SDLC b0rkiness b0rkiness ? surely you mean b0rk3d . it seems to b0rk on and off. i'm not sure as to the correct conjugation of 'b0rk', so i went with 'b0rkiness' as in 'flakiness' that causes our scripts that attempt to auto-update the sxce_dvd URLs to go haywire. I've tried to make it more robust now - hopefully it stands up better now ;-) cool thanks .. but why not just hand code in the URL and bypass the backend script altogether? because we don't want to rely on someone manually updating the URL everytime a new build is released.. Hi Steve, Is the b70 re-spin being released today? Thanks Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Cannot download SXCE snv_70
On Thu, 23 Aug 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: Is the b70 re-spin being released today? Hi Al, Sorry, I don't know. Another team takes care of the respins and posting them up to SDLC. I know that I filled in a survey that asked about both snv_70a and snv_70b so therefore anytime soon I expect that the new SXDE to be released .. soon I hope. One last (possibly silly) question. Are the following statements/assertions (approximately) correct: a) snv-b70 is being respun and will be released as b70a, aka SXCE, Real Soon Now (RSN). b) nv-b70b is being prepared for release in, roughly speaking, a 2 to 3 week timeframe and will be released as SXDE - when it's ready. Sorry to beat this horse to death - I'm just trying to make a couple of deployment decisions based on the latest/correct/best information available. And I'm not saying or implying hurry up to anyone - just trying to get the best info available. And notice that I did'nt say _anything_ about Update 4! Come in Update 4, your time is up! Whoops - well I tried not to say anything about Update 4. :) Or even mention AMD Barcelona release clock frequencies and volume shipment dates! :) All your release schedules are belong to us! And I'll accept any/all replies in private email. :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] NexentaCP Beta1-test2 (ZFS/Boot - manual partitioning support)
On Fri, 22 Jun 2007, Erast Benson wrote: New unstable ISO of NexentaCP (Core Platform) available. http://www.gnusolaris.org/unstable-iso/ncp_beta1-test2-b67_i386.iso Also available at: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/gnusolaris/index.html Changes: * ON B67 based * ZFS/Boot manual partitioning support implemented (in addition to auto-partitioning). Both, Wizard and FDisk types fully supported. * gcc/g++ now officially included on installation media * APT repository fixed * first official meta-package: nexenta-gnome After installation, those who needs GNOME environment, just type: $ sudo apt-get install nexenta-gnome Known bugs: * after fresh install APT caches needs to be re-created: $ sudo rm /var/lib/apt/* $ sudo apt-get update -- Erast Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: [zfs-discuss] Announcing NexentaCP(b65) with ZFS/Boot integrated installer
On Wed, 6 Jun 2007, Erast Benson wrote: Announcing new direction of Open Source NexentaOS development: NexentaCP (Nexenta Core Platform). NexentaCP is Dapper/LTS-based core Operating System Platform distributed as a single-CD ISO, integrates Installer/ON/NWS/Debian and provides basis for Network-type installations via main or third-party APTs (NEW). First unstable b65-based ISO with ZFS/Boot-capable installer available as usual at: http://www.gnusolaris.org/unstable-iso/ncp_beta1-test1-b65_i386.iso ... snip Now also available on www.genunix.org Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: SXCE Build 65 available
On Sat, 2 Jun 2007, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: Please find the links to SXCE Build 65 at http://www.opensolaris.org/os/downloads/on/. - Derek Wow, I am getting 525 KB/s. Sun now really means business (to spread OpenSolaris)? Oh - so you're the one sucking up *all* the bandwidth! :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Genunix.org download stats
Want to know how popular the BeleniX 0.6 distribution is? Then take a look at the download stats just published for 2007. There's a link on the main page at www.genunix.org. Again - many congratulations to Moinak Ghosh and his team. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [approach-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Simon Phipps wrote: On May 31, 2007, at 15:24, Brian Gupta wrote: One other comment. Generally, a project proposal, would be posted to the interested communities for comment, before being submitted fait acompli to the OGB. (I have cc'ed in those communities that I think, at a minimum, should be included Actually, I agree with James that the project is so far-reaching that it's a community-wide issue - I think Glynn did the right thing approaching the OGB Agreed - it's a community-wide issue. I would have preferred to have seen Glynns proposal go through some discussion and refinement via osol-discuss before being presented to the OGB. It currently feels unrefined, disorganized and very last minute in its current form (IMHO). Which is strange - since its been widely anticipated for weeks now. and osol-discuss lists, although it's good to see which lists you think are affected too. I'd like to see the OGB give positive, supportive guidance (as well as to see your proposal and Glynn's harmonised), probably by selecting or creating a community to work on the proposal you and Glynn are pioneering. Agreed. Lets see the OGB say this is how to proceed. But even if it was the wrong choice, I'm eager to have us all channel this stop energy and suspicion of Sun into something positive. For goodness sake, Sun's executives are agreeing with you and investing in the idea you were discussing! Both these project proposals are only good news for OpenSolaris. And its really exciting to see that resources are being made available from the very highest levels of Sun management. For folks on those lists Brian added that aren't on OSOL-Discuss: Glynn's proposal can be found at: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2007-May/030366.html One point I'd like to emphasize, is that if the OGB say (something like) process A has to be followed then they should ensure that the implementation resources are pre-allocated to ensure that this happens smoothly and quickly. IOW the resources to ensure that process A can be implemented and completed in a timely manner. And this would include having people with the necessary tools/training etc. be ready, willing and able to perform the necessary duties to get it done expeditiously. Then announce it. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)
On Thu, 31 May 2007, James Carlson wrote: Roy T. Fielding writes: As I said, the proposal is obviously wrong. One of these days, Sun marketing will stop trying to run this project from the peanut gallery, but that doesn't change the fact that the proposal cannot be accepted by OpenSolaris as written. On the plus side, it looks like ogb-discuss is a direct pipe to the pages of news.com.com. We could do worse. OR - we could have OGB members that think with their brains and not with their fingers (over the keyboard) and do much, much better when it comes to writing project proposals for highly visible OpenSolaris initiatives. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: [ogb-discuss] Project Proposal - (what is/was Indiana)
On Thu, 31 May 2007, Ian Murdock wrote: On 5/31/07, Al Hopper [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 31 May 2007, James Carlson wrote: Roy T. Fielding writes: As I said, the proposal is obviously wrong. One of these days, Sun marketing will stop trying to run this project from the peanut gallery, but that doesn't change the fact that the proposal cannot be accepted by OpenSolaris as written. On the plus side, it looks like ogb-discuss is a direct pipe to the pages of news.com.com. We could do worse. OR - we could have OGB members that think with their brains and not with their fingers (over the keyboard) and do much, much better when it comes to writing project proposals for highly visible OpenSolaris initiatives. Please cut us some slack. On the one hand, you want transparency. So, we're being transparent, and you're seeing what's going on in real time. We want to spin up a project so we can talk about product requirements rather than simply present them to you, which by definition means much of what's being proposed isn't fully formed, and you criticize the proposal for being vague. What if Glynn had posted a fully fleshed out PRD? Would you not be criticizing him for not getting community input? You can't have it both ways. [Hi Ian M] Re both ways: I (personally) want it one way. I want OpenSolaris to be successful. I want it to florish and be self-sustaining. I want it to be *the* model FOSS Operating System on the planet. I want it to act as a magnet and draw in other developers because of its broad accross-the-board appeal and superior technology, features, facilities, performance and (most importantly) participants. And I want to it to be seen as the FOSS project that outshines, outlives and out-everythings any/every similar effort. And from this perspective, top level Sun executives willing to commit resources to it is a very Good Thing (TM) and, project Indiana, or any other OpenSolaris based new distribution, is only Good News for OpenSolaris. And I'm very much in favor of new ideas and new perspectives - such as the Indiana initiative. This is one of the reasons I stepped aside from the OGB - I believe that for OpenSolaris to be successful we need to attract new OGB members with new ideas, new energy and new perspectives. [that has already been accomplished] But what I don't want to see is a half baked proposal presented on a public mailing list as a fait accompli signed by an OGB board member. And what I'm really miffed at is stuff like this: While many of those decisions can be made within that specific project area, based on requirements, there may be a real need for a sole arbitor, Ian Murdock Why? Because I've spent two years (along with many others) trying to persuade the masses that OpenSolaris is a community run project and not an extension of Sun Corporate. As Roy has already pointed out, there is no concept of a sole arbitor within OpenSolaris. And that concept of a sole arbitor is diametrically opposed to *everything* that FOSS is about. And OpenSolaris is a community FOSS Project - not a playground for a new, well connected, Sun employee with visibility/accountability to the highest levels of Sun executive management (meaning you of course). What I anticipated, from what I read over the last several weeks, was a technically correct and competent proposal that was compliant with all the OpenSolaris rules, best practices and implied intentions which should serve as a model for anyone else to follow (remember OGB members are role models). Instead what was presented is a political nightmare. And it succeeded only in bringing the Indiana initiative to a dead stop. Shoddy workmanship like this (proposal) will not attract developer mindshare and does not faciliate forward progress. And the ensuing political debate is a further unnecessary diversion - as expressed most elegantly by the illustrious Bryan Cantrill. With all that said, AFAIK, it's water under the bridge and now we need to look forward and move forward with the Indiana initiative as quickly as possible. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: BeleniX 0.6 Released
On Sat, 26 May 2007, ken mays wrote: I've been testing Belenix 0.6 for almost a week and I only a few things (right now) I'd like to see fixed: 1. Evince 0.4.0 - update to Evince 0.9.0 2. GIMP 2.2.10 - update to GIMP 2.3.16 3. KDE 3.5.1 - update to KDE 3.5.7 4. ksh93 features comparable to other ports The move to GIMP 2.3.16, KDE 3.5.7, and Evince 0.9.0 will be a MAJOR benefit to Belenix 0.6.1. The educational and scientific apps that come with KDE 3.5.7 will spearhead the UNIX desktop capabilities on Solaris. Reference: http://www.softpanorama.org/Articles/Linux_vs_Solaris/summing_up.shtml Thanks Ken for your time and constructive comments. Much appreciated. For anyone who has not tried Belenix ... 0.6 is *the* version to try. Its incredibly useful. Moinak - many congrats on your latest BeleniX release. You should be very proud of what you have achieved. BTW: the 0.6 iso has been an incredibly popular download on genunix.org. We were pushing 10Mb+/Sec for about 48 hours straight. And 99% of it was Belenix 0.6. I'll put up a download stats page at the end of this month. Expect to see big numbers Now to get the site better equipped to handle the 0.6.1 release... :-) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Sun to make Solaris more Linux like
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Rich Teer wrote: On Tue, 15 May 2007, Ian Murdock wrote: Oh! None taken. We clearly don't know what we're doing, and it shows. I hereby offer my services as a consultant in this process--on a fee-paying basis (I'm currently resting between gigs and could really use the cash). I'm currently the only non-Sun employee on the OGB, which presumably indicates the community has at least a modicum of confidence in my ability to represent them. ;-) Rich - please keep your sales pitch off this list. And your current work status is equally off-topic and inappropriate. As an OGB member you should be displaying a higher standard of examplary behavior. Very poor form indeed. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] BeleniX meets Indiana (Was: About Project Indiana)
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Brian Gupta wrote: Well, Belenix is a project run by a Sun employee. Do you believe it is not a Sun project? Well, the homepage is hosted by Blastwave: ^^^ No its not. See: http://sol10frominnerspace.blogspot.com/ You might reach that conclusion by looking at the DNS registration. Dennis Clark took the initiative and registered the name while the discussion took place on the mailing lists as to what we would call it. Genunix.org is a community run, independent resource, with the broad goal to further the OpenSolaris project in any way that makes sense. PS: I'll be putting more effort into this resource over the coming months. If you have any ideas on how we might make better use of this community resource, please email me directly. http://www.genunix.org/distributions/belenix_site/?q=about No mention of Sun in the about page. Personally I didn't think it was a Sun project, just as my involvement in OpenSolaris is not representative of my employer. Does it really matter. It is one of two distros that meet the needs of a community distro. Nexenta being the other. Fully OpenSource, and very feature rich. -Brian Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] NexentaOS Alpha 7 is now available
On Tue, 15 May 2007, Alex Ross wrote: http://www.gnusolaris.org/Download alternatively: http://www.genunix.org/distributions/gnusolaris/index.html PS: the VMWare image will take a while longer to mirror. Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Apr 2005 to Mar 2007 http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/ogb/ogb_2005-2007/ ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] GPL in BusinessWeek article
Heads up: http://www.businessweek.com/technology/content/apr2007/tc20070430_095211.htm Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 to Mar 2007 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: [cab-discuss] Board Election 2007/Constitution Ratification results
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Stephen Hahn wrote: Complete results posted at http://poll.opensolaris.org/2/ Summary - With respect to Question 1, the Constitution is deemed ratified and in effect, with 145 Ayes, 4 Nays, and 4 Abstaining. With 268 Core Contributors, 135 Ayes were required for an affirmative majority. Whew - as Al breathes a sign of relief! :) - With respect to Question 2, as evaluated by Meek STV, the 2007 - 2008 Governing Board, in alphabetical order, are * James D. Carlson, * Alan Coopersmith, * Casper Dik, * Glynn Foster, * Stephen Lau, * Rich Teer, and * Keith M. Wesolowski. Let me be the first to congratulate our new OGB Board members! Congratulations to you all! Many, many Thanks to all who took the time and made the effort to vote. Welcome to the next phase of OpenSolaris. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] polls are closed !
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007, Joerg Schilling wrote: Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now comes the really hard part .. the waiting ! Was somebody able to do a real OGB voting after he did finish the prevoting on March 12th? Hi Joerg, I'm confused by this email - I have no idea what you mean by prevoting. Looking at the Election Timetable [1] I don't see any reference to prevoting and the Election opened on Monday Mar 12th at 00:00 hours (Pacific). If you have any problems of any type with the OGB election - please let me know and I'll [2] work directly with you to resolve them to your complete satisfaction. [1] http://opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/OGB_Election_Status/ [2] will doubtless need Stephen Hahns help Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] polls are closed !
On Tue, 27 Mar 2007 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I did set up everything and when I connected via ssh, I did see a menu that allowed me to select between the test vote (constitutuion and the final OGB election. I selected the first and answered the question. The last question was a question for the OGB candidates which looked to me like the announced test vote and so I did reply with test data. No; the first question was the test vote and the second the real vote; I think I voted both at the same sitting. There was no test OGB vote. Casper Joerg, Unfortunately, by majority decision, the OGB has decided that your vote be treated as a spoiled ballot in this election. I understand and agree that the overlapping of the Community Priorities/Polling Test with the Board Election was the root cause for your spoiled ballot and recommend to the new OGB that no overlapping polls be conducted in the future. I sincerely apologize for this situation and I'm sure you are very disappointed because of it. In retrospect, the overlapping of the two polls was a mistake - because of the potential for confusion. Joerg - I hope that this unfortunate event won't dampen your enthusiasm for the OpenSolaris Project - you are a highly valued Core Contributor, and indeed a champion of Open Source Software in general. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [cab-discuss] Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Last Day for Nominations
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Keith M Wesolowski wrote: On Mon, Mar 05, 2007 at 10:25:28AM -0800, Alan Coopersmith wrote: In this case, I think it's still a follow-on of the poor initial setup of Communities - instead of a Xen community, we should have a Virtualization community with Xen qemu projects. Completely agree. Nothing precludes the formation of such a community today under the existing process, followed immediately by the creation of a QEMU project, endorsement, and grant of Core Contributor status by the Community's new leaders. If such events transpire, I would expect the Xen Community (acting jointly with the new Community) to petition the OGB for coalescence under an agreement specifying the leadership roles and status of contributorship grants and project endorsements under the unified Community. I would also expect that petition to incorporate a request that Xen be reclassified as a Project. It seems more likely than not that the Xen Community would not retain that status following a thorough review by the next OGB, so there is little incentive for anyone to defer cleaning this up. Keith - I like your Can Do attitude. Yes there were mistakes made, yes the OGB could have done better - but my (personal) attitude at the time was to be as inclusive as possible and to err on the side of having little or no barriers to the initial growth of the project. On the other hand, we could have formed a commission, spent a bunch of time hashing out a better Community/Project organizational tree ... and, guess what, after a year it would have needed an overhaul anyway - simply because of changes in technology and the natural evolution of OpenSolaris. Keith has the right attitude and the right solution. Treat it just like any other bug and work the *solution* going forward. In the meantime, let's do everything possible, so that potential voters and valuable contributors like Martin (Martux) Bochnig don't feel disenfranchised or poorly treated. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] OpenSolaris Conference in Germany
On Mon, 5 Mar 2007, Jim Grisanzio wrote: Al Hopper wrote: On Fri, 2 Mar 2007, Jim Grisanzio wrote: I've been here in Berlin all week at the OpenSolaris Developer Conference run by the German Unix User Group. It was an excellent event, and a first for the OpenSolaris community because Sun didn't run the show. The presentations were very good and so was the community participation. Hopefully, this will become an annual event that travels to other cities in Europe. Some pics: http://blogs.sun.com/jimgris/entry/opensolaris_in_germany Hi Jim, Is there any information to explain who the people are who are predominately featured in your pictures? While a picture is worth a 1,000 words, a picture of an OpenSolaris presenter without a name is not very useful? Hi ... It may be easier to look at the images in flickr than in my blog: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/sets/72157594565019062/ Excellent - many Thanks Jim. I got a heads up from Martin (martux) Bochnig earlier and it was great to see his photo along with others I've worked with on OpenSolaris like Roland Mainz and Moinak Ghosh. I really appreciate you efforts in taking these photos and making them available. One idea I thought about would be to use a long zoom lens and followup one picture with a close-up of the persons name badge. But then it would be more work to post edit and combine the images... Just an idea. Or even from the main page and then working backwards: http://www.flickr.com/photos/jimgris/ I put in as much info as I could remember or from stuff I wrote down (which was very little). I wanted to get the images up there as soon as I could. Things were a bit busy. I'll add stuff as I go. Also, each image has a comment field so people at the conference can fill in things that I miss. I've shot over a thousand images for OpenSolaris, and it's actually pretty time consuming at that volume, so many times I just give up on trying to figure out all the names of everyone in the crowds. I think I have most of the individuals I met from this conf, though. Hopefully, people will leave comments and I can fill in more names. Info on all the speakers is here: http://www.guug.de/veranstaltungen/osdevcon2007/abstracts.html Is there any other coverage of the Conference in Germany available? Although I was there for almost a week, I doubt my German is up to the level I'd need to find German blogs on this :) I'm sure the GUUG guys will be around, though. Jim Thanks again Jim, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] OGB March 2007 Election
Up to now, there has not been an official announcement of the OGB elections posted to os-discuss and os-announce even though some details of the election have been posted on cab-discuss (and elsewhere). However, I realize that there are many community members who are not subscribed to cab-discuss or who probably don't read the cab-discuss archives on a regular basis. So this email is on behalf of the OGB where we'd like to announce the OGB March 2007 election and provide some basic information. If you have any follow-up questions on this announcement, please post them (preferably) to cab-discuss and we'll do our best to answer them. Currently the OGB is accepting nominations for an OGB seat - there will be 7 OGB seats available and we hope to fill them all. The nomination process is simple: a) Post an email, preferably to cab-discuss, if you wish to nominate someone for the OGB election. Self nomination is OK. b) A current Core Contributor must second your nomination. Currently Stephen Hahn, acting as the Secretary of the OGB, is the keeper of the verified contributor list - which he recently published at: URL:http://poll.opensolaris.org/ (click on the tab marked Grants) c) The nominee may accept or decline nomination, up to the deadline defined as Election Voting Open on the official election calendar at: URL:http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/OGB_Election_Status/#electioncalendar The next event in the election process, is the closing of nominations on Monday March 5th at 24:00 hrs Pacific. d) The election is being held per the OpenSolaris Constitution at: URL:http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/governance/ Attention Voters: In order to vote in the OGB elections you must be a current Core Contributor. So please check your status as in section b) above. If you don't find yourself listed as a core contributor, you may seek core contributor status via the process outlined in section 7.8 of the Constitution. If you don't fit within the current Community/Project structure because, for example, you contribute to many different projects, you may seek core contributor status by requesting it of the OGB by sending an email with your list of contribution achievements to cab-discuss (please put Request to be recognized as a core contributor in the Subject field). After you've verified your member status, please read the instructions at: URL:http://www.opensolaris.org/os/project/website/poll_instructions/ and get your SSH key registered sooner, rather than later. What's coming up next 1) We'll be testing the poll/voting infrastructure, before using it for the OGB elections, with a simple test ballot structured as a poll. We've hoping to use this test/poll to acquire some feedback from the community - so please try and participate. 2) The OGB Constitution has been ratified by Sun, but has yet to be ratified by the community. So do not be surprised when you see a separate ballot item on the OGB election asking you if you wish to ratify the Constitution. We decided to combine ratification of the Constitution with the OGB election on one poll. While this may sound like a contradiction [1] it's simply not an issue. It's common to combine items on a ballot like (silly example) vote yes to allocate $10m in funding on a Route 70 off ramp at xyz with another ballot item like vote yes to build an off ramp at xyz on Route 70. 3) I'm maintaining an OGB election status page at: URL:http://www.opensolaris.org/os/community/cab/OGB_Election_Status/ If you see any errors or omissions, feel free to email me directly. Notes: [1] A community member scratches his/her head and asks: Hey we've conducting an OGB election under the terms of a Constitution which has not been (community) ratified and we're also ratifying the Constitution at the same time? How can that work? - Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Compiling fails with undefined gethostbyname errors
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007, Alan Coopersmith wrote: Frank Mash wrote: Hi all, I am trying to compile bitkeeper free client on Solaris 10. However I keep getting the following errors: bash-3.00# CC=cc bash-3.00# export CC bash-3.00# make cc -O2 -Wall -Wno-parenthesesbkf.c -o bkf cc: Warning: option -2 passed to ld cc: illegal option -Wall Those are gcc flags. Studio cc equivalents are -xO2 and -v. Undefined first referenced symbol in file gethostbyname /var/tmp//ccgyLdOf.o socket /var/tmp//ccgyLdOf.o connect /var/tmp//ccgyLdOf.o ld: fatal: Symbol referencing errors. No output written to bkf collect2: ld returned 1 exit status make: *** [bkf] Error 1 -lsocket -lnsl Followup: In general, if you've looking for a mysterious undefined symbol within Solaris, the general brute force solution is (something like [assuming ksh as your shell]): for i in /lib/*.so do /usr/ccs/bin/nm -Ag $i |grep -v UNDEF |grep gethostbyname done which yields: /lib/libnsl.so: [3121] |128512| 174|FUNC |GLOB |0|11 |_switch_gethostbyname_r /lib/libnsl.so: [2848] |110172| 44|FUNC |GLOB |0|11 |_uncached_gethostbyname_r /lib/libnsl.so: [2647] |110704| 89|FUNC |GLOB |0|11 |gethostbyname /lib/libnsl.so: [2689] |110266| 222|FUNC |GLOB |0|11 |gethostbyname_r /lib/libresolv.so: [1585] | 78996| 38|FUNC |GLOB |0|11 |res_gethostbyname /lib/libresolv.so: [1397] | 79034| 41|FUNC |GLOB |0|11 |res_gethostbyname2 /lib/libxnet.so: [79] | 0| 0|FUNC |GLOB |0|ABS |gethostbyname Note that a bunch of shared libraries have been moved to /lib in Solaris 10; for older releases you'll need to (first) concentrate your search in /usr/lib. And now I'm sure that the real linker-saavy experts are going to show us both a better way to accomplish this. But I've been doing this since I first started working with Solaris many moons ago... :) If you're really desparate - you can use a find command to search every *.so file on your system! This is the last resort[1] solution/substitute for lack of *Solaris specific knowledge. :) But also a good way to explore *Solaris shared libs. [1] I say: let the *machine* do the work! Happy Friday! Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you?
On Tue, 6 Feb 2007, Roy T. Fielding wrote: lots of wise words elided . Otherwise, stick with the CDDL. GPLv3 cannot be evaluated seriously until it is actually approved by the FSF and published in final form. Even then, dual-licensing wouldn't make any sense, but at least we'd have an idea of the actual impact of a switch from CDDL to GPLv3. Here is my opinion on dual licensing OpenSolaris and I am hopeful that we can agree between the CAB/OGB members on publishing an official/majority position (paper) on dual licensing and GPLv3 in the near future. I believe that there is little, if any, benefit to dual-licensing OpenSolaris with CDDL and the yet to be approved/upcoming GPLv3 license - aside from possible good press for the project. In addition, I believe that there are significant downsides to dual licensing, including, but not limited to, license complexity, confusion and the possibility of bad press from any exception language that such a license would inevitably require. Further, I believe that GPL* licensing OpenSolaris would be yielding to a small vocal minority of FOSS developers who use the lack of GPL licensing, purely as a means of fostering FUD towards OpenSolaris and who will, in all likelyhood, find some other workable mechanism to continue to foster FUD towards the project. I believe that there are higher priority action items to be completed in order to build developer mindshare and that this opinion is held by a large number of current OpenSolaris contributors and acts as a barrier to other potential contributors. I recommend that any option related to GPLv3 dual licensing be re-assessed no sooner than 6 months after the GPLv3 has been published and approved and that any further discussions related to it postponed until that general timeframe. In addition I believe that further discussion on GPLv3 is merely a diversion/distraction that should be discouraged, so as to allow the community to concentrate on the higher priority action items, until that timeframe. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] CAB/OGB Position Paper # 20070207
CAB/OGB Position Paper # 20070207 version 0.6 Topic: Should OpenSolaris be dual licensed via CDDL and GPLv3 Published by: OpenSolaris CAB/OGB current members: Casper Dik, Al Hopper, Roy Fielding, Simon Phipps, Rich Teer Background: Over the past week or so a heated and passionate debate has taken place on the opensolaris-discuss mailing list [1] relating to the possibility of dual-licensing OpenSolaris, and in particular with GPLv3 as the 2nd license, in addition to CDDL, under which OpenSolaris is currently licensed. The CAB/OGB (henceforth referred to as simply the OGB) has observed this discussion carefully and individual OGB members have been active participants. Now that this discussion is winding down, the OGB, as the elected representatives of the OpenSolaris project, will render an OGB statement of position and provide guidance to the community to bring closure to this discussion and to determine the communities near term future licensing direction. Discussion summaries (the pros and the cons): The Pro dual licensing community members assert that dual licensing will: - increase developer mindshare - attract active developers currently working on other FOSS projects - promote code exchange across FOSS boundries - end the constant anti-CDDL campaign waged by GPL* license proponents The Anti dual licensing community members assert that dual licensing will: - increase licensing complexity and futher complicate this already legally complex licensing landscape - lead to endless continued debates related to various what if code inclusion/exclusion scenarios - allow a one-way code fork by acquiring the OpenSolaris body of code, manipulating, removing or modifying the (eventual, but currently unknown) GPLv3 license terms in a way that prevents or impedes the changes being propagated back to OpenSolaris. - *not* entice or attract GPL* proponent FOSS developers, who want to ensure that other Operating Systems (they actively work on) flourish, to OpenSolaris. --- The OGB, having heard arguments from both sides, concludes: o Discussing GPLv3 is pre-mature as the license does not exist at this time. o That there is little, if any, benefit to dual-licensing OpenSolaris with CDDL and the yet to be approved/upcoming GPLv3 license - aside from possible short term good press for the project. o There are significant downsides to dual licensing, including, but not limited to, license complexity, confusion and the possibility of long term bad press from any exception language that such a license would inevitably require. o GPL* licensing OpenSolaris would be yielding to a small vocal minority of FOSS developers who use the lack of GPL licensing, purely as a means of fostering FUD towards OpenSolaris and who will, in all likelyhood, find some other workable mechanism to continue to foster FUD towards the project. o There are higher priority action items to be completed in order to build developer mindshare and that this opinion is held by a large number of current contributors and acts as a barrier to other potential contributors. - The OGB having carefully weighed the available options concludes and decrees that: o any option related to GPLv3 dual licensing be re-assessed no sooner than 6 months after the GPLv3 has been published and approved. o Further discussions related to any form of dual licensing be postponed until after the GPLv3 has been published and approved and should take place on the OGB discussion forum only. o Further discussion on GPL* is merely a diversion and distraction that should be discouraged, so as to allow the community to concentrate on the higher priority action items - especially those that will improve developer mindshare. --- [1] begin here - it will take approximately 5 hours to read all the related threads: http://mail.opensolaris.org/pipermail/opensolaris-discuss/2007-January/023879.html MOTION To adopt the CAB/OGB Position Paper # 20070207 version 0.6 by Al Hopper seconded by Rich Teer. Motion carried unanimously (In favor: Rich Teer, Casper Dik, Row Fielding, Al Hopper. Absent Simon Phipps). -- Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?])
On Fri, 2 Feb 2007, Stephen Harpster wrote: Who maintains the code on that CVS server? If there's a bug in virtual memory, who fixes it? The experts are here in Sun, and they will continue to work on opensolaris.org. OpenSolaris is too large and That's a dangereous assertion. What it Jeff Bezos[1] decided to spend more than the (??) $480m he spent last year on software development and made some people at Sun an offer they could not refuse. Or decided to put half of his software development $s into creating a Ubuntu like OpenSolaris alternative. Then there is Google with enough budget to put 3,000 people to work on any project they wish to... Who was it that said (something like) no one company can have all the technical talent (on staff). complex for even a small set of people to maintain an entire separate fork. Simply not true and not borne out by history. Was'nt ZFS developed by a small team. Dtrace by 3 people. BSD, before it was open sourced was a 5 or 6 person (??) team. OK, they could pull bug fixes from opensolaris.org, but what happens to them once one of their changes doesn't work with our changes? That's the biggest danger of a fork. You're constantly playing catch-up. Not true. In a race you're either leading or following. It's only wishful thinking to suggest that Sun will always be the leader (altough I'd _like to_ think it would). If someone wants to do that, they can do that now. Knock yourself out. ... snip [1] there is some evidence to suggest that he is the ultimate geek who just likes to build software systems and rockets and anything else that strikes his fancy and does not seem compelled to justify his technobudget to anyone. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: What does OpenSolaris Success look like to you? (was Re: [Fwd: Re: [osol-discuss] GPLv3?])
extinction or .. you can give us the Alpha CPU IP and the right to hire its architects. The history of those other forks has shown that, even if the original is seen as better in some respects, over the longer haul, that simply does not matter. That's what I meant by saying that I've seen this movie before. The hero dies in the end. Agreed. The history of computing is littered with the dead bodies of technically better ... everything. The only way to be the leader is to spend every waking minute of every day running like hell to stay ahead of the pack. Develope a technical magnet to attract top-tier technical talent to the Project and forget about licensing or any other quick fix panacea. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Sun to use Intel chips was Re: AMD buys ATI....
On Sun, 21 Jan 2007, W. Wayne Liauh wrote: According to the rumor mill: http://www.theinquirer.net/default.aspx?article=37089 (Major Intel, Sun deal to be announced Monday) Confirmed - but you need a subscription to read the WSJ URL below: TECHNOLOGY ALERT from The Wall Street Journal. Sunday, Jan. 21, 2007 Sun and Intel have been negotiating an agreement under which Sun would buy Intel chips for use in server systems. Such a deal would be a blow to AMD, currently Sun's exclusive supplier for chips based on the popular x86 design used in most PCs and servers, and signal renewed competitiveness for Intel's chips. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB116942865146783283.html?mod=djemalert Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Project Proposal : OpenSolaris on extended partitions
On Tue, 16 Jan 2007, Pavan Chandrashekar - Sun Microsystems wrote: snip This project is about bringing in capability in OpenSolaris to read/manipulate extended partitions. As a result you could also install and boot off from one of the logical drives. +1 for this project proposal. Pavan - I think this project will open more doors[0] for OpenSolaris - especially to someone running another OS who would like to add OpenSolaris (or an OpenSolaris derived distribution) to his/her hard disk without disrupting the other installed Operating System(s). The original proposal looks good to me. When that's integrated we can look at other opportunities to integrate the code more fully into ON. Best of luck with the project and thanks for taking it on. [0] Actually hard disk drives Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] ZFS bogarting memory
On Mon, 15 Jan 2007, Dennis Clarke wrote: Justin Gombos wrote: There is a ZFS FAQ somewhere indicating that ZFS *appears* to hog memory because it uses as much as it can, but it supposedly relinquishes memory as soon as an app calls for it. I thought that should be pointed out, though I am not quick to accept it myself. How does the kernel ask ZFS processes for more memory? ZFS uses kmem_cache_create() and friends, which is a fun little beast. It can manufacture and recycle pre-initialized bits of memory without having to do much to it. One of the arguments used in setting up a cache is a callback routine the kernel memory allocator can call when it needs subsystems to clean up and return memory to the system. In the particular case of the ZFS ARC cache, there's a hdr_cache and a buf_cache; the hdr_cache has a callback, which wakes up the ARC reclaim thread to evict unneeded allocations in several areas, not just that one cache. This has probably been asked before but is there a kernel tunable that will restrict the high water mark for ZFS cache memory? This way I could just grant 50% of mamory and no more. That sort of thing. Hi Dennis, Yes - see: URL:http://bugs.opensolaris.org/bugdatabase/view_bug.do?bug_id=6505658 A more important question would be, what effect would this have on system performance and am I merely thwarting progress. Sort of like early owners of the automobile were forced to send someone walking in front of them with a light in order to ensure that the horses were not frightened. That sort of thing. The best (IMHO) answer is to try it on your system with your workload. Bear in mind that the ZFS developers are adamant that there should be no tunables and that the system should handle every situation automatically. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] home network design advice
On Sat, 23 Dec 2006, Gary wrote: Hello, [ ... reformatted ...] I would like some suggestions about a home network design. My current set up consists of a broadband connection(cable), a cable modem that connects to a Linux server that runs Smoothwall as a firewall. The firewall server connects to a switch. Connected to the switch is a game server that runs 24x7, two desktops and a nfs server(V120, Sol 10) that is used to mount home directories. Well, today, my firewall died. I would like to replace the firewall server with another V120 running Sol 10. My question is about the services that need to run on the firewall server. Do I need to run DHCP? For the most part, anything on the network will have a hardcoded IP address. But, there is a possibility of a box, such as a laptop, not having a dedicated IP. Do I need to run DNS? Since I want to use this box as a firewall, I'm assuming that I will use IP Filter. Is IP Filter a good firewall? Any other suggestions? If you'd like to use a dedicated firewall, checkout MonoWall running on a PCEngines SBC (Single Board Computer). You'll find the PCEngines WRAP board here: http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap.htm http://www.pcengines.ch/wrap1e203.htm Note: the board with 3 ethernet interfaces will allow you to easily support a DMZ. and the Monowall software here: http://m0n0.ch/wall/ PCEngines has a flimsy, but functional, inexpensive aluminum case (part number for the red one is case1c2red). You'll need to add a 12V DC power supply rated for about 20Watts (or higher). A good quality wall wart[1] PSU will work fine. Ohh - you'll also need an 8Mb (or larger) Compact Flash (CF) card (Kingston has a 256Mb card for $11). Advantages for this approach: - low-cost - fully featured firewall - simple (very simple) user interface - low power; the WRAP CPU has no heatsink nor does it require one - no moving parts (no disk drives, fans etc) - 30 minutes to burn the CF, mount the board in the case and start using it - mature hardware software Disadvantages: - the user interface can feel slow if you're in a hurry - if you order the WRAP board from PCEngines, allow 2 to 3 weeks for delivery - the ability to replace the CF card without removing the board would be nice - altough you can upgrade the image easily via the GUI Performance: the system will handle between 40 and 50 Mbits/Sec of firewalled traffic with a typical firewall ruleset. [1] 2.1mm jack, center pin positive Seasons Greetings, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Unkillable Processes
On Sun, 17 Dec 2006, Sean Sprague wrote: Bryan, [Snip!] And there you have it. To verify Matt's hypothesis, run the DTrace one-liner that I sent you; if it's the bug that Matt suggested (which certainly matches the symptoms you describe), you'll see stack traces like this one in the output: issig_forreal+0x5c0() cv_wait_sig+0x190() snf_segmap+0x450() sosendfile64+0x2a0() sendvec64+0xf0() sendfilev+0x178() syscall_trap32+0xcc() Would you mind at all to publish the one-liner here (for those of us who can't guess what it is ;-) )? Hi Sean, You must have missed an email. Here it is (again) [edited]: Date: Sat, 16 Dec 2006 22:45:49 -0800 From: Bryan Cantrill [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Ben Rockwood [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [osol-discuss] Unkillable Processes Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org ... snip You are no doubt spinning in the kernel, and this is no doubt a kernel bug. To figure out what's going on, do this: # dtrace -n profile-1234hz'/pid == 4308/[EMAIL PROTECTED]()] = count()}' That should tell you pretty clearly where you are and what's going on... - Bryan -- Bryan Cantrill, Solaris Kernel Development. http://blogs.sun.com/bmc ___ Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Suggestion: PCFS Open Development Project
On Wed, 29 Nov 2006, Frank Hofmann wrote: Hi, I'd like to propose a project for OpenSolaris that'd put development on the PCFS filesystem driver and the associated utilities out onto OpenSolaris.org. A discussion mailing list, a wiki and a Mercurial repository for it. PCFS is a bit like the ugly duckling in Solaris Filesystems. There's the potential to make it evolve into a swan if we can solve issues it has: - performance is abysmal - on large filesystems, it's a memory hog - performance is abysmal - not optimized for FAT32, not even auto-work mkfs on disks - performance is abysmal - still no codepage / international character set support - performance is abysmal - compatibility with some media is bad (2kB secsize doesn't work) - performance is abysmal - carries a lot of 20+ year old cruft - ah, yeah, and did I say performance is abysmal ? There are already people from the community who have contributed to PCFS and I want to explicitly express my thanks for that. But I also want to go a step further, and get our development workspace out, so that I don't have to say believe me we're doing work on it, but so that everyone can see the changes that are upcoming, comment on them, suggest improvements, add own code, and of course try it out sooner. Thoughts/suggestions/gaspseconds ? +1 But you probably need to mention how you feel about performance :) A bizarre sense of humor is the sign of a great developer mindset IMHO. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Moving on...
On Tue, 21 Nov 2006, Karyn Ritter wrote: Just a quick note to let you all know that today was my last day at Sun. OpenSolaris has been an amazing experience -- you all have taught me so much over the past two years (for those of you pilot members). Karyn, You will be missed! Thank you very much, for all your hard work and many contributions to OpenSolaris. Personally, I've enjoyed working with you and my overall impression, was that when I saw a message from you, it was always good news and forward progress! The very best of luck to you in your future personal and professional endeavors. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Trouble with sendmail and 'Smart relay host' in B48 ...
On Wed, 22 Nov 2006, Roland Mainz wrote: John Beck wrote: Roland I have a small problem with my sendmail setup in Solaris Roland 11/B48/SPARC and can't make heads or tails out of the problem... First, you should not be editing sendmail.cf directly, but instead you should take a copy of the .mc file, modify that, then build the .cf from the .mc and install the .cf in /etc/mail: * cd /etc/mail/cf/cf * cp sendmail.mc foo.mc Pick whatever value you want for foo; `hostname` is often useful. * Edit foo.mc * make foo.cf * cp foo.cf /etc/mail/sendmail.cf * svcadm restart sendmail Roland ... does anyone know what may be wrong in this case ? For your particular mod, you want the SMART_HOST macro: define(`SMART_HOST', `mailout.uni-giessen.de')dnl in your .mc file. Note that using the SMART_HOST macro tends to punt everything to the smart host instead of trying MX records first, then punting to the smart host only as a fall-back. Since MX records are an Internet standard, the latter behavior is the default in Solaris; see http://blogs.sun.com/jbeck/entry/no_more_main_vs_subsidiary for details. I already tried define(`SMART_HOST', `mailout.uni-giessen.de')dnl and define(`confFALLBACK_SMARTHOST', `mailout.uni-giessen.de')dnl with zero effect. The B48 machine still tries to deliver the emails directly (which works but the accepting host is in fact our firewall which captures all emails send by internal hosts this way (some kind of spamtrap) ; the only official way to get emails delivered to the world outside is that all email MUST be send to mailout.uni-giessen.de). I think the folks at blastwave.org have the right idea. If you install the blastwave sendmail package it places everything in /opt/csw/* and has the equivalent of the /etc/mail config files there: $ find /opt/csw -name 'sendmail.cf*' /opt/csw/etc/mail/sendmail.cf.CSW /opt/csw/etc/mail/sendmail.cf Suns sendmail is just too different to where it gets in the way, rather than solves your email config issues. (Sorry John Beck) Recommendation: - disable Suns sendmail - install the blastwave sendmail in /opt/csw (standard install root) Now enjoy independent *per zone* sendmail operation and you don't have to worry about a Solaris patch screwing up your (Sun) sendmail config. In fact, you can setup a zone purely as your Sendmail server for the machine. But you do need to watch for the Sun sendmail coming back from the dead (it's like a virus). Don't believe me? Try this scenario in a zone: netservices limited svcadm disable sendmail # pgrep -l sendmail life is good ... # netservices limited restarting syslogd restarting wbem dtlogin needs to be restarted. Restart now? [Y] N dtlogin not restarted. Restart it to put it in local-mode. # pgrep -l sendmail 14759 sendmail 14761 sendmail It's back! Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: Reforming the OpenSolaris project integration process (was:Re: [osol-discuss] how to make a new project?)
On Wed, 18 Oct 2006, Josh Hurst wrote: On 10/18/06, James Carlson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Josh Hurst writes: On 10/17/06, maoyi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I want to post my 4over6 code.How? 4over6 is a project that makes ipv4 packets go through ipv6 network. I suggest that you wait until the ksh93 integration project is done with it's work. The project suffers from excessive bureaucracy overhead and in my opinion a discussion should be started to streamline the project integration process. The current process has become unbearable and this needs to be corrected before new projects are launched Your fear-mongering is completely misplaced just plain unacceptable. Please understand that I am trying to start a generalised discussion whether all this bureaucracy is REQUIRED. No other Open Source project requires this kind of excessive bureaucracy overhead. Wearing my CAB hat: What you refer to as bureaucracy I would refer to as applying engineering discipline to (the process of) developing rock solid, world class, highly upward compatible software. Is it necessary? Absolutely IMHO. The alternative, in terms of kernel development, is the chaos known generally as Linux. Can it (the process) be improved? Of course it can. And we (as in the CAB) and I (personally) am ready willing and able to act on any suggestions for improvement you may have to offer. I do not feel very well that I have to kickstart this discussion but I think the excessive delays in the ksh93 integration project are no longer bearable and require at least a look at the general process. So your complaint is that there are excessive delays in the ksh93 integration project and you attribute those no longer bearable delays to be due to the general process. You're not giving me very much to work with here - are you? Have you asked the developers on the ksh93 integration project why there are excessive delays? If so, what do they have to say? And is this something that can and should be resolved locally by the project leaders or is there really something here that the CAB needs to be involved with? I'd like to start a constructive discussion about the problems because a reform is overdue Sure - lets have a constructive discussion. Before we start reforming anything, we must first identify the problem we are trying to resolve. We must clearly identify any road blocks, prioritize them and then deal with them. But wait - doesnt that sound like I'm already applying process to a problem arena - and you say that there is an issue with that? As regards the ksh93 integration project, I'll give you my personal assessment: - the project is going extremely well and making good progress - the project is extremely challenging, for the following reasons (not an exhaustive list): o it touches on a bunch (TM) of existing code within OpenSolaris o the well known libcmd issue o there are simply not that many talented developers who are: - intimately familiar with a complex program like a shell - who understand all the intracies of writing shell scripts - who know and understand all the related standards - who are familiar with best practices when writing multi-thousand line shell scripts - who are familiar with Solaris and the differences between the Solaris ksh and other, current, ksh93 shell implementations. - who understand how the shell interacts with some of the low-level kernel and system APIs. - who can engineer OpenSolaris specific changes without impacting cross platform compatibility o there are working implementations available from the project (I know because I'm running one) o its one of the first and largest community led efforts. As such, many of the developers are experiencing their first ARC experience o talented and driven developers often have strong personal technical opinions and preferences in many different technical areas o in many cases on the ksh93 project, there were/are many possible solutions to the implementation of specific features/facilities. Selecting the most appropriate one is a very difficult problem - often with no obvious solution - the technical quality of the work done so far is absolutely amazing and first rate by any set of standards AFAIK I don't care if it takes a year for the project to complete - because I'd rather it be done right than done fast. We've been awaiting a ksh93 for Solaris for a long, long time and I can see the light at the end of the tunnel already! Please take it elsewhere. Fine. Which list would you suggest? CAB? If there is some matter that can't be resolved at the Project/Community level, then the CAB/OGB is the place to take it. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community
Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Dennis Clarke wrote: From: Dennis Clarke [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC Date: Wed, July 26, 2006 14:01 To: opensolaris-discuss@OpenSolaris.org -- Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC ... .snip +1 Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Formal Proposal : Port OpenSolaris to PowerPC
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006, Karyn Ritter wrote: So development would continue to happen on Blastwave? Sure. Why not? If so, what (if anything) will be in the project on opensolaris.org? Primarily a pointer to where the work is being done. And a single focal point for anyone to go to who is looking to find out about, and, hopefully, contribute to, any/all OpenSolaris related projects or activities. Thanks, Karyn Dennis Clarke wrote: So, I assume that the code and discussions would be moved to opensolaris.org once the project is approved and open on the site? Here is the task map : http://polaris.blastwave.org/wiki/PolarisTaskMap Dennis Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Ultra 20 CD/DVD burning probs
On Wed, 12 Jul 2006, Rich Teer wrote: Hi all, This is a weird one: burning CDs and DVDs in my Ultra 20 is a crapshoot. Sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn't. The . snip .. cdrecord and a Plextor drive is an *unbeatable* combination. NB: the Plextor slot loader fits in an Ultra 20 box. Plextor drives are worth every $0.01 IMHO - the alternative is a combination of frustration and time lost. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Contributor Award Winners are posted
Note: I'm replying to opensolaris-discuss only to avoid cross-posting. On Thu, 15 Jun 2006, Mike Ditto wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote On 06/15/06 17:37,: But a few were deleted for, excuse me, perception reasons ? Dennis - of course you have a valid point and I think that its great that you followup and express your dis-satisfaction that one of your nominees did not receive an award. Casper and I felt strongly that the CAB/OGB members should not be eligible - since we were acting as judges. And we reached a majority consensus of the CAB/OGB that this was not appropriate. Also, it is very usual, in any contest/competition, for the judges and organizers to be excluded to avoid any signs of a conflict of interest or any self-serving behavior. Personally I think its much better that we have some community members miffed that their nominees did'nt get an award, rather than have some community members accusing the organizers and judges of conflict(s) of interest. The former position is defensible. The latter is certainly not. Now; could this have been handled better? You bet. Should we have published some ground rules at the first mention of the 2006 Contributor Awards? You bet. If anyone is interested in the offlist discussions that took place between the CAB members, please email me and I'll be glad to cut/paste all the email traffic and send you a copy - assuming that none of the participants object. There was really no substantive discussion - since most of it had already taken place on cab-discuss. So I still think it was not worth the bandwidth to clutter up cab-discuss with at the time. Altough it would be a lot less clutter to post the exchanges as a single email to a list. If I get a lot of requests for this email traffic, I'll followup and post it to cab-discuss. So how about we invite 10 random winners of this award to be the moderators for next year's award, for which CAB members etc. will be eligible. In the mean time, those nominated know that being That is an excellent idea. And we should definately avoid using the CAB/OGB in any situation where we want them to be eligible for an award. nominated is an honor in itself. :-) In my case, I agree 100% - and many thanks to those who nominated me. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 OpenSolaris Governing Board (OGB) Member - Feb 2006 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] bug filing question
Is it possible for an average Joe OpenSolaris Developer to file a bug against /usr/bin/mail (and libmail.so) in Solaris 8? Thanks, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: What's the best backup utility with user friendlyGUI in Unix/Linux world?
On Sat, 22 Apr 2006, Brett Wayne wrote: A second on Legato ... I remember working with Legato a long time ago. Did they ever solve the issue of creating _huge_ index/tracking files? In some cases, the Legato tracking files were much larger than the size of an incremental backup - and you needed these files in order to restore data. Like I said - my experience is dated ... just curious. Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Infrastructure clarification request, 4/13
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Nils Nieuwejaar wrote: On Thu 04/13/06 at 09:13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There are a couple of requests I need to get more specific instructions on. Specifically, unassociated mailing lists are expensive for support (because we hadn't intended to support any other than the top-level ones from the main portal application), and because they don't get easy visibility from the portal. (They would only appear in the Discussions main page.) So, with that in mind, I wanted to get some more detailed information about two requests: 1. Moderated technical alias/Muskoka project. The Muskoka project was approved, and infrastructure is supposed to be in place. Does the moderated technical alias request apply to muskoka-discuss, It was our intention for muskoka-discuss to fill that specific gap. I will let the most recent requestor(s) for a technical alias speak for themselves as to whether this is sufficient. This is what I had in mind. Sorry for creating confusion. Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Project proposal: Nevada Companion Software
On Thu, 13 Apr 2006, Ben Rockwood wrote: Dennis Clarke wrote: Hi folks, I was informed there was a bit of a broohaha over here, about packaging up open source binaries for solaris and opensolaris. So, as the author of pkg-get, and the creator/leader of the CSW packaging efforts living on blastwave.org, I thought I'd poke my head in and wave. This is a great explanation of the problem with bloat. The issue at hand is the creation of a new project whick will allow for a discussion on how to proceed with the Companion CD that installs into the /opt/sfw area. Or even to discuss a whole new plan of attack for the problem. The software repository and release procedures we have at Blastwave are a current successful model that addresses the open source needs of Solaris users. However, it is far from perfect. Can we open discussions that will allow us to explore other possibilities or perhaps apply what we have learned ? This is exactly what I think one of the primary focuses of this new project will be. The SFW and Blastwave minds have been apart far too long and this project, being in the open, finally brings everyone together at one table, with equal ability to provide input and guidance. I would propose that both Steve and Phil be made leaders of the new project. I think everyone can agree that all involved parties bring a lot to the table, but everyone can think of trade offs between them. Having the combined experience involved in this effort would finally put us on the right track to having a solution that, if not solves these problems, at least allows everyone to more cleanly interact. I can think of several possible new ways of implementing things that would provide a better freeware platform for everyone, in which Blastwave and Sun both have distinct advantages and no one is made inferior, just off the top of my head. I know that others have plenty of ideas themselves. Clearly, Blastwave has the delivery and selection nailed, hands down. The CCD has a reputation that many customers trust and solely rely upon. There has got to be a multitude of ways of making these two come together in a productive way but still provide distinction between them so that everyone can win. What you say here reminds me of the Java Servlet specs - especially in the early days. They define a set of requirements that any implementation must meet, but they deliberately leave the implementation so wide open, that many vendors (or OSS projects) could choose wildly divergent implementation architectures and add value in very different ways. The users gained three things: 1) an implementation that was standards compliant 2) the ability to choose different implementations depending on whether the vendor/developer value-add aligned with their usage model 3) the ability of multiple vendors/suppliers to provide implementations that were competitive and yet were able to co-exist in the marketplace. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Project proposal: Nevada Companion Software
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006, James Dickens wrote: On 4/12/06, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Rushmore writes: I see no reason why the community needs yet another project. I hope we're not heading down a path where project creation can be vetoed. The Project support on opensolaris.org should be available for all ideas -- good, bad, and even duplicate ones. The existence of a project doesn't dictate acceptance, and it is reasonable to point out areas of overlap or foreseeable issues to new projects. That's been done here and heard loud and clear. perhaps project approval is just too easy for Sun's pet projects. This project was okayed only by Sun employees, I didn't notice anyone outside of Sun giving an okay on this project, and at least one of the one of the two people that okayed the project had a vested interest in it, (a volunteer on the SFW-Cteam in my copious free time), If you, or anyone else, sees flaw(s) in the OpenSolaris project or community request/creation process, or *any* other process, then please address it on cab-discuss. Don't punish and victimize the next person/group/organization that proposes a new project. If the *process* is flawed, correct the process. As my flight instructor would say work the problem ... work-the-problem. Perhaps persons with a vested interest in a project should recuse themselfs from the approval proccess. Again - if its an approval proccess issue and you, or anyone else, feels that it needs to be addressed, bring it up on cab-discuss and encourage the CAB/OGB to work it. And continue to work the problem until you feel that it is resolved to your satisfaction. Problems with any OpenSolaris process should not manifest themselves when someone (anyone) proposes a new project or community. And I'll tell you right now, I won't/don't support or condone any form of favoritism based on anyones' email domain name or employer. We can't possibly have a workable community if there is any form of favoritism or preferential treatment. As an aside, if I live at logical-approach.com and discuss my desire to form an OpenSolaris project with my colleagues and co-workers and we reach consensus ... it's pretty obvious that if I were to propose a new OpenSolaris project, my colleauges would probably second and third the project creation request. That seems pretty natural to me I feel something as important as an OpenSource instalation standards needs broarder support than just a couple members of the project approving it. It will be too easy for this project to create a standard that doesn't meet the current needs of the community, that appears to have chosen sunfreeware and blastwave as standards allready. Addressed above. Still, a project is simply a place to discuss and maybe even prototype ideas in an open manner. If there isn't such a place, people will be driven to other venues than opensolaris.org to collaborate on as-yet unproven ideas. That seems like an unfortunate outcome worth avoiding. this particular project seems to need more than a project offers, it really needs to be a community to support the numerous packages that this encompasses. Keith already proposed a Community and did'nt receive any CAB votes. Why? Because there are already too many communities. And I'm delighted to see Keith recover from this rejection and come back with a project creation request. (Communities, of course, have stricter non-duplication rules.) To me, the initial goal of the Companion project is to get what Sun's been doing for years out in the open. That way we can all discuss the goals of each freeware-distribution mechansim objectively and see if they can be reconciled in such a way that a single source base can meet the requirements of the many constituents. I sincerely hope such reconciliation of technical goals is possible. it would of been better to engnlist parties that are involved to work together on this task, so that you would have broarder support. All of that said, I'd still love to understand how it is that someone can grab the source for all of blastwave and rebuild it on their own machine. Is that possible? Planned? yes its planned, a subversion repository is being setup and will be ready for code to be added to it shortly. James Dickens uadmin.blogspot.com liane (a volunteer on the SFW-Cteam in my copious free time) -- Liane Praza, Solaris Kernel Development [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://blogs.sun.com/lianep Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Project proposal: Nevada Companion Software
On Wed, 12 Apr 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill Rushmore writes: I see no reason why the community needs yet another project. I hope we're not heading down a path where project creation can be vetoed. The Project support on opensolaris.org should be available for all ideas -- good, bad, and even duplicate ones. The existence of a project doesn't dictate acceptance, and it is reasonable to point out areas of overlap or foreseeable issues to new projects. That's been done here and heard loud and clear. Agreed. Still, a project is simply a place to discuss and maybe even prototype ideas in an open manner. If there isn't such a place, people will be driven to other venues than opensolaris.org to collaborate on as-yet unproven ideas. That seems like an unfortunate outcome worth avoiding. Agreed. (Communities, of course, have stricter non-duplication rules.) To me, the initial goal of the Companion project is to get what Sun's been doing for years out in the open. That way we can all discuss the goals of each freeware-distribution mechansim objectively and see if they can be reconciled in such a way that a single source base can meet the requirements of the many constituents. I sincerely hope such reconciliation of technical goals is possible. +1 All of that said, I'd still love to understand how it is that someone can grab the source for all of blastwave and rebuild it on their own machine. Is that possible? Planned? liane (a volunteer on the SFW-Cteam in my copious free time) ^^^ Alert! Alert! Massive outbreak of sarcasm detected! Possibly a 9 on the Reichter Scale. Seek immediate shelter. Alert! Alert! :) Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] technical (kernel?) discussion list progress?
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, Eric Lowe wrote: Peter Buckingham wrote: There was some discussion about having a more technical mailing list/community ala freebsd hackers/lkml/... Was there any progress made on that? I'm definitely interested in discoverying/learning more about the internals of Solaris. It has been discussed, but there is some grumbling that opensolaris-discuss is still OK for this kind of discussion since we haven't reached the threshold of pain yet as far as traffic. There has also been a fair amount of this type of traffic on opensolaris-code, although that list should be going away soon... I would like to propose a highly technical kernel related mailing list/project - name TBD (chosen via discussion) per the original (failed community) proposal by Eric Lowe. Essentially I am proposing the Eric Lowe project/list of his behalf or by proxy, if you will. The list would be a moderated list to ensure that the signal to noise ratio is maintained over the long term. This would be our first OpenSolaris moderated list and it should be considered an experiment that will be successfull or unsuccessfull based on the number of active participants, the quality of the postings and the ability of the moderators to ensure timely postings and to refer off-topic posts to other, more appropriate, unmoderated, lists. Ultimately the community will decide if they like the list being moderated. And it could be converted into an unmoderated list in the future if the experiment is deemed unsuccessful. IMHO we need a highly technical list with good signal/noise ratio and it will attract those talented developers/contributors based on its technical content and retain them based on the fact that they won't have to wade through tons of off-topic or low-tech posts. In my experience there is a co-relation between telented developers, their available time to participate on mailing lists and their tolerance towards list noise. As an aside, I've noticed that everytime someone proposes a new project they are immediatly punished for the we have too many communities/projects/lists already, previous committed, sins of others. IMO we should not punish the proposer(s) of a new community/project for lists/projects they likely had no part in creating. Dealing with the 'too-many-projects-lists issue is a separate issue which must/will be dealt with in time. PS: I will also make myself available as a moderator for the proposed list. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Re: Re: Solaris on Intel Macs??
On Tue, 11 Apr 2006, [UTF-8] Jürgen Keil wrote: snip . any I'm able to boot in Intel iMac into a snv_34 failsafe kernel boot archive ! Nice Work JK!! :) Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
[osol-discuss] Re: [tools-discuss] Distributed source code management selection, draft
On Fri, 7 Apr 2006, Stephen Hahn wrote: Commentary is encouraged. We can start to look at specific SCM-dependent tools next week, unless we are more distant from consensus that I believe... Enjoy the weekend; my thanks to all. ... snip Therefore, we have decided to select Mercurial as the DSCM for OpenSolaris. In the coming time, we hope to work with the Mercurial community to address any issues we may find while integrating Mercurial into the OpenSolaris repository framework and converting existing source bases to use it. . snip Indeed. Many well-earned Thanks to all who participated in the SCM tool selection and to Stephen Hahn for taking the lead role. I think that Mercurial is the worthy winner of the evaluation. The passion of its developers and their willingness to vigorously defend the tool in the face of the competition and yet provide detailed email clarifications and meaningfuly contributions during the evaluation process, also makes them deserving OpenSolaris DSCM champions. I continue to be impressed by their ability to provide OpenSolaris relevant support for their product without even being asked to. No doubt that bugs/deficiencies will be discovered as we get comfortable with Mercurial and apply it to the *huge* body of open source that is the OpenSolaris project. But I feel comfortable that the Mercurial developers, along with the OpenSolaris community, will quickly overcome any discovered hurdles and, in the process, make Mercurial into an even stronger product/project. Getting a DSCM into production for OpenSolaris is a huge priority. Please help in any way you can to make it happen. Again - many Thanks to all the participants. Happy Friday! Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
Re: [osol-discuss] Slowaris vs. Solaris
On Wed, 29 Mar 2006 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: But the Solaris installer doesn't read the data at that rate. If it got the drive going then it would be fine, but it spends half its time jumping all over the place, and even when doing nothing but reading a simple data stream it's at a very much slower rate. The problem is in the install process being slow, not in how fast the media is. And it uses the media in a way which is particularly bad for DVDs. What needs to happen is to have the DVD data streamed to a RAM disk (by one thread) and then have the (stupid) installer run from the RAM disk. Since its not uncommon to have machines with 1 to 8Gb of RAM these days, the installer should be able to maximize the use of available RAM. Regards, Al Hopper Logical Approach Inc, Plano, TX. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Voice: 972.379.2133 Fax: 972.379.2134 Timezone: US CDT OpenSolaris.Org Community Advisory Board (CAB) Member - Apr 2005 ___ opensolaris-discuss mailing list opensolaris-discuss@opensolaris.org
