Re: Re: Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
Yes it helps a lot. Thanks. Does this scanner just scan 35 mm or will it do 2 1/4 stuff as well.Going to borrow and use my Dad's Yashica Mat thsi winter to take some BW rural winter scenes.Our Mapping dept head say's i'll get some nice prints from this size.Hope so. I'm not sure about the D30 to comment for you but i have the D1 and so far have been happy with it. Just need the 80-200 f2.8 and possibly the sb28dx flash and there's no stopping me.(well some times a stiff breeze does oh well). Dave Begin Original Message From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:16:49 + To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up... PhotoShop can help get the red out LOL Cotty, did you scan from prints or negatives? and what equipment do you use?? Dave (still deciding on what scanner)Brooks Hi Dave, Film was Superia 200 (cos it's cheapest I can get £1.25 a roll) colour neg, processed at £2 a roll, scanned on a Nikon LS-1000 giving 2700 dpi and 20MB file sizes - plenty for printing A4 (11X8) at 300 dpi on my steam-powered Epson Stylus Photo EX printer via a PowerMac 8100 with G3 250MHz Sonnet upgrade card and 178MB RAM installed. For printing A3, Photoshop 5.5 interpolates brilliantly and the prints are stunning, despite what some may say regarding inkjet output. It falls down slightly on mono images just using the black ink, but if you like your B and W prints grainy, reportage style (like I do), then worry not! I used to have a Polaroid Sprintscan that was also pretty good, except it turned into an expensive paperweight just after the expiry of the warranty and Polaroid's support was unsympathetic and rude, despite it being an obvious and even acknowledged hardware flaw. For that reason I would never buy another Polaroid product. I sold it for scrap on eBay (for about £80 - so someone must have another duff Sprintscan they wanted to try and fix!) and got a used Nikon LS-1000 which hasn't missed a beat since I've had it. Obviously if buying today I would get a higher spec model, but I would buy another Coolscan without doubt. Silverfast software is fine, the scanner hardware is sturdy, without the plastic feel the Sprintscan had, although the neg carrier is fiddly, overall and 8 out of 10. If I thought I was going to stay film based, I would upgrade to an newer Nikon, but I'm saving the pennies for a MZ-D when it arrives, or a Canon D30 if it doesn't. Hence the Coolscan will still do service scanning pics from my LX which I have now decided will stay with me right into my coffin. Hope this helps, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
FS: Refconverter (Right angle finder) M or A
For anyone looking for the above, I've noticed it again in this week's 'New Arrivals' from Cameta Camera at $69. Seems like a good price if the condition is OK and it is a handy piece. They don't indicate if it is an A or M, but these are the only ones with 1X-2X and fit everything from the ME thru Super Program, LX, and PZ-1 viewfinders. The A vs M is labeled as such on the bottom/back. Regards, Bob S. PS. Call them, not me! Cameta Camera 253 Broadway Amityville, NY 11701 Phone: 800-991-3350 Phone: 631-691-1190 Phone: 631-598-3350 Fax: 631-691-1019 www.cameta.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
aye Dave Begin Original Message From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tue, 27 Nov 2001 22:32:15 -0600 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SuperProgram aperture coupling problems
John, I think you have a good handle on the problem. As for repair, I don't know where or who could do it. Regards, Bob S. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Kodak RFS 3600 film scanner for free (sorta)
I've just been contacted by the Product Manager at Eastman Kodak who's responsible for the RFS3600 film scanner. He wants to send me one to try out for a while. This doesn't seem like an offer to turn down but I seem to recall that some list members tried this scanner and had problems with it. If I can get this information and the fixes that list member applied I have a chance here to take the information right to the horse's mouth, so to speak. I'll keep you all posted. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: SuperProgram aperture coupling problems
John Fieber wrote: There is a black ring just inside the lens mount that rotates with the aperture ring on the camera. I'm guessing this is the rotating part of a variable resistor on the circumference. This is certainly true of a parts SF1 that I have disassembled right now. the resistor you talk of is etched onto a circuit board at the top of the lens mount behind the ring. It's a bit like an etched version of the old rheostats we used to use in high school Physics, and I would bet is a candidate for wear, as wells dirt and corrosion (it's not really sealed) Hmmm, you didn't have the camera somewhere damp or dirty, or get any slightly salt water (like sea water) on it at some point did you? Regards, /\/\ick... ++ || __/) Mick Maguire | | Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | (_/) ICQ: 48609010 | \/ | \ /---+ - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: SuperProgram aperture coupling problems
To John, If I read your initial mail correctly, your Super Program is having problem when the lenses were set to 'A', and only. If so, the problem can be cured easily. What happened was the electical contacts (6 silver contacts, the springs and the circuit board underneath) underneath the camera mount have been too dirty (or oxidation) to be reliable. All you need to do is to remove the camera mount, remove these contacts and springs VERY VERY carefully. There is 1 contact which looks different, and its spring underneath is longer than the others. Soak them in liquid cleaner for audio equipment and dry them carefully. Then use the same cleaner to clean the circuit board underneath (difficult, but not impossible). All you need is a perfect fit screwdriver, sharp tweezer, cleaner, and patient. You won't need to strip down the camera, just the camera mount. If you don't want to do this yourself, just tell the repairman what to clean. If the problem exists when the lens was set to other than 'A', it's the aperture variable resistor inside the camera becomes too dirty. These are 2 different problems. regards, Alan Chan _ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
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RE: APO Lenses
Correct. It is based on fractions of a wavelength of sodium light (sodium about 500nm I think). It's actually possible to detect the difference between a 1/4 wave optical system and one that is say 1/8 wave by looking at the diffraction ring pattern from a point light source inside and outside of focus. Yet in most cases it's hard to detect the difference in actual use. 1/4th wave is considered diffraction limited optics which only means that no errors can be visually detected that are distinguishable from those caused by diffraction effects. Still a lot of people say they can tell the difference in areas of contrast and resolution. Perfect eyesight must help though because even with 20/15 corrected vision I can't. When it comes to the term APO in optics, unless you are talking about perfection, optics can be designed to be visual or photographic. Meaning that of the 3 color correction it can be either corrected towards the red end for the human eye or the blue end for film. These days it is possible to correct for just about the entire spectrum if it is important and cost is no object. Kent Gittings Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Rodger Whitlock Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:55 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: APO Lenses On Mon, 26 Nov 2001 at 19:12:30 -0500, Isaac Crawford [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You mean down to the photon!? Who's BSing now? We aren't talking about a machine shop, we're talking about light. It is literally impossible to grind lenses to within a photon's breadth of correction. The criterion isn't a photon's breadth (I'm not even sure a photon has breadth), but rather the wavelength of the light (= photon). As it happens, a mirror ground to within 1/4 lambda (wavelength) behaves as though it were optically exact. I imagine that a similar phenomenon happens with lenses. And, yes, it is possible to form optical surfaces to this accuracy. Kodak has a proprietary method using a beam of argon ions to erode glass surfaces. This method has been used to correct the figure of the mirrors for the large Hawaiian telescopes and remove the normal errors in figure that result from mechanical grinding and polishing when the grinding tool overlaps the edge of the mirror. However, because of the dispersion of glass (variation in index of refraction with wavelength), a single lens element can only be optimized for a limited number of wavelengths, possibly just one. It will be out of focus for all other wavelengths. Mirrors differ in that reflection is essentially the same for all wavelengths, so a mirror figured to focus at, say, 400 nm wavelength (violet) will also accurately focus at 700 nm wavelength (red). -- Rodger Whitlock Victoria, British Columbia, Canada To co-work is human, to cow-ork, bovine. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
Aye Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Mike Johnston Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Re: Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
I think the best multi format film scanner I've seen is the Minolta Scan Pro. 4800dpi in 35mm, 4.2 dynamic range and does up to 6x9 I think. Not cheap however. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of David Brooks Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 7:41 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up... Yes it helps a lot. Thanks. Does this scanner just scan 35 mm or will it do 2 1/4 stuff as well.Going to borrow and use my Dad's Yashica Mat thsi winter to take some BW rural winter scenes.Our Mapping dept head say's i'll get some nice prints from this size.Hope so. I'm not sure about the D30 to comment for you but i have the D1 and so far have been happy with it. Just need the 80-200 f2.8 and possibly the sb28dx flash and there's no stopping me.(well some times a stiff breeze does oh well). Dave Begin Original Message From: Cotty [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 09:16:49 + To: Pentax List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up... PhotoShop can help get the red out LOL Cotty, did you scan from prints or negatives? and what equipment do you use?? Dave (still deciding on what scanner)Brooks Hi Dave, Film was Superia 200 (cos it's cheapest I can get £1.25 a roll) colour neg, processed at £2 a roll, scanned on a Nikon LS-1000 giving 2700 dpi and 20MB file sizes - plenty for printing A4 (11X8) at 300 dpi on my steam-powered Epson Stylus Photo EX printer via a PowerMac 8100 with G3 250MHz Sonnet upgrade card and 178MB RAM installed. For printing A3, Photoshop 5.5 interpolates brilliantly and the prints are stunning, despite what some may say regarding inkjet output. It falls down slightly on mono images just using the black ink, but if you like your B and W prints grainy, reportage style (like I do), then worry not! I used to have a Polaroid Sprintscan that was also pretty good, except it turned into an expensive paperweight just after the expiry of the warranty and Polaroid's support was unsympathetic and rude, despite it being an obvious and even acknowledged hardware flaw. For that reason I would never buy another Polaroid product. I sold it for scrap on eBay (for about £80 - so someone must have another duff Sprintscan they wanted to try and fix!) and got a used Nikon LS-1000 which hasn't missed a beat since I've had it. Obviously if buying today I would get a higher spec model, but I would buy another Coolscan without doubt. Silverfast software is fine, the scanner hardware is sturdy, without the plastic feel the Sprintscan had, although the neg carrier is fiddly, overall and 8 out of 10. If I thought I was going to stay film based, I would upgrade to an newer Nikon, but I'm saving the pennies for a MZ-D when it arrives, or a Canon D30 if it doesn't. Hence the Coolscan will still do service scanning pics from my LX which I have now decided will stay with me right into my coffin. Hope this helps, Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
Aye Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
Aye! Len --- -Original Message- From: Mike Johnston [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 10:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Awfully late PUG comments: Matamoros, Lahuerta, van Wijk
Hi everybody, First, I'm sorry for being (again) so late with my assignment. Every month I would like to comment on many shots, but as usual I have so little time so I postpone, postpone and then... the month is over... BTW, here they are: Dozers at the ready by César Matamoros II; This is an impressive image, especially for its content. I like the way you faced the argument. I don't know if I would have chosen a different angle or lens. The more I look at it the less I find alternative croppings. Well done. Quiberon by Jaume Lahuerta; *Almost* perfect in reproducing the mood of a sunny summer day. I really like the sky to be the most important part of the frame, it gives a sense of breathtaking spaciousness. The only thing I don't like in this picture is the separation between the sky and the sea/beach lower part of the frame. It seems they are really different entities. I would have tried to let the girl's arm in the foreground protude in the sky somehow. Sunlit Grapes at Daybreak by Jan van Wijk; If I must be honest, I think there is too much flash aid in this shot. The idea, the natural light, the composition are all good, but there is no good merging between the sunlight and the flashlight. I know, it's not always easy to accomplish a good fill-in, and I can say that I'm not always good in that myself, but the flash induced shadows are really too dark and a bit disturbing. I assume you were holding the camera with the flash on the right (right hand down). I suggest you to try to hold it with the flash on the side opposite to the main light, next time. Gianfranco Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The best FINE PRINTER'S format
On Tuesday, November 27, 2001, at 10:37 PM, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: That's a Grafmatic Magazine, Aaron. They are actually pretty reliable as long as the sepiums don't get bent. Robert White in the UK was advertising a plastic equivalent from Fuji. Came loaded but the ad said they were reusable. I have to ask Fuji about that! I could probably sell a pile of 'em, unless they're expensive. Thanks all for the heads up on what that holder was. I'll still stick with my 67 anyways. ;) -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
AYE. Mike Johnston wrote: Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 04:16 AM, Cotty wrote: without the plastic feel the Sprintscan had, I was stunned at the difference in build quality between the SprintScan 4000 and the SprintScan 120. The 120 makes the 4000 look like a cheap toy. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 10:52 PM, dave o'brien wrote: There's a place for flames about various hot-button topic and it's called: Not Here! I thought you were going to say Usenet. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Awfully late PUG comments: Matamoros, Lahuerta, van Wijk
Thanks for the comment Gianfranco, But There was no flash used in this shot at all ... It is the sun only, still quite low, early in the morning. Regards, JvW On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:43:19 -0800 (PST), Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: Sunlit Grapes at Daybreak by Jan van Wijk; If I must be honest, I think there is too much flash aid in this shot. The idea, the natural light, the composition are all good, but there is no good merging between the sunlight and the flashlight. I know, it's not always easy to accomplish a good fill-in, and I can say that I'm not always good in that myself, but the flash induced shadows are really too dark and a bit disturbing. I assume you were holding the camera with the flash on the right (right hand down). I suggest you to try to hold it with the flash on the side opposite to the main light, next time. - Jan van Wijk; www.fsys.demon.nl - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
Aye. I'd like to include religion, politics in general, characterization of nations and peoples, and which OS is the least poor copy of the Mac OS among the topics best left for off list or relegated to other lists. g Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG News
Slacker. Pansy. Quitter! :-) Tom C. - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discuss [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 12:06 PM Subject: PUG News Greetings: The December 2001 gallery will be the last gallery I work on as maintainer. Adelheid Kirschten will be taking over stewardship of the PUG after I have the next gallery finalized. I would like to take this opportunity to once again thank everyone who has worked on the gallery with me over the past year and a half, and to the people who have come forward with advice whenever I have asked for it. Alin, Jostein, TomVV, Sid, Flavio, Gary Murphy, Adelheid, Delano, Jan, Yves, Bucky, Chris, Ralf, Rob, Mark Cassino, Doug, Mark Roberts; thanks for all the help. If I've left anyone out, I am sorry, but so many people have stepped up to the plate to lend a hand over the past 18 months. The people at Frontex and Komkon who provide server space to us, and Igor, who makes sure it stays on line, and fixes my screw ups for me, thank you. I would also like to thank the members of the PDML for suporting the gallery with your images. If it wasn't for you people putting your work out there for all to see every month, this gallery wouldn't exist. Thanks again William Robb - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: what I think of current digital cameras
Tom C. wrote: I understand your point...I would guess that these are all exceptions to the rule. Okay. I don't agree. My point is that for YEARS and YEARS AND YEARS a larger negative/film size has been seen as way to increase the quality (I know you resist that term) of one's work, in mainstream photography. I don't believe that has changed. I don't believe a larger format AUTOMATICALLY makes one's work better. I believe it CAN make ones work better. I've seen plenty of lousy 6 X 7 shots. The bigger the camera, the better the technical quality, and the harder it is to get dynamic, interesting pictures. Most large format pictures I've seen (and believe me, I saw them endlessly at _PT_) put me to sleep. It's a lot tougher to take good pictures with a 6x7 than with a 35mm. That's why the vast majority of us use 35mm. With my 2438ppi Minolta scanner, I can get a max pixel count on 35mm film around 8mp. So in essence, in some respects, I have an 8mp digital camera for around $400. If one were to move up to one of the 4000ppi 35mm film scanners, then you have a pixel count over 21mp. So even if there was a 6mp Pentax MZ-D out there, I could easily outperform it (in raw numbers) with 35mm film and a cheap scanner. If there's anything I rant on and on about consistently, it's photography by the numbers. Raw or otherwise. Pixel count ISN'T everything. I agree that more information is not a prerequisite to a good photograph, but it doesn't hurt. I disagree. Sometimes, it CAN hurt. Trivial but common example: a photographer makes the decision to throw the background in a portrait out of focus. Less information; better picture. I've tossed and turned over whether I would purchase a 67 II or the AF 645N. I came to the conclusion that if the main reason I wanted MF was to increase media size, then a 6 X 7 was the way to go, why stop at 645? Good point. As I said in a recent post, I think 6x7 is probably the best compromise between shooting convenience and printing craftsmanship. If I could have everything I wanted, I'd have a Mamiya 7II. You must admit that's an extreme exception to the rule, a novelty. I do admit it. I used it as an example to point out that even extreme lack of information still doesn't disqualify photographs from working as art. we may be more of the same mind, than we think (of course this has mostly been mental exercise). :-) Well, in arguing for the position I've been arguing for, I'm certainly not arguing in favor of it above all else. I'm far from being against excellent lenses, good film, context, good definition, extended tonal range, color accuracy, and sharp detail. I'm merely saying that these things are a CHOICE, rather than a Universally accepted DEFINITION of what good photographs must be. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: never touch the shutter
Aaron wrote: When I was working at Sterling we had a guy who brought in a camera (a Pentax MZ-50, actually) that had a badly deformed shutter with a thumbprint in the middle of it. He insisted for about fifteen minutes that it had just been that way when he opened the camera and that no one had touched the shutter, but then I pointed out the thumbprint. He then switched tactics and insisted that we were at fault for selling him a camera with a shutter, because if it didn't have one, he couldn't have wrecked it. Astonishingly, Pentax Canada did the repair under warranty! Aaron, I just hope the wall in your shop came with a warning sticker that says Warning: Do Not Bang Head On This When Dealing With Idiots. Injury to Skull May Result. If it didn't, perhaps you still get a free replacement wall. --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT - photographs part of a notion's cultural history?
There is an interesting BBC story today reporting the following about some photos made by Lewis Carroll, a 19th century English mathematician, writer and photographer who seemed to specialize in photographing little girls (see PDML standard reference book, p. 363.) He is best known, probably, as the author of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland: The UK Government has placed a temporary export ban on a set of rare photographs of the little girl who inspired the Alice in Wonderland stories. These photographs are an important part of our cultural heritage taken by a widely acknowledged pioneer of photography. I very much hope they can stay in this country, said Arts Minister Tessa Blackstone. I know that European countries often invoke such arguments in favor of keeping paintings and other works of art from being exported (often to America, which is where there seems to be strong buyer interest in the photos in question). I have not seen this kind of cultural heritage argument made with respect to photographs before, though. Is this a first? Full story at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_168/1680573.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_168/1680573.stm Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: question on damaged negs
You may have followed my ordeal a while back. I was getting scratches using a PZ-1p. They were intermittent, not on all rolls, not on all frames. Yet, when they occurred it was for long stretches. I wasted a couple of rolls of film and traced it down to the metal springy thing'' inside the camera back door. Scratches lined up with one edge of it. It was silver, bent at about a 30 degree angle (best guess). Anyway, I carefully bent it in the opposite direction of the film, ever so slightly. On the next sacrificed roll of film, the scratches went away and I haven't seen them since. Tremendously aggravating, and a poor design on Pentax's part. Damaging the film while in the camera is tantamount to something. I can't think of what, but it's something really bad. Tom C. - Original Message - From: Delano Mireles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pentax discuss pdml.net [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 7:29 PM Subject: Re: question on damaged negs Tom, They were shot with my zx-5n D on 11/27/01 5:28 PM, aimcompute at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: And the nature of any roll of film is that if there are scratches they will be on your best shots. What camera did you shoot these rolls with Delano? Tom C. - Original Message - From: William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 2:31 PM Subject: Re: question on damaged negs - Original Message - From: Delano Mireles [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 3:06 PM Subject: question on damaged negs Hi all, I've recently run into some problems with negatives I've received back from the local minilabs. There seem to be some scratches on the negatives that I've received back after developments and prints. It is a bit weird because the prints do not show any lines/scratches. This has happened twice and I'm concerned whether it be my camera who is the culprit - maybe scratching the film as it feeds through or the minilab. Is there a way to tell whether the lines/scratches are a result of the minilab or camera? I really feel that it is the minilab because of the prints and the fact that I developed a roll in between taking rolls to two different labs and there are no scratches on that roll. Yet, it seems odd that I would run into the same problem between 2 different labs. How do these minilab processing machines work? Do the employees roll the film on reels and process or does the machine simply take the film and auto roll? Thanks for any help y'all can provide Generally, minilabs run the film one roll at a time by taping the film to a leader card which pulls the film through the machine. Depending on the processor and the amount of maintenace it recieves, these machines can do a lot of damage. It is also possible to scratch the film during printing or sleeving. A good way to see if it is the machine or the camera is to look to see where the scratch ends. If it ends at the last frame exposed, it is most likely camera induced. If it goes right to the end of the film, it is likely the lab. If the scratch comes and goes, likely it is the film processor. A good way to pin down the lab on a scratch is to sacrifice a roll of film, and run it through the camera, then pull the film entirely out of the cassette and check for scratches. If the film is unscratched, run it through the film processor and check again for scratches. If the film still shows no scratches, run it through the printer and check again. Finally run it through the sleever. unrelated to the topic From a lab operators perspective, film scratches are, unfortunately, directly related to how demanding the photographer is. The more demanding the photographer, the more redo prints we make. The more times the film is run through the machinery, the more chance there is of scratching it. I think it is better to take a slightly substandard machine print to avoid scratched negs than to insist that every speck of dust be gone and that the shadow side of Aunt Jemmy isn't slightly magenta. The nature of minilabs is such that it is difficult to provide perfect prints first time. The nature of negatives is that they will scratch in direct proportion to their value. /unrelated to the topic William Robb - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't
PUG comment reminder
Ok, here's the reminder. We're keeping it nice and simple. If you want your PUG photo commented on, feel free to send me a letter *off-list* at [EMAIL PROTECTED] saying Hey, this is insert name here and I want to have my photo commented on for this PUG or something like that, and it'll be done. If you send the letter to Bill Robb or the PUG team, they'll ignore it, since the PUG gallery is a separate entity. You could send a letter to the PDML asking for comments if you want, though of course it's hit and miss whether you'll get any. The commenting process is now initiated by the photographer, so if you don't want your photo commented on, you don't have to do anything: the default is no comments. You'll have to mail me a request for comments each month that you want them, as there could be some months when you don't want comments, for whatever reason. The commentators are: Bruce Dayton, Frank Theriault, Luis Pinar, Lasse Karlsson, Jaume Lahuerta, Gianfranco Irlanda, César Matamoros II, and Cory Waters. If anyone on that list no longer wishes to be a commentator, please let me know off-list ASAP. Of course, if anyone has any questions about how this is going to work, or what this whole commenting thing is about, feel free to email me off-list and I'll fill you in. Thanks for reading! chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
My flame was not about subject matter but about attitude. Obviously you can not see the difference, but then again you censors want to cut in and run everybody elses life. Probably because you don't have one of your own. I do regret having put my respose to Kent on the list, because I had promised myself not to flame anybody but the netcop censors. Yes, vote. Then if Mr Brewer agrees with you to censor the list, I will go elsewhere. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Awfully late PUG comments: Matamoros, Lahuerta, van Wijk
Hi Jan, I must say that I hardly believe that! I'd like to trust you, but... there are clearly two light sources that light the grapes (the natural light shadows are longer and lighter that the black shadows that appear to be the consequence of a closer light). There is no other way I can think unless there was a surface that reflected the sun light (but the result wouldn't have been the same). Are you 100% sure?! Gianfranco - Original Message - From: Jan van Wijk [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:33 PM Subject: Re: Awfully late PUG comments: Matamoros, Lahuerta, van Wijk Thanks for the comment Gianfranco, But There was no flash used in this shot at all ... It is the sun only, still quite low, early in the morning. Regards, JvW On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 06:43:19 -0800 (PST), Gianfranco Irlanda wrote: Sunlit Grapes at Daybreak by Jan van Wijk; If I must be honest, I think there is too much flash aid in this shot. The idea, the natural light, the composition are all good, but there is no good merging between the sunlight and the flashlight. I know, it's not always easy to accomplish a good fill-in, and I can say that I'm not always good in that myself, but the flash induced shadows are really too dark and a bit disturbing. I assume you were holding the camera with the flash on the right (right hand down). I suggest you to try to hold it with the flash on the side opposite to the main light, next time. Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
The weakest link?
My faithful monitor, a 6+ year old NEC XV17+, excited its last electron a week or so a go. I've been making do with my wife's mid-level pc since then (sometimes shifting her monitor to my Mac), but it isn't the same. Text and graphics on her 17 are crisp and clear, but some photos in various web galleries are now very blah-- but were quite nice viewed on my old monitor. I've just realized I can pick my lens/film/paper trying to achieve a certain look (with limited success, but the process is fun). What I can't anticipate or control, it seems, is how well that image will travel to other viewers. Very frustrating. When my new monitor comes, I should be happy with what I'm seeing (once again). Though I'm not sure I'll be very confident that other people are seeing what I am. Dan Scott (aarg.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT - photographs part of a notion's cultural history?
Hi, well, since there are a number of important photographic collections in public galleries in the UK, including Tate Modern, the VA, the National Museum of Film, Photography and Television (or is it the other way round), the RPS collection, the Royal Geographical Society collection, the Science Museum etc. etc., and since these and other institutions have been successful in imposing export bans on non-photographic parts of their collections on heritage grounds, it certainly follows that these grounds should be applicable to photographs. I seem to recall that some Fox Talbot photographs were 'saved for the nation' recently. This is confirmed by Hansard (the proceedings of the House of Commons): http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199697/cmhansrd/vo970319/text/70319w16.htm There is also a daguerrotype of Herschel listed. I'm sure this was not the first instance of this applied to photographs. On a point of pedantry, isn't it Charles Dodgson who was the mathematician photographer, and Lewis Carroll the writer? :o) http://www.people.virginia.edu/~bhs2u/carroll/dodgson.html also includes a photo of Alice Liddel by Julia Margaret Cameron. --- Bob mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, November 28, 2001, 4:03:41 PM, you wrote: There is an interesting BBC story today reporting the following about some photos made by Lewis Carroll, a 19th century English mathematician, writer and photographer who seemed to specialize in photographing little girls (see PDML standard reference book, p. 363.) He is best known, probably, as the author of Alice's Adventures in Wonderland: The UK Government has placed a temporary export ban on a set of rare photographs of the little girl who inspired the Alice in Wonderland stories. These photographs are an important part of our cultural heritage taken by a widely acknowledged pioneer of photography. I very much hope they can stay in this country, said Arts Minister Tessa Blackstone. I know that European countries often invoke such arguments in favor of keeping paintings and other works of art from being exported (often to America, which is where there seems to be strong buyer interest in the photos in question). I have not seen this kind of cultural heritage argument made with respect to photographs before, though. Is this a first? Full story at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_168/1680573.stmhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/entertainment/arts/newsid_168/1680573.stm - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Leonid Meteor pic
Wendy wrote: And here's my solitary meteor http://members.home.net/wbeard11/leonids.html Hi Wendy, This is an odd-looking meteor. On my monitor, at least, it appears like a dotted line instead of a solid streak. Is this a scanning artifact, or were you shooting through a moving fanblade or something? Bill Peifer Rochester, NY - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: what I think of current digital cameras
Hey Mike, I hope I'm not torqueing you off on this thread. We're arguing, but good-naturedly I hope. Mike Johnston wrote: snip The bigger the camera, the better the technical quality snip continued below That is the only point I'm trying to make. , and the harder it is to get dynamic, interesting pictures. Most large format pictures I've seen (and believe me, I saw them endlessly at _PT_) put me to sleep. It's a lot tougher to take good pictures with a 6x7 than with a 35mm. That's why the vast majority of us use 35mm. I wonder why that would be the case. Are you saying it's because they're not as spontaneous? I can see that would be true depending on the subject matter. Please explain more. With my 2438ppi Minolta scanner, I can get a max pixel count on 35mm film around 8mp. So in essence, in some respects, I have an 8mp digital camera for around $400. If one were to move up to one of the 4000ppi 35mm film scanners, then you have a pixel count over 21mp. So even if there was a 6mp Pentax MZ-D out there, I could easily outperform it (in raw numbers) with 35mm film and a cheap scanner. If there's anything I rant on and on about consistently, it's photography by the numbers. Raw or otherwise. I'm not saying we should do that. Just using the universal language of mathematics to point out some cold hard facts. Pixel count ISN'T everything. It certainly isn't. And yet it's THE THING most (if not all) digital equipment manufacturers tout the loudest and longest. Either they believe it's very important or they're pulling our legs (or both). It's a spec, an important spec. It's a general indicator. A camera/scanner with Xmp can be compared prior to purchase, with a camera/scanner of Ymp. Let's say we were comparing specs on audio equipment X-% total harmonic distortion at Y-watts RMS, isn't the only thing to consider. But it's probably the first thing we would look at (I always take into consideration the color of the LCD/LED displays... I hate red or orange ones :-) ). Now I have to put the audio equipment in a closet, so my wife doesn't have to see it. She doesn't get that technology can be a decorating style. :-) I agree that more information is not a prerequisite to a good photograph, but it doesn't hurt. I disagree. Sometimes, it CAN hurt. Trivial but common example: a photographer makes the decision to throw the background in a portrait out of focus. Less information; better picture. I didn't mean information in the sense of composition. I meant information in the sense of recorded material. Pixels, square cm, etc. I've tossed and turned over whether I would purchase a 67 II or the AF 645N. I came to the conclusion that if the main reason I wanted MF was to increase media size, then a 6 X 7 was the way to go, why stop at 645? Good point. As I said in a recent post, I think 6x7 is probably the best compromise between shooting convenience and printing craftsmanship. If I could have everything I wanted, I'd have a Mamiya 7II. You must admit that's an extreme exception to the rule, a novelty. I do admit it. I used it as an example to point out that even extreme lack of information still doesn't disqualify photographs from working as art. we may be more of the same mind, than we think (of course this has mostly been mental exercise). :-) Well, in arguing for the position I've been arguing for, I'm certainly not arguing in favor of it above all else. I'm far from being against excellent lenses, good film, context, good definition, extended tonal range, color accuracy, and sharp detail. I'm merely saying that these things are a CHOICE, rather than a Universally accepted DEFINITION of what good photographs must be. And I agree with you whole-heartedly. I never meant to imply anything else (Are you my wife?). g. I have only been (or thought I was, or meant to be) using the term quality in it's technical sense. The decision to use digital or film, is largely a personal one and is based on what the desired output will be. I think digital is the industry's response to the instant self-gratifying impulses of society at large. I want to see it now, not later. (The above was only a joke... probably... I think... yes it definitely was.) Hope I haven't been too aggravating. If you ever make it out we'll drink some Slibovitz together. Tom C. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
Does this scanner just scan 35 mm or will it do 2 1/4 Just 35mm. It's the baby of the line... HTH Cotty ___ Personal email traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] MacAds traffic to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Check out the UK Macintosh ads http://www.macads.co.uk - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: where to buy film
At 08:58 AM 11/15/01 -0500, Cory Waters wrote: Just a poll: Where do you buy your film? I buy slide film in bulk from BH - several bricks ordered in the winter (to assure transport in cold weather) and then it goes into the deep freeze. I save several dollars per roll purchasing it this way, compared to the outrageous prices at the local camera store. Print film I get locally, though if I used much specialty print film (Portra, Supra, etc) I'd probably also get it in bulk via the mail. One thing about mail order - my first experience with it was ordering a brick of Velvia in July. It was hotter than blazes out when the UPS truck arrived, and the box was actually warm to the touch as the driver handed it to me. Since then I've worried about heat damage in transit, and figure one winter purchase each year is a good course. - MCC - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: When good enough ain't: was Re: what I think of current digital cameras
I using digital and getting excellent results. I really don't care about the sophistry that's being bandied about: I'm doing large prints (13 x 19) taken with digitals, and they are not just good enough, the quality is great. You can advance the personal insult argument and claim that I have low standards, settle for good enough, am too stupid to know the difference, etc. I don't care. I have exacting standards and have been quite pleasantly surprised by the quality of digitals. You can also offer up theoretical 'proofs' as to why digital is inferior. I really don't care. I've seen the results and the 'proofs' are wrong. I'm reminded of a photo.net discussion some time ago where someone asked about the Pentax 500mm f4.5. He got a slew of answers, almost entirely from people who never used the lens, explaining why it would surely be a sub standard piece. I've used the lens. I knew they were wrong. The same holds true with a lot of the sophistry regarding digitals. My use of digitals is really quite limited, and there's a lot that cannot be done with it now. I think people should use the formate and media that meets their needs the best. For some that's 35mm, for some that's MF or large format, for others that's digital. My small format digital provides a DOF in macros that's almost impossible to get with a 35mm. But it can hardly be used to selectively focus on one subject, with a blurred background. It has strengths, it has weaknesses, just like any other format. But the basic quality of the images is every bit comparable to the best scan I can get using a 2820 dpi scanner and 35mm film. The only aspect about digital that I find worrisome is Pentax's lagging adoption of it. Their failure to adopt to bayonet mounts a quarter century ago result in them dropping from a dominant position to that a second tier. Slow and late adaptation of autofocus has knocked them back further. And failure to adopt to digital may be the death blow. And with them goes my investment in Pentax 35mm gear. - MCC At 02:19 AM 11/26/01 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 11/25/01 8:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't sit around and dismiss it because it's not like the old tools you have at hand. One of the first things I learned back in 1982 when I was first introduced to writing code for computers was the phrase: GI=GO (garbage in equals garbage out). Not that digital is garbage, at least not my own device(s), but when making a print from small format digital files, small format digital simply does not input as much raw data as film. Scanning a negative or slide, (and realizing most under $10,000 printers can't begin to utilize ~all~ the inputted small format film data), gives you an embarrassment of riches datawise. Not so with small format digital. Perhaps then, digital devotees ought to simply note that, beside using a Polaroid, small format digital is another quick and easy way of making images, rather than Digital's supporters seeing (promoting) small format digital as a direct competitor to small format (35mm) film, which it most certainly isn't. ***Current and future small format digital cameras hold the same unenviable position to 35mm film as small format film does to medium format film. More raw data makes better, denser prints. Scan small format digital images by whatever method or machine you choose, then drum scan 35mm negatives or slides and film wins hands down. Further, digitize a small format film drum scan, then output it digitally and the comparisons weigh even more heavily in favor of film. You can make any comparisons you want, as long as you realize you won't (can't) achieve near the same data input from small format digital what you get from 35mm film, the exact same discussion steadily raging between medium Vs. small format film supporters. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - - - - - - - - - - Mark Cassino Kalamazoo, MI [EMAIL PROTECTED] - - - - - - - - - - Photos: http://www.markcassino.com - - - - - - - - - - - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
On the subject of scanners. Does anyone have any experience with the Canoscan FS2720U or FS2710. I am new to this list (as well as new to digital scanning), so if this has recently been discussed I apologize. I plan on scanning mostly color slides and some color negs. I think I have narrowed it down to the following: 1. FS2720 2. HP S20 3. Minolta Dual Image II Right now I'm leaning toward the Canon. Thoughts comments help appreciated. -- Thanks, Michael == Michael Beacom http://www.optimumdata.com/?sid=4 Optimum Data Inc. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5018 Leavenworth St. Voice: +1 877 312 6517 Omaha, NE 68106 FAX: +1 402 575 2011 Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 04:16 AM, Cotty wrote: without the plastic feel the Sprintscan had, I was stunned at the difference in build quality between the SprintScan 4000 and the SprintScan 120. The 120 makes the 4000 look like a cheap toy. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT - photographs part of a notion's cultural history?
Bob Walkden wrote: I seem to recall that some Fox Talbot photographs were 'saved for the nation' recently. This is confirmed by Hansard (the proceedings of the House of Commons): http://www.parliament.the-stationery-office.co.uk/pa/cm199697/cmhansrd/vo970319/text/70319w16.htm There is also a daguerrotype of Herschel listed. I'm sure this was not the first instance of this applied to photographs. Fortunately we already have some of Carroll's work here -- I recall seeing something at Museum of Modern Art a while ago. Talbot, too. On a point of pedantry, isn't it Charles Dodgson who was the mathematician photographer, and Lewis Carroll the writer? :o) Yes. Same person using different names. (He also was a Reverend, I assume C of E.) Bob - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The weakest link?
Now, if we could get together and buy a good monitor calibration package, we could send it around and all get our monitors calibrated. Probably wouldn't work for all of us, though. The kind I mean isn't just software but includes a colorimeter, too. Len --- -Original Message- From: Dan Scott [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:40 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: The weakest link? My faithful monitor, a 6+ year old NEC XV17+, excited its last electron a week or so a go. I've been making do with my wife's mid-level pc since then (sometimes shifting her monitor to my Mac), but it isn't the same. Text and graphics on her 17 are crisp and clear, but some photos in various web galleries are now very blah-- but were quite nice viewed on my old monitor. I've just realized I can pick my lens/film/paper trying to achieve a certain look (with limited success, but the process is fun). What I can't anticipate or control, it seems, is how well that image will travel to other viewers. Very frustrating. When my new monitor comes, I should be happy with what I'm seeing (once again). Though I'm not sure I'll be very confident that other people are seeing what I am. Dan Scott (aarg.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: When good enough ain't: was Re: what I think of currentdigital cameras
Hi Mark ... While the results I've seen don't cause me to wax ecstatic over digital camera/print combinations, I have to agree with your comments wrt quality. If you like it, and gets the job done for you, all the technical reasons in the world why it can't be are meaningless. Whether I, or anyone else, sees the same quality in your prints that you do, or in their own prints, is also meaningless. If you're happy that's all that matters. I, too, am concerned that Pentax will soon be an also-ran. It's a shame. I believe their marketing is hurting them more than their product line. Shops around these parts don't carry a full line of their products, and many people are not even familiar with some of the great cameras and lenses Pentax produces. There are people here who know nothing about the LTD series lenses, and who have never seen an LX, and didn't know Pentax makes filters, etc. There are a couple of stores here that have never seen the MZ-S. Mark Cassino wrote: I using digital and getting excellent results. I really don't care about the sophistry that's being bandied about: I'm doing large prints (13 x 19) taken with digitals, and they are not just good enough, the quality is great. You can advance the personal insult argument and claim that I have low standards, settle for good enough, am too stupid to know the difference, etc. I don't care. I have exacting standards and have been quite pleasantly surprised by the quality of digitals. You can also offer up theoretical 'proofs' as to why digital is inferior. I really don't care. I've seen the results and the 'proofs' are wrong. I'm reminded of a photo.net discussion some time ago where someone asked about the Pentax 500mm f4.5. He got a slew of answers, almost entirely from people who never used the lens, explaining why it would surely be a sub standard piece. I've used the lens. I knew they were wrong. The same holds true with a lot of the sophistry regarding digitals. My use of digitals is really quite limited, and there's a lot that cannot be done with it now. I think people should use the formate and media that meets their needs the best. For some that's 35mm, for some that's MF or large format, for others that's digital. My small format digital provides a DOF in macros that's almost impossible to get with a 35mm. But it can hardly be used to selectively focus on one subject, with a blurred background. It has strengths, it has weaknesses, just like any other format. But the basic quality of the images is every bit comparable to the best scan I can get using a 2820 dpi scanner and 35mm film. The only aspect about digital that I find worrisome is Pentax's lagging adoption of it. Their failure to adopt to bayonet mounts a quarter century ago result in them dropping from a dominant position to that a second tier. Slow and late adaptation of autofocus has knocked them back further. And failure to adopt to digital may be the death blow. And with them goes my investment in Pentax 35mm gear. - MCC At 02:19 AM 11/26/01 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 11/25/01 8:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't sit around and dismiss it because it's not like the old tools you have at hand. One of the first things I learned back in 1982 when I was first introduced to writing code for computers was the phrase: GI=GO (garbage in equals garbage out). Not that digital is garbage, at least not my own device(s), but when making a print from small format digital files, small format digital simply does not input as much raw data as film. Scanning a negative or slide, (and realizing most under $10,000 printers can't begin to utilize ~all~ the inputted small format film data), gives you an embarrassment of riches datawise. Not so with small format digital. Perhaps then, digital devotees ought to simply note that, beside using a Polaroid, small format digital is another quick and easy way of making images, rather than Digital's supporters seeing (promoting) small format digital as a direct competitor to small format (35mm) film, which it most certainly isn't. ***Current and future small format digital cameras hold the same unenviable position to 35mm film as small format film does to medium format film. More raw data makes better, denser prints. Scan small format digital images by whatever method or machine you choose, then drum scan 35mm negatives or slides and film wins hands down. Further, digitize a small format film drum scan, then output it digitally and the comparisons weigh even more heavily in favor of film. You can make any comparisons you want, as long as you realize you won't (can't) achieve near the same data input from small format digital what you get from 35mm film, the exact same discussion steadily raging between medium Vs. small format film supporters. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This
Re: SuperProgram aperture coupling problems
--- John Fieber [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Executive summary: SuperProgram chronically under exposes (read: load 400 film, set camera to 200 to get decent exposures) and great inconsistency in shutter priority or full program modes. I suspect something amiss with the aperture coupling...the body isn't reading the lens right and/or isn't stopping down right. Camera goes in for service (Precision Camera Repair in Chicopee MA) and comes back having been cleaned and some shutter bits twiddled but no change in the symptoms. Potenciometer in camera which reads mechanicaly aperture from lens should be change and everything will be ok! My camera was serviced 3 times before local camera repair shop diagnosed problem. Happy servicing! Andreas Wirtz Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: Take cover!
Your advice still matters Tom Dave Begin Original Message From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:22:47 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Take cover! My flame was not about subject matter but about attitude. Obviously you can not see the difference, but then again you censors want to cut in and run everybody elses life. Probably because you don't have one of your own. I do regret having put my respose to Kent on the list, because I had promised myself not to flame anybody but the netcop censors. Yes, vote. Then if Mr Brewer agrees with you to censor the list, I will go elsewhere. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - Original Message - From: Mike Johnston [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, November 27, 2001 11:32 PM Subject: Take cover! Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
Key thing in a lot of specs is the dynamic range. A lot of the earlier scanners were 3.6 and below which would not always capture the full range of a negative or slide. Right now 4.2 seems to be the best and according to something I read this is right about the range of slide film I think. I think this is more important than the difference between a 2400dpi and a 2800dpi scanner by far. Some of the 4000+dpi scanners are getting down in price these days also. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Michael Beacom Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:15 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up... On the subject of scanners. Does anyone have any experience with the Canoscan FS2720U or FS2710. I am new to this list (as well as new to digital scanning), so if this has recently been discussed I apologize. I plan on scanning mostly color slides and some color negs. I think I have narrowed it down to the following: 1. FS2720 2. HP S20 3. Minolta Dual Image II Right now I'm leaning toward the Canon. Thoughts comments help appreciated. -- Thanks, Michael == Michael Beacom http://www.optimumdata.com/?sid=4 Optimum Data Inc. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 5018 Leavenworth St. Voice: +1 877 312 6517 Omaha, NE 68106 FAX: +1 402 575 2011 Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 04:16 AM, Cotty wrote: without the plastic feel the Sprintscan had, I was stunned at the difference in build quality between the SprintScan 4000 and the SprintScan 120. The 120 makes the 4000 look like a cheap toy. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify the system manager. This footnote also confirms that this email message has been swept by MIMEsweeper for the presence of computer viruses. www.mimesweeper.com ** - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: When good enough ain't: was Re: what I think of currentdigital cameras
After looking at the specs of the coming Canon EOS-1D I can see that anybody currently using a D30 in an action environment will immediately sell it to get the new one. There is a big difference between 3fps at a 5 frame burst compared to 8fps at a 16-21 frame burst. With my current investment in lenses I keep hoping for a Minolta Maxxum 9-D or 7-D but Minolta is dragging their feet just like Pentax. Kent Gittings -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of Shel Belinkoff Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:32 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: When good enough ain't: was Re: what I think of currentdigital cameras Hi Mark ... While the results I've seen don't cause me to wax ecstatic over digital camera/print combinations, I have to agree with your comments wrt quality. If you like it, and gets the job done for you, all the technical reasons in the world why it can't be are meaningless. Whether I, or anyone else, sees the same quality in your prints that you do, or in their own prints, is also meaningless. If you're happy that's all that matters. I, too, am concerned that Pentax will soon be an also-ran. It's a shame. I believe their marketing is hurting them more than their product line. Shops around these parts don't carry a full line of their products, and many people are not even familiar with some of the great cameras and lenses Pentax produces. There are people here who know nothing about the LTD series lenses, and who have never seen an LX, and didn't know Pentax makes filters, etc. There are a couple of stores here that have never seen the MZ-S. Mark Cassino wrote: I using digital and getting excellent results. I really don't care about the sophistry that's being bandied about: I'm doing large prints (13 x 19) taken with digitals, and they are not just good enough, the quality is great. You can advance the personal insult argument and claim that I have low standards, settle for good enough, am too stupid to know the difference, etc. I don't care. I have exacting standards and have been quite pleasantly surprised by the quality of digitals. You can also offer up theoretical 'proofs' as to why digital is inferior. I really don't care. I've seen the results and the 'proofs' are wrong. I'm reminded of a photo.net discussion some time ago where someone asked about the Pentax 500mm f4.5. He got a slew of answers, almost entirely from people who never used the lens, explaining why it would surely be a sub standard piece. I've used the lens. I knew they were wrong. The same holds true with a lot of the sophistry regarding digitals. My use of digitals is really quite limited, and there's a lot that cannot be done with it now. I think people should use the formate and media that meets their needs the best. For some that's 35mm, for some that's MF or large format, for others that's digital. My small format digital provides a DOF in macros that's almost impossible to get with a 35mm. But it can hardly be used to selectively focus on one subject, with a blurred background. It has strengths, it has weaknesses, just like any other format. But the basic quality of the images is every bit comparable to the best scan I can get using a 2820 dpi scanner and 35mm film. The only aspect about digital that I find worrisome is Pentax's lagging adoption of it. Their failure to adopt to bayonet mounts a quarter century ago result in them dropping from a dominant position to that a second tier. Slow and late adaptation of autofocus has knocked them back further. And failure to adopt to digital may be the death blow. And with them goes my investment in Pentax 35mm gear. - MCC At 02:19 AM 11/26/01 -0500, you wrote: In a message dated 11/25/01 8:43:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Don't sit around and dismiss it because it's not like the old tools you have at hand. One of the first things I learned back in 1982 when I was first introduced to writing code for computers was the phrase: GI=GO (garbage in equals garbage out). Not that digital is garbage, at least not my own device(s), but when making a print from small format digital files, small format digital simply does not input as much raw data as film. Scanning a negative or slide, (and realizing most under $10,000 printers can't begin to utilize ~all~ the inputted small format film data), gives you an embarrassment of riches datawise. Not so with small format digital. Perhaps then, digital devotees ought to simply note that, beside using a Polaroid, small format digital is another quick and easy way of making images, rather than Digital's supporters seeing (promoting) small format digital as a direct competitor to small format (35mm) film, which it most certainly isn't. ***Current and future small format digital cameras hold the same unenviable position to 35mm film as small format film does to
Re[2]: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
Michael, I used to have the HP S20 and now own the Minolta Scan Dual II. Of the two, I prefer the Minolta. Both scanners have benefited by using Hamrick's Vuescan software (www.hamrick.com) - especially with slides. Sorry I can't comment on the Canon. For me, one of the pluses to the Minolta was USB connection. I'm not sure what the Canon has. If it is SCSI and you are not already equipped for it, be prepared for an additional cost and possibly a bit of work to get it running. Bruce Dayton Wednesday, November 28, 2001, 9:14:42 AM, you wrote: MB On the subject of scanners. MB Does anyone have any experience with the Canoscan FS2720U or FS2710. MB I am new to this list (as well as new to digital scanning), so if this has recently been discussed I MB apologize. MB I plan on scanning mostly color slides and some color negs. MB I think I have narrowed it down to the following: MB 1. FS2720 MB 2. HP S20 MB 3. Minolta Dual Image II MB Right now I'm leaning toward the Canon. MB Thoughts comments help appreciated. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG News
Thanks bud. tv William Robb wrote: Greetings: The December 2001 gallery will be the last gallery I work on as maintainer. Adelheid Kirschten will be taking over stewardship of the PUG after I have the next gallery finalized. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re[2]: Remembrance Day pics and poetry up...
Michael, Only having seen ICE in action and not owning a scanner that uses it, my comments must be taken with a grain of salt. When scanning with ICE on, the scan time is longer. It has to scan one more pass to get the surface defects. I am also told and have read that it softens the image slightly. I do recall John Francis stating that if the image was important, he scanned without ICE and cleaned it up himself. My guess is that ICE is most valueable when scanning large quantities where you would not want to take the time to clean up each one. If your scans are more individual, it might not be that useful. One other area to look at, that you may not have thought of is batch scanning capability. The ability to tell the scanner to scan a number of images and then let it do it unattended can be important. That is one of the reasons I bought the Scan Dual II over the Scan Elite (has ICE). Many scanners are one frame at a time and you have to sit and nurse them. Bruce Dayton Wednesday, November 28, 2001, 11:13:15 AM, you wrote: MB Bruce, MB Thanks for the input. MB Thats a vote in favor of the minolta. MB I agree, I would prefer USB if possible but if everyone told me the scsi model MB was superior I would go for it. I have read mixed reviews of the minolta. MB I think the biggest complaint was the lack of ICE or similar dust/scratch removal technology. MB Do you think it really needs this/Do you have problems with dust etc? MB Anyone else recommend the Minolta, or have info on the canon models? - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: what I think of current digital cameras
In a message dated 11/28/01 12:08:09 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's a lot tougher to take good pictures with a 6x7 than with a 35mm. That's why the vast majority of us use 35mm. I wonder why that would be the case. Are you saying it's because they're not as spontaneous? I can see that would be true depending on the subject matter. Please explain more. With the right finder/lens combination, my 67ll was as fast to point as any 35mm. But shooting 6x7 for the most part is a contemplative endeavor, with no need to hurry, unless one is trying to capture a gorgeous setting sun. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: The weakest link?
Patrick White wrote: Dan Scott wrote: (sometimes shifting her monitor to my Mac), but it isn't the same. Text and graphics on her 17 are crisp and clear, but some photos in various web galleries are now very blah-- but were quite nice viewed on my old monitor. snip One of these days, some bright person will get around to designing a popular image encoding format that stores the image data and the gamma that that data was encoded with. Then machines that know they use a different gamma can adjust the pixel values to give a close approximation of what the original image was supposed to look like. I believe the PNG graphics format does that. I'm not sure because I don't use that format (pretty much no one does) and, like GIF, it's supposedly not very well suited to photographic images. As far as the monitor quality issue raised by the original poster, you might also want to check that the PC in question is set for 24-bit or 32-bit true color rather than 16-bit high color. The difference isn't obvious with a lot of images, but is *very* apparent with others. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Film Roll Call Results UPDATE 33
These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list, right to me. 2 - You must choose your favorite emulsion (35 and 120/220 allowed. Color and b and w) 3 - You must choose ONLY ONE (color print OR slide OR b and w, etc). 4 - You must have personal experience with it. WINNER by now: Tri-X and Velvia with 9 votes. Members: 93 COLOR Slide: Kodak Kodachrome 25 (2) Fuji Velvia (9) Agfa RSX II 50 (1) Kodak Kodachrome 64 (4) Kodak Elitechrome Extra Color 100 (3) Kodak Ektachrome 100 VS (3) Kodak Ektachrome 100 SW (2) Kodak Ektachrome 100 (1) Fuji Sensia II 100 (3) Fuji Provia 100F (7) Kodak Kodachrome 200 (1) Kodak Ektachrome E200 (2) Fuji Provia 400F (1) COLOR Print: Konica Impressa 50 (1) Kodak Supra 100 (1) Kodak Royal 100 (1) Fuji Reala 100 (2) Agfa XRG 100 (1) Kodak Portra 160 NC (1) Fuji Superia 200 (1) Agfa HDC Plus 200 (1) Kodak Max 400 (1) Kodak Ektapress PJ 400 (1) Kodak Supra 400 (4) Fuji Press 400 (1) Fuji Superia 400 (1) Fuji NPH 400 (1) Kodak Portra 800 (1) Fuji Press 800 (3) Kodak PJC 1600 (1) BLACK AND WHITE: Agfapan APX 25 (2) Agfapan APX 100 (1) Ilford Pan F (2) Ilford Delta 100 (3) Kodak Plus-X (2) Ilford FP4 Plus (3) Agfa Scala 200x (1) Kodak Tri-X (9) Kodak T400 CN (1) Kodak Porta 400 BW (1) Fuji Neopan 400 (1) Agfa APX 400 (1) Ilford HP5 (1) Ilford XP2 (1) Konica VX 400 (1) INFRARED: Kodak HIE (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Remembrance Day pics and poetry= 20up...
Michael Beacom wrote: Thanks for the input. Thats a vote in favor of the minolta. I agree, I would prefer USB if possible but if everyone told me the scsi model was superior I would go for it. I have read mixed reviews of the minolta. I think the biggest complaint was the lack of ICE or similar dust/scratch removal technology. Do you think it really needs this/Do you have problems with dust etc? Anyone else recommend the Minolta, or have info on the canon models? If you're doing high-res scans (and why else would you want a film scanner!), SCSI will be *much* faster than USB. I'd never consider a USB scanner for film scanning because of this. It really adds up when you're scanning a batch of slides. I get by fine without the dust/scratch removal technology on my Minolta Scan Multi but there times when I really wish I had it available. If you're scanning a lot of slides or negs, I imagine it could be a huge time saver. -- Mark Roberts www.robertstech.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: When good enough ain't: was Re: what I think of current digital cameras
In a message dated 11/28/01 12:13:52 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: But it can hardly be used to selectively focus on one subject, with a blurred background. It has strengths, it has weaknesses, just like any other format. But the basic quality of the images is every bit comparable to the best scan I can get using a 2820 dpi scanner and 35mm film. I find one thing that is a constant feature with quality taking (making?) instruments: as you point out, a camera with which the shooter cannot blur the background is no more than a sophisticated point and shoot*ps*. *ps*Again, for ~me~, an $800 PS (yep, they make such a beast) which won't let me move the aperture, defeats the purpose of my making photos. ***a movable aperture make the difference in all formats. Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: Take cover!
Aye to Dan. Frits Wüthrich Dan Scott wrote: Aye. I'd like to include religion, politics in general, characterization of nations and peoples, and which OS is the least poor copy of the Mac OS among the topics best left for off list or relegated to other lists. g Dan Scott [EMAIL PROTECTED] Okay, since opening salvos in a gathering flame war have now been fired by both sides, I move that we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. All in favor say aye. Aye, --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Firewire scanner?
I decided in favor of USB2 and Firewire for my next round of peripherals, including a new scanner. Which Firewire scanner though? Mafud [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: November PUG comments: Maguire, Peifer
Hi Luis, Thanks for the kind words. I agree with you about the background -- it is quite distracting. I was somewhat restricted on vantage points on this shot, and I wonder if DOF would have been shallow enough at f/4 to blur the background sufficiently? To maintain the 1/125 sec shutter speed, this would have required either a slower film or an 8x (three stops) ND filter. The more I look at some of my past shooting situations, the more I think a set of ND filters might be a good idea in many instances. Thanks again, and take care. Bill Peifer Rochester, NY -Original Message- From: Luis Pinar [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 9:03 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: November PUG comments: Maguire, Peifer Support by Mick Maguire, USA: I like the subject - 19th century trains and bridges have appeal. Massive beams, lots of rivets, built to last. Definitely pre-electronic stuff. This shot is effective in showing that.Good DOF and textures on the anvil-shaped piece. The toning suits the subject. Only minor objections: the hot area at right and the wall at left not being paralell with the border. Swinging for the Bleachers by Bill Peifer, USA: What Bill said-I like this shot for the same reasons, especially the expression. The blurred arms convey motion.I'd prefer the background a bit more out of focus though, as it is somewhat busy IMO. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PDML Digiital Printing Challenge
With three submissions in I have to say that the new generation of inkjet printers is far better than I thought they would be. Also it is already clear that operator skill is a big factor in print quality. Printer ratings: Epson Photo 1270. D+ Epson Photo EX.E Canon S-800. E+ PRINTER QUALITY RATINGS: A. Awful (Why did they bother to send this.) B. Better. (Comparable to a newspaper color photo.) C. Cool (A very nice print, but not photographic in appearance. Comparable to a magazine photo.) D. Delightful (Nearly photographic quality. Comparable to a glossy magazine photo.) E. Excellent (Equal to a good mini-lab print. No halftoning visible to the naked eye.) F. Fantastic (Equal to a custom print by an expert printer. No halftoning visible with a 4x loupe.) --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
PDML Digital Print Challenge (REPOST)
There is still time to get your submission in before the 15th of December. REPOST: Ok, I have given Aaron's expansion of my challenge some thought. I just wanted to see a truly photographic quality digital print from a consumer inkjet. I have never seen one though I have seen many that I was told were you can not tell from a photo. Aaron has given me an expanded idea, and a small service I can give back to the list. So here's the deal. Send my your best digital print from a consumer printer along with the brand and model of your printer and of course your name and e-mail address. I will publish a monthly list of those printers rated based on the best print I have received to date. The ratings will be: PRINTER QUALITY RATINGS: A. Awful (Why did they bother to send this.) B. Better. (Comparable to a newspaper color photo.) C. Cool (A very nice print, but not photographic in appearance. Comparable to a magazine photo.) D. Delightful (Nearly photographic quality. Comparable to a glossy magazine photo.) E. Excellent (Equal to a good mini-lab print. No halftone dots visible to the naked eye.) F. Fantastic (Equal to a custom print by an expert printer. No halftone dots visible with a 4x loupe.) I will compile a list of the printers that have been submitted along with the highest rating a print from that printer has achieved. I won't publish anything about lower rated prints, as I think we are interested in the potential capability of the particular printer rather than the skill of the operator. However, upon request I will provide the submitter the rating of his print via personal e-mail. My reference print that I will compare your digital prints to is the mini-lab print of our own Tom Van Veen that he put up on his website. It is a competent mini-lab print with a full range of tonalities from black to white so should make a good reference and insure that I am comparing all prints to the same standard. I will also publish here on the list the names of the submitters of the three best prints I have received each year conferring upon them the title of PDML Master Digital Photographic Printer. A high honor indeed. Deadline for 2001 will be December 15, so send your print ASAP. Send your print via snail mail to: PDML Challenge c/o Tom Rittenhouse 4018 Hiddenbrook Dr Charlotte, NC 28205 USA 1. All rights to the photo remain the photographers. 2. It will not be published with out specific permission of the photographer. 3. It will not be returned unless adequate return postage is included. (Being digital you can easily make another copy.) --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PDML Digiital Printing Challenge
Tom Rittenhouse wrote: With three submissions in I have to say that the new generation of inkjet printers is far better than I thought they would be. Also it is already clear that operator skill is a big factor in print quality. I bet. The Canon is Mike's, right? tv Printer ratings: Epson Photo 1270. D+ Epson Photo EX.E Canon S-800. E+ PRINTER QUALITY RATINGS: A. Awful (Why did they bother to send this.) B. Better. (Comparable to a newspaper color photo.) C. Cool (A very nice print, but not photographic in appearance. Comparable to a magazine photo.) D. Delightful (Nearly photographic quality. Comparable to a glossy magazine photo.) E. Excellent (Equal to a good mini-lab print. No halftoning visible to the naked eye.) F. Fantastic (Equal to a custom print by an expert printer. No halftoning visible with a 4x loupe.) --graywolf - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
OT: PUG News - Intro
*LOL* I have been so quiet, because my client refused to post to the PDML so I lurked most of the time. But since I took on this task I persuaded it to behave... I used to have a ME super bought around 1981, it has been a very good camera travelling with me all around the world. But one day it didn't like travelling anymore and started to meter all pics one or two stops to low. And since I am a person always forgetting these things I decided to give it in good hands (my brothers wife) and there it has a quiet live now. For myself I bought a MZ-5 and two zoom lenses 28-70 and 70-210 (bad girl). Over the years and several birthdays and Xmases I accumulated another MZ-5n, some more lenses and a tripot. Now I try to remember all the good advice from the PDML (and my boyfriend) but stress the try. My pics are most of the time underexposed or the lamppost is in the middle of the composition and what else you can think of. But gradually it gets better and some of my efforts can be viewed at http://www.kirschten.de I wouldn't call me a beginner but a forgetter. But don't worry I won't forget the PUG though. I work for a software company - testing software, driving my collegues nuts because I tend to forget there as well and produce the errors good users wouldn't find. I live in Germany (Munich) with my boyfriend and about 20 computers (all his) and lot's of books and slides in a too small appartment. Cheers Adelheid -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tom Sent: Mittwoch, 28. November 2001 23:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PUG News Hi Adelheid, thanks for taking on this task. I don't think I've seen you post here much...how 'bout an intro? tv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill did a great job, I have a very well maintained WebSite at my hands now. I'll have a hard time improving it. ;) All the best Bill and take the time to submit to the PUG :))) :) Adelheid - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Re: PDML Digiital Printing Challenge
Nope mine. Dave Brooks Begin Original Message From: tom [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:01:55 -0800 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PDML Digiital Printing Challenge Tom Rittenhouse wrote: With three submissions in I have to say that the new generation of inkjet printers is far better than I thought they would be. Also it is already clear that operator skill is a big factor in print quality. I bet. The Canon is Mike's, right? tv Printer ratings: Epson Photo 1270. D+ Epson Photo EX. E Canon S-800. E+ PRINTER QUALITY RATINGS: A. Awful (Why did they bother to send this.) B. Better. (Comparable to a newspaper color photo.) C. Cool (A very nice print, but not photographic in appearance. Comparable to a magazine photo.) D. Delightful (Nearly photographic quality. Comparable to a glossy magazine photo.) E. Excellent (Equal to a good mini-lab print. No halftoning visible to the naked eye.) F. Fantastic (Equal to a custom print by an expert printer. No halftoning visible with a 4x loupe.) --graywolf - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . End Original Message Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Film Roll Call Results UPDATE 33
These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list, right to me. 2 - You must choose your favorite emulsion (35 and 120/220 allowed. Color and b and w) 3 - You must choose ONLY ONE (color print OR slide OR b and w, etc). 4 - You must have personal experience with it. WINNER by now: Tri-X and Velvia with 9 votes. Members: 93 COLOR Slide: Kodak Kodachrome 25 (2) Fuji Velvia (9) Agfa RSX II 50 (1) Kodak Kodachrome 64 (4) Kodak Elitechrome Extra Color 100 (3) Kodak Ektachrome 100 VS (3) Kodak Ektachrome 100 SW (2) Kodak Ektachrome 100 (1) Fuji Sensia II 100 (3) Fuji Provia 100F (7) Kodak Kodachrome 200 (1) Kodak Ektachrome E200 (2) Fuji Provia 400F (1) COLOR Print: Konica Impressa 50 (1) Kodak Supra 100 (1) Kodak Royal 100 (1) Fuji Reala 100 (2) Agfa XRG 100 (1) Kodak Portra 160 NC (1) Fuji Superia 200 (1) Agfa HDC Plus 200 (1) Kodak Max 400 (1) Kodak Ektapress PJ 400 (1) Kodak Supra 400 (4) Fuji Press 400 (1) Fuji Superia 400 (1) Fuji NPH 400 (1) Kodak Portra 800 (1) Fuji Press 800 (3) Kodak PJC 1600 (1) BLACK AND WHITE: Agfapan APX 25 (2) Agfapan APX 100 (1) Ilford Pan F (2) Ilford Delta 100 (3) Kodak Plus-X (2) Ilford FP4 Plus (3) Agfa Scala 200x (1) Kodak Tri-X (9) Kodak T400 CN (1) Kodak Porta 400 BW (1) Fuji Neopan 400 (1) Agfa APX 400 (1) Ilford HP5 (1) Ilford XP2 (1) Konica VX 400 (1) INFRARED: Kodak HIE (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Lens Roll Call Results UPDATE 41
These are the conditions: 1 - You must answer off-list exclusively. On-list votes will not be included. 2 - You must choose Your Favorite Pentax Lens. ONLY ONE. Yes, ONLY ONE. 3 - It must be original, no third-party allowed. 4 - Primes and zooms. 5 - You must specifiy: Tak, Super Tak, SMC Tak, K, M, A, F, FA, etc. 6 - You must have personal experience with it, no matter if you have it, had it, lost it, sold it, borrowed it, but you must have used it. If not it would be a wish list. First Place (10 votes): FA* 24 2 Members: 142 K 15 3.5 (2) A 15 3.5 (1) A 20 2.8 (1) K 24 2.8 (3) A 24 2.8 (2) FA* 24 2 (10) K 28 3.5 (1) K 28 3.5 Shift (1) M 28 2.8 (1) A 28 2 (1) A 28 2.8 (1) K 35 3.5 (1) FA 35 2 (2) M 40 2.8 (4) FA 43 1.9 Limited (2) SuperTak 50 1.4 (1) SMC Tak 50 1.4 (3) SMC Tak 55 1.8 (2) K 50 1.2 (1) K 50 1.4 (1) M 50 1.4 (4) M 50 1.7 (4) M 50 4 Macro (1) A 50 1.4 (5) A 50 1.7 (1) F 50 1.4 (1) F 50 1.7 (1) FA 50 1.4 (2) FA 50 1.7 (1) K 55 1.8 (2) FA 77 1.8 Limited (3) SMC Tak 85 1.8 (3) SMC Tak 85 1.9 (1) K 85 1.8 (3) M 85 2 (1) A* 85 1.4 (2) FA* 85 1.4 (2) M 100 2.8 (1) M 100 4 Dental Macro (1) A 100 2.8 (1) A 100 2.8 Macro (4) F 100 2.8 (1) F 100 2.8 Macro (2) FA 100 2.8 Macro (5) K 105 2.8 (2) K 135 2.5 (1) A* 135 1.8 (1) A 135 2.8 (1) Tak 200 3.5 Preset (1) K 200 4 (1) A* 200 2.8 (1) A* 200 4 Macro (4) A* 300 2.8 (2) F* 300 4.5 (2) FA* 300 4.5 (1) FA* 400 5.6 (1) FA 20-35 4 (3) M 24-50 4 (1) FA 24-90 3.5-4.5 (3) FA 28-70 4 AL (1) F 35-70 3.5-4.5 Macro (3) FA 28-105 4-5.6 powerzoom (1) A 35-105 3.5 (7) K 45-125 4 (1) M 75-150 4 (3) A 70-210 4 (2) A 80-200 4.7-5.6 (1) FA* 80-200 2.8 (1) 6x7 SMC 45 4 (1) 6x7 SMC Tak 55 3.5 (1) 6x7 SMC 55 4 (1) 67 165 4 LS (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Favorite Body Roll Call Results UPDATE 6
1- You must choose JUST ONE Pentax brand body of any era and format. 2- You must have personal experience with it, no matter if you own it, owned it, borrowed it, rented it. You must have used it (it's not a wish list). 3- Again, you must choose JUST ONE. 4- Send the answers OFF-LIST, TO ME, to don't disturb list members. I'll not count votes sent to list. Regards DISCLAIMER: For the winner category, I'll count all the variants of a same model (ie all Spotties together), so don't start arguing hey, you must put all this or that together. Thanks Winner by now: LX with 19 votes. Members: 59 M42: - Spotmatic (1) - Spotmatic II (1) - Spotmatic SP (1) - Spotmatic F (1) - SP 500 (2) - ES (1) K Manual Focus: - KX (3) - K2 (1) - MX (6) - LX (19) - Super Program (2) - Program A (1) K Auto Focus: - Z1 (1) - Z1p (1) - PZ1p (4) - MZ S (9) - ZX5n (1) Medium Format: - 6x7 (4) - 67 (1) - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PDML Challenge(canon)
I received this from Tom today.Now i'm red faced Cotty. Thanks again Tom for the input Dave Some snipping from original personal data Begin Original Message From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:25:16 -0500 To: David Brooks [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PDML Challenge Hi Dave, Received your prints today. Nice shots. Canon S-800. Print quality E+. Full frame 4x5 is very near equal to an excellent quality minilab print. The 8x10 is more than acceptable. This is the best quality inkjet printer I have seen so far. I can tell they are digital photographs, but a lot of that is the nature of the image from the digital camera. It took the loupe to see the halftoning and then barely. Makes me wonder what they would look like with higher resolution originals. PRINTER QUALITY RATINGS: A. Awful (Why did they bother to send this.) B. Better. (Comparable to a newspaper color photo.) C. Cool (A very nice print, but not photographic in appearance. Comparable to a magazine photo.) D. Delightful (Nearly photographic quality. Comparable to a glossy magazine photo.) E. Excellent (Equal to a good mini-lab print. No halftone dots visible to the naked eye.) F. Fantastic (Equal to a custom print by an expert printer. No halftone dots visible with a 4x loupe.) Personal comments: I think that combination you are using is a very viable event rig. Most customers would be very satisfied. I used to, 8-10 years back, do things like Ren Fairs, Auto Shows, etc. with a 6x7 (Mamiya Universal Press). I would get develop and print 8x10s from a people lab, put them in folders. Shoot on Saturday and take the prints back on Sunday and try to sell them. My sell rate at $19.99 was about 80%. Got quite a lot more sales when I shot on speculation than when I tried to get paid up front. I doubt that many of my customers could tell the difference between the medium format and what you are doing, but the BIG BLACK CAMERA impressed the hell out of them g. After I moved down here to North Carolina, finding a reliable lab that would do 8x10s overnight on Saturday became nearly impossible. Pentax User Stouffville Ontario Canada Sign up today for your Free E-mail at: http://www.canoe.ca/CanoeMail - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Bodies Roll Call Results UPDATE 137
Please send the messages to me directly, to not disturb other members,thanks. Also, I've not included 110 and digital cameras, just because I started this way, and I didn't want to change in the middle of the way. Also, if you already submited and want to add new items, please put clearly in your message: this is not my first submission, so I don't put you twice in the total answers. Thanks to all contributors. TOTAL ANSWERS: 439 members MANUAL FOCUS: Screw Mount: - Asahiflex IIa5 - Asahiflex IIb6 - Asahi Pentax (AP)5 - K4 - SL...8 - SV..11 - S1...3 - S1a.11 - S2...2 - S3...4 - SP500...14 - SP1000..12 - Spotmatic...35 - Spotmatic II17 - Spotmatic IIa2 - Spotmatic SP34 - Spotmatic SP II.15 - Spotmatic F.41 - Spotmatic F MD...2 - Spotmatic MD.3 - ES..18 - ES II...25 - ElectroSpotmatic.4 - H1...2 - H1a..5 - H2...5 - H3...7 - H3v..5 Bayonette: - KM..18 - KX..44 - KX MD1 - K2..39 - K2 DMD..10 - K1000...84 - K1000 SE.9 - MX.132 - ME..43 - MF-1.1 - ME SE2 - ME Super...140 - ME Super SE..4 - MV...7 - MV1..2 - MG..12 - LX.154 - Super Program...74 - Super A.47 - Program Plus18 - Program A...10 - A30003 - A3...2 - A3(date).1 - P3...8 - P3n..8 - P30..8 - P30n.1 - P30t13 - P5...8 - P50..3 - ZX M25 - MZ M15 AUTOFOCUS: - ME F11 - SF 1.5 - SFX..3 - SF 1n8 - SFXn13 - SF 7.2 - SF 107 - PZ 118 - PZ 1 SE..2 - Z1..25 - PZ 1p...70 - Z1p.41 - Z5...2 - Z5p..1 - PZ 105 - Z 10.5 - PZ 20...12 - Z 20.4 - Z 50p2 - PZ 706 - Z 70.1 - MZ S26 - MZ 321 - ZX 511 - MZ 515 - ZX 5n...55 - MZ 5n...38 - ZX 7.9 - MZ 7.8 - ZX 10...10 - MZ 10...14 - ZX 308 - MZ 301 - ZX 508 - MZ 509 MEDIUM FORMAT: - 645.17 - 645n.4 - 6x7.16 - 67...9 - 67 II7 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
An apology
I want to apologize to the list for my bad manners. My issue with Kent should have been discussed privately and respectfully with him. It was neither. I have no acceptable excuse for my behavior. HOWEVER! The idea that the list should be censored because a few of us have bad manners is still unacceptable to me. --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: An apology
Censorship as such wasn't in Mike's original eMail, he simply asked that: we, the PDML, agree that this is not a list for discussing taxes, taxation, and government fiscal matters. Which I read as meaning that we should try to stick more closely to the list topic in our posts, rather than have somebody censor them. I don't think this is an unreasonable request, especially when people are unsubscribing at times due to the volume of off-topic postings. Just my 2 cents worth. Regards, /\/\ick... - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Firewire scanner?
On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 03:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Which Firewire scanner though? Polaroid SprintScan 120. Get beautiful, massive scans from your 67 negs and trannies. -Aaron - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: An apology
Everbody makes mistakes. It takes class to apologize. I want to apologize to the list for my bad manners. My issue with Kent should have been discussed privately and respectfully with him. It was neither. I have no acceptable excuse for my behavior. Don't worry. This group's maturity and civility is collective not compulsive (peer pressure always accompanies having peers). g HOWEVER! The idea that the list should be censored because a few of us have bad manners is still unacceptable to me. --graywolf Dan Scott (reserving the right to be wrong, as needed) [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG News - Intro
Hi and good luck with your new position. Now you'll have to start making some submissions to the PUG :) Cya - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, November 29, 2001 8:16 AM Subject: OT: PUG News - Intro *LOL* I have been so quiet, because my client refused to post to the PDML so I lurked most of the time. But since I took on this task I persuaded it to behave... I used to have a ME super bought around 1981, it has been a very good camera travelling with me all around the world. But one day it didn't like travelling anymore and started to meter all pics one or two stops to low. And since I am a person always forgetting these things I decided to give it in good hands (my brothers wife) and there it has a quiet live now. For myself I bought a MZ-5 and two zoom lenses 28-70 and 70-210 (bad girl). Over the years and several birthdays and Xmases I accumulated another MZ-5n, some more lenses and a tripot. Now I try to remember all the good advice from the PDML (and my boyfriend) but stress the try. My pics are most of the time underexposed or the lamppost is in the middle of the composition and what else you can think of. But gradually it gets better and some of my efforts can be viewed at http://www.kirschten.de I wouldn't call me a beginner but a forgetter. But don't worry I won't forget the PUG though. I work for a software company - testing software, driving my collegues nuts because I tend to forget there as well and produce the errors good users wouldn't find. I live in Germany (Munich) with my boyfriend and about 20 computers (all his) and lot's of books and slides in a too small appartment. Cheers Adelheid -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tom Sent: Mittwoch, 28. November 2001 23:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PUG News Hi Adelheid, thanks for taking on this task. I don't think I've seen you post here much...how 'bout an intro? tv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill did a great job, I have a very well maintained WebSite at my hands now. I'll have a hard time improving it. ;) All the best Bill and take the time to submit to the PUG :))) :) Adelheid - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Leonid Meteor pic
At 12:52 28-11-2001 -0500, you wrote: From: Peifer, William [OCDUS] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: Leonid Meteor pic Wendy wrote: And here's my solitary meteor http://members.home.net/wbeard11/leonids.html Hi Wendy, This is an odd-looking meteor. On my monitor, at least, it appears like a dotted line instead of a solid streak. Is this a scanning artifact, or were you shooting through a moving fanblade or something? Bill Peifer Rochester, NY Bill, It's the HP flatbed scanner that's rubbish. Compression probably hasn't helped either. I was going to try and scan it again. Unfortunately my cable provider insisting that everyone change their e-mail addresses and upload all their web files to another server before Nov 30 tied up most of my free time. (and I've still not finished!) I know my website needed an overhaul, but I wanted more than a week of evenings to accomplish it in! Wendy --- Wendy Paul Beard Ottawa, Canada mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: An apology
Asking that people don't discuss religion, politics, and taxation on a photography discussion list is a far cry from censorship. There are lots of places where certain subjects are inappropriate. Stating that you will leave the group if folks don't want to discuss these things is closely akin to taking your ball and going home if the other kids don't play by your rules. When you say things like that you compromise yourself. Len - Original Message - From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax Discussion Malling List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 3:21 PM Subject: An apology I want to apologize to the list for my bad manners. My issue with Kent should have been discussed privately and respectfully with him. It was neither. I have no acceptable excuse for my behavior. HOWEVER! The idea that the list should be censored because a few of us have bad manners is still unacceptable to me. --graywolf - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The weakest link?
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 11:35:27 -0800, Patrick White wrote: One of these days, some bright person will get around to designing a popular image encoding format that stores the image data and the gamma that that data was encoded with. TIFF can do that, but very few TIFF writers put gamma data in. Probably since there's no way to get it programmatically on a PC (there may be on a Mac or other platforms) that stands any reasonable chance of accuracy. Then machines that know they use a different gamma can adjust the pixel values to give a close approximation of what the original image was supposed to look like. I believe that Photoshop will attempt to match the gamma curve of your monitor or printer with that of a TIFF image (that includes gamma information). TTYL, DougF - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG comment reminder
Chris, I'm not in December's PUG. I know we talked (?) about a standing comment request but you said to sort through the folks who do want comments and the ones who don't this month or are not submitting each month would be too much. Anyway, I missed the equinox thingie so Also, I got assigned somebody this month whose submission I couldn't find at the time (have not looked since but I looked MANY times that day). I sent you a note but it may have gotten lost. Cory Waters - Original Message - From: Chris Brogden [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:16 AM Subject: PUG comment reminder Ok, here's the reminder. We're keeping it nice and simple. If you want your PUG photo commented on, feel free to send me a letter *off-list* at [EMAIL PROTECTED] saying Hey, this is insert name here and I want to have my photo commented on for this PUG or something like that, and it'll be done. If you send the letter to Bill Robb or the PUG team, they'll ignore it, since the PUG gallery is a separate entity. You could send a letter to the PDML asking for comments if you want, though of course it's hit and miss whether you'll get any. The commenting process is now initiated by the photographer, so if you don't want your photo commented on, you don't have to do anything: the default is no comments. You'll have to mail me a request for comments each month that you want them, as there could be some months when you don't want comments, for whatever reason. The commentators are: Bruce Dayton, Frank Theriault, Luis Pinar, Lasse Karlsson, Jaume Lahuerta, Gianfranco Irlanda, César Matamoros II, and Cory Waters. If anyone on that list no longer wishes to be a commentator, please let me know off-list ASAP. Of course, if anyone has any questions about how this is going to work, or what this whole commenting thing is about, feel free to email me off-list and I'll fill you in. Thanks for reading! chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Calibration project was:The weakest link?
That WOULD be cool. I'm so often disappointed with images on one screen and then slightly suppressed when they look better (or worse) elsewhere. I often wonder what my images look like on other people's screens. I KNOW they looked much darker on my screen at work until I got a little too distracted and talked on the phone too long while holding a large speaker just inches from the glass :). Now that monitor gives everything a cool rainbow effect. BUT I got a new(er), larger monitor replacement before lunch that day from the IT guys! If only I could get them to make house calls :) Cory Waters knows that the things in life that bring the most happiness (I.E. computers, cars, women) are also the things that bring the most misery. Original Message - From: Paris, Leonard [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 12:29 PM Subject: RE: The weakest link? Now, if we could get together and buy a good monitor calibration package, we could send it around and all get our monitors calibrated. Probably wouldn't work for all of us, though. The kind I mean isn't just software but includes a colorimeter, too. Len --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PDML Members Web Sites List has moved
Hi Flavio, i've added your site. Thanks, Paul - Original Message - From: Flavio Minelli [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:13 PM Subject: Re: PDML Members Web Sites List has moved Hi Paul and thanks for your effort. I hope you'll remember my PDML presence since my current partecipation is reduced to almost nil. Anyway I found the time to partially review my Personal Home Page and Photo Gallery so I'd like to be added to your list. Right now there are only Italian language pages although I paln to add spanish and english sometimes in the future. This shouldn't be a problem since most of the site is made up by the gallery itself. I plan to add here also comments and information on the images as well as some new photos. Right now that's it. space.tin.it/arte/flamin and space.tin.it/arte/flamin/galleria.html Thanks again. Ciao, Flavio - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG Comments: Stenquist, Buhler
Hi Lasse, I just saw your post today, I havent' had too much time to read the list thoroughly lately... Thanks for your comments and suggestions. I'm not sure I like the cropping you suggest, but I agree with you regarding the contrast. I was agitating too much those days... j On Wed, 21 Nov 2001, Lasse Karlsson wrote: San Francisco, 9/11/2001 by Juan Buhler Along with the title, the two bearing elements of the picture are the eyes of the girl looking into the camera and the fragment of the newspaper spelling Centers' collaps Focusing is accurate and so is the use of the narrow DOF. The scene is a contrasty one though and one could of course say that the burned out highlights (like the left cheek of the girl) represents a problem from a technical point of view, but this is not of prime importance to me. However, there is a somewhat busy surrounding of (parts of) heads, faces and shoulders etc. I did a tighter cropping of the picture (like an inch down the girl's hair, up to the upper end of the black shadow of the news paper, leaving an inch of the head to the right, and roughly down the middle of the head of the girl(?) holding the paper), and I kind of liked this cropping too. Anyway, the picture is a well captured glimpse of how many people (all over the world I guess) received the news of Sept. 11, like in not even knowing what to make of it all. Thanks, Lasse - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . -- --- Juan J. Buhler | Sr. FX Animator @ PDI | Photos at http://www.jbuhler.com --- - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Awfully late PUG comments: Matamoros, Lahuerta, van Wijk
--- Gianfranco Irlanda [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: First, I'm sorry for being (again) so late with my assignment. Don't worry, better late than never... ;-) Quiberon by Jaume Lahuerta; ... The only thing I don't like in this picture is the separation between the sky and the sea/beach lower part of the frame. It seems they are really different entities. I would have tried to let the girl's arm in the foreground protude in the sky somehow. Let me check if I understand... maybe choosing a lower point of view so that part of the girl have the sky as a background? Sounds good. Thanks for your time, Gianfranco. Jaume Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG comment reminder
Of all the places there should be a pop-up warning against doing what you don't intend, this should be among them. Sorry for the mass post, list. - Original Message - From: Cory or Brenda Waters [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 5:59 PM Subject: Re: PUG comment reminder - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Nov PUG: observations, comments, questions.
--- Bob Poe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Quiberon by Juame Lahuerta contains a beatiful atmosphere, a celebratory feeling, enhanced by the reaching skyward figure. I wonder if it would be stronger from a lower camera angle, placing the reaching figure more in the clouds? Thanks Bob. Gianfranco suggested something similar in his comment. I also think that it would have been a good idea. I'll try next summer. ;-) Regards, Jaume Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Aaron Reynolds wrote: On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 10:52 PM, dave o'brien wrote: There's a place for flames about various hot-button topic and it's called: Not Here! I thought you were going to say Usenet. I thought about it, but decided that it's innapropriate for most newsgroups as well. Not to say that it doesn't happen, of course. dave - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG News - Intro
Thanks for steeping up and taking the job. Good luck and don't be afraid to ask (not me ,of course :)) for help if you need it. Cory Waters - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 4:16 PM Subject: OT: PUG News - Intro *LOL* I have been so quiet, because my client refused to post to the PDML so I lurked most of the time. But since I took on this task I persuaded it to behave... I used to have a ME super bought around 1981, it has been a very good camera travelling with me all around the world. But one day it didn't like travelling anymore and started to meter all pics one or two stops to low. And since I am a person always forgetting these things I decided to give it in good hands (my brothers wife) and there it has a quiet live now. For myself I bought a MZ-5 and two zoom lenses 28-70 and 70-210 (bad girl). Over the years and several birthdays and Xmases I accumulated another MZ-5n, some more lenses and a tripot. Now I try to remember all the good advice from the PDML (and my boyfriend) but stress the try. My pics are most of the time underexposed or the lamppost is in the middle of the composition and what else you can think of. But gradually it gets better and some of my efforts can be viewed at http://www.kirschten.de I wouldn't call me a beginner but a forgetter. But don't worry I won't forget the PUG though. I work for a software company - testing software, driving my collegues nuts because I tend to forget there as well and produce the errors good users wouldn't find. I live in Germany (Munich) with my boyfriend and about 20 computers (all his) and lot's of books and slides in a too small appartment. Cheers Adelheid -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of tom Sent: Mittwoch, 28. November 2001 23:51 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: PUG News Hi Adelheid, thanks for taking on this task. I don't think I've seen you post here much...how 'bout an intro? tv [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bill did a great job, I have a very well maintained WebSite at my hands now. I'll have a hard time improving it. ;) All the best Bill and take the time to submit to the PUG :))) :) Adelheid - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: MX Variations
Gianfranco Irlanda wrote in regard to MX variations: 1) The rectangular film holder on the back is the same *BUT* the Asahi Opt. Co., Japan writing on the holder is smaller on the 9450593 body (22,5x1,5mm vs. 29x1,9mm); I have two MX bodies. 9158140 and 4325254. Both have rectangular film holders, but neither one has writing on it. 2) Both share the Asahi engraving on the front top plate, but the 9450593 has Asahi Opt. Co., Japan on the back of the plate, under the winding lever; Ditto. My 9 series has the winding lever script as well. 3) The battery compartment cover of the 4349027 body shows BATTERY - OPEN - engraved on it; Both my 9 and 4 series have script on the battery cover, but the letters of the 9 series are black, while those of the 4 are simply engraved. 4) The metal tongue on the interior of the back is shorter in the 4349027 body. Also the film space has a slightly different shape (what seems a screw hole in the 945 appears larger on the other body); Ditto. 5) The film counter numbers in the 434 body have a glossy, metallic finish, while in the 945 they are matt and seem to me sligthly engraved; I attributed the duller finish of the 9 series numbers to age. The 9's shutter speed numbers are also duller than those of the 4. 6) Last (I think) the MX engraving on the front of the 434 body is *slightly* thinner than on the 945; The MX typography on my two bodies appears to be the same. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PDML Digiital Printing Challenge
Hi Tom, I missed the beginning of this thread. Where can I send my submission? Paul Tom Rittenhouse wrote: With three submissions in I have to say that the new generation of inkjet printers is far better than I thought they would be. Also it is already clear that operator skill is a big factor in print quality. Printer ratings: Epson Photo 1270. D+ Epson Photo EX.E Canon S-800. E+ PRINTER QUALITY RATINGS: A. Awful (Why did they bother to send this.) B. Better. (Comparable to a newspaper color photo.) C. Cool (A very nice print, but not photographic in appearance. Comparable to a magazine photo.) D. Delightful (Nearly photographic quality. Comparable to a glossy magazine photo.) E. Excellent (Equal to a good mini-lab print. No halftoning visible to the naked eye.) F. Fantastic (Equal to a custom print by an expert printer. No halftoning visible with a 4x loupe.) --graywolf - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: An apology
Tom Rittenhouse wrote: HOWEVER! The idea that the list should be censored because a few of us have bad manners is still unacceptable to me. I agree wholeheartedly. Censorship could turn this list into dull, greay pablum. If it wasn't for the occasional outburst (a few of which I can lay claim to), this would be a rather boring place. In fact, the thread objecting to the alleged bad manners was far larger and considerably less entertaining than that which it was criticiaing. Paul - The optimist's cup is half full, The pessimist's is half empty, The wise man enjoys his drink. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PDML Digiital Printing Challenge
PAUL STENQUIST wrote: Hi Tom, I missed the beginning of this thread. Where can I send my submission? Paul Oops, it was in the next message. Thanks. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: OT: PUG News - Intro
Adelheid wrote...some of my efforts can be viewed at http://www.kirschten.de I found your work quite delightfful and skillfully executed. I hope you will choose to submit to the PUG. Thanks for taking on the task. Paul Stenquist - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: The weakest link?
On Wednesday, November 28, 2001, at 02:35 PM, Patrick White wrote: This makes the images produced on a Mac appear too light (or is it too dark?) on PCs. Basically, there are three apropaches to dealing with this: 1) make it look goon on a Mac and forget about the PC users, 2) make it look good on PCs and forget about the Mac users, 3) make it look slightly crappy on both PCs and Macs and, well, live with the crappiness. Or option 4, when preparing images for the web, convert them to use the sRGB color profile and embed the profile in the image. This does two things: sRGB is basically a crude approximation of your typical PeeCee color display so it will look reasonable when Windows users view it. Mac users using Internet Exploder (or OmniWeb on MacOS X) will will have the image automatically corrected by ColorSync to match their monitor configuration regardless of what gamma they choose. (Well, in IE you have to turn colorsync on in preferences, then the correction is automatic.) One of these days, some bright person will get around to designing a popular image encoding format that stores the image data and the gamma that that data was encoded with. Already done. You can embed ICC profiles in jpeg and tiff files. -john - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Neat Looking Software for Photoshop and more ...
I've not examined this little trove of software and information, but you might find something of interest or value here: http://www.digitaltruth.com/software.html -- Shel Belinkoff mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/pow/enter.html http://home.earthlink.net/~belinkoff/cameras/pentax_repair_shops.html - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
The PDML Rules
Graywolf wrote: I want to apologize to the list for my bad manners. My issue with Kent should have been discussed privately and respectfully with him. Now see, isn't this a great list? You all are a great bunch of folks. Where else on the internet do people apologize like civilized men and women after an occasional show of temper? This is the best hangout on the internet. I mean really. --Happy Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
There goes digital guy
By the way I believe I'm going to stop agitating in favor of digital now. I've made my points _ad nauseam_ . I don't really want to become the List's official digital booster. I will say that if I had the money I'd get a D30 right now. And I'll be waiting for PMA this February. But if any of you have been waiting for me to give it a rest, breathe a sigh of relief. g --Mike - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Extension Tubes for Closeup Photography
Thanks to everyone who enlightened me on their approaches to extention tube aperture calculations (both via the list and by private E-mail). There are a lot of ways to look at the question but they all converge to about the same answer -- in my case the f/2 lens becomes somewhere around f/4 with the extension tubes that take me close to 1:1 ratio. I shot a few frames on Elite Chrome 200 slide film so we'll see how the calculation match up to reality in this particular case. - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: Take cover!
Aye Bill, KG4LOV [EMAIL PROTECTED] - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1646
I missed the beginning of this thread. I have the Epson C80. If you want any prints from that, tell me what papers to use (the only Epson glossy it works well with is Epson Professional Glossy) and I will send them. Maris P.S. I will need a mailing address - Original Message - From: Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 11:16 PM Subject: Re: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1646 | I can only rate printers I have seen prints from, so send me one from those | printers. That is what the challenge was from the start. Show me! | | --graywolf | - | The optimist's cup is half full, | The pessimist's is half empty, | The wise man enjoys his drink. | | | - Original Message - | From: Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Wednesday, November 28, 2001 10:04 PM | Subject: RE: pentax-discuss-digest V1 #1646 | | | Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | With three submissions in I have to say that the new | generation of inkjet printers is far better than I | thought they would be. Also it is already clear that | operator skill is a big factor in print quality. | Printer ratings: | Epson Photo 1270. D+ | Epson Photo EX. E | Canon S-800. E+ | | The eX and 1270 aren't part of the current crop. You really want to look | at output from the 1290 and C80. I'm shocked the 1270 rated lower than | the eX, because the 1270 is altogether a better printer. | | Rob | | | Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://wordweb.com | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | - | This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, | go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to | visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org . | | - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PDML Digiital Printing Challenge
Tom Rittenhouse wrote: With three submissions in I have to say that the new generation of inkjet printers is far better than I thought they would be. Also it is already clear that operator skill is a big factor in print quality. Sorry if this has been mentioned before, but what size prints are we talking here? Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: An apology
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Tom Rittenhouse wrote: HOWEVER! The idea that the list should be censored because a few of us have bad manners is still unacceptable to me. Off-topic posts will always come up, regardless of how strict the rules are. Let's try to label them as OT, okay? It's not ideal, but it does the best job at making it easy to identify OT posts without having to get someone to play the list censor. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
RE: photo printers
Tom Rittenhouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I can only rate printers I have seen prints from, so send me one from those printers. That is what the challenge was from the start. Show me! I'd love to, but not possible in the time frame you've allowed. I live in Australia, and who knows how long snail mail takes to get from here to there post September 11. Even before that it took more than two weeks to get to the US east coast. Possibly a useful exercise would be to have a 6x4 photographic print and a 6x4 inkjet print. This would easily demonstrate how much more information can appear in the inkjet print compared to the photographic print. Regards, Rob Rob Geraghty [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://wordweb.com - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: PUG comment reminder
On Wed, 28 Nov 2001, Cory or Brenda Waters wrote: Chris, I'm not in December's PUG. I know we talked (?) about a standing comment request but you said to sort through the folks who do want comments and the ones who don't this month or are not submitting each month would be too much. Anyway, I missed the equinox thingie so Thanks for letting me know! Also, I got assigned somebody this month whose submission I couldn't find at the time (have not looked since but I looked MANY times that day). I sent you a note but it may have gotten lost. I wrote back to you to tell you that it was likely Facit. I replied to your letter, so it would have gone to the same address from which you sent it. chris - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
push 1600 to 3200
I have a very low light situation and was going to use an ilford 3200 but then I though, why not use some of this Fuji 1600 color film I have in the fridge and set the MZ-S to 3200 manually? Any pitfalls of doing this? I can apprciate more grain but can live with that. How many more stops would I gain? 2? Kevin - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: AF360FTZ - First Impressions
Mark Cassino wrote: but here's some first impressions: Mark, Thanks for that. Can you confirm that it has the same 6 volt battery booster capability, and cable fitting, the same as the 500 FTZ's? Max - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
Re: push 1600 to 3200
Kevin Waterson wrote: How many more stops would I gain? 2? no, would only be 1 - This message is from the Pentax-Discuss Mail List. To unsubscribe, go to http://www.pdml.net and follow the directions. Don't forget to visit the Pentax Users' Gallery at http://pug.komkon.org .
