Re: Safe saving
On Sat, Jul 08, 2006 at 05:27:01PM +1200, David Mann wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 4:23 AM, John Francis wrote: One or other of the Smart Undelete utilities is your friend. Even now, after the fact, you may be lucky enough to be able to recover the deleted file, but you're far better off if Delete just marks the file for deletion and hides it somewhere. Do they work if the overwriting file has the same name? Absolutely. The version hidden away is given a distinct file name. I've got as many as a dozen versions of some old files lying around. I'll have a look around to see what's available on the Mac platform, but that may take longer than just rescanning it. - Dave Unfortunately Norton System Works for the Mac appears to have been discontinued in 2004, so that isn't a very good option (although I'm sure that version, which was updated for OS X, should still run just fine on any current Mac, if you can find a copy). A quick google suggests Data Recycler from macsense.com.au) may be worth a look, although it's not cheap. TechTool Pro from Micromat is another possibility at around the same price point. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Tent camping
On Fri, Jul 07, 2006 at 10:40:21PM -0400, Adam Maas wrote: Bob W wrote: People do keep them as pets, however. My eldest daughter had one. She called him Trotsky. The apple doesn't fall far... Indeed. I was rather alarmed in another thread to learn that your cat is called Patch. Mousey Tongue would have seemed more your style. Bob As long as you don't name it 5. We used to have a cat named Hen3ry (the 3 was silent). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PEOW: Great Blue Heron Portrait
I like the photo a lot but, alas, I don't think that the bird is very attractive! Keith McG Jay Taylor wrote: Here's a shot taken a couple months back with the *istDS with the FA*300 f4.5 stacked with the F1.7X Adapter. This combo gives me a 510mm focal length and is not too shabby provided there is some decent light. I tried some Noise Ninja reduction in the BibbleLite Raw processing, but didn't like the way detail was lost on the bird even though the background was quite a bit better without the noise. I suppose if I took the time, I could combine two images (one with noise removed in background), but I'm hard pressed to even get this much posted lately. Comments critique are always helpful from you folks. Thanks, JayT http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/63091875.IxUtTQK6.GBHPortrait.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Brothers
On 7/7/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: No Paul, there's not a lot of empty space on top. Their ID and information papers take up some of the top part of the frame, which is, imo as the photographer, is an important part of their story. Otherwise they're just a couple of cats in a cage. And no, you can't see their feet as there's a part of the cage just below that obscures them. No matter what angle I'd have taken the photo from, you'd never see much more below what you see now, other than a little more of the cage. This is why I am killfiled. Shel is quite happy to post a pic, but the moment someone suggests an alternative preference, he gets goes defensive and woe betide if you don't see things His Way. His photography is skilled and most of it is excellent but his attitude is bollocks. But he won't be reading this. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Brothers
On 7/7/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: What you can see tells you what you need to know. Arrogant bollocks!!! -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche ||=|http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Brothers
I didn't look at the photo, so I can't comment on it. But I do get bothered by people telling me what they think I need to know. Keith McG Cotty wrote: On 7/7/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: What you can see tells you what you need to know. Arrogant bollocks!!! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Brothers
It was a cat photo; that's enough for me! I think all pet photos should carry a warning in the subject line: [pet]. That way I could bin them more easily! I have no doubt that some of them are excellent photos but they simply do not interest me. Keith McG Cotty wrote: On 7/7/06, Shel Belinkoff, discombobulated, unleashed: No Paul, there's not a lot of empty space on top. Their ID and information papers take up some of the top part of the frame, which is, imo as the photographer, is an important part of their story. Otherwise they're just a couple of cats in a cage. And no, you can't see their feet as there's a part of the cage just below that obscures them. No matter what angle I'd have taken the photo from, you'd never see much more below what you see now, other than a little more of the cage. This is why I am killfiled. Shel is quite happy to post a pic, but the moment someone suggests an alternative preference, he gets goes defensive and woe betide if you don't see things His Way. His photography is skilled and most of it is excellent but his attitude is bollocks. But he won't be reading this. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PEOW: Great Blue Heron Portrait
There is something sinister and frightening about that bird -- in focus or out. Don Keith McGuinness wrote: I like the photo a lot but, alas, I don't think that the bird is very attractive! Keith McG Jay Taylor wrote: Here's a shot taken a couple months back with the *istDS with the FA*300 f4.5 stacked with the F1.7X Adapter. This combo gives me a 510mm focal length and is not too shabby provided there is some decent light. I tried some Noise Ninja reduction in the BibbleLite Raw processing, but didn't like the way detail was lost on the bird even though the background was quite a bit better without the noise. I suppose if I took the time, I could combine two images (one with noise removed in background), but I'm hard pressed to even get this much posted lately. Comments critique are always helpful from you folks. Thanks, JayT http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/63091875.IxUtTQK6.GBHPortrait.jpg -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: Why do you take pictures?
Actually, it is a very good question. I believe many people (consumers) only take pictures, when ever there's a family event to remember - a birthday or some sort of family get together. And they only photograph people they know. So, when I'm photographing strangers, they start to wonder why. I once did some quite nice portraits of a young woman. I showed them to a colleague at work. She asked; Who is she? I answered: I don't really know her, but doesn't she look nice? My colleague quickly lost any interest in my photographs. The lesson I learned was, that lots of people don't look at the photographs as such. They look at the people IN the photographs. Photographs as such are not at all interesting - to most people. A good photograph is a photograph that shows a relative or a friend the way the he or she wants to remember this person. Noting else really matters. Once a famous photographer, who died suddenly, left behind thousands of photographs showing a white cup. The journalists started to wonder why. They began speculations abuot weather the photographer had gone mad or perhaps was looking for some mystery - a message form the universe - like the alchemists did*. No one seemed to understand that the white cup may very well have been the photographers way of testing lenses, developers, lighting etc. ;) Not even the journalist saw the photographs as - photographs. They looked at the cup! Do any of you guys remember who this photographer was? Note * (The alchemists did not really try to make gold - they made the Kings, who paid for the experiments, believe so, in order to get the financing, but they were really looking for messages form the universe - or something similar - so I've read) Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Boris Liberman Sendt: 7. juli 2006 19:56 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: OT: Why do you take pictures? Hi! Jens Bladt wrote: While doing panoramas earlier today - at the beach - a young woman asked me: Why do you take pictures? Out of nowhere, I came upp with this (rather arrogant) answer: Because I'm a photographer. I expected her to give me problems or to follow up on the question - but she didn't. To my big surprise, she accepted my answer. I will perhaps use the same answer again. http://www.jensbladt.dk/pano/Badestranden2.html Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk How about Why not? Ann, I am with you here ;-). Although with all honesty - I take pictures because, well, because it is so much different from everything else I do every day... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 07/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
Jens Bladt wrote: Actually, it is a very good question. I believe many people (consumers) only take pictures, when ever there's a family event to remember - a birthday or some sort of family get together. And they only photograph people they know. So, when I'm photographing strangers, they start to wonder why. I once did some quite nice portraits of a young woman. I showed them to a colleague at work. She asked; Who is she? I answered: I don't really know her, but doesn't she look nice? My colleague quickly lost any interest in my photographs. As I have discovered, not all that unusual a response. The lesson I learned was, that lots of people don't look at the photographs as such. They look at the people IN the photographs. Photographs as such are not at all interesting - to most people. A good photograph is a photograph that shows a relative or a friend the way the he or she wants to remember this person. Noting else really matters. I think they're looking for meaning. I recently attended a wine tasting, on a warm Sunday, near a small lake, in a grassy glade with trees. Since this was a festival, with crowds of people, I thought this was a fine venue to test my rather new pseudo-dslr. I showed several of the images I thought turned out well to my daughter, who very competently uses an Oly XA like she was a foreign correspondent with a $3000 Nikon kit! Her first words were, Who ARE these people?! Do you know them? How she can put both an exclamation mark and a question mark in one sentence, I don't know, but she manages... In any case, my critical error was in not prefacing my short exhibition with what the venue was, and what was happening there. Once I did, and she now had background, she immediately and totally lost interest, not even following up with a single additional question! That, in itself, was an interesting but totally unexpected response... I chose to not pursue the matter. Once a famous photographer, who died suddenly, left behind thousands of photographs showing a white cup. The journalists started to wonder why. They began speculations abuot weather the photographer had gone mad or perhaps was looking for some mystery - a message form the universe - like the alchemists did*. No one seemed to understand that the white cup may very well have been the photographers way of testing lenses, developers, lighting etc. ;) That would be my guess. I can see how it might have been the ultimate simple test object, not all that easy to photograph well. In his eyes. Not even the journalist saw the photographs as - photographs. They looked at the cup! I understand. Not quite his own Haystacks in 4 seasons, but perhaps similar... Do any of you guys remember who this photographer was? No, but now my interest has been piqued! g Note * (The alchemists did not really try to make gold - they made the Kings, who paid for the experiments, believe so, in order to get the financing, but they were really looking for messages form the universe - or something similar - so I've read) Clever indeed! Jens Bladt keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: The arab family
I was doing panoramas near my home town, by the sea. In a small recreational area at a boat club, there was an Arab family (from Palestine and Lebanon) enjoying the nice weather and eachothers company. All the men came to me and asked me why I was photographing. They behaved as if they believed, I needed their permission to photograph. I answered again, that I was a photographer and eventually told them I didn't need their permission - since it's a public area (this is a free country, you know). All the children and women wanted me to take their pictures, which I eventually did. They didn't come out very well, though as I wasn't really equipped to do portraits. I on had the RTF flash (D and DL), which I'm not familiar with at all. I used a FA* 2.0 24mm and a FA 1.8 31mm. Here are the shots, which I have published only because they asked me to: http://www.jensbladt.dk/Stroeby/Stroeby-1.html click below the panorama to see the portraits Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PEOW: Great Blue Heron Portrait
WOW, amazing photograph, Jay. I wish I could get shots like this ;-) Regards Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Don Williams Sendt: 8. juli 2006 09:09 Til: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Emne: Re: PEOW: Great Blue Heron Portrait There is something sinister and frightening about that bird -- in focus or out. Don Keith McGuinness wrote: I like the photo a lot but, alas, I don't think that the bird is very attractive! Keith McG Jay Taylor wrote: Here's a shot taken a couple months back with the *istDS with the FA*300 f4.5 stacked with the F1.7X Adapter. This combo gives me a 510mm focal length and is not too shabby provided there is some decent light. I tried some Noise Ninja reduction in the BibbleLite Raw processing, but didn't like the way detail was lost on the bird even though the background was quite a bit better without the noise. I suppose if I took the time, I could combine two images (one with noise removed in background), but I'm hard pressed to even get this much posted lately. Comments critique are always helpful from you folks. Thanks, JayT http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/63091875.IxUtTQK6.GBHPortrait.jpg -- Dr E D F Williams www.kolumbus.fi/mimosa/ http://personal.inet.fi/cool/don.williams/ 41660 TOIVAKKA – Finland - +358400706616 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.9/382 - Release Date: 07/04/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: Why do you take pictures?
[...] Once a famous photographer, who died suddenly, left behind thousands of photographs showing a white cup. The journalists started to wonder why. They began speculations abuot weather the photographer had gone mad or perhaps was looking for some mystery - a message form the universe - like the alchemists did*. No one seemed to understand that the white cup may very well have been the photographers way of testing lenses, developers, lighting etc. ;) Not even the journalist saw the photographs as - photographs. They looked at the cup! Do any of you guys remember who this photographer was? Edward Steichen. Subject matter is usually the most important thing for everybody, whether it's landscape, photojournalism or family photos. If people are not interested in the subject matter they won't look at the photos. This is one reason why abstract photographs rarely work, and one reason why so much art photography, with its concentration on the banal, is so boring. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: testWVL
Bill, Your post made it. Can you read this return? Sent via list direct too. Regards, Bob S. On 7/8/06, Bill Lawlor [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: testWVL I have not received list trafic since July 3. Bill Lawlor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: 50 Megapixels of GFM
Boris Liberman wrote: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/multi-02a.jpg (200kb!) Mark, there is great amount of minute detail on this shot. Usually digital has problems past certain level of resolution combined with certain size of (big) enlargement. When I visited Jostein two years ago we pondered an A3 (or was it A2?) print of some shot he made and we saw how minute details become rather messy. Here you have immense number of pixels. I wonder if you printed it big, say A2, would the minute details show as such or would they be washed out by lack of resolution. Again, I am not trying to attack you or your work in any way. I am merely trying to think out loud purely in technical/technological domain. The detail is the precise reason why I took this photo and the reason why I decided to do it as a 12-shot stitch. I realized that a 6-megapixel image would never adequately show the textures that attracted me to this scene. 50 megapixels do the job quite nicely, though :) Probably only equivalent to a medium format photo because of suboptimal technique on my part; if I'd used a better lens (the Vivitar doesn't lack sharpness but suffered some zoom creep between shots) and a proper panorama head I think it would be pretty much the equal of 4 x 5 film. Something you obviously can't appreciate with the downsized web image is how, with the original in Photoshop, you can just keep zooming in over and over without lessening of apparent detail. I keep doing it just to convince myself it's real! Here's a 100% crop: http://www.robertstech.com/temp/detail.jpg -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: 50 Megapixels of GFM
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Pretty darn cool. I'd like to see a 25x50 inch print... :-) At 240ppi it works out to 23 x 45 inches :) I'm tempted... -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Bird Girl of Delhi - site comments
Well those are no good. NOT! ;-) Regards, Bob S. On 7/8/06, David Mann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 7, 2006, at 8:03 PM, Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: On Fri, 7 Jul 2006, David Mann wrote: I decided in the end to keep the thumbnails entirely hidden until the viewer clicks a link to make them visible. I also added Next and Previous links so the gallery can be viewed in the intended order, without even looking at thumbnails (it's a pity I still haven't put together any serious galleries yet). Can you show us please? OK, here's a set I threw together a while ago. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/photodb/galleries/view.php?g=30 I just uploaded the background textures, which I must have forgotten to do when I restructured the site recently. - Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: Why do you take pictures?
I can't say that I disagree. As I have said - I'm not an artist - art is not my ambition. Still some journalistic photographs may very well be regarded as art. Like my favorite example American Girl in Italy, by Ruth Orkin. It's so brilliant I initially thought it was staged. It isn't, it's a snap shot: http://www.allposters.com/-sp/American-Girl-in-Italy-1951-Posters_i314665_.h tm Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk +45 56 63 77 11 +45 23 43 85 77 Skype: jensbladt248 -Oprindelig meddelelse- Fra: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] vegne af Bob W Sendt: 8. juli 2006 12:49 Til: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' Emne: RE: OT: Why do you take pictures? [...] Once a famous photographer, who died suddenly, left behind thousands of photographs showing a white cup. The journalists started to wonder why. They began speculations abuot weather the photographer had gone mad or perhaps was looking for some mystery - a message form the universe - like the alchemists did*. No one seemed to understand that the white cup may very well have been the photographers way of testing lenses, developers, lighting etc. ;) Not even the journalist saw the photographs as - photographs. They looked at the cup! Do any of you guys remember who this photographer was? Edward Steichen. Subject matter is usually the most important thing for everybody, whether it's landscape, photojournalism or family photos. If people are not interested in the subject matter they won't look at the photos. This is one reason why abstract photographs rarely work, and one reason why so much art photography, with its concentration on the banal, is so boring. Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Brothers
On Jul 7, 2006, at 10:16 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/brothers.html DS w/K24/2.8 I usually don't look at these kinds of pictures very deeply. Not that I dislike pets or cats or dogs, only that such photos of people's pets only occasionally do much for me. This one is, however, poignant. The rendering work is excellent: very good tonalities. The composition could be stronger. The significant elements are the SPCA tag and the kittens' combined expressions ... I feel it would be stronger cropped nearly square placing these two elements in a more dynamic relationship. I don't need the food dish on the right. A vertical crop line just excising the second bar from the right improves the balance to my eye. Cutting it there draws me in ... my eye goes from the kitten's eyes directly to the SPCA tag and back. Give it a try, see what you think. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: The arab family
On Jul 8, 2006, at 2:39 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: I was doing panoramas near my home town, by the sea. In a small recreational area at a boat club, there was an Arab family (from Palestine and Lebanon) enjoying the nice weather and eachothers company. All the men came to me and asked me why I was photographing. They behaved as if they believed, I needed their permission to photograph. I answered again, that I was a photographer and eventually told them I didn't need their permission - since it's a public area (this is a free country, you know). All the children and women wanted me to take their pictures, which I eventually did. They didn't come out very well, though as I wasn't really equipped to do portraits. I on had the RTF flash (D and DL), which I'm not familiar with at all. I used a FA* 2.0 24mm and a FA 1.8 31mm. Here are the shots, which I have published only because they asked me to: http://www.jensbladt.dk/Stroeby/Stroeby-1.html click below the panorama to see the portraits I love it when a photographer says These didn't come out very well. There always seems to be something of a treat associated with the photographs. This is one of the strongest panoramics I've seen you produce. I like it much more than the full circle photos ... it's not too wide to see all at once and has so many interesting compositional elements. And the portraits!! My gosh, they're great! The two middle distance group shot are a little weak, they seem a little more 'snapshotty', but all the half-length ones are fantastic! You caught a few moments peek into these people's eyes and revealed something of their selves. This is about the most memorable set of photos I've seen you present. And the backstory is significant. I'd love to see you do more work in this vein. Well done! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Bird Girl of Delhi - site comments
On Jul 7, 2006, at 10:25 PM, David Mann wrote: OK, here's a set I threw together a while ago. http://www.bluemoon.net.nz/photo/photodb/galleries/view.php?g=30 I just uploaded the background textures, which I must have forgotten to do when I restructured the site recently. That's a nice presentation. I like the animation on the thumbs high- show control and the info on request panel. It runs cleanly on Safari and FireFox browsers. Nice work! (The photos are very good too! ;-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT: Tent camping
Marnie, Off the top of my head here are some thoughts from my 6 week camping trip 3 years ago... Rechargeable flashlights and other accessories *seem* like a good idea, but they don't seem to last as long as when they're powered by regular batteries. They also don't seem to give much warning befor they go out. They just GO. Plus, remembering to recharge can be a nuisance, and the last thing you want to happen is that you run out of light when you need it, for example. If you're going to be in one place for a good amount of time, then get whatever size tent you want. However, if you will be on the move (i.e., taking the tent up and down every other day or more) then get a smaller tent thats fast an easy to pitch and break down. I personally had a HUGE tent, which was great when I was in it, and someplace for a long period of time... but as the trip stretched on and I stayed on the move, taking it up and down became a burden and I wished for a smaller tent to pitch. Invest in a good sleeping bag. Mine was rated for 0 degrees (F) if I'm not mistaken... but when the temperature dropped below freezing, I was still cold at times. I ended up lining the bag with a cheap fleece sleeping back from Wal-Mart. Worked out nicely. Also invest in a good mattress. Some opt for the foam / rubber pads which are okay... but I was gone for so long that I opted for an air mattress (my tent was that big). It was comfortable, but the extreme changes in temperature a few nights made it deflate some while I was asleep. So on a few occassions (not many), I had to wake up and pump it back up in the middle of the night. If you go this route, by the way, be SURE to get a battery operated pump for inflation. Most hiking trails are well mapped out and well blazed, so the need for a GPS is usually minimal (or none) unless your going off-trail (which I rarely did on purpose). But I did get turned around twice, which is kinda scary... but I eventually figured it out. I packed plenty of snacks to avoid having to cook every single time I got hungry. However, be careful in your selection. I did not realize until after the fact the extent to which most of my snacks (granola bars, muffins, etc) were high in fiber. Need I say more? Bring a Latern! This is huge. Flashlights are good for when you're walking or looking for something. But for area lighting in and out of the tent at night, some sort of latern (gas or battery operated) will be awesome to have. I changed clothes several times some days due to temperature drops caused by the elevation changes. Depending on where you'll be going, keep that in mind. Layers are good. Always have sufficient gas in the tank when approaching any national park. (1) you'll be surprised how much driving you'll do inside, going from trail to trail, and (2) they usually have stations nearby but they'll murder you on the prices. Be sure to do your research on park closings, etc. Given the time of year you'll be going. I remeber @ Glacier National Park, by early September it seemed like 80% of the campsites and facilities had already closed for the season. I also have to disagree with someone elses suggestion of staying close to the bathrooms since this is the most popular place @ the campsite. In my experience, the pedestrian traffic to the bathrooms, plus squeaky doors, etc tended to bug me @ night and became pretty annoying when trying to get some sleep. So I guess there are some pros and cons to being close. Photography-wise, I can say that I did NOT do a good job of making the proverbial lemonade out of lemons on my trip. When the weather / crowds / animals weren't cooperating, I sulked and put my camera away rather than trying to be creative, or better yet, just enjoying the atmosphere and the fact that I was there. It was fun being a photographer, but I didn't do a great job of also being a tourist while I was there, and so in hindsight I can say that I missed out. I hope that, in this respect, you manage better than I did. Thats all I can think of right now. If I think of more, I'll let you know. Here's the website from my trip, by the way. Yes, it's been three years... but I'm still working on it. I've still got about 1/2 the trip photos to upload. http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/seattle/index.htm Happy Camping! - Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: The arab family
Jens, I think Godfrey is right, about the panorama too! It reminds me of the painting Sunday in the Park by George Seurat. The portraits are very revealing. Much more so than the excellent work you showed of the town folk for your slide presentation. I got the feeling that these people were a little different, maybe naive and even flattered to be photographed. It is a marvelous set showing a great deal of personality in the individuals. Nice that they trusted you. Regards, Bob S. On 7/8/06, Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 8, 2006, at 2:39 AM, Jens Bladt wrote: I was doing panoramas near my home town, by the sea. In a small recreational area at a boat club, there was an Arab family (from Palestine and Lebanon) enjoying the nice weather and eachothers company. All the men came to me and asked me why I was photographing. They behaved as if they believed, I needed their permission to photograph. I answered again, that I was a photographer and eventually told them I didn't need their permission - since it's a public area (this is a free country, you know). All the children and women wanted me to take their pictures, which I eventually did. They didn't come out very well, though as I wasn't really equipped to do portraits. I on had the RTF flash (D and DL), which I'm not familiar with at all. I used a FA* 2.0 24mm and a FA 1.8 31mm. Here are the shots, which I have published only because they asked me to: http://www.jensbladt.dk/Stroeby/Stroeby-1.html click below the panorama to see the portraits I love it when a photographer says These didn't come out very well. There always seems to be something of a treat associated with the photographs. This is one of the strongest panoramics I've seen you produce. I like it much more than the full circle photos ... it's not too wide to see all at once and has so many interesting compositional elements. And the portraits!! My gosh, they're great! The two middle distance group shot are a little weak, they seem a little more 'snapshotty', but all the half-length ones are fantastic! You caught a few moments peek into these people's eyes and revealed something of their selves. This is about the most memorable set of photos I've seen you present. And the backstory is significant. I'd love to see you do more work in this vein. Well done! Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - dodge ball tournament
this photo I cannot decide if I like or not I have spent a lot of time with Picasa messing with it, and have never been satisfied with what I came up with. For this version I hit I'm Feeling Lucky and decided to wait for comments before spending more time on it. I like it because shows the excitement and confusion of high intesity dodge-ball, but then everything is blurry. so do you think it is worth spending time on, or is it crap? http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html Brutal and Honest :) Russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - first peso
Thank you for the comments. Mark- I would like to see your No Swimming, but I did not find it on your site Paul Stenquist- I agree that this shot is muddy, as you say. And since I am relatively new to this, you must pardon my silly questions. Is the muddiness due to the BW conversion that I use, or the color filter I use on the BW conversion, or is there something else that I am missing? and wrt to my site and choice of colors... I have had a couple others (not from PDML) comment on the blue on black, so that will be changing at some point, but thank you for that comment as well. Russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - first peso
Hi, A couple of things. The tonality is muddy and flat. At first glance it seems that a little more contrast would be helpful. A couple of questions/comments: have you ever seen exhibition quality BW silver prints? If not, hie the to a museum or gallery and see what they look like and the various printing styles. Your DOF seems about perfect - the background shows the people clearly enough but they're OOF enough not to distract from the main subject. You might be able to get by with even a little less DOF, but this works pretty well. The black background with electric blue type is really a bad choice. The blue is a great distraction, and black, generaslly, is not as conducive for displaying photos as, for example, a more neutral grey. Depends, of course, on whether the image has a border or not, too. Shel [Original Message] From: Russell Kerstetter this is a peregrin falcon i shot at an air show http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic10.html and as the saying goes: honest and brutal please (just not too brutal, I'm still a PESO virgin :) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: Why do you take pictures?
Yes, that's a very striking photo. When I first saw it years ago I thought it was not staged, but in fact I think it was staged. Here is something about the staging: http://www.zonezero.com/magazine/articles/mraz/mraz04.html -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jens Bladt Sent: 08 July 2006 13:21 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: OT: Why do you take pictures? I can't say that I disagree. As I have said - I'm not an artist - art is not my ambition. Still some journalistic photographs may very well be regarded as art. Like my favorite example American Girl in Italy, by Ruth Orkin. It's so brilliant I initially thought it was staged. It isn't, it's a snap shot: http://www.allposters.com/-sp/American-Girl-in-Italy-1951-Post ers_i314665_.h tm -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - dodge ball tournament
I like. Don't ask me why though. Dave :-) On 7/8/06, Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: this photo I cannot decide if I like or not I have spent a lot of time with Picasa messing with it, and have never been satisfied with what I came up with. For this version I hit I'm Feeling Lucky and decided to wait for comments before spending more time on it. I like it because shows the excitement and confusion of high intesity dodge-ball, but then everything is blurry. so do you think it is worth spending time on, or is it crap? http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html Brutal and Honest :) Russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Brothers
I'll play with the crop some more. Your suggestion seems a little tight for me, but I can see that it can definitely benefit from some tightening up. Thanks! Shel [Original Message] From: Godfrey DiGiorgi http://home.earthlink.net/~morepix/brothers.html I usually don't look at these kinds of pictures very deeply. Not that I dislike pets or cats or dogs, only that such photos of people's pets only occasionally do much for me. This one is, however, poignant. The rendering work is excellent: very good tonalities. The composition could be stronger. The significant elements are the SPCA tag and the kittens' combined expressions ... I feel it would be stronger cropped nearly square placing these two elements in a more dynamic relationship. I don't need the food dish on the right. A vertical crop line just excising the second bar from the right improves the balance to my eye. Cutting it there draws me in ... my eye goes from the kitten's eyes directly to the SPCA tag and back. Give it a try, see what you think. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - dodge ball tournament
The arm in the foreground obscures too much of the people in the background for the picture to be 100% successful, otherwise it is very good. I agree with Shel about the black background and blue text. I think you should spell consistently (and correctly) too (avocado, no avacado) -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Kerstetter Sent: 08 July 2006 15:06 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: PESO - dodge ball tournament this photo I cannot decide if I like or not I have spent a lot of time with Picasa messing with it, and have never been satisfied with what I came up with. For this version I hit I'm Feeling Lucky and decided to wait for comments before spending more time on it. I like it because shows the excitement and confusion of high intesity dodge-ball, but then everything is blurry. so do you think it is worth spending time on, or is it crap? http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html Brutal and Honest :) Russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- Portrait (inspired by Shel's portrait)
Bruce Dayton wrote: Hello mike, The one aspect of this shot that is interesting is that the environment is rather unusual and so the bad lighting and snapshot look to it actually bring this out even more. Certainly as an image goes, this is sub par, but it may be a good indication of who he is. -- Best regards, Bruce Mike - I love it It can be improved technically if you could lighten the right side somewhat - Side lighting always interesting, but the right side is so dark it draws your eye a bit too much - I'd like not to have to squint to see the keyboard - I like that it isn't super razor sharp - you can tell you shot this with film. ... It really tells us lots about your subject - the framing of the shot is just right. ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - dodge ball tournament
On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:06 AM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: this photo I cannot decide if I like or not I have spent a lot of time with Picasa messing with it, and have never been satisfied with what I came up with. For this version I hit I'm Feeling Lucky and decided to wait for comments before spending more time on it. I like it because shows the excitement and confusion of high intesity dodge-ball, but then everything is blurry. so do you think it is worth spending time on, or is it crap? http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html Brutal and Honest :) Nothing is crap in and of itself. What are you trying to say with it? ]'-) The question is whether there is something in the photograph that can be expressed to your satisfaction. If so, then it's not 'crap', it's a photograph that you worked on *for a reason*. If not, then you can call it whatever you like. The fact that you spent a good bit of time 'messing about with it' indicates that you feel it isn't crap and that there's something in it that is appealing to you. I would suggest that you stop messing about with it, study it for a while, and decide what you want to get out of it. Then go back into whatever editing software you use and see if you can get it in a more directed, intent driven fashion... After that, you can decide whether it's crap or not. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
- Original Message - From: Jens Bladt Subject: RE: OT: Why do you take pictures? The lesson I learned was, that lots of people don't look at the photographs as such. They look at the people IN the photographs. Photographs as such are not at all interesting - to most people. A good photograph is a photograph that shows a relative or a friend the way the he or she wants to remember this person. Noting else really matters. For most people, photographs are memory joggers. They don't really want to see the person or the place depicted, they want to remember the fun that was had at that place, with that person. The photograph is the tool used to remind them. This is why slide shows of other people's vacations are so very hard to sit through, and why people rarely show much interest in snapshots of people they don't know, or places they haven't been. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: Sun Shadow
Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your reaction/repulsion. Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. Seeking comments. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - first peso
I would think the muddiness is a function of the conversion. There are many conversion methods that work well. If you're working in PhotoShop, try using the channel mixer for a start. Just cick on monochrome and work with the three channels to get a pleasing effect. Click on the monochrome button near the bottom of the channel mixer window. Use a lot of the red channel. For many shots, at least 90% or so. Set the constant to near zero or just a bit below. Then dial in just a bit of green and blue. Work each slider independently in those approximate ranges until you get a pleasing effect. What color filter did you use? Are you shooting digital? Paul On Jul 8, 2006, at 9:57 AM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: Thank you for the comments. Mark- I would like to see your No Swimming, but I did not find it on your site Paul Stenquist- I agree that this shot is muddy, as you say. And since I am relatively new to this, you must pardon my silly questions. Is the muddiness due to the BW conversion that I use, or the color filter I use on the BW conversion, or is there something else that I am missing? and wrt to my site and choice of colors... I have had a couple others (not from PDML) comment on the blue on black, so that will be changing at some point, but thank you for that comment as well. Russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Shadow
Beautiful shot. -Adam Jack Davis wrote: Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your reaction/repulsion. Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. Seeking comments. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- Portrait (inspired by Shel's portrait)
On Jul 8, 2006, at 1:09 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I think it's great. Technically, it wonts for quite a bit, but the characterization is excellent. Godfrey On Jul 7, 2006, at 2:48 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/chris.jpg I know it shows the person, but it's more about his environment. This is not a technically perfect photo, but sometimes that's not important I agree with Godfrey on this one. At times we get so caught up in the technical aspects that we fail to appreciate the photos. This is one of those rare photos that manage to overcome the technical rules to show us the subject properly. In fact, it could be argued that the very minor deficiencies are actually supporting the photo; A more polished look might have undermined the overall feel we have here of the nature of the subject. Doug -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Shadow
I like the photo, but don't understand the shadow. How do you get such? Looks wierd. Regards, Bob S. On 7/8/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your reaction/repulsion. Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. Seeking comments. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Do not warm colours
William, I hope you are reading this :-) I once suggested to my photolab that the rose I had shot (neg) looked too yellow compared to reality. They suggested that I mark my mail-forms do not warm colours and so I have been doing over the past 4 years. I know that photolabs add yellow to warm the pictures and I read the discussion the other day about a photog suggesting that no customer ever complains about the photos being too warm (they had not heard about me, obviously :-)). What I am wondering is if (with a Frontier minilab in this case) it is trivial to not warm colours. Would any lab be able to carry out the request? And would this (and the same minilab) suffice to get identical pictures from the same negative? TIA, Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Sun Shadow
Yep, that sun shadow thing is a great distraction. Adds nothing to the photo, imo, and takes away from some subtle details in the background. Shel [Original Message] From: Jack Davis Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Do not warm colours
- Original Message - From: Kostas Kavoussanakis Subject: Do not warm colours William, I hope you are reading this :-) I once suggested to my photolab that the rose I had shot (neg) looked too yellow compared to reality. They suggested that I mark my mail-forms do not warm colours and so I have been doing over the past 4 years. I know that photolabs add yellow to warm the pictures and I read the discussion the other day about a photog suggesting that no customer ever complains about the photos being too warm (they had not heard about me, obviously :-)). What I am wondering is if (with a Frontier minilab in this case) it is trivial to not warm colours. Would any lab be able to carry out the request? And would this (and the same minilab) suffice to get identical pictures from the same negative? Any lab should be able to carry out such a request. If you think the lab consistently prints things too yellow, ask them to minus a yellow or two from your work. If the operator looks at you with the dumbstruck look normally reserved for the first time you see a space alien, you can point out that the keyboard has more than just a start key, and ask what do they think the buttons marked Y, M, and C stand for, and why are there buttons marked -4 to +5? William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
Gawd yes! (remembering slide shows of certain friends' vacations) There was ~always~ one or the other standing rigidly in front of some tourist attraction or scene. And the narrative, with every slide, would be This is Cathy standing in front of ... Here's Ron in front of ... as if we, the captive viewers, didn't know who these people were sigh Now we get a DVD movie that's more of the same, only with music in the background and repetitious dissolves and fades. Just a more high-tech version of the slide show. With the slide shows, we'd have to visit their house and usually get dinner beforehand. Now we just get a disk in the mail. Technology marches on - creativity remains stagnant - dinner disappears. Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb For most people, photographs are memory joggers. They don't really want to see the person or the place depicted, they want to remember the fun that was had at that place, with that person. The photograph is the tool used to remind them. This is why slide shows of other people's vacations are so very hard to sit through, and why people rarely show much interest in snapshots of people they don't know, or places they haven't been. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Sun Shadow
Thanks, Shel. Guess I knew that all along. Jack --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, that sun shadow thing is a great distraction. Adds nothing to the photo, imo, and takes away from some subtle details in the background. Shel [Original Message] From: Jack Davis Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO -- Portrait (inspired by Shel's portrait)
Hi, I like the rough, gritty style. My only nit is that I'd like to see a little more of what's lower, maybe the entire TV set - not because I need or want the information, just that it may offer a somewhat better balance to the photo. Maybe - just maybe - open the shadow and darker areas just a scosh. Overall, it's a fine, representational photo. Shel [Original Message] From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: pdml@pdml.net Date: 7/7/2006 2:50:40 PM Subject: PESO -- Portrait (inspired by Shel's portrait) http://www.michaelhamilton.ca/images/chris.jpg I know it shows the person, but it's more about his environment. This is not a technically perfect photo, but sometimes that's not important. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Shadow
That was the question. The sun is in the center of the shadow, but essentially invisible. I saw this weird shadow in my mind with my first look at the developed image. Finally had to put it there with the burn tool. That's the reason for the (slight) guilt feeling. It's surprising how many look at it without remarking about the unnatural shadow. Thanks Jack --- Bob Sullivan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I like the photo, but don't understand the shadow. How do you get such? Looks wierd. Regards, Bob S. On 7/8/06, Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your reaction/repulsion. Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. Seeking comments. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - dodge ball tournament
Russell Kerstetter wrote: this photo I cannot decide if I like or not http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html I like it. It looks like something Frank Theriault would do if he shot color! (That's a compliment, by the way...) -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Do not warm colours
Kostas Kavoussanakis wrote: What I am wondering is if (with a Frontier minilab in this case) it is trivial to not warm colours. Yes. Any lab that can't or won't is a place to be avoided. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO: Tricked Up Poppy
Have a twinge of guilt about this image, also. Any idea why? (assuming you feel like playing) All comments appreciated. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=123 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- Portrait (inspired by Shel's portrait)
Doug Brewer wrote: I agree with Godfrey on this one. At times we get so caught up in the technical aspects that we fail to appreciate the photos. This is one of those rare photos that manage to overcome the technical rules to show us the subject properly. In fact, it could be argued that the very minor deficiencies are actually supporting the photo; A more polished look might have undermined the overall feel we have here of the nature of the subject. You should post more often, Doug. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Tent camping
From: Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Also invest in a good mattress. Some opt for the foam / rubber pads which are okay... but I was gone for so long that I opted for an air mattress (my tent was that big). It was comfortable, but the extreme changes in temperature a few nights made it deflate some while I was asleep. So on a few occassions (not many), I had to wake up and pump it back up in the middle of the night. If you go this route, by the way, be SURE to get a battery operated pump for inflation. I disagree. If you use a manual pump, you will be nice and warm when you get back into bed. You also won't have any battery problems. Camp beds obviate this problem entirely. You will need to have some insulation _underneath_ you, though. m - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
But so few people make a good meatloaf these days anyway... Shel Belinkoff wrote: Gawd yes! (remembering slide shows of certain friends' vacations) There was ~always~ one or the other standing rigidly in front of some tourist attraction or scene. And the narrative, with every slide, would be This is Cathy standing in front of ... Here's Ron in front of ... as if we, the captive viewers, didn't know who these people were sigh Now we get a DVD movie that's more of the same, only with music in the background and repetitious dissolves and fades. Just a more high-tech version of the slide show. With the slide shows, we'd have to visit their house and usually get dinner beforehand. Now we just get a disk in the mail. Technology marches on - creativity remains stagnant - dinner disappears. Shel [Original Message] From: William Robb For most people, photographs are memory joggers. They don't really want to see the person or the place depicted, they want to remember the fun that was had at that place, with that person. The photograph is the tool used to remind them. This is why slide shows of other people's vacations are so very hard to sit through, and why people rarely show much interest in snapshots of people they don't know, or places they haven't been. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: The arab family
Jens Bladt wrote: All the children and women wanted me to take their pictures, which I eventually did. They didn't come out very well, though as I wasn't really equipped to do portraits. I on had the RTF flash (D and DL), which I'm not familiar with at all. I used a FA* 2.0 24mm and a FA 1.8 31mm. Here are the shots, which I have published only because they asked me to: http://www.jensbladt.dk/Stroeby/Stroeby-1.html click below the panorama to see the portraits I don't know if you took the address of the family, but if you did, I'm sure they would be grateful if you send them the photographs. Some of them are really good, lively portraits. Carlos -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Tent camping
JErome - I very much enjoyed browsing your trip -- I wish the pics each had captions re where you took them easier to say which photos I liked best for one thing :) As I'm an ardent road trip gal, and have traveled those routes as well, it really was enjoyable... It is a big project -- I have two long trips by car that are documented on cassette audio tapes and in photos but I haven't even listened to the tapes. trouble is, I sometimes forgot to turn off the recorder and there is a lot of dead stuff there.. I'm just lazy - so much to do so little time meanwhile -- wehre were you exactly when you too the last two of a mountain on the thumbnail page. I think the one over the lake is Reinier, right? I have a similar shot - I've been right there. yet I can't remember whic mountain it is. But the one before it is the really stunning shot... I love the Cascades ann 'Jerome Reyes wrote: (snip ) the website from my trip, by the way. Yes, it's been three years... but I'm still working on it. I've still got about 1/2 the trip photos to upload. http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/seattle/index.htm Happy Camping! - Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Do not warm colours
Many thanks, William and Mark. Kostas -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
The lesson I learned was, that lots of people don't look at the photographs as such. They look at the people IN the photographs. Photographs as such are not at all interesting - to most people. A good photograph is a photograph that shows a relative or a friend the way the he or she wants to remember this person. Noting else really matters. We traveled to attend a rehearsal dinner and wedding a couple of years ago. The morning after the rehearsal dinner, Nate and I were showing my mother our photos on the laptop. My mother got very annoyed with me for barely taking any photos of my relatives, and none of her! I was busy taking macro shots of the centerpieces instead...why would I take photos of people when I already know what they look like? :) Nate is much better at people pictures and is now the default person to perform that duty at family functions. Amita -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy
Yes - originally it was a black white photograph of a Victorian industrial coking and smelting plant in operation, but you've tweaked it with Photoshop into a colourful picture of a flower. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: 08 July 2006 17:25 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy Have a twinge of guilt about this image, also. Any idea why? (assuming you feel like playing) All comments appreciated. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=123 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Mrs. Mozart
A fascinating photograph in today's Guardian of Mozart's widow: http://arts.guardian.co.uk/news/story/0,,1815753,00.html I had no idea they had digital cameras back then. Cheers, Bobageno -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy
Close. LOL J --- Bob W [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes - originally it was a black white photograph of a Victorian industrial coking and smelting plant in operation, but you've tweaked it with Photoshop into a colourful picture of a flower. -- Cheers, Bob -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jack Davis Sent: 08 July 2006 17:25 To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy Have a twinge of guilt about this image, also. Any idea why? (assuming you feel like playing) All comments appreciated. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=123 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Tent camping
JErome - I very much enjoyed browsing your trip -- Thanks, Ann. I'm glad you enjoyed. I wish the pics each had captions re where you took them easier to say which photos I liked best for one thing :) I *just* created the just see photos link about a week ago, so those don't have captions yet (sorry). For now, you'd have to scroll thru the journal entries in order to figure out which photos correspond to where and what. It is a big project -- YES! It is. For me the biggest two parts are the scanning (it was all done on slide film) and transcribing the journal (it was all handwritten). But it's coming along though. I hope to be done this summer. meanwhile -- wehre were you exactly when you too the last two of a mountain on the thumbnail page. I think the one over the lake is Reinier, right? Yes, that's Rainier (as far as I know). The one with the clouds... http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/seattle/10225mtr.htm ... is also @ Mt. Rainier National Park but I don't know which mountain it is. I love the Cascades Thanks again. The waterfalls are my favorite part of just about any park. - Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Brick wall shot
Somebody has recently painted some spectacular graffiti on about 100m of wall on one of the wharves near my house. I photographed the full length of it today, and might do a panorama. Here's an excerpt http://www.web-options.com/P7080771.jpg You can see the shadow of my magnificent head in it, but it was unavoidable. Cheers, Bob -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
OT canon pro-1 and viewfinder comparisons
Happened into the local Micro Center electronics store and found they had one Canon Pro-1 camera left. It's an in-case demo unit. If Ann or anyone else would like it, I found they would let me have it for $610 plus tax. --- I was curious ... they had the Konica Minolta 7D, Olympus E500, E300, and Pentax DL bodies all on the shelf. I asked to see all of them and compared the viewfinders to my DS, fitted with 20-35/4 lens. KM 7D - virtually identical to the Pentax DS in magnification and brightness with stock screen. *ist DL - slightly brighter, lower magnification E500 ... E500 is a little lower magnification, same brightness (the different format proportion throws off your perceptions a little bit ... it's a little shorter in the vertical dimension) E300 ... about same vertically as the DS, a little more magnification then the E500, about a stop dimmer. By and large, I found all of them quite useable for manual focusing although the DS and 7D remain about the best for that, the DS particularly with the Katz Eye screen. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO -- Untitled VI now in BW was [Re: PESO -- Untitled VI]
Alright Ann, here it is in BW. http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_untitledvi%5Bbw%5D.html Same technical data as before if anyone wants details about the conversion I'll post separately. As usual yadda, yadda, yadda... Ann Sanfedele wrote: P. J. Alling wrote: I'm not sure I really like this little photo, but I'm sharing it anyway. I hope to get some feedback on it so here it is. http://www.mindspring.com/~megazip/PESO_--_untitledvi.html Technical Info: Pentax *ist-Ds ISO 200 @ 1/100sec (M) smc Pentax 17mm f4.0 fisheye @ ~f16.0 As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net I'd like to see it in black and white -- or at a different time of day subject matter and geometry of the shot very compelling, but the light sucks especially for color shooting this with black and white film I would have slapped on a red or orange filter. Was this once a covered bridge? ann -- When you're worried or in doubt, Run in circles, (scream and shout). -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: Color Cast Question
As noted elsewhere, the cast may have resulted from two or more light sources (daylight, tungsten, fluorescent). Also, I sometimes work on photos very late at night, when my eyes are tired, and I may miss some subtleties. A color cast can come from a lot of sources actually, I don't know how it got there can only guess and repeat what others have said. Shel [Original Message] From: Kostas Kavoussanakis whatsoever to those who noted a blue, green or even yellow cast. More interesting were the number of ways to eliminate the cast that others said didn't exist. I'm sure there will be more comments waiting for me when I check my mail further ;-)) Will you also tell us how the cast got there? Is it a reflection, or post-processing or... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Tent camping
Jerome, I enjoyed the photos on a quick browse, some are spectacular! I see you learned to listen to those inner voices the hard way. You shoulda paid the $200 for stiches though... Regards, Bob S. On 7/8/06, Jerome Reyes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JErome - I very much enjoyed browsing your trip -- Thanks, Ann. I'm glad you enjoyed. I wish the pics each had captions re where you took them easier to say which photos I liked best for one thing :) I *just* created the just see photos link about a week ago, so those don't have captions yet (sorry). For now, you'd have to scroll thru the journal entries in order to figure out which photos correspond to where and what. It is a big project -- YES! It is. For me the biggest two parts are the scanning (it was all done on slide film) and transcribing the journal (it was all handwritten). But it's coming along though. I hope to be done this summer. meanwhile -- wehre were you exactly when you too the last two of a mountain on the thumbnail page. I think the one over the lake is Reinier, right? Yes, that's Rainier (as far as I know). The one with the clouds... http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/seattle/10225mtr.htm ... is also @ Mt. Rainier National Park but I don't know which mountain it is. I love the Cascades Thanks again. The waterfalls are my favorite part of just about any park. - Jerome -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO -- Untitled VI now in BW was [Re: PESO -- Untitled VI]
I like it better BW than color russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
I do not have internet at home, so I do all my trolling at work, and I am frequently asked when looking at PESO's why I am looking at a picture of a dead tree, or a barn or whatever. Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: Can it also do video? And right after that I was informed: My phone takes pictures too, and it's smaller than that. -sigh- russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
oh, and to answer the question i don't know, maybe because it's fun to create, and i can't paint either. russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Moon Over Bluff Mountain
Still one of my favorite mountain shots I can see why Mark. I love the simplicity! Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Moon Over Bluff Mountain http://www.robertstech.com/peso.htm Taken three years ago. Still one of my favorite mountain shots. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO: Sun Shadow
An additional reply comment after re-reading your reaction post. The subtle pines images seen at the lower right were the only background available. Saw nothing of the lake, island or rim. Just dense fog for 'prox 24 hrs. The point that nothing was sacrificed I thought worth making. To me, the odd tree combination and stance, together with the mottled old/dirty snow base, was not enough to justify the shot, so I got creative. My point in putting it up was largely about the integrity of manipulation. Jack --- Shel Belinkoff [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yep, that sun shadow thing is a great distraction. Adds nothing to the photo, imo, and takes away from some subtle details in the background. Shel [Original Message] From: Jack Davis Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: OT: Why do you take pictures?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Russell Kerstetter Sent: 08 July 2006 22:01 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: OT: Why do you take pictures? I do not have internet at home, so I do all my trolling at work, and I am frequently asked when looking at PESO's why I am looking at a picture of a dead tree, or a barn or whatever. I can sympathise with them! When I see that kind of photo I am reminded of Cartier-Bresson's remark shortly before WW2: The world is falling to pieces and Adams and Weston are photographing rocks and trees. Bob smiley winking thing/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
From: Russell Kerstetter [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 2006/07/08 Sat PM 09:01:21 GMT To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: OT: Why do you take pictures? I do not have internet at home, so I do all my trolling at work, and I am frequently asked when looking at PESO's why I am looking at a picture of a dead tree, or a barn or whatever. Also, when I got my DL, one fo the first questions I was asked: Can it also do video? And right after that I was informed: My phone takes pictures too, and it's smaller than that. -sigh- Be glad; Darwin is alive and funtioning well in your work environment. P.S. I think you mean surfing or maybe browsing, not trolling.. - Email sent from www.ntlworld.com Virus-checked using McAfee(R) Software Visit www.ntlworld.com/security for more information -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: 50 Megapixels of GFM
Super job Mark. Its like i'm right there.:-) Oh, didi i mention I liked your presentation very much. Dave On Jul 7, 2006, at 5:19 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Final image is about 10,000 x 5000 pixels. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/multi-02a.jpg (200kb!) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PESO - Farmer's Market
Here is another web album on Picassa of the farmer's market this morning. I took about 30 pictures in raw and have spent too much time converting them. First I did 30 raw into jpegs, then highlight reduction on the jpegs. Uploaded from full 4 meg jpegs to a reduced size by Picassa. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/FarmerSMarket02 I can see better results in terms of details in the highlights, but this is starting to be work not fun. :-( Comments and sugestions would be appreciated. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Tent camping
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 7/7/2006 6:38:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll enjoy your trip from the shots you bring back - well, I'll check the lottery tonight though - who knows? :) ann Actually, it's going to be multiple trips, short trips. Not one big huge one. So it would be hard for you to go along. Unless you stayed with me for two months while I took the short trips, that is. So it would be hard for you to do. Maybe that helps. Maybe. Marnie aka Doe :-) __ LOL! - I know - I was just dreaming -- I'd be a real PITA to put up with for 2 months! I will, however, figure out a way to visit you in the future after you move to New Mexico. so be afraid, be very afraid :) ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
10-17mm Review
FYI, Aug issue of Pop Photo has very positive review of the Pentax 10~17mm f/3.5-4.5 DA fisheye zoom written by Herbert Kepler. As might be expected, older 17~28mm f/3.5-4.5 F fisheye, also, approvingly referenced for comparison. Pg 48 Jack __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: New K bodies listed on B
$1,000/pound. What rubbish. On that basis an airfare for a human being would be $150,000. I do wish people would think before making such crazy assertions. John On Mon, 03 Jul 2006 00:51:09 +0100, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nope, Shel's accurate on this one, they come over by the containerload on ships. Considering the cost of air freight across the Pacific is on the order of $1000/lb for large quantities, Air freight is certainly not viable for anything cheaper than a Canon 1Ds or Hasselblad. -Adam Paul Stenquist wrote: I think Shel was speaking metaphorically. Paul On Jul 2, 2006, at 5:13 PM, Powell Hargrave wrote: BH is listing them, as Shel pointed out. That means they should be available soon. Some may already be on ships. Do cameras move on ships these days? I would think that with the high value and the speed of the market it would make air cargo more likely. Powell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Using Opera's revolutionary e-mail client: http://www.opera.com/m2/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 10-17mm Review
- Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: 10-17mm Review FYI, Aug issue of Pop Photo has very positive review of the Pentax 10~17mm f/3.5-4.5 DA fisheye zoom written by Herbert Kepler. As might be expected, older 17~28mm f/3.5-4.5 F fisheye, also, approvingly referenced for comparison. Just proves old Herb is going blind. My 10-17 has really bad barrel distortion. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Farmer's Market
Nice. I want some of those Chanterelles. A few peppers to go with them as well, please. Paul On Jul 8, 2006, at 6:21 PM, Bob Sullivan wrote: Here is another web album on Picassa of the farmer's market this morning. I took about 30 pictures in raw and have spent too much time converting them. First I did 30 raw into jpegs, then highlight reduction on the jpegs. Uploaded from full 4 meg jpegs to a reduced size by Picassa. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/FarmerSMarket02 I can see better results in terms of details in the highlights, but this is starting to be work not fun. :-( Comments and sugestions would be appreciated. Regards, Bob S. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 10-17mm Review
Since it's a fisheye, one would expect that. No? On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:01 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: 10-17mm Review FYI, Aug issue of Pop Photo has very positive review of the Pentax 10~17mm f/3.5-4.5 DA fisheye zoom written by Herbert Kepler. As might be expected, older 17~28mm f/3.5-4.5 F fisheye, also, approvingly referenced for comparison. Just proves old Herb is going blind. My 10-17 has really bad barrel distortion. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Farmer's Market
Bob, Do your work in the raw converter, not on converted JPEGs. When you get the hang of RAW you'll be able to reduce the time you spend on making conversions substantially. Get The Book. Bob, yesterday I converted something like 30+ pics using a new and an established preset in the ACR converter. Total time to the finished images about 2 minutes. The rest of the time spent was the usual final cropping and tweaks. When you get the hang of it, it can be fast. Don't give up just because it's slow and unfamiliar in the beginning. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Sullivan I took about 30 pictures in raw and have spent too much time converting them. First I did 30 raw into jpegs, then highlight reduction on the jpegs. Uploaded from full 4 meg jpegs to a reduced size by Picassa. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/FarmerSMarket02 I can see better results in terms of details in the highlights, but this is starting to be work not fun. :-( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Farmer's Market
I can see better results in terms of details in the highlights, but this is starting to be work not fun. :-( Comments and sugestions would be appreciated. Ummm...film? :^) (Ducks and runs...) __ PDML Pentax-Digital Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- Steve Sharpe [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://earth.delith.com/photo_gallery.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - Farmer's Market
I'll second that. RAW conversion becomes almost an automatic with some practice. And you shouldn't have to reduce highlights after conversion. Unless you're really short of storage space, you should be converting your RAW files to tiffs, not jpegs. On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:10 PM, Shel Belinkoff wrote: Bob, Do your work in the raw converter, not on converted JPEGs. When you get the hang of RAW you'll be able to reduce the time you spend on making conversions substantially. Get The Book. Bob, yesterday I converted something like 30+ pics using a new and an established preset in the ACR converter. Total time to the finished images about 2 minutes. The rest of the time spent was the usual final cropping and tweaks. When you get the hang of it, it can be fast. Don't give up just because it's slow and unfamiliar in the beginning. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Sullivan I took about 30 pictures in raw and have spent too much time converting them. First I did 30 raw into jpegs, then highlight reduction on the jpegs. Uploaded from full 4 meg jpegs to a reduced size by Picassa. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/FarmerSMarket02 I can see better results in terms of details in the highlights, but this is starting to be work not fun. :-( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
RE: PESO - Farmer's Market
Nothing comes up for me tried it three times. Shel [Original Message] From: Bob Sullivan Here is another web album on Picassa of the farmer's market this morning. http://picasaweb.google.com/rf.sullivan/FarmerSMarket02 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 10-17mm Review
- Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: 10-17mm Review Since it's a fisheye, one would expect that. No? Some, but this is really bad... William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PEOW: Great Blue Heron Portrait
My feelings exactly - excellent shot, but ugly bird. I was thinking these birds were nicer looking - perhaps only at a distance. -- Bruce Friday, July 7, 2006, 11:34:04 PM, you wrote: KM I like the photo a lot but, alas, I don't think that the bird is KM very attractive! KM Keith McG KM Jay Taylor wrote: Here's a shot taken a couple months back with the *istDS with the FA*300 f4.5 stacked with the F1.7X Adapter. This combo gives me a 510mm focal length and is not too shabby provided there is some decent light. I tried some Noise Ninja reduction in the BibbleLite Raw processing, but didn't like the way detail was lost on the bird even though the background was quite a bit better without the noise. I suppose if I took the time, I could combine two images (one with noise removed in background), but I'm hard pressed to even get this much posted lately. Comments critique are always helpful from you folks. Thanks, JayT http://i.pbase.com/o4/87/63987/1/63091875.IxUtTQK6.GBHPortrait.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 10-17mm Review
That's interesting. The DA 12-24, which is a rectilinear, shows minimal barrel distortion. Paul On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:22 PM, William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: Paul Stenquist Subject: Re: 10-17mm Review Since it's a fisheye, one would expect that. No? Some, but this is really bad... William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - first peso
I would think the muddiness is a function of the conversion. that's what i thought. Earlier this afternoon, I recalled someone made a comment about a different PESO with a BW conversion, that it reminded him a photo that used to be color. I think that applies to this one as well. Also, I am using google's Picasa 2. What color filter did you use? Are you shooting digital? a green filter, and yes russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 10-17mm Review
It's a major thing with him that Pentax makes (seems they're the only maker) a zoom fisheye. Gets off on the idea that it affords one the option of 'tuning' the image distortion, to some extent. Jack --- William Robb [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Original Message - From: Jack Davis Subject: 10-17mm Review FYI, Aug issue of Pop Photo has very positive review of the Pentax 10~17mm f/3.5-4.5 DA fisheye zoom written by Herbert Kepler. As might be expected, older 17~28mm f/3.5-4.5 F fisheye, also, approvingly referenced for comparison. Just proves old Herb is going blind. My 10-17 has really bad barrel distortion. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - dodge ball tournament
Hello Russell, I think the real issue for me is that arm right up front, getting in the way of some of the picture. If you can do something about that, it might be worth working on. To just leave it there, I think weakens the picture too much. -- Best regards, Bruce Saturday, July 8, 2006, 7:06:08 AM, you wrote: RK this photo I cannot decide if I like or not RK I have spent a lot of time with Picasa messing with it, and have never RK been satisfied with what I came up with. For this version I hit I'm RK Feeling Lucky and decided to wait for comments before spending more RK time on it. RK I like it because shows the excitement and confusion of high RK intesity dodge-ball, but then everything is blurry. RK so do you think it is worth spending time on, or is it crap? RK http://www.avocadohead.com/piclinks/pic05.html RK Brutal and Honest :) RK Russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - first peso
I'm not an expert in the area of BW filtration, but I believe a green filter will lighten foliage but darken skin tones. That could be part of your problem. Shoot without a filter until you get yoru bearings on a standard conversion. The less you have to deal with at first, the better. Paul On Jul 8, 2006, at 7:42 PM, Russell Kerstetter wrote: I would think the muddiness is a function of the conversion. that's what i thought. Earlier this afternoon, I recalled someone made a comment about a different PESO with a BW conversion, that it reminded him a photo that used to be color. I think that applies to this one as well. Also, I am using google's Picasa 2. What color filter did you use? Are you shooting digital? a green filter, and yes russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Tent camping
Jerome Reyes wrote: meanwhile -- wehre were you exactly when you too the last two of a mountain on the thumbnail page. I think the one over the lake is Reinier, right? Yes, that's Rainier (as far as I know). The one with the clouds... http://www.exposedfilm.net/journal/seattle/10225mtr.htm ... is also @ Mt. Rainier National Park but I don't know which mountain it is. I love the Cascades Thanks again. The waterfalls are my favorite part of just about any park. - Jerome Hehe _ i like waterfalls, too, but actually, I meant the Cascade MOuntain range :):) anyway,again, nice stuff ann -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Shadow
Okay, just so everyone will be able to sleep tonight, I'm going to divulge the answer. It's a positive print of a color negative. Probably Kodak Ektar 100. Simply noticed on a light box. Has confused a couple of lab scanners in its time. Sold a few. Jack --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your reaction/repulsion. Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. Seeking comments. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
Jens Bladt wrote: I can't say that I disagree. As I have said - I'm not an artist - art is not my ambition. Still some journalistic photographs may very well be regarded as art. Like my favorite example American Girl in Italy, by Ruth Orkin. It's so brilliant I initially thought it was staged. It isn't, it's a snap shot: http://www.allposters.com/-sp/American-Girl-in-Italy-1951-Posters_i314665_.h tm Jens Bladt My response would be It's so brilliant , it must not staged :) :) It was my understanding that it was PARTLY staged, in that Orkin asked the girl to walk there for her when she was ready - the responses of the guys were not staged, but the woman knew she was being photographed... I was really disappointed when I found that out... annsan of the HCB school of photography -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Shadow
Hello Jack, The tree looks very interesting. The shadow thing doesn't even look real to me - very odd looking. I think it has a major negative impact on what otherwise might be a great photograph. -- Bruce Saturday, July 8, 2006, 7:33:45 AM, you wrote: JD Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your JD reaction/repulsion. JD Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. JD I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? JD Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. JD Seeking comments. JD Jack JD http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 JD __ JD Do You Yahoo!? JD Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around JD http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: 50 Megapixels of GFM
Since Panorama maker will only accommodate a maximum of four images per row... Mark IIRC, I've stitched six images in one row in Panorama Maker. Kenneth Waller - Original Message - From: Mark Roberts [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: 50 Megapixels of GFM Here's another multi-image stitching job: 12 images in two rows of six. Since Panorama maker will only accommodate a maximum of four images per row I stitched the two rows of six separately as horizontal panoramas and than combined the two rows in Photoshop. Final image is about 10,000 x 5000 pixels. http://www.robertstech.com/temp/multi-02a.jpg (200kb!) ist-D, Vivitar 70-210/2.8-4 Series 1 It's more of a technical statement than something noteworthy for its artistic merits, but I've learned a lot putting together big images like this one. -- Mark Roberts Photography Multimedia www.robertstech.com 412-687-2835 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: Re: OT: Why do you take pictures?
P.S. I think you mean surfing or maybe browsing, not trolling.. yes i suppose you are correct to me trolling has two connotations: a troll, but also poking about hoping to find something interesting, like when fishing but according to the wikipedia, there is only the one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_troll russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
PAW: Reactions
Somtimes people react very differently to the sam event. I saw this a an outdoor consert, where the band wasw playing Steven Reich compostions: http://www.flickr.com/photos/bladt/185094507/ Regards Jens Jens Bladt http://www.jensbladt.dk -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.9.10/383 - Release Date: 07/07/2006 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Tricked Up Poppy
Okay, so you'll get some sleep tonight, I'll tell you this is a positive print of a color negative. I clicked on the wrong subject in my first attempt to reveal the answer. Guess it was due to me excitement. Jack --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Have a twinge of guilt about this image, also. Any idea why? (assuming you feel like playing) All comments appreciated. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=123 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO - first peso
I do shoot filterless, I meant that was the filter used in the conversion i think that it helped to highlight the bird. which i suppose needing to highlight the bird is more evidence that Picasa isn't my best choice for BW conversions russell -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
Re: PESO: Sun Shadow
Never mind! J --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, just so everyone will be able to sleep tonight, I'm going to divulge the answer. It's a positive print of a color negative. Probably Kodak Ektar 100. Simply noticed on a light box. Has confused a couple of lab scanners in its time. Sold a few. Jack --- Jack Davis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Would appreciate y'all taking a look and sending along your reaction/repulsion. Taken 10 years ago on a foggy AM at Crater Lake, OR. I've always felt a little guilty about the donut shadow. Should I? Mamiya 6, 75mm lens on T-Max 100. Seeking comments. Jack http://photolightimages.com/aspupload/detail.asp?ID=121 __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net
