Re: Starfighters Co.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:35:07AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: There's only 2 flying Lanc's, 1 in the UK and one here in Canada, based out of Hamilton, about an hour west of Toronto. A beautiful bird, but small by todays standards. Yeah, I think there's only one Flying Fortress (B-17) left flying, in the Confederate Air Force of all places. IIRC, their B-24 crashed a couple of years ago and was a total loss. I don't believe you're right. The Collings Foundation have a B-17, B-24 and B-25 in their Wings of Freedom flight, and they claim there are currently fourteen B-17s in flyable condition in the USA. The B-24, though, is apparently the only one flying. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
Neat photo. As of the most recent news report I heard (ten minutes ago), 1500 homes have been destroyed and 500,000 people are evacuating San Diego. Only a few dead so far, thankfully. This is pretty bad. Be mindful of all those people who have lost their homes, give them your thoughts. Godfrey On 10/24/07, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people may have heard about new fires in Southern California. Fires are burning in Malibu, Orange County, and San Diego and county. Here is a very impressive picture: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/CAfires_from_space.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
I 3rd or 4th it. I've missed the split prism screen since my MX. It would appear that when AF came along, it was arbitrarily decided that a focusing aid for manual focus was no longer important. I used to, when starting out, take a steak knife with me and jam it in the ground, wherever, at the point I wanted critical focus. I'd then use the split screen to get it razor sharp. No need to ruin a shot because of missed focus. We're all fallible. Tom C. From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:26:17 -0400 Me too. I have a few MF lenses I really like and that Matte screen is lacking. Either that or my eyes are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2007 3:59 PM In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:04:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Katz Eye Split prism screen just arrived. I'll install it in my backup K10D tonight and give you a report after a couple of days of playing with it. and comparing it to the main. Regards, Bob... === I would be interested, now the price is down, I've been eyeing the K10D. And I want a split screen too. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:471e544485184412021166! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Primarily they spend more than they collect in taxes. Yet California is one of the richest states, and they collect an awful lot of taxes. = Well, we also have an awful of people. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 01:45:19PM +0800, David Savage wrote: At 01:38 PM 24/10/2007, John Francis wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 06:43:36AM +0800, David Savage wrote: I was just wondering last night after seeing the latest reports. Do they (state land management department) do prescribed burning cut firebreaks earlier in the year before the start of the fire season? Not a lot - that would take money, and California has budget issues. I wonder what the cost of battling out of control bush fires is doing to the state budget? Look - you know, and I know, that money spent on preventative measures saves many times the cost. But you can't persuade politicians to think in the long term - they only care about dollars being spent today. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
GDGPhoto.com News - exhibit City Streets - October 2007
Hello friends, One of my photographs has been juried into an exhibit opening this Friday in Sausalito, CA: City Streets Studio 333 333 Caledonia Sausalito, CA http://www.studio333.info showing October 26 to December 6, 2007 Artists Reception: Friday, October 26, 6-9pm I would like to invite you to visit the gallery to see the exhibit if you are local to the San Francisco Bay Area. I will be there for the reception. The photo that has been accepted for the show is featured on my website. Please see the Exhibits page at www.gdgphoto.com for more information about my exhibition activities. best, Godfrey DiGiorgi www.gdgphoto.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
John Francis wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 12:35:07AM -0400, Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: There's only 2 flying Lanc's, 1 in the UK and one here in Canada, based out of Hamilton, about an hour west of Toronto. A beautiful bird, but small by todays standards. Yeah, I think there's only one Flying Fortress (B-17) left flying, in the Confederate Air Force of all places. IIRC, their B-24 crashed a couple of years ago and was a total loss. I don't believe you're right. The Collings Foundation have a B-17, B-24 and B-25 in their Wings of Freedom flight, and they claim there are currently fourteen B-17s in flyable condition in the USA. The B-24, though, is apparently the only one flying. yeah, there's a number of B-17's in flying condition. The B-24's, Lanc's and B-29's are rare though. B-17's were rather popular as firebombers in the 60's and 70's, which kept a number of them in commercial service long past the demise of the other Heavies. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
The evacuation orders have been lifted in several areas today. On another hand, some more rural areas were ordered to evacuate toward the evening (e.g. Julian). So far, there was only 1 death directly related to the wildfire. The rest may or may not have been related (e.g. heart attacks). The number of injured in the fire is also relatively low: the last numbers I heard were: 22 civilians and 5 firefighters. I feel for those who lost their homes. As for the news reports, it is impressive how many times over last two days the information given by different sources was different from each other. Igor Wed Oct 24 02:07:31 EDT 2007 Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Neat photo. As of the most recent news report I heard (ten minutes ago), 1500 homes have been destroyed and 500,000 people are evacuating San Diego. Only a few dead so far, thankfully. This is pretty bad. Be mindful of all those people who have lost their homes, give them your thoughts. Godfrey On 10/24/07, Igor Roshchin str at komkon.org wrote: Some people may have heard about new fires in Southern California. Fires are burning in Malibu, Orange County, and San Diego and county. Here is a very impressive picture: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/CAfires_from_space.jpg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2007 - 44a - GDG
Love the concept - fringe lighting on the subject etc - but to my eyes the focal plane is on the window rather than the person - still guess that's what happens when you have to grope around in the dark trying to focus! Alastair On 10/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. I might clone out the window. Then again, I might not:-). Seriously, it's a nice shot. Not sure if it's sharp enough to stand up to printing, but it looks good on the web. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/23/2007 1:21:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for all the comments on #44. Another from Berkeley on Sunday ... For this one I had the camera in my lap, held vertically, and set the focus and exposure purely by guess as it was too dark in the room to see the numbers on the shutter speed dial or on the lens. I could find the infinity mark and turned the focusing ring by the amount I thought was about right, and I could find the A setting and then click-stop to the 1/2 second mark. I made two exposures, this one is sharp enough. I liked the way the light was coming in the window of the lecture hall and rimlighting the person sitting across the aisle watching the film that was being featured: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/44a.htm Comments, critique, etc always appreciated. best, Godfrey That's odd looking. I wasn't quite sure what that cone was up in the air, thought it looked like a floating cone or a dunce cap or something. Duh. Window. So maybe something could be done to make it a little clearer. But on the whole, I like it and find it interesting. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Half-Victory Sign
I wonder how one makes one full victory sign out of two half signs... On 10/23/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people just don't like getting their picture taken, I guess. (WARNING!: obscene gesture - do not open and view if offended by one-finger salutes) http://tinyurl.com/2sn86e http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rx3k91jUSaI/A1k/pUwIhQDFO60/s1600-h/oct_22+003.jpg At least he didn't try grabbing my camera and trashing it... Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Half-Victory Sign
A cultural diversion here. Isn't the British equivalent of gesture just like a victory sign, i.e., it uses two fingers? Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/24/2007 5:19 AM I wonder how one makes one full victory sign out of two half signs... On 10/23/07, frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people just don't like getting their picture taken, I guess. (WARNING!: obscene gesture - do not open and view if offended by one-finger salutes) http://tinyurl.com/2sn86e http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/Rx3k91jUSaI/A1k/pUwIhQDFO60/s1600-h/oct_22+003.jpg At least he didn't try grabbing my camera and trashing it... Comments always welcome. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:471f10a385189184815689! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
John Francis wrote: I don't believe you're right. The Collings Foundation have a B-17, B-24 and B-25 in their Wings of Freedom flight, and they claim there are currently fourteen B-17s in flyable condition in the USA. The B-24, though, is apparently the only one flying. It's entirely possible I'm confusing them. :-) -- Thanks, DougF (KG4LMZ) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Untitled XIV
A snowy beach scene. A unique catch. Sky nicely rendered. Jack --- P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been uninspired photographically lately, so I decided to mine out a shot from when I first got my *ist-D to work on. I thought this was good when I first made the image, but was unable to bring out the drama in the sky. With RSE I was able to do a much better job, finishing up with a few small curve adjustments in Photoshop. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20untitledxiv.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 IF[AL] As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO 2007 - 44a - GDG
A little too much out of focus. Jack --- Alastair Robertson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Love the concept - fringe lighting on the subject etc - but to my eyes the focal plane is on the window rather than the person - still guess that's what happens when you have to grope around in the dark trying to focus! Alastair On 10/24/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Interesting. I might clone out the window. Then again, I might not:-). Seriously, it's a nice shot. Not sure if it's sharp enough to stand up to printing, but it looks good on the web. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/23/2007 1:21:13 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Thanks for all the comments on #44. Another from Berkeley on Sunday ... For this one I had the camera in my lap, held vertically, and set the focus and exposure purely by guess as it was too dark in the room to see the numbers on the shutter speed dial or on the lens. I could find the infinity mark and turned the focusing ring by the amount I thought was about right, and I could find the A setting and then click-stop to the 1/2 second mark. I made two exposures, this one is sharp enough. I liked the way the light was coming in the window of the lecture hall and rimlighting the person sitting across the aisle watching the film that was being featured: http://homepage.mac.com/ramarren/photo/PAW7/44a.htm Comments, critique, etc always appreciated. best, Godfrey That's odd looking. I wasn't quite sure what that cone was up in the air, thought it looked like a floating cone or a dunce cap or something. Duh. Window. So maybe something could be done to make it a little clearer. But on the whole, I like it and find it interesting. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Half-Victory Sign
On 10/23/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See what happens when you speak before getting the REAL story? Let that be a lesson to alla you guys! Making assumptions can get you into trouble! He's a good actor! Well, I ~did~ kind of mislead you a bit... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - The Half-Victory Sign
And he did seem to have a convincing flare for the part. :) Jack --- frank theriault [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 10/23/07, keith_w [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: See what happens when you speak before getting the REAL story? Let that be a lesson to alla you guys! Making assumptions can get you into trouble! He's a good actor! Well, I ~did~ kind of mislead you a bit... ;-) cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Untitled XIV
Peter, Sky is better. I would crop out some of the left...maybe half of the nearest building. Regards, Bob S. On 10/23/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been uninspired photographically lately, so I decided to mine out a shot from when I first got my *ist-D to work on. I thought this was good when I first made the image, but was unable to bring out the drama in the sky. With RSE I was able to do a much better job, finishing up with a few small curve adjustments in Photoshop. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20untitledxiv.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 IF[AL] As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Untitled XIV
In a message dated 10/23/2007 9:40:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I've been uninspired photographically lately, so I decided to mine out a shot from when I first got my *ist-D to work on. I thought this was good when I first made the image, but was unable to bring out the drama in the sky. With RSE I was able to do a much better job, finishing up with a few small curve adjustments in Photoshop. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20untitledxiv.html Equipment: Pentax *ist-D/smc Pentax FA 28-200mm f3.8~5.6 IF[AL] As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored. === Interesting, I like it. Somehow, though, I feel there is still too much sky. HTH. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
Well most of the people I met in LA were awful.. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Primarily they spend more than they collect in taxes. Yet California is one of the richest states, and they collect an awful lot of taxes. = Well, we also have an awful of people. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Seattle suggestions?
In a message dated 10/23/2007 11:27:35 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'm going to have a couple of half-days to do some shooting in Seattle next week. It has been years since I was last there. I won't have a car. Specific question: Is the Seattle-Bainbridge Island or the Seattle-Bremerton ferry better photographically? Rick === You might check out University of Washington. Parts of the campus look like an eastern campus, older buildings, ivy covered. Some interesting architectural stuff. Marnie aka Doe - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
MX and battery level.
I find the manual not to be very clear... It says (I think) that if I push the sutter relase half-way and see a LED turning on, then battery is OK. Do I understood correctly? If so, what if the batteries are suddenly depleted... no warning? Thanks. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
In a message dated 10/24/2007 7:40:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well most of the people I met in LA were awful.. == NorCal here, it's almost a separate state. Parts of SoCal are awful. (Though San Diego is/was quite pretty.) But some very nice people here and there in SoCal. They can't help where they live. Marnie aka Doe ;-) (Sorry, can't really keep the awful thing going.) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
Most of the people you meet in LA aren't even from LA. I worked there for a couple of months a year for twenty years or so. Enjoyed it much. Made many friends. It's like everywhere else: There's good and there's bad. I'm now quite concerned about some of my friends who live in the canyons north of LA. Haven't been able to reach them. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/24/2007 7:40:25 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Well most of the people I met in LA were awful.. == NorCal here, it's almost a separate state. Parts of SoCal are awful. (Though San Diego is/was quite pretty.) But some very nice people here and there in SoCal. They can't help where they live. Marnie aka Doe ;-) (Sorry, can't really keep the awful thing going.) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
- Original Message - From: Thibouille Subject: MX and battery level. I find the manual not to be very clear... It says (I think) that if I push the sutter relase half-way and see a LED turning on, then battery is OK. Do I understood correctly? If so, what if the batteries are suddenly depleted... no warning? That's more or less correct. Keep a spare set of batteries in your bag. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
On Oct 24, 2007, at 8:00 AM, Thibouille wrote: I find the manual not to be very clear... It says (I think) that if I push the sutter relase half-way and see a LED turning on, then battery is OK. Do I understood correctly? If so, what if the batteries are suddenly depleted... no warning? The fact that the LEDs can no longer light up is the warning... Batteries used in the MX have a very flat power delivery curve. Since the camera uses LEDs as part of the metering indication, it has at least minimal voltage regulation incorporated into the circuitry ... when the batteries can no longer deliver enough to illuminate the LEDs, they are dead. Always carry a fresh spare battery in your bag... Of course, the fact that it is a mechanical camera means that you can keep shooting whether the meter is working or not. :-) Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
Thanks to you both... I thought they would be something like on my P30, the LEDs do go ON but they blink which means tht it works but... maybe not the next shot. My SuperA also flashes ooo on the LCD. Weird. But I suppose it was like that at the time ;) I prefer my KX battery check. Thanks again... Those little 1.5V button cells are quite expensive for what they are IMO, 7 euros for 2 :'( -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
Thibouille wrote: I find the manual not to be very clear... It says (I think) that if I push the sutter relase half-way and see a LED turning on, then battery is OK. Do I understood correctly? If so, what if the batteries are suddenly depleted... no warning? In my experience with precisely one MX, just before the batteries die the meter will get wonky. The LEDs won't light consistently, and will appear to jump around. When I notice this sort of behavior, I replace the batteries as soon as I can. If I don't, within a couple weeks they won't light at all. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
I haven't had a battery die in an MX in quite some time, but IIRC the LEDs start to flicker slightly when the batteries get iffy. If you diligently turn the meter off after each use the batteries will last quite some time after they start to flicker, but it's a good time to invest in a new pair to carry with you. Thibouille wrote: I find the manual not to be very clear... It says (I think) that if I push the sutter relase half-way and see a LED turning on, then battery is OK. Do I understood correctly? If so, what if the batteries are suddenly depleted... no warning? Thanks. -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
... Batteries used in the MX have a very flat power delivery curve. Since ... You can find a 3V lithium battery, which replaces both 1.5V silver oxide batteries. Michel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
OT more NASA space images of California wildfires
Some more impressive NASA images of wildfires in So. California and dust clouds from Mexican Baja California. http://www.nasa.gov/vision/earth/lookingatearth/socal_wildfires_oct07.html Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
Mmm that is new for me, Michel (maybe I should write KRG ;) Do you new the model number for that Lithium cell? 2007/10/24, Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... Batteries used in the MX have a very flat power delivery curve. Since ... You can find a 3V lithium battery, which replaces both 1.5V silver oxide batteries. Michel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
Merci Michel ;) On 10/24/07, Michel Carrère-Gée [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Thibouille a écrit : Mmm that is new for me, Michel (maybe I should write KRG ;) Do you new the model number for that Lithium cell? I have a no-name CR-1/3N on my SuperA . You can find a 3V lithium battery, which replaces both 1.5V silver oxide batteries. Michel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
Thibouille a écrit : Mmm that is new for me, Michel (maybe I should write KRG ;) Do you new the model number for that Lithium cell? I have a no-name CR-1/3N on my SuperA . You can find a 3V lithium battery, which replaces both 1.5V silver oxide batteries. Michel -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
.. I have a no-name CR-1/3N on my SuperA . Google report Sanyo for CR-1/3N -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Fall foliage this Sunday
Hey, gang! I'll be out and about around the Harrisburg, PA area this coming Sunday, October 28th. I'll probably get out of town a bit and try to find some decent fall foliage to photograph. If'n anyone's nearby, drop me a line. I'd love to have some company. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Sensor cleaning
A friend pointed out to me that someone may actually think my flippant tongue-in-cheek recommendation might fall on the eyes of someone who doesn't know what hydrofluoric acid is. hydrofluoric acid is used to etch glass. It will, in fact, remove everything from the sensor, including the sensor, which it will also dissolve. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: Bob Blakely [EMAIL PROTECTED] A little hydrofluoric acid will remove everything from the sensor. The only problem with just blowing is that the removed particles are most likely to remain in the camera's light box accumulating to mount a second sensor invasion. Further, there are oils in the air which will eventually build up. Not only will the oils degrade the image, they will aid dust particle invasion by sticking them to the sensor. How soon this will happen is probably related to how much diesel traffic crop spraying goes on in your area. No amount of huffing and puffing will blow this down. I expect digital SLR CLA to be required more often than with film. There are several cleaning kits on the market specifically for sensors, but I've not tried them yet. Advantage - Digital PS and Film. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. Tom C wrote: I 3rd or 4th it. I've missed the split prism screen since my MX. It would appear that when AF came along, it was arbitrarily decided that a focusing aid for manual focus was no longer important. I used to, when starting out, take a steak knife with me and jam it in the ground, wherever, at the point I wanted critical focus. I'd then use the split screen to get it razor sharp. No need to ruin a shot because of missed focus. We're all fallible. Tom C. From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:26:17 -0400 Me too. I have a few MF lenses I really like and that Matte screen is lacking. Either that or my eyes are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2007 3:59 PM In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:04:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Katz Eye Split prism screen just arrived. I'll install it in my backup K10D tonight and give you a report after a couple of days of playing with it. and comparing it to the main. Regards, Bob... === I would be interested, now the price is down, I've been eyeing the K10D. And I want a split screen too. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:471e544485184412021166! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
There's a tilt to the whole North American Continent. Everything that's loose rolls into LA. It' like a big bowl of cereal. After you remove all the fruits and the nuts, there's nothing left but the flakes. Apologies to those that may be offended. Offered for humor only. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] Well most of the people I met in LA were awful.. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:37 AM, graywolf wrote: Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. I've replaced split image rangefinder focusing screens with a plain matte focusing screen in virtually every SLR I've owned since 1968 for exactly the same reason. I don't even like too many scribe markings near the center of the focusing screen, they get in the way. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
What is an awful of people? Is that like a gaggle of geese? Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Primarily they spend more than they collect in taxes. Yet California is one of the richest states, and they collect an awful lot of taxes. = Well, we also have an awful of people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
That's why I live in Orange County. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 7:30 AM Subject: Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California. Well most of the people I met in LA were awful.. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
Use my Sunny 11 rule*, you get more correct exposures that way than if you use f/16. The MX only uses the batteries for the meter, everything else is mechanical (Unless you are talking about that tiny digital movie camera Bill Owens likes so well). * As I have said here in the past the Sunny 16 rule was used before the film manufactures doubled their exposure indexes back in 1959, so using f/11 and the recipical of the ASA rating for you shutter speed. That is one advantage of ASA over DIN, just try using the recipical of the DIN rating that way and see what you get GRIN. Now for the people who are going to take me to task for using ASA instead of ISO, you know who you are. ISO is a combination of ASA and DIN ratings, if you are not using both it is not properly an ISO rating. Thibouille wrote: I find the manual not to be very clear... It says (I think) that if I push the sutter relase half-way and see a LED turning on, then battery is OK. Do I understood correctly? If so, what if the batteries are suddenly depleted... no warning? Thanks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Yeah I guess you're right. Those millions of SLR's sold with split prism screens in the 60's, 70's, 80's all had them for no good reason. Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:37:23 -0400 Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. Tom C wrote: I 3rd or 4th it. I've missed the split prism screen since my MX. It would appear that when AF came along, it was arbitrarily decided that a focusing aid for manual focus was no longer important. I used to, when starting out, take a steak knife with me and jam it in the ground, wherever, at the point I wanted critical focus. I'd then use the split screen to get it razor sharp. No need to ruin a shot because of missed focus. We're all fallible. Tom C. From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:26:17 -0400 Me too. I have a few MF lenses I really like and that Matte screen is lacking. Either that or my eyes are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2007 3:59 PM In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:04:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Katz Eye Split prism screen just arrived. I'll install it in my backup K10D tonight and give you a report after a couple of days of playing with it. and comparing it to the main. Regards, Bob... === I would be interested, now the price is down, I've been eyeing the K10D. And I want a split screen too. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:471e544485184412021166! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
Use the L76BOP (CR 1/3 N) Lithium battery. They work fine. One replaces the two S76. They are cheaper than the silver cells too. Also they have a long shelf life, something that is important these days when we do not use our film cameras as extensively as we used to. Thibouille wrote: Thanks again... Those little 1.5V button cells are quite expensive for what they are IMO, 7 euros for 2 :'( -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
- Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: MX and battery level. Now for the people who are going to take me to task for using ASA instead of ISO, you know who you are. ISO is a combination of ASA and DIN ratings, if you are not using both it is not properly an ISO rating. I believe that ASA (American Standards Association) ratings were adopted by the ISO (International Standards Association) a couple of decades ago. The Europeans then dropped the German DIN rating, which was a logarithmic system. The DIN rating system has nothing in common with the ASA/ISO rating. William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
To each his own then. The intimation made (not by you) that people do not know *how* to focus without a focusing aid though is absurd. It's obvious that when it appears that it's in focus it probably is. As far as readjusting focus after one thinks they are there... what does it hurt graywolf? If one achieved focus in the first place, then moved off and back on just to confirm, then it's just as likely they achieved critical focus the second time as well. Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:00:48 -0700 On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:37 AM, graywolf wrote: Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. I've replaced split image rangefinder focusing screens with a plain matte focusing screen in virtually every SLR I've owned since 1968 for exactly the same reason. I don't even like too many scribe markings near the center of the focusing screen, they get in the way. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
William Robb wrote: - Original Message - From: graywolf Subject: Re: MX and battery level. Now for the people who are going to take me to task for using ASA instead of ISO, you know who you are. ISO is a combination of ASA and DIN ratings, if you are not using both it is not properly an ISO rating. I believe that ASA (American Standards Association) ratings were adopted by the ISO (International Standards Association) a couple of decades ago. The Europeans then dropped the German DIN rating, which was a logarithmic system. The DIN rating system has nothing in common with the ASA/ISO rating. William Robb That's actually incorrect. The ISO rating is a combination of the ASA and DIN ratings. ASA400 film is DIN 27 is ISO 400/27. We traditionally drop the DIN portion of the ISO rating as it simply duplicates the ASA portion and the ASA rating scheme has very distinct advantages (Like the Sunny 16 rule). Check your film boxes, the DIN half is still there. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:37 AM, graywolf wrote: Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. I've replaced split image rangefinder focusing screens with a plain matte focusing screen in virtually every SLR I've owned since 1968 for exactly the same reason. I don't even like too many scribe markings near the center of the focusing screen, they get in the way. Godfrey Ditto. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO - MIsty Morning
Frank, I sincerely hope that you feel much better than this. An excellent photo, but I am a bit worried about you, you know. Cheer up! Boris frank theriault wrote: Still not sure about this one; sometimes I don't like it, sometimes it's okay, sometimes it's better than okay. Any thoughts? http://tinyurl.com/34srg3 http://bp2.blogger.com/_EaTEtfR4WJw/RxyWRFjUSXI/A1M/gqjX5arUvnU/s1600-h/oct_22+006.jpg cheers and thanks, frank -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
Pass Grace our regards and best wishes. She's growing to become a real princess... Boris Paul Stenquist wrote: Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
On Oct 24, 2007, at 10:00 AM, Tom C wrote: Yeah I guess you're right. Those millions of SLR's sold with split prism screens in the 60's, 70's, 80's all had them for no good reason. They had them for good reason, Tom: they made it faster to achieve close approximate focus. But there was never a one size fits all optical focusing aid that works as well as a matte screen. That's why Nikon offered as many as 30 different focusing screens with optical aids for the Nikon F line back in the '60s and '70s, with big charts to say which one to use with what lenses for what situations. Instructions for use of a focusing screen with a focusing aid always recommended that critical focus be done with the surrounding fine-matte-ground focusing surface, unless the particular screen was not equipped with any and was designed entirely to support focusing speed and brightness instead of critical accuracy. Only the matte screens (and there were three or four of those) were on the compatible and recommended list for all lenses. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: GESO: Berkshire Pig
Fascinating. The hmmm process of eating that involves at least four changes of courses And dessert and so on and so forth... I can only imagine what effort it would take to stand up from the table after such a feast. Well, it is good that I don't eat pork ;-). Boris Derby Chang wrote: Part of Good Food Month, Hat's Off are special nights were restaurants around town present a degustation off their normal flight path. We booked early to avoid disappointment, and disappointed we were not. http://members.iinet.net.au/~derbyc/07_10/07_10_atelier/index.htm Oh boy. D -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
David Savage wrote: On 10/24/07, Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Some people may have heard about new fires in Southern California. Fires are burning in Malibu, Orange County, and San Diego and county. Here is a very impressive picture: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/CAfires_from_space.jpg Very cool (although not if your in it's path) I was just wondering last night after seeing the latest reports. Do they (state land management department) do prescribed burning cut firebreaks earlier in the year before the start of the fire season? Cheers, Dave Always, and the bulk of the landowners pretty much ignore them. The ones that go out of their way to comply usually come out okay. However, in raging firestorm conditions like we've had this past week, a 100 yard firebreak of cleared burnables around your property is so small, it doesn't matter... sad. keith whaley -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
Adam Maas wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: If you want a great sounding bird, very little beats a Lancaster, with it's 4 Merlins. I've never been near a running Lanc, though I've seen them on static display several times. I have had a B-17 and B-24 go overhead at around 1,000 feet. Heard them coming and going for _miles_. Nothing really sounds like a four-piston-engined bird. There's only 2 flying Lanc's, 1 in the UK and one here in Canada, based out of Hamilton, about an hour west of Toronto. A beautiful bird, but small by todays standards. Small but effective. I think it has three or four times the payload capacity of the B17. No armour except for the cockpit -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Shoot, I guess I'll have to tell that to all my in focus photos I took from 1990 to 1997. :-) If there's one thing this list seems to have the propensity for, it's arguing about the right way to do something when there is more than one right way. What does anyone care if I like split prism screens for focusing? And what do I care if you don't? :-) Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:49:36 -0400 Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Exactly my feelings as well. -- Bruce Wednesday, October 24, 2007, 9:37:23 AM, you wrote: g Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me g they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I g am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. g Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do g not trust their eye. g In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass g image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into g focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try g to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a g higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. g That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can g focus anywhere on the screen. g Tom C wrote: I 3rd or 4th it. I've missed the split prism screen since my MX. It would appear that when AF came along, it was arbitrarily decided that a focusing aid for manual focus was no longer important. I used to, when starting out, take a steak knife with me and jam it in the ground, wherever, at the point I wanted critical focus. I'd then use the split screen to get it razor sharp. No need to ruin a shot because of missed focus. We're all fallible. Tom C. From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:26:17 -0400 Me too. I have a few MF lenses I really like and that Matte screen is lacking. Either that or my eyes are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2007 3:59 PM In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:04:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Katz Eye Split prism screen just arrived. I'll install it in my backup K10D tonight and give you a report after a couple of days of playing with it. and comparing it to the main. Regards, Bob... === I would be interested, now the price is down, I've been eyeing the K10D. And I want a split screen too. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:471e544485184412021166! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Tom, Note I never said that you can't take in focus images with a split image screen. You are responding to something I didn't say. I said they're less accurate for wide lenses, and dead-on focus merits a matte screen and a magnifier (LF technique in other words). Of course, with 35mm, dead-on focus is only really an issue for macro work, which often involves... magnifiers to determine critical focus. -Adam Tom C wrote: Shoot, I guess I'll have to tell that to all my in focus photos I took from 1990 to 1997. :-) If there's one thing this list seems to have the propensity for, it's arguing about the right way to do something when there is more than one right way. What does anyone care if I like split prism screens for focusing? And what do I care if you don't? :-) Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:49:36 -0400 Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Even though I am in the camp that prefers the matte with no other focusing aids, here is my take on what happened. For most people, learning to use the split image is probably easier and more comforting to use. So in the glory days, all cameras came with that as standard. Those who preferred something else could buy and install that screen. When AF and slow zooms became the norm, one big problem with a split image is that it blacks out after about 5.6 or so - this can cause problems with slow lenses (the most commonly purchased). On top of that, the main AF sensor in most cameras is in the same spot which could cause problems for the sensor. So the easiest thing for the manufacturers to do was to take out the focusing aids and let the masses use AF instead. That is where we are today. The better models are allowing for changing of screens just like in the past for those who prefer some other screen. This is all my conjecture and is not based upon any hard fact or knowledge. -- Bruce Wednesday, October 24, 2007, 11:15:40 AM, you wrote: TC Shoot, I guess I'll have to tell that to all my in focus photos I took from TC 1990 to 1997. :-) TC If there's one thing this list seems to have the propensity for, it's TC arguing about the right way to do something when there is more than one TC right way. TC What does anyone care if I like split prism screens for focusing? And what TC do I care if you don't? :-) TC Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:49:36 -0400 Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
November PUG is up!
Holy cow! It's early for a change. http://pug.komkon.org/ The theme for December is Happy Feelings, and the submission form is here: http://pdmlpug.org/?cat=4 Lots of good stuff this month. I just hope I got it up before those other guys got their opposites gallery up. Copy cats. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
My digital movie camera
Graywolf mentioned my propensity for liking the Optio MX. First off, I've never used it as a video camera, only for still images. Being somewhat physically challenged, I find the movable live view screen easy to use. Also, it's the only so called PS digital that allows shutter or aperture priority and, if you show desire, full manual exposure. With a 1 gig card I could get over 500 images, or, if I were to use it in video mode, over an hour of movies. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO: Up the Hard Way
Thanks Boris. -- Original message -- From: Boris Liberman [EMAIL PROTECTED] Pass Grace our regards and best wishes. She's growing to become a real princess... Boris Paul Stenquist wrote: Grace has been determined to crawl up a slide the wrong way. She made it today. DA 16-45 at f4, 21 mm. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6553758size=lg -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 06:53:13PM +0100, mike wilson wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: If you want a great sounding bird, very little beats a Lancaster, with it's 4 Merlins. I've never been near a running Lanc, though I've seen them on static display several times. I have had a B-17 and B-24 go overhead at around 1,000 feet. Heard them coming and going for _miles_. Nothing really sounds like a four-piston-engined bird. There's only 2 flying Lanc's, 1 in the UK and one here in Canada, based out of Hamilton, about an hour west of Toronto. A beautiful bird, but small by todays standards. Small but effective. I think it has three or four times the payload capacity of the B17. No armour except for the cockpit The Lancaster could (when stripped down) carry as much as a 22,000lb bomb. That was about three times the payload of a B17. To put thing in perspective - modern strike fighters such as the F-16 or the Eurofighter have a payload of 14,000lb or so - something like 80% of the normal payload of an unmodified Lancaster, or twice what a B17 could carry. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Remember Frank's tag line: Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. Tom C wrote: I 3rd or 4th it. I've missed the split prism screen since my MX. It would appear that when AF came along, it was arbitrarily decided that a focusing aid for manual focus was no longer important. I used to, when starting out, take a steak knife with me and jam it in the ground, wherever, at the point I wanted critical focus. I'd then use the split screen to get it razor sharp. No need to ruin a shot because of missed focus. We're all fallible. From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Me too. I have a few MF lenses I really like and that Matte screen is lacking. Either that or my eyes are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2007 3:59 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Katz Eye Split prism screen just arrived. I'll install it in my backup K10D tonight and give you a report after a couple of days of playing with it. and comparing it to the main. I would be interested, now the price is down, I've been eyeing the K10D. And I want a split screen too. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My digital movie camera
Bill Owens wrote: Graywolf mentioned my propensity for liking the Optio MX. First off, I've never used it as a video camera, only for still images. Being somewhat physically challenged, I find the movable live view screen easy to use. Also, it's the only so called PS digital that allows shutter or aperture priority and, if you show desire, full manual exposure. With a 1 gig card I could get over 500 images, or, if I were to use it in video mode, over an hour of movies. Bill I like the MX. I bought it because it had a good focal length range ~38-380 which is usable in movie mode (a lot of PS digis at the time didn't allow zooming during video capture). One main reason I bought it was to send videos of the new (at the time) daughter to my in-laws in Australia. They love to receive short videos of Alex acting, well like Alex. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
John Francis wrote: The Lancaster could (when stripped down) carry as much as a 22,000lb bomb. Ah yes, the earthquake bomb. They used them to bring down bridges: It didn't have to hit the bridge, just strike nearby where the shock waves from the explosion (I believe they were fused to go off after impact, underground) would literally shake the bridge down. They had to remove the bob bay doors to fit those bombs, I htink. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
In a message dated 10/24/2007 9:54:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What is an awful of people? Is that like a gaggle of geese? Regards, Bob... === LOL. I didn't even see that. Being dyslexic, I often drop a word from a sentence. An awful LOT of people. Marnie aka Doe ;-) But, yeah, I would say we have a gaggle in CA. - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:28:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam === I don't want the split prism as much as grid lines, my horizons are often off. Often way off. And it seems to only way to get grid lines, at this point in time, is with a Katz Eye. And they only offer grid lines with a split prism screen. The split prism screen, well, shrug, I've gotten sort of used to NOT having it (since Digital), but it would still be very nice for macro work. I've never felt I focus manually as well without it as I did with it. Personally, I would like replacement screens, of all sorts, to available on all upper and semi-upper DSLRs. Even mid-range DSLRs. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
John Francis wrote: On Wed, Oct 24, 2007 at 06:53:13PM +0100, mike wilson wrote: Adam Maas wrote: Doug Franklin wrote: Adam Maas wrote: If you want a great sounding bird, very little beats a Lancaster, with it's 4 Merlins. I've never been near a running Lanc, though I've seen them on static display several times. I have had a B-17 and B-24 go overhead at around 1,000 feet. Heard them coming and going for _miles_. Nothing really sounds like a four-piston-engined bird. There's only 2 flying Lanc's, 1 in the UK and one here in Canada, based out of Hamilton, about an hour west of Toronto. A beautiful bird, but small by todays standards. Small but effective. I think it has three or four times the payload capacity of the B17. No armour except for the cockpit The Lancaster could (when stripped down) carry as much as a 22,000lb bomb. That was about three times the payload of a B17. To put thing in perspective - modern strike fighters such as the F-16 or the Eurofighter have a payload of 14,000lb or so - something like 80% of the normal payload of an unmodified Lancaster, or twice what a B17 could carry. To put it even more in perspective, the B-52H has a max payload of 70,000lbs, and the B-1B holds 75,000lbs internally and can carry another 59,000lbs on pylons (but the START 1 treaty prevents the use of external stores on the B-1B). The B-2 is a lightweight, topping out at 40,000lbs. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: My digital movie camera
The focal length and the extreme macro mode make prints up to 8x10 possible with little or no cropping. Bill -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christian Sent: Wednesday, October 24, 2007 3:12 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: My digital movie camera Bill Owens wrote: Graywolf mentioned my propensity for liking the Optio MX. First off, I've never used it as a video camera, only for still images. Being somewhat physically challenged, I find the movable live view screen easy to use. Also, it's the only so called PS digital that allows shutter or aperture priority and, if you show desire, full manual exposure. With a 1 gig card I could get over 500 images, or, if I were to use it in video mode, over an hour of movies. Bill I like the MX. I bought it because it had a good focal length range ~38-380 which is usable in movie mode (a lot of PS digis at the time didn't allow zooming during video capture). One main reason I bought it was to send videos of the new (at the time) daughter to my in-laws in Australia. They love to receive short videos of Alex acting, well like Alex. -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
On 10/23/07, Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If you want a great sounding bird, very little beats a Lancaster, with it's 4 Merlins. We get it over Toronto on a regular basis during Airshow season. Like you, I've seen and heard that Lanc on a regular basis. IIRC, it was built in Canada @ AV Roe just at the end of the war, but never got shipped for active duty. Did maritime reconnaissance work for a time before being mothballed and then restored. You're right, it does sound great, but there's something about radial engines that turns my crank. I've heard Corsairs, which are incredibly loud, but the only multi-engined radials I've ever heard is a B25 Mitchell. Even with only two engines, IMHO they sound better than the four Merlins in the Lanc! cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
From: http://www.warbirdalley.com/ B-17G, 17,600 pounds of bombs. Lancaster Mk I, Fourteen 1,000 pound bombs. B-24, 12,800 lb. maximum bomb load Bomb load could be traded for ceiling and/or range with all these. For example, B-17 typically flew with 6000 pounds of bombs to gain range and altitude. On a clear day, the B-17 could be quite accurate from 30,000 ft. Gotta compare them operating under the same conditions. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: John Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Small but effective. I think it has three or four times the payload capacity of the B17. No armour except for the cockpit The Lancaster could (when stripped down) carry as much as a 22,000lb bomb. That was about three times the payload of a B17. To put thing in perspective - modern strike fighters such as the F-16 or the Eurofighter have a payload of 14,000lb or so - something like 80% of the normal payload of an unmodified Lancaster, or twice what a B17 could carry. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
I'm probably splitting hairs Adam. :-) Actually I've considered dead-on focus to be important in every shot. That's what I shoot for, dead-on focus at the crtical spot, with understanding of DOF. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 14:32:15 -0400 Tom, Note I never said that you can't take in focus images with a split image screen. You are responding to something I didn't say. I said they're less accurate for wide lenses, and dead-on focus merits a matte screen and a magnifier (LF technique in other words). Of course, with 35mm, dead-on focus is only really an issue for macro work, which often involves... magnifiers to determine critical focus. -Adam Tom C wrote: Shoot, I guess I'll have to tell that to all my in focus photos I took from 1990 to 1997. :-) If there's one thing this list seems to have the propensity for, it's arguing about the right way to do something when there is more than one right way. What does anyone care if I like split prism screens for focusing? And what do I care if you don't? :-) Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 13:49:36 -0400 Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam Bob Blakely wrote: If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
Bob Blakely wrote: From: http://www.warbirdalley.com/ B-17G, 17,600 pounds of bombs. Lancaster Mk I, Fourteen 1,000 pound bombs. B-24, 12,800 lb. maximum bomb load Bomb load could be traded for ceiling and/or range with all these. For example, B-17 typically flew with 6000 pounds of bombs to gain range and altitude. On a clear day, the B-17 could be quite accurate from 30,000 ft. Gotta compare them operating under the same conditions. Regards, Bob... Neither the B-17 nor the B-24 ever operated with bombloads greater than 8000lbs, their max loads were very theoretical. The Lancaster B1 Special dropped 41 22,000lb bombs during operational missions in 1945. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:28:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam === I don't want the split prism as much as grid lines, my horizons are often off. Often way off. And it seems to only way to get grid lines, at this point in time, is with a Katz Eye. And they only offer grid lines with a split prism screen. The split prism screen, well, shrug, I've gotten sort of used to NOT having it (since Digital), but it would still be very nice for macro work. I've never felt I focus manually as well without it as I did with it. Personally, I would like replacement screens, of all sorts, to available on all upper and semi-upper DSLRs. Even mid-range DSLRs. Marnie aka Doe :-) The Pentax LL-60 screen for the D/DS has grid lines, I'm pretty sure the K10D has a similar screen available. The DL and K1x0D series are the only ones Pentax has chosen not to offer screens for. I do like grid screens myself. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
So, do you ever lay awake at night wondering if there is a Dog? Regards, Bob... dyslexics of the world, UNTIE. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] LOL. I didn't even see that. Being dyslexic, I often drop a word from a sentence. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
Adam Maas wrote: Bob Blakely wrote: From: http://www.warbirdalley.com/ B-17G, 17,600 pounds of bombs. Lancaster Mk I, Fourteen 1,000 pound bombs. B-24, 12,800 lb. maximum bomb load Bomb load could be traded for ceiling and/or range with all these. For example, B-17 typically flew with 6000 pounds of bombs to gain range and altitude. On a clear day, the B-17 could be quite accurate from 30,000 ft. Gotta compare them operating under the same conditions. Regards, Bob... Neither the B-17 nor the B-24 ever operated with bombloads greater than 8000lbs, their max loads were very theoretical. The Lancaster B1 Special dropped 41 22,000lb bombs during operational missions in 1945. -Adam yeah but my dad could beat up your dad! -- Christian http://photography.skofteland.net -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: November PUG is up!
Some nice ones. I really like Franks bench scene. Reall shows the story very nicely! Walt On 10/24/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy cow! It's early for a change. http://pug.komkon.org/ The theme for December is Happy Feelings, and the submission form is here: http://pdmlpug.org/?cat=4 Lots of good stuff this month. I just hope I got it up before those other guys got their opposites gallery up. Copy cats. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
They sold billions of plastic cameras with a single element lens too. So what is your point? In the case of my MX's back then they sold them with a split image screen so they could sell me a plain ground glass screen for another $35. Tom C wrote: Yeah I guess you're right. Those millions of SLR's sold with split prism screens in the 60's, 70's, 80's all had them for no good reason. Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:37:23 -0400 Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. Tom C wrote: I 3rd or 4th it. I've missed the split prism screen since my MX. It would appear that when AF came along, it was arbitrarily decided that a focusing aid for manual focus was no longer important. I used to, when starting out, take a steak knife with me and jam it in the ground, wherever, at the point I wanted critical focus. I'd then use the split screen to get it razor sharp. No need to ruin a shot because of missed focus. We're all fallible. Tom C. From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:26:17 -0400 Me too. I have a few MF lenses I really like and that Matte screen is lacking. Either that or my eyes are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2007 3:59 PM In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:04:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Katz Eye Split prism screen just arrived. I'll install it in my backup K10D tonight and give you a report after a couple of days of playing with it. and comparing it to the main. Regards, Bob... === I would be interested, now the price is down, I've been eyeing the K10D. And I want a split screen too. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:471e544485184412021166! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
In a message dated 10/24/2007 1:03:14 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: So, do you ever lay awake at night wondering if there is a Dog? Regards, Bob... = I used to in my twenties. But I got over it. Marnie aka Doe ;-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:56:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax LL-60 screen for the D/DS has grid lines, I'm pretty sure the K10D has a similar screen available. The DL and K1x0D series are the only ones Pentax has chosen not to offer screens for. I do like grid screens myself. -Adam == I am not aware that Pentax offers any replacement screens for the K10D. I mean if someone can find a link that says that I would be quite happy to hear about it. KatsEye seems to be the only one doing it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Halloween Approaches
Glad to see no pumpkins were harmed in the making of this image ! VBG Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Rick Womer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: PESO: Halloween Approaches A photo of our neighbor's front steps; another in my On My Way to Work series. http://photo.net/photodb/photo?photo_id=6561303 K10D, FA 28/2.8, ISO 200, f/4 @ 1/90, RAW via Lightroom. Comments appreciated! Rick -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:56:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax LL-60 screen for the D/DS has grid lines, I'm pretty sure the K10D has a similar screen available. The DL and K1x0D series are the only ones Pentax has chosen not to offer screens for. I do like grid screens myself. -Adam == I am not aware that Pentax offers any replacement screens for the K10D. I mean if someone can find a link that says that I would be quite happy to hear about it. KatsEye seems to be the only one doing it. Marnie aka Doe :-) http://www.pentaxslr.com/accessories The K10D grid screen is the LL-80 -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
If your eye is exactly in the right place, and your lens is the right focal length, and the f-stop is correct, then a split image rangefinder is fairly accurate. Remember the offset is all but non-existent. It can not compare in any sense to a long base optical rangefinder, and compared to a ruler it is problematic. I can say from personal experience that it is not accurate enough for an 85mm lens at 3 feet and f/2.0 when you want the subjects irises razor sharp every time. Bob Blakely wrote: If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
I thought my point was obvious. Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:03:57 -0400 They sold billions of plastic cameras with a single element lens too. So what is your point? In the case of my MX's back then they sold them with a split image screen so they could sell me a plain ground glass screen for another $35. Tom C wrote: Yeah I guess you're right. Those millions of SLR's sold with split prism screens in the 60's, 70's, 80's all had them for no good reason. Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 12:37:23 -0400 Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. Tom C wrote: I 3rd or 4th it. I've missed the split prism screen since my MX. It would appear that when AF came along, it was arbitrarily decided that a focusing aid for manual focus was no longer important. I used to, when starting out, take a steak knife with me and jam it in the ground, wherever, at the point I wanted critical focus. I'd then use the split screen to get it razor sharp. No need to ruin a shot because of missed focus. We're all fallible. Tom C. From: Steve Desjardins [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2007 16:26:17 -0400 Me too. I have a few MF lenses I really like and that Matte screen is lacking. Either that or my eyes are. [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/23/2007 3:59 PM In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:04:47 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My Katz Eye Split prism screen just arrived. I'll install it in my backup K10D tonight and give you a report after a couple of days of playing with it. and comparing it to the main. Regards, Bob... === I would be interested, now the price is down, I've been eyeing the K10D. And I want a split screen too. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. !SIG:471e544485184412021166! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
I have the LL-60 screen in my D. I'd like to have a similar screen in my K10D. Paul -- Original message -- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:56:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax LL-60 screen for the D/DS has grid lines, I'm pretty sure the K10D has a similar screen available. The DL and K1x0D series are the only ones Pentax has chosen not to offer screens for. I do like grid screens myself. -Adam == I am not aware that Pentax offers any replacement screens for the K10D. I mean if someone can find a link that says that I would be quite happy to hear about it. KatsEye seems to be the only one doing it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
This whole argument is nonsensical. All of us are prone to misfocus with and without a focusing aid because we're not robots. And even AF misfocuses. It's a preference. My Brownie Hawkeye was always in focus. Also had a nice big negative and exposure was bangon 99% of the time. Tom C. From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 16:14:44 -0400 If your eye is exactly in the right place, and your lens is the right focal length, and the f-stop is correct, then a split image rangefinder is fairly accurate. Remember the offset is all but non-existent. It can not compare in any sense to a long base optical rangefinder, and compared to a ruler it is problematic. I can say from personal experience that it is not accurate enough for an 85mm lens at 3 feet and f/2.0 when you want the subjects irises razor sharp every time. Bob Blakely wrote: If you have a split image scree that is not dead on accurate, you have an improperly designed and/or manufactured screen. It would mean that the center line where the prisms cross is not in the same plane as the ground glass's frost. FYI, I believe they are optical plastic now. Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Level... the new Nikon D3/300 has a virtual horizon, almost like an artificial horizon aircraft guage, on the LCD. Unfortunately where it's really needed is in the viewfinder. I'd like to see that as standard equipment on DSLR's. With a post-exposure warning when the camera is tilted at button press. :-) A tripod of course helps with level and a bubble level on the hotshoe can also when shooting that way. Tom C. From: Adam Maas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 15:55:53 -0400 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/24/2007 11:28:39 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Split images are less accurate with wider lenses, the shift is smaller and aligning less precise. No split image is dead-on accurate and if that's a requirement, a matte screen and a magnifier are the way to go. -Adam === I don't want the split prism as much as grid lines, my horizons are often off. Often way off. And it seems to only way to get grid lines, at this point in time, is with a Katz Eye. And they only offer grid lines with a split prism screen. The split prism screen, well, shrug, I've gotten sort of used to NOT having it (since Digital), but it would still be very nice for macro work. I've never felt I focus manually as well without it as I did with it. Personally, I would like replacement screens, of all sorts, to available on all upper and semi-upper DSLRs. Even mid-range DSLRs. Marnie aka Doe :-) The Pentax LL-60 screen for the D/DS has grid lines, I'm pretty sure the K10D has a similar screen available. The DL and K1x0D series are the only ones Pentax has chosen not to offer screens for. I do like grid screens myself. -Adam -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: MX and battery level.
On 10/24/07, graywolf [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Use my Sunny 11 rule*, you get more correct exposures that way than if you use f/16. The MX only uses the batteries for the meter, everything else is You know, I'm only (I wanted to write 'already' but feared reactions lol) 26 and I still use ASA in my mind when I'm talking film. In digital, everybody always use the term ISO so it comes naturaly but a film for me means ASA not ISO... Being 26 I understand why a couple from you, guys might have problems (running quickly and try to find a bunker ;D) -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille -- K10D,Z1,SuperA,KX,MX, P30t and KR-10x ;) ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
Because your eye is trying to focus on the image too. Then you have two different systems working against each other. The trick is to focus you eye on something distant then grab the first snap into focus on the ground glass. Try it, it works. There is another technique where you focus on the ground glass surface. You can fiddle to your hearts content if you can do that properly, but it is a skill that takes a while to learn. I was never good at it unless I had a scribe line to hold my eye focus which is why I like the grid screen. The snap focus one can be learned by most folks with a few minutes practice. Tom C wrote: To each his own then. The intimation made (not by you) that people do not know *how* to focus without a focusing aid though is absurd. It's obvious that when it appears that it's in focus it probably is. As far as readjusting focus after one thinks they are there... what does it hurt graywolf? If one achieved focus in the first place, then moved off and back on just to confirm, then it's just as likely they achieved critical focus the second time as well. Tom C. From: Godfrey DiGiorgi [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2007 10:00:48 -0700 On Oct 24, 2007, at 9:37 AM, graywolf wrote: Just to give the other point of view, I hate split image focusing devices. To me they are annoying, right in the middle of the picture where I want to see what I am looking at, and they are not as accurate as you guys seem to think they are. Plain ground glass with grid is my choice. It is interesting how many folks do not trust their eye. In my opinion that is because they do not know how to focus a ground glass image. The trick is to trust that first instant when the imagae snaps into focus. If you start fiddling the focus back and forth your eye has time to try to adjust itself, and you will never get right. I have always found that I get a higher percentage of properly focused images that way than I do with autofocus. That method has a couple of other advantages; it is very quick, and you can focus anywhere on the screen. I've replaced split image rangefinder focusing screens with a plain matte focusing screen in virtually every SLR I've owned since 1968 for exactly the same reason. I don't even like too many scribe markings near the center of the focusing screen, they get in the way. Godfrey -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: My digital movie camera
No put down intended, Bill. I thought it was a neat camera when you showed it to me. Bill Owens wrote: Graywolf mentioned my propensity for liking the Optio MX. First off, I've never used it as a video camera, only for still images. Being somewhat physically challenged, I find the movable live view screen easy to use. Also, it's the only so called PS digital that allows shutter or aperture priority and, if you show desire, full manual exposure. With a 1 gig card I could get over 500 images, or, if I were to use it in video mode, over an hour of movies. Bill -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
From context it is millions of people milling around in a low spot in the ground. Bob Blakely wrote: What is an awful of people? Is that like a gaggle of geese? Regards, Bob... Art is not a reflection of reality. it is the reality of a reflection. -Jean Luc Godard - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] In a message dated 10/23/2007 10:49:39 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Primarily they spend more than they collect in taxes. Yet California is one of the richest states, and they collect an awful lot of taxes. = Well, we also have an awful of people. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California.
Thanks for posting the map link. We have close friends in Olivenhain, this link let me get an idea of the proximity of the fires to them. They were ordered to leave their house on Monday. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: Igor Roshchin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: OT Impressive image -- fires in So. California. Some people may have heard about new fires in Southern California. Fires are burning in Malibu, Orange County, and San Diego and county. Here is a very impressive picture: http://www.komkon.org/~igor/CAfires_from_space.jpg (I copied it from http://www.nbcsandiego.com/slideshow/news/14396456/detail.html as it is under flash-viewer, and cannot be referred to directly and it might be pushed out later today.) It is an unprecedented fire in San Diego county that started on Sunday. There are several fires in the county, surrounding the central part of the city, and spreading in various sides, some merging with each other. It looks like the exact number of people evacuated is not known, as different news sources and officials report different numbers: between 300,000 and 500,000. Over 1000 buildings are burned. All universities and schools and many companies are shutdown since Monday, and expected to be that way at least until Wednesday, and possibly through the end of the week. Most events are canceled or postponed. Most air-broadcast TV stations in San Diego have direct news broadcast about 18-20 hours per day. Last night, the nearest evacuation zone boundary was about 3-5 miles from our place, so we packed the most valuable documents and photos before going to bed, to be ready for quick evacuation if ordered. This morning the Witch Creek fire that was the most threating to us has seemingly slowed down, while another one (Harris) that is in the SouthEastern side of the county is spreading more. Those who are interested in the detailed and timely updated map can look here: http://tinyurl.com/37dvp2 Igor -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
And Rule o' thirds to boot. http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/469572-REG/Pentax_38575_LL_80_AF_Divided_Matte.html [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:56:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax LL-60 screen for the D/DS has grid lines, I'm pretty sure the K10D has a similar screen available. The DL and K1x0D series are the only ones Pentax has chosen not to offer screens for. I do like grid screens myself. -Adam == I am not aware that Pentax offers any replacement screens for the K10D. I mean if someone can find a link that says that I would be quite happy to hear about it. KatsEye seems to be the only one doing it. Marnie aka Doe :-) - Warning: I am now filtering my email, so you may be censored. ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com -- The difference between individual intelligence and group intelligence is the difference between Harvard University and the Harvard University football team. -- P. J. O'Roark -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Diapositive
I just learned a new word. A friend asked me to scan some slides. The box he gave me has the phrase diapositives Kodak. I knew a slide is a positive of course, but I had never heard it with a dia- prefix. Something to keep in mind for Scrabble. Tom C. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Starfighters Co.
Well, the B-25 only had 28 cylinders, while the Lancaster had 48. But it always seemed that the radials sort of rumbled while the v-12's sort of snarled. The one that always sent shivers up my spine was the Beech 18 (C-45) throttled back with the 9 cyl PW R-985 engines slightly out of sync. frank theriault wrote: You're right, it does sound great, but there's something about radial engines that turns my crank. I've heard Corsairs, which are incredibly loud, but the only multi-engined radials I've ever heard is a B25 Mitchell. Even with only two engines, IMHO they sound better than the four Merlins in the Lanc! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen
I know a divided matte focusing screen is available. I've seen it either on the Pentax web site or B+H's. Part # LL 80 - $44.95. Kenneth Waller http://tinyurl.com/272u2f - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Katz Eye Split prism screen In a message dated 10/24/2007 12:56:32 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: The Pentax LL-60 screen for the D/DS has grid lines, I'm pretty sure the K10D has a similar screen available. The DL and K1x0D series are the only ones Pentax has chosen not to offer screens for. I do like grid screens myself. -Adam == I am not aware that Pentax offers any replacement screens for the K10D. I mean if someone can find a link that says that I would be quite happy to hear about it. KatsEye seems to be the only one doing it. Marnie aka Doe :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: November PUG is up!
Some good stuff in there this month! Actually, I beat you to it by a couple of years. This was my theme shot for a challenge in 2005 http://www.pbase.com/digipets/image/40351677 It's opposites in more ways than one. The dogs are both Belgian tervurens but one has a reverse mask. One shot was taken with a Canon camera and the other with a Pentax :-) pentax http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/38619389 canon http://www.pbase.com/wendybeard/image/38842114 Wendy On 10/24/07, Scott Loveless [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Holy cow! It's early for a change. http://pug.komkon.org/ Lots of good stuff this month. I just hope I got it up before those other guys got their opposites gallery up. Copy cats. -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: PESO -- Untitled XIV
On 10/24/07, P. J. Alling [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been uninspired photographically lately, so I decided to mine out a shot from when I first got my *ist-D to work on. I thought this was good when I first made the image, but was unable to bring out the drama in the sky. With RSE I was able to do a much better job, finishing up with a few small curve adjustments in Photoshop. http://www.mindspring.com/~happydogsoftware/PESO%20--%20untitledxiv.html I like it. It's the curving beach-edge that makes it - beautiful crescent. cheers, frank -- Sharpness is a bourgeois concept. -Henri Cartier-Bresson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
