OT: Interesting sunset photo

2012-08-21 Thread David Mann
It's amazing what you can snap with a suitable vantage point.

http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2012/08/sunset-above-the-atlantic-ocean.html

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More pathology

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen
Tonight, there was a blues/fusion dance at 418, the space I asked about 
processing images from.  There was no band, and the room was lit with the blue 
LED spots, and with some red incandescent bulbs.  In some ways, the lighting 
was even more bizarre than it was on the band Saturday night.

It does seem, however, that there is some interesting creative potential for 
photographs taken in light with super saturated, imbalanced colors.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631172113850/


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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

 What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest 
 buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal length 
 and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as I'm concerned. 
 I'm essentially looking for something very common and highly regarded.

It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high image 
quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama.

Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in vertical 
orientation and when you take a bunch of photos and stitch them together, you 
even get higher resolution than you would with a wide angle lens.  If you want 
to go all out, you calculate the nodal point, bend some steel into a 90 degree 
bracket, drill a hole at the nodal point, buy a 1/4-20 nut and you are golden.  

Mount it on the K100, and you get landscapes with the colors of the K100 
sensor, the field of view of a wide angle, and better resolution than the K-5.

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Re: Sigma 70-300

2012-08-21 Thread Jos from Holland

Hi Darren,
I have the Sigma 70-300 /4-5.6 APO DG, I like its sharpness and I made 
some very nice macro's with it (it has a macro switch for 200-300mm) It 
is bulky but supprisingly light weight.

Recently I did a comparitive test with some lenses a had that covered 200mm.
I took pictures at following conditions:
only at 200mm, distance 3m, tripod, mirror up (2 sec pre time), 400ISO,  K5
My opinion pixel peeping the pictures:

Pentax and Tamron 28-200 @ F5.6 and F8 Okay (T and P very simular)
Pentax A 70-210 @ 5.6 sharp maybe the best of all @5.6, @F8 very sharp
DA 50-200 @f5.6 not good @ F8 improved a lot but no A70-210
Sigma 18-200  F8 quite good not worse than 50-200
Sigma 70-300 @ 5.6 and F8 nicely sharp
SMC-M 80-200 not so nice
Sigma 28-200 F8 quite good, F5.6 bad
Sigma 135-400 @5.6 very good, maybe the best, @ F8 super
Pentax F80-200 not bad
I will never sell my Sigma 70-300 at usual prices
Greetz, Jos



On 20-8-2012 20:12, David J Brooks wrote:

Went to the local Henrys today to get some Epson 2400 inks and the
Pentax remote F. I asked a few questions about the 55-300 and he
steered me to a lens on sale till Aug 31st. The Sigma 70-300. Its on
sale for $199 down from $299. I was surprised at the low price, but we
tooks a few in store photos with it and i'm impressed with the IQ.

Anyone using this one, comments.

He said he had one for his Nikon, but i find salesmen always have what
they are trying to sell. He did show me some photos on his iPhone that
he claimed were taken with it, and they looked good on the small
screen.

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Flame ahead Re: PESO: Ugli Fungi

2012-08-21 Thread Derby Chang


Dan, I have to make a comment. Bob, Ann and Jeffrey's posts were pretty 
amusing. It is what keeps a list enlivening to read. From a neutral 
Aussie point of view, I immediately saw James Carville as a somewhat 
dangerous and bulbous mushroom to be approached with caution. Did not 
see any political propaganda in the least. Yes, I do follow American 
politics closely, and I do know who James Carville is. I was just 
waiting for the Mary Matalin joke.


Lighten up, dude. And take more interesting photos, ok?





On 20/08/2012 11:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

If you guys want to hijack this list for propagation of your political
views, please at least label your posts as OT
Dan Matyola
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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com wrote:

Carville teaches at my alma mater, and I assume that he lives near the park.

Regards,

Jeffery
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On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:12 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:


From: Ann Sanfedele


On 8/19/2012 19:33, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
Jeffery Smith

Down here this has been the wettest summer in recent memory, though
most of the US has been drought-prone. It hasn't stopped raining all
day today. This has led to a population explosion of mushrooms
(actually, poisonous toadstools, I think) around the city. I've run
into some fairy rings of them at Audubon Park, but didn't have my
camera(!).

Last week was even more annoying. James Carville jogged past me in the
park, and me without a camera.


is he some kind of poisonous toadstool?

B


quite the opposite :-)

ann

The one Democrat who sticks it to the Republicans on a regular basis.

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Re: PESO - In the Flow

2012-08-21 Thread Derby Chang



I have the same rule, and the same one to be broken. Love the tonal 
separation on his profile, and apropos of the recent pedal discussion, 
that focus on this feet. Works for me.





On 20/08/2012 11:59 AM, frank theriault wrote:

I kind of broke a personal rule (or, more accurately, guideline) here.
  I don't like to photograph people from behind.  However, of the three
shots I got of this guy (I was bracketing) this one was the most
dynamic and gives the best feeling of speed:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/08/in-flow.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
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Re: More pathology

2012-08-21 Thread Derby Chang


This one is very groovy

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7829610438/

You have an iconic t-shirt design on the left there.


On 21/08/2012 5:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

Tonight, there was a blues/fusion dance at 418, the space I asked about 
processing images from.  There was no band, and the room was lit with the blue 
LED spots, and with some red incandescent bulbs.  In some ways, the lighting 
was even more bizarre than it was on the band Saturday night.

It does seem, however, that there is some interesting creative potential for 
photographs taken in light with super saturated, imbalanced colors.

http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631172113850/


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Re: Peso: I Hear the Train A'Comin'

2012-08-21 Thread David J Brooks
Excellent shot

Dave

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Re: PESO - The Three Caballeros

2012-08-21 Thread David J Brooks
Nice portrait shot

Dave

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:59 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 I originally started talking to the fellow with the boater;  I wanted
 to get the hat for Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats (haven't posted on
 that blog in months).  However they wanted me to get all three of
 them, three young men out on the town (this was taken outside of
 Parkdale's Cadillac Lounge):

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-three-caballeros.html

 I thought it was kind of fun.  Hopefully you do, too.  Comments always 
 welcome.

 Got hat guy's e-mail address, and I'm sending him a copy right now.

 cheers,
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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Matthew Hunt
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:


 It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high image 
 quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama.

 Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in vertical 
 orientation and when you take a bunch of photos and stitch them together, you 
 even get higher resolution than you would with a wide angle lens.  If you 
 want to go all out, you calculate the nodal point, bend some steel into a 90 
 degree bracket, drill a hole at the nodal point, buy a 1/4-20 nut and you are 
 golden.

 Mount it on the K100, and you get landscapes with the colors of the K100 
 sensor, the field of view of a wide angle, and better resolution than the K-5.

Frankly, if that was my strategy for getting ultrawide shots, I think
I'd miss more than I got.

- In some cases, because the circumstances (weather, light) change
before I can get everything set up and execute the panorama
- In other cases, because I'm disinclined or prohibited from carrying
a tripod where I'm going
- In other cases, because I'm not sufficiently sold on a shot (in
advance) to go through the effort

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The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Paul Stenquist
My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted here 
didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical dream cruise 
machine.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/
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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Ann Sanfedele

Nice work!
and I love that pink Bel-Air - though I prefer it in Aqua :-)

ann

On 8/21/2012 07:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:

My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted here 
didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical dream cruise 
machine.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/



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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The
idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses.

Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near Q
with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be
awesome.

It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their
prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then
this one.
The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely
high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus
K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go
with it.
On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a
slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all
in one lens).

The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people
who still don't get the Q. This guy certainly gets it.

This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8
Think iPhone's sensor only much larger.

This is going to be a macro  birder's dream camera (along with
everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no
understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But
this one is a Winner with a capital W.

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
This guy certainly gets it link:
http://www.seriouscompacts.com/f90/pentax-q-real-world-user-review-11773/index4.html#post91442
You'll find Pinholecam on seriouscompacts.com and pentaxforums.com

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The
 idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses.

 Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near Q
 with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be
 awesome.

 It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their
 prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then
 this one.
 The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely
 high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus
 K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go
 with it.
 On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a
 slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all
 in one lens).

 The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people
 who still don't get the Q. This guy certainly gets it.

 This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8
 Think iPhone's sensor only much larger.

 This is going to be a macro  birder's dream camera (along with
 everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no
 understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But
 this one is a Winner with a capital W.



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Re: OT: Interesting sunset photo

2012-08-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Amazing indeed!
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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:20 AM, David Mann dmann...@gmail.com wrote:
 It's amazing what you can snap with a suitable vantage point.

 http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2012/08/sunset-above-the-atlantic-ocean.html

 Dave


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Re: Sigma 70-300

2012-08-21 Thread David J Brooks
Thanks for that

Dave

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:47 AM, Jos from Holland
jos_from_holl...@onsnet.nu wrote:
 Hi Darren,
 I have the Sigma 70-300 /4-5.6 APO DG, I like its sharpness and I made some
 very nice macro's with it (it has a macro switch for 200-300mm) It is bulky
 but supprisingly light weight.
 Recently I did a comparitive test with some lenses a had that covered 200mm.
 I took pictures at following conditions:
 only at 200mm, distance 3m, tripod, mirror up (2 sec pre time), 400ISO,  K5
 My opinion pixel peeping the pictures:

 Pentax and Tamron 28-200 @ F5.6 and F8 Okay (T and P very simular)
 Pentax A 70-210 @ 5.6 sharp maybe the best of all @5.6, @F8 very sharp
 DA 50-200 @f5.6 not good @ F8 improved a lot but no A70-210
 Sigma 18-200  F8 quite good not worse than 50-200
 Sigma 70-300 @ 5.6 and F8 nicely sharp
 SMC-M 80-200 not so nice
 Sigma 28-200 F8 quite good, F5.6 bad
 Sigma 135-400 @5.6 very good, maybe the best, @ F8 super
 Pentax F80-200 not bad
 I will never sell my Sigma 70-300 at usual prices
 Greetz, Jos




 On 20-8-2012 20:12, David J Brooks wrote:

 Went to the local Henrys today to get some Epson 2400 inks and the
 Pentax remote F. I asked a few questions about the 55-300 and he
 steered me to a lens on sale till Aug 31st. The Sigma 70-300. Its on
 sale for $199 down from $299. I was surprised at the low price, but we
 tooks a few in store photos with it and i'm impressed with the IQ.

 Anyone using this one, comments.

 He said he had one for his Nikon, but i find salesmen always have what
 they are trying to sell. He did show me some photos on his iPhone that
 he claimed were taken with it, and they looked good on the small
 screen.

 Dave




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Re: Flame ahead Re: PESO: Ugli Fungi

2012-08-21 Thread Daniel J. Matyola
Derby, there are many places where politics and political humor can be
discussed among those who wish to do so.

I have participated in other internet groups that once were lively and
dynamic, and provided a valuable exchange of information and ideas,
but have been torn apart by the injection of off-topic  political
diatribes and arguments.  Those fora still exist, but the levels of
participation and enthusiasm are but a fraction of what they once
were.

I have no desire to be a censor.  Please note that I did not object to
the posts, but only requested that any posts that deviate into
political commentary be clearly marked as OT:.  I thought that a
reasonable enough request.  Your mileage may vary.

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On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 Dan, I have to make a comment. Bob, Ann and Jeffrey's posts were pretty
 amusing. It is what keeps a list enlivening to read. From a neutral Aussie
 point of view, I immediately saw James Carville as a somewhat dangerous and
 bulbous mushroom to be approached with caution. Did not see any political
 propaganda in the least. Yes, I do follow American politics closely, and I
 do know who James Carville is. I was just waiting for the Mary Matalin joke.

 Lighten up, dude. And take more interesting photos, ok?





 On 20/08/2012 11:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

 If you guys want to hijack this list for propagation of your political
 views, please at least label your posts as OT
 Dan Matyola
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 On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com
 wrote:

 Carville teaches at my alma mater, and I assume that he lives near the
 park.

 Regards,

 Jeffery
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 On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:12 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com wrote:

 From: Ann Sanfedele

 On 8/19/2012 19:33, Bob W wrote:

 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
 Of
 Jeffery Smith

 Down here this has been the wettest summer in recent memory, though
 most of the US has been drought-prone. It hasn't stopped raining all
 day today. This has led to a population explosion of mushrooms
 (actually, poisonous toadstools, I think) around the city. I've run
 into some fairy rings of them at Audubon Park, but didn't have my
 camera(!).

 Last week was even more annoying. James Carville jogged past me in
 the
 park, and me without a camera.

 is he some kind of poisonous toadstool?

 B

 quite the opposite :-)

 ann

 The one Democrat who sticks it to the Republicans on a regular basis.

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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Stan Halpin
Thanks for the report! We were at the other end of the state and I couldn't 
manage the trip down. Maybe next year . . .

stan

Sent from my iPad

On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

 My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted 
 here didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical dream 
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Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak:
ricehigh.blogspot.com
The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is.
This is your K-5 upgrade.


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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the
kit lens a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency.

Think iPhone quality sensor only LARGER instead of so much smaller
than APS-C. Even Pentax Full Frame buyers are going to own an X-5. It
is like the Ultimate 4x Teleconverter for all their existing Good
Glass. (Has to be Good Glass because smaller sensor pixel pitch makes
them more susceptible to CA). They are going to sell a million DFA
100mm Macros and Limited to go on this lens, once people understand.

This is absolutely BRILLIANT and suddenly makes all the RD that
Pentax did on the slow-selling Q look like sheer genius. They now
own three sweet spots with the best camera (and glass): APS-C with
the K-5, 1/2.8 with the X-5, and 1/2.3 with the Q.

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:29, Darren Addy wrote:

 Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak:
 ricehigh.blogspot.com
 The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is.
 This is your K-5 upgrade.
 

PS Superzoom.

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Walt,

I have some lenses that I am willing to loan out.
Tamron 300/5.6.
M100/4 macro
M28/2.8 (second edition, same as the A but w/o the A setting)


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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Charles Robinson
On Aug 21, 2012, at 8:16, Darren Addy wrote:

 I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the
 kit lens a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency.
 

I see no mechanism/switch/whatever for removing the lens.

The promo refers to the camera itself (not the supplied lens) as a 26x 
Ultrazoom Point and Shoot.

I think you're stuck with that lens on there.

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The
 idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses.

I don't see any sort of a lens release button on the pictures.

 

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Re: Mailing list change?

2012-08-21 Thread George Sinos
Tim -  I noticed the same thing and had been chalking it up to gmail.
For a while, I would see re: on replies in the message list. When I
opened the message gmail would display the full thread with the
original subject line at the top of the list.

Now I don't even see the re: in the message list.

Don't know where it's coming from, I had just figured it was gmail.

gs

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Bruce Walker
It's a bridge camera. Superzoom non-detachable lens.


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 Actually, I sort of missed the lens.
 4.0 to 105mm ?
 4mm. Clearly this is not a full frame.

 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak:
  ricehigh.blogspot.com
  The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description
  probably is.
  This is your K-5 upgrade.
 
 
  --
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  own, is to get over the confusion
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Re: More pathology

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:

 Oh yeah! This is teetering dangerously close to being Fine Art, Larry.
 You better watch out.

I doubt my work even qualifies as art, and I'm at least a gallery exhibit and a 
pretentious artist statement from any of those photos being fine art.

 
 Really fun shots.

Thanks.

 
 
 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:
 
 This one is very groovy
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7829610438/

Thanks.  I'm not sure why blown out blue goes straight to white, when there is 
no red or green in the signal.

 
 You have an iconic t-shirt design on the left there.
 
 
 
 On 21/08/2012 5:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:
 
 Tonight, there was a blues/fusion dance at 418, the space I asked about
 processing images from.  There was no band, and the room was lit with the
 blue LED spots, and with some red incandescent bulbs.  In some ways, the
 lighting was even more bizarre than it was on the band Saturday night.
 
 It does seem, however, that there is some interesting creative potential
 for photographs taken in light with super saturated, imbalanced colors.
 
 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631172113850/
 
 
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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Igor Roshchin


It is obvious that it is non-changeable lens:
words 16 megapixels are written on the lens.

(and as couple of people mentioned, - no lens release button is visible)

Igor

On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

 No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The
 idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses.


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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread George Sinos
You can rent various Pentax wide angle lenses for two weeks for well
under $50 at borrowlenses.com. Cost varies by lens and length of
rental period.

http://www.borrowlenses.com/category/penax_wide_angle

I'm not sure how long you'll be gone, but this seems like a good way
to use a high quality lens for not much money.

gs

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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Peter Loveday pe...@loveday.org wrote:
 Are there any friendly local PDML'ers you could hit up for a loan of a lens
 for the trip?

 I'd offer, but i think going via Australia is probably a bit more of a
 detour than you'd want to take...

 - Peter


 -Original Message- From: Walt Gilbert
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:26 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

 . . . and give me your thoughts.

 Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a
 little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
 literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything
 else that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you get
 some images worthy of the trip.

 I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D Super
 -- and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of my
 50mm primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have
 a Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the
 others.

 What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the
 lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the
 focal length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as
 I'm concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and
 highly regarded.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks!

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Larry Colen

On Aug 21, 2012, at 4:22 AM, Matthew Hunt wrote:

 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:
 
 
 It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high 
 image quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama.
 
 Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in vertical 
 orientation and when you take a bunch of photos and stitch them together, 
 you even get higher resolution than you would with a wide angle lens.  If 
 you want to go all out, you calculate the nodal point, bend some steel into 
 a 90 degree bracket, drill a hole at the nodal point, buy a 1/4-20 nut and 
 you are golden.
 
 Mount it on the K100, and you get landscapes with the colors of the K100 
 sensor, the field of view of a wide angle, and better resolution than the 
 K-5.
 
 Frankly, if that was my strategy for getting ultrawide shots, I think
 I'd miss more than I got.

I didn't say that it was the best way, I just said that it was the cheapest way.


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Re: More pathology

2012-08-21 Thread Igor Roshchin

- Doctor, when I do this, it hurts...
- Don't do that!

;-)


I experimented a bit taking photos in the ambient mixed blue or
blue and red light 1-2 years ago, albeit not in as dark space as
in your case. If you are curious, - take a look here:

The first few photos here:
http://42graphy.org/swing/rachel-jan2011/
and a bunch of photos here:
http://42graphy.org/swing/abp-2010/a-thursday/

Igor


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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Toine
Maybe the old Tokina RMC 17mm f/3.5. If you can find one it should be
very cheap.
I would prefer the DA18-55 II for the best price/performance.

Toine

On 21 August 2012 00:56, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:
 . . . and give me your thoughts.

 Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a
 little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
 literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything else
 that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you get some
 images worthy of the trip.

 I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D Super --
 and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of my 50mm
 primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a
 Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the others.

 What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest
 buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal
 length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as I'm
 concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and highly
 regarded.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks!

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Re: Peso: I Hear the Train A'Comin'

2012-08-21 Thread Rick Womer
Haven't been in the Convention Center in at least 10 years, so I didn't 
recognize the mural.  I may have to pay a visit.

Rick
 
http://photo.net/photos/RickW


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Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:32 AM
Subject: Re: Peso: I Hear the Train A'Comin'

Thanks for the comments. The mural is in the Philadelphia Convention
center, part of which is an old train station.  Igor:  There was too
much distracting stuff down there so I had to crop it.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:16 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excellent shot

 Dave

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
Well, that's good to know. I guess maybe I am over-preparing a bit. But, 
this could turn out to be a once-in-a-lifetime kind of thing, so I just 
have the better to have it and not need it than need it and not have 
it mentality. I'll probably temper it a little between now and then.


-- Walt

On 8/20/2012 10:47 PM, kwal...@peoplepc.com wrote:
And I really don't want to miss out on a great shot because I just 
didn't have the lens readily

available.


I spent a week in the Badlands photographing and except for some 
prarie dogs, there wasn't any fast moving targets that required having 
lenses pre mounted. I mostly shot a 28-80 3.5-4.5 F  a 70-210 4 - 5.6 F.


Kenneth Waller
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- Original Message - From: Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .


Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might make 
the cut, so I thought that might make it semi-OT. But, since they'd 
be K-mounts, I guess I was just being a little extra cautious.


I wanted to carry three bodies just to make sure I have a fairly long 
zoom for wildlife, one of my 50's for great sharpness and bokeh, and 
a wider-angle for the landscapes -- all on a body for ready access. I 
don't mind carrying the extra weight much. And I really don't want to 
miss out on a great shot because I just didn't have the lens readily 
available.


Besides, I'm a bit smitten at the images that K100D Super puts out; 
there's just something about the sensor on that thing that I just love.


I do have the DA 18-55 and thought about using it. I just wondered if 
there might be a nice, affordable short prime that would out-perform 
it. If there isn't really one that justifies the outlay, then that's 
probably the route I'll take.


Thanks, Bruce!

-- Walt

On 8/20/2012 6:04 PM, Bruce Walker wrote:

OT? What could possibly be more *on-topic* than questions about
Pentax photo equipment? :-)

Why take the K100D Super when you've got a K20 and K-x along? It'll
just add weight.

Have you not got a DA 18-55 kit lens? I'd use that for wide landscapes
myself. It's a darned sharp lens. And small and light too.


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 6:56 PM, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com 
wrote:

. . . and give me your thoughts.

Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota 
in a

little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with 
everything else
that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you get 
some

images worthy of the trip.

I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D 
Super
-- and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of 
my 50mm

primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a
Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to 
the others.


What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the 
lowest

buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal
length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as I'm
concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and 
highly

regarded.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 8/21/2012 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest buck 
-- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal length and IQ 
-- everything else is mere window dressing as far as I'm concerned. I'm 
essentially looking for something very common and highly regarded.

It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high image 
quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama.

Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in vertical 
orientation and when you take a bunch of photos and stitch them together, you 
even get higher resolution than you would with a wide angle lens.  If you want 
to go all out, you calculate the nodal point, bend some steel into a 90 degree 
bracket, drill a hole at the nodal point, buy a 1/4-20 nut and you are golden.

Mount it on the K100, and you get landscapes with the colors of the K100 
sensor, the field of view of a wide angle, and better resolution than the K-5.

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I've thought about trying my hand at stitching in the past. I may well 
give it a whirl at some point on this trip. Is there any particular pano 
stitching software you recommend?


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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 8/20/2012 8:19 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2012-08-20 16:56 Walt Gilbert wrote

[...]  and
I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a Takumar 
28/2.8, but

it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the others.

What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the 
lowest buck
-- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal 
length and IQ


i like my 16-45 pretty well, but perhaps that's because it's all i 
have wider than 24mm; it is not a fine lens, but it is a very useful 
lens


however, your budget is tight enough, and the trip sounds short 
enough, that i'd consider renting a lens; i can't recommend a rental 
service, but i've considered it myself; most i've seen carry only 
Pentax lenses in K-mount but at least one (cameralensrentals.com) 
carries some Sigma; at borrowlenses.com i see 16-50/2.8, 12-24/4, 
14/2.8 and 15/4


the 14/2.8 was cheapest at $38 for two weeks (again, not recommending, 
just checking prices)



Thanks, Steve.

I'd given rental some thought, too -- and that does seem like a pretty 
good option if it comes down to that. I was more or less hoping there 
might be an abundance of cheap, shorter glass out there that are great 
performers along the lines of the 50mm primes I've come to love so much.


The price for the 14/2.8 rental certainly sounds reasonable, though. I 
just wonder if there are any places like that in the area. Seems like 
there ought to be, given the amount of photography that goes on up 
there. I'll have to check into that.


-- Walt

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Re: Mailing list change?

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms
I think I may be the only current *actively posting* digest subscriber. 
I've never seen anyone else get bitched out for screwing up the threading.


I try to pay attention to the subject line when I post a reply  
manually put the RE: in if it's not already there.



From: Anthony Farr


I suspect that the proliferation of mailing apps on a proliferation of
operating systems across a proliferation of platforms is the reason
for whatever non-standard behaviour you may notice on any particular
day.  The old reason was that digest subscribers were cutting and
pasting from a digest into a new mail (when they don't is when you see
a mail titled as a digest number).

regards, Anthony



On 21 August 2012 12:27, Tim Bray tb...@textuality.com wrote:

Lots and lots of messages are showing up that are continuations of
previous threads, but without a ?Re:? in the subject line.  Is this a
change in my gmail, or in the list software, or what?  It?s sort of
annoying, when I get behind on PDML, I only visit each thread once,
which is pretty easy if you skip threads labeled ?Re:?

Or maybe I?m just imagining this? -T



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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

Thanks, Toine!

I'll look into that one and see if I can find a nice deal. I really 
would like to have a decent short prime -- one that's better than my Tak 
28/2.8. But, if I can't come up with one, I suppose my 18-55 will be fine.


-- Walt

On 8/21/2012 9:34 AM, Toine wrote:

Maybe the old Tokina RMC 17mm f/3.5. If you can find one it should be
very cheap.
I would prefer the DA18-55 II for the best price/performance.

Toine

On 21 August 2012 00:56, Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

. . . and give me your thoughts.

Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a
little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything else
that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you get some
images worthy of the trip.

I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D Super --
and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of my 50mm
primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a
Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the others.

What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest
buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal
length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as I'm
concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and highly
regarded.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: Re: Re: Reponses Photo on what to expect

2012-08-21 Thread Tom C
 From: Doug Brewer d...@alphoto.com

 It's not often that logic and Pentax appear together in the same
 thought.

Mark!

LOL. That's sort of what if say about rap. Rap and music do not belong
in the same sentence unless the words 'is not' is between them.

I screwed up the Re:'s on this post on purpose.

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
Thank you, Collin! I may very well take you up on one or more of those 
and will happily pay the shipping when the time comes and I still 
haven't come up with anything.


I very much appreciate the offer!

-- Walt

On 8/21/2012 8:29 AM, Collin Brendemuehl wrote:

Walt,

I have some lenses that I am willing to loan out.
Tamron 300/5.6.
M100/4 macro
M28/2.8 (second edition, same as the A but w/o the A setting)


Sincerely,

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Darren Addy


No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The
idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses.


It says right in the blog that it's a super-zoom point  shoot.

Previous Pentax 'X' cameras:

X70 http://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/compacts/pentax_x70

X90 http://www.dpreview.com/products/pentax/compacts/pentax_x90

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
Yep, well I've been convinced that this is not an interchangable lens
camera (and that it is the same sensor size as the Q), which means
that they used some of their Q knowledge to make it. I guess it
confuses me that they make the Q and K-01 interchangeable lens but no
viewfinder, and then make this camera (which clearly has some kind of
viewfinder in addition to live view), but make it non-interchangeable
lens. Guess that also mean that they could leave out the expensive
dust removal system. Still has Shake Reduction (SR). Presumably it has
Focus Peaking (something I wish they would add to the Q firmware).


I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized
sensor and then not offer it in a Q-mount (assuming the flange to
sensor distance of the Q is the same as the X-5, which may be a wrong
assumption).

Another thing that would be a handy firmware introduction (for all
Pentax AF cameras) would be a button that could be programmed to focus
any AF lens to hyperfocal distance and then read out the min/max
distances on the LCD.

If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is
alive and well (not abandoned). The more megapixels you put on that
size of a sensor the more sensitive it is going to be to CA. You
either have to deal with that in post (for RAW) or maybe Pentax is
working on a way to correct for it in-camera like they have for the
noise issue of the smaller sensor.

Not smoking anything. Just high on Pentax Life, friends!
: )

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
I have to admit that it is a little hard to put oneself in your shoes
because your objectives seem at odds with each other.
You started off saying you wanted wide (for landscapes) and then say
that f3.5 is too slow for you. Few landscapes are shot wide open, and
most wide lenses are going to be slower than f3.5 unless you are
spending an ungodly amount of money.

All of your cameras are APS-C so 28 isn't really wide at all. 24 only
equiv. to the old 35mm wide.
It is surprising you don't have a kit lens in your stable, if only for
the 18mm end.

I think the lens you really want and would be in love with once you
had it, is the Sigma EX 10-20mm (15-30mm equiv. FOV on APS-C) You can
find them used for around $350 (that's what I got mine for a couple of
years ago) to $400, for the f4.-5.6 version.
Feast your eyes on what it can do:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/lens-clubs/84539-sigma-10-20mm-club.html

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Peso: I Hear the Train A'Comin'

2012-08-21 Thread Don Guthrie

Wow that's cool. Good photography there.



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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
That's most likely what'll happen. I was just hoping there might be a 
glut of some great short lens out there that everyone has in their kit 
just because they're so great and readily available.


-- Walt

On 8/20/2012 10:39 PM, l...@red4est.com wrote:

Borrow something.

Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:


. . . and give me your thoughts.

Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a

little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything
else that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you get

some images worthy of the trip.

I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D
Super
-- and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of my
50mm primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I
have
a Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the
others.

What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the
lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the

focal length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far
as
I'm concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and
highly regarded.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

Thanks, George.

I'll be sure to check out the rental option between now and then. I was 
hoping I might be able to buy a nice, older lens for a really cheap 
price -- maybe even get one on an old film body. I've got my eyes peeled 
for all kinds of opportunities. I'd much prefer to have one for keeps, 
but if that's not possible, then rental would be an obvious alternative.


-- Walt

On 8/21/2012 8:53 AM, George Sinos wrote:

You can rent various Pentax wide angle lenses for two weeks for well
under $50 at borrowlenses.com. Cost varies by lens and length of
rental period.

http://www.borrowlenses.com/category/penax_wide_angle

I'm not sure how long you'll be gone, but this seems like a good way
to use a high quality lens for not much money.

gs

George Sinos

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On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 10:15 PM, Peter Loveday pe...@loveday.org wrote:

Are there any friendly local PDML'ers you could hit up for a loan of a lens
for the trip?

I'd offer, but i think going via Australia is probably a bit more of a
detour than you'd want to take...

- Peter


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Subject: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

. . . and give me your thoughts.

Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a
little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything
else that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you get
some images worthy of the trip.

I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D Super
-- and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of my
50mm primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have
a Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the
others.

What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the
lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the
focal length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as
I'm concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and
highly regarded.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

-- Walt

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re: PESO - The Three Caballeros

2012-08-21 Thread Don Guthrie

Good street portrait, I like the attitude.



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I originally started talking to the fellow with the boater;  I wanted
to get the hat for Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats (haven't posted on
that blog in months).  However they wanted me to get all three of
them, three young men out on the town (this was taken outside of
Parkdale's Cadillac Lounge):

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-three-caballeros.html

I thought it was kind of fun.  Hopefully you do, too.  Comments always welcome.

Got hat guy's e-mail address, and I'm sending him a copy right now.

cheers,
frank



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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Tom C
Sorry I'm feeling prankish today so take what I say in that light. :)

  I guess it
 confuses me that they make the Q and K-01.

Yes that confuses me also.

 I really don't know why they would engineer a 4-105mm for a Q-sized
 sensor.

I don't know why they would engineer a Q. I'm sure it takes fine
images for it's size but it was doomed from the start up against much
larger sensor IC lens cameras at a lower price.

 If nothing else, this gives me greater hope that Q development is
 alive and well (not abandoned).

If Pentax were to be developing a Q replacement instead of a FF it
would be shocking.

:)

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 8/21/2012 11:01 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I have to admit that it is a little hard to put oneself in your shoes
because your objectives seem at odds with each other.
You started off saying you wanted wide (for landscapes) and then say
that f3.5 is too slow for you. Few landscapes are shot wide open, and
most wide lenses are going to be slower than f3.5 unless you are
spending an ungodly amount of money.
That's a damned good point I hadn't thought about. Though, one of the 
reasons I'd like a wider lens with larger maximum aperture is that I'd 
also like to use it for close-focusing shots in relatively low light. 
Though, in that case, I suppose I could always just use one of my 50's.




All of your cameras are APS-C so 28 isn't really wide at all. 24 only
equiv. to the old 35mm wide.
It is surprising you don't have a kit lens in your stable, if only for
the 18mm end.
I actually do have one, but I'm just not that crazy about it. I loved it 
when I first got it, but then I discovered the wonderful world of primes 
and it's sat mostly unused ever since. Maybe I'll get it out and give it 
another try to see if I can like it again.




I think the lens you really want and would be in love with once you
had it, is the Sigma EX 10-20mm (15-30mm equiv. FOV on APS-C) You can
find them used for around $350 (that's what I got mine for a couple of
years ago) to $400, for the f4.-5.6 version.
Feast your eyes on what it can do:
http://www.pentaxforums.com/forums/lens-clubs/84539-sigma-10-20mm-club.html

That does look like an awfully nice lens. I may have to put that on my 
maybe someday list, along with the Bigma.


-- Walt

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PESO - Omaha Stormchasers

2012-08-21 Thread George Sinos
A few members of the Omaha Camera Club spent Saturday evening at the
Omaha Stormchaser's game.  The Stormchasers are the farm team for the
KC Royals and were called the Omaha Royals for many years.  When they
moved from Rosenblatt Stadium in Omaha to the much smaller Werner Park
in Papillion, they changed the name.  There was a contest for the fans
to suggest the new name and one of the finalists was The Omahahogs.

Saturday was What-if night and the team was clad in Omahahog
uniforms and caps.  It was a fun night, topped off by the Stormchasers
clinching the division title and followed up by a fireworks display.

A bit more on-topic, I spent the night experimenting with pano and
other wide aspect ration shots, a little HDR and a few fireworks
shots.

There's one pano here
http://georges.posterous.com/photo-night-at-omaha-stormchasers and
you can click through the link in the blog to see the whole Smugmug
gallery.

gs

George Sinos

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Re: Peso: I Hear the Train A'Comin'

2012-08-21 Thread Steven Desjardins
Thanks for the comments. The mural is in the Philadelphia Convention
center, part of which is an old train station.  Igor:  There was too
much distracting stuff down there so I had to crop it.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:16 AM, David J Brooks pentko...@gmail.com wrote:
 Excellent shot

 Dave

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Walt Gilbert


Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might make the
cut, so I thought that might make it semi-OT. But, since they'd be
K-mounts, I guess I was just being a little extra cautious.

I wanted to carry three bodies just to make sure I have a fairly long
zoom for wildlife, one of my 50's for great sharpness and bokeh, and a
wider-angle for the landscapes -- all on a body for ready access. I
don't mind carrying the extra weight much. And I really don't want to
miss out on a great shot because I just didn't have the lens readily
available.



It doesn't work that way.

Three bodies with three different lenses mounted just makes it nine 
times more likely that when a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a 
prize-winning photo occurs, the only one you can get your hands on is 
going to be the wrong one.


BEEN there, DONE that - didn't even win a T-shirt for a consolation prize.

And that's not even the worst that could happen:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.446389!/img/httpImage/image.jpg



Besides, I'm a bit smitten at the images that K100D Super puts out;
there's just something about the sensor on that thing that I just love.

I do have the DA 18-55 and thought about using it. I just wondered if
there might be a nice, affordable short prime that would out-perform it.
If there isn't really one that justifies the outlay, then that's
probably the route I'll take.



Nice and short are relatively achievable. Affordable is another matter 
entirely. The key words here are one that justifies the outlay under 
the circumstances you specify.


Actually, nice and short didn't even look too promising from a quick 
check of KEH. They aren't showing many lenses wider than 28mm, and none 
of what they *are* showing is going to meet any reasonable definition of 
affordable.


The 18-55 is a good lens. Make that a GREAT lens if you already have 
one, which knocks AFFORDABLE over the 400' fence, and right out of the 
ballpark.


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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 8/21/2012 9:45 AM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walt Gilbert


Well, I was thinking there may be third-party lenses that might make the
cut, so I thought that might make it semi-OT. But, since they'd be
K-mounts, I guess I was just being a little extra cautious.

I wanted to carry three bodies just to make sure I have a fairly long
zoom for wildlife, one of my 50's for great sharpness and bokeh, and a
wider-angle for the landscapes -- all on a body for ready access. I
don't mind carrying the extra weight much. And I really don't want to
miss out on a great shot because I just didn't have the lens readily
available.



It doesn't work that way.

Three bodies with three different lenses mounted just makes it nine 
times more likely that when a once in a lifetime opportunity to make a 
prize-winning photo occurs, the only one you can get your hands on is 
going to be the wrong one.


BEEN there, DONE that - didn't even win a T-shirt for a consolation 
prize.


And that's not even the worst that could happen:

http://assets.nydailynews.com/polopoly_fs/1.446389!/img/httpImage/image.jpg 





Besides, I'm a bit smitten at the images that K100D Super puts out;
there's just something about the sensor on that thing that I just love.

I do have the DA 18-55 and thought about using it. I just wondered if
there might be a nice, affordable short prime that would out-perform it.
If there isn't really one that justifies the outlay, then that's
probably the route I'll take.



Nice and short are relatively achievable. Affordable is another matter 
entirely. The key words here are one that justifies the outlay under 
the circumstances you specify.


Actually, nice and short didn't even look too promising from a quick 
check of KEH. They aren't showing many lenses wider than 28mm, and 
none of what they *are* showing is going to meet any reasonable 
definition of affordable.


The 18-55 is a good lens. Make that a GREAT lens if you already have 
one, which knocks AFFORDABLE over the 400' fence, and right out of 
the ballpark.



You make a very valid and strong point, John.

I noticed what you did at KEH. There really wasn't anything in the BGN 
bin shorter than 28mm. I still have about a month before I have to pull 
the trigger on anything. If something great comes up between now and 
then, then I'll jump on it. But, in the meantime, I do have the 18-55 to 
fall back on.


Thanks!

-- Walt

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Don Guthrie
Darren, interesting thoughts. Is there verification that it has 
inter-changeable lens? I have played around with Pen 4/3s and if I had 
money to throw away he Q might be useful I never looked at it seriously. 
If this new one is PS I have an older Nikon with articulating screen 
that is my least used camera.





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No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The
idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses.

Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near Q
with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be
awesome.

It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their
prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then
this one.
The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely
high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus
K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go
with it.
On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a
slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all
in one lens).

The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people
who still don't get the Q. This guy certainly gets it.

This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8
Think iPhone's sensor only much larger.

This is going to be a macro  birder's dream camera (along with
everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no
understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But
this one is a Winner with a capital W.




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Re: Reponses Photo on what to expect

2012-08-21 Thread Doug Brewer

On 8/21/12 11:15 AM, Ralf R. Radermacher wrote:

The team of French magazine Réponses Photo is either always well
informed or particularly good at guessing. Their prognosis ahead of
Photokina in earlier years have usually been spot on.

Here's what they predict for this year's show:

| All logic suggests that Pentax will stick to the APS-C format
| with successors for the K-r and the K-5. The development
| of a series of cameras and lenses for 24 x 36, in between
| the APS-C series and the medium-format 645D, is
| apparently not on the agenda.

Tough luck. Then again: no full format, no temptation. ;-)

Ralf



It's not often that logic and Pentax appear together in the same 
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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
I do know one other Pentaxian who lives locally, though he's not a 
PDML'er. I'll see what he has and is willing to loan out for a few days. 
I'm not sure he's got much glass at all, but it certainly wouldn't hurt 
to ask.


I do appreciate the offer, though.

Is it true that the focusing rings turn the other way on Aussie lenses? ;)

-- Walt

On 8/20/2012 10:15 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
Are there any friendly local PDML'ers you could hit up for a loan of a 
lens for the trip?


I'd offer, but i think going via Australia is probably a bit more of a 
detour than you'd want to take...


- Peter


-Original Message- From: Walt Gilbert
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Subject: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

. . . and give me your thoughts.

Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in a
little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything
else that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you get
some images worthy of the trip.

I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D Super
-- and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of my
50mm primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have
a Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the
others.

What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the
lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the
focal length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far as
I'm concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and
highly regarded.

Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks!

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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Ann Sanfedele


Nice work!
and I love that pink Bel-Air - though I prefer it in Aqua :-)

ann

On 8/21/2012 07:34, Paul Stenquist wrote:

My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I
posted here didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati
isn't a typical dream cruise machine.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/



The caption says that Paul's 55 Bel Air is right behind it.

For some reason, I thought Paul's car *was* the Aqua color version. 
Obviously from the photo, it is NOT.


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Re: Flame ahead Re: PESO: Ugli Fungi

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert
I've concluded that it's generally better to mix photography with one's 
politics than to mix politics with one's photography.


-- Walt

On 8/21/2012 7:56 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

Derby, there are many places where politics and political humor can be
discussed among those who wish to do so.

I have participated in other internet groups that once were lively and
dynamic, and provided a valuable exchange of information and ideas,
but have been torn apart by the injection of off-topic  political
diatribes and arguments.  Those fora still exist, but the levels of
participation and enthusiasm are but a fraction of what they once
were.

I have no desire to be a censor.  Please note that I did not object to
the posts, but only requested that any posts that deviate into
political commentary be clearly marked as OT:.  I thought that a
reasonable enough request.  Your mileage may vary.

Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:

Dan, I have to make a comment. Bob, Ann and Jeffrey's posts were pretty
amusing. It is what keeps a list enlivening to read. From a neutral Aussie
point of view, I immediately saw James Carville as a somewhat dangerous and
bulbous mushroom to be approached with caution. Did not see any political
propaganda in the least. Yes, I do follow American politics closely, and I
do know who James Carville is. I was just waiting for the Mary Matalin joke.

Lighten up, dude. And take more interesting photos, ok?





On 20/08/2012 11:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:

If you guys want to hijack this list for propagation of your political
views, please at least label your posts as OT
Dan Matyola
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jeffery Smith jsmith...@gmail.com
wrote:

Carville teaches at my alma mater, and I assume that he lives near the
park.

Regards,

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From: Ann Sanfedele


On 8/19/2012 19:33, Bob W wrote:

From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf
Of
Jeffery Smith

Down here this has been the wettest summer in recent memory, though
most of the US has been drought-prone. It hasn't stopped raining all
day today. This has led to a population explosion of mushrooms
(actually, poisonous toadstools, I think) around the city. I've run
into some fairy rings of them at Audubon Park, but didn't have my
camera(!).

Last week was even more annoying. James Carville jogged past me in
the
park, and me without a camera.


is he some kind of poisonous toadstool?

B


quite the opposite :-)

ann

The one Democrat who sticks it to the Republicans on a regular basis.

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PESO - Omaha Stormchasers

2012-08-21 Thread Collin Brendemuehl
Great shot.
I lived in Omaha for 7 years.  Wonderful city.  Miss it more all the time.
Went to the old Rosenblatt, but haven't had a chance to see the new park yet.

Sincerely, 

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He is no fool who gives what he cannot keep to gain what he cannot lose 
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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Tom C

 On Aug 21, 2012, at 7:34 AM, Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net wrote:

  My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted 
  here didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical 
  dream cruise machine.
 
  http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/

Nice car shots and a fun entertaining article. Nicely done! Thanks.

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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
It depends on three things 1.) Quality of the lens, 2.) Quality of the 
firmware, 3.) Processing speed, otherwise it's just another me to ZLR 
with cosmetics to make it look like a K-5.  Let's face it, if it's just 
another PS camera the market is saturated with them.  Now I have to go 
shower, after visiting Ricewhine.


On 8/21/2012 8:46 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

No, I believe it is a Super Q that takes K-mount lenses in AF. The
idea, from Pentax's viewpoint is to sell more lenses.

Pentax is doubling down on the Q (as well they should). A near Q
with an AF K-mount and this range of normal lens is going to be
awesome.

It is the perfect time to make people take another look (beyond their
prejudices) at the original Q model (now selling for $399) and then
this one.
The small sensor gives you all kinds of advantages with its extremely
high DOF, especially for macro. If this is a Q with an autofocus
K-mount then Pentax is going to sell a million DFA 100mm Macros to go
with it.
On a Q sensor that gives you the whole bug in focus (not merely a
slice) and at the other end it gives you a 560mm super telephoto (all
in one lens).

The thing they are going to have going against them is all the people
who still don't get the Q. This guy certainly gets it.

This camera is using a slightly larger Sony Exmor-R than the Q has...1/2.8
Think iPhone's sensor only much larger.

This is going to be a macro  birder's dream camera (along with
everything in between). It is also going to be another camera that no
understands and Pentax takes a bashing for, at least initially. But
this one is a Winner with a capital W.




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Re: Mailing list change?

2012-08-21 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-21 9:01 John Sessoms wrote

I think I may be the only current *actively posting* digest subscriber. I've
never seen anyone else get bitched out for screwing up the threading.


i detected those who reply to digests by searching for In-reply-to: headers 
that include mailman; this works because the digests are sent with a 
mailman message-id (of course you need a tool that can do this search — good 
luck doing that with Gmail)


searching from March through the present there is one primary culprit, plus a 
few occasionals; none of them are you, John — you are doing the right thing, 
insofar as you are a digest user, by composing new messages; you regularly get 
the subject lines right too, so i can induce Thunderbird to include your 
messages in the thread, though they cannot be placed in the correct 
hierarchical position


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Reponses Photo on what to expect

2012-08-21 Thread Ralf R. Radermacher
The team of French magazine Réponses Photo is either always well
informed or particularly good at guessing. Their prognosis ahead of
Photokina in earlier years have usually been spot on.

Here's what they predict for this year's show:

| All logic suggests that Pentax will stick to the APS-C format
| with successors for the K-r and the K-5. The development
| of a series of cameras and lenses for 24 x 36, in between
| the APS-C series and the medium-format 645D, is
| apparently not on the agenda.

Tough luck. Then again: no full format, no temptation. ;-)

Ralf

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Re: More pathology

2012-08-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Oh yeah! This is teetering dangerously close to being Fine Art, Larry.
You better watch out.

Really fun shots.


On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 6:03 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au wrote:

 This one is very groovy

 http://www.flickr.com/photos/ellarsee/7829610438/

 You have an iconic t-shirt design on the left there.



 On 21/08/2012 5:59 PM, Larry Colen wrote:

 Tonight, there was a blues/fusion dance at 418, the space I asked about
 processing images from.  There was no band, and the room was lit with the
 blue LED spots, and with some red incandescent bulbs.  In some ways, the
 lighting was even more bizarre than it was on the band Saturday night.

 It does seem, however, that there is some interesting creative potential
 for photographs taken in light with super saturated, imbalanced colors.

 http://www.flickriver.com/photos/ellarsee/sets/72157631172113850/


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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Darren Addy


Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak:
ricehigh.blogspot.com
The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is.
This is your K-5 upgrade.


Probably not - 16 Megapixel, 26x Ultra-Zoom Point and Shoot

Comparable to the Sony Cyber-shot DSC-HX200V maybe?

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RE: Flame ahead Re: PESO: Ugli Fungi

2012-08-21 Thread Bob W
Photolitics beats poligraphy every time

B

 -Original Message-
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Walt Gilbert
 Sent: 21 August 2012 17:53
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Re: Flame ahead Re: PESO: Ugli Fungi
 
 I've concluded that it's generally better to mix photography with one's
 politics than to mix politics with one's photography.
 
 -- Walt
 
 On 8/21/2012 7:56 AM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
  Derby, there are many places where politics and political humor can
 be
  discussed among those who wish to do so.
 
  I have participated in other internet groups that once were lively
 and
  dynamic, and provided a valuable exchange of information and ideas,
  but have been torn apart by the injection of off-topic  political
  diatribes and arguments.  Those fora still exist, but the levels of
  participation and enthusiasm are but a fraction of what they once
  were.
 
  I have no desire to be a censor.  Please note that I did not object
 to
  the posts, but only requested that any posts that deviate into
  political commentary be clearly marked as OT:.  I thought that a
  reasonable enough request.  Your mileage may vary.
 
  Dan Matyola
  http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
  On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:54 AM, Derby Chang der...@iinet.net.au
 wrote:
  Dan, I have to make a comment. Bob, Ann and Jeffrey's posts were
  pretty amusing. It is what keeps a list enlivening to read. From a
  neutral Aussie point of view, I immediately saw James Carville as a
  somewhat dangerous and bulbous mushroom to be approached with
  caution. Did not see any political propaganda in the least. Yes, I
 do
  follow American politics closely, and I do know who James Carville
 is. I was just waiting for the Mary Matalin joke.
 
  Lighten up, dude. And take more interesting photos, ok?
 
 
 
 
 
  On 20/08/2012 11:24 PM, Daniel J. Matyola wrote:
  If you guys want to hijack this list for propagation of your
  political views, please at least label your posts as OT
  Dan Matyola
  http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/danieljmatyola
 
 
  On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 7:46 AM, Jeffery Smith
 jsmith...@gmail.com
  wrote:
  Carville teaches at my alma mater, and I assume that he lives near
  the park.
 
  Regards,
 
  Jeffery
  __
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  New Orleans, LA
  www.400tx.com
 
 
 
 
 
  On Aug 20, 2012, at 12:12 AM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
 wrote:
 
  From: Ann Sanfedele
 
  On 8/19/2012 19:33, Bob W wrote:
  From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On
  Behalf Of Jeffery Smith
 
  Down here this has been the wettest summer in recent memory,
  though most of the US has been drought-prone. It hasn't
 stopped
  raining all day today. This has led to a population explosion
  of mushrooms (actually, poisonous toadstools, I think) around
  the city. I've run into some fairy rings of them at Audubon
  Park, but didn't have my camera(!).
 
  Last week was even more annoying. James Carville jogged past
 me
  in the park, and me without a camera.
 
  is he some kind of poisonous toadstool?
 
  B
 
  quite the opposite :-)
 
  ann
  The one Democrat who sticks it to the Republicans on a regular
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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

Thanks for the heads-up, Steven!

I've got a little time to do a little more saving-up. If I can manage to 
save enough dough, I'll definitely put that in the possibilities pile.


-- Walt

On 8/20/2012 8:49 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote:

A K28 3.5.  Really sharp.  They can be had at KEH for a reasonable
price.  MF, but no big deal for landscapes.

On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:19 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote:

on 2012-08-20 16:56 Walt Gilbert wrote

[...]  and

I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I have a Takumar 28/2.8,
but
it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to the others.

What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest
buck
-- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal length
and IQ


i like my 16-45 pretty well, but perhaps that's because it's all i have
wider than 24mm; it is not a fine lens, but it is a very useful lens

however, your budget is tight enough, and the trip sounds short enough, that
i'd consider renting a lens; i can't recommend a rental service, but i've
considered it myself; most i've seen carry only Pentax lenses in K-mount but
at least one (cameralensrentals.com) carries some Sigma; at borrowlenses.com
i see 16-50/2.8, 12-24/4, 14/2.8 and 15/4

the 14/2.8 was cheapest at $38 for two weeks (again, not recommending, just
checking prices)


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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
Actually, I sort of missed the lens.
4.0 to 105mm ?
4mm. Clearly this is not a full frame.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Darren Addy pixelsmi...@gmail.com wrote:
 Hate him, or Really hate him, RiceHigh is early with a leak:
 ricehigh.blogspot.com
 The pics are probably accurate, but I don't think the description probably is.
 This is your K-5 upgrade.


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RE: More pathology

2012-08-21 Thread Bob W
 From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of
 Larry Colen
 
 
 On Aug 21, 2012, at 5:44 AM, Bruce Walker wrote:
 
  Oh yeah! This is teetering dangerously close to being Fine Art,
 Larry.
  You better watch out.
 
 I doubt my work even qualifies as art, and I'm at least a gallery
 exhibit and a pretentious artist statement from any of those photos
 being fine art.
 

Artist's statements? We gottem!

Colen teeters dangerously between the galleried perils of finesse and the
incomprehensibility of a/Art qua exhibit. In 'qualifying' his pretentions
publically he adopts a position of semi-jocular modesty, using his
declaration as a Renaissance / re-birthing of the fig-leaf, which denies the
both the upright and the moist, replacing them with the sweat / brow / pain
symbology of the plough, the furrow, and all they entail.

B


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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Bob Sullivan
Paul,
Good story, excellent photos.
Regards,  Bob S.

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 My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted 
 here didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical dream 
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 http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/
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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Jack Davis
Yeah, that feels more like it, Paul. ;-)  Sharp image with good DOF and well 
written article.


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Subject: The dream cruise pics

My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted here 
didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical dream cruise 
machine.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/
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Re: PESO - Road Eagle

2012-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Lebanon CT.  I've got about 2000 messages in my PDML folder, I'll be 
poking around there for a while.  Might not respond quickly or at all.


On 8/19/2012 7:38 PM, Ann Sanfedele wrote:

That actually took me by surprise..
where were you?

ann

On 8/19/2012 19:22, P. J. Alling wrote:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1604247/PESO/PESO%20--%20%20roadeagle.html

Equipment:  Pentax K20D w/smc Pentax F 70-210mm f4.0~5.6

As usual comments are welcome but may be totally ignored.






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Re: OT: Interesting sunset photo

2012-08-21 Thread Igor Roshchin

I always try to take a windows seat, and have my camera bag in my feet
(under the seat in front), so that I can pull the camera out quickly.
Sunset is my favorite subject, but it doesn't always get spectacular, it
depends on the cloud structure and other circumstances.

Other typical challenges include wide dynamic range, or narrow dynamic
range (depending on the view and the moment). The former is due to the
sun and shadows, the latter is due to the haze, which decreases the
contrast.

Igor


On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 3:20 AM, David Mann wrote:
 It's amazing what you can snap with a suitable vantage point.

 http://epod.usra.edu/blog/2012/08/sunset-above-the-atlantic-ocean.html

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Re: PESO - Omaha Stormchasers

2012-08-21 Thread Igor Roshchin

Nice, dramatic image!

Igor

Tue Aug 21 12:23:33 EDT 2012
George Sinos wrote:

 There's one pano here
 http://georges.posterous.com/photo-night-at-omaha-stormchasers and
 you can click through the link in the blog to see the whole Smugmug
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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-21 9:39 Walt Gilbert wrote

I've thought about trying my hand at stitching in the past. I may well give it
a whirl at some point on this trip. Is there any particular pano stitching
software you recommend?


i've used Hugin  Photoshop; Hugin gives you a lot of control, and is free, but 
has a fairly cryptic interface; i wouldn't say i've fully learned it, but after 
a few stabs i find it can fix my fairly warped handheld panoramas


http://hugin.sourceforge.net

Photoshop makes it easy, but i haven't used it a lot




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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread P. J. Alling
Is there really anything on that body that looks like a lens release to 
you?  You know that notiable button which on Pentax K sits in the lower 
right hand quadrant of the lens mount, say just about where the SR logo 
is.  Anybody who thinks images of the Pentax X-5 represents an 
interchangeable design is probably smoking something I'd like to share, 
it would make the world a lot more pleasant.  What you're looking at is 
a Pentax ZLR made to look like it's current top of the line SLR.  A 
marketing move I'm surprised we haven't seen from Canon.


On 8/21/2012 9:16 AM, Darren Addy wrote:

I haven't done the math, but I'm guessing around 4x. That makes the
kit lens a 16-400mm in 35mm FOV equivalency.

Think iPhone quality sensor only LARGER instead of so much smaller
than APS-C. Even Pentax Full Frame buyers are going to own an X-5. It
is like the Ultimate 4x Teleconverter for all their existing Good
Glass. (Has to be Good Glass because smaller sensor pixel pitch makes
them more susceptible to CA). They are going to sell a million DFA
100mm Macros and Limited to go on this lens, once people understand.

This is absolutely BRILLIANT and suddenly makes all the RD that
Pentax did on the slow-selling Q look like sheer genius. They now
own three sweet spots with the best camera (and glass): APS-C with
the K-5, 1/2.8 with the X-5, and 1/2.3 with the Q.




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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread John Sessoms

From: Walt Gilbert


On 8/21/2012 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:


What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the lowest buck 
-- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is the focal length and IQ 
-- everything else is mere window dressing as far as I'm concerned. I'm 
essentially looking for something very common and highly regarded.

It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high image 
quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama.

Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in vertical 
orientation and when you take a bunch of photos and stitch them together, you 
even get higher resolution than you would with a wide angle lens.  If you want 
to go all out, you calculate the nodal point, bend some steel into a 90 degree 
bracket, drill a hole at the nodal point, buy a 1/4-20 nut and you are golden.

Mount it on the K100, and you get landscapes with the colors of the K100 
sensor, the field of view of a wide angle, and better resolution than the K-5.

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I've thought about trying my hand at stitching in the past. I may well
give it a whirl at some point on this trip. Is there any particular pano
stitching software you recommend?


There's a freeware program called Hugin that's supposed to be really good.

http://hugin.sourceforge.net/


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Re: Pentax X-5 photos leaked

2012-08-21 Thread Darren Addy
No, if I forgot to post it here... I have been convinced now that it
is not interchangable lens.
I do think it will have the Q-sized sensor (since Sony does make a
16mp version) and I think the question now is: will it shoot RAW?
If so, it is only the 2nd camera in its class to let you do that.

I think I mis-typed in my earlier email. If you are going to develop a
4-105mm lens that can perform well on a Q-sized sensor in a bridge
camera, then why not make the same optical configuration with a
Q-mount? The only explanation I can think of is that the bridge camera
has a much narrower flange to sensor distance. A 16MP sensor would
presumably be much more sensitive to CA than the Q is, so you would
think that the optical config. would work on the Q. It is hard to
believe that an optical design that wide can perform well across even
half the range, but I'd love to be proven wrong about that.

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 8/21/2012 2:05 PM, steve harley wrote:

on 2012-08-21 9:39 Walt Gilbert wrote
I've thought about trying my hand at stitching in the past. I may 
well give it
a whirl at some point on this trip. Is there any particular pano 
stitching

software you recommend?


i've used Hugin  Photoshop; Hugin gives you a lot of control, and is 
free, but has a fairly cryptic interface; i wouldn't say i've fully 
learned it, but after a few stabs i find it can fix my fairly warped 
handheld panoramas


http://hugin.sourceforge.net

Photoshop makes it easy, but i haven't used it a lot

Thanks for the tip! Freeware is my favorite!

-- Walt

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Walt Gilbert

On 8/21/2012 2:41 PM, John Sessoms wrote:

From: Walt Gilbert


On 8/21/2012 3:27 AM, Larry Colen wrote:

On Aug 20, 2012, at 3:56 PM, Walt Gilbert wrote:

What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the 
lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is 
the focal length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing 
as far as I'm concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very 
common and highly regarded.
It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and 
high image quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a 
panorama.


Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in 
vertical orientation and when you take a bunch of photos and stitch 
them together, you even get higher resolution than you would with a 
wide angle lens.  If you want to go all out, you calculate the nodal 
point, bend some steel into a 90 degree bracket, drill a hole at the 
nodal point, buy a 1/4-20 nut and you are golden.


Mount it on the K100, and you get landscapes with the colors of the 
K100 sensor, the field of view of a wide angle, and better 
resolution than the K-5.


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I've thought about trying my hand at stitching in the past. I may well
give it a whirl at some point on this trip. Is there any particular pano
stitching software you recommend?


There's a freeware program called Hugin that's supposed to be really 
good.


http://hugin.sourceforge.net/



Thanks, John!

Steve H. recommended the same software, so I figure it's got to be worth 
a try.


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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread lrc
Just the Nikons.

Walt Gilbert ldott...@gmail.com wrote:

I do know one other Pentaxian who lives locally, though he's not a 
PDML'er. I'll see what he has and is willing to loan out for a few
days. 
I'm not sure he's got much glass at all, but it certainly wouldn't hurt

to ask.

I do appreciate the offer, though.

Is it true that the focusing rings turn the other way on Aussie lenses?
;)

-- Walt

On 8/20/2012 10:15 PM, Peter Loveday wrote:
 Are there any friendly local PDML'ers you could hit up for a loan of
a 
 lens for the trip?

 I'd offer, but i think going via Australia is probably a bit more of
a 
 detour than you'd want to take...

 - Peter


 -Original Message- From: Walt Gilbert
 Sent: Tuesday, August 21, 2012 8:26 AM
 To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List
 Subject: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

 . . . and give me your thoughts.

 Say you're going to be leaving for the Black Hills of South Dakota in
a
 little over a month and have an extremely limited budget. I'm quite
 literally saving up the quarters from my tips (along with everything
 else that I can) to finance it. But, you want to make sure that you
get
 some images worthy of the trip.

 I'll be taking all of my camera bodies with me -- K-x, K20D, K100D
Super
 -- and plan to use my Promaster 70-300 as a zoom, at least one of my
 50mm primes, and I'd like to have something wider for landscapes. I
have
 a Takumar 28/2.8, but it's really a pretty crappy lens compared to
the
 others.

 What would be the best, most affordable option -- best bang for the
 lowest buck -- for the wider landscapes? All I really care about is
the
 focal length and IQ -- everything else is mere window dressing as far
as
 I'm concerned. I'm essentially looking for something very common and
 highly regarded.

 Any suggestions would be greatly appreciated.

 Thanks!

 -- Walt



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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread David J Brooks
Good job Paul

Dave

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 here didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical dream 
 cruise machine.

 http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/
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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread steve harley

on 2012-08-21 7:54 Larry Colen wrote

I didn't say that it was the best way, I just said that it was the cheapest way.


actually, the cheapest way is to stitch hand-held shots; it works pretty well 
if you practice a little; pano software can compensate for a lot; i've only 
done a few of these, but here's my best effort yet, a 360-degree panorama taken 
with K200d and 16-45 at 16mm (landscape orientation); i would have loved to 
spend a day shooting with better equipment, but i shot this in 70 seconds 
during a short pause in a long hike, nine overlapping exposures in one take; i 
stitched with Hugin after basic adjustments in Aperture:


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/az0pvpwgc5u2sda/PoL8ruqA-A#f:needlespano-500.jpg

most important is to use the same exposure for each shot, and find reference 
points to keep your place both vertically and horizontally (and keep your 
camera level); also allow a fair amount of overlap


from this experience i think a 20-24mm prime lens in portrait orientation would 
do better (at the expense of more shots, and more care needed to do it 
hand-held); i also learned that panoramic scenes tend to have a lot of dynamic 
range — i shot this at f/9, 1/640, ISO 200, but i should have used ISO 100 (and 
a K-5 would be a better tool for this scene)





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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread kwaller

If shooting RAW, set all captures to the same RAW setting - anyone but auto.

Kenneth Waller
http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller

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From: steve harley p...@paper-ape.com

Subject: Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .



on 2012-08-21 7:54 Larry Colen wrote
I didn't say that it was the best way, I just said that it was the 
cheapest way.


actually, the cheapest way is to stitch hand-held shots; it works pretty 
well if you practice a little; pano software can compensate for a lot; 
i've only done a few of these, but here's my best effort yet, a 360-degree 
panorama taken with K200d and 16-45 at 16mm (landscape orientation); i 
would have loved to spend a day shooting with better equipment, but i shot 
this in 70 seconds during a short pause in a long hike, nine overlapping 
exposures in one take; i stitched with Hugin after basic adjustments in 
Aperture:


https://www.dropbox.com/sh/az0pvpwgc5u2sda/PoL8ruqA-A#f:needlespano-500.jpg

most important is to use the same exposure for each shot, and find 
reference points to keep your place both vertically and horizontally (and 
keep your camera level); also allow a fair amount of overlap


from this experience i think a 20-24mm prime lens in portrait orientation 
would do better (at the expense of more shots, and more care needed to do 
it hand-held); i also learned that panoramic scenes tend to have a lot of 
dynamic range — i shot this at f/9, 1/640, ISO 200, but i should have used 
ISO 100 (and a K-5 would be a better tool for this scene)



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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread kwaller
Nice take on the event. I've talked to several participants and they all 
stated this year's was among the best if not the best. I doubt the weather 
could have been better.


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From: Paul Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net

Subject: The dream cruise pics


My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted 
here didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical 
dream cruise machine.


http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/



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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread David Parsons
It's very easy to do handheld panorama shots if you are doing
landscapes where there isn't something close to you that will shift
with parallax.

On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 7:22 AM, Matthew Hunt m...@pobox.com wrote:
 On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 4:27 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote:


 It seems to me that the least expensive way to get wide angles and high 
 image quality is to stitch multiple exposures together in a panorama.

 Put the 50mm prime on your camera, mount it on the tripod in vertical 
 orientation and when you take a bunch of photos and stitch them together, 
 you even get higher resolution than you would with a wide angle lens.  If 
 you want to go all out, you calculate the nodal point, bend some steel into 
 a 90 degree bracket, drill a hole at the nodal point, buy a 1/4-20 nut and 
 you are golden.

 Mount it on the K100, and you get landscapes with the colors of the K100 
 sensor, the field of view of a wide angle, and better resolution than the 
 K-5.

 Frankly, if that was my strategy for getting ultrawide shots, I think
 I'd miss more than I got.

 - In some cases, because the circumstances (weather, light) change
 before I can get everything set up and execute the panorama
 - In other cases, because I'm disinclined or prohibited from carrying
 a tripod where I'm going
 - In other cases, because I'm not sufficiently sold on a shot (in
 advance) to go through the effort

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Re: Semi-OT: Put yourself in my shoes for a moment . . .

2012-08-21 Thread Mark Roberts
David Parsons wrote:

It's very easy to do handheld panorama shots if you are doing
landscapes where there isn't something close to you that will shift
with parallax.

Another good trick is, if there are any objects close you that might
cause parallax problems, compose panoramas that put these objects all
the way to the right or left so that they don't overlap consecutive
frames. http://www.robertstech.com/galleries/nh2012/7dc0321417.html
This was made from 4 shots, hand-held (I was shooting with my Sony
A850 and held the camera horizontally rather than vertically because I
decided 4 thousand pixels height would be sufficient for any prints I
would be likely to make).
 
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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Bruce Walker
Excellent! Terrific article and car shots.


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 My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted
 here didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical
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Re: GESO: Castells

2012-08-21 Thread Jaume Lahuerta
Christine,

I am glad that you had a good time in Spain / Catalonia / Barcelona area (where 
I live BTW).

And yes, Castells are something unique to watch but unfortunately, as you may 
imagine, there has been some accidents in its more than centenary history. 
That's why they lately adopted the helmet protection for the kids that climb to 
the top.
However, if there is a crowded base, it is much safer than it seems.

I have had not the chance to go through the pictures, I am on vacations 
connected via 3G mobile (one of the reasons for this late reply), so I'll 
archive your post and revise it when I am back to the broadband at home.

Regards,
Jaume



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 De: Christine Nielsen ch...@inielsen.net
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 CC: 
 Enviado: Jueves 16 de agosto de 2012 5:48
 Asunto: Re: GESO: Castells
 
 Yes, and the helmets on the kids are padded on the exterior, as well
 as interior.  Safer for the other castellers that way...
 
 :)
 -c
 
 On Wed, Aug 15, 2012 at 11:03 PM, John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com 
 wrote:
  From: Christine Nielsen
 
 
  Hellooo out there!
 
  Summer vacation  travels have kept me off the list for a while...
  did I miss anything? :)
 
  Thought I'd share a collection of shots that I took a couple of 
 weeks
  ago in Spain.  For the second year, we were visiting with friends who
  live outside of Barcelona... they participate in making Castells, or
  human towers.  Which, near as I can tell, is a combination athletic
  contest, Catalan cultural event  performance art.  It's really 
 quite
  incredible to watch.  (Especially for someone from the litigious US...
  I was inspired to teach my Spanish friends the English idiom 
 lawsuit
  waiting to happen...)  People from all walks of life participate,
  from young to old.  Indeed, the youngest are the ones climbing to the
  top of the towers, which can reach 8 or 9 stories high.
 
 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/sets/72157631083652560/with/7789544188/
 
  Apologies for the size of the set, it is also being shared with the
  participants... here's a shot that gives an idea of the Castells:
 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789543272/in/set-72157631083652560/
 
  Another outtake - how it looks when something goes wrong... At one
  point, one of the towers collapsed.  I managed to get a couple of
  shots off while I dove for cover:
 
 
 http://www.flickr.com/photos/23028562@N04/7789544188/in/set-72157631083652560
 
  I think what I find so compelling about this activity is the
  closeness... everyone mashed together, feet on shoulders, hands
  grabbing what-have-you... talk about being on top of each other!
 
  :)
  -c
 
 
  Looks like they have the little kids wearing helmets.
 
 
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Re: PESO - The Three Caballeros

2012-08-21 Thread Bruce Walker
A fine group portrait.

I'm ever so slightly perturbed that middle dude's companions are
softer than him. Just observing, Frank. :-)


On Mon, Aug 20, 2012 at 9:59 PM, frank theriault
knarftheria...@gmail.com wrote:
 I originally started talking to the fellow with the boater;  I wanted
 to get the hat for Real Canadians Wearing Real Hats (haven't posted on
 that blog in months).  However they wanted me to get all three of
 them, three young men out on the town (this was taken outside of
 Parkdale's Cadillac Lounge):

 http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/08/the-three-caballeros.html

 I thought it was kind of fun.  Hopefully you do, too.  Comments always 
 welcome.

 Got hat guy's e-mail address, and I'm sending him a copy right now.

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Re: OT: Why I hate Computers

2012-08-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
Given the following:

On Aug 17, 2012, at 14:37 , John Sessoms wrote:

 Given:
 
 L  W  M   as seen by...
 1  2  3   MFb
 4  5  6   WFb
 7  8  9   LFb
 
 I see OS choices as 4,2,9
 
 GUI development reached its pinnacle with OS/2 v.3.0 Every change since then 
 has been a step further down a slippery slope into hell.
 
 I don't really care how the computer gets the job done underneath where I 
 can't see it, but leave the damn buttons alone so I know where to find them. 
 I liked WindozeXP mainly because it's the closest Micro$oft has come so far 
 towards achieving a GUI I'm comfortable with, i.e. I know where the damn 
 buttons are.
 
 I don't like having to continually play button, button, who's got the 
 button every time I want to get something done.
 
 Usability of GUI design can be graphed as y=x^2+1 where a PERFECT INTERFACE 
 is defined as [0,0]
 
 Substitute the following values of 'x' for certain interfaces:
 
 -10 for Windoze 3.1, OS/2 v.2.1
 - 2 for Windoze 95, 98, 98SE, 2K, NT4.0
   0 for WindozeXP, OS/2 v.3.0
 22/7 for Windoze Vista
 
 square root of -1 for MacOS
 101010 for Linux
 
 I haven't made up my mind about Windoze7 yet, but I shouldn't have to reboot 
 the damn thing 15 times just to get a week's worth of security patches 
 installed.

I think your brain is destined for Windows. 

A Mac user would not nor should not be forced to understand what the hell you 
are talking about.

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Re: OT - Why Computers hate John

2012-08-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
Ow Ow Ow!! That hurts my head just reading all that stuff!

On Aug 17, 2012, at 15:41 , John Sessoms wrote:

 From: Igor Roshchin
 
 They usually enjoy working late, with the people who feel and enjoy the
 magic of the night. But they are forced to work from 5am (Ouch!)
 
 That's all the master's fault. So, they all decided to go on strike this
 morning to show him that they should not be treated like that!
 (And he even has the automated updates enabled, which is hurting them!)
 
 They know that he won't buy Macs, so they are safe for some time.
 Otherwise he'd regret the revolt from $3k machines. At least the current
 computers are cheaper to deal with.
 
 ...
 
 Well, FWIW the current headache was solved with only 15 reboots - 7 failed 
 attempts to update auto-magically over 3 days, and 8 critical updates 
 installed individually, one at a time ...
 
 So far, I've spent about $1,800 building this machine including the software 
 I bought to run on it. Or more like I built the machine around the software I 
 wanted to run. It does an adequate job of running Photoshop CS6 Extended  
 Corel Painter 11. I have the complete set of Nik Filters except I still need 
 to upgrade HDR Efex Pro to Pro2.
 
 By adequate, I mean you want it, here it is. Done. What's next?
 
 System parameters:
 GIGABYTE GA-Z68MA-D2H-B3 Intel Z68 Motherboard,
 Intel Core i7-2600K Unlocked - Quad Core, 8MB L3 Cache, 1MB L2 Cache, 3.40 
 GHz,
 32GB PC3-10666, DDR3-1333MHz RAM
 12X Internal Blu-Ray Writer - BD-R SL 12X, BD-R DL 8X, BD-RE SL/DL 2X, DVD±R 
 16X, DVD-RAM 12X, DVD+RW 8X, DVD-RW 6X, CD-R/RW 48X, _LIGHTSCRIBE_.
 
 Hard Drives - 3 physical internal SATA drives with available ports for 4 more.
 Boot: Hitachi 2.5” 160GB
 Scratch: Hitachi 2.5” 120GB
 DATA: Seagate 3.5” 1.5TB
 
 Windows 7 Professional 64BIT
 
 Boot  Scratch are stand-in drives until Solid State drive technology 
 matures a bit more (meaning prices come down A LOT). The Scratch drive has 
 nothing on it except PhotoShop's scratch file.
 
 I still want to get a good video card for it, but I had some other expenses 
 crop up. I also want a scanner that will handle large format transparencies. 
 I figure about another $1,000 to finish it.
 
 I don't even want to think about what it would have cost me to get a Mac with 
 those specifications. I don't know if I could get a Mac with those 
 specifications.
 
 That wasn't what woke me up. I was just on the verge of waking to make my 
 regular early morning trek, when the other computer restarted itself from a 
 Stop 0x000A. The WindowsXP startup sound is rather loud because the 
 volume control for the speakers doesn't load until after the desktop.
 
 Micro$oft says Stop A is a driver issue, but that's BOGUS. It's a failing 
 memory chip on one of the DIMMs. I been to *that* rodeo before!


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Re: OT - Why Computers hate John

2012-08-21 Thread Joseph McAllister
Aaahh. Much better. I can hear the sea from there.

On Aug 17, 2012, at 19:12 , steve harley wrote:

 on 2012-08-17 16:41 John Sessoms wrote
 I don't even want to think about what it would have cost me to get a Mac with
 those specifications. I don't know if I could get a Mac with those 
 specifications.
 
 you may not want to know but others might be curious …
 
 current top-end iMac is fairly similar - 3.4GHz quad i7, 32GB max RAM, *much* 
 better GPU, and the price includes an excellent 27 display
 
 cost is $2200 (or $1870 refurbed) + $300 for 32GB third party RAM
 
 you don't have to build it; that's worth a lot to some people
 
 the storage setup is rather different; you can get dual internal drives, but 
 i would opt for cheap externals for now and wait for Thunderbolt options to 
 settle down; it doesn't include a Blu-ray drive (something i'd have no use 
 for), but you can get externals


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Re: OT Fine art vs portrait photographer

2012-08-21 Thread Joseph McAllister

On Aug 16, 2012, at 22:58 , John Francis wrote:

 On Thu, Aug 16, 2012 at 10:51:58AM -0500, Walt Gilbert wrote:
 I hadn't heard that one before. Knopfler is almost as good a culture
 critic as he is a guitarist. Almost.
 
 I'm still trying to get my head around Knopfler's music being used
 for a Burger King commercial.  Princess Bride? OK.  But Burger King?
 
 There again, if The Who's back catalogue can provide theme music for
 a TV series, why shouldn't Dire Straits pick up a bit of extra cash?

Even the Beatles and Pink Floyd are becoming affordable to be jingoeyed to sell 
products or background a TV series.

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Nik Silver EFex Pro - Free Download

2012-08-21 Thread Brian Walters

G'day all

Silver Exfex Pro is a well-regarded Photoshop filter to help with  
black and white conversions. This is a legal download that might be  
useful to some, but there are a couple of gotchas:


1.  It's Version 1

2.  You have to register with Nik software, so you can expect to  
receive the odd email promotion in the future.


3.  It's not a stand-alone program.  You must have Photoshop or (I  
think) Lightroom.


4.  The download promotion is in German which, of course, is OK if you  
are fluent in German.  If not, go to this page to see how to get the  
deal for the rest of us:


http://www.mostiwant.com/blog/silver-efex-pro-free-product-key-serial-number/

Note - I had a few problems at Step 3 where clicking on the download  
link just took me to another German page.  I eventually worked out  
what to do.  If you have the same trouble, I'll try to assist.




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Re: The dream cruise pics

2012-08-21 Thread Mark C

On 8/21/2012 7:34 AM, Paul Stenquist wrote:

My take on the dream cruise, including 20 photos. The one example I posted here 
didn't make the cut, probably because the Maserati isn't a typical dream cruise 
machine.

http://wheels.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/21/the-woodward-dream-cruise-rediscovers-its-strut/

Great read and great photos - nice job, Paul!

Mark

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Re: Nik Silver EFex Pro - Free Download

2012-08-21 Thread Adam Montoya
On Tue, Aug 21, 2012 at 5:54 PM, Brian Walters apathy...@lyons-ryan.org wrote:
 G'day all

 Silver Exfex Pro is a well-regarded Photoshop filter to help with black and
 white conversions. This is a legal download that might be useful to some,
 but there are a couple of gotchas:

 1.  It's Version 1

 2.  You have to register with Nik software, so you can expect to receive the
 odd email promotion in the future.

 3.  It's not a stand-alone program.  You must have Photoshop or (I think)
 Lightroom.

 4.  The download promotion is in German which, of course, is OK if you are
 fluent in German.  If not, go to this page to see how to get the deal for
 the rest of us:

 http://www.mostiwant.com/blog/silver-efex-pro-free-product-key-serial-number/

 Note - I had a few problems at Step 3 where clicking on the download link
 just took me to another German page.  I eventually worked out what to do.
 If you have the same trouble, I'll try to assist.



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Brian,

Thanks for the link. They seem to have a download for Color Efex Pro
3.0 as well.

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Re: PESO: Critter

2012-08-21 Thread Mark C

Missed this one earlier, but that is a nice mantis shot!

Mark

On 8/15/2012 10:58 PM, John Sessoms wrote:
He just has them folded under and they're kind of hidden from the 
angle I was photographing him.


When he got tired of me poking the lens in his face he hopped down 
from the rose bush and tried to escape by climbing a maple tree. Once 
he got up about tripod level I was able to get a couple more good shots.


Here's the other one I liked:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7792517030/lightbox/
K20D, A* 100 f/2.8 macro @ f/5.6, 1/50

You can see the front legs are intact.

From: Jack Davis

Did the mower possibly cut off part its two front legs? They?appear 
to be somewhat incomplete.



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From: John Sessoms jsessoms...@nc.rr.com
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Sent: Wednesday, August 15, 2012 1:42 PM
Subject: PESO: Critter

I have been so uninspired I haven't even felt like picking my camera
up for several months. I think the last photos I took were at GFM
Nature Photography Weekend.

Yesterday while I was cutting the grass, this little fellow got
dumped out when I was emptying the catcher bag. I kind of scooped him
up and dropped him on my rose bush so he would be out of the way. He
was still hanging on the rose bush when I finished my yard work, so I
went and got my camera  put my A* 100 f/2.8 macro on it.

I took about 50 frames before he got irritated and left. This is one
of the two I'm relatively happy with:

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jb_sessoms/7790647954/lightbox/

K20D, A*100 f/2.8 macro @ f/8 and I'm not going to walk back into the
other room just to see what the shutter speed was.

When I was prepping it in Bridge, I noticed I've got a hot pixel that
causes a sharp line to appear across the frame. I tried to clone it
out, but I can see I need to go back and work on it again in some
places.





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Re: PESO - Simple Pleasures

2012-08-21 Thread Mark C

On 8/16/2012 11:22 PM, frank theriault wrote:

http://knarfinthecity.blogspot.ca/2012/08/simple-pleasures.html

Hope you enjoy.  Comments welcome.

cheers,
frank


Great capture, Frank!

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The K-01 revisited...

2012-08-21 Thread Bong Manayon
Out of lurk mode...

Got myself a K-01 :)

http://bong.manayon.net/2012/08/the-pentax-k-01-revisited.html

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