Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 18 May 2011 13:26, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: It's just different to what I was once used to, to me, not unenjoyable. The Olympus focus by wire is excellent and nets a good feel IMO with their better lenses. Agreed! The best focus-by-wire I've used so far (out of Oly, Panny, Sammy and Ricoh). It almost feels like a real lens. The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone focus or use spot AF, which eliminates the problem. The 50mm I tried yesterday focuses very smoothly and precisely in manual mode. Interesting... I wonder if I got a dud, because my 50mm lensor focus ring is really stiff (unlike the 28mm). And it takes a gazillion turns (approximately) to focus from 0.3m to 3m...or it takes just a 1/4 turn, depending on how the camera is feeling at that moment. Is that normal, Godfrey? Then there's the issue with the magnification aid for manual focus; it's terrible! Way too muddy to be easily used. With all of this in hand, I've given up on manual focus, relying instead on Spot Focus, Multi Focus, and Snap Focus (what a fracking good idea that is, by the way)--happily, these work well enough, though AF isn't as snappy as Panasonic's. Of course these subtlties of feel and preference are very personal. Feeling as you do, I might just say heck with it and wait for another R-D1 to come available. Or go for the gusto and wait until I can afford an M8.2 or M9. Might take a while, but that's not forever... :-) Patience is a virtue, Godfrey. I blew my budget today and ordered a Skopar 50mm f/2.5 in anticipation of the M lens module coming up this Fall, so I'll have that manual focus feel with the GXR too. Can always get a nice wide or normal M lens too ... 15, 21, 24, 25, 28, 35, 40, etc are all easily available. The one thing I'm dying to do with the GXR is mount the 77mm Ltd on it. Ain't gonna happen, though. In a previous message you said: Frankly, I dont care one wit if only two other people discover the GXR .. The problem with that is Ricoh won't develop the system further unless they have enough users, so you *should* want more than two people to discover the system. Unless you're one of those teenagers who stops liking a band once he's not the only one in highschool that listens to it :-p Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On Thu, May 19, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone focus or use spot AF, which eliminates the problem. The 50mm I tried yesterday focuses very smoothly and precisely in manual mode. Interesting... I wonder if I got a dud, because my 50mm lensor focus ring is really stiff (unlike the 28mm). And it takes a gazillion turns (approximately) to focus from 0.3m to 3m...or it takes just a 1/4 turn, depending on how the camera is feeling at that moment. Is that normal, Godfrey? The manual focus speed on the GXR steps depending on how your work it ... Hold the Macro button down while you turn the ring and it runs about 3x faster from one position to the next. I have only played with the one at the store so far. I liked the smooth resistance of the focusing ring, stiff but fluid. I don't know if they vary much between camera modules. ... Then there's the issue with the magnification aid for manual focus; it's terrible! Way too muddy to be easily used. With all of this in hand, I've given up on manual focus, relying instead on Spot Focus, Multi Focus, and Snap Focus (what a fracking good idea that is, by the way)--happily, these work well enough, though AF isn't as snappy as Panasonic's. The focus assist magnification is best to my eye at 4x (quick tip: hold down the self timer button for a second and you can pop between 2x, 4x and 8x with the control dial or up/down buttons, even with the magnification live). It works better with the 50mm than it does with the 28mm camera module, and better still with the EVF vs the LCD. Using the 28mm EFL lens, manual focusing is always going to touchy ... it *is* an 18.3mm lens optically, even with an APS-C sensor that's a short focal length with a lot of DoF ... so I use Spot AF and then toggle to MF to lock it for repeated shots, or use Snap focus for a fast shot. (Another quick tip: Hold down the Macro button and roll the control dial for a quick way to adjust the Snap pre-set focus distance.) Panasonic and Olympus AF systems are faster, yes. I haven't found it an issue given how I use the GXR. Patience is a virtue, Godfrey. I'm a very patient person. And I've already got dibs on Bob's M8 assuming I win the wrestling match with Cotty ... ]'-) Frankly, I dont care one wit if only two other people discover the GXR .. The problem with that is Ricoh won't develop the system further unless they have enough users, so you *should* want more than two people to discover the system. I don't really care how much more Ricoh develops the system, to be honest. With the A12 28 and 50 mm EFL lenses it works very well just as is. Add the upcoming M-lens expansion module that's already been announced (my pre-order is already in...) and I'll be able to do anything I intend to with it. It's not a replacement for a full SLR system, and even with that I only use a few lenses anyway. The basic body and existing four camera modules go a long way just as they are. One doesn't need every camera to do every possible job. This one is doing very nicely for what I bought it to do... -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 17/5/11, Larry Colen, discombobulated, unleashed: If I had a bit more (any) free time, it would be tempting to start my own photo website and invite the members of PDML to write for it. We, the undersubscribed, hereby enable you with more time. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
RE: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of William Robb On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. [...] I've gone from wanting one enough to trade my pancreas for one to thinking I'd rather have my pancreas ripped out through my arsehole than be forced to use one of the things. make sure you put that on Youtube for us B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
DPreview Review of Fuji X100
(I haven't read the DPR review and likely won't. Never did put much faith or find much credibility in what they have to say. But Cotty: I agree with you .. I'd much rather have an R-D1 or an M8 than an X100, even with only one lens.) I was all prepared to swoon over the X100 but playing with one found it quite underwhelming, which led to my discovery of the GXR. Frankly, I dont care one wit if only two other people discover the GXR .. It's simply a brilliant little camera for a photographer, not without its own warts, but it's warts and I seem to get along. I've found vey little in wasted gizmos or silly features in it. I was at BH today and had the chance to experiment with all of the GXR camera modules. Even the small sensor S10 24-72mm EFL camera module works very well, the A12 50mm EFL camera module is superb just like the 28mm. One of them will be waiting for me when I get home next week, along with a Leica optical finder for it. All I need to have a complete three lens traditional kit (wide, normal, portrait tele) with the camera after that is the M lens module and a 50mm lens. Once I have the M lens module I can also adapt my Nikkor 85mm and Pentax 135mm lenses to it too. And all of a sudden it's sounding like an SLR replacement move, because if I don't need the speed of the E-5 it is producing image quality quite on par and takes up 1/3 the space and weight... ! BTW: face detect AF on the G1 was actually quite useful for a good bit of my people shooting. I wouldn't dis a camera for having it, but neither would I go out of my way to get it. It's much like video: nice to have, occasionally useful ... On Tuesday, May 17, 2011, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 17/5/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. Thanks. I've read most of the review and, having done so (and if i had enough money) I would pass it by for now and go get another Epson R-D1. Really. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On May 18, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: BTW: face detect AF on the G1 was actually quite useful for a good bit of my people shooting. I wouldn't dis a camera for having it, but neither would I go out of my way to get it. It's much like video: nice to have, occasionally useful ... It's funny when video comes in useful. The beeb is doing an episode of a show on a friend of mine that does really cool sculptures: http://bathsheba.com And they need a couple of short clips of her working at her studio here, the rest of the episode will be shot in Boston where she spends the other half of her year. I used the video on the K-5 to do it and she gave me a couple of her sculptures for pay. If I was doing this professionally, there are about a zillion aspects of my kit today that just wouldn't fly, but the image quality is orders of magnitude better than what I can get with my DVC camcorder. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
OK, so neither Godfrey nor Bill was impressed with the X100. That's money back in the homeless lens jar. I'm OK with electronic viewfinders and LCDs. This is not a philosophical position, since I actually use both and I'm fine with them. If micro43 is on the horizon for anyone, EVFs are more important for Micro43 bodies just because they are so good at using legacy glass that you really need to be able to MF. My old m42 Super Tak 55 is a great lens on micro43 but I need to use the E-PL1 and not the E-P1 because I can only use the clip-on EVF with the former. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 4:13 AM, Larry Colen l...@red4est.com wrote: On May 18, 2011, at 12:44 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: BTW: face detect AF on the G1 was actually quite useful for a good bit of my people shooting. I wouldn't dis a camera for having it, but neither would I go out of my way to get it. It's much like video: nice to have, occasionally useful ... It's funny when video comes in useful. The beeb is doing an episode of a show on a friend of mine that does really cool sculptures: http://bathsheba.com And they need a couple of short clips of her working at her studio here, the rest of the episode will be shot in Boston where she spends the other half of her year. I used the video on the K-5 to do it and she gave me a couple of her sculptures for pay. If I was doing this professionally, there are about a zillion aspects of my kit today that just wouldn't fly, but the image quality is orders of magnitude better than what I can get with my DVC camcorder. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: (I haven't read the DPR review and likely won't. Never did put much faith or find much credibility in what they have to say. But Cotty: I agree with you .. I'd much rather have an R-D1 or an M8 than an X100, even with only one lens.) I was all prepared to swoon over the X100 but playing with one found it quite underwhelming, The big downer for me seems to be the fact that the manual focus is 'fly- by-wire'. I have an HD camcorder that uses this system and for precise manual focussing I find it fiddly - although (as they also mention re the X100) accurate. It's fiddly because you turn the focus ring and and action sends inputs through to the appropriate element(s) inside the lens to move and achieve the desired focus - by electronic motors and not direct contact. You might think this is fine, but I. dear reader, do not. What it means in practice is that you turn the ring and it moves the focus - but not in the same way as a pure manual actuation, as on a good old-fashioned manual focus lens. On the latter, you turn the focus ring and it has a set and finite movement. It's instinctive. The more you use it, the better you know where closest focus is and where infinity is. It has 'end stops' - the points at which it won't turn anymore. The fly-by-wire system has none of this. The focus ring will turn and turn forever. It is simply a method of adjusting the focus electronically by letting the user turn a metal ring. Allegedly, the slower you turn it the more precise the control, and the faster you turn it the faster it moves through the focus range. To me this is complete bollocks and counter-intuitive. You, dear reader, may like it. As I say, I use this system in a small HD camcorder that I use professionally - and it's a pain. But the thing is small and has many other benefits, so not a problem. In my proper camcorder you will find a fully manual focussing lens with a massive focus ring. Can't do without that. If I rehearse a focus pull through a video shot, then my hand must be doing the same movement for each take. With the fly-by-wire system, this is not possible. Might as well use a rocker or toggle switch. In the event they've chosen a metal ring on the lens barrel. It's an electronic switch, not a focus ring. But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again Rant over :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 5/18/2011 14:42, Cotty wrote: On the latter, you turn the focus ring and it has a set and finite movement. It's instinctive. The more you use it, the better you know where closest focus is and where infinity is. It has 'end stops' - the points at which it won't turn anymore. I can relate to that. D FA 50/2.8 has the AF system that allows full manual override. The downsize - it will rotate beyond infinity and closer than the closest focusing distance. And I totally agree with your sentiment that focus by wire is simply different mechanical realization of the same electronic switch (such as rocker switch)... I believe it may be possible to make it closer to the good olde mechanical focus ring, but it would probably be way out of the target domain, so to say. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 18/5/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: And I totally agree with your sentiment that focus by wire is simply different mechanical realization of the same electronic switch (such as rocker switch)... I believe it may be possible to make it closer to the good olde mechanical focus ring, but it would probably be way out of the target domain, so to say. I think what it boils down to is that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Clearly most people shoot using AF these days and it's too expensive to make lenses fully manual with an automatic override. So they made an automatic lens with a manual override that is nothing like a true manual lens. Deal breaker for me sadly. But hey, you pays your money and you takes your choice :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
But hey, you pays your money and you takes your choice :) A lot of money in this case. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 7:55 AM, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 18/5/11, Boris Liberman, discombobulated, unleashed: And I totally agree with your sentiment that focus by wire is simply different mechanical realization of the same electronic switch (such as rocker switch)... I believe it may be possible to make it closer to the good olde mechanical focus ring, but it would probably be way out of the target domain, so to say. I think what it boils down to is that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Clearly most people shoot using AF these days and it's too expensive to make lenses fully manual with an automatic override. So they made an automatic lens with a manual override that is nothing like a true manual lens. Deal breaker for me sadly. But hey, you pays your money and you takes your choice :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 5/18/2011 14:55, Cotty wrote: I think what it boils down to is that you can't please all of the people all of the time. Clearly most people shoot using AF these days and it's too expensive to make lenses fully manual with an automatic override. So they made an automatic lens with a manual override that is nothing like a true manual lens. Deal breaker for me sadly. But hey, you pays your money and you takes your choice :) I payest my money and I takest my choiceses :-). Seriously however it is not that bad in my case. And most of the time this lens is mounted on Galia's camera where it is being used in AF mode anyway. My understanding here is that in this specific case the idea is to augment AF with ability to do minimal manual touch up if necessary. With clamp engaged D FA 50/2.8 macro is quite manual, thank you so much :-). As for X100, it is a bit disappointing really, because they went to so long a length with the hybrid viewfinder but they did not pair it with proper MF simulation. Yet having taken out the funny face detection AF mode they clearly had wider target audience in mind. Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again The difference is that on a still camera, you do not do focus pulls. You focus and make a single or sequence of exposures. A *good* focus by wire system is perfectly fine for this, in my experience, where on a video camera it makes doing the work impossible. The difference between a manual focusing helicoid and a servo-helicoid lens for a still camera simply means a different technique is used to adjust the focus. The focusing mechanism is not the reason why I found the X100 underwhelming. :-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again The difference is that on a still camera, you do not do focus pulls. You focus and make a single or sequence of exposures. A *good* focus by wire system is perfectly fine for this, in my experience, where on a video camera it makes doing the work impossible. The difference between a manual focusing helicoid and a servo-helicoid lens for a still camera simply means a different technique is used to adjust the focus. I guess what I am saying is that this different technique is not what I am looking for in photographic enjoyment. I have to actually enjoy the process of picture taking as well as enjoy the results ;) The focusing mechanism is not the reason why I found the X100 underwhelming. :-) Understood. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com To: pentax list PDML@pdml.net Subject: Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100 Message-ID: 20110518114226.944870...@smtp.mac.com Content-Type: text/plain; CHARSET=US-ASCII On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: (I haven't read the DPR review and likely won't. Never did put much faith or find much credibility in what they have to say. But Cotty: I agree with you .. I'd much rather have an R-D1 or an M8 than an X100, even with only one lens.) I was all prepared to swoon over the X100 but playing with one found it quite underwhelming, The big downer for me seems to be the fact that the manual focus is 'fly- by-wire'. I have an HD camcorder that uses this system and for precise manual focussing I find it fiddly - although (as they also mention re the X100) accurate. It's fiddly because you turn the focus ring and and action sends inputs through to the appropriate element(s) inside the lens to move and achieve the desired focus - by electronic motors and not direct contact. You might think this is fine, but I. dear reader, do not. What it means in practice is that you turn the ring and it moves the focus - but not in the same way as a pure manual actuation, as on a good old-fashioned manual focus lens. Cotty I had the fly-by-wire system on my Prius (the car not the camera). It always worked but there was the niggling worry that it was doing what it thought I wanted and not what I really asked to do. But I can't afford a new Fuji or a new car either. Don -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
It's just different to what I was once used to, to me, not unenjoyable. The Olympus focus by wire is excellent and nets a good feel IMO with their better lenses. The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone focus or use spot AF, which eliminates the problem. The 50mm I tried yesterday focuses very smoothly and precisely in manual mode. Of course these subtlties of feel and preference are very personal. Feeling as you do, I might just say heck with it and wait for another R-D1 to come available. Or go for the gusto and wait until I can afford an M8.2 or M9. Might take a while, but that's not forever... :-) I blew my budget today and ordered a Skopar 50mm f/2.5 in anticipation of the M lens module coming up this Fall, so I'll have that manual focus feel with the GXR too. Can always get a nice wide or normal M lens too ... 15, 21, 24, 25, 28, 35, 40, etc are all easily available. On Wednesday, May 18, 2011, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again The difference is that on a still camera, you do not do focus pulls. You focus and make a single or sequence of exposures. A *good* focus by wire system is perfectly fine for this, in my experience, where on a video camera it makes doing the work impossible. The difference between a manual focusing helicoid and a servo-helicoid lens for a still camera simply means a different technique is used to adjust the focus. I guess what I am saying is that this different technique is not what I am looking for in photographic enjoyment. I have to actually enjoy the process of picture taking as well as enjoy the results ;) The focusing mechanism is not the reason why I found the X100 underwhelming. :-) Understood. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: It's just different to what I was once used to, to me, not unenjoyable. The Olympus focus by wire is excellent and nets a good feel IMO with their better lenses. The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone focus or use spot AF, which eliminates the problem. Fair points. In fairness I should try the actual systems in question first before snubbing them completely. I'll try anything once :) -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:40 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: But it sure is pretty. Think of it as the camera equivalent of Paris Hilton. A Mark of course. Fix the grammatical errors first, at least. Darned red wine What errors Dave -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Documenting Life in Rural Ontario. www.caughtinmotion.com http://brooksinthecountry.blogspot.com/ York Region, Ontario, Canada -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
I have noticed on the E-P1 that it is easier to manually focus the old Tak 55 than the micro43 Lumix 20. I wondered why this is true and never considered that the 20 is focus by wire. Interesting. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 1:26 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: It's just different to what I was once used to, to me, not unenjoyable. The Olympus focus by wire is excellent and nets a good feel IMO with their better lenses. The Ricoh 28mm isn't quite so, but like with any very wide lens I either zone focus or use spot AF, which eliminates the problem. The 50mm I tried yesterday focuses very smoothly and precisely in manual mode. Of course these subtlties of feel and preference are very personal. Feeling as you do, I might just say heck with it and wait for another R-D1 to come available. Or go for the gusto and wait until I can afford an M8.2 or M9. Might take a while, but that's not forever... :-) I blew my budget today and ordered a Skopar 50mm f/2.5 in anticipation of the M lens module coming up this Fall, so I'll have that manual focus feel with the GXR too. Can always get a nice wide or normal M lens too ... 15, 21, 24, 25, 28, 35, 40, etc are all easily available. On Wednesday, May 18, 2011, Cotty cotty...@mac.com wrote: On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again The difference is that on a still camera, you do not do focus pulls. You focus and make a single or sequence of exposures. A *good* focus by wire system is perfectly fine for this, in my experience, where on a video camera it makes doing the work impossible. The difference between a manual focusing helicoid and a servo-helicoid lens for a still camera simply means a different technique is used to adjust the focus. I guess what I am saying is that this different technique is not what I am looking for in photographic enjoyment. I have to actually enjoy the process of picture taking as well as enjoy the results ;) The focusing mechanism is not the reason why I found the X100 underwhelming. :-) Understood. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cotty burbled: The big downer for me seems to be the fact that the manual focus is 'fly- by-wire'. they use fly-by-wire on the Olympus E series cameras. It's very good indeed and I don't have any issues with it. Whether it's the same experience on the X100 remains to be seen, but it's something I prefer to judge myself rather than rely on reviews. I have an HD camcorder that uses this system and for precise [...] focus range. To me this is complete bollocks and counter-intuitive. You, dear reader, may like it. One man's bollocks are another man's sweetbreads. [...] But what on a still camera? I'm afraid I still want the manual focus on a camera like this. Maybe if they release an X100 version with interchangeable manual focus lenses (M mount? not gonna happen) then I'll look again you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed on the E-P1 that it is easier to manually focus the old Tak 55 than the micro43 Lumix 20. I wondered why this is true and never considered that the 20 is focus by wire. Interesting. It's also almost three times the focal length, which makes it much easier to see the focus transition point with it than with a wide-normal lens due to the depth of field. Also, the Lumix 20/1.7 is physically too short and difficult for me to get my fingers on the focusing ring comfortably for easy focusing operation. (The Ricoh GXR A12 28mm lens has a similar problem due to the physical size of the lens. With the A12 50mm it is much easier to grasp and operate the focusing ring... !) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? B -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/5/11, Godfrey DiGiorgi, discombobulated, unleashed: With the A12 50mm it is much easier to grasp and operate the focusing ring... !) Steady boy. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/5/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Throw in a few kennel maids and the job's a gudun. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 18/5/11, Bob W, discombobulated, unleashed: I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? Pinot Grigio -- keyboard. cheers. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Wednesday, May 18, 2011, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:37 AM, Bob W p...@web-options.com wrote: ... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? The bigger they are ... Um ... Maybe work on staying out of reach ]8-0 -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? The bigger they are ... Um ... Maybe work on staying out of reach ]8-0 you one slippery customer, Mr Godfrey! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2keIfaPHgw -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Cotty I think what it boils down to is that you can't please all of the people all of the time. True, but according to A. Lincoln, you *can* fool some of the people all of the time. - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1375 / Virus Database: 1509/3644 - Release Date: 05/17/11 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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... you can buy my M8 off me when I get an M9. I give you special price my friend. Humpf! I wish I was your friend ... ]'-) I give you extra special price my very good friend. But first you wrestle my friend Cotty, yes? The bigger they are ... Um ... Maybe work on staying out of reach ]8-0 you one slippery customer, Mr Godfrey! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2keIfaPHgw M ... Like a fish, Mr. Walkden. Like a well greased fish ... ];-) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 11-05-18 5:19 PM, Bob W wrote: you one slippery customer, Mr Godfrey! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D2keIfaPHgw Oh my. Bunch of wankers. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I have a Zuiko 50 as well as a Lumix 45-200. I'll try these as well. On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 3:17 PM, Godfrey DiGiorgi gdigio...@gmail.com wrote: On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 11:19 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: I have noticed on the E-P1 that it is easier to manually focus the old Tak 55 than the micro43 Lumix 20. I wondered why this is true and never considered that the 20 is focus by wire. Interesting. It's also almost three times the focal length, which makes it much easier to see the focus transition point with it than with a wide-normal lens due to the depth of field. Also, the Lumix 20/1.7 is physically too short and difficult for me to get my fingers on the focusing ring comfortably for easy focusing operation. (The Ricoh GXR A12 28mm lens has a similar problem due to the physical size of the lens. With the A12 50mm it is much easier to grasp and operate the focusing ring... !) -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Of course, the very fact that I own all this crap means that I'm not exactly hostile to these systems. I did finally sell the E-P1 and bought a refurbished E-P2. Essentially the same camera but the E-P2 accepts the excellent 1.44 MP clip on EVF. This makes it easy to MF the old lenses. It's a lot like using my old MX in term of size and operation, which is fine with me. I have a Zuiko 50 as well as a Lumix 45-200. I'll try these as well -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 5/17/2011 15:16, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. Just wait, Steven, until Godfrey amazes us with his Ricoh camera and until Ricoh introduces rumored Leica M-mount module for Godfrey's camera... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17 May 2011 08:41, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: Just wait, Steven, until Godfrey amazes us with his Ricoh camera and until Ricoh introduces rumored Leica M-mount module for Godfrey's camera... Boris Is Godders the *only* person who bought a Ricoh GXR? ;-) —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. They listed No face detection AF system as a Con. Is this really a selling point with serious photographers? Maybe I'm too far out of the loop, but I've always thought face detection was one of those features used to sell the camera to soccer moms. I wouldn't even think to ask if it had that. Not that I'm a serious photographer, but I think that many of those features are crammed in there in order to sell the camera with little consideration that they'll actually be used. Am I missing something? Are the reviewers at DPReview a bunch of buzz word slinging wankers? Am I the wanker? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:11 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: Is Godders the *only* person who bought a Ricoh GXR? ;-) —M. He's the only one I know of. -- Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17 May 2011 12:27, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. They listed No face detection AF system as a Con. Is this really a selling point with serious photographers? Maybe I'm too far out of the loop, but I've always thought face detection was one of those features used to sell the camera to soccer moms. I wouldn't even think to ask if it had that. Not that I'm a serious photographer, but I think that many of those features are crammed in there in order to sell the camera with little consideration that they'll actually be used. Am I missing something? Are the reviewers at DPReview a bunch of buzz word slinging wankers? Am I the wanker? Scott, I don't know if you're the wanker, or even *a* wanker, and I don't want to send you the questionnaire to find out, but I can answer your question: I am not a soccer mum and I love face detection. Maybe I'm not a serious photographer, though :-) Here's why I love it: As a street shooter, I'm photographing people most of the time; I usually have a short time to get correct focus and I don't like AF'ing with the center point then recomposing, so I end up using other AF points with varying success. With face-detection on a contrast-detect AF system I can compose my shot how I want it and the AF will focus on the person's face, wherever it may be in the frame. Not only does this give me more creative freedom when framing a shot (e.g., I can shoot from the hip or above my head without seeing the screen and my subject's face will be in focus), it also gives me more accurate focusing (we all know the perils of focus-and-recompose at wide apertures). I admit that face-detect does sound like a gimmick, but I've found it very useful on the cameras I've reviewed that had it. So much so that when I had to return to shooting with my K10D or a mirrorless camera without the gimmick/feature, I felt deprived. Maybe *I* am the wanker because I can't be a man and shoot like HCB did :-) Cheers, —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a soccer mum and I love face detection. I am not a soccer mum either and I don't care for face detection... Kind of anonymous alcoholic statement, you know... I don't think that my K-5 is doing too good with all of its AF points. So I configured it to use only 5 of them - the cross pattern with the central point, well, in the center. And I find that I often go to center point only mode. This hasn't been happening with any of my previous Pentax cameras. In LV mode it does have the face detection but I turned it off. It is confusing if it/I have to choose from more than one face in the frame, you know. And consider, Miserere, I am somewhat a geek and I like gizmos... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 17 May 2011 12:50, Boris Liberman bori...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I am not a soccer mum and I love face detection. I am not a soccer mum either and I don't care for face detection... Kind of anonymous alcoholic statement, you know... I don't think that my K-5 is doing too good with all of its AF points. So I configured it to use only 5 of them - the cross pattern with the central point, well, in the center. And I find that I often go to center point only mode. This hasn't been happening with any of my previous Pentax cameras. In LV mode it does have the face detection but I turned it off. It is confusing if it/I have to choose from more than one face in the frame, you know. I didn't find the K-5's face-detection to work as well as that on the mirrorless cameras I've used it on. I suspect LiveView AF was not at the top of the priorities list of the K-5 team. And consider, Miserere, I am somewhat a geek and I like gizmos... It's OK, Boris, you're amongst friends here :-) —M. \/\/o/\/\ -- http://WorldOfMiserere.com http://EnticingTheLight.com A Quest for Photographic Enlightenment -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 7:53 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: I didn't find the K-5's face-detection to work as well as that on the mirrorless cameras I've used it on. I suspect LiveView AF was not at the top of the priorities list of the K-5 team. Oh! Uhmm... Time to scratch my head. And consider, Miserere, I am somewhat a geek and I like gizmos... It's OK, Boris, you're amongst friends here :-) I thought it was so because I kind of pushed we go to the Russian restaurant back in Chicago last year... Boris -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 May 2011 12:27, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. They listed No face detection AF system as a Con. Is this really a selling point with serious photographers? I am not a soccer mum and I love face detection. Maybe I'm not a serious photographer, though :-) Here's why I love it: As a street shooter, I'm photographing people most of the time; I usually have a short time to get correct focus and I don't like AF'ing with the center point then recomposing, so I end up using other AF points with varying success. With face-detection on a contrast-detect AF system I can compose my shot how I want it and the AF will focus on the person's face, wherever it may be in the frame. Not only does this give me more creative freedom when framing a shot (e.g., I can shoot from the hip or above my head without seeing the screen and my subject's face will be in focus), it also gives me more accurate focusing (we all know the perils of focus-and-recompose at wide apertures). I'll buy that. A while back we gave the Megan an Optio WS80 or some such. I didn't even realize it had face detection until she turned it on. Every once in a while I'll turn it on and see if it will focus on doll's faces, people on the TV (it will), drawings, etc. It's amusing, but I never really considered using it for the act of taking pictures. I imagine that most people put the damn thing on a tripod and use face detection for family portraits - when everyone is standing still. I'm going to swipe Megan's camera one of these days and try it on the street. Maybe *I* am the wanker because I can't be a man and shoot like HCB did :-) I hear there's a questionnaire. :-) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I did notice that DP said if you use the X100 like an Olde Tyme Camera it's wonderful. I will admit, the Face detection on the E-PL1 works a treat and makes parties a bit easier. Of course, I'm not a bit fan of jockeying around the focus point and at short range the focus and compose approach isn't always that good. My wife's Optio-10 has a pet detection mode. You take a few shots of your dog/cat/wombat and save them. The camera then uses them as template. I'd really poke fun at this but it seems to work with annoying frequency. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 1:12 PM, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 12:42 PM, Miserere miser...@gmail.com wrote: On 17 May 2011 12:27, Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com wrote: On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 8:16 AM, Steven Desjardins drd1...@gmail.com wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. They listed No face detection AF system as a Con. Is this really a selling point with serious photographers? I am not a soccer mum and I love face detection. Maybe I'm not a serious photographer, though :-) Here's why I love it: As a street shooter, I'm photographing people most of the time; I usually have a short time to get correct focus and I don't like AF'ing with the center point then recomposing, so I end up using other AF points with varying success. With face-detection on a contrast-detect AF system I can compose my shot how I want it and the AF will focus on the person's face, wherever it may be in the frame. Not only does this give me more creative freedom when framing a shot (e.g., I can shoot from the hip or above my head without seeing the screen and my subject's face will be in focus), it also gives me more accurate focusing (we all know the perils of focus-and-recompose at wide apertures). I'll buy that. A while back we gave the Megan an Optio WS80 or some such. I didn't even realize it had face detection until she turned it on. Every once in a while I'll turn it on and see if it will focus on doll's faces, people on the TV (it will), drawings, etc. It's amusing, but I never really considered using it for the act of taking pictures. I imagine that most people put the damn thing on a tripod and use face detection for family portraits - when everyone is standing still. I'm going to swipe Megan's camera one of these days and try it on the street. Maybe *I* am the wanker because I can't be a man and shoot like HCB did :-) I hear there's a questionnaire. :-) -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ __o _'\,_ (*)/ (*) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
Miserere wrote on Tue, 17 May 2011 09:11:43 -0700 Is Godders the *only* person who bought a Ricoh GXR? ;-) Nope, I bought one too - in large measure because of what Godfrey has said about it and after looking at the work he is doing with it. Certainly it's not a camera for the masses, and it has its flaws, but I really like how it handles and the IQ I get from its 2 APS-C modules. Now if they would just hurry up with that Leica M module... Regards, Jim -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
It is stupid and pointless as DPR can get. Plain and simple. Such niche camera should be reviewed with their niche target in mind IMO. As usual, DPR misses the boat entirely in the way they present the thing. 2011/5/17 Scott Loveless sdlovel...@gmail.com: They listed No face detection AF system as a Con. nker? -- Scott Loveless http://www.twosixteen.com/fivetoedsloth/ -- Thibault Massart aka Thibouille/Thibs -- Photo: K-7, Sigma 28/1.8 macro, FA50/1.4, DA40Ltd, K30/2.8, DA16-45, DA50-135, DA50-200, 360FGZ KX, MX, SuperA+Motor, Z1, P30 Mamiya C330+80/2.8 Sekonic L-208 FalconEyes TE300D x2 Studio flashes Laptop: Macbook 13 Unibody SnowLeo/Win7 Programing: Delphi 2009 -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 17/5/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. Thanks. I've read most of the review and, having done so (and if i had enough money) I would pass it by for now and go get another Epson R-D1. Really. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
My hero. ;-) -Original Message- From: Cotty cotty...@mac.com Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net Date: Wed, 18 May 2011 00:51:09 To: pentax listPDML@pdml.net Reply-To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Subject: Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100 On 17/5/11, Steven Desjardins, discombobulated, unleashed: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. Thanks. I've read most of the review and, having done so (and if i had enough money) I would pass it by for now and go get another Epson R-D1. Really. -- Cheers, Cotty ___/\__ || (O) | People, Places, Pastiche -- http://www.cottysnaps.com _ -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. I got to handle on a couple of weeks ago at the local pusher's trade show. It is a thing of beauty, but it is small and fiddly. The viewfinder is very nice in AF mode, but in manual focus mode (EV) it is the typical pile of dung electronic viewfinder viewfinder that I have come to abhor. One would think that they could at least try to improve on the flickery colour TV effect that is reminiscent of a broken 1960s RCA TV with these things, but apparently they think we will be wowed by garbage technology because the marketing boffins tell us to be wowed. I've gone from wanting one enough to trade my pancreas for one to thinking I'd rather have my pancreas ripped out through my arsehole than be forced to use one of the things. But it sure is pretty. Think of it as the camera equivalent of Paris Hilton. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On May 17, 2011, at 9:21 PM, William Robb wrote: On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. I got to handle on a couple of weeks ago at the local pusher's trade show. It is a thing of beauty, but it is small and fiddly. The viewfinder is very nice in AF mode, but in manual focus mode (EV) it is the typical pile of dung electronic viewfinder viewfinder that I have come to abhor. One would think that they could at least try to improve on the flickery colour TV effect that is reminiscent of a broken 1960s RCA TV with these things, but apparently they think we will be wowed by garbage technology because the marketing boffins tell us to be wowed. I've gone from wanting one enough to trade my pancreas for one to thinking I'd rather have my pancreas ripped out through my arsehole than be forced to use one of the things. But it sure is pretty. Think of it as the camera equivalent of Paris Hilton. A Mark of course. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On 17/05/2011 7:33 PM, Paul Stenquist wrote: On May 17, 2011, at 9:21 PM, William Robb wrote: On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. I got to handle on a couple of weeks ago at the local pusher's trade show. It is a thing of beauty, but it is small and fiddly. The viewfinder is very nice in AF mode, but in manual focus mode (EV) it is the typical pile of dung electronic viewfinder viewfinder that I have come to abhor. One would think that they could at least try to improve on the flickery colour TV effect that is reminiscent of a broken 1960s RCA TV with these things, but apparently they think we will be wowed by garbage technology because the marketing boffins tell us to be wowed. I've gone from wanting one enough to trade my pancreas for one to thinking I'd rather have my pancreas ripped out through my arsehole than be forced to use one of the things. But it sure is pretty. Think of it as the camera equivalent of Paris Hilton. A Mark of course. Fix the grammatical errors first, at least. Darned red wine -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On May 17, 2011, at 1:51 PM, Thibouille wrote: It is stupid and pointless as DPR can get. Plain and simple. Such niche camera should be reviewed with their niche target in mind IMO. As usual, DPR misses the boat entirely in the way they present the thing. One of the issues that I ran into recently is the way that websites need to target their specific audience. Distribution of skill level is not a linear function, especially among their audience. There are a lot of people with effectively zero knowledge, and I suspect a huge number that know just about enough to put the camera in green mode and point the camera in pretty much the right direction, who if given the opportunity would hold the camera at arms length in live view mode. When I was hanging out on the DPR pentax slr forum, people who knew the relationship between aperture and depth of field were among the knowledgeable crew, and those that could comfortably shoot an all manual camera were the technical elite. While one would hope that the people who run such a website would be highly skilled photographers, in my limited experience that is not always the case. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
Bill, you should definitely write reviews. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:21 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ They were clearly exasperated with the combination of wonderful camera and stupid flaws. I have to admit I'm not that tempted. I would do better to buy some nice glass for the E-P1, or get the E-P2 with the EVF and then get some nice glass. I'm just not sure I would want to drop that much money on a camera with a fixed lens at the 35mm-equivalent FL, which is not my favorite. The fact that I'm taking so much trouble to explain why I don't want it is suspicious, however. I suspect that if $$$ weren't a factor I would buy one and use it whenever I could. I got to handle on a couple of weeks ago at the local pusher's trade show. It is a thing of beauty, but it is small and fiddly. The viewfinder is very nice in AF mode, but in manual focus mode (EV) it is the typical pile of dung electronic viewfinder viewfinder that I have come to abhor. One would think that they could at least try to improve on the flickery colour TV effect that is reminiscent of a broken 1960s RCA TV with these things, but apparently they think we will be wowed by garbage technology because the marketing boffins tell us to be wowed. I've gone from wanting one enough to trade my pancreas for one to thinking I'd rather have my pancreas ripped out through my arsehole than be forced to use one of the things. But it sure is pretty. Think of it as the camera equivalent of Paris Hilton. -- William Robb -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: DPreview Review of Fuji X100
On May 17, 2011, at 7:17 PM, Steven Desjardins wrote: Bill, you should definitely write reviews. I agree, he does have a way with words. If I had a bit more (any) free time, it would be tempting to start my own photo website and invite the members of PDML to write for it. On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 9:21 PM, William Robb anotherdrunken...@gmail.com wrote: On 17/05/2011 6:16 AM, Steven Desjardins wrote: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilmx100/ I got to handle on a couple of weeks ago at the local pusher's trade show. It is a thing of beauty, but it is small and fiddly. The viewfinder is very nice in AF mode, but in manual focus mode (EV) it is the typical pile of dung electronic viewfinder viewfinder that I have come to abhor. One would think that they could at least try to improve on the flickery colour TV effect that is reminiscent of a broken 1960s RCA TV with these things, but apparently they think we will be wowed by garbage technology because the marketing boffins tell us to be wowed. I've gone from wanting one enough to trade my pancreas for one to thinking I'd rather have my pancreas ripped out through my arsehole than be forced to use one of the things. But it sure is pretty. Think of it as the camera equivalent of Paris Hilton. -- Larry Colen l...@red4est.com sent from i4est -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
