Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
From: Bob Sullivan Mickey D's introduced free WiFi in the USA in mid January. I look forward to trying it the next time I travel. :-) What's absurd here is that every motel on the interstate will have free WiFi, but the expensive hotels in downtown Boston or Chicago will charge for it. Regards, Bob S. It hasn't reached EVERY McDonalds in the USA yet. I found one in Georgia last Sunday night along I-95 that didn't have it yet. One of those combination gas station-mini mart-McDonalds. I stayed in an Embassy Suites in Greensboro, NC Friday and Saturday that charges for WiFi in the rooms. That pissed me off, but I would have tolerated it without squawking but they only had instant coffee with breakfast - one of those soda fountain type machines that makes the coffee by adding hot water to a syrup. Really stupid because I know they had the real deal back in the kitchens - we were having a convention there and they put out real coffee urns at the breaks. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 07.02.2010 00:56, schrieb steve harley: On 2010-02-06 17:24 , Martin Trautmann wrote: Thanks, so the price now is up to $40 or even $90, saving $2 for the former built-in option. yeah i guess Apple sold too few to keep the product alive; i'd try eBay for a better price I'll have a look, but my current computers all still got the modem function. The next one won't - and I'm not sure whether any usb modem would be sufficient. Dell models are much cheaper here, about the same size. Are there any experiences about USB 56k modems which did *not* work with Macs? Thanks, Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 07.02.2010 09:56, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Dell models are much cheaper here, about the same size. Are there any experiences about USB 56k modems which did *not* work with Macs? Example of a cheap one: ebay #180458160070, 6.80 € (about $9) - should this work with any computer, including Mac? - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 7, 2010, at 2:33 AM, David Mann wrote: On Feb 7, 2010, at 9:07 AM, John Francis wrote: The last time I used one (on the previous machine) was at my mother's house, to get internet access (Virgin UK pay-as-you-go). But for my last trip I used a USB cellular modem. We picked up one of those not long before Xmas as one of the big telcos was running a tempting promotion with a prepay service. I think we've been given more in compensation than we've spent using it. Their brand new network has experienced several major egg-on-the-face outages. But now when we travel I can connect without hunting for free wifi signals or paying extortionate rates to use private or hotel networks. We really are privileged in this city to have free wireless in the public libraries. I think most libraries in the U.S. have free wireless, as do most hotels. It's becoming less of a problem all the time. Before the recession hit, there was a plan afoot to provide free global wireless for all the suburbs in Oakland County, Michigan. But they ran into some technical glitches, and then the economy came crashing down. Paul Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mickey D's introduced free WiFi in the USA in mid January. I look forward to trying it the next time I travel. :-) What's absurd here is that every motel on the interstate will have free WiFi, but the expensive hotels in downtown Boston or Chicago will charge for it. Regards, Bob S. On Sun, Feb 7, 2010 at 1:33 AM, David Mann dm...@bluemoon.net.nz wrote: On Feb 7, 2010, at 9:07 AM, John Francis wrote: The last time I used one (on the previous machine) was at my mother's house, to get internet access (Virgin UK pay-as-you-go). But for my last trip I used a USB cellular modem. We picked up one of those not long before Xmas as one of the big telcos was running a tempting promotion with a prepay service. I think we've been given more in compensation than we've spent using it. Their brand new network has experienced several major egg-on-the-face outages. But now when we travel I can connect without hunting for free wifi signals or paying extortionate rates to use private or hotel networks. We really are privileged in this city to have free wireless in the public libraries. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 8:10 PM, John Francis jo...@panix.com wrote: On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 06:52:03PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:47 PM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/2/6 Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info: Among other Apple laptops I have performed surgery on, I have swapped out the hard drive on a white iMac G3. Talk about an integrated system not designed for user upgrade! But iFixIt is a godsend, and the procedure can be done even by a semi-klutz like me. The most nervous I have ever been doing such upgrades was in upgrading my Mac+ from 1 to 4mb of RAM. The upgrade required cutting two wires that served as jumpers on the circuit board, and I rechecked the directions 10-15 times before I made the cuts! stan Hardly a consolation, I guess, but I don't think other PC makers are much better than Apple in this respect... We bought a series of about 100 Fujitsu-Siemens desktop computers at work one year, which need about 30 minutes of effort each, just to upgrade the RAM... :-( Jostein Both HP and IBM/Lenovo are. Drop a panel, pull the drive/RAM, swap in the replacements. IBM's Thinkpads have had the same basic easy HDD swap design since the early 90's. Of course, both are major corporate suppliers. That seems to be an indicator for ease of servicability in my experience. -Adam In all fairness, too, the original complaint was about older desktop computers, where you often had to remove half a dozen screws just to take off the outer shell (although HP got that down to a couple of hand-operable turnscrews fairly on in the process). My HP notebooks generally require maybe one screw to remove either the access panel or the drive assembly, so replacing or upgrading the RAM, hard drive(s) or optical drive is a simple end-user task. Missed the desktop bit, but IBM desktops have been easy-access since the early 80's, HP's weren't bad either (at worst it was 3 screws) and are super-easy now. I actually found the worst ones were the Apple G3/G4's, while they were easy to open, you needed a whole bunch of desk space to do so, rather than just popping the case off and working inside the machine. If you had the space, the Apple's were nice to work on though, especially the 8600/Beige G3 with the fold-out drive array. Great in the shop, not so good onsite. -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-07 01:59 , Martin Trautmann wrote: Am 07.02.2010 09:56, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Dell models are much cheaper here, about the same size. Are there any experiences about USB 56k modems which did *not* work with Macs? Example of a cheap one: ebay #180458160070, 6.80 € (about $9) - should this work with any computer, including Mac? i believe that other than the Apple version you'd have to find and install a driver; no Mac driver listed for that one, and not brand listed to help in looking it up ... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/6 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: Thanks for the corection. But the iPad will have IPS... Source or bust. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-05 10:33 , Martin Trautmann wrote: eSATA? for that you need the 17 MacBook Pro, or an older 15, there are ExpressCards that do eSATA seamlessless (no drivers) fax modem? should you really need such a thing, Apple sells an external modem the size of a pack of gum for $30; a while back i got one in a bag of stuff at a yard sale for $2 and got it for the sense of readiness it gives me (smile), though i have not used a modem for 5 years or so (sent one fax maybe three years ago, but used an online service) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 06.02.2010 14:06, schrieb AlunFoto: 2010/2/6 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de: Thanks for the corection. But the iPad will have IPS... Source or bust. Watch the keynote. Or more easily: http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ Display * 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen Multi-Touch display with *IPS* technology * 1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi) * Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating * Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Sorry Paul, but I've changed hard drives and RAM (as have many of my non-computer-industry friends) on those exact models. I've changed them on ALL of the laptops I've had, both my own and many pre-prod units. Apple puts its own label on the drives they use as OEM and you might not find the part number for that OEM unit in a Hitachi or Western Digital list, but that doesn't mean the drive units are not industry standard equipment. I've changed out the drives in virtually ALL my systems (for larger ones) as it has always been less expensive to get a lot of disk space that way. On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:58 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-02-05 10:15 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I was deeply involved with Apple as an external developer from 1984 on and then worked for Apple from 1991, shortly after the first PowerBook introduction, to 2004. I sat in laptop development teams representing Developer Relations during the first decade of my involvement there. RAM and hard drives have *always* been user upgradeable, on all of them, although some have been easier to do the upgrade than others. i didn't work at Apple, but i have direct experience replacing hard drives with several of these models, and a lot of knowledge of Apple policies and hardware ... for laptop hard drives, what you say is only generally true for certain uncommon definitions of user upgradeable all of the g4 PowerBooks and the MacBooks Pro until the Unibody have had a deeply buried hard drive -- the vast majority of users would not feel comfortable with, and might well bungle, the replacement task; but yes, if it were accomplished carefully, it would not void the warranty, so that meets one definition of user replaceable in contrast, Apple has officially sanctioned the hard drive as user replaceable in the current Unibody units; the instructions are in the user guide (whereas for previous G4 and later laptops no public Apple instructions are available for hard drive replacements); if you have good touch with a fine Phillips screwdriver, you can replace the hard drive in a Unibodoy MacBook Pro in less than five minutes, though it still takes some care; it's at least 20 and more like an hour the first time with the older models comparison - three steps (numbers 5, 6, and 8 here) are all you need for the Unibody models: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/618/1#top versus the 15 steps here: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Core-2-Duo-Model-A1211-Hard-Drive-Replacement/459 They've always used industry standard components for these items too. yes and no; the hard drives always (still) have a custom label with an Apple logo on them, and the model number often doesn't exactly match what is commercially available, though the actual differences from standard components are miniscule because, of course, Apple does not make hard drives -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 9:39 AM, Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Sorry Paul, You mean, Sorry Steve:-) but I've changed hard drives and RAM (as have many of my non-computer-industry friends) on those exact models. I've changed them on ALL of the laptops I've had, both my own and many pre-prod units. Apple puts its own label on the drives they use as OEM and you might not find the part number for that OEM unit in a Hitachi or Western Digital list, but that doesn't mean the drive units are not industry standard equipment. I've changed out the drives in virtually ALL my systems (for larger ones) as it has always been less expensive to get a lot of disk space that way. I've changed drives in most of my Macs as well. It was more difficult on the powerbook G3, but not terribly so. The G4 chrome desktop was a bit tricky as well, and you helped me find instructions for thatt. But most of the time, it's been quite simple. Paul On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 9:58 PM, steve harley p...@paper-ape.com wrote: On 2010-02-05 10:15 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I was deeply involved with Apple as an external developer from 1984 on and then worked for Apple from 1991, shortly after the first PowerBook introduction, to 2004. I sat in laptop development teams representing Developer Relations during the first decade of my involvement there. RAM and hard drives have *always* been user upgradeable, on all of them, although some have been easier to do the upgrade than others. i didn't work at Apple, but i have direct experience replacing hard drives with several of these models, and a lot of knowledge of Apple policies and hardware ... for laptop hard drives, what you say is only generally true for certain uncommon definitions of user upgradeable all of the g4 PowerBooks and the MacBooks Pro until the Unibody have had a deeply buried hard drive -- the vast majority of users would not feel comfortable with, and might well bungle, the replacement task; but yes, if it were accomplished carefully, it would not void the warranty, so that meets one definition of user replaceable in contrast, Apple has officially sanctioned the hard drive as user replaceable in the current Unibody units; the instructions are in the user guide (whereas for previous G4 and later laptops no public Apple instructions are available for hard drive replacements); if you have good touch with a fine Phillips screwdriver, you can replace the hard drive in a Unibodoy MacBook Pro in less than five minutes, though it still takes some care; it's at least 20 and more like an hour the first time with the older models comparison - three steps (numbers 5, 6, and 8 here) are all you need for the Unibody models: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/618/1#top versus the 15 steps here: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Core-2-Duo-Model-A1211-Hard-Drive-Replacement/459 They've always used industry standard components for these items too. yes and no; the hard drives always (still) have a custom label with an Apple logo on them, and the model number often doesn't exactly match what is commercially available, though the actual differences from standard components are miniscule because, of course, Apple does not make hard drives -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-06 09:39 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: Sorry Paul, but I've changed hard drives and RAM (as have many of my non-computer-industry friends) on those exact models. I've changed them on ALL of the laptops I've had, both my own and many pre-prod units. Godfrey, i am not Paul, but i too have also changed an awful lot of hard drives and other parts in Macs, starting with the Mac II (the eMac was the worst, iirc); there are currently four different models of Apple laptops in my household and i've upgraded the hard drives and RAM in all of them, as well as a few that have flown the coop, and i've helped quite a few others through similar tasks; i am speaking carefully and from experience note the part where i wrote for certain definitions -- my distinction, as i may not have explained well, is that while yes of course the user _can_ replace the drives, and some of us feel comfortable with it, this is not a design feature of most recent (pre-Unibody) Apple laptop models; most users would not feel comfortable with the task, and perhaps most importantly, Apple does not sanction users replacing those hard drives; with the Unibody models, the policy and the design took a U-turn for the better ... beyond my direct appreciation of how it is to do that work (also visually explained via the links i shared), i also have some experience with Apple Support on the subject -- i got a 13 MacBook Pro last July and the hard drive soon failed; in order to test it and recover what data i could, i removed it and put it in an external enclosure; when i called Apple for warranty service, and explained that i'd removed the drive as part of confirming it had failed, the rep immediately denied my claim; i had to escalate and point out the passage in the user manual for that model which explicitly describes to the user how to replace the hard drive; my claim was then accepted with an explanation that the initial rep was applying the policy for older models Apple puts its own label on the drives they use as OEM and you might not find the part number for that OEM unit in a Hitachi or Western Digital list, but that doesn't mean the drive units are not industry standard equipment. I've changed out the drives in virtually ALL my systems (for larger ones) as it has always been less expensive to get a lot of disk space that way. again this boils down to a definition -- if the exact unit is not available for general purchase, but is very similar to available models (differs in model number, and might or might not differ in details like cache size or ROM), then is it industry standard? it is not literally off-the-shelf, but since the part works like and can be replaced by off-the-shelf items, yes, it is industry standard by some ways of thinking; to articulate this point, there was a time when one couldn't use Apple hard disk formatting tools with drives that didn't have an Apple ROM; to use non-Apple drives, one had to use a third-party formatter as well (not a huge obstacle, since these were readily available); this post-dates the Mac II by at least a bit, evidence here: http://macfaq.org/hardware/harddisk.shtml#Q2.2.2 similarly, with RAM, if you send a Mac in to Apple for service, and you've replaced Apple's RAM with some other brand, Apple might or might not remove the RAM and send it back to you in a baggie with an ambiguous note about how unsupported components weren't tested; i've avoided that experience myself, but have seen many others describe it; that doesn't mean that non-Apple RAM won't work, or that Apple RAM is non-standard, but it does by way of policy make Apple's modules a different part than what you can buy elsewhere -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-06 09:49 , P N Stenquist wrote: I've changed drives in most of my Macs as well. It was more difficult on the powerbook G3, but not terribly so. the G3 (at least the Pismo version) was hands-down the easiest Apple laptop to change a hard drive in; i've done a WallStreet too, and i think it was a little harder; the current Unibody models are almost as simple, but instead of popping a couple of tabs and lifting the keyboard you have to remove and keep track of ten tiny screws and remove the back of the case, then remove two more screws -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-05 03:50 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/4 Jim Kingjamesk8...@mac.com: Mark (and Jostein), things HAVE changed in the MacBook Pro lineup. All of the current offerings use an IPS screen with LED backlighting. Link to documentation of IPS? try wikipedia -- it's this cool site that explains things ;? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-05 10:22 , Martin Trautmann wrote: Some typical MBP displays are e.g. * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) * LTN133AT09 bingo ^^ (MacBook Pro 13 2.53 GHz, originally sold in June 2009) * LP154WP3-TLA1 * B154PW01 V0 Within MBP 13 there are dedicated color profiles: 9C8C (?) 9C9E (Samsung) 9C9F (LG-Philips) 9CA0 (Chi Mei) 9CA1 (?) 9CBD (LG-Philips) none of these appear on mine (perhaps because i've applied a custom profile) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Among other Apple laptops I have performed surgery on, I have swapped out the hard drive on a white iMac G3. Talk about an integrated system not designed for user upgrade! But iFixIt is a godsend, and the procedure can be done even by a semi-klutz like me. The most nervous I have ever been doing such upgrades was in upgrading my Mac+ from 1 to 4mb of RAM. The upgrade required cutting two wires that served as jumpers on the circuit board, and I rechecked the directions 10-15 times before I made the cuts! stan On Feb 6, 2010, at 12:39 PM, steve harley wrote: On 2010-02-06 09:49 , P N Stenquist wrote: I've changed drives in most of my Macs as well. It was more difficult on the powerbook G3, but not terribly so. the G3 (at least the Pismo version) was hands-down the easiest Apple laptop to change a hard drive in; i've done a WallStreet too, and i think it was a little harder; the current Unibody models are almost as simple, but instead of popping a couple of tabs and lifting the keyboard you have to remove and keep track of ten tiny screws and remove the back of the case, then remove two more screws -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 06.02.2010 14:07, schrieb steve harley: On 2010-02-05 10:33 , Martin Trautmann wrote: eSATA? for that you need the 17 MacBook Pro, or an older 15, there are ExpressCards that do eSATA seamlessless (no drivers) And if you don't want the 17 you are lost. fax modem? should you really need such a thing, Apple sells an external modem the size of a pack of gum for $30; Which one, where? AFAIK all are gone from the store. a while back i got one in a bag of stuff at a yard sale for $2 and got it for the sense of readiness it gives me (smile), though i have not used a modem for 5 years or so (sent one fax maybe three years ago, but used an online service) I needed one some weeks ago within vacation, no DSL, no WLAN, but just a phone line. And fax is still very common for many people. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 08:34:53PM +0100, Martin Trautmann wrote: fax modem? should you really need such a thing, Apple sells an external modem the size of a pack of gum for $30; Which one, where? AFAIK all are gone from the store. a while back i got one in a bag of stuff at a yard sale for $2 and got it for the sense of readiness it gives me (smile), though i have not used a modem for 5 years or so (sent one fax maybe three years ago, but used an online service) I needed one some weeks ago within vacation, no DSL, no WLAN, but just a phone line. And fax is still very common for many people. I do still have a modem on my work notebook, but I doubt if I'll ever use it. The last time I used one (on the previous machine) was at my mother's house, to get internet access (Virgin UK pay-as-you-go). But for my last trip I used a USB cellular modem. This meant I couldn't use it at the house - my mother lived in one of the few cellular dead spots left within 20 miles of London - but I could sit in the pub and get online. A couple of the local pubs even had wireless access points! Our recently-purchased home machine doesn't even have the modem. It would only have added $10 to the cost, but we just didn't see the point. Neither machine, though, has a floppy drive :-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/6 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: On 2010-02-05 03:50 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/4 Jim Kingjamesk8...@mac.com: Mark (and Jostein), things HAVE changed in the MacBook Pro lineup. All of the current offerings use an IPS screen with LED backlighting. Link to documentation of IPS? try wikipedia -- it's this cool site that explains things ;? Cheeky. Jim King got it right though. See his post. :-) Jostein Who's currently enjoying some S-IPS of nice cognac. or whatever... :-) -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/6 Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info: Among other Apple laptops I have performed surgery on, I have swapped out the hard drive on a white iMac G3. Talk about an integrated system not designed for user upgrade! But iFixIt is a godsend, and the procedure can be done even by a semi-klutz like me. The most nervous I have ever been doing such upgrades was in upgrading my Mac+ from 1 to 4mb of RAM. The upgrade required cutting two wires that served as jumpers on the circuit board, and I rechecked the directions 10-15 times before I made the cuts! stan Hardly a consolation, I guess, but I don't think other PC makers are much better than Apple in this respect... We bought a series of about 100 Fujitsu-Siemens desktop computers at work one year, which need about 30 minutes of effort each, just to upgrade the RAM... :-( Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Thanks Martin! Much appreciated. Jostein 2010/2/6 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: Am 06.02.2010 14:06, schrieb AlunFoto: 2010/2/6 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de: Thanks for the corection. But the iPad will have IPS... Source or bust. Watch the keynote. Or more easily: http://www.apple.com/ipad/specs/ Display * 9.7-inch (diagonal) LED-backlit glossy widescreen Multi-Touch display with *IPS* technology * 1024-by-768-pixel resolution at 132 pixels per inch (ppi) * Fingerprint-resistant oleophobic coating * Support for display of multiple languages and characters simultaneously - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 6, 2010, at 13:34, Martin Trautmann wrote: fax modem? should you really need such a thing, Apple sells an external modem the size of a pack of gum for $30; Which one, where? AFAIK all are gone from the store. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?complete=0hl=ensource=hpq=apple+usb+modemum=1ie=UTF-8cid=9832728713848179501ei=f91tS8uGF5O4M4K72dgEsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CBYQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I had an HP/Compaq 8230 that had a wonderful display. Just got a second-hand HP 8440, mainly for audio, and I'm quite happy with its 15,4 inch display. Guess it's just another TFT but the quality is really decent, especially after calibrating it with my Spyder 3. Ralf -- Ralf R. Radermacher - DL9KCG - Köln/Cologne, Germany Blog : http://the-real-fotoralf.blogspot.com Audio : http://aporee.org/maps/projects/fotoralf Web : http://www.fotoralf.de -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 06.02.2010 22:23, schrieb Charles Robinson: On Feb 6, 2010, at 13:34, Martin Trautmann wrote: fax modem? should you really need such a thing, Apple sells an external modem the size of a pack of gum for $30; Which one, where? AFAIK all are gone from the store. http://www.google.com/products/catalog?complete=0hl=ensource=hpq=apple+usb+modemum=1ie=UTF-8cid=9832728713848179501ei=f91tS8uGF5O4M4K72dgEsa=Xoi=product_catalog_resultct=resultresnum=3ved=0CBYQ8wIwAg#ps-sellers Thanks, so the price now is up to $40 or even $90, saving $2 for the former built-in option. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:47 PM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/2/6 Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info: Among other Apple laptops I have performed surgery on, I have swapped out the hard drive on a white iMac G3. Talk about an integrated system not designed for user upgrade! But iFixIt is a godsend, and the procedure can be done even by a semi-klutz like me. The most nervous I have ever been doing such upgrades was in upgrading my Mac+ from 1 to 4mb of RAM. The upgrade required cutting two wires that served as jumpers on the circuit board, and I rechecked the directions 10-15 times before I made the cuts! stan Hardly a consolation, I guess, but I don't think other PC makers are much better than Apple in this respect... We bought a series of about 100 Fujitsu-Siemens desktop computers at work one year, which need about 30 minutes of effort each, just to upgrade the RAM... :-( Jostein Both HP and IBM/Lenovo are. Drop a panel, pull the drive/RAM, swap in the replacements. IBM's Thinkpads have had the same basic easy HDD swap design since the early 90's. Of course, both are major corporate suppliers. That seems to be an indicator for ease of servicability in my experience. -Adam -- M. Adam Maas http://www.mawz.ca Explorations of the City Around Us. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-06 17:24 , Martin Trautmann wrote: Thanks, so the price now is up to $40 or even $90, saving $2 for the former built-in option. yeah i guess Apple sold too few to keep the product alive; i'd try eBay for a better price -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Sat, Feb 06, 2010 at 06:52:03PM -0500, Adam Maas wrote: On Sat, Feb 6, 2010 at 3:47 PM, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/2/6 Stan Halpin s...@stans-photography.info: Among other Apple laptops I have performed surgery on, I have swapped out the hard drive on a white iMac G3. Talk about an integrated system not designed for user upgrade! But iFixIt is a godsend, and the procedure can be done even by a semi-klutz like me. The most nervous I have ever been doing such upgrades was in upgrading my Mac+ from 1 to 4mb of RAM. The upgrade required cutting two wires that served as jumpers on the circuit board, and I rechecked the directions 10-15 times before I made the cuts! stan Hardly a consolation, I guess, but I don't think other PC makers are much better than Apple in this respect... We bought a series of about 100 Fujitsu-Siemens desktop computers at work one year, which need about 30 minutes of effort each, just to upgrade the RAM... :-( Jostein Both HP and IBM/Lenovo are. Drop a panel, pull the drive/RAM, swap in the replacements. IBM's Thinkpads have had the same basic easy HDD swap design since the early 90's. Of course, both are major corporate suppliers. That seems to be an indicator for ease of servicability in my experience. -Adam In all fairness, too, the original complaint was about older desktop computers, where you often had to remove half a dozen screws just to take off the outer shell (although HP got that down to a couple of hand-operable turnscrews fairly on in the process). My HP notebooks generally require maybe one screw to remove either the access panel or the drive assembly, so replacing or upgrading the RAM, hard drive(s) or optical drive is a simple end-user task. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 7, 2010, at 9:07 AM, John Francis wrote: The last time I used one (on the previous machine) was at my mother's house, to get internet access (Virgin UK pay-as-you-go). But for my last trip I used a USB cellular modem. We picked up one of those not long before Xmas as one of the big telcos was running a tempting promotion with a prepay service. I think we've been given more in compensation than we've spent using it. Their brand new network has experienced several major egg-on-the-face outages. But now when we travel I can connect without hunting for free wifi signals or paying extortionate rates to use private or hotel networks. We really are privileged in this city to have free wireless in the public libraries. Dave -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/4 Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com: Mark (and Jostein), things HAVE changed in the MacBook Pro lineup. All of the current offerings use an IPS screen with LED backlighting. Link to documentation of IPS? Please? Would love to know where Apple source those panels. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 steve harley p...@paper-ape.com: current Mac laptops reportedly have TN displays (if someone has a reference to confirm they are IPS i'd like to know), but Apple claims 60% wider gamut and implies all models have the same display quality; i can report real satisfaction with casual use of my 13 MacBook Pro display, but i plug it into an older 24 IPS display when i edit photos IIRC, Aplle is accused of faking the 60% claim by doing some clever colour mapping in software. Dunno the substance in those claims, unfortunately, but I guess such speculation arises because the sales pitch lingo is not backed by any easily accessible tech spec. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com: Sort of along the same vein, and a definite jab, for which I apologize, something I just wrote somewhere else on the net: If someone was standing in front of you, trying to slap your face repeatedly, hour after hour, day after day, year after year, would you just stand there? Yet you currently pay someone to stand between you and the deranged persons attacking you. Just one of the ways you would save money in the long run by getting a Macintosh! No one slapping, no one to pay to protect your face. Life is so much more pleasant. Why is it that Microsoft has been unable to write an OS for more than 20 years that has more fortitude than Windows does? I'll never understand it. Crazy love is what you got. Another definite jab which I too should apologise for: What a narrow-minded piece of drivel. Can we now go on? thanks, Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com: Sorry, but I need to correct myself - evidently I was thinking of the latest iMac displays, which are said to be IPS. I can't find any credible source to support my statement above that the MacBook Pro displays use IPS. They do use LED backlighting, however, and they are gorgeous, IMO. Bugger. You had my hopes high there for a while. LEDs are a Good Thing, though, no matter what panel is stacked before it. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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LG ( == Philips) is one of the major panel manufacturers. I just had a look into their catalogue, and in their current lineup there's only _one_ panel with 8 bit colour depth. A 17,1 widescreen. The panel technology is not specified, but the backlight is described as RGB LED where all the others are white LED. It has about 34% higher power consumption than the other 17,1 alternatives. Here's the webpage: http://www.lgdisplay.com/homeContain/jsp/eng/prd/prd300_j_e.jsp The panel model number is LP171WU5. It's not listed on the webpage, only in the PDF downloadable from the webpage. It's terribly difficult to figure out which panels are actually inside any particular laptop unless the maker states it as part of the specs. Which nearly noone does. :-( Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tanya Love wrote: Really? Well that shows how limited my Mac knowledge is, I always thought that you had to keep whatever you got with it! I didn't even know that you could upgrade the RAM and hard drive! Oh yes, you can do all that stuff now. The requirement that you get an Apple tattoo on your butt, however, has not changed. (Not that I expect that to deter *you*) ;-) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: It's terribly difficult to figure out which panels are actually inside any particular laptop unless the maker states it as part of the specs. Which nearly noone does. :-( That's what frustrated me into starting this thread. Most of Apple's desktop displays are LG/Philips, with Samsung making an occasional appearance. But I can't find out what kind of display is in anyone's laptop computer. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Most of Apple's desktop displays are LG/Philips, with Samsung making an occasional appearance. But I can't find out what kind of display is in anyone's laptop computer. Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. It was that story that made me browse for the display manufacturers directly. I know I checked LG/Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Acer and Sony. I also checked a few Taiwanese and Korean factories whose names I can't recall. I sort of gave up when I couldn't find _any_ 14-15 screens specifying either IPS/*VA panel technology or at least 8 bit colour depth. To my knowledge, the 17 panel I mentioned in another post is actually the only one with documented 8 bit colour depth. I spent my lunch break today trying to find laptops carrying this display, and the only one I found was HP's 8730w with DreamColor display option (at a horrible price...). Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Most of Apple's desktop displays are LG/Philips, with Samsung making an occasional appearance. But I can't find out what kind of display is in anyone's laptop computer. Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. The Apple iMac 20 was sold with both a Philips/LG TN panel and a Samsung S-PVA - *big* difference in quality between a TN and an S-PVA! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: The Apple iMac 20 was sold with both a Philips/LG TN panel and a Samsung S-PVA - *big* difference in quality between a TN and an S-PVA! If that's without informing the customer, it's pretty arrogant... :-( Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 06/02/2010, AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com wrote: 2010/2/5 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: The Apple iMac 20 was sold with both a Philips/LG TN panel and a Samsung S-PVA - *big* difference in quality between a TN and an S-PVA! If that's without informing the customer, it's pretty arrogant... :-( Regardless I bet customers owning either thought the sun shone out of their screens! -- Rob Studdert (Digital Image Studio) Tel: +61-418-166-870 UTC +10 Hours Gmail, eBay, Skype, Twitter, Facebook, Picasa: distudio -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.02.2010 14:33, schrieb AlunFoto: Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 What's your computer and what does ioreg name? - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Thu, Feb 4, 2010 at 9:41 PM, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: Really? Well that shows how limited my Mac knowledge is, I always thought that you had to keep whatever you got with it! I didn't even know that you could upgrade the RAM and hard drive! Me thinks I need to do lots more research! I was deeply involved with Apple as an external developer from 1984 on and then worked for Apple from 1991, shortly after the first PowerBook introduction, to 2004. I sat in laptop development teams representing Developer Relations during the first decade of my involvement there. RAM and hard drives have *always* been user upgradeable, on all of them, although some have been easier to do the upgrade than others. They've always used industry standard components for these items too. The same has been true for nearly all of the desktop systems since the first Macintosh II in 1987. The myth of non-upgradeability has to do with cpu and logic board upgrades. Apple had a couple of upgrade programs for these components during the '80s and '90s, but they turned out to not be cost effective for the customers (or for Apple). Their computing systems are designed with most everything people normally want to add as included, and the highly integrated design (from board design to case to components to operating system) means that when you want to upgrade something, you have to upgrade most everything. With other manufacturers' computing systems which were basically incomplete in their base configuration, upgradeability usually means 'adding the bits that you didn't get when you bought it'. Cpu and logic board upgrades usually mean basically replacing the entire component (logic board, cpu, clock, graphics card, drive adapter, etc) in what is a not-too-tightly-integrated box of bits, and then hoping that it all works and that you can find drivers that run it. They keep the boxes simple and basic because they don't put any time or money into integration, which lets them sell them cheap. They don't develop their own operating system or offer a suits of integrated software products either. Each approach has its plusses and minuses. Apple is the largest volume single computer vendor in the world, though, in the market space of personal computers, the largest single vendor of mobile computing devices (laptops, phones, music players together), and the only top to bottom integrated solution vendor in this space. By current sales, they're a $50+ Billion dollar company with massive profitability and growth, as well as $9-15 Billion in cash in the bank. Most of the innovative new things that have become de rigeur, a part of our everyday lives, across entire computing/communications/electronic landscape of modern living have either come directly out of Apple or were first adopted by Apple. To say their approach is unsuccessful is an obviously ridiculous assertion. Yes, I use Apple systems, been using them (along with many others) since 1983-4. They do what I need in a way I find satisfying and productive, and get in the way less of the time, for me. Their warts are warts I can live with more easily than the warts I find in other systems. Nothing's perfect. My goal is to do Photography, not to mess around with equipment. Equipment often gets in the way of Photography. Pick what gets in the way less of the time, for you, and accept what it does and doesn't do. Then do Photography. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.02.2010 16:12, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Am 05.02.2010 14:33, schrieb AlunFoto: Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 What's your computer and what does ioreg name? Some typical MBP displays are e.g. * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) * LTN133AT09 * LP154WP3-TLA1 * B154PW01 V0 Within MBP 13 there are dedicated color profiles: 9C8C (?) 9C9E (Samsung) 9C9F (LG-Philips) 9CA0 (Chi Mei) 9CA1 (?) 9CBD (LG-Philips) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.02.2010 16:15, schrieb Godfrey DiGiorgi: Yes, I use Apple systems, been using them (along with many others) since 1983-4. They do what I need in a way I find satisfying and productive, and get in the way less of the time, for me. Their warts are warts I can live with more easily than the warts I find in other systems. Nothing's perfect. Unfortunately their's a major lack of alternatives, once you are addicted to OSX. matte 13 screen? firewire? express card slot? eSATA? fax modem? Once in a while Apple does react on furious feedback (returning the firewire port on some models), while you don't have any alternative as long as there's no matching MacBook around. You may add some stuff via USB (or one of the many expensive display adapters), but you don't have any choice for other models, as long as you don't use hackintosh - and most of the times the OSX86 models lack some essential functions afterwards. Waiting for a usable Mac-Pad or at least a reasonable MBP upgrade this month. My iBook fell back to the C-clamp serial error, which is not considered as a design flaw by apple, and does require resoldering about every 6 months. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Interesting. Terminal says the display on my iMac 24 (previous generation to the current iMac) is LM240WU2-SLB2 Color LCD Don't know what that means, but I suspect it can be translated. Paul On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:22 AM, Martin Trautmann wrote: Am 05.02.2010 16:12, schrieb Martin Trautmann: Am 05.02.2010 14:33, schrieb AlunFoto: Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 What's your computer and what does ioreg name? Some typical MBP displays are e.g. * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) * LTN133AT09 * LP154WP3-TLA1 * B154PW01 V0 Within MBP 13 there are dedicated color profiles: 9C8C (?) 9C9E (Samsung) 9C9F (LG-Philips) 9CA0 (Chi Mei) 9CA1 (?) 9CBD (LG-Philips) -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Feb 5, 2010 at 7:33 AM, Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de wrote: Unfortunately their's a major lack of alternatives, once you are addicted to OSX. Being addicted to anything is a bad idea matte 13 screen? Don't care. As stated prior, I see no point to worrying about a fancy laptop screen, and particularly not a 13 teensy one. firewire? There in the MacBook Pro 13 express card slot? don't care. Never used one, have no need for one. SDHC slot is there. eSATA? don't care, don't own any eSATA devices. FW 800 is fine. fax modem? Haven't used a laptop modem in 8 or 9 years. FAXes are received by a service and transferred digitally, wirelessly as PDF files. My outgoing faxes are sent through a service from JPEG or PDF originals. You may add some stuff via USB (or one of the many expensive display adapters) $19 for the DVI video adapter cable for my desktop monitor. The MBP13 will drive an excellent 30 desktop monitor. I don't call that expensive. As I said, it doesn't get in the way *for me.* If it gets in the way *for you*, buy something else. Don't be addicted to anything. Buy what works. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: Some typical MBP displays are e.g. * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) * LTN133AT09 * LP154WP3-TLA1 * B154PW01 V0 So tell us, Martin! Are they 6 bit TN panels or something decent? Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? Yeah. That's a Quotes List candidate for sure! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 AlunFoto alunf...@gmail.com: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? Duh. Hit send too early in my giggling. I mean, it's a nice thing that it's actually possible to extract such information, but easily in this context was very funny to me... It would be great if someone with a 15 or 17 macbook pro would do that magic on their boxes. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.02.2010 19:09, schrieb AlunFoto: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? ioreg is easy to type, but difficult to understand. Copy/paste of a line should be easy enough. However, and of course, there are guis which do exactly the same but may show you the result in another font and order more nicely. I feel it's easier than to take the computer apart in order to find the model inside. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:09 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? I did it. If I can do it, anyone can do it:-). Paul Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: I feel it's easier than to take the computer apart in order to find the model inside. :-) And not to mention less destructive to the unit. Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 paul stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: I did it. If I can do it, anyone can do it:-). Well I can't. Don't have a mac handy. :-) Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.02.2010 19:11, schrieb AlunFoto: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de: Some typical MBP displays are e.g. * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) * LTN133AT09 * LP154WP3-TLA1 * B154PW01 V0 So tell us, Martin! Are they 6 bit TN panels or something decent? You might google this easily. However, I guess that they are all TN, first of all considering my personal experience: when you open and close the lid more or less, the colors do change significantly. Second, I guess that Apple would advertise it if it was the better quality. - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Okay, I did some googling myself. :-) 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: * B133EW07 V1 (AUO) This one is apparently produced in Taiwan by http://www.auo.com . The panel model doesn't feature on their products page, but all the listed laptop screens are specified as TN panels. I checked both the 13, 15 and 17 models. So unless it's a very special and secret deal with Apple only, it's not likely to be anything but TN. * LTN133AT09 A Samsung panel. Specifications at Samsung website given only for part of the model number. I assume it means that the two last digits mean minor differences. TN panel. Maybe not surprising since the letters are part of the model name. http://www.samsung.com/global/business/lcdpanel/productInfo.do?fmly_id=611partnum=LTN133AT * LP154WP3-TLA1 An LG model, not a current one, but all its siblings are TN. http://www.lgdisplay.com/homeContain/jsp/eng/prd/prd300_j_e.jsp * B154PW01 V0 Another AUO model, also TN. It's a 15 panel, though, so if a 13 laptop reports that, I'd be very skeptical... -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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paul stenquist wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:09 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? I did it. If I can do it, anyone can do it:-). Oh yeah? Get Dave Brooks to type that in accurately and I'll believe anyone can do it! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: paul stenquist wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:09 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? I did it. If I can do it, anyone can do it:-). Oh yeah? Get Dave Brooks to type that in accurately and I'll believe anyone can do it! I copied and pasted it. Dave can do that:-). Paul -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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2010/2/5 P N Stenquist pnstenqu...@comcast.net: On Feb 5, 2010, at 3:23 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: paul stenquist wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:09 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? I did it. If I can do it, anyone can do it:-). Oh yeah? Get Dave Brooks to type that in accurately and I'll believe anyone can do it! I copied and pasted it. Dave can do that:-). Having dabbled with both grep and sed in their Windows incarnations, the expression was very amusing to me. Mostly because it requires a very intimate knowledge of what goes on under the hood in the Mac OS, and of how RegEx works. It's hardly an expression one can concoct from just looking at some beginner's tutorial... :-) While googling the display model numbers turned up by Martin, I noticed that the ioreg expression is posted around many mac user forums, in every language I'm able to guesscipher without assistance from translation robots. Panel substitution seems to be more of an issue for Mac users than I ever imagined. It seems to be at least on par with what Dell has been doing. It may be because of Apple's position, as Godfrey explained. With their kind of production volume, it makes sense to spread risk by having multiple suppliers for the parts. I wouldn't be surprised if they did the same with eg. hard drives and RAM. But it still sucks not to inform the customer. -And that goes for Dell just as much as for Apple, of course. Btw, I had an insider help me order my Dell to increase the likelihood of getting the best available panel for the model. but I still don't know for sure whether it turned out lucky... :-( Jostein -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 07:58:56AM -0500, Mark Roberts scripsit: Most of Apple's desktop displays are LG/Philips, with Samsung making an occasional appearance. But I can't find out what kind of display is in anyone's laptop computer. It's profoundly unlikely to be the same display in ever instance of a particular model in any case. Part substitution on that level is pretty solidly widespread. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Graydon wrote: On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 07:58:56AM -0500, Mark Roberts scripsit: Most of Apple's desktop displays are LG/Philips, with Samsung making an occasional appearance. But I can't find out what kind of display is in anyone's laptop computer. It's profoundly unlikely to be the same display in ever instance of a particular model in any case. Part substitution on that level is pretty solidly widespread. Part substitution is certainly widespread, but one shouldn't substitute a TN panel for an IPS, MVA or PVA! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 05:16:21PM -0500, Mark Roberts scripsit: Graydon wrote: On Fri, Feb 05, 2010 at 07:58:56AM -0500, Mark Roberts scripsit: Most of Apple's desktop displays are LG/Philips, with Samsung making an occasional appearance. But I can't find out what kind of display is in anyone's laptop computer. It's profoundly unlikely to be the same display in ever instance of a particular model in any case. Part substitution on that level is pretty solidly widespread. Part substitution is certainly widespread, but one shouldn't substitute a TN panel for an IPS, MVA or PVA! The folks doing the substitution are doing it on the basis of a very limited spec -- can it display this many distinct colours? -- and cost, not image quality. Typical supplier contracts will mandate 50% unit price reduction over the 6 month span of the contract. Last I checked, guaranteed image quality flat panel displays were two orders of magnitude more expensive than the stuff going into consumer laptops. -- Graydon -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:12, Martin Trautmann wrote: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 LP133WX1-TLA1 Color LCD I've got a 13 Macbook (late 2007 I think is the version...) But I've no idea what that means. I guess (sez Google) it's an LG! -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:35 PM, Charles Robinson wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 9:12, Martin Trautmann wrote: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 LP133WX1-TLA1 Color LCD I've got a 13 Macbook (late 2007 I think is the version...) But I've no idea what that means. I guess (sez Google) it's an LG! -Charles I have a 13 inch Macbook, early 2009. It comes up as: LTN133AT09 Color LCD According to the web it's an LG Phillips screen, branded Samsung. Gets good reviews. I like it. But I don't use the laptop for photo work unless I have to. Paul -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-05 04:09 , AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Jim Kingjamesk8...@mac.com: Sorry, but I need to correct myself - evidently I was thinking of the latest iMac displays, which are said to be IPS. I can't find any credible source to support my statement above that the MacBook Pro displays use IPS. They do use LED backlighting, however, and they are gorgeous, IMO. Bugger. You had my hopes high there for a while. LEDs are a Good Thing, though, no matter what panel is stacked before it. they are still very good displays, as TN display go; and yes, LED is good, but for the most part the only quality advantage of LEDs is that they don't fade over the years the way fluorescent backlights do; the earlier generation of LED backlights in MacBook Pros even had some consistency problems, but i think the current generation have really got it right -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 07:12 , Martin Trautmann wrote: Am 05.02.2010 14:33, schrieb AlunFoto: Apparently, some of the more obsessed laptop geeks have a habit of picking their machines apart to find model numbers printed on the display assembly. That's how Dell was caught sourcing different displays in some laptop models at different production runs. You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 What's your computer and what does ioreg name? 2007 Macbook = LP133WX1-TLA1 2008 iMac = LM240WU2-SLB1 Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and The eyesight to tell the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 10:17 , Mark Roberts wrote: AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? Yeah. That's a Quotes List candidate for sure! Hellava lot easier than removing the screen to find where the ID was printed! :-) Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com THE SENILITY PRAYER : Grant me the senility to forget the people I never liked anyway, The good fortune to run into the ones I do, and The eyesight to tell the difference. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Seems to be a regular expression, any Unix Geek should be able to write
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2010/2/5 Martin Trautmanntr...@gmx.de:
You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and
enter:
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ROTFLMAO.
easily, eh?
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On Feb 5, 2010, at 12:23 , Mark Roberts wrote: paul stenquist wrote: On Feb 5, 2010, at 1:09 PM, AlunFoto wrote: 2010/2/5 Martin Trautmann tr...@gmx.de: You may obtain this info easily for the Mac. Just open the terminal and enter: ioreg -lw0 | grep IODisplayEDID | sed /[^]*/s/// | xxd -p -r | strings -6 ROTFLMAO. easily, eh? I did it. If I can do it, anyone can do it:-). Oh yeah? Get Dave Brooks to type that in accurately and I'll believe anyone can do it! Copy Paste on the iMac 24, but I typed it into my White 13 MP without an error. The trick is to use the cursor on the other machine and move it along to make sure where there are spaces, or not. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com “ It is still true, as was first said many years ago, that people are the only sophisticated computing devices that can be made at low cost by unskilled workers!” — Martin G. Wolf, PhD -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-05 10:15 , Godfrey DiGiorgi wrote: I was deeply involved with Apple as an external developer from 1984 on and then worked for Apple from 1991, shortly after the first PowerBook introduction, to 2004. I sat in laptop development teams representing Developer Relations during the first decade of my involvement there. RAM and hard drives have *always* been user upgradeable, on all of them, although some have been easier to do the upgrade than others. i didn't work at Apple, but i have direct experience replacing hard drives with several of these models, and a lot of knowledge of Apple policies and hardware ... for laptop hard drives, what you say is only generally true for certain uncommon definitions of user upgradeable all of the g4 PowerBooks and the MacBooks Pro until the Unibody have had a deeply buried hard drive -- the vast majority of users would not feel comfortable with, and might well bungle, the replacement task; but yes, if it were accomplished carefully, it would not void the warranty, so that meets one definition of user replaceable in contrast, Apple has officially sanctioned the hard drive as user replaceable in the current Unibody units; the instructions are in the user guide (whereas for previous G4 and later laptops no public Apple instructions are available for hard drive replacements); if you have good touch with a fine Phillips screwdriver, you can replace the hard drive in a Unibodoy MacBook Pro in less than five minutes, though it still takes some care; it's at least 20 and more like an hour the first time with the older models comparison - three steps (numbers 5, 6, and 8 here) are all you need for the Unibody models: http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/MacBook-Pro-17-Inch-Unibody-Teardown/618/1#top versus the 15 steps here: http://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Repair/Installing-MacBook-Pro-15-Inch-Core-2-Duo-Model-A1211-Hard-Drive-Replacement/459 They've always used industry standard components for these items too. yes and no; the hard drives always (still) have a custom label with an Apple logo on them, and the model number often doesn't exactly match what is commercially available, though the actual differences from standard components are miniscule because, of course, Apple does not make hard drives -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Am 05.02.2010 05:01, schrieb Jim King: Sorry, but I need to correct myself - evidently I was thinking of the latest iMac displays, which are said to be IPS. I can't find any credible source to support my statement above that the MacBook Pro displays use IPS. Thanks for the corection. But the iPad will have IPS... - Martin -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Tanya, If you want a Mac, go for it. My MacBook Pro gets along just fine with the Windows-oriented network at work, and I've traveled with it to friends' houses with all-PC networks and not had any problems. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com wrote: From: Tanya Love tanyal...@bigpond.com Subject: RE: Laptop computers with good displays? To: 'Pentax-Discuss Mail List' pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 10:33 PM I'd love to hear thoughts on this too! Just got myself sorted with my K-7, now I need a new lappy to keep up with the higher res images! ;) Been considering switching to Mac but don't think I'm going to as that would make things hard with software and networking the other 'puters in the house etc. I too don't want a big display, makes it much too heavy and won't fit in my awesome Crumpler backpack! I will do most editing on an external monitor, but even so would like a decent one on my laptop too. Has anyone got any experience with the Dell Precision 6400 that was in Advanced Photoshop magazine? It is here: http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/workstation-pre cision-m6400-cov?c=aucs=aubsd1l=ens=bsd That thing is a MONSTER! Oh, how I DREAM about something like that! BUT, alas, my meagre budget is only about half of the $5699 asking price, so I'll probably end up with another HP... :( Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:11 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Laptop computers with good displays? Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4833 (20100203) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Cool! The lack of viruses is certainly appealing too. I am thinking that I would go for the 15 MacBook Pro, it's just that I haven't used a Mac since highschool and although I know the user interface is so easy to work with, I worry that I am not going to have the time to retrain myself on it, iykwim? The other thing that sucks with them is that they are near impossible to upgrade... Decisions, decisions! Lol. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rick Womer Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:09 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: RE: Laptop computers with good displays? Tanya, If you want a Mac, go for it. My MacBook Pro gets along just fine with the Windows-oriented network at work, and I've traveled with it to friends' houses with all-PC networks and not had any problems. Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2/3/2010 10:00 PM, Doug Brewer wrote: Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... time for an iPad Rabblerouser...! -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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From: Doug Brewer Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... time for an iPad Please don't do that while I'm still trying to get my first cup of coffee in the morning. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Something an old boss of mine taught me was to be wary of the 'Grass is greener on the other side' syndrome. If you are happy with the PC world, then what is the incentive to move to a Mac? If that world were as wonderful as it is made out to be, the marketshare percentage would be much higher. If you spend equivalent money, you can get quite an amazing system, or you could spend about half the money for a fairly equivalent system. -- Best regards, Bruce Thursday, February 4, 2010, 5:17:05 AM, you wrote: TL Cool! The lack of viruses is certainly appealing too. I am thinking that I TL would go for the 15 MacBook Pro, it's just that I haven't used a Mac since TL highschool and although I know the user interface is so easy to work with, I TL worry that I am not going to have the time to retrain myself on it, iykwim? TL The other thing that sucks with them is that they are near impossible to TL upgrade... TL Decisions, decisions! Lol. TL -Original Message- TL From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Rick TL Womer TL Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 10:09 PM TL To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List TL Subject: RE: Laptop computers with good displays? TL Tanya, TL If you want a Mac, go for it. My MacBook Pro gets along just fine with the TL Windows-oriented network at work, and I've traveled with it to friends' TL houses with all-PC networks and not had any problems. TL Rick TL http://photo.net/photos/RickW -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark, Sorry, somebody might have responded with this information already - I am short on time to read the entire thread at the moment. Fujitsu laptops in general tend to have good quality screens. I never researched the type of the LCDs. If you are looking for ultraportable line (comparable in size to netbooks but with a proper CPU capabilities, - you should look at P series. S series is somewhat larger/heavier, but still very reasonable. (they also have desktop-alternative versions, - but I don't know much about those) You might find discussions about Fujitsu models on leog.net forums useful. AS for P series, - I've had my P5020D for over 6 years now, and I love it. 10.8, ~3.6 lbs. P7K series was also good. Some people like P8K family less, but I think it's a matter of preference. There are two new models P8210 and something else that haven't reached US market yet. I am waiting for them to upgrade my P5K. There is a claim that until P8120 all P-series laptops were produced by Fujitsu itself (as opposed to OEM, as it is done by many laptop manufacturers these days, - especially in case of cheap netbooks). P8210 is expected to be the first OEM-produced, but again, the claim is that Fujitsu has very tight control over the OEM. (Well, Fujitsu is itself an OEM, - so it sounds weird, - but that's the common usage when OEM is used as non-brand-name company.) HTH, Igor Wed Feb 3 20:11:07 CST 2010 Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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AlunFoto wrote on Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:45:02 -0800: Mark, I researched this extensively a year ago before buying a laptop myself. My conclusion then was that no laptops with smaller than 17 screen has any of the higher quality panel types. That also included the offerings from Apple. (snip) Anyway, things may have changed in the past year. From experience I strongly recommend you find one with LED backlighting whatever you do. LED has more even illumination towards the corners, does not require warm-up before colour rendition is stable, and consumes less power than do CCFL. However if you find you have to go with a CCFL based screen because of other model specifications, make sure you find one with at least two tubes to get decent brightness. The recent Lenovos like W400 for example, have rather weak illumination. Mark (and Jostein), things HAVE changed in the MacBook Pro lineup. All of the current offerings use an IPS screen with LED backlighting. I got a 15 incher at Chrstmas as a present for myself, and it's gorgeous! You can get either a glossy screen or a matte screen ($50 upcharge) as you prefer. Do yourself a favor and take a look at the Mac Book Pro before you decide what to buy. Regards, Jim “Worry never robs tomorrow of its sorrow, it only saps today of its joy.” - Leo Buscaglia -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 7:17, Tanya Love wrote: Cool! The lack of viruses is certainly appealing too. I am thinking that I would go for the 15 MacBook Pro, it's just that I haven't used a Mac since highschool and although I know the user interface is so easy to work with, I worry that I am not going to have the time to retrain myself on it, iykwim? Takes a couple weeks to settle in. If you've used a Mac before it may be even less. That was pretty much my figure it out period when I made the jump 4 years ago. The other thing that sucks with them is that they are near impossible to upgrade... Bigger harddrive, more RAM are much much easier to accomplish now than in the past. At least - my white plastic Macbook makes it easier than any other laptop I've ever used before. -Charles -- Charles Robinson - charl...@visi.com Minneapolis, MN http://charles.robinsontwins.org http://www.facebook.com/charles.robinson -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-03 19:11 , Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? current Mac laptops reportedly have TN displays (if someone has a reference to confirm they are IPS i'd like to know), but Apple claims 60% wider gamut and implies all models have the same display quality; i can report real satisfaction with casual use of my 13 MacBook Pro display, but i plug it into an older 24 IPS display when i edit photos the glossy display bugs me, but i've gotten over it; would definitely have gotten matte if it were available on the 13, but the portability (typing this on an airplane) and modest price (for a Mac) has won me over -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On 2010-02-04 06:17 , Tanya Love wrote: Cool! The lack of viruses is certainly appealing too. I am thinking that I would go for the 15 MacBook Pro, it's just that I haven't used a Mac since highschool and although I know the user interface is so easy to work with, I worry that I am not going to have the time to retrain myself on it, iykwim? The other thing that sucks with them is that they are near impossible to upgrade... the current MacBook Pros have user-replacable hard drives and RAM (and can accept up to 8GB RAM); most of the other things people typically want are built-in, except for Express Card, which is now only on the 17 -- what upgrades would you want to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Jim King wrote on Thu, 04 Feb 2010 13:05:07 -0800 Mark (and Jostein), things HAVE changed in the MacBook Pro lineup. All of the current offerings use an IPS screen with LED backlighting. I got a 15 incher at Chrstmas as a present for myself, and it's gorgeous! You can get either a glossy screen or a matte screen ($50 upcharge) as you prefer. Do yourself a favor and take a look at the Mac Book Pro before you decide what to buy. Sorry, but I need to correct myself - evidently I was thinking of the latest iMac displays, which are said to be IPS. I can't find any credible source to support my statement above that the MacBook Pro displays use IPS. They do use LED backlighting, however, and they are gorgeous, IMO. Regards, Jim “Worry never robs tomorrow of its sorrow, it only saps today of its joy.” - Leo Buscaglia Jim King jamesk8...@mac.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Really? Well that shows how limited my Mac knowledge is, I always thought that you had to keep whatever you got with it! I didn't even know that you could upgrade the RAM and hard drive! Me thinks I need to do lots more research! -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of steve harley Sent: Friday, 5 February 2010 9:35 AM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Laptop computers with good displays? On 2010-02-04 06:17 , Tanya Love wrote: Cool! The lack of viruses is certainly appealing too. I am thinking that I would go for the 15 MacBook Pro, it's just that I haven't used a Mac since highschool and although I know the user interface is so easy to work with, I worry that I am not going to have the time to retrain myself on it, iykwim? The other thing that sucks with them is that they are near impossible to upgrade... the current MacBook Pros have user-replacable hard drives and RAM (and can accept up to 8GB RAM); most of the other things people typically want are built-in, except for Express Card, which is now only on the 17 -- what upgrades would you want to do? -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4836 (20100204) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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On Feb 4, 2010, at 13:04 , Jim King wrote: AlunFoto wrote on Wed, 03 Feb 2010 21:45:02 -0800: Mark, I researched this extensively a year ago before buying a laptop myself. My conclusion then was that no laptops with smaller than 17 screen has any of the higher quality panel types. That also included the offerings from Apple. (snip) Anyway, things may have changed in the past year. From experience I strongly recommend you find one with LED backlighting whatever you do. LED has more even illumination towards the corners, does not require warm-up before colour rendition is stable, and consumes less power than do CCFL. However if you find you have to go with a CCFL based screen because of other model specifications, make sure you find one with at least two tubes to get decent brightness. The recent Lenovos like W400 for example, have rather weak illumination. Mark (and Jostein), things HAVE changed in the MacBook Pro lineup. All of the current offerings use an IPS screen with LED backlighting. I got a 15 incher at Chrstmas as a present for myself, and it's gorgeous! You can get either a glossy screen or a matte screen ($50 upcharge) as you prefer. Do yourself a favor and take a look at the Mac Book Pro before you decide what to buy. Sort of along the same vein, and a definite jab, for which I apologize, something I just wrote somewhere else on the net: If someone was standing in front of you, trying to slap your face repeatedly, hour after hour, day after day, year after year, would you just stand there? Yet you currently pay someone to stand between you and the deranged persons attacking you. Just one of the ways you would save money in the long run by getting a Macintosh! No one slapping, no one to pay to protect your face. Life is so much more pleasant. Why is it that Microsoft has been unable to write an OS for more than 20 years that has more fortitude than Windows does? I'll never understand it. Crazy love is what you got. Joseph McAllister pentax...@mac.com http://gallery.me.com/jomac http://web.me.com/jomac/show.me/Blog/Blog.html -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had an HP/Compaq 8230 that had a wonderful display. Pity the thing died at 3.3 years into its 3 year warranty, because of a motherboard failure. See this article and its links for a very thorough review of several laptops: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10042-10218 Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Laptop computers with good displays? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:11 PM Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Power supply most likely which should usually be not too expensive. Sorry can't recommend a cheap laptop at the moment. I've got a 17 HP and next time may go with a 13 or smaller (not a netbook), because I'm tired of lugging 10 pounds + 20 pounds of bag, paper, cords, drives, etc. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 9:11 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Old ibm think pads (now lenovo) had great s-ips displays. It was called flexview. --Sasha On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:28 PM, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I had an HP/Compaq 8230 that had a wonderful display. Pity the thing died at 3.3 years into its 3 year warranty, because of a motherboard failure. See this article and its links for a very thorough review of several laptops: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10042-10218 Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Laptop computers with good displays? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:11 PM Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I believe the new Macbook 15 inchers have high quality displays. I believe they added the 15s to the mix this year. Previously, only the 17s had the high end displays. Paul On Feb 3, 2010, at 9:11 PM, Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Here's the key link from a previous Rob Galbraith article: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/multi_page.asp?cid=7-9320-9876 Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Rick Womer rwomer1...@yahoo.com wrote: I had an HP/Compaq 8230 that had a wonderful display. Pity the thing died at 3.3 years into its 3 year warranty, because of a motherboard failure. See this article and its links for a very thorough review of several laptops: http://www.robgalbraith.com/bins/content_page.asp?cid=7-10042-10218 Rick http://photo.net/photos/RickW --- On Wed, 2/3/10, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: From: Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com Subject: Laptop computers with good displays? To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List pdml@pdml.net Date: Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 9:11 PM Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I'd love to hear thoughts on this too! Just got myself sorted with my K-7, now I need a new lappy to keep up with the higher res images! ;) Been considering switching to Mac but don't think I'm going to as that would make things hard with software and networking the other 'puters in the house etc. I too don't want a big display, makes it much too heavy and won't fit in my awesome Crumpler backpack! I will do most editing on an external monitor, but even so would like a decent one on my laptop too. Has anyone got any experience with the Dell Precision 6400 that was in Advanced Photoshop magazine? It is here: http://www1.ap.dell.com/content/products/productdetails.aspx/workstation-pre cision-m6400-cov?c=aucs=aubsd1l=ens=bsd That thing is a MONSTER! Oh, how I DREAM about something like that! BUT, alas, my meagre budget is only about half of the $5699 asking price, so I'll probably end up with another HP... :( Tan. -Original Message- From: pdml-boun...@pdml.net [mailto:pdml-boun...@pdml.net] On Behalf Of Mark Roberts Sent: Thursday, 4 February 2010 12:11 PM To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Laptop computers with good displays? Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. __ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of virus signature database 4833 (20100203) __ The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. http://www.eset.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Hello Mark, In the PC world, Fujitsu laptops have been known for high quality displays. Something you should check in to. -- Best regards, Bruce Wednesday, February 3, 2010, 6:11:07 PM, you wrote: MR Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? MR Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any MR high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than MR that if possible. MR My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, MR so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not MR a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an MR expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, MR I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... time for an iPad -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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I had that very thought. It would look good but I wonder what its like to work on it. --Original Message-- From: Doug Brewer Sender: pdml-boun...@pdml.net To: Pentax-Discuss Mail List ReplyTo: Pentax-Discuss Mail List Subject: Re: Laptop computers with good displays? Sent: Feb 3, 2010 11:00 PM Mark Roberts wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... time for an iPad -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. Steve Desjardins -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
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Mark, I researched this extensively a year ago before buying a laptop myself. My conclusion then was that no laptops with smaller than 17 screen has any of the higher quality panel types. That also included the offerings from Apple. The IPS-based FlexView series of screens from IBM/Lenovo ended with the T60 model. After researching the available panel types of all the screen mfg.s I could find a website for, I believe there are probably no reputable makers of high-quality panels in small sizes anymore. It looks like they are all waiting for OLED to happen, and in the meanwhile compete over TN panels with the least power consumption rather than colour accuracy. Even in the = 17 segment, I found only 4 laptops _claiming_ superior colour rendition; Dell precision 6400, Apple's 17 macbook, Lenovo's monster ThinkPad W700 (you'll need one heck of a lap to insist on it being a laptop), and HP EliteBook 8730w. I could find no in-depth information on the Apple, but the others appear to have PVA panels. Dell source their panels from different vendors all the time, and there are many reports of Dell screens with same model number but different panel types depending on availability at the moment of production. I found no direct reference to the Presicion 6400 in particular, though. I also found out that most glare-free laptop screens are actually glossy screens with a sheet of matting foil on top. My impression is that opting for a matte screen reduce reflections, but at the same time trade higher translucency for a smaller viewing angle. IOW, not really a good bargain. Anyway, things may have changed in the past year. From experience I strongly recommend you find one with LED backlighting whatever you do. LED has more even illumination towards the corners, does not require warm-up before colour rendition is stable, and consumes less power than do CCFL. However if you find you have to go with a CCFL based screen because of other model specifications, make sure you find one with at least two tubes to get decent brightness. The recent Lenovos like W400 for example, have rather weak illumination. Personally I ended up buying a Dell Precision 2400 (14 1440x900px matted LED-lit screen) which is no more than half-decent when calibrated. But it has a weight and bulk I can live with. hth, Jostein 2010/2/4 Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- http://www.alunfoto.no/galleri/ http://alunfoto.blogspot.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
Re: Laptop computers with good displays?
IMO, no laptop screen regardless of computer brand or screen size is truly worthwhile for real image processing work. Only for quick and dirty roughing in. That said, the matte screens Apple's been using are pretty good and calibrate well. Glossy screens ... well, I dislike them but for what I use a laptop screen for, it doesn't really seem to matter much. My current (now ancient) PowerBook G4 15 works well enough for my needs, the new MacBook Pro 13 and 15 models are what I'll buy next. For any real image adjustment work, I'll connect any laptop with a suitably high quality graphics adapter to a good quality desktop display, and calibrate that. Any laptop without a suitably high quality graphics adapter isn't worth buying for image processing work. On Wed, Feb 3, 2010 at 6:11 PM, Mark Roberts m...@robertstech.com wrote: Anyone know of any laptop computers with good (IPS/MVA/PVA) displays? Particularly any reasonably sized ones? Last I heard there weren't any high quality displays under 17 and I'd prefer something smaller than that if possible. My current laptop just died. It's a total nothing lights up failure, so I have a sneaking suspicion that it's something very basic and not a prohibitively expensive fix. But if fate does bless me with an expensive repair that justifies ditching it and buying a new computer, I'd like to be prepared... -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions. -- Godfrey godfreydigiorgi.posterous.com -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
