Re: Dixie Chicks Article in Dallas Observer
Jon W. wrote; he's just a flat out liar, as anyone who's read, for instance, the current Country Music magazine piece on the Chicks (a full page on the band's history - with quotes about it from Seidel - including a their first three album titles, with combined sales figures) can attest. A mean-spirited, chuckle-headed, lying asshole. PFlash wrote; geez, but how do you really feelwhat's up with such completely "mean-spirited" attacks on critics that for some reason are not liked what a waste of time... Well, it's not a waste of time IMHO when the points Jon and Cheryl and others on this list have been making about the chronic historical, logical, and cultural fallacies too many pop writers engage in when they attempt to write about country and bluegrass all come home to roost so malevolently in the space of one (or I guess two) pieces. Those two pieces were so chock-full of erroneous info, barely-hidden class-contempt and generalized bullshit they stand as their own refutations to anyone with enough sense to know better. Hell, I don't like Natalie Maines either, also think that the Chicks looked silly in their Grammy outfits (as most folks do) and am not a big fan of their music in general, but reading those 2 pieces of sickeningly self-referential "typing" had my jaw on the floor damn-near, and I've been reading Wilonsky's dreck for a long time now (and can take whatever worthless credit due for warning this list about him probably 2 years ago-he's an absolute charlatan of the highest order.) My big fear is that there's a pretty good sense of how revolting that sort of "journalism" is here with many of the writers who hang out on P2, but not much if any awareness at all in the larger world of pop ink-stainers. Frankly, I think it's high time someone did a generalized yet lengthy piece in No Depression or Country Standard Time on "How Not To Write Country Music" or "20 Biggest Mistakes Most Pop Writers Make re Country Music" (or whatever the hell Cheryl's list is titled g). Hell, even the next time the Oxford American does their Southern Music Issue-in fact *that* would be the ideal venue for it probably, and I can think of at least few suspects hereabouts who could probably do a decent job on it. I'm sorry, but it is high time that pop and rock writers got taken to the stocks and read the riot act over this in some sort of public forum. offtabed, dan bentele "They wanted it so bad that they forged ahead, playing every gig like a showcase and proving again and again that there's nothing less attractive than unrequited ambition with a banjo backing." (Michael Corcoran) "There was just something endearing about women honoring Patsy Montana and Bill Monroe like anyone still gave a damn." (Robert Wilonsky)
Re: Updates
Anyways, I'm off to see the local excuse for a Western Swing band, and actually they don't suck too bad at all. See you all later. Tom Ekeberg Oslo, Norway I have to inform you that the "excuse" Tom is talking about is named 5:56 and just recently recorded an album of (non alternative) western swing at Athletic Sound in Halden (my hometown) and are more than capable. Actually they are great! They really CAN play and just last Saturday made a surprise show in my father´s 75th years birthday party, right in his living room. They won over the average 75-80 year old crowd with their obvious musicianship and undisputable charm! One track off their album will be featured on an upcoming collection I am putting together, *Frozen - A Selection of Polarized Country* (24:00/ S2 Records). The doubble disc will feature 26 Scandinavian acts that all have some element of country in their sound, some more, some less. One of the featured bands is Bönkers, who started work on their debutalbum in Athletic yesterday with Bob Egan (Wilco, Freakwater, great solodisc) producing, for release in the autumn on Metropol/ Sony Records. Bob also sat in with Jason The Scorchers on Friday at the Studenthall adding lap steel to a great version of "Truck Driving Man". Tom Skjeklesæther Who went to SXSW and saw both great and not that great music. As usual. And therefor is not worried about the state of alt. country or country country.
Re: Lee Ann Womack on the Opry
Jon Weisberger writes: Caught most of the rerun of tonight's televised portion, and though Ray Price was a hard act to follow - dang, he sounded good, and he also sounded great on the radio-only second show - Lee Ann was up to the job after a slightly shaky start with her Terry Smith-endorsed current hit; it looked to me as though they were having some monitor problems (there was flash of the lead guitar player pointing to his ear, which is usually a sign g). She did a *killer* version of "Miles And Miles Of Texas" for her (unscheduled) encore, with lots of great ensemble playing from the band. Hear hear. I caught most of the "pre-game" show on TNN, too, including most of an interview with Price, who says that his new album should be out in June. The interviewer was asking him what he does on his ranch and I was thinking, "Hell, ask him about his pot bust, too!" Boy, did he sound great, too (a version of "San Antonio Rose"). Lee Ann kicked ass, and Stonewall Jackson was mighty fine, too. If only WSM would start broadcasting through the internet so I could pick up the rest of the Opry and Eddie Stubbs. --Jon Johnson [EMAIL PROTECTED] Wollaston, Massachusetts
Oxford Ameican Southern Issue
Anyone know wen this is coming out? I was interviewed about TwangCast for a piece in that issue. Mike Hayshttp://www.TwangCast.com TM RealCountry 24 X 7 Please Visit Then let us know what you think! Mike Hays www.MikeHays.RealCountry.netFor the best country artist web hosting, www.RealCountry.net
Elena Skye in the NY Times
hey everyone there was a great article (and picture) of our own Elena Skye (and Boo Reiners and the Demolition String Band) in the NEw York Times New Jersey section under the title "Two Paths To Bluegrass That Converged In Hoboken". and they'll be playing at Maxwell's next sunday at 10PM way to go Elena MarkM
Playlists : Roots To Fruits
A couple more Roots To Fruits playlists from SAfm 104-107 in South Africa: 18 April STEVE RILEY THE MAMOU PLAYBOYS - Allons Danser WAYNE TOUPS - One Scotch, One Bourbon, One Beer BRUCE SPRINGSTEEN - Brothers Under The Bridge CHERI KNIGHT - Dar Glasgow STEVE EARLE THE DEL McCOURY BAND - Harlan Man LIZ PHAIR - Johnny Feelgood MARY JANE LAMOND - Seinn O THE CHIEFTAINS - The Fiddling Ladies LOS SUPER SEVEN - La Madrugada OLIVER MTUKUDZI - Todii (Zimbabwe) AMADOU et MARIAM - Djandjolo (Mali) SYD KITCHEN - Where The Children Play (South Africa) KING TUBBY - Everybody Needs Dub 25 April KING TUBBY - Dub Is My Occupation SUB DUB - Q Samba Sub Dub Mix ARTO LINDSAY - Q Samba GOLDEN PALOMINOS - The Haunting RICHARD THOMPSON - Keep Your Distance REALEJO - Cancao Do Gaitiero medley (Portugal) MAZAPEGUL - Bandido (Italy) KOCANI ORKESTAR - L'Orient Est Rouge (Macedonia) DIRTY DOZEN BRASS BAND - The Flintstones Meets The President SOUTHERN SCRATCH - Cuatro Vidas Polka LOS SUPER SEVEN - Rio de Tenampa JOE ELY - She Never Spoke Spanish To Me (Live at the 1990 Cambridge Folk Festival) BUTCH HANCOCK - Dominoes Richard
Re: Lee Ann Womack on the Opry
Oh, RATS! Ray Price was on the Opry? And Lee Ann Womack and Stonewall, too? Rats--I wasn't home and forgot to set a tape. Well, I did see 40 Acre Feud last night and Ray was in it (pretty glassy-eyed and looking like a bowl of spaghetti) and George Jones and a bunch of other people... so that's consolation. Junior Brown also recorded "A Way to Survive". Dina
RE: Dixie Chicks Article in Dallas Observer
Marie says:
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
geez, but how do you really feelwhat's up with such completely
"mean-spirited" attacks on critics that for some reason are not
likedwhat
a waste of time...
That was nothing. If you really want to see insults and venom
hurled about, bring up the 'M' word. Marcus...as in Greil.
Though I generally dislike his writing style, and though I think _Invisible
Republic_ has a lot of dopey stuff ("who is Willie," anyone?), Marcus has
written some good things, as well - and in the area of pure malice and
sleazy personal attack he can't hold a candle to Wilonsky.
Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
Floyd Tillman comp
The talk about Willie Nelson's singing style reminds me that I had meant to mention that the Collector's Choice Tillman CD that has a couple dozen of Floyd's Columbia records,including "Slipping Around," "This Cold War With You," "It Had To Be That Way," "I Gotta Have My Baby Back," etc. is now available through regular retail channels. Oh, baby. Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
Re: Earle and Country music sales
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999 20:23:18 EDT said: and just to really blow everyone's mind, please note that last month Steve Earle earned his "GOLD" status for Guitar Town!! That came out in 1986 and has only sold 500,000 copies. What the heck is goin' on Especially since Guitar Town was a #1 country album. What gives? Was country music just in the doldrums (in terms of popularity like number of radio stations/album sales)? Or is the ability of country stars to sell millions of albums a relatively new thing? (I'm talking strictly about non-crossover country stars - though even the crossover/non-crossover dichotomy can get fuzzy. Evan Cooper (overly puzzled on a Sunday morn_ np: Cokie Roberts and the Tipster pontificating about teens. Double Ack!! Kate (happy to have contributed to the 500k) [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I wrote: If we're talking about the decade, I don't know that Nirvana's sold more albums than Gill; the RIAA database is down right now, but I'll report back. And though the database is still down (wake up over there!), on taking another look at the best-sellers list, I see that Nirvana clocks in at 23 million units (a million less than AJ, which I find surprising), whereas Gill must be somewhere under 20 million. Still, as I went on to say: Gill's had a number of multi-platinum albums, though, and is clearly an immense commercial success... And just to quantify that, he's got 6 of them, which is immense commercial success in my book g.
RE: Lee Ann Womack on the Opry
Oh, RATS! Ray Price was on the Opry? And Lee Ann Womack and Stonewall, too? Gotta bookmark that Opry schedule page, Dina g. It's at http://www.country.com/music/opry/opry-schedule-f.html ; they usually post the new one on Wednesday. Thanks all for the help on "A Way To Survive." I shoulda figured it'd be a Hank Cochran song... Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
Re: single most influential, cont.
I'm chiming in midstream, so I'm not really sure where this thread has been or eventually went, but Dylan has his "own thing" and for that alone he should be revered. I mean Celine Dion has a great voice, but she still sucks. Occassionally, I forget that Dylan actually *did* have a genuinely good voice - if you listen to the "Royal Albert Hall" disc, you might be surprised. -John ___ Get Free Email and Do More On The Web. Visit http://www.msn.com
Beastie Boys as AOTD
Hey there, Just thought I'd mention at this point that when I said "The Beastie Boys are the Artists of the Decade" I was joking. Nice thread tho. The _real_ AOTD are, um, They Might be Giants. Yeah, definitely, TMBG. Or perhaps Sepultura. Later... CK ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Southern Rock Lives
Hey there, Marie drops my name... CK talked to them at SXSW, but his memory is probably a bit foggy. It was kinda funny actually. I was peppering them with questions about releasing a CD, touring, etc. and the lead singer replied with a drawl, "We're just getting started, man." Later... CK on a shakey prop plane to Lafayette LA ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: Lee Ann Womack on the Opry
At 01:27 AM 4/25/99 -0400, Jon wrote: In between she did a good slow, hard-country number that's not on either of her albums, most likely titled "A Way To Survive"; anyone know where it comes from? A Way To Survive is among my very favorite Ray Price hits, a Top 10 effort from 1966. --david cantwell
Re: Dixie Chicks Article in Dallas Observer
"There was just something endearing about women honoring Patsy Montana and Bill Monroe like anyone still gave a damn." (Robert Wilonsky) I only got about a third of the way through this guy's ridiculous diatribe, so I missed this. These are fightin' words. Kimmie and I just produced a play with Joe Sears (of Greater Tuna) which was based on the great Tex Ritter song "Hillbilly Heaven". We had a scene featuring "Patsy Montana" (played by Maryann Price.) I sure as hell do assume there are people who give a damn, and if they don't then they damn sure should. I also assumed that it was a very worthwhile experience for all the kids in the show, who were exposed firsthand to live (and very convincing) versions of songs by Jimmie Rodgers, Bob Wills, Woody Guthrie, Hank Williams, et al. If the kids had never heard of any of these people or their music, then they have now. This is worthwhile. I'd like to roll up a copy of our play and shove it up this guy's ass. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
New York P2ers rise again!
I would have said "rule"--but nobody rules around here; this much we know! A new and shocking piece of information is that here in big bad Hew York City--OK metropolitan New York, but it works out that way: we now have one of the largest P2 contingents around. HERE! (Our problem is that such a large percentage are in busy bands that the rest of us rarely get to see them outside of their own gigs.) Last night, newer members Nina Melechen and Micah Raferty and Jason Lewis joined Mrs. and Mr. Hockeystick and me at that Kelly Willis/Bruce Robson show which was swell, but today I just want to talk about this gang. Nina and Micah are very knowledgeable hard core alt.country/country fans (and were much fun to hang with) so I trust we'll be hearing from them plenty on-list and otherwise . Jason is from the NYC alt.country band Star City; he slipped me this band's demo disc and they sound suprisingly southmidwestern, in the SV/Bottle Rocket/Blue Mt./Jim Roll vein. I think a lot of you'd go for them. New York area P2ers now include the following, in more or less order of P2 seniority, cause why not: Amy Haugesag Barry Mazor Ross Whitwam Jeff Jackolew Buddy Woodward Mike Hargreaces (Rockets) John Friedman (back now) Susan Kowal Elena Skye (Demolition expert) Long Island Mark M Jason Lewis (Star) Dan Rigney (Moths) Jed Boyar Nina Mechelen Micah Raferty ... and emeritus by frequent association: Melina Brown Jim Catalano People are known to show up here form Philadelphia, Connecticut, and even Boston too. They know who they are! I'm putting this out there so that if there are lurkers about wondering if there is an active contingent here (or if anyboidy likes twang in NYC...or if I've stupidly left somebody out) they'll speak up for future reference. Barry M.
Re: Floyd Tillman comp
Jon Weisberger wrote: The talk about Willie Nelson's singing style reminds me that I had meant to mention that the Collector's Choice Tillman CD that has a couple dozen of Floyd's Columbia records,including "Slipping Around," "This Cold War With You," "It Had To Be That Way," "I Gotta Have My Baby Back," etc. is now available through regular retail channels. Oh, baby. Floyd Tillman is one of the least appreciated great American songwriters. His chord structures just floor me every time I hear or play one. He literally had the first cheatin' song hit. His melodies are beautiful. Get him. He is still very much alive and plays occasionally in Texas. He was big in Houston and was the resident influence there on a whole generation of young guys, including Willie. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: Earle and Country music sales
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Earle earned his "GOLD" status for Guitar Town!! That came out in 1986 and has only sold 500,000 copies. What the heck is goin' on Especially since Guitar Town was a #1 country album. What gives? #1 for how long? is probably the operative question. If it shot up and fell back off in a hurry, it might have never sold a lot of copies. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: Floyd Tillman comp/ Jimmy Wakely
Jon Weisberger wrote: t the Collector's Choice Tillman CD that has a couple dozen of Floyd's Columbia records, is now available through regular retail channels. Oh, baby. So these would be all those key late-40s cuts missing from the Hall of Fame comp--and not just those 3 cuts I've had on the Columbia "Honky Tonk Heroies" comp? Oh Baby indeed. In a related area, I've also just been catching up with--and really admiring and liking--the smooth honky tonk of Jimmy Wakely. Got a hard-to-locate comp while in Austin called "Million Sellers" on the obscure but apparently legit "Country Legends/KRB" label... But the larger and recent Capitol Vintage comp seems to have disappeared as suddenly and quietly as it appeared, so I have to keep checking for that. Any other recommendations there? Barry
RE: Floyd Tillman comp
Floyd Tillman is one of the least appreciated great American songwriters. In a lot of places, for sure, but not in Nashville g, where he's a charter member of the Songwriters Hall Of Fame (1970) and was inducticated, as Jimmy Martin says, into the Country Music HOF in 1984. Biggest shortcoming of the new comp is that "A Small Little Town" didn't make the cut. I sure hope they put it on Volume Two g. Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
RE: Earle and Country music sales
Joe Gracey says: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Steve Earle earned his "GOLD" status for Guitar Town!! That came out in 1986 and has only sold 500,000 copies. What the heck is goin' on Especially since Guitar Town was a #1 country album. What gives? #1 for how long? is probably the operative question. If it shot up and fell back off in a hurry, it might have never sold a lot of copies. And I suspect that was the case, plus which, as Evan speculated, country music was on a downswing right about then popularity-wise, plus which (most importantly, probably), 1986 was well pre-Soundscan, and it's a truism that country sales were under-reported in those days. BTW, Copperhead Road made gold a while ago, according to the CMHOF Encyclopedia. Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
RE: Floyd Tillman comp/ Jimmy Wakely
Barry "Mr. Good Taste" Mazor says: Jon Weisberger wrote: t the Collector's Choice Tillman CD that has a couple dozen of Floyd's Columbia records, is now available through regular retail channels. Oh, baby. So these would be all those key late-40s cuts missing from the Hall of Fame comp--and not just those 3 cuts I've had on the Columbia "Honky Tonk Heroies" comp? Oh Baby indeed. That's correct; 2 dozen cuts made between 1946 and 1952. In a related area, I've also just been catching up with--and really admiring and liking--the smooth honky tonk of Jimmy Wakely. Got a hard-to-locate comp while in Austin called "Million Sellers" on the obscure but apparently legit "Country Legends/KRB" label... But the larger and recent Capitol Vintage comp seems to have disappeared as suddenly and quietly as it appeared, so I have to keep checking for that. Any other recommendations there? Simitar, a label about which I know nothing more than what it says on their website (http://www.simitar.com), has a nice 12-cut selection that's very badly annotated (the sum total of recording info is that the cuts "were made in the 1940s"). It might be transcription stuff from when he was on Autry's radio show, or from his movies made for Monogram. Nothing really famous on it, unless you count what I guess must be the original version of "Too Late," which folks might know from the Louvin Brothers' version (Wakely wrote it), but it's good stuff; Wakely was awfully consistent. That's bad news about the Capitol Vintage comp. Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
bluegrass whatever
What people see or hear in this act, I don't get. Oh, wait, they have women who bare parts of thier bodies. That must be it. Matt "New wave dance craze it's still rock and roll to me" Benz Oh jeez, Matt, since when do you start complaining about women on stage showing parts of their bodies? I'm on digest so I'm kinda jumping in on the tail end of the whole bluegrass hack band stealing jobs from the real guys thing, but it strikes me as incredibly distasteful. Should there be a bluegrass INS to keep all those outsiders from stealing jobs from our boys? Begin the thinning of the herd!! Christ, and people ask me why we (tmp) don't play bluegrass festivals. Because no one in any seedy rock club in America is going to judge whether we're fit to represent a entire genre. Why are people in the bluegrass clique so defensive and insular? I hate to be all hippie, but isn't music supposed to be unifying and all that? What the hell is with all this snide divisive shit? Let damn Darius Rucker play the mandolin fer chrissakes. It's an instrument, not the holy grail. cherilyn.
Re: New York P2ers rise again!
A new and shocking piece of information is that here in big bad Hew York City--OK metropolitan New York, but it works out that way: we now have one of the largest P2 contingents around. HERE! snip People are known to show up here form Philadelphia, Connecticut, and even Boston too. They know who they are! Will the new and improved NYC contingent be at the Damnations/Elena Skye show next Sunday at Maxwell's? Hope so, 'cause I'm making the trek up from Philly and it'd be nice to see some of you folks pre-TFest. As far as I understand it, there aren't advance tix for that one. Steve Kirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] np: Mekons-I Have Been To Heaven Back (new rarities comp--yowza!) ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
RE: New York P2ers rise again!
Hi All, I'm sticking my NYC-lurker head up to ask a question of all your NYC P2 people (apologies to everyone else for the strickly regional interest) - I live in Williamsburg and have notice signs up for the Hand Williams Lonesome Hearts Club Band (something like that anyway) which is going to playing at the Parkside Lounge regularly on Sunday. Now the question is, does anyone know if this group is the same guys - the trio with with standup bass - who play on the L platform at Bedford on the weekends? Those guys rock - well, not ROCK - but you know what I mean. If anyone knows this I'd really be interested in knowing. Thanks all - now back to lurking. Elizabeth -Original Message- From: Barry Mazor [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Sunday, April 25, 1999 12:08 PM To: passenger side Subject: New York P2ers rise again! I would have said "rule"--but nobody rules around here; this much we know! A new and shocking piece of information is that here in big bad Hew York City--OK metropolitan New York, but it works out that way: we now have one of the largest P2 contingents around. HERE! (Our problem is that such a large percentage are in busy bands that the rest of us rarely get to see them outside of their own gigs.) Last night, newer members Nina Melechen and Micah Raferty and Jason Lewis joined Mrs. and Mr. Hockeystick and me at that Kelly Willis/Bruce Robson show which was swell, but today I just want to talk about this gang. Nina and Micah are very knowledgeable hard core alt.country/country fans (and were much fun to hang with) so I trust we'll be hearing from them plenty on-list and otherwise . Jason is from the NYC alt.country band Star City; he slipped me this band's demo disc and they sound suprisingly southmidwestern, in the SV/Bottle Rocket/Blue Mt./Jim Roll vein. I think a lot of you'd go for them. New York area P2ers now include the following, in more or less order of P2 seniority, cause why not: Amy Haugesag Barry Mazor Ross Whitwam Jeff Jackolew Buddy Woodward Mike Hargreaces (Rockets) John Friedman (back now) Susan Kowal Elena Skye (Demolition expert) Long Island Mark M Jason Lewis (Star) Dan Rigney (Moths) Jed Boyar Nina Mechelen Micah Raferty ... and emeritus by frequent association: Melina Brown Jim Catalano People are known to show up here form Philadelphia, Connecticut, and even Boston too. They know who they are! I'm putting this out there so that if there are lurkers about wondering if there is an active contingent here (or if anyboidy likes twang in NYC...or if I've stupidly left somebody out) they'll speak up for future reference. Barry M.
Re: Updates
Todd Larson wrote: I'll keep that in mind, Bill, and stick with pizza. Have a great weekend everybody...and Jon, make sure to crack the whip tonight on that slacker Purcell. If you don't keep an eye on him he'll be pulling a Warner Hodges and playing the guitar behind his back or with his teeth... I've already ordered a codpiece for my next Prospect Hill show. I'm going to give new meaning to "G-run." Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greater Cinti Roots Music Page: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest Central: http://www.twangfest.com
Re: P2 heaven
Miss Amy wrote: What a banner day in my P2 mailbox. My favorite Norwegian is back, Erin Snyder's posting again, and Roy's back. It's enough to make a gal get all mushy. Who is this Roy Kasten fellow you guys are getting all mushy over? Dave P.S. Welcome back, amigo. *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Greater Cinti Roots Music Page: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest Central: http://www.twangfest.com
Terri Clark?
I've enjoyed the last two singles from off her most recent album pretty well
("You're Easy On The Eyes" and "Every Time I Cry"). Does the album go any
deeper in good stuff, or is that pretty much it? I bought the album before
that and wasn't too impressed, but she did good on the George Jones Show, so
maybe there's something there?
Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED]
http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
Goose Creek Symphony
Any of you people familiar with these guys? I saw them last night. I knew nothing about them, but went on the recommendation of a friend. The first sign of trouble was the proliferation of aging deadheads and 20-something-"I wasn't even alive in the 60s, but all that free love and dope seems cool, so I'll borrow my parents Lexus SUV to drive over to the mall, buy a $75 designer tied-dye shirt and $120 pair of Calvin Klein *weathered* cut-offs, and relive the summer of love while I'm on spring break"-hippie-wannabes. I'm not sure how to describe them. Parts bluegrass, parts country, parts that Dead/Phish thing. Lots of noodling, bongos, noodling, long solos, more noodling, noodling, noodling. We stayed for about 30 - 45 minutes - just long enough for the first song. g The band has an enthusiastic and rabid following. Maybe I'm just missing something here. They did have great harmonies. And they seemed like talented players. The songs were just so long and, I don't know, boring, What have I learned from this? Well, when a friend with dormant hippie tendencies recommends a band, carefully consider whether the band appeals to their cool, country/roots rock tendencies or those aforementioned hippie tendencies. g I tried to be open-minded about it. But, hippies and me - we're like oil and water. We just don't mix. I blame the Sex Pistols. marie
Re: Goose Creek Symphony
Heh heh...Marie comments on the alarmingly growing ranks of faux bluegrass and hippy acoustic bands. It's becoming all da rage here in St. Louis, too: half-proficient tie-dyed youth playing fiddles, mandolins, banjos and Martin guitars. Whatever, but the music is just as deadly dull played acoustic as it was with Stratocasters. Still, it's had the positive if unintentional side affect of giving a core group of stone bluegrass and old-timey musicians some of their best paying gigs in years. Kip
Re: Jon Emery on KUT Radio
Christopher Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I recently started listening to KUT on the web from Austin. I started with Mark Rubin's "Overnight" show, though it comes on a bit late. Then I discovered Tom Pittman (I believe he is with the Austin Lounge Lizards) hosting live shows on the LiveSet show. This week, Sunday April 25th from 8-9 CST, he will host Jon Emery. Actually, any KUT DJ can host Live Set. They sort of rotate. Overnight DJ Jeff Johnston asked the Barkers to do a Live Set on May 30, which we're pretty excited about. Another show to listen to is Folkways, on Saturday morning. Lots of live local and touring music, and despite the name it's not all folky. There are several DJs who take turns, and they range from Celtic to folky to more bluegrassy in their tastes. Also, KUT carries This American Life on Saturday afternoon, which is my favorite NPR program, and not too many NPR affiliates seem to carry it. Bill Gribble Barkers mp3's at http://www.mp3.com/thebarkers
Re: Floyd Tillman comp/ Jimmy Wakely
Don't know if anyone has mentioned it yet but there is a new cd that just came out on Glad called Herb Remington Instrumentally Salutes Floyd Tillman. I believe Remington was in the Texas Playboys. I haven't heard it yet but it sounds awful interesting. Flippo
Jon Emery on KUT Radio
I recently started listening to KUT on the web from Austin. I started with Mark Rubin's "Overnigt" show, though it comes on a bit late. Then I discovered Tom Pittman (I believe he is with the Austin Lounge Lizards) hosting live shows on the LiveSet show. This week, Sunday April 25th from 8-9 CST, he will host Jon Emery. I heard Jon for the first time on a tape compilation of train songs that someone sent me. With the help of David Goodman of Modern Twang, I was able to find out more about Jon Emery. A description follows. The address for KUT on the web is http://www.utexas.edu/kut/kutradio.ram. A direct link to the LiveSet show is: http://www.kut.org/liveset/index.html. There is also an archived show by Austin folk/blues artist Peter Keane, who I have become a real fan of, both his solo work and with Bill Morrissey. I see that 5/9 is a show with Bruce Robison. Born in Vermont, December 28, 1946; was in a group in California in the early 1960s called the VIPs with Leroy Preston who was later in Asleep at the Wheel. Jon then had a country swing group called the Missouri Valley Boys that toured the Midwest in the early 1970s; he then moved to Austin, Texas and the MVB became a Western swing group called Whiskey Drinkin' Music which morphed into the Jon Emery Band. Played clubs in Austin the 70s-80s and recorded Hillbilly Rock Roll for Bear Family in 1985; guests on the record included Jimmy Day, Alvin Crow, and Erik Hokkanen; did a live album from the Cactus Cafe then another for BF called If You Don't Buy This, I'll Find Somebody Who Will in 1995. Latest album = Two Separate Highways in 1997 for Rib House Records. -- Christopher Adams [EMAIL PROTECTED] "Strange Things Happenin' Every Day" - Sister Rosetta Tharpe
Re: Goose Creek Symphony
Kip wrote: Heh heh...Marie comments on the alarmingly growing ranks of faux bluegrass and hippy acoustic bands. It's becoming all da rage here in St. Louis, too: half-proficient tie-dyed youth playing fiddles, mandolins, banjos and Martin guitars. Whatever, but the music is just as deadly dull played acoustic as it was with Stratocasters. It **is** dull, but give the little hackeysackers credit for at least being openminded enough to accept a little twang without recoiling in revulsion. Naked Omaha opened up for a hippydippyjammywhammyphishywishy band from W Va called The Recipe a while back. I figured it'd be a horror show, but their fans actually seemed to appreciate the twang in our music. It was a pleasant surprise. Steve Kirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
RE: Goose Creek Symphony
Kip writes: It's becoming all da rage here in St. Louis, too: half-proficient tie-dyed youth playing fiddles, mandolins, banjos and Martin guitars. Who do you have in mind here, Kip? Roy
Attention Marie: How to Go Haute Hippie
The first sign of trouble was the proliferation of aging deadheads and
20-something-"I wasn't
even alive in the 60s, but all that free love and dope seems cool,
so I'll borrow my parents Lexus SUV to drive over to the mall, buy
a $75 designer tied-dye shirt and $120 pair of Calvin Klein
*weathered* cut-offs, and relive the summer of love while I'm
on spring break"-hippie-wannabes.
marie
And, on cue, from today's New York TImes (which always seems to know about
THESE things):
April 25, 1999
Feeling Groovy Doesn't Come Cheap
By ALEX WITCHEL
I like a a guy who says "nice to meet you" while he's kissing both your
cheeks. A guy who inventories his outfit -- "Karan pants and top, Gucci
belt, Prada shoes and overcoat" -- and answers the question "How much
do you cost?" with a hoot, declaring: "It's a fortune, darling. But after you
wear good clothing, it's so hard to go back."
Derek Khan, 41, knows from
good clothing. He is a top
music stylist who dresses
Lauryn Hill, Sean (Puffy)
Combs, Salt 'n' Pepa and
Monica. Now, I admit it had to
be explained to me that the
Monica in question was not she
of the Oval Office, but a
hip-hop artist Khan finds so
fabulous he says, "The minute I
saw her, I dropped on the floor
and kissed it." He was so
excited telling the story, I didn't
have the heart to ask what
hip-hop was. He already had his hands full with me.
We were setting off on a styling spree to achieve the latest fashion craze,
haute hippie. Yes, the very term is an oxymoron. Back in the days when I
was a baby hippie myself, all it took was a pair of bell-bottoms and a peasant
shirt bought at a "head shop" (rolling papers situated near the cash
register),
total cost about $30. But these days, the fashion world has determined that
ponchos and peasant blouses, beads and flowers are all back and better than
enough to feed a commune for a year.
Kelli Delaney, the senior fashion editor at Glamour magazine, says the hippie
trend "is a backlash to the almost masculine streamlined forms of spring" --
items like messenger bags and straight-leg suits with boxy jackets. "The '60s
hippie clothes are feminine, flowy, sexy," she says. "You feel groovy
wearing them, loose and unstructured. It's a relief to women to be sexy
again." Not to mention groovy. But looking groovy in the 1990s isn't the old
"anything goes" mentality of the '60s. Today's hippie look is more refined,
pardon the expression: better fabrics and expert tailoring, a nod to the past,
but modern. For this, I needed Khan.
Now, for the record, a stylist is not a personal
shopper limited to the
inventory of one store. A stylist has access to the
private showrooms and
collections of many designers and, as Khan says, "has
an eye and encourages
you." Khan's eye, by the way, costs $10,000 a day for
those without
recording contracts. When I shamefacedly admit that my
idea of a fashion
high is getting into bed with a catalog, he is
surprisingly nice about it. "My
clients are just like you," he assures me. "Most
artists are very understated.
The glamour is a persona."
Our first stab at glamour was Chanel. We would not be
going to Gucci, Khan
announced, because "they have too much press already."
Though Tom Ford,
Gucci's head designer, is a guiding force behind the
resurgence of the hippie
look, sewing feathers onto jeans and beads onto
blouses, Khan was adamant:
"The Daily News did a story on how to make the jeans
yourself. When it gets
to that point, honey, it's overdone."
At Chanel, Khan was greeted warmly by Anne Fahey, the
executive director
of fashion public relations. Neither she nor Khan
seemed to grasp the irony
of searching for hippie duds in the temple of the
pastel suit, which was
standard uniform for all those mothers bemoaning their
daughters'
bell-bottoms. ("Why do they have to drag on the
ground?" I remember, was
a popular refrain.)
Ms. Fahey led us into a suite of offices where Khan
flung open the closet
doors and started pulling clothes. "What do you think
of this?" he asked of a
knit skirt with thick horizontal stripes that looked
more librarian than hippie,
and not haute at all. I shook my head. He immediately
removed it. "I try to
Re: Goose Creek Symphony
marie arsenault wrote: noodling, noodling. We stayed for about 30 - 45 minutes - just long enough for the first song. g I'm sure if we had stayed any longer we would've started smelling that "I'm a deadhead and I've been so stoned I forgot to take a bath" body odor. g They did have great harmonies. And they seemed like talented players. The songs were just so long and, I don't know, boring, There were so many players they didn't fit on the stage. I betcha that looney waitress at the Sutler dug 'em though. Today when at a record store I saw one of their cds. I made a mental note to buy a copy of it for your birthday, Marie. Ronni
Not Exactly Nashville playlist - 4/24/99
Not Exactly Nashville WCNI 91.1FM New London, CT Saturday 12noon - 3PM (EDT) webcasting on RealAudio at elm.conncoll.edu:81/audio/live.ram Country Roots playlist - 4/24/99 Mike Trynosky [EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's show featured a handful of tunes performed on TNT's broadcast last Sunday of the recent Johnny Cash tribute at The Hammerstein Theatre in NYC. Also, a birthday set for West Coast 1960's honky tonker Kay Adams (4/19/41). Axe To Grind / Hellecasters / Axe To Grind / Rio Three Words / Dead Crickets / Two Tons Of Steel / Dead Crickets I'll Try Not To Cry Tonight / Elena Skye The Demolitions String Band / One Dog Town / North Hollow Cornbread Moon / Joe Ely / Honky Tonk Masquerade / MCA I'll Go Crazy / BoxCars (Christine Albert Chris Gage) / Jumpin' Tracks / Flatrock Crazy Like The Moom / Jack Ingram / Lonesome Question / Crystal Clear Johnny Cash set: Big River / Karen Abrahams / Still Feeling Blue / Mozo City Train Of Love / Ray Condo His Ricochets / Swing Brother Swing / East Side (Canadian import differs greatly from Joaquin) Tennessee Flat Top Box / Rosanne Cash / King's Record Shop / Columbia I Still Miss Someone / International Submarine Band (feat. Gram Parsons) / Safe At Home / Rhino Long Black Veil / Courtney Hudek (w/ Chris Lovesay) / Americana: A Tribute To Johnny Cash / Irregular Delia's Gone / Johnny Cash / American Recordings / American Don't Take Your Guns To Town / Steve Earle Jerry Douglas / Restless On The Farm / Sugar Hill (Ghost) Riders In The Sky / Johnny Cash Willie Nelson / VH1 Storyteller / American .J. C. ...continues.. Get Rhythm / NRBQ / NRBQ At Yankee Stadium / Mercury Big River / Delbert McClinton / Second Helping / Capricorn Jackson / Country Dick Montana w/ Caren Abrams / Pleasure Barons Live In Las Vegas / HighTone Country Boy / Johnny Cash / Unchained / American Folsom Prison Blues / Will Ray / Invisible Birds / Country-Town Rusty Cage / Johnny Cash / Unchained / American Pink Cadillac / Johnny Todd Boogie Woogie Country Girl / Ray Pennington His Western Rhythm Boys / Great Cincinnati Rockers / Collector's Choice Nine Tenths Of The Tennessee River / Cornell Hurd / At Large / Behemoth For You My Love / Billy Jack Wills His Western Swing Band / Crazy, Man, Crazy / Joaquin Corina Corina / Spade Cooley The Western Swing Dance Gang / Shame On You / Bloodshot - Soundies Steel Crazy / Dave Biller Jeremy Wakefield w/ Big Sandy (vcl) / The Hot Guitar Of Biller And Wakefield / HighTone Playgirl / Big Sandy His Fly-Rite Boys / Radio Favorites (vinyl - three 7") / HighTone Feelin' Low / Lynette Morgan Her Tennessee Rhythm Riders / Little Red Wagon / Studio 28 Rock Roll Polka / Ranch Girls Their Ragtime Wranglers / Hillbilly Harmony / Goofin' How Would You Feel / Roy Heinrich The Pickups / Smokey Night In A Bar / Stockade Kiss The Baby Goodnight / Charline Arthur / Welcome To The Club / Bear Family Somebody's Rose / Tex Atchison / Stompin' At The Honky Tonk - Roots Of Rock N' Roll Vol 7 / President Hot Time Mama / Hank Penny / Stompin' Western Swing - Roots Of Rock N' Roll Vol 2 / President You're A Mess / Hal Peters His String Dusters / Lonesome Hearted Blues / Goofin' Ain't Givin' Up / Smith's Ranch Boys / Barnyard Favorites / Ecco Fonic (10" LP) Wine Women Song / Carl Sonny Leyland / I'm Wise / HighTone Long Time In The Ground / Deke Dickerson / Number 1 Hit Record / HighTone Kay Adams set: Mama Was A Rock (Daddy Was A Rolling Stone) / Kay Adams BR5-49 / Rig Rock Deluxe / Upstart Six Days Awaiting / Kay Adams / Wheels And Tears / Tower No Fool Like An Old Fool / Kay Adams Dick Curless / A Devil Like Me Needs An Angel Like You / Tower I Can't Stop (My Lovin' You) / Kay Adams Dick Curless / Tombstone Every Mile / Bear Family The Reason We're Together / Kay Adams / Wheels And Tears Walk The Floor / Kay Adams / Wheels And Tears Too Late / Kay Adams Dick Curless / A Devil Like Me Early In The Morning / Vernon Taylor / Daddy's Rockin' / Run Wild So Long / Todd Wulfmeyer / Rock-A-Billy Record Company Compilation Album Vol 2 / Rock-A-Billy Wanna Kiss / Marti' Brom / Mean / Squarebird Drifting Texas Sand / Ray Campi / With Friends In Texas / Flying Fish Separate Ways / Rosie Flores Ray Campi / A Little Bit Of Heartache / Watermelon Nyquil Blues / Alvin Crow The Pleasant Valley Boys / self titled / Long Neck Steal Away / Sandy Rogers / Green Moon / Rattlesnake What I Deserve / Kelly Willis / What I Deserve / Ryko Flowers Of Edinburgh / Albert Lee / Gagged But Not Bound / MCA
Re: Goose Creek Symphony
Ronni: I'm sure if we had stayed any longer we would've started smelling that "I'm a deadhead and I've been so stoned I forgot to take a bath" body odor. g or patchouli! Today when at a record store I saw one of their cds. I made a mental note to buy a copy of it for your birthday, Marie. I have such thoughtful friends. I would much prefer a Goose Creek cd than, say, a Haggard box set. Gotta run. I'm feeling the urge to spin my Dave Matthews and Beefheart cds. g Right after I gouge my eyes out with a spoon. marie
Re: Attention Marie: How to Go Haute Hippie
From Barry: Feeling Groovy Doesn't Come Cheap By ALEX WITCHEL I like a a guy who says "nice to meet you" while he's kissing both your cheeks. A guy who inventories his outfit -- "Karan pants and top, Gucci belt, Prada shoes and overcoat" -- and answers the question "How much do you cost?" with a hoot, declaring: "It's a fortune, darling. But after you wear good clothing, it's so hard to go back." Sometimes people just scare the shit out of me. Thanks for this horror story, Barry! g marie
Steve, Del and Ronnie
The latest issue of "Acoustic Guitar" has a good interview with Steve Earl and Del and Ronnie McCoury. Not just for guitar nerds. Interesting in light of the recent "Update" mud-sling. Tom Moran The Deliberate Strangers' Old Home Place http://members.tripod.com/~Deliberate_Strangers/index.html
Re: single most influential, cont.
Joe Gracey writes: .One example I have always found particularly grating was the Dead's vocals, which are like fingernails on chalkboards to me, but which apparently don't bother their fans. I find Dylan's early stuff to be engaging, his later stuff to be almost painful, vocally... Harrumph. Shoulda known that. This is the guy who gets to hear Kimmie Rhodes sing in the shower every morning. g Joe X. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
RE: Steve, Del and Ronnie
The latest issue of "Acoustic Guitar" has a good interview with Steve Earl and Del and Ronnie McCoury. Not just for guitar nerds. Um, since you mention it, there's an interview with Del and Ronnie in the current issue of Bluegrass Now. And to tie into another thread: it didn't make it in the published piece, but one of the interesting things they mentioned was that they were getting fans via Phish, which does a couple of Del's numbers. Of course, Del has a connection to the Deadheads via Grisman; they go way back together (check out Early Dawg, on Sugar Hill). Jon Weisberger, Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger
RE: New York P2ers rise again!
Well, I missed the gathering at the Mercury this Saturday. Why? Cuz I was at my friends' John and Joni's wedding at Wild West City deep in the heart of northern New Jersey. Jeez, the last time I was at this place was when I was six years old! It's an replica of an old west town and is cool as heck. The ceremony took place at the chapel right around the corner from Boot Hill. The reception was on the other side of town at the Golden Nugget Saloon: fried chicken, ribs, corn on the cob, chili and get this, three-plus hours of dining and dancing music by Hot Club Of Cowtown (who also played acoustically during the ceremony) with guest appearances by Laura Cantrell, Jeremy Tepper and Tom Clark. I believe that Whit mentioned that the Hot Club are doing a series of gigs later this week at the Rodeo Bar. And Wild West City opens for the season on May 1. Elizabeth Quinn wrote: I live in Williamsburg and have notice signs up for the Hand Williams Lonesome Hearts Club Band (something like that anyway) which is going to playing at the Parkside Lounge regularly on Sunday. Now the question is, does anyone know if this group is the same guys - the trio with with standup bass - who play on the L platform at Bedford on the weekends? Laura Cantrell mentioned these guys on her show a few weeks ago and yes, I do believe that they are the same band that plays on the L train platform. Now you can see them for less than the cost of a token. Jeff Jakowlew
Re: All The Way Down
Anyone who claims License to Ill is hip-hop is fronting - I don't care who
they are. Such claims are revisionist history. At the time of its
release it was widely recognized as a jokey joke from a gang of upperclass
brats.
JP
Once again, JP, I agree with you here, but only to a point. Licensed to Ill
was most certainly a send-up of rap, but as far as it, or the Beasties, not
being taken seriously as artists, I refer you to Daryl McDaniels of Run-DMC,
who once said on touring with the Boys: "From day one they were killing.
Even when nobody knew them. It could be a completely black, Negro, Southern
crowd there to see Run-D.M.C. and Whodini, but when the Beasties came on it
wasnt like people were walking around getting hot dogsthey really paid
attention to them white boys."
And Chuck D has been quoted as saying: "They came out to our radio show at
WBAU (in Long Island), trying to prove to the rap market that they were
viable white kids. You really couldn't doubt their legitimacy 'cause they
were down with Def Jam and Run-D.M.C., and the beats were right. And as long
as they talked about white boys and beer and stuff like that, who could
knock their topics."
These quotes may be revisionist history, but if so, I would say that's not
giving DMC or Chuck D too much credit. And as far as the class issue is
concerned, that's a sword that cuts both ways. Public Enemy, Run-DMC, Eric B
Rakim, De La Soul, LL Cool J, Tribe Called Quest, Ice Cube, and Dr. Dre
all came from working middle-class (or better) homes. Does this mean that
their contribution to rap should be less significant because they really
didn't come from "the streets?" Or if you say that because they're black,
their contributions are inherently more credible, doesn't that smack of
racism? I guess it comes down to an oppositional argument--Class vs.
Race--and I'm not so sure that class has been less significant in the
development of the rap genre.
Lance . . .
PS--Found the Beasties first Def Jam 12" ("She's On It")--with LL Cool J's
Radio stuck inside!!--Run-DMC's Raising Hell, and Eric B Rakim's "Move the
Crowd" 12" (inside of an Afrika Bambaataa sleeve) for two dollars each in a
Lafayette, Louisiana junk store this weekend. Life is good.
RE: Oliver Lake - Fred Hopkins
Twang swang: Transcript of one of Fred Hopkins last interviews at this new avant jazz site out of DC: http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Nook/4381/index.html When I saw Fred at Artpark, it was like he was dancing with the instrument, eyes closed and a smiling all could see for miles. Barry NYC posse-Sorry I didn't make the Kelly Willis gig. Sister was in town and had to stay in Rockland until after dinner. We got to Arlene's at about 11pm. It was a bit of a nuthouse as the band before us had a huge following and colored hair. How was the show ? Dan http://www.moths.com
RE: new Go Betweens best of
She starred in a movie with Gregory Peck/ he got shot but what the heck? -Original Message- From: Sophie Best [SMTP:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, 26 April 1999 14:46 To: passenger side Subject: RE: new Go Betweens best of Wow... reading through that track listing brought back some very sweet memories... I was lucky to see the Go-Betweens live several times during the 80s... another one to add to the must-buy-as-soon-as-credit-rating-is-restored list. Sophie I, yi, yi, yi love Lee Remick... she's a darlin' === _ Do You Yahoo!? Get your free @yahoo.com address at http://mail.yahoo.com
Re: Goose Creek Symphony
Terry Smith: assume consensus on this notion that any guitar solo over 30 seconds is self-indulgent. 30 seconds, no. Over 5 minutes, perhaps. Terry: But personally I'd rather see folks stick with critiquing the music, than taking on such god-awfully easy targets. Now that's a very hippie-ish thing to say. g But, your point is taken. You're right. Hippies are god-awful easy targets. Now folk-singers Hey, I may not have dated a hippie, but some of my best friends certainly *look* like hippies. marie (disclaimer: no hippies or hippie-wannabes were harmed in the making of this post)
Re: Goose Creek Symphony
At 12:20 AM -0500 on 4/26/99, marie arsenault wrote: Terry Smith: assume consensus on this notion that any guitar solo over 30 seconds is self-indulgent. 30 seconds, no. Over 5 minutes, perhaps. I'd rather have a 5-minute guitar solo than a 20-second drum solo. Bob
Solos Instruments
How about a 5 minute bass solo? How about a long long organ solo? That's currently on my mind as I listen to Koch's reissue of Argent's _All Together Now_. Man, what a comboRod Argent Russ Ballard. JC
