Re: SXSW stuff
On Thu, 22 Apr 1999, James Gerard Roll wrote: I don't really think the guy had to name names, he certainly said enough to identify who he was talking about. Obviously not a big fan of insurgent/punk attitude. Perhaps. But the writer also made clear that combining country and rock isn't necessarily a bad thing, and I can think of plenty of bands who do a good job of it. Then again, I can also think of plenty who don't.g--don
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Jim Roll wrote: There was a comment made in the (SXSW Saturday??) Statesman by the columnest on the inside cover, that named CHicago as a highly over-rated music scene in that he had never heard such bad singing and fake accents,etc. I think he named Freakwater among others . . Yep, I've said that out here, oh, 30 or 40 times g. When I was there, if you take away Robbie Fulks, you're not left with much (the Wacos are fun, but face it, they're a rock band). Since then, the fabulous Kellys -- Kessler and Hogan -- have emerged, along with Anna Fermin, so perhaps things are getting better. Although Chicago scores extra negative style points for Moonshine Willy and the Handsome Family, two of the worst alt.country bands of all time (though, I did like a couple of HF songs Mark Wyatt played for me, and though I'm told they're quite nice people, they're not my bag of chips live). Bring it on, CK. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
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At 3:04 PM -0400 on 4/22/99, the guy who said, "You have to understand, Bob, Robbie Fulks and the Wacos *are* our music scene" wrote: Although Chicago scores extra negative style points for Moonshine Willy and the Handsome Family, two of the worst alt.country bands of all time (though, I did like a couple of HF songs Mark Wyatt played for me, and though I'm told they're quite nice people, they're not my bag of chips live). The Handsome Family opened for Vic Chesnutt recently. Wow. The sucking sounds are still echoing in Schuba's. The Timbuk 3 of alt country, except with less content. Nice voices, though (we were right up front and got the stage mix, which was pretty good). And to be fair, this wasn't a crowd that wanted to see anyone other than Chesnutt, and the HF knew it and handled it humorously. (Among themselves. We could hear the off-mic stuff pretty well.) Nonetheless, that isn't enough for me. Bob
Re: SXSW finally
I want one of those damn 7" Meat Purv records with all the Madonna songs. Where can I get one other than at one of your sinful shows at the Hole? Jerald
re: SXSW finally
Thanks guys... I think the winner is "More Record Titles About Chickens." Oy. --cherilyn.
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yup, I'm having a banner day, sorry!
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At 11:14 AM 4/2/99 -0600, you wrote: I want one of those damn 7" Meat Purv records with all the Madonna songs. Where can I get one other than at one of your sinful shows at the Hole? It's on Bloodshot. Waterloo? Favorite mail order source? Begging on 6th and Congress? Jeff
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Dave writes: Meat Purveying Cherilyn wrote: c) could someone please for the love of christ send me an album title suggestion that will beat Jo's "When Chickens Cry." Please please please Can't be that many people who remember the Meatmen. I'd vote for "We're the Meat Purveyors and You Suck." Uhhh, Dave, wouldn't that be - "We're the Meat Purveyors, and You're Not My Cup 'O Tea? g Sorry. Couldn't resist. Joe X. Dave *** Dave Purcell, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Northern Ky Roots Music: http://w3.one.net/~newport Twangfest: http://www.twangfest.com
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Cherilyn diMond wrote: c) could someone please for the love of christ send me an album title suggestion that will beat Jo's "When Chickens Cry." Please please please "When Chickens Lip" "Chicken Teeth On A Hardwood Floor" "When Chickens Hurl" You can use any of those for free. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
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Joe suggests: "Chicken Teeth On A Hardwood Floor" Now that ain't bad... Or perhaps: "(I spent two years in a hot van with her and all she can think of is) When Chickens Cry?" Or: "Meat the Purveyors"? Or simply: "Swap Meat"? Just trying to be helpful, --junior
Re: SXSW finally
Cherilyn diMond wrote: c) could someone please for the love of christ send me an album title suggestion that will beat Jo's "When Chickens Cry." And Joe G suggested: "When Chickens Hurl" See, now THAT's perfect. And I say that even though I'd tried to get Cherilyn to take "Special Meals" or "Sticking to Our Guns" or "When Cows Cry".. months ago..but I think maybe Jo didn't go for 'em Barry
Re: SXSW MOVIES of interest here
So Barry, what movie stahs did you see??? Was McConaughey (sp?) there for the EdTV thing? What about Elizabeth Hurley? Jenna Elfman? Did you invite any of them to Twangfest??? I need responses on this! dominick dan
Re: SXSW MOVIES of interest here
Mr. McConaughey was present--and played a large part in bringing the flick to Austin--Mr. Woody Harrelson, the noticeable Ms. Elizabeth Hurley, Ms. Ellen DeGeneres and pal Ms. Anne Heche, Mr. Martin Landau, director Ron Howard and (big applause in hall here), the irreplaceable Clint Howard. (Ms. Elfman was plugging the flick in NY). Interesting fact: I had a better seat than most of these people! Barry So Barry, what movie stahs did you see??? Was McConaughey (sp?) there for the EdTV thing? What about Elizabeth Hurley? Jenna Elfman? Did you invite any of them to Twangfest??? I need responses on this! dominick dan
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Ms. Elizabeth Hurley mmm...
Re: SXSW report (long)
Head to panel discussion on Hank Williams. Most fascinating aspect was contributed by Greil Marcus, who talked about a movie that fancifully described the last show Hank played. "Hank Williams: The Show He Never Gave", featuring the great Sneezy Waters, from Ottawa, as Hank. Based on the play written by Maynard Collins which toured North America from 1977 to 1993. Waters nailed the role, winning kudos from people like Minnie Pearl and Wesley Rose for his portrayal. Waters also recorded a fine album of Williams covers in 1981. *** Boot Heel Drag can be heard on CJSW 90.9 FM , Calgary,AB Tuesdays at 6:30 PM MST and on realaudio at www.cjsw.com.
RE: SXSW
ahhh the quinessential justification -Original Message- From: Melissa A. Garland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, March 22, 1999 10:06 AM To: passenger side Subject: Re: SXSW Best P2 moment: Melissa Garland proudly showing me her Zippy the Pinhead tatoo at the BBQ As a lurker, I am happy to have finally contributed something useful to the list. Now I feel the hangover was worth it. melissa
Re: SXSW report (long)
In a message dated 3/23/99 5:34:34 PM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Head to Liberty Lunch to see Jim Roll (excellent set), That's who I saw at Liberty Lunch that I really liked. Thanks Jim, I saw you there too didn't I?
Re: SXSW
It was great to see Neko Case for the first time, though the sound problems were disappointing. When did Mike Lemon start playing with her and is it a "permanent" thing? this was their fourth gig together, and he's really excited about it. It's permanent as much as any gig in this crazy world is... meshel (Mike's formerly Mike Ireland's excellent guitarist, now pursuing other things)
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What I remember, by Wynn Harris What, where, who??? Don who? Only kidding. Hanging out with a bunch of P2ers for the first time, really, and having a blast. For a bunch of twang geeks, we sure know how to have a good freakin' time! Oh and then there was the music. Hadacol, Jim Roll, Continental Drifters, Chip Robinson solo, Paul Burch, Silos, jesus, there was so much and so little time... CISCO, Cisco, Cisco, Beaver Nelson, Hazledine - boy that ND party rocked, Alejandro at the Taco Express, the Yard Dog rules! Ted Roddy at the Broken Spoke, the Doolittle party with Say ZUZU and Todd Thibaud, the Blueground Undergrass show at Maggie Mae's. dissapointments: Freakwater, bad room and Reckless Kelly at the AMA -was Steve Earle there? I don't think so. However, my all time favorite gig was the Brooders. They rule It's good to see Randy and Michael back on stage. BTW, smilin' Jim, you rock too and throw a GREAT party! You'll never be able to get out of it now.g
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Best P2 moment: Melissa Garland proudly showing me her Zippy the Pinhead tatoo at the BBQ As a lurker, I am happy to have finally contributed something useful to the list. Now I feel the hangover was worth it. melissa
Re: SXSW
Hey everyone-- Well, I hate weaseldom as much as the next person (nearly had to kill some businessy-looking chick who elbowed her way in front of me at a show and, by way of explanation or excuse, flashed a goddamn BADGE at me). But oh my god, what a great time. Dan Bentele said it best--if you show up at stuff early, you'll have little or no trouble getting in to see what you want, and you'll have a blast. It is WORTH IT, ten times over. Let me see if I can remember what I did. Difficult, since I left my Master Schedule in Kari's car... Wednesday: 1. Jim Roll, backed by the Silos. Freaking incredible, great songs. 2. Brief and kinda boring time standing around in the Austin Music hall--saw a few songs by David Garza (very Lenny Kravitz, imo), Kelly Willis, Bruce Robison, Monte Warden. 3. Ted Roddy. Wow, extremely cool. And the Broken Spoke is definitely the scene of scenes. Bill S. wanted to stay for Cornell Hurd, but others in the party (including myself) were nearly unconscious from tiredness, and we went back to the Austin Motel for some Z's. Thursday: 1. Cherilyn's BBQ. Whole lot of fun. Saw a bunch of great bands, including the Meat Purveyors, the Ex-Husbands, Langford with Kelly Hogan, the Fencecutters, Jim Roll, the list goes on. Lots of dogs in attendance. Kickass blackberry cobbler made by Jo Walston. 2. Robbie Fulks at Cheapo Records. What an outstanding performance, and Robbie played all my requests! Every time I see him, I think he's outdone himself, but it gets better and better. 3. Kim Richey. As usual, I hate the instrumentation on her songs (get that damn synthesizer outta here!), but I really think she's a songwriting genius. And her voice is s good live. 4. Abortive attempt to get in to see Wanda Jackson. Yeah right, "badges only" by that late in the evening. This turned out to be serendipity, because instead we saw... 5. The Tigerlilies. Everything Purcell has said is true. They're excellent, a truly stunning guitar-pop band. They're also some of the nicest guys I've had the privilege of meeting. I really wish more people had been there to witness their set. Friday: 1. Bloodshot BBQ. Saw Devil In A Woodpile, The Blacks (wow, love 'em!!!), and my goddess Neko Case. 2. Left BBQ temporarily to see Hillbilly Idol at Cheapo. Definitely the right decision. I love these guys, and the vibe was terrific. 3. Returned to Bloodshot BBQ just as the Meat Purveyors were striking their first note. Whew, made it! They ruled. Also pogoed a little to the Waco Brothers--sheer chaos in the tent. 4. Heard a little of Dale Watson as I shopped in Under the Sun. Bought a waycool new-old-stock cowboy hat which allowed folks to spot me from afar for the remainder of SxSW. 5. Hung out at Maggie Mae's the rest of the night and caught Split Lip Rayfield (who seemed startled, yet really jazzed, to be playing to a completely PACKED house), the Hicks (UGH! horrible!), Slobberbone (you know how I adore them) and Pumpskully (insert little heavy metal "horns" here). 6. Had a bigass party outside our motel room, featuring a really fun late-night bluegrass jam by members of Split Lip Rayfield, Slobberbone and Hillbilly Idol. Remarkably, nobody in the motel complained. Lots of reckless behavior, hope the photos come out well. Got to bed at 6 am. Ouch. Saturday: 1. Wandered in and out of the Checkered Past BBQ most of the day. Sunshine, ahhh! Caught *great* sets by Lonesome Bob, the Old Joe Clarks, Hadacol, my hero Paul Burch, Dave Schramm + friends (damn, what a guitarist he is...a new fave of mine), and the Silos. Also saw Souled American and the Flatirons but was not really that impressed with either. 2. Caught a couple of songs by Wayne Hancock before heading to... 3. The Bloodshot showcase! More great music from the Meat Purveyors, the Blacks, Neko Case, and the Waco Bros. Didn't think much of Trailer Bride (hmmm, seems like that woman was picking up a new instrument for each tune, and upon closer examination, they were all tuned open to different keys so she could just lay bars on them and "music" would play). Missed the Grievous Angels because a bunch of us went across the street to see the Sadies. I like both, so it was six of one, half dozen of the other. 4. Fell into coma. To all of you who I saw there, it was GREAT to hang out with you. A special hello to Dan Bentele, whom I'd been wanting to meet for some time; to Cherry Lou and the Meat Pervs for the excellent party; to Smilin' Jim, our wristband enabler (I owe you a batch of cookies or something, my friend); to the Hockeysticks, whom I miss terribly since they moved away; and to my awesome roommates (did everyone see Marie's Most Excellent Cowboy Shirt?). Love you all, must wrap this up now. xx Jamie S. [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.wavetech.net/~swedberg http://www.usinternet.com/users/ndteegarden/bheaters
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Hi all, Continued thanks for all those P2ers sharing SXSW stories with "the less fortunate." Sounds like a great time was had by all. The Tom Waits' clips have also been much appreciated. He's been one of my favorites for over 20yrs. Sounds like he's gotten even better with age. During the Oscars, I was surprised to hear that Tom and his wife, Kathleen, worked on the music for "Bunny," an animated feature. Yet another reason to spend more money! Kate
Re: SXSW Report
I'll second that. For those of us who are complete suckers for Teenage Fanclub (I'm raising my hand high and proud) remember this name: The Ice Cream Hands. Lordy. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: passenger side [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Friday, March 19, 1999 9:09 AM Subject: SXSW Report We are having fun. Lots of fun. More later. Slim - sleep deprived
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OK folks, How about some details for the SXSW deprived? Play nice, sharing is "a good thing." K. In a message dated 3/19/1999 9:22:27 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll second that. For those of us who are complete suckers for Teenage Fanclub (I'm raising my hand high and proud) remember this name: The Ice Cream Hands. Lordy. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: We are having fun. Lots of fun. More later. Slim - sleep deprived
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Jerald, Much appreciated!! Kate. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Ok here's a few things I saw yesterday: Cherilyn's P2 BBQ - The rain held out through the afternoon so the bands played. I saw Cherilyn's roomie Scott play (Bruce Springsteen cover of I'm On Fire), The Meat Purveyors (Bruce cover of You Can Look But You Better Not Touch) and the Ex Husbands (Bruce cover of Cadillac Ranch with special "Cher-i-lyn's Ranch" lyrics at the end). The Meat Purveyors also did their great new song about Chad Hamilton called "I'm More Man Than you'll ever be, and More Woman than you'll ever get" about Chad and Cherry Lou's... uh relationship. I am hoping it will make it on the next TMP cd. The brisket and tater salad was good and the Pearl was foamy, the airplanes made regular passes over the house (they will be gone next year after the airport moves). I met a few P2ers that I knew by rep only like Meshel, Amy H. and CK. Saw Yates and Deborah, Slim, Chad H., Matt Cook, Bill Silvers, Jamie S., Jayne, and quite a few others I am forgetting right now. Went to a Sony party at Stubbs and saw a little of Old Pike, Bare Jr. I had only seen Bare Jr. do acoustic in stores before so they were a little louder and rocked the house. Went across the street to the Doolittle party to find that the Bottle Rockets weren't going to make the party but ate and watched Todd Thibaud for three good pop songs. Back to Stubbs to catch Houndog, the David Hidalgo side project. Good greasy, bluesy sounds. Wayne Hancock started his showcase outside an hour early so we got to see about thirty minutes of that. Next to Cheapo Discs as the rain starts to see Robbie Fulks. Despite sound problems Robbie was in good form, "Burn Together, Tears only Run one way",God Isn't Real", a new song that he said he just recorded with Kelly Willis called "Parallel Bars" where he sang both parts of the duet. He also brought up a songwriting friend, Dallas Wayne? to do a couple of songs. Well I better get to work, more later.
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I just saw Devil in a Woodpile half an hour ago at the conference site. They didn't suck. Lots of soon-to-be out of work industry hacks wandering around in a confused daze. Quite a lovely sight really. All for now. Gotta go get the Maraichi band ready for the Bad Liver showcase tonight. Toodles! ___ Mark Rubin POB 49227, Austin TX 78765 http://markrubin.com
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Howdy. what fun! I will do a fairly comprehensive rundown later, but a couple of tidbits: Stubb's lineup of Wayne Hancock, Jeff Black, Radney foster, BR5-49, Leon Russell (with Willie Nelson) and Doug Sahm was rained out after Hancock's short performance. Also, the Fire Dept. raided the Continental Club last nigght, cleared a packed house and made everyone line up to get back in with a strict head count. Other than that, it's been a blast! Slim
Re: SXSW and me
At 01:01 AM 3/16/1999 Matt wrote: Here's the deal. I'm shooting a commercial in Nac. tommorow, so I can check my mail (I own no Austin computer). I'll be in Austin for SXSW. I'd like to go to the parties, etc. But I don't have a clue where they are. I'd like to meet all you guys (again, probably). Someone help me out. --Matt Cook Hey Matt, We've never met, face to face anyway, and I know there's other P2ers in the same boat who regret not meeting you. Why not just make it easy on us all and show up for Cherilyn's party and get it over with? best, b.s. n.p. Foster Lloyd FASTER AND LLOUDER "The truth ain't always what we need, sometimes we need to hear a beautiful lie." -Bill Lloyd
Re: SXSW and me
In a message dated 3/16/99 1:05:03 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll be in Austin for SXSW. I'd like to go to the parties, etc. But I don't have a clue where they are. I'd like to meet all you guys (again, probably). Someone help me out. Does this remind anyone of the kid who waits until the last minute to do his school science project? You have only had a year to plan this. Slim
RE: SXSW and me
maybe his dog ate his party schedule? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, March 16, 1999 9:15 AM To: passenger side Subject: Re: SXSW and me In a message dated 3/16/99 1:05:03 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I'll be in Austin for SXSW. I'd like to go to the parties, etc. But I don't have a clue where they are. I'd like to meet all you guys (again, probably). Someone help me out. Does this remind anyone of the kid who waits until the last minute to do his school science project? You have only had a year to plan this. Slim
RE: SXSW and me
maybe his dog ate his party schedule? Na, his printer didn't work. But he'll have it by tomorrow, really!! --junior
Re: SXSW and me
In a message dated 3/16/99 9:40:29 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: maybe his dog ate his party schedule? Na, his printer didn't work. But he'll have it by tomorrow, really!! Matt, were just funnin' with you. hope to see you at some of the parties. Introduce yourself. HEY! I have a great idea! Why don't the poor unwashed without badges wear those blue "HELLO my name is..." tags? Slim - hopefully washed
Re: SXSW rain?
Cherilyn diMond wrote: Yeah, we'll be there. Bring your raincoats, folks. Forcast is showers. Really? Crap. Anyone planning on being at the BBQ -- if it's raining on Thursday at noon, call the house (number is in email invite thingy) -- I might have to move it to Saturday. kill me, cherry lou. Yup, if the Weather Channel website is to be believed, showers and a high of 70 degrees are predicted for Thursday.Friday mostly cloudy, still 70. Saturday partly cloudy, still 70. Cherilyn, don't make us choose between your bash and the Saturday ND/Miles of Music thang, please? g b.s.
Re: SxSW note: Tigerlillies
Hey there, Dave sez... On Mon, 15 Mar 1999 12:02:33 -0500 "Dave Purcell" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: A special SxSW note for you lucky bastards who are going. I know there are a zillion great bands playing and you can't possibly see everyone you want to see. But if you get a chance, please try to work the Tigerlillies into your schedule (I'm not sure when they're playing). Since I have my elaborate SXSW matrix in front of me, The Tigerlillies play Maggie Mae's East Thursday at 1am. P.S. Are you still out here, Susan? Stop calline me Susan. Later... CK - already in Austin and the weather is beee yooo tiful. ___ You don't need to buy Internet access to use free Internet e-mail. Get completely free e-mail from Juno at http://www.juno.com/getjuno.html or call Juno at (800) 654-JUNO [654-5866]
Re: SXSW update: final
It has been determined that yours truly will have a room at the Days Inn University-Downtown. What good it will do anyone to know that remains to be seen. In my experience, there's never been live music in my hotel room so I've generally been where there is. Still. . .there's a first time for everything! See you at the P2 party! Linda
Re: Excuse me? (was: Re: SXSW)
Absolutely correct I have not been to Pittsburgh. To save a little face here allow me to bow out gracefully by saying that I am saving Pittsburgh to the last moment like the cherry on the icecream float. Doug.
Gary Floyd (was Re: SXSW news)
Excerpts from internet.listserv.postcard2: 12-Mar-99 SXSW news by [EMAIL PROTECTED] Other names that might be of interest include former Dicks leader Gary Floyd, who's playing as part of his new band, Black Kali Ma Is this an acoustic or electric band? Floyd is one hellaciously talented singer and I hope to hear him do more acoustic stuff (though there's some excellent rawk on the Dicks' compilation worth checking out of you like political punk). Doesn't Innerstate have a new Floyd record out? Russ? Carl Z.
Re: SXSW off festival page updated...
I hereby declare that I am in awe of Stacey's Web prowess, and impressed by her tireless efforts to keep everyone (the world!) up to the minute on what's going on in twangdom. And, hey, Stacey, thanks belatedly for the P2 survey. (I believe you were offline when the results were posted.)
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In a message dated 3/12/99 10:13:07 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: you're most likely interested in the latest on which acts are playing SXSW proper, like say for instance Tom Waits (!!), Dammit, quit telling people! I wanna get in! Slim np- Bluegrass Mandolin Extravaganza (WOW!)
Re: SXSW update II
In a message dated 3/10/99 10:56:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At the request of Barry Mazor, who's leaving shortly for his all-expenses-paid, staying-at-the-swanky-Omni trip to Austin, must be some kinda well-known workin' weasel! Linda
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: At the request of Barry Mazor, who's leaving shortly for his all expense-paid(etc.) must be some kinda well-known workin' weasel! Linda Naw..in my case, more like an unknown workin weasel,...you know, one more runna-the-mill ink-stained wretch with no bylines in music any more Of course, "wease"l is the highest known compliment on P2...right...? Barry Kind of liking this typing in the wee hours thing. Less typos.
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-Original Message- From: Amy Haugesag [EMAIL PROTECTED] Stacey Taylor, I think Austin Motel (er, is Stacey still planning to attend? Someone let me know, please.) Yes, I'm still attending, just in deep lurk mode after my move. I'm currently working on putting up a page of all the off-SXSW events that I've caught in various emails...and somehow I'm missing all the Yard Dog and Broken Spoke events...does anyone have those handy? I'll post the address when I finish it...should be in a few hours. Sure looks like Junior and others who opt to forego the wristbands will have plenty of options...too manyg. Stacey
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On Wed, 10 Mar 1999 23:44:42 -0500 Amy Haugesag [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Wynn Harris staying at his dad's I don't think I'm blowing anyone's cover here, but I've known Wynn for a long time and can attest to the fact that she's a she g. William Cocke Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
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On Thu, 11 Mar 1999, William T. Cocke wrote: I don't think I'm blowing anyone's cover here, but I've known Wynn for a long time and can attest to the fact that she's a she g. And a scrappy one at that.g--don
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Don't I qualify as an Austinite? I realize I've only lived here for twelve years Or maybe I don't qualify as a P2er... Well, either way, I'll be around and looking forward to seeing everyone everywhere I go. James Hand: Wednesday, 10 PMBroken Spoke Thursday, 6PM Under the Sun Saturday, 3pm Cheapo Discs Asylum Street Spankers Saturday, 1AM Pecan Street Ale house At the request of Barry Mazor, who's leaving shortly for his all-expenses-paid, staying-at-the-swanky-Omni trip to Austin, I'm posting the updated list of P2ers at the Best Li'l CSRF in Texas. Lots of folks piped up to let me know they'd be there after my last call. If you're going and you still haven't let me know, you have until Monday to do so; after that, I'll be gone. Marie Arsenault Austin Motel Junior Barnard I'm sure Junior mentioned where he's staying, but I fergit Doug Baxter and his wife, Christine Doug wisely omitted mention of where he's staying Dan Bentele Austin Motel, I think Rusty Berther (upping the Australian P2 quotient to 2) accomodations ??? Sophie Best staying at Smilin' Jim's Jim Catalano staying at an accomodation to be named later Jim Cox staying in some generic apartment he rented John Flippo Austin Motel Richard Flohil staying at Erica Wissolik's Randi Fratkin staying at Erica Wissolik's Wynn Harris staying at his dad's Steve Kirsch staying at Smilin' Jim's Chris Knaus Meshel Watkins Austin Motel Jake London Austin Motel Barry Mazor Omni Hotel Alex "I Can't Believe I Left Him Off the Last List Since the Party Is In His Room Every Night" Millar Austin Motel Linda Ray accomodations to be determined Jim Roll and Laura Eckenrod staying at a friend's house Bill Silvers Austin Motel Deb "Numbers" Sommers staying somewhere, I'm sure Tiffany Suiters Southard House Jamie Swedberg Austin Motel Stacey Taylor, I think Austin Motel (er, is Stacey still planning to attend? Someone let me know, please.) Jeff Weiss Corrie Gregory Homegate Neal Weiss Colleen Morrissey Austin Motel Don Yates Deborah Malarek staying at Laura Fowler's me and my husband Eric Austin Motel and of course, the Austinites: Jim Caligiuri Jayne Cravens Jim Fagan Laura Fowler (and too, I assume?) Jerald Corder Chad Hamilton Cherilyn DiMond Slim Kelly Erika Wissolik --Amy, wishing I had the energy to make an intelligent response to Todd's and Will's UT posts but too dumbfounded by Neal's casual dismissal of Son Volt to speak. Oh, and Jay is SO cuter than Jeff--get real, Neal.
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Don't I qualify as an Austinite? I realize I've only lived here for twelve years Or maybe I don't qualify as a P2er... Well, either way, I'll be around and looking forward to seeing everyone everywhere I go. Erm, the omission was purely unintentional, John. I left off a few other Austinites the first time too. And hey, at least I didn't get your gender wrong, as I did with Wynn Harris. --Amy
Re: SXSW: off-festival events??
Here is the tentative schedule of acts at Cheapo Records on Lamar and 10th Street. Wednesday, March 17th: 7:00pm Courtney Audain FUZE (Austin) RB/Pop influenced by World Beat Thursday, March 18th: Noon: The Billygoats (Nashville, TN) Pop-a-billy 1:00pm Tony Maserati (Austin) 50's Rock Roll 2:00pm T. Jarrod Bonta (Austin) Country Swing 3:00pm The Dusty 45's (Seattle, WA) High energy rockabilly, swing 4:00pm James Intveld (Los Angeles, CA) Supurb roots-americana 5:00pm Split Lip Rayfield (Wichita, KS) Psycho-bluegrass 6:00pm The Horton Brothers (Austin) Boppin hillbilly harmonies 7:00pm The Jive Bombers (Austin) snappy traditional swing 8:00pm Robbie Fulks Friday, March 19th: Noon: Eric Hisaw (Austin) Southwest folk 1:00pm Dallas Wayne (Finland) Country, folk-rock 2:00 Vic Valore (Minneapolis, MN) Ratpack lounge/swing 3:00 Hillbilly Idol (Cleveland, OH) Roots country 4:00 The Piners (Portland, ME) Americana 5:00 (TBA) 6:00 Stephen Lee Canner (Austin, TX) Hillbilly bop 7:00 American Standards (Austin, TX) Texas hot-rockabilly Saturday, March 19th: Noon: Honey Dogs (Minneapolis, MN) country rock 1:00 pm Paul Burch (Nashville, TN) 2:00 Three Cent Stomp (Chicago, IL) Swing 3:00 (TBA) 4:00 Hot Head Swing Band (Minneapolis, MN) 20's Hot Jazz 5:00 Chrome Addicts (Sacramento, CA) Adrenaline-based blues 6:00 (TBA)7:00 (TBA)
Re: SXSW: off-festival events??
BARNARD wrote: Is there a web listing anywhere of all the non-festival events, the SXSoWhat shows at various places like the Carousel, etc? You find out anything Junior, let me know. I still have thoughts of trying to round up info for a weekend post on the whole affair.Looks like you were on to something going sans-wristband though... b.s.
Re: SXSW: off-festival events??
Haven't seen a website, but the 3rd Coast Music issue has a lot of listings. Here is another one (NO FIGHTING!!!): Threadgills South Wed: Dale Watson 7:30PM Thurs: Don Walser 7:30PM Chapparal 10PM Fri: 2PM:b Ruthie the Wranglers 3:15PM: Trigger Gospel 4:30PM: Hazel Dean , no wait, Hazeldine 6:30: Los Hermanos Cruz 8PM; some TBA Cajun band 9:30PM: Los Aztex 11PM: Jet Set Zydeco Sat: (Kid's Show) 10AM: Red Dirt Rangers 1PM: Damian Green 2PM: EveMonses Gary Clark 3:15PM: Aaron Chesson 4:30PM: Red Headed Stepchild (Grownups show) 7PM: Jimmy LaFave with Betty Elders, Burns Sisters, Gail Davies, Red Dirt Rangers, etc. Sun: Gospel Brunch with Asylum Street Spankers 11ish (more acts TBA on Sunday) Slim
Re: SXSW: off-festival events??
There's also some kind of Saturday morning do at the Texacali Grill. Danny Young's thing. Details anyone? --junior
Re: SXSW hype-age
Club Deville is on Red River between 8th and 9th - across the street from Stubbs. Pretty cool bar. Pretty commercially responsible label.
Re: SXSW: off-festival events??
In a message dated 3/8/99 6:50:21 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: There's also some kind of Saturday morning do at the Texacali Grill. Danny Young's thing. Details anyone? Texicali Grill Friday: 4PM Ponty Bone 6PM Mandy Mercer Saturday: (11AM-3PM) The South Austin All-Star Extravaganza featuring: Cornell Hurd Johnny Bush Clay Blaker Doug Sahm Rip Masters Howard Kalish Kelly Spinks Ruthie The Hollisters Slim
RE: sxsw Under The Sun
Here is the tentative schedule of performers in the back yard area at Under The Sun... Maybe Smilin' Jim can tell us which of these acts are going to be solving their labels' problems. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: sxsw Under The Sun
Maybe Smilin' Jim can tell us which of these acts are going to be solving their labels' problems. Maybe Jon can explain how playing in a vintage clothes store during SXSW is like playing ar CRS in front of a few hundred radio programmers. Jim,yawnin'
RE: sxsw Under The Sun
Maybe Smilin' Jim can tell us which of these acts are going to be solving their labels' problems. Maybe Jon can explain how playing in a vintage clothes store during SXSW is like playing ar CRS in front of a few hundred radio programmers. Maybe Jim can explain how *any* of the gazillion showcases, concerts, etc. at SXSW is going to solve any music business's problems. Of course, the hype for SXSW doesn't claim that they will, but then, the hype for the CRS didn't, either. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
RE: sxsw Under The Sun
Maybe Jim can explain blah blah blah CSRF blah CRS blah blah woof woof. May be I can, may be I can't may be I just don't care, today.
Re: sxsw Under The Sun
In a message dated 3/7/99 2:05:52 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Maybe Jim can explain blah blah blah CSRF blah CRS blah blah woof woof. If posting schedules is going to elicit these kinds of pissing contests I won't do it. Jon, you ain't coming, so what you got the redass about? Slim np - 700 horsepower stock cars "ZOOO"
Re: SXSW schedule
Jerker, just put "sxsw" into any search engine and the website should come right up www.sxsw.com, I assume? --junior
Re: SXSW party--heads up!
Slim, do you have anymore info on this - like what the name of the benefit concert is/what the charity is? you can send it me directly, if you'd like thanks, MichaelBerick That reminds me: isn't Kinky having a benefit in Austin for his wildlife charity (or some other wildlife charity) a week or two before Tfest? Do any of you Austinites know the lineup for that show? I vaguely recall a couple of big names March 10 at La Zona Rosa - JJ Walker, J. Ely, RE Keen, B.Hancock, M. Ball, JD Gilmore, Ray Benson, LR Parnell, J. McMurtry, Aus. Lounge Lizards, Geezinslaws, all backed up by Double Trouble, Steven Bruton, ponty Bone, Alvin Crow, and others. tickets are only $100. Slim - NOT going
Re: SXSW party--heads up!
Wow, Robbie, Kinky, and Lonesome Bob on the same bill. Not too shabby! g. That reminds me: isn't Kinky having a benefit in Austin for his wildlife charity (or some other wildlife charity) a week or two before Tfest? Do any of you Austinites know the lineup for that show? I vaguely recall a couple of big names --junior
Re: SXSW party--heads up!
In a message dated 2/27/99 2:05:07 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: That reminds me: isn't Kinky having a benefit in Austin for his wildlife charity (or some other wildlife charity) a week or two before Tfest? Do any of you Austinites know the lineup for that show? I vaguely recall a couple of big names March 10 at La Zona Rosa - JJ Walker, J. Ely, RE Keen, B.Hancock, M. Ball, JD Gilmore, Ray Benson, LR Parnell, J. McMurtry, Aus. Lounge Lizards, Geezinslaws, all backed up by Double Trouble, Steven Bruton, ponty Bone, Alvin Crow, and others. tickets are only $100. Slim - NOT going
Re: SXSW party--heads up!
That's a great lineup for Kinky's benefit, but at $100-a-plate you're gonna get a strange crowd indeed Nobody has that kind of bucks excpept socialites, politicians, and drug dealers! I'll go for the afternoon party at the Spoke g. ALSO: I just read on the hillbilly list that WANDA JACKSON will be signing autographs at Cheapo Friday about 5:00 or so Cool. --junior
Re: SXSW query: Broken Spoke??
The Broken Spoke is listed as one of the official venues this year. Your wristband'll get you in. Stacey -Original Message- From: Ph. Barnard [EMAIL PROTECTED] Does Broken Spoke do wristband admission during SXSW, or are they independent of the whole thing? I have hazy and contradictory memories on this one g --junior
Re: SXSW query: Broken Spoke??
Yep they're part of the CRSF. Jim, smilin' and smilin'
Re: SXSW query: Broken Spoke??
"Ph. Barnard" wrote: Does Broken Spoke do wristband admission during SXSW, or are they independent of the whole thing? I have hazy and contradictory memories on this one g --junior No, they are not part of SXSW. BTW, it looks like Kimmie Rhodes is doing a benefit thing for David Lindley's family at the Texas Union Ballroom on Saturday night with Jimmie Dale Gilmore and a host of other people. More details as I know them. -- Joe Gracey President-For-Life, Jackalope Records http://www.kimmierhodes.com
Re: SXSW query: Broken Spoke??
At 02:47 PM 2/25/99 -0600, you wrote: Yep they're part of the CRSF. Wouldn't that be CSRF (Corporate Sponsored Rat Fuck) for those playing along at home who weren't here last year. Jeff Miles of Music mail order http://www.milesofmusic.com FREE printed Catalog: (818) 883-9975 fax: (818) 992-8302, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Alt-Country, rockabilly, bluegrass, folk, power pop and tons more.
Re: SXSW query: Broken Spoke??
Does Broken Spoke do wristband admission during SXSW, or are they independent of the whole thing? I have hazy and contradictory memories on this one g --junior Although your memories are probably hazy from the drink, the Spoke's SXSW role is usually confusing. For many years they remained independent and booked their regulars during the big week. Then they relented and gave up Thursdays. Then, when the conference began programming music on Wednesdays the Spoke gave 'em that night too. But until last year Friday and Saturday were not SXSW nights. (Chris Wall traditionally played Friday) Last year Friday was given over and just yesterday Mr. White of the Spoke called me to say that Jimmie Dale Gilmore had cancelled his Saturday show (rumor had it that Dave Alvin was going to join him). So he gave the night to SXSW. This is the history of SXSW encroachment upon the last of the true Texas dance halls. This time of year is a real drag, what with everybody in town up in arms over wrist band price, music awards, showcase slots and bitching and moaning about how the conference has hopelessly lost touch with everything. I would boycott except that there's so much free food and beer. And all the women I meet leave after three days.
Re: SXSW query: Broken Spoke??
And meanwhie, besides the Saturday SXSW line-up there, culminating with Walser-Hancock-Watson, there's the "now I know I'm really in town" Wednesday night line-up at the Broken Spoke--which includes James Hand, Charlie Burton and the Texas 2 Steppers, Ted Roddy's Tearjoint Troubadors, and Cordell Hurd. This sounds like the probable best best for that Wednesday night start-- though I don't know who've they got lined up between speeches at those Austin Music Awards... If you're inclined, Mr. Jeff Beck will also be at La Zona Rosa! And yeah--Lullaby for the Working Class,, Mount Pilot and (is this right?) Jim Roll at Liberty Lunch...or Jo Carol Pierce and Fred Eaglesmith at the Hole in the Wall... on it goes--but I bet I get to the Broken Spoke for at least the later part of Wednesday. Barry M.
Re: SXSW Friday impossible
Nice list, Barry. If I make it, you'll find me at the Spoke!! --junior
Re: SXSW Saturday
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Guess this opens up my Saturday night again. And I was suddenly panicking that it would be opposite Sparklehorse. Who are incidentally playing before the Flaming Lips. Does anyone know if this is going to be a true Flaming Lips' gig or more of that synchronized car stereo crap? Chad -- Chad Hamilton University of Texas Graduate School of Business [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: SXSW Saturday
Who are incidentally playing before the Flaming Lips. Does anyone know if this is going to be a true Flaming Lips' gig or more of that synchronized car stereo crap? I think it's a real one. I suspect they have to get back to making conventional records after that 4 CD thing they did last, which probably sold about ten copies total. NW, who kinda liked the synchronized car crap.
Re: SXSW HOTEL ROOM AVAILABLE
I also have an Austin motel reservation that I won't be using 'cause I'm staying with folks in town. If you want it, write me offlist sometime before Saturday (that's when I'm cancelling it). It's from the 17th thru the 21st (leaving on the 22nd). Steve Kirsch [EMAIL PROTECTED] "I've been thinking with my guts since I was 14 years old, and, frankly speaking, between you and me, I have come to the conclusion that my guts have shit for brains." -- Nick Hornby, "High Fidelity"
RE: sxsw criticisms (my take)
It's rare enough that I agree with Jim that I thought I better point it out. IMO, his view of the value of SXSW - or any kind of CSRF - is exactly right. Bluegrass has something a little bit like that in the International Bluegrass Music Association's annual trade show - though not surprisingly, it's on a much smaller scale. Even so, there are similar discussions about the value, or lack thereof, of showcasing, etc. Those folks that have a plan get something out of it (good example: Blue Highway. They got a good buzz going before they appeared, and they really nailed down their big-time status by doing a hot showcase for a big crowd), those that don't, don't. Jon Weisberger Kenton County, KY [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://home.fuse.net/jonweisberger/
Re: sxsw - doggin
Many of you have not gotten the point that I had tried to make. I agree with all of you that you have to make your own opportunites, network, exposure, bla bla bla... SXSW is great. Go home and tell em you went. Make contacts. bla bla on and on. The point is simply this. SXSW seems to have a good racket going with the ticket price, registration price, hotel deals bla bla bla. Damn they have got to make a lot of money. SOmeone is making a lot of money. DO they have to keep all of it. Can any more of it go back to the bands somehow? All I am hearing are the stories that it was great, but stressfull, we ate peanut butter for a month afterward, etc SXSW would not be jack shit if bands did not show up. It would be nice if the bands could actually be compensated better than they are right now. Seems to me that whoever is in charge is worried about "putting on a good show" and "going to the bank afterwards." Again I say, if bands did not show up SXSW would not be jack shit. My redneck-hate-to-see-musicians-get-used opinion.
Re: sxsw criticisms (my take)
(good example: Blue Highway. They got a good buzz going before they appeared, and they really nailed down their big-time status by doing a hot showcase for a big crowd) This brings up something I've been curious about Jon. What might you consider big-time status for a bluegrass act? Ever since I experienced the legend Ralph Stanley hocking his own CDs in between sets have I wondered how big the big- time really in that there world. Neal Weiss
Re: Mike Ness (Re: SxSW) Cisco Insley
Dan ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: He's a little too limited in the sound and type of songs he writes w/ Social Distortion, but I wouldn't put anything past the guy. If this thing is really gonna be an acoustic folkish-country record I'll be there the day it's released. A little more insight on Mr. Ness's upcoming solo thing. He's got Chris Lawrence (ex-Neon Angels) whose currently doing axe-man duty as part of Cisco's Reasons Why band playing guitar on it which tells me there's going to be some serious twang going on. And speaking of Mr. Lawrence, he and his pal Cisco were damn impressive at the NEA in Nashville this weekend. Definitely have that Dwight Yoakam thing going, but with a harder edge to it all. Unfortunately, they were somewhat of a last minute addition and not many folks in the Gibson Guitar Cafe to see them on Friday night. Another impressive twanger was Mark Insley who also hails from the Southern Calif. neck of the woods. He had a pretty fine record out a year or so ago on Country Music Town Records. Reminds of sort of a cross between Lauderdale and Ricky Nelson. Also didn't hurt a bit that he had Tim Carroll guesting on guitar. Called Rosie on stage during his Wolfy's gig and they did a duet on "Sin City" that'd make you melt. Boudin Dan
Re: sxsw - doggin
Nancy: The point is simply this. SXSW seems to have a good racket going with the ticket price, registration price, hotel deals bla bla bla. Damn they have got to make a lot of money. SOmeone is making a lot of money. DO they have to keep all of it. Can any more of it go back to the bands somehow? All I am hearing are the stories that it was great, but stressfull, we ate peanut butter for a month afterward, etc Damn, they *do* make a LOT of money and the bands see squat. You don't have to persuade me, I agree with you wholeheartedly. Obviously the players are getting screwed and everyone knows that. It's just that many people are happy with this status quo or rationalize it in one way or another. That's the way the music industry works, actually. Thinking about popular music from a labor-managment perspective is a very depressing and/or eye-opening practice. I've often wondered if there's any real possibility of change in this area, but I suspect there's not. Making music is literally a labor of love for the vast majority of people who do it. And as we all know, virtually all bands operate at a loss. I don't begrudge any successful act their hard-earned money, but it just ain't true that hustling for exposure is "paying dues" that may some day pay off in this particular industry. It's a way to maintain enough visibility to be able to perform at a loss for a longer period of time. Promoters and labels have all the cards, financially speaking, and 99% of performers do it until they can't tolerate the financial and work deficit it puts them under any longer. So Nancy, Amen and keep testifyin'!! g --junior
Re: SXSW
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks like there are going to be several cool showcases at SXSW this year. I ran into Johnny Dowd last night, and he told me that his band, the Old 97s, the Bottle Rockets and Robbie Fulks are playing at the Liberty Lunch Saturday night (he's also playing a Checkered Past party at the Yarddog, I think on Saturday). Psyched to hear Mr. Dowd will be here but damnit I've got to go to a wedding in Dallas on Sat. nite. As far as the Old 97s I believe they are playing Thurs. night at La Zona Rosa. Chad -- Chad Hamilton University of Texas Graduate School of Business [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: sxsw criticisms (my take)
If this is the case, and I have no reason to dispute it, why should poor old Garth get such a ragging around here for all *his* efforts at self-marketing? It's just a difference of scale, isn't it? Ross Whitwam[EMAIL PROTECTED] Molecular Pharmacology Therapeutics Program Memorial Sloan-Kettering Cancer Center, NYC At 10:27 PM -0600 16/2/99, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite what y'all say about SXSW or any event like it, I think that when playing a showcase, or any CSRF like it, it is up to the artist to make the most of what's available. You *do* have the opportunity to get important people out to see your band/act if you take the initiative to let people know you're out there. You can't expect to just show up and draw a crowd. These things are really about networking, getting the word out about what makes you different or better than what else is out there. If you go into it thinking that you've got no shot and no one cares, your probably right. If you work at it and actually have something interesting to say or maybe think of different way to grab some attention, the right folks will find you. These events are good opportunities, if you look at them as a start or continuation of whatever plan you have and if you don't have a plan, then maybe you better reconsider what you're doing in the first place. Jim, off my soapbox
Re: sxsw - doggin
That's the way the music industry works, actually. My last comment on the subjest, and I promise I will shut up. I am really sorry if I have stumbled upon a touchy subject for many of you. It just seems like we all love music so much, and I am not just being selfish when I suggest that we try to give something more back to the musicians who give so much to us. SXSW is a good thing for the bands that get to play. The whole experience has got to be great. Just playing in Austin is cool. I have never been accepted to SXSW, I quit send them shit in the early 90s. But it would be a good gesture on their part to at the very least give all band members passes to everything so no one is left out. It would also be cool to have a cafeteria catering set up so thebands can atleast get a couple decent meals a day, for free. With all the sponsorships, don't you think someone would want to make sure the musicians are fed. Hell, tell someone to call Fred Smith at Fed Ex here i Memphis. I bet HE would want to make sure they all eat. And last, if SXSW did these things, then the bands would be much happier, probably play much better, and may not feel so bad about how much income they lost in travel and hotel to do it. I bet if Elvis were still alive, he would not play for SXSW unless they fed him.
Re: sxsw criticisms (my take)
Kip writes: But I suspect if you're in the Joe Blow Band from Scranton, PA and you try to convince a rep from Hightone to make your set, it's probably not gonna happen. Why not? Isn't the Joe Blow Band any good? Why are they making music then? What's the point of making the trip? If the band REALLY cares about what they are doing you CAN communicate that with people who attending these things. I know I come across as a jaded f*ck sometimes, but really believe that you can make these things work to your advantage, if you TRY. Dale Watson and The Hot Club Of Cowtown both claim to be signed to Hightone after SXSW gigs, btw. I think it would behoove a lot of these bands to simply concentrate on their music and spend less time trying to figure out how they're gonna get the attention of AR. Yep, it depends on what you want out of what you're doing and you need to think about WHY you're doing it. "If you only find the right combination of green and purple, the Right People will bestow their blessings upon ye!". So then you have all these little bands desperately looking for the right combination of green and purple and suddenly it's not about music anymore, it's about green and purple. I'm not sure I follow this. But yeah, if you wanna sell your band, you need to concentrate on things other than music once in awhile. Life can be like that, no? g But when all is said and done, it's the music that matters. And that is not the message these mega-festivals send to the bands.The bands are sent a very different message. What message do you get out of this? oh and welcome to the music business. It doesn't have to be this way, I guess, but it is and until or unless you change it, I think I behooves you to work inside the system. Any day I agree with Jon W and disagree with Nancy is a scary day for sure. Jim, smilin'
Re: sxsw criticisms (long)
In a message dated 2/17/99 12:14:17 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: what are chances he's gonna come check out JBB? Slim. Leave me outa this. Slim
Re: sxsw criticisms (preachy)
I just wanted to say I have no arguments with either of Kip's or Erin's stance on this. yeah the music biz can suck, but if you go into it with your eyes WIDE OPEN, it'll suck less. Do the people at these conferences make a lot of money? A qualified yes. They are running a business, providing a service. Whether or not you think it's worth the price they ask you to pay is an individual choice. I know I'm speaking in cliches, but you only get out of it what you put into it. a positive attitude (hell, any kind of ATTITUDE) goes a long way (I'm surprising even myself here g) at these things. I've rambled enough. JC, smilin' NP: Damnations-Half Mad Moon
Re: SXSW Saturday
This always happens. That's happenin' opposite The Gourds, GBV, and T. Waits (or Iggy Pop) outdoor showcase deal. Well I gotta say, I can't imagine seeing *anybody* but Tom Waits if the opportunity arises. NW
Re: SXSW Saturday
This always happens. That's happenin' opposite The Gourds, GBV, and T. Waits (or Iggy Pop) outdoor showcase deal. I'd love to see my homeys in The Bottle Rockets play at the Lunch, but The Gourds playing a much bigger show means me and my camera. --Matt Cook Chad Hamilton wrote: Someone mentioned the lineup at Liberty Lunch on Saturday evening. Here is what the SXSW website says: 8:00 Johnny Dowd 9:00 Reckless Kelly 10:00 Road Kings 11:00 Robbie Fulks 12:00 Bottle Rockets 1:00 Meat Puppets Damn wedding.
Re: SXSW Saturday
On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:28:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I gotta say, I can't imagine seeing *anybody* but Tom Waits if the opportunity arises. Um, yes. Tom Waits for no one, so they say. William Cocke, off to buy that damn Damnations TX album everyone's raving about Senior Writer HSC Development University of Virginia (804) 924-8432
Re: SXSW Saturday
That's what I figured. But there was a chance (he's on a movie during SXSW). Iggy Pop's not bad. --Matt Cook William T. Cocke wrote: On Wed, 17 Feb 1999 16:28:53 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well I gotta say, I can't imagine seeing *anybody* but Tom Waits if the opportunity arises. Um, yes. Tom Waits for no one, so they say.
Re: sxsw criticisms (my take)
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . Look: SXSW sells a dream. That's why all those bands make the drive (well, that and it can be fun to hear all the great music, depending on how superhuman you're feeling that week, as Junior Barnard once said). And let's not forgot there's a group of people making an *enormous* amount of money off that dream. The actual musicians are not among this group, for the most part. .Sounds like big time college football and basketball. Another arena of riduculously uneven exchange due to the star-struck nature of spectacle. Stuart off to England tomorrow. Church and King ah, the majesty of it all!
Re: sxsw criticisms (my take)
Ross Whitwam wrote: If this is the case, and I have no reason to dispute it, why should poor old Garth get such a ragging around here for all *his* efforts at self-marketing? It's just a difference of scale, isn't it? .Well sure. But its also the same difference of scale that gives the rich and poor equal rights to sleep under the bridge. Or for Wal-Mart and "the little man" in Newman GA to sell records. Scale matters. Plus it's the damn spectacle of Lord Garth that I find so annoying.
Re: sxsw criticisms (preachy)
I'm willing to accept this, but I still have some problems withthe underlying concept of the beastie. we do to. That being said, I'd enjoy the heckout of playing the Broken Spoke on Friday night, sure and I would.(Congrats, Countrypolitans). thanks. After I posted I checked the snail mail and received an application for New Music West 1999 in Vancouver B.C. this May. Immediately I went in to thinking,.okay, now if we can play Seattle on the way up and Bellingham on the way down, maybe we can pay for gas and food. And if we.. Wait a minute. I'm not going to go through this again. I look at the app. and of course there is nothing mentioned about what the showcasing acts (about 150) get in return. So I call them up and ask what the deal is and to my amazement she says each band will have a choice of a wristband for everyone in the band and one pass to the conference or $100. I thought.h, where did they get that idea? And that's Canadian Dollars we're talking about, and like at SxSW I don't get a wristband as the manager. They will also cover the border fee to cross into Canada. I said There's a fee now? she said there is a fee for those who cross the border to work in Canada. hmm.She then went on to tell me the line about all the good schmoozing you can do and all the industry types that will be there and blah blah blah. Well, like I said though, .okay, now if we can play Seattle on the way up and Bellingham on the way down, maybe we can pay for gas and food. And if we stay at. Erik www.countrypolitans.com
Re: SXSW Saturday
Yeah, but The Gourds, Guided By Voices, and Iggy Pop vs. Sparklehorse or The Bottle Rockets (nothing againgst them, of course)? I know where I will be. At 'the show of legends'. --Matt Cook [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: One of his pr folks said on the Waits list he will not be at SXSW...but who can ya trust? Well, so far, it's his pr folks (was it Tresa Redburn by any chance?) or Matt Cook. You make the call. Guess this opens up my Saturday night again. And I was suddenly panicking that it would be opposite Sparklehorse. NW
Re: sxsw criticisms (my take)
Kiplet says, On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Despite what y'all say about SXSW or any event like it, I think that when playing a showcase, or any CSRF like it, it is up to the artist to make the most of what's available. You *do* have the opportunity to get important people out to see your band/act if you take the initiative to let people know you're out there. Again, if you go into SXSW with a buzz on your band, then sure, you might realistically expect some "important people" to come to your show, chat you up afterwards, etc. etc. But I suspect if you're in the Joe Blow Band from Scranton, PA and you try to convince a rep from Hightone to make your set, it's probably not gonna happen. As an ex-weasel and one-time band manager, I'd say that Kip is exactly right about this. Letting people know you're out there only goes so far, especially if you haven't been to whatever the last CSRF on the calendar was and thus haven't had an opportunity to chat up the AR guys at the labels you're hoping will sign you. It's all about buzz, really, and bands can't do all that much to manufacture a buzz (other than being a really great band, and God knows that doesn't always make a difference); it's either there or it isn't. Label weasels are people like anyone else (well...sorta g) and they want to go to the shows their friends are going to, go to the clubs that are supposed to have the coolest bands playing. Some have every intention of trying to take in as many bands as possible on a given night, but it doesn't always, or even often, work out that way, particularly not at CSRFs like SxSW, where there are so many good choices at competing times. Even if a band does all the self-marketing stuff right, there's no guarantee and not that much likelihood that they're going to get seen by anyone who can make a difference to their careers. It's probably true that the bands who pay the most attention to self-promotion and are the most marketing-savvy are fairly often the ones that come away from events like SXSW with contracts. Maybe that's because that type of band is also marketing-savvy enough to have come up with a commercial sound. But I don't think it's the case that simply doing a good job of self-promotion is going to lead to a contract or to the big-deal weasels showing up at your gig at SxSW. There are too many other intangibles involved. These things are really about networking, getting the word out about what makes you different or better than what else is out there. I agree there's worth here in the sense of meeting other bands, trading shows with them, meeting some lower level label reps, d.j.'s, yadda yadda. But all of the emphasis here on schmoozing and networking and "taking it to the next level" and so on...I dunno, I think it would behoove a lot of these bands to simply concentrate on their music and spend less time trying to figure out how they're gonna get the attention of AR. Indeed. Not that that will guarantee future success either, since it's painfully obvious that talent and skill don't automatically lead to success or recognition. Look: SXSW sells a dream. That's why all those bands make the drive (well, that and it can be fun to hear all the great music, depending on how superhuman you're feeling that week, as Junior Barnard once said). And let's not forgot there's a group of people making an *enormous* amount of money off that dream. The actual musicians are not among this group, for the most part. Which was Nancy's point, I think, or part of it, and I don't think it's unreasonable to suggest that the founders of SxSW could do more to make the event band-friendly, even if that meant higher expenditures on their part. But bands also need to go into any CSRF with their eyes open. If you're expecting it to be the music-biz equivalent of winning the lottery, you're right only in that the odds of your winning are so microscopic as to be virtually nonexistent. (And why any band would want to score a big fat contract with a big label in today's completely unstable biz is somewhat mystifying, but that's a topic for another day.) Unfortunately, Jim's statement: If you go into it thinking that you've got no shot and no one cares, your probably right. If you work at it and actually have something interesting to say or maybe think of different way to grab some attention, the right folks will find you. strikes me as more wishful thinking than anything else. --Amy "Ain't no use in hanging around/Emptiness swallows its own path/I watch my weakness go down easy/And I pray it won't last..." (The Damnations TX)
Re: SXSW - What is the deal
Nancy writes;
the trailer park. Sorry, but I agree, it sucks. We had a similar event in
Memphis called Crossroads, and it also bites ass. I just don't do them
anymore.
I dunno, just from our little world I've seen Neko Case, The
Damnations, Hadacol, The Gourds, Hot Club of Cowtown, Asylum St. Spankers, and
many others on the line-up. Those are folks that, while they may be nearing
"established" status in the alt.country world, certainly would qualify as
"largely unknown" in the more broadly defined universe of folks who go to
SXSW. If it takes acts like Lucinda and others on top of a bill to make sure
folks show up and see acts like that then I'd have to say there's still a lot
of good that can be done by having SXSW around.
If I have one major complaint (as a non-bizzer) about SXSW it's the
bloody wristband price, especially for out-of-towners. I'm hoping to get a
$65 "early-bird" one, but for those that can't score one of those it's $95,
which is pretty damn daunting. If there's anything that's cutting down on the
number of just plain ol' music fans showing up I would imagine that has a
little bit to do with it.
But mainly I like SXSW because the one year I went ('91) I saw Mojo
Nixon openly castigate all the AR people at Liberty Lunch for witnessing
Killbilly play an incendiary set and not signing them. Luckily, Flying Fish
did later that weekend.
Dan
Re: SXSW - What is the deal
On Tue, 16 Feb 1999 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Does anyone of the bands get anything to cover gas, hotel, or anything other than the "exposure". the standard package is that bands get either $175 cash -or- wristbands for all band members and 1 crew member and a badge for one member of the band. -jim
Re: SXSW - band pay
the standard package is that bands get either $175 cash -or- wristbands for all band members and 1 crew member and a badge for one member of the band. Well thank God they get something. Now I am sure that with the $400 that the ring leaders of SXSW charge to attend, and the big ass wrist band price they also get, SXSW can start working toward the goal of putting the bands up in a nice trailer park sometime in the near future. My point is this. Like any cattle call, the bands put all thier hopes and dreams and wishes into it. They pull together gas money to drive from bum fuck to attend if they are accepted, and SOMEONE is making a pile of dough on thier dreams. The least any band can ask if they play anywhere, CATLLE CALL or GIG, is to have a warm, safe place to stay for the night (even if it is being hosted by a local band, on the living room floor), food to fill them up, and enough gas money to get them to and from the gig without taking food from the mouths of their loving supporting families back home in bum fuck. Ahh, but THAT would be a perfect world huh, or a Lucinda Williams song.
Re: SXSW - band pay
My point is this. Like any cattle call, the bands put all thier hopes and dreams and wishes into it. They pull together gas money to drive from bum fuck to attend if they are accepted, and SOMEONE is making a pile of dough on thier dreams. The least any band can ask if they play anywhere, CATLLE CALL or GIG, is to have a warm, safe place to stay for the night (even if it is being hosted by a local band, on the living room floor), food to fill them up, and enough gas money to get them to and from the gig without taking food from the mouths of their loving supporting families back home in bum fuck. Ahh, but THAT would be a perfect world huh, or a Lucinda Williams song. We went into SXSW with the rather naive assumption that the festival was the place for unsigned, unheralded bands to get their shot playing for people who actually could sign them on the spot, give them their big break -- you know the legend. Fueled by the personal experience of two bands who are friends and who signed deals after the '96 and '97 festivals, we headed for TX with high hopes. Needless to say, we were a bit dismayed when we realized that 80% of the bands playing were already signed, that label showcases dominated the high-profile clubs and time slots, and that most of the gigs seemed to be already-signed (and in many cases well-known) bands showing off their latest material either as a tuneup for a tour, as a press schmooze, as an attempt to get their stuff in front of radio programmers, etc. As for the unsigned bands, unless they showed up w/ some industry buzz already swirling, there wasn't a chance in hell of anyone "discovering" them. Dollarwise, our day jobs and vacation time made it impractical to drive from Philadelphia, so we shelled out over a grand in plane tix just to get us there. Unable to cart a full drum set and all our amps on the plane (without paying hundreds of dollars in extra baggage charges), we also had to pay to rent equipment. When we first attempted to work through the festival office to try to do this, we were told that the backline charge was $500, just for a couple freakin' guitar amps and a basic drum kit. We ended up working out a deal w/ John Strohm (who played after us) to use their equipment, which cost us another couple hundred dollars. Add in food and drink and lodging for four, and that $175 payment is pretty insignficant -- especially considering the fact that we took the wristbands so we could actually see some music while we were there (the badge, which gets you into the panels and things like that, is basically a wash -- they only give you one, so unless you want to leave your bandmates in the hotel room while you go have fun, it's worthless. Cool, one badge. Gee, thanks guys). I figure it cost us about $65 for every minute we were on stage "showcasing" for our big breakand we'd probably do it all over again.
Re: SXSW - band pay
In a message dated 2/16/99 11:47:38 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I figure it cost us about $65 for every minute we were on stage "showcasing" for our big break. NancyApple: I am so sorry, see this is why I don't "do" these things. Everyone I know who has ever gotten anything going did it for themselves. And also everyone I know who has ever been signed to a major label had the label interested in them enough to get off their ass and come to thier town to see them. Well, I've written on the subject of SXSW before and I don't wanna get into all that again ;)...all I can say is, any band that's offered at slot at one of these shindigs can and should expect absolutely zilch to come of it, in terms of dramatically improving your music career. Unless you have already have a "buzz" about you going into one of these things, you'll be just one of a zillion other acts and ain't *no one* gonna notice you. If you're in a band and your group is offered a gig at SXSW then by all means, go for fun, or go to see Dave Alvin/Lucinda Williams/Gillian Welsh/and-or some great lesser knowns. Those are the only two worthwhile reasons to even consider the drive. You might make a contact or two with some other regional bands, that's worth something I guess. Is it worth three days off of work and $1,000 out of your band fund? You make the call. Kip
Re: sxsw criticisms (my take)
Despite what y'all say about SXSW or any event like it, I think that when playing a showcase, or any CSRF like it, it is up to the artist to make the most of what's available. You *do* have the opportunity to get important people out to see your band/act if you take the initiative to let people know you're out there. You can't expect to just show up and draw a crowd. These things are really about networking, getting the word out about what makes you different or better than what else is out there. If you go into it thinking that you've got no shot and no one cares, your probably right. If you work at it and actually have something interesting to say or maybe think of different way to grab some attention, the right folks will find you. These events are good opportunities, if you look at them as a start or continuation of whatever plan you have and if you don't have a plan, then maybe you better reconsider what you're doing in the first place. As to why the larger acts play, it's usually to promote something that their record label is paying for. SXSW is a media event and the labels look at it as a major marketing opportunity. This seems obvious to me, but I guess other folks don't see it that way. g Jim, off my soapbox
Re: SXSW - What is the deal
In a message dated 2/14/99 10:51:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's obvious that you haven't paid attention to what I have been saying on why I won't attend these festivals any longer, and why the people whom originally started the SXSW are no longer involved in it. Yeah, I have not read many of the posts due to my run of bad luck out here at the trailer park. Sorry, but I agree, it sucks. We had a similar event in Memphis called Crossroads, and it also bites ass. I just don't do them anymore. See ya
Re: SXSW - What is the deal
In a message dated 2/14/99 10:51:20 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: It's obvious that you haven't paid attention to what I have been saying on why I won't attend these festivals any longer, and why the people whom originally started the SXSW are no longer involved in it. I won't defend SXSW since I work for a paper owned by 2 of the 3 SXSW owners but I will correct this misinformation. Only one of the four founders of SXSW has left the organization. Louis Jay Meyers now has a festival/conference in New Orleans called LMNOP. He still lives in Austin and is starting a label with Mike Stewart (Gourds producer/manager). Jerald
