Re: PowerBook 3400 Main Battery Problems

[Richard Smiley]

Sorry about that. I meant it to go to Roger.

Rick :)

On Feb 28, 2006, at 7:07 PM, Richard Smiley wrote:


Hi Roger,

This isn't to say your batteries are not as you say, but sometimes  
batteries show themselves to be fully charged when in fact they are  
quite dead. When this is true, they usually won't take a charge. I  
suggest testing the batteries with a tester to see what they are  
producing for voltage, and if possible an amp meter to check them  
under load.


Rick :)

On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:52 PM, Roger Volk wrote:

	I need software to reprogram the chip in 3400 Li-Ion batteries  
similar to the program for the 500 series batteries, I now have 3  
brand new batteries that the LED's say are fully charged, but the  
computer says are dead that will not charge in the computer and  
that a VST battery charger says are fully charged, I have 2  
differnt machines, one is running OS 8.6, the other 9.1.


Thanks
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Re: PowerBook 3400 Main Battery Problems

[Richard Smiley]

Hi Roger,

This isn't to say your batteries are not as you say, but sometimes  
batteries show themselves to be fully charged when in fact they are  
quite dead. When this is true, they usually won't take a charge. I  
suggest testing the batteries with a tester to see what they are  
producing for voltage, and if possible an amp meter to check them  
under load.


Rick :)

On Feb 28, 2006, at 4:52 PM, Roger Volk wrote:

	I need software to reprogram the chip in 3400 Li-Ion batteries  
similar to the program for the 500 series batteries, I now have 3  
brand new batteries that the LED's say are fully charged, but the  
computer says are dead that will not charge in the computer and  
that a VST battery charger says are fully charged, I have 2  
differnt machines, one is running OS 8.6, the other 9.1.


Thanks
Roger




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PowerBook 3400 Main Battery Problems

[Roger Volk]

	I need software to reprogram the chip in 3400 Li-Ion batteries similar 
to the program for the 500 series batteries, I now have 3 brand new 
batteries that the LED's say are fully charged, but the computer says 
are dead that will not charge in the computer and that a VST battery 
charger says are fully charged, I have 2 differnt machines, one is 
running OS 8.6, the other 9.1.


Thanks
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PowerBook 3400 Main Battery Problems

[Roger Volk]

	I need software to reprogram the chip in 3400 Li-Ion batteries similar 
to the program for the 500 series batteries, I now have 3 brand new 
batteries that the LED's say are fully charged, but the computer says 
are dead that will not charge in the computer and that a VST battery 
charger says are fully charged, I have 2 differnt machines, one is 
running OS 8.6, the other 9.1.


Thanks
Roger



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PowerBook 3400 Main Battery Problems

[Roger Volk]

I need software to reprogram the chip in 3400 Li-Ion batteries similar 
to the program for the 500 series batteries, I now have 3 brand new 
batteries that the LED's say are fully charged, but the computer says 
are dead that will not charge in the computer and that a VST battery 
charger says are fully charged, I have 2 differnt machines, one is 
running OS 8.6, the other 9.1.


Thanks
Roger


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Re: PowerBook 3400 IrDA to Kodak picture Kiosk?

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> If it's possible it would be really hard to do.  The IR port on PBs
> only support IRTalk, I know no other programs that use the IR Port on
> PBs

3400s were IrDA, earlier models were IRTalk only.

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Re: PowerBook 3400 IrDA to Kodak picture Kiosk?

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If it's possible it would be really hard to do.  The IR port on PBs
only support IRTalk, I know no other programs that use the IR Port on
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PowerBook 3400 IrDA to Kodak picture Kiosk?

[Matthew S. Carpenter]

Hi,

Has anyone here every managed to send pictures via the infrared port 
from a PowerBook 3400 to a Kodak digital picture kiosk at a photo lab?  
I know of a nearby store with one that has Infrared capability for 
tranfering from camera phones and I'm really curiouse about whether I 
could do this with my PowerBook...and just how I would do it.


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Re: Reading a burned 700MB capacity CD R on a PowerBook 3400

[Richard Smiley]

FWIW, I use 700 MB / 80 min Memorex 52X media burned at 48X in my  
iomega USB 2 burner. My 1400cs 166, 12X CD ROM reads them fine.


Rick :)

On Feb 3, 2006, at 5:53 PM, Dan K wrote:


I've had very poor luck with 700MB disks in older CD-ROM drives of all
sorts, so I wouldn't be too hopeful about the faster 3400 drives (all
from the same era.) You might try even other different 700MB media  
with
the slim chance that some 700MB media may be more compatible than  
those

you've tried.

Best bet is to burn 3400-bound disks to tested-for-3400 650MB media.

An alternative of course would be to use a modern USB or FW external
drive through a cardbus adapter.

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Re: Reading a burned 700MB capacity CD R on a PowerBook 3400

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I don'r have a 3400, but I do have a 12x PowerBook 1400 CD-Rom drive
that can read 700MB TDK disks.

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Re: Reading a burned 700MB capacity CD R on a PowerBook 3400

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I've had very poor luck with 700MB disks in older CD-ROM drives of all 
sorts, so I wouldn't be too hopeful about the faster 3400 drives (all 
from the same era.) You might try even other different 700MB media with 
the slim chance that some 700MB media may be more compatible than those 
you've tried.

Best bet is to burn 3400-bound disks to tested-for-3400 650MB media.

An alternative of course would be to use a modern USB or FW external 
drive through a cardbus adapter.

dan k

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Reading a burned 700MB capacity CD R on a PowerBook 3400

[Matthew S. Carpenter]

Hi,

I have some stuff I burned to 650MB CD Rs and those disks read fine in 
the 6x drive I got with my PB3400


However I have not been able to use 700MB capacity CD R's to make disks 
for use in the 3400's CD ROM drive. I've tried Fujifilm, Verbatim, and TDK.


I'm aware that there are also 12x and 20x CD ROM drives that work in the 
3400's expantion bay and was wondering: are either the 12x or 20x drives 
capable of reading files burned to 700MB capacity CD Rs?  I'm guessing 
that the 6x one just can't handle it and wondered if maybe the 12x or 
20x used a little newer hardware that might be more compatible?


-Matt

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Re: VST 5000 charger and PB 3400 batteries

[Calypso / Calypso Bookshop]

We also got an error message after trying it. Now we have a perfectly good
battery of no use to us because it cannot be charged and we've sold the
machine!

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Re: VST 5000 charger and PB 3400 batteries

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>Can a VST 5000 charger charge the Lithium Ion Batteries for the 
>PowerBook 3400?

no. Well, at least the couple I've got give a red error light when you 
stick one in any LiIon packs. Anyone have any other result?

Interestingly, there's an eBay vendor who regularly sells the VST5000 
(@~$8 IIRC) as a charger for 3400 (and 190/5300) batteries, maybe he 
knows something I don't.

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Re: Can you put a CD burner in a 3400?

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"Tom W." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> asks:
>Just wondering whether I can put a CD burner in my 3400
>or stick with an external one?
Short answer, no. More info:
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Your 3400 can use a FireWire or USB burner via a cardbus adapter:
<http://mywebpages.comcast.net/macdan/3400cardbus.html>

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VST 5000 charger and PB 3400 batteries

[Matthew S. Carpenter]

Hi,

Can a VST 5000 charger charge the Lithium Ion Batteries for the 
PowerBook 3400?


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Can you put a CD burner in a 3400?

[Tom W.]

Just wondering whether I can put a CD burner in my 3400 or stick with
an external one?
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Re: PB 3400 Battery Question

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Justin,

   With the machines setting unused for some time the PRAM batteries 
are probably on their last legs, having just delt with a similar issue 
myself.  The Main batteries for these machines are readily available New 
and from listmembers.  I have several if you're interested, contact me 
off list.  The machine is fairly easy to dismantle and most parts are 
readily available from list members.  Recommend you subscribe to the Low 
End Mac list also.


Roger

Justin Teague wrote:


OK, please excuse my revealed ignorance in asking this question
because despite collecting low-end macs for some time now, I have
recently started dabbling in portables. I've searched the archives to
no avail.  (I did see a lot of "pram" entries though, which has lead
me down an entire new research path.)

I have obtained two Powerbook 3400's, which between the two of them
should make one fine, working machine.  I have discovered what is more
than likely already obvious to most of you: the batteries in both of
them are now  suitable to be fine paperweights.

My question is in a few parts: 1) What exactly is the difference
between Lithion Ion and "NiMh"(?) batteries, and which would these
(presumeadly) orginal batteries that I have be? 2) Is there any way of
salvadging these -- bringing them back to any kind of useable life? 3)
Is there a modern equivalent/replacemet option for these? 4) or,
should I simply get used to the idea of being tethered to the wall
with this ridiculous brick right in the middle of the power cord?

 




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Re: PB 3400 Battery Question

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> Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I wasn't aware the was any difference between a 3400 and a 3500 (Kanga)
>> battery and they certainly work in the 3400.
> 
> The G3/3500/Kanga battery is noticably heavier than the 3400 battery and
> has a higher capacity. I've used G3 batteries in 3400s and they work fine.
> 
> If given a choice, I'd surely opt for a battery labeled for the G3, both
> higher cap _and_ almost certainly newer as well.

Great, helpful answers as always, thanks Dan.

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Re: PB 3400 Battery Question

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Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>I wasn't aware the was any difference between a 3400 and a 3500 (Kanga)
>battery and they certainly work in the 3400.

The G3/3500/Kanga battery is noticably heavier than the 3400 battery and 
has a higher capacity. I've used G3 batteries in 3400s and they work fine.

If given a choice, I'd surely opt for a battery labeled for the G3, both 
higher cap _and_ almost certainly newer as well.

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Re: Powerbook 3400 Problem

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In a message dated 1/29/06 1 10 13 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

<< I slid the battery back in, and then tried to power up again and  
nothing happened.  SO, I plugged it into the AC adapter, and boom, it  
powered up instantly - without pressing anything.  All is well,  
except now, when it boots up it says that there was a memory test  
error, then followed by a warning that there isn't enough memory to  
install my extensions and is booting up without them.  Worse of all,  
when I now go to "About the Computer" I have suddenly dropped from  
what used to be 144mb of physical RAM to the original 16mb! >>

In addition to checking if the RAM is properly seated, I would also try a 
good "4-bong" PRAM reset at startup (after 1st startup bong, press+hold keys 
"Apple"/"Option"/"P"/"R" until you hear three additional startup bongs).

By the way; The fact that the 3400c powered back up instantly also tells me 
that your PRAM battery is not working properly. 

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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

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>> I've a vague feeling that this has been discussed on the list before a
>> couple of years ago and we decided that there were several distinct
>> chargers.

> Right you are Malcolm. Ok, here's more info than any of y'all really
> wanted to know . . .
> 
> VST (now SmartDisk) made at least three versions of the 190/5300/3400
> chargers. The first is for NiMH 190/5300 batteries only, the "VST Charger
> 5000" (SCH5000), with the 190/5300-style power input socket only. For the
> PowerBook 3400 VST produced a new model, the "VST Charger 3400" (SCH3400)
> which can charge the 3400's lithium batteries along with the older NiMH
> packs, and it added as well a second power socket for the 3400's power
> supply plug. With the arrival of the 3500 VST produced a new revision of
> the SCH3400 charger which can handle charging the higher capacity Kanga
> batteries. Confusingly, the 3500-capable model carries the same "VST
> Charger 3400" (SCH3400) model name. I can't recall if there is any
> externally marked revision number difference, might be, been awhile :-P
> However, I do recall that the earlier rev SCH3400 cannot charge Kanga
> batteries.
> 
> Somewhere I have another make charger, 190/5300-only IIRC, might be
> Absolute-brand come to think of it . . .
> 
> I've never ever seen any standalone charger for 2400 batteries, but maybe
> I missed it.

Lol !

Nice one Dan.

Interested in the higher capacity of the 3500 battery, as I've never had any
issues charging their batts in my 3400 charger, so I must have one of the
later ones.

Btw - is it just me or were these the best batts Apple ever made - I'm still
getting good life out of most of these that I see.


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Re: Powerbook 3400 Problem

[Sims David]

Hello,
Have you tried re-seating the ram card? I have found them a bit fickle.
David
On Jan 28, 2006, at 10:09 PM, Justin Teague wrote:

I've got a problem.  My little 3400 was chugging along really  
nicely until earlier today, while booting up (still on the os 9.1  
screen: loading extensions) I accidentally hit the battery release  
and, because I wasn't plugged into the wall, the computer promptly  
shut off.


I slid the battery back in, and then tried to power up again and  
nothing happened.  SO, I plugged it into the AC adapter, and boom,  
it powered up instantly - without pressing anything.  All is well,  
except now, when it boots up it says that there was a memory test  
error, then followed by a warning that there isn't enough memory to  
install my extensions and is booting up without them.  Worse of  
all, when I now go to "About the Computer" I have suddenly dropped  
from what used to be 144mb of physical RAM to the original 16mb!


Have I somehow fried the memory in this thing? Is there any hope?

Thanks for your help,
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Powerbook 3400 Problem

[Justin Teague]

I've got a problem.  My little 3400 was chugging along really nicely  
until earlier today, while booting up (still on the os 9.1 screen:  
loading extensions) I accidentally hit the battery release and,  
because I wasn't plugged into the wall, the computer promptly shut off.


I slid the battery back in, and then tried to power up again and  
nothing happened.  SO, I plugged it into the AC adapter, and boom, it  
powered up instantly - without pressing anything.  All is well,  
except now, when it boots up it says that there was a memory test  
error, then followed by a warning that there isn't enough memory to  
install my extensions and is booting up without them.  Worse of all,  
when I now go to "About the Computer" I have suddenly dropped from  
what used to be 144mb of physical RAM to the original 16mb!


Have I somehow fried the memory in this thing? Is there any hope?

Thanks for your help,
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Re: PB 3400 Battery Question

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In a message dated 1/28/06 4:08:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

 


I wasn't aware the was any difference between a 3400 and a 3500 (Kanga)
battery and they certainly work in the 3400.
   



Maybe I just figgr'd there was a difference, because they're labled 
differently, but I think I remember reading somewhere that the Kanga could hold a 
better charge than the 3400c batteries.


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I actually found a seller on ebay who is listing unused unopened 
batteries for the 3400 and 3500 powerbooks with $7.99 BINs (s/h is 
another $7..you might be able to work something out if you get more than 
one though you'd want to contact the seller before taking the BIN). If 
you do a search on PowerBook 3400 Battery in the next 20 hours you 
should get one of these auctions at the top of your search.



The following is something I remember from asking a friend of mine.

Anyway... the charge held depends on the mAh rating on the battery... 
the higher it is the longer the battery will go... I don't know the 
rating on Apple's battery(as far as I can tell it's not listed anywhere 
on it)


Lithium Ion Batteries are what shipped with the 3400. They don't 
develope memories and start holding lesser charges real quick...but they 
do eventually stop working once they've been used a lot. 

NiMH batteries can be used in the 3400 but they develope memories if you 
don't let them drain all the way before recharging They also can't 
be used for as many charge/drain cycles as Lithium Ion batteries but 
they do have one advantage At least with older hardware where new 
batteries are hard to find... from what I'm told: typically it is 
possible to break open NiMH battery packs and rebuild them with new 
cells Lithium Ion batteries use custom cells that aren't easily 
replaced.


I've found both types for the 3400 through froogle... 
though no where near as cheap as those ones I found on ebay.(but I 
should mention that most of the ones I found through froogle apear to 
have a much better warranty)... if you look on froogle make sure you're 
buying the main battery pack and not the pram batteryand always note 
the type and the mAh before getting deceved by what looks like a good price.


-Matt

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Re: PB 3400 Battery Question

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In a message dated 1/28/06 4:08:36 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I wasn't aware the was any difference between a 3400 and a 3500 (Kanga)
>battery and they certainly work in the 3400.

Maybe I just figgr'd there was a difference, because they're labled 
differently, but I think I remember reading somewhere that the Kanga could hold 
a 
better charge than the 3400c batteries.

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Re: PB 3400 Battery Question

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> There was another battery of that same style, for the Kanga. It will say
> "Powerbook G3" on it; they are a more advanced Li-Ion than the 3400c
> batteries; I *think* they work in the 340c as well.

I wasn't aware the was any difference between a 3400 and a 3500 (Kanga)
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Re: PB 3400 Battery Question

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In a message dated 1/28/06 5:02:33 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>I have obtained two Powerbook 3400's, which between the two of them
>should make one fine, working machine.  I have discovered what is more
>than likely already obvious to most of you: the batteries in both of
>them are now  suitable to be fine paperweights.

You're in luck then, because, relatively speaking, the 5300/3400/Kanga 
batteries are the easiest & cheapest to find. Any Powerbook battery previous to 
it 
(Duo, 1xx, 500-series) are hard to find, not cheap when you do, and can be very 
iffy with the charge (especially the 500-series). And 1400 batteries are 
expensive; 2400c batteries are cheap and easy to find though.

>My question is in a few parts: 1) What exactly is the difference
>between Lithion Ion and "NiMh"(?) batteries, and which would these
>(presumeadly) orginal batteries that I have be? 

I am sure some better qualified list member can delve into the specifics of 
NiMH (Nickell-Metal Hydride) batteries and Li-Ion batteries, and how to rebuld 
them. I can tell you, as mentioned above, that they are easy + relatively 
cheap to find in good condition.

You can tell if the batteries are original very easily; the batteries should 
be Li-Ion, and say "3400 series" on them. If they are NiMH, they are not OE 
for thr Powerbook 3400c. They are in fact for the Powerbook 5300 series. They 
can work in the 3400c, but the charge will not be nearly as good as one from 
the 
Li-Ion batteries.

There was another battery of that same style, for the Kanga. It will say 
"Powerbook G3" on it; they are a more advanced Li-Ion than the 3400c batteries; 
I 
*think* they work in the 340c as well.

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PB 3400 Battery Question

[Justin Teague]

OK, please excuse my revealed ignorance in asking this question
because despite collecting low-end macs for some time now, I have
recently started dabbling in portables. I've searched the archives to
no avail.  (I did see a lot of "pram" entries though, which has lead
me down an entire new research path.)

I have obtained two Powerbook 3400's, which between the two of them
should make one fine, working machine.  I have discovered what is more
than likely already obvious to most of you: the batteries in both of
them are now  suitable to be fine paperweights.

My question is in a few parts: 1) What exactly is the difference
between Lithion Ion and "NiMh"(?) batteries, and which would these
(presumeadly) orginal batteries that I have be? 2) Is there any way of
salvadging these -- bringing them back to any kind of useable life? 3)
Is there a modern equivalent/replacemet option for these? 4) or,
should I simply get used to the idea of being tethered to the wall
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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

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Malcolm Cornelius <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>95% sure that I have a VST one and that it uses either the normal 5300/190
>or the normal 3400 adapter.
>
>I've a vague feeling that this has been discussed on the list before a
>couple of years ago and we decided that there were several distinct
>chargers.
Right you are Malcolm. Ok, here's more info than any of y'all really 
wanted to know . . .

VST (now SmartDisk) made at least three versions of the 190/5300/3400 
chargers. The first is for NiMH 190/5300 batteries only, the "VST Charger 
5000" (SCH5000), with the 190/5300-style power input socket only. For the 
PowerBook 3400 VST produced a new model, the "VST Charger 3400" (SCH3400) 
which can charge the 3400's lithium batteries along with the older NiMH 
packs, and it added as well a second power socket for the 3400's power 
supply plug. With the arrival of the 3500 VST produced a new revision of 
the SCH3400 charger which can handle charging the higher capacity Kanga 
batteries. Confusingly, the 3500-capable model carries the same "VST 
Charger 3400" (SCH3400) model name. I can't recall if there is any 
externally marked revision number difference, might be, been awhile :-P 
However, I do recall that the earlier rev SCH3400 cannot charge Kanga 
batteries.

Somewhere I have another make charger, 190/5300-only IIRC, might be 
Absolute-brand come to think of it . . .

I've never ever seen any standalone charger for 2400 batteries, but maybe 
I missed it.

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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

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> The VST battery charger - the one always seen on Ebay for $5 or $10 -
> requires the use of the AC adapter from the 5300/190 Powerbook to charges
> 5300/190 NiMH batteries. Using it to charge 3400c batteries requires the use
> of the seldom-seen internal AC adapter for the 3400c. The internal AC adapter
> module has two ports on the outside: one for the 2-prong AC cord, and a small
> port for a cord that runs from the module to the VST battery charger.
> 
> Correct me if I am mistaken, anyone...
> 
> Now, Absolute made a battery charger that charges 5300/190 NiMH, and 3400c
> Li-Ion battery by itself; it uses its own AC adapter.

95% sure that I have a VST one and that it uses either the normal 5300/190
or the normal 3400 adapter.

I've a vague feeling that this has been discussed on the list before a
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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

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In a message dated 1/22/06 1:28:35 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

>> Is there a battery charger that just plugs into the wall and charges
>> either 2400 or 3400 powerbook batteries?
>
>There is a VST one for the 3400/5300/190, but you need a mains adapter
>for it, charges 2 batts.  You can use either the 5300/190 or the 3400 adapter
>on the one I have.

The VST battery charger - the one always seen on Ebay for $5 or $10 -  
requires the use of the AC adapter from the 5300/190 Powerbook to charges 
5300/190 
NiMH batteries. Using it to charge 3400c batteries requires the use of the 
seldom-seen internal AC adapter for the 3400c. The internal AC adapter module 
has 
two ports on the outside: one for the 2-prong AC cord, and a small port for a 
cord that runs from the module to the VST battery charger. 

Correct me if I am mistaken, anyone...

Now, Absolute made a battery charger that charges 5300/190 NiMH, and 3400c 
Li-Ion battery by itself; it uses its own AC adapter.

An external charger for the 2400c was never offered
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Re: 7.6 on a 3400?

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> Can OS 7.6 be installed on a 3400?
> 
> We're using older Sierra games which seem to conflict with later
> operating systems.

IIRC it will run 7.6.1 with an enabler, I think that's what they originally
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Re: 7.6 on a 3400?

[John Kneeland]

It needs the PowerBook 3400 enabler, which was included with the
PB3400's original install disc. It also needs a special 3400-series
version of 7.6.1, which can be found buried on Apple's server
somewhere.


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> Can OS 7.6 be installed on a 3400?
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> We're using older Sierra games which seem to conflict with later
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7.6 on a 3400?

[Don Beck]

Can OS 7.6 be installed on a 3400?

We're using older Sierra games which seem to conflict with later 
operating systems.


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Re: Bent pin in PCMCIA slot on 3400

[Caleb Cupples]

On Monday, Jan 23, 2006, at 23:28 America/Chicago, Matthew S. Carpenter 
wrote:



Hi,

I have a problem.  I need to be able to use both pcmcia slots on my 
3400 at a time...  but I just found out that the lower one has a bent 
pin in it... and I'm not really sure how to get into the pcmcia slots 
to bend it back.
I have replaced the hard drive in this comptuer so I know how to 
dissasemble it to a point.. but I do not know how to get the sheilding 
off the pcmcia slots so I can get in there to attempt to bend the pin 
back.


-Matt



This should help you if the 3400 is anything like the 190/5300.

 To remove the shielding, first you need to remove the logic board, and 
then you should notice some silver tabs sticking through on the bottom 
of it, around the edges of the shielding. Bend these tabs to where 
they're straight and remove the shielding. To replace the shielding, 
line up the tabs, press them through and bend them down.


Hope this helps,
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Bent pin in PCMCIA slot on 3400

[Matthew S. Carpenter]

Hi,

I have a problem.  I need to be able to use both pcmcia slots on my 3400 
at a time...  but I just found out that the lower one has a bent pin in 
it... and I'm not really sure how to get into the pcmcia slots to bend 
it back. 

I have replaced the hard drive in this comptuer so I know how to 
dissasemble it to a point.. but I do not know how to get the sheilding 
off the pcmcia slots so I can get in there to attempt to bend the pin back.


-Matt

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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

[Roger Volk]

Tom,

   Don't know about the 2400, but VST makes one for the 3400.

Roger

Tom W. wrote:


Is there a battery charger that just plugs into the wall and charges
either 2400 or 3400 powerbook batteries?
Thanks
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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

[Gene Osburn]

Is there a battery charger that just plugs into the wall and charges
either 2400 or 3400 powerbook batteries?


These aren't too hard to find, for the 190/5300/3400:
http://cgi.ebay.com/NIB-VST-Dual-Powerbook-Charger-3400-5300 
-190_W0QQitemZ8754144366QQcategoryZ4606QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem


Never seen one for the 2400, though


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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

[Caleb Cupples]

I believe I saw one on eBay a while back, but I can't remember who had 
it, but I think it was going for under $50. I remember seeing it when I 
was looking to replace my PowerBook 190 a while back. I'm sure the 3400 
is easier to find than the 2400, though.


Hope this helps,
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On Sunday, Jan 22, 2006, at 12:12 America/Chicago, Tom W. wrote:


Is there a battery charger that just plugs into the wall and charges
either 2400 or 3400 powerbook batteries?
Thanks
Tom


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Re: Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

[Malcolm Cornelius]

> Is there a battery charger that just plugs into the wall and charges
> either 2400 or 3400 powerbook batteries?

There is a VST one for the 3400/5300/190, but you need a mains adapter for
it, charges 2 batts.  You can use either the 5300/190 or the 3400 adapter on
the one I have.

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Is there a 3400 or 2400 battery charger?

[Tom W.]

Is there a battery charger that just plugs into the wall and charges
either 2400 or 3400 powerbook batteries?
Thanks
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PowerBook 3400 Hard drive compatibility

[Matthew S. Carpenter]

Hi,

I just bought my first PowerBook... it's a PowerBook 3400 and I'd like 
to replace the 2GB drive with something bigger sometime in the next 
month or two I was thinking 40GB...probably overkill...but that's 
never stopped me before. :-)


Would this Seagate be likely to work?

<http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16822148085>

If that isn't going to work... would you know of any 40GB drives that 
would and could be bought new rather than used?...I'm trying to find one 
that has lower power consumption.


Also, on LEM's page for the 3400 it says that anything bigger than 3GB 
will preclude the SCSI disk mode that just means I can't use PB as a 
hard drive on a desktop computer and doesn't mean I can't hook up 
external disk drives if I use an internal drive bigger than 3GB right?


Thank you.

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Re: PB 3400 + CD trouble

[michel]

Le 08-11-2005 00:06, « [NOM] » <[ADRESSE]> a écrit :
I tried a different module. And they are both 12x.

> I would say it would be an OS problem. Have you tried a different CD
> module? And what OS and what CD module are you using (i.e. 6x)
> 
> 
>> My 3400 PB doesn¹t start up farther up than de startup sound when I
>> Have
>> the CD module inside. I tried another module, the same.
>> I tried one of the CD module in another 3400, no problem. The Cd is
>> allright I think thrn.. When I put the floppy module inside or
>> nothing,
>> there is no problem at all. Starting up is normal. Is it a hardware
>> problem or a damaged OS??? Anyone any idea??
>> Michel
>> 



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Re: PB 3400 + CD trouble

[Jared]

I would say it would be an OS problem. Have you tried a different CD  
module? And what OS and what CD module are you using (i.e. 6x)



My 3400 PB doesn’t start up farther up than de startup sound when I  
Have

the CD module inside. I tried another module, the same.
I tried one of the CD module in another 3400, no problem. The Cd is
allright I think thrn.. When I put the floppy module inside or  
nothing,

there is no problem at all. Starting up is normal. Is it a hardware
problem or a damaged OS??? Anyone any idea??
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PB 3400 + CD trouble

[Michel]

My 3400 PB doesn’t start up farther up than de startup sound when I Have
the CD module inside. I tried another module, the same.
I tried one of the CD module in another 3400, no problem. The Cd is
allright I think thrn.. When I put the floppy module inside or nothing,
there is no problem at all. Starting up is normal. Is it a hardware
problem or a damaged OS??? Anyone any idea??
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Re: Will CISCO Aironet 340 wireless card work on 3400 running OS 8.6

[Kenneth Vann]

Hello. I have used one of these with OS 9.1 on a Wallstreet (G3). I would
not chance it. I beleave it will need the G3.

Check out one of the Orinoco cards.

Ken Vann

>From: "Gary F. Daught" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Will CISCO Aironet 340 wireless card work on 3400 running OS
> 8.6?
>Date: Wed, 31 Aug 2005 21:30:20 -0400
>
>Greetings. I am looking to pick up a 16-bit 802.11b wireless PC card
>for my PowerBook 3400c (200MHz version running OS 8.6). I have an
>opportunity to get a CISCO Aironet 340 card at a great price. But I
>am trying to determine if it will work with my configuration.
>
>Does anyone on the list have experience with this card on a pre-G3
>machine? The documentation I have found online, including CISCO's own
>documentation refers only to G3 and G4 machines running OS 9.2.x and
>up. I don't want to risk the purchase without a clear YES IT WILL WORK.
>
>Thanks for your assistance.
>
>Gary F. Daught
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==
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Will CISCO Aironet 340 wireless card work on 3400 running OS 8.6?

[Gary F. Daught]

Greetings. I am looking to pick up a 16-bit 802.11b wireless PC card  
for my PowerBook 3400c (200MHz version running OS 8.6). I have an  
opportunity to get a CISCO Aironet 340 card at a great price. But I  
am trying to determine if it will work with my configuration.


Does anyone on the list have experience with this card on a pre-G3  
machine? The documentation I have found online, including CISCO's own  
documentation refers only to G3 and G4 machines running OS 9.2.x and  
up. I don't want to risk the purchase without a clear YES IT WILL WORK.


Thanks for your assistance.

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Re: Install 7.6 on Powerbook 3400 doesnt work

[martin]

- Original Message - 
From: "Paxson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

To: "PowerBooks" 
Sent: Monday, August 29, 2005 9:24 AM
Subject: Re: Install 7.6 on Powerbook 3400 doesnt work




- Original Message - 

>   When I try to boot of the CD or try open the Installer (within the
> 8.6), I just get a message like "this software was not made for this
> computer...bla,bla,bla..".
> **
> I believe the 3400c came with system 7.6.1 on board and so 7.6 won't
> work. Perhaps someone else on the list can confirm.

I think you are correct.


Its not exactly like that. There is 7.6 and 7.6.1 for the 3400.
But it is right, it is a silgtly different 7.6.

In the download area for alder amcs at apple.com you can
download the spezial files for the 3400.

It took me a year to get a german 7.6.1 for mine ;)


Looks like there might be some help for me out there :-)

Hi Manfred,

that's exactly what I found out as well: e.g. that *there is* a special 
7.6

install CD just made for the 3400. - I even had a somebody sell it to me
(the guy said he was sure that the CD was originally from his 3400!!!) but
heck it still doesn't work :-/

I will try the things you wrote down on your website...maybe it will
help

cheers from berlin,germany
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Re: Install 7.6 on Powerbook 3400 doesnt work

[Paxson]

- Original Message - 

>   When I try to boot of the CD or try open the Installer (within the
> 8.6), I just get a message like "this software was not made for this
> computer...bla,bla,bla..".
> **
> I believe the 3400c came with system 7.6.1 on board and so 7.6 won't
> work. Perhaps someone else on the list can confirm.

I think you are correct.


Its not exactly like that. There is 7.6 and 7.6.1 for the 3400.
But it is right, it is a silgtly different 7.6.

In the download area for alder amcs at apple.com you can
download the spezial files for the 3400.

It took me a year to get a german 7.6.1 for mine ;)


Looks like there might be some help for me out there :-)

Hi Manfred,

that's exactly what I found out as well: e.g. that *there is* a special 7.6
install CD just made for the 3400. - I even had a somebody sell it to me
(the guy said he was sure that the CD was originally from his 3400!!!) but
heck it still doesn't work :-/

I will try the things you wrote down on your website...maybe it will
help

cheers from berlin,germany
paxson

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Buffalo WIFI PCMCIA Card on a 3400 and hawking HWR54G Router

[George Mogiljansky]

hello, 
I sprung for a Buffalo card (just like the one on
K.Vann's site) but the wireless router I got to use it
with for next to nothing - Hawking HWR54G - doesn't
work. Any advice welcome.

The install wizard would freeze and stall. I upgraded
the firmware using a G4  Mac and Jaguar (should I try
again using a Windows machine?) but now I can't even
access install wizard.

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Re: Install 7.6 on Powerbook 3400 doesn't work

[Manfred]

On Fri, Aug 26, 2005 at 02:02:16AM +0100, Malcolm Cornelius wrote:
> >   When I try to boot of the CD or try open the Installer (within the
> > 8.6), I just get a message like "this software was not made for this
> > computer...bla,bla,bla..".
> > **
> > I believe the 3400c came with system 7.6.1 on board and so 7.6 won't
> > work. Perhaps someone else on the list can confirm.
> 
> I think you are correct.

Its not exactly like that. There is 7.6 and 7.6.1 for the 3400.
But it is right, it is a silgtly different 7.6.

In the download area for alder amcs at apple.com you can
download the spezial files for the 3400.

It took me a year to get a german 7.6.1 for mine ;)
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Re: Install 7.6 on Powerbook 3400 doesn't work

[Malcolm Cornelius]

>   When I try to boot of the CD or try open the Installer (within the
> 8.6), I just get a message like "this software was not made for this
> computer...bla,bla,bla..".
> **
> I believe the 3400c came with system 7.6.1 on board and so 7.6 won't
> work. Perhaps someone else on the list can confirm.

I think you are correct.

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Re: Install 7.6 on Powerbook 3400 doesnt work

[B.L.]

PowerBooks wrote on 8/25/05, 14:30:
  When I try to boot of the CD or try open the Installer (within the
8.6), I just get a message like "this software was not made for this
computer...bla,bla,bla..".
**
I believe the 3400c came with system 7.6.1 on board and so 7.6 won't 
work. Perhaps someone else on the list can confirm.
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Install 7.6 on Powerbook 3400 doesnt work

[Paxson]

Hi @ll,

I'm desperatly trying to install MacOS 7.6 on my old powerbook 3400 (144MB 
RAM/2GB/12xCD)..


At the moment there are 3 Partitions (all ~700 MB). One of the partions ist 
hfs+ with an installed MacOS 8.6 which is working fine and stable all the 
time!!!


Now I am trying to install MacOS 7.6 on one partition (which is HFS, *not* 
HFS+)...but I can't get it to work!!...I even went and got an original MacOS 
7.6-Install-CD, that was specifically from an Powerbook 3400...But I still 
can't get it to work.


When I try to boot of the CD or try open the Installer (within the 8.6), I 
just get a message like "this software was not made for this 
computer...bla,bla,bla..".


I even tried and swapped MachID (with MachID-Wanna-Be Control Panel), but 
that still doesn't work. I also tried to apply the specific 7.6.1-Update 
especially for the 3400's (after faking the MacID and installing 7.6 and the 
immediatly installing the 3400-7.6.1-Update...


Can anybody help ?! Anybody have a hint ?!

Puzzled

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HD and other Media Upgrades - Was: Max HD for 3400

[ACFX44501]

>While I do not have the "largest, fastest HD," a Hitachi 40-GB 5400- 
>RPM drive works well in one of my PowerBook 3400c's.

I've been putting Samsung HDs (super-quiet, super-cool FDB bearings) in 
my PowerBooks, recently. Mainly old "decommissioned" Wallstreet IIs, 
which came from the various National Labs, but 3400s and 3500s are good 
candidates for significant upgrades, too. Definitely for a 3500 (Kanga) 
as it is quite powerful (250 MHz G3) for its small size (same size as a 
3400), and the Cardbus modification works well for it and the 3400.

Newegg.com seems to have pretty good prices on those Samsung drives, and 
low or no tax, and low or no shipping.

The Wallstreets can really use the storage now, as most came with 6 GB 
drives, and Panther takes up so much of that.

I recently acquired a high-end Lombard (400 MHz, built-in DVD decoder, 
DVD-CD drive), and it is definitely going to get at least a 40 GB Samsung 
as it is the easiest to interchange, operationally speaking, between 9 
and X as Xpostfacto is not required. 9.2.2 for anything which requires 
the on-board DVD player, and 10.3.9 for anything which requires X-based 
DVD authoring tools.

Incidentally, DVD/CD-ROM-R-RWs with +/- and 2-layer write and read are 
now affordable, about $139, and in their 12.7mm thickness variation they 
are perfect for transplantation to a Lombard/Pismo optical bay, or an MCE 
Wallstreet optical bay, although DVD playback on a Wallstreet is nothing 
to write home about.


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Re: Max HD for 3400

[Fabian Fang]

On Jun 20, 2005, at 9:59 PM, Cliff Rediger wrote:


What is the largest, fastest HD supported by a 3400?


Cliff:

The following specification table from MCE Technologies should give  
you a good idea:

<http://www.mcetech.com/ms.html>

While I do not have the "largest, fastest HD," a Hitachi 40-GB 5400- 
RPM drive works well in one of my PowerBook 3400c's.


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Re: Max HD for 3400

[Noah Wood]

I would like to know the same thing but for a PB 1400

On 6/21/05, Cliff Rediger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> What is the largest, fastest HD supported by a 3400?
> 
> Thanks,
> Cliff
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Max HD for 3400

[Cliff Rediger]

What is the largest, fastest HD supported by a 3400?

Thanks,
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Re: reformatting a 3400

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I'm having trouble with my 3400's HD. It is running
9.1. From time to time it clearly gets stuck in some
area during various searches. You can hear a
repetitive chatter (like angry squirrels) as it tries
to retrieve the info, but than that, the machine is
functioning agreeably.

I have run Norton DiskDoctor and does not find disk
problems but it does find "cross linked files." It
seems unable to correct them because at some point
while it is doing its job, you hear the troubled
access "squirrel" noise for a while than Norton
reports all is OK.

I have run TechTools 3 and it doesn't find file
problems but in the surface check, it finds "?disk
damage, ? run repair?" It says, bad sectors were
found. It wants to  "map them out" but it doesn't,
saying: "sometimes the OS will occupy some space that
it cannot enter to repair!"

I have removed all data and trased both "system and
finder" from the machine thinking a good reformatting
might correct or at least re map the bad sectors. My
question is: will Apple's "DiskSetup" do the job of a
low level format, or is there another idea, or (I
really can't afford this) is it time for a new HD?


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any way that you have available and to start shopping for a
replacement Hard Drive.

Try getting on the swap list . The cost wont be so bad.

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them with software.  But physical hardware damage just keeps getting
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reformatting a 3400

[Don Wakefield]

I'm having trouble with my 3400's HD. It is running
9.1. From time to time it clearly gets stuck in some
area during various searches. You can hear a
repetitive chatter (like angry squirrels) as it tries
to retrieve the info, but than that, the machine is
functioning agreeably. 

I have run Norton DiskDoctor and does not find disk
problems but it does find "cross linked files." It
seems unable to correct them because at some point
while it is doing its job, you hear the troubled
access "squirrel" noise for a while than Norton
reports all is OK. 

I have run TechTools 3 and it doesn't find file
problems but in the surface check, it finds "?disk
damage, ? run repair?" It says, bad sectors were
found. It wants to  "map them out" but it doesn't,
saying: "sometimes the OS will occupy some space that
it cannot enter to repair!"

I have removed all data and trased both "system and
finder" from the machine thinking a good reformatting
might correct or at least re map the bad sectors. My
question is: will Apple's "DiskSetup" do the job of a
low level format, or is there another idea, or (I
really can't afford this) is it time for a new HD?  

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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

[Peter Schaff]

On Monday, June 6, 2005, at 04:40  PM, KG wrote:


I have 80 MB RAM.


That will be good enough for OS 9.1, if you're inclined to go that 
route. The only caveat is that there will be times when you'll have to 
rely on VM. What would really do well for you would be to find a copy 
of RAM Doubler 9.


I've heard this is really good.  Haven't sniffed around for this yet 
and haven't noticed any limits yet.  VM is turned off BTW.



In OS 8.6, you'll have no problems whatsoever.

I'm very interested in the notion of running OSX, but it seems like 
the RAM would be pretty skimpy for that hungry beast(?)


To even consider OS X, you need to max out the RAM. It will be slow, 
but it will run. The main drawback is that the 603e just can't drive 
the OS X GUI very well.


It's a chore for the iMac, so I can imagine.  ;)


What is max RAM expansion on the 3400c/200MHz?


You can add a 128MB RAM card, for a maximum of 144 MB.


I believe the HD is only 3GB, so that's a limit too.

Just curious, but do you have a link for the hack?  I LOVE OSX!


Don't even think about OS X with that small of a hard drive. The link 
for the hack is http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/.


Here's what I can tell you from my experience. I own a 3400c with the 
180MHz processor, which I chipped to 198 by means of replacing the 
40MHz oscillator on the logic board with a 44 MHz one. With this mod, 
I'm within shouting distance of the 3400/240's performance.


My main OS is a hybrid 9.1/9.2 install, a basic 9.1 system with the 
Finder and OT components from 9.2.2. I've also installed Yellow Dog 
Linux and OS X 10.1.4 and 10.2.8 at different times. YDL runs well but 
it's not too user-friendly; OS X doesn't run well, but even 10.1.4 
would run iTunes so long as you didn't try to do anything else. 
Jaguar, which is now supported via XPostFacto, is faster.


The stock hard drive has been replaced with a newer 20GB unit, and 
I've used the hacked CardBus software to enable that support on the 
3400. With that, I've been able to do just about anything that 
requires a CardBus card. It's pretty remarkable what this now 
eight-year-old beast is still capable of doing...


Thanks for all the interesting info, KG.  Seems like 9.1 is the best 
bet for me.  It would be fun to get OSX working, but by the time I 
invested in RAM and a hard drive, not to mention the time, I'd be 
better off to look at a later PB.


What advantages does the 9.2 Finder/OT have?  I'm pretty ignorant about 
non-OSX Macs.  Just now putting my last Amiga out to pasture.


Thanks again,

 - Peter


PM: 1GHz DP/1 GB/80GBx2/10.2.8
iMac: 600MHz/768MB/40GB/10.2.8
PB: 3400C/9.1/200MHz
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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

[KG]

I have 80 MB RAM.


That will be good enough for OS 9.1, if you're inclined to go that route. 
The only caveat is that there will be times when you'll have to rely on VM. 
What would really do well for you would be to find a copy of RAM Doubler 9.


In OS 8.6, you'll have no problems whatsoever.

I'm very interested in the notion of running OSX, but it seems like the 
RAM would be pretty skimpy for that hungry beast(?)


To even consider OS X, you need to max out the RAM. It will be slow, but it 
will run. The main drawback is that the 603e just can't drive the OS X GUI 
very well.



What is max RAM expansion on the 3400c/200MHz?


You can add a 128MB RAM card, for a maximum of 144 MB.


I believe the HD is only 3GB, so that's a limit too.

Just curious, but do you have a link for the hack?  I LOVE OSX!


Don't even think about OS X with that small of a hard drive. The link for 
the hack is http://eshop.macsales.com/OSXCenter/XPostFacto/.


Here's what I can tell you from my experience. I own a 3400c with the 180MHz 
processor, which I chipped to 198 by means of replacing the 40MHz oscillator 
on the logic board with a 44 MHz one. With this mod, I'm within shouting 
distance of the 3400/240's performance.


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and OT components from 9.2.2. I've also installed Yellow Dog Linux and OS X 
10.1.4 and 10.2.8 at different times. YDL runs well but it's not too 
user-friendly; OS X doesn't run well, but even 10.1.4 would run iTunes so 
long as you didn't try to do anything else. Jaguar, which is now supported 
via XPostFacto, is faster.


The stock hard drive has been replaced with a newer 20GB unit, and I've used 
the hacked CardBus software to enable that support on the 3400. With that, 
I've been able to do just about anything that requires a CardBus card. It's 
pretty remarkable what this now eight-year-old beast is still capable of 
doing... 


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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

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on 6/6/05 1:16 PM, Peter Schaff at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> What is max RAM expansion on the 3400c/200MHz?
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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

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On Sunday, June 5, 2005, at 09:34  PM, KG wrote:

I just got a PB3400 with 9.1(?), the latest that will work.  I'm 
curious why you prefer 8.6.  Should I consider this?


The 3400 is more responsive running under 8.6, but not dramatically 
so. It runs quite well on OS 9, provided you have a lot of RAM.


You can actually run OS 9.2, 10.1.x or even Jaguar on a 3400 with 
the help of third-party hacks, but either 8.6 or 9.1 is your best 
bet for features, compatibility and performance.


I have 80 MB RAM.

I'm very interested in the notion of running OSX, but it seems like 
the RAM would be pretty skimpy for that hungry beast(?)


What is max RAM expansion on the 3400c/200MHz?

I believe the HD is only 3GB, so that's a limit too.

Just curious, but do you have a link for the hack?  I LOVE OSX!

Thanks,

 - Peter Schaff

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On 05-03-05 Another lister posted the same wish.

I wrote then;

So now that XPostFacto v3.1 supports 10.2 on 603/604 Macs, has anyone
tried it yet on either 2400 or 3400?



Offhand it sounds like a sure recipe for a major case of the " slows "

In general the same was voiced on the list for days after.

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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

[Peter Schaff]

On Sunday, June 5, 2005, at 09:34  PM, KG wrote:

I just got a PB3400 with 9.1(?), the latest that will work.  I'm 
curious why you prefer 8.6.  Should I consider this?


The 3400 is more responsive running under 8.6, but not dramatically 
so. It runs quite well on OS 9, provided you have a lot of RAM.


You can actually run OS 9.2, 10.1.x or even Jaguar on a 3400 with the 
help of third-party hacks, but either 8.6 or 9.1 is your best bet for 
features, compatibility and performance.


I have 80 MB RAM.

I'm very interested in the notion of running OSX, but it seems like the 
RAM would be pretty skimpy for that hungry beast(?)


What is max RAM expansion on the 3400c/200MHz?

I believe the HD is only 3GB, so that's a limit too.

Just curious, but do you have a link for the hack?  I LOVE OSX!

Thanks,

 - Peter Schaff

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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

[KG]

I just got a PB3400 with 9.1(?), the latest that will work.  I'm curious 
why you prefer 8.6.  Should I consider this?


The 3400 is more responsive running under 8.6, but not dramatically so. It 
runs quite well on OS 9, provided you have a lot of RAM.


You can actually run OS 9.2, 10.1.x or even Jaguar on a 3400 with the help 
of third-party hacks, but either 8.6 or 9.1 is your best bet for features, 
compatibility and performance. 


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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

[Peter Schaff]

On Saturday, June 4, 2005, at 09:53  AM, Don Wakefield wrote:


I've been using 9.1 quite agreeably on my 3400 for
well over a year and a half. I do remember some
reports of some people having difficulty getting 9.1
to load but I did not experience any of those
problems. The archives may have info as to the
workaround if you experience it because I remember
there was a trick. Other than that wrinkle, if you
even experience it, I can recommend 9.1 as solid.

--- "Wanda K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:


on 6/4/05 4:45 AM, Manfred at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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But in my opinion the 8.6 fits this Powerbook

best.

A friend of mine gets really good results on 3400's
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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

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I've been using 9.1 quite agreeably on my 3400 for
well over a year and a half. I do remember some
reports of some people having difficulty getting 9.1
to load but I did not experience any of those
problems. The archives may have info as to the
workaround if you experience it because I remember
there was a trick. Other than that wrinkle, if you
even experience it, I can recommend 9.1 as solid. 

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> on 6/4/05 4:45 AM, Manfred at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> wrote:
> 
> > But in my opinion the 8.6 fits this Powerbook
> best.
> 
> A friend of mine gets really good results on 3400's
> using a Powerbook G4 9.1
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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

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on 6/4/05 4:45 AM, Manfred at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

> But in my opinion the 8.6 fits this Powerbook best.

A friend of mine gets really good results on 3400's using a Powerbook G4 9.1
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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

[Peter Schaff]

On Saturday, June 4, 2005, at 02:45  AM, Manfred wrote:



Hello,

probably very hard to get. You need a spezial one for PB3400,
cause the 7.6.1 update is a spezial one. Be careful, there
is a common 7.6.1 update and a PB3400 only 7.6.1 update

But in my opinion the 8.6 fits this Powerbook best.


I just got a PB3400 with 9.1(?), the latest that will work.  I'm 
curious why you prefer 8.6.  Should I consider this?


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Re: WTB: 3400 CD

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Hello,

probably very hard to get. You need a spezial one for PB3400,
cause the 7.6.1 update is a spezial one. Be careful, there
is a common 7.6.1 update and a PB3400 only 7.6.1 update

But in my opinion the 8.6 fits this Powerbook best.

> Anyone have one for sale or know where I can get a PowerBook 3400  
> series CD (With 7.6)?
> 
> Thanks...
> 
> Ian Nixon
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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WTB: 3400 CD

[Ian Nixon]

Anyone have one for sale or know where I can get a PowerBook 3400  
series CD (With 7.6)?


Thanks...

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Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

[Dan Palka]

I found some 1400s on eBay but I was wondering if anyone on the list has one
they'd like to sell?  I'd rather buy one from a good home...

I can't seem to joine the LEM Swap List

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>Subject: Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards
>Date: Sat, May 28, 2005, 1:49 PM
>

> On 5/27/05, Dan Palka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> I absolutely hate the 3400c's keyboard.
>>
>> I heard good things about the 1400 keyboards, but they look the same in
>> pictures?  What's different about them?  Are they easier to type on?
>>
>> What are the keyboards on the 2400 like?
>>
>> I'm considering buying either a 2400 or 1400... keyboard is an important
>> issue...
>>
>> --
>
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> If you look around, you will have a hard time finding a 2400 and will
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Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

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On 5/27/05, Dan Palka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I absolutely hate the 3400c's keyboard.
> 
> I heard good things about the 1400 keyboards, but they look the same in
> pictures?  What's different about them?  Are they easier to type on?
> 
> What are the keyboards on the 2400 like?
> 
> I'm considering buying either a 2400 or 1400... keyboard is an important
> issue...
> 
> --

I think the general consensus is that the 1400 keyboard is one of the
best ever made by Apple.

If you look around, you will have a hard time finding a 2400 and will
pay probably twice as much for a 2400 as a 1400. The 1400's are
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Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

[Dijkwel]

I agree, the 3400c's keyboard is horrible. Compared to that, the 
keyboard on the 2400c is an absolute delight (unless you want your keys 
big!). Sorry, no experience with the 1400c.


Peter

Op 28-mei-05 om 2:27 heeft Dan Palka het volgende geschreven:


I absolutely hate the 3400c's keyboard.

I heard good things about the 1400 keyboards, but they look the same in
pictures?  What's different about them?  Are they easier to type on?

What are the keyboards on the 2400 like?

I'm considering buying either a 2400 or 1400... keyboard is an 
important

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Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

[Jeff Hubatka]

On May 27, 2005, at 8:33 PM, PowerBooks wrote:


Date: Fri, 27 May 2005 19:27:50 -0500
Subject: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards
From: "Dan Palka" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I absolutely hate the 3400c's keyboard.

I heard good things about the 1400 keyboards, but they look the  
same in

pictures?  What's different about them?  Are they easier to type on?

What are the keyboards on the 2400 like?

I'm considering buying either a 2400 or 1400... keyboard is an  
important

issue...


1400 is the best. Ever.
It has a nice thick aluminum plate below the keys, so you don't get  
the flex that happens in the 500/5300/3400 series. Good action on the  
keys, too.



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Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

[Rick McCutcheon]

Dan,

I write a lot of text as part of my work.  The keyboard on the 1400 is 
fabulous, perhaps the best keyboard of any powerbook, ever, far better 
than the spongy one on this TiBook I'm using to write this message... I 
tried a 3400 and didn't like it.  Don't know the 2400 from experience.


Rick

On 27-May-05, at 7:27 PM, Dan Palka wrote:


I absolutely hate the 3400c's keyboard.

I heard good things about the 1400 keyboards, but they look the same in
pictures?  What's different about them?  Are they easier to type on?

What are the keyboards on the 2400 like?

I'm considering buying either a 2400 or 1400... keyboard is an 
important

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Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

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> I own a 1400and I LOVE the keyboard, it is actual standard size and
> the keys are great.

Yes. My 1400's keyboard is superb.

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Re: 1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

[Noah Wood]

I own a 1400and I LOVE the keyboard, it is actual standard size and
the keys are great.  I took two pictures. . .

http://venvision.org/images/1400_key1.jpg
http://venvision.org/images/1400_key2.jpg

If you are considering a Power Book for keyboard I would go with the
1400, however the 2400 is smaller but with a lack of internal drives. 
It is up to you.

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> I absolutely hate the 3400c's keyboard.
> 
> I heard good things about the 1400 keyboards, but they look the same in
> pictures?  What's different about them?  Are they easier to type on?
> 
> What are the keyboards on the 2400 like?
> 
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> issue...
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1400 vs 2400 vs 3400 keyboards

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I absolutely hate the 3400c's keyboard.

I heard good things about the 1400 keyboards, but they look the same in
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Re: 3400 & Motorola WN825G

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>Subject: 3400 & Motorola WN825G
>From: "Wanda K." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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>I'm trying to help a friend get his Powerbook 3400c rigged for wireless.
>Does anybody know if a Motorola WN825G card will work with the 3400c?
>
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I have no reference to it on my Wireless FAQ site. Is this a OEM version of
the Lucent WaveLan/Orinoco card?

Check the FCC ID number on the back of the card and compare it to the
numbers I have on my FAQ. If they are the same, then the card may be
compatable with the Orinoco drivers.

Please see the note on Wireless FAQ about the Alvarion BreezeNET PC-DS.11b
card. It is a OEM of the Lucent, but the rom does not let me use the
Orinoco Mac software. This is the only OEM I found that does this.

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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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Nice idea, Adrian.
Maybe we can fill a table like this (please view in monospace):
 |min RAM   |max RAM|

 | jiffy | slow | jiffy | slow  |
pb 100   |   6   | 7.1  |  7.1  |  8.0  |
pb 135   |  7.0  | 7.1  |  7.1  |  8.0  |
etc.
That could definitely be a nice piece of 'frozen experience' to have!
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

[Ge']

Nice idea, Adrian.
Maybe we can fill a table like this (please view in monospace):
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 | jiffy | slow | jiffy | slow  |
pb 100   |   6   | 7.1  |  7.1  |  8.0  |
pb 135   |  7.0  | 7.1  |  7.1  |  8.0  |
etc.
That could definitely be a nice piece of 'frozen experience' to have!
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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I have a PB1400/133/64MB that has OS 8.6 because it suits the PB best.
OS 9.1 would give me more choices in software but it's not worth
bogging down the PB to do it. And OS 8.6 is much more stable than OS
9xx is anyway. Higher numbers are not always better.
just my .02 worth.
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I put OS 9.1 on my 1400 166 MHz 40 MB RAM because I couldn't find my 
8.5 install disk at the time. I needed to reinstall something as the 
headers got messed up from the previous owner . It had 8.6 on it 
then. But errors frequently occured when booting.

Photoshop 5 is limited by RAM but fast enough if you are patient. My 
desktops were in storage at the time and I needed the frames for 
class.

Word is not slowed appreciably . iTunes  does not stutter much. 
Especially if the visuals are left off.

I ran 8.6 for a long time. 9.1 seems more stable on PCI desktops to me.
I like 8.6 very much but like the features of 9.1 and think they are 
worth the increased RAM overhead. At least for a 604. Perhaps not on 
a 603 like the 1400. I'll decide when i get more RAM.

YMMV as gwd said earlier.
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Re: [SPAM]: Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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 > What's that saying? "Your mileage may vary".

 > gwd
My issue with OS 9 is that after time the drive will need to be
reformatted and the OS will need to be re-installed because for some
reason the OS hoses itself. And OS 9 Ia more of a RAM hog too.
Have run OS 9 for 3 years never hosed.
As the man said;
 What's that saying? "Your mileage may vary".
 gwd


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Re: [SPAM]: Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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On 5/6/05, Geoffrey Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >I have a PB1400/133/64MB that has OS 8.6 because it suits the PB best.
> >OS 9.1 would give me more choices in software but it's not worth
> >bogging down the PB to do it. And OS 8.6 is much more stable than OS
> >9xx is anyway. Higher numbers are not always better.
> >
> >just my .02 worth.
> >--
> >Ron
> 
> Pretty much what I was saying. Use the OS that works best on the box.
> The numbers game is just that. A game.
> And I had to laugh at the earlier reference to someone trying to get
> their G5 to run System 6...but hey, that person is undoubtedly out
> there. Fortunately, they haven't found this little community. Yet.
> 
> Ron, I do beg to differ about 8.6 being more stable than 9.2.2.
> But again, that's just my experience.
> We probably place different work requirements on our boxes.
> What's that saying? "Your mileage may vary".
> 
> gwd
> --
> 

It amazes me more and more. I know someone who is trying to run OS X
on a 68k using an emulator but last I heard it was still
bootingand will be for some time.
Now that's a hobby in itself ! More of a challenge to see how
ridiculous one can be.

My issue with OS 9 is that after time the drive will need to be
reformatted and the OS will need to be re-installed because for some
reason the OS hoses itself. And OS 9 Ia more of a RAM hog too.

I never had that problem using OS 8.6 and tha may just be luck or how
often I use it.

 We are getting a little OT here so I I'll add that I feel OS 9.2.2 is
better than OS 9.1,  but  I only use classic on my toys, er I mean
hobbies like the 1400,. So hacking 9.2.2 with OS9forver doesn't give
me much of a benefit and uses even more RAM in an already RAM starved
Mac.

I don't have classic installed on any of the OS X Macs I use and I
would never insult my G4 PB by installing OS 9, much less anything
earlier ;-)

I used to like OS 9 until OS X arrived on the scene and since I switch
back and forth I realize how much advances OS X is. If it wasn't for
NextStep and Steve Jobs we would be using OS 9.whatever.. still.

If I want frustration, I use Windoze..

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Re: [SPAM]: Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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I have a PB1400/133/64MB that has OS 8.6 because it suits the PB best.
OS 9.1 would give me more choices in software but it's not worth
bogging down the PB to do it. And OS 8.6 is much more stable than OS
9xx is anyway. Higher numbers are not always better.
just my .02 worth.
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Pretty much what I was saying. Use the OS that works best on the box.
The numbers game is just that. A game.
And I had to laugh at the earlier reference to someone trying to get 
their G5 to run System 6...but hey, that person is undoubtedly out 
there. Fortunately, they haven't found this little community. Yet.

Ron, I do beg to differ about 8.6 being more stable than 9.2.2.
But again, that's just my experience.
We probably place different work requirements on our boxes.
What's that saying? "Your mileage may vary".
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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On 5/6/05, Geoffrey Davis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >But that " Golden Ratio " of OS version spec to CPU spec would lead a
> >lot more users to a harmoniously balanced  system.
> >
> >Which would give longer lasting joy.
> 
> If it were only that simple; while you can count on the CPU's, my
> experience is that each OS has it's strengths & weaknesses, quirks &
> holes, albeit some more than others. I must say I have wondered about
> people wanting to put OS 7.5.x on their boxes instead of 7.6.1.
> 
> 7.6.1 is rock solid in comparison to any of the 7.5's, but hey,
> everybody's gotta have a hobby...
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Any version of OS X on anything less than a G3 with 256MB RAM will be
basically a dysfunctional computer, and a waste of what the computer
can do with the proper OS.

And OS X on an older Powerbook, although it is a fun project,  is even
worse because of the lack of VRAM. In fact a large part of the "speed"
in OS X or lack thereof is due to insufficient video.

I could put a 4MB TT video card in a G4 and OS X would be unbearable.
The Mac would run the OS just fine but what you see on the screen will
be incredibly slow.

It's always amazed me why people push their computers to the highest
OS possible when they are  giving up function at the same time. If you
actually have to use the Mac for anything you are better off using an
OS that is "usable". If it's a hobby.go for it.

But frustration and lack of speed ruins the whole purpose of the
computer for me.

OS 7.5 is free and there is no free update to OS 7.6 which is why most
people use 7.5 over 7.6. You are right about OS 7.6 being stable, it
is, but rarely do you see OS 7.6 unless it came on the Mac when it was
new.

I have a PB1400/133/64MB that has OS 8.6 because it suits the PB best.
OS 9.1 would give me more choices in software but it's not worth
bogging down the PB to do it. And OS 8.6 is much more stable than OS
9xx is anyway. Higher numbers are not always better.

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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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But that " Golden Ratio " of OS version spec to CPU spec would lead a
lot more users to a harmoniously balanced  system.
Which would give longer lasting joy.
If it were only that simple; while you can count on the CPU's, my 
experience is that each OS has it's strengths & weaknesses, quirks & 
holes, albeit some more than others. I must say I have wondered about 
people wanting to put OS 7.5.x on their boxes instead of 7.6.1.

7.6.1 is rock solid in comparison to any of the 7.5's, but hey, 
everybody's gotta have a hobby...
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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Le 04-05-2005 14:00, « [NOM] » <[ADRESSE]> a écrit :
 I did :-), I managed to get it working but idd very very slow.
 For the "try" nice, but not for working. Works only with an external
 Keyboard and mouse through a USB pcmcia card.
 See my picture:
 http://forum.macosx.nl/viewtopic.php?p=413655&highlight=3400+osx#413655
 ••

 Vie langzamm ist es?
 Could anything be done with it?
 Just in case anyone asks in a month or so as often happens.
 .
Slow, awfull slow(=very very very slow :-( )
michel
•  ••
Could some kind developer out there tell us if there is a software
engineering formula  to describe a ratio of performance using cpu
specs and software specs to predict an optimal combination figure?
I suppose other hardware specs such as RAM size would be involved too.
But perhaps a table could be worked up ( or series of tables) cross
matching this " mystery figure " for CPU and OS version.
Yes someone out there thinks runiing Tiger on a Lisa is his mission
in life while others think their G5s would be wonderful on OS 6.
But that " Golden Ratio " of OS version spec to CPU spec would lead a
lot more users to a harmoniously balanced  system.
Which would give longer lasting joy.
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

[Fluxstringer]

Le 04-05-2005 14:00, « [NOM] » <[ADRESSE]> a écrit :
 I did :-), I managed to get it working but idd very very slow.
 For the "try" nice, but not for working. Works only with an external
 Keyboard and mouse through a USB pcmcia card.
 See my picture:
 http://forum.macosx.nl/viewtopic.php?p=413655&highlight=3400+osx#413655
 ••

 Vie langzamm ist es?
 Could anything be done with it?
 Just in case anyone asks in a month or so as often happens.
 .
Slow, awfull slow(=very very very slow :-( )
michel
••••••
In reply to the original question I wrote;
At 12:16 AM -0400 5/3/05, Fluxstringer wrote:
To: "PowerBooks" 
From: Fluxstringer <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: Panther on 2400/3400?
Cc:
Bcc:
X-Attachments:
So now that XPostFacto v3.1 supports 10.2 on 603/604 Macs, has anyone
tried it yet on either 2400 or 3400?
Offhand it sounds like a sure receipe for a major case of the " slows "
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

[michel]

Le 04-05-2005 14:00, « [NOM] » <[ADRESSE]> a écrit :

>> I did :-), I managed to get it working but idd very very slow.
>> For the "try" nice, but not for working. Works only with an external
>> Keyboard and mouse through a USB pcmcia card.
>> See my picture:
>> http://forum.macosx.nl/viewtopic.php?p=413655&highlight=3400+osx#413655
>> 
>> ••
> 
> 
> Vie langzamm ist es?
> 
> Could anything be done with it?
> 
> Just in case anyone asks in a month or so as often happens.
> 
>> .
Slow, awfull slow(=very very very slow :-( )
michel



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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

[Fluxstringer]

I did :-), I managed to get it working but idd very very slow.
For the "try" nice, but not for working. Works only with an external
Keyboard and mouse through a USB pcmcia card.
See my picture:
http://forum.macosx.nl/viewtopic.php?p=413655&highlight=3400+osx#413655
••

Vie langzamm ist es?
Could anything be done with it?
Just in case anyone asks in a month or so as often happens.
.
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

[michel]

I did :-), I managed to get it working but idd very very slow.
For the "try" nice, but not for working. Works only with an external
Keyboard and mouse through a USB pcmcia card.
See my picture: 
http://forum.macosx.nl/viewtopic.php?p=413655&highlight=3400+osx#413655


> So now that XPostFacto v3.1 supports 10.2 on 603/604 Macs, has anyone
> tried it yet on either 2400 or 3400?
> 
> dan k
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> hotline://dankephoto.dhs.org:9500
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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PETE wrote:
I find that 3400 just loves OS 8.6
Pete.
--- Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
 

I guess part of all of this is trying something out just to try it out, 
which I do all the time (with computers that is.) My old G3 beige takes 
forever to boot with 10.2 Jaguar while my 3400cs take forever to boot 
with 9.1 and never ran on 9.22 so taking this farther, even with XPF in 
control would be really frustrating. But, like OS X on an Xbox, it would 
be fun to try.

What's interesting to me in all of this is that if you use a powerbook 
as a truly portable system, and if the OS takes forever to boot and 
really wants to be left on all the time, shouldn't there be a special OS 
just for powerbooks, or a dual boot setup where you choose between a 
full boot or a quick and dirty boot for the bus/train/plane ride home? 
Carrying around a sleeping laptop seems dangerous to me and I'd rather 
just shut it down.  I've just installed Linux on one of my pc laptops 
and it just cries to be left on 24/7, which can't happen. But, as with 
OS X, it is an incredible OS, pretty to look at and very fast and I 
can't go back to the original w 98 ever!

Maybe this already exists and a true power user could tweak the settings 
for a faster boot on a powerbook but for the rest of us, a dual boot 
setup might be a real plus.

bm
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

[PETE]

I find that 3400 just loves OS 8.6
Pete.
--- Noah Wood <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Id go with 8 or maybe 9
> 
> On 5/3/05, Bruce Johnson
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> > 
> > On May 3, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Noah Wood wrote:
> > 
> > > Also would take like 4 hours of pain and
> frustration!
> > 
> > And that's just booting up! :-P
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

[Noah Wood]

Id go with 8 or maybe 9

On 5/3/05, Bruce Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
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> On May 3, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Noah Wood wrote:
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> > Also would take like 4 hours of pain and frustration!
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> And that's just booting up! :-P
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Re: Panther on 2400/3400?

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On May 3, 2005, at 4:55 AM, Noah Wood wrote:
Also would take like 4 hours of pain and frustration!
And that's just booting up! :-P
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