Re: [RBW] What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Ray Varella]

I suspect all the tires listed are great choices, there are so many good tires 
in this wheel size. 

Iconley, Do those Super Motos run true to size or are they also undersized like 
the Big Bens. 


I'm not planning on running fenders for the time being. 

Thanks all,
Ray

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[RBW] Re: PSA: Coffee Outside Bay Area

[Kellie]

It's almost time! 7 AM Marina Park this Sat. 5/20. Hope to see you there!

On Sunday, February 19, 2017 at 12:01:27 PM UTC-8, Kellie wrote:
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> *Chasing Mailboxes* has "Coffee Friday," @foundinthemountains (Vancouver) 
> has #coffeeoutsideyvc. Now there's *Coffee Outside Bay Area *(SF): first 
> meet-up is Sat. March 3, 7AM west side of Marina Park on the SF Bay Trail, 
> near Salute Restaurant, Marina Bay. Bring your coffee making set-up (or 
> thermos), share the sunrise 🌅, be with like-minded people 🚴🏼. Only 4.5 
> miles from the El Cerrito  Plaza BART-you can ride the SF Bay Trail most of 
> the way. More info @coyboygrrl (Instagram).
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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

['Mark in Beacon' via RBW Owners Bunch]

I-phones, e-bikes, o boy! I think any bike designed around a specific motor 
system will indeed become obsolete sooner than later. And so the 
10-year-old bicycle in the back of the garage will have more in common with 
a computer sporting a floppy drive than a vintage Bridgestone XO-2. Though 
given the choice I suppose I would rather see an ebike come into existence 
if it eliminated a car being made. Are the days drawing near when the only 
place to shop for a "pedal-only" bicycle will be Leman's? 
 Maybe they should distribute Clems...

I bike, You bike, 'e bikes, too. You scream, I scream...

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:54:06 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> I haven't even read the blahg yet but will say that, as a reformed 
> motorhead and perpetual mechanical tinkerer/hobbyist who found cycling as a 
> redemption from more destructive pastimes, I'll admit to being both very 
> intrigued by e-bikes and disgusted at the thought of seeing them on trails 
> and in the wild.  Fortunately, my local land management agencies got 
> proactive about this very early, and banned them from trails (over 99% of 
> the land in the county where I live is state or federally owned). 
>
> That doesn't mean I don't often think about building one out of a cheap 
> and un-used frame, for street riding for fun's sake.  Heck, I even think 
> about getting one of those cheap, loud, chinese gas motor kits.  I think it 
> would be a great way to teach my son some mechanical skills.
>
> Sounds like it's a mute point, but here's why I personally would NEVER 
> consider buying a Rivendell e-bike:  When it comes to spending any 
> significant amount of money, I'm attracted only to things that have long or 
> indefinite lifespans, that won't become obsolete, that are "classic," and 
> that I can see myself wanting to own for the rest of my life.   That is a 
> Rivendell in a nutshell, to me.   
>
> Even if they weren't still in their infancy, I think the necessary 
> electric motor and battery technologies will continue to change and become 
> obsolete.   And besides, what do you do with the battery when it's worn 
> out, even if you can get a replacement? 
>

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[RBW] WTB: brooks b17 select

[Chris Birkenmaier]

Not sure I would call it a decent price but there is one on eBay now for a BIN 
price of $139.99. Think there is a shipping charge. I stocked up on them after 
they were discontinued and hard to find but not yet very scarce.   Watch ebay 
as they do turn up over time

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Eric Daume]

Tubed for me, though I can't see how it would affect this, if I was running
the same pressure.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:25 PM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> It's really interesting how different the experiences are with similar
> equipment... Eric I'm definitely getting what you describe.  Did you go
> tubeless or tubed?
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[RBW] FS or FT Nitto Campee 27F Front Rack

[Andrew Huston]

Michael, I may be interested in the big front if no trade happens. PM me if so. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[René Sterental]

Yes, excellent setup. I'll do mine next weekend when I'm back home.

Hurrah for the orange Hubbuhubbuhs!!!

René

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:56 PM, Julian Westerhout 
wrote:

> I'm using Maxxis Re-Fuse 27.5 x 2.0 tires --they measure just over 51mm
> mounted after a week or so on the rims.
>
> The fenders are VO 700x63 fluted aluminum fenders. Did a slight massage of
> the fenders following Anton Tutter's tutorial  http://tinyurl.com/n8wy8cb
>  to get the fender line where I wanted it -- but they were pretty close
> out of the box. I've got plenty of clearance --as you can see in this
> closeup of the front wheel. In the back I spaced out from the kickstand
> plate about 1 cm using an old cork.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 5:22:13 PM UTC-5, René wrote:
>>
>> Wonderful!
>>
>> What tires and fenders are you using? I'm going to try to install (and
>> rinko the front fender) the Honjo smooth 650b x 62mm fender over the
>> Switchback Hill tires, even though Compass recommends going with a wider
>> one that they don't have or know about yet. They recommend going 40% wider
>> but also stated to ensure there are at least 25mm of clearance between the
>> fender and the tire.
>>
>> On the fork, there is currently 25mm of clearance (plenty more in the
>> rear) so I need to go with a really thin daruma, or else, use an L-bracket.
>>
>> How much clearance do you have?
>>
>> René
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:37 PM Kieran J  wrote:
>>
>>> Cool, thanks for that !
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:

 KJ,

 From the pedal axle to the top of the saddle is  105.5 cm.

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL

 On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:17:52 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Very nice! What's the captain's saddle height in the picture?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>> I finished building our large HHH last night. We took it on a 14 mile
>> shake down ride this morning in ridiculous 25-30 mph winds. Tried to stay
>> with sidewinds, HHH dealt with them well.
>>
>> This is our third tandem (second in current fleet -- the other is a
>> custom S&S Bilenky tourer). The initial ride indicates the HHH will be 
>> lots
>> of fun. The orange is a lot brighter than we expected, but it's growing 
>> on
>> us.
>>
>> It's been quite the Rivendell May here -- my 65cm green Clem arrived
>> last week -- set it up with Chocomoose bars -- also lots of fun.
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
>>
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Re: [RBW] Dyno wiring

[Tim Butterfield]

Peter,

I suspect you are correct.  I just left the mount in the same position as
when I received my AHH from RBW.  I don't recall who assembled it or know
why they did it that way.  In the RBW picture of the light as mounted, it
is on the right side of the rack while mine came with the light mounted on
the left side of the rack.

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/lights/products/busch-muller-iq-x-dynamo-headlight?variant=23336360577

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1403/7343/products/LTD-17-3_1024x1024.jpg

Why do some people prefer to mount the dyno light on the right side instead
of on the left side?  Is this just personal preference or are there
different benefits of one choice vs the other?

The wire run is shorter on the right, thus necessitating the wrapping as
shown in the above picture.  I guess the wire could probably also be
wrapped around the flat center piece of the rack just in front of the mount
screws to keep the run cleaner down the side.

Tim

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:43 PM, Peter White  wrote:

> Tim,
>
> If I am seeing this correctly, you could have a simpler setup if you
> rotate the mount 180 degrees and attach the light to the threaded eyelet
> hanging from the rack. The IQ-X can be either right-side-up or
> up-side-down. Just rotate the mount.
>
> PJW
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Tim Butterfield <
> timbutterfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> My picture didn't seem to come through.  Here's the link:
>> https://flic.kr/p/UVECZ6
>>
>> Tim
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Tim Butterfield <
>> timbutterfi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On my Homer, I have the light on the left and run the wire up and
>>> through the Mark's rack and down the other side.
>>> From the light, the wire goes
>>> up to and over the front of the left rear support
>>> down and under the left edge of the rack
>>> diagonally through the rack to the front of the right rear support
>>> up and over the right rear support
>>> down and through a zip tie just above the fork rack mount
>>> down the fork and through another zip tie at the bottom of the fork
>>> and then into the dyno connection
>>>
>>>  I haven't used it enough to know whether it is a good setup or not.
>>>
>>> Tim
>>>
>>>

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Garth]

   
Whatever floats your boat , enjoy the view .

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Re: [RBW] P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[Patrick Moore]

You don't need to worry about P clamps and even a fully stuffed Nelson, and
people do loaded tours with P clamps. You can also get *nice* clamps for
stays and fork from thetouringstore.com.

But me, I'd get brazeons -- why not? Sure they're permanent, but what harm
do they do, except to your wallet?



On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:43 PM, Mike K.  wrote:

> Howdy folks,
> Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's blue
> and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently
> occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with
> p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and
> I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is
> stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.
>
> Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap,
> but could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if
> I was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.
>
> There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new braze-ons
> for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless I have to
> since it's considerably more permanent of an option.
>
> - Mike in ATX
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Re: [RBW] Dyno wiring

[Peter White]

Tim,

If I am seeing this correctly, you could have a simpler setup if you rotate
the mount 180 degrees and attach the light to the threaded eyelet hanging
from the rack. The IQ-X can be either right-side-up or up-side-down. Just
rotate the mount.

PJW

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:37 PM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> My picture didn't seem to come through.  Here's the link:
> https://flic.kr/p/UVECZ6
>
> Tim
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Tim Butterfield  > wrote:
>
>> On my Homer, I have the light on the left and run the wire up and through
>> the Mark's rack and down the other side.
>> From the light, the wire goes
>> up to and over the front of the left rear support
>> down and under the left edge of the rack
>> diagonally through the rack to the front of the right rear support
>> up and over the right rear support
>> down and through a zip tie just above the fork rack mount
>> down the fork and through another zip tie at the bottom of the fork
>> and then into the dyno connection
>>
>>  I haven't used it enough to know whether it is a good setup or not.
>>
>> Tim
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Carla Waugh 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> If you have a dyno hub on the front wheel and a small Nitto front rack
>>> on your Sam can you please post a pic with the wiring showing? If you love
>>> your setup let me know which hub and light you used.  Thanks
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[René Sterental]

Wonderful!

What tires and fenders are you using? I'm going to try to install (and
rinko the front fender) the Honjo smooth 650b x 62mm fender over the
Switchback Hill tires, even though Compass recommends going with a wider
one that they don't have or know about yet. They recommend going 40% wider
but also stated to ensure there are at least 25mm of clearance between the
fender and the tire.

On the fork, there is currently 25mm of clearance (plenty more in the rear)
so I need to go with a really thin daruma, or else, use an L-bracket.

How much clearance do you have?

René

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:37 PM Kieran J  wrote:

> Cool, thanks for that !
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>> KJ,
>>
>> From the pedal axle to the top of the saddle is  105.5 cm.
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:17:52 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>>
>>> Very nice! What's the captain's saddle height in the picture?
>>>
>>> KJ
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:

 I finished building our large HHH last night. We took it on a 14 mile
 shake down ride this morning in ridiculous 25-30 mph winds. Tried to stay
 with sidewinds, HHH dealt with them well.

 This is our third tandem (second in current fleet -- the other is a
 custom S&S Bilenky tourer). The initial ride indicates the HHH will be lots
 of fun. The orange is a lot brighter than we expected, but it's growing on
 us.

 It's been quite the Rivendell May here -- my 65cm green Clem arrived
 last week -- set it up with Chocomoose bars -- also lots of fun.

 Julian Westerhout
 Bloomington, IL

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Re: [RBW] What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[René Sterental]

I did mount the Compass Switchback Hill, 650b x 48mm and they look perfect.
I got the regular version, not the super light at their recommendation.
Haven't really ridden it yet, other than coast in my backyard as I'm still
waiting for the Motolites (Paul had some issue with one of their machines
and it has caused a big delay in making the parts that hold the brake pads,
apparently; they promised they'd ship by the end of this week, but I'm not
traveling on business and won't be home till Friday. I expect to be able to
go on my first tandem ride during the Memorial Day Weekend!

René

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:57 PM Bill Lindsay  wrote:

> Good call on the Beat Farmers
>
> I'm using a set of Pacenti Quasi Motos
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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Belopsky]

I would certainly ride a cargo bike with an electric motor

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[RBW] Re: Sam fenders

[Ron Mc]

Not on Sam, but with Barlow Pass, I'm running 43mm Honjo NM29-700N from 
Jitensha, and they're a perfect match.  What I like about Jitensha is they 
sell un-drilled fender blanks, so you put all the holes right where you 
need them.  
Mine are fluted, but the sell the same size hammered, HI27-700CN
They also sell all their hardware separately, so you can get just the 
mounting stuff you want.  - They are not inexpensive  


 


I think you can fit wider fenders and tires on a Sam.  


On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 3:54:10 PM UTC-5, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> What fenders are you using with Compass Barlow Pass tires and a 700c Sam. 
> I tried the copper colored Handsome Devil fenders and they don't work. 
> Ideas? 

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[RBW] FS or FT Nitto Campee 27F Front Rack

[Michael Morrissey]

Where are you? I have the Nitto / Rivendell "big front rack" I would trade. 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Joe Bernard]

I'd just like to say I appreciate everyone's comments on this topic, and 
realize it's a touchy one for many. My goal isn't to hijack a Riv forum for 
ebike talk, I'm just chiming in about a topic that has come up several times 
recently on The Blahg. Ebikes are THE big discussion in the bicycle industry 
right now, and I obviously like fiddling with and riding them. But it's not for 
everybody and I respect that. 

Joe Bernard
Vallejo, CA. 

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[RBW] Sam fenders

[Carla Waugh]

What fenders are you using with Compass Barlow Pass tires and a 700c Sam. I 
tried the copper colored Handsome Devil fenders and they don't work. Ideas? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Joe Bernard]

I also have a Haibike from Germany with a Yamaha mid-drive built into a 
dedicated ebike frame..this is the type you're seeing in your shop. 

Here's a link to the place I got my folder, which will give you an idea how 
these kits fit on standard frames. My folder started with a small battery 
hanging from the saddle, but I added a rack and put the battery in a Trunksack 
so I could run my Carradice off the saddle. As you can see, the standard-style 
bikes use the water bottle mounts on the downtube so all the weight is 
centralized low on the frame. I like that everything else including wheels is 
normal bike parts. 

https://lunacycle.com/

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[RBW] Re: P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[Ron Mc]

Front and rear, I've mounted racks and fenders to the same dropout bosses.  


  


The front with long stays requires a standoff to keep the stays off the 
fork - used these from Rivendell

https://www.rivbike.com/collections/racks/products/rack-hardware-thick-washer-spacer-each
 
 




Also used the Tubus variant of P-clamps, and like these a lot better than 
the P-kind.   

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Tim Gavin]

That's kinda neat.  I didn't realize there were any mid-drive kits that
could be retrofitted to a normal BB.  All the mid-drive setups I've seen
are big bricks.  But then, I'm not in the e-bike market (except for the new
ones that go through our shop).

Still, it would be best if the battery were mounted low in the main
triangle.  Like I said, a horizontal mid-tube (like on the Rosco Road
bikes) seems like a nice place to frame that battery.
Riv's long chainstays also could provide vertical space behind the seat
tube.

Obviously that's not an option on a folding bike like yours.  Yours seems
pretty well-integrated, given the challenges.


On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 3:05 PM, Joe Bernard  wrote:

> I don't want to get too far into the technical weeds here, but the Bafang
> mid-drive kits fit into the BB shell without any modifications to the
> frame. A Rosco Bubbe liftatube frame would match very well with one. Here's
> a pic of my new folder with the kit. Note Riv Sackville content!
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 6:31:06 AM UTC-7, Tim Gavin wrote:
> > I don't see Rivendell as the shop you'd think of to go buy an e-bike.
> > And I doubt that Riv would "put some bikes together with the latest
> mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available".  A mid-drive
> motor would wreck the aesthetics of the classic diamond frame that Riv
> celebrates, and the frame needs to be designed around the big mid-drive
> motor.
> > A wheel-motor kit, while a less-efficient e-bike design, seems more like
> something Riv would do (as at least one listmember already has).  I could
> see Riv using a "Roscoe tube" to frame the battery, but not using the big
> TIG'ed plate required for a mid-drive.
> >
> >
> > I work part-time at a shop that is one of the biggest e-bike dealers in
> the Midwest.  The shop's owner (3r-generation) embraced e-bikes early-on
> (about 5 years ago), and learned all the bugs and tricks.  So, customers
> drive in from 5 hours away to buy from him, because he carries a decent
> line-up and fully supports the e-bikes, electronics and all.
> > Many shops struggle with e-bikes due to the electronics.  Early e-bikes
> definitely suffered from poor design and electrical glitches.
> > Now, our best-selling e-bike models are European imports from Kalkhoff
> and Haibike, with the Bosch mid-drive kits.  Mid-drive seems to be the best
> design, but it's ugly.  One benefit of mid-drive is that it only works as
> pedal-assist; no throttle, no electric-only drive mode (aka moped).
> >
> >
> > Personally, I don't see myself using an e-bike any time soon.  But I
> agree that they are here, and that they serve needs for some people.  For
> some, they're a gateway to non-E cycling, and for others they're a way to
> keep riding after they couldn't on their own.
> > I agree that some e-riders (most often those with throttle "e-mopeds")
> can be irresponsible, riding too fast on cycle paths.
> > But I also agree that, if e-bikes are increasing ridership and facility
> usage, that will result in more and better cycling accommodations for all
> of us.
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Brad  wrote:
> >
> > I wouldn't buy one right now. But if I had mobility problems that
> prevented me from pedaling my bike, I'd seriously consider it.
> >
> >
> > I live in NYC and ebikes are everywhere, mostly being ridden by people
> delivering food. I live in Queens and commute into Manhattan by bike via
> the Williamsburg Bridge. In April 2019, the L train, the primary subway
> connecting Northern Brooklyn to Manhattan, will shut down for 15 months for
> repairs. The subway carries 250,000 straphangers a day. It's going to be a
> huge mess as the adjacent subways don't have the capacity to absorb the
> excess riders and traffic on the Williamsburg Bridge already moves slowly
> at rush hour. I expect the Williamsburg bridge bike lane to get crowded and
> it wouldn't surprise me if a significant number of riders discover
> ebikes as the easiest way to get to work. So, the train shut-down
> and ebike prices dropping and quality rising might be the series of events
> that pushes ebikes into the mainstream here. If it happens, it will be
> interesting to see how it affects cycling infrastructure here.
> >
> >
> > Brad
> > Queens
> >
> > On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:53:44 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:Grant
> mentioned ebikes again on the BLAHG, and even made a faint reference to a
> possible future where they would sell one. I know it's not his thing, but
> he was discussing it in reference to a cycling industry gradually accepting
> that ebikes are here to stay.
> > So my question. If Rivendell put some bikes together with the latest
> mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available, would you buy
> one? We're talking about pedal bikes that can be ridden with low or no
> assist, not 'hit the throttle and hang on' like a scooter. I think a kitted
> Clem or Hunqapillar would be fun, plus useful as commuters.
> >
> >
> >
> >

[RBW] Re: P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[lconley]

They even used to make a widget for the no eyelet Campy dropouts that 
allowed you to put the bolt through the open triangle in the rear dropout 
so you didn't need to use a P-clamp. 
I will readily trade some wisdom for some youth.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 4:01:14 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:

> This is definitely just a case of being green behind the ears. As soon as 
> it was said, it was painfully obvious.
>
> Thanks for the wisdom, and if you feel so inclined, I won't deprive anyone 
> the chance of poking fun at the stupid young guy.
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:52:16 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>>
>> Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, we didn't have two sets of eyelets 
>> on our Campy dropouts, just one (or none). We used longer bolts and put the 
>> rack next to the frame and the fenders outboard of the rack. Seemed to work 
>> fine.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>>>
>>> Howdy folks,
>>> Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's 
>>> blue and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently 
>>> occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with 
>>> p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and 
>>> I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is 
>>> stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.
>>>
>>> Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap, 
>>> but could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if 
>>> I was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.
>>>
>>> There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new 
>>> braze-ons for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless 
>>> I have to since it's considerably more permanent of an option.
>>>
>>> - Mike in ATX
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[Mike K.]

This is definitely just a case of being green behind the ears. As soon as 
it was said, it was painfully obvious.

Thanks for the wisdom, and if you feel so inclined, I won't deprive anyone 
the chance of poking fun at the stupid young guy.


On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:52:16 PM UTC-5, lconley wrote:
>
> Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, we didn't have two sets of eyelets 
> on our Campy dropouts, just one (or none). We used longer bolts and put the 
> rack next to the frame and the fenders outboard of the rack. Seemed to work 
> fine.
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>>
>> Howdy folks,
>> Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's 
>> blue and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently 
>> occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with 
>> p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and 
>> I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is 
>> stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.
>>
>> Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap, 
>> but could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if 
>> I was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.
>>
>> There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new 
>> braze-ons for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless 
>> I have to since it's considerably more permanent of an option.
>>
>> - Mike in ATX
>>
>

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[RBW] What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Bill Lindsay]

Good call on the Beat Farmers

I'm using a set of Pacenti Quasi Motos 

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yakima rooftop tandem rack; two single bike rook mounts, 4-bike hitch mount.

[Julian Westerhout]

Rick, 

I just sent you an email. 

Julian. 

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:55:09 PM UTC-5, Rick wrote:
>
> Howdy, I'll take that Sidewinder off your hands if you still got it.  
> Tried to reply to author, got rejected.  You can reach me 
> at richardholcombATyahoo.com off list.
>
> Rick.
>
>>
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[RBW] Re: What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Julian Westerhout]

Ray, 

I mounted a pair of Maxxis Re-Fuse 27.5 x 2.0 -- they measure just over 
51mm mounted after a week or so on the rims.

They work great with VO 700x63 fluted aluminum fenders. Did a slight 
massage of the fenders following Anton Tutter's tutorial  
http://tinyurl.com/n8wy8cb  to get the fender line where I wanted it -- but 
they were pretty close out of the box. 


Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 61701
 

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:00:45 PM UTC-5, Ray Varella wrote:
>
>
> Just curious what sort of tire choices people are making for their 
> tandems. 
>
> I'm thinking about starting with something in the 2.00"-2.25". 
> Schwalbe and Continental both have some nice looking tires. 
> The Riv site is currently out on a couple of them but I can wait for a 
> little while. 
> The largest Compass tires are a bit smaller than what I want. 
> I've been running Schwalbe Thunder Burts on a single for a few months and 
> they are great but might be a bit less sturdy for a tandem than I want. 
>
>
> The HHH has a theme song by the Beat Farmers called "Happy Boy"
> It seems rather fitting, cue the kazoo. 
>
> Ray
>
>

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[RBW] Re: FS: Yakima rooftop tandem rack; two single bike rook mounts, 4-bike hitch mount.

['Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

Howdy, I'll take that Sidewinder off your hands if you still got it.  Tried 
to reply to author, got rejected.  You can reach me 
at richardholcombATyahoo.com off list.

Rick.

>
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[RBW] Re: P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[lconley]

Back when dinosaurs roamed the earth, we didn't have two sets of eyelets on 
our Campy dropouts, just one (or none). We used longer bolts and put the 
rack next to the frame and the fenders outboard of the rack. Seemed to work 
fine.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 3:43:17 PM UTC-4, Mike K. wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
> Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's blue 
> and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently 
> occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with 
> p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and 
> I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is 
> stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.
>
> Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap, 
> but could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if 
> I was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.
>
> There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new braze-ons 
> for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless I have to 
> since it's considerably more permanent of an option.
>
> - Mike in ATX
>

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Re: [RBW] P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[Steve Palincsar]

What's wrong with mounting both the rack and fenders on one set of 
eyelets?  People do it all the time, you just need longer bolts.   And 
yes, they are strong enough; they're made to take that kind of load.



On 05/18/2017 03:43 PM, Mike K. wrote:

Howdy folks,
Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's 
blue and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are 
currently occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear 
rack with p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put 
panniers on it and I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't 
actually know which is stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.


Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson 
longflap, but could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier 
or two on it if I was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a 
weekend tour.


There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new 
braze-ons for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road 
unless I have to since it's considerably more permanent of an option.




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Re: [RBW] P-clamps of new braze-ons for rear rack?

[Tim Gavin]

Just double up the rack and fenders on the single eyelet.  It's not a big
deal at all.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 2:42 PM, Mike K.  wrote:

> Howdy folks,
> Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's blue
> and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently
> occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with
> p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and
> I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is
> stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.
>
> Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap,
> but could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if
> I was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.
>
> There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new braze-ons
> for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless I have to
> since it's considerably more permanent of an option.
>
> - Mike in ATX
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[RBW] P-clamps or new Braze-ons for rear rack?

[Mike K.]

Howdy folks,
Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's blue 
and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently 
occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with 
p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and 
I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is 
stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.

Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap, but 
could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if I 
was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.

There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new braze-ons 
for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless I have to 
since it's considerably more permanent of an option.

- Mike in ATX

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[RBW] P-clamps of new braze-ons for rear rack?

[Mike K.]

Howdy folks,
Trying to figure out the best way to get a rear rack on the Ram. It's blue 
and only has one set of eyelets on the dropouts, which are currently 
occupied by my fenders. I've been nervous to set up a rear rack with 
p-clamps because I know, inevitably, I will want to put panniers on it and 
I'm nervous about the weight, but realized I don't actually know which is 
stronger: connecting to the braze-ons or p-clamps.

Primarily I'd use the rack as support for my Carradice Nelson longflap, but 
could end up in a position of needing to put a pannier or two on it if I 
was commuting in inclement weather or embarking on a weekend tour.

There are a few frame builders here in town I know could add new braze-ons 
for not too much $, but I don't want to go down that road unless I have to 
since it's considerably more permanent of an option.

- Mike in ATX

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[RBW] Re: Hub Area Bags and Hub Area Racks

['Rick' via RBW Owners Bunch]

What Roberta said.  I had the john's irish, long strap on mine.

>
>
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[RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[Kieran J]

Cool, thanks for that !

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:32:45 PM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> KJ, 
>
> From the pedal axle to the top of the saddle is  105.5 cm.
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:17:52 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>>
>> Very nice! What's the captain's saddle height in the picture?
>>
>> KJ
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>>
>>> I finished building our large HHH last night. We took it on a 14 mile 
>>> shake down ride this morning in ridiculous 25-30 mph winds. Tried to stay 
>>> with sidewinds, HHH dealt with them well. 
>>>
>>> This is our third tandem (second in current fleet -- the other is a 
>>> custom S&S Bilenky tourer). The initial ride indicates the HHH will be lots 
>>> of fun. The orange is a lot brighter than we expected, but it's growing on 
>>> us. 
>>>
>>> It's been quite the Rivendell May here -- my 65cm green Clem arrived 
>>> last week -- set it up with Chocomoose bars -- also lots of fun. 
>>>
>>> Julian Westerhout
>>> Bloomington, IL 
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Shoji Takahashi]

I've got Big Bens on my wheelset. Measure 48 - 50mm on the tandem rims. I'm 
a bit surprised that they ran that narrow... I ran 26" version of Big Bens 
on my Hunqapillar and really liked them.

I probably would have tried Super Moto-X had I known about them. But, then 
again, getting fenders and wide tires to fit can be a pain.

(Intended use is similar: commuting roads in Boston area, hardpack trails.)

Good luck!
shoji



On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 3:15:56 PM UTC-4, lconley wrote:
>
> Schwalbe Super Moto-X: 27.5 x 2.4 (650B x 62) - basically a bigger Big 
> Ben. I have them mounted on the wheels, still waiting on the frame.
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 3:08:52 PM UTC-4, Ray Varella wrote:
>>
>> Intended use is multipurpose, road, trail, hardpack fireroad etc...
>> Nothing technical. 
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Ray
>>
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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Will Ashe]

Nice, I'm pretty close to Burnet and Braker. Pease Park looks like a cool 
option, closer to downtown and on the Shoal Creek trail. I'll post again 
here when I've checked out some spots. 


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[RBW] Re: What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[lconley]

Schwalbe Super Moto-X: 27.5 x 2.4 (650B x 62) - basically a bigger Big Ben. 
I have them mounted on the wheels, still waiting on the frame.

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> Intended use is multipurpose, road, trail, hardpack fireroad etc...
> Nothing technical. 
>
> Thank you,
> Ray
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[RBW] What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Ray Varella]

Intended use is multipurpose, road, trail, hardpack fireroad etc...
Nothing technical. 

Thank you,
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[RBW] What tires are people running on their Hubbuhubbuhs?

[Ray Varella]

Just curious what sort of tire choices people are making for their tandems. 

I'm thinking about starting with something in the 2.00"-2.25". 
Schwalbe and Continental both have some nice looking tires. 
The Riv site is currently out on a couple of them but I can wait for a little 
while. 
The largest Compass tires are a bit smaller than what I want. 
I've been running Schwalbe Thunder Burts on a single for a few months and they 
are great but might be a bit less sturdy for a tandem than I want. 


The HHH has a theme song by the Beat Farmers called "Happy Boy"
It seems rather fitting, cue the kazoo. 

Ray

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[iamkeith]

I meant "moot."

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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Mike Packard]

I'd be interested! I live in north central (Burnet & Anderson) and work a 
bit norther (Burnet & Braker). Walnut creek is good, northwest park, Austin 
State Hospital/Central Market, Pease Park, and on down by the lake are all 
good. Depending on east-west orientation it's easy to get down to Govalle 
park at the end of the confusingly-named Walnut Creek trail too. 

Mike


On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:35:26 AM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Having recently relocated to Austin, I'm wondering if any Austinite 
> listers know of a camp coffee meetup. I became so accustomed to 
> #ballonacreekcampcoffee on Wednesday mornings and I'm missing the face to 
> face social interaction. 
>
> I'm currently in North Austin, and am considering starting one, maybe in 
> Walnut Creek if there's nothing already nearby.
>
> Will Ashe
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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[iamkeith]

I haven't even read the blahg yet but will say that, as a reformed 
motorhead and perpetual mechanical tinkerer/hobbyist who found cycling as a 
redemption from more destructive pastimes, I'll admit to being both very 
intrigued by e-bikes and disgusted at the thought of seeing them on trails 
and in the wild.  Fortunately, my local land management agencies got 
proactive about this very early, and banned them from trails (over 99% of 
the land in the county where I live is state or federally owned). 

That doesn't mean I don't often think about building one out of a cheap and 
un-used frame, for street riding for fun's sake.  Heck, I even think about 
getting one of those cheap, loud, chinese gas motor kits.  I think it would 
be a great way to teach my son some mechanical skills.

Sounds like it's a mute point, but here's why I personally would NEVER 
consider buying a Rivendell e-bike:  When it comes to spending any 
significant amount of money, I'm attracted only to things that have long or 
indefinite lifespans, that won't become obsolete, that are "classic," and 
that I can see myself wanting to own for the rest of my life.   That is a 
Rivendell in a nutshell, to me.   

Even if they weren't still in their infancy, I think the necessary electric 
motor and battery technologies will continue to change and become obsolete. 
  And besides, what do you do with the battery when it's worn out, even if 
you can get a replacement? 

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[RBW] Re: FS or Trade: pedals, rack, bag, bell

[Will Ashe]

Bell is sold.

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[RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[Ray Varella]

Nice!  
My experience with tandems is, they handle crosswinds better than most singles. 
I suspect these tandems will prove to be very stable. 

I thought the orange was a great color and adds to the fun factor. 

Ray

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[RBW] FS: Lg LS Ibex jersey & Lg. Saddlesack olive

[Steven Sweedler]

Ibex is sold, Saddlesack still available, $115   shipped,   more pictures 
available, Thanks, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Will Ashe]

Thanks, I'm enjoying it so far. Downtown could definitely work and would 
probably draw a bigger crowd. I'll explore some spots next week and see 
what I can find. Ideally something where people can sit facing each other.

I got a Niner ROS 9+. Rigid, steel, 29 x 3. It's my only bike right now so 
I'll be using it for everything, but once I get a commuter I'll us it for 
trails and camping.

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[RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[Julian Westerhout]

KJ, 

>From the pedal axle to the top of the saddle is  105.5 cm.

Julian Westerhout
Bloomington, IL 

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:17:52 PM UTC-5, Kieran J wrote:
>
> Very nice! What's the captain's saddle height in the picture?
>
> KJ
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>>
>> I finished building our large HHH last night. We took it on a 14 mile 
>> shake down ride this morning in ridiculous 25-30 mph winds. Tried to stay 
>> with sidewinds, HHH dealt with them well. 
>>
>> This is our third tandem (second in current fleet -- the other is a 
>> custom S&S Bilenky tourer). The initial ride indicates the HHH will be lots 
>> of fun. The orange is a lot brighter than we expected, but it's growing on 
>> us. 
>>
>> It's been quite the Rivendell May here -- my 65cm green Clem arrived last 
>> week -- set it up with Chocomoose bars -- also lots of fun. 
>>
>> Julian Westerhout
>> Bloomington, IL 
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Patrick Moore]

PS: I'll buy one to give to the wee little wanker who passed me this
morning in a lifted black pickup with extraloud muffler and very little
acceleration.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> My goodness! How uncharitable! Mercy!
>
> Patrick "LOL" Moore
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 7:35 AM, Deacon Patrick 
> wrote:
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>> One of my less-than brilliant visions is to buy a pile of these stickers
>> and put them on parked motorcycles in the area (I used Gran't link to the
>> sticker factory to make up a prototype). I suppose e-bikes are quiet, but
>> they haven't caught on here yet, knock on wood. Sardonic grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>>
>> 
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>>
>>> Grant mentioned ebikes
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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco, Albatross, Sackville, Silver/shimano shifters, VP Pedals, Nitto Stems

[Jonathan D.]

Sent PM 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Patrick Moore]

My goodness! How uncharitable! Mercy!

Patrick "LOL" Moore

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> they haven't caught on here yet, knock on wood. Sardonic grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
>
> 
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Tony DeFilippo]

It's really interesting how different the experiences are with similar
equipment... Eric I'm definitely getting what you describe.  Did you go
tubeless or tubed?

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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Reid Echols]

I'd go to one if it started happening! Heat's starting to pick up, so it may be 
worth doing it downtown near Mellow Johnny's (where there are free showers, 
lockers, etc. for commuters). Or just near the creek :) 

Welcome to town, btw. I'll admit to admiring your Sam frame on eBay (and here), 
but just bought a 64cm from this group. Nice bike! What're you riding these 
days? 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Eric Daume]

I had the exact same experience with 2.35" Big Ones on a 45mm Scraper rim.
Very jerky, digital steering. Put 3" knobbies back on and all was well.

Eric

On Thursday, May 18, 2017, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:

> Philip we need to catch up for coffee and get you on my 24" Jones Plus
> sometime soon.  I'm around next week, hit me up off list if you want to
> give it a try.
>
> David are you using the 2.35" G-Ones on your Jones Plus?  I have the
> Schwable 'Big Ones' 2.35" slicks on mine right now and I'm not a fan.
> Compared to the 3" Chronicles I find the steering to be nervous/squirmy
> which is so different than the caddilac smooth handling it had w/ the
> chronicles.  I'm using them with tubes on the big WTB Scraper i45's though
> and wondering if the rim is just to wide for the smaller tires.
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Philip Kim  > wrote:
>
>> ahh great info thanks! emailed jones and they said it's fine, but they
>> pointed me towards the spaceframe if i had any concerns. glad the 24" plus
>> fits well. might be a good 27+ candidatE?
>>
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:02:57 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>>>
>>> I have a 48cm hunq and a 24" jones plus. The hunq was my 'original' mtn
>>> bike, now the jones isfits fine. it's so well designed that it doesn't
>>> feel that big when you're in it at all, but if you look at it it is huge,
>>> especially compared to my small hunq with 26" wheels. the only times it
>>> feels 'too big' are on a few super narrow single track trails with a steep
>>> cliff I ride sometime, a combination of the wide ass handlebars and 3"
>>> tires  makes me nervous, and sent me down the hillside once or twice. but
>>> for the other 99% of the riding I do (which is a lot of other technical
>>> singletrack) it is fantastic and fits just right.
>>>
>>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:

 any smaller riders on a jones?

 having rode a 48cm Hunq, curious how the jones fits, as well as if the
 29+ wheels are too big.

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[RBW] FS or FT Nitto Campee 27F Front Rack

[DB]

Hi,

I have a Nitto Campee 27F Front Rack 
 used but in great shape that 
I'd like to trade for a comparable Rear or Front Rack sized for a 650b 
bike.  Barring a trade, I'd be willing to sell it for $200 shipped.

Thanks,
Dan

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[RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[Kieran J]

Very nice! What's the captain's saddle height in the picture?

KJ


On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:55:48 AM UTC-4, Julian Westerhout wrote:
>
> I finished building our large HHH last night. We took it on a 14 mile 
> shake down ride this morning in ridiculous 25-30 mph winds. Tried to stay 
> with sidewinds, HHH dealt with them well. 
>
> This is our third tandem (second in current fleet -- the other is a custom 
> S&S Bilenky tourer). The initial ride indicates the HHH will be lots of 
> fun. The orange is a lot brighter than we expected, but it's growing on us. 
>
> It's been quite the Rivendell May here -- my 65cm green Clem arrived last 
> week -- set it up with Chocomoose bars -- also lots of fun. 
>
> Julian Westerhout
> Bloomington, IL 
>

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[RBW] Re: Dyno wiring

[drew]

I have the front strut of a mark's rack going all the way down to the drop 
out. makes wiring way easier (right up the strut) and feels more stable.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[David Stein]

I am using the 2.35” G-Ones on RaceFace ARC 45’s. I run them tubeless. Honestly 
I felt that the 3” maxis chronicles I have on there are too squirmy and handled 
poorly on pavement (particularly downhill) but mostly because they’re run at 
such a low pressure (10 psi). On this second wheelset w/ the G-One’s I keep 
them pumped up to a normal-ish PSI to handle road and mixed terrain and I love 
it, not really squirmy at all. 

I was a little nervous as I ran some big apples on another bike once and 
thought those were super squirrely. Smaller rim though.


> On May 18, 2017, at 10:51 AM, Tony DeFilippo  wrote:
> 
> Philip we need to catch up for coffee and get you on my 24" Jones Plus 
> sometime soon.  I'm around next week, hit me up off list if you want to give 
> it a try.
> 
> David are you using the 2.35" G-Ones on your Jones Plus?  I have the Schwable 
> 'Big Ones' 2.35" slicks on mine right now and I'm not a fan.  Compared to the 
> 3" Chronicles I find the steering to be nervous/squirmy which is so different 
> than the caddilac smooth handling it had w/ the chronicles.  I'm using them 
> with tubes on the big WTB Scraper i45's though and wondering if the rim is 
> just to wide for the smaller tires.
> 
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Philip Kim  > wrote:
> ahh great info thanks! emailed jones and they said it's fine, but they 
> pointed me towards the spaceframe if i had any concerns. glad the 24" plus 
> fits well. might be a good 27+ candidatE?
> 
> 
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:02:57 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
> I have a 48cm hunq and a 24" jones plus. The hunq was my 'original' mtn bike, 
> now the jones isfits fine. it's so well designed that it doesn't feel 
> that big when you're in it at all, but if you look at it it is huge, 
> especially compared to my small hunq with 26" wheels. the only times it feels 
> 'too big' are on a few super narrow single track trails with a steep cliff I 
> ride sometime, a combination of the wide ass handlebars and 3" tires  makes 
> me nervous, and sent me down the hillside once or twice. but for the other 
> 99% of the riding I do (which is a lot of other technical singletrack) it is 
> fantastic and fits just right.
> 
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
> any smaller riders on a jones?
> 
> having rode a 48cm Hunq, curious how the jones fits, as well as if the 29+ 
> wheels are too big.
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[RBW] Re: Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[Eli Queen]

Double nice!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Tony DeFilippo]

Philip we need to catch up for coffee and get you on my 24" Jones Plus
sometime soon.  I'm around next week, hit me up off list if you want to
give it a try.

David are you using the 2.35" G-Ones on your Jones Plus?  I have the
Schwable 'Big Ones' 2.35" slicks on mine right now and I'm not a fan.
Compared to the 3" Chronicles I find the steering to be nervous/squirmy
which is so different than the caddilac smooth handling it had w/ the
chronicles.  I'm using them with tubes on the big WTB Scraper i45's though
and wondering if the rim is just to wide for the smaller tires.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 1:33 PM, Philip Kim  wrote:

> ahh great info thanks! emailed jones and they said it's fine, but they
> pointed me towards the spaceframe if i had any concerns. glad the 24" plus
> fits well. might be a good 27+ candidatE?
>
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:02:57 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>>
>> I have a 48cm hunq and a 24" jones plus. The hunq was my 'original' mtn
>> bike, now the jones isfits fine. it's so well designed that it doesn't
>> feel that big when you're in it at all, but if you look at it it is huge,
>> especially compared to my small hunq with 26" wheels. the only times it
>> feels 'too big' are on a few super narrow single track trails with a steep
>> cliff I ride sometime, a combination of the wide ass handlebars and 3"
>> tires  makes me nervous, and sent me down the hillside once or twice. but
>> for the other 99% of the riding I do (which is a lot of other technical
>> singletrack) it is fantastic and fits just right.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>>
>>> any smaller riders on a jones?
>>>
>>> having rode a 48cm Hunq, curious how the jones fits, as well as if the
>>> 29+ wheels are too big.
>>>
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[RBW] Large orange HHH build, shake down ride

[Bill Lindsay]

APPROVE!!

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Philip Kim]

ahh great info thanks! emailed jones and they said it's fine, but they 
pointed me towards the spaceframe if i had any concerns. glad the 24" plus 
fits well. might be a good 27+ candidatE?

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 1:02:57 PM UTC-4, dstein wrote:
>
> I have a 48cm hunq and a 24" jones plus. The hunq was my 'original' mtn 
> bike, now the jones isfits fine. it's so well designed that it doesn't 
> feel that big when you're in it at all, but if you look at it it is huge, 
> especially compared to my small hunq with 26" wheels. the only times it 
> feels 'too big' are on a few super narrow single track trails with a steep 
> cliff I ride sometime, a combination of the wide ass handlebars and 3" 
> tires  makes me nervous, and sent me down the hillside once or twice. but 
> for the other 99% of the riding I do (which is a lot of other technical 
> singletrack) it is fantastic and fits just right.
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>>
>> any smaller riders on a jones?
>>
>> having rode a 48cm Hunq, curious how the jones fits, as well as if the 
>> 29+ wheels are too big.
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Grant Petersen]

Apologies for the confusing last eight words of my post. It was all fine up
to them..and even I can't figure it out. Oh, language!
("...has to be worked out in 'pedal' mode.") Whaaa--?

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:30 AM, Grant @ Rivendell 
wrote:

> We won't sell eBikes ever--but that is not like me saying, "we won't do
> (pick your heinous thing)." Of course I know that I can speak for RBW as a
> whole, but at some point there's a diff btw my personal deathbed-honest
> opinion--which is generally on my sleeve--and something that falls under
> the general category of "what's good for Rivendell and the gang here, and
> the gang that I hope will take it all forward someday."
>
> My persOPis that I will pedal as long as I can. If this is part of the "I
> shoot film when I don't have to email the photo or put it online
> immediately" me, then..OK, it is part of that. I don't see a perfect direct
> connexion, but there's not a total gap, either. To use the cliche but also
> to totally mean it literally, one of my best friends--the Sean guy in the
> green photo looking back over his shoulder as he coasts down the hill--is
> recovering from an eBike accident. If I was successful in attaching the
> image I sent to him last night, you can see the proof. I've ridden his. I
> hope he'll still go out with me on pedal rides when he recovers!
>
> From a business POV--I feel slightly out of my element making "business"
> decisions--I think  it's enough in this age of strap-on eMotors--to provide
> bikes that allow it without funking up the frame ("funking" is a new great
> word--I hope I made it up) with something that looks jarring or has to be
> worked about in "pedal" mode.
>
> On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:53:44 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Grant mentioned ebikes again on the BLAHG, and even made a faint
>> reference to a possible future where they would sell one. I know it's not
>> his thing, but he was discussing it in reference to a cycling industry
>> gradually accepting that ebikes are here to stay.
>>
>> So my question. If Rivendell put some bikes together with the latest
>> mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available, would you buy
>> one? We're talking about pedal bikes that can be ridden with low or no
>> assist, not 'hit the throttle and hang on' like a scooter. I think a kitted
>> Clem or Hunqapillar would be fun, plus useful as commuters.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[dstein]

I have a 48cm hunq and a 24" jones plus. The hunq was my 'original' mtn 
bike, now the jones isfits fine. it's so well designed that it doesn't 
feel that big when you're in it at all, but if you look at it it is huge, 
especially compared to my small hunq with 26" wheels. the only times it 
feels 'too big' are on a few super narrow single track trails with a steep 
cliff I ride sometime, a combination of the wide ass handlebars and 3" 
tires  makes me nervous, and sent me down the hillside once or twice. but 
for the other 99% of the riding I do (which is a lot of other technical 
singletrack) it is fantastic and fits just right.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:10:30 AM UTC-7, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> any smaller riders on a jones?
>
> having rode a 48cm Hunq, curious how the jones fits, as well as if the 29+ 
> wheels are too big.
>

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Deacon Patrick]

My personal anticipatory frustration with e-MTBs is there is a certain, 
albeit basic and low, level of knowledge required to end up on certain 
trails __ miles in. This "filter" correlates with a certain quality of 
person -- one who tends to care for their surroundings, knows basics of 
navigation (at least until their GPS stops working), and has some general 
outdoor sensibility (again, the bar is fairly low here.). This compares 
with the ATV crowd, which more generally reflects the saying that the 
benefit of a 4x4 is you get stuck farther out. What happens to the person 
who doesn't know they can walk their e-MTB whose battery stops working 10 
miles out, or who does know but hasn't the fitness required to do more than 
pedal slightly. Suddenly those mountains that took no effort to get into 
have a lot of vertical that wasn't earned. There is something to earning 
getting to certain places.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned ebikes again on the BLAHG, and even made a faint reference 
> to a possible future where they would sell one. I know it's not his thing, 
> but he was discussing it in reference to a cycling industry gradually 
> accepting that ebikes are here to stay. 
>
> So my question. If Rivendell put some bikes together with the latest 
> mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available, would you buy 
> one? We're talking about pedal bikes that can be ridden with low or no 
> assist, not 'hit the throttle and hang on' like a scooter. I think a kitted 
> Clem or Hunqapillar would be fun, plus useful as commuters.  
>

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[RBW] Re: May Showers Bring June Flowers

[Will Ashe]

This looks like a blast, thanks for sharing. 

Will

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Re: [RBW] Dyno wiring

[Tim Butterfield]

My picture didn't seem to come through.  Here's the link:
https://flic.kr/p/UVECZ6

Tim

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 9:32 AM, Tim Butterfield 
wrote:

> On my Homer, I have the light on the left and run the wire up and through
> the Mark's rack and down the other side.
> From the light, the wire goes
> up to and over the front of the left rear support
> down and under the left edge of the rack
> diagonally through the rack to the front of the right rear support
> up and over the right rear support
> down and through a zip tie just above the fork rack mount
> down the fork and through another zip tie at the bottom of the fork
> and then into the dyno connection
>
>  I haven't used it enough to know whether it is a good setup or not.
>
> Tim
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Carla Waugh 
> wrote:
>
>> If you have a dyno hub on the front wheel and a small Nitto front rack on
>> your Sam can you please post a pic with the wiring showing? If you love
>> your setup let me know which hub and light you used.  Thanks
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[panog]

In some strange way, e-cycling  seems to address several of Grant's 
philosophies on what cycling ought to be.  Comfort, broad use, accessibility, 
the whole "Just Ride" approach away from the marketed "racing " utopian 
approach of the later decades. Add to these the good feeling of increased 
speed, not having to get off and push the bike up a hill and overall the good 
feeling of not being overly moderated by one's physical limitations and you 
could clearly see why e-bikes are catching on.  

RBW is faced with hard business realities either way, as this appears to be 
significantly broader than rim brakes vs. disks, barcons vs. STI, or 9-speed 
vs. 11-speed. Adapting to this technology involves financial engagement beyond 
perceived comfort levels and staying put could eventually shrink their nitch to 
an even tighter spectrum.   To make things even more challenging, the recent 
RBW marketing direction of reducing bicycle ownership costs to attract more 
riders seems to be in polar opposites with the e-bike market trend of 
attracting more riders by allowing them to "buy" more comfort and performance 
and this appeal to the non-cycling enthusiasts is expected to become even more 
pronounced as e-drive prices fall due to supply and demand. 

Personally, I like my pedaling the way it is and I dont see me on a e-bike any 
time soon, things being what they now are. Down the road, who knows? I do know 
that I immensely enjoy cycling and I like to keep at it until the end of the 
road, one way or another.

Pano 

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Re: [RBW] Dyno wiring

[Tim Butterfield]

On my Homer, I have the light on the left and run the wire up and through
the Mark's rack and down the other side.
>From the light, the wire goes
up to and over the front of the left rear support
down and under the left edge of the rack
diagonally through the rack to the front of the right rear support
up and over the right rear support
down and through a zip tie just above the fork rack mount
down the fork and through another zip tie at the bottom of the fork
and then into the dyno connection

 I haven't used it enough to know whether it is a good setup or not.

Tim



On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 7:33 AM, Carla Waugh  wrote:

> If you have a dyno hub on the front wheel and a small Nitto front rack on
> your Sam can you please post a pic with the wiring showing? If you love
> your setup let me know which hub and light you used.  Thanks
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[Philip Kim]

any smaller riders on a jones?

having rode a 48cm Hunq, curious how the jones fits, as well as if the 29+ 
wheels are too big.

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[RBW] May Showers Bring June Flowers

[Deacon Patrick]

What a fun, wet, sloppy, slushy, snowy ride! Happy Spring! Grin.
http://thegrid.ai/withabandon/may-showers-bring-june-flowers

With abandon,
Patrick

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Alex Wirth- Owner, Yellow Haus Bicycles]

We've experimented with putting bionx kits on a riv or two.  The utility 
factor can't be denied.  From an aesthetic factorI ended up taking them 
off.  They were bionx aftermarket kits and they had excellent range, 
function etc etc. They were just too ugly for a Riv.

We recently got a demo Copenhagen wheel

https://www.instagram.com/p/BT6-MCThI1S/?taken-by=yellowhausbicycles

Doesn't have the range but who-wee, does it make a different aesthetic 
statement.  I've ridden a lot of junky feeling e-bikes and this technology 
is at the top in terms of ride quality. Easily swapped out or from bike to 
bike too.  I can only imagine that as battery capacity continues to 
excelthis particular design (all-in-one battery/motor etc) will be the 
norm.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 11:14:35 AM UTC-4, Orc wrote:
>
> Yes, that's what mopeds became (and it's what may be the future of this 
> generation; there are already some /very/ scooter-looking electric mopeds 
> out there that I occasionally see on the bike paths/locked up to bike racks 
> in Portland.  The only thing keeping the electric mopeds from becoming 
> scooters is that the energy density of batteries sucks dead bunnies through 
> a straw and that as the batteries age the drivers will more and more likely 
> need to pedal their way out of trouble.) The net of a billion lies 
> (wikipedia) actually has a moderately honest recounting of the origin of 
> the things, including some interesting photos.
>
> -david parsons
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 12:51:34 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Mopeds were slow motorcycles you could only ride by using the throttle. 
>> The pedals only existed to qualify it as non-licensed back in the day, you 
>> couldn't actually use it as a bicycle. So the comparison, while pithy, has 
>> nothing to do with the question I asked. 
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Jones and Hunq

[David Stein]

Nice! I just got some g-ones for my jones and love them. A little slippery
on one ride i went on recently but otherwise do fantastic on the roads and
most other trails. Happy riding.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 8:47 AM, Geeter  wrote:

> Built!  Ride report in the near future!
>
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[RBW] Re: Dyno wiring

[blakcloud]

Having problems with providing an image in the message. 

I used a Sheldon Nut from Problem Solvers to mount the light. I got the 
idea from a BLUG posting about this. For now I just wrapped the copious 
amount of wiring around the fork and rack strut but will be shortening them 
in the near future. 



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[RBW] Re: Dyno wiring

[blakcloud]

[IMG]http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk319/blakcloud60/Rivendell%20Sam%20Hilborne/P1020754_zpsbgvpwses.jpg[/IMG]
 


This idea was copied from a BLUG article that suggested using a problem 
solvers Sheldon Nut. 
http://problemsolversbike.com/products/accessory-mounts/sheldon_fender_nuts_-_10108

I haven't gotten around to shortening the wiring but will cut it down this 
weekend. It looks messy the way it is now. 



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[RBW] Re: Dyno wiring

[blakcloud]

[URL=http://s283.photobucket.com/user/blakcloud60/media/Rivendell%20Sam%20Hilborne/P1020754_zpsbgvpwses.jpg.html][IMG]http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk319/blakcloud60/Rivendell%20Sam%20Hilborne/P1020754_zpsbgvpwses.jpg[/IMG][/URL]

This idea was copied from a BLUG article that suggested using a problem 
solvers Sheldon Nut. 
http://problemsolversbike.com/products/accessory-mounts/sheldon_fender_nuts_-_10108

I haven't gotten around to shortening the wiring but will cut it down this 
weekend. It looks messy the way it is now. 



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[RBW] FS or Trade: pedals, rack, bag, bell

[Will Ashe]

I'm looking for some large, low profile, grippy MTB platform pedals. I'm 
also willing to sell these items. All prices shipped CONUS.

Shimano PD-M540 SPD $40

MKS Sneaker pedals $25

Wald 137 basket with red cargo net $30

Camo Burro Bags hip pouch $20

Crane brass hammer bell $10

Please contact me off list. 




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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Orc]

Yes, that's what mopeds became (and it's what may be the future of this 
generation; there are already some /very/ scooter-looking electric mopeds 
out there that I occasionally see on the bike paths/locked up to bike racks 
in Portland.  The only thing keeping the electric mopeds from becoming 
scooters is that the energy density of batteries sucks dead bunnies through 
a straw and that as the batteries age the drivers will more and more likely 
need to pedal their way out of trouble.) The net of a billion lies 
(wikipedia) actually has a moderately honest recounting of the origin of 
the things, including some interesting photos.

-david parsons

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 12:51:34 AM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Mopeds were slow motorcycles you could only ride by using the throttle. 
> The pedals only existed to qualify it as non-licensed back in the day, you 
> couldn't actually use it as a bicycle. So the comparison, while pithy, has 
> nothing to do with the question I asked. 

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[RBW] Re: Dyno wiring

[Shoji Takahashi]

Hi Carla,
I have a SON28 to IQ-X and Velolumino fender light on my Hunqapillar:

Here's a pic. You can zoom a bit and maybe see the wiring:
https://flic.kr/p/MU5VJN

I have a double wire (supplied by BM with the IQ-X) that connects to the 
dyno hub. The wire is wrapped around the drive-side fork leg to the 
mid-fork braze-on. From there, I wrapped it along the Nitto mini front rack 
leg to the IQ-X headlight attached to the front rack plate. 

If you're only adding a front light, then that would be all.

If you need closer pics, I can snap some and post them tomorrow.

Good luck!
shoji
Arlington MA


On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 10:33:59 AM UTC-4, Carla Waugh wrote:
>
> If you have a dyno hub on the front wheel and a small Nitto front rack on 
> your Sam can you please post a pic with the wiring showing? If you love 
> your setup let me know which hub and light you used.  Thanks

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[RBW] Re: Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Nick Ybarra]

There was one meeting in Central Austin (downtown area) last year, but I 
think it fell off.  


On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 9:35:26 AM UTC-5, Will Ashe wrote:
>
> Having recently relocated to Austin, I'm wondering if any Austinite 
> listers know of a camp coffee meetup. I became so accustomed to 
> #ballonacreekcampcoffee on Wednesday mornings and I'm missing the face to 
> face social interaction. 
>
> I'm currently in North Austin, and am considering starting one, maybe in 
> Walnut Creek if there's nothing already nearby.
>
> Will Ashe
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[RBW] Camp Coffee/Coffee outside in Austin, Tx

[Will Ashe]

Having recently relocated to Austin, I'm wondering if any Austinite listers 
know of a camp coffee meetup. I became so accustomed to 
#ballonacreekcampcoffee on Wednesday mornings and I'm missing the face to 
face social interaction. 

I'm currently in North Austin, and am considering starting one, maybe in 
Walnut Creek if there's nothing already nearby.

Will Ashe

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[RBW] Dyno wiring

[Carla Waugh]

If you have a dyno hub on the front wheel and a small Nitto front rack on your 
Sam can you please post a pic with the wiring showing? If you love your setup 
let me know which hub and light you used.  Thanks

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Bob Lovejoy]

I hesitate a little to chime in because I recognize and agree, to some 
extent, with both sides of the thinking.

That said, I have an electric assist cargo bike, a somewhat cobbled 
together but perfectly functional Yuba Mundo and I will say that it is the 
most practical vehicle I have ever owned.  It lets me haul big loads, cover 
greater distances, get through traffic relatively easily, all the while 
still riding my bike!  It is only pedal assist, and I am rarely out of the 
"+1" assist range (out of +1 to +5).  Oh, it also lets me keep riding with 
a bad knee that is refusing to completely heal and that's a big deal to me.

So, advantages, and certainly not a complete list...


   - Able to haul more comfortably.  In my case that is groceries, 
   hardware, bikes and big boxes, etc.  It could just as easily be commute and 
   work gear, child seats, etc.
   - Able to cover longer distances reliably and without drama.  I had a 
   17-18 mile 1-way commute when I was in Denver, and though I am not proud of 
   it, that was too much for me.  The one time I timed my ride to work, even 
   on the giant Yuba, was 57 minutes, door-to-door, stopping at lights and all.
   - When riding in traffic or other stop and go situations, I am better 
   able to get up to speed quickly, bad knee and all, and that somehow helps 
   convince cars that I am something akin to another vehicle.  Maybe 
   coincidence, but I have had fewer close calls or signs of vehicle 
   aggression when I am on the Yuba.  I suppose sheer mass has its place as 
   well?!
   - Big and/or long hills that might test me beyond respectability are not 
   a worry.  On just a bike ride, bring on the tests.  But when going 
   somewhere where I need to not smell and not look like I just came out of 
   the gym, etc. the Yuba wins.
   - And for all the reasons, if e-assist gets more people on bikes, then I 
   believe it helps cross that tipping point where bikes are seen more as 
   vehicles and not just for play, recreation, etc.
   
Maybe it is just my aging ways, although I understand why mountain bikers 
would want e-assist and to go faster and faster, that is not my thing and 
will not be.  The benefit I see in e-assist bikes is to make them more 
practical in a real, day-to-day world, to help make bikes seem more viable 
(to all ages) as an alternative to ever larger cars and trucks 

Anyway, I love my standard and amazing regular bikes and can still do a lot 
on them, even haul things with trailers, etc.  But having, using and riding 
the e-assist Yuba has been eye opening.

Not that I think Rivendell is the natural vendor for such things, by the 
way, but an e-assist, Clem-based cargo bike would be fine with me.

I will say, my Yuba uses a rear-wheel motor and it works perfectly well, 
though I know the mid-drives get high ratings.  That said, I can move my 
"kit" from bike to bike (and have), it puts less stress on the drivetrain, 
and mine is incredibly quiet and responsive.  

Just thoughts and a report of what I have found...

Bob Lovejoy
Galesburg, IL

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Deacon Patrick]

One of my less-than brilliant visions is to buy a pile of these stickers 
and put them on parked motorcycles in the area (I used Gran't link to the 
sticker factory to make up a prototype). I suppose e-bikes are quiet, but 
they haven't caught on here yet, knock on wood. Sardonic grin.

With abandon,
Patrick




On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 12:53:44 AM UTC-6, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned ebikes 

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Re: [RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Tim Gavin]

I don't see Rivendell as the shop you'd think of to go buy an e-bike.
And I doubt that Riv would "put some bikes together with the latest
mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available".  A mid-drive
motor would wreck the aesthetics of the classic diamond frame that Riv
celebrates, and the frame needs to be designed around the big mid-drive
motor.
A wheel-motor kit, while a less-efficient e-bike design, seems more like
something Riv would do (as at least one listmember already has).  I could
see Riv using a "Roscoe tube" to frame the battery, but not using the big
TIG'ed plate required for a mid-drive.

I work part-time at a shop that is one of the biggest e-bike dealers in the
Midwest.  The shop's owner (3r-generation) embraced e-bikes early-on (about
5 years ago), and learned all the bugs and tricks.  So, customers drive in
from 5 hours away to buy from him, because he carries a decent line-up and
fully supports the e-bikes, electronics and all.
Many shops struggle with e-bikes due to the electronics.  Early e-bikes
definitely suffered from poor design and electrical glitches.
Now, our best-selling e-bike models are European imports from Kalkhoff and
Haibike, with the Bosch mid-drive kits.  Mid-drive seems to be the best
design, but it's ugly.  One benefit of mid-drive is that it only works as
pedal-assist; no throttle, no electric-only drive mode (aka moped).

Personally, I don't see myself using an e-bike any time soon.  But I agree
that they are here, and that they serve needs for some people.  For some,
they're a gateway to non-E cycling, and for others they're a way to keep
riding after they couldn't on their own.
I agree that some e-riders (most often those with throttle "e-mopeds") can
be irresponsible, riding too fast on cycle paths.
But I also agree that, if e-bikes are increasing ridership and facility
usage, that will result in more and better cycling accommodations for all
of us.

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 8:06 AM, Brad  wrote:

> I wouldn't buy one right now. But if I had mobility problems that
> prevented me from pedaling my bike, I'd seriously consider it.
>
> I live in NYC and ebikes are everywhere, mostly being ridden by people
> delivering food. I live in Queens and commute into Manhattan by bike via
> the Williamsburg Bridge. In April 2019, the L train, the primary subway
> connecting Northern Brooklyn to Manhattan, will shut down for 15 months for
> repairs. The subway carries 250,000 straphangers a day. It's going to be a
> huge mess as the adjacent subways don't have the capacity to absorb the
> excess riders and traffic on the Williamsburg Bridge already moves slowly
> at rush hour. I expect the Williamsburg bridge bike lane to get crowded and
> it wouldn't surprise me if a significant number of riders discover
> ebikes as the easiest way to get to work. So, the train shut-down
> and ebike prices dropping and quality rising might be the series of events
> that pushes ebikes into the mainstream here. If it happens, it will be
> interesting to see how it affects cycling infrastructure here.
>
> Brad
> Queens
>
> On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:53:44 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>>
>> Grant mentioned ebikes again on the BLAHG, and even made a faint
>> reference to a possible future where they would sell one. I know it's not
>> his thing, but he was discussing it in reference to a cycling industry
>> gradually accepting that ebikes are here to stay.
>>
>> So my question. If Rivendell put some bikes together with the latest
>> mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available, would you buy
>> one? We're talking about pedal bikes that can be ridden with low or no
>> assist, not 'hit the throttle and hang on' like a scooter. I think a kitted
>> Clem or Hunqapillar would be fun, plus useful as commuters.
>>
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[RBW] FS: Brakes

[Conway Bennett]

Pair Avid speed dial 7 brake levers for v or disk brakes.  $30

F&R Avid digital 5 linear pull brakes.  $30

F&R Avid shorty cantilever 4 w/ rebuild kit.  $45

F&R Shimano old Rivendell stock cantis.  $30

Tektro oryx cantilever grab bag - one shiny silver almost new pair, one black 
pair for parts.  $20

F&R Dia Compe XCE cantilever brakes. $40

Let's say $5 shipping and handling on all sets.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Kickstand Props

[Tim Gavin]

My experience directly contradicts Eric D's*.
My two bikes (Riv Road, and '88 Schwinn KOM) with chainstay-mounted
kickstands are eager to fall over from front wheel flop.  My Riv Road has
fallen over (or nearly so) several times.  Even if I settle the front wheel
myself before taking my hand off, a 5lb load in the front rando bag will
still tip the bike over.

As Ron Mc suggested, a strap or bungie between the front wheel and down
tube keeps the bike stable on its rear kickstand.

*No offense to Eric D; there are probably tons of variables accounting for
the different experience.  How low is the kickstand mount (BB or rear
axle)?  How long is the kickstand itself?  How much front load, and load
location?  And front geometry, high or low trail, etc.

On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 7:07 PM, Eric Daume  wrote:

> In my experience, a rear mounted kickstand is much more stable with a
> front load. The front wheel may flop over, but it doesn't take the bike
> down, whereas a front wheel flop seems to easily take down a mid mounted
> kick stand.
>
> Eric
>
> On Wed, May 17, 2017 at 5:02 PM, Ron Mc  wrote:
>
>> Patrick, if you think about moment of inertia, the farther the center of
>> mass is away from the prop point, the lower the stability.
>> If you're standing a big rear load, a rear-mounted kickstand should be
>> more stable.
>> If you have loaded rando bag, the opposite is true and the mass of the
>> rando bag can flip the bike over the stand if the bike is leaning far
>> enough.
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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Brad]

I wouldn't buy one right now. But if I had mobility problems that prevented 
me from pedaling my bike, I'd seriously consider it.

I live in NYC and ebikes are everywhere, mostly being ridden by people 
delivering food. I live in Queens and commute into Manhattan by bike via 
the Williamsburg Bridge. In April 2019, the L train, the primary subway 
connecting Northern Brooklyn to Manhattan, will shut down for 15 months for 
repairs. The subway carries 250,000 straphangers a day. It's going to be a 
huge mess as the adjacent subways don't have the capacity to absorb the 
excess riders and traffic on the Williamsburg Bridge already moves slowly 
at rush hour. I expect the Williamsburg bridge bike lane to get crowded and 
it wouldn't surprise me if a significant number of riders discover 
ebikes as the easiest way to get to work. So, the train shut-down 
and ebike prices dropping and quality rising might be the series of events 
that pushes ebikes into the mainstream here. If it happens, it will be 
interesting to see how it affects cycling infrastructure here.

Brad
Queens

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 2:53:44 AM UTC-4, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned ebikes again on the BLAHG, and even made a faint reference 
> to a possible future where they would sell one. I know it's not his thing, 
> but he was discussing it in reference to a cycling industry gradually 
> accepting that ebikes are here to stay. 
>
> So my question. If Rivendell put some bikes together with the latest 
> mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available, would you buy 
> one? We're talking about pedal bikes that can be ridden with low or no 
> assist, not 'hit the throttle and hang on' like a scooter. I think a kitted 
> Clem or Hunqapillar would be fun, plus useful as commuters.  
>

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Philip Kim]

completely agree. i see more parents in the morning taking their kids to 
school by bike and they are usually on an e-bike in office clothes. makes 
sense - you want to drop your kids off and get to work on time, maybe not 
get too sweaty before getting into the office. then after work, could have 
a more leisurely bike ride back home. 


i am also of the mindset that the more bikes become convenient for 
non-enthusiasts and seen as a useful and viable mode of transportation, the 
better roadway infrastructure and interactions with cars and drivers will 
be.

if i wasn't into bikes and just needed something to get me around, i would 
pick up a faraday porteur.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 4:09:59 AM UTC-4, panog wrote:
>
> A year ago it would be remarkable if I saw one ebike a month. Yesterday I 
> saw three during the morning commute alone. They are not coming, they are 
> here and when they become cheaper to buy there will be many, many more. 
> If ebiking makes cycling approachable to more people, I'd welcome it. More 
> riders on the road means better infrastructure and better mainstream 
> awareness for all of us, electrified or not.

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Philip Kim]

completely agree. i see more parents in the morning taking their kids to 
school by bike and they are usually on an e-bike in office clothes. makes 
sense - you want to drop your kids off and get to work on time, maybe not 
get too sweaty before getting into the office. then after work, could have 
a more leisurely bike ride back home. the more bikes become convenient for 
non-enthusiasts and seen as a useful and viable mode of transportation, the 
better roadway infrastructure and interactions with cars and drivers will 
be.

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 4:09:59 AM UTC-4, panog wrote:
>
> A year ago it would be remarkable if I saw one ebike a month. Yesterday I 
> saw three during the morning commute alone. They are not coming, they are 
> here and when they become cheaper to buy there will be many, many more. 
> If ebiking makes cycling approachable to more people, I'd welcome it. More 
> riders on the road means better infrastructure and better mainstream 
> awareness for all of us, electrified or not.

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[RBW] Re: FS: Bosco, Albatross, Sackville, Silver/shimano shifters, VP Pedals, Nitto Stems

[Philip Kim]

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:05:18 AM UTC-4, Philip Kim wrote:
>
> There was some confusion as some stuff is in grey and some stuff in 
> black here is everything still available. (also added nitto pearl stem 
> and king cage many things cages i found while packing the sold off items). 
>
> thanks to everyone who bought stuff to help clear out space, you guys are 
> definitely allowing me to make some important near-future purchases that 
> are not bike-related (for once). i will be shipping out everything by the 
> end of this week!
>
> pictures are HERE 
> 
>
> prices are net to me via paypal friends and family
>
> Nitto Technomic Quill Stem 70mm, 25.4 clamp, 225mm height (or 160mm max 
> height above minimum insertion line) - $35
>
>  
>
> Nitto Pearl Quill Stem 70mm, 26.0 clamp, (70mm max height from minimum 
> insertion line) - $50
>
>  
>
> Nitto Technomic Deluxe Quill Stem 110mm, 25.4 clamp, 190mm height (or 
> 110mm max height from minimum insertion line) - $68
>
>  
>
> Nitto Tallux Stem, 120mm, 25.4 clamp, 225mm height (or 160mm max height 
> above minimum insertion line)  - $65
>
>  
>
> (SOLD) Nitto Bosco Handlebars, heat-treated, 55cm - $80
>
>  
>
> (SOLD) Rivendell Sackville Shopsack Olive - $50
>
>  
>
> (1 SOLD, 1 LEFT) King Cage Many Thing Cage x2, new comes with straps-$50 
> each, $97 for both 
> 
>

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Tom M]

Precisely. And they are so much greener than scooters.
--Tom

On Thursday, May 18, 2017 at 4:09:59 AM UTC-4, panog wrote:
>
> A year ago it would be remarkable if I saw one ebike a month. Yesterday I 
> saw three during the morning commute alone. They are not coming, they are 
> here and when they become cheaper to buy there will be many, many more. 
> If ebiking makes cycling approachable to more people, I'd welcome it. More 
> riders on the road means better infrastructure and better mainstream 
> awareness for all of us, electrified or not.

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[panog]

A year ago it would be remarkable if I saw one ebike a month. Yesterday I saw 
three during the morning commute alone. They are not coming, they are here and 
when they become cheaper to buy there will be many, many more. 
If ebiking makes cycling approachable to more people, I'd welcome it. More 
riders on the road means better infrastructure and better mainstream awareness 
for all of us, electrified or not.

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Joe Bernard]

I should correct my original post after reading the BLAHG again: Grant 
references not thinking this would work for them. I implied they might possibly 
do it someday, which is not correct. 

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Joe Bernard]

Mopeds were slow motorcycles you could only ride by using the throttle. The 
pedals only existed to qualify it as non-licensed back in the day, you couldn't 
actually use it as a bicycle. So the comparison, while pithy, has nothing to do 
with the question I asked. 

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[RBW] Re: The BLAHG, eRivs?

[Orc]

Mopeds just won't stay dead, will they?   It's nice that this generation of 
them are battery-electrics, but an electric Rivespa will never displace any 
of my clutter of pushbikes.


-david parsons

On Wednesday, May 17, 2017 at 11:53:44 PM UTC-7, Joe Bernard wrote:
>
> Grant mentioned ebikes again on the BLAHG, and even made a faint reference 
> to a possible future where they would sell one. I know it's not his thing, 
> but he was discussing it in reference to a cycling industry gradually 
> accepting that ebikes are here to stay. 
>
> So my question. If Rivendell put some bikes together with the latest 
> mid-drive motors with 5 levels of pedal-assist available, would you buy 
> one? We're talking about pedal bikes that can be ridden with low or no 
> assist, not 'hit the throttle and hang on' like a scooter. I think a kitted 
> Clem or Hunqapillar would be fun, plus useful as commuters.  
>

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