[RBW] Re: Winter Solstice Hike a Bike S240

[Montclair BobbyB]

Tent, Guinness, Brown Rice, Fire, Bike... Good times !!

On Sunday, December 22, 2013 3:35:34 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Just got back from Ojai/Ventura on a whirlwind overnighter...Friday 
> morning picked up Evan in Canyon Country and drove out to the Matilija 
> drainage off Hwy 33 above Ojai. It's late I'm exhausted in a good way and 
> fully intend to do a good ride report...for now we made in n out safe and 
> sound with lots of adventure. 
> Hereare a 
> few pictures to whet your appetites. And a good night!
>
> ~Hugh
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Bridgestone motorcycle

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wondering whether that was all Bridgestone, or whether Honda had any hand 
in manufacturing for them??? 

 

On Thursday, December 19, 2013 12:17:24 PM UTC-5, Chris in Redding, Ca. 
wrote:
>
> Hey All,
> I was perusing the local CL yesterday and came upon this
>
> http://redding.craigslist.org/mcy/4248714400.html
>
>
> Who knew?
>
> Chris
> Redding, Ca.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah yes, the police auction... I had all but forgotten about that... Great 
place to score bikes!!!  Also reminds me of the number of bikes stolen from 
me (and my family) over the years... bittersweet memories.

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 11:43:17 PM UTC-5, Nick Worthington wrote:
>
> I think the last string of stories might form part of the answer:  Maybe 
> there was no RBW equivalent in the 60's, simply because there was more of a 
> Just Ride sensibility, and less specialization of bike types.  (At least, 
> here in the west) (Best frame builder is, obviously, another question.)
>
> My early bike story is similar - My dad was a perennial grad student here 
> in Berkeley.  When me and my brother needed adult-sized bikes, he went to 
> the police auction and purchased two decent bikes, and then completely 
> rebuilt them.  That x-mas we each got a drop-bar three speed, w Brooks 
> saddles and new custom paint jobs.  I know now that my brothers was a 
> rebuilt Raleigh Sport, mine was an unknown lugged frame.  With 1 1/4 tires, 
> we rode those all over  the Berkeley hills - paved, dirt, mud - what ever. 
>
> Nick
>

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[RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

[Montclair BobbyB]

What are these imperfections he speaks of??? My Boreal Shirt is perfect. * 
(Maybe 
I should return it... it lacks the flaws he promised)*

On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 8:34:54 PM UTC-5, Frank Brose wrote:
>
> Great. Now I'll spend more money on sheep. I should buy a sheep farm given 
> the amount of wool I have in my closet. Seriously. Glad to hear you like 
> it. I'm a huge fan of wool and have been for alot of years and will 
> probably add one of these to my stash. You'll never see a sheep trying to 
> get out of the rain, cold or sun.
>
> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 9:18:58 PM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> My Boreal Shirt arrived today. WOW... What a quality, heavy duty 
>> garment... I'm totally blown away. Worth every penny... Walked to the pub; 
>> temps in the teens... Wore it under a waxed cotton field jacket...extremely 
>> warm and toasty.  Literally a warm blanket, made into an anorak... Love 
>> it!!!
>>
>> This will last a LONG time... Will wholeheartedly recommend this.  BB
>>
>> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:06:45 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:oo
>>
>>> BobbyB, I went through the exercise last year for a tincloth outer layer 
>>> and ended up buying a very nice Italian-made lined field coat from 
>>> sierratradingpost.  But as far as a good waxed cotton shell goes, the best 
>>> I saw was the Filson all-season rain shell.  
>>> http://www.filson.com/products/all-season-raincoat-extra-long.10029.html
>>>   
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:06:05 PM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB 
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Patrick:
>>>>
>>>> My requirements may not be quite as demanding ... slightly milder 
>>>> climate and (admittedly) I'm more foul-weather averse... I'm OK with cold, 
>>>> but prefer to not venture too much in rainy and windy conditions... We get 
>>>> enough "nice, cold, calm days" in between.  If I had to choose only one 
>>>> garment I'd choose a tough wool jacket any day.
>>>>  
>>>> The wool jackets for $60-$90 from Fred Asbell look nice in the photos, 
>>>> but I gotta believe they're not quite built the same as the Boreal Shirt. 
>>>>  Three separate testimonies from seasoned field users of the Boreal Shirt 
>>>> rave about it as one of the best pieces of equipment they have ever owned, 
>>>> and from sleeping in it outside in cold weather to wearing it all season 
>>>> in 
>>>> the woods, it's built for warmth and durability. 
>>>>
>>>> The Duluth Pack jacket looks nice, but add a pocket and the price (at 
>>>> $240) is at parity with the Boreal.  The Boreal looks more rugged, and is 
>>>> hand-stitched.  But I guess I'll have to wait to see if I made a good 
>>>> choice!
>>>>
>>>> And yes, the Hilltrek jackets ARE really nice... I may have to 
>>>> liquidate assets (gee, that's a measure I typically reserve only for when 
>>>> I'm saving for a bike)...  
>>>>
>>>> Peace, BB
>>>>
>>>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:49:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> BobbyB, on the links you shared, I 'm seeing the wool jackets for 
>>>>> $60-$90, so I'm wondering what you're getting for $250. There's this too: 
>>>>> http://duluthpack.com/home-cabin/clothing-accessories/mens/mens-jackets/wool-blanket-shirt.html<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fduluthpack.com%2Fhome-cabin%2Fclothing-accessories%2Fmens%2Fmens-jackets%2Fwool-blanket-shirt.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHjhOexkBVH_afCxPmz718FB4-gMg>(they
>>>>>  also have canvas anaroks, mitts, etc).
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm all for hearty wool and layering, that's what I do. It's the time 
>>>>> of year when I'm always wearing my long john wool shirt and wool sweater. 
>>>>> It's easy to go outside and be moving around in the sun, then come in (we 
>>>>> keep our house cooler, upper 50's-low 60's) without putting anything else 
>>>>> on, though I'll toss on my Filson's mackinaw if breezy or colder than 35 
>>>>> out or I won't be moving much.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ventile is well worth saving up for. Delighted with my Hilltrek 
>>>>> (Cotton Analogy), and some of their jackets come in very reasonably and 
>>>>> 

Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Montclair BobbyB]

Naahhh... Steve P and I are good friends... he just loves to bust my 
chops... no worries.
I'm feelin the love.

Peace,
BB
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013 3:34:43 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> Is it just me or is this thread getting ridiculously cranky?   Ah, yes, 
> it's December...the usual winter surliness.
>
> Smile and go for a ride if you can!  That's what I'm about to do...
>
> Regards,
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and 
> Technology
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
> Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian 
> Advisory Committee
>
>
>
> On Wed, Dec 18, 2013 at 12:27 PM, Steve Palincsar 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> On 12/18/2013 03:16 PM, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>>> My friend Bobby said earlier (and I quote):  "if I were embarking on a 
>>> multi-day tour away from civilization, I'd have a lightweight, compact kit 
>>> with me that would get me through any potential jam with my brakes"
>>>
>>> Would you like him to describe the contents of this kit?  I'll wager 
>>> that DOT brake fluid is one of the items.  Correspondingly, I bet you and 
>>> Jan would carry a brake cable in your kit, since brake cables also do not 
>>> grow on trees (so to speak).
>>>
>>
>> Tell you what else, shift cables do not grow on trees either.  And when 
>> you have front and rear panniers on your bike and you're riding in rural 
>> West Virginia when your shift cable breaks, you will quickly discover, as I 
>> did, that in a town without a bike shop there isn't anything you can find 
>> in a hardware store that will work as a substitute.  And believe you me, 
>> picture hanging wire just won't do:  I know.  I tried.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Montclair BobbyB]

Shimano disc brakes use a special mineral oil (which comes in a small, easy to 
carry sealed plastic bottle).  Other brakes use DOT brake fluid... Easy to 
find, even in the wilds. BB

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Re: [RBW] Re: Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Great story... I remember when I was 9 years old (Sept 1967), and wanting a 
bicycle.   Having 10 kids, my Dad (also a Depression-era kid and vet) 
couldn't afford to buy us all bikes (let alone new ones), so we typically 
had to save up our own money to buy our own used bikes. We went to the 
local family-run Schwinn shop, Reidinger's in Upper Montclair, NJ to look 
at (traded-in) used bikes.  I saw a beautiful 1963 red Schwinn Typhoon with 
matching fenders, fat tires and white rims with black pinstriping...a 
single speed coaster klunker. The price was $18, but I only had $9 (my 
entire life savings at the time).  My dad gave me the additional $9 that I 
needed... That bike meant more to me than any other bike I have ever owned.


On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:29:39 PM UTC-5, redsydude wrote:
>
> My younger brother and I had Schwinn 3 speeds when we were kids in the 
> 1960s.  When my brother was 15 he wanted a Raleigh Grand Prix and he saved 
> $150.  My dad took us to a bike store in Portland but the Raleigh was 
> $180.  Dad was a Depression kid, WWII vet and pretty tight but he gave my 
> brother $30 so he could get his bike.  I don't have a lot of memories from 
> my youth but that was awesome.  
>  
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 11:04:27 AM UTC-8, Matthew J wrote:
>
>> I have an Eisentraut, too, though from the '70s. From what I know of his 
>> history, he built race frames almost exclusively. He was probably the best 
>> American frame builder of the day, but I don't see him as compararble to 
>> Riv. 
>>
>> That's the rub, I'ld say.  Until 1970, when as Steve points out above 
>> Schwinn first started selling lugged Japanese made frames, a person looking 
>> to buy a practical bike that could handle commuting, touring, light camping 
>> and fun rides was probably going to wind up with a Schwinn Varsity, 
>> Continental, or maybe even the Collegiate.  
>>
>> Paramounts and the few custom builders out there were mainly for racers. 
>>  Really a reflection of the market at the time.  Cycle commuting and 
>> touring were very rare.  Sport cyclists existed, but no where near as 
>> mainstream as they are today.  
>>
>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 12:23:42 PM UTC-6, Jim M. wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:40:25 AM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:

  On 12/17/2013 12:22 PM, Jim M. wrote:

 But the question isn't just who are among the best American frame 
 builders today; it's in the 1960s.  And in the 1960s, Peter Weigle had yet 
 to move to England, along with Richard Sachs, to learn how to build 
 frames.  As was mentioned, Albert Eisentraut does date to that period, 
 having begun in 1959.  


>>> Yes, Steve, I agree with you. I'm just pointing out the difference 
>>> between the questions asked, using an example from today.
>>>
>>> I have an Eisentraut, too, though from the '70s. From what I know of his 
>>> history, he built race frames almost exclusively. He was probably the best 
>>> American frame builder of the day, but I don't see him as compararble to 
>>> Riv.
>>>
>>> jim m
>>> wc ca
>>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: A moment of sadness

[Montclair BobbyB]

Hoping you have more better days than bad (something we all have to varying 
degrees). It makes us appreciative of the days when we CAN ride our 
bikes... sustaining us through the not-so-good days when we can at least 
replay in our minds the great rides we've had. 

Wishing you improving health, Cecily.
BB  

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:46:45 PM UTC-5, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> My osteoarthritis has become so bad in the last few weeks that it's nearly 
> impossible to ride my Betty Foy. Even after a professional bike fitting, I 
> simply don't have enough flexibility in the knee to make pedaling possible. 
> Part of me feels like it's punishment for buying such an expensive bike in 
> the first place, but the thing that hurts the most is I'll have to take 
> *public transit* to work until things improve/until surgery, whichever 
> comes first. 
>
> But at least I'll finally have time to put the Nitto front rack on the 
> bike. 
>
> *heavy sigh*
> Cecily
>

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[RBW] Re: Dancing Around the Lugged Steel Maypole

[Montclair BobbyB]

Disclaimer:  I admit I'm a slightly over-zealous, biased proponent of 
hydraulic disc brakes, so please take this as nothing more than absolute 
truth :).  I'm sure SRAM will solve whatever problem is plaguing these 
particular disc brakes, but I have to say in the last 10 years of riding in 
sub-freezing weather on hydraulic discs without a single failure, I have 
only experienced superior performance and reliability with hydraulic discs 
under severe conditions.

Look, we all know rim brakes (under the right conditions) are a 
time-tested, simple and reliable technology, BUT can be subject to all 
kinds of rim variables and conditions that can affect their reliabilty... 
(e.g. muck, wet, snow & ice that collects on the rims, misaligned pads, 
poor lever/cable setup, trueness of rim, etc.).

Disc brakes are generally not impacted by these same rim conditions (other 
than poor setup/adjustment... which still leads to lousy braking 
regardless).

Cable-actuated disc brakes are less-impacted by mud, muck and ice, but 
still have moving, semi-exposed cables, calipers and springs that can 
really stiffen up in cold weather.
Hydraulic disc brakes are less-impacted by mud, much and ice, and are 
mostly sealed to the elements.  Besides the plunger at the lever and the 
pistons, fluid (in a sealed environment) is the only thing moving.  Just 
like automobile brakes and heavy equipment hydraulics, hydraulic brakes on 
bikes are designed to function reliably in extreme conditions.

And anyone who claims hydraulic brake lines can't easily be fixed out in 
the wilds just hasn't done it, that's all. It's not rocket science.  In 
fact if I were embarking on a multi-day tour away from civilization, I'd 
have a lightweight, compact kit with me that would get me through any 
potential jam with my brakes... but then again there's also a very high 
probability I'd never need to use it. 

Like em or not, it takes a much stronger case to bash hydraulic disc 
brakes.Hydraulic rim brakes?  Sorry, can't argue that one...  End of 
rant.

BB

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:56:56 PM UTC-5, Doug Williams wrote:
>
> I'm weaving flowers into my beard right now and looking for a lugged steel 
> maypole. Care to join me? From SRAM and the Bike Snob New York:
>
> Doug
>
>
> *It has recently come to our attention that during last weekend’s 
> Cyclocross racing in the US, in sub freezing temperatures, several failures 
> were reported. In these conditions the master cylinder seals failed to hold 
> pressure resulting in abrupt loss of brake power, and an inability to stop 
> the bike. These failures are related to product that is outside the 
> originally stated date code range and unrelated to the original failure 
> mode. No injuries have been reported to date.*
>
> *As a result of this new finding, SRAM requests that anyone who has a bike 
> equipped with SRAM Hydraulic Disc or Hydraulic Rim Brakes stop using the 
> bike immediately. All products shipped to date, and currently in the market 
> or in inventory will be recalled.*
>
> Upon reading this, retrogrouches around the world wove flowers into their 
> beards and danced arm-in-arm around the lugged steel maypole, reveling in 
> the irony that the very conditions in which hydrolic dick breaks are 
> supposed to excel were instead their undoing.  Meanwhile, the experts at 
> SRAM have been working around the clock to find a new way to convince 
> people that you need hydraulic braking for slow bicycle races that last 
> only 45 minutes to an hour in which you have access to a spare bicycle 
> roughly every five minutes.
>
> As for the hydraulic rim brakes, all SRAM has to say about that is that if 
> you actually bought those then the joke's on you. 
>

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Re: [RBW] Who was RBW back in the 1960's?

[Montclair BobbyB]

I think you're right.. Schwinn (Paramount) was the only company (at least 
that I can recall) manufacturing lugged racing/touring frames in the US in 
the 60s.  There were other US brands in the mass-market (like Rollfast, 
Columbia, Huffy, etc), but I don't recall any of them focusing on racing or 
touring bikes as much as Schwinn.  The Varsity and Continental were 
introduced in 1960 (I owned a 1963 2-tone blue & white Conti up until a few 
years ago); these were fillet-brazed, heavy steel (not of the same quality 
as the Paramounts).   

I loved the Raleighs of the early to mid-70s (including the Competition, 
and of course the International & Professional), and even the earlier 
Record/Grand Prix.

Wonder why (back then) lugged bikes were so prevalent outside the US and 
not so popular here?  But then again, you never could have convinced me to 
buy anything other than a Varsity or Continental... to me (back then) 
everything else seemed *too cheap* (funny... )  

On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 9:51:20 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> I agree Paramounts are gorgeous handmade frames, and is likely the 
> pinnacle of American handmade bicycles during the time - and maybe the only 
> example we'll come up with..  Does it count the same as the branded 
> Waterford frames?  
> But if you look at the flagships, Varsity vs. Grand Prix - there are two 
> different manufacturing approaches from opposite sides of the pond to 
> produce a bicycle in the 70s.  
>
> On Tuesday, December 17, 2013 8:30:50 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:
>>
>> Schwinn was making beautiful, lugged Paramounts back in those days. Those 
>> bikes are very collectable and are still ridden today.
>>
>> Eric N
>> www.CampyOnly.com
>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>
>> On Dec 16, 2013, at 10:27 PM, Michael  wrote:
>>
>> Who made the USA's finest lugged, steel, frames back then and what were 
>> the prices like?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Who pre ordered an English Jacket?

[Montclair BobbyB]

IF YOU WEAR A SIZE XXL, there's a seller on eBay with one (or possibly 
more) Nike Ventile shells (with removable liner)... Retail $725... blowout 
price $149 !!!  I was a bit leery (at this price) and took a gamble, but I 
just received mine in the mail, and it appears to be the genuine article; a 
high-quality, well-constructed hooded Ventile jacket, new with tags. 
Personally I can do without the quilted liner (which fortunately now 
becomes my new stylin' housecoat/robe... bonus!!!) Instead, with my wool 
Boreal Shirt as an underlayer, I've got a great winter combo for active 
outdoor stuff like hikin', bikin' and curlin'... bring it!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/140983950399?var=440129387509&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/140983950399?var=440129387509&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649>
<http://www.ebay.com/itm/140983950399?var=440129387509&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1439.l2649>
Peace,
Bobby *(Nanook of New Jersey)* Birmingham 

On Friday, November 22, 2013 12:04:57 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Ventile (and similar) cotton is essentially hand-made fabric, involving 
> painstaking detail from selecting the cotton and to setting up the weaving 
> process; hence the high cost.  It IS indeed nice stuff (if you can afford 
> it).  But because of the high cost, I have to think of Ventile as being 
> like really special bicycle tubing, which by itself is nice, but is really 
> only as good as the finished product.  And so when I finally bite the 
> bullet and plop down many hundreds on a Ventile jacket, it better have 
> everything I want in a jacket, because I'm literally gonna sleep in this 
> baby Hood, waist drawstring, pockets galore, plenty of room for under 
> layers, and a certain all-round style, ... all these things gotta be just 
> right.  It's nice to see Riv making a quality jacket like this, and there 
> are already some really nice Ventile jackets out there already (at similar 
> prices) being sold by Wiggy's, Howies, Hilltrek, etc...  
>
> And there are other materials (like wool and conventional cotton) that can 
> serve most of my needs but I will be saving my pennies for a fine 
> cotton jacket... one day. 
>
>
>
>
>
>  
>
> On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:22:14 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>
>> I think the new English Jacket looks pretty swank.  Who is getting one 
>> from the pre-sale?  
>>
>> I'm definitely going to try one on at the Grand Opening Party in 
>> December.  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Surly-Riv-rivalry?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wow, Frank, you're raised your kids well... Congratulations to you (and to 
them).  BB

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[RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wow, you must have one of the *early* versions... Mine has bungee and 
cord-locks, which although are practical and useful, I would prefer 
non-stretch paracord with perhaps a decorative slide/lock.

But hey, if I'm gonna become a serious survivalist/mountain man I guess I 
best learn my knots... Thanks!!!

BB

On Friday, December 13, 2013 10:30:12 AM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:
>
> BobbyB!  Most excellent report on your Boreal Shirt.  Yes, you will love 
> it for a long time.  The leather lacing is a fun place to adorn your shirt; 
> I assume yours is laced "upsidedown" as mine was/is meaning that the ends 
> of the laces come out of the bottom eyelets rather than the top eyelets.  
> Once I got used to it, this is a great one-handed design .  Anyway, you an 
> use a hearty trade bead with a big hole as a slider or make a decorative 
> knot.  A lanyard knot works really nicely and looks swellegant and sailorly.
>
>
> http://www.animatedknots.com/lanyard/index.php?Categ=decorative&LogoImage=LogoGrog.jpg&Website=www.animatedknots.com
>
> http://www.craftingspot.com/artistic_knots.html
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Montclair BobbyB]

*...the guy who designed the "bongs, farts, and chainsaws" 
sticker might not be up to speed on his Baudelaire...*

How can you be so sure?  After all, was not one of Baudelaire's most famous 
works* "Les pets du mal"* ???



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>
>  
>  
> I'll go out on a limb and predict that the guy who designed the "bongs, 
> farts, and chainsaws" sticker *might* not be up to speed on his Baudelaire
>
> On Thursday, December 12, 2013 1:34:16 PM UTC-8, Steve Palincsar wrote:
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> On 12/12/2013 11:57 AM, Edwin W wrote:
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Re: [RBW] Re: Price change on my 83 Stump jumper

[Montclair BobbyB]

... although seriously... Ritchey has mad skills with a brazing torch... 
That's one beautiful bike just saying

On Thursday, December 12, 2013 10:49:26 PM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I prefer this listing for goofy ebay pricing examples.
>
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/Tom-Ritchey-Custom-Road-Bike-/331020657069?pt=US_Bicycles_Frames&hash=item4d125e61ad
>
>>
>>>  

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[RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

[Montclair BobbyB]

My Boreal Shirt arrived today. WOW... What a quality, heavy duty garment... 
I'm totally blown away. Worth every penny... Walked to the pub; temps in 
the teens... Wore it under a waxed cotton field jacket...extremely warm and 
toasty.  Literally a warm blanket, made into an anorak... Love it!!!

This will last a LONG time... Will wholeheartedly recommend this.  BB

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:06:45 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:oo

> BobbyB, I went through the exercise last year for a tincloth outer layer 
> and ended up buying a very nice Italian-made lined field coat from 
> sierratradingpost.  But as far as a good waxed cotton shell goes, the best 
> I saw was the Filson all-season rain shell.  
> http://www.filson.com/products/all-season-raincoat-extra-long.10029.html  
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:06:05 PM UTC-6, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Patrick:
>>
>> My requirements may not be quite as demanding ... slightly milder climate 
>> and (admittedly) I'm more foul-weather averse... I'm OK with cold, but 
>> prefer to not venture too much in rainy and windy conditions... We get 
>> enough "nice, cold, calm days" in between.  If I had to choose only one 
>> garment I'd choose a tough wool jacket any day.
>>  
>> The wool jackets for $60-$90 from Fred Asbell look nice in the photos, 
>> but I gotta believe they're not quite built the same as the Boreal Shirt. 
>>  Three separate testimonies from seasoned field users of the Boreal Shirt 
>> rave about it as one of the best pieces of equipment they have ever owned, 
>> and from sleeping in it outside in cold weather to wearing it all season in 
>> the woods, it's built for warmth and durability. 
>>
>> The Duluth Pack jacket looks nice, but add a pocket and the price (at 
>> $240) is at parity with the Boreal.  The Boreal looks more rugged, and is 
>> hand-stitched.  But I guess I'll have to wait to see if I made a good 
>> choice!
>>
>> And yes, the Hilltrek jackets ARE really nice... I may have to liquidate 
>> assets (gee, that's a measure I typically reserve only for when I'm saving 
>> for a bike)...  
>>
>> Peace, BB
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:49:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> BobbyB, on the links you shared, I 'm seeing the wool jackets for 
>>> $60-$90, so I'm wondering what you're getting for $250. There's this too: 
>>> http://duluthpack.com/home-cabin/clothing-accessories/mens/mens-jackets/wool-blanket-shirt.html<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fduluthpack.com%2Fhome-cabin%2Fclothing-accessories%2Fmens%2Fmens-jackets%2Fwool-blanket-shirt.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHjhOexkBVH_afCxPmz718FB4-gMg>(they
>>>  also have canvas anaroks, mitts, etc).
>>>
>>> I'm all for hearty wool and layering, that's what I do. It's the time of 
>>> year when I'm always wearing my long john wool shirt and wool sweater. It's 
>>> easy to go outside and be moving around in the sun, then come in (we keep 
>>> our house cooler, upper 50's-low 60's) without putting anything else on, 
>>> though I'll toss on my Filson's mackinaw if breezy or colder than 35 out or 
>>> I won't be moving much.
>>>
>>> Ventile is well worth saving up for. Delighted with my Hilltrek (Cotton 
>>> Analogy), and some of their jackets come in very reasonably and have that 
>>> anarok design. 
>>> http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Foinaven_Cotton_Analogy__Smock.html(I
>>>  got the Liathach Extreme and love the better hood, waist cinch and other 
>>> upgrades).
>>>
>>> Personally, rather than spending more on a heavies wool option, I'd 
>>> suggest layering with more wool and getting the cotton analogy sooner 
>>> rather than later. The outer garnet is perfect year round for all kinds of 
>>> conditions, and then you layer as needed underneath, making those layers 
>>> less critical (unless you're going lightweight down) to spend more coin on.
>>>
>>> I look forward to hearing what you find and decide and how it works for 
>>> you.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:39:40 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>>>
>>>> With Winter fast approaching, I've been looking to invest in some 
>>>> long-term durable apparel (made from natural materials like wool or 
>>>> cotton) 
>>>> to make my outdoor experien

[RBW] Re: Just Got Our English Riding Jackets

[Montclair BobbyB]

Congratulations, Liesl on your marriage... I hope you enjoy a lifetime of 
happiness together.  

BB

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:01:15 PM UTC-5, Jim M. wrote:
>
> Heartfelt congratulations on your marriage! The jacket will look great 
> with your new bike. I hope we get a chance to see it here in Walnut Creek.
>
> jim m
> wc ca
>
> On Monday, December 9, 2013 9:31:45 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hey Roger, thanks for the congrat's.  The Warhorse is still a filly so 
>> she's got a little ways to go—hopefully in Colorado with the builder!
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seriously deranged, no limits road bike riding

[Montclair BobbyB]

...guy has broken his back doing these stunts...

So has Danny Mac... I guess that seems to be a trend in this biz.  BTW if 
you haven't already, you should watch some of Danny Mac's YouTube vids, 
where he's pulling stunts on his normal bike... this stuff is not of this 
earth... 




On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 11:59:59 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
>
> Liesl,
>
> I know you are good at this.  Don't need youtube for you.  I believe you. 
>  Elephants.  Next time think elephants.  Oh, wait.  There's that proof that 
> it happened thing in here.
>
> BB
>
> "imagine what Ernesto Colnago would think"
>
> I cannot.
>
> Seriously, as per pb, guy has broken his back doing these stunts.  Not 
> worth it IMO.
>
> I am just amazed that any of this can be done on a road bike.
>
> Best regards,
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 7:33:30 PM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm not sure what happened—the part with me jumping across five snowman 
>> heads with War Horseapaloosa must've gotten edited out.  What gives? Was it 
>> my outfit?
>>
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[RBW] Re: Racing Sucks

[Montclair BobbyB]

Like em or not, Surly is puttin it out there... I appreciate their courage 
to be different.

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 8:29:56 PM UTC-5, ascpgh wrote:
>
> For me, bike racing was not the thing in which to compete. I did my due 
> diligence in my competitive discipline, I know the sacrifices, I can share 
> and relate with others about the *depravities we have in common. Bike 
> racers know nothing of the cycling I undertake nor are they prepared to 
> follow me as I am not them.*
>
> *Cycling had always been my refuge from the all-in necessity of 
> competition as I had been trained for it. Then the sign-sprint toads 
> started showing up on my mountain bike rides and I had to veer into more 
> odd cycling pursuits than they were interested. Anyone who knows the 
> rearrangement one's life must undertake in order to truly be competitive in 
> their personal pursuit knows well enough that anything below that level is 
> a joke and a situation begging for someone to get hurt. I just would like 
> to ride my bike, be it my Rivendell or my Surly; font on the down tube *
> *independent.*
>
> *Andy Cheatham*
>
> *Pittsburgh*
>  
>
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 10:36:41 AM UTC-5, iamkeith wrote:
>>
>> Thought many of you fellow un-racers might appreciate this  as much as I 
>> do: 
>>
>> http://surlybikes.com/blog/post/racing_sucks
>>
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[RBW] Re: Seriously deranged, no limits road bike riding

[Montclair BobbyB]

One can only imagine what Ernesto Colnago would think watching that 
video... 

On Tuesday, December 10, 2013 5:23:58 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
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> Road Bike Party
>
> There will be no more excuses or limits.
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: For Sale, Nigel Smythe Trunksack, Mini Front Rack, Brooks Countess, others

[Montclair BobbyB]

Shame the bike cave is bursting at the seams... That Stumpy is awfully 
nice... Can't  must not open link tophotos

On Monday, December 9, 2013 4:32:09 PM UTC-5, Peter M wrote:
>
> Update, grips and headset are spoken for as well. Thanks all
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 4:00 PM, Peter Morgano 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> Hello all. My closing date is creeping up and my wife has informed me 
>> there will be no "bike room" since we will be having her elderly mother 
>> over more often than not. I will survive but my bike collection has to be 
>> pared down. 
>>
>> FS--all prices include shipping
>>
>> Nigel Smythe Trunksack in tweed-perfect condition, irish strap 
>> included--$85
>>
>> Nitto mini front rack, looks new, includes bolts and nuts--$85
>>
>> Brooks Countess--My wife rode this for 30 miles, she liked the old Terry 
>> better--$75
>>
>> Mismatched set of cork grips, one bar end one not, brand new--$15
>>
>> Dia Compe 135 brake levers-$10
>>
>> Alfine Chain Tensioner--$15
>>
>> Tange Levin headset-used but with plenty of life, free for the price of 
>> shipping $5
>>
>> I also still have my 1983 Rivved out Stumpjumper for sale, again prefer 
>> not to ship since shipping from Brooklyn costs so much. I have 500 in it 
>> but need to unload, will take $400, can meet in the 4 boroughs. 
>>
>> Here is a link to my flikr page, I am a reasonable person, open to any 
>> reasonable offer. Thanks all
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/67889635@N06/ 
>>  
>> Peter
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Eric:  Coming from a fellow Niner rider (I ride an MCR), I'd better believe 
it.  Great write-up (especially like the snow photos).  I actually ran into 
a few R&D dudes from Surly at the Fruita Fat Tire festival in April.  We 
had just finished a thrill ride on Zippity-Doo-Dah and ran into these guys 
in the lot (where I immediately noticed this awesome bike layin on its 
side)... I said to the guy "That looks like Pugsley's big brother"... He 
replied "It's a Krampus... 29er... here, take it for a spin"... So I did. 
 WOW, surprisingly fast and nimble, although it was all on flat, fast and 
flowy dirt/sand single track... I didn't get a chance to climb with it... 
but wow, what a cool (and FUN) bike.  They both had em (prototypes), set up 
for SS... Perhaps one day... although I gotta say, riding a nice steel, 
nimble 29er on tight technical forested trails is so blissful, I wonder how 
it could ever get better...  

But sorry, this is getting off-topic... Still, I hope where this is all 
heading is with further growth of the 'adventure bike' category... 
something that all Rivs seem to comfortably fit in already... 

Peace,
BB


On Monday, December 9, 2013 8:17:27 PM UTC-5, Eric Daume wrote:
>
> I demo'd a Krampus this weekend, and I didn't find any issues with the 
> slacker head angle--and this is coming from a guy that really enjoyed a 
> mountain bike with a 74* head angle.
>
>
> http://bikingtoplay.blogspot.com/2013/12/global-fat-bike-day-and-krampus.html
>
> My bike fund is in some danger...
>
> Eric Daume
> Dublin, OH
>
>
> On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:09 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except 
>> I'm not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... 
>> maybe Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan tires)... 
>> still I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For 
>> downhill, great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly for 
>> touring I'd rather have something closer to 71/72.
>>
>> But maybe that's just me... 
>>
>> On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>>
>>> Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
>>> Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
>>> quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green.
>>>
>>> http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> Patrick Moore, contemplating a lugged, more-rake fork from Chauncey for 
>>> his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.
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[RBW] Re: What is a mountain bike?

[Montclair BobbyB]

I love what Surly is doing with the 29er+ bikes (Krampus / ECR), except I'm 
not a big fan of the slightly slack headtube angle (69.5 degree)... maybe 
Surly is concerned about toe overlap (with those gargantuan tires)... still 
I'd rather see a longer top tube than slack head angle... For downhill, 
great... but for climbing, nimble maneuvering and certainly for touring I'd 
rather have something closer to 71/72.

But maybe that's just me... 

On Sunday, December 8, 2013 6:40:54 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Not directly related to the Hunquapillar, but interesting in a 
> Rivendellianisticishianesquetic way or, at very least, 
> quasi-crypto-Rivendellian. Ish. And it's local, land of red 'n' green.
>
> http://gypsybytrade.wordpress.com/
>
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> his Fargo in frigid ABQ, NM.
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Re: [RBW] Re: Grant and Crabon Fibre

[Montclair BobbyB]

What on earth makes you think that's carbon???  Anyone can clearly tell 
that's chrome-monocoquedium... *right???* 

On Monday, December 9, 2013 2:21:47 PM UTC-5, dougP wrote:

> Caveat emptor when signing up for one of Grant's mystery bike projects.
>
> dougP
>
> On Monday, December 9, 2013 10:07:51 AM UTC-8, Ron Mc wrote:
>>
>> exactly - look what happened to Bridgestone 
>>
>> On Monday, December 9, 2013 12:05:36 PM UTC-6, George Schick wrote:
>>>
>>> I remember that photo!  IIRC, it was taken when he (they if you include 
>>> Sheldon) were at one of those NAHBS shows.  He was lampooning the latest 
>>> evolution of the Bridgestone products.
>>>
>>> On Monday, December 9, 2013 11:49:19 AM UTC-6, Eric Norris wrote:

 Carbon Cop?

 --Eric N
 www.CampyOnly.com
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 On Dec 9, 2013, at 9:34 AM, Liesl  wrote:

 What do you think his badge authorizes him to do?

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[RBW] Re: Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

Nice!  Hey, I just paid $20 for NOS gum brake hoods for a project, so I can 
appreciate paying a little extra for rare stuff.  

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[RBW] Re: Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

I'll concede the point, and will respectfully agree to disagree.

Peace,
BB

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:59:37 AM UTC-5, joe b. wrote:
>
> Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...
>
> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
>  
> t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2b972b7a
>
> But it "was" $100!
>
> Best,
> joe "ships free, too!" broach
> portland, or
>

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Re: [RBW] Second Life Bikes - Kerri Martin

[Montclair BobbyB]

Love the BikeBBQ concept...  awesome.  (Thx)

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:21:20 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Re-purposed Moustache bars, definitely Riv-friendly!!! 
> http://secondlifebikes.org/moustaches-and-bicycles/ 
>
> And out here in lil' ol' Redlands, we have the Bike BBQ (started out 
> as an outdoor bike kitchen) which is going strong after three+ years! 
> 100% volunteer and donation based operation, changing lives one bike 
> at a time! 
>
> http://www.bikebbq.com/ & 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclotourist/sets/72157631867210347/ 
>
> In the works: The Strada Rossa after-party will be hosted by them, 
> donations graciously accepted! 
>
>
> On 12/5/13, Montclair BobbyB > wrote: 
> > Hope this is not too OT;  I'm sharing this mainly because it IS 
> > bike-related, and I find it highly inspiring. I know this RBW group 
> draws 
> > inspiration from individuals who are worth knowing. And Kerri Martin is 
> one 
> > 
> > such person worth knowing. 
> > 
> > Second Life Bikes is a community bike organization in Asbury Park, NJ 
> (my 
> > home state) that provides bikes to kids in return for work/"sweat 
> equity", 
> > kinda like Habitat for Humanity. 
> > Some claim that Asbury Park (despite suffering economic decay for years) 
> is 
> > 
> > undergoing a renaissance. The potential is certainly there, but in 
> reality 
> > it's still a tough town, and for kids growing up there, it's pretty easy 
> to 
> > 
> > get into trouble.  The introduction of bicycles into this community is 
> > having a dramatic and positive impact, thanks to one brave and visionary 
> > young lady, who started this idea out of a church garage. 
> > 
> > My friends and I are honored to donate time, $ and bikes/parts to this 
> > organization, and I have even bought (from their store) a used mixte for 
> my 
> > 
> > daughter (which BTW is now on it's "third life" with my friend Tom 
> > Allingham, following an amazing refurb).  I plan to be volunteer 
> wrenching 
> > at Second Life for the Christmas holiday. 
> > 
> > I recognize there are other organizations (and people) like this around 
> the 
> > 
> > country, but I just wanted to share this story of Kerri Martin... She's 
> one 
> > 
> > extraordinary lady.  *(BTW she rides an original SWEET-looking orange 
> > XO-1)*. 
> > What other organizations like Second Life Bikes do you have in your 
> > cities/regions? 
> > 
> > CBS news segment: 
> > http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-nj-some-kids-learn-there-is-no-free-ride/ 
> > Website: http://secondlifebikes.org/ 
> > 
> > Thanks, 
> > BB 
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[RBW] Re: Second Life Bikes - Kerri Martin

[Montclair BobbyB]

GREAT PROGRAM!!! Thx for sharing this.

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:39:18 PM UTC-5, Edwin W wrote:
>
> We have the Oasis Center bike workshop run by a nice guy named Dan. 
>
> https://www.oasiscenter.org/programs/youth-engagement-and-action/bike-workshop.html
>
> Nashville Ridin'
> Edwin
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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

Don't disagree with your perspective, Jim, but this is a little 
different... This guy is misrepresenting what he's selling by implying it's 
essentially the 'original' equivalent of the Rivendell Nitto bars.  We all 
know that's not even close. A fair price for these would be $25-$65 (or 
even over $100 if someone is willing to pay it). There are plenty of these 
out there selling in this reasonable price range.  But this practice is 
simply unethical and shouldn't be tolerated.

On Friday, December 6, 2013 7:59:52 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> There was a guy awhile back selling a chunk of nasty old used cable 
> housing off his Rivendell. I think he was more poking fun at the high level 
> of attention Riv items receive on eBay. And he was right! There is 
> undoubtedly a premium associated with anything Riv-related (which extends 
> to anything Nitto, etc). Some might argue that that premium is justified 
> for various reasons, while others shake their heads at our rationale for 
> forking over the big bucks for Riv-ish stuff. What, for example, justifies 
> the 300% price ratio between a Sam Hillborne and a Surly Cross-check or the 
> even larger differential between an Atlantis and LHT? They have similar 
> ride quality and expected service life and are made by the same nice 
> Taiwanese workers. The main differences are aesthetic and intangible 
> feelings about the two companies/brands.
>
> Determining value of an item is purely subjective. I personally wouldn't 
> give a nickel for any of the old French or Campagnolo bike parts that go 
> for huge money on eBay. I also wouldn't buy that Riv bottle even at a fair 
> price. But somewhere out there is a person who'll buy that stuff at those 
> prices and be happy about it.
>

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

OK here's another one, only this dope is really stooping to new lows... 
 first, by asking an outrageous price for a set of 80s bullmoose bars, but 
then using "Vintage Rivendell" in the title AND comparing these to the Riv 
Bullmoose bars...  Not only breaking eBay rules, but demonstrating he has 
absolutely no shame whatsoever... TOOL-meter registering a 10 !!! 

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nitto-Bullmoose-Handlebar-MTB-Vintage-Rivendell-/321267648890?&_trksid=p2056016.l4276



On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:32:59 AM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Caveat emptor... 
>
> *Once again proving PT Barnum's Corollary... "There are also plenty o' 
> scheisters out there..."*
>
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:04:23 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>>
>> On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
>> thil...@gmail.com> wrote: 
>> > 
>> > I often wondered about the business model of selling grossly overpriced 
>> items on eBay. Must be that suckers come along often enough to make it 
>> worth the time and cost. 
>>
>>
>> I always enjoy the auctions in which an item currently available in 
>> stores goes to the "winner" for 25% above current retail prices.  D'oh! 
>>  Shop victoriously!
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

[Montclair BobbyB]

Glad to hear, Liesl.  That campcoat is beautiful.  I just got notice from 
Jason Gustafson at Lester River that my Boreal Shirt is ready (wow, quicker 
than expected!!). Shame they couldn't get fabric this season... bummer.

BB 

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:15:54 PM UTC-5, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi all,
> (yes, I am alive but have been impossibly busy)
>
> I have several Empire Canvas items and they are *the bomb*.  Well made, 
> well designed, good materials, local (to me)/minnesota-made by a 
> one-man-in-his-garage (Kevin) shop.  I have an all-wool bushshirt, a 
> campcoat, an anorak, and an oil-cloth early version of the permafrost 
> parka.  Okay; it's clear I love Empire the way I love Riv.  The garment I 
> use the most for bicycling is the campcoat.  good from about 20 degrees to 
> 50 degrees depending on what I'm wearing underneath.  With a Filson vest 
> under it, it's pretty good down to 20; maybe 15.  This is without a 
> windshirt and with a 10 mile winter commute.  Kevin's stuff is just 
> outstanding.  Plus he is a really good guy.
>
> yours,
> Liesl
>

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[RBW] Re: Second Life Bikes - Kerri Martin

[Montclair BobbyB]

Now THAT'S what I'm talking about.  Awesome, Patrick!

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 3:38:55 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Great thread, BB. I was on the receiving end of a donated bike from these 
> folks -- it was what helped me understand that I needed steel and that a 
> China bike wouldn't do it. But on their bike I was able to ride 3 miles 
> returning almost as good as I left for the first time in 10+ years. They 
> hold a special place in my prayers.
> http://www.projectrecycle.org/#&panel1-1
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 1:26:19 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Hope this is not too OT;  I'm sharing this mainly because it IS 
>> bike-related, and I find it highly inspiring. I know this RBW group draws 
>> inspiration from individuals who are worth knowing. And Kerri Martin is one 
>> such person worth knowing.  
>>
>> Second Life Bikes is a community bike organization in Asbury Park, NJ (my 
>> home state) that provides bikes to kids in return for work/"sweat equity", 
>> kinda like Habitat for Humanity.
>> Some claim that Asbury Park (despite suffering economic decay for years) 
>> is undergoing a renaissance. The potential is certainly there, but in 
>> reality it's still a tough town, and for kids growing up there, it's pretty 
>> easy to get into trouble.  The introduction of bicycles into this community 
>> is having a dramatic and positive impact, thanks to one brave and visionary 
>> young lady, who started this idea out of a church garage.
>>
>> My friends and I are honored to donate time, $ and bikes/parts to this 
>> organization, and I have even bought (from their store) a used mixte for my 
>> daughter (which BTW is now on it's "third life" with my friend Tom 
>> Allingham, following an amazing refurb).  I plan to be volunteer wrenching 
>> at Second Life for the Christmas holiday.
>>
>> I recognize there are other organizations (and people) like this around 
>> the country, but I just wanted to share this story of Kerri Martin... She's 
>> one extraordinary lady.  *(BTW she rides an original SWEET-looking 
>> orange XO-1)*. What other organizations like Second Life Bikes do you 
>> have in your cities/regions?  
>>
>> CBS news segment: 
>> http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-nj-some-kids-learn-there-is-no-free-ride/ 
>> Website: http://secondlifebikes.org/
>>
>> Thanks, 
>> BB
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar As "True" Mountain Bike?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Addison:

I ride a Niner MCR, which is built from Reynolds 853 steel (quality 
thin-walled, lively steel that gives a superior ride).  The Specialized 
Crave has an aluminum frame with a carbon fork.  I'd venture a guess that 
this is geared mostly towards MTB racing (light, stiff and no doubt fast). 
Personally I would stay clear of rigid aluminum and definitely away from 
carbon. On the other hand if you weigh less than 175 lbs, you might not 
share the same concerns (about harsh ride and fear of catastrophic failure) 
as I.  But honestly, given the impressive list of steel bikes you've owned, 
why not stick with steel?... There are some great ones out there (including 
the Hunq, BTW). The MCR is no longer built, but the Niner SIR9 offers SS 
and geared configs in a single frame, along with that legendary steel feel.

BB

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 3:14:14 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> What kind of fully rigid 29er are you riding?  I've been eyeing this:
>
> http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bikes/mountain/crave/crave-sl-29<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.specialized.com%2Fus%2Fen%2Fbikes%2Fmountain%2Fcrave%2Fcrave-sl-29&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNFOD2B7Bj7TCw98H6r-zn3RJjKSOw>
>
> Not my usual aesthetic at all!  But I like the simplicity of it.  I found 
> that I would get over my head quickly when I had a full suspension.
>
> Speaking to the overall topic of this thread...I tend to think of a 
> Mountain Bike as a pretty specific thing anymore.  Not because you can't 
> ride dirt/trails on a host of other rigs...but mountain bikes have a pretty 
> distinctive feel to them.  I say this having regularly ridden my MB-1, Riv 
> Allrounder, Gunnar Crosshairs, and Gunnar Sport in dirt.  Those are all fun 
> bikes to ride in a multitude of surfaces,..but the MB-1 is distinctly 
> better for "mountain biking" as was my full suspension bike that I have 
> since sold.
>
> Not trying to pick nits though.
>
>
>
> Addison Wilhite
> Educator - The Academy of Arts, Careers & Technology, Reno, Nevada (
> http://www.washoecountyschools.org/aact/)
> Blogger - Reno Rambler (http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com)
> Bicycle Advocate - Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian 
> Advisory Committee (
> http://www.rtcwashoe.com/public-transportation-22-124.html)
>  
>
> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 12:01 PM, Montclair BobbyB 
> 
> > wrote:
>
>> After years of riding full-suspension (and suffering countless endos in 
>> technical terrain), I finally settled back into riding only fully-rigid 
>> 29ers, which I have been blissfully riding for the past few years... I'll 
>> never go back.  For the slow techie stuff, I simply have better control.. 
>> just slower and more precise.  You get instant feedback, precise control, 
>> and a better sense of your limitations. I don't do jumps, so don't need the 
>> suspension.  Besides, a steel Niner with tubeless 2.35s isn't completely 
>> devoid of "give"...  The frame, tires, legs and arms provide all the give I 
>> need.  But the responsiveness and snappy feel of steel... BLISSFUL!!!
>>
>> Not entirely knocking suspension... ALL my friends ride full-suspension, 
>> most with AMAZING skill... It's just not for me, that's all.
>> BB
>>
>> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:30:10 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
>>>
>>> Why have sus: You can go the same places, just a LOT faster! :)
>>>
>>> Climbing or flats are about the same, but you can go much faster 
>>> downhill with suspension. 
>>>
>>> Especially without having your arms ache at the end of it!
>>>
>>>
>>> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Good question. A related question is why would someone choose a bike 
>>>> with a front suspension, or a bike with a full suspension, over a 
>>>> rigid bike like the Hunq? Assuming that one is a normally skilled Riv 
>>>> rider (not a crazy stunt rider, but someone who is comfortable on 
>>>> gravel roads), when if ever would a suspension bike be a better 
>>>> choice? 
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Brian Campbell  
>>>> wrote: 
>>>> > I was wondering if anyone was using their Hunq as a "true" mountain 
>>>> bike? By 
>>>> > which, I mean, no racks, fenders or bags.While it is a very versatile 
>>>> > frameset, does anyone use theirs only in off road scenarios? If yes, 
>>>>  what 
>>>> > are your thoughts on what it does well and maybe (shu

[RBW] Second Life Bikes - Kerri Martin

[Montclair BobbyB]

Hope this is not too OT;  I'm sharing this mainly because it IS 
bike-related, and I find it highly inspiring. I know this RBW group draws 
inspiration from individuals who are worth knowing. And Kerri Martin is one 
such person worth knowing.  

Second Life Bikes is a community bike organization in Asbury Park, NJ (my 
home state) that provides bikes to kids in return for work/"sweat equity", 
kinda like Habitat for Humanity.
Some claim that Asbury Park (despite suffering economic decay for years) is 
undergoing a renaissance. The potential is certainly there, but in reality 
it's still a tough town, and for kids growing up there, it's pretty easy to 
get into trouble.  The introduction of bicycles into this community is 
having a dramatic and positive impact, thanks to one brave and visionary 
young lady, who started this idea out of a church garage.

My friends and I are honored to donate time, $ and bikes/parts to this 
organization, and I have even bought (from their store) a used mixte for my 
daughter (which BTW is now on it's "third life" with my friend Tom 
Allingham, following an amazing refurb).  I plan to be volunteer wrenching 
at Second Life for the Christmas holiday.

I recognize there are other organizations (and people) like this around the 
country, but I just wanted to share this story of Kerri Martin... She's one 
extraordinary lady.  *(BTW she rides an original SWEET-looking orange XO-1)*. 
What other organizations like Second Life Bikes do you have in your 
cities/regions?  

CBS news segment: 
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/in-nj-some-kids-learn-there-is-no-free-ride/ 
Website: http://secondlifebikes.org/

Thanks, 
BB

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Re: [RBW] Hunqapillar As "True" Mountain Bike?

[Montclair BobbyB]

After years of riding full-suspension (and suffering countless endos in 
technical terrain), I finally settled back into riding only fully-rigid 
29ers, which I have been blissfully riding for the past few years... I'll 
never go back.  For the slow techie stuff, I simply have better control.. 
just slower and more precise.  You get instant feedback, precise control, 
and a better sense of your limitations. I don't do jumps, so don't need the 
suspension.  Besides, a steel Niner with tubeless 2.35s isn't completely 
devoid of "give"...  The frame, tires, legs and arms provide all the give I 
need.  But the responsiveness and snappy feel of steel... BLISSFUL!!!

Not entirely knocking suspension... ALL my friends ride full-suspension, 
most with AMAZING skill... It's just not for me, that's all.
BB

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 2:30:10 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> Why have sus: You can go the same places, just a LOT faster! :)
>
> Climbing or flats are about the same, but you can go much faster downhill 
> with suspension. 
>
> Especially without having your arms ache at the end of it!
>
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 10:35:01 AM UTC-8, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> Good question. A related question is why would someone choose a bike 
>> with a front suspension, or a bike with a full suspension, over a 
>> rigid bike like the Hunq? Assuming that one is a normally skilled Riv 
>> rider (not a crazy stunt rider, but someone who is comfortable on 
>> gravel roads), when if ever would a suspension bike be a better 
>> choice? 
>>
>> On Thu, Dec 5, 2013 at 5:43 AM, Brian Campbell  
>> wrote: 
>> > I was wondering if anyone was using their Hunq as a "true" mountain 
>> bike? By 
>> > which, I mean, no racks, fenders or bags.While it is a very versatile 
>> > frameset, does anyone use theirs only in off road scenarios? If yes, 
>>  what 
>> > are your thoughts on what it does well and maybe (shudder) what it does 
>> not 
>> > do well? 
>> > 
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar As "True" Mountain Bike?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Patrick:

I'm confident *(by anyone's definition)* your Hunq qualifies as a "mountain 
bike" and you sir definitely qualify as a "mountain man"...

Peace,
BB

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 11:56:06 AM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> If where I ride mine, loaded or day riding, doesn't qualify it as a 
> mountain bike, then mountain bikes are much more exclusive that I thought. 
> By your definition though, my set up is DQed, but it seems to me that it 
> shows riding with racks, fenders, and bags really isn't critical to the 
> definition of a mountain bike. When I do a day ride, I can easily 
> experience temp fluctuations of 40-50˚F, with sun, rain, sleet, hail, snow, 
> wind -- and that's most any time of year. So I like a bag to carry stuff so 
> I'm comfortable. But if you consider the Great Divide Mountain Bike trail 
> and the Colorado Trail (including some of the more famous MTB sections and 
> technical sections) mountain biking, then I've done those with my 
> Hunqapillar.
>
> Too many photos to count, but the various sets will give you a feel for 
> what I ride:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets
>
> This set shows the setup closest to what you describe, on a fairly 
> technical section:
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/sets/72157633380317495/
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 6:43:18 AM UTC-7, Brian Campbell wrote:
>>
>> I was wondering if anyone was using their Hunq as a "true" mountain bike? 
>> By which, I mean, no racks, fenders or bags.While it is a very versatile 
>> frameset, does anyone use theirs only in off road scenarios? If yes,  what 
>> are your thoughts on what it does well and maybe (shudder) what it does not 
>> do well?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: A restoration is kicked off, officially

[Montclair BobbyB]

Bill:  Nice start; beautiful hubs!  Nothing like bringing back the lustre 
to rusted metal...  Considering a 27 to 700 conversion on my Fuji TS IV, so 
curious to see how well this works for you.  Keep pics coming... good luck. 
BB  

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:54:08 AM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> You are right, it's a conversion, or a resurrection.  Mainly it's going 
> back into active duty.  One of the things my father was all about was 
> repurposing.  He was a bit of a "keeper" if not quite a "hoarder".  "I'm 
> sure that'll be good for *something*".  So I can easily envision him 
> smiling when I take his old bike and do what I love, rebuilding and 
> repurposing it to a daily commuter that'll be with me daily.   
>
> On Thursday, December 5, 2013 5:25:09 AM UTC-8, Pondero wrote:
>>
>> Perfect project.  I read "restoration" in the subject line and imagined a 
>> bike restored to completely original parts and configuration.  But I see 
>> you have a wonderful plan for a bike project that includes restoration of 
>> the soul.  Just perfect.  Please keep us updated.
>>
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[RBW] Re: Hunqapillar As "True" Mountain Bike?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, but who's to judge what a "true" mountain bike is?  As the late William 
Nealy pointed out in his book, "The Mountain Biking Way of Knowledge" (a 
must-own for every 'true' mountain biker), the Vietnamese have been riding 
bicycles on the Ho Chi Minh trail for decades... and I'm sure these were 
Flying Pidgeons, not StumpJumpers.

I say a bike is defined by how far you're willing to take it. I have a 
so-called mountain bike (that frankly sucks as an all-around or 
commuter)... it's geared too low and the geometry is best suited for rough 
terrain at slow speed, yet I'm sure there are people who ride this same 
bike to work... so does that NOT qualify it as a commuter???

I say ride the elephant through the forest... go shred on your Hunq.

Peace,
BB

On Thursday, December 5, 2013 8:43:18 AM UTC-5, Brian Campbell wrote:
>
> I was wondering if anyone was using their Hunq as a "true" mountain bike? 
> By which, I mean, no racks, fenders or bags.While it is a very versatile 
> frameset, does anyone use theirs only in off road scenarios? If yes,  what 
> are your thoughts on what it does well and maybe (shudder) what it does not 
> do well?
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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

Caveat emptor... 

*Once again proving PT Barnum's Corollary... "There are also plenty o' 
scheisters out there..."*



On Thursday, December 5, 2013 9:04:23 AM UTC-5, Tim McNamara wrote:
>
> On Dec 5, 2013, at 3:51 AM, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery <
> thil...@gmail.com > wrote: 
> > 
> > I often wondered about the business model of selling grossly overpriced 
> items on eBay. Must be that suckers come along often enough to make it 
> worth the time and cost. 
>
>
> I always enjoy the auctions in which an item currently available in stores 
> goes to the "winner" for 25% above current retail prices.  D'oh!  Shop 
> victoriously!

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[RBW] Re: Which RBW Velosophies have worked for you? Which haven't?

[Montclair BobbyB]

*Things that changed my thinking:*
+1 on clothing... No longer get "dressed up" just to ride.  BTW spandex 
make awful rags... gotta figure out how to repurpose that material... 
Pine tar soap... GREAT STUFF.  Vaguely recalled it from ancient times (high 
school art class), but now I use it all the time (thanks to Keven Mowen 
gifting me a bar on a visit to RBW)
Saddle bags... Never considered them before; now can't live without em
Proper frame sizing and posture... Always wondered why riding seemed a 
painful chore... like wearing a suit that's too small... THIS has been a 
total game changer for me.
Dyno-lighting... thanks to improvements in hub dynos and LED lighting, it 
has truly arrived... now standard equipment on my rides

*Still some things I don't quite buy into (but understand their value to 
others):*
650B... skeptical that it will last (outside a select few devotees, and 
beyond the new surge in industry hype)... Most of all I'm angry that the 
Hetres 42s don't come in 26 or 700c (so I guess I've got an unfair chip on 
my shoulder about 650B) 
Drops... I own em...but just can't get comfortable down in the drops

*Trends I HOPE will never be embraced by this crowd:*
10/11 speed cassettes
Sloping top tubes (threatens the very aesthetics of the bicycle frame, IMO)
STRAVA... somebody please just run me over :)

Peace,
BB






On Thursday, November 21, 2013 3:09:58 PM UTC-5, blakcloud wrote:
>
> Rivendell reminded me how beautiful lugged frames can be. 
> That a nice bike doesn't have to have dropped bars.
> That you don't have to wear bike specific clothes. 
> Toe clips and straps are not needed. 
> Kick stands can be very useful.
>
> What hasn't and will never work for me, carrying anything behind me. 
> I much prefer my load to be in front in a basket on a porteur rack.
> 650 wheels are nice but so are 700 it is a wash for me. 
>
>
>
>
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Re: Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

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Well hey... I'm a reasonable guy...  Early May should be OK.  FYI Mother's 
Day is Sun May 11, and my daughter's college graduation is May 17-18, so 
would like to aim for the weekend of May 3-4.  

BB

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 9:20:11 PM UTC-5, Joan wrote:
>
> I vote for early May and having Anne attend would be terrific.
> Joan 
>  
>  
> On 11/28/13, Montclair BobbyB> wrote:
>  
> Early May is also a possibility, Anne... 
>
> On Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:42:27 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>
>> I'm going to be in northern NJ in early May, if that timeframe would work.
>>
>> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Steve Palincsar 
>> http://javascript:>> 
>> wrote:
>> > On 11/28/2013 12:13 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>> >
>> > When?
>> >
>> > "... (perhaps in the Spring) ..."
>> >  "...(in the April timeframe) ..."
>> >
>> >
>> > I'm definitely interested.
>> >
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

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Early May is also a possibility, Anne... 

On Thursday, November 28, 2013 11:42:27 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> I'm going to be in northern NJ in early May, if that timeframe would work. 
>
> On Thu, Nov 28, 2013 at 5:08 AM, Steve Palincsar 
> > 
> wrote: 
> > On 11/28/2013 12:13 AM, Montclair BobbyB wrote: 
> > 
> > When? 
> > 
> > "... (perhaps in the Spring) ..." 
> >  "...(in the April timeframe) ..." 
> > 
> > 
> > I'm definitely interested. 
> > 
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Re: [RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

[Montclair BobbyB]

Thanks for the clarification, Anne... one reviewer raved about the quality 
of the stitching... I must have misunderstood.

Patrick, there are actually two very similar versions of this; the Empire 
version (which is an 80/20 blend) and the Lester River, which is 100% wool. 
 I believe both are actually stitched by Empire, though.
Ron, I agree the Filsons are beautiful, but the price approaches that of a 
Ventile jacket.  I may go minimalist and find myself a Swedish Army Snow 
Smock to dye and treat with Nikwax.  Gotta get back into sewing... 

Thanks.
BB 



On Thursday, November 28, 2013 2:36:32 AM UTC-5, Anne Paulson wrote:
>
> The Boreal Jacket looks like a quality garment: that heavy wool melton 
> is a long-lasting, warm fabric. It's felted, so it's heavy and 
> wind-resistant. 
>
> However, it is not hand-stitched. And you wouldn't want it to be: that 
> wool cries out to be machine stitched. Gorgeous looking fabric. 
>
> If you want to compare two different wool melton jackets on price, 
> make sure they both have the same weight of wool. A thinner wool will 
> obviously be cheaper. 
>
> > 
> > The Duluth Pack jacket looks nice, but add a pocket and the price (at 
> $240) 
> > is at parity with the Boreal.  The Boreal looks more rugged, and is 
> > hand-stitched. 
>
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>
> It isn't a contest. Enjoy the ride. 
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[RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Montclair BobbyB]

Norm:  The river and downtown is flat... everything else East of downtown 
(including the granny gear climb up to my neighborhood) is quite hilly, 
trust me.  

Peace,
BB

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 11:41:04 PM UTC-5, Norman R wrote:
>
> I'll be in Lambertville tomorrow for Thanksgiving.  It's such a lovely 
> area though a little on the flat side.  I'm sure now that you're living 
> there it won't be hard for you to find some varied terrain.  Hope all is 
> well and Happy Thanksgiving to you and everyone else reading this.
> Norman
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 8:05:19 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> I love the Gap area, and in fact I rode it a few years ago in early 
>> December (it was COLD, and I'm not tough enough for winter camping). While 
>> I haven't yet ridden the McDade sections, there are some nice interior NJ 
>> routes back to the Gap (via the Paulinskill Valley), including the route 
>> Joan, Steve, Pudge & Sons and others followed in the Spring... I'd be happy 
>> to share that route with anyone interested. 
>>
>> Thrilled to hear there's interest in riding NJ.  I live along the 
>> Delaware River, not far from the aforementioned Canal Trail (down in 
>> Lambertville, just across from New Hope, PA).  It's an awesome place to 
>> live and ride with beautiful trails on both the PA and NJ sides of the 
>> river, dirt roads, country lanes, scenic hollows and streams.  Lately I've 
>> been thinking of hosting (perhaps in the Spring) a weekend ride in the area 
>> (including several covered bridges in Bucks County PA).  There's great 
>> history in the area, and the lovely town of Lambertville has fabulous 
>> restaurants and pubs.  If anyone is interested in a weekend "Delaware River 
>> Rally" (in the April timeframe), I'd be happy to host.  I can even 
>> accommodate a handful of guests at my place, and there are several 
>> beautiful inns (including the Chimney Hill Estate Inn - 
>> http://www.chimneyhillinn.com/), a short 2 minute bike ride away.  *(Just 
>> listen to me, I sound like a travel agent)... *
>>
>> Bobby   
>>
>> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Bob E wrote:
>>>
>>> Mike B -- I haven't ridden between those two points, so don't have a 
>>> route mapped out. But if I were to ride from the northern end of the D&R 
>>> Canal trail to say, Columbia, I would generally hug the river -- except 
>>> that I would skirt around Phillipsburg to the east (via Green, Roseberry, 
>>> and Belvidere roads). North of Belvidere, the only road along the river in 
>>> that area is Route 46, which I would avoid (traffic, iffy shoulders at 
>>> times), so I would take some of the quieter and more scenic roads to the 
>>> east (Sarepta, Koeck, and Linaberry roads). Around Columbia it gets tricky, 
>>> as I-80 interchanges with Routes 46 and 94 there, and there are some 
>>> high-speed ramps. I would probably get on Route 46 from Walnut Road just 
>>> south of Columbia and then ride the short distance to town on the shoulder 
>>> (wider here) of the southbound lane just to avoid that mess.
>>>  
>>> Another option would to cross into Pennsylvania at Easton (a portion of 
>>> the Delaware Canal trail just south of Easton is still closed) and take the 
>>> river roads on that side, but I'm even less familiar with those roads.
>>>  
>>> Just my quick two cents!
>>>  
>>> Bob
>>>  
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Re: [RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Montclair BobbyB]

When?
 
*"... (perhaps in the Spring) ..."*
* "...(in the April timeframe) ..."*

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:07:08 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 11/27/2013 08:05 PM, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>  
>  I love the Gap area, and in fact I rode it a few years ago in early 
> December (it was COLD, and I'm not tough enough for winter camping). While 
> I haven't yet ridden the McDade sections, there are some nice interior NJ 
> routes back to the Gap (via the Paulinskill Valley), including the route 
> Joan, Steve, Pudge & Sons and others followed in the Spring... I'd be happy 
> to share that route with anyone interested. 
>
>  Thrilled to hear there's interest in riding NJ.  I live along the 
> Delaware River, not far from the aforementioned Canal Trail (down in 
> Lambertville, just across from New Hope, PA).  It's an awesome place to 
> live and ride with beautiful trails on both the PA and NJ sides of the 
> river, dirt roads, country lanes, scenic hollows and streams.  Lately I've 
> been thinking of hosting (perhaps in the Spring) a weekend ride in the area 
> (including several covered bridges in Bucks County PA).  There's great 
> history in the area, and the lovely town of Lambertville has fabulous 
> restaurants and pubs.  If anyone is interested in a weekend "Delaware River 
> Rally" (in the April timeframe), I'd be happy to host.  I can even 
> accommodate a handful of guests at my place, and there are several 
> beautiful inns (including the Chimney Hill Estate Inn - 
> http://www.chimneyhillinn.com/), a short 2 minute bike ride away.  *(Just 
> listen to me, I sound like a travel agent)...*
>  
>
> When?
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

[Montclair BobbyB]

Patrick:

My requirements may not be quite as demanding ... slightly milder climate 
and (admittedly) I'm more foul-weather averse... I'm OK with cold, but 
prefer to not venture too much in rainy and windy conditions... We get 
enough "nice, cold, calm days" in between.  If I had to choose only one 
garment I'd choose a tough wool jacket any day.
 
The wool jackets for $60-$90 from Fred Asbell look nice in the photos, but 
I gotta believe they're not quite built the same as the Boreal Shirt. 
 Three separate testimonies from seasoned field users of the Boreal Shirt 
rave about it as one of the best pieces of equipment they have ever owned, 
and from sleeping in it outside in cold weather to wearing it all season in 
the woods, it's built for warmth and durability. 

The Duluth Pack jacket looks nice, but add a pocket and the price (at $240) 
is at parity with the Boreal.  The Boreal looks more rugged, and is 
hand-stitched.  But I guess I'll have to wait to see if I made a good 
choice!

And yes, the Hilltrek jackets ARE really nice... I may have to liquidate 
assets (gee, that's a measure I typically reserve only for when I'm saving 
for a bike)...  

Peace, BB

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:49:39 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> BobbyB, on the links you shared, I 'm seeing the wool jackets for $60-$90, 
> so I'm wondering what you're getting for $250. There's this too: 
> http://duluthpack.com/home-cabin/clothing-accessories/mens/mens-jackets/wool-blanket-shirt.html<http://www.google.com/url?q=http%3A%2F%2Fduluthpack.com%2Fhome-cabin%2Fclothing-accessories%2Fmens%2Fmens-jackets%2Fwool-blanket-shirt.html&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNHjhOexkBVH_afCxPmz718FB4-gMg>(they
>  also have canvas anaroks, mitts, etc).
>
> I'm all for hearty wool and layering, that's what I do. It's the time of 
> year when I'm always wearing my long john wool shirt and wool sweater. It's 
> easy to go outside and be moving around in the sun, then come in (we keep 
> our house cooler, upper 50's-low 60's) without putting anything else on, 
> though I'll toss on my Filson's mackinaw if breezy or colder than 35 out or 
> I won't be moving much.
>
> Ventile is well worth saving up for. Delighted with my Hilltrek (Cotton 
> Analogy), and some of their jackets come in very reasonably and have that 
> anarok design. 
> http://www.hilltrek.co.uk/acatalog/copy_of_Foinaven_Cotton_Analogy__Smock.html(I
>  got the Liathach Extreme and love the better hood, waist cinch and other 
> upgrades).
>
> Personally, rather than spending more on a heavies wool option, I'd 
> suggest layering with more wool and getting the cotton analogy sooner 
> rather than later. The outer garnet is perfect year round for all kinds of 
> conditions, and then you layer as needed underneath, making those layers 
> less critical (unless you're going lightweight down) to spend more coin on.
>
> I look forward to hearing what you find and decide and how it works for 
> you.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:39:40 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> With Winter fast approaching, I've been looking to invest in some 
>> long-term durable apparel (made from natural materials like wool or cotton) 
>> to make my outdoor experiences in the cold more enjoyable.  I have been 
>> formulating a layering strategy that will hopefully carry me from late Fall 
>> through early Spring.  One interesting piece of apparel I recently stumbled 
>> upon (and subsequently ordered) was the handmade Wool Boreal "Shirt" from 
>> Lester River Bushcraft, although it's more like an anorak than a shirt. 
>> Founder Jason Gustafson specializes in custom handmade knives and bushcraft 
>> gear.  "Bushcraft", to those unfamiliar with it is a general term with 
>> Australian roots referring to wilderness skills. From my internet searches, 
>> I'm seeing bushcraft gear showing up on hunting and survivalist websites 
>> (not surprisingly).  But like Ventile cotton, there seems to be a 
>> resurgence in the use of natural (vs man-made) materials for outdoor gear. 
>>  The Boreal Shirt is made from recycled wool blankets, and is warm, tough 
>> and versatile. There are several YouTube video reviews of this that really 
>> convinced me I need to be sporting a Boreal Shirt of my own.  I'm in the 
>> queue for the next batch that Jason is making, and I'm very excited.  I'm 
>> wondering if anyone else on the forum owns one of these (or something 
>> similar... there are other hand-crafted wool shirts/jackets/Mackinaws from 
>> bowhunters Fred Asbell 
>

[RBW] Wool Boreal Shirt (and other Bushcraft-inspired stuff)...

[Montclair BobbyB]

With Winter fast approaching, I've been looking to invest in some long-term 
durable apparel (made from natural materials like wool or cotton) to make 
my outdoor experiences in the cold more enjoyable.  I have been formulating 
a layering strategy that will hopefully carry me from late Fall through 
early Spring.  One interesting piece of apparel I recently stumbled upon 
(and subsequently ordered) was the handmade Wool Boreal "Shirt" from Lester 
River Bushcraft, although it's more like an anorak than a shirt. Founder 
Jason Gustafson specializes in custom handmade knives and bushcraft gear. 
 "Bushcraft", to those unfamiliar with it is a general term with Australian 
roots referring to wilderness skills. From my internet searches, I'm seeing 
bushcraft gear showing up on hunting and survivalist websites (not 
surprisingly).  But like Ventile cotton, there seems to be a resurgence in 
the use of natural (vs man-made) materials for outdoor gear.  The Boreal 
Shirt is made from recycled wool blankets, and is warm, tough and 
versatile. There are several YouTube video reviews of this that really 
convinced me I need to be sporting a Boreal Shirt of my own.  I'm in the 
queue for the next batch that Jason is making, and I'm very excited.  I'm 
wondering if anyone else on the forum owns one of these (or something 
similar... there are other hand-crafted wool shirts/jackets/Mackinaws from 
bowhunters Fred Asbell (http://gfredasbell.com/) and Ron LaClair (
http://www.shrewbows.com/index.html).  I'm ready to ditch my stinky 
UnderArmour in favor of wool underlayers.

Now I need a good windproof shell.  I wish I had another few hundred bucks 
to drop on a Ventile jacket, but I may instead opt for a waxed cotton 
anorak (Orvis makes a nice one).  Any ideas/recommendations that are not 
too costly?

BTW, the Boreal Shirt IS rather pricey, but considering how durable and 
warm it is, and that it's handmade in Duluth, MN, I say it's well worth the 
$250 price tag.  

Peace,
BB

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Re: [RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

[Montclair BobbyB]

HAH!!!

On Monday, November 25, 2013 5:22:46 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Lizzie Borden?
>
>  
>
> *Lizzie Borden took a hatchet,*
>
> *And drenched her mom with lots of ketchup.*
>
> *And when she saw what she’d done doed,*
>
> *She gave her dad a dollop, too.*
>
>  
>
> Yikes.  Time to get back to work.
>
>  
>  
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Steve Palincsar
> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 5:18 PM
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> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup
>  
>  
>  
> On 11/25/2013 05:10 PM, Shoji Takahashi wrote:
>  
>  I've gone through all of these posts, and it's quite amusing! Now Grant 
> will have to source some sugar-less ketchup from the farmers market so that 
> we can buy some for the holidays. Bike Book and Ketchup anyone?
>  
>
> Yes, you could spread it all over the hatchet and make a nice holiday 
> tableaux...
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Re: [RBW] Re: Caveman ketchup

[Montclair BobbyB]

Gee, I think I see a commercial here... *"Steve, have a Snickers Bar... 
When you get hungry you act like Kathleen Sebelius..." *

Let the cavemen have their own Ketchup... Heinz is the only ketchup for my 
fries... 

BB
On Monday, November 25, 2013 4:58:38 PM UTC-5, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
>  On 11/25/2013 04:26 PM, Peter Morgano wrote:
>  
> I just ate a snickers bar to see if it tasted right, yup it was 
> delicious.  ;-) 
>
>
> I don't think there's a federal standard of identity for "snickers bar" 
> and I doubt there's a version made without sugar or other nutritive 
> carbohydrate sweetener...
>
>  On Nov 25, 2013 4:24 PM, "Steve Palincsar" > 
> wrote:
>
>>  On 11/25/2013 04:13 PM, Anne Paulson wrote:
>>  
>> What do you think a "nutritive carbohydrate sweetener" is? It's *sugar*!
>>
>>
>> Sugar is a nutritive carbohydrate sweetener, but it is not the only one.  
>> Others include include glucose, fructose, corn syrup, high fructose corn 
>> syrup, and sugar alcohols (e.g., sorbitol, mannitol, and xylitol), 
>> according to the Britannica.
>>
>> One or any combination of two or more of the following safe and suitable 
>> ingredients in each of the following categories is added to the tomato 
>> ingredients specified in paragraph (a)(1) of this section: 
>>
>> (i) Vinegars.
>>
>> (ii) Nutritive carbohydrate sweeteners. Such sweeteners if defined in 
>> part 168 of this chapter shall be as defined therein.
>>
>> (iii) Spices, flavoring, onions, or garlic.
>>
>>
>> Combing the verbiage with a fine-tooth comb I conclude that per the 
>> standard, "nutritive carbohydrate sweetener" is in fact a required 
>> ingredient.
>>
>>  
>>  You may say that one can leave out the sugar, and it will still legally 
>> qualify as ketchup. Apparently so, but it is not going to taste like 
>> ketchup.
>>  
>>
>> AFAIK federal standards of identity prescribe what must be in a product, 
>> but not what it is supposed to taste like.
>>
>>   
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[RBW] Re: Winter Delaware Water Gap trip

[Montclair BobbyB]

I love the Gap area, and in fact I rode it a few years ago in early 
December (it was COLD, and I'm not tough enough for winter camping). While 
I haven't yet ridden the McDade sections, there are some nice interior NJ 
routes back to the Gap (via the Paulinskill Valley), including the route 
Joan, Steve, Pudge & Sons and others followed in the Spring... I'd be happy 
to share that route with anyone interested. 

Thrilled to hear there's interest in riding NJ.  I live along the Delaware 
River, not far from the aforementioned Canal Trail (down in Lambertville, 
just across from New Hope, PA).  It's an awesome place to live and ride 
with beautiful trails on both the PA and NJ sides of the river, dirt roads, 
country lanes, scenic hollows and streams.  Lately I've been thinking of 
hosting (perhaps in the Spring) a weekend ride in the area (including 
several covered bridges in Bucks County PA).  There's great history in the 
area, and the lovely town of Lambertville has fabulous restaurants and 
pubs.  If anyone is interested in a weekend "Delaware River Rally" (in the 
April timeframe), I'd be happy to host.  I can even accommodate a handful 
of guests at my place, and there are several beautiful inns (including the 
Chimney Hill Estate Inn - http://www.chimneyhillinn.com/), a short 2 minute 
bike ride away.  *(Just listen to me, I sound like a travel agent)... *

Bobby   

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 10:56:34 AM UTC-5, Bob E wrote:
>
> Mike B -- I haven't ridden between those two points, so don't have a route 
> mapped out. But if I were to ride from the northern end of the D&R Canal 
> trail to say, Columbia, I would generally hug the river -- except that I 
> would skirt around Phillipsburg to the east (via Green, Roseberry, and 
> Belvidere roads). North of Belvidere, the only road along the river in that 
> area is Route 46, which I would avoid (traffic, iffy shoulders at times), 
> so I would take some of the quieter and more scenic roads to the east 
> (Sarepta, Koeck, and Linaberry roads). Around Columbia it gets tricky, as 
> I-80 interchanges with Routes 46 and 94 there, and there are some 
> high-speed ramps. I would probably get on Route 46 from Walnut Road just 
> south of Columbia and then ride the short distance to town on the shoulder 
> (wider here) of the southbound lane just to avoid that mess.
>  
> Another option would to cross into Pennsylvania at Easton (a portion of 
> the Delaware Canal trail just south of Easton is still closed) and take the 
> river roads on that side, but I'm even less familiar with those roads.
>  
> Just my quick two cents!
>  
> Bob
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[RBW] Thanksgiving Wishes

[Montclair BobbyB]

Happy Thanksgiving and a bit of humble thanks to all.  

THIS GROUP (and the positive vibe shared by all) brings great joy to my 
life every day (as I'm sure it does to many), so THANK YOU, EVERYONE for 
being so intelligent, so creative and so cool.

Thank you, Jim Edgar for managing this (sometimes unwieldy) group of 
fanatics.
Thank you, Grant and the team at Rivendell for CONTINUING to bring such a 
positive VIBE to the world. *(And especially Grant, for listening to 
everyone's design advice...I hope your head doesn't explode).*

For those of you lucky enough to live in the Bay area who will partake in 
the unofficial Thanksgiving Day Appetite Seminar ride, please give a big 
thumbs up of thanks to the Klunker pioneers (especially Charlie Kelly) for 
keeping this tradition alive.  One day I hope to join that ride.

Peace,
BB

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[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Wow... that's one cool ride... got any pics?  What rims are you running for 
the Knards?

On Wednesday, November 27, 2013 7:11:47 AM UTC-5, hobie wrote:
>
> Agree Bobby. I ride a Jones w. a 3" Knard 29 front and 2.4 rear for mtn. 
> and for the road the awesome Schwalbe Super Motos @ 29x2.3. I can really 
> fly on the road in comfort. I sit up very high w. these big tires. This 
> bike is also equipped w. a Rohloff. Best  bike I have ever owned. Mid fat 
> is getting popular.
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:09:26 PM UTC-5, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>
>> Ah, and if you could only name it "Gimli"... I was thinking something 
>> like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 
>> inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea.  IF Grant 
>> would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider 
>> giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very 
>> often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads 
>> and make for an awesome ride...
>>
>> BB
>>   
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>
>>> I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3") bike 
>>> with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest 
>>> chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my 
>>> "fast" riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this 
>>> miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in.
>>>
>>> With abandon,
>>> Patrick
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike 
>>>> that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam 
>>>> and SimpleOne.  The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant 
>>>> Petersen's comments in this thread - 
>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - 
>>>> in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the 
>>>> project.  
>>>>
>>>> Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could 
>>>> come to pass. No promises, of course.  
>>>>
>>>> Here are the guidelines for this thread:
>>>> - State clearly what you would like to see.
>>>> - Give a specific reason why.
>>>>
>>>> Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on 
>>>> encouraging creative thought:
>>>> - No negative comments.  If you think an idea is stupid, bite your 
>>>> tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one.  
>>>> - No discussion about whether something would or would not work.  Each 
>>>> idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain.
>>>>
>>>> This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion.  If you have a 
>>>> Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame 
>>>> design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the 
>>>> place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and 
>>>> uncover hidden possibilities.  All of which or none of which might be 
>>>> incorporated into the final design.
>>>>
>>>> For example - 
>>>> I have an orange series.  It does not have seat stay threads for a rear 
>>>> rack.  This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen 
>>>> and 
>>>> would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to 
>>>> P-Clamps.  (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.)
>>>>
>>>> - or - 
>>>>
>>>> Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it 
>>>> optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? 
>>>> Would 
>>>> it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? 
>>>> Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite "29er" mondo tire?
>>>>
>>>> OK?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride!
>>>>
>>>> - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>

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[RBW] Re: New (to me) Bombadil build

[Montclair BobbyB]

Tom, that's too funny!... A "scrap" build... It looks killer with the 
wooden rims and cream tires... I think that Bomba found the right home 
(even if it is getting a little tight at the orphanage)... Once again, 
bravo at another great build!!!
*(and WHO SAID a double TT SS doesn't look totally rad??)*

Peace,
Bobby  

On Monday, November 25, 2013 3:20:55 PM UTC-5, Pudge wrote:
>
>  So a number of folks on this list (including me) were apparently looking 
> at this blue-green Bombadil frame/fork on the ‘bay a few weeks ago, and I 
> had the least self-control of all of that sub-group, so I ended up with a 
> nice-looking Bombadil frame (a little rough paint, but otherwise sound) and 
> no particular plan what to do with it, except I was going to try to do a 
> Tapebubba build – entirely from parts on hand.  Finished last night, and 
> was going to ride it this morning and take some pics, but it was under 20 
> degrees here at 5:30, and that’s too cold for recreational rides for me.  
> So here’s a pic of the finished build in my shop: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/37542512@N04/11052561793/  I’ll post some in 
> the wild as soon as the temp rises (or I get a pair of big boy pants to 
> ride in!).
>
>  
>
> Really, the idea for this was stolen from another Bomba owner, pic here: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/beardedpeter/3870914885/in/pool-bombadil/one of 
> the coolest Bombadil builds ever.  
>
>  
>
> Build list:
>
> Wheelset (stolen from another bike):  Ghisallo beechwood rims, Campy front 
> (drilled and modified by Peter Weigle), White Industries ENO eccentric on 
> the rear.
>
> Cream Grand Bois Hetres
>
> 17/19 White Industries DOS ENO freewheel (17t fixed cog on flip side)
>
> Shimano BB (needed 127mm to get the narrow Q crankset on the correct 
> chainline)
>
> Stronglight 49 crankset
>
> Bespoke Chainrings 44t Solida Cats replica chainring
>
> Phil Wood CHP pedals, with VO leather covered toeclips and Christophe 
> straps
>
> Nitto Lugged seatpost
>
> Brooks Select B-17
>
> Nitto 200mm reach Bullmoose bars/stem
>
> Brooks grips
>
> Paul Canti levers
>
> Bruce Gordon polished “Pointy” canti brakes
>
> Cork brake pads to preserve the rims, and introduce a sense of adventure 
> to the “speed modulation” process 
>
> Nitto Mini-Front rack
>
> Blue tweed Nigel Smythe Lil’ Loafer
>
> Blue tweed Nigel Smythe Country Bag
>
>  
>
> Still thinking about whether to install an old Dur-Alum chainring and/or 
> fenders (I have an old set of VO Zeppelin fenders, painted roughly the same 
> color as the tires).  Anybody have a view?
>
>  
>
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[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?

[Montclair BobbyB]

You're right... but someone will build it, and it will open up a new kind 
of riding.  The truth is, the world doesn't really NEED another SS... the 
world DOES need bikes that can go where others have feared to go...  just 
saying...

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 5:36:13 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> Your second list is definitely blue sky.  Grin.  The original list is for 
> *real*, though.  Surrender $1200 and surrender all decision making to 
> Grant, and you'll get a nice frame.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:14:31 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Blue sky, Bill. Blue sky.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 3:02:44 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>
>>> The G.O. would need all new lugs and dropouts, right?.  Even if your 
>>> list of 30 were willing to pay $3500 each for a custom, you still wouldn't 
>>> have enough to get that done, I wouldn't think. 
>>>
>>> Dropouts: obviously for disks
>>> Fork crown: wider for clearance and probably bigger holes for beefier 
>>> blade because of disks
>>> both head-lugs: I'm guessing, but based on the assumption that nobody 
>>> ever has made a disk brake mountain bike with a 1" steerer.  First ever 
>>> 1-1/8" Riv
>>> seatcluster:  I'm guessing to enable wide splaying seatstays
>>> BB shell:  I'm guessing to enable wide splaying and maybe beefier 
>>> chainstays.  What's the BB shell width of these fat bikes?  Is it wider 
>>> than 68mm?
>>>
>>> Add to that the velosophical barriers.Daunting
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:46:37 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Agreed. Hence the possibility of two lists. One a single speed, one the 
>>>> G.O..
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:43:04 PM UTC-7, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I love the passion and optimism!  That said, I'm going to go out on a 
>>>>> limb here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed 
>>>>> won't end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross.  LOL. 
>>>>>  But who knows?  Certainly not me.  
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I 
>>>>>> like it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage 
>>>>>> back 
>>>>>> to the Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more 
>>>>>> along the lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, 
>>>>>> but 
>>>>>> enough for snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but 
>>>>>> perhaps simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as 
>>>>>> possible 
>>>>>> (are good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would 
>>>>>> indeed be ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're 
>>>>>> already 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> With abandon,
>>>>>> Patrick
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB 
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Ah, and if you could only name it "Gimli"... I was thinking 
>>>>>>> something like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, 
>>>>>>> with its 3 inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an 
>>>>>>> idea. 
>>>>>>>  IF Grant would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also 
>>>>>>> strongly 
>>>>>>> consider giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something 
>>>>>>> you 
>>>>>>> see very often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would 
>>>>>>> certainly 
>>>>>>> turn heads and make for an awesome ride...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> BB
>>>>>>>   
>>>>>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick 
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>

[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, but there's always room in nature for a mutation to occur once in a 
while... I just hope it would never be referred to as "Monster Cross"... 
(no offense, B)... no, this would have to be it's own species... like Gimli 
himself, a "badass dwarf"...

Wiith recklessness, 
BB 

On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 4:43:04 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I love the passion and optimism!  That said, I'm going to go out on a limb 
> here and predict that this direct decendant of a roadish singlespeed won't 
> end up being a geared and disk-brake equipped monstercross.  LOL.  But who 
> knows?  Certainly not me.  
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 1:23:26 PM UTC-8, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>
>> Precisely! Perhaps we have two lists of committed to bikes? Gimli, I like 
>> it. G.O. , Gimli's initials (presuming he can trace his lineage back to the 
>> Oakenshields), for copyright reasons? Though I was thinking more along the 
>> lines of Surly's new ECR. Not outlandishly oversized tires, but enough for 
>> snow and very challenging trails. Geared would be ideal, but perhaps 
>> simple, beefy gearing in the back with as wide a range as possible (are 
>> good 5-6 speeds still available?). For winter, disk brakes would indeed be 
>> ideal. If Grant would consider such an outlandish thing, we're already 
>> 1/10th of the way there, with three of us! Grin.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 2:09:26 PM UTC-7, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>>>
>>> Ah, and if you could only name it "Gimli"... I was thinking something 
>>> like a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 
>>> inch tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea.  IF Grant 
>>> would ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider 
>>> giving it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very 
>>> often (other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads 
>>> and make for an awesome ride...
>>>
>>> BB
>>>   
>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3") bike 
>>>> with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so 
>>>> smallest 
>>>> chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my 
>>>> "fast" riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this 
>>>> miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in.
>>>>
>>>> With abandon,
>>>> Patrick
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a 
>>>>> bike that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the 
>>>>> Quickbeam and SimpleOne.  The impetus for this thread has branched from 
>>>>> Grant Petersen's comments in this thread - 
>>>>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U- in 
>>>>> which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the 
>>>>> project.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could 
>>>>> come to pass. No promises, of course.  
>>>>>
>>>>> Here are the guidelines for this thread:
>>>>> - State clearly what you would like to see.
>>>>> - Give a specific reason why.
>>>>>
>>>>> Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on 
>>>>> encouraging creative thought:
>>>>> - No negative comments.  If you think an idea is stupid, bite your 
>>>>> tongue (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one.  
>>>>> - No discussion about whether something would or would not work.  Each 
>>>>> idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain.
>>>>>
>>>>> This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion.  If you have a 
>>>>> Quickbeam or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame 
>>>>> design, or if you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the 
>>>>> place to talk about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and 
>>>>> uncover hidden possibilities.  All of which or none of which might be 
>>

[RBW] Re: SimpleQuickOneBeam Project - Blue Sky Features - What would you like to see?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, and if you could only name it "Gimli"... I was thinking something like 
a Surly Pugsley (or more specifically, the 29er Krampus, with its 3 inch 
tires), but thought that might be too audacious an idea.  IF Grant would 
ever consider such a beast, I hope he would also strongly consider giving 
it disc brakes and curved fork blades, not something you see very often 
(other than the Willits Wow fork)... that would certainly turn heads and 
make for an awesome ride...

BB
  
On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 12:40:50 PM UTC-5, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> I would be amazingly interested in a rough and tumble fattier (3") bike 
> with low gearing (at least as low as my current gearing can go, so smallest 
> chainring to 32 (but ideally 36, then swap rear cog and shift front for my 
> "fast" riding option) for snow and trail, mountain riding. If this 
> miraculously becomes that, I'm absolutely in.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Tuesday, November 26, 2013 10:28:12 AM UTC-7, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>
>> I guess this is a type of Entmoot - we're discussing features on a bike 
>> that might not be built, but one which is the evolution of the Quickbeam 
>> and SimpleOne.  The impetus for this thread has branched from Grant 
>> Petersen's comments in this thread - 
>> https://groups.google.com/forum/#!topic/rbw-owners-bunch/QhzO4CFyz1U - 
>> in which I was volunteered to wrangle discussion of and interest in the 
>> project.  
>>
>> Basically, if 30 individuals are interested in committing, this could 
>> come to pass. No promises, of course.  
>>
>> Here are the guidelines for this thread:
>> - State clearly what you would like to see.
>> - Give a specific reason why.
>>
>> Since this is a Brainstorming thread, let's keep the focus on encouraging 
>> creative thought:
>> - No negative comments.  If you think an idea is stupid, bite your tongue 
>> (or quell your keyboard) and come up with a better one.  
>> - No discussion about whether something would or would not work.  Each 
>> idea may also spur a more functional insight in someone else's brain.
>>
>> This (hopefully) is not an empirical discussion.  If you have a Quickbeam 
>> or SimpleOne and really like a certain aspect of the frame design, or if 
>> you didn't buy one because of a specific issue, this is the place to talk 
>> about that. The goal is to recognize valued features and uncover hidden 
>> possibilities.  All of which or none of which might be incorporated into 
>> the final design.
>>
>> For example - 
>> I have an orange series.  It does not have seat stay threads for a rear 
>> rack.  This has always bothered me as I have a Mark's Rack on my Hilsen and 
>> would love to be able to run a dual rack setup without resorting to 
>> P-Clamps.  (This was corrected in the SimpleOne.)
>>
>> - or - 
>>
>> Would it matter if it had a derailleur hanger? Would you want it 
>> optimized for upright bars? Would a kickstand plate be a dealbreaker? Would 
>> it absolutely have to be a 584/650B capable of accepting super wide tires? 
>> Or a 622/700C capabler of mounting your favorite "29er" mondo tire?
>>
>> OK?
>>
>> Thanks in advance and enjoy the ride!
>>
>> - Jim / cyclo...@gmail.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?

[Montclair BobbyB]

My brother's vintage Harley has a hinged rear fender for wheel removal... 
now there's a DIY bicycle mod just waiting to happen

I'm loving this thread... giving me diabolical thoughts of planting more 
ideas ... Like a fat-tired mountain-mixte... OK, who's in?  
*Seriously, I hope to see this idea come together... I have yet to fully 
exploit all the many joyful configurations of my S1 (right now it's a 2x1 
with Patterson Transmission cranket), but I plan to work on that some 
more...  *

Peace,
BB

On Monday, November 25, 2013 1:11:47 PM UTC-5, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>
> The rear stay QR trick is a good one - mine has been set up that way from 
> the beginning. 
>
> IIRC, the largest tires the QB can handle is 45 - which you had mounted - 
> http://cyclofiend.com/rbw/quickbeam/
>
> - J
>
> On Monday, November 25, 2013 10:08:08 AM UTC-8, Philip Williamson wrote:
>>
>> I find fat tires (32mm) run into the chainstay bridge on my other fixed 
>> gear, so I prefer the track ends.
>> I had SKS fenders with the QRs on the rear as well as the fork. To change 
>> the wheel, I just popped the rear stays out of the quick releases to free 
>> up the fenders. 
>>
>> Philip
>> www.biketinker.com
>>  
>>
>> On Monday, November 25, 2013 8:05:42 AM UTC-8, Pudge wrote:
>>>
>>>  One solution for the tire removal issue is to use flat wooden fenders, 
>>> which bend very easily outward away from the tire, allowing easy removal.  
>>> Of course, there are always trade-offs – such fenders aren’t as functional 
>>> as a good plastic or metal curved fender, but in non-downpours, and with a 
>>> mudflap, they’re not bad.
>>>
>>>  
>>>  
>>> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com [mailto:
>>> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com] *On Behalf Of *Eric Norris
>>> *Sent:* Monday, November 25, 2013 10:41 AM
>>> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com
>>> *Subject:* Re: [RBW] Re: Why no more Quickbeam/ SimpleOne?
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> My suggestion for a future reissue of the QB/SO: Horizontal drops, 
>>> angled like the track ends on the QB. Track ends are certainly traditional 
>>> for fixed gear bikes (and I suppose for single-speeds), but they make it 
>>> more difficult to get the rear wheel in and out, especially with fenders. 
>>> On my QB, I have to put the rear wheel in the frame with the tire 
>>> deflated--there's barely enough clearance to squeeze it in, and moving the 
>>> fender far enough back for adequate clearance would result in an ugly and 
>>> unacceptable chain line.
>>>  
>>>  
>>>  
>>> Extra-long horizontal drops, cut out of the same material as those on 
>>> the original QB, would make the bike more nearly perfect.
>>>  
>>>
>>> Eric N
>>>  
>>> www.CampyOnly.com
>>>  
>>> CampyOnlyGuy.blogspot.com
>>>  
>>> Twitter: @CampyOnlyGuy
>>>   
>>>
>>>  
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: OT but brings a tear to my eye

[Montclair BobbyB]

Most definitely ON TOPIC... Thx.

On Saturday, November 23, 2013 11:26:32 PM UTC-5, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Redemption
>
> With best regards
>
> Tom
>

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[RBW] Re: Who pre ordered an English Jacket?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ventile (and similar) cotton is essentially hand-made fabric, involving 
painstaking detail from selecting the cotton and to setting up the weaving 
process; hence the high cost.  It IS indeed nice stuff (if you can afford 
it).  But because of the high cost, I have to think of Ventile as being 
like really special bicycle tubing, which by itself is nice, but is really 
only as good as the finished product.  And so when I finally bite the 
bullet and plop down many hundreds on a Ventile jacket, it better have 
everything I want in a jacket, because I'm literally gonna sleep in this 
baby Hood, waist drawstring, pockets galore, plenty of room for under 
layers, and a certain all-round style, ... all these things gotta be just 
right.  It's nice to see Riv making a quality jacket like this, and there 
are already some really nice Ventile jackets out there already (at similar 
prices) being sold by Wiggy's, Howies, Hilltrek, etc...  

And there are other materials (like wool and conventional cotton) that can 
serve most of my needs but I will be saving my pennies for a fine 
cotton jacket... one day. 





 

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 10:22:14 PM UTC-5, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I think the new English Jacket looks pretty swank.  Who is getting one 
> from the pre-sale?  
>
> I'm definitely going to try one on at the Grand Opening Party in 
> December.  
>

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[RBW] Re: I like the MUSA Anorak

[Montclair BobbyB]

Empire... NICE stuff.

On Wednesday, November 20, 2013 9:03:19 AM UTC-5, Matthew J wrote:
>
> I was all set to get the new cycling / hiking anorak from Empire Canvas 
> this year.  Turns out they were unable to secure a supply of fabric so will 
> not be making any.
>
> On Tuesday, November 19, 2013 10:03:04 PM UTC-6, sameness wrote:
>>
>> Please report back, hopefully (for my sake) with some words on how the 
>> seams and stitching are finished? 
>>
>> Maybe the pics on the Riv site were of samples or prototypes, but the one 
>> in (Jenny's?) hand and the one next to the Coke show lots of frays and 
>> thread ends.
>>
>> From a potential durability standpoint, that's the only thing keeping me 
>> from pulling the trigger.
>>
>> Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Jeff Hagedorn
>> Warragul, VIC Australia 
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Once you go Riv can you ever go back?

[Montclair BobbyB]

*What I took away from this experience is that while on the ride I barely 
had time to take a picture, I kept looking at all the amazing dirt roads we 
were passing and that's where I wanted to ride. *

*... no smiles just grimaces...*

SO TRUE!!!  ... Maybe a little pre-ride gospel: *Take time to see and enjoy 
the beauty, and the world always looks brighter from behind a smile...* 

Peace,
BB

On Monday, November 18, 2013 12:31:34 AM UTC-5, hsmitham wrote:
>
> Mike,
>
> Timely, I was going to make a similar post...an old riding partner 
> returned to Los Angeles after living in Massachusetts for three years I 
> always rode race bike mode with him and wore a sausage suit, this Summer I 
> was cleaning out my Bike clothing closet and stuffed all my kits into two 
> bags and stowed them in my attic preferring comfort clothing.
>
> While he was living out East he complained about the road conditions and 
> traffic and the only real option was to ride on dirt roads, hearing that I 
> suggested he look into Rivendell that's about the time I drank the kool-Aid 
> and bought my AHH. So leading up to this Saturday he offers to loan me a 
> skinny tired bike I said thank you very much I'll stick with my 42 mm's All 
> the old suspects showed up and some new faces I showed up with  the AHH in 
> my comfortable clothing, bandanna, tennis shoes and low saddle long flap 
> saddle bag...off we rolled on a climby 30 mile loop and I gotta say I kept 
> up only falling off the back on descents but up top with no problem...later 
> while having lunch the topic of clip-less pedals came up and they were all 
> surprised I was not using them (while on the ride one of them fell down and 
> was unable to disengage from the pedal and gave up some skin to the asphalt 
> Gods) and how efficient I was. I got to spread the "Riv" gospel a bit. 
>
> What I took away from this experience is that while on the ride I barely 
> had time to take a picture, I kept looking at all the amazing dirt roads we 
> were passing and that's where I wanted to ride. The area was bursting with 
> racer types no smiles just grimaces...yeah I'm not going back! I may ride a 
> road bike with 28 mm tires but won't be wearing clingy aero wear. 
>
> ~Hugh
>
> On Sunday, November 17, 2013 6:21:23 PM UTC-8, Mike wrote:
>>
>> I was getting ready for today's ride and trying to decide between getting 
>> kitted up in bibs, jersey, clipless pedals or my standard rambling 
>> kit--Sambas, Chrome knickers, wool undershirt and t-shirt. I just couldn't 
>> get excited about the bibs and all that. Over the past year I've pretty 
>> much done less than 5 rides in a "traditional" kit. I'm not anti clipless 
>> pedals and clingy cycling clothes. My riding today is more like a hike 
>> rather than a trail run so I just don't see a need for the bibs and all the 
>> other stuff. It's so much more comfortable in my rambling kit. I even did 
>> multiple 80+ mile rides in this kit. 
>>
>> And as for my bikes... I've been preferring my LHT to my Hilsen as the 
>> LHT is even more Riv'ed out than my Hilsen. just a tad more comfy and 
>> stable. Although contrary to Grant's preferences, I prefer the one pannier 
>> for holding my lock, yams (the new corn dog), book, layers, tools, etc.
>>
>> On today's ride I couldn't help but think, have I gone past the point of 
>> no return? 
>>
>> Images from today's ride: 
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/41335973@N00/sets/72157637785515593/
>>
>> --mike
>>
>

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

Then you'll be back on eBay lookin fer vintage parts fer that frameset...  Hah! 
 
(I'm sure you already got plenny-o-stuff in inventory).   Good luck, looks like 
you got a few chasin this one...  BB

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Re: [RBW] Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

... and then you find a gem like this at a great price, once again 
restoring your faith ... halleluiah!!!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/Nishiki-Olympic-12-Speed-Road-Bike-Vintage-1986-One-Owner-/321241381626?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4acb7a7afa

Anyone live near San Diego???  Snatch this one up (local pickup only)

BB

On Friday, November 8, 2013 1:20:12 PM UTC-5, Lee Chae wrote:
>
> What, do you own Twitter stock or something? Bidons on Bill, everyone.
>
> Lee
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 8, 2013 at 10:13 AM, Bill Lindsay 
> > wrote:
>
>> I have a bidon and a gilet in my musette.  
>>
>>
>> On Friday, November 8, 2013 10:05:39 AM UTC-8, Lee Chae wrote:
>>
>>> I think you all are missing an important point: It's not just a water 
>>> bottle, it's a *bidon*. 
>>>
>>> Lee "Thank you, thank you, I'll be here all week" in SF, CA
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, Nov 6, 2013 at 9:59 PM, Joe Broach  wrote:
>>>
 Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...

 http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-
 MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt 
 t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2b972b7a

 But it "was" $100!

 Best,
 joe "ships free, too!" broach
 portland, or

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>>>
>>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

I was actually being melodramatic...takes a lot more to ruin my day... But 
I do buy and sell on eBay, and I firmly believe in the overall fairness of 
the system... it really works.
And I have a low tolerance for greedy sellers and cheap tactics, and have 
ZERO issue pointing out to sellers when they're acting like tools.  It's a 
matter of principle.

Peace and Love, 
BB


On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:54:06 PM UTC-5, Leslie wrote:
>
> But wait!  They're on sale now;  can be yours for just $72 now!  
>
> I'm on the verge of posting a link to 
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/wb2.htm as a question to the seller, but 
> I don't want to get eBay's hammer to come down on me for it
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, November 7, 2013 12:59:37 AM UTC-5, joe b. wrote:
>>
>> Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
>>  
>> t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2b972b7a
>>
>> But it "was" $100!
>>
>> Best,
>> joe "ships free, too!" broach
>> portland, or
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Crazy-priced Riv water bottles on ebay

[Montclair BobbyB]

These bottom-dwellers on eBay make my blood boil
Most infamous is BBC ("Budget Bike Center")... boy if that ain't an 
oxymoron...

But PB-Bikes is doing a pretty good job of becoming the new eBay-hole of 
the month... I realize it's fair game for non-regulated merchandise; you 
can legally price gouge... But I'd encourage you all (as I do) to send 
notes to these thieves telling them they're F'ing up eBay's credibility and 
imploring them to just get off eBay.  

This ruined my morning... 

On Thursday, November 7, 2013 8:38:08 AM UTC-5, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> that seller is a famous gouger.  The one that cracked me up (when building 
> my Moser) is a guy in Hungary was selling an inventory of Moser-engraved 
> Modolo brake levers for $45/pair, free shipping to US.  pb*bikes bought a 
> pair and has it listed for $325 (it was on sale last week for $292). 
>
> On Wednesday, November 6, 2013 11:59:37 PM UTC-6, joe b. wrote:
>>
>> Not sure I can justify drinking from my Riv bottles in this market...
>>
>> http://www.ebay.com/itm/RIVENDELL-WATER-BOTTLE-BIDON-MADE-BY-SPECIALIZED-LARGE-GREEN-/271314267002?pt
>>  
>> t=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3f2b972b7a
>>
>> But it "was" $100!
>>
>> Best,
>> joe "ships free, too!" broach
>> portland, or
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Rivendell Bike Book & Hatchet Party Nov 15

[Montclair BobbyB]

Somehow the idea of mixing bikes, bonfires, books, booze and hatchets 
sounds strangely appealing... You guys on the left coast have all the fun...

On Tuesday, November 5, 2013 10:25:38 PM UTC-5, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> Rivendell Bike Book & Hatchet Party Nov 15.
>
> Link proved it's happening:
> http://www.rivbike.com/product-p/rbbh.htm
>
> I smell an after ride-party! 
>
> Shell Ridge Night ride?
>
> Or a possible overnight shindig?
>
> I'm down for either maybe a little of both.
>
> Anyone else ?
>
> -Manny "Party it up" Acosta
>

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[RBW] Re: Off topic: Interest Check on Sale of VINTAGE TREK 720 Touring Bike, Mint, with some Rivendellian Touches

[Montclair BobbyB]

Now Bob... We went through this a few years back (referring to your May 
2010 posts)...  What say we just go back inside and have us a nice cup o 
Joe and reconsider this whole thing... 

*Seriously, I'm one to talk... I go back and forth with my own bikes, 
threatening to sell, then changing my mind, then wanting to sell...* Would 
love to see pics *(even if I'm not interested in buying another 
bike...yeah, right)* '85 was a great year for bikes, and the 720 was 
(IS) one of the greats.

BB

On Sunday, October 27, 2013 4:47:54 PM UTC-4, Bob wrote:
>
> Will have pics soon. I have too many bikes (I know that's heresy.) 
>
> It's basically been a work of art in my living room and seldom ridden 
> (pity). It has been converted from 27-inch to 700c with Rich Lesnik-built 
> wheels with proper Phil Wood hubs. Because I didn't opt to cold-set the 
> rear triangle, the rear Phil hub is a perfect fit for the original dropout 
> width.
>
> I have the original baby-blue Blackburn racks in storage, if I can find 
> them.
>
> I am located on Capitol Hill DC, but if you love the bike I could get it 
> to you. Again, pics to come.
>

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[RBW] Re: Need collectives help on color choice.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Kinda like an almost-empty glass o' root beer after the ice melts... LOVE 
THIS COLOR!!!

On Wednesday, October 30, 2013 2:22:59 PM UTC-4, iamkeith wrote:
>
> Here's a twist:  See the attached image for a slightly different take on a 
> "burnt orange."  I stole this image about a year and a half ago, when this 
> rare Rivendell mountain bike sold (I think we discussed it here quite a 
> bit), because it was and is still the prettiest Rivendell paint color ever 
> - to my eye, at least.   I'm sure I can find more images out there on the 
> internet, too.
>  
> I'm currently thinking about having my beat-up, green Quickbeam repainted, 
> and am strongly considering this color because it would go well with the 
> gold decals.   Were you going to have D&D paint your Atlantis?   If so and 
> if you like this, maybe we should consider doing both at the same time for 
> a slight color-match, multi-bike discount??  (I don't know if Rick 
> would offer that, but it wouldn't hurt to ask...).  Or did you want to be 
> totally different than everybody else??  ;-)
>  
> On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 6:23:36 PM UTC-6, hsmitham wrote:
>
>> Hi Bunch,
>>
>> New to me Atlantis and having it painted and need you opinions on which 
>> color to go with...my first thought was to go with pea soup green like this,
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/fireman483/8541167230/in/pool-rivendellatlantis
>>
>> And the second color I'm considering is a burnt orange which I believe 
>> this is,
>>
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/cyclofiend/5871521426/in/pool-rivendellatlantis/
>>
>> Sorry for the lake of close up color pictures.
>>
>> I feel as though the orange is a bit flashy as I already have a green 
>> flashy so was leaning toward an understated green as my rough stuff 
>> tour/S240 beasty. Let me know what cha think and if you have pictures even 
>> better.
>>
>> Best,
>>
>> ~Hugh
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: Winter Projects, 2013/14 version

[Montclair BobbyB]

NICE!!!  Color-matched bullmoose bars?  Biopace crank, roller-cam brakes, 
vintage Deore components... the Montare was a fine ride.

On Tuesday, October 29, 2013 11:50:11 AM UTC-4, Bryan wrote:
>
> Funds are tight, so I'm in ride-what-I-have-until-stuff-breaks mode. One 
> project I may be able to pull off this winter is fixing up my dad's 1986ish 
> Fisher Montare (bullmoose bars!) for my son. It needs some new cables, 
> brake pads and tires. It's a neat old bike. Other than that, I'll just be 
> riding around as much as I can during this time of the year that Southern 
> Californians call "winter."
>
> Bryan
>

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Re: [RBW] Winter Projects, 2013/14 version

[Montclair BobbyB]

Now THAT'S what I'M talkin about... A 2TT SS Bomba!!

Can't wait to see that, Tom!!!

BB

On Monday, October 28, 2013 2:38:41 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Project for me:
>
>  
>
> Build (entirely from cannibalized or parts bin parts) a single speed 
> commuter out of my newly acquired 2TT Bombadil f/f.  Unusual mix of parts, 
> including wooden rims, bespoke chainring and Stronglight crank, Bullmoose 
> bars, Phil pedals, and Berthoud rack/saddlebag combo.  Here’s the new 
> frame, with the build still a gleam in daddy’s eye:
>
>  
>
> [image: http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3708/10492202654_8ec1e22200.jpg]
>
>  
>
> Project for someone else:
>
>  
>
> Third in the line of charity auction builds of old Japanese mixtes, along 
> the same lines as the Creamsicle Dreamcycle, here:
>
>  
>
> [image: http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7045/8688847823_af6d6dc6da.jpg]
>
>  
>
> And most important, staying in the saddle through the winter, to stave off 
> slugdom.
>
>  
>
> *From:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com  [mailto:
> rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com ] *On Behalf Of *Bill Lindsay
> *Sent:* Monday, October 28, 2013 1:56 PM
> *To:* rbw-owne...@googlegroups.com 
> *Subject:* [RBW] Winter Projects, 2013/14 version
>
>  
>  
> My winter project list involves:
>  
>  
>  
> 1.  Some wheelset swapping:  Dynamo wheelset moves form Hilsen to Rawland 
> rSogn.  New light weight wheelset goes onto Hilsen.  This can't happen yet, 
> because the Hilsen is down in Southern California at my inlaws for some 
> cycling over the holidays.   
>  
> 2.  A vintage restoration.  I'm taking possession of my dad's 1973 Windsor 
> Carrera Sport road bike.  I'll be doing a complete overhaul, along with 
> some modification and reconfiguration.  For hints at what I'll be working 
> on, here's a Bicycling Magazine review of the bike:
>  
>  
>  
> Bicycling Reviews the 1973 Windsor Carrera 
> Sport
>  
>  
>  
> Expect tons of photos
>  
>  
>  
> 3.  I'll likely be making some more DIY bags/cargo-carrying units.  For 
> sure for the prototype Hub-Area Rack, and maybe a few others.  
>  
> 4.  Riding enough to take a run at an SR Series in 2014.  
>  
>  
>  
> What all do you have planned for the winter?
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[RBW] Re: Winter Projects, 2013/14 version

[Montclair BobbyB]

Bill:

So sorry about the loss of your Dad...  The Windsor restoration will be 
special, no doubt.  Can't wait to see it.  Also, please do share the DIY 
bag projects... we talking corroplast creations???

My winter projects include:

- Winterizing my screened-in man-cave (with DIY velcro-mounted clear vinyl 
storm windows.. DONE!!)
- Finding suitable space-heater for said man-cave
- Restoring recent eBay scores:

- 1983 Fuji Touring Series IV (converting to 700c, slightly fatter wheels 
and Nitto Noodle bars, plus full 2-tone repaint in slightly different color 
scheme / re-decal)

- 1990 Trek 970 frameset... repaint/ geared commuter buildup

- SimpleOne tweak... Fixie/Freewheel SS 

 

Slightly OT but equally fun:  Replace timing belts on my 96 Gold Wing

Plan next Riv Rally East - Spring 2014

Peace,
BB


On Monday, October 28, 2013 1:55:33 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> My winter project list involves:
>
> 1.  Some wheelset swapping:  Dynamo wheelset moves form Hilsen to Rawland 
> rSogn.  New light weight wheelset goes onto Hilsen.  This can't happen yet, 
> because the Hilsen is down in Southern California at my inlaws for some 
> cycling over the holidays.   
> 2.  A vintage restoration.  I'm taking possession of my dad's 1973 Windsor 
> Carrera Sport road bike.  I'll be doing a complete overhaul, along with 
> some modification and reconfiguration.  For hints at what I'll be working 
> on, here's a Bicycling Magazine review of the bike:
>
> Bicycling Reviews the 1973 Windsor Carrera 
> Sport
>
> Expect tons of photos
>
> 3.  I'll likely be making some more DIY bags/cargo-carrying units.  For 
> sure for the prototype Hub-Area Rack, and maybe a few others.  
> 4.  Riding enough to take a run at an SR Series in 2014.  
>
> What all do you have planned for the winter?
>

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Re: [RBW] 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Montclair BobbyB]

It's the "eBay-shark-feeding-frenzy" phenom... when an item sells for more 
than the BIN... Not that this wasn't worth the selling price... it's just 
that someone hedged their bets that it would sell for less, yet ended up 
paying more.  Regardless there's someone now with a big smile on their face 
and a new red Wilbury. Oh damn damn damn damn damn


On Wednesday, October 16, 2013 9:31:15 AM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> The right two people both wanted it. Lucky seller! 
>
> On 10/16/13, Steve > wrote: 
> > Unfortunately (or fortunately), not I.  Should have bought it at the 
> $2000 
> > BIN price when first listed.  Somewhat surprised it went for such a 
> premium 
> > 
> > over the BIN price. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, October 15, 2013 11:29:03 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote: 
> > 
> >> Okay, who's the lucky winner? http://www.ebay.com/itm/28118414 
> >> 
> >> On 10/13/13, cyclotourist > wrote: 
> >> > I don't know, that's not much time considering how much work would be 
> >> > involved!!! 
> >> > 
> >> > On 10/12/13, Curtis McKenzie > wrote: 
> >> >> A well directed post. Maybe with a great deal of time, effort and 
> >> expense 
> >> >> such a  bicycle would be some what ready to ride by March 15 2014. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Curtis "Redlands" McKenzie 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013, cyclotourist wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >>> Yes, a very old antique bike, bound to have lots of issues. 
> Probably 
> >> >>> rusted out internally. Jagged exposed metal can give you tetanus, 
> >> >>> which is awful. I'm sure it will need a re-paint as well, never 
> mind 
> >> >>> the original lead-based paint that will cause developmental delays 
> in 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> children.. Very unsafe for you or a loved one to even have in the 
> >> >>> garage. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Yes, move right along, nothing to see here folks... 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> On 10/12/13, Steve  > 
> >> wrote: 
> >> >>> > Should be interesting what it sells for.  However, it is almost a 
> 20 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > year 
> >> >>> > old bike with a mix of nice (Paul, Phil) and ok (Shimano) 
> components 
> >> >>> > 
> >> , 
> >> >>> and 
> >> >>> > being a mixtie, and a large size to boot, probably limits its 
> appeal 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > to 
> >> >>> > fans of Rivendell only.  Who know, the market may go crazy and 
> bid 
> >> it 
> >> >>> > up. 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > 
> >> >>> > On Saturday, October 12, 2013 9:57:10 AM UTC-4, RJM wrote: 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> Yeah, I can easily see why that bike is 2K. It has paul 
> centerpull 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> brakes 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> and wheels with phil wood cassette hubs. That stuff aint cheap. 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> My bet is that the bike sells for more than the 2k BIN price. 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 8:01:25 AM UTC-5, Charlie wrote: 
> >> >>> >> 
> >> >>> >>> I agree the bike looks awkward - replace the stem with a dirt 
> drop 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> and 
> >> >>> it 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> would look better.  I suspect the owner was real tall. 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> Grant has said he would build this frame for $3000 since he 
> still 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> has 
> >> >>> >>> lugs.  Add in the components and replacement cost is $5500+. 
>  To 
> >> >>> >>> those 
> >> >>> >>> who 
> >> >>> >>> expressed concerned that I post this and didn't buy it when the 
> >> BIN 
> >> >>> >>> was 
> >> >>> >>> 2000, I say what were you thinking? 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> Charlie 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> 
> >> >>> >>> On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote: 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not 
> >> show 
> >> >>> up - 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  might have used an incorrect Google ID. 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with 
> good 
> >> >>>  equipment on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have 
> no 
> >> >>>  association 
> >> >>>  with seller. 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  Charlie 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if 
> links 
> >> >>>  
> >> >>>  are 
> >> >>>  permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find 
> >> >>>  though. 
> >> >>>  
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[RBW] Re: Pittsburgh night ride

[Montclair BobbyB]

Andy:  That's awesome to hear... Keep those night rides going!!!  I'd love 
to be in Pittsburgh some Tuesday for one of these rides...maybe work that 
in to my next drive to Cincinnati.  And I can't think of a better guide 
than you (with your historical knowledge).  

When we did the GAP ride last year I had wished we had the time to continue 
all the way to Pittsburgh.  That would certainly be a fun concept... Riding 
into Pittsburgh on the GAP trail, then spending a day/evening in town 
(maybe hooking up with the crew at Bicycle Times)... Pittsburgh has such a 
cool vibe.

Peace,
BB 

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[RBW] Re: '80s Peugeot built for off road riding, updated w/ ride report

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah, Bavaria in Oktober!!!... Only thing missing from the second photo is a 
large mug of beer.  Gorgeous photo.



On Monday, October 14, 2013 4:23:34 AM UTC-4, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> Just thought I'd add a quick ride report to this thread. I took the bike 
> down to the Black Forest a couple of weekends ago. The riding there was a 
> lot of fun—a hilly mix of gravel roads, singletrack, and pushing the bike 
> across paddocks. The trails felt quite secluded and you get some stunning 
> views from the mountains out into the valleys, although the clouds were so 
> low (or the hills were so high?) that I was riding in them a lot of the 
> time. I only had my phone with me so you'll have to excuse the picture 
> quality.
>
> The gearing on the bike was just about right, i.e. almost low enough for 
> anything I'd actually want to ride up. I did get off and walk up a few 
> hills but I wouldn't say it was the bike holding me back. I could maybe 
> use one or two lower gears but it would make the top gears far too low for 
> cruising on pavement, so it's a compromise I'm happy to accept.
>
> The Clément tyres were perfect. I didn't have any problems with grip. I 
> had one pinch flat descending a bit too fast on a rocky path, obviously 
> not a fault of the tyres, but I guess I have to increase the pressure a 
> tad. Only mechanical issue is a slipping seatpost, but as a large person 
> that's something I'm used to dealing with.
>
> Tom
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[RBW] Re: Steve Palinscar

[Montclair BobbyB]

It's only because Steve has been posting under the pseudonym, "Carlos 
Danger"... 

That's very thoughtful of you, Michael...* *


On Monday, October 14, 2013 8:03:28 AM UTC-4, Michael Hechmer wrote:
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> Steve used to be a frequent poster here but I don't recall seeing anything 
> in quite a while.  Does anybody know if he is OK?
>
> Michael
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[RBW] Re: Need low-down on dyno hubs/lights please.

[Montclair BobbyB]

Good point, Andy.  I have yet to read conclusive evidence to prove one hub 
or light is clearly "best". But I think it's safe to say any decent hub 
generator / LED light combo is a wonderful thing, and will instantly (and 
greatly) enhance the riding experience by extending the hours and places 
one can ride.  

In fact, maybe we need to see a few "RIv Night Rallies"???  I've always 
wanted to do a dusk-to-dawn ride along some desolate route, but haven't 
pulled many all-nighters since college.  I am fortunate to live along a 
great rail-trail system on the Delaware River and having my own supply of 
path lighting (and nicely-spaced pubs along the route) makes for some 
excellent extended evening rides, especially in the Fall.

Peace,
Bobby 

On Sunday, October 13, 2013 8:56:52 AM UTC-4, ascpgh wrote:
>
> Michael: 
>
> Nothing is free; energy to run a light comes at a cost and just as the 
> stiffest frame may not be the best one, the brightest light may not be best 
> one either. 
>
> I have a SON hub and LUXOS B light on my commuter. 800 Lumens? No, but 
> putting what you have where it is needed and producing a more positive 
> result with the fewest negatives is worth lots of Lumens in trade. Drag? 
> Yes, you can feel it by turning the lifted wheel.
>
> But the amazing thing the specs don't indicate (Peter White gets close), 
> is how the darn thing feels faster at night with this hub generator and 
> light. It is the same effect as that first new bike you got when you were 
> 12; it is the coolest thing ever and when you see some of the undisciplined 
> light patterns of the retina burning lights out there you will appreciate 
> how "the most available" can be too much. Look at a photo of a flash-lit 
> subject that was light-washed  by the overwhelming illumination of the 
> flash? A fellow rider and commuter in my neighborhood, who rode Crush the 
> Commonwealth (Philadelphia to PIttsburgh, non-stop, non-competitive ride) 
> in under 37 hours, has more light on her bike and helmet than a German 
> sports car. Maybe good off-road in the pitch blackness but it washes out 
> the details I am happiest to see coming. She had to carry so many extra 
> proprietary batteries in that exercise that it probably was more 
> debilitating than a little hub drag.
>
> Andy Cheatham
> Pittsburgh
>
> On Saturday, October 12, 2013 12:56:00 PM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>>
>> What types are there?
>> Do they cause drag? Or have they overcome that with newer technology?
>>  
>> I want something that has zero drag if such a thing exists, and more than 
>> 800 lumens. Am I dreaming?
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: About to start experimenting with centerpulls

[Montclair BobbyB]

*"Experimenting with Centerpulls, you say?"*...  Careful, some regard 
centerpulls as a "gateway" brake... leading to heavier stuff, like drum and 
eventually hydraulic brakes...  Don't go there, friend... I'm living it, 
and have been trying to get clean for years... it's a dark place. 

Just say NO... 

(TGIF, I'm losing it..)

On Wednesday, October 9, 2013 2:30:30 PM UTC-4, Bill Lindsay wrote:
>
> I'm going to start playing around a little bit with centerpull brakes on 
> at least one of my caliper brake equipped bikes.  I bought a pair of the 
> snazzy Gran Compe 610s and the tiny optional front rack from Velo Orange. 
>  They will be replacing Tektro R539 on my "budget Roadeo".  
>
> Riv Content:  I am no longer capable of taking a bike seriously if it 
> doesn't have a front rack on it, thanks to Riv.  I'm obsessed with getting 
> more clearance for fenders and chubby tires for safety, thanks to Riv.  
>
> Anyway, can anyone share about changing straight from modern dual pivot 
> caliper brakes to centerpulls and liking them better?  I'm interested to 
> hear about it.  
>
> FYI, that little rack is TINY.  Check it out next to the Nitto Mini Front:
>
>
> 
>
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[RBW] Re: 60cm Wilbury on the Bay - Original Rivendell Mixte

[Montclair BobbyB]

Oh, that is nice... 

On Friday, October 11, 2013 6:40:40 AM UTC-4, Charlie wrote:
>
> This is my second attempt to post this - first attempt did not show up - 
> might have used an incorrect Google ID.
>
> In any event, there is a beautiful red original mixte with good equipment 
> on the Bay.  These don't show up that often.  Have no association with 
> seller.
>
> Charlie
>
> Apologies if this message appears twice.  Also not sure if links are 
> permitted so didn't include one - should be very easy to find though. 
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Re: [RBW] Re: The state of cycling on Canton, China

[Montclair BobbyB]

Yes indeed... During my recent *(and first)* trip to Beijing I was deeply 
disappointed to see cars clogging the roads *(and noticeably absent were 
the Flying Pidgeons that for years supposedly outnumbered the cars)*.  It's 
actually quite telling of how the growing Chinese economy has changed the 
transportation industry in China from bicycle to automobile... There have 
been approximately 500 million Flying Pidgeons manufactured *(more than the 
US population)*, making it the most popular vehicle of all time *(Source: 
Wikipedia - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flying_Pigeon).*






On Saturday, September 28, 2013 6:18:03 PM UTC-4, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Michael: thanks for the photos -- very interesting indeed. To my own eyes, 
> the very striking thing was the total absence of Flying Pigeons -- those 
> imitations cranked out by the 10s of millions of the WWI-era British design 
> and that used to be like ants in pre-capitalist China; the English rod 
> braked roadster or Bobby bike. Where did they all go? Gad, the mere 
> quantity of low quality scrap steel must have been incalculable. As it is, 
> the photos look almost like NYC or Italy.
>
> FWIW: though I have a strong nostalgia for the Bobby Bike -- I owned one 
> (hot rodded with scarlet paint and AW hub), and rode mine and several 
> others for thousands of miles in my boyhood, including long, strenuous 
> 50-60 milers in hilly terrain climbing toward the Rift Valley at 6+K feet 
> under the equatorial sun (our askari's, single speed of course; wonderful 
> memories) -- I have to say that they are a hugely primitive and by modern 
> standards barbaric design, with their 50 lb weight, Penny-Farthing-modeled 
> riding position, high bb, excessively high gearing, and useless brakes. 
> IMO, tigg'd aluminum was the best thing to happen to cheap bikes.
>
> It is interesting to reflect on the attitude that many overworked and poor 
> riders and owners had to their roadsters: pure utility. They rode it, 
> considering things like chain and brake pads structural rather than 
> consumable elements. I've seen exceptions -- one of our cooks kept his in 
> gleaming, polished condition -- but for the most part, pure utility, a mere 
> upgrade from sandals made from old tires.
>
>
> On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 3:58 PM, Michael 
> > wrote:
>
>> I was so impressed with the bikes there.
>>>
>> I just realized that I didn't get a pic of what I thought were the 
>> prettiest bikes there to be seen - The Guangzhou made bikes that look like 
>> old Raleigh three speeds. They had cassettes, though. But were those pretty 
>> black, dark green, and dark maroon bikes with matched color fenders. Very 
>> pretty bikes.
>>  
>> Here is the set:
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/70237737@N00/sets/72157635988782516/
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[RBW] Re: Supplier of quality waxed canvas?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Patrick:  Great photos (BTW)... I have a question about your blue jacket... 
You had mentioned in a previous post that this is made of ventile cotton... 
After field-testing this in the wild, what is your opinion of the overall 
performance and feel of ventile (versus other waterproof materials like 
Gore-Tex or waxed cotton)??  Thanks!!! BB

On Saturday, September 28, 2013 10:04:56 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> This past trip my experiment with carrying my food on the front Mark's 
> rack worked out wonderfully.  I put the food (relatively small amount per 
> day, as it's one meal a day of butter, beef jerky, and dried potatoes) into 
> the bear-bag and wrap that in a 3'x3' tarp which then doubles as a ground 
> cloth to sit on. Here's a pic of the wrap on the rack: 
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/32311885@N07/9980939546/
>
> I would love to have the food be wrapped in waxed cotton canvas, which can 
> then double as a ground cloth. Anyone know a good source for waxed canvas 
> cloth or tarps?
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
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[RBW] Re: '80s Peugeot built for off road riding, limited Riv content

[Montclair BobbyB]

Love the rims (Rigida Sputnik); I only wish they were avail in the US... 
Wonder if Riv could stock these (hint hint)

Beautiful, simple build, Tom... very Rivish... Makes you just want to hop 
on and ride

BB 

On Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:32:21 AM UTC-4, Tom Harrop wrote:
>
> Hi list,
>
> Firstly an apology for the limited Rivendell content, but maybe some 
> members will be interested anyway.
>
> I've been thinking about getting another Riv to use as a specific MTB / 
> off-road bike. I think a 64 cm Sam would be just about big enough for me 
> and give me enough tyre clearance for the sort of riding I want to 
> do—nothing outrageous, just unpaved roads and singletrack. I contacted Riv 
> and was told that maybe a 64 cm Sam would be a little too small, and if I 
> wanted a specific off-road machine I should think about a second 68 cm 
> Bombadil. That's a little out of my price range for the foreseeable 
> future... (end of Riv content).
>
> I coincidentally found a 66 cm Peugeot frame for sale locally. When I got 
> it home I was surprised to find it had room for 40 mm tyres, so I decided 
> to build it up as a pseudo-MTB to test my Sam Hillborne theory. From my 
> research it's an early '80s PX-8, which was an entry-level touring bike—no 
> fancy tubeset or anything. I think the head and seat angles are 71° or 
> thereabouts and it has long-ish chainstays so it's not too unlike a Sam.
>
> I used a dirt-drop stem to get the bars nice 'n' high, which worked out 
> well for me because I prefer a short reach. Other than that it didn't turn 
> out to be a very Riv-ish build. I had planned a 1×7 drivetrain but because 
> of a quirk of the frame, using a derailer would have cost me a lot of tyre 
> clearance at the chainstay, so I got a Nexus IGH instead.
>
> I'm quite pleased with the Clément MSO tyres (although I'm no 
> connoisseur). They roll nicely on pavement, maybe even as nicely as the 60 
> mm Big Apples on my Bombadil, and they have been grippy enough for the mud 
> I've been through. Time will tell if 40 mm tyres are enough for my large 
> self on an off-road bike. I'm planning to take it down to the Black Forest 
> in a week or two for some proper off-road riding, with hills.
>
> Here's a photo or two of the build if anyone's 
> interested
> .
>
> Hope everyone has a nice Sunday.
>
> Tom
> Cologne, Germany
>

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[RBW] Re: Non-Nitto Front Rack Recommendations

[Montclair BobbyB]

Have you considered just the Wald basket (with the included stays and 
mount)?  It may seem less glamorous, but it's very functional (and 
inexpensive)... plus you can spray paint it to match or complement your 
bike's color, and even add some inexpensive wood slats to give it that 
customized finish.  BB

On Sunday, September 29, 2013 6:23:22 PM UTC-4, Cecily Walker wrote:
>
> I'm interested in putting a front rack (to be used under a Wald basket) on 
> the front of my Betty Foy. While I love the Nitto racks, I don't have Nitto 
> money.  Can anyone recommend a nice looking, functional front rack that 
> won't add too much bulk/weight to the front end? I'm eyeballing the 
> Velo-Orange Randonneur front rack, but I've not been able to find much 
> written about it online. 
>
> Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
>

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[RBW] Re: Randonnerding totally loaded in Vermont and New Hampshire

[Montclair BobbyB]

Actually,Norm I had a great ride to the Kingdom planned for late 
September/early October with a good friend from Sonoma, but he couldn't 
make it back East. We even planned a stop at the Hill Farmstead in 
Greensboro Bend, where Shaun Hill is brewing up some world-class beers, *(and 
we all know beer and bike culture go together so well)*.  I also planned to 
take advantage of the great snowmobile trails; it's such a gorgeous area, 
definitely future Riv Rally territory... For now I'll have to experience it 
(vicariously) through Matt B. Thanks for sharing the great photos, Matt!!!

It hasn't been a total bust, however... I did make it up to Grand Isle 2 
weeks ago, where I enjoyed some great riding and had the pleasure of 
attending a beer event at my brother's house, co-hosted by local beer hero 
Sean Lawson (Lawson's Finest Liquids)... *a most righteous brewer is he...*

Peace,
Bobby 

On Wednesday, September 25, 2013 2:38:27 PM UTC-4, Norman R wrote:
>
> Thanks for the report and photos.  I rode in that area for about a week 
> 20-25 years ago and it was/is a perfect bike riding location.  Perhaps 
> Montclair Bobby B. or someone else more local could think about putting 
> together a Riv.RideEast?
> Norman
>
> On Tuesday, September 24, 2013 10:02:17 AM UTC-4, Matt Beebe wrote:
>>
>> Hi All, just thought I'd share some photos from a recent ride to Vermont. 
>>I went to the Northeast Kingdom to visit friends not far from the 
>> Canadian border, and took a nice route to get there and back.
>>
>> http://www.flickr.com/photos/43029278@N07/sets/72157635839369194/
>>
>> There are many, many miles of dirt road and snowmobile/ATV trails on the 
>> way up there, some smooth, some rocky, but all fun.   Even the paved roads 
>> are nice.   The scenery was gorgeous, and the leaves had begun to change 
>> already, especially north of White River Junction.The small towns and 
>> nice people in Vermont are the best.
>>
>> The bike handled perfectly, and the only thing that rattled loose was my 
>> mudflap(!) toward the end of the trip on a particularly bumpy section. 
>> You may notice I only have one water bottle, but that's because I prefer 
>> dromedary bags for carrying most of my water-  the bottle is just a more 
>> convenient vessel to drink from :)  
>>
>> This was my first fully loaded ride using moustache bars and the Nitto 
>> Large back rack, which I bought from Riv a while ago-I had been using a 
>> Tubus Cargo prior to this.I found the M-bars to be fantastic for 
>> all-day riding.  I had used them before for ~2 hour rides on my QB and 
>> reckoned they'd be good for touring, but have always just stuck with 
>> Noodles since I know they work well for me. This ride convinced me that 
>> M-bars give plenty of hand positions for comfort and work well on bumpy 
>> terrain when riding somewhat heavily loaded.   You do need a short stem 
>> with M-bars though.
>>
>> My only (minor) complaint about the Nitto rack is that platform is much 
>> too far back behind the rear axle, and it is difficult to get weight far 
>> enough forward with it due to the tombstone being so far back.Sliding 
>> the mounting points forward at the top results in the rack tilting forward 
>> at an odd angle.   This is strange to me since I ride relatively large 
>> frames, and most racks (especially non-adjustable ones) end up tilting 
>> backward because of the steep angle of my seat-stays.  The Nitto seems more 
>> geared toward frames with ultra-short chainstays, or super-tall frames.
>> BUT it is still a ridiculously nice rack though, and I have like 5 inches 
>> of heel clearance with it (size 10's) so if you have large feet/ heel 
>> clearance issues with your rack it would be a good option.I may go back 
>> to the Tubus for future loaded riding, as it seems ideally suited to frames 
>> in my size in terms of where the platform is located.I also really like 
>> an R14 with the large saddlesack when not riding with panniers.
>>
>> Anyway hope you enjoy the photos.
>>
>> Matt
>>
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Re: [RBW] RBW BUNCH WITHDRAWALS.

[Montclair BobbyB]

I too sensed a disturbance in the iForce on Thursday night. Friday morning 
I heard it was somehow related to the new iPhone and release of the new 
Apple iOS... which if true is rather scary... kinda like everyone flushing 
their toilets at the same time during Super Bowl halftime.

I fear iMegeddon is coming...

On Friday, September 20, 2013 11:41:12 AM UTC-4, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
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> I think something went wonky in the G-universe yesterday afternoon.  I 
> couldn't access files and mail for about a half hour (not on-list, but via 
> gmail).  Could have been some local server farm issue that they didn't 
> catch for a bit.  But, it does seem to have resolved itself.
>
> - Jim / list admin but unable to open the black box on this one
>
>
>
> On Thursday, September 19, 2013 10:17:28 PM UTC-7, hsmitham wrote:
>>
>> That's it Phillip, around 3:30 to 4 pm nothing then blam! Back up sanity 
>> restored. Hey it gets me through the work day :-)
>>
>> -Hugh
>> On Sep 19, 2013 10:06 PM, "Philip Williamson"  
>> wrote:
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>>> digests, and click through to the Group to respond. Today I did kind of 
>>> wonder where everyone was, and then shortly after four, I got three digests 
>>> in short order, all bunched together like Muni buses.
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[RBW] Re: New Mixte?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Impossible to upstage your Betty... unless of course it's called *"Leah Foy"
*, and DOES actually come in lipstick pink.. *(hey, that's at least more 
likely than a mixte called "MontclairBobbyB"...just sayin...) *

On Wednesday, September 18, 2013 1:17:32 AM UTC-4, LeahFoy wrote:
>
> Well, I'm not happy. What if the new mixte is even more fabulous than my 
> 9-month-old Betty? What if the new bike comes in lipstick pink or the 
> Glorious red? What's a girl to do THEN?

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[RBW] Re: Morning ride, Proto-Appaloosa Mystery Bike

[Montclair BobbyB]

Uh, Tom... Those aren't deer... THAT my friend is a genuine 
pushmepullyou... I've never seen a photo of one in the wild... 
Come to think of it, I don't think I've actually seen a photo of a wild 
Proto-Appaloosa either... pic please???

On Tuesday, September 17, 2013 12:09:55 PM UTC-4, Pudge wrote:
>
>  Feeling sluggish lately, so I set the alarm for an early morning jaunt 
> on the Mystery Bike north and west out of Wilmington, along a main corridor 
> (for Delaware, that is) that was mostly devoid of traffic at 5:30 in the 
> morning.  Quiet and pleasant riding in the early morning darkness (Who 
> loves dynamo lights?  * This *guy!), when I came up over a hill looking 
> out over the lawns at Wintherthur (family estate of a DuPont family member 
> who at one time controlled *both* the DuPont Company *and* General 
> Motors) and saw the sun begin to light the eastern sky.  So I pulled out 
> the phone and snapped a pic.  Only noticed later, when I uploaded to 
> Flickr, that there were a couple of deer at the top of the ridge; a happy 
> discovery.  It was the only picture I took, but I guess it proves the ride 
> happened.  22 miles, chilly morning, sluggish no more!
>
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[RBW] Re: Practical Racing

[Montclair BobbyB]

Ah yes... Nothing motivates and makes you reach deep quite like approaching 
thunder and lightning... My streak to the finish is usually accompanied by 
a frantic "Woob woob woob..."... Lightning scares the dillies out of me...  

On Monday, September 16, 2013 8:39:16 PM UTC-4, Deacon Patrick wrote:
>
> Sometimes racing can be practical. Today, after a wonderful ride to a 
> mountain reservoir where I spend a few hours before coming home, I could 
> clearly see in looming well over the horizon a wall of thunderous clouds. 
> Each time I was able to glimpse them between the trees and hills it was 
> rapidly closing in. Yes, I has rain gear with me. But dealing with traffic 
> on the state highway when it's dark and raining is hardly fun. 7 miles to 
> go. Who would win? Thunder rolling all around, the updraft of the storm 
> behind me creating a headwind that greatly slowed my descent. I made it 
> into town still dry, with half a mile to go, surrounded by dark and fog and 
> near constant thunder. I crossed the finish line into my garage as the 
> first drops fell. Got 'um at the tape with a lean! Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> *www.MindYourHeadCoop.org*
> *www.OurHolyConception.org*
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[RBW] Re: Low Normal Derailers

[Montclair BobbyB]

+1 on the XTR, particularly the M951 (with built-in rollamajiggy, if you 
can pick one up for a reasonable price on eBay)... Been using them for 
years, LOVE EM!!!

BB

On Thursday, September 12, 2013 9:44:08 AM UTC-4, bobish wrote:
>
> Matt, thus the "ymmv" disclaimer. 
>
> • Perry 
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Re: [RBW] Re: It's like having a brand new bike!

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Stunning bike... People must stop you and ask:  Rivendell Sumehra?  Never 
heard of that model...  Zurich is so beautiful, please snap some photos of 
this bike along the lake.  Good luck!  BB


On Wednesday, September 11, 2013 8:22:12 AM UTC-4, Ron Mc wrote:
>
> Rebuilds are the next-best thing to a new bike
>
> On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 9:03:24 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.comwrote:
>>
>> A new-new bike, how fantastic. It looks a lot more useful, while being 
>> cleaned up. White tires are hawt! What you gonna do with the old 
>> mud-guards? 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Bombadil 60cm - Planning to sell

[Montclair BobbyB]

Bombadil has been sold to a fellow RBWOBer... Thx to all who expressed 
interest

BB


On Friday, August 16, 2013 12:11:58 AM UTC-4, Michael wrote:
>
> That headbadge is absolutely "dil-icious". I didn't read your comment 
>> about it until after I admired it.
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Riv Bike Evolutionary Succession

[Montclair BobbyB]

Or maybe the Bomba is just a 'premium Hunqa' ???  I know I often harp on 
how Grant characterizes the Bomba as a mountain bike, but maybe I've 
overlooked the true significance of the Bomba and Hunqa in mountain biking 
history. I love what Grant has created in the the Bomba and Hunqa; in my 
opinion these picked up where the earlier mountain bike designs left off, 
and set an altogether different (and perhaps long-lost evolutionary) course 
from the 'rest' of the mountain biking industry.  Here's what I'm talking 
about: I also ride a Niner MCR fully rigid steel 29er mountain bike, set up 
solely for trail.  I ride it virtually everywhere my friends ride on their 
full-suspension bikes.  I never liken the Niner to any of the early (fully 
rigid steel) MTBs; it's an entirely different beast (which evolved along 
the lines of the modern hardtail, and not so much the early MTBs).  Both 
the Bomba and the Niner are quality steel mountain bikes, but that's where 
the similarities end.

And while I do savor taking the Bomba offroad, when I run into technical 
rock gardens, large fallen logs and tight twisty turns, that's often the 
point when I'll naturally dismount my Bomba.  Yet I wouldn't even hesitate 
to rip through these obstacles on the Niner... it virtually eats up this 
type of terrain...

The Bomba and Hunqa may represent a missing link to the early StumpJumpers, 
Alpinas, Mongoose ATBs and (of course the Bridgestone MBs).. They've simply 
set a slightly different evolutionary course.  

BB

 
On Friday, September 6, 2013 5:30:47 AM UTC-4, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> AFAIK, The RBW Atlantis is really "Atlantis 2" There was a Bridgestone 
> Atlantis, but that was a different bike.  The Atlantis 2 comes out of the 
> XO-1 lineage. Bombadil is another go at a mountain bike and Hunquapillar is 
> an economy model Bombadil.
>
>
> On Thu, Sep 5, 2013 at 7:46 PM, Deacon Patrick 
> > wrote:
>
>> Thank you, Jim. That's a great family history of the road side of the 
>> family. I imagine, but do not know, the Bombadil and Hunqapillar came from 
>> the Atlantis and perhaps go as far back as the Mountain shown in the 
>> poster. I'd love to know the evolution that led to the Atlantis, Bombadil, 
>> and Hunqapillar if anyone knows.
>>
>> With abandon,
>> Patrick
>>
>> On Thursday, September 5, 2013 10:07:10 AM UTC-6, Cyclofiend Jim wrote:
>>>
>>> Ha!
>>>
>>> Indeed... the "other" is always "V-O"  
>>>
>>> ;^)
>>>
>>> about.me/jimedgar
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 9:32:20 PM UTC-7, jbu...@gmail.comwrote:

 n.b. - when cyclofiend says VO, he means voiceover: 
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[RBW] Re: SimpleOne Rohloff Conversion

[Montclair BobbyB]

First, congratulations; that's an ambitious mod.  The basic concept is cool 
(i.e. being able to switch between single-speed and internal-geared), 
except cold-setting a 120mm spaced-frame to 135mm to me is pretty extreme. 
A big part of the appeal of the S1/QB is that it IS a single speed and it 
has 120mm rear spacing.  If you want gears (let alone a 14-speed Rohloff), 
why are you starting with a 120mm SS frame and (forever) altering its 
genetic structure? And how can you ever go back to SS (in good conscience) 
as a 135mm-spaced SS???  Besides, there are other gearing options without 
having to cold set.  For example, you can get creative with a dual-speed 
freewheel and double crankset to at least stretch your SS into a 4-speed. 
 Or you can choose a 126mm internal-geared hub (like a SRAM/Spectro P5 or 
S7; granted not a Rohloff, but a nice durable hub).  I use a Patterson 
2-speed crankset which extends my S1 to climb moderate hills. Add an S7 
hub, and you've got formidable gear range.

OK, blah blah blah... fact remains you've already created a Simple-14.. at 
the very least that's audacious, diabolical and totally Frankenbikish, 
worthy of props... so I'll give that a big Dr Evil "MBWAAAHH"!!!

Peace,
BB



On Wednesday, September 4, 2013 5:55:53 PM UTC-4, Daniel Molloy wrote:
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> Hi group,
>
> I thought I would share this Rohloff conversion we just finished at Cycle 
> Monkey. As a former Rivendell employee and current Rohloff user I'm a 
> little biased, but I think it turned out great. We cold-set the rear 
> triangle without any problems. Alex Wetmore converted his Quickbeam to a 
> Rohloff a while back, but there doesn't seem to be much info online about 
> it anymore. Fair Disclosure: I currently work at Cycle Monkey, and am only 
> posting here since I believe it counts as relevant and interesting Riv 
> Content.
>
>
> http://cyclemonkeylab.blogspot.com/2013/09/rivendell-simpleone-rohloff-speedhub.html
>
> Thanks!
>

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[RBW] Re: Summer is over...(For me anyway)

[Montclair BobbyB]

Manny:

You're a great story-teller... thanks for always sharing your adventures. 
 Good luck with the start of a new school year... Your students are lucky 
to learn from someone with such passion for the outdoors.  

Peace,
Bobby

On Tuesday, August 27, 2013 11:26:12 PM UTC-4, Manuel Acosta wrote:
>
> One last hurrah before teaching takes over my life again.
> During the birthday camping a few of us talked about going out and doing 
> one last summer campout. What better way to finish the summer then with a 
> trip to an abandon ranch on Mt.Diablo, the summer mountain!
>
> Like always great rides start with something dumb happening.
> Before jumping on Bart, Dav, Brencho and I stopped by the local taco truck 
> to get a quick taco before the ride. I ended up losing Brencho's phone at 
> the taco truck.. Brencho was super cool about it and for the rest of the 
> ride the on going joke was , "Hey Brencho this would look nice why won't 
> you take a picture of it on your phonenevermind." 
>
> All in good fun.
>
> We roll over to Rivendell with Duy, Wilson, Mike and his friend Matt 
> waiting for us and surprisingly the rest of the Grin Fundo camping folks.
>
> We purposely didn't try to overlap both events but I guess that's what 
> happens when you don't pay attention to dates and stuff. 
>
> The Grin Fundo group rode up before and we caught up along the way. Got to 
> talk to a handful of folks on the list and even (gasp) take a few pictures. 
>
> After the Junction the groups parted ways and we made our way up to the 
> abandon rancho. Dark was settling in and we ended up pitching tents in 30 
> mph winds! 
>
> Dinner was shared as we made spam musubi and The Dav. A fire roasted 
> banana with chocolate chops, small marshmallows and *wait for it* whisky in 
> it's pudding like goodness.
>
> We slept very weary knowing that at any moment a shadowy ghost of the old 
> ranchers could come by and wake us at any moment!
>
> The next day we were lucky enough to find ourselves over a blanket of fog 
> that cleared once we rode down it and back home.
>
> Great trip. Looking forward to doing again next summer!
>
> Pictures proved that we didn't die from ghostly ranchers:
> http://flic.kr/s/aHsjHLAmuP
>
> -Manny "The next one is in the summer" Acosta
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Cockpit Change-out's

[Montclair BobbyB]

I ran DaVinci cable splitters on my Bomba (to swap between Noodles and 
Bullmoose bars)... An idea Seth Vidal shared with this forum :) 
I was able to swap bars, brakes and shifters in literally 5 minutes... 
pretty cool setup.

Here's how I had mine set up:

Shift cables:
I put splitters on the front and rear derailleur cables, and located them 
just below the downtube cable stop/adjusters. 
Each bar setup contained its own cable stop/adjuster and one half of the 
splitter.  A swap merely required detaching/attaching the cable stop and 
disconnecting/connecting the DaVinci splitter.  
 
Brake cables:
I opted for V-brakes, because (for one) they work very well, but make it 
easy to swap levers (keeping a noodle on each brake cable, and detaching 
the cable at the brake caliper.

So to swap a bar setup, this is the order of steps:

Loosen stem bolt
Disconnect front and rear brakes at caliper and unroute brake 
housings/cables
Disconnect DaVinci splitters for front and rear derailleurs and unroute 
deraileur housings/cables
Disconnect cable stops/adjusters
Pull entire assembly out of headtube (with connected brake and shift cables)

Install other set of bars and reconnect brake and shift cables.  

Getting the initial setup dialed in (with 2 sets of bars/shifters/brakes) 
is the bigger challenge; doing the swap each time is pretty easy.  Good 
luck!

Peace,
Bobby

On Tuesday, August 20, 2013 2:57:38 PM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> I was about to put this in Christian's 'Messing with the hunq' thread but 
> decided it was just enough off topic...
>  
>  Question for William, or anyone else who has multiple cockpit's set up 
> for a single bike I'd be interested in your thoughts for doing that. 
> Specifcally if you have any tricks for preserving/extending the life of the 
> cables... when you switch cockpits does the new one have a wholy new set of 
> cables/housing already installed or are you stripping down the bars and 
> re-cabling every time?
>  
> I've swapped once on an MB-5 from Flat bars to moustache and then back to 
> a flat (bulmoose) setup where I left the cables installed on the shifters 
> but I ended up still replacing 3 of 4 cables by the end of the process.
>  
> Has anyone looked into using the cable disconnects a-la the S&S coupler 
> bikes as a short cut for cockpit changeout?
>  
> Given the versatility of the Atlantis I'm thinking you could have an 
> awesome capability to go fat tire - upright bars, not-so-fat tire - drop 
> bars... or vice versa.  But I'd want to be able to easily do it in 30-45 
> min tops and not have to buy new cables all the time.  
>  
> Tony
>  
>  
>

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[RBW] Re: Practical differences - SON vs Shimano Dyno hub?

[Montclair BobbyB]

I owned a SON on a previous bike (which I have since sold), and it was an 
absolutely beautiful hub... It made me think "If Phil Wood made a dynamo 
hub, this would be it"...  But honestly I was hard-pressed to notice 
whether it gave better performance than my Shimano or SRAM dyno-hubs.

Since then I have owned several dynamos, including Shimano DH-3N70, SRAM 
iLight, and Sturmey Archer X-FDD.  They all performed well; the Shimano (to 
me) feels like the best quality of the 3 (and for much less $ than the 
SON).  I've gotten some great deals on the SRAM iLight, and I really like 
that hub too.  The Sturmey (don't ask me why) seems like it's not quite as 
powerful, but that could be my imagination.  They certainly look like 
amazingly well-built hubs for the $.  But I can understand for certain 
builds (where you want that high end quality finish), you may just have to 
go with a Phil Wood, or a Chris King or a SON... the quality of the SON hub 
is apparent... it's solid.

I haven't heard too many bad reviews on dynamo hubs (which is the best 
news)... these days you don't have to spend much to get a quality dyno 
setup on your bike.  I have em on several bikes... it's just the way to go.

BB

On Saturday, August 17, 2013 1:38:43 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>
> Any personal experiences to back up the price delta?  I'm currently 
> running a shimano on my 650b converted trek. Aside from an intermittent 
> 'chirp' that I sometimes notice I have no complaints.  I'll be building up 
> another dyno wheel in 700c this fall, and I'm curious if anyone can talk me 
> into the son.   It definitely wins on looks...
>
> Is it basically like choosing between a nice XT/105 rear hub vs a 
> king/white/Paul version...?
>
> Thanks,
> Tony
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Crazy Idea: Riv National Jamboree

[Montclair BobbyB]

What's not to love about the Bay Area, and it would naturally be a great 
(and logical) place for a national gathering.  But I've never visited the 
Twin Cities, Marc Irwin makes a great point about Amtrak travel, and the 
bike vibe there (despite harsh winters) is unflappable.  I vote for MSP.

BB

On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 11:42:09 PM UTC-4, allenmichael wrote:
>
> I would likely vote for a.MSP destination. Some of my forebears left 
> Minnesota to come to California. I've always been curious to get out there 
> and look around.
>
> Michael Allen
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: What do Rivendell riders wear for cycling shorts for long rides?

[Montclair BobbyB]

Cotton camo shorts with lots of pockets... or thin nylon shorts with 
pockets, or jeans, or cotton madras shorts... the point is, I ride in 
whatever I've got on... I stopped wearing padded shorts when I started 
riding only Brooks saddles (B17 saddle of choice) and overall I've been 
much more comfortable.

BB 

On Thursday, August 15, 2013 12:18:22 PM UTC-4, Marc Irwin wrote:
>
> Hadn't thought of the carbon fiber thong,  hmm... I'm too young for 
> diapers.  Seriously, I wear Champion athletic undies and Musa Shorts almost 
> all the time, especially on long rides.
>
> Marc
>
> On Wednesday, August 14, 2013 9:13:17 PM UTC-4, Peter M wrote:
>>
>> I use my carbon fiber thong, laterally stiff yet vertically compliant. 
>> :-) 
>> On Aug 14, 2013 9:10 PM, "RJM"  wrote:
>>
>>> I wear bike shorts and jerseys...have a few different pairs. Two are 
>>> Pearl Izumi Pro shorts that are awesome. Anykind of club riding where speed 
>>> is high on the list or distances over 30 miles and I am wearing dedicated 
>>> bike shorts. 
>>>  
>>> I also own several pairs of MUSA shorts and wear them with regular 
>>> undies all the time on shorter than 30 mile routes. 
>>>  
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, August 13, 2013 10:26:54 PM UTC-5, Michael wrote:
>>>
 What do you Rivendell riders wear on long rides? Centuries, metric or 
 English, etc.
  
 I know there is a general anti-padded-shorts vibe that emanates from 
 Walnut Creek.
  
 But I just cannot go more than 20 miles in regular pants without 
 sweat-soaked undergarments just squeaking away against my flesh like a 
 squeegee. Ouch!!
  
 I use LBS padded shorts for long rides but looking for something with a 
 thicker pad and maybe bigger in the back for my upright Alba riding 
 posture, since that puts more sitting area on the rear of the rear, so to 
 speak.
  
 Thanks for any advice.

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[RBW] Bombadil 60cm - Planning to sell

[Montclair BobbyB]

Putting this out to the group in advance.  I plan to prepare my Bombadil 
for sale shortly, which is a double top-tube 60cm in dark green and cream. 
 I need to sell a few bikes in my stable, and I'm forced to make a tough 
choice.  I also hope there may be a nice home for it among this group. 
 Currently it's set up with bullmoose/thumbshifters, but I also have a set 
of Noodles with barend shifters that can easily go back on the bike.  If 
you're potentially interested, kindly contact me offline 
(montclairbob...@gmail.com).  Several past pics on Flickr:  
http://www.flickr.com/photos/16461051@N04/sets/72157625000944598/

Peace, 
Bobby

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[RBW] Re: Leaving RBW Owners Bunch

[Montclair BobbyB]

*OK we convinced him... let the hazing rituals continue... *

On Friday, August 9, 2013 12:19:24 PM UTC-4, Tom Virgil wrote:
>
> Looks like it is raining messages, now.  Appreciate the encouragement from 
> all of you.  I think it will be well worth it to stay on.  What a great 
> group.
>
> Thanks
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 9:48:47 PM UTC-7, Tom Virgil wrote:
>>
>> Much as I have tried, I am unable to post here.  While there has been 
>> mention of dropped posts,and I have sent mail to the admin (doubt if he go 
>> it).   I am done.
>>
>> Best regards to all of you Riv riders.
>>
>> Tom
>>
>

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[RBW] Re: PETA for Fat Tired Bikes!

[Montclair BobbyB]

*FYI, this traffic symbol is known as a "Squarrow"...*

On Friday, August 9, 2013 11:21:36 AM UTC-4, Montclair BobbyB wrote:
>
> Another hit and run on a poor innocent critter... I have a provocative 
> question for you, Tony.  Was Rocky proceeding 'in the lane' at a reasonable 
> speed when you rolled over him?  DID you perhaps have just a little bit of 
> rage in your heart???  It's bad enough there's no more funding for 
> squirrel-lanes...we need to publicize this growing problemShare the 
> road, stop the madness!!!
>
>
> <https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-NZiUv_mUTnI/UgUG-uqaH3I/EbA/llMhAsi01BY/s1600/Squarrow.jpg>
> *(Disclaimer: all in jest... Peace, BB)*
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, August 8, 2013 10:10:12 AM UTC-4, Tony DeFilippo wrote:
>>
>> The subject popped into my head a moment after I ran over a squirell this 
>> morning on my 650b x 42mm hetres and I saw him scamper off, and up a 
>> tree... can't say he's completely ok, but it looks like he had a decent 
>> shot.  First time I've actually hit a critter on the bike, I've heard of a 
>> friend taking a rabbit into the spokes of his wheel with predictably 
>> unpleasant results, but always managed to avoid them myself.  
>>
>> On a rider safety angle... I can report that squirrel-sized trail debri 
>> doesn't even redirect my bike when rolling at about 14-15mph!
>>
>> Tony
>>
>>

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