Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride: wee dram optional

2020-02-17 Thread Patrick Moore
https://www.theguardian.com/books/booksblog/2011/jun/13/poem-week-g-k-chesterton

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:02 AM Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> “Bannockburn by way of Brighton Beach” is dead funny, and euphonious. And
> dark, considering Bannockburn’s place in history, which sets up the last
> verse pretty well.
>
> The rest of it I’ll have to google.
>
> Philip
> Santa Rosa, CA
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride: wee dram optional

2020-02-16 Thread Philip Williamson
“Bannockburn by way of Brighton Beach” is dead funny, and euphonious. And dark, 
considering Bannockburn’s place in history, which sets up the last verse pretty 
well. 

The rest of it I’ll have to google.

Philip
Santa Rosa, CA 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride: wee dram optional

2020-02-16 Thread Patrick Moore
One of your best stories yet. I'm sorry you have no photos.

To celebrate the anecdote, here is a poem first publishe din 1913 under the
title "A Song Of Temperance Reform."

The Rolling English Road
By G. K. Chesterton 
Before the Roman came to Rye or out to Severn strode,
The rolling English drunkard made the rolling English road.
A reeling road, a rolling road, that rambles round the shire,
And after him the parson ran, the sexton and the squire;
A merry road, a mazy road, and such as we did tread
The night we went to Birmingham by way of Beachy Head.

I knew no harm of Bonaparte and plenty of the Squire,
And for to fight the Frenchman I did not much desire;
But I did bash their baggonets because they came arrayed
To straighten out the crooked road an English drunkard made,
Where you and I went down the lane with ale-mugs in our hands,
The night we went to Glastonbury by way of Goodwin Sands.

His sins they were forgiven him; or why do flowers run
Behind him; and the hedges all strengthening in the sun?
The wild thing went from left to right and knew not which was which,
But the wild rose was above him when they found him in the ditch.
God pardon us, nor harden us; we did not see so clear
The night we went to Bannockburn by way of Brighton Pier.

My friends, we will not go again or ape an ancient rage,
Or stretch the folly of our youth to be the shame of age,
But walk with clearer eyes and ears this path that wandereth,
And see undrugged in evening light the decent inn of death;
For there is good news yet to hear and fine things to be seen,
Before we go to Paradise by way of Kensal Green.

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> In 2000, me wifie and cousin and I did a hired bike tour of the best
> whisky in the world. Three miles, three distilleries. Grin. The winding
> costal road got straighter with each stop. Grin. Then we discovered that
> our bnb was the other side of the island instead of just three miles on.
> Whooof.  My bike had no tools, but the handlebars came loose in the
> headset. Bashed it back into place with a bit borrowed from one of those
> drystone walls you can see there. Jacobs sheep laughing at me through the
> whisky mist. The roads that go inland are straight, which seems mighty
> curvy after three distilleries of tasting. Grin. Scotland redefines
> headwinds. Islay redefines them yet again. Ain't nuffin' slowing them down
> from gaining speed across the Atlantic. Then they hit me and I slowed down.
> A lot. Grin.
>
> With abandon,
> Patrick
>
> On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7, David Carner wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/aug/17/hardcore-cycling-in-almost-guaranteed-rain-scotlands-no-frills-anti-sportive
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride: wee dram optional

2020-02-16 Thread 'Deacon Patrick' via RBW Owners Bunch
In 2000, me wifie and cousin and I did a hired bike tour of the best whisky 
in the world. Three miles, three distilleries. Grin. The winding costal 
road got straighter with each stop. Grin. Then we discovered that our bnb 
was the other side of the island instead of just three miles on. 
Whooof.  My bike had no tools, but the handlebars came loose in the 
headset. Bashed it back into place with a bit borrowed from one of those 
drystone walls you can see there. Jacobs sheep laughing at me through the 
whisky mist. The roads that go inland are straight, which seems mighty 
curvy after three distilleries of tasting. Grin. Scotland redefines 
headwinds. Islay redefines them yet again. Ain't nuffin' slowing them down 
from gaining speed across the Atlantic. Then they hit me and I slowed down. 
A lot. Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Sunday, February 16, 2020 at 10:03:29 AM UTC-7, David Carner wrote:
>
>
> https://www.theguardian.com/environment/bike-blog/2017/aug/17/hardcore-cycling-in-almost-guaranteed-rain-scotlands-no-frills-anti-sportive
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-29 Thread lum gim fong
Masala Chai and a Samosa🚴🏻

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-28 Thread Ryan Fleming
I hear you about accidents in traffic

I've never enjoyed riding in heavy traffic at the best of times ...but next 
spring (since I don't ride in winter...prefer walking) I'm going to be even 
more attentive...not that I wasn't when I had my accident

On Saturday, November 26, 2016 at 12:22:58 PM UTC-6, RJM wrote:
>
> MTB single track and some double. Not terribly technical, but steep climbs 
> are the norm.  I've started doing a bunch of gravel riding too and have 
> been shying away from riding in traffic. Too many incidents and a few 
> deaths have me rethinking it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-26 Thread RJM
MTB single track and some double. Not terribly technical, but steep climbs are 
the norm.  I've started doing a bunch of gravel riding too and have been shying 
away from riding in traffic. Too many incidents and a few deaths have me 
rethinking it.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-25 Thread Patrick Moore
My experience exactly. For a while, I tried watching TV shows, but already
crappy shows just got crappier, and so much slower that they were painful
to watch. That said, I have to acknowledge the others who do tolerate and
even thrive on indoor training. If it works, good for you. If I lived in a
place where circumstances made riding unpleasant, I'd probably choose --
reluctantly -- an indoor trainer over, say, going to the gymn and killing
brain cells on a treadmill or stair stepper. That would be hell, and
inconvenient hell because you'd doubtless drive to your place of punishment.

On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 3:59 AM, Michael Hechmer  wrote:

> I use to own an indoor trainer.  I called it my time machine.  I would
> ride it for an hour, look at my watch and discover that only 5 minutes had
> gone bye.
>
> Fresh air, daylight & exercise are all critical for good health -
> physical, mental and spiritual.
>
> Michael
>
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-
>> thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>>
>> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>>
>> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies,
>> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear
>> ride.
>>
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>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-25 Thread Ryan Fleming
I take it  RJM means MTB single and double track

On Friday, November 25, 2016 at 12:15:26 PM UTC-6, Steve Palincsar wrote:
>
> When you say "trail riding" are you referring to riding paved bike 
> trails, or to MTB single or double track? 
>
>
> On 11/25/2016 01:07 PM, RJM wrote: 
> > I spend a decent amount of time on the trainer throughout the year and 
> > actually like following workouts using it, which has helped me greatly 
> > now that I've been doing a bit of cyclocross racing. Which, IMHO, is 
> > the best type of racing and even great for those of us who aren't 
> > competitive and just want to ride our own rides. Huge fun...Uuuge 
> > fun...and not so serious-like. 
> > 
> > When I ride outside on the road I generally am either with a group 
> > or on a charity ride and doing whatever everybody else is doing or 
> > I'm riding the trails at whatever intensity level I feel like, which 
> > is usually pretty slow and leisurely. I vastly prefer trail riding 
> > nowadays. The trainer makes it very easy to knock out effective 
> > workouts to up my fitness which makes trail riding way less 
> > ridiculously exhausting and much more pleasurable. I've never been 
> > much of a gym person, but I can bust out an hour or two on the trainer 
> > at home no problem if I didn't get a chance to ride outside for a 
> > while. Works for me. 
> > 
> > Spin classes are no joke and will get you fitter pretty quick. 
> > 
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-25 Thread Steve Palincsar
When you say "trail riding" are you referring to riding paved bike 
trails, or to MTB single or double track?



On 11/25/2016 01:07 PM, RJM wrote:
I spend a decent amount of time on the trainer throughout the year and 
actually like following workouts using it, which has helped me greatly 
now that I've been doing a bit of cyclocross racing. Which, IMHO, is 
the best type of racing and even great for those of us who aren't 
competitive and just want to ride our own rides. Huge fun...Uuuge 
fun...and not so serious-like.


When I ride outside on the road I generally am either with a group 
or on a charity ride and doing whatever everybody else is doing or 
I'm riding the trails at whatever intensity level I feel like, which 
is usually pretty slow and leisurely. I vastly prefer trail riding 
nowadays. The trainer makes it very easy to knock out effective 
workouts to up my fitness which makes trail riding way less 
ridiculously exhausting and much more pleasurable. I've never been 
much of a gym person, but I can bust out an hour or two on the trainer 
at home no problem if I didn't get a chance to ride outside for a 
while. Works for me.


Spin classes are no joke and will get you fitter pretty quick.



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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-25 Thread RJM
I spend a decent amount of time on the trainer throughout the year and 
actually like following workouts using it, which has helped me greatly now 
that I've been doing a bit of cyclocross racing. Which, IMHO, is the best 
type of racing and even great for those of us who aren't competitive and 
just want to ride our own rides. Huge fun...Uuuge fun...and not so 
serious-like.

When I ride outside on the road I generally am either with a group or on a 
charity ride and doing whatever everybody else is doing or I'm riding the 
trails at whatever intensity level I feel like, which is usually pretty 
slow and leisurely. I vastly prefer trail riding nowadays. The trainer 
makes it very easy to knock out effective workouts to up my fitness which 
makes trail riding way less ridiculously exhausting and much more 
pleasurable. I've never been much of a gym person, but I can bust out an 
hour or two on the trainer at home no problem if I didn't get a chance to 
ride outside for a while. Works for me. 

Spin classes are no joke and will get you fitter pretty quick. 




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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread 'Tim' via RBW Owners Bunch
Ok, I have to admit, I've spent many, many hours on an indoor bike. Last year 
while simultaneously recovering from rotator cuff surgery and training for PBP, 
I had to do a 10 hour indoor ride. It was awful. But I didn't begin my adult 
cycling life until 2001, when I was 40. At the same time as beginning to cycle, 
since I was a guy that was in the gym daily, I got certified to teach Spinning 
classes. As an instructor, you learn to teach people to cycle the "right" way, 
meaning not going at a 120+ rpm, to not go all out every time you take a class, 
to recover properly, etc. But many people don't listen. I've found that 
generally, most people who regularly go to the gym work out too hard. And 
people who take spin classes are some of the worst offenders. And many 
instructors use the class to show off how "badass" they are, thereby working 
people to death every single class. For the past few years I cycle indoors only 
as a last resort but it has its merits. Anything that gets people moving is ok 
by me.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread Steve Palincsar
It's been many years since I was last at a spin class, but they had a 
very mixed programme including sprints at a very high RPM, "hill 
climbing" with very high resistance, a lot of out-of-the-saddle work and 
one-legged drills.  It was a very intense workout, and many of the 
skills transferred to the road, as did the enhanced level of aerobic 
fitness.



On 11/24/2016 09:20 AM, George Schick wrote:
Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these 
people who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they spinning at 
outrageous RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the 
get out on the road on an actual bike, into stiff headwinds and 
variable climatic conditions the bottom falls out of their 
performance?  Or are they over the top when they transfer to the 
outdoors so they can knock your socks off?  Just curious.


On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:


https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/




Courtesy of you-know-who.

Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"

Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray
skies, and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just
Ride fixed gear ride.




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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread George Schick
Speaking of indoor cycling, has anyone ever run into one of these people 
who go for these "spinning" classes?  IOW, are they spinning at outrageous 
RPM's with very low "gears" (resistance) so that when the get out on the 
road on an actual bike, into stiff headwinds and variable climatic 
conditions the bottom falls out of their performance?  Or are they over the 
top when they transfer to the outdoors so they can knock your socks off? 
 Just curious.

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 5:31:07 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>
> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>
> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>
> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
> ride.
>
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> **
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> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread Steve Palincsar

I am definitely beginning to...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6QEDb3xzdec


On 11/24/2016 05:38 AM, Garth wrote:


Maybe if you would cease yours you would understand .

Ahahahahahahaahahahahaha!


On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:46:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore 
wrote:


Time for your meds, Garth.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Garth > wrote:


Riding is riding.

Why is why.

The two can't be mixed.



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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread islaysteve
Michael, I agree with you 100% about the trainer vs the outdoors. But.  There 
are and will be times, even here in temperate Maryland, that I just will not 
get out there on the bike.  Maybe not even outfor a walk.  So for about 10 min 
of my time, I can get some beneficial exercise, then get on to other things.  
To that end, I've tried to configure my dedicated trainer bike, and the space 
it's in, to be as comfortable as possible.  YMMV, of course.  Happy 
Thanksgiving, Steve

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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread Max S
Funniest thing I read all week. Thanks Michael! 

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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread Michael Hechmer
I use to own an indoor trainer.  I called it my time machine.  I would ride 
it for an hour, look at my watch and discover that only 5 minutes had gone 
bye.

Fresh air, daylight & exercise are all critical for good health - physical, 
mental and spiritual.  

Michael

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>
> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>
> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>
> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
> ride.
>
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> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-24 Thread Garth

Maybe if you would cease yours you would understand .

Ahahahahahahaahahahahaha!


On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:46:46 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> Time for your meds, Garth.
>
> On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Garth > 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Riding is riding.   
>>
>> Why is why. 
>>
>> The two can't be mixed. 
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> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-23 Thread Rod Holland
Oddly enough, it gets worse:

http://bikebus.com

"Experience Indoor Cycling On The Open Road". 'nuff said...

rod

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 11:24:08 PM UTC-5, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> sigh. we're doomed...
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>>
>> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>>
>> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
>> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
>> ride.
>>
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>> *
>> ***
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-23 Thread Patrick Moore
Time for your meds, Garth.

On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 6:15 AM, Garth  wrote:

>
> Riding is riding.
>
> Why is why.
>
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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-23 Thread ascpgh
Not these riders:http://bikecult.com/works/rollers06INFO.html

Andy Cheatham
Pittsburgh

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 12:09:38 AM UTC-5, dougP wrote:
>
> "...caters to indoor cyclists"  There's an oxymoron if ever I heard 
> one!  
>
> dougP
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 3:31:07 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>>
>> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>>
>> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
>> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
>> ride.
>>
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>> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
>> *
>> ***
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-23 Thread Garth

Riding is riding.   

Why is why. 

The two can't be mixed. 

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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-23 Thread 'Stephen Kemp' via RBW Owners Bunch
Not quite, Eric. We're doomed when they combine this with e-bikes!

On Wednesday, November 23, 2016 at 4:24:08 AM UTC, Eric Karnes wrote:
>
> sigh. we're doomed...
>
> On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>>
>>
>> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>>
>> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>>
>> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>>
>> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
>> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
>> ride.
>>
>> -- 
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>> *
>> ***
>> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
>> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
>> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>>
>> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
>> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>>
>> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>>
>> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-22 Thread dougP
"...caters to indoor cyclists"  There's an oxymoron if ever I heard 
one!  

dougP

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 3:31:07 PM UTC-8, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>
> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>
> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>
> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
> ride.
>
> -- 
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> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> **
> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just ride!

2016-11-22 Thread Eric Karnes
sigh. we're doomed...

On Tuesday, November 22, 2016 at 6:31:07 PM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
>
> https://techcrunch.com/2016/11/16/zwift-a-multiplayer-game-thats-making-indoor-athletics-more-social-just-raised-27-million/
>
> Courtesy of you-know-who.
>
> Let's change that. Let's call it, "Why ride?"
>
> Patrick Moore, who Just Rode this afternoon despite wind and gray skies, 
> and turned a 8 mile rt PO trip into a hilly 17.6 mile Just Ride fixed gear 
> ride.
>
> -- 
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> Patrick Moore
> Alburquerque, Nouvelle Mexique,  Vereinigte Staaten
> **
> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a 
> circumference on the contours of which all conditions, distinctions, and 
> individualities revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the 
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just ride!!

2016-01-26 Thread Patrick Moore
One more, why not?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Lu--vH7eXo


On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 9:09 PM, Patrick Moore  wrote:

> 1. NSFW, if W is very picky.
>
> 2. Sorry, Leah.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LJAsUHsmJAo
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7m5gAeszLoY
>
>
>
> [Freddie told me yesterday that he saw you put a saddlebag on your road
> bike ... what the *** is that?]
>
> https://youtu.be/Z9j6f5eTkFU?t=214
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> **
> **
> *The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
> circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities
> revolve. *Chuang Tzu
>
> *Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
> world revolves.) *Carthusian motto
>
> *It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart
>
> *Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle
>
>
>


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**
*The point which is the pivot of the norm is the motionless center of a
circumference on which all conditions, distinctions, and individualities
revolve. *Chuang Tzu

*Stat crux dum volvitur orbis.* *(The cross stands motionless while the
world revolves.) *Carthusian motto

*It is *we *who change; *He* remains the same.* Eckhart

*Kinei hos eromenon.* (*It moves [all things] as the beloved.) *Aristotle

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride Poster Surprise

2014-09-18 Thread Matthew J
Good friend.  Nice you are sharing with your class.

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:26:37 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> After Grant's reading in Reno a couple of weeks ago apparently he signed a 
> few of the Just Ride posters.  I had a nice surprise when my friend Casey, 
> working as a bike courier, showed up to deliver my signed copy.   It is now 
> proudly displayed on the window of my classroom for my students.  Pretty 
> cool!
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/09/just-ridesuper-sized.html
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
> Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian 
> Advisory Committee 
> 
>
> 

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride Poster Surprise

2014-09-18 Thread Ron Mc
very cool

On Thursday, September 18, 2014 12:26:37 PM UTC-5, Addison wrote:
>
> After Grant's reading in Reno a couple of weeks ago apparently he signed a 
> few of the Just Ride posters.  I had a nice surprise when my friend Casey, 
> working as a bike courier, showed up to deliver my signed copy.   It is now 
> proudly displayed on the window of my classroom for my students.  Pretty 
> cool!
>
> http://reno-rambler.blogspot.com/2014/09/just-ridesuper-sized.html
>
>
> Addison Wilhite, M.A. 
>
> Academy of Arts, Careers and Technology 
>  
>
> *“Blazing the Trail to College and Career Success”*
>
> Educator: Professional Portfolio 
>
> Blogger: Reno Rambler  
>
> Bicycle Advocate: Regional Transportation Commission, Bicycle Pedestrian 
> Advisory Committee 
> 
>
> 

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride More (or maybe less)

2014-08-27 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Great reminder Michael.  Thank you.

The past couple months have been crazy busy - right in the middle of prime 
riding/mileage season... Been booking gigs, started teaching a class on 
audio engineering for voice actors, complex family stuff.  It's all been 
good, but I realized a few weeks back that I was only getting out once a 
week.  

And you get right to the conclusion that some of the issue was the need to 
go for a Ride.  That hesitation where you look at the clock and think - 
"I'll never have time to do that loop and get back for the (fill in the 
blank)."

Luckily a couple weeks ago, I just started going - the goal to spin tires 
every day, regardless of how long and what other demands existed. 

Funny thing.  Everything got easier again.  Like you, I'm sleeping better. 
 That weird kink under my shoulder blade has disappeared, and I'm closer to 
being the kind of person my dogs think I am.

Riding.  Yep.

- Jim / cyclofiend.com

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride More (or maybe less)

2014-08-25 Thread Bill Lindsay
I agree, Michael, that my frame of mind is tons better after a ride.  I 
always have the best intentions to ride the ~35 hilly miles into the office 
once per week, but this summer I've done a crap job of it.  I did manage to 
do it last Friday and it put me in a great mood.  Looking for a similar 
bump, I went to the gym at lunch today.  I'm glad I went and all, but going 
for a ride is a hundred times better.  

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 5:25:08 AM UTC-7, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> As I wrote the subject line of this post it occurred to me that this list 
> includes folks who are into rondenee riding and certainly don't need to be 
> encouraged to ride more, and may even be happier riding less, but this is a 
> post about riding more... often.
>
> Here in Vt. we have just emerged from an extensive period of cool, rainy, 
> funky weather (sorry to have to share that with Ca., & you in the SW) and I 
> haven't been riding much. (Also volunteered to refinish 2000 sq ft of 
> hardwood floors in the church and that has kept me pretty busy, and sore.) 
> But yesterday Pat and I drove to S.Alburgh (in the middle of Lake 
> Champlain) and circumnavigated IsleLaMotte twice, once in each direction. 
>  The weather was gorgeous, sunny, calm and in the high 70's.  The ride was 
> just 28miles of quiet roads..  We stopped once at a beach and again for a 
> roast beef panini.  On the way home we got an apple cider slushy.
>
> I slept well last night and woke up in the best frame of mind I have 
> experienced in quite awhile. I feel better and life is better when I ride 
> my bike.
>
> Michael
> You are the universe becoming aware of itself.
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride More (or maybe less)

2014-08-24 Thread Ron Mc
sunny, calm and high in the mid-70s is a winter day here (seriously). 
 While we're breaking into the hundred-naughties these days, the humidity 
has hit the basement, so morning rides are quite nice.  I try to get 50-ish 
miles in two rides every weekend.  Rode with my buddy yesterday and heading 
out again this morning after my breakfast taco.  

On Sunday, August 24, 2014 7:25:08 AM UTC-5, Michael Hechmer wrote:
>
> As I wrote the subject line of this post it occurred to me that this list 
> includes folks who are into rondenee riding and certainly don't need to be 
> encouraged to ride more, and may even be happier riding less, but this is a 
> post about riding more... often.
>
> Here in Vt. we have just emerged from an extensive period of cool, rainy, 
> funky weather (sorry to have to share that with Ca., & you in the SW) and I 
> haven't been riding much. (Also volunteered to refinish 2000 sq ft of 
> hardwood floors in the church and that has kept me pretty busy, and sore.) 
> But yesterday Pat and I drove to S.Alburgh (in the middle of Lake 
> Champlain) and circumnavigated IsleLaMotte twice, once in each direction. 
>  The weather was gorgeous, sunny, calm and in the high 70's.  The ride was 
> just 28miles of quiet roads..  We stopped once at a beach and again for a 
> roast beef panini.  On the way home we got an apple cider slushy.
>
> I slept well last night and woke up in the best frame of mind I have 
> experienced in quite awhile. I feel better and life is better when I ride 
> my bike.
>
> Michael
> You are the universe becoming aware of itself.
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride - Kindle Version - One Sale

2014-05-11 Thread Cyclofiend Jim
Thanks for the reminder - I've been wanting to have a digital version on 
hand so I can share passages with folks a bit more easily!

- Jim

On Friday, May 9, 2014 3:32:25 PM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> FYI, this was on the blug, but if you haven't seen it, the Kindle version 
> of Just Ride is on sale: 
> http://www.amazon.com/Just-Ride-Radically-Practical-Riding/dp/0761155589
>
> Pretty good investment of $2.51!
>
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride - Kindle Version - One Sale

2014-05-09 Thread cyclotourist
One sale to rule them all!

Cheers,
David

"it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal





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> Wow!  I bought a hard copy when it first came out but for that price I
> just bought the Kindle version for convenience and to support Grant.
>  Thanks for the link!
>
>
>
> On Friday, May 9, 2014 5:32:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> FYI, this was on the blug, but if you haven't seen it, the Kindle version
>> of Just Ride is on sale: http://www.amazon.com/
>> Just-Ride-Radically-Practical-Riding/dp/0761155589
>>
>> Pretty good investment of $2.51!
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>> David
>>
>> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>>
>>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride - Kindle Version - One Sale

2014-05-09 Thread 'Chris Lampe 2' via RBW Owners Bunch
Wow!  I bought a hard copy when it first came out but for that price I just 
bought the Kindle version for convenience and to support Grant.  Thanks for 
the link!



On Friday, May 9, 2014 5:32:25 PM UTC-5, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> FYI, this was on the blug, but if you haven't seen it, the Kindle version 
> of Just Ride is on sale: 
> http://www.amazon.com/Just-Ride-Radically-Practical-Riding/dp/0761155589
>
> Pretty good investment of $2.51!
>
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> "it isn't a contest. Just enjoy the ride." - Seth Vidal
>
>
>
>  

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride can change lives

2014-01-07 Thread Kellie Stapleton
I too return again, and again to *Just Ride*. I have shared parts with 
friends who fret they're not wearing the right shoes, clothes, or possess 
the "right" equipment. It's helped me mellow out on keeping track of miles, 
focus on the beauty of the ride instead of pace, and embrace beausage as my 
one year old HIllborne starts to show it's wear. I've changed to flat 
pedals from cleats and though I took home my Hillborne with a moustache 
bar, today I'm off to RBW to get everything to connvert to an Albatross bar 
(anyone in need of a Moustache bar?). I'm hoping I can get out of there 
without buying a Cheriot!

On Monday, January 6, 2014 1:59:14 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends, or 'kia ora' as people say here in Aotearoa/New Zealand!  I 
> gave my kiwi nephew James a copy of Just Ride for Christmas and it appears 
> to be changing his life.  He's read half the book and already is saying 
> that he bought the wrong bike (a racer) and would like a commuter.  But 
> then — he went on to say that a new word from Just Ride is changing his 
> life:  beausage.  James's dad, a lovely lovely man, always wants things to 
> forever be in perfect condition.  As a result, things that should don't get 
> used.  James has learned this behavior/thinking pattern, and the word 
> beausage is opening his mind and heart to seeing the beauty of things that 
> have been used.  He's looking at everything in his home differently and 
> much happier for it.  Funny how this simple idea with a coined word 
> attached to it can be healing.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride can change lives

2014-01-06 Thread hsmitham
Liesl,

Hmm...you bring up such an interesting topic. Like your Nephew I have 
acquired a keep it pristine from my Mother God love her, but I have had 
that same Ah Ha moment and yes it is liberating. Here's to you helping your 
Nephew James see the world and it's transitory elements differently.

Now what the heck happened to that darn Riv National Rally?

~Hugh

On Monday, January 6, 2014 1:59:14 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends, or 'kia ora' as people say here in Aotearoa/New Zealand!  I 
> gave my kiwi nephew James a copy of Just Ride for Christmas and it appears 
> to be changing his life.  He's read half the book and already is saying 
> that he bought the wrong bike (a racer) and would like a commuter.  But 
> then — he went on to say that a new word from Just Ride is changing his 
> life:  beausage.  James's dad, a lovely lovely man, always wants things to 
> forever be in perfect condition.  As a result, things that should don't get 
> used.  James has learned this behavior/thinking pattern, and the word 
> beausage is opening his mind and heart to seeing the beauty of things that 
> have been used.  He's looking at everything in his home differently and 
> much happier for it.  Funny how this simple idea with a coined word 
> attached to it can be healing.
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride can change lives

2014-01-06 Thread Tom Virgil
I like this story, Liesl.  Love to hear the effect "beausage" is having on 
James.  I read this and that part of *Just Ride* from time to time.  I 
cannot say that I had a transformational or "Ah Ha" moment in any one 
instance, but, I am augmenting my riding in many ways because of it.  I 
keep returning to the book.  I take many more short rides around the 'hood 
in street clothes and shoes without waiting to suit up for a "training 
ride" of some distance.  I don't wait for perfect weather.  Once in a 
while, when returning from work late, I ride the bike up and down the 
street just for the fun of it.  You can stand anything as long as it will 
end soon and Southern California is always relatively mild.

Beausage reminds me of "patina" and quality silverware.  Patina means you 
are using (and enjoying) the silverware.  So it is with our bikes.

Best regards and thank you for this.

Tom

On Monday, January 6, 2014 1:59:14 AM UTC-8, Liesl wrote:
>
> Hi friends, or 'kia ora' as people say here in Aotearoa/New Zealand!  I 
> gave my kiwi nephew James a copy of Just Ride for Christmas and it appears 
> to be changing his life.  He's read half the book and already is saying 
> that he bought the wrong bike (a racer) and would like a commuter.  But 
> then — he went on to say that a new word from Just Ride is changing his 
> life:  beausage.  James's dad, a lovely lovely man, always wants things to 
> forever be in perfect condition.  As a result, things that should don't get 
> used.  James has learned this behavior/thinking pattern, and the word 
> beausage is opening his mind and heart to seeing the beauty of things that 
> have been used.  He's looking at everything in his home differently and 
> much happier for it.  Funny how this simple idea with a coined word 
> attached to it can be healing.
>
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: just ride sighting

2013-06-08 Thread cyclotourist
Awesome!

Cheers,
David



On Sat, Jun 8, 2013 at 9:28 PM, Aaron Young <1ce...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hah!  I think Riv might be a new house staging trend.  Check this out:
>
>
> http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1518-W-13th-St-The-Dalles-OR-97058/86346788_zpid/#hdp-photo-lightbox
>
> -Aaron
> Vancouver, WA
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:
>
>> Liesl,
>>  I would love to meet up - but I don't live in Madison. My Little brother
>> lives up there and me and the SO have talked about moving up there. We like
>> the feel and the bike-ness of it. Not sure we can leave Durham, NC, though.
>> It's a good problem to have, to love too many places. :)
>>
>> And onto the subject - yes - I would love to be in a swank jenifer st
>> retreat, too.
>>
>> I can picture a nice day:
>> Get up, paddle across the lake and back
>> Bike down to new glarus brewery
>> bike home
>> fall asleep watching the sun go down.
>>
>> 
>>
>>  -sv
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Liesl  wrote:
>>
>>> Good eye!  I used to live in Madison—well, actually I grew up there— and
>>> come back for a visit on occasion.  When I do, I'll give you a holler,
>>> Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!
>>>
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Re: [RBW] Re: just ride sighting

2013-06-08 Thread Aaron Young
Hah!  I think Riv might be a new house staging trend.  Check this out:

http://www.zillow.com/homedetails/1518-W-13th-St-The-Dalles-OR-97058/86346788_zpid/#hdp-photo-lightbox

-Aaron
Vancouver, WA


On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 11:50 AM, Seth Vidal  wrote:

> Liesl,
>  I would love to meet up - but I don't live in Madison. My Little brother
> lives up there and me and the SO have talked about moving up there. We like
> the feel and the bike-ness of it. Not sure we can leave Durham, NC, though.
> It's a good problem to have, to love too many places. :)
>
> And onto the subject - yes - I would love to be in a swank jenifer st
> retreat, too.
>
> I can picture a nice day:
> Get up, paddle across the lake and back
> Bike down to new glarus brewery
> bike home
> fall asleep watching the sun go down.
>
> 
>
>  -sv
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 6, 2013 at 2:26 PM, Liesl  wrote:
>
>> Good eye!  I used to live in Madison—well, actually I grew up there— and
>> come back for a visit on occasion.  When I do, I'll give you a holler,
>> Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!
>>
>> Liesl
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Re: [RBW] Re: just ride sighting

2013-06-06 Thread Seth Vidal
Liesl,
 I would love to meet up - but I don't live in Madison. My Little brother
lives up there and me and the SO have talked about moving up there. We like
the feel and the bike-ness of it. Not sure we can leave Durham, NC, though.
It's a good problem to have, to love too many places. :)

And onto the subject - yes - I would love to be in a swank jenifer st
retreat, too.

I can picture a nice day:
Get up, paddle across the lake and back
Bike down to new glarus brewery
bike home
fall asleep watching the sun go down.



-sv



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> Good eye!  I used to live in Madison—well, actually I grew up there— and
> come back for a visit on occasion.  When I do, I'll give you a holler,
> Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!
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[RBW] Re: just ride sighting

2013-06-06 Thread Liesl
Good eye!  I used to live in Madison—well, actually I grew up there— and 
come back for a visit on occasion.  When I do, I'll give you a holler, 
Seth.  Hopefully you'll be in your swank Jenifer Street Lake Monona retreat!

Liesl

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride (g-dammit!).

2013-05-18 Thread Deacon Patrick
Well said, Patrick. That is precisely why I decided that tempting as it is 
to want to play with, a fixie would never be anything but a novelty toy 
here in the mountains. I must say though, playing with the idea of a fixed 
gear taught me each gear has a much wider range (on the low end in 
particular) than I'd previously utilized and I subsequently shift much 
less. ALways good to play! Grin.

With abandon,
Patrick

On Thursday, May 16, 2013 7:52:40 PM UTC-6, Patrick Moore wrote:
>
> The general theme of "Just Ride" being riding without complication, 
> daunting goals, and excessive complication, I have found a niche way to 
> implement that principle: riding with multiple gears.
>
> I was tired this morning and debated briefly whether to take the car to 
> Stevie's, but decided to ride since I have the Ram which has a 35" low gear 
> -- 30/23), and because the outbound trip has a net elevation loss of 
> several hundred feet. I was tired all day and, this evening at 6 pm, found 
> myself faced with a ride just shy of 8 miles with the temp closing on 90, a 
> brisk breeze quartering against me, and the elevation to be regained that I 
> had coasted down this morning.
>
> But, no sweat! Multiple gears! Wonderful things! I got on the Ram and 
> headed south for 1.5 mile against the wind, no sweat, keeping it in the 
> 70". Turned westward onto Coronado and the gradual climb toward the Mesa -- 
> again, no sweat, dropped to the 66" and twiddled away. Crossed Loma Larga 
> where the grade turns gradually upward -- no sweat; I've got 60" and 50" in 
> the big ring. After 1/2 mile, Coronado meets the Mesa and turns viciously 
> steep. No sweat! Dropped seriatim to the 60" and, bypassing the 44/23 = 
> 50", chickened out to the 30t inner and, again seriatim, into the 45", the 
> 41", and even the shameful 30X23 or 35". I twiddled seated up the steepest 
> parts -- none longer than 1/4 mile -- seated, easy, comfortable -- except 
> for the steepest 1/8 mile where I stood because it was more comfortable. I 
> regularly clear these slopes on Riv #3 (70" fixed) and even #2 (75" fixed), 
> not to mention the lethargic Fargo (38/32 = 34"), but, tired as I was 
> today, it was hugely comforting to know that I could master these minor 
> obstacles without straining. 
>
> And the bar: 42 cm Noodle, just shy of 1" below saddle. The great virtue 
> of the Noodle, for me, is the deepish drop (140 mm) that allows you to have 
> a (relatively) high flat and (relatively) stretched hoods, with nice, flat 
> ramps, over a (relatively) low hook. I rode the flats and the ramps 
> comfortably on the gradual inclines, and was glad of the stretched out 
> hoods against the wind and when the road turned upward. I stood only for 
> 1/8 mile or so on the steepest section in the 35", not from necessity but 
> for comfort.
>
> I averaged 11.66 mph clock running including a stop at the PO to get my 
> mother's mail from her box -- including triaging some of the junk because I 
> hadn't room for it all.
>
> Altogether, a good ride, despite initial tiredness exacerbated by the g-d 
> flat. A very brief ride that, on a fixie, would have made me regret riding. 
> But with a 35" low and a bar with flat just 1" below saddle, No Sweat!
>
> Patrick Moore, excreting more words per mile than anyone else in ABQ, NM
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-30 Thread clyde canter
I remember Turbos.  I thought they were the best saddles ever.  However
when handlebar height equals or exceeds saddle height they become quite
uncomfortable. For me at least. I can't convince my lower back to bend over
that far for any length of time anymore. Never owned a Flite.  My humble
opinions, worth perhaps 40 % of a nickel.



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> I find that the original Flites are the most comfortable - they disappear.
> Even better than original issue Turbos, which are a bit too rounded. Of all
> the Brookses, the Pro was the best, but I could not comfortably adjust the
> tilt, so after 12-18 months I sold it. B17s are too wide.
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Michael  wrote:
>
>> I love the B17/Flyer saddles.
>>> That smooth leather is painless on my rump compared to plasticy saddles
>>> which seem to gouge every seem on my clothes into my flesh.
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-30 Thread Michael

>
> RE the helmet ruse:
> When I ride, helmeted or not, I am also very concerned about not breaking 
> my arm, leg, collar bone, etc. So I always try to be careful.
>  
>
Actually, wide tires make me take chances. 
I do act riskier on my wide tired bikes because I feel confident they can 
ride over road cracks better than my 25mm tired bike.
Sometimes I ride over stuff instead of avoiding it, which is risky, because 
I feel confident the tires can handle it - and they do so far.
 
 

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-29 Thread PATRICK MOORE
I find that the original Flites are the most comfortable - they disappear.
Even better than original issue Turbos, which are a bit too rounded. Of all
the Brookses, the Pro was the best, but I could not comfortably adjust the
tilt, so after 12-18 months I sold it. B17s are too wide.

On Mon, Apr 29, 2013 at 4:42 PM, Michael  wrote:

> I love the B17/Flyer saddles.
>> That smooth leather is painless on my rump compared to plasticy saddles
>> which seem to gouge every seem on my clothes into my flesh.
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-29 Thread Michael

>
> I loved the book. It is a great resource to have for cyclists.
>  
> I wish Riv would make a "Just wrench" book next. I like Grant's down to 
> earth mechanics approach.
>  
> I took the part of the book dedicated to fitness and diet with a grain of 
> salt though.
>  
>
There are so many diet/exercise philosophies and studies out there in the 
world that one cannot tell what works at all, or for one's self.
My philosophy on dieting and exercise ideas is this:
"If they woulda found something that worked by now, everyone on the planet 
would be skinny."

>  
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-29 Thread Michael

>
> I love the B17/Flyer saddles.
> That smooth leather is painless on my rump compared to plasticy saddles 
> which seem to gouge every seem on my clothes into my flesh.
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride!

2013-04-29 Thread Matthew J
I quite agree with about 2/3 of of the prescriptions and was surprised to 
learn that G likes Brooks saddles more for looks and loops than for comfort 
superior to that of plastic saddles.
 
Certainly the loops are a great feature.  Plastic saddles, cheap, expensive 
or in between are torture devices for me.  Looking forward to trying the 
new Brooks Cambium when they come out this year.

 

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride Beausage

2012-09-26 Thread dougP
My copy has been circulating around the last couple of months.  It'll
be interesting to see what beausage it's picked up when it finally
returns.

On the issue of bike food, I'm partial to coffee & bear claws, and
leery of things I can't pronounce.

dougP

On Sep 25, 9:54 pm, lungimsam  wrote:
> Some relicing of the book. Some shots just for fun.
> I have *really* enjoyed this book, and have re-read alotta parts. I have
> learned alot. I hope Grant will write another book on bikes soon. I really
> like his down to earth approach to things. Seems like most bike literature
> out there is geared for racers and not ordinary people.
> So it is nice to have a practical cycling book I can understand and
> realistically put into practice.
>
> It is nice to have cycling info that doesn't make me twitch funny and get
> all anxious about will I bonk because my neutrons are not hydrated enough
> because I broke down my tribenzene rings the Thursday before a ride by
> drinking a glass of municipal tap water before bed, and I didn't give a
> thought to the buproplazine compound precipitants that will counteract the
> electrolytes I will be lacing my sports drink with for the century race.
> You know what I mean. Lotsa literature is way too technical for this
> recreational rider/commuter.
>
>  flip.JPG
> 101KViewDownload
>
>  nutra.JPG
> 84KViewDownload
>
>  back.JPG
> 111KViewDownload
>
>  chapter 67.JPG
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[RBW] Re: Just ride?

2012-06-30 Thread RJM
Anything to improve performance!
 
 

On Saturday, June 30, 2012 10:00:02 AM UTC-5, Patrick Moore wrote:

> Just ride? Naw! A new paradigm: "Just spend"! Looking thru a new Co 
> Cycl flyer recently received I had to let out a belly laugh when I saw 
> the prices for the new electric Super Record 11 kit on page 12 -- 
> prices that beat satire into the ground. 
>
> RD: $925 
> FD: $850. 
>
> Not to mention: Cable set: $165, Power Unit $580, PU Interface $215. 
> And a FD "Stiffener" for $110. 
>
> Who needs satire? 
>
> Patrick "gonna get me a $400 helmet, too" Moore 
>
> -- 
> "Push back against the age as hard as it pushes against you." 
>
> Flannery O'Connor 
>
> - 
> Patrick Moore, Albuquerque, NM, USA 
> For professional resumes, contact Patrick Moore, ACRW 
> http://resumespecialties.com/index.html 
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[RBW] Re: "Just Ride" San Francisco Book Events June 10 and June 13

2012-06-08 Thread John Bennett
Don't know about the Warming Hut at Crissy Field, but for Books, Inc.
on Wednesday night: bring a u-lock, find a parking meter.

John

On Jun 7, 4:29 pm, Aaron  wrote:
> Anyone know what the bike parking will be like at these two locations?
>
> Aaron W
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:44:37 AM UTC-7, John Bennett wrote:
>
> > There are two events coming up for Grant's new book, "Just Ride."
>
> > The first happens this coming Sunday afternoon, June 10th, @ 1PM at
> > Crissy Field.
>
> > Details at this link:
>
> >http://www.parksconservancy.org/events/retail/meet-the-author-grant.html
>
> > The second occurs next Wednesday night, June 13th, at Books, Inc. on
> > Chestnut Street in the Marina.
>
> > The link for that one is here:
>
> >http://www.booksinc.net/event/grant-peterson-books-inc-marina
>
> > There will be an informal ride after Wednesday evening's event.
> > (Mostly just tooling around the Marina, and maybe over to the
> > Presidio.)
>
> > Hope to see you thereor there...or both.
>
> > Cheers,
>
> > John
>
> > RBW HQ,
> > WC, Calif.

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[RBW] Re: "Just Ride" San Francisco Book Events June 10 and June 13

2012-06-08 Thread Aaron
Anyone know what the bike parking will be like at these two locations?  

Aaron W

On Thursday, June 7, 2012 11:44:37 AM UTC-7, John Bennett wrote:
>
> There are two events coming up for Grant's new book, "Just Ride." 
>
> The first happens this coming Sunday afternoon, June 10th, @ 1PM at 
> Crissy Field. 
>
> Details at this link: 
>
> http://www.parksconservancy.org/events/retail/meet-the-author-grant.html 
>
> The second occurs next Wednesday night, June 13th, at Books, Inc. on 
> Chestnut Street in the Marina. 
>
> The link for that one is here: 
>
> http://www.booksinc.net/event/grant-peterson-books-inc-marina 
>
> There will be an informal ride after Wednesday evening's event. 
> (Mostly just tooling around the Marina, and maybe over to the 
> Presidio.) 
>
> Hope to see you thereor there...or both. 
>
> Cheers, 
>
> John 
>
> RBW HQ, 
> WC, Calif. 
>

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-25 Thread Liesl

On May 25, 9:36 am, GeorgeS  wrote:
> The waitress' wear very tight T-shirts emblazoned with
> "I'm Juicy."

The Matt's t-shirts (and it just so happens I'm wearing mine at the
moment, oddly enough) says "Fear the Cheese"

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-25 Thread Peter Morgano
Funny when I was wrestling we called them squat thrusts, they were still a
pain though, haha. But the most exerting exercise I remember was the duck
walk where you obvioulsy squat down and walk like a duck but you have to
hold you ankles while you do it, man everthing burned after a minute or
two, havent been in that good of shape in at least 10 years as my wife is
fond of reminding me :)

On Fri, May 25, 2012 at 1:09 PM, Steve Park  wrote:

> Chapter 34 burpee reverse-ladder kicked my butt.
>
> Amazing how a new exercise can make you feel out of shape all over again.
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-25 Thread Steve Park
Chapter 34 burpee reverse-ladder kicked my butt.

Amazing how a new exercise can make you feel out of shape all over again.

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-25 Thread GeorgeS
There is a Juicy Lucy's in New Orleans.  On Carrollton Avenue near
Canal.  Great burgers with stuffed meat.  My preference is cheese and
jalapaneo.  The waitress' wear very tight T-shirts emblazoned with
"I'm Juicy."
GeorgS

On May 25, 3:09 am, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> This place was famous for having been built on the third base position of a
> demolished ballpark?
> "Juicy Lucy" sounds about right, though. I took a picture of the burger,
> but it was too pornographic to post anywhere. I do think it was in
> Minneapolis, not St. Paul, and we did go there with a native guide.
> I do have a non-offensive picture of Mickey's Dining Car to share, 
> though:http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/3639639989/
>
>  Philip
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:07:54 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> > On May 24, 12:13 am, Philip Williamson 
> > wrote:
> > > I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon
> > in a
> > > funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, "Yeh,
> > that's
> > > real popular... with the ladies."
>
> > Hmmm.  The original bar famous for stuffed hamburgers in the Twin
> > Cities is Matt's on Cedar Ave in Minneapolis, "Home of the Jucy
> > Lucy".   Could this be the place?  Except a waiter is rare--if ever--
> > mostly it's waitresses.  If it isn't the place, put it on your list
> > 'cause it's the real deal.  Total dive bar with 60's era gold vinyl
> > wall paper and home-made brass-and-wood duck art hanging on the
> > walls.  The cheese is so hot that they refer to it as a "molten core"
> > and it's standard policy for waitresses to ask if you've had one
> > before.  If you haven't, detailed instructions for how to eat it are
> > provided so that you don't burn yourself from the molten lava-cheese.
> > The standard beverage is a Grain Belt Premium–or just "a Premium" but
> > they recently added Blue Moon in some absurd attempt to class the
> > joint up.  Matt's is in my 'hood and responsible for the 10 pounds I
> > added the first year I moved to Minneapolis.
>
> > Riv content:  nope, all my Saluki/Proto communting has not taken off
> > my year of Juicy Lucys.
>
> > Liesl I'll-Have-a-Premium from deep in the heart of South Minneapolis
> On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:07:54 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> > On May 24, 12:13 am, Philip Williamson 
> > wrote:
> > > I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon
> > in a
> > > funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, "Yeh,
> > that's
> > > real popular... with the ladies."
>
> > Hmmm.  The original bar famous for stuffed hamburgers in the Twin
> > Cities is Matt's on Cedar Ave in Minneapolis, "Home of the Jucy
> > Lucy".   Could this be the place?  Except a waiter is rare--if ever--
> > mostly it's waitresses.  If it isn't the place, put it on your list
> > 'cause it's the real deal.  Total dive bar with 60's era gold vinyl
> > wall paper and home-made brass-and-wood duck art hanging on the
> > walls.  The cheese is so hot that they refer to it as a "molten core"
> > and it's standard policy for waitresses to ask if you've had one
> > before.  If you haven't, detailed instructions for how to eat it are
> > provided so that you don't burn yourself from the molten lava-cheese.
> > The standard beverage is a Grain Belt Premium–or just "a Premium" but
> > they recently added Blue Moon in some absurd attempt to class the
> > joint up.  Matt's is in my 'hood and responsible for the 10 pounds I
> > added the first year I moved to Minneapolis.
>
> > Riv content:  nope, all my Saluki/Proto communting has not taken off
> > my year of Juicy Lucys.
>
> > Liesl I'll-Have-a-Premium from deep in the heart of South Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-25 Thread Philip Williamson
This place was famous for having been built on the third base position of a 
demolished ballpark? 
"Juicy Lucy" sounds about right, though. I took a picture of the burger, 
but it was too pornographic to post anywhere. I do think it was in 
Minneapolis, not St. Paul, and we did go there with a native guide. 
I do have a non-offensive picture of Mickey's Dining Car to share, though: 
http://www.flickr.com/photos/philipwilliamson/3639639989/

 Philip


On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:07:54 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> On May 24, 12:13 am, Philip Williamson  
> wrote: 
> > I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon 
> in a 
> > funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, "Yeh, 
> that's 
> > real popular... with the ladies." 
> > 
>
> Hmmm.  The original bar famous for stuffed hamburgers in the Twin 
> Cities is Matt's on Cedar Ave in Minneapolis, "Home of the Jucy 
> Lucy".   Could this be the place?  Except a waiter is rare--if ever-- 
> mostly it's waitresses.  If it isn't the place, put it on your list 
> 'cause it's the real deal.  Total dive bar with 60's era gold vinyl 
> wall paper and home-made brass-and-wood duck art hanging on the 
> walls.  The cheese is so hot that they refer to it as a "molten core" 
> and it's standard policy for waitresses to ask if you've had one 
> before.  If you haven't, detailed instructions for how to eat it are 
> provided so that you don't burn yourself from the molten lava-cheese. 
> The standard beverage is a Grain Belt Premium–or just "a Premium" but 
> they recently added Blue Moon in some absurd attempt to class the 
> joint up.  Matt's is in my 'hood and responsible for the 10 pounds I 
> added the first year I moved to Minneapolis. 
>
> Riv content:  nope, all my Saluki/Proto communting has not taken off 
> my year of Juicy Lucys. 
>
> Liesl I'll-Have-a-Premium from deep in the heart of South Minneapolis


On Thursday, May 24, 2012 9:07:54 AM UTC-7, Liesl wrote:
>
> On May 24, 12:13 am, Philip Williamson  
> wrote: 
> > I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon 
> in a 
> > funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, "Yeh, 
> that's 
> > real popular... with the ladies." 
> > 
>
> Hmmm.  The original bar famous for stuffed hamburgers in the Twin 
> Cities is Matt's on Cedar Ave in Minneapolis, "Home of the Jucy 
> Lucy".   Could this be the place?  Except a waiter is rare--if ever-- 
> mostly it's waitresses.  If it isn't the place, put it on your list 
> 'cause it's the real deal.  Total dive bar with 60's era gold vinyl 
> wall paper and home-made brass-and-wood duck art hanging on the 
> walls.  The cheese is so hot that they refer to it as a "molten core" 
> and it's standard policy for waitresses to ask if you've had one 
> before.  If you haven't, detailed instructions for how to eat it are 
> provided so that you don't burn yourself from the molten lava-cheese. 
> The standard beverage is a Grain Belt Premium–or just "a Premium" but 
> they recently added Blue Moon in some absurd attempt to class the 
> joint up.  Matt's is in my 'hood and responsible for the 10 pounds I 
> added the first year I moved to Minneapolis. 
>
> Riv content:  nope, all my Saluki/Proto communting has not taken off 
> my year of Juicy Lucys. 
>
> Liesl I'll-Have-a-Premium from deep in the heart of South Minneapolis

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-24 Thread Liesl
On May 24, 12:13 am, Philip Williamson 
wrote:
> I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon in a
> funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, "Yeh, that's
> real popular... with the ladies."
>

Hmmm.  The original bar famous for stuffed hamburgers in the Twin
Cities is Matt's on Cedar Ave in Minneapolis, "Home of the Jucy
Lucy".   Could this be the place?  Except a waiter is rare--if ever--
mostly it's waitresses.  If it isn't the place, put it on your list
'cause it's the real deal.  Total dive bar with 60's era gold vinyl
wall paper and home-made brass-and-wood duck art hanging on the
walls.  The cheese is so hot that they refer to it as a "molten core"
and it's standard policy for waitresses to ask if you've had one
before.  If you haven't, detailed instructions for how to eat it are
provided so that you don't burn yourself from the molten lava-cheese.
The standard beverage is a Grain Belt Premium–or just "a Premium" but
they recently added Blue Moon in some absurd attempt to class the
joint up.  Matt's is in my 'hood and responsible for the 10 pounds I
added the first year I moved to Minneapolis.

Riv content:  nope, all my Saluki/Proto communting has not taken off
my year of Juicy Lucys.

Liesl I'll-Have-a-Premium from deep in the heart of South Minneapolis

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread cyclotourist
All those ladies can't be wrong!

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 10:13 PM, Philip Williamson <
philip.william...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon in
> a funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, "Yeh, that's
> real popular... with the ladies."
>
>  Philip
>
> Philip Williamson
> www.biketinker.com
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I do like Blue Moon...
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:44:58 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>>>
>>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:25:19 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:

 I really hate PBR.

>>>
>>> LOL!!!
>>>
>>> Several friends have been huge Natty Lite fans, I just don't go
>>> there...   Bass, Guinness, Fat Tire, 1554, Dead Guy, milk stouts, oatmeal
>>> porters, etc., those are the ones I like...   (ie, NOT Blue Moon).
>>>
>>> But yeah, I get the PBR has hit hipster stereotype... ack
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Philip Williamson
I went to St. Paul a couple years ago, and my boss ordered a Blue Moon in a 
funky bar famous for its stuffed hamburger. The waiter said, "Yeh, that's 
real popular... with the ladies."

 Philip

Philip Williamson
www.biketinker.com

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:01:47 AM UTC-7, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I do like Blue Moon... 
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:44:58 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:25:19 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I really hate PBR.
>>>
>>
>> LOL!!!
>>
>> Several friends have been huge Natty Lite fans, I just don't go 
>> there...   Bass, Guinness, Fat Tire, 1554, Dead Guy, milk stouts, oatmeal 
>> porters, etc., those are the ones I like...   (ie, NOT Blue Moon).  
>>
>> But yeah, I get the PBR has hit hipster stereotype... ack
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Philip Williamson
"Flagged for removal!!" Dangit.


On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:31:33 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
>
> Anyone on this list?  Probably lugged steel...
>  
>  
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/3032517941.html
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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Bruce Herbitter
You mean my old digs of Far Rockaway will never make the grade?
Some Genny Cream would be good right now (not available in the deep South
where I pedal these days)
On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 4:20 PM, Rick  wrote:

> > I love how all of Brooklyn is lumped in as hipster and cool.
>
> And that no amount of misconception will allow Queens to make that
> leap.
>
>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Rick
> I love how all of Brooklyn is lumped in as hipster and cool.

And that no amount of misconception will allow Queens to make that
leap.

That craigslist post deserves to go viral, it's a good giggle.  Local
(ATL) single speed hipsters have been dramatically de-stabilizing the
local Schwinn market, and that's a fact.

I second the PBR bleh.  I'll happily quaff cold Old Swill and the High
Life, but not that PBR bizness.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Peter Morgano
I love how all of Brooklyn is lumped in as hipster and cool. Hilarious for
those of us who live in the thoroughly uncool areas like Bay Ridge where
Coors Lite rules, that is in south area of Bay Ridge. I live in an all
Muslim area where you cant get beer or wine, or pork products for
that matter but Halal stuff is at a higher standard so it is good stuff if
you like goat, or lamb products. Mmmm, making me hungry.

On Wed, May 23, 2012 at 2:46 PM, cyclotour...@gmail.com <
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> I'm just glad we can still be internet-friends.
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:35:25 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>>
>> Some people do, which is fine; we don't want to all be identical...   I'm
>> just not fond of the citrus-y orange twinge in it.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:01:47 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>> I do like Blue Moon...
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I'm just glad we can still be internet-friends.

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 11:35:25 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> Some people do, which is fine; we don't want to all be identical...   I'm 
> just not fond of the citrus-y orange twinge in it.   
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:01:47 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I do like Blue Moon... 
>>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Leslie
Some people do, which is fine; we don't want to all be identical...   I'm 
just not fond of the citrus-y orange twinge in it.   



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> I do like Blue Moon... 
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I do like Blue Moon... 

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 10:44:58 AM UTC-7, Leslie wrote:
>
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:25:19 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>> I really hate PBR.
>>
>
> LOL!!!
>
> Several friends have been huge Natty Lite fans, I just don't go there...   
> Bass, Guinness, Fat Tire, 1554, Dead Guy, milk stouts, oatmeal porters, 
> etc., those are the ones I like...   (ie, NOT Blue Moon).  
>
> But yeah, I get the PBR has hit hipster stereotype... ack
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Leslie
On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 1:25:19 PM UTC-4, cyclot...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> I really hate PBR.
>

LOL!!!

Several friends have been huge Natty Lite fans, I just don't go there...   
Bass, Guinness, Fat Tire, 1554, Dead Guy, milk stouts, oatmeal porters, 
etc., those are the ones I like...   (ie, NOT Blue Moon).  

But yeah, I get the PBR has hit hipster stereotype... ack


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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I really hate PBR.

On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 9:31:33 AM UTC-7, Fullylugged wrote:
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> Anyone on this list?  Probably lugged steel...
>  
>  
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/3032517941.html
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride it!

2012-05-23 Thread Joe K
Hahaha!  Looks like the poster may have been studying BikeSnob.

Funny.

Joe

On May 23, 12:31 pm, Bruce Herbitter 
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> Anyone on this list?  Probably lugged steel...
>
> http://sfbay.craigslist.org/nby/bik/3032517941.html

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-23 Thread Steven Frederick
Man, that's an effective analogy!  I'm going to use that...

Steve, make mine loafers.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:26 PM, Peter Pesce  wrote:

> Exactly. What if every shoe store in America only sold running shoes and
> hiking boots? And the staff looked at you cross-eyed if you dared  suggest
> you might want to do anything but run or hike. You'd have to dig deep into
> the dark corners of some internet "sub-culture" to buy loafers, or sandals!
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:03:40 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
>>
>> When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand
>> "hybrid" style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self
>> perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But
>> when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something
>> fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't
>> racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way
>> to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing
>> paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The
>> ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I
>> really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek
>> 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I
>> "discovered" and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike,
>> and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent
>> ideas about bikes.
>>
>> Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are
>> probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went
>> that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of
>> other options?
>>
>> On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:
>>>
>>> On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero  wrote:
>>> > Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect
>>> that
>>> > some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun.
>>>
>>> Agreed.  Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it.  And
>>> despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of
>>> racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which
>>> is a good thing.  Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport
>>> and it's not just "lance wannabes" who do it - the vast majority of
>>> people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro
>>> level.  But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and
>>> participate in something.  It's no different than any other physical
>>> endeavor - you can take it as far as you want.
>>>
>>> There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about
>>> as a good of an example as you can get of people of different
>>> abilities challenging themselves in the same "race."  99% of the
>>> people who line up know they will not win the race.  100% are there to
>>> prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing -
>>> just finishing, or setting a personal record (the "PR") will be a big
>>> deal.  it's very similar to randonneuring.  bike racing is the same.
>>> it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them.
>>> whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them.
>>>
>>>
>>>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread EricP
Have had both racing type cyclists and folks I perceive as hardcore runners 
yell at me.   So it's not just bikes.
 
Mentioned this before, but I "discovered" Rivendell the day after I 
purchased a Bianchi Volpe at a local racer shop.  Mainly as a treat to 
myself for some weight loss.  Along with the fact that particular shop was 
one I used to dream about buying from.  Especially when they had a touring 
section in the early to mid 1980's.  
 
Am old enough to remember numerous folks riding mountain bikes as touring 
bikes back in those days.  An obscure magazine called Mountain Bike for the 
Adventure promoted the idea.  A very early version of bikepacking.
 
Eric Platt
St. Paul, MN
 

On Monday, May 21, 2012 3:18:27 PM UTC-5, Rambouilleting Utahn wrote:

>
>
>
> I don't think biking is any different than any other sport in that 
> regards. 
>
> Look around a ski area, the sponsored skiers are usually rather 
> pleasant. The next rung down not so much so. Probably the biggest 
> reason I avoid Snowbird, too many "brobrahs"

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Rambouilleting Utahn


On May 21, 1:55 pm, Patrick in VT  wrote:

> i find that
> it's usually the lower level amateur racers that are the most aggro/
> obnoxious.  there seems to be a real mutual respect for others at the
> higher levels.

I don't think biking is any different than any other sport in that
regards.

Look around a ski area, the sponsored skiers are usually rather
pleasant. The next rung down not so much so. Probably the biggest
reason I avoid Snowbird, too many "brobrahs"

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread PATRICK MOORE
My experience, too. Albuquerque has a very extensive cycling
population among whom are many racers. I've "caught up" to or
otherwise ridden with several of the higher level ones and they have
been uniformly polite; one sponsored man telling me, "hang on, if you
want." (I wanted but realized I couldn't, thereby saving myself much
needed humiliation.) The Masters-level captain of a local team rode
with me two or three times -- we lived in the same neighborhood. (This
was some years go; come to think of it, all of these instances were
~10 years ago which says something of the decline in my speed.) The
assholes have been, at least to first appearance and seeming ability,
neophytes, like the jerk who "drafted" me on the grocery-front-loaded
Herse, of all things (huge porteur bag stuffed with 25 lb) and, when I
expressed my annoyance, passed me on the *right* resulting in some
words from me -- as well as an attempt to draft *him* which succeeded
for a mile or so).

OTOH, I think ABQ has, probably just from the size of the cycling
population, all sorts including a large and lively "hilpster"
population. Just last week I passed two women on what looked to be
very high end Dutch bikes: glossy colors, colored balloon tires, hub
brakes, full fenders and chaincases, lighting: should have slowed to
talk but didn't think about it until half mile ahead.

The bike shops here carry a wide selection of different types; even
the high end racing shop nearby carried Amersterdams and Milanos in
addition to the $4500 carbon fiber 29ers and Cervelos. They do much of
my special ordering: SS stuff, dynamo stuff, 27 mm wide Synergy rims,
ooh'd and aah'd over the trike, built my SnoCat wheels, etc.

On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:55 PM, Patrick in VT  wrote:

>
> completely understandable.  attitude counts.  there's no excuse for
> being a jerk.  i'm fortunate to be in a scene where most of the local
> pro's and competitive riders (and we have our share) are super nice
> and respectful on and off the road.  interestingly enough, i find that
> it's usually the lower level amateur racers that are the most aggro/
> obnoxious.  there seems to be a real mutual respect for others at the
> higher levels.
>

>



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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Patrick in VT
On May 21, 2:00 pm, Peter Morgano  wrote:
>For me it isnt the gear or the marketing that annoys me about "racing  bikes" 
>but the
> riders, sad to say. Here in NYC they ride around in their team kit weaving
> in and out of slower riders and shouting at people who are in their way,
> its really annoying and dangerous too. They are just truly aggravating and
> therefore build an animosity in most of us "unracers."

completely understandable.  attitude counts.  there's no excuse for
being a jerk.  i'm fortunate to be in a scene where most of the local
pro's and competitive riders (and we have our share) are super nice
and respectful on and off the road.  interestingly enough, i find that
it's usually the lower level amateur racers that are the most aggro/
obnoxious.  there seems to be a real mutual respect for others at the
higher levels.

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
I'm 35, so I missed the bargains on touring bikes in the mid 80s. Of course, 
mid 80s MTBs were generally pretty fair touring bikes themselves.

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Brewster Fong

On Monday, May 21, 2012 9:03:40 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote: 
>
> When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand 
> "hybrid" style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self 
> perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But 
> when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something 
> fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't 
> racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way 
> to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing 
> paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The 
> ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I 
> really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek 
> 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I 
> "discovered" and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike, 
> and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent 
> ideas about bikes.
>
Jim, you don't say how old you are, but I'm betting you're quite a bit 
younger than me (I'm in my mid-50s). What you may not realize is that most 
LBS stopped selling or at least reduced their inventory of "touring-style" 
bikes in the early to mid-80s or when mtb starting becoming popular. I 
recall Sheldon Brown saying that it took like 2-3 years to sell off well 
made and reasonable touring style bikes because nobody wanted them. 
 
Basically, in the 90s, everyone wanted either a mtb or racing-style bike. 
The only exception as you noted was Trek with its 520. Riv came along and 
found the niche and offered touring style to fill that void. Of course, 
their first bike, the Riv Standard was more "racy" with short reach brakes 
and clearance for only 28mm tires than their current offering. I guess you 
could say its been evolving. 
 
Then again, I still don't get two top tubes for a 56cm frame, but that 
another issueGood Luck!

>
> Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are 
> probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went 
> that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of 
> other options?
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote: 
>>
>> On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero  wrote: 
>> > Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect 
>> that 
>> > some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun. 
>>
>> Agreed.  Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it.  And 
>> despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of 
>> racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which 
>> is a good thing.  Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport 
>> and it's not just "lance wannabes" who do it - the vast majority of 
>> people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro 
>> level.  But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and 
>> participate in something.  It's no different than any other physical 
>> endeavor - you can take it as far as you want. 
>>
>> There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about 
>> as a good of an example as you can get of people of different 
>> abilities challenging themselves in the same "race."  99% of the 
>> people who line up know they will not win the race.  100% are there to 
>> prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing - 
>> just finishing, or setting a personal record (the "PR") will be a big 
>> deal.  it's very similar to randonneuring.  bike racing is the same. 
>> it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them. 
>> whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Morgano
Peer pressure might be a big part of it but the same can also be said for
the "fixie" or "29er" crazes. I know a few  years ago my LBS was full of
muscle heads who were interested in going down a hill really fast who how
now gone back to the gym or tanning booths where they came from. For me it
isnt the gear or the marketing that annoys me about "racing  bikes" but the
riders, sad to say. Here in NYC they ride around in their team kit weaving
in and out of slower riders and shouting at people who are in their way,
its really annoying and dangerous too. They are just truly aggravating and
therefore build an animosity in most of us "unracers." Had a nice talk with
two girls on their LHTs who were expressing the same concerns the other
day, we have all just had it with their pretend racing dreams and acting
like arrogant jerks out there.  For the record I don't have anything
against actual racing cyclists, my uncle was a competitive rider for 10
years and still does 20 miles before work at 5am at age 50, the only shame
is he is 6'6" so I cant borrow any of his fancy racing rigs or I definitely
would take them out for a spin. I cant deny that the speed of a sub 20 bike
is fun but certainly not comfy or practical for me to actually own.  Long
story short, if you have racing dreams, please feel free to pursue them but
dont shout at the delivery guys who are in your way because you are
"training" and dont tell me my bike is slow, I am the one who is slow,
haha.
On Mon, May 21, 2012 at 1:41 PM, Patrick in VT  wrote:

> On May 21, 12:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>  wrote:
>
> > Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are
> > probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went
> > that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of
> > other options?
>
> I don't think there are any shortcuts to finding the stuff that
> "works" for us, as individuals.  It takes a lot of trial and error and
> a willingness to try new things and think outside of the box before we
> find the stuff that really sings. Lack of options is certainly a
> problem - I suspect that for some of us, most bike shops are mostly
> irrelevant.  But for others just getting into cycling, it's a
> perfectly adequate place to start.  Peer pressure is an issue too, no
> doubt.  But "knowing" that there are other options and learning that
> what works for Joe may not work for Jim only comes with experience and
> at some point we take control of our decisions about what to ride.
>
> it's not a coincidence that many older, experienced riders (racers
> included) have some of the smarter (IMO), more personalized bikes
> around.  same with bike mechanics, who tend to have lots of experience
> with different bikes/components.  there's no real substitute for
> experience, passion and critical thinking - but how many people are
> willing to go that far in their decision making process, especially
> with something that only amounts to a peripheral hobby?  a lot of
> people simply don't care that much and are happy (or content, at
> least) with that big brand hybrid or whatever.  they're certainly not
> debating low-trail, frame flex, tire clearance, etc.
>
>  the fact that you "discovered" an Atlantis says more about you and
> your approach to exploring something you enjoy doing than anything
> else.  most folks on this list probably don't just "scratch the
> surface" of things they really like doing.  that's a unique trait and
> the mass-market is never going favor it - it much prefers hobbyist
> contentment.
>
> Anyway, this subject is interesting to me because i'm going through
> the "learning" process now with running - i look at running shoes in
> an entirely different way now that i'm developing some clear
> preferences from my running experience and I'm finding options that i
> simply never knew about or even considered before.  There are many
> parallels to cycling.
>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Patrick in VT
On May 21, 12:03 pm, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
 wrote:

> Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are
> probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went
> that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of
> other options?

I don't think there are any shortcuts to finding the stuff that
"works" for us, as individuals.  It takes a lot of trial and error and
a willingness to try new things and think outside of the box before we
find the stuff that really sings. Lack of options is certainly a
problem - I suspect that for some of us, most bike shops are mostly
irrelevant.  But for others just getting into cycling, it's a
perfectly adequate place to start.  Peer pressure is an issue too, no
doubt.  But "knowing" that there are other options and learning that
what works for Joe may not work for Jim only comes with experience and
at some point we take control of our decisions about what to ride.

it's not a coincidence that many older, experienced riders (racers
included) have some of the smarter (IMO), more personalized bikes
around.  same with bike mechanics, who tend to have lots of experience
with different bikes/components.  there's no real substitute for
experience, passion and critical thinking - but how many people are
willing to go that far in their decision making process, especially
with something that only amounts to a peripheral hobby?  a lot of
people simply don't care that much and are happy (or content, at
least) with that big brand hybrid or whatever.  they're certainly not
debating low-trail, frame flex, tire clearance, etc.

 the fact that you "discovered" an Atlantis says more about you and
your approach to exploring something you enjoy doing than anything
else.  most folks on this list probably don't just "scratch the
surface" of things they really like doing.  that's a unique trait and
the mass-market is never going favor it - it much prefers hobbyist
contentment.

Anyway, this subject is interesting to me because i'm going through
the "learning" process now with running - i look at running shoes in
an entirely different way now that i'm developing some clear
preferences from my running experience and I'm finding options that i
simply never knew about or even considered before.  There are many
parallels to cycling.

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Peter Pesce
Exactly. What if every shoe store in America only sold running shoes and 
hiking boots? And the staff looked at you cross-eyed if you dared  suggest 
you might want to do anything but run or hike. You'd have to dig deep into 
the dark corners of some internet "sub-culture" to buy loafers, or sandals!

On Monday, May 21, 2012 12:03:40 PM UTC-4, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand 
> "hybrid" style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self 
> perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But 
> when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something 
> fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't 
> racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way 
> to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing 
> paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The 
> ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I 
> really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek 
> 520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I 
> "discovered" and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike, 
> and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent 
> ideas about bikes.
>
> Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are 
> probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went 
> that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of 
> other options?
>
> On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:
>>
>> On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero  wrote: 
>> > Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect 
>> that 
>> > some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun. 
>>
>> Agreed.  Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it.  And 
>> despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of 
>> racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which 
>> is a good thing.  Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport 
>> and it's not just "lance wannabes" who do it - the vast majority of 
>> people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro 
>> level.  But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and 
>> participate in something.  It's no different than any other physical 
>> endeavor - you can take it as far as you want. 
>>
>> There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about 
>> as a good of an example as you can get of people of different 
>> abilities challenging themselves in the same "race."  99% of the 
>> people who line up know they will not win the race.  100% are there to 
>> prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing - 
>> just finishing, or setting a personal record (the "PR") will be a big 
>> deal.  it's very similar to randonneuring.  bike racing is the same. 
>> it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them. 
>> whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them. 
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
When I first started cycling as an adult, I purchased a $430 big-brand 
"hybrid" style bike that was god-awful ugly but served my novice self 
perfectly as a commuter and general transportation/recreation machine. But 
when I decided that I was committed enough to bikes to get something 
fancier/cooler, the big-brand shop didn't have any upgrades that weren't 
racing-style bikes or suspended MTBs. The message was clear: the only way 
to be a serious cyclist was to aspire to the racing image and racing 
paradigms. I knew that probably was not ever going to be my cup of tea. The 
ensuing internet research led me to conclude that a touring bike was what I 
really wanted, but the only one likely to be found locally was the Trek 
520, and none of the local shops I called had one in stock. Eventually, I 
"discovered" and purchased an Atlantis. That was my first truly good bike, 
and even though I no longer own it, it has influenced all my subsequent 
ideas about bikes.

Anyway, I agree that some people who own race bikes and related kit are 
probably stimulated by that aspect of cycling. BUT, how many of them went 
that direction because of peer pressure or because they didn't know of 
other options?

On Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05:41 AM UTC-5, Patrick in VT wrote:
>
> On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero  wrote: 
> > Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect 
> that 
> > some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun. 
>
> Agreed.  Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it.  And 
> despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of 
> racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which 
> is a good thing.  Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport 
> and it's not just "lance wannabes" who do it - the vast majority of 
> people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro 
> level.  But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and 
> participate in something.  It's no different than any other physical 
> endeavor - you can take it as far as you want. 
>
> There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about 
> as a good of an example as you can get of people of different 
> abilities challenging themselves in the same "race."  99% of the 
> people who line up know they will not win the race.  100% are there to 
> prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing - 
> just finishing, or setting a personal record (the "PR") will be a big 
> deal.  it's very similar to randonneuring.  bike racing is the same. 
> it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them. 
> whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them. 
>
>
>
>
>

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-21 Thread Patrick in VT
On May 18, 8:18 am, Pondero  wrote:
> Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect that
> some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun.

Agreed.  Almost every racer I know has a lot of fun doing it.  And
despite certain preferences (some misguided, for sure), a lot of
racers are actually pretty passionate about cycling in general which
is a good thing.  Whether we kike it or not, cycling is still a sport
and it's not just "lance wannabes" who do it - the vast majority of
people will never race anywhere near the elite level, let alone pro
level.  But they do anyway because it's fun to challenge yourself and
participate in something.  It's no different than any other physical
endeavor - you can take it as far as you want.

There's a marathon in Burlington, VT this weekend - the event is about
as a good of an example as you can get of people of different
abilities challenging themselves in the same "race."  99% of the
people who line up know they will not win the race.  100% are there to
prove something to themselves without regard for winning or losing -
just finishing, or setting a personal record (the "PR") will be a big
deal.  it's very similar to randonneuring.  bike racing is the same.
it's all the same - we set goals and take steps to achieve them.
whatever keeps people inspired and motivated, more power to them.




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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-20 Thread lungimsam
I have really enjoyed this book and learned alooot!
I like the way Grant gives good ole' bike knowledge in simple, plain
old English.
Makes learning about, setting up, maintaining, and riding a bike fun
again.

I have been caught up in a whirlwind of modern race bike confusion for
the last three years and just decided this 4th year of riding that I
would ride for fun miles, and not care what my average speed is. I
just ride for fun and commuting and enjoyment and to see the beauty of
God's creation. I also escort my wife to work as she likes to commute,
so there is even more time on the bike for fun. I love it! Bike riding
is fun again!

Later, I found the Rivbike site and read their velosophy on bike
design and riding for fun, I was like "Yes, now this is what I'm
talking about!".

So when I saw the book was coming out, I was glad to buy one. I am
almost done the book now, wish it could go on. I have been
highlighting it all over and look forward to rereading it. Has so much
great info in there. Thanks Grant for the fun and informative read!

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-19 Thread Andy Smitty Schmidt
In the long distance hiking community there's a saying "Hike your own 
hike." It applies equally well to bikes. --Andy

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 11:15:32 PM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Maybe there should be a spoiler alert here - be advised that I will be 
> discussing various aspects of the new book, so navigate away from this page 
> if you prefer the content of the book to be a complete surprise.
>
> I finished reading the book tonight, which if I can summarize in a line, 
> is about all the good things about bikes that appear only when you toss 
> racer prejudices and attitudes out the window and Just Ride. After the 
> first few chapters, I thought that maybe the editors really sanitized GP's 
> historically familiar against-the-grain opinions to be more blandly 
> vanilla, hopefully to be appealing to a broader audience. The general 
> content wasn't unpredictable to me, having read the Readers and Catalogs 
> and most everything else Riv going back to 2004 when I wanted a touring 
> bike and couldn't find any to buy except the Atlantis (that's how I first 
> found Riv in the internet universe). But I was somewhat surprised that 
> there was little to no discernible lug evangelism or quill stem absolutism 
> or singing the praises of friction shifters, and the Retro-Grouchiness was 
> held to a dull roar. 
>
> But as I got further along in the book, I started to think that maybe Mr 
> Petersen has simply mellowed about the trivial details over the years (I 
> know I have!). Or maybe more accurately, there's less to be peeved about in 
> the bike industry now than there was 10 years ago or even 5 years ago. 
> After all, smart, sturdy bikes with ample tire clearance and useful 
> braze-ons and some attention to classic, non-billboard aesthetics have 
> become, dare I say, normal. If racing bikes and gear are the status quo in 
> the world, then I must live in a lucky bubble in South Minneapolis where I 
> ride and fix bikes every day, as I see lots of reincarnated 1980s 
> sport-tourers, old steel MTBs, and new(ish) Surly Cross-checks and LHTs on 
> a daily basis, but feel like I see relatively few "road bikes" being ridden 
> by obvious faux-racers. To the extent that bike trends have steered toward 
> the benefit of the "Unracer" over the past decade or so, my opinion is that 
> Grant and Rivendell played a large part in it. This is not to say that all 
> smart bike designs and product offerings are shameless Riv-ripoffs, but 
> that Grant gave voice to a backlash movement and opened a long-neglected 
> market to a lot of smart, creative people who maybe couldn't or wouldn't 
> have done it without some pioneering coattails to ride on.
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-19 Thread Justin August
Jim-
Thanks! You're one of the folks who steered me and my family towards Riv and 
Surly. I just emailed GP because the Kindle version has his name as "Grant 
Persen" on the title page. Hopefully they fix it and push it out to us nonpaper 
folks.  I wish I could have purchased an electronic version not through Amazon 
though!

-J

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-19 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
Corollary to Justin's excellent point of 'whatever makes you happy is 
nobody else's business', I think Grant is saying 'don't be bullied into 
conformity by popular bike culture, particularly by unrealistic racing 
fantasies'. Sometimes I think Grant likes to humorously needle even 
conformity with the Riv aesthetic, which he does by running non-boutique, 
sometimes even blatantly cheap components, having bikes that are well 
"beausaged" (aka beat up), putting kickstand feet on his bar-end shifters, 
etc. In any case, the point is to do your own thing and be skeptical of 
others' opinions. 

Underlying all this, there is the sense that the bike industry channels us 
into a choice between "serious" sport bikes or geekier, less cool options, 
with little in between. Of course, the bike world has changed a lot in the 
past 5-10 years, and now there are choices in bicycles and gear available 
to suit almost any taste or personality.

On Saturday, May 19, 2012 7:30:46 AM UTC-5, Justin August wrote:
>
> Shouldn't we all just be having fun when we ride?
>
>
> If 23mm tires and carbon is truly, in a zen way, fun for you: do it!
> Mirrors, panniers, bags, steel? Do it.
> 650b fixed gear 70s racer to townie conversion? Do it! (I do!)
>
> Much like underwear, as long as its not chafing others who cares what 
> other people are doing as long as we're all having fun?
>
> -J
>
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-19 Thread Justin August
Shouldn't we all just be having fun when we ride?


If 23mm tires and carbon is truly, in a zen way, fun for you: do it!
Mirrors, panniers, bags, steel? Do it.
650b fixed gear 70s racer to townie conversion? Do it! (I do!)

Much like underwear, as long as its not chafing others who cares what other 
people are doing as long as we're all having fun?

-J

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[RBW] Re: Just Ride on NPR's Morning Edition May 18

2012-05-18 Thread Rick
I don't wear spandex, but I do wear shorts and t-shirt and change at
the office.  The commute is pretty short at 5 miles, if a little
hilly, but the weather gets a little too hot here for me to wear the
suit.  I do, however, use the bike to go from my office to nearby
locations, and do that in my suit.  Fenders make that possible.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-18 Thread Toshi Takeuchi
Buy the Pacer frame and build it up as a 650b. It's a super bike (700c
or 650b)!  I'm sure the Cross Check and Long Haul Trucker are great
bikes as well. I tell my friends to find one of those used on
Craigslist as a great starter bike.

Toshi

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-18 Thread Bruce Herbitter
A local riding buddy has a Riv'd out Surly Pacer and it is a dynamite bike.
Originally done in black it was just powder coated custard at Spectrum and
looks nice. Rides great too.  Maybe he'll post a picture.

Needs lugs though :)

On Thu, May 17, 2012 at 9:52 PM, Aaron Thomas wrote:

> Jim,
>
>
> Others have suggested a Surly LHT. My thought is another: why not one of
> the new Surly Pacers, which are designed for standard reach brakes? It
> could be built up in a racy, weight-conscious way with a smart mix of
> Ritchey or FSA parts and a SRAM Apex or Rival gruppo
>

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-18 Thread cyclotour...@gmail.com
I can't know her (or anyone else's!!!) motivation, desires, intention or 
financial situation, but it just seems that buying a good middle of the 
road do-everything versatile bike for a first "adult" bike is a good idea. 
Try it out in a bunch of different situations; club rides, commuting, CC 
touring, rough-stuff. Then find out what you really like and more 
importantly what you really are using it for. Then buy a bike that's a bit 
more specialized in that area. Either keep the original bike for a back up 
to the dedicated one, or sell it to subsidize the new one. Everyone's a 
winner!

I'd throw the Gunnar "Sport" for a MUSA brand and the Black Mountain Cycles 
"Road" as an indie brand into the mix as well.

Of course contrary to what *I *think is best, most people in this situation 
end up w/ a racey Tre-iant-alized. 


On Friday, May 18, 2012 6:28:34 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> The woman in question didn't buy a bike from me yet, but the Pacer, 
> Cross-check, and San Marcos were the three I showed her. Most of the 
> problem is not "speed", but wanting to fit in with the clubby roadies she 
> imagines she'll ride with someday. And those guys have preached a different 
> sort of gospel about carbon being a magical substance that makes everything 
> about bike riding better. I used to ride my Atlantis with 50 mm Big Apples, 
> fenders, a rack, a grocery pannier, and flat pedals on a weekly ride like 
> that. At least half my conversations on those rides involved my companions 
> trying to sell me on the trappings of the faux-racer. And I was the one who 
> was selling bikes as a job (pre-HC days).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride on NPR's Morning Edition May 18

2012-05-18 Thread PATRICK MOORE
Interesting; I see a trend away from "real cyclist = racer" and
doubtless this NPR piece is both a sign and will be an encouragement
of the trend.

Interesting, too: first, that Grant hasn't managed yet to shed all his
lowdown, racer-boy ways (I can sympathize, tho' I never raced formally
-- slow motion attack!); second that he gives $300 - $400 as the
minimum for a usable utility bike (I'd guess that this is true if you
don't commute more than, say, 2-3 miles each way; new bikes only, used
is cheating); and riding in your work clothes: can't see that for
rides over 2-3 miles. Me, summer, street shorts but jerseys (pockets,
trim fit and long tails), SPDs and shoes and the most important piece
of cycling kit ever developed, the cycling cap (blocks sun, wind and
mops up sweat).



On Fri, May 18, 2012 at 7:30 AM, Zack  wrote:
> Link is up, listening now:
>
> http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/05/18/152945439/bike-to-work-day-your-photos-and-riding-advice-from-grant-petersen
>
> (i think it's funny they describe him as "long time bike shop owner" ahahah.
>  i think Grant is a bit more than that, just my .02)
>
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride on NPR's Morning Edition May 18

2012-05-18 Thread Zack
Link is up, listening now:

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2012/05/18/152945439/bike-to-work-day-your-photos-and-riding-advice-from-grant-petersen

(i think it's funny they describe him as "long time bike shop owner" 
ahahah.  i think Grant is a bit more than that, just my .02)


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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-18 Thread Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
The woman in question didn't buy a bike from me yet, but the Pacer, 
Cross-check, and San Marcos were the three I showed her. Most of the problem is 
not "speed", but wanting to fit in with the clubby roadies she imagines she'll 
ride with someday. And those guys have preached a different sort of gospel 
about carbon being a magical substance that makes everything about bike riding 
better. I used to ride my Atlantis with 50 mm Big Apples, fenders, a rack, a 
grocery pannier, and flat pedals on a weekly ride like that. At least half my 
conversations on those rides involved my companions trying to sell me on the 
trappings of the faux-racer. And I was the one who was selling bikes as a job 
(pre-HC days).

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-18 Thread Pondero
Totally on board with the ride for fun philosophy, but I also suspect that 
some of those in-training racer folks are actually having fun.  That was me 
10 years ago.  But what fun is to me has changed.

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-18 Thread Peter Morgano
Preaching to the choir man,  rode plastic bikes for years for how light and
perceived "fast" they were.  Always uncomfortable,  now feel liberated on
my 42s getting passed by team kit getting ready for the tour in their
minds.
On May 18, 2012 1:18 AM, "Allan in Portland"  wrote:

> Well, it's not about the equipment. It's the motivations of the person
> picking the equipment. Biking has become associated with fitness and
> competition. Riding for fun and enjoyment comes in a distant second place
> in a lot of people's minds. This has meant a lot of people out there are
> miserable when riding their bikes. It has become a chore, or something they
> feel they have to do, like eating broccoli. It has also meant even more
> people have simply stayed away from riding altogether because they think it
> has to be a miserable, character-building endeavor.
>
> The point of Grant's talk (I haven't read the book yet) is to free people
> of these ill-conceived notions. I can't decided if this is lame or not, but
> I'm thinking it might be apt to summarize Grant's goal as Zen and the Art
> of Bicycle Riding. If you're not at peace with how you ride, you're doing
> it wrong.
>
> Trying to straddle some line between practical and fitness is probably
> still missing the point. (Though not necessarily, so please don't take
> offense, I'm not trying to call you out) One should only ride that which
> they enjoy. There shouldn't be trade-offs or balancing acts figuring one's
> enjoyment. Choosing to get beat-up *less* on 25 mm tires to go 1 mph
> faster, instead of 23 mm tires to go 2 mph faster is still doing it wrong.
> Everyone's sole and unequivocal condition should be don't get beat-up by
> your tires. After that is met, who cares about width? It is what it is.
>
> Hope this doesn't come across too preachy.
>
> Regards,
> -Allan
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[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-17 Thread Allan in Portland
Well, it's not about the equipment. It's the motivations of the person 
picking the equipment. Biking has become associated with fitness and 
competition. Riding for fun and enjoyment comes in a distant second place 
in a lot of people's minds. This has meant a lot of people out there are 
miserable when riding their bikes. It has become a chore, or something they 
feel they have to do, like eating broccoli. It has also meant even more 
people have simply stayed away from riding altogether because they think it 
has to be a miserable, character-building endeavor.

The point of Grant's talk (I haven't read the book yet) is to free people 
of these ill-conceived notions. I can't decided if this is lame or not, but 
I'm thinking it might be apt to summarize Grant's goal as Zen and the Art 
of Bicycle Riding. If you're not at peace with how you ride, you're doing 
it wrong.

Trying to straddle some line between practical and fitness is probably 
still missing the point. (Though not necessarily, so please don't take 
offense, I'm not trying to call you out) One should only ride that which 
they enjoy. There shouldn't be trade-offs or balancing acts figuring one's 
enjoyment. Choosing to get beat-up *less* on 25 mm tires to go 1 mph 
faster, instead of 23 mm tires to go 2 mph faster is still doing it wrong. 
Everyone's sole and unequivocal condition should be don't get beat-up by 
your tires. After that is met, who cares about width? It is what it is.

Hope this doesn't come across too preachy.

Regards,
-Allan

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Re: [RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-17 Thread Peter Morgano
I think that part of the issue is racy weight conscious 25mm tire riders
probably aren't looking at rivendell or surly since they have aspirations
to be "fast" in the club.  I banish them to madone land,  hahaha.
Sometimes you can't have it all,  why not just 2 bikes that each serve a
purpose they were built for. There is enough room in even my tiny brooklyn
apt for two dedicated rigs,  but neither one is for racing,  I leave that
to the lance wanna bes out there in their team kit crouched over tiny
plastic bikes.
On May 17, 2012 10:52 PM, "Aaron Thomas"  wrote:

> Jim,
>
> As someone who straddles the line between Rivendellish sensibilities and
> club rider hammering, I can relate to the seemingly divergent desires of
> your customer. And I wonder whether there needs to be such a stark
> dichotomy drawn between a "practical" bike and one suitable for
> fitness-oriented clubby rides.
>
> Others have suggested a Surly LHT. My thought is another: why not one of
> the new Surly Pacers, which are designed for standard reach brakes? It
> could be built up in a racy, weight-conscious way with a smart mix of
> Ritchey or FSA parts and a SRAM Apex or Rival gruppo. A Burly could be
> affixed when necessary. And I'm blanking now, but aren't there pedals out
> there that have simultaneous clipless and regular shoe capabilities?
>
> Perhaps she could be outfitted with two wheelsets, one with some Jack
> Browns for Burly duties, the other with some "sensible" (to me) 25mm
> performance tires, such as Michelin Krylion or Panaracer Type-D.
>
> The only thing that might get in the way of a truly dual-purpose Pacer
> would be the rack, which would add unnecessary weight and drag when used
> for club rides.
>
> Sounds good to me. Wouldn't mind one myself!
>
> Aaron
>
> On Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:09:55 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
> wrote:
>>
>> Just Ride was on my mind yesterday when I tried to help a woman decide on
>> her first nice bike. She wants a sporty-ish bike for Burley-pulling and it
>> would be nice if it had a rack. Easy enough. But she's also athletic and
>> aspires to the racer archetype. I should add that she's the type of woman
>> that most men would notice in any crowd, which means that various bike
>> dudes have tried to "help" her with all sorts of advice. All the usual
>> suspects were present: the necessity and efficiency of clipless pedals, the
>> magical properties of carbon, and the (baffling-to-me) popularity of
>> time-trial bikes, none of which are necessary, or even desirable, in a bike
>> for daily errands and family rides. Anyway, she was clearly struggling with
>> the perceived compromises between making a bike useful and making a bike
>> fast (or at least light/expensive enough to impress the racer wannabe
>> crowd). I thought to myself: this would be a lot easier if she could drop
>> the racer notions and stop hanging out with guys who read Bicycling
>> Magazine as a comprehensive source of cycling wisdom.
>>
>> On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:15:32 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Maybe there should be a spoiler alert here - be advised that I will be
>>> discussing various aspects of the new book, so navigate away from this page
>>> if you prefer the content of the book to be a complete surprise.
>>>
>>> I finished reading the book tonight, which if I can summarize in a line,
>>> is about all the good things about bikes that appear only when you toss
>>> racer prejudices and attitudes out the window and Just Ride. After the
>>> first few chapters, I thought that maybe the editors really sanitized GP's
>>> historically familiar against-the-grain opinions to be more blandly
>>> vanilla, hopefully to be appealing to a broader audience. The general
>>> content wasn't unpredictable to me, having read the Readers and Catalogs
>>> and most everything else Riv going back to 2004 when I wanted a touring
>>> bike and couldn't find any to buy except the Atlantis (that's how I first
>>> found Riv in the internet universe). But I was somewhat surprised that
>>> there was little to no discernible lug evangelism or quill stem absolutism
>>> or singing the praises of friction shifters, and the Retro-Grouchiness was
>>> held to a dull roar.
>>>
>>> But as I got further along in the book, I started to think that maybe Mr
>>> Petersen has simply mellowed about the trivial details over the years (I
>>> know I have!). Or maybe more accurately, there's less to be peeved about in
>>> the bike industry now than there was 10 years ago or even 5 years ago.
>>> After all, smart, sturdy bikes with ample tire clearance and useful
>>> braze-ons and some attention to classic, non-billboard aesthetics have
>>> become, dare I say, normal. If racing bikes and gear are the status quo in
>>> the world, then I must live in a lucky bubble in South Minneapolis where I
>>> ride and fix bikes every day, as I see lots of reincarnated 1980s
>>> sport-tourers, old steel MTBs, and new(ish) Surly Cross-ch

[RBW] Re: Just Ride

2012-05-17 Thread Aaron Thomas
Jim,

As someone who straddles the line between Rivendellish sensibilities and 
club rider hammering, I can relate to the seemingly divergent desires of 
your customer. And I wonder whether there needs to be such a stark 
dichotomy drawn between a "practical" bike and one suitable for 
fitness-oriented clubby rides.

Others have suggested a Surly LHT. My thought is another: why not one of 
the new Surly Pacers, which are designed for standard reach brakes? It 
could be built up in a racy, weight-conscious way with a smart mix of 
Ritchey or FSA parts and a SRAM Apex or Rival gruppo. A Burly could be 
affixed when necessary. And I'm blanking now, but aren't there pedals out 
there that have simultaneous clipless and regular shoe capabilities? 

Perhaps she could be outfitted with two wheelsets, one with some Jack 
Browns for Burly duties, the other with some "sensible" (to me) 25mm 
performance tires, such as Michelin Krylion or Panaracer Type-D.

The only thing that might get in the way of a truly dual-purpose Pacer 
would be the rack, which would add unnecessary weight and drag when used 
for club rides.

Sounds good to me. Wouldn't mind one myself!

Aaron

On Thursday, May 17, 2012 6:09:55 AM UTC-7, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
wrote:
>
> Just Ride was on my mind yesterday when I tried to help a woman decide on 
> her first nice bike. She wants a sporty-ish bike for Burley-pulling and it 
> would be nice if it had a rack. Easy enough. But she's also athletic and 
> aspires to the racer archetype. I should add that she's the type of woman 
> that most men would notice in any crowd, which means that various bike 
> dudes have tried to "help" her with all sorts of advice. All the usual 
> suspects were present: the necessity and efficiency of clipless pedals, the 
> magical properties of carbon, and the (baffling-to-me) popularity of 
> time-trial bikes, none of which are necessary, or even desirable, in a bike 
> for daily errands and family rides. Anyway, she was clearly struggling with 
> the perceived compromises between making a bike useful and making a bike 
> fast (or at least light/expensive enough to impress the racer wannabe 
> crowd). I thought to myself: this would be a lot easier if she could drop 
> the racer notions and stop hanging out with guys who read Bicycling 
> Magazine as a comprehensive source of cycling wisdom.
>
> On Thursday, May 10, 2012 1:15:32 AM UTC-5, Jim Thill - Hiawatha Cyclery 
> wrote:
>>
>> Maybe there should be a spoiler alert here - be advised that I will be 
>> discussing various aspects of the new book, so navigate away from this page 
>> if you prefer the content of the book to be a complete surprise.
>>
>> I finished reading the book tonight, which if I can summarize in a line, 
>> is about all the good things about bikes that appear only when you toss 
>> racer prejudices and attitudes out the window and Just Ride. After the 
>> first few chapters, I thought that maybe the editors really sanitized GP's 
>> historically familiar against-the-grain opinions to be more blandly 
>> vanilla, hopefully to be appealing to a broader audience. The general 
>> content wasn't unpredictable to me, having read the Readers and Catalogs 
>> and most everything else Riv going back to 2004 when I wanted a touring 
>> bike and couldn't find any to buy except the Atlantis (that's how I first 
>> found Riv in the internet universe). But I was somewhat surprised that 
>> there was little to no discernible lug evangelism or quill stem absolutism 
>> or singing the praises of friction shifters, and the Retro-Grouchiness was 
>> held to a dull roar. 
>>
>> But as I got further along in the book, I started to think that maybe Mr 
>> Petersen has simply mellowed about the trivial details over the years (I 
>> know I have!). Or maybe more accurately, there's less to be peeved about in 
>> the bike industry now than there was 10 years ago or even 5 years ago. 
>> After all, smart, sturdy bikes with ample tire clearance and useful 
>> braze-ons and some attention to classic, non-billboard aesthetics have 
>> become, dare I say, normal. If racing bikes and gear are the status quo in 
>> the world, then I must live in a lucky bubble in South Minneapolis where I 
>> ride and fix bikes every day, as I see lots of reincarnated 1980s 
>> sport-tourers, old steel MTBs, and new(ish) Surly Cross-checks and LHTs on 
>> a daily basis, but feel like I see relatively few "road bikes" being ridden 
>> by obvious faux-racers. To the extent that bike trends have steered toward 
>> the benefit of the "Unracer" over the past decade or so, my opinion is that 
>> Grant and Rivendell played a large part in it. This is not to say that all 
>> smart bike designs and product offerings are shameless Riv-ripoffs, but 
>> that Grant gave voice to a backlash movement and opened a long-neglected 
>> market to a lot of smart, creative people who maybe couldn't or wouldn't 
>> have done it without some pioneering coattails

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