RE: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
Simon Owen wrote: > SimCoupe does have some convenience features that aren't true to the > real machine, such as turbo mode, fast disk access, fast startup, and > auto-booting. Adding support for fixed variable speeds (25%, 50%, > 200%, ...) probably falls under the same category, and is something > I've got on the ToDo list for a couple of people. Allowing variable > CPU speed is a much greyer area, unless it was done in a > peripheral-type way like both SAM accelerator prototypes. Yeah, it would be quite a challenge (<<-- understatement) to try to introduce the same contention issues that Cookie talked about with simcoupe :) G __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
RE: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
Andy Chandler wrote: > As for the accelerator, I think I remember seeing that in > action. Am I right in thinking it affected the screen refresh > slightly and there was the odd line across the screen, > possibly where the ASIC didn't gain access to the video RAM > in time? (I'm pretending to know how Simon's design worked!) Something like that. We weren't handling wait states right because the clock for the external processor and the internal processor weren't sync'ed up correctly. So we were contending the bus when video data was going back and forth. I can't remember if we were also screwing up the data writes, but we might have been. Next step would have been to design a system to handle the differences in the clock, probably using a PAL to do it... That way, the wait states would be correctly honored at the right time, and there would have been no video glitches. Si
Re: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
>Geoff Winkless wrote: > >> And on the subject of the accelerator board, I remember >> Cookie showing one running Lemmings at the second Gloucester >> show that someone (can't remember ... was it Nev? don't think >> so) had built... what happened to that? I think it was the second show. I've recently captured the video tape of the first one to MPG and I'll have to find the tape of the second show in order to see if I (or Derek) captured a demo of the Midget. It's funny looking back at the first show because Derek Morgan did most of it and I don't think that he'd used a camcorder before, so there were lots of ceiling and floor shots to edit out. The reason for taking it along in the first place was mainly for screen captures for our Adventure Club mag. The best bit (strangely) is where Cookie, Ian Slavin and Ste Pick where showing off their tee shirts. It was quite colourful. Another interesting bit was where Simon Goodwin was showing Spectum emulation on his Amiga 4000. I think the second show (or was it the third)had a bit of Cookie doing his magician thing. I'll have to try to find those tapes... :) Regards Dave W
RE: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
Just to change the subject quickly, on Ebay currently, I see someone is selling all of their Sam stuff, including 91 games and the machine (currently £16). I have to add that it's not mine! Curiously, whoever is selling it labeled the Sam a "Games Console". Not heard it called that before. ;-) As for the accelerator, I think I remember seeing that in action. Am I right in thinking it affected the screen refresh slightly and there was the odd line across the screen, possibly where the ASIC didn't gain access to the video RAM in time? (I'm pretending to know how Simon's design worked!)
RE: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
Geoff Winkless wrote: > And on the subject of the accelerator board, I remember > Cookie showing one running Lemmings at the second Gloucester > show that someone (can't remember ... was it Nev? don't think > so) had built... what happened to that? Well, here's a bit of history... I designed the basic way the accelerator works, and Martin designed the electronics to support it. What it was, was a 8MHz Z80 which I think we overclocked to 10 or 12MHz. The trick to getting an effective accelerator though is this: Most of the time you're doing reads. You don't do writes all that often (I think the ratio was about 1:7 or something like that). So I put in a mirror RAM - nice, fast RAM that the outboard Z80 could use. When you're reading from that RAM, it all happens with no wait states at the higher clock speed - and ignores the SAM's internal RAM entirely. When you're writing to that RAM, it writes to both the internal and external RAM, honoring wait states. IO, of course, needs to honor the waits. Works pretty well - you could actually run Lemmings at 50 frames a second that way. And because most apps sync to the frame sync, it has none of the "Turbo Mode" problems that PCs had when running on faster processors. Si
Re: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > Howard Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > And on the subject of the accelerator board, I remember Cookie showing one > running Lemmings at the second Gloucester show that someone (can't remember > was it Nev? don't think so) had built... what happened to that? > No Not me. I'm not _that_ clever. Nev.
Re: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
On Nov 19, 2004, at 11:32 am, Geoff Winkless wrote: Heh. If Andrew's site comes back up in the near future I'll have a play with pyz80, then Statues might still see the light of day :) :) :) Alternatively I might just write the shoot-em-up I always wanted but couldn't be bothered with... It's up now, actually. Now I have to get python :( When was it down? Cheers, Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
RE: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
Colin Piggot wrote: > Hmmm... the temptation would be there to run SimCoupe at > higher speeds, and yes great things could be done... but it > would lose the feel of the real machine along the way. I do agree with that aspect of it, in that it only makes sense to emulate features that can/do exist on the real machine. I suppose it could be extended to allow prototyping of upcoming hardware too. Adding features like hardware scrolling support to the emulator would certainly be wrong, IMO! My removing Spectrum emulation from SimCoupe seemed a bit contraversial at the time, but was part of the same philosophy. As well as removing Spectrum-specific initialisation, I tightened up the overall hardware setup to be truer to the SAM (such as the CLUT and ports being zeroed). It doesn't stop you using a Spectrum ROM image, but you'll now need to modify it to set up paging and palette like for a real machine. Besides, there are plenty of dedicated Spectrum emulators out there already that already do a better job :-) SimCoupe does have some convenience features that aren't true to the real machine, such as turbo mode, fast disk access, fast startup, and auto-booting. Adding support for fixed variable speeds (25%, 50%, 200%, ...) probably falls under the same category, and is something I've got on the ToDo list for a couple of people. Allowing variable CPU speed is a much greyer area, unless it was done in a peripheral-type way like both SAM accelerator prototypes. > and I feel that just takes the magic away from it all. Agreed. CKay on WoS has a BASIC OS that would be _improved_ by running fast on SimCoupe, but it does still run on a real SAM. I'm not keen on the idea of software that would ONLY run on the emulator. All just my opinion, of course - I'd be interested to hear from anyone that disagrees... Si
RE: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
Colin Piggot wrote: >> It occurred to me that with SimCoupe we could overclock the machine >> and code up stuff that wouldn't have been possible on the 6MHz Sam >> (except possibly with the accelerator board, of course!). Do people >> think this destroys the heritage of the machine or is it something >> they'd be happy to see (especially if we did restrict it to what's >> possible with upgraded hardware)? > > Hmmm... the temptation would be there to run SimCoupe at higher > speeds, and yes great things could be done... but it would lose the > feel of the real machine along the way. I don't know - I agree that the feel of the machine would change if you started cheating by adding in direct access to PC hardware or something to get better graphics or sound, but if it's literally just the same but faster (say equivalent to a 12MHz z80) and is achievable with an expansion board on the original hardware, it's no different to having an emulator with support for a hard disk, or a built-in debugger (*cough*, Simon). > What happened to it ... long forgotton in the land of projects not > finished... Unfortunately along with Simon and Martin's other > projects - the MultiROM, the MiDGET, and dare I say it ... oh go on > then. Statues of Ice! Heh. If Andrew's site comes back up in the near future I'll have a play with pyz80, then Statues might still see the light of day :) :) :) Alternatively I might just write the shoot-em-up I always wanted but couldn't be bothered with... It's up now, actually. Now I have to get python :( G __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
> It occurred to me that with SimCoupe we could overclock the machine and code > up stuff that wouldn't have been possible on the 6MHz Sam (except possibly > with the accelerator board, of course!). Do people think this destroys the > heritage of the machine or is it something they'd be happy to see > (especially if we did restrict it to what's possible with upgraded > hardware)? Hmmm... the temptation would be there to run SimCoupe at higher speeds, and yes great things could be done... but it would lose the feel of the real machine along the way. It's something you seem to hear about occasionally for other platforms - making emulators support extra things the real machine can't, and I feel that just takes the magic away from it all. > And on the subject of the accelerator board, I remember Cookie showing one > running Lemmings at the second Gloucester show that someone (can't remember > ... was it Nev? don't think so) had built... what happened to that? That was Simon & Martin Rookyards accellerator, at 8MHz on the day of the show, although Simon did say it got up to 10MHz. What happened to it ... long forgotton in the land of projects not finished... Unfortunately along with Simon and Martin's other projects - the MultiROM, the MiDGET, and dare I say it ... oh go on then. Statues of Ice! Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now
overclocked Sam programs [was RE: ORSAM show report]
Howard Price [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > BORING! Everyone's sound on this list, and I can get > bickering off any old net chatroom. That'll do now. Apologies to all, hadn't intended my light-hearted comment to offend, and Howard's absolutely right of course. On to Sam stuff... It occurred to me that with SimCoupe we could overclock the machine and code up stuff that wouldn't have been possible on the 6MHz Sam (except possibly with the accelerator board, of course!). Do people think this destroys the heritage of the machine or is it something they'd be happy to see (especially if we did restrict it to what's possible with upgraded hardware)? And on the subject of the accelerator board, I remember Cookie showing one running Lemmings at the second Gloucester show that someone (can't remember ... was it Nev? don't think so) had built... what happened to that? (I also remember spending many hours the night before flicking through the z8000 manual that he'd got hold of in a kind of 6-year-old-at-christmas glee, but that's another story altogether) Geoff __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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From: david <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > a) They're evil SAMs > > b) They ran out of blue feet. c) They are disguised black footed sheep ??
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From: Slitscan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > BLUE RUBBER FEET!!! AMBER DRIVE LED ! unfortunately mine went to hardware heaven many ions ago. >are you awake now? barely ZZ
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--- Wolfgang Haller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Is it true that the SAM colours red - blue - white > reperesents the > colours of the english flag? They are the same - but I think that was incidental. The white could represent icecream - which gave SAM the Coupe name(it was named after a Coupe icecream - as well as the car) > PS: I have also a black footed SAM. Whats the reason > for the black feets? Two possibilities: a) They're evil SAMs b) They ran out of blue feet. > Wolfgang (back to SAM related things) ;-) :)
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Is it true that the SAM colours red - blue - white reperesents the colours of the english flag? PS: I have also a black footed SAM. Whats the reason for the black feets? Wolfgang (back to SAM related things) ;-) Colin Piggot wrote: BLUE RUBBER FEET!!! are you awake now? And don't forget the rarer black feet! ;) Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now
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--- Colin Piggot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > BLUE RUBBER FEET!!! are you awake now? > > And don't forget the rarer black feet! ;) > > Colin > = > Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for > the Sam Coupe > Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and > http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ > Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now >
RE: ORSAM show report
Hey everyone - I'll have a real Sam again next Friday :D Hurrah!!! Sorry Si - Simcoupe rocks, but I'll have a coupe again! Can't wait :) David -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Colin Piggot Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:39 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report > BLUE RUBBER FEET!!! are you awake now? And don't forget the rarer black feet! ;) Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now
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> BLUE RUBBER FEET!!! are you awake now? And don't forget the rarer black feet! ;) Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now
RE: ORSAM show report
BLUE RUBBER FEET!!! are you awake now? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of david Sent: Thursday, November 18, 2004 10:24 PM To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report --- Howard Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BORING! Everyone's sound on this list, and I can > get bickering off any old > net chatroom. That'll do now. Indeedy. I'll go back to sleep until someone says something SAM related
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--- Howard Price <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > BORING! Everyone's sound on this list, and I can > get bickering off any old > net chatroom. That'll do now. Indeedy. I'll go back to sleep until someone says something SAM related
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BORING! Everyone's sound on this list, and I can get bickering off any old net chatroom. That'll do now. Proud to say, I have a glorious MILES GORDON TECHNOLOGY PLC Sam. And up til I swapped the ROM in '98 ish, it was a 1989 vintage. Tobermory=Howard At 09:09 18/11/2004, you wrote: "Theatrical drama" seems to be the right word for this all. Be sure: I never did anything wrong and I know Mr. Bennett for years as a honest and friendly person. I suppose the "idiot" goes to Mr. Winkless, not to me This here reminds me at Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide. I wonder what will come next? Wolfgang Frans van Egmond wrote: Leonard Bennett wrote: Somehow I was expecting some idiot would come up with this... Why then did you post your statement here the way you did? You make it sound like it wasn't your free choice to put Wolfgang up and pay for his expenses... Ofcourse I may have missed something in previous posts so feel free to elaborate... Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For the hard of reading among us... erm... huh? Sorry, I'm watching this whole theatrical drama unfold, and I just don't get it. Can I get some crib-notes? - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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"Theatrical drama" seems to be the right word for this all. Be sure: I never did anything wrong and I know Mr. Bennett for years as a honest and friendly person. I suppose the "idiot" goes to Mr. Winkless, not to me This here reminds me at Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hide. I wonder what will come next? Wolfgang Frans van Egmond wrote: Leonard Bennett wrote: Somehow I was expecting some idiot would come up with this... Why then did you post your statement here the way you did? You make it sound like it wasn't your free choice to put Wolfgang up and pay for his expenses... Ofcourse I may have missed something in previous posts so feel free to elaborate... Frans [EMAIL PROTECTED]: For the hard of reading among us... erm... huh? Sorry, I'm watching this whole theatrical drama unfold, and I just don't get it. Can I get some crib-notes? - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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Then why exactly did you send it, if not to reflect some glory on yourself? Would you rather we thought you did it to belittle Wolfgang and his efforts? Bob Brenchley once described me as a "stupid demo coder" and it merely made him look small (no mean feat...). You can call me "some idiot" if you like but in the same way it only serves to detract from your argument. What you wrote (originally) left a sour taste in the mouth, which is a real shame because I'm sure you put Wolfgang up with no ulterior motive. My email was intended as a gentle nudge to point out that what you wrote seemed a little petty, I'm sorry that you didn't see it that way, perhaps a liberal sprinkling of smileys would have been useful? Geoff From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 17 November 2004 18:03To: Sam users groupSubject: Re: ORSAM show report Somehow I was expecting some idiot would come up with this... - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.noSubject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __ __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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> I haven't got the tape back yet. I'll let you know when I do. > > Unfortunately there was so much continuing background noise, I'd be > surprised if you can hear a word of it on the video. Ah well, it was a bit of a ramble anyway... the pictures would say more than the words! I'm in the middle of writing up about the prototype Mayhem Accelerator at the moment for an article to appear in Sam Revival 12 and on the websites (with plenty of photos and some captured videos of it running, and a look over the long development cycle too), and the initial information will be in the Show Report in Sam Revival 11 (which should be out in a week or so) I'll try and get some preliminary information up on the site this evening too. PS Andrew - did you get my email re: screenshots for the show report? Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now
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On Nov 18, 2004, at 10:00 am, Gavin Smith wrote: did any of the videos ever surface? I'd like to see Colin's chat about his new hardware in particular. I haven't got the tape back yet. I'll let you know when I do. Unfortunately there was so much continuing background noise, I'd be surprised if you can hear a word of it on the video. Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
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> And by the way: I have put my pictures from Orsam to my website. GO TO: > www.womoteam.de/SAM/ > and choose "Norwich Pics 2004". Nice pics - did any of the videos ever surface? I'd like to see Colin's chat about his new hardware in particular. Gavin (currently SAMless and missing it)
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For the hard of reading among us... erm...
huh?
Sorry, I'm watching this whole theatrical drama unfold, and
I just don't get it. Can I get some crib-notes?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Leonard
BennettSent: Wednesday, November 17, 2004 10:03 AMTo:
Sam users groupSubject: Re: ORSAM show report
Somehow I was expecting some idiot
would come up with this...
- Original Message -
From:
Geoff
Winkless
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33
AM
Subject: RE: ORSAM show report
What do you want, a medal?
G
From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.noSubject:
Re: ORSAM show report
I would just like to point out here that
Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City
from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the
taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to
Norwich.
Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it
David S-S!
Len
Bennett__This
email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more
information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email
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Leonard Bennett wrote: Somehow I was expecting some idiot would come up with this... Why then did you post your statement here the way you did? You make it sound like it wasn't your free choice to put Wolfgang up and pay for his expenses... Ofcourse I may have missed something in previous posts so feel free to elaborate... Frans - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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Somehow I was expecting some idiot would come up with this... - Original Message - From: Geoff Winkless To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 11:33 AM Subject: RE: ORSAM show report What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.noSubject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett__This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System.For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
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Title: Message don't think he meaned to be horrid by that statement - but if anyone fancies a Sam meetup in London or Brighton (we have lovely sea and good clubs ya know :) then feel free to kip at mine! -Original Message-From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Wolfgang HallerSent: Tuesday, November 16, 2004 1:21 PMTo: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.noSubject: Re: ORSAM show reportThese is one of the days I don´t like. You are in a good mood and then such a mail comes in, I was fully unprepared.I don´t want make a big thing of it, I wrote him personally. But a bit for my reputation may be allowed: Mr. Bennett sent me a taxi, because he couldn´t come himself as usually by hurting knees. He also forgot to mention, that I would always give him money, but he had not accept.Mr. Bennett was also often our guest here in Cologne (for meetings in Holland). I think that is nuff said.And by the way: I have put my pictures from Orsam to my website. GO TO: www.womoteam.de/SAM/and choose "Norwich Pics 2004".I hope you enjoy. And please, please: If you find anything wrong in my small texts or you identify persons which name I don´t know, please correct me (also via usersgroup off course).Best wishesWolfgangLeonard Bennett wrote: I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett - Original Message - From: Wolfgang Haller To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: ORSAM show report Hi to all...Beeing back in Cologne since last night, coming from the warm temperatures in england into the snow here :-(Found a lot of mails, also this and I ask, what´s the problem? I was coming by car (my girl brought me to the plane), by plane, by taxi, by train (with three times changing), by bus (in Norwich) and at last by feet.. :-)But alright, flying is wonderful and it needed me not longer from Cologne to Ldn-Stansted as about one hour ;-) Think, I will do it again next ORSAM show, as I enjoyed it very much (except that my camera has broken).Wolfgangdavid wrote: --- David Suzuki-Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Crikey - where were you travelling from? The arse end of Bolton - 5 hrs in the train Definately worth flying next time - 55mins in the plane
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Wolfgang Haller wrote: > And by the way: I have put my pictures from Orsam to my > website. GO TO: www.womoteam.de/SAM/ and choose "Norwich Pics 2004". Nice to see more show pics :-) >From your second page: "Andrew with Simon Owen and possibly a visitor (or who?)." The extra person was Andy Kavanagh, more usually known as deKay on IRC and CSS. Si
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These is one of the days I don´t like. You are in a good mood and then
such a mail comes in, I was fully unprepared.
I don´t want make a big thing of it, I wrote him personally. But a bit
for my reputation may be allowed: Mr. Bennett sent me a taxi, because
he couldn´t come himself as usually by hurting knees. He also forgot to
mention, that I would always give him money, but he had not accept.
Mr. Bennett was also often our guest here in Cologne (for meetings in
Holland). I think that is nuff said.
And by the way: I have put my pictures from Orsam to my website. GO TO:
www.womoteam.de/SAM/
and choose "Norwich Pics 2004".
I hope you enjoy. And please, please: If you find anything wrong in my
small texts or you identify persons which name I don´t know, please
correct me (also via usersgroup off course).
Best wishes
Wolfgang
Leonard Bennett wrote:
I would just like to point out here
that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn
Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were
paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus
fares to Norwich.
Doesn't seem so astounding now, does
it David S-S!
Len Bennett
-
Original Message -
From:
Wolfgang
Haller
To:
sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Sent:
Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:41 AM
Subject:
Re: ORSAM show report
Hi to all...
Beeing back in Cologne since last night, coming from the warm
temperatures in england into the snow here :-(
Found a lot of mails, also this and I ask, what´s the problem? I was
coming by car (my girl brought me to the plane), by plane, by taxi, by
train (with three times changing), by bus (in Norwich) and at last by
feet.. :-)
But alright, flying is wonderful and it needed me not longer from
Cologne to Ldn-Stansted as about one hour ;-) Think, I will do it again
next ORSAM show, as I enjoyed it very much (except that my camera has
broken).
Wolfgang
david wrote:
--- David Suzuki-Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Crikey - where were you travelling from?
The arse end of Bolton - 5 hrs in the train
Definately worth flying next time - 55mins in the plane
RE: ORSAM show report
What do you want, a medal? G From: Leonard Bennett [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 15 November 2004 11:08To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.noSubject: Re: ORSAM show report I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett __ This email has been scanned by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information please visit http://www.messagelabs.com/email __
Re: ORSAM show report
I would just like to point out here that Wolfgang was staying with me as my house guest here at Welwyn Garden City from Thursday 4th to Tuesday 9th. All his expenses were paid by me, even the taxi fares from and to Stansted, and the train/bus fares to Norwich. Doesn't seem so astounding now, does it David S-S! Len Bennett - Original Message - From: Wolfgang Haller To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Sent: Wednesday, November 10, 2004 10:41 AM Subject: Re: ORSAM show report Hi to all...Beeing back in Cologne since last night, coming from the warm temperatures in england into the snow here :-(Found a lot of mails, also this and I ask, what´s the problem? I was coming by car (my girl brought me to the plane), by plane, by taxi, by train (with three times changing), by bus (in Norwich) and at last by feet.. :-)But alright, flying is wonderful and it needed me not longer from Cologne to Ldn-Stansted as about one hour ;-) Think, I will do it again next ORSAM show, as I enjoyed it very much (except that my camera has broken).Wolfgangdavid wrote: --- David Suzuki-Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Crikey - where were you travelling from? The arse end of Bolton - 5 hrs in the train Definately worth flying next time - 55mins in the plane
Re: ORSAM show report
Crikey, your dedication is something astounding! :) _ Clipping & Distortion http://www.slitscan.tk On Wed Nov 10 3:41 , [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Wolfgang Haller) sent: > > > > > > > >Hi to all... > > > >Beeing back in Cologne since last night, coming from the warm >temperatures in england into the snow here :-( > > > >Found a lot of mails, also this and I ask, what´s the problem? I was >coming by car (my girl brought me to the plane), by plane, by taxi, by >train (with three times changing), by bus (in Norwich) and at last by >feet.. :-) > > > >But alright, flying is wonderful and it needed me not longer from >Cologne to Ldn-Stansted as about one hour ;-) Think, I will do it again >next ORSAM show, as I enjoyed it very much (except that my camera has >broken). > > > >Wolfgang > > > > > > > > > >david wrote: > > > --- David Suzuki-Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > >Crikey - where were you travelling from? > > > > >The arse end of Bolton - 5 hrs in the train > >Definately worth flying next time - 55mins in the plane > > > > >
Re: ORSAM show report
Hi to all... Beeing back in Cologne since last night, coming from the warm temperatures in england into the snow here :-( Found a lot of mails, also this and I ask, what´s the problem? I was coming by car (my girl brought me to the plane), by plane, by taxi, by train (with three times changing), by bus (in Norwich) and at last by feet.. :-) But alright, flying is wonderful and it needed me not longer from Cologne to Ldn-Stansted as about one hour ;-) Think, I will do it again next ORSAM show, as I enjoyed it very much (except that my camera has broken). Wolfgang david wrote: --- David Suzuki-Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: Crikey - where were you travelling from? The arse end of Bolton - 5 hrs in the train Definately worth flying next time - 55mins in the plane
Re: ORSAM show report
On Nov 9, 2004, at 3:18 pm, Simon Owen wrote: Andrew Collier wrote: Here are someone else's pictures of this year's show: Here are the ones I took: http://www.simonowen.com/photo/showimg.php?file=/orsam2004/ 2004_11_06%20012.jpg Good gracious, that extreme red-eye makes me look possessed! The screwdriver's going to end up halfway through the table by the appearance of it! Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
Re: ORSAM show report
Andrew Collier wrote: > Here are someone else's pictures of this year's show: Here are the ones I took: http://www.simonowen.com/photo/index.php?folder=/orsam2004/ Si
RE: ORSAM show report
--- David Suzuki-Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Crikey - where were you travelling from? > The arse end of Bolton - 5 hrs in the train Definately worth flying next time - 55mins in the plane
RE: ORSAM show report
Crikey - where were you travelling from? -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of david Sent: 07 November 2004 22:18 To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no Subject: RE: ORSAM show report It cost me 69 quid - and booking earlier wouldnt have made much of a saving (plus I didnt even know I was allowed a day off until a week before hand... plus was having my usual stomach related problems until the last minute... :( ) Glad I went - but the train service is a bloody joke :( - I may fly next time (its only 59 quid return!)
Re: ORSAM show report
--- Robert van der Veeke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > - Original Message - > From: "Andrew Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: > Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:13 PM > Subject: ORSAM show report > > > > Well, yesterday was the ORSAM (Spectrum & clones) > show, and since noone > > else has posted about it yet I thought I would do > a quick report: > > Was that Wolfgang Haller on one of the ORSAM > pictures? > > That explains a lot... It was great seeing Wolfgang again - i've taken a sub out to his mag as well (good job I can read a bit of German, even if I cant speak it! :))
RE: ORSAM show report
--- David Suzuki-Sanders <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I got as far as the train-station, where I was told > that because I hadn't > booked my ticket 5 days previously (should've been > £32), it would cost me > nearer 60 quid to get to Norwich! I really wanted to > go, but not at those > ticket prices! > > David > > It cost me 69 quid - and booking earlier wouldnt have made much of a saving (plus I didnt even know I was allowed a day off until a week before hand... plus was having my usual stomach related problems until the last minute... :( ) Glad I went - but the train service is a bloody joke :( - I may fly next time (its only 59 quid return!)
Re: ORSAM show report
--- Andrew Collier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 7, 2004, at 7:16 pm, Robert van der Veeke > wrote: > > >> Well, yesterday was the ORSAM (Spectrum & clones) > show, and since > >> noone > >> else has posted about it yet I thought I would do > a quick report: > > > > Was that Wolfgang Haller on one of the ORSAM > pictures? > > Probably... (which picture?) > > Here are someone else's pictures of this year's > show: > > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.dunn4/ORSAM2004/ > > Andrew > > -- > --- Andrew Collier > http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- >-- > Have you lost your Marbles? > http://www.marillion.com/ >
Re: ORSAM show report
On Nov 7, 2004, at 7:16 pm, Robert van der Veeke wrote: Well, yesterday was the ORSAM (Spectrum & clones) show, and since noone else has posted about it yet I thought I would do a quick report: Was that Wolfgang Haller on one of the ORSAM pictures? Probably... (which picture?) Here are someone else's pictures of this year's show: http://homepage.ntlworld.com/paul.dunn4/ORSAM2004/ Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
Re: ORSAM show report
- Original Message - From: "Andrew Collier" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Sunday, November 07, 2004 3:13 PM Subject: ORSAM show report > Well, yesterday was the ORSAM (Spectrum & clones) show, and since noone > else has posted about it yet I thought I would do a quick report: Was that Wolfgang Haller on one of the ORSAM pictures? That explains a lot... Robert van der Veeke Currently listening to: Ben Hur - Miklos Rozsa Basugasubasubasu Basugasubakuhaku Gasubakuhakuhaku!! "Better is the enemy of good enough." Dr. Mikoyan of the Mikoyan Gurevich Design Bureau --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.788 / Virus Database: 533 - Release Date: 01/11/2004
RE: ORSAM show report
I got as far as the train-station, where I was told that because I hadn't
booked my ticket 5 days previously (should've been £32), it would cost me
nearer 60 quid to get to Norwich! I really wanted to go, but not at those
ticket prices!
David
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrew Collier
Sent: 07 November 2004 14:13
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: ORSAM show report
Well, yesterday was the ORSAM (Spectrum & clones) show, and since noone
else has posted about it yet I thought I would do a quick report:
I arrived at the centre with about two minutes to spare (having been
within a mile for about the last quarter of an hour, I think. It isn't
the easiest place to find.) Anyway, the city mayor (I think) was there
to open the show - a nice gesture, although I don't know if it was
really the photo opportunity she might have expected - at that point
there were probably only an audience of about twenty. On the other hand
there were a reasonable stream of people arriving through the day, and
it seemed pleasingly busy in the afternoon.
So we all went in, there were stands all around the outside of the
hall, with two "islands" of stands in the middle. All the Sam stands
were on one of the islands, so we had David Ledbury with his Sam In A
Can (mostly playing SID soundchip music), next to him Colin Piggot's
stand (running Soundbyte demos, and Stratosphere, that sort of thing,
with Quazar surround sound), and then my MNEMOtech table (fighting the
good fight for the Sam's internal SA1099 sound chip, by running demos,
eTunes, ProTracker2 etc) on a TV with with a particularly scratchy UHF
signal.
I didn't have a camera with me unfortunately (well, actually I did
bring a camcorder because Tarquin had asked for someone to video the
talks, but I lent the tape to someone who'll be editing it and sending
the files out to people) but there were a number of people with cameras
around, so I hope someone will point at a URL soon.
Anyway, once we'd set up and the initial flurry had settled down a bit,
we started to look at the problem of what was going on with my Sam. So
I plugged it in and asked Colin what he thought might be wrong, which
was met with lots of "oh dear"s and sucking through teeth. The RGB
signal comes straight from the ASIC with no components in the way, so
if that isn't working, then there's only really one candidate for what
went wrong...
But I've got Allan Skillman's Sam too, which has a perfectly good RGB
output but not a good composite output. And its floppy drive can't read
half of my disks (and when it spins up, it disrupts the picture -
probably a power drain but altogether not very healthy). So we hatched
a mad plan to put its drive into the bay 2 slot, and move the working
drive from my broken Sam into bay one, and construct a
Frankenstein-like happy Sam with two drives from the parts of the two
unhappy ones.
Well it mostly worked: onlookers were treated to a techie hardware
demonstration of two Sam's being taken apart ("No user-serviceable
parts inside"? I'll be the judge of that...), and had a look at just
what a hack the internals of the later Sams had turned out to be. It
wasn't that there were loose wires hanging around (at least they all
went from various parts of the disk drive, to various parts of the
board plugged into the disk drive interface; I had worried that
something might have been soldered onto the Sam's motherboard) but that
the disk drive interface actually used a different connector. I'd
plugged in the working drive into bay 1 without noticing. But plugging
the old drive into bay 2 didn't work. It didn't fit, it turns out the
plug was two pins too long! And the socket on the Sam motherboard had
been changed to match, on just the one side. Unbelievable. But the
extra pins aren't wired up, and the rest of the connections look the
same, so I plugged it in anyway. And it works, hurrah!
There were a few bonus extra scheduled events going on through the
afternoon, one was Colin demonstrating a brilliant new piece of
in-development hardware, and another was a fascinating talk by Simon N
Goodwin about a huge number of early-80s computers, in particular the
clones (licensed or otherwise) of the early Sinclair machines.
After the show a group of ten wandered around Norwich looking for
somewhere to eat. Seven of us ended up in a small but rather nice
restaurant, with a picture of an upside-down Amiga mouse on the wall.
Well, almost. All in all, a lot of fun. I want to see more Sam faces
there next year though!
Andrew
--
--- Andrew Collier
http://www.intensity.org.uk/ ---
--
Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
ORSAM show report
Well, yesterday was the ORSAM (Spectrum & clones) show, and since noone
else has posted about it yet I thought I would do a quick report:
I arrived at the centre with about two minutes to spare (having been
within a mile for about the last quarter of an hour, I think. It isn't
the easiest place to find.) Anyway, the city mayor (I think) was there
to open the show - a nice gesture, although I don't know if it was
really the photo opportunity she might have expected - at that point
there were probably only an audience of about twenty. On the other hand
there were a reasonable stream of people arriving through the day, and
it seemed pleasingly busy in the afternoon.
So we all went in, there were stands all around the outside of the
hall, with two "islands" of stands in the middle. All the Sam stands
were on one of the islands, so we had David Ledbury with his Sam In A
Can (mostly playing SID soundchip music), next to him Colin Piggot's
stand (running Soundbyte demos, and Stratosphere, that sort of thing,
with Quazar surround sound), and then my MNEMOtech table (fighting the
good fight for the Sam's internal SA1099 sound chip, by running demos,
eTunes, ProTracker2 etc) on a TV with with a particularly scratchy UHF
signal.
I didn't have a camera with me unfortunately (well, actually I did
bring a camcorder because Tarquin had asked for someone to video the
talks, but I lent the tape to someone who'll be editing it and sending
the files out to people) but there were a number of people with cameras
around, so I hope someone will point at a URL soon.
Anyway, once we'd set up and the initial flurry had settled down a bit,
we started to look at the problem of what was going on with my Sam. So
I plugged it in and asked Colin what he thought might be wrong, which
was met with lots of "oh dear"s and sucking through teeth. The RGB
signal comes straight from the ASIC with no components in the way, so
if that isn't working, then there's only really one candidate for what
went wrong...
But I've got Allan Skillman's Sam too, which has a perfectly good RGB
output but not a good composite output. And its floppy drive can't read
half of my disks (and when it spins up, it disrupts the picture -
probably a power drain but altogether not very healthy). So we hatched
a mad plan to put its drive into the bay 2 slot, and move the working
drive from my broken Sam into bay one, and construct a
Frankenstein-like happy Sam with two drives from the parts of the two
unhappy ones.
Well it mostly worked: onlookers were treated to a techie hardware
demonstration of two Sam's being taken apart ("No user-serviceable
parts inside"? I'll be the judge of that...), and had a look at just
what a hack the internals of the later Sams had turned out to be. It
wasn't that there were loose wires hanging around (at least they all
went from various parts of the disk drive, to various parts of the
board plugged into the disk drive interface; I had worried that
something might have been soldered onto the Sam's motherboard) but that
the disk drive interface actually used a different connector. I'd
plugged in the working drive into bay 1 without noticing. But plugging
the old drive into bay 2 didn't work. It didn't fit, it turns out the
plug was two pins too long! And the socket on the Sam motherboard had
been changed to match, on just the one side. Unbelievable. But the
extra pins aren't wired up, and the rest of the connections look the
same, so I plugged it in anyway. And it works, hurrah!
There were a few bonus extra scheduled events going on through the
afternoon, one was Colin demonstrating a brilliant new piece of
in-development hardware, and another was a fascinating talk by Simon N
Goodwin about a huge number of early-80s computers, in particular the
clones (licensed or otherwise) of the early Sinclair machines.
After the show a group of ten wandered around Norwich looking for
somewhere to eat. Seven of us ended up in a small but rather nice
restaurant, with a picture of an upside-down Amiga mouse on the wall.
Well, almost. All in all, a lot of fun. I want to see more Sam faces
there next year though!
Andrew
--
--- Andrew Collier
http://www.intensity.org.uk/ ---
--
Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
RE: ORSAM show on Saturday
I hope someone took some good pictures of the show - I got about 60 miles
away from home to be called back to fix some servers :(
-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Andrew Collier
Sent: 05 November 2004 18:27
To: sam-users@nvg.ntnu.no
Subject: Re: ORSAM show on Saturday
Arse! I think I've broken my Sam.
Whose bright idea was it to use a non-standard SCART pinout, so you
have to get cut some some of the cable's wires before most TVs will
even display a picture?
I must have got one of the pins wrong, and shorted something, because
now I can't get a picture out of that Sam even using the composite
cable I was using before. Basically it seems to have completely lost
the vertical sync timing. That's probably in the ASIC.
Arse. Arse. Arse.
See you tomorrow, anyone who's going. I'll be the one at a table with a
Sam and nothing on the screen.
Andrew
--
--- Andrew Collier
http://www.intensity.org.uk/ ---
--
Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
Re: ORSAM show on Saturday
Arse! I think I've broken my Sam. Whose bright idea was it to use a non-standard SCART pinout, so you have to get cut some some of the cable's wires before most TVs will even display a picture? I must have got one of the pins wrong, and shorted something, because now I can't get a picture out of that Sam even using the composite cable I was using before. Basically it seems to have completely lost the vertical sync timing. That's probably in the ASIC. Arse. Arse. Arse. See you tomorrow, anyone who's going. I'll be the one at a table with a Sam and nothing on the screen. Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- Have you lost your Marbles? http://www.marillion.com/
Re: ORSAM show on Saturday
On Wed, 3 Nov 2004 10:24:59 - "Colin Piggot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hope to see some of you there! Sadly I can't be there this time either. I hope all who go have a grand time! Take pictures! :) -Frode -- ^ Frode Tennebø | email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ^ | Ericsson AS | Isebakkeveien 49 | | N-1788 Halden | Phone: +47 45 24 99 39| | with Standard.Disclaimer; use Standard.Disclaimer;|
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> --- Colin Piggot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Just a quick reminder to everyone that the ORSAM > > 2004 show that's being > > organised by Tarquin Mills is taking place on > > Saturday, from 10am to 4pm. > > Information is up on his site at: > > http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/orsam/index.html > > > > Hope to see some of you there! > > > > Colin > > = > > Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs > for > > the Sam Coupe > > Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and > > http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ > > Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now > > > Oh - this is sacralige I know - but is anyone taking > a > PC - as i've got to pick my SAM up from Norwich, so > dont think i'll have chance to conver much to SAM > Floppy from the PC? > > >
ORSAM show on Saturday
Just a quick reminder to everyone that the ORSAM 2004 show that's being organised by Tarquin Mills is taking place on Saturday, from 10am to 4pm. Information is up on his site at: http://www.speccyverse.me.uk/orsam/index.html Hope to see some of you there! Colin = Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.samcoupe.com/ and http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Ten of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now
Re: ORSAM Show...
- Original Message - From: "Colin Macdonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sam Users" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: ORSAM Show... > Greetings all, > > Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but > given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that it'll > be a decent turn out - who all's going? > > And in case anyone can't guess my next question, who's staying over and > fancies a few beverages in Norwich's finest? > > C. > See you there - if you make it! Long journey!!
Re: ORSAM Show...
> Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but > given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that it'll > be a decent turn out - who all's going? Not me either I'm afraid. If I could do there and back in a day by train then I'd have gone, and even had permission from 'er indoors. The earliest I could get there was something like 2 in the afternoon (or I could have sat on a train station for around 8 hours between midnight and 8am - I think not!) Annoyingly had it been a weekday, the trains would have started earlier I could have. Bit of a cop-out I'm afraid. Had it been in Quedgley mind you.. ;-) Tim
Re: ORSAM Show...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003, Colin Macdonald wrote: > Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but > given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that it'll > be a decent turn out - who all's going? I regret not. I would have loved to go, and I was planning to, but unfortunately something has occurred which forces me to be in another part of the country on that weekend. Hope the rest of you have a great time (and that enough of you go making it successful enough to repeat soon!). Sorry I can't be a part of it this time around. Andrew -- --- Andrew Collier http://www.intensity.org.uk/ --- -- r<2+ T<4* cSEL dMS hEn/CB
Re: ORSAM Show...
- Original Message - From: "Matthew J. Craven" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 2:50 PM Subject: Re: ORSAM Show... > I have decided against going as a lot of things have come up in the > past couple of weeks. Also I investigated the train times and coach > journeys available and discovered it took an absolutely inordinate > amount of time to get the small distance from Manchester to > Norwich. :-( > > All we need is someone driving that direction - I'd hitch back with them as well :)
Re: ORSAM Show...
- Original Message - From: "Tarquin Mills" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 5:21 PM Subject: Re: ORSAM Show... > People seem to backing out at the last minute, what they do not > seem to appreciate is that I spent a 3 figure some on this show, > not 75p and a pack of rolos. I am not cancelling the show at this > late stage. Over the last few day I have only just realised that > this is the SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrums last chance in the UK, if this > show fails there will be no more shows and these computers will be dead. > Sinclair QL magazines, QL Today and Quanta, only have 300 readers world > wide, yet they can manage to have 5+ successful shows in the UK each > year. While AlchNews has 600+ readers plus there is PD Power and > ZX Digest etc, and the internet based speccy users and the whole SAM > community in addition. So why when 1 speccy games are rented at > 50p for 3 days each week in the UK, can we not hold a show? The silence > from Alchemist Research is deafening. Alchnews has been quiet for ages - since Andy Davis moved over towards Bolton actually :( When was the last time an issue came out? > Shows allow people to meet and conceive new projects (free and > commercial). It show cases new technology (we have moved on from 1993) > and allows reunions of old friends. When people are coming from the > continent, why are people from the shows back yard getting cool feet? I'm going to try and make it - but it's going to be a bugger to get to :( > I can give free over night accommodation, and after the show there is > a big beer festival by CAMRA, which can be visited. The website has had > over 1200 hits in it's short existence with the number rising fast. > Manchester has a direct train to Norwich and back which my family has > used. I know some journeys take effort but you cannot get a Porsche for > the price of Ford. A lodger of mine travelled to Wales and back every > two weeks. People seem to be playing some kind of chicken thing, I will > go if you do. People are talking about next year, but there will not be > a next year at this rate. > There is still a regular ZX81 show in Germany, congratulations ZX-TEAM, > are we really saying that we are deader than a computer that has no sound, > no colour, virtually no graphics and has the poorest keyboard out? Did I > mention the wobbly RAM pack? That was the Spectrum as well :) > I created this show because I believe in retro computers, and have just > collected a commercially made sign for the show. Hope to see you there, > hope my straight talking has not offended anyone, it is not just a > response to the above email but also Sintech not coming. Sintech changing mind? That's last minute! > > -- >Tarquin Mills > > Norwich Spectrum and SAM Show (ORSAM 2003) > http://homepage.ntlworld.com/speccyverse/orsam.htm David L (5th NSSS)
Re: ORSAM Show...
- Original Message - From: "Colin Macdonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Sam Users" Sent: Sunday, October 26, 2003 11:16 PM Subject: ORSAM Show... > Greetings all, > > Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but > given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that it'll > be a decent turn out - who all's going? > > And in case anyone can't guess my next question, who's staying over and > fancies a few beverages in Norwich's finest? > > C. > Well - I dont know if it's good or bad - but me and my better half may be making it down but I've got to get up from London in the early hours of Saturday - so if there's any chance of a lift from anyone at all? (Got to try!) D
Re: ORSAM Show...
- Original Message - From: "Colin Piggot" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Sent: Monday, October 27, 2003 1:59 PM Subject: Re: ORSAM Show... > > Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but > > given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that > it'll > > be a decent turn out - who all's going? > > I'll be at the show as a trader, travelling there on the Friday due to lack > of trains early on Saturday morning. > > Colin > > Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe > Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ > Issue Six of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now! > Will miss you on the way up, as I've a concert to film the day before :(
RE: ORSAM Show...
Colin Macdonald wrote: > wanted to verify that it'll be a decent turn out - who all's going? Far from decent, but I'll be there :-) Si
Re: ORSAM Show...
On Sun, 26 Oct 2003 23:16:38 -, "Colin Macdonald" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Greetings all, > > Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but > given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that it'll > be a decent turn out - who all's going? I'll be there. I'm even giving up the last day of the beer festival to be there. Of course me being there may keep people away, but I hope not. I have limited floor space if any one needs a place to lay their head friday / sat night. I'm assuming that the wild days of drunken orgies and getting banned from clubs are over. Colin, I plan to drive off to Inverness on the 2nd if you want a free ride back (assuming you're still living that way). > And in case anyone can't guess my next question, who's staying over and > fancies a few beverages in Norwich's finest? I'm staying over - oh hang on - I live here. Sadly I've been a very lazy boy and not dug any of my sams out and made them work. I think fear of them being dead is part of the reason for that. Nev -- Nev - please note that mail to address nevilley@ will now go into a spam bucket because of excessive mail abuse. Please use one of the new addresses.
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> People seem to backing out at the last minute, what they do not seem > to appreciate is that I spent a 3 figure some on this show, not 75p > and a pack of rolos. I am not cancelling the show at this late stage. I do appreciate that you've spent a large sum of money on the show, and never would say that you haven't. > I created this show because I believe in retro computers, and have > just collected a commercially made sign for the show. Hope to see you > there, hope my straight talking has not offended anyone, it is not > just a response to the above email but also Sintech not coming. Your straight talking has not offended me, however I feel my e-mail has offended you. I'm sorry.
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27 October 2003 17:21, Tarquin Mills wrote: > People seem to backing out at the last minute, I'm still coming. > I created this show because I believe in retro computers, and have > just collected a commercially made sign for the show. Hope to see you > there, hope my straight talking has not offended anyone, Not me. Geoff This email has been scanned for all viruses by the MessageLabs Email Security System. For more information on a proactive email security service working around the clock, around the globe, visit http://www.messagelabs.com
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> On 26 Oct 03, at 23:16, Colin Macdonald wrote: > > Greetings all, > > > > Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, > > but given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify > > that it'll be a decent turn out - who all's going? > > > > And in case anyone can't guess my next question, who's staying over > > and fancies a few beverages in Norwich's finest? > > > > C. Matthew J. Craven wrote: > I have decided against going as a lot of things have come up in the > past couple of weeks. Also I investigated the train times and coach > journeys available and discovered it took an absolutely inordinate > amount of time to get the small distance from Manchester to > Norwich. :-( People seem to backing out at the last minute, what they do not seem to appreciate is that I spent a 3 figure some on this show, not 75p and a pack of rolos. I am not cancelling the show at this late stage. Over the last few day I have only just realised that this is the SAM Coupe and ZX Spectrums last chance in the UK, if this show fails there will be no more shows and these computers will be dead. Sinclair QL magazines, QL Today and Quanta, only have 300 readers world wide, yet they can manage to have 5+ successful shows in the UK each year. While AlchNews has 600+ readers plus there is PD Power and ZX Digest etc, and the internet based speccy users and the whole SAM community in addition. So why when 1 speccy games are rented at 50p for 3 days each week in the UK, can we not hold a show? The silence from Alchemist Research is deafening. Shows allow people to meet and conceive new projects (free and commercial). It show cases new technology (we have moved on from 1993) and allows reunions of old friends. When people are coming from the continent, why are people from the shows back yard getting cool feet? I can give free over night accommodation, and after the show there is a big beer festival by CAMRA, which can be visited. The website has had over 1200 hits in it's short existence with the number rising fast. Manchester has a direct train to Norwich and back which my family has used. I know some journeys take effort but you cannot get a Porsche for the price of Ford. A lodger of mine travelled to Wales and back every two weeks. People seem to be playing some kind of chicken thing, I will go if you do. People are talking about next year, but there will not be a next year at this rate. There is still a regular ZX81 show in Germany, congratulations ZX-TEAM, are we really saying that we are deader than a computer that has no sound, no colour, virtually no graphics and has the poorest keyboard out? Did I mention the wobbly RAM pack? I created this show because I believe in retro computers, and have just collected a commercially made sign for the show. Hope to see you there, hope my straight talking has not offended anyone, it is not just a response to the above email but also Sintech not coming. -- Tarquin Mills Norwich Spectrum and SAM Show (ORSAM 2003) http://homepage.ntlworld.com/speccyverse/orsam.htm
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I have decided against going as a lot of things have come up in the past couple of weeks. Also I investigated the train times and coach journeys available and discovered it took an absolutely inordinate amount of time to get the small distance from Manchester to Norwich. :-( --Matt. On 26 Oct 03, at 23:16, Colin Macdonald wrote: > Greetings all, > > Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, > but given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify > that it'll be a decent turn out - who all's going? > > And in case anyone can't guess my next question, who's staying over > and fancies a few beverages in Norwich's finest? > > C. >
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> Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but > given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that it'll > be a decent turn out - who all's going? I'll be at the show as a trader, travelling there on the Friday due to lack of trains early on Saturday morning. Colin Quazar : Hardware, Software, Spares and Repairs for the Sam Coupe Website: http://www.quazar.clara.net/sam/ Issue Six of "Sam Revival" Magazine Out Now!
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Greetings all, Am looking into options for getting down to the show at the weekend, but given it'd be a 900-odd mile round trip for me, wanted to verify that it'll be a decent turn out - who all's going? And in case anyone can't guess my next question, who's staying over and fancies a few beverages in Norwich's finest? C.
