CSSilver Wire Diameter and Weight

[Wayne Fugitt]

Evening Mike,

Darn, I was sleeping good until I had a dream about measuring and 
weighing silver wire.


I know you need to know the diameter of the wire she is using.  And the length.

Still these measurements will allow weight calculation.   I think you 
want to know the weight of a .001 layer of the diameter.  Of course 
the next .001 layer will be reduced in weight, and continue likewise.

( another volume calculation )

Unless you can weigh the exact wire she is using, my Volume Weights 
will be as good a standard as you can get, unless you create one.




Here's an idea:
Can you or anyone you know use a pair of machinist's calipers or a
micrometer to measure the diameter of your wire electrodes for us?


   I measured a piece of wire a number of places, and a number of times.

The diameter is  .063 inch.( same as the alum in my boat )
Pressure applied to the caliper can change this from  .6250 to .6350
The silver is relatively soft may be the reason.

Now the weight.My gain scale was already on the table.

A piece 1.0 inch long weighs  8.8 grains.   While my scale shows .1 
grain increments, I can see half that or even better

The piece shows 1.  inches.

The one inch piece was measured very accurately, however the cut 
causes an angle from edge to center.  I can't easily avoid that.


To see how this compares, a six inch piece weighs.
The 6 inch piece, measured with a ruler, even though the caliper goes 
to 6 inches, weighs  50.5 grains.


The scale is a Lyman Ohaus and has been checked for accuracy many 
times.  I always trust it for the purpose it was purchased and used 
over the years.


Likely the angle of the cut makes this slight difference.  I guess I 
could have somehow, made a square cut.  I don't normally do 
laboratory work, just utility grade machine stuff.


The calipers are Starrett  721.   I think it only measures 5  10/1000
not one 10/1000   but the 4 decimals look good anyway.


With a good measurement, accurate to the nearest thousanth of an inch
or so, we could calculate the approximate weight of silver that has
gone into your water.


   This may be beneficial to everyone once we establish this.
Heck, I bet some of the techo-freaks know this already.

I bet Brooks already has a chart.


If you also know the number of batches you've
made or the number of gallons of water you've used, we'd have a back-of-
the-envelope figure for the average concentration you've been
producing.
   You make it sound simple.  Now we have made all the PPM meters 
obsolete, since they were never right anyway.


  What else do I need to do?

  Weight per volume

  Volume ( Weight ) in a .001 layer   after some cross sectional 
areas are calculated.


  I use a short cut constant, in electrical wire calculations ( 
cross sectional area )  of .7854  that I came up with years ago.  It 
might not be best for these small numbers.


 The silver wire I have is . from a reliably silver supplier.  I 
have purchased 200 feet of it since I started make silver.  Likely I 
have less than 50 feet left.   Can't remember where I got it but I 
was impressed by the company long ago.


.1 grain = 6.5 mg   (  6.479892  mg  actual  )
1.0 grain = 65 mg   (  64.79892  mg actual  )

If you were going to do a lot this, I could toss together a program 
to do all the math.  grin  Likely it could be programmed into an HP-15C


Wayne




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Re: CSbetter generator?

[Ode Coyote]

  Angel
 You asked privately if you could return after almost 2 years and I agreed 
that you couldjust provide some identification so I could process the 
refund, that's all.


I fully acknowledge that MAYBE your generator isn't working 
right.  Things happen.
 I always check them out and fix them free if that's the case. But I 
wasn't allowed the opportunity to do that before you publicly dissed a more 
than perfect service record.


Even that I can put up with.
 But then you say that others are having problems but won't identify who 
those others are so I can rectify the situation...if it exists.


as though you actually NEEDED to to fabricate a generalized backup 
scenario to get what you want when you always have without argument.
 I certainly haven't heard from them and I'm ALWAYS open to solving any 
problems that might crop up, even in the middle of the night.

 You didn't mention how many hours I spent with you.
 You didn't mention that I accepted a refund request long after any 
warrantees expired.
 You didn't mention that I had sent things to you, probably with a huge 
discount if not for free.


I have never been your enemy, but all of a sudden I am yours.
 I have never been defensive, but all of a sudden you attack, not just me 
privately, but my hard earned reputation as well... and in public, 
TWICE  [There was another similar schizophrenic incident a few months ago, 
privately nice, publicly nasty ]
 I have never argued with you and never did anything BUT try to 
help,  even at my expense.

 All smiles, then suddenly off the deep end in rage. Geepers Creepers.

That is cheap, mean, unwarranted, completely unnecessary and PUBLIC slander.
 There are just no other words for it.

 All I wanted is to see what, if anything, was wrong and was willing to 
take *more* than a total loss to do it.

 I can't resell used items. Free shipping costs money. [It ain't free]
 Who is right or wrong is not my issue. Solving  problems where problems 
ARE,  is the only way to solve problems.



 Anyhow, You didn't ask for a return address. It's right on the label and 
on the website.

You didn't identify who you are, when you made the purchase, or anything.
 Am I to be a detective too?
 The refund offer still stands, but now I want proof of purchase for all 
items and all of them returned including whatever I sent for free and they 
must be in good enough shape so I can donate them to someone.

 Some good may come out of all this yet.
 Normally, I'd just take a persons word as their bond.
 You have shown yourself to be of questionable veracity.

You will, of course, take that out on me too, in as vindictive and 
unwarranted a fashion as you can dream up and magnified publicly with 
unbacked fabrications as all of your perceived and unproven problems were.

 Such is insanity.
 I think you need to go see a shrink for a distemper shot or something.
You DO have a problem I can't do anything about.

Ode




At 06:41 PM 9/21/2006 -0700, you wrote:


Ode,

Your bullying techniques won't work on me.

You are not being truthful or honorable and you know it.

You are threatening me and you are insinuating a load of dishonorable 
things about me dishonorably.


I have nothing more to say to you or your possy who's got their panties 
in a wad that a girl actually dares to speak a truth that happens to annoy 
them.


I didn't ask for this DRAMA and all these accusations from you or your posse.

I didn't complain about you or your product.  I just asked for a 
recommendation.  My post last week just stated that I needed a simple 
reommendation on other products people are using.  Nothing more !  You act 
like I attacked your manhood !


If this is what happens to anyone who DARES to say that your generator 
isn't working well, no wonder you have to ask ME for the names of the 
people unhappy with what you're selling !  If you really want to hear from 
people directly, consider following your own advice and open your mind to 
the possibility that your product is FAULTY instead of taking the easy way 
out and blaming the user.


If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll NEVER 
solve the problem.


I asked you for an address to return your unit, days ago.  Never got it. 
Don't care to deal with all your hassle about it anymore for a measly 
hundred bucks.


I'm getting my new generator and have enough people on this list who've 
contacted me off-line and offered to help right now as well as once I get 
going again with the new generator.


So, I'm all set and grateful for all the help and humor shared with me by 
so many wonderful people on this list!



Signing off.

Angel



- Original Message - From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: CSbetter generator?



  Hey
 If the silver is coming off the electrodes, there's no way in the world
it's not going into the water.
 If there is current flowing between 

Re: CSbetter generator?

[Stuff]

I've used the Silverpuppy for years without any problem and Ode is incomparable
as a manufacturer solving problems that others have had here, but you
don't want to listen.

Ode is nothing but honorable, one of the most honorable people I've dealt with.

Get your money back. I'm tired of your ad hominems.

stuff

At 08:41 PM 9/21/2006, Angel wrote:


Ode,

Your bullying techniques won't work on me.

You are not being truthful or honorable and you know it.



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Re: CShoney to faith

[Staya Udanvti Bob Butler]

I buy my honey in $16.00 half gallon jars (about three months worth) from my 
local health food store. It is stocked from local beekeepers and very good. If 
your stores do not carry it try phoning a local beekeeper and they will 
normally be very glad to help you out.

Love
Bob
Adageyudi
Staya Udanvti
  - Original Message - 
  From: Carol Ann 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 7:18 PM
  Subject: Re: CShoney to faith


  So where and how do we get the good honey?  Local bee keepers only?

  Staya Udanvti Bob Butler cheroke...@cox.net wrote:
For HONEY to be an effective herbal remedy it must be Raw, natural, 
un-processed, un-heated, un-filtered, honey. Real honey as extracted from the 
combs will contain bits of wax, pollen beads, propolis, and bee body parts. 
This will not sell in stores.

I know of no way to put the organic title to honey as the bees will travel 
up to fifty miles away. If someone is touting organic then their honey must 
come from a very remote island at least 50 miles from any other land.

Heating above 105� F kills the beneficial enzymes. Microwaving honey also 
destroys the enzymes.

Typical honey analysis: Fructose: 38%, Glucose: 31%, Sucrose: 1%, Water: 
17%, Other sugars: 9% (maltose, melezitose), Ash: 0.17% .. Source: Sugar 
Alliance 


Love
Bob
Adageyudi
Staya Udanvti

  - Original Message - 
  From: zeb caffe 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:26 PM
  Subject: CShoney to faith


  Just wondering, what does the honey do for the flora? I know that coffee 
is supposed to help detox the liver.Does honey have a different effect? Also, 
does it matter what type of honey you use? 

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RE: CSbetter generator?

[Dan Nave]

 Boy, I wonder if any CS generator manufacturers are lining up to sell
their product to this one?...

(I pity the fool.)


-Original Message-
From: toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com
[mailto:toreadpeoplehealthi...@gmail.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:42 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSbetter generator?

Ode,

Your bullying techniques won't work on me.

You are not being truthful or honorable and you know it.

You are threatening me and you are insinuating a load of dishonorable
things about me dishonorably.

I have nothing more to say to you or your possy who's got their
panties in a wad that a girl actually dares to speak a truth that
happens to annoy them.

I didn't ask for this DRAMA and all these accusations from you or your
posse.

I didn't complain about you or your product.  I just asked for a
recommendation.  My post last week just stated that I needed a simple
reommendation on other products people are using.  Nothing more !  You
act like I attacked your manhood !

If this is what happens to anyone who DARES to say that your generator
isn't working well, no wonder you have to ask ME for the names of the
people unhappy with what you're selling !  If you really want to hear
from people directly, consider following your own advice and open your
mind to the possibility that your product is FAULTY instead of taking
the easy way out and blaming the user.

If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll
NEVER solve the problem.

I asked you for an address to return your unit, days ago.  Never got it.

Don't care to deal with all your hassle about it anymore for a measly
hundred bucks.

I'm getting my new generator and have enough people on this list who've
contacted me off-line and offered to help right now as well as once I
get going again with the new generator.

So, I'm all set and grateful for all the help and humor shared with me
by so many wonderful people on this list!


Signing off.

Angel



- Original Message - 
From: Ode Coyote odecoy...@alltel.net
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 5:54 AM
Subject: Re: CSbetter generator?


   Hey
  If the silver is coming off the electrodes, there's no way in the
world
 it's not going into the water.
  If there is current flowing between the electrodes, it has to make
silver
 ions to do it.
  Since the LED is hooked up in series with the electrodes in a
silverpuppy
 and SHOWS that ions are entering the water which it must do for
current to
 flow, if that LED is lit, it MUST be making ions in that water.
 If the LED isn't lit up, there's no way the electrodes will erode.
  There's just no way around that.

 If the LED lights up and the electrodes DON'T go away, that could be
due
 to water inside the generator. [Which will eventually kill the
generator]
  That current is going somewhere.
  If the LED lights up when the electrodes AREN'T in the water, the
 generator is full of water and we'll go from there.

  Either your problem is in the way you measure the PPM.
 Or where the silver  *wound up* after it entered the water.
  It's there somewhere !
  If the bottom of the generator is all silvery, that's where it went
and
 where it will continue to go because the container was repeatedly
filled
 too full and the *operator* shorted the process out.
 In all such cases, it's operator error of the machine, or the
instruments.

  Have these other people contact me.
  Those who have, received satisfaction.
  I'll fix any machine that's really broken, regardless of reason, or
lack
 there-of...but sending in a machine that's not really broken is
absolutely
 pointless.

 98 times out of a hundred, it's the operator that needs the trouble
 shooting.
   Another 1.98% is a broken machine because the operator didn't get
the
 troubleshooting soon enough.
  .02% is plain old *out of the blue*  failure of some part.
 It doesn't matter which...I'll fix whatever CAN be fixed.
  I can't fix a persons head without their co-operation.

 Believe this:  There is no limit to perceptual error and resulting
logical
 error.
  I've had more than one person call and ask why a spot of paint no
longer
 lights up. [If you ever really DID see that spot of paint light up,
tell
 me how you got it to. I'll share the riches! ]
 One even saw the red LED light up several times when the first thing
they
 did was to put the power supply in their junk drawer.
  There was no red LED on that machine. [It was yellow and can't light
up
 unless you plug something in]

  Even the smartest people can do incredibly idiotic things and never
even
 consider that they are being the idiots.
  Everyone does it now and then, myself not excepted.
  That's human nature.

  I don't know who said this but it's true enough.
 Nothing is foolproof to the sufficiently talented fool.

  I know this from experience:
 If I insist that the root of a problem lies where it doesn't, I'll
NEVER
 solve the problem.
  The very first place to look is 

Re: CSChronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease or COPD

[Staya Udanvti Bob Butler]

The cream of tartar recipe was for quitting smoking. 1/2 tsp cream of tartar in 
8 oz orange juice before bed.

Love
Bob
Adageyudi
Staya Udanvti
  - Original Message - 
  From: Sharlene Miyamura 
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 9:07 PM
  Subject: RE: CSChronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease or COPD


  I'm sorry I missed this one, what is the recipe, again, please? And what is 
the dosage for COPD?

  Thank you!

   


--

  From: Staya Udanvti Bob Butler [mailto:cheroke...@cox.net] 


   

  Hi All!

   

  I found cream of tarter on the bulk herb site I have used for quit a while 
and I really like their prices and service:

  
http://www.herbalcom.com/store.php3?list=catssession=096990262a1af425c786904bb888d717

  cream of tartar $5.50# plus $5.50 S/H no cost for freight.

  

   

RE: CShoney to faith

[Dan Nave]

You know, I kind of wonder about this.
 
Heating honey may deactivate some enzymes and so on and make it ineffective for 
certain things.
However, even sugar is supposed to have beneficial effects when put onto a 
wound, drawing and 
sterilizing, so I would think that honey would at least work in a similar 
manner, regardless of whether 
it has been heated or not.
 
Dan



From: Staya Udanvti Bob Butler [mailto:cheroke...@cox.net] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:13 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CShoney to faith


For HONEY to be an effective herbal remedy it must be Raw, natural, 
un-processed, un-heated, un-filtered, honey. Real honey as extracted from the 
combs will contain bits of wax, pollen beads, propolis, and bee body parts. 
This will not sell in stores.
 
I know of no way to put the organic title to honey as the bees will travel up 
to fifty miles away. If someone is touting organic then their honey must come 
from a very remote island at least 50 miles from any other land.
 
Heating above 105³ F kills the beneficial enzymes. Microwaving honey also 
destroys the enzymes.
 
Typical honey analysis: Fructose: 38%, Glucose: 31%, Sucrose: 1%, Water: 17%, 
Other sugars: 9% (maltose, melezitose), Ash: 0.17% .. Source: Sugar 
Alliance 

 
Love
Bob
Adageyudi
Staya Udanvti
 

- Original Message - 
From: zeb caffe mailto:jamaki...@yahoo.com  
To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2006 9:26 PM
Subject: CShoney to faith

Just wondering, what does the honey do for the flora? I know that 
coffee is supposed to help detox the liver.Does honey have a different effect? 
Also, does it matter what type of honey you use? 




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RE: CSSimple Generator, ONE more component

[Dan Nave]

Hi John,

Yes, it was John that had indicated that to me.  
 
I am using a system quite similar to John's but 
not upped to the multiple gallon setup yet...  
Seems to work pretty good.

I am also using a copper plate for the cathode.  
I remove this after the electrolysis is complete.
Haven't noted any problem with doing it this way 
although I wouldn't be able to do any polarity 
switching unless I get another silver electrode...

Dan

-Original Message-
From: John McLean [mailto:h...@bigpond.net.au] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 8:29 PM
To: Dan Nave
Subject: Re: CSSimple Generator, ONE more component

Dan,
I constructed a CS generator along those lines and I found that whilst
the smaller cathode does effectively reduce the current, the downer is
that one has to Baby-sit the process. This was one luxury I couldn't
afford.
I then increased the size of the cathode to the same size of the anode,
and used a current regulated power supply.
Ole Bob (Bob Berger?) was adamant that my setup wasn't going to produce
good quality CS, but an observation of the uS, voltage  current proved
otherwise. He subsequently admitted that current regulation was OK.
I was making 25 litres of CS at a time.
If anyone wants a copy of the graph of the uS, Voltage  current of my
setup let me know.

John in Australia
:
: Ole Bob said you could run an unregulated voltage supply without
: controls and stop when the current reached a particular level.  I have
: found that this makes me stop before I reach the concentration I want
: because I end up having too much current density for my electrodes.
: I wonder if this works if you use a large anode and a small cathode as
: he was recommending, someone said that this effectively limited the
: current.
:


:
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Re: CShoney to faith

[Carol Ann]

Bob,
Considering the cost of filtered processed honeywhat you pay is a bargain.
I'll see if there are local beekeepers around. Thanks. 

Staya Udanvti  Bob Butler cheroke...@cox.net wrote: I buy my honey in 
$16.00 half gallon jars (about  three months worth) from my local health food 
store. It is stocked from  local beekeepers and very good. If your stores do 
not carry it try phoning a  local beekeeper and they will normally be very glad 
to help you  out.
  
 Love
Bob
Adageyudi
Staya  Udanvti
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RE: CSEczema question

[Dan Nave]

First of all, try Colloidal Silver... ;-))



From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 10:45 PM
To: cs
Subject: CSEczema question


Can anyone advise on the subject of eczemaI have a medic at work who
is thinking she is developing a allergy to the gloves we use but it has
just started happening in the last three months and she has tried using
all the different types of gloves that we have...powder free...latex
free...she says she has not changed her diet and has even fasted and
detoxed too to no availis there something she could apply topically
or take orally that is not prescription?
thanks in advance debbie



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Re: CSEczema question

[gailevans]

Hulda Clark believes that all psoriasis and eczema are caused by ascaris. See 
The Cure for All Diseases. There is a complete PDF of this book in PDF form 
(searchable) at:
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 Deborah Gerard devorah...@yahoo.com wrote: 
Can anyone advise on the subject of eczemaI have a medic at work who is 
thinking she is developing a allergy to the gloves we use but it has just 
started happening in the last three months and she has tried using all the 
different types of gloves that we have...powder free...latex free...she says 
she has not changed her diet and has even fasted and detoxed too to no 
availis there something she could apply topically or take orally that is 
not prescription?
  thanks in advance debbie


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CSRe: silver-digest Digest V2006 #643

[Charles Marcus]

Wow Charles!
Where did you get your information on honey?


Many different sources over many years...

I hate to correct you but ALL honey is a liquid or fluid at room 
temperature until it crystallizes from water evaporation.


True enough, but this generally happens within hours of when the honey 
is packaged, so anyone 'buying' honey will buy it in crystallized form.


But you are technically correct... :)

Buying local honey from a small beekeeper will almost assure you it 
is raw and probably un-filtered.


Actually, even many small producers heat their honey, because it is much 
easier to work with (packaging, etc) than raw honey. But if you buy it 
direct, at least you can ask questions, and actually see their operation 
(so if you use your eyes, you'll know whether or not they're lying about 
whether or not they heat their honey).


I can almost guarantee you most of the commercial honey you buy in 
the grocery store has been filtered and heated simply to enhance the 
looks and ease of container filling processes. Real honey has bits of 
wax, propolis, pollen beads, and bee body parts when centrifugally 
extracted.


Yep - but as I said, 'Really Raw' and 'YS Organics' are the only two 
commercial brands that I know of that are really raw. So, for anyone who 
doesn't have the option of a local producer, it is the next best thing...


Charles


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CSRe: macular degeneration ??s

[Charles Marcus]

Dear Folks,
Does anyone have any input about macular degeneration?
I have a small spot in the center of the vision of my right eye. It 
isn`t diagnosed yet, but could be MD.


There are two ways that I know of that you can pretty much cure macular 
degeneration (and even those annoying 'floaters')...


1. Dr, Schulze's Eyewash.

Some people can't do this, because it contains cayenne extract (so it 
stings like crazy), but this stuff will work miracles if you use it long 
enough. Cataracts, floaters, and even well advanced macular degeneration 
can be healed/reversed if you give it enogh time.


2. Ozone insufflation in the ears.

You have to use a medical grade ozone generator (takes a pure oxygen 
source), and follow the protocol, but it works. The cleanisng effects 
can be quite unpleasant though - nast gunk oozing out of your ears, etc, 
but this will cure pretty much any/all headsinus related problems, 
including brain tumors.


Google on either of the above (google is your friend)...

Charles


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CSHoney Temperatures

[Wayne Fugitt]

Morning Dan,


You know, I kind of wonder about this.
Heating honey may deactivate some enzymes and so on and make it 
ineffective for certain things.


I just called my beekeeper to verify his heating temperature.
He said he sets the control on 110 deg and it reaches 115 max.

He has 27 hives on my property.

His processing plant looks like it is ready for a USDA inspection at any time.
You could eat off the floor.   It is amazingly clean.

He has many barrels of honey.  A friend asked him how long the honey 
would keep.


He replied,   3000 years.

Wayne

Re: CSCigarette addiction

[Duncan Crow]

The herb salvia divinorum is being used occasionally, once or 
twice a week, to reduce the need for nicotine and other addicting 
substances. It's scientifically proven and Big Pharma is actively 
developing analogues for the active ingredient.

Duncan
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia_kappa_opioid.html

On 22 Sep 2006 at 0:14, Ian Roe wrote:

 I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco 
 addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin addiction.  


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RE: CSmacular degeneration ??s

[ransley]

Marshalee-

Google macular degeneration vegetable oil and Australia. 

Daddybob


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CSRe: Eczema question

[Charles Marcus]

Can anyone advise on the subject of eczemaI have a medic at work 
who is thinking she is developing a allergy to the gloves we use but 
it has just started happening in the last three months and she has 
tried using all the different types of gloves that we have...powder 
free...latex free...she says she has not changed her diet and has 
even fasted and detoxed too to no availis there something she 
could apply topically or take orally that is not prescription?

thanks in advance debbie


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CSRe: Cigarette addiction

[Charles Marcus]

I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco 
addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin 
addiction.  A lot of people don't know that.


I have heard this many times, but it is not always the case.

I smoked 2-3 packs a day for many years (about 12), before I quit for good.

I quit *many* times, sometimes for an hour or two, sometimes for a day 
or two, sometimes for a week or two, and sometimes for many months... 
and yes, I had all of the classic withdrawal symptoms everyone who has 
ever quit has experienced BUT...


The 2 times I quit for longer than a month or two, I did it without any 
withdrawals at all - NONE. The first time I stayed quit for about 6 
months, and the second was the last time I ever smoked, about 19 years ago.


I don't begin to understand WHY it was like this, but these two times, 
it was completely and totally effortless.



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Re: CSRe: Cigarette addiction

[gailevans]

It has been reported that the tobacco companies are now producing the 
cigarettes to be more addictive. See this article from the Washington Post:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/09/10/AR2006091000896.html

ge
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 Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org wrote: 
 I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco 
 addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin 
 addiction.  A lot of people don't know that.


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RE: CSmacular degeneration ??s

[Carol Ann]

Supposedly, Ozone ear insuflation as well. 

ransley rans...@atmc.net wrote: Marshalee-

Google macular degeneration vegetable oil and Australia. 

Daddybob


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RE: CShoney to faith

[Ed Kasper]

I thought part of the healing power of Honey or Sugar for external
application was in the osmosis (spelling) the drawing in/sealing off the
wound. Sorta dehydrates the infection. If that were the case the
microbogicaly activity would not matter. Although IMO, everything helps, and
Raw is optimum.

Ed Kasper  LAc.
  -Original Message-
  From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com]
  Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:58 AM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: RE: CShoney to faith


  You know, I kind of wonder about this.

  Heating honey may deactivate some enzymes and so on and make it
ineffective for certain things.
  However, even sugar is supposed to have beneficial effects when put onto a
wound, drawing and
  sterilizing, so I would think that honey would at least work in a similar
manner, regardless of whether
  it has been heated or not.

  Dan




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  From: Staya Udanvti Bob Butler [mailto:cheroke...@cox.net]
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:13 PM
  To: silver-list@eskimo.com
  Subject: Re: CShoney to faith


  For HONEY to be an effective herbal remedy it must be Raw, natural,
un-processed, un-heated, un-filtered, honey. Real honey as extracted from
the combs will contain bits of wax, pollen beads, propolis, and bee body
parts. This will not sell in stores.

  I know of no way to put the organic title to honey as the bees will travel
up to fifty miles away. If someone is touting organic then their honey must
come from a very remote island at least 50 miles from any other land.

  Heating above 105³ F kills the beneficial enzymes. Microwaving honey also
destroys the enzymes.

  Typical honey analysis: Fructose: 38%, Glucose: 31%, Sucrose: 1%, Water:
17%, Other sugars: 9% (maltose, melezitose), Ash: 0.17% .. Source: Sugar
  Alliance 


  Love
  Bob
  Adageyudi
  Staya Udanvti

CSCigarette addiction

[oldgl...@bigcountry.net]

Hi,

Why of course.  They watch what is going on and if they smell money, the
'whatever' becomes a Class 4 drug, then it comes on the market under another
name.  

Lunesta is a prime example.  It is tweaked (twisted).

Rozerem is another.  It is tweaked melatonin.  The twisted natural product
now carries side effects.

Do they care what we think?  Not a bit.

Jean

**
 
 The herb salvia divinorum is being used occasionally, once or
 twice a week, to reduce the need for nicotine and other addicting
 substances. It's scientifically proven and Big Pharma is actively
 developing analogues for the active ingredient.
 
 Duncan
 http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia_kappa_opioid.html
 
 On 22 Sep 2006 at 0:14, Ian Roe wrote:
 
 I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco
 addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin addiction.
 
 
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Re: CSbetter generator?

[Tony Moody]

Hi Angel,

To state the very obvious : 

If the silver rods are quickly getting thinner then 'silver water' is being 
made fast.  

This is a basic logical, scientific fact and you have to honour that. In other 
words that Silver 
Puppy is doing its work. So, go check the ppm some other way. Plug the numbers 
into the 
Faraday equation would be one way to get a ball park figure (see recent posts ) 
Another way 
would be to send a sample to a reputable laboratory. I believe Frank Key also 
does 
analyses. Try http://www.silver-colloids.com/

Excuse the rudeness but it is my reaction to you are acting like a rude troll. 

Tony

Have you ever noticed how bullies talk about being bullied ?

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Subject : Re: CSbetter generator?

 Ode,
 
 Your bullying techniques won't work on me.
 


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RE: CSCigarette addiction

[Dan Nave]

 Duncan,

How is the Salvia administered for this use?  Is it smoked?  
Chewed quid? Straight leaf or concentrate?
Does one have to get off on it in order to have effects?

I was thinking that CS might be very useful to growers to 
combat the susceptibility to root rot.

Dan


-Original Message-
From: Duncan Crow [mailto:duncanc...@shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:54 AM
To: Ian Roe; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCigarette addiction

The herb salvia divinorum is being used occasionally, once or twice a
week, to reduce the need for nicotine and other addicting substances.
It's scientifically proven and Big Pharma is actively developing
analogues for the active ingredient.

Duncan
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia_kappa_opioid.html

On 22 Sep 2006 at 0:14, Ian Roe wrote:

 I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco 
 addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin
addiction.



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Re: CSCigarette addiction

[Rich Adams]

- Original Message - 


The herb salvia divinorum is being used occasionally, once or
twice a week, to reduce the need for nicotine and other addicting
substances.


It is also being outlawed in some states.  I think MO is one state.

Google videos have a bunch of clips showing users getting off using this 
stuff.


You can read more about that stuff, and order some, here:

sagewisdom.org

I love the testimonials there.

Rich Adams



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CSRe: Re: CSCigarette addiction

[noblemetals]

I think that 47.2% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
 
 From: Ian Roe ian_onta...@hotmail.com
 Date: 2006/09/22 Fri AM 12:14:11 EDT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: Re: CSCigarette addiction
 
 I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco 
 addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin addiction.  A 
 lot of people don't know that.  Secondly, a lot of well meaning people who 
 have never gone through addiction tell the smoker that if they just quit 
 smoking everything will be ok.  - and they know it isn't because when they 
 quit smoking everything is terrible. If only for the process of healing 
 itself which takes a month for every year of smoking.  Addicts get a feeling 
 just before they engage their habits.  The habits are their way of 
 eliminating that feeling.  The feeling is more of a problem than the habit. 
 Acknowledgement of those feelings is a first step, but addicts have been 
 constantly told the substance is the problem and that's not true, the 
 subtance use is only a symptom of the problem.  Addicts don't think the 
 feelings are the problem because well meaning people have told them the 
 tobacco or the alcohol was the problem and they fell for it because as long 
 as they can blame it on the subtance, they don't have to face the 
 responsibility for the way they feel. Like Terry Said, EFT   www.emofree.com 
 is very effective at dealing with those feelings, one at a time and EFT also 
 deals with the polarity reversals in chronic problems.  Also the brain tuner 
 is 50% effective at eliminating tobacco addiction (95% with heroin), because 
 of the difference already mentioned. see www.sotainstruments.com  But they 
 still have to deal with those 'feelings'.  Non addicts get the feelings too 
 but deal with them in other ways that are not always healthy either - as 
 they may be obsessive compulsive or have some other neurosis.
 
 
 Ian Roe
 
 
 - Original Message - 
 From: Terry Chamberlin tcj...@yahoo.ca
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Sent: Monday, September 18, 2006 8:26 AM
 Subject: CSCigarette addiction
 
 
  Scott,
  EFT is very, very effective against cigarette
  addiction. For your wife, you should look into it.
 
  www.emofree.com
 
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Re: CSCigarette addiction

[Carol Ann]

The users shown are mostly juvenile, and apparently irresponsible.  As with any 
substance be it herbs, alcohol, food, drugs (legal or otherwise), self- 
responsibility is a major consideration.
People are prone to abuse or subject anything that brings an altered state of 
mind to the level of  casual recreation.  

I always find it interesting.kids are conditioned from an early age by 
watching adults.   Adults are often very irresponsible. Suddenly, at the age of 
18 or 21 juvenilles are granted the ability to make responsible choices and are 
believed to have the wisdom to know the difference. 

If you research the Herb further and not be swayed by the cheaper, irreverent 
sensationalism portrayed in the home videos you will find it has many uses. 

Rich Adams r...@kc.rr.com wrote: - Original Message - 

 The herb salvia divinorum is being used occasionally, once or
 twice a week, to reduce the need for nicotine and other addicting
 substances.

It is also being outlawed in some states.  I think MO is one state.

Google videos have a bunch of clips showing users getting off using this 
stuff.

You can read more about that stuff, and order some, here:

sagewisdom.org

I love the testimonials there.

Rich Adams



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RE: CSCigarette addiction

[Carol Ann]

Dan,
No doubt Duncan will reply. But hopefully you will not mind if I add my own 
comments as well.  With Salvia one does not get off in the usual sense 
associated with drugs such as Marijuana, meth, cocaine, etc.  Nor is there any 
addiction associated with its use.   If anything, I have found it to be 
relaxing, affording one the ability to gently see and feel what is otherwise 
obscured by the rigors and demands of everyday stress, tension and external 
diversions.



Dan Nave dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com wrote:  Duncan,

How is the Salvia administered for this use?  Is it smoked?  
Chewed quid? Straight leaf or concentrate?
Does one have to get off on it in order to have effects?

I was thinking that CS might be very useful to growers to 
combat the susceptibility to root rot.

Dan


-Original Message-
From: Duncan Crow [mailto:duncanc...@shaw.ca] 
Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 10:54 AM
To: Ian Roe; silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CSCigarette addiction

The herb salvia divinorum is being used occasionally, once or twice a
week, to reduce the need for nicotine and other addicting substances.
It's scientifically proven and Big Pharma is actively developing
analogues for the active ingredient.

Duncan
http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/salvia_kappa_opioid.html

On 22 Sep 2006 at 0:14, Ian Roe wrote:

 I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco 
 addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin
addiction.



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Re: CSCigarette addiction

[Craig C Chamberlin]

Hi Carol Ann,

No doubt Duncan will reply. But hopefully you will not mind if I add my 
own comments as well.  With Salvia one does not get off in the usual 
sense associated with drugs such as Marijuana, meth, cocaine, etc. Nor 
is there any addiction associated with its use.   If anything, I have 
found it to be relaxing, affording one the ability to gently see and 
feel what is otherwise obscured by the rigors and demands of everyday 
stress, tension and external diversions.


How much are you using and what strength? I have found it to be a 
profound experience, with intense visual and auditory components, and 
movement to where I am no longer in 3D space. I was using 8X.  Do you 
experience the sweating, etc.


Unfortunately, I cannot tolerate the intensity of the smoke nor the 
tincture anymore.  But I have just found The Bukket which may be ok 
because the smoke is cold (I know about the other cold smoke thingies, 
but haven't taken the time to make one).


http://www.bukket.com  just for your info, no involvement personally or 
in any other way, except have purchased one:)


FWIW,

Craig


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Re: CSCigarette addiction

[Norm]

My thoughts on addiction ...In my own experiences and
memories it seems that addictions sometimes can start
in early childhood and there are many that come to
mind ..based on a need to be happy ,feel good ,to be
free of painful things and always searching for the
ultimate high...tobacco was hard to put away and
forget ...and also I must attest to the fact that
addiction doesn't lesson up as I age ...I just had a
coffee and two chocolate cookies ...while celebrating
the fact that I am now a senior citizen ...  :O)
with respect
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Re: CSEczema question

[Denise Every]

Evening primrose oil can help with eczema... it has to be taken for a few weeks 
before you'll see a response, but I do know it has helped and cleared up eczema 
completely.  It needs to be taken regularly, if you stop it the eczema can 
return.  

It also seems for some people that warmth/humidity can make eczema flare, I 
know of some who are fine during the winter but have problems with it during 
the humid summer months, when it can flare up wildly.  It may be that the 
airtight nature of the gloves in general holds in enough heat and humidity to 
contribute to the situation.  

And for what it's worth, I know of some people who never had eczema and then 
developed it in their perimenopausal period with all the hormonal changes, 
don't know if it pertains to your medic, but one more thing to consider.  

Denise
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  - Original Message - 
  From: Deborah Gerard 
  To: cs 
  Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 11:45 PM
  Subject: CSEczema question


  Can anyone advise on the subject of eczemaI have a medic at work who is 
thinking she is developing a allergy to the gloves we use but it has just 
started happening in the last three months and she has tried using all the 
different types of gloves that we have...powder free...latex free...she says 
she has not changed her diet and has even fasted and detoxed too to no 
availis there something she could apply topically or take orally that is 
not prescription?
  thanks in advance debbie


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CSRe: RE: CShoney to faith

[noblemetals]

Honey produces H2O2  when in contact with germs.  
 
 From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net
 Date: 2006/09/22 Fri PM 12:36:24 EDT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CShoney to faith
 
 I thought part of the healing power of Honey or Sugar for external
 application was in the osmosis (spelling) the drawing in/sealing off the
 wound. Sorta dehydrates the infection. If that were the case the
 microbogicaly activity would not matter. Although IMO, everything helps, and
 Raw is optimum.
 
 Ed Kasper  LAc.
   -Original Message-
   From: Dan Nave [mailto:dan.n...@nilfisk-advance.com]
   Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 7:58 AM
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: RE: CShoney to faith
 
 
   You know, I kind of wonder about this.
 
   Heating honey may deactivate some enzymes and so on and make it
 ineffective for certain things.
   However, even sugar is supposed to have beneficial effects when put onto a
 wound, drawing and
   sterilizing, so I would think that honey would at least work in a similar
 manner, regardless of whether
   it has been heated or not.
 
   Dan
 
 
 
 
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   From: Staya Udanvti Bob Butler [mailto:cheroke...@cox.net]
   Sent: Thursday, September 21, 2006 3:13 PM
   To: silver-list@eskimo.com
   Subject: Re: CShoney to faith
 
 
   For HONEY to be an effective herbal remedy it must be Raw, natural,
 un-processed, un-heated, un-filtered, honey. Real honey as extracted from
 the combs will contain bits of wax, pollen beads, propolis, and bee body
 parts. This will not sell in stores.
 
   I know of no way to put the organic title to honey as the bees will travel
 up to fifty miles away. If someone is touting organic then their honey must
 come from a very remote island at least 50 miles from any other land.
 
   Heating above 105³ F kills the beneficial enzymes. Microwaving honey also
 destroys the enzymes.
 
   Typical honey analysis: Fructose: 38%, Glucose: 31%, Sucrose: 1%, Water:
 17%, Other sugars: 9% (maltose, melezitose), Ash: 0.17% .. Source: Sugar
   Alliance 
 
 
   Love
   Bob
   Adageyudi
   Staya Udanvti
 
 


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Re: CSRe: Cigarette addiction

[debbiegerard99]

I don't know if it is harder today or not...I watched my wonderful grandfather 
die 25 years ago of lung cancer and it scared the heck out of me...I took up 
knitting and quit and at that time had no problemsdeb

-- Original message -- 
From: Charles Marcus tansta...@libertytrek.org 

  I missed the orginal post but I want to point out here that tobacco 
  addictiction is 4 1/2 times harder to get out of than heroin 
  addiction. A lot of people don't know that. 
 
 I have heard this many times, but it is not always the case. 
 
 I smoked 2-3 packs a day for many years (about 12), before I quit for good. 
 
 I quit *many* times, sometimes for an hour or two, sometimes for a day 
 or two, sometimes for a week or two, and sometimes for many months... 
 and yes, I had all of the classic withdrawal symptoms everyone who has 
 ever quit has experienced BUT... 
 
 The 2 times I quit for longer than a month or two, I did it without any 
 withdrawals at all - NONE. The first time I stayed quit for about 6 
 months, and the second was the last time I ever smoked, about 19 years ago. 
 
 I don't begin to understand WHY it was like this, but these two times, 
 it was completely and totally effortless. 
 
 
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CS[RE]CSHoney Temperatures:COMMENT

[Brooks Bradley]

Interesting commentary.  Some years ago we evaluated the effects of rising temperatures on the enzymatic components of unprocessed honey.  Without boring the group with non-essential details I summarize our findings.  No detectable damage up to 120 degrees F.  Minor enzymatic instability of one component at approximately 125 degrees.  Complete inactivation of one and partial instability of another enzyme by the time 130 degrees was encountered.
Major damage to all enzyme groups at 140 degrees.  Complete inactivation of all enzyme groups manifested at 145 degrees F.These results were, almost, universally repeatable.
  I hope these comments are of value to list members.
 Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley  

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>Date : Fri, 22 Sep 2006 10:51:19 -0500
>From : Wayne Fugitt 
>To : silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>Morning Dan,
>
>>You know, I kind of wonder about this.
>>Heating honey may deactivate some enzymes and so on and make it 
>>ineffective for certain things.
>
> I just called my beekeeper to verify his heating temperature.
>He said he sets the control on 110 deg and it reaches 115 max.
>
>He has 27 hives on my property.
>
>His processing plant looks like it is ready for a USDA inspection at any time.
>You could eat off the floor.   It is amazingly clean.
>
>He has many barrels of honey.  A friend asked him how long the honey 
>would keep.
>
>He replied,   3000 years.
>
>Wayne
>
>



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RE: CSRe: RE: CShoney to faith

[Ed Kasper]

with germs do you mean any microbes, fungus, viral,
bacteria, etc... Is the water the hydrate from the microbes,
so it would kill by dehydrating the microbes?

Ed

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From: noblemet...@bellsouth.net
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Sent: Friday, September 22, 2006 2:14 PM
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Honey produces H2O2  when in contact with germs.

 From: Ed Kasper edkas...@pacbell.net
 Date: 2006/09/22 Fri PM 12:36:24 EDT
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com
 Subject: RE: CShoney to faith

 I thought part of the healing power of Honey or Sugar for
external
 application was in the osmosis (spelling) the drawing
in/sealing off the
 wound. Sorta dehydrates the infection. If that were the
case the
 microbogicaly activity would not matter. Although IMO,
everything helps, and
 Raw is optimum.

 Ed Kasper  LAc.


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