Re: CScs:missing materia medica
Dear David, Try this one. http://www.homeoint.org/books/boericmm/index.htm ..suddenly, Fri or Sat, the Booericke Materia Medica seems to have disappeared from the web ??? this was one way I was able to get to it: http://data.widgetworks.com:591/boericke/ Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni)
Hi All, I'm not sure who said the following but it's misinformation. It never happened. The information here has been circulating in one form or another for years now. At first it was The World Environmental Conference and the person who spoke was Nancy Markle. Nancy Markle is a fictitious person. Then it was attributed to Betty Martini. Martini herself states she never spoke at such a conference. Re: CSLive Bacteria (Joni) Joni-- you may not know, but at a world conference on MS in 2003 it was pretty much decided that aspertame was the culprit. It is in 5000 food products. ** Here is more misinformation. nancym...@prodigy.net 11/1/2004 8:33:31 PM MS is a virus. It is a mycoplasma, That is why it can be cured with CS. It has nothng to do with aspertame. It is a man made viruswww.rain-tree.com/myco.htm ** I refer to this as misinformation for several reasons. MS is a very difficult disease to diagnose and cannot be confirmed until after death. Nancy, who insists that MS is a virus, was far from definitively diagnosed as having MS. The belief that MS is a vius is just that--a belief. To go on to say that it is a mycoplasma only illlustrates the error in thinking. Mycoplasma is not a virus. Unlike viruses, mycoplasmas can grow inside any living tissue cell without killing the cells. My only interest here is in not misleading people who come here looking for information that don't have the background to evaluate the information being given. Someday, the proper information could be the difference between life and death. Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSQuestion about coconuts...
Dear Nancy, You said: For a cheaper source of coconut oil, I found some at the local Asian market, only $4 for a pint. I can't say anything about the processing or purity, but it is deodorized, so it doesn't interfere with the taste of food with that strong coconut taste. I like cooking eggplant with it, as eggplant can really soak up the oil, but CO with a strong coconut taste makes the eggplant taste unpleasant. I also like to put CO on popcorn, mixed with butter, and topped with Brewer's yeast and/or Parmesan cheese or blue cheese seasoning powder ** This is the type of coconut oil you want to avoid. Deodorizing requires a high degree of processing. You may want to read the opinion of an internationally recognized expert on lipids. http://www.westonaprice.org/know_your_fats/coconut_oil.html Other sources are: http://www.mercola.com/2003/sep/13/coconut_oil.htm Most commercial grade coconut oils are made from copra. Copra is basically the dried kernel (meat) of the coconut. It can be made by: smoke drying, sun drying, or kiln drying , or derivatives or a combination of these three. If standard copra is used as a starting material, the unrefined coconut oil extracted from copra is not suitable for consumption and must be purified, that is refined. This is because the way most copra is dried is very unsanitary. Most of the copra is dried under the sun in the open air, where it is exposed to insects and molds. The standard end product made from copra is RBD coconut oil. RBD stands for refined, bleached, and deodorized. Both high heat and chemicals (e.g. solvent extractions) are used in this method. When referring to RBD refined oils, there are two main processes: chemical extraction using solvent extracts, or the older physical/mechanical processing. RBD oil is also sometimes hydrogenated or partially hydrogenated. Hydrogenated oils have been shown to increase serum cholesterol levels which contribute to heart disease. One of the main differences between Virgin Coconut oil and refined coconut oils is the scent and taste. All Virgin Coconut Oils retain the fresh scent and taste of coconuts, whereas the copra-based refined coconut oils have no taste at all due to the refining process. Some grades of refined copra-based oils are also now sold that have a coconut flavor, but are usually bitter and have a burnt taste to it. http://www.coconut-info.com/what_is_virgin_coconut_oil.htm Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLyme Disease
Tel and Catherine and anyone else, do you know if these levels of salt recommended in this regime-see link below- (12grams a day) are safe to take? Would they not be a problem for BP and kidneys? ** If a person doesn't have kidney problems or elevated BP there should be no problem. J Rigby also made an excellent point about the quality of salt. The salt recommended for this was not table salt but salt tablets. There is a world of difference in these. I can't speak to the efficacy of this (Vit C and salt tabs) but I think it is worth a try for a reasonably healthy person rather than a course of antibiotics for a year which is bound to leave permanent damage to the body. Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLyme Disease
Many thanks to Dudley, Bill, and Tel for links to CS, and Vit C and salt tabs for treating Lyme disease. My client is going to be thrilled to see these. Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSLyme Disease
Dear List Members, I'm looking for data that supports the use of CS for Lyme disease. If I recall correctly someone was collecting data on this. Any assistance would be appreciated. Thanks! Regards, Catherine -- The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUltrasonic Nebulizer and CS
Ole Bob said: It sound to me that you are in the same mess that I am, ready for CHF or Congenitive Heart Failure. My heart output has dropped for 57% in 1997 to 20% now!! Below 25% and we become a real hazard. You can help by taking 200 mg of CoQ10 three times per day. ** I agree with Bob on the CoQ10. Another thing that many are finding quite helpful is a flower essence of Cactus Grandiflorus. I've used it successfully with several people. You might want to take a look at this monograph on it: http://www.swsbm.com/ManualsOther/Selenicereus-Lloyd.PDF Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNeuropathy
Dear Patti, You said: I have a friend that has neuropathy in her feet, at times so bad that she cannot walk. She drank diet sodas for years and used NutraSweet in everything until a couple years ago. Has anyone heard of the Aspertame causing neuropathy and does anyone know of anything that might help ** MSM has been demonstrated to be quite effective in treating neuropathy and is recommended by many endocrinologists. If it is diabetic neuropathy, alpha lipoic acid has also been demonstated to be effective. Regards, Catherineimage/gif
Re: CSUsing Silver with Horses/nebulizing
Dear Lisa, You said: I was told that nebulizing it into his lungs would be much more effective and that I could use a cool steaming machine instead of having to buy a nebulizer? What is the best way for me to do this? How much do I need to use? how long do I need to do it each time and how often? And for how long? I'm not sure how you would get a horse to use a nebulizer anyway but with a cool steaming machine you would place a balnket over the horse's head and over the part of the machine producing the steam so the horse had no choice but to breath it. The question here though is will the machine allow for a substance like homemade CS to be used (not just any nebulizer is appropriate either). This, I think you'll find will be the barrier to doing this. As far as amount to use, time of treatment, frequency of treatment, etc. - you have a yearling with a longstanding infection. I'd do it at least 4x a day if not more. For how long? I'd do it as long as the horse would stand still for it - at least 5 min. Amount? How much of any other substance would you use if you were using a cool steam machine? You would use as much as would be appropriate for lasting the length of time you want to do it. I wouldn't stop treatment until I got a clean bill of health on the horse. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC.S. and Coffee Creamer Half and Half Spoilage...
Dear Alexander, You said: 1. Produced the C.S. @ August,25,2003... 2. Purchased the Half Half on August, 24, 2003... 3. Added 1/2 cup of the C.S. to the full quart of half half on August, 26, 2003... Results so far: Creamer retains an absolutely fresh pleasant odor to present date ( Sept., 14, 2003 ). Taste remains absolutely fresh and pleasant to date. Absolutely no signs of spoilage / souring what so ever... ** Interesting stuff. I did something similat with a half gallon of my mother's skim milk. She was complaining that I bought her too big of bottle, stating that it seems to go sour on exactly the day of the expiration written on it so she would never be able to finish it by then. I added half an ounce of CS to the half gallon 2 days prior to the expiration date. The milk lasted through the next two weeks until she finished it. I don't know the potential for how long it would have been usable had she not consumed it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCSPersonal studies / try these
What software is required to open the *.sit attachments? .sit is opened with the program Stuffit ( a mail compression program). Catherineimage/gif
Re: CSHas anybody used CS for Bells Palsy?
My father just developed Bells Palsy.I'll be visiting him next week.I'm going to bring him a couple of gallons. ** I would suggest looking into homeopathic treatment for this. I've seen very quick resolution of this with this type of treatment in all cases. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSLupus questions
Symptoms of lupus http://www.hamline.edu/~wnk/lupus/articles/symptoms_of_lupus.html -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Dear Orpha, You said: My youngest uncle was killed by someone who carries a stethoscope . . . not until he was in a coma and dying, did they discover (through a bone marrow test) that he was treated for the wrong disease for 2 years. The medication he took was feeding the disease and it killed him at 34 years of age. Now if he would have taken Colloidal Silver or Coral Calcium or Noni Juice or Transfer Factor, or whatever supplement that he would have chosen, his death would have made national news with the FDA saying the natural supplements killed him . . . but, it was not news, it is a regular occurrence here in America. ** This is a powerful statement, not just because of the message, but because of how simply it is stated without the emotional content. The truth in it stands out because of these things. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
People with allergies like hay fever, etc., should try homeopathic remedies. They are very effective and have no side effects, like dryness, drowsiness, etc. There are various formulations, so asking the clerk at a health food store might be useful. Dean said: None of the homeopathics I've tried have ever worked for me. Perhaps someone could provide a list, because I'm sure I haven't tried all of them. ** Those for whom they work in this way just got lucky, Dean. There are a couple of hundred homeopathic remedies that could be useful for allergies. Only a person highly skilled in homeopathy stands a good chance of finding the appropriate one for any given person. In many cases, the remedy for allergies is also a person'd constitutional remedy. A constitutional remedy is a foundational remedy that addresses a number of underlying weaknesses at the core of one's constitution. If you really are interested in addressing allergies this way, get thee to a homeopath. The proper remedy in the proper doses is crucial to success in addressing this. The formulas found and recommended in natural food stores are being presented from an allopathic mindset. This is counter to the entire homeopathic philosophy. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFed handling of dietary supplement Ephedra
Dear Dick, You said: Ephedra supplements have caused less than 25 reported deaths, ever! Aspirin causes hundreds, or more, every year. ** I think you may want to check your figures. http://www.citizen.org/publications/release.cfm?ID=7180 Metabolife and certain other companies have a tendency to put more than one stimulant, or too much of a stimulant in their products. The legislation being debated right now is geared to products or substances like this where reports of adverse effects have been made. Have you read the legislation? Professional herbalists will be the first to tell you that ephedra should not be available OTC.Used properly under the guidance of a professional, ephedra can help with a number of conditions. HerbMed has some info, including adverse effects and toxicology on ephedra. http://www.herbmed.org/Herbs/Herb78.htm#Category5Herb78 Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSafe Water
WARNING TO ALL C.S. MAKERS POLAND SPING JUST GOT BUSTED BY THE F.D.A. FOR SELLING TRASH WATER... STEAR CLEAR OF THEM FOR A BIT, TILL THEY GET THEIR DAMN GREEDY LITTLE HEADS SCREWED ON STRAIGHT... SEEMS THEY COULDN'T TELL THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN A SPRING A SEPTIC TANK ! http://www.finewaters.com/News_Events/News/Controversy_Springs_Eternal!!.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSystem PH
Dear Robb, You said: I'm really confused about the whole lemon - calcium ph thing. I'm not sure when to take my lemon waterand when and how much calcium to take because I know the two try to cancel each other out. ** Have you figured out yet what type of calcium is metabolically correct for you? If you're taking the wrong type for you. Your pH can worsen if you're taking the wrong type of calcium. Where did you hear that lemon and calcium try to cancel each other out.? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSystem PH
Dear Robb, You said, My health food store guru told me that coral calcium was right for me..?I don't know...I am just assuming that lemon and calcium cancel each other out...because lemon is acidand calcium is alkaline How does the health food store guru know your metabolic type? Without that knowledge he/she cannot make this recommendation. http://www.bloodph.com/research/nutrihome.html Lemon is only acidic outside the body. In the body it acts as an alkalizing agent. http://www.healthlibrary.com/reading/ncure/chap11.htm Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and skin condition
Dear Teri, You said: My other half Gary a NYC fireman was diagnosised with Hep C shortly before 9/11 and he was treated with Interferon and Ribaviran for 6 months. He has always had dry skin patches. Around 5 months ago I purchased a CS generator from Trem. Gary has been drinking around 8 oz of 15ppm CS daily. Around a month ago he developed another skin condition that in the onset looked similar to ringworm but not a perfect circle and much larger than a ringworm lesion. His dermatologist of course wanted him to discontinue CS but he hasn't. Now he has 4 of these lesions. The dermatologist has no idea what it could be and now wants to biopsy it. ** You didn't say whether he is currently being treated with any pharmaceutical drugs. You also didn't mention whether the Hep C is worse or better than it was. These things would help. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and skin condition
Gary itches terribly and it wakes him up at night every night. Lack of sleep is really dragging him down. You may want to try the homeopathic remedy called Rhus Toxicodendron 30C. It works quite well for the itching from most rashes and has also been known to clear the rashes. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT:Unique Address for Sinus Challenges
Singers have been doing this for at least 150 years :-) Brooks wrote: Intrigued by the research of some Swedish researchers, we instituted a limited evaluation of the effects of humming on persons suffering from chronic sinusitis. Somewhat to our suprise, a quite measurable improvement effected among a majority of the participating volunteers. Several different modes were appliedall with beneficial effect. Just simple humming of a favorite tune for 5 or so minutes twice a day, proved beneficial. However, the most benefit came among those who utilized a conventional deep breathing technique; one including an in-breath accompanied by diaphragm/stomach expansion.followed immediately by the humming generation. Depending upon ones lung capacity, the hum will last about 5 to 10 seconds as the spent air is exhausted to completion of the exhalation. Best results were obtained through insuring that the tongue does not rest against the teeth...or the mouth sides/roof.during exhalation. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSAtkins diet Warning
I don't know about ruining kidneys but the meat eaten by Eskimo's had a different ratio of types of fat, more omega 3's etc. Our ancestors and others that have lived off meat (like the Scandinavian explorers who performed this experiment many years ago) were mostly eating grass fed animals which will do the same thing. I expect they also ate a lot of organ meat in order to get enough vitamins, etc. People aren't carnivores. Omnivores, more likely. Doesn't mean they can't live on meat though, if they're smart enough to do it right. ** A great resource for the paleo (or Atkin) type diet is www.paleodiet.com Another great site is http://www.beyondveg.com/ Also, http://www.cast.uark.edu/local/icaes/ ( academic web site discussing evolution and the human diet). Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSEngineers
If you want to kill spores, try this. Soak in a combination of CS, glucoce (honey will work), and calcium propionate (or other water soluble calcium such as calcium lactate) . The glucose and calcium will cause the spores to germinate in an hour or so, and the CS will then kill them. Marshall, this is a wonderful idea! Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSkennel cough poms-more info
I'm concerned if I give them cs it might interact with the antibiotics - should I do both together or not??? It is perfectly safe to give CS with antibiotics. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS was congestive heart failure questions - NOW POTATOES
Dear Orpha, You said: Do any of you that limit carbs eat potatoes with skin? ** If one did, one would not be limiting carbs. A potato skin actually adds about half a gram of carbohydrares to a potato. You mentioned before that you read the skin absorbed some of the sugars in a potato. This is not truly the case but if it was you'd still be getting this by eating the skin. Starches are not eaten on a low carb dietary regimen. They're too high on the glycemic index. This makes it difficult for people who are insulin resistant (all people with diabetes are) to properly assimilate the food. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
Dear Jonathan, Would you know how much EPA/DHA you get in the 12,000 mg per day? That sounds like a very large dose. Do you take capsules? I've seen doses as high as 20 grams a day. EPA is usually 180 mg. per gram and DHA is usually 120 mg. per gram. Regards, Catherine Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
Dear Shirley, You said: Are potatoes and beans included in the carbo list? Potatoes and beans are out for the most part. Here is a link to a collection of websites that explain various aspects of a paleo diet. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
Oops - forgot to include the URL www.paleodiet.com Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
Dear Jack, Thank you for the info re: PP and www.swansonvitamins.com . Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
CoQ10 for CHF When the heart sustains injury that weakens its pumping ability congestive heart failure can develop. Fluid builds up in the lungs and lower extremities, the heart enlarges, and many symptoms develop, including severe fatigue, difficulty breathing while lying down, and altered brain function. People with CHF have significantly lower levels of CoQ10 in heart muscle cells than healthy people. Several double-blind studies have found that CoQ10 supplements can markedly improve symptoms and objective measurements of heart function when they are taken along with conventional medication. In the largest of these studies, 641 individuals with moderate to severe congestive heart failure were monitored for 1 year. Half were given 2 mg per kilogram body weight of CoQ10 daily; the rest were given placebo. Standard therapy was continued in both groups. The participants treated with CoQ10 experienced a significant reduction in the severity of their symptoms. No such improvement was seen in the placebo group. The people who took CoQ10 also had significantly fewer hospitalizations for heart failure. -- http://www.chfpatients.com/text/coq10.txt -- Weber C, Jakobsen TS, Mortensen SA, et al. Antioxidative effect of dietary coenzyme Q10 in human blood plasma. Internat J Vit Nutr Res 1994;64:311-15. Open Label and Long Term Congestive Heart Failure Trials Dr. Yuichi Yamamura published an excellent review of all early Japanese trials prior to 1984. By mid 1980's it became apparent that CoQ10 was safe and effective in the short-term treatment of patients with heart failure. Several long-term trials were undertaken to determine if this effect would be sustained and to determine long-term safety. In 1985, Mortensen et al. observed sustained benefit and safety in idiopathic dilated cardiomyopathy on 100 mg per day of CoQ10. In 1990, we published our observations on 126 patients with dilated cardiomyopathy followed for six years, again noting sustained benefit with remarkable long-term safety and lack of side effects. In 1994, Baggio et al. published the largest open trial in heart failure involving 2,664 patients treated with up to 150 mg of CoQ10 per day, again noting significant benefit and lack of toxicity. Also, in 1994, we published observations on 424 patients with a broader spectrum of myocardial disease including ischemic cardiomyopathy, dilated cardiomyopathy, primary diastolic dysfunction, hypertensive heart disease, and valvular heart disease Patients were treated with an average of 240 mg of CoQ10 per day and followed for up to eight years with mean follow-up of 18 months. We observed significant improvement in NYHA functional classification, improvement in measurements of myocardial function, an average of 50% reduction in the requirement for concomitant cardiovascular drug therapy, and a complete lack of toxicity. Myocardial function became measurably improved within one month with maximal improvement usually obtained by six months and this improvement appears to be sustained in the majority of patients. The withdrawal of CoQ10 therapy resulted in a measurable decline in myocardial function within one month and a return to pretreatment measurements within three to six months. This return to baseline myocardial function after withdrawal of CoQ10 therapy was also observed by Mortensen et al. -- Biofactors. 1999;9(2-4):273-84. Overview of the use of CoQ10 in cardiovascular disease. Langsjoen PH, Langsjoen AM. The clinical experience in cardiology with CoQ10 includes studies on congestive heart failure, ischemic heart disease, hypertensive heart disease, diastolic dysfunction of the left ventricle, and reperfusion injury as it relates to coronary artery bypass graft surgery. The CoQ10-lowering effect of HMG-CoA reductase inhibitors and the potential adverse consequences are of growing concern. Supplemental CoQ10 alters the natural history of cardiovascular illnesses and has the potential for prevention of cardiovascular disease through the inhibition of LDL cholesterol oxidation and by the maintenance of optimal cellular and mitochondrial function throughout the ravages of time and internal and external stresses. The attainment of higher blood levels of CoQ10 ( 3.5 micrograms/ml) with the use of higher doses of CoQ10 appears to enhance both the magnitude and rate of clinical improvement. In this communication, 34 controlled trials and several open-label and long-term studies on the clinical effects of CoQ10 in cardiovascular diseases are reviewed. -- Hashiba K, Kuramoto K, Ishimi Z, et al. Heart. 1972;4:1579-1589. Cited by: Werbach MR. Nutritional Influences on Illness [book on CD-ROM]. Tarzana, Calif: Third Line Press; 1998. -- Hofman-Bang C, Rehnquist N, Swedberg K, et al. Coenzyme Q10 as an adjunctive treatment of congestive heart failure. J Am Coll Cardiol. 1992;19:216A. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
Ole Bob said: I have been diagnose with the same thing. I take everyday a generic form of LASIX which is called FUROSEMIDE. It causes no pain and really get rid of the water. ** Something to be aware of is that though some pharmaceutical drugs may be necessary for some people virtually all of them cause nutrient deficiencies. The nutrient deficiencies caused by Lasix are: calcium magnesium potassium sodium Vit B1 Vit B6 Vit C zinc Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
I'm with Chuck. http://www.puritan.com/ Buy 1 get 2 free 200 mg. 30 Softgels 002091 $56.95 http://www.puritan.com/pages/file.asp?xs=CAE3E4D87E3B4A97BA8AC2EA91724B5DPID=984np=0 Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
TJ said: Saw that story. Printed the chart with landscape.. I have mixed feelings about selling prescription drugs cheap.. Maybe they should be three times higher and then no one could afford them. I don't know of ANY prescription drug that I would take for any problem. I can think of an herbal equivalent for about all. I have put ZERO prescription and OTC products in my body since I discovered Alt. Med in 1996. As an exercise, does anyone on the list believe there is a prescription drug or OTC product they must have-and why? I go to monthly public hospital open houses here. There is some kind of specialist -pushing his practice. There is always at least one drug co. rep there . I ask them hard questions and call the drug reps dope pushers to their faces. The most dangerous man in the world is a doctor with a blank prescription pad. Wow! It's like looking in the mirror! Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS congestive heart failure questions
Dear Marian, You said: The drugs I feel I need are for my diabetes, if anyone has alternatives that will help I'd love to know. ** Is it Type I or Type II? The former needs pharmaceutical intervention. The latter, if not too many years into it can be reversed by altering the diet to a paleo-type dirt (carbs are eaten in the form of vegetables only). Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMail cleaner
A few weeks ago the web site for a little program that cleans up all the unnecessary marks in mail, was offered, I could not find in in the files. Does anybody remember the address? http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Re: [FlaxSeedOil2] OT--Almonds walnuts
I received the same message. My ISP quarantined it because it contained a virus. I am using windows XP and it would have run on my computer if it wasn't caught. I don't know who Gubi is either. Today, many email viruses spoof email addresses so you can't really tell where it originated. If Gubi's email address was stored in someone's address book and that someone got a virus, the program can easily choose Gubi's name at random as sender. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: SeaSilver analysis ?
...someone is insisting that SeaSilver contains colloidal silver... I have a bottle right here - no CS. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCataracts
Dear Bricky, You said: The guy who told me about linseed oil said that most cataracts were deposits of a cooking grease called CRISCO and any good oil would dissolve it. He said that when your body dumped CRISCO in your eye, all other dumps are full (like your chest) so you also have to do some cleaning in other places besides the eye. I still have some lumps in my chest but I got rid of most of them by doing kidney cleanses. ** Oh dear. I don't think I would consult this person very much for health purposes. Either that, or I'd make damn sure I stopped feeding the dog Crisco ;-) Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoring List
David said: CATHERINE!!?? somewhat useful. ? I believe I prefaced this with the word personally meaning I'm voicing an opinion. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCataracts
On linseed oil: Raw linseed oil has only the odor of flaxseed oil (raw linseed oil is derived from extracting oil from the seeds of the flax plant and is used, in this unprocessed form, as a nutritional supplement). Boiled linseed oil, made through processing raw linseed oil, has additives that produce strong toxic odors. I think one would want to get the former. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRE: Seasilver claims
Dear Jim, You said: How about a look in the horses mouth: If anyone has a copy of SS literature that claims SS cures AIDS or CA, please direct it to my attention. My understanding is that it was in the printed literature, not at the website. You can go to www.archive.org and check the www.seasilver.com website. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoring List
Or how about a list solely for the More Power Boys?? I hate sending CS newbies to this list anymore, as it has become just too intimidating... Marshalee has a point that newbies would definitely be oberwhelmed here. I also think some good things are happening here. The dedication to full understanding of CS is admirable and most appreciated. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoring List
Dear Mike, You said: Can you remember what it was like when Bob Lee posted long descriptions on colloidal silver, and Ivan and the other heavyweights discussed ppm? The newbies like me were totally overwhelmed. ** I recall the feeling. But I also knew if I stuck around that I'd get up to speed (or at least be able to grok the gist of it). The nice thing here is that no matter how many times a question is asked, and no matter how seeminngly elementary to those who have been here for a while, someone is always willing to respond. A FAQ would be great, but who's got the time? There must be one in existence we could use as a template. Then again, we could always just utilize what is out there like this from Jason's site? http://www.silvermedicine.org/production.html Mike Devour, what do you think about this? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSKidney Stones
JOH said: Unauthorative speculation: CS would probably help with an associated infection; I doubt it would reduce the stones or have any influence on the root cause of the stones. A very good answer. Here's what conventional medicine now says: http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030304072627.htm (amounts to nothing) Ayurvedic medicine says: http://www.amsar.com/smn-indo/a3.htm I chose to post this prior to herbal solutions because this gets to the root of the problem whereas herbs don't. They are effective, though, in addressing the problem each time it occurs. Other treatments for kidney stones: http://www.urologychannel.com/kidneystones/alternativetreatments.shtml There is the Yahoo Group called KidneyCleanse: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kidneycleanse/ And Cure Zone: http://www.curezone.com/cleanse/kidney/default.asp Other herbal: These herbs are often used to ease the discomfort associated with stone passage: Bearberry (Arctostaphylos uva-ursi)-Acts as a diuretic and antiseptic for the entire urinary tract. Cleavers (Galium aparine)-Has a history of use in treatment of congestive kidney disorders, stones, and urinary infections. Corn silk (Zea mays)-A soothing demulcent with mild diuretic properties. Crampbark (Viburnum opulus)-Relaxes smooth muscle and is an antispasmodic. Gravel root (Eupatorium purpureum)-Named for its traditional use as a treatment for stones and gravel of the kidneys. Khella (Ammi visnagi)-Has a long tradition in the treatment of kidney stones. Scientific research has demonstrated that the herb works as a calcium channel blocker-type antispasmodic, which targets and relaxes ureter tissue. This allows easier passage of small stones. Seven barks (Hydrangea aborescens)-Has a sedative effect on the urinary system; used in the treatment of kidney stones. Stone root (Collinsonia canadensis)-Strong diuretic with a history of use in acute and preventative treatment of kidney stones. Use high quality herbal supplements only. Nutritional prevention of kidney stones: Eat a whole foods diet that contains leafy green vegetables, fruits, vegetables, whole grains, legumes, and fish and poultry in small portions. Include foods that have a high ratio of magnesium to calcium such as brown rice, bananas, oats, barley, and soy, and are high in fiber such as oat bran, psyllium seed husk, and flaxseed meal. Drink a minimum of ½ of body weight in ounces of water daily (e.g., a 150 lb person would drink 75 oz of water). Proper hydration prevents the urine from becoming concentrated with crystals, which leads to stone formation; and it reduces the risk of urinary tract infections, which reduces the risk of struvite stones. Urine color can indicate the level of concentration: dark or bright yellow urine indicates a highly concentrated urine, as seen in morning urine; pale or colorless urine indicates dilute urine. Avoid sugar (check ingredients for hidden sources of sugar), alcohol, antacids, excessive protein, dairy products (especially milk), salt, carbonated beverages, caffeine, and refined white flour products such as pasta, white bread, and baked goods. Supplements Magnesium citrate-Take 500 mg daily. Low magnesium intake has been linked to stone formation. Magnesium supplementation can decrease the size of an existing stone and prevent further formations. Citrate supplementation prevents further stone formation. Vitamin B-6-Take 25 mg daily. A B-6 deficiency increases urinary oxalate, which leads to kidney stones; but even in those who are not deficient, B-6 reduces urinary oxalate levels. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoring List
Dear Mike, You said: Oh, great. 3 nines are not enough - he uses FOUR of them! And relies on the heavy current drain to bring the voltage down. Anybody want to hazard a guess how much current a 9V alkaline can deliver? It's well into the Amp range. Some generator. Not a clue about how to make cs. He might as well add some salt to speed it up. That page will bring a lot of people asking - why does my cs turn black? Actually, if he added a 100k resistor in series, and used 3 ft of 12 ga cut in half and folded into a W, he would be making the same thing we are talking about now. And the batteries would last much longer. ** This is just a beginners' tutorial. There's time afterwards to refine the process - after they understand. One of the problems with developing a FAQ is that it is difficult to get the majority of people to agree on everything. Jason is quite knowledgable. I'm sure he'll speak up here in response to this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBoring List
Dear Mike, You said: I hope so. There are many warnings on the newsgroups about the danger of modern alkaline batteries. They can explode if short-circuited for a length of time. There is no current limiting anywhere, and no warning of the possibility of serious harm. ** Personally, I'm not one for battery-made CS. But people have been doing it for some time and can get a product that is somewhat useful. There are a number of people here who swear by it. I bought a generator because I didn't want to be playing around with the many versions of a home design at the time. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSquestions
Dear Ken, You said: There has been much success reported with Abogain [sp?] Long term heroin addicts etc have been 'cured' with no withdrawls. ** In all fairness, there have been very mixed reports about this. Some people feel they're worse off for having done it. It's a crapshoot. IMO, this method is patterned on the allopathic magic pill myth and should be avoided. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFTC seizes Seasilver
So should they bust Schwepps? Schwepps doesn't represent itself as a health enhancer ; if it did, then yes, they should :-) Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear Lew, I said: I think you need to be talking to the people who are on the frontlines of this ...Nebulizing is how they feel a number of health care practitioners ended up with SARS. You replied: When there is the will and desire, there is always a way. This is an open-minded forum for health-care. Those in the frontlines battling SARS are welcome to share and to learn. It is open University with all of us students of Ageless Wisdom. ** I think you know I have a great deal of respect for your work. I've mentioned this more than once on another list to which we both belong. But I think if you are to make a suggestion like NO and insist it CAN be done, the onus of responsibility is on you to explain how given what we already know about how nebulizing patients with SARS infected those who were treating the patients. I've spent a little more than 2 months in daily contact with SARS Task Force consisting of people who have tried many different things while treating SARS. The testing ground for these things were two hospitals - one in Beijing and the other in Hong Kong. Their experiences are valuable. When they, who are working every day with patients formally diagnosed as having SARS, and you have a hypothesis you've never really gotten to test in a formally diagnosed SARS case, it's not difficult for me to decide who has the more complete information. I've never been one to accept the status quo, but there is something to be said about learning from others' mistakes. Most people who help others heal are very sincere and caring. The Universe supports these people as best as it can. But sometimes there are hard, cold facts we wish weren't there that require some thinking outside of the box to get around them. For example, so many things work in vitro that don't work in vivo. Right now, NIH scientists find that licorice is disbling the SARS virus. The chances it will do this in vivo are quite slim. But wouldn't it be grand if it did? It would be grand if NO worked. In theory it should. It even stands a good chance in practice - but only if we can create another delivery system that won't risk the lives of others. I'd be glad to introduce your idea to the SARS Task Force if you can come up with an idea for a safe way of administering it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Dear Bob, You said: Right on. With all the evidence on tobacco why weren't the tobacco companies treated the same way. They are allowed to pay damages and raise their prices to get it back. Knowing that their addict customers will still be there. I'm not an advocate of Seasilver. I just believe in equal treatment. ** This is really not relevant. I agree with what you say about things that are allowed to exist that are harmful to people, but we're not talking about a substance here that is necessarily harmful (Sea Silver), we're talking about a company misrepresenting a product. There are plenty of other examples we can come up with like this - for instance, the pharmaceutical industry. But this doesn't mean that everything sahould be overlooked because some things are. My biggest issue with Sea Silver is not it's poor performance, it's that the company repeatedly refused to divulge the amounts of the various nutrients they claim are in their product. I called numerous times letting them know that I had a client base of hundreds of people who take my recommendations seriously. They claimed that because it is all natural the amounts vary. I suggested that they must have done some tests on the product that showed ingredients and the range of amounts of each. They admitted they did but again refused to divulge this. Not everyone is as insistent on details as I am. So who knows what others who use this product are getting. They could be paying $40 for a bottle that contains no more nutrients than a Flintstone's vitamin. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Seasilver Bust. The Regulation of Products Generally
Last night's local TV coverage mentioned nutrients aren't regulated, as part of their report, so, if true, this may be Seasilver's reasoning. Non-regulated means there are no standards. All labeling of foods and nutritional substances in the US is required. For the sake of discussion let's say the company is under no obligation to put quantities of each nutrient on the label. Why would you NOT want to do this? Why would you not want to divulge this to a person in a position to influence the buying habits of her clients? The bottom line is it would be irresponsible of me to recommend anything for anyone without knowing everything about it I can possibly know. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear Mike, You said: Your caring shows in each letter of each word you write. A question: if they are willing to try licorice in vitro, would they be willing to try cs? I would recommend making it at a current density of 100 uA per square inch or less. **Thank you :-) I became involved with this group and actually had the opportunity to present CS to them during a conference call. At that time, my thoughts were running along the lines of nebulizing. Since then, they've considered oral (very difficult because most patients are too ill to drink) and IV. They are really skeptical about the latter because I can't produce enough material that speaks of efficacy with this. Thanks for your input, Mike. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear James, You said: I don't know how the white coat priests will cotton to getting info from a DC, but Dr. John Hill has written a book with basic information about CS. It is dated, in some respects, but has lots of cites from papers published in journals during the 30's heyday of CS. A search of his name and +colloidal silver will probably yield he book if it is still being sold. It can be immediately downloaded with a CC ** Thank you! Here it is. Colloidal Silver: A Literature Review: Medical Uses, Toxicology Manufacture - Second Edition - By John Hill, D.C. http://www.advance-health.com/silver.html Fantastic! Thanks so much. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: [sillver_list] Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear Trem, You said: I may be missing something here. If so, please excuse me. If deionized or distilled water is used in injections and silver is benign, why is it not a no brainer to inject properly made CS intravenously as a trial protocol? ** It's because CS is such a foreign concept for them. It makes them apprehensive. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: FTC seizes Seasilver
Wonder what the significance, if any, of the warning letter coming from the FDA, but the seizure done by the FTC. jr That's the normal protocol. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Nebulizing CS for SARS Redux
JR wrote: Are you suggesting nebulizing for SARS or not? FH Lew responded: The anwser is YES.However, it must be remembered that Experimental Research in NO has shown that one-third are non-responders. ** I think you need to be talking to the people who are on the frontlines of this, Lew. Nebulizing is how they feel a number of health care practitioners ended up with SARS. This information is from an interdisciplinary group all of whom have been working directly with SARS patients. Any one of us can sit here and speculate but until we've dealt with it as they have, I have to defer to them on the issue of transmission. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSFTC seizes Seasilver
The product must work pretty good. Curious that there is no mention of a dissatisfied customer. I can provide that. I switched to it myself and switched 25 clients who volunteeres to test it. They were up to 4 oz. daily and not feeling like they were getting what one oz. of what I had them taking does for them. We did this for 3 months. Honestly, I think it's a really crappy product that tastes good over ice with a twist of lime g. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBYU study
Maybe it has to do with the peer review. It can make for some serious problems when a paper gets published before peer review. Pons and Fleshmana as well as Jones found that out the hard way. The problem is that it can only go to journals that are not peer-reviewed and this is seen as quite undesirable. It leaves one open to mockery that they were not peer-reviewed and published in a more highly regarded journal. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSpam Arrest
Dear Mike, You said: The email was sent privately to me. It seems to look like he paid for this service, and it went through his address book where it found my address. But why my address was in there, and why the email had the following Subject line is very strange: Spam Arrest works like this - let's say I get Spam Arrest service. Now, I join the Silver-list. Every time someone posts to the list, before my Spam Arrest will allow me to receive the post, it will send an email to the poster asking them to verify they are not a spammer. Theoretically, once you've done this, Spam Arrest will allow any posts to the list by you to come to me. Each person that posts will have to go through Spam Arrest verification prior to me receiving the post. Now, my personal opinion on this. I don't think I should have to do anything for someone else to receive my posts from the list. If someone is paying for a service that is so poor one can't set some exceptions (like any post with Silver-list in the subject) I don't think I should have to compensate for this by taking my time to do this. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDoes detailing influenced physicians' prescribing habits?
The May 31 British Medical Journal focused on the relationship between physicians and drug companies. One of the aspects of this relationship reviewed was the frequency of pharmaceutical company rep visits to physicians. How do you think weekly visits from a pharmaceutical company rep affect physicians' prescribing habits of that company's drugs? http://www.medscape.com/px/instantpollservlet/result?PollID=821WebLogicSess ion=PuYKEDKsbSQ5OzwI2ETVvpKRz7TdAAf19360w2Z5RbARpCpv6vFK|-356169868323148936 8/184161392/6/7001/7001/7002/7002/7001/-1 Increases prescribing. 78% (1045) Decreases prescribing. 2% (38) No effect on prescribing. 18% (246) Total Responses: 1329 Poll conducted 31-May-2003 - 08-Jun-2003 Related Medscape news article http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/456554 BMJ: Pharmaceutical Industry-Physician Entanglement Affects Research, Care Laurie Barclay, MD June 3, 2003 - A special issue of the British Medical Journal explores the entangled relationship between pharmaceutical companies and physicians, reporting that industry-supported trials are biased toward the drugs for which the companies seek marketing approval, saying industry largesse is undermining clinical decision-making, and suggesting that doctors share the blame if they don't wean themselves from industry influence. Systematic reviews in the May 30 issue conclude that there is selective reporting from industry-supported studies used to support new drug applications, and the reviews discuss the effect of industry sponsorship on research outcomes and study balance. A third report ties regular physician contact with drug company representatives to unnecessary prescribing. Finally, two commentaries discuss efforts to promote the disentanglement of physicians and industry. Industry representatives quoted in the BMJ reports and interviewed by Medscape argue that pharmaceutical companies have a valid role to play in educating physicians and point to a year-old, voluntary industry code of conduct that bars many once-common marketing practices. They also argue that government regulators, at least in the U.S., closely watch for evidence of bias in the research underlying the drug approval process. In the issue's lead editorial, BMJ Editor Richard Smith and Deputy Editor Kamran Abbasi say they're not anti-industry. Virtually all new drugs developed in the past 60 years - drugs that have transformed medicine - were developed or made by pharmaceutical firms, they note, and their own employer gets substantial net income from the industry. They also agree that it takes two to entangle. Doctors...are perhaps more to blame in coming to depend on drug company largesse, they say. Doctors and drug companies must work together, but doctors do not need to be banqueted, transported in luxury, put up in the best hotels, and educated by drug companies. The result is bias in the decisions made about patient care. Nor are medical journals necessarily exempt from industry influence, they argue. Journals are caught between publishing the most relevant and valid research and being used as vehicles for drug company propaganda, they note. Because publication of research findings occurs relatively late in the process of study design, execution, data analysis, and interpretation, safeguards against undue corporate influence on trials planning is essential, the editors write. They cite two reviews in the theme issue delineating potential bias in published trials. One report, a review of 30 studies, based on a MEDLINE search from January 1966 to December 2002 and an EMBASE search from January 1980 to December 2002, found that trials sponsored by a pharmaceutical company were four times more likely to show positive results for that company's drug than were studies funded by other supporters (odds ratio, 4.05; 95% confidence interval, 2.98 - 5.51). The study, by Joel Lexchin, MD, associate professor of health policy and management at York University in Toronto, Ontario, Canada, and colleagues, also found that company-funded research is less likely to be published than research funded by other sources. But none of the 13 studies that analyzed methods found industry-funded studies of poorer quality than others. The bias that we see in studies sponsored by pharmaceutical companies is not confined to any single group of drugs or diseases, and it has taken place for over two decades, Dr. Lexchin told Medscape. From my point of view, these findings are not very surprising, because the drug companies would have many problems if they had negative trials for their products and if these trials were published. It's not that the drug companies deliberately deceive, but some decisions they make regarding study design do tend to create bias, Dr. Lexchin says, explaining that one potential source of bias is the choice of comparator, or the comparison for the study drug. Of course, these potential mechanisms are just my hypothesis - you can't really prove it.
Re: CSBob Beck's baldness cure
Malcolm said: I would hesitate on using the magnetic pulser on the head. A friend of mine did it and lost his intuition for a while every time he tried it. It seems to mess up the brain astral connection, at least for him. ** When I saw this suggestion yesterday, my intuition told me that a magnetic pulser should not be used on the head. Therapeutically, all this is doing is increasing the circulation to promote hair growth but with what I 'see' as having a number of drawbacks. The stimulation can be accomplished also by vigorously massaging the scalp. Overall, you want something that will decrease the overproduction of dihydrotestosterone. Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA), Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA), Linoleic and Oleic Acid, Saw Palmetto, Pygeum africanum H , Vit B6 and zinc will help with this. It will also assist in keeping a healthy prostate. Gamma Linolenic Acid (GLA), Alpha Linolenic Acid (ALA), Linoleic and Oleic Acid have been proven to inhibit 5-Alpha Reductase which is responsible for the overproduction of dihydrotestosterone. Saw Palmetto inhibits dihydrotestosterone and relieves symptoms of BPH, such as urinary frequency and urgency, excessive nighttime urination, or delayed urination. In fact, Fenistride (active ingredient of Propecia) only inhibits the Type 2 form of 5 alpha reductase where Saw Palmetto extract inhibited both type 1 and 2 forms of 5 alpha-reductase. Pygeum africanum H. contains lipophilic sterols, including beta sitosterol and sitosterone plus unique fatty acids. These ingredients influence prostaglandin synthesis to help control the damaging effects of inflammation and inhibits 5-Alpha-Reductase. Vitamin B6 is a vitamin in which many men are deficient. It is necessary for the proper assimilation of zinc. Zinc cannot be converted into a form that is readily used by the prostate without it. Zinc is concentrated in the prostate gland. The prostate needs 10 times more zinc than any other organ in the body. Chicago's Cook County Hospital, tested the effect of zinc on patients with BPH symptoms. All patients reported symptomatic improvements, and 75% had palpable shrinkage of the prostate. Zinc not only inhibits the production of 5-alpha-reductase (thereby reducing the levels of dihydrotestosterone), but it also helps the body excrete excess dihydrotestosterone. Zinc has been shown, in several controlled studies, to actually reverse prostate enlargement. This combination is most effective on male pattern baldness not receding hairlines although it can arrest the hairline from further recession. It is also effective for women whose cause of hair loss is the over-production of testosterone resulting in the production of dihydrotestosterone. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWal*Mart water
geez how come you guys don't get it. the Wal*mart I have been going to for 2 MONTHS now no longer carries any distilled water!!! I would go to the same isle and it would be there now it's not! I CAN'T GET GOOD DW ANYMORE! And what would you like us to do about this? Go somewhere that DOES have distilled water. It is available in most pharmacies. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSVirus and address book
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Re: CSThermal Stirring
That's outlook express for ya. Outlook will pick up a bug and send it to everyone in your address book I use Eudora for that reason ** It was a false alarm, Ode. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Dear Sharon, You said: That her ureteral tubes are either kinked or too short, causing the reflux. Thus the need for surgery. ** Is this a speculation on their part or do they have a picture to support this? It sounds like one of their lame guesses to explain away what they don't know. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWal*Mart water
I have been buying water from Wal*Mart for 2 months now. Then I go in to grab a couple gallons and I see no water on the shelves except one brand, made with flouride for babies. So I am looking for a new source. It's not with the drinking water, Jay. Look around the pharmacy area. C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWal*Mart water
They moved it? Jay, you're making something very simple woefully complicated. Get some distilled water, a ppm tester, and make some CS like the rest of us. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Dear Sharon, You said: But if this is truly due to the way her system is built inside, then perhaps the allopaths are right this time... ** Exactly what is it they are saying? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: [H] Skin problem
Perhaps what are some of the symptoms of wrinkling skin that needs to be diagnosed to give medicine? Why would a patient suffer through wrinkle problem in an early age? ** Dehydration, too much sun/free radical damage/smoking, genetics. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Do you think this would help Sharon's DD as much as the cranberry juice coctail? It's a possibility, Ruth. I think it will have to include a plan to recolonize the needed bacteria. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Dear Sharon, You said: She has been on probiotics for a while now. She was also on cranberry extract, and it just seems like she can never stop taking it because every time she does, bang, back they come. I will try to get some Primal Defense right away. Maybe that will help. ** Probiotics are notorious for having quite a range in quality. If the cranberry works, is there a reason she couldn't stay on it? I think you'll find the Primal Defense makes a difference. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Dear Sharon, It's Versed.. This is the one we were talking about. I think perhaps the assumption that the child needs to be so heavily sedated is a wrong one. Talking with her beforehand should do the trick to allow a much lighter, safer form of anesthesia to be given. I still think it's much more traumatizing in the longrun to be in the hospital and not be aboe to recall what happened to you while being there. http://www.rxlist.com/cgi/generic2/versedinj.htm It's seldom that medical professionals think for themselves. Someone does something, it gets written up in a medical journal, everyone begins doing it. Giving Versed as an anesthetic-type aid is equivalent to feeding blowfish to someone because they are hungry. There are plenty of other things one could eat besides blowfish. There are safer things to use than Versed. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
New Studies Offer Hope to UTI Sufferers FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE CONTACT: National Kidney Foundation PHONE: (212) 889-2210 (New York, NY) - September 9, 2002 - Urinary tract infections (UTIs) account for 11 million doctor visits each year, but drug-resistant bacteria is making treatment tricky. Over the last decade resistance to antibiotic drugs by E.coli bacteria C the most common cause of UTIs C has risen dramatically, according to the National Kidney Foundation. A new study suggests that salvation for UTI sufferers may come from the supermarket aisle rather than the drugstore counter. Cranberries and UTI Prevention Cranberry juice has long been linked with prevention of UTIs. Now, a joint study conducted at Rutgers University in New Jersey and the University of Michigan indicates that cranberry juice=s protective effect works against the antibiotic-resistant as well as the antibiotic-sensitive strains of E.coli. Research suggests that cranberry juice=s protective effect may be due to ingredients called proanthocyanidins, or condensed tannins, that have an anti-adherent, or anti-stick, property, which prevents certain E.coli bacteria from sticking to the urinary tract. This may help to flush bacteria from the bladder into the urine, resulting in fewer infections. In the Rutgers study, E.coli bacteria from men and women with UTI were introduced into urine samples from healthy people before and after drinking 8 ounces of cranberry juice cocktail. The samples taken after drinking cranberry juice cocktail prevented 79 percent of antibiotic-resistant bacteria from sticking to the urinary tract cells, while urine samples taken before drinking cranberry juice cocktail failed to prevent adhesion. In total, the cranberry juice cocktail prevented 80 percent of all bacteria tested from sticking. The researchers also found that cranberry juice cocktail=s beneficial effect may start within two hours and last for up to 10 hours in the urine. This suggests that drinking a serving in the morning and one in the evening may provide more effective protection than one daily serving. These findings are also important from a public health standpoint. If UTIs can be effectively prevented by drinking cranberry juice cocktail, resulting in fewer infections and reduced use of antibiotics, the potential risk of developing further antibiotic resistance would also be decreased, says Dr. Craig Peters of the National Kidney Foundation=s Urology Council. To help gain insight into the causes of UTIs and, ultimately, develop treatment, the National Kidney Foundation and its partnership with Ocean Spray Cranberries is funding a study that will shed light on how drug-resistant E.coli infections are spread. The research, to be conducted at the University of California at Berkeley, will study over 500 women with UTI, collecting information about their diet and other behavior patterns, such as sexual activity, contraceptive use and travel. The goal is to find out what risk factors may contribute to the spread of drug-resistant infections and, ultimately, help develop new non-drug approaches to prevent recurrent UTI in women. For a free brochure on UTIs, contact the National Kidney Foundation at (800) 622-9010. The National Kidney Foundation, a major voluntary health organization, seeks to prevent kidney and urinary tract diseases, improve the health and well-being of individuals and families affected by these diseases, and increase the availability of all organs for transplantation. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: (ot) verised as sedative in VCUG procedure
Terry said: One of my closest friends has three daughters. They and his wife had bladder, urinary tract and female problems for years. They were always taking antibiotics etc. Someone talked his wife into stopping all dairy products and sugars for a month. Unbelievable as it might sound, before the test was over, their problems had cleared up; and without the use of any antibiotics. I understand from his wife that the few times they reverted to their old eating habits, the problems returned. Did not take those girls long to figure out what they no longer wanted to eat. Thought you might want to try this before letting them at your little girl. ** This idea is well worth pursuing. I would also add the cranberry juice and Primal Defense powder for the immune system support and because she must be in real need of probiotics because of all the antibiotics. There's something very unbalanced in the system when UTIs recur. Allopathic medicine is ignoring this and creating more imbalance. http://www.primaldefense.net/primaldefpow.htm I'm going to pull out some of my notes on UTIs tonight. Normally I remember these things but I've had a virus for about a week and my brain is pretty lame right now. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOld to CS - Still Need Opinions/Advice
Dear Malcolm, You said: Oops, guess I misunderstood, thought we had a new vitamin [or bomber?] This is a multi B at 50 mg each for B1,2,3,5, - or mcg for B12 - etc., then? ** You got it :-) You said: I don't find the bottle for the Co Q10 now, but it was from Costco, big-box store. ** Last year I read an independent lab's assessment of CoQ10 products. I don't know if Costco was amongst them but I do recall that any without very recognizable brand names. What it all came down to is you get what you pay for when it comes to CoQ10. You said: How does B or Co Q10 aid in tinnitus - I thought that resulted from wear and breakage of the cilia in the cochlea? ** That can be one of the reasons. I've found it to more often be people whose sympathetic nervous systems are worn. Duncan pointed out that candida can create the condition of tinnitus as well. B vitamins and Coq10 can asist in re-establishing a balanced sympathetic nervous system. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNew to CS - Need Opinions/Advice
Dear Ruth, You said: I also have had tinnitus (ringing in the ears) for years - would putting a drop or two of CS in my ears help with this? ** Tinnitis is most often caused by a somewhat worn nervous system. B-50, inositol, and CoQ10 would be helpful here. Speaking of making CS, I decided to try making a gallon the other day. I used about 8 oz. of CS as a starter and brewed in in a sun tea jar. 17 hours later I had crystal clear 24 ppm CS. I would have gone with a lower ppm had I begun it earlier and not had to run it overnight. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOld to CS - Still Need Opinions/Advice
Dear Malcolm, You said: Hi Catherine, what is B 50, where does one find it - in the body, and in the store, what does it do? I think my nervous system must be a little worn, possibly tattered, after driving for an hour or so. BTW Co Q10 gave me serious tummy upset. B-50 contains the following: Thiamin, Riboflavin, Niacin,Vitamin B6, Folic Acid,Vitamin B-12, Biotin, Pantothenic Acid, Inositol, Choline. What brand CoQ10 did you take? Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS dyed hair
Jay, after reading your post I'm heading for the sprayer. My hair is very gray and I'd love to have the color back. Maybe you've stumbled upon the next hair color for men/women I'm right behind you, Trem! I just put a gallon on to brew. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS dyed hair
How does that over-the-counter stuff that goes after just grey hair do it? I've no clue. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: CS as hair coloring Agent
Is there anything I can do to stop having those things on the side of my mesages? ( ) It doesn't harm anything just an eye sore. Try this, Jay. http://www.papercut.biz/emailStripper.htm C -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUh Oh...supplement removal begins...
Since when did we start advertising on the Silver list ? Tel Tofflemire Dewey, AZ I don't see it as advertising. It is directly responsive to the post it is answering. .TJ Garland wrote: I just sent a shipment of CMO thru Oz customs last week. No problems. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSTHYROID DRUG RECALLS
THYROID DRUG RECALLS = The Food and Drug Administration (FDA) has issued recalls for certain Levothroid products, made by Forest Pharmaceuticals, particular batches of Levoxyl, made by King Pharmaceuticals, and Forest's Thyrolar. For information on recalls, see: http://thyroid.about.com/library/news/bllevothroid.htm http://thyroid.about.com/library/news/bllevoxyl3.htm http://thyroid.about.com/library/news/blthyrolar403.htm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: Cryllic Language Pack
Hi Ian, You said: There were no attachements to the emails and antirus software turns up nothing. I am at loss to explain this. Any ideas. If this happened to you on the post I forwarded, it is the forwarded post, not my email. I use plain text Times New Roman font. Does this one ask you to install that character set? Thanks. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSAre you being asked to install Cryllic Language Pack now?
You recently sent a message to silver-list@eskimo.com with a subject Re: CSWhy does this happen To help cope with the ever increasing volume of junk e-mails, I am using Risk-Free Mail which has placed your message on hold. Please enter the code below so I would add you to my Allowed Senders list. Enter the code you see below : or click here. Protect your Inbox from spam and viruses with Risk-Free Mail. Would you please help us to limit the amount of spam and fraud mail and verify the code and enter it in the space provided. You will not be required to do this ever again you will be added now to our list of legitimate e-mail domains. ?action=showcodecnf_id=51966 Description: Binary data
Re: CSRe: Cryllic Language Pack
No there is no request here to install the Pack. Sounds like this is something in someones emails that has infected the list through forwarding. Doesn't look like there is any way to trace it back. In don't think it's an infection. Risk Free Mail is a service people use to avoid spam. It requires all senders of email to respond once (theoretically) to be unblocked from sending email to the recipient. In this case, the recipient is a list member signed on as appl...@riskfreemail.com Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSC Creel...risk free mail
Do you use risk free mail. I seen a risk free icon on the bottom of your last message so that's why I asked. If you do, give me your e-mail address and I will put you down as the referral so you can get commision. No, I don't Jay. I forwarded an email to the list from Risk Free Mail that I received. Someone here uses it. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSDrug companies' secret reports outrage doctors
Drug companies' secret reports outrage doctors By Liz Kowalczyk, Globe Staff, 5/25/2003 Several months ago, a pharmaceutical company salesman told Dr. Mario Motta something that surprised him. The salesman, who had scheduled a 15-minute appointment with Motta, said he knew that the doctor had been prescribing a competitor's cardiac drugs -- and he wanted Motta to switch. Motta had never discussed his personal prescribing habits with the salesman. ''I said `How would you know that?' '' Motta recalled. ''I couldn't get it out of him, so I told him to leave.'' Drug makers, in a level of detail unknown to many physicians, are spending millions of dollars to develop secret reports about individual doctors and their patients, according to consultants to the drug companies. Most physicians know drug companies collect some information about which medications they prescribe. But they are often surprised by the depth of detail pharmaceutical makers now are buying about almost every US physician, mostly from large pharmacy chains. The details include whether doctors are switching specific patients from one drug to a competitor within days of it happening, and whether they treat many poor patients and may want free samples. With many doctors now holding sales representatives to strict time limits when they visit, these ''prescriber profiles'' allow reps to tailor their pitches to individual physicians. They are an increasingly important tool in drug company marketing to doctors, which accounts for the largest portion, $16 billion, of the $19 billion that pharmaceutical companies spent on marketing in 2001, according to IMS Health, a Connecticut-based compmany that collects prescriber data. ''Average sales calls are shorter, and physicians are seeing fewer sales reps,'' said E.M. ''Mick'' Kolassa, a professor at the University of Mississippi and managing partner of Medical Marketing Economics, which provides consulting services to drug companies. ''Because of this, the sales call has become a more precious commodity and companies need to make sure they're putting their resources in the right place.'' But even though patient names are removed from the data, some doctors believe these secret reports -- which they say sales reps almost never discuss openly with them -- are an unwelcome intrusion into the doctor-patient relationship. Doctors worry that the reports allow sales reps to push expensive drugs more effectively in a health care system that already is struggling with soaring costs. ''The amount of information they have about us and our prescribing is staggering,'' said Dr. Mark Rohrer, an internist and geriatrician at St. Elizabeth's Medical Center in Boston. ''The important thing is how it's used. If it's used by a rep to pressure me to provide a different drug than the one I'm prescribing, especially if there's a generic alternative, I don't think that's right.'' Several drug makers, including Eli Lilly and Wyeth, and the Pharmaceutical Research and Manufacturers of America, the industry trade group, would not comment on prescriber profiling. Michael Barnes, vice president of business intelligence solutions at Dendrite International Inc., which provides prescription data to drug companies, said the data are used to promote safety. For instance, the Food and Drug Administration buys Dendrite's prescribing data, which allows the agency to monitor cases in which large groups of patients are taking drugs that could have dangerous interactions, he said. The agency can then direct the company to educate doctors about the potential harm. Prescriber profiles, albeit in a more rudimentary form, are a key element in the whistleblower lawsuit David Franklin filed against his former employer, Parke-Davis, now part of Pfizer, alleging illegal and off-label marketing of the company's top-selling epilepsy drug, Neurontin. Federal investigators are in settlement talks with Pfizer, which declines to discuss the case. Franklin, who worked as a medical liaison for Parke-Davis from April to July 1996, said his supervisors would provide him with a doctor's prescribing record for the previous month before he went on a sales call. A month later, they would send him the physician's new prescriptions, so he could see if the information he gave to the doctor led him to prescribe more Neurontin or other Parke-Davis drugs. Now sales reps can see within days if a doctor is responding to a pitch, he said. If a doctor was prescribing a competitor's product, Franklin knew that his presentation should focus on undermining that product, he said. Sales people also reviewed doctors' prescribing habits to determine who was loyal and should receive trips and gifts. The industry has since put in place voluntary guidelines discouraging lavish trips and gifts. ''The doctors it didn't work on didn't get the gifts anymore because it was throwing money away,'' he said. ''Your physician would be stunned to find out what pharmaceutical
Re: CSRe: Cryllic Language Pack/C. Creel
Dear Malcolm, You said: H, I'm not so sure that's the whole story, but I'm paranoid by inclination. Furthermore, I just received an email from you, Catherine, that had the header above about the Cyrillic . . . and contained nothing except the blah-blah from risk-free-mail is this the way denial of service DOS attacks start?? Who is this possibly bad apple and how long have they been a list member and WTF is going on here??? I sent a copy of that to the list. There is nothing to worry about. Go to www.riskfreemail and you will see that. It is merely a service people use to avoid spam. I don't have it, but I did send the list a post from a person who does have it. There is no cause for concern. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSI am the cyrillic culprit( sp?)....
Go to http://www.lavasoftusa.com/ They have freeware that you can use to identify and remove spyware from your computer on a regular basis. Cyrillic is a character set like Times New Roman and Arial are character sets. Jay has used Incredimail. He could have chosen a font he likes from there that happened to be Cyrillic. It does not indicate spyware, a virus, or anything weird. It's a font. I hope this clarifies it for people. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSWhy does this happen...
Would you please help us to limit the amount of spam and fraud mail and verify the code and enter it in the space provided. You will not be required to do this ever again you will be added now to our list of legitimate e-mail domains. I have done this 3 times?...I thought I would never have to do it again. Are the silver list gods trying to hint at something? : ) That's an individual, a list member, Jay, not the list. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSinjecting CS....
That is so cool, Tony! Wow...it makes sense...I think, lol! Has anyone else had this experience? Tony said: On the other hand I cured a serious sinus bout by waving a 1.5v battery across my face. No voltage, just the field from the end of the AA battery. I move the battery in a cross from near jaw, up across cheek, under the eye past top of nose, to the other forehead. Same on the other side. Could feel the sinus squirm and hear it sort of crunchy click; and then produced copious stuff sliding down my throat a short time later. OK I was standing in front of the mirror. I discovered this 'cos was going to use a laser pen but the batteries were dead. Putting in new batts. noticed the sinus click. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSTrolling the Monnet Refutations...
Dear Harvey, You said: Mike states the following from http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59221.html You state the reactance of the coil is 40,000 ohms. From the formula for reactance, XL = 2 * pi * F * L Therefore L = XL / 2 * pi * F = 4 / (2 * pi * 60) = 106.1033 Henries Non secular/ stupid assertation This is a standard coil size to create air core magnetic fields. Your Amerikans are very stupid! Perhaps you should use more German rocket scientists in the next war over Cuba! An 106 Henry air wound coil would be enormous. It would fill a room. The coil would have very high losses. Without going through the calculations, I estimate the Q would be less than 1. There would be no resonance effect. The Q is the ratio of the impedance of the frequency imposed on the coil divided by the resistance! Mike aint quite right yet! Your circuit is impossible to create. Given a single resonant tank, you would have to introduce the current from the variac in series with the circuit. If you connected the variac in parallel, it would short out the tank and prevent any resonance. Da, the tank itself is a parallel circuit The source of voltage is parallel to that tank. Since the variac is in series with the tank, the only way you could obtain a resonance effect would be to take the voltage across the tank, or in parallel with L1 and C1. However, your description is the cell is also in series with the tank. Since you must introduce the current from the variac in series with the tank, then both tanks must have equal currents that are in phase. It is impossible to get opposing currents from two tanks as you claim. Read between the lines Mikey. Go back to your science schools and learn the difference bewteen series and parallel resonances! You have made a complete fool of yourself. In Russia we already know the hybrid series/parallel resonance circuits! I stand by my workings here as evidence, so that is enough for now ** I'm not sure what you do in Russia but on this list we endeavor to be more polite, mature, and less aggressive when we disagree or find what we consider to be errors in others' work. You seem intelligent. I think you are capable of finding ways to communicate that open doors instead of your way above which results in doors being slammed shut. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT Sea Silver
I smell snake oil. It's a blend of aloe vera and kelp (read the product ingredients), and also check out the highly suspect quote of the researcher who supposedly analyzed the product. A search in the archives will yield a discussion on Sea Silver. It is not meant to be colloidal silver. It is a full spectrum-type nutritional product. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS Pregnancy
Dear Jean, You said: Does anyone out there know if it's dangerous to take CS during pregnancy? CS is quite gentle. Antibiotics would be far more likely to have a negative impact on a fetus than CS. But I think I'd use it only when needed. That's pretty much my philosophy on CS usage anyway. I would also be sure to use CS that is of a higher quality and has the facts to back up the quality. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSscalp question
Inthe meantime, does anyone know if spraying cs on your scalp is unsafe? Not at all, Gladys. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS doesn't work ...
Check the archives, the original publication was given some time ago. It was in something like Explore magazine sometime I believe in the 80's. There should be messages in the archives that give the exact name and date of the article. ** We talked about this extensively a few months ago. No one could find anything more than anecdotal evidence that CS kills over 650 pathogens. More than likely studies were done on several pathogens and from there, the majority of the 650 pathogens was extrapolated. This cannot be used as a fact until it is proven in people. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSNebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear List Members, A few weeks ago we had an extended discusssion on nebulizing CS for SARS patients. I appreciated all the thoughts and POVs I received from you. Since then, I've had the opportunity to present CS to a group of physicians on Hong Kong. It was received with mixed feelings, but the dialogue between us remains alive today. Here is one of the comments I've received from the Hong Kong group. Please note the fourth item down on nebulizer treatments for SARS. Good day, Catherine, Here are a few things that you must know-- * The hypoxemia is severe and the CXR can deteriorate rapidly. Patients desaturate at the slightest provocation - talking, movement, coughing. * There is a preponderance of barotrauma, even in nonventilated patients - pneumothoraces, pneumomediastinum, and surgical emphysema. * Weaning from mechanical ventilation can be difficult and prolonged. While oxygenation eventually improves, many patients are easily fatigued. * We cannot use a nebulizer. This is probably the single most important factor in the spread of droplets on the medical ward at the Prince of Wales Hospital in early March. The patient who received the nebulizer has been identified as the index case for this hospital. Many patients, healthcare workers, and relatives who entered that ward contracted SARS. * Because of the vast improvement of patients when high dose steroids are introduced it has become apparent that the majority of damage being caused to the lungs is not from the pathogen but from an over-response by the immune system. I look forward to continued discussions. [Name deleted] Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNebulizing CS for SARS Redux
Dear Mike, You said: Thank you for posting the letter. This gives us a glimpse of the enormous difficulties you are facing. I am impressed with your knowledge and dedication, and I look forward to reading your posts when they appear. ** Thank you. You're quite generous :-) You said: This may sound like a silly idea, but would giving high ppm cs to all staff and patients help reduce the spread? They perhaps don't have to drink it. I found ten minutes of sub-lingual absorption to be highly effective in stopping sore throats and completely eliminating a residual low-level shingles infection. It might also help the sick patients. ** It doesn't sound like a silly idea at all. When you state high ppm how high are you thinking? Thanks, Mike. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSOT Master cleanse requests....
Jay, open a Yahoo Group and post it there as a file. Put all settings as open to the public them no noe even has to join the group to get it. Then you can just post the URL. Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
