Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Mike and All,

Does 26 PPB upper bound relate to free silver ions or silver chloride?  In
either case, oral ingestion of EIS leads to most of it being absorbed i.e.
Altman study.  But over what time frame I dont know.  But perhaps a high
concentration of silver chloride in the blood could exert antimicrobial
properties that exceed that of only 26 PPB free silver ions?  If that were
the case, then the immune system would not necessarily be the missing factor
in effectiveness.

One thing worth asking is if anyone on this forum knows of anyone who has
successfully treated a solely, not just partially, intracellular infection?
 That would shed light on this also.  Of course, I cannot actually name a
solely intracellular infection either...

Regarding oral EIS, would chasing it with a pure regimen of larger doses of
peroxide provide additional benefit than simply adding a small amount of
peroxide to EIS?

Perhaps inadequate concentration of intracellular silver chloride may be one
reason for peaking on oral EIS improvement.

General question...why do bugs in vitro or otherwise need a minimum
concentration to die?  I guess getting shot with 1 BB gun continuously gives
bugs enough time to patch up their wounds, whereas getting shot with 50 BB
guns does not?

Regarding silver cell...perhaps a continous all day long sublingual supply
of free silver ions could provide far more stem cell related results than
anything previously?


And last, one bizzare idea just for kicks...set a silver ``trap``.  Somehow
intentionally cause accumulation of metallic silver of silver compounds
intracellulary...perhaps with liposomes...then spring the trap with
peroxide...perhaps with liposomal vitamin C which I guess would create
intracellular peroxide.  Result...a huge burst of silver ions for a short
time?

~David

Re: CS>cs and Lyme disease

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Lena,

Havent you used it on lyme before?

~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

The more I hear about in vivo views, the less I know!

Also very interested in your generator Mike.  I have suspected that
inadequate concentration of ions in the blood is the main issue when people
like me peak in improvements with CS.  I definitely want to try your
solution out.

So is particle size the main factor with nebulizer effectiveness?  So Jason,
you would say that ultrasonic nebulizers give the best particle sizes?  Any
thoughts on how they compare to Brooks nebulizer?  I also have infected
lungs that do not respond to all sorts of nebulized silver products with a
cheap edge nebulizer.

Thanks,
~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Marshall,

Smaller particles being the most effective among particles...but all in all
you would still say the ionic portion of EIS is responsible for most of the
results, right?

~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Got it.  Thanks.


I think it would be interesting to see the result of reiki plus prayer
(especially by Donna), as they almost exactly would be expected to cancel
out.

~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Regarding the reiki, do the negative values indicate that more light is
coming out of the water than was shined through to begin with?


Regarding peroxide, my impression is that in regular EIS the particles are
not metallic silver but are clumps of silver oxide/hydroxide molecules.  If
so, could you explain how silver in this state becomes metallic, which would
be necessary to fit in line with the observation that only 1 configuration
is possible with 2, 3, and 4 atom colloids.  That statement for example
would not make sense if the particles are still composed of compounds.

~David

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Okay, I think I see...it's not a function of diameter but rather size and
configuration of atoms.

Re: CS>spectrographs of CS

[David AuBuchon]

Can we get a layman's intro to spectrometers?  Here is my understanding:

Light of various wavelengths is sent through a material.  In this case, a
silver particle of a given diameter will absorb light of a particular
wavelength which is some function of the particle's diameter.  Therefore
only some fraction of light with that wavelength will reach a receiver on
the other side of material.  Light of wavelengths greater than any particle
can absorb, according to this relation, will 100% reach the receiver.  Based
on how much of each wavelength of light reaches the reciever, the plots are
made.

Is this a correct understanding?

~David

CS>pacemakers, defibrillators

[David AuBuchon]

I just read off Mashall's site not to give to people with pacemakers and
defibbrilators.  Can someone comment on how this may be dangerous so I can
immediately update my website.  This is the first serious contraindication I
have heard.

Regarding the pregnant, I understand the general desire for caution, but
have pregnant people used CS?  Do we know of any good antimicrobials that
definitely can be used during pregnancy?

~David

Re: CS>cs and lyme

[David AuBuchon]

Haha, thats just a saucy FDA avoidal scheme.  I'll give you a call later.

Re: CS>cs and lyme

[David AuBuchon]

Here is book section on effectiveness:
http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#the-effectiveness-of-eis-lv

Testimonials...join a bunch of yahoo groups on lyme disease and ask who has
used it for their lyme.  Here is one such forum with a little bit more of a
bent on using CS:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DougPlus/messages
Ask people who have used it...not people who have not used it because they
are afraid.

Several people on this forum also have used it on their lyme but haven't
replied thus far.

Sorry, but there is not an assembled list of testimonials on lyme.  I wish
there was.  There is 1 here and 1 there, and they end up adding up to a
lot.  You have to look lots of places.

I strongly suggest you consider reducing the dose of CS until you barely
notice any herx at all, and then gradually increase as even that little herx
no longer happens.

~David

On Mon, Sep 5, 2011 at 6:30 PM, Rod Samuelson wrote:

> ** ** **
>
> same book, there is a section on Effectiveness  give the info on the book
> again??
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> there are many testimonials of lymies using CS where can I read them??
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net
>

Re: CS>cs and lyme

[David AuBuchon]

The enzyme LLMDs seem to use the most and is the strongest is lumbrokinase.
Warning however, using enzymes in some Lymies can drastically make them feel
worse as sequestered bugs and toxins can be released.  So it is important to
reduce the bug load significantly before adding enzymes.

Another product called Interfase from Klaire Labs was made specifically for
biofilm.

~David

Re: CS>cs and lyme

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Rod,

The link I sent earlier is more than enough to establish the safety of
colloidal silver.  Hundreds of thousands of Americans - if not millions -
have used it...not 1 single valid report of injury.  And lots of other data
in their showing it is safe.

In that same book, there is a section on Effectiveness...It is all
theremore than ample evidence to prove the general effectiveness of CS
against all sorts of effectiveness.  Lets start with literally thousands of
testimonials on the web for example.

Regarding specifically lyme, there are many testimonials of lymies using CS,
as well as many LLMDs who use CS in their practice.  It is pretty clear cut.

If you have much herx, please reduce the dose to a level where you only have
a BARELY noticeable herx.  Strong herx can be COUNTER productive.

~David


On Sun, Sep 4, 2011 at 2:52 PM, Rod Samuelson wrote:

> ** ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> I am currently taking 3 cups per day of 9 PPM and much herx.  I can find
> no doctor who agrees with taking CS except from Italy.  My Lyme
> doctor who said I have Lyme wants me to get her data as she has had it and
> both sons have it and her husband has it.  
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Do we have a good test for Lyme and I do want doctors to help with the
> data?  I am at a loss with no real info on CS…
>
> ** **
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net
>
> ** **
>

Re: CS>cs and lyme

[David AuBuchon]

Yes CS has a very real effect on lyme.  I think it is the best first line
option there is.  Remember that 1 antibiotic basically is never enough to
beat lyme and co.

Have you had significant improvements with CS?  If so, CS is therefore
effective against lyme complex just based on your case.  Effective does not
mean the same thing as a sure fire cure.

If it is safe, there is nothing to lose by keeping taking it while you add
on other treatment.  If the question is if CS is safe, the answer is also
definitely yes.  I have written a huge segment on establishing CS safety:
http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#the-safety-of-eis-lv-and-jello

It's going through major editing, so if the naming conventions get confusing
and seemd screwed up, it is because they are.

There are a handful of people on this very forum who CS helped their lyme.
Myself included.  In fact, if I were to stop CS, the other antibiotics I am
taking would not cut it, and some bug would slowly come back and take over.
And based on a past 4 month slip up with CS, I think I'd be dead in 6 or 8
months if I stopped CS.  CS is literally keeping me alive.

~David

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:27 PM, Rod Samuelson wrote:

> ** **
>
> Is cs effective for Lyme?  I have gone to her for 18 years and was tested
> for other problems.  I had my herx for many days but now less or not as
> severe.
>
> ** **
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>   --
>
> *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 02, 2011 8:19 PM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: CS>cs and lyme
>
> ** **
>
> Not sure I understand the question.  Data about how common lyme is?  Or
> data that CS is good for lyme?
>
> Anyway, if you are neither herxing or improving with 24 fl oz of CS, CS is
> not going to cut if by itself.  I think borrelia is at an increased
> likelihood to not be your main infection if you get so little response from
> CS.
>
> ~David
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Rod Samuelson 
> wrote:
>
> I am currently taking 3 cups per day of 11 PPM and very little herx.  I can
> find no doctor who agrees with taking CS except from Italy.  My
> Lyme doctor who said I have Lyme wants me to get her data as she has had it
> and both sons have it and her husband has it.  
>
>  
>
>  
>
> Do we have a good test for Lyme and I do want doctors to help with the
> data?
>
>  
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
>  
>
> ** **
>

Re: CS>cs and lyme

[David AuBuchon]

Not sure I understand the question.  Data about how common lyme is?  Or data
that CS is good for lyme?

Anyway, if you are neither herxing or improving with 24 fl oz of CS, CS is
not going to cut if by itself.  I think borrelia is at an increased
likelihood to not be your main infection if you get so little response from
CS.

~David

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 5:04 PM, Rod Samuelson wrote:

> ** **
>
> I am currently taking 3 cups per day of 11 PPM and very little herx.  I can
> find no doctor who agrees with taking CS except from Italy.  My
> Lyme doctor who said I have Lyme wants me to get her data as she has had it
> and both sons have it and her husband has it.  
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> Do we have a good test for Lyme and I do want doctors to help with the
> data?
>
> ** **
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
> ** **
>

Re: CS>Has anyone made liposomal B-vitamins?

[David AuBuchon]

Here is the liposomal forum:
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DIY-LET/


Also, Dorothy, are you able to find that liposomal B complex product?  I
have only personally been able to find b12 liposomal, and it would be great
to get other things with it.

~David

On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Saralou Pedigo  wrote:

> Doug has a yahoo list that discusses liposomally encapsulating all kinds of
> things but I'm not where i can give you the link right now.  Will do so
> Tuesday unless someone else does it sooner.  Saralou
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 2, 2011 at 10:03 AM, Nenah Sylver  wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> I was wondering if B-vitamins can be put through the same process as
>> ascorbic acid, with good effect. Has anyone tried it?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Nenah 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> **Nenah Sylver**, PhD
>>
>> author, *The Rife Handbook* (2009)
>>
>> *Holistic Handbook of Sauna Therapy* (2004)
>>
>> VoiceBio and Biomodulator certification
>>
>> www.nenahsylver.com; www.rifehandbook.com 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>
>
>
> --
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> Phone: 260/724-2011
> ...render unto Caesar the things that are his, and unto God the things that
> are God's...
>

Re: CS>LYME disease

[David AuBuchon]

Ya, I got into rife 2.5 years ago.  The doug coil is almost universally
effective at eliminating the bulk of borrelia organisms in the course of
time.  But that does not make most lyme patients well.  Most lyme patients
have multiple infection and multiple complicating conditions. And single
frequency machines like the doug coil are very hit and miss (and usually
miss) when trying to kill infections other than lyme disease.  There are
lots of successes with other infections, but those results are hardly
repeatable in all others.  It is only reliably against borrelia (lyme).  I
for one believe I got borrelia under control in a couple weeks with the doug
coil.  It was never a big part of my overall symptom picture.

~David

On Tue, Aug 23, 2011 at 7:53 AM,  wrote:

> **
>
>
> In a message dated 8/22/2011 7:46:11 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Bartonella is the main bad guy in my case.
>
> On the RIFE list they claim the GB-4000 controls Lyme in 6 months and the
> Doug Coil in two months. I have the GB-4000 with the MOPA beam ray tube
> amplifier. I believe the Doug Coil is cheaper. I wanted the same setup that
> DR Rife was using back in the 1930's when he was curing rabbits of self
> inflicted cancers, TB and more. His reward was to be prosecuted by the AMA
> until he was penny less. He won every case but doing so lost all his money.
> Brickey
>
>
>
>
>

CS>CMO recommendation?

[David AuBuchon]

Is their a vegetarion CMO product?  I heard some companies have been sued
for claiming their's has vegetarian when it was not, so I am leary of
claims.

Veg or otherwise...is their a good CMO product with several other
ingredients too?  Like chondroitin, glucosamine, MSM, etc.?

~David

Re: CS>LYME disease

[David AuBuchon]

I've only killed a fraction of the bugs.  There are tons left.  Even if
there are only a small amount, they can come back.  You have to do at least
a little maintainance lifelong.

CS will kill whatever as long as you get the needed concentration of ions to
the needed place.  This is not possible with oral CS in my case.

Bartonella is the main bad guy in my case.

~David

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:58 PM,  wrote:

> **
>
>
> In a message dated 8/22/2011 6:53:34 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time,
> bbane...@earthlink.net writes:
>
>   If you've killed the bugs, they can't come back.
>
> Did you ever hear about Herpes Simplex? No matter how hard I try it is
> never completely killed. DR Beck said you can kill the bugs in your blood
> but some hide inside of nerves, eyes, lymph glands and escape the treatment.
> So repeat treatments are required.
> Brickey
>

Re: CS>LYME disease

[David AuBuchon]

Oh, I think I stayed at 32 oz for a few weeks.  I still take an ounce or two
a day, because it still keeps the bugs I've killed from coming back.

~David

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 6:38 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> I went up to 32 oz as herx would permit.  I'd o ahead an increase the dose
> every day until you feel a slight herx.  6 tsp a day is 1 fl. oz.  So maybe
> try 2 oz tomorrow, then 3, then 4, then 6, then 10,...whatever..until you
> get as high as your willing...say 32 oz.
>
> ~David
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Rod Samuelson  > wrote:
>
>> **
>>
>> Did you just go up to 24 oz per day or did you have a schedule? And for
>> how long at 24?
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> Rod Samuelson
>> 860-881-3734 cell
>> new email address  **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:55 PM
>>
>> *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com**
>> *Subject:* Re: CS>LYME disease
>> 
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while
>>
>>  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>> ** **
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* Rod Samuelson <**rod**samuelson**@sbcglobal.net**>
>> *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com**
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM
>> *Subject:* RE: CS>LYME disease
>>
>> 6 tsp per day
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rod Samuelson
>> 860-881-3734 cell
>> new email address  **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net
>>   --
>>
>> *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM
>> *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com**
>> *Subject:* Re: CS>LYME disease
>>
>>  
>>
>> How much do you take a day?  
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson <
>> rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>> I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx
>> now.  I make my own and the ppm is 22.  When can I hope to get better have
>> success on getting better?
>>
>>  
>>
>> Rod Samuelson
>> 860-881-3734 cell
>> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>>
>>  
>>
>>  
>>
>> ** **
>>
>
>

Re: CS>LYME disease

[David AuBuchon]

I went up to 32 oz as herx would permit.  I'd o ahead an increase the dose
every day until you feel a slight herx.  6 tsp a day is 1 fl. oz.  So maybe
try 2 oz tomorrow, then 3, then 4, then 6, then 10,...whatever..until you
get as high as your willing...say 32 oz.

~David

On Mon, Aug 22, 2011 at 5:47 PM, Rod Samuelson
wrote:

> **
>
> Did you just go up to 24 oz per day or did you have a schedule? And for how
> long at 24?
>
> ** **
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net
>   --
>
> *From:* Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:55 PM
>
> *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com**
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LYME disease
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>   --
>
> *From:* Rod Samuelson <**rod**samuelson**@sbcglobal.net**>
> *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com**
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM
> *Subject:* RE: CS>LYME disease
>
> 6 tsp per day
>
>  
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  **rsamuelson**2...@cox.net
>   --
>
> *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM
> *To:* **silver-list@eskimo.com**
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LYME disease
>
>  
>
> How much do you take a day?  
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson 
> wrote:
>
> I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx now.
> I make my own and the ppm is 22.  When can I hope to get better have success
> on getting better?
>
>  
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ** **
>

Re: CS>LYME disease

[David AuBuchon]

I dont know about Paul, but I improved with CS a lot, then platued.  I think
that CS is very effective against borrelia, and if CS does not get you
nearly all the way well, I think it greatly increases the probability that a
different bug is your main problem.

~David

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 7:02 PM, Rod Samuelson
wrote:

>  Do you feel better now and 24  oz is 3 glass full’s?  How long did you
> take it as I can make quarts with ease?
>
> ** **
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>   --
>
> *From:* Paul Steel [mailto:pste...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:55 PM
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LYME disease
> 
>
> ** **
>
> I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while
>
>  
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>   --
>
> *From:* Rod Samuelson 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM
> *Subject:* RE: CS>LYME disease
>
> 6 tsp per day
>
>  
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>   --
>
> *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LYME disease
>
>  
>
> How much do you take a day?  
>
> On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson 
> wrote:
>
> I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx now.
> I make my own and the ppm is 22.  When can I hope to get better have success
> on getting better?
>
>  
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
>  
>
>  
>
> ** **
>

Re: CS>LYME disease

[David AuBuchon]

Yes, you need to take at least 8 fl. oz a day, and if needed, even 32 fl oz
a day. It's safe.

What generator do you use?  What color does it come out?

~David

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:55 PM, Paul Steel  wrote:

> I did up to 24 oz's a day for a while
>
>
>
> --
> *From:* Rod Samuelson 
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:53 PM
> *Subject:* RE: CS>LYME disease
>
>  6 tsp per day
>
>  Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>   --
>  *From:* David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Sunday, August 21, 2011 9:47 PM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LYME disease
>
> How much do you take a day?
>  On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson <
> rodsamuel...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>  I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx
> now.  I make my own and the ppm is 22.  When can I hope to get better have
> success on getting better?
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>LYME disease

[David AuBuchon]

How much do you take a day?

On Sun, Aug 21, 2011 at 6:37 PM, Rod Samuelson
wrote:

>  I have taken the colloidal silver for 3 months and do not have a herx
> now.  I make my own and the ppm is 22.  When can I hope to get better have
> success on getting better?
>
> ** **
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
> ** **
>

Re: CS>Is the list down?

[David AuBuchon]

Just curious...what is the meaning of having an ID "healthlist"?

~Davud

Re: CS>question about metallic silver

[David AuBuchon]

I'm speaking not of silver ions that are ultimately liberated from these
compounds...but of the silver while it is still in these compounds.  So you
really think silver can kill germs in this form?

~David

On Thu, Aug 18, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Marshall  wrote:

> **
> Ionic forms of silver which these are, are not catalytic.  They do kill
> germs, but it must be by a different mechanism than as an oxidation
> catalyst.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> On 8/18/2011 4:36 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
> What about silver compounds?  Say you have silver oxide/chloride/hydroxide
> in the blood...can silver in this bound state also kill germs by the same
> mechanism as metallic silver?
>
> ~David
>
>  On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Marshall  wrote:
>
>> Take a look at: http://silver-lightning.com/research.html
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>>
>> On 8/15/2011 3:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks, I am going to read about this.  The term "catalytic converter"
>>> comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst.  I may ask more questions
>>> later.  Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has "catalytic
>>> capabilities".  Maybe I will figure out what that means soon too.  I'm
>>> writing an "In Vivo" section of a CS book, so I really want to get
>>> into the fine details.
>>>
>>> ~David
>>>
>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Marshall
>>>  wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ killing it.
>>>> Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy, but is not used
>>>> up
>>>> like they are.
>>>>
>>>> Marshall
>>>>
>>>> On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver
>>>>> killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell
>>>>> wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc.  Is there are known
>>>>> mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs?
>>>>>
>>>>> ~David
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshall
>>>>>  wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Sure metal particles can do something.  Silver particles are an
>>>>>> excellent
>>>>>> catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water
>>>>>> filters
>>>>>> have silver metal in them.  What particles do NOT do is cause injured
>>>>>> cells
>>>>>> to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> silver particles and some silver atoms/ions  The atoms can easily be
>>>>>> an
>>>>>> ion,
>>>>>> since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the
>>>>>> water,
>>>>>> can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Marshall
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver.  Can
>>>>>>> metallic silver actually yield any silver ions?  I can understand how
>>>>>>> silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc can have different
>>>>>>> tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion
>>>>>>> for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything?
>>>>>>> Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions?
>>>>>>> That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff.  And how do those ions get
>>>>>>> into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved?  Or
>>>>>>> are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like
>>>>>>> silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair
>>>>>>> view of the in vivo story.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ~David
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
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Re: CS>question about metallic silver

[David AuBuchon]

What about silver compounds?  Say you have silver oxide/chloride/hydroxide
in the blood...can silver in this bound state also kill germs by the same
mechanism as metallic silver?

~David

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:29 PM, Marshall  wrote:

> Take a look at: 
> http://silver-lightning.com/**research.html<http://silver-lightning.com/research.html>
>
> Marshall
>
>
> On 8/15/2011 3:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
>> Thanks, I am going to read about this.  The term "catalytic converter"
>> comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst.  I may ask more questions
>> later.  Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has "catalytic
>> capabilities".  Maybe I will figure out what that means soon too.  I'm
>> writing an "In Vivo" section of a CS book, so I really want to get
>> into the fine details.
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Marshall
>>  wrote:
>>
>>> Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ killing it.
>>> Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy, but is not used
>>> up
>>> like they are.
>>>
>>> Marshall
>>>
>>> On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>>
>>>> Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver
>>>> killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell
>>>> wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc.  Is there are known
>>>> mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs?
>>>>
>>>> ~David
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshall
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Sure metal particles can do something.  Silver particles are an
>>>>> excellent
>>>>> catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water
>>>>> filters
>>>>> have silver metal in them.  What particles do NOT do is cause injured
>>>>> cells
>>>>> to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps
>>>>> of
>>>>> silver particles and some silver atoms/ions  The atoms can easily be an
>>>>> ion,
>>>>> since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the
>>>>> water,
>>>>> can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver.
>>>>>
>>>>> Marshall
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver.  Can
>>>>>> metallic silver actually yield any silver ions?  I can understand how
>>>>>> silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/**citrate/etc can have different
>>>>>> tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion
>>>>>> for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything?
>>>>>> Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions?
>>>>>> That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff.  And how do those ions get
>>>>>> into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved?  Or
>>>>>> are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like
>>>>>> silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair
>>>>>> view of the in vivo story.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ~David
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: CS>question about metallic silver

[David AuBuchon]

Thanks, I am going to read about this.  The term "catalytic converter"
comes up when I google oxidizing catalyst.  I may ask more questions
later.  Interesting I know that ASAP claims their Ag4O4 has "catalytic
capabilities".  Maybe I will figure out what that means soon too.  I'm
writing an "In Vivo" section of a CS book, so I really want to get
into the fine details.

~David

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 12:05 PM, Marshall  wrote:
> Yes, it is an oxidizing catalyst and oxidizes the germ killing it.
> Essentially the same mechanism as ozone or H2O2 therapy, but is not used up
> like they are.
>
> Marshall
>
> On 8/15/2011 1:19 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver
>> killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell
>> wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc.  Is there are known
>> mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs?
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshall  wrote:
>>>
>>> Sure metal particles can do something.  Silver particles are an excellent
>>> catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water filters
>>> have silver metal in them.  What particles do NOT do is cause injured
>>> cells
>>> to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions.
>>>
>>> Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps of
>>> silver particles and some silver atoms/ions  The atoms can easily be an
>>> ion,
>>> since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the
>>> water,
>>> can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver.
>>>
>>> Marshall
>>>
>>> On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>>>
>>>> It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver.  Can
>>>> metallic silver actually yield any silver ions?  I can understand how
>>>> silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc can have different
>>>> tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion
>>>> for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything?
>>>> Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions?
>>>> That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff.  And how do those ions get
>>>> into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved?  Or
>>>> are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like
>>>> silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions?
>>>>
>>>> Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair
>>>> view of the in vivo story.
>>>>
>>>> ~David
>>>>
>>>>
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Re: CS>question about metallic silver

[David AuBuchon]

Everything I've read that gives a mechanism of action of silver
killing germs has to do with an ion...oxidizing a cell
wall...electromagnetically scrambling DNA...etc.  Is there are known
mechanism of action by which metallic silver particles kills germs?

~David

On Mon, Aug 15, 2011 at 8:04 AM, Marshall  wrote:
> Sure metal particles can do something.  Silver particles are an excellent
> catalyst, and also kill germs on contact. That is why some water filters
> have silver metal in them.  What particles do NOT do is cause injured cells
> to revert to stem cells for healing, that is only done by ions.
>
> Sputtering, which is how I believe mesosilver is made, produces clumps of
> silver particles and some silver atoms/ions  The atoms can easily be an ion,
> since they will be in the middle of a plasma, and once they enter the water,
> can associate with the OH in the water forming ionic silver.
>
> Marshall
>
> On 8/14/2011 5:05 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> It seems to me that mesosilver particles are metallic silver.  Can
>> metallic silver actually yield any silver ions?  I can understand how
>> silver hydroxide/oxide/chloride/citrate/etc can have different
>> tendencies to disassociate in the body, and yield a free silver ion
>> for a time, but how can metallic particles possibly do anything?
>> Could it be that mesosilver's effect is only due to the 20% ions?
>> That would be a ripoff on top of a ripoff.  And how do those ions get
>> into the product anyway when there is no electrolysis involved?  Or
>> are mesosilver particles somehow coated in a silver compound like
>> silver oxide that can have some tendency to release ions?
>>
>> Working on a CS book, and just want to really give a completely fair
>> view of the in vivo story.
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
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Re: CS>Possible colloidal silver injuries.

[David AuBuchon]

Thanks for the summary.  This is just the info I was looking for.
Yup...very clear.  Just written by doctors who didn't know anything
about silver.

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 5:06 PM, Alchemysa  wrote:
> A while ago I bought the complete report described in the first link.
>
>  "Myoclonic status epilepticus following repeated oral ingestion of
> colloidal silver". (Death of a 71 year old man. )
>
> The full details are somewhat more complicated than the abstract suggests.
>  As you will see, its barely credible the doctors can even blame colloidal
> silver for the initial seizure let alone his ultimate death.
>
> Heres the sequence of events
>
> 1. Man aged about 70 finds out he has prostate cancer.
> 2. Takes Bicalutamide (a prescribed drug with a few side effects) for 3
> months.
> 3. Following this he tried "various nutritional and vitamin supplements,
> homeopathic remedies such as PC-SPES and essiac tea, and colloidal silver".
> (It's claimed his CS machine produced 4 litres of 10ppm in 30 minutes). He
> drinks about one ounce a day for 4 months. (An ounce is a very small amount
> for many consumers.)
> 4. Wife and daughter confiscate his CS machine and give it to doctors.
> (Presumably this ended his CS intake)
> 5. His prostate antigen level increases so he ceases all non-conventional
> treatment and undergoes 7 weeks (35 cycles) of radiation therapy.
> 6. Seizures begin 1 month after radio therapy ceases. (This appears to be
> about 3 MONTHS AFTER CEASING CS INGESTION)
> 7. He goes into 'Myoclonic status epilepticus' (a constant seizure) so
> doctors put him into an INDUCED COMA and pump him with various drugs.
> 8. Patient deteriorates to a persistent vegetative condition.
> 9. Patient is shifted to his home town hospital where he dies of PNEUMONIA
> 5.5 months after seizures begin. (The cause of death is absolutely clear in
> the report)
>
> A quote from the report.."His (the patients) extensive investigations
> (tests), including cranial MRIs, somatosensory evoked potentials, routine
> and special CSF studies for viruses or other microorganisms, porphyria,
> Hashimoto thyroiditis, connective tissue disease, and anti-Hu antibodies,
> WERE NORMAL. Patient’s liver function was also NORMAL. Therefore, we
> HYPOTHESIZE the patient’s condition was caused by silver toxicity.
>
> In other words... "We checked everything and the only trace of anything we
> could find was silver, so we are HYPOTHESIZING the silver (that he stopped
> taking 3 MONTHS before the seizures!) must have done it! Sorry Mum and
> Daughter, its not our fault. He had a seizure because of that darned
> silver!" If I was a cynic I could suggest conventional medicine killed him,
> and colloidal silver became a convenient scapegoat.
>
> David (The other one).
>
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> Date: 15 August 2011 6:02:45 AM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>
> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504
> ~David
>
>


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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[David AuBuchon]

That is the obvious most likely scenario, but I'm just trying to do
due diligence and see if anyone has access to the study text to
confirm.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 4:26 PM, Mike Winslow-Hansen  wrote:
> do we know if these 2 so called injuries were with the user using colloidal
> silver made properly?  do we even really know they were injured at all from
> the colloidal silver?  I doubt they were if they were using properly made
> CS...
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 2:07 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter
>
>
> Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry.  I just don't want to tell
> people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
> been 1 or 2.  It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
> honest and accurate.
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
>>
>> Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users? Guess I don't want to ride in a
>> car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper. But I still
>> Drive my car. I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver ! Do not Force
>> a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose.
>>
>> Tel Tofflemire
>> Dewey, AZ.
>> 
>> From: David AuBuchon 
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
>> Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>>
>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere. Is anyone able
>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? Wow (2) Shutter shutter

[David AuBuchon]

Dude, I'm 100% with you, don't worry.  I just don't want to tell
people there has never been an injury if it turns out there might have
been 1 or 2.  It is still inconsequential, but I want to be completely
honest and accurate.

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 2:01 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
> Wow 2 injuries out of Millions of Users?  Guess I don't want to ride in a
> car anymore? I see wreck reports every day in the newspaper.  But I still
> Drive my car.  I also take my Daily dose of Colloidal Silver !  Do not Force
> a CS scare on this site,, ... you will loose.
>
> Tel Tofflemire
> Dewey, AZ.
> ____
> From: David AuBuchon 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:30 PM
> Subject: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>
> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries? No way ! (Reply)

[David AuBuchon]

Agreed.  I am just always opened minded to the possibility of an exception.

So it sounds like we have opinions about Bowen and Fung, who were the
authors of the link I accidentaly pasted!  The other links had to do
with the injuries.

@Tel : Homemade CS since age 10???  Wow.  Did you make it by
electrolysis back then?

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:54 PM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:
> I can not stand by and NoT answer this post ! This Bowen guy has the same
> name as the fruitcake that Sued Dr Clark, and lost!
> But he kept her busy and distracted for several years! He is a trouble maker
> funded by the big Cooperations that make Drugs.
> If the only side effect they can quote is Agra caused by CS then
> They are really stupid. I have used home made CS since I was 10 years old,
> and I am 71 now and still use it every day. I have a nice tan but Only my
> hear is slightly Grey! Do not worry about this post your nervous about,
> Millions of people are using CS without any side effects at all, It only
> benefits Their Health.
> Tel Tofflemire
> Dewey, AZ.
> ____
> From: David AuBuchon 
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Sunday, August 14, 2011 1:34 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?
>
> The reason I am entertaining them is because of quite recent
> dates...2004 and 2009.
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
>>  wrote:
>>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
>>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>>
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~David
>>>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

[David AuBuchon]

Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504

~David

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
>
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Re: CS>possible colloidal silver injuries?

[David AuBuchon]

The reason I am entertaining them is because of quite recent
dates...2004 and 2009.

On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:32 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Sorry, those are not the links...not sure how I did that.  Here they are:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15111684?dopt=Citation
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19729504
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Aug 14, 2011 at 1:30 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> Sloan kettering cites two documented injuries to "colloidal silver".
>> I cannot find that the full texts for free anywhere.  Is anyone able
>> to confirm that these were not related to properly made EIS?
>>
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8632503?dopt=Citation
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>newbie

[David AuBuchon]

I want to throw out a treatment for breast cancer (and others) called
"Orasal" / "salicinium" / "Glyco-Benzaldehyde's"

Dr. Forsythe studied this among many cancer patients.  He also has
done a lot of work with Poly-MVA.  The results were quite amazing for
many groups, including the breast cancer group.  I am not personally a
big fan of Poly-MVA, but I would suggest you look into including
Orasal in your program:
http://scientificliving.net/2010/07/poly-mva-pulls-the-plug-on-cancer/

Also make sure you are taking something (if not several somethings)
that correct any hormone sensitivity your cancer has.

Silver is a good component in my opinion to include.  If you buy a
product, I suggest silver 100.  I think it is the most cost-effective.
 Making it is also good.

Good luck.  My aunt with breast cancer is shaving her remaining hair
off today thanks to chemo.  I hope you don't have to do there.

One cheap supplement I would include is 400mg ubiquinol from Swanson a
day (200mg capsules).  It is a significant cancer killer that had a
study buried:
http://scientificliving.net/2011/01/liposomal-ubiquinol-coqh-for-the-treatment-and-cure-of-cancer/

~David



On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 6:37 PM, phoenix23002 tds.net
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> Hi, everyone.   I am brand new to this site.  I have been dx with
> breast cancer and want to use colloidal silver with my protocol.  I
> have used silver, off & on for years but I can't afford the 'good
> stuff' in the quantities I will need to fight this beast.  So...
> thought I would look into making my own.  I am not too mechanical or
> electrical-minded and would like to know if there are good relatively
> inexpensive units that can be purchased out there.  Also, a good
> reputable source for the silver wire.  I just purchased a book
> explaining how to build one of these machines.. lost me after the
> alligator clips..lol.  What is the best way to store the silver after
> mfg?  Thank you all for any info you care to share.   Lola
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Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease

[David AuBuchon]

That may expel parasites.

On Fri, Aug 12, 2011 at 4:12 PM, Jonathan B. Britten
 wrote:
> Also, the train can run over your body.
>
>
>
> On 2011/08/12, at 23:16, Marshall wrote:
>
>> The trains are electric. The tracks are at ground level, electrically.   As 
>> the trains move the current goes through the wheels, which make and lose 
>> contact, producing spikes on the rails. Since each wheel is on only one of 
>> the rails, the spikes one each rail are different.  These spikes will tend 
>> to apply current through those across the rails which would be similar to 
>> what a Clark Zapper applies.  This could be very dangerous though, the 
>> voltage of the overhead wires is probably over 1,000 volts, and a falling 
>> wire, motor failure, lightning strike or derailment could easily put lethal 
>> voltage on one of the rails.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> On 8/11/2011 10:38 PM, Steve Levine wrote:
>>> The old 6v lantern battery with a resistor is the way to go. There is a 
>>> Yahoo forum called microelectricitygermkiller · Batteries vs Germs that 
>>> discusses this in depth. Laying on train tracks to get a little juice seems 
>>> dicey at best.
>>>
>>> Steve
>>>  Kathryn Neff  wrote:
>>>
>>> =
>>> Thanks for the post, that was very interesting..wonder if it will catch
>>> on in other parts of the world that have those kinds of rails.
>>>
>>> K Neff
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: Dan Nave
>>> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:11 PM
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> Subject: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease
>>>
>>> > From the Dr. Clark Research Association (Hulda Clark) Newsletter.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>> "Here is an amusing story that is very interesting for us who are
>>> familiar with Dr. Clark's zapper. Apparently, people in Indonesia have
>>> taken to zapping themselves across railway tracks because there is an
>>> electrical potential between them that will "zap" the body. They are
>>> claiming relief from many ailments! See the report on ABC News here:
>>>
>>> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/electricity-therapy/2823200.
>>>
>>> "Amazing how they rave how much it is helping them! But now the
>>> authorities want to crack down on this absolutely free remedy."
>>>
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Re: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease

[David AuBuchon]

I'm jealous.

On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 5:14 PM, Kathryn Neff  wrote:
> Thanks for the post, that was very interesting..wonder if it will catch
> on in other parts of the world that have those kinds of rails.
>
> K Neff
>
> -Original Message- From: Dan Nave
> Sent: Thursday, August 11, 2011 3:11 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: CS>Using Electricity from Railroad Tracks to Cure Disease
>
> From the Dr. Clark Research Association (Hulda Clark) Newsletter.
>
> Dan
>
> "Here is an amusing story that is very interesting for us who are
> familiar with Dr. Clark's zapper. Apparently, people in Indonesia have
> taken to zapping themselves across railway tracks because there is an
> electrical potential between them that will "zap" the body. They are
> claiming relief from many ailments! See the report on ABC News here:
>
> http://www.abc.net.au/news/2011-08-03/electricity-therapy/2823200.
>
> "Amazing how they rave how much it is helping them! But now the
> authorities want to crack down on this absolutely free remedy."
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Re: CS>how is mesosilver made

[David AuBuchon]

Also, if ABL products are 97% particles, it seems more useful to
compare it to mesosilver than to regular EIS.  In vitro this company
showed ASAP does better than mesosilver.  This could be an indication
that the Ag4O4 coat does do something very significant, especially
considering that ASAP has far far less surface area than mesosilver to
release silver ions off of.

http://www.resultsrna.com/products/acs_200_overview.php

ASAP 30PPM also does not do anything for me in vivo though.

~David

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 2:06 PM, David AuBuchon  wrote:
> And FYI, the product from ABL called ASAP health max 30PPM has a
> tyndall slightly more than regular EIS, but it is still clear.  The
> average particle size is 10nm.  I think there is some unspoken belief
> that "true" CS products are never clear, which is not correct based in
> this.  So I think it is most correct to note that color and tyndall
> are really a function of total particle surface area per volume, which
> incorporates PPM, particle size, and percentage of particles all at
> once.
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:22 PM, David AuBuchon  
> wrote:
>> Can someone briefly tell me what kind of process that involves?
>>
>> American Biotech Labs for example has their line of products that they
>> claim is 97% particles by mass, and coated with silver oxide.  And by
>> silver oxide, they actually mean Ag4O4 and not Ag2O.  They do it by
>> high-voltage AC current electrolysis.  This technically makes a "true"
>> colloidal silver product according to Frank's classification scheme.
>> This is not the same as Frank's process though, right?  Mesosilver
>> does not involve electrolysis, correct?
>>
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>how is mesosilver made

[David AuBuchon]

And FYI, the product from ABL called ASAP health max 30PPM has a
tyndall slightly more than regular EIS, but it is still clear.  The
average particle size is 10nm.  I think there is some unspoken belief
that "true" CS products are never clear, which is not correct based in
this.  So I think it is most correct to note that color and tyndall
are really a function of total particle surface area per volume, which
incorporates PPM, particle size, and percentage of particles all at
once.

~David

On Sun, Aug 7, 2011 at 1:22 PM, David AuBuchon  wrote:
> Can someone briefly tell me what kind of process that involves?
>
> American Biotech Labs for example has their line of products that they
> claim is 97% particles by mass, and coated with silver oxide.  And by
> silver oxide, they actually mean Ag4O4 and not Ag2O.  They do it by
> high-voltage AC current electrolysis.  This technically makes a "true"
> colloidal silver product according to Frank's classification scheme.
> This is not the same as Frank's process though, right?  Mesosilver
> does not involve electrolysis, correct?
>
> ~David
>
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CS>how is mesosilver made

[David AuBuchon]

Can someone briefly tell me what kind of process that involves?

American Biotech Labs for example has their line of products that they
claim is 97% particles by mass, and coated with silver oxide.  And by
silver oxide, they actually mean Ag4O4 and not Ag2O.  They do it by
high-voltage AC current electrolysis.  This technically makes a "true"
colloidal silver product according to Frank's classification scheme.
This is not the same as Frank's process though, right?  Mesosilver
does not involve electrolysis, correct?

~David


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Re: CS>athletes' foot

[David AuBuchon]

Barwick has some photos - I think on his facebook group - of someone who
took care of some fungal something on their foot if I remember correctly.

~David

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 7:13 PM, Steve G  wrote:

> Apparently CS can be used effectively on athlete's foot according to Steve
> Barwick, author of the 'Ultimate Colloidal Silver Manual.'   I have never
> heard of this guy before googling your question.   And, I've never attempted
> to address fungal infections with it.  I've had great success treating
> athlete's foot with tea tree oil applied once or twice a day with a Q-tip.
>
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 8/4/11, Rod Samuelson * wrote:
>
>
> From: Rod Samuelson 
> Subject: CS>athletes' foot
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Thursday, August 4, 2011, 10:06 PM
>
>
>  Will cs help with athlete fungus?
>
>
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>autohemotherapy and immune boosting

[David AuBuchon]

Ya, that is called autohemotherapy and is similar to things I've done, but less.

~David

On Thu, Aug 4, 2011 at 6:35 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> David,
>
> Some time ago I read about a procedure where they extracted a syringe
> full of blood and injected this intramuscularly.  This really revved
> up the immune system.   You might search for this.  I will see if I
> can find where I read it.
>
> Dan
>
> On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 6:04 PM, David AuBuchon  
> wrote:
>> Adding on to a thread from a year ago on autohemotherapy...I can't
>> directly reply to that thread unforunatately, as I can't find it in my
>> gmail:
>>
>> I just read of a doctor's experience with 50 patients of various
>> diseases using a particular colostrum product, derived from cows that
>> had been "immunologically activated" prior to giving birth, by a
>> proprietary process.  Within 8 months, NK cell activity as measured by
>> something called "lytic units" increased by about a factor of 13 (i.e.
>> 1,200%).  The increase was evenly spread out across all the months.
>> There are 2 other colostrum products out there I really like also, and
>> I think it is possible they work just as well, and I may try all three
>> of them for myself someday.  Transfer factors (a part of colostrum) as
>> well as ordinary whole colostrum have been shown to increase NK cell
>> activity, though perhaps not as much as this particular product.
>>
>> Of course this begs the question what are macrophages, NK cells, etc,
>> and what does increasing their activity really mean in terms of their
>> units of measurement.
>>
>> I have tried major ozone autohemotherapy...with 3 back to back passes
>> in the same sitting with the maximum recommended ozone (200 cc at 70
>> gamma syringe injected into the blood per pass)and no result.
>> Also tried ultraviolet blood irradiation with no result.
>>
>> A couple more suggestions I have for possible autohemotherapy
>> experiments.  It is clear to me that the ozone neither killed a
>> significant amount of bacteria in my blood or created a significant
>> immune response...most probably bartonella being the most prominent
>> bug.  Biofilm is one possibility why.  CS has in dental and waste
>> water applications demonstrated anti biofilm properties.  This makes
>> me think of a couple experiments:
>>
>> 1.  Draw some blood in a syringe preloaded with some CS.  Perhaps only
>> a few drops of blood.  Perhaps let it stay for like a day outside in
>> the fridge.  Then re-inject.  Time is needed to degrade biofilm and
>> guarantee bugs are killed and protein fragments are left for the
>> immune system to recognize.  This may a bad idea for a few reasons.
>> One is CS in high concentrations contacting blood perhaps may damage
>> other things than bugs (i.e. the blood cells)?  And putting those
>> damaged things back in the body will be a toxic burden that needs to
>> be eliminated?  Two is that I don't know what consequences letting the
>> blood stay out of the body for a time would have.  Three is that
>> injecting CS hurts like hell and makes the injection site swell.
>>
>> 2.  Take a finger prick and a few drops of blood, mix it into an ounce
>> of CS.  Let it sit for a day in the fridge.  Consume orally.  Could
>> also be a bad idea for the same reasons.
>>
>> Another therapy from Dr. K for treating lyme is as follows:
>>
>> "A very effective and yet simple technique to re-regulate TH1 and TH2 back is
>> auto-urine therapy. The patient's urine concentrates the antigens (disposed 
>> cell
>> walls and cell fragments of offending microbes which the immune system has
>> successfully eliminated). By passing the client's urine through a micro pore
>> filter and injecting it intra-muscularly, the lymphocytes on patrol in the
>> connective tissue are brought in contact with the antigen and quickly mount a
>> specific and appropriate immune response.
>>
>> We use 2 ml of filtered urine once weekly for 12 weeks. All other similar
>> approaches (autohemotherapy, homeopathic autonosodes, manipulating the immune
>> system with supplements) are far less effective."
>>
>> Just thinking out loud.  Ya, I am stupid and reckless, but also
>> desperate to get well, so I would like to entertain some stupid ideas
>> if y'all don't mind.  Not that I am seriously considering them though.
>>
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>Buying Generator

[David AuBuchon]

I think particle size really only weighs in when concerned about long
term risk of argyria, and not really to do with effectiveness (and it
really isn't even that concerning with regards to argyria risk
either).  Perhaps this may not be true with viruses, just based on
those in vitro studies that show 10nm size or less was needed to
inhibit HIV replication.  Nonetheless, if all things were equal, I
would still prefer smaller rather than larger particles.

~David

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 3:54 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:
> This is what happens when money is involved, and people believe whatever
> appears to be written better than another published blurb.
>
> Everyone has the best unit on the market, and each of those units will
> produce the best product, smallest particles, crystal clear solution, blah
> blah, and anything and everything else is rubbish or poor qualityBunkum!
>
> Any wonder this stuff gets a bad rap, marketers competing for that dollar,
> and then regulations start raising their ugly heads over the horizon.
>
> They all produce the same stuff, and if nothing is pulled out of solution by
> gravity over time, then that product is as good as it's gunna be.
>
> Particle size and solution colour are but two half truths that get bandied
> about.  It's going to be efficacious regardless of 'supposed?' particle size
> and colour of solution.
>
> People should ignore published blurbs and just decide for themselves which
> manufacturers unit they wish to purchase on the merit of the manufacturer
> not the machine.  All machines produce similar stuff.  Although I make my
> own units, the better way to make that decision is by speaking with people
> who are willing to discuss it more honestly and openly without trying to
> push anything or showing pretty pictures of lab results.  Those pics are
> taken from a 'glass slide', and do those pics represent the distribution of
> silver in the entire solution, or just the best looking part of that
> solution, or even when that solution was tested after cessation of
> production?
>
> If 'x' unit functions as it should, the resultant product will be as good as
> it can be, and word will spread, and that/those manufacturer/s will be
> guaranteed repeat business, with a reputation to go with that business.
>
> And THIS site is where I'd start looking for honesty an reputation.
> {opinion, and excluding myself of course as I speak for myself only}
>
> N.
>
>> From: msad...@msadams.com
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: RE: CS>Buying Generator
>> Date: Wed, 3 Aug 2011 15:11:18 -0500
>>
>> Question is not what it costs to make. Question is whether someone is
>> willing to pay that amount to get the product it turns out. For me it was
>> worth it enough to buy 4 units. Granted I got a discount on the follow-up
>> units as a repeat customer.
>>
>> I too wish it was priced lower. It’s a very effective design and that's
>> what
>> we are paying for, the inventor's R & D.
>>
>> > -Original Message-
>> > From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com]
>> > Sent: Wednesday, August 03, 2011 1:01 PM
>> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> > Subject: Re: CS>Buying Generator
>> >
>> > The Meissner research generator would be a good value if it
>> > sold for about $20.
>> >
>> > Granted, some thought has been put into it, but it is merely
>> > a resistor and batteries with silver electrodes.
>> >
>> > Overpriced at $200.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 7:48 AM, Scott Adams
>> >  wrote:
>> > > I have four of the Meissner Industries units and I am very
>> > happy with them.
>> > > According to the lab reports on the web site its claimed to
>> > make some
>> > > of the smallest particles of CS. Takes about 3 days to make a half
>> > > gallon batch.
>> > >
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CS>autohemotherapy and immune boosting

[David AuBuchon]

Adding on to a thread from a year ago on autohemotherapy...I can't
directly reply to that thread unforunatately, as I can't find it in my
gmail:

I just read of a doctor's experience with 50 patients of various
diseases using a particular colostrum product, derived from cows that
had been "immunologically activated" prior to giving birth, by a
proprietary process.  Within 8 months, NK cell activity as measured by
something called "lytic units" increased by about a factor of 13 (i.e.
1,200%).  The increase was evenly spread out across all the months.
There are 2 other colostrum products out there I really like also, and
I think it is possible they work just as well, and I may try all three
of them for myself someday.  Transfer factors (a part of colostrum) as
well as ordinary whole colostrum have been shown to increase NK cell
activity, though perhaps not as much as this particular product.

Of course this begs the question what are macrophages, NK cells, etc,
and what does increasing their activity really mean in terms of their
units of measurement.

I have tried major ozone autohemotherapy...with 3 back to back passes
in the same sitting with the maximum recommended ozone (200 cc at 70
gamma syringe injected into the blood per pass)and no result.
Also tried ultraviolet blood irradiation with no result.

A couple more suggestions I have for possible autohemotherapy
experiments.  It is clear to me that the ozone neither killed a
significant amount of bacteria in my blood or created a significant
immune response...most probably bartonella being the most prominent
bug.  Biofilm is one possibility why.  CS has in dental and waste
water applications demonstrated anti biofilm properties.  This makes
me think of a couple experiments:

1.  Draw some blood in a syringe preloaded with some CS.  Perhaps only
a few drops of blood.  Perhaps let it stay for like a day outside in
the fridge.  Then re-inject.  Time is needed to degrade biofilm and
guarantee bugs are killed and protein fragments are left for the
immune system to recognize.  This may a bad idea for a few reasons.
One is CS in high concentrations contacting blood perhaps may damage
other things than bugs (i.e. the blood cells)?  And putting those
damaged things back in the body will be a toxic burden that needs to
be eliminated?  Two is that I don't know what consequences letting the
blood stay out of the body for a time would have.  Three is that
injecting CS hurts like hell and makes the injection site swell.

2.  Take a finger prick and a few drops of blood, mix it into an ounce
of CS.  Let it sit for a day in the fridge.  Consume orally.  Could
also be a bad idea for the same reasons.

Another therapy from Dr. K for treating lyme is as follows:

"A very effective and yet simple technique to re-regulate TH1 and TH2 back is
auto-urine therapy. The patient's urine concentrates the antigens (disposed cell
walls and cell fragments of offending microbes which the immune system has
successfully eliminated). By passing the client's urine through a micro pore
filter and injecting it intra-muscularly, the lymphocytes on patrol in the
connective tissue are brought in contact with the antigen and quickly mount a
specific and appropriate immune response.

We use 2 ml of filtered urine once weekly for 12 weeks. All other similar
approaches (autohemotherapy, homeopathic autonosodes, manipulating the immune
system with supplements) are far less effective."

Just thinking out loud.  Ya, I am stupid and reckless, but also
desperate to get well, so I would like to entertain some stupid ideas
if y'all don't mind.  Not that I am seriously considering them though.

~David


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Re: CS>lupus

[David AuBuchon]

I'll say its either infection of food allergies.

~David

On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:18 PM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> Has anyone any information or experience of the above please?  A friend has 
> this and I was wondering if there is any help for it.  Many thanks.  dee
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Re: CS>asthma

[David AuBuchon]

Sorry, I have not heard of this, but am glad it is helping you.  Those
improvements are quite impressive for breathing exercises.  I would
still encourage you to pursue things that could potentially remove a
root cause of the asthma, as opposed to manage.  Nebulized colloidal
silver, liposomal colostrum, food allergy elimination, and liposomal
glutathione would be my suggestions.

I used to take albuterol, advair, and singulair...not entirely sure
how I got off of them, but I did...must have partially "outgrown it"
or something.

~David

On Sun, Jul 31, 2011 at 3:14 PM, Kathy Tankersley
 wrote:
> Back in March of this year I started the Buyeko breathing method for my
> asthma.  I am much better, with a big difference the first week.  I went off
> steroids, I was using my albuterol mist machine  4 times a day, the rescue
> inhaler, 4-5 times a day, Advair, singular.I haven't used the albuterol mist
> machine for some time, the rescue inhaler maybe 1 every day or two, I still
> take advair and singular, but am looking to get off the advair hopefully.
> I'm much much better, still cannot run a race, but I can take walks, and
> work in my flowers, and do my housework.  I'm 73 and thankfull for eveery
> breath I take.
> What I'm wanting to know is:  Is there anyone else that has had an
> experience with this method?  I'd like to hear from you.
> Kathy


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RE: CS>Re: 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book

[David Bearrow]

Oops sorry, that wasn't the book. It was just a 2 page article written by
Bob. The book used to be at:

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/OLDBob's_Book/

But the directory is empty now. 

David bearrow 

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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 1:33 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: RE: CS>Re: 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book

It's on Waynes old site still:

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/BasicInformation/History%20of%20Colloidal%20S
ilver%20-%20Ole%20Bob.doc

David Bearrow 

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Sent: Thursday, July 14, 2011 10:03 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book


my memory is that when Ole Bob died, his wife did give permission to allow
the book to be shared with the Silverlist.  i believed Wayne had a copy
saved on his website, but i have not been able to locate it there this
morning.  Marshall or Ode may remember where the file is located so that all
can go read and save it to their computer.  

any one else remember this?

julie m


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RE: CS>Re: 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book

[David Bearrow]

It's on Waynes old site still:

http://www.fugitt.com/cs_notes/BasicInformation/History%20of%20Colloidal%20S
ilver%20-%20Ole%20Bob.doc

David Bearrow 

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To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Re: 'Ole Bob's Colloidal Silver Book


my memory is that when Ole Bob died, his wife did give permission to allow
the book to be shared with the Silverlist.  i believed Wayne had a copy
saved on his website, but i have not been able to locate it there this
morning.  Marshall or Ode may remember where the file is located so that all
can go read and save it to their computer.  

any one else remember this?

julie m


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Re: CS>Fluoride q's

[David AuBuchon]

I might suggest searching mercola.com for fluoride.  He probably links
to many things.  I think one interesting point he mentioned in a video
is that the serving size of tooth paste that we put on our brush is
like 25 times what is recommended on the bottle.

On Thu, Jul 14, 2011 at 6:54 AM, Lisa  wrote:
> Hi All,
>
>
>
> Does anybody have any documentation (scientific) that points to fluoride as
> NOT being good for you. I’ve switched dentists and he is quite receptive and
> actually listens quite well. I’d like to offer up something for him that
> shows just how bad fluoride is (he agrees to the extent where too much
> fluoride is bad for you). If anybody’s got any documentation/papers etc.,
> that I could point him to – I’d really appreciate it.
>
>
>
> TIA.
>
>
>
> Lisa


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Re: CS>request

[David AuBuchon]

Definetely helps lyme usually.  I would work up slowly to 8 fl oz a
day, at at pace that causes me no unpleasant herxes.

~David

On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 6:46 PM, Rod Samuelson
 wrote:
> Basics on using colloidal silver:
>
> How much should I take daily?
>
> Does it help against Lyme disease?
>
> The we b says it does but I need more info than the web.
>
>
>
> Rod Samuelson
> 860-881-3734 cell
> new email address  rsamuels...@cox.net
>
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CS>Infusion for Stimulation of the Liver

[David Bearrow]

 
It's a good idea when experiancing a herxheimer reaction to stimulate the
liver. The following recipe is from Raymond Dextreit's book "Earth Cures". I
translated from his old fashioned European measures into US measures. I use
this every spring to reduce my seasonal allergies. It's very tasty and all
the herbs are available in bulk on the net.

Infusion for Stimulation of the Liver

Ingredients:
3 tablespoons Horsetail
3 tablespoons Licorice Root
3 tablespoons Rosemary
3 tablespoons Woodruff
2 tablespoons Marigold
2 tablespoons Peppermint

Put 2 level tablespoons in 1 cup of boiling water. Remove from heat. Cover
and infuse for 15 minutes. Strain into mug. Take 1 cup after each meal. Can
be sweetened with honey if desired.

David Bearrow


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Re: CS>AgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol

[David AuBuchon]

(sorry if this message was duplicated)

I don't think the breast cancer study used argentyn.  Maybe were
talking about different studies.  This quote says Ag4O4:

"Thirty Central American female patients, diagnosed with breast cancer
by an oncologist utilizing mammograms and biopsies, comprised a
subject group 32 to 52 years of age. Each received a single
intravenous dosage of silver-oxide-hydrosol ([Ag.sub.4][O.sub.4]) to
achieve a blood plasma concentration of 10 ppm. The 30 subjects were
equally divided by three histologic groups: infiltrative canalicular
breast carcinoma (Group I), ductile carcinoma, medular breast cancer
(Group II), and infiltrative lobular breast cancer (Group III). The
dose was administered to 50% of the patients over ten minutes and to
the other 50% over four hours within each respective group. (33) "
http://www.oasisadvancedwellness.com/learning/cancer-silver-infection.html

Someone from ABL responded to my emails:

"All of our products are made with our patented SilverSol
Technology®,which consists of 3 to 5 nanometer sized metallic silver
particles, each with its own thin skin of Ag4O4.  Utilizing any of our
products would give you its benefits.  You can purchase it in most
health food stores and online under the name Silver Biotics®.  It also
comes in a gel form under the name ASAP Ultimate Skin & Body Care
Gel®. "

Though Frank's reports show ASAP products are not that small
particles.  Anyway, I think I'll give a bottle of Silver Biotics a
whack.

~David


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Re: CS>AgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol

[David AuBuchon]

And then, the maker of Oxysilver (a Dr. Len Horowitz), says that they
ripped off his product (which may imply oxysilver is also Ag4O4).  He
says that ABL, and its like 7 or 8 different names of silver products
that it sells on various websites are a government scam to manipulate
the growing interest in colloidal silver for various purposes.  He
says the FDA seems to allow them make claims, while they cracked down
on his product.  (I did in fact see blatant claims against tons of
illnesses on one of their sites that I checked.  In one of their
videos, they state that they are allowed to make claims because they
have filed a patent...that is not how it is supposed to legally work
though as far as I know!)  .

http://web.mac.com/len15/SilverSolFraud/SilverSolFraud.com.html

He says the "frequencies" in the silversol products may cause cancer
and that it is a depopulation scheme to take out the natural health
oriented people who are the ones who tend to talk about depopulation
conspiracies, etc.

Man...I'm just trying to try a new silver product that won't give me
cancer and be certain it is something I have not tried before (Ag4O4).
 Not sure what to think of this particular mudslinging.

~David


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Re: CS>AgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol

[David AuBuchon]

What confuses me is that American Biotech labs told me they don't have
Ag4O4 in their products, but if I am not mistaken, ABL also makes
"guardian silver sol"?

"It is one we made but not one we actually manufacture.  The only ones
you will find are the supplements at the health foods stores under
Silver Biotics or ASAP Solution."

~David


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CS>AgO4 is the ingredient in Guardian Silver Sol

[David AuBuchon]

Or so their website claims.  This is the only Ag4O4 product I have heard of
on the market.  Anyone have experience with this chemical and how it differs
from EIS?

http://www.guardiansilversol.com/what-is-silver-sol/colloidal-silver/

If I recall, I read somewhere it is hard on the liver or kidneys.  The say
it "recharges" itself to kill more bacteria (whatever that means).  They say
the silver ions that somehow or the other results from this compound are
missing two electrons, and not one.  They say this is due to some high
voltage something or the other they use when making it.

I do not see any info on this product in Frank's product report page.  This
was also the chemical that was used in that breast cancer study.

Thinking of giving it a try for my probable unkillable bartonella.

~David

Re: CS> OT: HELP: Hazarous Smart Meters!

[David AuBuchon]

"Earthing" is a new fad you could say that is believed to shield you from
EMF.  It is cheapt to implement.  I heard from 3 or 4 lymies who reported
better sleep with it actually.  I have lyme (probably bartonella is the
issue) but personally have not noticed anything from doing earthing.
Earthing means putting yourself in electrical contact with the ground.  You
do this while you sleep by using electrically conductive fabric for
bedding.  Then you run a wire from that fabric and that wire plugs into the
wall.  Your body touches the fabric, which touches the wire, which touches
the wall socket, and part of the electrical stuff in the wall socket
actually leads to the ground.  You can buy premade kits for earthing, but it
is cheapest to implement your own setup by purchasing components from
lessemf.com.  I sleep on a homemade electrically grounded pillowcase for
example.

~David

On Wed, Jun 29, 2011 at 6:31 PM, jenny goodhealth <
jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Mine looks digital with Smart Metere written on it, which was installed by
> PG&E technician.  Hope this help.
>
> Jen -
>
> --- On *Wed, 6/29/11, Shar * wrote:
>
>
> From: Shar 
> Subject: Re: CS> OT: HELP: Hazarous Smart Meters!
> To: "silver-list" 
> Date: Wednesday, June 29, 2011, 12:47 AM
>
>
>  What does the smart meter look like?  How does it distinguish itself from
> the regular meter?  Is it digital?  I just had my meter changed by
> electricians that redid my wiring and it looks like the same meter, hoping
> it's not a smart meter
>
> Shar
>
> On Tue, Jun 28, 2011 at 7:09 AM, Dan Nave 
> http://us.mc1201.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=bhangcha...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> They should be able to cover the wall or the floor in question with a
> metallic screen which is grounded to attenuate the signal coming into their
> area...
>
> Dan
>
>   On Sun, Jun 26, 2011 at 10:25 PM, Marshall 
> http://us.mc1201.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=mdud...@king-cart.com>
> > wrote:
>
> **
> This has been discussed fairly extensively on the eso_healing list.  There
> are steps some are taking to counteract these adverse affects, and those
> listed below match what others are saying almost precisely.  It is, from
> some reports like WiFi, but much worse.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> On 6/26/2011 8:09 PM, Dan Nave wrote:
>
> What is it that you think the smart meters are doing?
>
> Dan
>
> On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 7:43 PM, jenny goodhealth <
> jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com<http://us.mc1201.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>  Dear  all,
>
> Last week, a friend of mine complained to me that she has gotten very sick
> (fatigue, headache and tennitis) from PG&E recent installed 7 smart meters
> in her apartment complex.  The smart meters are just on the wall next to her
> stuido apartment.
>
> I also just realize that PG&E has also installed 35+ smart meters in the
> meter room which is just 2 levels below my apartment since Nov, 2010.  The
> meter room is 2 levels below the left end of my livng room while my bedroom
> is on the right end.  My bedroom is about 16 feet away from left end of my
> living room.  So far, I can't tell whether I have had any adverse effects
> from the smart meters as I have been recovering from lyme & mycoplasma
> infections whose symtoms are similar to the radiaton effects of the smart
> meters incluidng fatigue, headache and tennitis.  I have been having these
> symptoms for years and started ozone treatment 3 months ago which has gotten
> me better.
>
> Well, moving is my last resort as I have limited resources, without family
> in the U.S. and I am still trying to recover.  Please advise on how to
> protect myself.  Are there any proven, effective EMF radtiation proctection
> devices in the market.  I also heard that there is some sort of EMF
> protection paint we can use to paint our apartment with but I am unsure its
> effectivenss.  Pls. advise.  Thanks.
>
> Jen  -
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Chemo and silver?

[David AuBuchon]

I know of 1 study where 30 cases of breast cancer were remitted with a
silver compound:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_274/ai_n16359688/

Though I doubt the person on the phone knew anything about it.

~David

On Sat, Jun 25, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> She was lying to get your interest and/or support?  dee
>
>
> On 25 Jun 2011, at 13:44, Neville Munn wrote:
>
> > While I'm here praps someone could answer this for me.
> >
> > I had someone ring a while ago asking for a donation to some cancer
> research mob.  I told the lady that they don't look for cures, they only
> look for more treatments, and besides, I take my own anti cancer medication.
>  She asked what that was and I told her 'silver', she said that silver was
> included in the chemo treatment for cancer.  My question is, does anyone
> know anything about this?  I googled and found nothing relating to chemo and
> silver.
> >
> > N.
>
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Re: CS>PLEASE HELP ME! strange back pain which always changed position

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Niketa,

I thought lyme disease even before I read he had a tick bite.  Migrating
pain is consistent with Lyme.  How much CS does he take a day?  He may want
to take much more if he only takes a little.  Maybe like 8 fl. oz. a day I
would say is good, which would require making it at home for financial
feasability.

The nutramedix herbs are very good for lyme.  I know that at least Samento
does cause encysting of lyme, and maybe some of the others do.  None the
less, Samento is a fabulous tool to have against Lyme disease.  Has he taken
Samento, and if so, can he correlate his symptoms with times he stopped
taking Samento (i.e. the dormant bugs come out again)?

~David

On Sat, Jun 11, 2011 at 10:28 AM, PTF  wrote:

> You might want to try an acupuncturist or someone who is trained in NAET or
> some other kind of allergy elimination technique in case it is a result of
> an allergic reaction to the medications.
>
> You say it is painful to touch but is it better with more pressure?
> PT
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "NikitaB" 
> To: 
> Sent: Saturday, June 11, 2011 1:17 PM
> Subject: CS>PLEASE HELP ME! strange back pain which always changed position
>
>
>
>  This is my first question on this forum and I hope there is somebody who
>> has experience with the following problem.
>>
>> My father is 91 years of age and has always been fairly healthy. The last
>> few years he is always very exhausted. Approx. 20 years ago he has been
>> bitten by a tick and therefore he follows a homeopathic cure of NutraMedix
>> products and takes daily home made CS.
>>
>> Two month ago he got a strange back pain which always changes position. It
>> started 4 inches above the perineum on the left side of the backbone. Then
>> the pain moved up to below the left shoulder blade, then to the right side
>> of the backbone below the shoulder blade. Currently around the backbone to
>> about 4 inches left and right and covers an area up to 12 inches. Father has
>> also the same pain on his left breast and got finally a similar pain in his
>> right breast.
>>
>> This area is so sensitive that even the softest touch results a lot of
>> pain. It is also noteworthy that if you gently rub this area the pain
>> diminishes somewhat slowly. Getting up from his bed and movement is very
>> painful and to ease the pain somewhat he needs to take at least 3x 2
>> paracetamol tablets daily. To ease the pain we are putting now something on
>> his back that stimulates blood circulation and gives a warm feeling. With
>> this all he can have lots of warmth on his back and therefore he is now
>> sleeping on a double wool blanket which feels incredibly hot with summer
>> temperatures.
>>
>> My father has Chronic Obstructive Pulmonary Disease and has been checked
>> by our doctor and in the hospital where they also took some lung photo's.
>> Both doctors say father is very healthy for a man of his age. The solution
>> of the doctors for the pain is either paracetamol or some codeine product.
>> According to a physiologist his muscles in his back are slightly swollen.
>> Massaging the back will give some pain relief for a just a moment.
>>
>> Could this pain be a result of some parasites of Lyme disease? I myself
>> think it has something to do with muscles. Somewhere in February father got
>> Alendronic Acid 70 mg 1x a week together with daily a calcium/D3 tablet for
>> reinforcement of his bones. After that moment he experienced strange
>> sensations in his legs and muscles. Now these two drugs have been stopped.
>>
>> Does somebody of this forum recognize these symptoms? If you know a good
>> solution for this problem please send me a message!
>>
>> Thank you very much in advance for your kind help.
>>
>> Nikita Bohnen
>> The Netherlands
>>
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Re: CS> silver,gold,titanium w/ozone injection cures lyme & mycoplasma

[David AuBuchon]

I have thought that if people had ports that daily injections of CS would be
very helpful along with whatever antibimicrobials people are taking.  I know
of a couple lyme clinics where high PPM silver protein was injected on
people, and the results were very good according to the clinics.  I also had
similar treatment, but did not get any results really.  I also have recently
experimented with parental injections of a 100PPM silver product, without
any results.  My case is I think is stubborn bartonella.  I have also read a
handful of testimonials of IV CS working well for lyme.

~David

On Wed, Jun 8, 2011 at 7:20 PM, jenny goodhealth <
jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> I am currently investigating the effects of daily injection of 10 ppm
> silver, gold, titanium w/ozone to cure lyme & mycoplasma.  Does anyone have
> any info?  Or do you know/know of any good yahoo support groups
> /websites/youtube videos discussing this?   Thanks.
>
> Jen -
>

CS>what is in ACS 200?

[David AuBuchon]

http://www.resultsrna.com/products/acs_200_overview.php

They claim 200PPM.  Frank tested it and measured 60PPM and classified it as
ionic silver.  How can they achieve such a high PPM?  Adding electrolytes to
the brew perhaps?

And what is the gimmick behind what they call "wetter water"?:

"Far beyond ‘colloidal silvers’ in performance, ACS 200® provides 200 parts
per million of uniquely energized silver molecules, which are suspended in
“wetter water”®; a proprietary micronutrient transport medium that is 43%
lower in surface tension, enabling rapid penetration through all biological
systems."

~David

Re: CS>aneurism

[David AuBuchon]

This Eidon product has WAY more silica than BioSil, which is the only other
product I know of that claims bioavailable silica.  And this is cheaper too!


On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:50 PM, jaxi  wrote:

> Not a good idea.  Cold beverages are fine but mixing with hot is not.
>
> Jaxi
>
>
> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 7:19 PM, Smitty  wrote:
>
>> Thanks. Could I use it in morning coffee ?
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 1:59 PM, Guyot Léna  wrote:
>>
>>> I usually use about a rounded tablespoon, daily. Léna
>>>
>>> On Jun 6, 2011, at 7:32 PM, Smitty wrote:
>>>
>>> How much DE do you use
>>> in your smoothies ?
>>> Smitty
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:
>>>
 Thanks Jaxi,
 I know someone who extolls the virtues of some extremely costly silica
 powder, but I've settled for using DE in my smoothies, as well as the dog's
 food.

 Be well,
 Léna

 On Jun 6, 2011, at 6:21 PM, jaxi wrote:

 Yes.  It is very high in silica.

 Jaxi

 On Mon, Jun 6, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Guyot Léna wrote:

> Is food grade diatomaceous earth a helpful source of silica?
> Be well,
> Léna
>
>  On Jun 6, 2011, at 12:40 PM, Shirley Reed wrote:
>
> Few are aware that the mineral silica contributes greatly to the
> pliability of many body structures.  Many know it helps the appearance and
> strength of skin tissue, but it gives flexibility to arteries, veins, and
> capillaries also.  The quickest acting supplement that I know of is the
> silica concentrate from www.eidon.com   It took only 2 days before I
> was definitely  aware that pliability was increasing in my body.  Best
> wishes,  pj
>
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Re: CS>OT Chemo advice please?

[David AuBuchon]

micelles are like liposomes but generally smaller if I understand correctly.
  They will be the best absorbed and target the cancer I think.  THe Vit D
spray you are mentioning may be liposomal, which is also just as good.

On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 4:10 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> just an added thought here.  What about the spray Vit D3?  This is what I
> use as its supposed to be the most bioavailable source.  dee
>
>
> On 25 May 2011, at 03:48, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
> > It is so ridicuulous...basically any natural supplement has more chance
> of improving chemo than not...it is that ridiculous.  If you just threw
> darts at a board you'd do well.  Some of the better ones I would take are:
> >
> > liposomal vitamin C...like 10 grams a day
> > liposomal ubiquinol (from epic health)...like 400mg a day
> > samento from nutramedix...like 30 drops twice a day
> > Heavy Metal Detox (HMD) ...its a chlorella and other stuff
> tincture...whatever the bottle says
> > If you can afford it...take LifeOne liposomal cocktail.
> > Passion4Life is my favorite multivitamin at present...take like 4 times
> the recommended
> > Micellized Vitamin D3 from Klaire Labs...like 10,000 units worth a day
> >
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Re: CS>OT Chemo advice please?

[David AuBuchon]

It is so ridicuulous...basically any natural supplement has more chance of
improving chemo than not...it is that ridiculous.  If you just threw darts
at a board you'd do well.  Some of the better ones I would take are:

liposomal vitamin C...like 10 grams a day
liposomal ubiquinol (from epic health)...like 400mg a day
samento from nutramedix...like 30 drops twice a day
Heavy Metal Detox (HMD) ...its a chlorella and other stuff
tincture...whatever the bottle says
If you can afford it...take LifeOne liposomal cocktail.
Passion4Life is my favorite multivitamin at present...take like 4 times the
recommended
Micellized Vitamin D3 from Klaire Labs...like 10,000 units worth a day

Basically anything that improves chemo, ends up treating cancer by itself
anyway.

For example, here is all stuff that protects from radiation:
http://scientificliving.net/2011/03/36-supplements-to-protect-yourself-from-radiation/
Most of those will also apply to chemotherapy.

~David

On Tue, May 24, 2011 at 7:32 PM, Del  wrote:

>Kirsteen:
>
> I am no expert, but I have done a lot of research on cancer for my sister
> and we have a friend on chemo who has also given us good information.
> Basically, chemo trashes your immune system, so you have to take
> supplements that will fortify you.
> The most important one we have found is IP6-Inositol.
> Please read this article for information on IP6:
> http://jn.nutrition.org/content/133/11/3778S.full
> Our friend with cancer was told by her doctor to take this while on chemo
> to keep her immune system working.
> My wife and I started taking it every day just to strengthen our immune
> systems, and my health has shown a visible improvement since.
> For cancer patients, they recommend two scoops of the powder per day, but I
> can’t tolerate the powder, so I take the capsules – it takes 16 capsules to
> equal two scoops, but I only take four to eight per day.
> You should also be taking a minimum of 5000 IU of Vit D3 per day and as
> much Liposomal C as you can tolerate, which you can buy from Livon Labs or
> make it yourself according to the Brooks Bradley method (well documented on
> this list).
> Here are some resources for those:
>
> http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2011/03/10/what-dose-of-oral-vitamin-d-do-you-need-to-prevent-cancer.aspx
> http://www.lewrockwell.com/sardi/sardi144.html
> You should also consider LDN (low dose naltrexone) to strengthen your
> immune system, especially as regards lymphedema, since you will have lymph
> glands removed – see the following:
>
> http://whitakerwellness.com/our-therapies/low-dose-naltrexone/content/story/Improvements-in-Lymphedema.html
> Finally, diet and exercise (if possible) are important.  You need to
> eliminate refined sugar and cut down on carbs.  Mercola has a lot of
> information on this.
>
> Hope this helps.
> Sorry it is so late.
>
> Del
>
> You should also eat an anti-cancer diet (no sugar, low carbs):
>
>
>
>  *From:* Kirsteen Wright 
> *Sent:* Tuesday, May 24, 2011 6:39 AM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* CS>OT Chemo advice please?
>
> Hi All
>
> I'm about to undergo a course of Chemotherapy and Herceptin followed by
> surgery for an aggressive breast and lymph node cancer.
>
> Can I first of all please ask, no advice not to have it. I find that really
> upsetting as it's already a done deal and will be going ahead. What I was
> hoping someone could advise me is what to take to mitigate the effects of
> the chemo. I already have M.E. so am laid up a lot of the time in bed with
> that with accompanying shakes, nausea, dizziness and swollen glands.
> Obviously the chemo will make all this worse so is there anything I can take
> to ease the side effects?
>
> Thanks in advance
> Kirsteen
>
>

Re: CS>Silver 100 KC6H6O7Ag

[David AuBuchon]

Possibly an answer from their patent.  Looks doable perhaps:

http://patft.uspto.gov/netacgi/nph-Parser?Sect2=PTO1&Sect2=HITOFF&p=1&u=/netahtml/PTO/search-bool.html&r=1&f=G&l=50&d=PALL&RefSrch=yes&Query=PN/6838095

Example 1

Two and one-half liters of pure water were placed in a 5-gallon (1
9-liter functional capacity) carboy mounted on a magnetic stirrer with
a Teflon-coated magnetic stir bar placed inside the carboy, turning on
the stirrer at low speed, adding 6.7675 grams of citric acid anhydrous
powder (reagent grade), 11.43 grams of potassium citrate monohydrate
crystal (reagent grade), and 2.2450 grams of silver oxide powder
(reagent grade), stirring at low speed for approximately 45 minutes.
Next more water was slowly fed while continuing to stir at low speed
for approximately an additional 15 minutes and stopping the water
input when the level reaches approximately 8-9 liters. Then, the stir
speed was turned to high and stirring continued for approximately an
additional 30 minutes, filling the carboy to approximately the
18-liter mark, turning off the stirrer, opening the water input valve
and stopping the water input at precisely the 19-liter mark, turning
the stirrer back on to the high speed, and stirring for an additional
60 minutes.

~David

On Thu, May 5, 2011 at 1:22 PM, David AuBuchon  wrote:
> Anyone hear of silver 100? Anyone know if this silver 100 (chemical
> formula KC6H6O7Ag) can be cheaply made at home?
>
> http://www.silver100.com/
>
> They claim it totally changes the way ions are released into the blood stream.
>
> ~David
>
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CS>Silver 100 KC6H6O7Ag

[David AuBuchon]

Anyone hear of silver 100? Anyone know if this silver 100 (chemical
formula KC6H6O7Ag) can be cheaply made at home?

http://www.silver100.com/

They claim it totally changes the way ions are released into the blood stream.

~David


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Re: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda

[David AuBuchon]

Thanks a lot.  I will be looking into this.

~David

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 6:16 AM,   wrote:
> In a message dated 4/21/2011 3:24:00 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes:
>
> Are your cancer spots internal or external?   I was diagnosed with stage 4
> ovarian cancer in late Jan.  Never knew it was there--felt fine, then whack
> in the head.Had operation Feb 9 & over 99 % was removed- {Dr. said } On
> April 1st Had pain & went to emergency. Cat scan found blood clot in right
> leg & in both lungs..also possible cancer on pelvic bone & tail bone... I am
> using the DMSO/baking soda on those areasNot sure if it is working but
> still will keep it up..4 sets of 6 days application--6 days none.  { repeat
> 4 times..}
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David AuBuchon
>>  wrote:
>>> Hi ZZekelink,
>>>
>>> About the transdermal bicarb:
>>>
>>> 1.  Is distilled water okay?  Or should I get sterile water from a
>>> doctor?  (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some
>>> states)  I use distilled water made from our own distiller.
>>>
>>> 2.  What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO? The
>>> baking soda is mixed in a very clean glass bottle. We put it in a shot glass
>>> & add the DMSO just before I apply it. { It's nice & warm }
>>>
>>> 3.  Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici?  I did
>>> not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me
>>> in an email response he sent me either. I found the info. on the DMSO
>>> group site. DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO sign in .
>>>
>>> 4.  Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor?  So
>>> this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right?--- Yes---You
>>> should keep body PH at 8.5 or better...Juicing veggies & fruit helps Gerson
>>> cancer protocal.
>>> 5.  If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub
>>> it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest?  Right on the tumor.
>>>
>>> 6.  What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20
>>> times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day?  Is it
>>> the more the merrier?  This I don't know..I'm following the directions..
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>> ~David
>
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Re: CS>Domestic Magnetic Fields

[David AuBuchon]

THere is something called "earthing" also which is cheap to implement.

~David

On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:17 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:
> I use a blow dryer also but it is rarely 2" from my head more like 6 or
> 8 since I have longish hair.
> Thanks, Brooks.
> PT
>
> 
> From: Deborah Gerard 
> To: "silver-list@eskimo.com" 
> Sent: Fri, April 22, 2011 12:33:00 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Domestic Magnetic Fields
>
> Thank-you Brooks for this infocould you speak further on the subject
> along with cell phone info and what
> we can do to protect ourself or detox the toxins from using these products.
> I use a blow dryer but no micro
> wave oventhanks in advance  Debbie
> From: Brooks Bradley 
> To: Silver-list@eskimo.com
> Sent: Thursday, April 21, 2011 4:37 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>Domestic Magnetic Fields
>
>             In a recent conversation among our peers, a comment by
> one;person peaked my interest.
> The remark related to electrically-generated magnetic fields
> presenting among common household
> appliances/devices.  I was surprised to hear that the typical hair
> dryer generates a magnetic field of
> 17,440 nanotesla (nT) at 60 hz, when the discharge nozzle is held 2
> inches from the head (QUITE A COMMON DISTANCE).
> Since the average household
> (background) magnetic field is 40 to 50 nT and adverse effects for
> humans start to appear at about
> 200nTthis should RED FLAG  users of hair dryers.  The field
> strength of a magnet is inversely proportional
> to the distance from it.  Such evidence recommends the user of
> hand-held hair dryer keep the discharge  nozzle no CLOSER
> THAN 6 " TO THE HEAD.
>           We have conducted much research into the benefits of using
> magnetic devices for human health support.and continue to do so.
> However, there are certain cautions which should be observedand
> this seems to one of them.  This is especially so when considering
> that a majority of helpful magnetic devices employ non-oscillating
> frequencies of less than 10 hz;  DC sources or permanent magnets.
> Household AC power is supplied at 60hz and 110 to 220 volts AC
>           I have one other comment to make regarding household
> appliances.  The vast majority of American families employ the use of
> a microwave
> oven.  There is, in most cases, a suggested comment by the food
> companies (included in the Cooking Directions  section) which states
> one should allow the
> foodstuff to remain in the ovenor to be allowed to sit for two or
> so minutesbefore consuming.  The implication being that such
> allows an improved heat
> dispersion throughout the foodstuff.  However, a more accurate
> analysis could be that the food company does this to mitigate against
> the effects of a possible
> lawsuit which might be encountered .for a condition caused or
> aggravated by cellular radiation exposure.  Few among the general
> public are aware that
> residual "microwave frequency" radiation DOES NOT vanish
> instantaneously  with the removal of power from the magnetron tube
> (when power is turned off).
> Actually, there is a time lapse varying from 2 to, sometimes, 4
> minutes BEFORE  the radiation actually dissipates from the target
> foodstuff cell structure.
> It is quite feasible for someone to extract food from a microwave and
> ingest it BEFORE the radiation envelop completely dissipates.  If you
> are tempted
> to disregard this comment as inconsequential, I would remind you that
> the typical microwave oven manufacturers are allowed to generate
> exposure levels
> of around 5000mW/cm2 (thats Milli-watts)and in 1950's, Operation
> Pandora"s Box revealed that exposure levels of  18uW/cm2  (that's
> MICRO-WATTS) caused the U.S. Embassy
> staff in Moscow, USSR, to present with the highest level of cancer
> incidence per head of population---IN THE WORLD.  The microwave oven
> power levels were measured 20" IN FRONT of the microwave window.
> MORAL;  NEVER PLACE YOUR HEAD CLOSE TO THE FRONT OF THE MICROWAVE
> WINDOW  while it is operating.
>
> Sincerely,  Brooks Bradley.
>
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Re: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda

[David AuBuchon]

And did this give you results?

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:23 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Are your cancer spots internal or external?
>
> ~David
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> Hi ZZekelink,
>>
>> About the transdermal bicarb:
>>
>> 1.  Is distilled water okay?  Or should I get sterile water from a
>> doctor?  (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some
>> states)
>>
>> 2.  What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO?
>>
>> 3.  Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici?  I did
>> not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me
>> in an email response he sent me either.
>>
>> 4.  Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor?  So
>> this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right?
>>
>> 5.  If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub
>> it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest?
>>
>> 6.  What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20
>> times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day?  Is it
>> the more the merrier?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:14 AM,   wrote:
>>> In a message dated 4/18/2011 10:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>>> aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes:
>>>
>>> If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set
>>> up?  I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add
>>> to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface.
>>> Thanks,~David
>>>
>>> Hi David, I am at present using the DMSO/baking soda application to two
>>> possible remaining cancer spots..Check out--
>>>  Based on the work of Dr Tullio Simoncini of Rome, Italy, maintaining an
>>> alkaline pH of around 8.5 or so in the tumor and vicinity for 3 weeks will
>>> kill many types of cancers.   Dr. Simoncini uses the lab procedures and
>>> protocols for using intravenous sodium bicarbonate as approved by the FDA
>>> for cardiac infarctions to treat most cancers.
>>> http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
>>> http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/the-simoncini-treatment-of-cancer/
>>> To make liquid Sodium Bicarb* you get 250ml of sterile water and add 5mg ( a
>>> level tea spoon ) of sodium Bicarb. pH should be between 8.5 and 9. You can
>>> find pH strips at fish
>>> supply stores and pharmacies, or order on line. Make sure it is for the
>>> range of pH you are testing, some are very specific.
>>>
>>> Dr Simoncini used this to inject directly into the tumor, often under
>>> radiographic guidance for deeper tumors.
>>>
>>> DMSO and Sodium Bicarbonate
>>> To use DMSO to deliver the SB into the tumor by topical application:
>>> Using a 5ml syringe and measure 4 ml of the Sodium Bicarb solution into a
>>> small bottle and add 1ml of DMSO. Always add DMSO to water and never add
>>> water to DMSO due to the release of heat.. For all cancers you can just rub
>>> this on your chest and it will absorb through your skin and head straight to
>>> the tumour.
>>> For Lung Cancer you can also use a nebulizer and put a 20ml mix into the
>>> nebulizer, use this for 6 days and then stop for 6 days. The recommendation
>>> is to do this 4 times and then a scan.
>>> *Sodium Bicarbonate is baking soda, do not confuse it with baking powder.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
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Re: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda

[David AuBuchon]

Are your cancer spots internal or external?

~David

On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 12:22 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Hi ZZekelink,
>
> About the transdermal bicarb:
>
> 1.  Is distilled water okay?  Or should I get sterile water from a
> doctor?  (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some
> states)
>
> 2.  What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO?
>
> 3.  Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici?  I did
> not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me
> in an email response he sent me either.
>
> 4.  Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor?  So
> this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right?
>
> 5.  If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub
> it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest?
>
> 6.  What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20
> times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day?  Is it
> the more the merrier?
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:14 AM,   wrote:
>> In a message dated 4/18/2011 10:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
>> aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes:
>>
>> If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set
>> up?  I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add
>> to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface.
>> Thanks,~David
>>
>> Hi David, I am at present using the DMSO/baking soda application to two
>> possible remaining cancer spots..Check out--
>>  Based on the work of Dr Tullio Simoncini of Rome, Italy, maintaining an
>> alkaline pH of around 8.5 or so in the tumor and vicinity for 3 weeks will
>> kill many types of cancers.   Dr. Simoncini uses the lab procedures and
>> protocols for using intravenous sodium bicarbonate as approved by the FDA
>> for cardiac infarctions to treat most cancers.
>> http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
>> http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/the-simoncini-treatment-of-cancer/
>> To make liquid Sodium Bicarb* you get 250ml of sterile water and add 5mg ( a
>> level tea spoon ) of sodium Bicarb. pH should be between 8.5 and 9. You can
>> find pH strips at fish
>> supply stores and pharmacies, or order on line. Make sure it is for the
>> range of pH you are testing, some are very specific.
>>
>> Dr Simoncini used this to inject directly into the tumor, often under
>> radiographic guidance for deeper tumors.
>>
>> DMSO and Sodium Bicarbonate
>> To use DMSO to deliver the SB into the tumor by topical application:
>> Using a 5ml syringe and measure 4 ml of the Sodium Bicarb solution into a
>> small bottle and add 1ml of DMSO. Always add DMSO to water and never add
>> water to DMSO due to the release of heat.. For all cancers you can just rub
>> this on your chest and it will absorb through your skin and head straight to
>> the tumour.
>> For Lung Cancer you can also use a nebulizer and put a 20ml mix into the
>> nebulizer, use this for 6 days and then stop for 6 days. The recommendation
>> is to do this 4 times and then a scan.
>> *Sodium Bicarbonate is baking soda, do not confuse it with baking powder.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>


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Re: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend/ DMSO baking soda

[David AuBuchon]

Hi ZZekelink,

About the transdermal bicarb:

1.  Is distilled water okay?  Or should I get sterile water from a
doctor?  (actually you can get it from vet supplies online in some
states)

2.  What do you use for a bottle to mix the solution and the DMSO?

3.  Did you learn of this transdermal option from Dr. Simonici?  I did
not find any info on his site on this, and he did not mention it to me
in an email response he sent me either.

4.  Is it the DMSO that makes the bicarb go right to the tumor?  So
this is better than just taking bicarbonate orally right?

5.  If the tumor can be felt beneath the abdominal wall, should I rub
it right over the tumor, or rub it over the chest?

6.  What is to stop me from doing this transdermal bicarb with 20
times the recipe, all over his body, and like 10 times a day?  Is it
the more the merrier?

Thanks,
~David


On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 6:14 AM,   wrote:
> In a message dated 4/18/2011 10:20:31 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time,
> aubuchon.da...@gmail.com writes:
>
> If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set
> up?  I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add
> to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface.
> Thanks,~David
>
> Hi David, I am at present using the DMSO/baking soda application to two
> possible remaining cancer spots..Check out--
>  Based on the work of Dr Tullio Simoncini of Rome, Italy, maintaining an
> alkaline pH of around 8.5 or so in the tumor and vicinity for 3 weeks will
> kill many types of cancers.   Dr. Simoncini uses the lab procedures and
> protocols for using intravenous sodium bicarbonate as approved by the FDA
> for cardiac infarctions to treat most cancers.
> http://www.curenaturalicancro.com/
> http://www.winningcancer.com/txt/the-simoncini-treatment-of-cancer/
> To make liquid Sodium Bicarb* you get 250ml of sterile water and add 5mg ( a
> level tea spoon ) of sodium Bicarb. pH should be between 8.5 and 9. You can
> find pH strips at fish
> supply stores and pharmacies, or order on line. Make sure it is for the
> range of pH you are testing, some are very specific.
>
> Dr Simoncini used this to inject directly into the tumor, often under
> radiographic guidance for deeper tumors.
>
> DMSO and Sodium Bicarbonate
> To use DMSO to deliver the SB into the tumor by topical application:
> Using a 5ml syringe and measure 4 ml of the Sodium Bicarb solution into a
> small bottle and add 1ml of DMSO. Always add DMSO to water and never add
> water to DMSO due to the release of heat.. For all cancers you can just rub
> this on your chest and it will absorb through your skin and head straight to
> the tumour.
> For Lung Cancer you can also use a nebulizer and put a 20ml mix into the
> nebulizer, use this for 6 days and then stop for 6 days. The recommendation
> is to do this 4 times and then a scan.
> *Sodium Bicarbonate is baking soda, do not confuse it with baking powder.
>
>
>
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Re: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend

[David AuBuchon]

Don't know, but if you look up those 2 products I mentioned, they may
list expiration dates or something.

~David

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 1:33 PM, h.godavari  wrote:
> What is the shelf life of Melatonin? What happens to it after the expiry
> date?  Thanks for your help
> regards
> hg
>
>
> David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> Yes, there are in vivo studies that are not known by the mainstream
>> that show melatonin treats cancer.  Davinci liposomal spray and
>> oncotonin are two liposomal melatonin products.
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Harold MacDonald 
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I have recently read where Melatonin is very beneficial in addressing the
>>> tendency to Colon cancer,et al.
>>> I have used it for many years for other important uses in the body,and
>>> brain
>>> specifically,with no side effects so far other than vivid dreams.
>>>
>>> Harold
>>>
>>>
>>> - Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"
>>> 
>>> To: 
>>> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:20 PM
>>> Subject: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> My friends colon tumor has grown and can now be felt underneath the
>>>> skin.  Is silver ionotophoresis able to be used on tumors like that?
>>>> I don't really understand it.  Or is it something you need the cancer
>>>> to already be outside the skin?
>>>>
>>>> If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set
>>>> up?  I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add
>>>> to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface.
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> ~David
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -
>
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CS>Brooks - what doses of Lipo-C were used?

[David AuBuchon]

Question for Brooks or anyone that knows.

What doses of lipo-C were used in your research for treating cancer patients?

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend

[David AuBuchon]

Yes, there are in vivo studies that are not known by the mainstream
that show melatonin treats cancer.  Davinci liposomal spray and
oncotonin are two liposomal melatonin products.

~David

On Wed, Apr 20, 2011 at 8:06 AM, Harold MacDonald  wrote:
> I have recently read where Melatonin is very beneficial in addressing the
> tendency to Colon cancer,et al.
> I have used it for many years for other important uses in the body,and brain
> specifically,with no side effects so far other than vivid dreams.
>
> Harold
>
>
> - Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Monday, April 18, 2011 7:20 PM
> Subject: CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend
>
>
>> My friends colon tumor has grown and can now be felt underneath the
>> skin.  Is silver ionotophoresis able to be used on tumors like that?
>> I don't really understand it.  Or is it something you need the cancer
>> to already be outside the skin?
>>
>> If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set
>> up?  I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add
>> to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
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CS>silver ionotophoresis for cancer friend

[David AuBuchon]

My friends colon tumor has grown and can now be felt underneath the
skin.  Is silver ionotophoresis able to be used on tumors like that?
I don't really understand it.  Or is it something you need the cancer
to already be outside the skin?

If it is possible, can someone please tell me about how to get it set
up?  I am just looking into locally applied treatment options to add
to his treatment, since the tumor can now be felt near the surface.

Thanks,
~David


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RE: CS>Comment's please on this product...

[David Bearrow]

Hi Deborah,
 
As an electronics engineer in the telecom wireless field I can tell you that
if you are worried about the radio waves emitted by your cell phone causing
you harm then the simplest solution is the application if the inverse square
law. The intensity of the signal emitted by the antennae is inversely
proportional with the square of the distance. In other words use earphones
(blue tooth or wired) and keep the antennae on the cell phone at least a
foot away from your head and you will not have to worry about microwave
radiation. Devices like the one in the link you gave do absolutely nothing
but take your money.
 
Sincerely,
 
David Bearrow

  _  

From: Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 30, 2011 10:37 PM
To: cs
Subject: CS>Comment's please on this product...






Has anyone used or heard of this EMF protection product?
thanks much,
Debbie
 
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Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases

[David AuBuchon]

FYI, the word "jello" is code word for silver.  If you google phrases in
these references, you can find the original sources:

http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#has-the-use-of-eis-ever-been-professionally-documented

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 9:21 PM, bob Larson  wrote:

> this is the first i've read of " the direct generation of ions with
> implanted electrodes in an artery. "  anywhere to read more about it?
> i can see myself wearing a power pack like when i was using a beck blood
> electrifier.  add in bluetooth hanging on my ear and i am borg.  resistance
> was futile.
>
> about the strongest i've been able to get CS with re-brewing over and over
> again is about 65ppm when it settles down.
> tired, too lazy to do the math right now, but what volume of 65ppm would it
> take to raise the plasma level... what is it on average, something like 8
> liters in the body?  if so, guesstimating, wouldn't it take something like
> 1.5 or more liters ?   seems like it would be dangerous to thin out the
> blood with so much water quickly, even a drip over a couple days?  and the
> longer it takes to deliver in, the more it takes cuz the CS is processed
> out
> so quickly?l
> with the TT it's easy to shoot a high concentration in one syringe...
> probably only 10cc or something?
>
> i can't take risks with myself while i'm responsible for taking care of my
> ma, but after she dies i can.  but i believe she's getting better now and
> might last another decade... jeez, that'd kill me in the process, but
> that's
> the deal i guess.
>
> 
>
>From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:06 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Subject: Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases
>
>
>If you made high density EIS with a little peroxide maybe you could
> get 10ppm in the blood by IV.
>
>Though I have many documentated AIDS recovieries from EIS use on my
> site.  Including protocols involving oral use.  Most significantly are
> protocols involving the direct generation of ions with implanted electrodes
> in an artery.
>
>~David
>
>
>On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM, bob Larson 
> wrote:
>
>
>to answer my own question, i guess you couldn't really use
> EIS to get plasma level to 10ppm.  impossible.  duh.
>
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Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases

[David AuBuchon]

If you made high density EIS with a little peroxide maybe you could get
10ppm in the blood by IV.

Though I have many documentated AIDS recovieries from EIS use on my site.
 Including protocols involving oral use.  Most significantly are protocols
involving the direct generation of ions with implanted electrodes in an
artery.

~David

On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 2:14 PM, bob Larson  wrote:

>  to answer my own question, i guess you couldn't really use EIS to get
> plasma level to 10ppm.  impossible.  duh.
>
>  --
> *From:* bob Larson [mailto:bobli...@att.net]
> *Sent:* Sunday, March 20, 2011 6:43 AM
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* RE: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases
>
>  great article on the TT.  i wonder if EIS used the same way would give
> similar results?  that is, to raise the whole blood plasma volume to 10ppm
> or more silver in a short period by IV
>
> Boyd Graves was cured of HIV with one injection of TT sufficient to raise
> his plasma to a similar level, and it blew his liver up like a balloon but
> didn't damage it or impair function and eventually normalized.  he's an
> interesting character.  seems to have researched and put together the
> history of the development of the HIV by our biowarfare people... but either
> his case is weak (maybe but not likely as he's a very smart guy) or people
> just fail to respond much for other reasons (not to their credit?)
>
>
>

Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases

[David AuBuchon]

If it is something inexpensive, aquirable, and absorbable, then I would
probably try some.

~David

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:29 PM, bob Larson  wrote:

>  there's a few folks around here like you're looking for...  but please
> share your interesting results with the list?  i know i'd like to read them.
>
>  --
> *From:* Carlos Pérez [mailto:explorer...@hotmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 19, 2011 3:05 PM
>
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases
>
> Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other
> Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a
> serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for
> several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues.
>
> Regards.
>
> Carlos
>
>

Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Bob,

That silver compound you mentioned cured 30 out of 30 breast cancers in one
study:
http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0ISW/is_274/ai_n16359688/pg_2/

Did it do anything for you that EIS didn't?  Have any info/suggestions for
buying/taking it?

~David

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 8:29 PM, bob Larson  wrote:

>  if your CS is quite clear, under 15ppm, should be no problem with argyria.
> i'm on my 5th year of CS for hepC and it's doing a good job managing but
> never quite getting rid of it.  in 2006 CS saved my life from the hepC.
> during the first year i started using it i drank at least 6 oz/day and
> often
> more.  i drank a whole liter/day for several months.  much of that CS also
> had Ag4O4 tetrasilver tetroxide added to it.  i'm not gray, and the moons
> of
> my fingernails are white.  the moons are supposed to turn blue when you
> come
> close to skin doing so, so then it's time to back off or stop).
>
>
>
>
> 
>
>From: dingyun...@att.net [mailto:dingyun...@att.net]
>Sent: Saturday, March 19, 2011 4:32 PM
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>Subject: Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases
>
>
> nothing turn you to gray at that much amount?  took months getting
> to that level?  how do you know it was working like no more lyme symptoms
> or
> retesting from lab.  Sorry, so many questions.  I have not gotten over my
> anxiety/emotion yet. I felt depressed having this tick-borne disease.
> Helen
>
>
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Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases

[David AuBuchon]

most people have "herx reactions" when they do something to kill bugs.  This
makes you temporarily feel worse, and then feel better.  And it is
proportional to how much bugs you kill at once.  So that is why you need to
increase doses slowly as you can tolerate.  This will ensure you avoid
experiences like you had with doxycycline.

So to answer your question, EIS gave me herx reactions followed by net
improvement.  I improved, improved, improved, until EIS gave me neither herx
reactions or improvement for some time.

I am not familiar with the generator you have, but I would suggest making
around 10PPM EIS.  I would not worry about turning blue long term if the
resulting EIS is clear.  Yes, it would take time anyway.  If you want to
think extensively about safety precautions, read the following section on
safety if EIS which I wrote:

http://scientificliving.net/2011/02/the-ultimate-guide-to-colloidal-silver-colloidal-silver-generators-and-jello-2/#the-safety-of-eis-and-jello

Remember that the bugs cause all sorts of anxiety, depression, and fear
symptoms themselves.  So when you feel freaked out, always remind yourself
that it is the bugs and not you, and those feelings will go away when the
bugs are gone.

Always do things gradually, and never do things hastily out of a rush to get
well.

There is a group of people using homemade EIS for lyme and infections here.
I also am on this group:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/DougPlus/messages

~David

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:32 PM,  wrote:

> nothing turn you to gray at that much amount?  took months getting to that
> level?  how do you know it was working like no more lyme symptoms or
> retesting from lab.  Sorry, so many questions.  I have not gotten over my
> anxiety/emotion yet. I felt depressed having this tick-borne disease.
>  Helen
>
>
> --- On *Sat, 3/19/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> Subject: Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 5:23 PM
>
>
> I'd start with 1 tsp a day (or less if you feel really sick), then increase
> until you reach a point where you feel just barely noticeable herx
> reaction.  Then stay at that dose until you no longer get reaction.  Then
> increase again in the same way.  So like 1 tsp, 2 tsp, 1 tbsp, 2 tbsp, 3
> tbsp (1 fl oz.), 2 fl. oz.  all the way to at least 8 fl .oz.  maybe
> more.
>
> ~David
>
> On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM, 
> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=dingyun...@att.net>
> > wrote:
>
>   I just got my lyme report and was positive and immediatly was on
> Doxycycline and felt so sick after taking it.  My doctor suggested me taking
> longer period of time.  I am in cross road.  I belive my lyme is chronic.
> been feeling pain/sick for more than 20 years.  Do you think EIS will work
> on chronic one?  I have utopia silver maker.  Do you think this home made
> EIS strong enough to kill?  How much shall one to drink?  Thanks.  Helen
>
> --- On *Sat, 3/19/11, David AuBuchon 
> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aubuchon.da...@gmail.com>
> >* wrote:
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=aubuchon.da...@gmail.com>
> >
> Subject: Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases
> To: 
> silver-list@eskimo.com<http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=silver-list@eskimo.com>
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 4:36 PM
>
>
> I have tick infections.  It was the one thing that has helped me the most.
> I've peaked, and am still really sick, but I think it may have saved my
> life, since nothing else was working.
>
> It typically takes many things over a long time to totally beat "lyme", but
> I am confident in saying that EIS is the overall best first thing to try for
> most.
>
> ~David
>
> 2011/3/19 Carlos Pérez 
> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=explorer...@hotmail.com>
> >
>
> Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other
> Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a
> serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for
> several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues.
>
> Regards.
>
> Carlos
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases

[David AuBuchon]

I'd start with 1 tsp a day (or less if you feel really sick), then increase
until you reach a point where you feel just barely noticeable herx
reaction.  Then stay at that dose until you no longer get reaction.  Then
increase again in the same way.  So like 1 tsp, 2 tsp, 1 tbsp, 2 tbsp, 3
tbsp (1 fl oz.), 2 fl. oz.  all the way to at least 8 fl .oz.  maybe
more.

~David

On Sat, Mar 19, 2011 at 5:19 PM,  wrote:

> I just got my lyme report and was positive and immediatly was on
> Doxycycline and felt so sick after taking it.  My doctor suggested me taking
> longer period of time.  I am in cross road.  I belive my lyme is chronic.
> been feeling pain/sick for more than 20 years.  Do you think EIS will work
> on chronic one?  I have utopia silver maker.  Do you think this home made
> EIS strong enough to kill?  How much shall one to drink?  Thanks.  Helen
>
> --- On *Sat, 3/19/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> Subject: Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Saturday, March 19, 2011, 4:36 PM
>
>
> I have tick infections.  It was the one thing that has helped me the most.
> I've peaked, and am still really sick, but I think it may have saved my
> life, since nothing else was working.
>
> It typically takes many things over a long time to totally beat "lyme", but
> I am confident in saying that EIS is the overall best first thing to try for
> most.
>
> ~David
>
> 2011/3/19 Carlos Pérez 
> http://us.mc823.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=explorer...@hotmail.com>
> >
>
> Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other
> Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a
> serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for
> several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues.
>
> Regards.
>
> Carlos
>
>
>

Re: CS>EIS and Tick-borne diseases

[David AuBuchon]

I have tick infections.  It was the one thing that has helped me the most.
I've peaked, and am still really sick, but I think it may have saved my
life, since nothing else was working.

It typically takes many things over a long time to totally beat "lyme", but
I am confident in saying that EIS is the overall best first thing to try for
most.

~David

2011/3/19 Carlos Pérez 

>  Does anyone have experience in treating Lyme, Ehrlichiosis and/or other
> Tick-borne diseases with EIS? I have had very interesting results in a
> serious case of Ehrlichiosis and Rickettsiosis that I had chronic for
> several years. I would like to share experiences with other colleagues.
>
> Regards.
>
> Carlos
>

Re: CS>Potassium , Iodide , Lugol's Iodine for your information

[David AuBuchon]

I suppose this is in connection to nuclear issues.  I also read recently
about something called Russian Choice for radiation protection.

~David

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:

> I have had a number of calls Re: Lugol's Iodine,
>  Yes it is 5% Potassium-&-Iodide =  Iodine  The name Lugol's is the
> inventors name of this solution.
>
> I still have it in stock although their has been a sudden increase in
> demand. I called my source and it is still available for me but of course
> their could be a run on it , if Calif. has an earthquake?
>
> *http://www.quailwoodherbal.com*
>
> Tel Tofflemire
> Dewey, AZ.
>
>
> --
> *
> *
>
>

Re: CS>Probiotics

[David AuBuchon]

I calculated Dr. Mercolas as being one of the best price per billion
organisms on the market.  I started his brand recently, and it has improved
by bowels after switching from Ayush brand which I was on.  I take lots of
antibiotics.

~David

On Tue, Mar 15, 2011 at 11:38 AM, Del  wrote:

>  For most of her life, my wife has been battling IBS.
> I always believed that a probiotic should solve the problem.
> We tried many (including the HSO).  Nothing worked.
> Then we tried VSL#3.
> IBS gone within about two months on one packet per day.
> Now she gets it by prescription so that our drug coverage will defray the
> considerable cost.
> We think eventually she will be able to stop taking it and still remain
> stable.
> If you order it, make sure to order from the company itself so that it will
> be shipped with ice packs.
> VSL#3 should always be refrigerated.
>
> Del
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Jason R Eaton 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, March 15, 2011 11:04 AM
> *Subject:* CS>Probiotics
>
> Hi Steve:
>
> I'm always playing around with various probies.  Sometimes, one must
> consider how powerful of a porbiotic formula one actsually needs.  I'm NOT
> an expert on the topic, but I do emmensely enjoy the research.
>
> Dr. Mercola's probiotics, which contain ten strains, are desigend to
> survive the digestive tract.  These are just your run-of-the-mill
> probiotics, and a touch pricey, but at least one knows the job will get
> done.
>
> The first of the "big guns" I play with are HSO's, homeostatic soil
> organisms, offered by Garden Life under the brand name Primal Defense.
> These are very controversial little creatures have no problems surviving
> through the digestive system.  These types of organisms have come under fire
> primarily due to modern science's inability to predict the long term effects
> of HSO's.  However, before disregarding them as potentially profound healing
> agents, the small scale studies done should be carefully considered.
>
> http://www.crohns-disease-probiotics.com/HSOs.html
>
> http://miracleii-4u.com/hsos-clinical-studies.htm
>
>
> But my personal favorite probies I make myself, from Effective
> Microorgansims.  THe EM master culture, from Japan, is quite affordable, and
> is a blend of microorganisms designed as a support system to keep one type
> of very special microorganism alive: Two strains of photosynthetic
> bacteria,  Rhodopseudomonas palustris and Rhodobacter sphaeroides
>
>
> http://www.teraganix.com/Effective-Microorganisms-History-and-Availability-s/194.htm
>
> These amazing little creatures (if you can call them that) don't often
> appear at the Earth's surface anymore... Not since the Earth's atomosphere
> began containing oxygen.
>
> Every last researcher that I've corresponded with has been nothing short of
> amazed at the various applications of EM and A-EM.  Ongoing research
> continues:
>
> http://emrojapan.com/
>
> ...however, very little has been published in English about the health and
> healing potential of using EM-based supplements as probiotics.  That said,
> in the worst case scenarios with people I correspond with, when their
> chronic digestive conditions (and we're talking hospitalization level
> conditions) respond to nothing else, a combination of EM therapy and clay
> therapy has, at the very least, stabilized even the most serious cases of
> IBS, Crohns, and other non- or mis-diagnosed conditions of the lower
> intestines.
>
> Whatever probiotic one chooses, it takes about four weeks to see how they
> will compete with whatever else is in the colon.  When the state of the
> colon is returned to normal, an individual will always effortlessly go to
> the bathroom once for every major meal eaten the day prior.
>
> So it really depends on what you are trying to accomplish with your
> supplementation.  I also make kombucha on occassion, and use Kefir, but I
> don't see either as being powerful enough to act to restore serious
> digestive disorders.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jason
>
>
>

Re: Turneric / Re: CS>Chronic Myleoprolific Blood Disease

[David AuBuchon]

Curcumin can be liposomally encapsulated.

On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Brooks Bradley wrote:

>  Dear Jane,
>   We have no data or experience relative to the effects of
> Cooking...on turmeric.
> I apologize, but am unable to assist you in this matter.
> Sincerely,  Brooks.
>
> On Sat, Mar 12, 2011 at 5:21 AM, Jane MacRoss
>  wrote:
> > Brooks if one was going to take turmeric from the grocer rather as
> capsules
> > I have read that it is more potent if cooked first would you have any
> > comment on that?
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Jane
> >
> > - Original Message - From: "Brooks Bradley" <
> bradlebro...@gmail.com>
> > To: 
> > Sent: Saturday, March 12, 2011 9:36 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>Chronic Myleoprolific Blood Disease
> >
> >
> > Dear Ruth,
> > While we have hads no direwcxt experience in addresses possible
> > protocols for any of the
> > family of myleoprolific blood disorders, we HAVE received information
> > stating that Turmeric has exhibited
> > positive effectssome quite dramatic--when taken at quite
> > pronounced dosages (e.g.  2400 mg , 3 times daily).
> > One independent researcher  (Christian Wilde by name) has been very
> > active in researching the benefits of Turmeric for
> > a variety of cardiovascular insults.and has related some VERY
> > promising results.   Turmeric when utilized in concert with
> > adult stem cell therapy...has displayed some amazing results
> > (according to Christian).  Mr. Wilde is an independent health-research
> > investigator, recognized as a reliable researcher, by much of the
> > alternative/experimental medical community, both in thew USA--and
> > in Europe.
> >  I wish  you well in your endeavors to
> > assist your family member,
> > Brooks
> > p.s.  I experienced quite measurable benefits from moderate dosages of
> > Turmeric powder (as an ancillary support)...after a 30 day course
> > of 600 mg daily, capsulesingested for a mild.but chronic,
> > cardiovascular challenge.
> >
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Re: CS>Good and bad bacteria,,,woman with illness

[David AuBuchon]

I think the "salt/c protocol" for lyme and coinfections may address
morgellon's, if I remember properly.  Their forum is here:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/messages

~David

Re: CS>Protocol for Making Liposomal GSH

[David AuBuchon]

I bought my glutathione from nutritionland BUT, they appear to be somewhat
scammy, so I would not suggest you buy from them.  They have the absolute
cheapest price per gram on the healthy origins brand gluathione, but they
have lots of complaints against their company.  Possible getting scam
charges from them on your credit card.

~David

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:31 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> The following PDF lists the solubility of GSH at 20mg per ml.  I made
> lipo-GSH for the first time yesterday.
>
> http://www.caymanchem.com/msdss/10007461m.pdf
>
> I used the same BB recipe for liposomal C, except instead of dissolving
> vitamin C in the 4 oz of water, I decided to mix as much GSH in that 4 oz of
> water as would be soluble in 12 oz of water (the total water used in the
> recipe).  I think I calculated that would be about 7 grams.  Unfortunately
> glutathione is not dirt cheap like vitamin C.  Anyway, I found that most of
> the 7 grams actually appeared to dissolve in just the 4 oz of water, which
> makes me think it is really much more soluble than  20mg/ml.  Anyway, that
> was my recipe.
>
> ~David
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Silver Smith  wrote:
>
>> I have been successfully making Liposomal Vit C and I am ready to make
>> some Liposomal GSH.  I was wondering if anybody had devised a successful
>> protocol for Lipo GSH? If so, would you post it?   I tried to search past
>> posts but did not find one.  Sorry if I missed it.
>>
>> Best Source for GSH?
>>
>> Thanks!!
>>
>> SS
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Protocol for Making Liposomal GSH

[David AuBuchon]

The following PDF lists the solubility of GSH at 20mg per ml.  I made
lipo-GSH for the first time yesterday.

http://www.caymanchem.com/msdss/10007461m.pdf

I used the same BB recipe for liposomal C, except instead of dissolving
vitamin C in the 4 oz of water, I decided to mix as much GSH in that 4 oz of
water as would be soluble in 12 oz of water (the total water used in the
recipe).  I think I calculated that would be about 7 grams.  Unfortunately
glutathione is not dirt cheap like vitamin C.  Anyway, I found that most of
the 7 grams actually appeared to dissolve in just the 4 oz of water, which
makes me think it is really much more soluble than  20mg/ml.  Anyway, that
was my recipe.

~David

On Wed, Mar 2, 2011 at 12:19 PM, Silver Smith  wrote:

> I have been successfully making Liposomal Vit C and I am ready to make some
> Liposomal GSH.  I was wondering if anybody had devised a successful protocol
> for Lipo GSH? If so, would you post it?   I tried to search past posts but
> did not find one.  Sorry if I missed it.
>
> Best Source for GSH?
>
> Thanks!!
>
> SS
>
>
>

CS>nebulized allicin

[David AuBuchon]

FYI, some ND is doing this:

http://campaignfortruth.com/Eclub/181207/CTM-%20allicin2.htm

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

CS>Colloids give structure to water presentation

[David AuBuchon]

A Dr. Roy says colloidal silver structures water.  Starts around slide 30.

http://www.slideshare.net/NaturesPhysician/water-water-everywhere-live-h2-o-eventjuly-rerecorded

Also, there is a company called Stirwand that sells a stick that you
stir your water glasses with and they have studies on their site that
claim they prove it improves the ability of water to hydrate cells:

http://www.stirwandsdirect.com/html/clinicaltrial.html

What is interesting to me is that the product itself seems like a
hoax, and that it is actually the act of stirring that is providing
these results.  Any thoughts?

I also heard that cooling water, as well as sitting water in the sun
as well as exposing water to frequencies (like the "love" frequency
528 hertz).

If I did all that to water before making CS with it, will it actually
do anything to the properties of the CS?

~David
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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

The product is basically ASAP colloidal silver.  It is plain old EIS
and they make it at various PPM's.  They also have it sold under like
5 different labels I have run into so far.  But it is EIS.

I was assuming that EIS would have an easier time killing the
probiotics in a petri, rather than in the body.  Just like EIS kills
everything in vitro, but you don't expect it to kill everything in
vivo.  So if it doesn't kill it in vitro, then there is even less
chance of it killing it in vivo.

~David

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 8:35 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:
> Not being a biological chemist or whatever I wonder how could that be so?
> Due to biological complexities within the body I would have thought tests in
> vivo would be more accurate/applicable to those of a test tube or petri
> dish?  There would be many, many actions, reactions, and
> interactions occurring within the body to/with any substance ingested.
>
> I assume you're referring to our intestinal flora when probiotics are spoken
> of?  In which case there would need to be some literature available
> indicating 'how much', and in 'what form', or 'what type' that silver
> solution is/was in when ingested indicating the destruction of our
> beneficial flora?
>
> Can't speak for the product referred to in that article, but I seriously
> doubt what we make in the home will have much effect on our beneficial
> flora.  Unless praps one were to ingest 10 litres a day for an extended
> number of days?  But even then, I haven't found any articles relating to
> 'how much' of home made ionic/colloidal silver would need to be ingested
> before killing our flora?  Plenty of assumptions, anecdotes, and
> 'recommendations' from mainstream authorities for the amount of 'colloidal
> silver?' being ingested, but nothing referring to the product we make in the
> home I don't think?
>
> What's publicised and sold over the counter as 'colloidal silver?' compared
> to what we make in the kitchen using LVDC and DW are like chalk and cheese
> to me.
>
> The term 'Colloidal Silver' is a very, very large broom, and sweeps up
> *anything* containing the slightest sniff of silver.  Even our TGA couldn't
> supply me infomation relating to the stuff we produce, by the methods we
> produce it...because they simply haven't got any!  They waffle on about some
> shiela who turned blue or whatever - but do you think I can find a picture
> of that woman on their website...NO I couldn't!  And we all know *who* that
> woman was they reference, and *why* they don't supply a photo, or any other
> information about her.
>
> It's all mostly deception and misleading information to suit a particular
> agenda to me David, all put out there for those of us who are involved with
> this stuff to choose to believe 'this' or 'that'... without them actually
> providing any credible information.  I apply that same philosophy to
> marketers/promotors as well.
>
> Oops, think I might have digressed here a tad.
>
> N.
>
>
> ____
> Date: Thu, 17 Feb 2011 18:23:07 -0800
> Subject: Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study
> From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is
> actually more impressive than getting it in vivo.
>
> ~David
>
>


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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

Here is a link to the first of the two studies they list on EIS on
probiotics:
http://www.hempusa.org/ABL/Safety_Studies/Selective%20Antimicrobial%20Activity%20of%20ASAP-AGX-32%20Silver%20Solution%20against%20Probiotics%20%28Dr.%20Ron%20Leavitt%29.pdf

They say in this study that the methods used in the other study weren't all
that great, so they endeavored to do a better study.  This really does seem
to show that probiotics are more resistant to EIS than pathogens- especially
bifidobacteria, which aren't killed by 16PPM EIS!  As far as I can tell,
this looks legit, unless we think the authors are just plain dishonest.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/


On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:23 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is
> actually more impressive than getting it in vivo.
>
> ~David
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM, David AuBuchon 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Neville,
>>
>> I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and
>> crannies.  Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs.  What I was
>> referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in
>> vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic.  If true, that
>> would be a first to me.  I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon.
>>
>> Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that
>> these guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents.  I
>> will post a collection of those in the future.  These results are all
>> indicative of the results that homemade EIS would provide.
>>
>> ~David
>> http://scientificliving.net/
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras  wrote:
>>
>>> Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living
>>> organism?
>>>
>>>
>>> --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> From: David AuBuchon 
>>> Subject: CS>some info on BYU kill study
>>>
>>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM
>>>
>>>
>>> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>>>
>>> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>>>
>>> ~David
>>> http://scientificliving.net/
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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

Also note that getting in vitro results that dont kill probiotics is
actually more impressive than getting it in vivo.

~David

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:08 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Hi Neville,
>
> I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and
> crannies.  Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs.  What I was
> referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in
> vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic.  If true, that
> would be a first to me.  I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon.
>
> Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that
> these guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents.  I
> will post a collection of those in the future.  These results are all
> indicative of the results that homemade EIS would provide.
>
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras  wrote:
>
>> Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living
>> organism?
>>
>>
>> --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: David AuBuchon 
>> Subject: CS>some info on BYU kill study
>>
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM
>>
>>
>> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>>
>> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>>
>> ~David
>> http://scientificliving.net/
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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Neville,

I know these people have hype all over the web in hidden nooks and
crannies.  Their product(s) are all 10nm EIS of different PPMs.  What I was
referring to, was a specific reference in the study that claimed they did in
vitro experiments that did not kill a specific probiotic.  If true, that
would be a first to me.  I haven't gotten to it yet, but will soon.

Though I have to say, I have gathered a number of IN VIVO results that these
guys have published in strange journals or just claimed in patents.  I will
post a collection of those in the future.  These results are all indicative
of the results that homemade EIS would provide.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Thu, Feb 17, 2011 at 6:03 PM, j petras  wrote:

> Do you know if this study was done in vitro or conducted in a living
> organism?
>
>
> --- On *Thu, 2/17/11, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> Subject: CS>some info on BYU kill study
>
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Thursday, February 17, 2011, 7:43 PM
>
>
> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>
> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
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Re: CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

And some ASAP studies citing 16PPM EIS does NOT destroy probiotics.
Going to have to give this one a thorough read and see if it is legit:
http://www.nursedetective.com/market/safetysummary.pdf

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

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 wrote:
> A list of 54 organisms that were tested:
>
> http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf
>
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CS>some info on BYU kill study

[David AuBuchon]

A list of 54 organisms that were tested:

http://lifesilver.com/brigham.pdf

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Re: CS>LEDs

[David AuBuchon]

I think brooks posted something about LEDs for treating infection somewhere.

~David

On Wed, Feb 16, 2011 at 10:32 AM, Christina Mattson
wrote:

> PT, i just found a printout from PHILIPS, who makes LED bulbs for home
> lighting, i am busy right now but i will send it to you later tonight along
> with some other stuff i had in a file.
> Tina
>
> --- On *Wed, 2/16/11, Deborah Gerard * wrote:
>
>
> From: Deborah Gerard 
>
> Subject: Re: CS>LEDs
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 8:38 AM
>
>
>  If "V" is still a member of this group he sells LEDS he certainly could
> tell you more about the subject,
> Debbie
>
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> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wed, February 16, 2011 12:29:29 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LEDs
>
>   PT, I have the same thoughts as Tony as far as scare mongering.  None of
> these address the therapeutic use of  them, regular light strands have lead
> in them too, so you wash your hands after handling them or wear gloves.  Now
> as far as the blue and white color intensity harming children's eye's I
> don't think it would be a good idea to use them around your house if your
> child likes to stare at them. In my experience being around children with
> sensory issues sometimes they like to stare at the red but it makes no
> mention of the red harming the cornea of children's eyes, besides no decent
> parent is going to allow that. Once i was researching night blindness and
> read an article where people were disputing the blue LED's used on car
> headlights and appliances because it was bothersome but only some people had
> a problem with that. I have light sensitivity issues but have never really
> been bothered by it.
> Now as far as the larger holiday light strands, the bulbs are usually
> covered with a plastic bezel that looks like it's part of the bulb but the
> bulb is underneath.
> There are lots of holes in those articles. If i find any discrepancy about
> the safety of increasing cellular energy with them than i will be sure to
> share it with you.
> Take Care
> Tina
> --- On *Wed, 2/16/11, PT Ferrance * wrote:
>
>
> From: PT Ferrance 
> Subject: Re: CS>LEDs
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, February 16, 2011, 5:42 AM
>
>  Hi Tony,
> Was it the US article on the CA study you read or the ANSES article?  If
> you cannot find the ANSES article I can send it to you.  It is much longer
> and I would be interested in your comments.
> Thanks.
> PT
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> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wed, February 16, 2011 6:09:39 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LEDs
>
> Hi PT.
>
> That article, only one I could find , seems to be scaremongering. They do
> not mention
> quantities per 'bulb'. And they do not give the science behind it. And the
> how do you break an
> led? and then how is the metal contamination released to the atmosphere if
> it is incorporated
> into the electronics of the led? Versus CFLs where the contaminants are a
> gas or a powder
> which are released if the glass cracks.
>
> It seems to be an Anti_led emotional scare marketing ploy.
>
> OK ,
> Tony
>
>
> On 15 Feb 2011 at 12:42, PT Ferrance wrote about :
> Subject : CS>LEDs
>
> > Today I read 2 articles on the danger of toxic materials being released
> > from LED lights.  A colleague told me of another article as well.
> >
> >
> > Does anyone have any information on the downside of LED lighting either
> > therapeutically or conventionally? Thanks. PT
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Re: CS>CS study in vivo

[David AuBuchon]

Answered my own question:  The product was Coll Ag 40 which is a MSP
and hyped in a book by a Dr. Farber, that seems kinda shady.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 2:38 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> FYI, the website author with that quote let me know that it is a piece
> of info she has had for many years, and unfortunately no longer has
> the reference.
>
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
>> I found this online, but cannot find any clue to the real source of
>> this claim of an in vivo study on CS.  Any clues:
>>
>> "More Research on Colloidal Silver - A one year long study completed
>> at Harvard and Cambridge Universities shows that CS is effective as an
>> anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial and natural antibiotic.  This
>> study showed CS to be effective in humans with sinus infections,
>> respiratory infection, bronchitis, strep throat, retro-viral
>> infections, thrush (yeast), ear infections, fungal infections, urinary
>> tract infections, and conjunctivitis.  No failures were reported in
>> this study.  CS performed better than the five major classes of
>> antibiotics in killing bacteria.  Testing is on-going."
>>
>> ~David
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Re: CS>CS study in vivo

[David AuBuchon]

FYI, the website author with that quote let me know that it is a piece
of info she has had for many years, and unfortunately no longer has
the reference.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 1:53 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> I found this online, but cannot find any clue to the real source of
> this claim of an in vivo study on CS.  Any clues:
>
> "More Research on Colloidal Silver - A one year long study completed
> at Harvard and Cambridge Universities shows that CS is effective as an
> anti-viral, anti-fungal, anti-bacterial and natural antibiotic.  This
> study showed CS to be effective in humans with sinus infections,
> respiratory infection, bronchitis, strep throat, retro-viral
> infections, thrush (yeast), ear infections, fungal infections, urinary
> tract infections, and conjunctivitis.  No failures were reported in
> this study.  CS performed better than the five major classes of
> antibiotics in killing bacteria.  Testing is on-going."
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