Re: CS>Anyone what what is actually in Live-Silver ?

[David AuBuchon]

Just bumping this thread, as I am really interested for input.  Also, I
notice that there is a Nancy Robey who wrote some stuff of colloidal silver
and AIDS, and the live-silver website has a guy names Marvin Robey.  I
wonder what the relation is.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:29 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> Sorry, the link to the distribution is here:
> http://www.live-silver.com/particlesize.htm
>
> ~David
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, David AuBuchon
>  wrote:
> > Anyone know about this brand of CS?
> >
> > http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm
> >
> > It has a strong tyndall, but also has a particle size distribution
> > chart that claims less than 5nm:
> >
> > http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm
> >
> > Based on what they write about "splitting particles", I am guessing
> > this is hydrogen peroxide added to CS?  Any thoughts?  I am surprised
> > that adding peroxide could make a tyndall that strong, especially in
> > daylight.  I am wondering if maybe this is also a high ppm product?
> > Them claim only 20ppm.  Also, they plainly claim it is used by doctors
> > intravenously on their homepage!  Pretty bold!
> >
> > And this is the first time I had heard of that lab who did their
> measurement:
> >
> > http://www.microtrac.com/Services/LabServices/LabPricing.aspx
> >
> > They say $50 for a particle size distribution.  Not a bad price.
> > Anyone know how this equipment compares to CSLs (Frank's)
> > measurements?  They both say "light scattering".
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ~David
> > http://scientificliving.net/
> >
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Re: CS>Adding H2O2 doesnt seem to be working for me?

[David AuBuchon]

Some say 1 drop of 35% peroxide per 8 oz.  So that would be closer to 40 or
50 drops of 3% peroxide- way more than what you used.  You can keep adding
peroxide little by little until it turns clear.

I would try not to clean the electrode during the brewing if possible.

Also, I just bought some new mason jars and they have a smell.  I washed
thoroughly with DW and vinegar, then cleaned out the vinegar with just DW.
Even so, there is a faint odor.  I think new jars spoiling the first couple
batches is a real possibility.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 9:37 AM, jaxi  wrote:

> You need to wait a little longer.  48 hrs I think.  And I think Ode said 6
> drops for a quart - that is what I use.  I brew (set it up before I leave
> for work and it is usually done by the time I get home) - decant - let sit
> for at least 48 hrs - add 6 drops 3% food grade h2o2 and leave it overnight
> usually - it is always completely clear by morning.  I think it clears
> faster than that but I usually get the next jar ready when almost finished
> with the last jar so I am not in a rush for it.
>
> But please understand a pale yellow is not a problem.  It is an astheitics
> thing mostly.  And some I use immediately after brewing - no h2o2 added.
> The very pale yellow does not mean it is in any way bad for you.  In fact
> that used to be the goal color if I recall my reading of archives and such
> correctly.
>
> Jaxi
>
> On Mon, Feb 14, 2011 at 10:36 AM, Kenny laguna wrote:
>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> For some reason, after the first couple batches of CS from my Silver
>> Puppy, and can only seem to make "pale yellow" CS now. Ive tried 3 different
>> brands of distilled water (all test either 000 or 001) on my TDS-1 meter.
>> Ive been using "auto shutoff" with direct current, and cleaning the
>> electrodes 1 time (when heavy buildup) during the process. My canning jars i
>> use are brand new, a rinsed very well with distilled water. I never touch
>> the electrodes with anything but a clean paper towel.
>>
>> Here is my question- since i really don't want the "pale yellow" color,
>> I've tried adding 3% hydrogen peroxide (2 drops) to 32oz of CS after it has
>> set for at least 24 hours. Instead of it clearing up, the CS actually gets a
>> much darker yellow! Does anybody know why this is happening?
>>
>> Thank you for your help!
>>
>
>

Re: CS>CS Doubt.

[David AuBuchon]

I took 40,000units a day of EMULSIFIED vitamin D3 from biotics for a length
of 2 weeks.  I did it at the recommendation of a lyme nutritionist.  I told
her I thought it was bad for me, but she convinced me anyway.  In that time,
me 25hydyoxy vit D levels went from 20 to 102.  The reference range is like
30 to 75.  I believe emulsified works much better than regular because of
this experience.  So with people with infectious disease, some of them DO
NOT do well supplementing vitamin D.  Some of them do do well though.  The
explanation of why is called the Marshall Protocol, which sort of partially
succeeds in explaining it.  This 25hydroxy vit D is NOT what your body
uses.  Your body then converts it into 1,25 dihydroxy vit D, which is a
steroid hormone.  This is the vitamin D you must also measure, but no one
ever does.  In high levels, this vitamin D SUPPRESSES the immune system.

Some bacteria have learned to accelerate this conversion of vitamin D in
order to suppress the immune system.  So many people with infectious disease
have low levels of 25 hydroxy D but high levels of 1,25dihydroxy vitamin D.
My levels for example of each respectvely were 20 (low) and about 60
(borderline high).  This indicates that bacteria could have been converting
one to the other.  After supplementing, it was GOING IN THE SUN that would
make me very sick for a few days.  This is was people like me sometimes
experience and learn to keep away from vitamin D after that.  Before taking
vitamin D the sun would not bother me nearly as much.  That is the second
indication I had.

The third indication I had that vit D was bad for me is that I would get
some herx reactions from a drug named Benicar.  It is a blood pressure drug
with an off label use in the Marshall Protocol.  It block the conversion of
the 1st vit D into the 2nd vit D.  Taking it then lowers the levels of the
second vit D, which UNSUPPRESSES the immune system, which causes it to kill
bugs and give herx.

The moral of the story:  vit D is very good for most, but can be very bad
for some.  Im getting into health consulting, and I am not planning on ever
recommending vit D to anyone without first probing them for infections with
CS or something else, or at least checking BOTH their D levels.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/



On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 9:57 AM, jaxi  wrote:

> My understanding about chocolate in dogs is that some are impacted more
> than others AND there is a cummulative effect issue at hand.  I think it was
> something along the lines that dogs cannot process and eliminate the
> chocolate and so small exposure will likely not harm but repeated and often
> could.  But I know of dogs who have consumed entire bags of chocolate (say
> Hershey's Kisses or some such) and been fine in the long run.
>
> Vit D in large amounts is supposedly toxic for dogs too.
>
> Too much of anything tends to be bad for you.  Human, dog, cat, mouse ...
>
> Jaxi
>
> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Dave Darrin wrote:
>
>> Over the years ( I'm 75) I have given my dogs chocolate when ever I ate
>> some and they all lived an extraordinarily long life. It makes me wonder if
>> that has a basis in fact or if it was an old fable that has been mindlessly
>> repeated, like the 650 about CS's effectiveness?
>> Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:24 AM, Guyot Léna  wrote:
>>
>>> Chocolate is dog poison, but in small amounts it makes most humans very
>>> happy.
>>>
>>>  On Feb 11, 2011, at 10:21 AM, Alan Jones wrote:
>>>
>>> This is bollocks, everything is a poison at high enough quantities, even
>>> too much water can kill you.  Vit D3 is safe at under 5000IU per day.
>>>
>>> Alan
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 11, 2011 at 8:36 AM,  wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Vitamin d3 is a mouse poison, look up vitamin d3 mouse poison by tom cat
>>>> brand and see if your vitamin d3 has the same ingredient.. cholecalciferol
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Alan Jones
>>>
>>> "The powers not delegated to the United States by the Constitution, nor
>>> prohibited by it to the States, are reserved to the States respectively, or
>>> to the people."  (Tenth Amendment to the US Constitution)
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>CS Doubt.

[David AuBuchon]

EIS is what many of us dorks call colloidal silver instead of CS.  It stands
for "electrically isolated silver" which indicates how it was made, because
many "colloidal silver" products dont actually tell you they are made some
other way.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 9:25 PM, K M  wrote:

>  eis?  what is it??? thanks..Leanne
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 18:18:51 -0800
>
> > Subject: Re: CS>CS Doubt.
> > From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
>
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> >
> > I recently got a couple colds though I was on oral EIS. Though I
> > definitely got tons of benefit against many serious chronic infections
> > I still have right now. It works.
> >
> > As a preventative, I have two thoughts.
> >
> > 1. Maybe EIS particle size may matter much more against viruses
> > (colds and flus) than other organisms?
> >
> > 2. EIS may need to be sprayed in the nose or inhaled to prevent acute
> > infections, which come in through those routes? Maybe oral EIS
> > doesn't get their enough.
> >
> > I recently started spraying it in the nose.
> >
> > ~David
> >
> > On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Josh Armstrong
> >  wrote:
> > > Have been using the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator" for a
> little
> > > while now. Thinking I had really found something amazing, I have been
> trying
> > > to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to myself and my
> family
> > > that it works beyond a shadow of doubt. Nothing has really happened
> until
> > > this week when all of my family except myself has come down with the
> FLU. I
> > > barely ever get sick anyways, though the older I get, the more
> susceptible
> > > to sickness I seem to become. Which is natural of course. Anyways, I
> started
> > > taking larger doses of CS to prevent the FLU, a couple of days after
> the
> > > family got the FLU I finally got it too. Within the last three days I
> have
> > > consumed 2 quarts of CS with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have
> > > followed the directions Steve Barwick has written for use and care of
> > > "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator", and right now I'm feeling
> let
> > > down. Thinking either I did something wrong or the whole CS thing
> doesn't
> > > really work like it should or at all.
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out.
> > >
> > > How I prepare CS:
> > > -Using distilled water in mason quart jars.
> > > -and the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator".
> > > -I let the machine run for a total of 3 hours, with a break after the
> first
> > > 1.5 hours to wipe of the rods.
> > >
> > > Finished product is clear, and reads approx. 7ppm each batch. The mason
> > > quart jars are covered with black duct tape to keep out the sun light
> as an
> > > added extra precaution.
> > >
> > > Josh Armstrong
> > > Knox, TN
> > >
> > >
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Re: CS>CS Doubt.

[David AuBuchon]

generally good advice, but I recently had a toxic OD of vitamin D.  It
turns out that vitamin D can really mess some people up if you have
infectious disease (marshall protocol)!

~David

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Bob Banever  wrote:
> David,
>
>      In addition to the EIS, try taking 4 - 6000 mg Vit.D3 daily.   You
> won't get sick if you do!
>
> Bob
> - Original Message - From: "David AuBuchon"
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2011 6:18 PM
> Subject: Re: CS>CS Doubt.
>
>
> I recently got a couple colds though I was on oral EIS.  Though I
> definitely got tons of benefit against many serious chronic infections
> I still have right now.  It works.
>
> As a preventative, I have two thoughts.
>
> 1.  Maybe EIS particle size may matter much more against viruses
> (colds and flus) than other organisms?
>
> 2.  EIS may need to be sprayed in the nose or inhaled to prevent acute
> infections, which come in through those routes?  Maybe oral EIS
> doesn't get their enough.
>
> I recently started spraying it in the nose.
>
> ~David
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Josh Armstrong
>  wrote:
>>
>> Have been using the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator" for a
>> little
>> while now. Thinking I had really found something amazing, I have been
>> trying
>> to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to myself and my
>> family
>> that it works beyond a shadow of doubt. Nothing has really happened until
>> this week when all of my family except myself has come down with the FLU.
>> I
>> barely ever get sick anyways, though the older I get, the more susceptible
>> to sickness I seem to become. Which is natural of course. Anyways, I
>> started
>> taking larger doses of CS to prevent the FLU, a couple of days after the
>> family got the FLU I finally got it too. Within the last three days I have
>> consumed 2 quarts of CS with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have
>> followed the directions Steve Barwick has written for use and care of
>> "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator", and right now I'm feeling let
>> down. Thinking either I did something wrong or the whole CS thing doesn't
>> really work like it should or at all.
>>
>> Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out.
>>
>> How I prepare CS:
>> -Using distilled water in mason quart jars.
>> -and the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator".
>> -I let the machine run for a total of 3 hours, with a break after the
>> first
>> 1.5 hours to wipe of the rods.
>>
>> Finished product is clear, and reads approx. 7ppm each batch. The mason
>> quart jars are covered with black duct tape to keep out the sun light as
>> an
>> added extra precaution.
>>
>> Josh Armstrong
>> Knox, TN
>>
>>
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Re: CS>CS Doubt.

[David AuBuchon]

I recently got a couple colds though I was on oral EIS.  Though I
definitely got tons of benefit against many serious chronic infections
I still have right now.  It works.

As a preventative, I have two thoughts.

1.  Maybe EIS particle size may matter much more against viruses
(colds and flus) than other organisms?

2.  EIS may need to be sprayed in the nose or inhaled to prevent acute
infections, which come in through those routes?  Maybe oral EIS
doesn't get their enough.

I recently started spraying it in the nose.

~David

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 5:15 PM, Josh Armstrong
 wrote:
> Have been using the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator" for a little
> while now. Thinking I had really found something amazing, I have been trying
> to test it's effectiveness in various ways to prove to myself and my family
> that it works beyond a shadow of doubt. Nothing has really happened until
> this week when all of my family except myself has come down with the FLU. I
> barely ever get sick anyways, though the older I get, the more susceptible
> to sickness I seem to become. Which is natural of course. Anyways, I started
> taking larger doses of CS to prevent the FLU, a couple of days after the
> family got the FLU I finally got it too. Within the last three days I have
> consumed 2 quarts of CS with no perceivable signs of benefit. I have
> followed the directions Steve Barwick has written for use and care of
> "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator", and right now I'm feeling let
> down. Thinking either I did something wrong or the whole CS thing doesn't
> really work like it should or at all.
>
> Does anyone have any advice or feedback to help me out.
>
> How I prepare CS:
> -Using distilled water in mason quart jars.
> -and the "Micro-Particle Colloidal Silver Generator".
> -I let the machine run for a total of 3 hours, with a break after the first
> 1.5 hours to wipe of the rods.
>
> Finished product is clear, and reads approx. 7ppm each batch. The mason
> quart jars are covered with black duct tape to keep out the sun light as an
> added extra precaution.
>
> Josh Armstrong
> Knox, TN
>
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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46

[David AuBuchon]

If you take vitamin C with EIS, would that increase risk of argyria?  Adding
vit C to EIS makes it look gray.

~David

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:53 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:

> Neville
>   No--Possibly a Multi vitamin but nothing of any consequence. I started
> Vit-C-lysine-proline and a couple grams of Niacin at a later date( about 6
> years later) but I was still ingesting CS.
> Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:06 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
>
>>  Dave?
>>
>> Just to conclude from my end, you wouldn't happen to remember if you were
>> taking/using/applying/inhaling or whatever anything else at the same time
>> you were ingesting the EIS/CS would you?
>>
>> OK, that's the last question .  Apologies if I appear rather intrusive,
>> PM me if you prefer.
>>
>> N.
>>
>> --
>> Date: Thu, 10 Feb 2011 12:52:44 -0800
>> Subject: Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46
>> From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>
>>
>>  If people think vit C would help, I wonder if lipo-C would help.  I also
>> wonder if oral h2o2 could break up particles, like it does in a jar of CS.
>>
>> ~David
>> http://scientificliving.net/
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:
>>
>> Melly
>>   I tried the protocols that were going around at that time. A very
>> knowledgeable list member named Jason Had a sure fire way with Selenium and
>> Vit-E. It did nothing for me. The only way I have seen any lightening of the
>> skin was when I tore some off and after healing there was a spot with normal
>> color. I don't think it is important enough to remove my skin to rid me of
>> it, actually It gives me a distinction, like showing my perfect health for a
>> 75 year old.
>> Dave
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:
>>
>>   Dave,
>>
>> Did you get rid of the gray color on your face? How long did it take you
>> to get rid of it? What did use?
>>
>> Melly
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 2/9/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com <
>> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46
>> To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
>> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:06 PM
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Anyone what what is actually in Live-Silver ?

[David AuBuchon]

Sorry, the link to the distribution is here:
http://www.live-silver.com/particlesize.htm

~David

On Thu, Feb 10, 2011 at 4:19 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Anyone know about this brand of CS?
>
> http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm
>
> It has a strong tyndall, but also has a particle size distribution
> chart that claims less than 5nm:
>
> http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm
>
> Based on what they write about "splitting particles", I am guessing
> this is hydrogen peroxide added to CS?  Any thoughts?  I am surprised
> that adding peroxide could make a tyndall that strong, especially in
> daylight.  I am wondering if maybe this is also a high ppm product?
> Them claim only 20ppm.  Also, they plainly claim it is used by doctors
> intravenously on their homepage!  Pretty bold!
>
> And this is the first time I had heard of that lab who did their measurement:
>
> http://www.microtrac.com/Services/LabServices/LabPricing.aspx
>
> They say $50 for a particle size distribution.  Not a bad price.
> Anyone know how this equipment compares to CSLs (Frank's)
> measurements?  They both say "light scattering".
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
> http://scientificliving.net/
>
>
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CS>Anyone what what is actually in Live-Silver ?

[David AuBuchon]

Anyone know about this brand of CS?

http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm

It has a strong tyndall, but also has a particle size distribution
chart that claims less than 5nm:

http://www.live-silver.com/Silverbest.htm

Based on what they write about "splitting particles", I am guessing
this is hydrogen peroxide added to CS?  Any thoughts?  I am surprised
that adding peroxide could make a tyndall that strong, especially in
daylight.  I am wondering if maybe this is also a high ppm product?
Them claim only 20ppm.  Also, they plainly claim it is used by doctors
intravenously on their homepage!  Pretty bold!

And this is the first time I had heard of that lab who did their measurement:

http://www.microtrac.com/Services/LabServices/LabPricing.aspx

They say $50 for a particle size distribution.  Not a bad price.
Anyone know how this equipment compares to CSLs (Frank's)
measurements?  They both say "light scattering".

Thanks,
~David
http://scientificliving.net/


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Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46

[David AuBuchon]

 If people think vit C would help, I wonder if lipo-C would help.  I also
wonder if oral h2o2 could break up particles, like it does in a jar of CS.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 8:29 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:

> Melly
>   I tried the protocols that were going around at that time. A very
> knowledgeable list member named Jason Had a sure fire way with Selenium and
> Vit-E. It did nothing for me. The only way I have seen any lightening of the
> skin was when I tore some off and after healing there was a spot with normal
> color. I don't think it is important enough to remove my skin to rid me of
> it, actually It gives me a distinction, like showing my perfect health for a
> 75 year old.
> Dave
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 9, 2011 at 7:57 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:
>
>>  Dave,
>>
>> Did you get rid of the gray color on your face? How long did it take you
>> to get rid of it? What did use?
>>
>> Melly
>>
>> --- On *Wed, 2/9/11, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com <
>> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>* wrote:
>>
>>
>> From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
>> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2011 #46
>> To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
>> Date: Wednesday, February 9, 2011, 10:06 PM
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>CS and dentures

[David AuBuchon]

Does CS stain real teeth?  My teeth have been getting stained a lot in the
last year or so.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 7:40 AM, Marshall Dudley wrote:

> I had a friend who's dentures would start really smelling bad and he would
> have to soak them in bleach to kill everything.  I gave him some CS and he
> reported that it worked just as well as bleach, and didn't leave them
> tasting bad with chlorine.
>
> Marshall
>
>
> On 1/31/2011 11:55 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
>> Is CS a good thing to soak dentures in, instead of buying stuff from the
>> store?
>>
>> ~David
>>
>
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Re: CS>DMSO and nebulized CS

[David AuBuchon]

Rats...this confuses me more.  Sounds like Brooks is implying that
people have done nebulized CS when peroxide is added to it?  Is that
compatible with the other additions of DMSO and MSM?

The peroxide my doc gave me I think was only 0.0375%.  Brooks implies
people nebulize with concentration even more than 2% added to CS?

Sounds like there is a long road to slowly work up through if you want
to take nebulizers to the max.  First CS, then adding peroxide, then
adding DMSO, then adding MSM, then taking cayenne, then using brooks'
fancy nebulizer.  It could take a long time to slowly increase through
all that, but I may have to for myself someday.  In addition to my
friend, I know my lungs are infected with something as part of my
chronic lyme.  I don't have any response to that very low percentage
peroxide or to 10ppm CS.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/


On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 6:38 PM, David Snowdon  wrote:
> I'd be very cautious when nebulizing DMSO on a smoker. It could release a
> lot
> of the stored poisons coating the lungs from smoking. Below is a message
> from Brooks
> Bradley:
>
> Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:34:54 -0500
> From: BROOKS BRADLEY
> Subject: Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy
>
> To all interested listmembers:
>
> I have followed the recxent postings relative to incorporating H202 into
> the pulmonary system protocol involving nebulization.  After inquiring
> from some of our staff involved in some of our evaluations several years
> ago ... I am informed that CAUTION is the watchword when dealing with
> unknown pathogenic parameters.
>
> I am informed that pronounced adverse reactions occurred in some of our
> animal evaluations.  The problem was determined to be based upon the
> nature/condition of the biological terrain of the lungs --- AT THE TIME
> OF INHALATION.  It seems that, although, the air sacs are superficially
> exposed to atmospheric 02 on every inhalation (excepting those
> compromised by anerobic pathogens insulated from this high O2 gas (air)
> ... there exists a circumstance presenting serious challenges to the
> UNREGULATED exposure to H202.
>
> The systemic challenge can manifest if sufficient volume of the H202
> mist comes into sudden...direct contact with ANY sizeable anerobic
> population  If there is a sizeable population of anerobes present
> ---WHICH PRESENT IMMEDIATE ACCESSIBLITY  to the incoming H202 mist ...
> the possibility exists that the foaming action could be great enough to
> generate SERIOUS consequences.
>
> This possibility rises by an order of magnitude if DMSO is involved in
> the protocol.  Our staff confirmed this through animal experiments.
> Adverse reactions were encountered in some cases involving H202
> concentrations as low as 2%.  The stabilizing protocol involved 100% 02
> at 1.25 atmospheres --- and was instituted at the FIRST signs of
> pulmonary distress.
>
> In my opinion, administering CS in combination with H202 --- into an
> unknown pathogenic environment involving the lungs --- could be VERY
> serious.  I am not attempting to be alarmist in this instance;  just
> pointing out what should be obvious to all deliberate/cautious
> researchers.  The odds against a serious adverse occurrence are,
> probably, higher than its likelihood ... but even long odds are not too
> desireable when the breathing system is involved.
>
> If one insists on experimenting with such a protocol, it would appear
> prudent to start at or below 0.5%  H202.  It would, also, be adviseable
> to mix a sample of the volunteer's sputum with a generous amount of your
> protocol solution and observe for reaction ... prior to inducing
> inhalation procedures.
>
> Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.
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Re: CS>DMSO and nebulized CS

[David Snowdon]

I'd be very cautious when nebulizing DMSO on a smoker. It could release 
a lot
of the stored poisons coating the lungs from smoking. Below is a message 
from Brooks

Bradley:

Date: Tue, 17 Apr 2001 21:34:54 -0500
From: BROOKS BRADLEY
Subject: Re: CS>Caution using H2O2/CS Inhalation Therapy

To all interested listmembers:

I have followed the recxent postings relative to incorporating H202 into
the pulmonary system protocol involving nebulization.  After inquiring
from some of our staff involved in some of our evaluations several years
ago ... I am informed that CAUTION is the watchword when dealing with
unknown pathogenic parameters.

I am informed that pronounced adverse reactions occurred in some of our
animal evaluations.  The problem was determined to be based upon the
nature/condition of the biological terrain of the lungs --- AT THE TIME
OF INHALATION.  It seems that, although, the air sacs are superficially
exposed to atmospheric 02 on every inhalation (excepting those
compromised by anerobic pathogens insulated from this high O2 gas (air)
... there exists a circumstance presenting serious challenges to the
UNREGULATED exposure to H202.

The systemic challenge can manifest if sufficient volume of the H202
mist comes into sudden...direct contact with ANY sizeable anerobic
population  If there is a sizeable population of anerobes present
---WHICH PRESENT IMMEDIATE ACCESSIBLITY  to the incoming H202 mist ...
the possibility exists that the foaming action could be great enough to
generate SERIOUS consequences.

This possibility rises by an order of magnitude if DMSO is involved in
the protocol.  Our staff confirmed this through animal experiments.
Adverse reactions were encountered in some cases involving H202
concentrations as low as 2%.  The stabilizing protocol involved 100% 02
at 1.25 atmospheres --- and was instituted at the FIRST signs of
pulmonary distress.

In my opinion, administering CS in combination with H202 --- into an
unknown pathogenic environment involving the lungs --- could be VERY
serious.  I am not attempting to be alarmist in this instance;  just
pointing out what should be obvious to all deliberate/cautious
researchers.  The odds against a serious adverse occurrence are,
probably, higher than its likelihood ... but even long odds are not too
desireable when the breathing system is involved.

If one insists on experimenting with such a protocol, it would appear
prudent to start at or below 0.5%  H202.  It would, also, be adviseable
to mix a sample of the volunteer's sputum with a generous amount of your
protocol solution and observe for reaction ... prior to inducing
inhalation procedures.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley.


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Re: CS>can anyone this tyndall of tap water?

[David AuBuchon]

So tap water has lots of ions in it, that contribute to lots of
conductivity, but don't contribute to tyndall, and has very little
particles in it that create very little tyndall?

~David

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 1:53 PM, Marshall  wrote:
> Well filtered tap water should have no tyndall.  Often tyndall in tap water
> is from bubbles, which quickly rise to the surface.
>
> Marshall
>
> On 2/1/2011 4:42 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> I just took some photos of the tyndall with a laser pen in the dark of
>> several liquids.  One thing I noticed that was the tyndall of tap water was
>> not actually that bright.  It was pretty dim in fact.  The tyndall of a
>> roughly 10ppm CS that went a little wrong was MUCH stronger.  This CS was
>> still mostly clear but was just borderline starting to turn yellowish.  I
>> always assumed tap water would have strong tyndall.  I took all the photos
>> in mason jars.
>>
>> ~David
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CS>can anyone this tyndall of tap water?

[David AuBuchon]

I just took some photos of the tyndall with a laser pen in the dark of
several liquids.  One thing I noticed that was the tyndall of tap water was
not actually that bright.  It was pretty dim in fact.  The tyndall of a
roughly 10ppm CS that went a little wrong was MUCH stronger.  This CS was
still mostly clear but was just borderline starting to turn yellowish.  I
always assumed tap water would have strong tyndall.  I took all the photos
in mason jars.

~David

Re: CS>DMSO and nebulized CS

[David AuBuchon]

Thanks.  Any idea if this is safe on humans?  I'm going to try this on
myself before I give it to my friend.

Anyone know: the CS really does not react with the MSM at all?  How does MSM
potentiate the CS?

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Tue, Feb 1, 2011 at 11:51 AM, sol  wrote:

> David, I use this mix: 1 oz CS - 1 tsp MSM powder- 12 drops DMSO
>  Years ago I figured out what percent of DMSo this is but I have long
> forgotten. I mix it in a glass dropper bottle and usually use 3 ml as a
> treatment. I used it in an omron elite for many years until it died (the
> switch died)---now am using it in the edge-1 shown on the page the link you
> gave connects to. I HATE the edge-1 as it is incredibly noisy. After some
> searching I found another omron elite at ebay and it is supposed to be here
> tomorrow.  I can hardly wait!
>  The CS in my mix is my homemade about 10 ppm, the MSM I use is Opti-MSM,
> and The DSMO is just plain old  "vet grade" DMSO as sold by Jeffers Equine,
> etc. (I  am nebulize my pet rabbit twice a day, and you can see a photo of
> him getting a treatment at the homepage of the SilverPets list:
> http://pets.groups.yahoo.com/group/SilverPets/
>
> A 3 ml treatment with the edge-1 takes approx 15 minutes.  If memory serves
> the Omron was a little faster.
> sol
>
>
> David AuBuchon wrote:
>
>> I am starting to give someone nebulized CS.  He has this nebulizer:
>> http://www.portablenebs.com/omronelite.htm
>>
>
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Re: Water query was // Re: CS>CS and dentures

[David AuBuchon]

Hey Jane,
Sorry, I don't think it is possible to make high quality CS with anything
but distilled water, as far as I know.

~David
http://scientificliving.net/

On Mon, Jan 31, 2011 at 10:16 PM, Jane MacRoss
wrote:

>  David is the Cole's Demineralized Water OK for making the CS?
>
> Thanks
>
> Jane
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* David AuBuchon 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 01, 2011 3:55 PM
> *Subject:* CS>CS and dentures
>
> Is CS a good thing to soak dentures in, instead of buying stuff from the
> store?
>
> ~David
>
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CS>CS and dentures

[David AuBuchon]

Is CS a good thing to soak dentures in, instead of buying stuff from the
store?

~David

CS>DMSO and nebulized CS

[David AuBuchon]

I am starting to give someone nebulized CS.  He has this nebulizer:
http://www.portablenebs.com/omronelite.htm

He does about 2 cc's, which takes about 10 minutes to nebulize.  How much
DMSO should I add to this much CS?  If the answer is in "percent", then
percent by what (ie volume...mass...etc)?  Any safety concerns?  I'm just
washing the nebulizer out with tap water between uses.

He's always coughed up mucus, which got a lot better after alt. treatment
for the cancer he has, a little of which touched his lungs.  But he still
has some mucus and coughing going on, and his voice has always been raspy.
I think he smoked ages ago.  He's done a lot of nebulized peroxide.  I don't
know what concentration, but a doctor gave that to us in bottles.  I suppose
you wouldn't want to do nebulized peroxide close to nebulized CS as a safety
thing also.

~David

Re: CS>need a diagram for the B.E. unit

[David Snowdon]

This is a schematic for the Bob Beck unit, which switches polarity every 
4 seconds.


The godzilla unit is simply four AA (or C or D) batteries in series with 
a resistor (say

10,000 ohms - used to limit safely the current).

Steve G wrote:

Or if you don't like magic, check out this site

http://www.unleashhealth.com/content/guides/breadboard_guide.html


  



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Re: CS>amount of CS to take daily for LYME Disease?

[David AuBuchon]

Hey Paul,  ya I remember your story from the other group.  CS is definitely
not a cure all, but in my opinion it is an excellent first choice for Lyme.
Lyme is real complicated and can take lots of different things in the course
of time.

~David

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 12:24 PM,  wrote:

> I took this amount for a while for lyme and it didn't help much
>
> Sent from my Verizon Wireless BlackBerry
> --
> *From: * David AuBuchon 
> *Date: *Tue, 11 Jan 2011 12:22:15 -0800
> *To: *
> *ReplyTo: * silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject: *Re: CS>amount of CS to take daily for LYME Disease?
>
> I would work up to 16oz a day as you can tolerate any herx.  Herx should be
> very minimal and not more.  This dose you cannot take for endless months
> though for slight possibility of argyria.  You can do it for some time
> though.  In that time you may come up with other antimicrobials do do at the
> same time are use to take a break from CS.
>
> ~David
>
> On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ron Minnick 
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Could anyone tell me how much and at what strength to take CS for LYME
>> DISEASE?   I cook mine at 6 for my horse, but that's all that I
>> know...Doreen
>> --
>> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:17:19 -0700
>> Subject: Re: CS>amount of CS to take daily?
>> From: utahpug...@gmail.com
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>
>> Hi, Susie,
>>  Well, I take about 1 cup a day in 3 parts to fight an active infection. I
>> take 1/3rd cup daily as a preventive. Mine is homemade CS, about 18 PPM.
>> It got rid of Lyme Disease in me and numerous things in my pets.
>> Great stuff!
>> Marshalee
>>
>>
>> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM, goofeygalpal wrote:
>>
>>  i just got back on the CS wagon after being off of it for years.
>>
>> Husband and i both have long standing chronic illness. Just made my first
>> batch of CS after a few years and we've been taking some and holding it in
>> our mouths for 3 minutes and then swallowing
>>
>> Can we slowly sip throughout the day or just take 2-3X a day or is there a
>> preferred method for those with chronic illnesess?
>>
>> Also-- how much to take per day? 1/2 a cup? is 1 cup too much?
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Susie
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>amount of CS to take daily for LYME Disease?

[David AuBuchon]

I would work up to 16oz a day as you can tolerate any herx.  Herx should be
very minimal and not more.  This dose you cannot take for endless months
though for slight possibility of argyria.  You can do it for some time
though.  In that time you may come up with other antimicrobials do do at the
same time are use to take a break from CS.

~David

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:59 AM, Ron Minnick wrote:

>
> Could anyone tell me how much and at what strength to take CS for LYME
> DISEASE?   I cook mine at 6 for my horse, but that's all that I
> know...Doreen
> --
> Date: Sun, 9 Jan 2011 19:17:19 -0700
> Subject: Re: CS>amount of CS to take daily?
> From: utahpug...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Hi, Susie,
>  Well, I take about 1 cup a day in 3 parts to fight an active infection. I
> take 1/3rd cup daily as a preventive. Mine is homemade CS, about 18 PPM.
> It got rid of Lyme Disease in me and numerous things in my pets.
> Great stuff!
> Marshalee
>
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 3:22 PM, goofeygalpal wrote:
>
>  i just got back on the CS wagon after being off of it for years.
>
> Husband and i both have long standing chronic illness. Just made my first
> batch of CS after a few years and we've been taking some and holding it in
> our mouths for 3 minutes and then swallowing
>
> Can we slowly sip throughout the day or just take 2-3X a day or is there a
> preferred method for those with chronic illnesess?
>
> Also-- how much to take per day? 1/2 a cup? is 1 cup too much?
>
> Thanks!
> Susie
>
>
>

Re: CS>silvergen sg6 question...PLEASE HELP!!!! ( OK Read this )

[David AuBuchon]

I get steam distilled at Walgreens for the last 18 months and it has been
reading like 0.5 uS

~David

On Tue, Jan 11, 2011 at 9:52 AM, Tel Tofflemire  wrote:

> *Dan, *
> *Be sure your distilled water is as pure as you think it is, as sometimes
> they do a back flush in production, and the contaminated water mixes with
> it...*
> *
> *
> *(Walgreens) Had the best water for many years and they changed co's and
> They were testing at 20 to 30 PPM dissolved solids before I ever used it, so
> I took the bottles back,  (The Mgr) was going to argue with me and I took
> out my tester, I had 2 of them with me, he said ok, and refunded my money in
> full. But every once in a while I went back and would buy a bottle, it never
> got better.  I find the best **distilled water now at Wallmart, they make
> there own and it comes out of Little Rock Ar.*
> *Also be sure your container (glass Jar) is clean before you start, wipe
> the inside with a paper towel, it will probably wipe out some black looking
> crud you could not see.*
> *Tel Tofflemire*
> *Dewey, AZ.*
> *http://www.quailwoodherbal,com*
>
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> *From:* Dan Nave 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sun, January 9, 2011 6:51:26 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>silvergen sg6 question...PLEASE HELP
>
> Probably the stirrer was not working.
>
> This milky stuff is sometimes seen where there is no movement of the water.
>
> Dan
>
> On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 12:16 PM, Kenny laguna 
> wrote:
> > Hi, i recently got my sg6. The first two batches, were perfect. However,
> the
> > third batch i made (using the same high quality distilled water, and same
> > ppm setting) was different. I was in the other room when the unit shut
> off
> > (complete) it was probably 15 mins. or so that passed, before i checked
> the
> > unit and saw the batch was "ready". To my surprise, there was a "milky"
> > looking substance dripping from the electrode connected to the "red" lug.
> It
> > was dripping from the bottom of the electrode, and literally had a "pool"
> of
> > this substance collecting at the bottom of my mason jar!
> >
> > Again, i did nothing different from the previous 2 batches. Same mason
> jar,
> > same water, same setting.
> >
> > This really worries me! Can somebody please ease my mind and tell me why,
> > and how this possibly happened?
> >
> > Thank you so much, you guys have been great!
> >
>
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Re: CS>and Leukemia

[David AuBuchon]

one case here:
http://testimonials.silvermedicine.org/silvergen-leukemia-silver.php

~David

On Thu, Dec 23, 2010 at 6:18 AM, Ron Minnick wrote:

>  Does anyone know if CS has any effect on Leukemia?
>
>
>
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> *
>
>
>

Re: CS>solubility of silver oxide?

[David AuBuchon]

But needs some lab setup for "explosive" safety.

Then again, also very portable.

~David

On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> So, if it does work, it would be about 3 to 4 times as expensive in
> silver costs as making it with electrolysis.
> But maybe a lot quicker and with more certainty in the outcome (no
> need to understand and characterize the specifics of electrode size,
> current, container shape, etc).
>
> Dan
>
> On Tue, Dec 21, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Marshall Dudley  
> wrote:
>> Silver oxide can be purchased from several places, such as Salt Lake Metals
>> for around $75 to $100 an ounce.
>>
>> Marshall


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Re: CS>solubility of silver oxide?

[David AuBuchon]

An interesting note is that Frank Key has some kill studies that used
mesosilver at both 20PPM and 75PPM:

http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html

I wonder how the particle size and ratio differ.  Ya, Karl has a
website where he offers to sell samples of high density colloidal
silver (not EIS).

I would honestly try both high density EIS and CS at least once if I
had samples.  My observation has been that CS is very effective across
the board, but people peak at some point when battling serious
infection.  Then if they go IV, they make progress again.  So I would
definitely say CS is limited by its ability to reach the needed places
in the needed concentrations.

I also remember seeing some in vitro kill studies that indicated that
higher PPM EIS was more than just "proportionally" more effective than
lower PPM EIS.  I'd have to look to find it again.  Like the time to
kill wasn't just a linear relationship versus PPM.  It was curved.

Anyway, what I am getting at, is that a volume of say, 10PPM CS may
actual be more effective than twice the volume of 5PPM CS.  And this
might get much more pronounced at higher PPMS.  So like if you took 1
ounce of 320PPM EIS, that it might be much more effective than 32
ounces of 10 PPM EIS.  Doing this would ingest the same total amount
of silver.  Though this may not carry the same risk of argyria if
taken this way.

~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 8:03 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> Yes, I recognize Karl's name.  He is very extreme and is into
> uncontrolled, massively high ppm silver products and uses large
> amounts of peroxide as well.
>
> I had in mind a more moderate amount of Hydrogen Peroxide and a known
> amount of silver oxide in order to make something equivalent to our CS
> or EIS product without using electrolysis.


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Re: CS>HIV testimonial question

[David AuBuchon]

I knew a quack that gave lots of IV peroxide.  I might ask him what
concentration he used next time I get a chance.  I remember it was 2
cc's.

People might be interested to see this study on nanosilver and HIV:
http://www.jnanobiotechnology.com/content/3/1/6

It says that only nanoparticles of silver from 1 to 10 nm in size
attach to the virus in vitro.  That may explain hits and misses with
HIV patients and CS (if there are hits and misses) depending on the
product used.  That is also if you believe the ions don't do anything
to HIV, and it is only the particles.

~David

~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:49 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> I'd be really careful about this.  I don't think it is advisable to
> inject 3 or 6% H2O2 straight like this, even if it is only 2cc.
>
> Dr. William Campbell Douglass' book on Hydrogen Peroxide has case
> studies where they were giving repeated doses of 250ml of .0375% for
> chronic conditions and .15% up to .3% for acute conditions.  So, the
> total H2O2 is probably more, but the concentration is much more
> diluted.
>


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Re: CS>solubility of silver oxide?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Neville,

I think PPM might mean whatever you define it to mean.  I was trying
to invent a term that accounts for the mass of silver in just the
ionic form.  So say for example silver oxide has solubility of 26
mg/liter.  Then in theory the "soluble Ag content" of EIS can reach 26
mg/liter.  In addition to this, there can also be some silver in
particles.  So in theory, I am thinking that means that EIS could have
higher than 26PPM total (both ions and particles) while still having
good particle size (if made my some magical process of electrolysis)
=)

~David


On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:25 PM, Neville Munn  wrote:
> David,
>
> PPM refers to mg of silver {in total} per litre of water as established
> under laboratory analysis does it not?
>
> If discussing - "PPM of dissolved silver ions" - then that would be referred
> to as the 'Soluble Ag' component or content.
>
> PPM content would be the total amount of Ag present in both ionic and
> particulate form in that solution would it not?
>
> N.
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Re: CS>solubility of silver oxide?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Dan,

Funny, I ran into this post on a totally dead CS forum, that I think
describes how to do exactly what you are talking about. It sounds like
the guys done it before.  I bet lots of folk here recognize the name
of the poster.  He says to save the sludge from your CS cathode and
add peroxide to that to make high density EIS (i am guessing it can go
beyond 26 ppm?).  I wonder what exact form the silver in the sludge is
in?

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/silverdatawebsite/message/3798

~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 7:19 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:
> Several years ago when Marshall was talking about silver oxide, silver
> hydroxide, and H2O2, I suggested that we could take enough silver
> oxide by weight mixed with distilled water to make about 25ppm
> solution and combine them with some H2O2.  If his theories were
> correct it should make colloidal silver which is identical to what we
> make with electricity (EIS) when we add the H2O2 a few days after
> brewing.
>
> I wish someone with access to silver oxide powder would test it out.
>
> Dan


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CS>HIV testimonial question

[David AuBuchon]

There is a testimonial on the silvermedicine site about an injection
of H2O2 and CS combo.  What is interesting about this is that so
little CS was used.  I wonder if something like this could help people
with lyme and company (i.e. me)?  I researched a lot into IV CS and
found that people needed like 8oz at a time IV.  I am wondering if the
peroxide really made the difference in this person's treatment?  There
wasn't an email address otherwise I would have contacted him.  I hear
that IV CS really stings badly, so 2ml would be wa preferable to
8oz, and a lot quicker and cheaper.

"After a legal document had been signed relieving him of any
responsibility of the outcome of the undertaking the treatment began.
It was calculated to inject 2mls H2O2 at 6% and 2mls of colloidal
silver, produced by Silver Colloid Australia Pty Ltd (which the
Professor thoroughly checked) three times weekly for one month."

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>solubility of silver oxide?

[David AuBuchon]

Also, when we say that that in theory, EIS can reach a PPM of 26,
don't we actually mean:

"In theory the PPM of dissolved silver ions can reach 26PPM, and there
may be some additional PPM contributed by particles of silver, so in
theory EIS can reach slightly more than 26 PPM."

?

Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Dec 20, 2010 at 3:43 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide
>
> I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
> hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
> for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
> wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
> both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?
>
> For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
> found to be 26PPM
> Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
> solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
> (is this what we would actually find?)
>
> But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
> only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
> doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
> had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
> initially?
>
> Okay, now I confused myself,
> ~David
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CS>solubility of silver oxide?

[David AuBuchon]

Wikipedia lists the solubility of silver oxide as 25PPM.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_oxide

I am wondering how this reconciles with talk on this list of silver
hydroxide and silver oxide each having a solubility of about 13ppm,
for a total of 26PPM (roughly the same as 25PPM?).  I wonder if
wikipedia is using the word silver oxide to encompass what we mean by
both silver hydroxide and silver oxide together?

For example, if you put silveroxide in water, say its solubility was
found to be 26PPM
Then say you put silver hydroxide in some water, and say its
solubility was also found to be 26PPM.
(is this what we would actually find?)

But this wouldn't say what is actually in the solution at the end.  It
only says what you put into the solution.  Am I right to think that
doing either of those two experiments would result in a solution that
had the same stuff in it, even though different stuff went in
initially?

Okay, now I confused myself,
~David


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Re: CS>Distilled Water....MORE Toxic than Municipal Tap Water?!

[David AuBuchon]

I think Dr. Mercola does a marvelous job.  Nobody is perfect, but we
need people like him.  I think he well researches everything.  He
sells his own products, but I really believe he would recommend them,
even if they increased someone ELSES sales.

~David

On Sat, Dec 18, 2010 at 6:27 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick  wrote:
> I’m afraid I don’t agree at all.  It was Mercola who first pointed me in the
> right direction as far as health is concerned and it wasn’t for any
> financial gain at all as he didn’t sell anything then.  He still recommends
> other peoples products as well as his own too.  I don’t blame him for making
> a living from selling good supplements at all and the information he gives
> is worth a great deal.  He has also been in trouble many times with the
> establishment as well re things like his stance on vaccines etc., they have
> often tried to close his site to prevent him telling people about the drug
> companies.  dee
>
>
> On 18/12/2010 14:11, "Steve"  wrote:
>
> My thoughts are to not read anything written by mercola.  He is a big time
> hypster and everything he does is about scaring people into buying only his
> products.  Every week is a new big revelation of junk you absolutely must
> have in order to have a shot at good health.
>
> Better is to read articles written by people who aren't trying to grab the
> contents of your wallet.
>
> On Dec 18, 2010, at 9:02 AM, j petras  wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
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CS>liposomal artemisinin

[David AuBuchon]

I asked around to see if liposomal artemisinin has ever been done.
Artemisinin is a stellar cancer therapy by itself.  Throw in liposomes
and you completely overcome the absorption problems, get
intreacellular penetration, AND liposomes selectively target tumors.

In response to my questions, I found out that just yesterday a study
on liposomal artemisinin was posted:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/21158702?dopt=Abstract

When injected, conventional liposomal artemisinin lasts 3 times as
long as regular artemisinin.  Considering that even less regular
artemisinin would be in the blood had it been taken orally, this is
much more than a 3 fold improvement.  Factor in intracellular delivery
and targeting of tumors, and you got a stellar cancer treatment.  They
could only get 70% encapsulation, so it will taste bad however you do
it.

Artemisinin is fat soluble.  I bet this could be done at home.  You
may need to warm the lecithin to 110 degrees first, then mix with the
artemisinin.  Then immediately refrig.  Dr. Donsbach says you should
heat the phospholipids to 110, then apply a shear (ultrasonic mixing),
then quickly cool it to do liposomal anything.  It would probably be
better to use the larger ultrasonic mixer.

Dr. K. is doing liposomal artemisinin for lyme just by blending phospholipids.

Also, FYI, here is a study on liposomal artesunate.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/12644192

~David


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Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.

[David AuBuchon]

I remember heaing about some other supplements like vitamin C, MSM, and kelp
powder.  Maybe someday it might be worth looking over that info again?  Just
a thought.  I know you are probably sick of thinking about it by now.  Also
I might suggest liposomal C instead of vitamin C.

I was also wondering if anyone has though of an oral H2O2 protocol for
argyria?  Or maybe getting IV H2O2 could do something?  Maybe it could
oxidize lodged particles and break them up into smaller pieces that are
naturally removed?  Just a thought.

~David

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 7:45 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:

> David
>   Yes I tried Jasons vitamin E and selenium protocol that was discussed
> here and it did nothing,I said so and got chewed out for suggesting that it
> must have been something that was designed to make those that don't have
> argeria feel better,thinking there was a way out if they got it. I think
> that the ones that came up with the idea are in the Silver colloid business.
> Dave
>
>
> On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 5:04 PM, David AuBuchon 
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Dave,
>>
>> Did you ever try any of those supplements to try and reverse argyria?
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:05 AM, PT Ferrance wrote:
>>
>>> I took Concentrace years ago.  It was comprised of mineral chlorides and
>>> I ended up becoming ill from too much chloride.  I took broken cell wall
>>> chlorella even before that and a year after I stopped taking it when I had a
>>> series of colonics the practitioner asked if I had ever taken chlorella
>>> because she saw it in the outflow.  Evidently chlorella is not a good thing
>>> for everyone and I am one of those who should not take it.  With the fulvic
>>> minerals I not only feel better but in an electrical therapy I use the
>>> difference can be heard in the tones it emits on those days I take the
>>> minerals... I would say I am more electrical.
>>> PT
>>>
>>>  --
>>> *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
>>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> *Sent:* Wed, December 15, 2010 4:17:31 AM
>>> *Subject:* Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.
>>>
>>> I used to until I read things which indicated that these minerals taken
>>> in this form are not bioavailable.  I think things like Concentrace maybe
>>> more so but it is so easy to imbalance things like minerals which is
>>> apparently much more harmful than the odd deficiency.  I take chlorella
>>> which is a 'superfood' and contains all minerals in a balanced food form.
>>> dee PS it also has the added benefit of helping to remove 'heavy' metals
>>> from the body.
>>>
>>> On 14 Dec 2010, at 20:13, PT Ferrance wrote:
>>>
>>> > I have taken vitamin/mineral supplements for years.  A friend recently
>>> told me about fulvic minerals and I tried a bottle.  The improvement was
>>> noticeable within a few days.
>>> > PT
>>> >
>>>
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CS>natural immunogenics kill studies

[David AuBuchon]

I seem to remember seeing several kill studies by natural immunogenics, but
can't find any on their website now.  Anyone know where these are?

Thanks,
~David

Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Dave,

Did you ever try any of those supplements to try and reverse argyria?

~David

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 5:05 AM, PT Ferrance  wrote:

> I took Concentrace years ago.  It was comprised of mineral chlorides and I
> ended up becoming ill from too much chloride.  I took broken cell wall
> chlorella even before that and a year after I stopped taking it when I had a
> series of colonics the practitioner asked if I had ever taken chlorella
> because she saw it in the outflow.  Evidently chlorella is not a good thing
> for everyone and I am one of those who should not take it.  With the fulvic
> minerals I not only feel better but in an electrical therapy I use the
> difference can be heard in the tones it emits on those days I take the
> minerals... I would say I am more electrical.
> PT
>
>  --
> *From:* Dorothy Fitzpatrick 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Wed, December 15, 2010 4:17:31 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.
>
> I used to until I read things which indicated that these minerals taken in
> this form are not bioavailable.  I think things like Concentrace maybe more
> so but it is so easy to imbalance things like minerals which is apparently
> much more harmful than the odd deficiency.  I take chlorella which is a
> 'superfood' and contains all minerals in a balanced food form.  dee PS it
> also has the added benefit of helping to remove 'heavy' metals from the
> body.
>
> On 14 Dec 2010, at 20:13, PT Ferrance wrote:
>
> > I have taken vitamin/mineral supplements for years.  A friend recently
> told me about fulvic minerals and I tried a bottle.  The improvement was
> noticeable within a few days.
> > PT
> >
>
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Re: CS>CS:> Lipo C encapsulation technique

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Dorothy,

In case it makes a difference, I think they sell larger sizes, like 1
gallon.

~David

On Thu, Dec 16, 2010 at 4:41 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> Hi David, I had high hopes for this until I clicked on the shipping option!
>  They only do USPS to the UK and it cost $31.  This made it $38 in all for
>  8ozs.  Unfortunately for me, this isn't viable but thanks for the
> information.  dee
>
>
> On 15 Dec 2010, at 23:43, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
> > Just FYI, here is another source of sunflower lecithin:
> >
> > http://www.bluemountainorganics.com/_catalog_85743/Sunflower_Lecthin
> >
> > ~David
> >
>
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Re: CS>CS:> Lipo C encapsulation technique

[David AuBuchon]

Just FYI, here is another source of sunflower lecithin:

http://www.bluemountainorganics.com/_catalog_85743/Sunflower_Lecthin

~David

On Wed, Dec 15, 2010 at 10:43 AM, Harold MacDonald  wrote:

>  Re-posting my technique;
> Harold
>
>
> After trying a few different ways to make Lipo-C,I settled on putting 3
> tblspns of Soy Lecithin in one cup of DW and let it sit  at room temp.until
> Lecithin was fully in solution.Then I put two[2] tspns of Ascorbic acid in
> 1/2 cup of DW plus one tspn of bicarb [1],let it fizz right down.If I see
> any sedimentation on the bottom,then I tweak it by adding a pinch of
> Vit.C.,if it fizzes then I add a bit more until no reaction.If the first
> pinch of C does nothing,then I add a pinch of bicarb,if it fizzes then I
> repeat the process until no reaction.I have found this to give me as close
> to 100% as you can hope for.
> In my last four brews I had two with very slight traces of Leci. floating
> on top.These seemed to be from larger sized granules.
> When I measure the Lecithin I do notice that the size of the granules do
> vary.If I had a precise scale I would try doing it by weight, just to see.
>
> Harold
>

Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.

[David AuBuchon]

Were you able to see it slowly onset?

~David

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Dave Darrin  wrote:

> N.
> It only took around six ounces a day for me of appropriately produced
> solution, but I took it for a number of years daily. It has been more than
> ten years now and no return of Lyme. For that I gladly display my grey.
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Neville Munn wrote:
>
>>  If one were to produce - lets say - a 10ppm solution then that would be
>> 10mg of silver per 1 litre of water.  Now if one were taking say 30ml a day
>> then one would have to divide one into tuther resulting in a miniscule
>> intake of silver per day...Yes/No?  Someone else can do the math, I'm a
>> dummy.
>>
>> And I agree, appropriately produced EIS/CS will not result in coloured
>> martians, ignoring for the moment that there is not one case of Argyria to
>> be found as a result of ingestion/application/consumption of suitable
>> quantities of appropriately produced solution.  As for the consumption of 20
>> litres a day...I won't even go there as all bets would be off.
>>
>> N.
>>
>> --
>> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:35:41 -0800
>> Subject: Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.
>> From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>>
>>
>> I remember approximating there being 3 grams of silver in my CS generator
>> cathode.  After maybe 20 gallons of CS, there is still most of it there.
>>
>> 100mg a day of silver from food would only take a month to hit 3 grams of
>> intake.  If this intake measure were true, that would be an argument for
>> virtually zero risk of argyria from properly made EIS.
>>
>> ~David
>>
>> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Harold MacDonald wrote:
>>
>>  "Under ordinary circumstances,daily consumption of fruits and vegetables
>> would yield an intake of  approx. 50-100 mg of silver in the form of a trace
>> element,as reported in 1940 by R.A.Kehoe,Ref[15.]
>>
>> What isn't taken into account is our food supply does not provide enough
>> minerals, and hasn't for a long time as evidenced by these excerpts from
>> :U.S. Senate Document 264: 74 th Congress,2 ND Session,1936.
>>
>> Our physical well-being is more dependent upon minerals we take into our
>> systems than upon calories or vitamins,or upon precise proportions of
>> starch,protein or carbohydrates we consume.
>>
>> "Do you know that most of us today are suffering from certain dangerous
>> diet deficiencies which cannot be remedied until depleted soils from which
>> our food comes are brought into proper balance?"
>>
>> *Just a few excerpts from the 74 th Congress,2ND Session,Senate Document
>> No 264,1936.*
>> **
>> *At one time some years ago I had the full document in file downloaded
>> but lost it.*
>> **
>> *Harold*
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.

[David AuBuchon]

I think Mike may have considered there being 2 cases of argyria from well
made EIS.  Maybe they were doing something different?

http://www.silvermedicine.org/argyria-cases.html

~David


On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 5:27 PM, Neville Munn wrote:

>  If one were to produce - lets say - a 10ppm solution then that would be
> 10mg of silver per 1 litre of water.  Now if one were taking say 30ml a day
> then one would have to divide one into tuther resulting in a miniscule
> intake of silver per day...Yes/No?  Someone else can do the math, I'm a
> dummy.
>
> And I agree, appropriately produced EIS/CS will not result in coloured
> martians, ignoring for the moment that there is not one case of Argyria to
> be found as a result of ingestion/application/consumption of suitable
> quantities of appropriately produced solution.  As for the consumption of 20
> litres a day...I won't even go there as all bets would be off.
>
> N.
>
> --
> Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2010 11:35:41 -0800
> Subject: Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.
> From: aubuchon.da...@gmail.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
>
> I remember approximating there being 3 grams of silver in my CS generator
> cathode.  After maybe 20 gallons of CS, there is still most of it there.
>
> 100mg a day of silver from food would only take a month to hit 3 grams of
> intake.  If this intake measure were true, that would be an argument for
> virtually zero risk of argyria from properly made EIS.
>
> ~David
>
> On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Harold MacDonald wrote:
>
>  "Under ordinary circumstances,daily consumption of fruits and vegetables
> would yield an intake of  approx. 50-100 mg of silver in the form of a trace
> element,as reported in 1940 by R.A.Kehoe,Ref[15.]
>
> What isn't taken into account is our food supply does not provide enough
> minerals, and hasn't for a long time as evidenced by these excerpts from
> :U.S. Senate Document 264: 74 th Congress,2 ND Session,1936.
>
> Our physical well-being is more dependent upon minerals we take into our
> systems than upon calories or vitamins,or upon precise proportions of
> starch,protein or carbohydrates we consume.
>
> "Do you know that most of us today are suffering from certain dangerous
> diet deficiencies which cannot be remedied until depleted soils from which
> our food comes are brought into proper balance?"
>
> *Just a few excerpts from the 74 th Congress,2ND Session,Senate Document
> No 264,1936.*
> **
> *At one time some years ago I had the full document in file downloaded but
> lost it.*
> **
> *Harold*
>
>
>

CS>Questions on Liposomal Encapsulation

[David AuBuchon]

Have some questions for anyone:

1.  Can anyone can comment on if encapsulating with the harbor freight
ultrasonic cleaner removes much of the taste of the supplement(s)
being encapsulated?  I currently am blending things with lecithin in a
blender, but it does not remove the taste at all.  I have a stubborn
patient I am working with who likes to drink nice tasting things, and
not swallow pills.  I currently only encapsulate some neutral tasting
supplements, and I also blend in a piece of banana before I serve it.
The banana masks the lecithin taste very well, but does not mask the
bitter taste of things like sayartemisinin.

2.  I was also wondering if soy lecithin really tastes that bad in
people's opinions.  I haven't tasted it, but I use sunflower lecithin,
which tastes...tolerable.

3.  Anyone tasted commercially available liposomal products?  How do they taste?

4.  In the case that there are good tasting commerically available products:
Say I got a premade product like this one:
http://www.healthyitems.com/liposomal-vitamin-C-p/614.16.htm
If I were to dilute a couple teaspoons in water, could more
supplements be added to the mixture, and then encapsulated in the
harbor freight cleaner?

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.

[David AuBuchon]

I can't recall where I got this from.  Of course, "ppm" would need to
be converted to a measure of daily mass of silver intake somehow.
This could be used as a comparison.

"Some foods accumulate silver, eg mushrooms may boost silver
consumption up to between 200 to 300ppm per day. Approximately 10% of
orally-ingested silver enters systemic circulation and of that, up to
98% is gathered up by metallothioneins, which transport, store and
detoxify essential and nonessential trace metals (Silver, The
Healthful Metal, Silver Institute, Wash, December 31, 1999). Argyria,
a bluish-grey discoloration of the skin, although not aesthetic, is
extremely rare, is “non-pathogenic” / “medically benign” and a daily
ingestion dose of 1-30gram would be required to induce the condition
(Fowler B, Nordberg G, “Silver”, in Handbook on the Toxicology of
Metals, Friberg L et al, eds. Elsevier Sci Pub, Vol 2, 521-31, 1986);
(US EPA, Integrated Risk Information System: ‘Silver’, 1998).
Approximately 3.5gram daily over an entire lifetime will be required
to cause argyria, according to a year 2000 estimate by international
trace mineral expert, Prof Alexander Schauss, PhD, Director of Life
Sciences at John Hopkins University, in response to FDA proposals,
which is 10,000 times that advocated."

~David


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Re: CS>CS:> Silver in fruits,veggies etc.

[David AuBuchon]

I remember approximating there being 3 grams of silver in my CS generator
cathode.  After maybe 20 gallons of CS, there is still most of it there.

100mg a day of silver from food would only take a month to hit 3 grams of
intake.  If this intake measure were true, that would be an argument for
virtually zero risk of argyria from properly made EIS.

~David

On Tue, Dec 14, 2010 at 10:44 AM, Harold MacDonald  wrote:

>  "Under ordinary circumstances,daily consumption of fruits and vegetables
> would yield an intake of  approx. 50-100 mg of silver in the form of a trace
> element,as reported in 1940 by R.A.Kehoe,Ref[15.]
>
> What isn't taken into account is our food supply does not provide enough
> minerals, and hasn't for a long time as evidenced by these excerpts from
> :U.S. Senate Document 264: 74 th Congress,2 ND Session,1936.
>
> Our physical well-being is more dependent upon minerals we take into our
> systems than upon calories or vitamins,or upon precise proportions of
> starch,protein or carbohydrates we consume.
>
> "Do you know that most of us today are suffering from certain dangerous
> diet deficiencies which cannot be remedied until depleted soils from which
> our food comes are brought into proper balance?"
>
> *Just a few excerpts from the 74 th Congress,2ND Session,Senate Document
> No 264,1936.*
> **
> *At one time some years ago I had the full document in file downloaded but
> lost it.*
> **
> *Harold*
>

Re: CS>FOUND: Our Mightiest Germ Fighter, Science Digest March 1978

[David AuBuchon]

Me too please!

Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Dec 13, 2010 at 8:41 PM,  wrote:

> The SENSIBLE way to share a file is to use a service such as
> http://depositfiles.com/en/
>
> "# My Web hosting does not allow storing large mp3 and avi files. Can
> I upload these files to DepositFiles and place a link to them on my
> website so visitors of the website can download them?
>
> You can upload an unlimited number of files to our system and place
> their download URLs anywhere you want, like on your website, page,
> public message forums, live journals, blogs, social networks (Twitter,
> FaceBook, My Space) etc. You can send download URLS of those files to
> your friends via Instant Messaging systems, like ICQ, AIM, Yahoo
> Messenger, Google Talk, and also of course via e-mails (excluding
> spam, of course). You only need to remember received download URLs to
> your files, copy them correctly, and always test it after publishing
> to make sure they work (!) Otherwiose the users you send those
> download links won´t be able to download anything.. "
>
> Otherwise there is endless requests on the list and endless responses
> to fill requests by the originator.
>
> Please investigate this... it's free...
>
>Chuck
> My theory of evolution is that Darwin was adopted.
>
> On 12/13/2010 11:24:13 PM, Smitty (papad...@gmail.com) wrote:
> > Please send me a pdf as well.Thanks in advance,
> > Smitty
> >
> >
> > 
> >
> >
> >
> >  If anyone wants a copy as a
>
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CS>CS and colds

[David AuBuchon]

Is oral CS the best way to give CS for a cold?  Or should it be sprayed up
the nose?  Breathed in with a humidifier?

Thanks,
~David

Re: CS>Gel that can help decayed teeth grow back

[David AuBuchon]

Comfrey some people say heals cavities.  You aren't supposed to swallow it
though.

http://www.naturalnews.com/026781_comfrey_herbs_blood.html
http://www.naturalnews.com/029112_teeth_regeneration.html

~David

On Mon, Dec 6, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Shar  wrote:

> Hope for bad teeth.
> For DIY, perhaps, we could use dmso instead of the poly L-glutamic acid,
> but the question is how could we get the MSH.
> Sharlene
>
>
>
> http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-1297850/Gel-help-decayed-teeth-grow-end-fillings.html
>
> Gel that can help decayed teeth grow back could end fillings
> By PAT HAGAN
> Last updated at 2:50 PM on 27th July 2010
>
> A gel that can help decayed teeth grow back in just weeks may mean an end
> to fillings.
>
> The gel, which is being developed by scientists in France, works by
> prompting cells in teeth to start multiplying. They then form healthy new
> tooth tissue that gradually replaces what has been lost to decay.
>
> Researchers say in lab studies it took just four weeks to restore teeth
> back to their original healthy state. The gel contains
> melanocyte-stimulating hormone, or MSH.
>
> We produce this in the pituitary gland, a pea-sized gland just behind the
> bridge of the nose.
> MSH is already known to play an important part in determining skin colour -
> the more you have, the darker your flesh tone.
>
> But recent studies suggest MSH may also play a crucial role in stimulating
> bone regeneration.
> As bone and teeth are very similar in their structure, a team of scientists
> at the National Institute for Health and Medical Research in Paris tested if
> the hormone could stimulate tooth growth.
>
> Their findings, published in the American Chemical Society journal ACS
> Nano, could signal hurtnot just an end to fillings, but the dreaded dentist
> drill as well. Tooth decay is a major public health problem in Britain.
> Around £45m a year is spent treating decayed teeth and by the age of 15,
> teenagers have had an average of 2.5 teeth filled or removed.
>
> Decay is caused by bacteria, called streptococcus mutans, that live in the
> mouth and feed on sugar in the diet. Once the bacteria stick to the enamel,
> they trigger a process called demineralisation - they turn sugar in the diet
> into a harmful acid that starts to create holes in the teeth.
>
> For decades, the main treatment for cavities has been to 'drill and fill'.
> However, an estimated one in five Britons suffers from dental phobia, a fear
> of dentists which means some would rather endure pain and suffering than
> face the prospect of having their teeth drilled.
>
> The new treatment is painless. And although fillings halt decay, they can
> come loose and sometimes need refilling.
>
> Experts believe new tooth cells would be stronger and a permanent solution.
>
> The French team mixed MSH with a chemical called poly-L-glutamic acid. This
> is a substance often used to transport drugs inside the body because it can
> survive the harsh environments, such as the stomach, that might destroy
> medicines before they get a chance to work.
>
> The mixture was then turned into a gel and rubbed on to cells, called
> dental pulp fibroblasts, taken from extracted human teeth. These cells are
> the kind that help new tooth tissue to grow.
>
> But until now there has been no way of 'switching' them back on once they
> have been destroyed by dental decay. The researchers found the gel triggered
> the growth of new cells and also helped with adhesion - the process by which
> new dental cells 'lock' together.
>
> This is important because it produces strong tooth pulp and enamel which
> could make the decayed tooth as good as new.
>
> In a separate experiment, the French scientists applied the gel to the
> teeth of mice with dental cavities. In just one month, the cavities had
> disappeared. The gel is still undergoing testing but could be available for
> use within three to five years.
>
> Professor Damien Walmsley, the British Dental Association's scientific
> adviser, said the gel could be an interesting new development, but stressed
> it is unlikely to be able to repair teeth that have been extensively damaged
> by decay.
>
> 'There are a lot of exciting developments in this field, of which this is
> one,' he said. 'It looks promising, but we will have to wait for the results
> to come back from clinical trials and its use will be restricted to treating
> small areas of dental decay.'
>
> Scientists have developed a 'tongue' gel as part of a new approach to
> tackling bad breath and preventing tooth decay.
>
> Halitosis is usually caused by bacteria in the mouth. The latest trea

Re: CS>bob beck / silver ions healing wounds

[David AuBuchon]

Thought I'd share I ran into a company that sells a product called
"The Rebuilder".  It is covered by insurance and they basically seem
to market it as a sort of different TENS device for the treatment of
neuropathy.  But if you look closely, I think it is actually a silver
ionotophoresis device that is healing nerves.  The company seems to
know quite a bit about the uses of silver.  I think they fastballed
the insurance companies.

~David

On Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 11:31 AM, bob Larson  wrote:
> be aware that Bob Beck (the Beck Protocol)and dr. Robert O. Becker MD
> (researcher, orthopedic surgeon, and author) are two different people.
> i've read lots of personal accounts of using CS together with low voltage
> direct current LVDC (polarity reversing at various rates but not fast enough
> to really call it AC) applied to surface wounds and sores, bug bites, etc
> causing accelerated healing with no scar formation (the iontophoresis
> effect).  even for gangrenous diabetic bed sores where amputation was
> imminent.  CS used generously as both disinfectant and to keep silver on the
> area as well as for conductive electrolyte, and the electricity applied so
> the current path passes through the the area.
>
> getting the effect to spinal cord is probably not a DIY affair but you can
> try... shouldn't hurt, just might help.  drink lots of CS to get the silver
> in the area if possible, and use experimental LVDC devices you can make
> cheap and easy from a hardware store as discussed in the yahoo group
> microelectricitygermkiller with CS as conductive solution.  maybe topical CS
> in DMSO to target the CS penetration into the needed area. careful with the
> DMSO.
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Saturday, November 27, 2010 1:17 PM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: CS>bob beck / silver ions healing wounds
>>
>> http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm
>>
>> This is a discussion and the text of a patent by Bob Beck regarding
>> "Silver Ionotophoresis"
>>
>> Can anyone in lay man's terms spell it out for me, what exactly did he
>> physically do to administer this treatment?  Just interested in
>> learning long shot options for someone with a spinal cord injury.
>> (actually it turns out there are a lot of good options for spinal cor
>> dinjury, as I see it).
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
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CS>bob beck / silver ions healing wounds

[David AuBuchon]

http://www.rexresearch.com/becker/becker1.htm

This is a discussion and the text of a patent by Bob Beck regarding
"Silver Ionotophoresis"

Can anyone in lay man's terms spell it out for me, what exactly did he
physically do to administer this treatment?  Just interested in
learning long shot options for someone with a spinal cord injury.
(actually it turns out there are a lot of good options for spinal cor
dinjury, as I see it).

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>cs vs mms?

[David AuBuchon]

I know someone who just got IV MMS (not activated).  He felt really run down
for a few days aftwerword.  I wonder if MMS is really safe.  Humble says it
does not affect healthy tissues, and says it is a weak oxidizer.  I wonder
if someone knows about calculating "oxidation potential" or whatever it is
called, and comparing it to other substances?  Ozone therapy appears to be
harmless for example, but it probably has very few actual number of free
radicals compared to taking MMS.

~Davud

On Tue, Nov 23, 2010 at 10:59 AM, bob Larson  wrote:

> here's the highlights of my personal experience as well as observations of
> others (on MMS & CS lists over time) with both.
>
> if CS works for you, forget MMS.
> MMS is harsh on the body... it is a powerful oxidizer and while it kills
> pathogens it also depletes antioxidants, so heavy antioxidant
> supplementation is needed after not long.
> MMS reacts with whatever it contacts that is susceptible to oxidation,
> including body tissues.
> MMS is used up rapidly reacting with stuff, and mostly doesn't make it into
> hard to reach places where pathogens may be, like inside host cells (virus)
> and is mostly only good at getting to stuff in the blood.
> MMS over time is hard on the immune system because of depletion of
> antioxidants.
> CS, by unknown means seems to enhance the immune system and silver does get
> into all the cells of the body with long term use.  when it gets inside
> cells it doesn't leave readily, so while it may take the form of silver
> compounds, those compounds may still be direct pathogen killers.
> CS appears to have the ability to cause apoptosis of cancer cells.  MMS may
> destroy cancer cells by oxidation, showing initial benefit but as the MMS
> runs down the immune system the cancer may get the upper hand.
> MMS may be better for many problems where a short term burst of high kill
> power is needed against stuff in the blood, and might be good to use in
> "pulses" with CS used when the MMS is not.
> MMS is vile to the taste... CS is not.
>
> more, but i have no time to go on and am not an expert.
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: Beth [mailto:csilverl...@yahoo.ca]
> > Sent: Tuesday, November 23, 2010 6:32 AM
> > To: silver-list
> > Subject: CS>cs vs mms?
> >
> > Hi
> > Okay so I have been studying results from CS and MMS.
> > Can someone tell me what the difference is?
> > Is there a different result if I use silver compared to using mms?
> > Or do they both do the same thing?
> > If you have an opinion whether scientific or not, I would
> > like to hear it.
> >
> > Beth
> >
> >
>
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CS>video of making liposomal vitamin C

[David AuBuchon]

This person sent me this video of him making liposomal vit C with an
ultrasonic mixer, for those who are interested:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeU--wadrMY

Re: CS>Re: Quit Smoking

[David AuBuchon]

I posted that article that said Dr. Howensteine has great success with
megadoses of Vit C.  It makes me wonder if liposomal C could be very
effective at treating addiction.

~David

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 7:46 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:

>
> I used to smoke 2.5 packs a day.  One day in year 2000,  i had a chest xray
> and everything was nice and clear. I conditioned my mind that i should quit
> now while i am ahead. So i quit cold turkey, aided by ice cold water, and a
> brand new computer and it kept my mind busy all day hardly noticing the
> cravings.  Before i quit, i put two cartons of cigarettes in the freezer, so
> in my mind i am not actually being deprived coz it is right there within my
> reach.  So it became a matter of self control.  It is difficult after eating
> and while drinking coffee.  I sucked on ice a lot too.
>
> It is really determination.
>
> Melly
> --- On *Tue, 11/16/10, silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com <
> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #886
> To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 16, 2010, 4:38 PM
>
>

Re: CS>quit smoking

[David AuBuchon]

I wrote this article summarizing natural treatments for smoking, alcohol,
and drug addictions:

http://scientificliving.net/2010/08/20-natural-ways-to-beat-drug-alcohol-and-smoking-addiction-featured-on-pickthebrain-com/

On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:21 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> Several relatively low doses of salvia divinorum may help to break the
> addiction to nicotine.
> I don't think that one need experience the psychedelic aspects of it
> to get this effect.
> Still legal, as far as I know.
>
> Dan
>
> On Tue, Nov 16, 2010 at 1:43 PM, Smitty  wrote:
> > I have a friend who wants to quit smoking
> > but procastinates.
> > Is there a supplement or herb that will help
> > a smoker quit ?
> > I know part of this is cleansing the body of toxins.
> > Smitty
>
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Re: CS>Re: LET C

[David AuBuchon]

I have sunflower lecithin on order, and will post when I know more.

~David

On Tue, Nov 9, 2010 at 4:14 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:

> Has anyone experimented using sunflower lecithin instead of soy lecithin
> when making their LET C?  I wonder if sunflower lecithin is as effective as
> the soy lecithin.
>
> HEY, what is in the news now about a missile being launched
> Nobody is talking.
>
> Melly
>
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> silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com>* wrote:
>
>
> From: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com 
> Subject: silver-digest Digest V2010 #871
> To: silver-dig...@eskimo.com
> Date: Tuesday, November 9, 2010, 4:59 PM
>
>

Re: CS>Need Brooks Post on Alzheimer

[David Snowdon]

This is what I've found in my archive:


Subject: CS>Encouraging/Demonstrably Useful, Alzheimer's Addresses
From: "Brooks Bradley"
Date: Mon, 13 Apr 2009 23:08:32 -0400 (EDT)
To: 

I would like to take a few moments to recommend the list membership to 
consider

some of the simple, inexpensive alternative protocols for addressing both
expressing and evolving Alzheimer's symptoms/presentations. Although we 
did not
conduct the primary research, we did conduct evaluation protocols ... 
for those

useful elements determined to be of actual repeatable effect.

Docosahexaenoic acid. (DNA). This is one of the Omega 3 fatty acids which
"distinctly" improved the recall abilities of mice --- in repeated 
performance
tests ... over time (5 months). Both supplements, and/or 
DHA-strengthened diets

were quite effective.

ALPHA LIPOIC ACID (ALA). Obtainable at any health food store for economical
cost. While recognized as a powerful free radical scavenger, not until 
about

year 2000 did research reveal the powerful effects of ALA on presenting
Alzheimer's cases. 600 mg daily of ALA yielded very powerful effects in
preventing ANY DETECTABLE ADVANCE in Alzheimer's over 337 days. No drug
currently on the market today has demonstrated such power. At least not 
to our
knowledge Subjects were tested before and after ... using MMSE and 
cognitive

subscale ADASCog Scaleto obtain actual results.

Huperzine A (an extract from the herb Huperzia serrata). The effective 
modality
presents from the rapid and effective crossing of the blood-brain 
barrier and
preventing/halting the deadly effects of the enzyme acetylcholinesterase 
(AChE)
from destroying the "precious" Acetylcholine. Over half (58%) of the 
subjects

IMPROVED in cognitive and memory function ... using as little as 0.2 mg of
Huperzine daily. We have been VERY impressed with these effects.

Galantamine ... has demonstrated to boost, rapidly, ones acetylcholine. 
This was
achieved by employing as little as 24 mg daily. After one year the test 
group
scored TWICE as high on brain tests ... as did the controls. Galantamine 
is,
actually, an extract from two rather common flowers ... Daffodils and 
snowdrops.


We have been VERY encouraged by these investigative researches. They 
have proven
to be, far and away, the most encouraging we have ever achieved in any 
of our
Alzheimer's investigations. I would encourage any of the list membership 
who is
encountering the beginnings or a demonstrable onset of Alzheimer's-like 
symptoms

... to seriously consider utilizing these powerful, non-invasive protocols.

Sincerely, Brooks Bradley



Subject: CS>ALA
From: Debi
Date: Tue, 14 Apr 2009 11:23:52 -0700 (PDT)
To: silver-list@eskimo.com

Hi I just want to say a little about ALA (alpha-lipoic acid) just a 
caution to
those who may have mercury poisoning and not realize it, I did, when I 
took ALA
it put me to bed until I figured out what was wrong. I have amalgams in 
my mouth
as well as a large exposure years ago. The ALA crosses the blood brain 
barrier

and chelates the mercury out, why it is so devastating when you still have
amalgams, I am not sure I understand. I began to take it based on all the
positive reviews I had read. This is just a caution. I wish I had known 
about
it. Lost about a year of my life til I figured it all out and began 
visiting the

chelation forums.

Debi




craehow...@juno.com wrote:

Does anyone have the posts that Brooks Bradly wrote on Alzheimer's..  thought I 
had them stored but they are gone.
thanks 
connie


  



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Re: CS>LET C

[David AuBuchon]

I think brooks said there is not an easy way, and seem to recall he said you
really need an electron microscope.  He mentioned adding baking soda (if you
encapsulated ascorbic acid) to see if there is no fizz (or some experiment
like that) and later said that such an experiment would not actually be
meaningful.

~David

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 2:45 PM, Jerzy Zieba  wrote:

>  I have just prepared liposomal vit C using sodium ascorbate rather than
> ascorbic acid plus bicarb soda. This alowed me to avoid
> all the pH problems etc ... I dissolved 100g of Sodium Ascorbate in 150 ml
> of warm water. Than I dissolved 150 g of lecithine powder
> in approx. 450 ml water (letting it soak up over 2 hours in the fridge) .
> Than mixed it and liposomized it in a US cleaner (2,5l 170 W).
> Unfortunately I do not know how can I verify how much sodium ascorbate
> has found its way into the liposomes.  How to chceck for
> the change (if any) in the residual sodium ascorbate that did not get into
> the liposomes ? Any idea ?
>
> George
>
> ----- Original Message -
> *From:* David AuBuchon 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 07, 2010 9:48 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>LET C
>
> Dr. Levy says 4 to 6 grams of lipo-C is equivalent in effectiveness to 50
> grams IV C.  He also stated lipo-C is ten times as effective at resolviing
> infections as IV C.  What exactly these two statements mean even still need
> some minor clarifications.
>
> I think Brooks stated somewhere between 50% and 80% encapsulation.  And
> liposomes on the order of 150 nanometers I think.  I don't think 500 has any
> meaning.
>
> ~David
>
> On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Dick Rochon wrote:
>
>>
>> Hi, Brooks, or anyone who can answer.
>>
>> I have read that encapsulating Vitamin C in Lecithin can increase the
>> effectiveness up to 500 times, similar to intravenous. Did I read that
>> correctly?
>>
>> If so, then using the recipe of 1 Tbs of Ascorbic Acid would be 12,000mg,
>> and this is dissolved in 4 ounces of distilled water and added to 3 Tbs of
>> lecithin dissolved in 8 ounces of water. In other words, a total of 12
>> ounces. Therefore you would have 12,000mg of Vitamin C in 12 ounces of
>> water, or 1000mg in one ounce of water. So, if I took one ounce of LET C I
>> would be taking the equivalent of 1000mg times 500, or 500,000mg of Vitamin
>> C. Is this correct? Of course, I am assuming 100% encapsulation, which is
>> probably not possible with our system using an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner.
>>
>> But even if we got 70% encapsulation that should give us the equivalent of
>> 350,000mg Vit C in one ounce of LET C. That would be the same as 700 pills.
>>
>> Please correct my math if I am wrong.
>>
>> Dick
>>
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Re: CS>LET C

[David AuBuchon]

Dr. Levy says 4 to 6 grams of lipo-C is equivalent in effectiveness to 50
grams IV C.  He also stated lipo-C is ten times as effective at resolviing
infections as IV C.  What exactly these two statements mean even still need
some minor clarifications.

I think Brooks stated somewhere between 50% and 80% encapsulation.  And
liposomes on the order of 150 nanometers I think.  I don't think 500 has any
meaning.

~David

On Sun, Nov 7, 2010 at 12:21 PM, Dick Rochon  wrote:

>
> Hi, Brooks, or anyone who can answer.
>
> I have read that encapsulating Vitamin C in Lecithin can increase the
> effectiveness up to 500 times, similar to intravenous. Did I read that
> correctly?
>
> If so, then using the recipe of 1 Tbs of Ascorbic Acid would be 12,000mg,
> and this is dissolved in 4 ounces of distilled water and added to 3 Tbs of
> lecithin dissolved in 8 ounces of water. In other words, a total of 12
> ounces. Therefore you would have 12,000mg of Vitamin C in 12 ounces of
> water, or 1000mg in one ounce of water. So, if I took one ounce of LET C I
> would be taking the equivalent of 1000mg times 500, or 500,000mg of Vitamin
> C. Is this correct? Of course, I am assuming 100% encapsulation, which is
> probably not possible with our system using an ultrasonic jewelry cleaner.
>
> But even if we got 70% encapsulation that should give us the equivalent of
> 350,000mg Vit C in one ounce of LET C. That would be the same as 700 pills.
>
> Please correct my math if I am wrong.
>
> Dick
>

Re: CS>LET C, etc.

[David AuBuchon]

Wikipedia says liposomes selectively target cancer.  If true, LET bicarb,
LET C, and LET any of 100 other things may be great cancer therapies:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liposome

"Another interesting property of liposomes are their natural ability to
target cancer <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cancer>. The
endothelial<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Endothelial>wall of all
healthy human blood
vessels <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood_vessel> is encapsulated by
endothelial cells that are bound together by tight
junctions<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tight_junction>.
These tight junctions stop any large particles in the
blood<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blood>from leaking out of the
vessel.
Tumour <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tumour> vessels do not contain the same
level of seal between cells and are diagnostically *leaky*. This ability is
known as the Enhanced Permeability and Retention
effect<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_Permeability_and_Retention_effect>.
Liposomes of certain sizes, typically less than 200 nm, can rapidly enter
tumour sites from the blood, but are kept in the bloodstream by the
endothelial wall in healthy
tissue<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Biological_tissue>
vasculature <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasculature>. Anti-cancer drugs
such as Doxorubicin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doxorubicin> (Doxil),
Camptothecin <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Camptothecin> and
Daunorubicin<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daunorubicin>(Daunoxome) are
currently being marketed in liposome delivery systems."

~David

On Tue, Oct 26, 2010 at 1:28 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:

> That's actually an interesting idea.  I don't know if vit C and bicarb are
> a "double whammy" or maybe it is just the opposite (the alkalizing benefit
> of bicarb gets cancelled out?).  Anyway, liposomal bicarb by itself sounds
> like it might work against cancer.  Oral bicarb by itself has some cases of
> cancer cures.  But usually the bicarb succes stories are not administered
> orally but in other ways.  The stomach acid may be one reason why this is
> so.
>
> A little off topic, I was googling and see lots of references to liposomal
> antibiotics.  Basically, they say it makes them safer and more effective.  I
> may try some very low dose experiments with the antibiotics that are not
> doing anything for me as of now.
>
> Is there anyway liposomes can be used on any silver product?  This to me
> would be the most interesting use.  Any way it can be used with EIS?
>
> ~David
>
>
>
>
> On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:
>
>> But if you make Vit C (LET) with sodium ascorbate, wouldn't that give any
>> cancers a double whammy?  dee
>>
>> On 23 Oct 2010, at 22:40, Dick Rochon wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > <> the cancerous organs, I am wondering if encapsulating it in lecithin like we
>> do with vitamin C, to bypass the stomach acid and go directly into the small
>> intestine where it goes into the blood to the organs, would be successful in
>> treating cancer.
>> >
>> > I have read that we all have cancer cells, but that our immune system
>> holds it in check (unless we suffer a trauma that needs the immune system's
>> attention) when the cancer can form a tumor and grow. As far as I know I am
>> not harboring cancer, but I think it might be wise to assist the immune
>> system by taking LET Soda. Just in case.>>
>> >
>> > Any thoughts?
>> >
>> > Dick
>> >
>>
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Re: CS>LET C, etc.

[David AuBuchon]

That's actually an interesting idea.  I don't know if vit C and bicarb are a
"double whammy" or maybe it is just the opposite (the alkalizing benefit of
bicarb gets cancelled out?).  Anyway, liposomal bicarb by itself sounds like
it might work against cancer.  Oral bicarb by itself has some cases of
cancer cures.  But usually the bicarb succes stories are not administered
orally but in other ways.  The stomach acid may be one reason why this is
so.

A little off topic, I was googling and see lots of references to liposomal
antibiotics.  Basically, they say it makes them safer and more effective.  I
may try some very low dose experiments with the antibiotics that are not
doing anything for me as of now.

Is there anyway liposomes can be used on any silver product?  This to me
would be the most interesting use.  Any way it can be used with EIS?

~David



On Sun, Oct 24, 2010 at 5:52 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> But if you make Vit C (LET) with sodium ascorbate, wouldn't that give any
> cancers a double whammy?  dee
>
> On 23 Oct 2010, at 22:40, Dick Rochon wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >
> > < the cancerous organs, I am wondering if encapsulating it in lecithin like we
> do with vitamin C, to bypass the stomach acid and go directly into the small
> intestine where it goes into the blood to the organs, would be successful in
> treating cancer.
> >
> > I have read that we all have cancer cells, but that our immune system
> holds it in check (unless we suffer a trauma that needs the immune system's
> attention) when the cancer can form a tumor and grow. As far as I know I am
> not harboring cancer, but I think it might be wise to assist the immune
> system by taking LET Soda. Just in case.>>
> >
> > Any thoughts?
> >
> > Dick
> >
>
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Re: CS>Has anyone researched the best quality/value/price of Serraptase?

[David AuBuchon]

best price is probably Doctor's Best.  However my lyme nutritionist
recently told me (don't know why) that doctor's best scares the hell
out of her.

~David

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> If so, will you share you findings?
>
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Re: CS>How can colloidal silver be made isotonic/hypertonic?

[David AuBuchon]

Sending this email once again.  I think emails were not going out
properly for a few days:

And in addition, is there such a thing as lipo encapsulating CS?

Thanks,
~David

On Tue, Oct 19, 2010 at 3:20 PM, David AuBuchon
 wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> 1. When someone says a solution is say for example "hypotonic", does
> that refer to the TOTAL concentration of solutes as compared to
> cytosol (the fluid in cells)?  Or is something
> hypertonic/hypotonic/isotonic with respect to each individual type of
> solute?  I am guessing it refers to the TOTAL, right?
>
> 2.  Is CS hypotonic?
>
> Some have said that adding electrolytes to CS changes the tonicity and
> improves absorption because of this, and that this may explain (at
> least in part) why some people feel CS plus electrolytes is more
> effective than CS alone.  I also experienced this the one time I tried
> it.
>
> 3.  I was curious if anyone knows a way to make CS isotonic or
> hypertonic using a substance that DOES NOT potentially react with the
> silver.  Electrolytes would be ruled out because of this.  I found one
> person who did IV argentyn and for every 24 cc's of argentyn, they
> were adding 1 cc of "mannitol 20,000".  He worked up to doses around
> 1000cc's of argentyn.  I found another doc who said he added sorbitol
> when giving IV.  I guess mannitol and sorbitol are options?
>
> 4.  What does "mannitol 20,000" mean?
>
> FYI, the wikipedia page for mannitol says that inhaling mannitol has
> an effect in clearing up mucus in lungs by bringing water to the area
> due to a difference in osmotic pressure.  That's cool.
>
> Thanks,
> ~David


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

I just realized that the electrolytes also say this:

Other ingredients: Deionized water, bicarbonate, sulfur.

~David

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 2:00 PM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>  I will have to experiment, but I think that added to EIS will produce
> silver sulfate. which is highly soluble. I think I have some H2SO4 around
> for me to test with.
>
> Marshall
>
> On 10/8/2010 3:58 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> It has the following in 1 tablespoon
>> phosphorus (as potassium phosphate) 147 mg
>> magnesium (as magnesium chloride, magnesium sulfate) 8mg
>> chloride (as magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium chloride)
>> 135mg
>> sodium (as sodium bicarbonate, sodium chloride) 69mg
>> potassium (as potassium bicarbonate, potassium chloride, potassium
>> phosphate) 232 mg
>>
>> ~David


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CS>How can colloidal silver be made isotonic/hypertonic?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi All,

1. When someone says a solution is say for example "hypotonic", does
that refer to the TOTAL concentration of solutes as compared to
cytosol (the fluid in cells)?  Or is something
hypertonic/hypotonic/isotonic with respect to each individual type of
solute?  I am guessing it refers to the TOTAL, right?

2.  Is CS hypotonic?

Some have said that adding electrolytes to CS changes the tonicity and
improves absorption because of this, and that this may explain (at
least in part) why some people feel CS plus electrolytes is more
effective than CS alone.  I also experienced this the one time I tried
it.

3.  I was curious if anyone knows a way to make CS isotonic or
hypertonic using a substance that DOES NOT potentially react with the
silver.  Electrolytes would be ruled out because of this.  I found one
person who did IV argentyn and for every 24 cc's of argentyn, they
were adding 1 cc of "mannitol 20,000".  He worked up to doses around
1000cc's of argentyn.  I found another doc who said he added sorbitol
when giving IV.  I guess mannitol and sorbitol are options?

4.  What does "mannitol 20,000" mean?

FYI, the wikipedia page for mannitol says that inhaling mannitol has
an effect in clearing up mucus in lungs by bringing water to the area
due to a difference in osmotic pressure.  That's cool.

Thanks,
~David


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

It has the following in 1 tablespoon
phosphorus (as potassium phosphate) 147 mg
magnesium (as magnesium chloride, magnesium sulfate) 8mg
chloride (as magnesium chloride, potassium chloride, sodium chloride) 135mg
sodium (as sodium bicarbonate, sodium chloride) 69mg
potassium (as potassium bicarbonate, potassium chloride, potassium
phosphate) 232 mg

~David



On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 12:37 PM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>  On 10/8/2010 2:22 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
>> electrolyte concentrate ("peltier electrolytes").  It seems it does
>> increase the effectiveness as reported by others.
>
> What does it have in it. Does it have citric acid?
>>
>> Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
>> more concern for argyria?
>
> Maybe. I would avoid the sun for a couple of hours after taking it.
>
> Marshall
>>
>> ~David
>>
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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Also interesting, I just got herx from 8 oz CS + 1 tsp of an
electrolyte concentrate ("peltier electrolytes").  It seems it does
increase the effectiveness as reported by others.

Question: Do electrolytes affect the CS in such a way that there is
more concern for argyria?

~David

On Fri, Oct 8, 2010 at 8:07 AM, Marshall Dudley  wrote:
>  On 10/7/2010 6:37 PM, David AuBuchon wrote:
>>
>> Regarding making silver citrate:
>>
>> I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
>> barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.
>
> That will only give you a silver citrate concentration of about 20 ppm or so
> max.
>>
>> I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
>> treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
>> of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
>> PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
>> hundreds of PPM at most.
>
> I would definitely stay out of the sun with higher ppm silver citrate.
>>
>> Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
>> daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
>> is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
>> besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
>> in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
>> I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
>> (1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
>> started brewing today.
>
> Silver citrate has a solubility of .28 g/l, or 280 ppm in cold water. This
> works out to be 58 ppm of silver, or about 2 1/2 time what one can get
> without the citrate. Much much higher in hot water. You will need
> approximately 0.007 ounces of citric acid for that to be balanced for a
> saturated quantity of silver citrate in 32 ounces of water.
>
> Marshall
>>
>> ~David
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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Regarding making silver citrate:

I recently tried adding citric acid to finished EIS and 8 oz gave me a
barely noticeable herx.  Regular EIS currently does not do so.

I must say I want to try a higher PPM experiment.  I have had 5 IV
treatments with silver protein that could have been in the thousands
of PPM for all I know.  No argyria yet...  I am willing to try higher
PPM silver citrate which I am gathering would be on the order of
hundreds of PPM at most.

Steve and others: May I ask when you brew your own silver citrate, how
daring have you been in the amount you have ingested over time?  Also,
is there anyway to guesstimate if a batch is nearing saturation
besides observing stuff plating onto the cathode or observing a drop
in current?  I have a battery powered generator that runs on 2 AA's.
I have no clue how long it would take.  I added 3 tsp of citric acid
(1/16th of a cup) to a quart of distilled water and shook it up and
started brewing today.

~David


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CS>question on ozone

[David AuBuchon]

Is ozone similar to CS at all?  People argue that silver ions couldn't
survive long in the blood because they would react with chloride.
Would people make similar arguments that free radicals created by
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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Thanks for those replies.  Good catch with the 13,000PPM.  That's the
lyme brain fog talking.  I wonder if anyone can report having better
or different results taking such a silver citrate solution orally,
versus regular EIS?

Thanks,
~David


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>
> ** [I do not think that the citric acid will significantly react with silver 
> particles. The citric acid will be a very weak acid solution.]
>
>>
> **[I will probably not get this exactly right. This is more in Marshall's and 
> Ode's realm of knowledge. Silver citrate has a solubility of around 185 ppm 
> in water. While in solution, silver ions can disassociate from the citrate 
> and become free ions. At some point the silver will re-associate with the 
> citrate, again becoming silver citrate. This association/disassociation will 
> continue as long as the silver citrate is in solution. Silver citrate is 
> effective for at least 2 reasons. First, silver citrate readily transitions 
> between association and disassociation. Some silver complexes do not and they 
> do not have as high an antimicrobial capability. The second reason that the 
> relatively good solubility of silver citrate provides for more free silver 
> ions to be available.]

>
> **[Silver has a higher reactivity with citrate than it has with chloride. 
> This means that the silver citrate will not complex with the chloride in salt 
> or stomach acid as long as there is sufficient citric acid/citrate available. 
> This is why I recommended the conversion to silver citrate - to prevent the 
> silver ions from forming less desirable complexes.]
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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

This alkalizing mechanism of the body in my understanding is meant to
protect the body FROM the cancer , and NOT to fight the cancer.
Unfortunately, I believe this mechanism accidentally helps the cancer.

Here is an article on cesium therapy for cancer, which is another
alkalizing treatment.:
http://www.newswithviews.com/Howenstine/james14.htm

It clearly works well.  In this case, there are arguments given why
cesium goes right into cancer cells and really raises up their pH
locally.  So this for example I would not consider a counterproductive
alkalizing therapy.  In fact, this is probably one of the best stand
alone therapies there are.

~David

On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 12:43 AM, Ode Coyote  wrote:
>
>
>  I think what is says is that the body goes alkaline naturally to fight off
> the cancer, but runs out of steam and quits...letting the lactic acid take
> over.
>
> Ode
>
>
> At 12:09 PM 9/28/2010 +0100, you wrote:
>>
>> I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee
>>
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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Steve (and all),

Thanks for this info.  I read a detailed post you made a while back
also about making SC.  I'll say that it is more appealing to me to add
citric acid to finished EIS (rather than brewing with citric acid)
because it provides a limit on the PPM on the silver that I would be
afraid to go way to high otherwise.  Several questions come to mind:

1.  With this method, do you think the particle portion of the EIS
will remain unaffected and help prevent against argyria?

About the pubmed study, here are two quotes about the solubility of
silver citrate disassociating into ions:

"In concentrated solutions, containing more than 13 g/L of Ag(I) ion,
the crystallization was observed."

"The maximum concentration of Ag(I) in the solution that can be
achieved is estimated at about 23 g/L to 25 g/L if the concentration
of citric acid is at least 4 mol/L or higher." (FYI 4 mol/L is about
800grams of citric acid)

2.  They say more than 13PPM causes crystals.  I hear about much much
higher PPM of silver citrate products.  Are those products not
solutions?  Are they just particles just swishing around in the water?

3.  I read in old posts by frank key that the net charge in EIS has to
be zero and that the cations need to balance the anions.  Is this
statement pertaining to a certain context that I didn't catch, or is
this a general rule?  If citric acid is an anion, and it is added,
will other anions have to somehow leave the solution to maintain zero
net charge?

4. This article gives me the impression that adding citric acid will
just leave the silver as ions and the citric acid as anions.  How will
this change anything about what happens when it is ingested (getting
back to my original task of trying to spike water with CS when there
is other stuff in the water already)

Thanks,
~David

>
> From: Norton, Steve
>
> Probably less than you can measure. E.g. 1 liter of 15 ppm CS would contain 
> 15 mg of silver. Silver citrate contains 3 silver atoms for each citric acid 
> molecule and the molecular weight of citric acid is approximately twice that 
> of a silver atom. If you have a perfect complexing you would need roughly 10 
> mg of citric acid to convert the 1 liter of 15 ppm CS to silver citrate. 10 
> mg is hard to measure. So I would just add a pinch or more of citric acid and 
> mix. Extra citric acid does no harm. Any old citric acid will do.
>
> Citric acid has is very antimicrobial. See:
>
> http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2590638/
>
> http://microbecide.com/index.php?main_page=microbecide
>
> -   Steve N
>
> From: David AuBuchon [mailto:aubuchon.da...@gmail.com]
>
> Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume of CS?  
> Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just google shop for 
> any old citric acid?


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Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Steve,

Do you have any guidelines for how much citric acid to mix per volume of
CS?  Do you think silver citrate is still effective?  Would I just google
shop for any old citric acid?

Thanks,
~David

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Norton, Steve wrote:

>  Personally,  would mix the EIS with citric acid or a citrus juice to
> convert it to silver citrate before combining with the others.
>
>
>
> -  Steve N
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Hi Dee,

What I have read and been told by a doc says that tumors are locally acidic
due to lactic acid.  In order to protect the rest of the body, the body
makes everything else alkaline.  It is not the the whole body is acidic or
alkaline.  There is a distribution of different pH's.

~David


On Tue, Sep 28, 2010 at 4:09 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick wrote:

> I know I'm dense, but isn't this a contradiction?  dee
>
>
> On 27 Sep 2010, at 22:21, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
> > <<  I have read some articles and studies by alternative cancer doctors
> that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES cancer metabolsim and that
> ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The
> whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has value, but has been vastly
> oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that cancer patients develop blood
> that is more alkaline than others naturally.  The body uses its alkaline
> reserves to protect against lactic acid production by tumors.  When these
> alkaline reserves run out, the whole body rapidly becomes acidic and death
> is immament.>>
> >
> >
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

Ya, that I can understand.  I am speaking of bicarb by itself.

An interesting aside: some docs use IV insulin to target things to cancer
cells, which has a better effect than IV glucose, and does not feed the
cancer metabolism.

Anyway, back to the original question: will CS loose its usefulness if mixed
with any of the following?:

bicarb, sea salt, electrolytes, vitamin C?

On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 5:01 PM, Smitty  wrote:

> I believe you missed the part where molasses is used with the soda =
>
> according to Mark Sircus, Ac., OMD, Director of the International Medical
> Veritas Association, "Dr. Simoncini routinely administers glucose with his
> IV treatments and this is the best indication for the use of either honey,
> maple syrup** or black strap molasses** especially for late stage cancer
> patients whose cells are starving."
>
>
>
> He takes minimal baking soda orally.  Maybe only 3 tsp a day.  The doc said
>> he should take 8, but he won't.  I don't believe oral bicarb alone has
>> enough evidence to support its effectiveness.  So far, all the cases I have
>> read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer.
>> Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer
>> reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc.  The
>> patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks.  If you can get
>> pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer.  Cancer is
>> certainly not just a fungus though.  There are many factors.  Fungus and
>> infections is one of them.  I have read some articles and studies by
>> alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES
>> cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV
>> Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has
>> value, but has been vastly oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that
>> cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally.
>> The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid
>> production by tumors.  When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body
>> rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament.
>>
>> Any rate, sorry that was off topic!
>>
>> ~David
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty  wrote:
>>
>>> If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his
>>> cancer treatment with this =
>>>
>>> http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html
>>>
>>>
>>> I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer,
>>>> and want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking
>>>> water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  
>>>> Will
>>>> the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks,
>>>> ~David
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

He takes minimal baking soda orally.  Maybe only 3 tsp a day.  The doc said
he should take 8, but he won't.  I don't believe oral bicarb alone has
enough evidence to support its effectiveness.  So far, all the cases I have
read of bicarb success have had a way of targeting bicarcb to the cancer.
Such as stomach cancer being directly reached by oral route, lung cancer
reached by nebulizer, tumor injected directly, bicarb given IV, etc.  The
patient also gets IV bicarb + DMSO but only once in 3 weeks.  If you can get
pH really high at the cancer site, I can believe it kills cancer.  Cancer is
certainly not just a fungus though.  There are many factors.  Fungus and
infections is one of them.  I have read some articles and studies by
alternative cancer doctors that show that whole body alkaline pH INCREASES
cancer metabolsim and that ACIDIFYING therapies such as IV HCL and IV
Vitamin C reverse cancer.  The whole concept of alkalizing for cancer has
value, but has been vastly oversimplified.  In fact, it was shown that
cancer patients develop blood that is more alkaline than others naturally.
The body uses its alkaline reserves to protect against lactic acid
production by tumors.  When these alkaline reserves run out, the whole body
rapidly becomes acidic and death is immament.

Any rate, sorry that was off topic!

~David



On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 1:02 PM, Smitty  wrote:

> If your friend is willing, you should tell him about his
> cancer treatment with this =
>
> http://www.healingcancernaturally.com/sodium-bicarbonate-treatment.html
>
>
> I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and
>> want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking
>> water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  Will
>> the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> ~David
>>
>
>

CS>Will CS interact with any of these?

[David AuBuchon]

I am constantly refining the natural treatment of a friend with cancer, and
want to spike his drinking water with CS.  The problem is, his drinking
water is already spiked with sea salt, baking soda, and samento drops.  Will
the CS be ineffective if added to the same water as this stuff?

Thanks,
~David

CS>Colloidal Silver Presentation

[David AuBuchon]

This is an interesting powerpoint presentation and with a good bit of
citations.  There is some info that I am sure many would not agree.

http://roth-communications.com/MP3/SanJose1640/1640-0970-GS04a.pdf

Re: CS>CS and killing of pathogens

[David AuBuchon]

>
> Hey Steve,
>

I had been wondering that.  It seemed strange to me that it was
automatically assumed that particles could get by the stomach acid
untouched, as if it was self evident.   If you have any info on that, I
would like to have it.

Thanks,
~David

>
>
> You have probably read the claim by some suppliers of particle based CS
> that ionic silver is not effective and that only silver particles are
> active. And that the effectiveness of particle silver is dependent on the
> total surface area if the silver particles. It turns out that nothing is
> further from the truth. A fairly recent study has shown that stomach acid is
> highly reactive with silver nanoparticles and converts the silver
> nanoparticles the same as it does ionic silver.  If the silver particles are
> large enough some of the particle may escape conversion but the same would
> be true of the silver particles in CS generated by electrolysis.
>
>
>
> -  Steve N
>

CS>Electrolysis questions

[David AuBuchon]

Some questions about electrolysis if people can comment:

1.  Some say H+ ions are coming off of the anode.  If so, where do
they come from?  And in the case it comes from a water molecule, where
does the leftover OH- go?

2.  During the initial stages, when silver cations are coming off the
anode, if they exceed solubility locally (before many anions have had
enough time to reach the anode), do these ions form metallic
particles?  If so, how is it that ions (mutually repulsive) can get
together like that?  Is it really like a collision just overpowering
that resistance?

3.  They say particles have a zeta potential (which is the case of CS
is negative).  I suppose particles are said to be "in suspension"?  In
solution, there are many silver ions with positive charge.  Are these
negatively charged particles and positively charged ions mutually
attracted?  Or are things "in suspension" in a different universe than
things "in solution"?

4.  At the cathode, one electron reacts with one water molecule to
form (H + OH-).  Then the H becomes H2 and escapes, right?

5.  The gray colored sludge on the cathode is metallic silver plating
out, right?  Why does so little silver appear to occupy so much
volume?  Is the sludge full of air bubbles, making it look like a lot?

6.  When there is excess silver hydroxide, why does silverhydroxide
want to convert to silveroxide?  Wouldn't it want to agglomerate into
particles?  Or is it a combination of both?  What chemically happens
to make silver hydroxide become silver oxide?

7.  So ultimately, there is some metallic silver particles, silver
ions (as either silverhydroxide or silveroxide), and silver
"particles" of silver hydroxide or silver oxide?  And I suppose there
are "inter-racial" particles, right?  Like a particle that could have
some metallic silver, silverhydroxide, as well as silveroxide?  Are
there actually any silver ions left just by themselves?

8.  I think Marshall said the black char on the anode is silveroxide.
Was it originally silverhyroxide that turned to silveroxide?

Thanks,
~David


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Re: Re: Re: CS>help needed

[David AuBuchon]

Two things come to mind for skin cancer:

1. Neem oil
2.  A product by a guy named Greg Caton.  FDA told him to stop selling.  He
fled the country and started selling it in I think Ecuador.  The FDA
forcefully abducted him and brought him to court in the US just a few months
ago.  Technically the only crime he had committed was violating probation.
I think you can still buy it though.

On Thu, Sep 9, 2010 at 12:27 PM, Acmeair  wrote:

> i should have added that you google both names and you will find many posts
> on salves. one warning,  there will be dire threats by the FDA about the
> dangers,   and also a group of idiots called " quackwatch" who are after any
> non-drug treatments.  just ask some questions before you jump too deep.
> jim+
>
>
>
> Sep 9, 2010 11:38:42 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
>
> Cansema is one,Can-x is another.   i've used cansema on a friend who is
> of norwegian extraction.  was very
> successful.jim
>
>
> Sep 9, 2010 10:16:15 AM, silver-list@eskimo.com wrote:
>
> 
> I would retitle this thread so that it shows a request for skin cancer
> creams or you can search the archives.  I don't know the names of the
> creams.  I have not used them, only read about them.
>
> About making your mind your ally write me back channel and I will give you
> some websites.
> PT
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Rusty
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:53 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>help needed
>
> I live in Ontario, Canada.
>
> For years I would deal with doctors but after losing three family members
> to what I feel was errors by doctors, I have been trying to deal with things
> naturally.  The people I know think I am nuts not getting medications, etc.
>
> Since dealing with things in a more natural way it is difficult because I
> don't have a support system or those with knowledge.   I've tried some
> naturalpaths but they created more problems for me.
>
> Can you make some suggestions or give me names of some of these creams?
>
> I want my mind to be an ally but I have to admit, I'm scared.  What
> suggestions can you make to help me to get to that place to have an ally.
>
>
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* needling around
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, September 09, 2010 12:37 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>help needed
>
> Where do you live?  If in the southwest you are lucky as they are used to
> dealing with skin cancers.  Also there are a number of cancer salves that
> deal with this that are supposed to be very helpful.  Others may know of
> names and have experiences.
>
> Remember you mind can be your ally or your enemy.  Please use it as an
> ally.
> PT
>
>
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Re: CS>A perplexing Problem....

[David AuBuchon]

my nutritionist just told me when I asked about Dr.'s Best versus
Nutricology selling a product called "fibroboost".  She said "doctor's best
scares the hell out of me".  I have no clue why.

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 7:36 PM, h.godavari  wrote:

>  I was curious about the pricing since each one had different number of
> caps per bottle or enzyme units per cap. From their quoted prices I
> calculated cost per 10,000 units. Here is how they compare:
>
> Drs Best270 caps@ $ 34.59   40.000 Units/cap 10,000
> units @  $ 0.032
>
> http://www.iherb.com/Doctor-s-Best-Best-Serrapeptase-90-Veggie-Caps/4467?at=1
>
> Puritan   180 caps@ $ 59.97   90,000 units/cap  10,000
> units @  $ 0.037 (sale 3 for 1)
> http://www.puritan.com/digestive-health-047/serrapeptase-enzyme-9-iu-017605?searchterm=serrapeptase&rdcnt=1&page=1&sortOrder=2
>
> Goodhealth  90 caps@ $  29.99  80,000 units/cap  10,000
> units  @ $ 0.041
>   360 caps@ $ 89.97   80,000 units/cap
> 10,000 units @ $ 0.031 (4 for 3)
> 60 caps@ $ 19.95   40,000 units/cap
> 10,000 units @ $0.083
>  240 caps@ $ 59.8540,000  units/cap
> 10,000 units @ $ 0.62   (4 for 3)
> http://www.goodhealthusa.com/index.php?p=product&id=76
>
> Regards
> hg
>
>
> MaryAnn Helland wrote:
>
>  Chuck -- (slapping hand on forehead) -- you're absolutely right!  Not
> only that -- their offers right now are Buy 1, Get 2 Free OR Buy 2, Get 4
> Free -- which I had to think about for a minute because the price for the
> latter is exactly twice the price for the former -- sixty bux for three
> bottles or one hundred twenty bux for six bottles.  So why spend the big bux
> when three bottles is a six month supply (at one capsule per day) -- and the
> chances are that the deal will come around again!  Ya gotta be on your toes
> every freekin' minute, doncha?  LOL
> MA
>
>  --
> *From:* "cking...@nycap.rr.com" 
> cking...@nycap.rr.com
>
> Rethink what you just posted...
>
> Pay for 2 get 5 total is not better than pay for 2 get 6 total.
>
> BTW, their offer changes during the year.
>
>
> On 9/8/2010 11:36:17 AM, MaryAnn Helland (marmar...@bellsouth.net)
> wrote:
> > Do they not offer the by 2, get 3 free?
> > That's the way that I buy it -- much less expensive that way.
> > MA
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > From: jaxi 
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 10:30:33 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>A perplexing Problem
> >
> > They still carry it. I found it in their online catelog. They are
> offering their buy 1 get 2 free (or 3 bottles for the price of 1) right now.
> Even so, this is an expensive supplement, but I was considering getting some
> to try myself.
> >
> > Jaxi
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 10:22 AM, MaryAnn Helland <
> marmar...@bellsouth.net [link: mailto:marmar...@bellsouth.net]> wrote:
> > I bought ours at Puritan's
> > Pride. Just checked their catalog and
> > it's not listed there -- try their website!
> > MA
> >
> >
> >
> > -
> > From: h.godavari mailto:h.godav...@shaw.ca]>
> > To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> > Sent: Wed, September 8, 2010 9:26:26 AM
> > Subject: Re: CS>A perplexing Problem
> >
> > Could you share the info regarding (good) source and the price of
> serrapeptase? Thank you.
> >
> > regards
>
>
> -
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>Does the cathode need to be silver?

[David AuBuchon]

Correct me if I am wrong, but absolutely NOTHING physically comes off of the
negative terminal during production, right?  The only thing that comes off
would be electrons reacting with water molecules or incoming silver ions or
a few amount of contaminant cations.  I'm wondering if the ideal gen has a
lot of surface area on cathode also.  If so, copper would be preferable so
you don't pay for all that extra silver.

Hey, could that also make a gen that doubles as a colloidal copper setup?
What do people use colloidal copper for anyway?

~David

On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 6:01 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> The cathode (in this case the negative terminal) can be copper if you
> are not polarity switching.
>
> The anode (in this case the positive terminal) must be silver.
>
> You can see I don't agree with cking, as usual...
>
> Dan
>
>
>
> On Wed, Sep 8, 2010 at 5:28 PM, David AuBuchon 
> wrote:
> > Is there any reason everyone uses silver for the cathode?  I can
> understand
> > if people were reversing the polarity.  But when things only go one way,
> > does it matter what the cathode is made of?  Could it just be copper
> wire?
> >
> > Also, isn't the surface area of the cathode important.  With the anode,
> more
> > surface area reduces the density of a layer of silver ions coming off,
> > combining with hydroxide ions.  At the cathode end, isn't there a dense
> > layer of hydroxide combining with incoming silver ions?
> >
> > Thanks,
> > ~David
> >
>
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CS>Does the cathode need to be silver?

[David AuBuchon]

Is there any reason everyone uses silver for the cathode?  I can understand
if people were reversing the polarity.  But when things only go one way,
does it matter what the cathode is made of?  Could it just be copper wire?

Also, isn't the surface area of the cathode important.  With the anode, more
surface area reduces the density of a layer of silver ions coming off,
combining with hydroxide ions.  At the cathode end, isn't there a dense
layer of hydroxide combining with incoming silver ions?

Thanks,
~David

Re: CS>A perplexing Problem....

[David AuBuchon]

3 more supps I would add to serrapeptase for cholesterol:

-Fibroboost (nutricology brand):
-Delta fraction tocotrienols (nutricology)
-Advanced cholesterol formula (you have to navigate to it through the site
of the company "Advanced Bionutritionals")

All three have ingredients studied to help cholesterol.

~David



On Tue, Sep 7, 2010 at 3:46 PM, Hanneke  wrote:

> Marshall,
>
> what kind of a dose would you suggest in a case like this with roughly 4
> weeks to spare til the surgery?
>
>
> At 12:58 AM 8/09/2010, you wrote:
>
>> If it is for bypass surgery, immediately get him on some serrapeptase
>> IMMEDIATELY.  I think that if he can take it for a month, they will likely
>> cancel the surgery. Everyone I know who has done this has been able to do
>> that. The biggest problem is if the blockage is so great the serrapeptase is
>> unable to get into the vessel to dissolve the cholesterol deposits quick
>> enough for  your schedule.  If you can clear them out before the surgery
>> that will save you a procedure that  be deadly and tens of thousands of
>> dollars as well.
>>
>> Marshall
>>
>> MaryAnn Helland wrote:
>>
>>> Omigod -- what happens to patients after open-heart surgery?  My husband
>>> is scheduled for it on October 5th.
>>> MA
>>>
>>
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CS>CS contraindications and IV silver update

[David AuBuchon]

I am starting a whole bunch of new supplements and medicines and am curious
if CS interacts with them.  I think I remember hearing something about
vitamin C reacting with CS?

starting: minerals, amino acids, vitamins, herbs, so on...

Update: I had my fourth IV silver treatment on Thursday.  Just like the
first time, I also got a fever / flu herx reaction.  The first time the
fever peaked by 24 hours at 102.4.  This time it peaked within just five
hours at 103.4!  Both times were the same dose (15 cc's).  This time I did
not actually feel as bad (and I recovered quicker) with the herx as the
first time.  May be a good indication.

I can even feel the herx working on my lungs.  I had tried nebulized CS as
well as nebulized peroxide just for a day and no herx.  Granted, it was a
cheap nebulizer, and only one day.

The 2nd and 3rd time I had an "ordinary" 24 hour herx: more tired,
depressed, foggy.

The thing is, the silver I used on the 1st and 4th time was from the same
batch!  Other patients also had a stronger reaction to this batch also.  In
general other lyme patients have a couple good days after the fever, and
then lyme symptoms start creeping in again.

Okay, this is where I know I'm gonna get warned to stay away.. wherever my
doc gets it, the batches obviously differ in quality.  I thought he told me
it was silver nitrate in 5-10nm particles.  His ND colleague told me it was
protein-bound silver and they were sending samples to some researcher to
assess the particle size under a microscope.  I trust my doc and know he
must have seen enough other docs do this safely for long enough before ever
trying it on his own patients.  But there is much I need to ask him about
this silver.  I could clearly see "wisps" in a bottle that had been sitting
around for example.  Not sure of type of silver, PPM, or particle size.

~David

RE: CS>A perplexing Problem....

[David Bearrow]

It sounds like withdrawal symptoms. The doctors may be assumming due to her
age that she went through menopause and was producing no estrogen. However
an ovarian cyst could excrete large amounts of estrogen and or progesterone.
It may be that she got used to this high level of estrogen and now that they
removed its source she is experiancing withdrawal from it. It wouldn't hurt
to give her some over the counter estrogen from natural sources. Any health
food store sells many different brands of estrogen supplements. If it helps
her then we have pinpointed the problem and you could continue to give it to
her and gradually ween her off over time. The herb black cohosh might make
her feel better also. 

David

-Original Message-
From: craehow...@juno.com [mailto:craehow...@juno.com] 
Sent: Friday, September 03, 2010 7:56 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>A perplexing Problem

A energetic never sick extremely active woman of 68 years recently underwent
a complete hysterectomy; within two weeks of surgery she is now depressed
has no appetite and has extreme shakes   she has never had any
surgery's' before and it was her first time ever in a hospital.   Her
doctors are at a loss   she keeps losing weight; her life is slowly
seeping away.

Has anyone heard of anything like this?   I believe the surgery was prompted
because of a sys or tumor on her ovaries.  

Appreciate any input.

thanks

connie




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Re: CS> OT: David Aubuchon:alldaychemist.com

[David AuBuchon]

OH, its grapefruit seed extract.  Some lyme docs say it kills cyst form of
Lyme.  As far as I know that is what Alinia is for.  So just a possible
option.

~David

On Fri, Sep 3, 2010 at 3:59 PM, jenny goodhealth <
jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com> wrote:

> Thanks, David,
>
> Given the fact that alldaychemists.com is *located in India* and the fact
> that they *don't require any prescriptions* for the medications
> which  normally need prescriptons in the U.S. makes me concerned?  I am
> concerned about the safety of taking their medications?  Also, what is *
> GSE*?  Please advise.  Thanks a lot.
>
> jen  -
>
> --- On *Wed, 9/1/10, David AuBuchon * wrote:
>
>
> From: David AuBuchon 
> Subject: Re: CS> OT: alldaychemist.com
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
> Date: Wednesday, September 1, 2010, 8:17 PM
>
> Someone I know got a few things from there to try out for lyme also.  He
> had no problems.  As long as it is not a drug that you can recreationally
> abuse, I think there is less risk of having problems.  They ask for doctor's
> info.  But...it seems to be "optional".
>
> I never heard of albenza.  I took alinia.  In fact I think I have some.  I
> took it for intestinal protozoal parasites.  Had some burning sensations in
> the gut herx for a few days.  Then nothing.  No overall symptom
> improvement.  I did have to work up to the dosage though because of the body
> getting used to nausea from it.  I took 3 a day for 3 weeks.
>
> Alinia I understand may be effective against babesia as well as cyst Lyme.
> I do not hear of it as being a common treatment for either though.  You may
> want to look into other cyst busters.  GSE is the only one that comes to my
> head right now, but I feel like I have seen a list of them somewhere.
>
> ~David
>
>
>jenny goodhealth 
> http://us.mc1201.mail.yahoo.com/mc/compose?to=jenny_goodheal...@yahoo.com>
> > wrote:
>
>   Has anyone tried alldaychemist.com to purchase medications?  I am
> considering buying generic alinia & generic albenza to treat lyme from
> them.  Any good and/or bad experience?   Please advise.   Thanks.
>
> Jen -
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>question about particles in ionic silver

[David AuBuchon]

OOPS, SORRY FOR THE HUGE SPAM.  That message is way incomplete.  Please
ignore it.  Brain fog!  I'll ask those questions again later.

~David

Re: CS> OT: alldaychemist.com

[David AuBuchon]

Someone I know got a few things from there to try out for lyme also.  He had
no problems.  As long as it is not a drug that you can recreationally abuse,
I think there is less risk of having problems.  They ask for doctor's info.
But...it seems to be "optional".

I never heard of albenza.  I took alinia.  In fact I think I have some.  I
took it for intestinal protozoal parasites.  Had some burning sensations in
the gut herx for a few days.  Then nothing.  No overall symptom
improvement.  I did have to work up to the dosage though because of the body
getting used to nausea from it.  I took 3 a day for 3 weeks.

Alinia I understand may be effective against babesia as well as cyst Lyme.
I do not hear of it as being a common treatment for either though.  You may
want to look into other cyst busters.  GSE is the only one that comes to my
head right now, but I feel like I have seen a list of them somewhere.

~David


> jenny goodhealth  wrote:
>>
>>> Has anyone tried alldaychemist.com to purchase medications?  I am
>>> considering buying generic alinia & generic albenza to treat lyme from
>>> them.  Any good and/or bad experience?   Please advise.   Thanks.
>>>
>>> Jen -
>>>
>>>
>>

CS>question about particles in ionic silver

[David AuBuchon]

I was under the impression that the particles in EIS are basically metallic
silver that was "stripped" off of the anode along with silver ions coming
off.  If I understand correctly, Mesosilver particles are metallic silver.

I read elsewhere that while silver ions are coming off the anode, hydroxide
ions are also coming off of the cathode.  Then the two combine into
silverhydroxide.  Then molecules of silverhydroxide agglomerate to form
particles.  Is this true?  If so, where is the hydroxide coming from?  Or is
there only metallic particles?  Or are there both metallic particles as well
as silverhydroxide particles?

Thanks,
~David A.

Re: CS>Highest Total ppm?

[David AuBuchon]

I'm also curious about the number 26PPM (silver oxide and silverhydroxide).

Frank Key says 13.3 is the saturation point of ions:
"What is the highest concentration of ionic silver that pure water will keep
in solution? If no other contamination
anions<http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#anion>are
present, the maximum
concentration<http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#concentration>of
silver
ions <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#silver.ion>that
pure water can hold at room temperature in an unsaturated
solution <http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/definitions.html#saturated>is
13.3 ppm. In practice, there is substantial dissolved CO
*2*  in the water which provides additional anions, so a higher
concentration of silver ions is possible without saturation. "

~David A. (the "A" is to differentiate between several David's on the list
=P)


On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 8:35 PM, Alchemysa  wrote:

> We know the maximum ppm of IONIC silver in pure water is about 26 ppm. And
> we know 'true' colloidal silvers (e.g. Mesosilver) have a PARTICULATE ppm up
> to 32 ppm. But whats the maximum TOTAL ppm that can be achieved with some
> level of stability in pure water? Would it be the sum of these two, or is it
> a case of 'one or the other'?  I guess I'm raising the question of
> 'saturation points' and 'suspension points' (if there is such a thing), and
> how they interact. And I'm thinking of a batch thats made purely by
> electolysis.
>
> One problem in answering this question myself is that I rely on
> silver-colloids.com. for various details. But silver-colloids uses
> commercially purchased or privately submitted batches for testing, and these
> batches tend to be clear or pale yellow, and hence only about 15ppm TOTAL .
> No-one ever submits a really dirty batch for testing do they?
>
> David
>

Re: CS>Contradicting info on CS and H2O2?

[David AuBuchon]

Oooh good catch Mike.  Good thing those keys are right next to each other.
Otherwise I would have to explain!

An interesting note, I have two bottles of 3% peroxide from walgreens.  One
is 16 oz and one is 32oz.  The design of the labels is different on each.
The 32 oz one says

Active ingredient: Hydrogen peroxide (stabilized) 3%

The 16 oz one says the same thing but DOES NOT have the word stabilized.
Who knows if there is other stuff actually in it or not.

~David

On Mon, Aug 30, 2010 at 2:42 PM, M. G. Devour  wrote:

> Here David, let me fix that for you!  (typo police...)
>
> > Question on H2O2 drops:
> .
>
> That means the H2O2 contained in that 3% solution would end up diluted
> to 350 parts per billion in your final solution.

Re: CS>Contradicting info on CS and H2O2?

[David AuBuchon]

Question on H2O2 drops:

Say I wanted to ass 1 drop of 35% H2O2 to 8 oz of CS.  Is this is the same
as putting about 11 or 12 drops as 3% H2O2 (i.e. 35 divided by 3)?  Also,
does it need to be food grade, or is the stuff form walgreen's okay?

Thanks,
~David

Re: CS>Re: silver-digest Digest V2010 #721

[David AuBuchon]

Oh, hahaha.  No, I was speaking of putting cayenne in the mouth!  Get the
circulation going perhaps, before the CS is given

FYI, I've tried mixing tablespoons of DMSO with CS orally, and did not see
any effect.

I wonder if DMSO is safe to do rectally?  I'd imagine it is since it is
given IV.  I am pretty sure I know a doc who used DMSO from a horse farm in
IV.  I don't tend to think sterility or purity is a huge issue with it.

I also wonder how H2O2 and CS would work rectally.  Probably would want to
start with super low amounts.  That may be irritating.

Also might mention people are using enzymes like lumbrokinase 30 minutes
before giving antimicrobials, to break up biofilm and leave some bugs
exposed to the antimicrobials.  That is another way that may help CS work
better.  I have experienced this effect once orally, but not after that.

~David

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 4:08 PM, Melly Bag  wrote:

> David,
>
>
> I remember when i used to work at the UN a colleague of mine from an
> African country described how the Turks used piping hot  fire roasted potato
> and stuck it up the rectums of their torture victims because the area is
> full of sensitive nerves.  I relayed this just to show you to reconsider
> putting cayenne there.
>
> Melly
>

Re: CS>Rectal CS

[David AuBuchon]

ya, that's the video that I saw originally.  He does not use much CS
actually, and it is not high quality seeing the color.  Even then he says it
works well.  My gears are turning.

On Sun, Aug 29, 2010 at 3:30 PM, me me wrote:

>  Anal is the best way to use colloidal silver. It works so good, so fast.
> Listen to this guy:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lIPoTyZDL10
>
> --
> Date: Sun, 29 Aug 2010 14:03:18 -0700
> From: devorah...@yahoo.com
>
> Subject: Re: CS>Rectal CS
> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>
> Peter,
> I have heard this before about the probiotic introduced into the anus...did
> you use yogurt or pill type?
> thanks Deb
>
>  --
> *From:* Peter Converse 
> *To:* Dave Darrin ; silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sun, August 29, 2010 3:09:13 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Rectal CS
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> Great report but I doubt those were haemorrhoids...
>
>
>
> -
>
>
> My suspicion is that they were assteroids.
>
>
> --short pause for laughter & applause -or- snide remaks
>
>
> but seriously folks.
>
>
> I too have used CS "down there", in my case as an implant during a colonic,
> based on Jim Humble's MMS enema discussion page. It is supposed to get into
> the blood plasma when introduced that way, if I remember correctly. I would
> imagine it would be deadly to Candida and other pathogens residing
> therekinda like a heat-seeking missile, in terms of achieving a direct
> hit.
>
> It might be wise also to later implant a good probiotic with a rectal
> syringe to finish the job (maybe before a good nap or bedtime). I had a
> doctor who used to tell me that implanting your probiotics is far more
> efficient a method than taking them orally. I tested him out on that when my
> Candida was bad and the resulting die-off reaction was, indeed, far more
> pronounced when the probiotics were introduced rectally.
>
> Peter
>
> - Original - Original Message -
>
>   *From:* Dave Darrin 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>  *Sent:* Sunday, August 29, 2010 10:56 AM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Rectal CS
>
>  David
> One such application 10 years ago stopped diarrhoea,rid me of haemorrhoids
> and they have not returned.
> Dave
>
> On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 8:59 PM, David AuBuchon 
> wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> I just saw a you tube video with a guy saying he gets the best results with
> people using rectal CS.  He said he was giving 25-30ml rectally.
>
> Any experience with that?  I am just so interested in all the ways that
> might make CS better (H2O2, cayenne, rectal, etc.).
>
> Thanks,
> ~David
>
>
>
>
>

CS>Contradicting info on CS and H2O2?

[David AuBuchon]

I can't reconcile these two statements about CS and H2O2.  They both make
comments about how the Tyndall will change with the addition of H2O2, but
they seem to contradict.  Can anyone reconcile these for me?

From: http://www.silvermedicine.org/h2o2archives.html

"This image was taken by using a laser pen to examine the tyndall effect of
a freshly brewed colloidal silver batch, just after the addition of two
drops of 35% H2O2. Prior to the addition, the colloidal silver was crystal
clear with a very faint tyndall. Upon the addition of the hydrogen peroxide,
which begins to work immediately to atomize and ionize minute silver
particles, there was a vast increase in the tyndall effect, although in
normal light *the solution remained crystal clear*. One could easily observe
slightly spiralling "clouds" of minute particles by using the laser pen as
the hydrogen peroxide came in contact with the *silver particles*. This
batch was a lower quality batch with some "larger" ( but invisible )
particles.

When the same process is done with a highly ionic batch, without the
larger-sized silver particles, the tyndall effect would have increased
temporarily, then completely dissapeared as the minute particles were
ionized by the hydrogen peroxide."


From: http://silver-lightning.com/theory.html#HP

"When H2O2 is added to EIS (one or two drops per glass of EIS), it will be
noted that there is an immediate clearing effect. The Tyndall (what you see
if you shine a laser pointer though the liquid) will become very faint as
well. If the ppm of the EIS is sufficiently high (25 to 30 ppm) a white
cloudy precipitate may form as well.

There are a number of reactions that occur. H2O2 is normally thought of as
an oxidizer, but it can act as a reducer as well. Also silver is considered
a catalyst for H2O2, but in actuality gets directly involved in the
reactions.
The H2O2 reacts with the silver particles, producing ionic silver, a
combination of silver hydroxide and silver oxide. This makes the large
particles disappear, reducing the tyndall. However H2O2 also reacts with the
silver oxide and silver hydroxide producing a 2 atom colloid of silver plus
oxygen (and water in the case of silver hydroxide). Over time this 2 atom
colloidal particle can end up being converted back to silver oxide and
silver hydroxide, and so forth. The final result is a mixture of ionic
silver (hydroxide and oxide) and very small colloidal particles. Thus if you
add H2O2 to freshly made EIS, you can sometimes see the oxygen bubble off,
and the tyndall may change significantly. But more importantly, the
particulate portion of the EIS will go from being medium or large particles
to many more very small particles, and the particle content will increase
from a typical 5-15% to around 30-50%. If you have a strong tyndall from
large particles, it will decrease, and if you have a weak or no tyndall it
will increase with the formation of the 2 atom particles. This enhances
absorption, as well as effectiveness. Note that it is recommended to let the
EIS sit for 5 or more minutes after adding the H2O2 to let it stabilize.
Also some experts recommend letting EIS age for 2 or more days before adding
the H2O2, and experiments by me indicate a more consistant effect if this is
done. For some images of the effect H2O2 has on silver particles"

~David

CS>Rectal CS

[David AuBuchon]

Hi all,

I just saw a you tube video with a guy saying he gets the best results with
people using rectal CS.  He said he was giving 25-30ml rectally.

Any experience with that?  I am just so interested in all the ways that
might make CS better (H2O2, cayenne, rectal, etc.).

Thanks,
~David

Re: CS>Heavy metal levels/Dave

[David AuBuchon]

I have a two I think.  My serious health issues precede getting them
though.  I do have metal toxicity though and I will be addressing it in
about 6 months after my minerals get balanced.

~David

On Sat, Aug 28, 2010 at 6:30 AM, Deborah Gerard wrote:

> Do some research on how deadly they are.  I went thru an awful illness and
> one of the main factor's was the mercury leaking from the old filling's.  I
> had them removed and along with doing other thing's have enjoyed a healthy
> life again.
> Debbie
>
>  --
> *From:* "Evans, Antonio F." 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Sat, August 28, 2010 9:16:38 AM
> *Subject:* RE: CS>Heavy metal levels/Dave
>
>  I do…
>
>
>
> *From:* Deborah Gerard [mailto:devorah...@yahoo.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, August 28, 2010 9:15 AM
> *To:* cs
> *Subject:* CS>Heavy metal levels/Dave
>
>
>
> Hi Dave,
>
> I tried to e-mail you privately but spam must of caught it. Do you by
> chance have mercury filling's in your teeth?
>
> Debbie
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>My first post

[David AuBuchon]

That's part of the reason I'm here.  I want to figure out about the
different types of silver..ions, colloids, MSP, compoundsand then oral
versus IV.  And then this silver nitrate is nano sized...are other silver
compounds in nanosized particles?None of the doc's staff actually knew
what it was.  Only the doc.

I don't actually know what MSP is actually.

~David

On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 7:47 PM, Jonathan B. Britten <
jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp> wrote:

> Thanks for the information.   I'm sure list members would appreciate any
> links you find in future.
>
>

Re: CS>My first post

[David AuBuchon]

It is supposedly particles of silver nitrate 5 to 10 nanometers in size.  I
don't know anything about PPM.  It is a solid brown colored liquid.  I
received 15cc's, then 10 cc's, and today another 15 cc's.  I know he is
willing to at least go to 25 cc's.

My doc I know 1.5 years ago specifically mentioned in an article that people
who were  using IV silver for lyme and co concerned him.  Yet as of about 6
weeks ago he started doing it.  He probably watched it for long enough and
decided it was safe enough to try.

~David


>
> In a newspaper here in Japan some years ago, a patient died after, as the
> article described it, a needle made of (or containing?)  silver nitrate
> broke off during treatment.
>
> Admittedly, the article was so brief and sketchy that I could not
> understand what was being done by the MD.   I did, however,  inquire about
> it here on this list, and was told by some of the experts that silver
> nitrate is deadly.
>
> Hence my message.Caveat lector.
>
> Any data about the treatment would be useful to list members.   Thanks in
> advance.
>
>
>
>

Re: CS>My first post

[David AuBuchon]

Just had treatment # 3 today.  All three times definitely herx.  I got some
visible improvement in the pink tissue in my mouth and also "down there"
from the first treatment.  The first treatment gave me identical to the flu
symptoms.  102.1 fever, chills, etc.  The next two herxes were very mild and
familiar herx symptoms for me.



On Fri, Aug 27, 2010 at 6:58 PM, Jonathan B. Britten <
jbrit...@nakamura-u.ac.jp> wrote:

> I recall reading that silver nitrate is deadly.
>
> Wikpedia makes no mention of IV use.
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_nitrate
>
> The reaction may be a toxic reaction, not a herxheimer reaction.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thursday, Aug 26, 2010, at 12:02 Asia/Tokyo, David AuBuchon wrote:
>
>  IV silver nitrate
>>
>> I have had two treatments so far.  First one have me a herx that was
>> almost literally identical to flu.  Fever, chills, weakness, etc.  I have
>> never in my life had a herx that felt like the immune system was actually
>> doing its job!  The second treatment was lower dose cuz I was scared after
>> the first treatment.  No flu symptoms but more "usual" herx symptoms
>> (fatigue, depression, brain fog).  Round three is this friday!
>>
>
>
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