Re: CSinjecting CS....
In a message dated 5/19/03 10:37:59 PM Central Daylight Time, guess...@msn.com writes: Or right on the coldsore is fine? That's what we do -- no injections needed. Just soak the cold sore a few times per day. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSH2o2
All I know is that when I added H2O2 to my CS it turned cloudy and I could not get it to revert to non-cloudy. I saved it and used it for soaking veggies but it took a long time to make that CS! Laura In a message dated 5/7/03 10:02:00 PM Central Daylight Time, pcar...@wyoming.com writes: It really kinda threw me, because I have read so often that adding H202 makes the CS revert to ionic or reduces particle size (or something to that effect) that I was expecting reduced TE, but instead it was very noticeably increased. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:CS and Diabetes ( John Wallis)
You're right -- I was unclear. He tests before meals, meaning when 4-6 hours have already passed since eating. In that light, his numbers are highest in the AM after hours of inactivity. If he were to test 1 -2 hours after meals, his numbers would be higher than his AM numbers. So the highest numbers are after eating, but the highest not-having-recently-eaten numbers are first thing in the AM. Laura In a message dated 4/29/03 4:28:02 AM Central Daylight Time, ro...@front.ru writes: samma...@aol.com wrote: My husband is diabetic and we were told that 70 - 120 was the normal range. Blood sugars are usually highest in the AM after a night of inactivity (sleep). I thought it was the lowest in the morning. Are you sure it's the highest? It's supposed to be the highest after eating. Especially after a meal that has carbs unbalanced with protein. Roman -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDiagnoses of Diabetes
Roxanne, maybe you should carb-up just a bit before your bike ride? Or take a Gatorade with you? Just a thought. Laura In a message dated 4/29/03 8:22:06 AM Central Daylight Time, rtr...@bellsouth.net writes: I always do fine with the when I leave the house, but getting back to the house, I become very weak, and my blood sugar becomes below 60 sometimes. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSvanadium BS count
John, will she be getting medical treatment for her blood sugar levels any time soon? Those numbers are pretty high. My husband, who was diagnosed two years ago, didn't know he had diabetes until one morning, against my wishes, he indulged in half dozen glazed croissants for breakfast. We made a Wal-Mart run later that morning and he started to get shakey and sweaty. I thought he was having an anxiety attack, and asked him to see the doctor ASAP for treatment. He went to Urgent Care a few days later, complaining of anxiety, and they did some blood work on him to rule out physical factors. High blood glucose count was over 300 and they told him to see his doctor right away. Since he has been treated for the diabetes, he feels so much better. He eats well because he has to, he has lost about 40 lbs, his color is good, and he's so much healthier than before he was diagnosed. Being dependent upon the Establishment medical community like we are because of this is not my idea of a good time. But that's just the way it is right now. I understand people's reluctance to get Establishment-medical treatment -- I personally avoid doctors whenever possible -- but I am so grateful he is being treated for the diabetes. When they finally got control of his blood glucose, his other numbers improved greatly: triglycerides, cholesterol, etc. Laura In a message dated 4/29/03 11:11:39 AM Central Daylight Time, jf...@attbi.com writes: The wife's BS this morning was 357. She tests 1st thing in AM and then takes one vanadium 5000mcg. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Some more info
The $8 item is an accessory -- a part of the nebulizing system that occassionally needs to be replaced. Laura In a message dated 4/28/03 10:04:56 AM Central Daylight Time, dn...@mn.nilfisk-advance.com writes: How do these things work? Do you have to have a pressurized air source or do you just inhale through them? Dan you wrote: CSRe: Some more info From: jrowland (view other messages by this author) Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2003 00:26:26 If they CAN get past the word nebulizer, these $8 gizmos are out there: These easy-to-use, hand-held nebulizers feature a precise Venturi delivery system to provide 70% of the particles within the most advantageous, one to four micron range for greater medication efficiency. Measured medication jar has a sure seal cap to help prevent spilling and medication waste. Designed for easy assembly, cleaning and maintenance... http://www.csprosystems.com/ (1/2 way down the page) jr -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:CS and Diabetes ( John Wallis)
In a message dated 4/28/03 11:54:40 AM Central Daylight Time, mama...@netzero.net writes: My latest FBS was 109. That`s OK, isn`t it? I`m still sugar addicted... My husband is diabetic and we were told that 70 - 120 was the normal range. Blood sugars are usually highest in the AM after a night of inactivity (sleep). I'm following this thread on Vanadium closely. I have some but have not used it much. I hadn't known there was any potential danger 'til reading about it here. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSinfection flair up after stopping CS
Hi Jean, I'm not sure I follow you. Is this right: You didn't have gum flare ups or sinus pain before you bought your 8 oz bottle and used it. You stopped using the CS while waiting for your generator to arrive and your gums flared up and your sinuses started hurting. And your question is, is it normal for these things to happen once CS is stopped? My experience with CS is that it helps most of what ails me, that in the beginning it gave me a bit of a herx reaction (body struggling to detoxify as a result of CS-killed micro-critters) but that nothing new that was bad ever popped up after stopping use for any reason. I can understand how stopping CS could allow a former ailment to resurface, but for a new ailment to pop up after CS use (and then stopping) doesn't sound like anything I've heard before. Laura In a message dated 4/28/03 3:22:58 PM Central Daylight Time, purplepixi...@yahoo.com writes: Hi CS'rs,I bought an 8oz bottle of CS and took it for almost two weeks, at that time and after much research I decided to make my own and I purchased a generator, which i'm waiting for now. However I've noticed that certain things that I wasn't having problem's with before using CS I now am dealing with, i.e. (gum flare ups and some sinus pain). I have decided to make CS a part of my daily nutrition plan, so it's kind of mute but I'm wondering if I stop taking it someday will I again have infectious flare up's, or was it just not enough to kill all bacteria causing infection. Any info on this will help. Thank youJean -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:CS and Diabetes
Marshallee, I don't know why they would have told you that. My doc checked mine two years ago at 110 and that was fine. I found this about levels. Even if you had fasted before taking the test your level would not have indicated diabetes: http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001214.htm excert: Type 2 diabetes is diagnosed when: A fasting glucose level is higher than 126 mg/dL on two occasions A random glucose level is higher than 200 mg/dL and is accompanied by the classic symptoms of increased thirst, urination, and fatigue A glucose level higher than 200 mg/dL is recorded 2 hours after drinking a standardized carbohydrate beverage (glucose tolerance test) - Laura In a message dated 4/28/03 12:39:49 PM Central Daylight Time, mama...@netzero.net writes: When I got a FBS at the school health center of 112 a few months ago, they said I was diabetic and that I ought to freak out about it. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSARS Canada
Ian, Thank you very much for this information. I don't know why the coverage of US cases is so inadequate. I would very much like to know more about where SARS is hitting here. You have given us insights we couldn't get anywhere else. Thanks again. Laura In a message dated 4/24/03 9:23:17 PM Central Daylight Time, ian_onta...@hotmail.com writes: Hi: According to a scientist yesterday in Winnipeg, where the Canadian equivalent to the CDC is, in 40% of SARS patients, he can find no virus. He stated that he is not sure that the corona virus acutally causes the disease. Apparently they are still researching this and the book has not been written yet. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSA question for the scientifically inclined
Aren't there water molecules in regular exhalation? Maybe nebulizing with CS if the CS didn't kill it on contact would increase the risk of SARS transport in that local area, but there is a large risk-benefit ratio here, as I see it. The last place I would want to be if I suspected I had SARS would be a hospital emergency room. Laura In a message dated 4/25/03 10:33:47 AM Central Daylight Time, ccr...@adelphia.net writes: SARS can be carried in droplets. One would expel these when exhaling. Until we know that CS can kill SARS on contact it is unsafe to nebulize it. Regards, Catherine -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSsilver-plating
Jan, Between batches of CS I use over-the-counter hydrogen peroxide to get the silver plating off my brewing glass. I pour 1-2 oz in my glass and it fizzes when it makes contact with the silver residue. I roll my jar around so the peroxide comes in contact with every part of the inside of the glass, and then I rinse 3X throughly with distilled water. I use the peroxide to clean my silver wires too -- just let them roll around while I'm cleaning the glass. Then I wipe them off and rinse them 3X also. No amount of washing with soap and hot water seems to do as thorough a job as the peroxide. Laura In a message dated 4/23/03 10:13:18 AM Central Daylight Time, juri...@yahoo.com writes: Help, I'm having a problem with my beaker that has become silver-plated. I remember reading that this could cause a problem because the colloidal silver particles become attracted to the plating instead of remaining dispersed throught the water. I also remember that someone posted how to clean the beakers or whatever container of this plating. I searched in the archives but couldn't find it. Could someone please tell me the best way to clean the container of this plating so I don't have a problem making my CS.? Thanks, Jan Bolen -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CShow do i properly clean my colloidal silver jar
I use over-the-counter hydrogen peroxide to clean my silver wires and my brewing glass between batches. The silver that's plated-out on the glass dissolves in a fizz of bubbles. Then I rinse the glass and the silver wires three times each in distilled water before starting over. This works very well for me. The peroxide is the best thing I've found to get the plating off. Laura In a message dated 4/18/03 9:44:43 AM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Hi Steve, I agree with you. However, if one gets any silver plating on the vessel, it forms a conductive path and can allow current to flow around the periphery or the bottom of the jar at the same time it's flowing through the water. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCurrent vs PPM question for Ole Bob
Thank you, Bob. Your explanations have always been very helpful. I saved your original post, and even printed it up. Where it is today is another matter! Laura In a message dated 4/8/03 2:39:15 PM Central Daylight Time, bober...@swbell.net writes: Hi Luara, There has been to much water over the dam for me to remember what I wrote. When I run equal sized electrodes i.e. #14 x 5 wet silver wires spaced about 1 1/2 with constant voltage supply (anything 6v to 36v), I turn off the voltage when the current reaches about 3 to 4 ma. The voltage level just determines how fast things will go as will the amout of DW being used.. The time is also affected by the inital conductane of the DW as well as its temperature. Once you specify what you want to do then estimates canbe made ofwhatyou will get and the time required. There is NO substitute for a digital multi meter. Harbor Freight Co sells them for $3.99. That is a good deal I have several in use and one in the box on the shelf. But there have been a lot of improvements since that day. Ole Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCurrent vs PPM question for Ole Bob
Dear Ole Bob, A few years ago you posted some numbers correlating the ppm of the CS with certain current readings. I lost track of your numbers, though I recall that with 1 1/2 inch spacing (I think) a current reading of 3.3 milliamps would indicate an 8-10 ppm solution. Would it be possible for you to give those numbers again? A friend would like to know the target current reading for a 4-6 pmm solution. Thanks if you can help. I looked on your website and searched the archives -- no luck. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Harbor Freight multimeter
Gotcha Don. I missed that one. I did a search on multimeter and the cheapest one I saw was $6.99. Laura In a message dated 12/28/02 12:09:04 AM Central Standard Time, dp...@shasta.com writes: It is described as a multimeter so that means it does indeed measure the three functions of volts amps and resistance. I was wrong on the price, it is normally 6.99 but was on sale for 3.99. All the best Don -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:Making your own brew.............. help!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Kendra, I don't use air bubbles, I just swish the CS-making glass every 15 minutes or so to stir. I don't use a potentiometer either. I don't limit current. Sometimes I clean the one cruddy electrode, and sometimes I don't. If I don't, I filter the finished brew through a non-bleached coffee filter. I do use an ampmeter. (My husband had a volt/amp meter around the house). But before using it, I would cook my 12-16oz brew for about 1 1/2 hours. I was told that I could never know the ppm of CS I was making that way, but I trusted that if my CS came out clear or pale yellow, that it would be safe and effective. Sometimes I probably ended-up with CS of less than 5 ppm in strength, but I did benefit from it anyway. Ole Bob, who used to post here, advised that if you know the amperage of your brew, you'd know the concentration (ppm) of your colloidal silver. Once my husband showed me how to use the ampmeter, I would stop my brew at 3.3 milliamps which Ole Bob advised would equal approximately 8-10ppm CS. In short, everyone has a different way of making CS. Some refine the process more meticulously than others ... but if you're using good quality silver and good quality distilled water and your CS is either clear or pale yellow/pale gold, it is my understanding that you will end up with safe and effective CS. I like the amperage testing method because I found that it really is true that depending on atmospheric conditions and whatnot, the brew time to make 8-10 ppm CS (3.3 milliamps on the meter) varies considerably! From one day to the next, the brew time to reach that amperage can vary up to 45 minutes. But I ingested the CS brew I made when I was only timing it (not taking amperage readings), and I benefitted from it, and am not blue! Oh, I've never checked the Tyndal effect with a laser either. I rely on the color more than anything. There's a lot I don't do that others here do, but I feel confident about my end-product. I get the benefits others describe -- help in fighting infections, etc., so I'm happy. regards, Laura In a message dated 12/27/02 12:14:22 PM Central Standard Time, bluenote...@juno.com writes: Oh boy guys. I just bought a generator from http://www.sunstoneherbals.com/ that was recommended by a person on this list. I know absolutely nothing about chemistry! What you wrote here Ken sounds really confusing to me. I bought the deluxe kit, and it looks easy to use, but there is no air pump as someone else here suggested that you need. I am really confused. Please help. I just want to make some good cs so I don't have to spend 60.00 a bottle anymore. I don't want to make some kind of toxic brew though. There is no meter that comes with the kit, and the laser thing on that one site is mind boggling. Also, it does not look like you can just take one wire out of the glass with this generator so that sludge mentioned on that other site doesn't go into the water! Is there anyone out there using this simple generator and is it safe? I just spent 49.95 on it!! Kendra??¿¿ -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:Making your own brew.............. help!!!!!!!!!!
Hi Kendra, I'm sure there are plenty of CS users who don't read amperage and have other ways of assessing the strength of a brew...? The point I was hoping to make is that there are many ways to brew CS, as long as certain things (like salt and tap water) are avoided, you'll find CS pretty user-friendly. I hope you'll read other people's input before making any decisions -- it's just so easy to get overwhelmed when new to CS, and I hope you'll be able to avoid that. As for the amp meter, I looked it up, and what my husband has is a multimeter: it reads voltage, current (in amps) and resistance. Switch it to the voltage side and you can check the strength of the batteries you're using and know when they need to be replaced. Switch to the amp (current) side and you can check the current of the brew. Starting current for the distilled water I buy is usually about 0.20 milliamps. I want a 3.3 milliamp CS solution, so I would cook my brew until the meter reads 0.20 + 3.3 = 3.53 milliamps. If you decide to use this method, can you ask a relative, friend or neighbor if they have one you can use? It might help to have someone help you figure out how to use it, plus it's cheaper to borrow than to buy! My husband's is a lot like this one: http://www.gadgetscope.com/rsmeter.html The one in the picture retails for $39.95, but there are several for sale at eBay for much less. ebay.com search multimeter. regards, Laura In a message dated 12/27/02 3:03:54 PM Central Standard Time, bluenote...@juno.com writes: Thanks Laura, Where do I get the ampmeter that you wrote about? Radio Shack? Kendra -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSsmallpox vaccine in emergencies was ....small pox Malaria ...INTERESTING
Hi Trem, My understanding is that the feds gave a model for state legislatures to follow in creating emergency procedures and laws re smallpox. I don't believe it is mandatory for states to pass emergency smallpox legislation, but several have already. My state, WI, passed it right after the model legislation came out and they put serious teeth in it. Here it is not mandatory quarantine for refusing the vaccine in an emergency (as it was in the model legislation), it is a crime punishable by up to a $10,000 fine and/or 9 months in prison. Here's an article you might be interested in, Vaccine Nation by Stephen Marshall: http://www.guerrillanews.com/sci-tech/doc850.html Otherwise, you could probably do a google search on your state + smallpox and find more info. regards, Laura In a message dated 12/27/02 2:47:35 PM Central Standard Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: I've read the bill and do not see any place where they will impose it on the populace as a whole. Perhaps you have more definitive information. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSmutlimeters was .... Re: CSRe:Making your own brew.............. help!!!!!!!!!!
Don, that looks like a great resource for multimeters. It looks like the $4.99 one is a temperature probe, but there are digital multimeters for as low as $6.99. That's cheaper than what I found on eBay. http://www.harborfreight.com/ regards, Laura In a message dated 12/27/02 4:11:33 PM Central Standard Time, dp...@shasta.com writes: Harbor freight has a digital multimeter on sale for 4.99. All the best don -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS ultrasonic vs steam vaporizers
I've read the opposite here, Dennis -- that the ultrasonics work but the steam vaporizers don't. The steam vaporizers leave all the silver behind. Laura In a message dated 12/26/02 4:19:24 PM Central Standard Time, den...@toolsforhealing.com writes: Is it okay to use a standard (non-ultrasonic) vaporizer/humidifier with CS? A lot has been said lately about the use of a nebulizer, but I don't remember whether the typical steam humidifiers are okay to use with CS. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CShelpful basic CS set-up photos for beginners
I really like this site as it gives really clear photos of a basic set-up. It has pictures of the alligator clips, and shows how to snap the batteries together, etc. No worries if your set-ups are a little different, these pictures really help put the whole thing in context. I wish I had found photos like these when I was getting started! I think the site owner is a member of this list, too. Don't forget to click Next Page at the bottom of the page to keep going. http://www.silvermedicine.org/basicgenerator.html Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMSM (mixed with Rx's?)
Dear Brooks, One thing I haven't been able to puzzle out about either DMSO or MSM is if they increase the power of drugs already in a person's system. My husband is on many rx meds, yet could benefit from DMSO or MSM. But since I don't understand if these would increase the potential of the drugs he takes daily, I'm afraid to recommend DMSO/MSM for his surgical scars, sprains, etc. out of fear that he might OD on his rx's. Thanks in advance if you can help me sort this out. Laura In a message dated 12/20/02 12:36:06 PM Central Standard Time, brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net writes: Dear Robert, I do not know who recommended 8 tps. daily, or what the basis for their recommendation is. However, our researches indicate that such volume is not a threat of any kindto ones general health. Our best results have manifested, generally, from a range of 4 to 6 teaspoons daily.for a variety of afflictions/imbalances among our volunteer humans and animals presenting abnormalities deemed susceptible to MSM protocols. The most obvious conclusion indicated by the rapid escalation in dosage, would be to elevate the systemic titer.as rapidly as possible. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. p.s. We have, on occasion, utilized quantities as high as 20 grams daily.for some severe articulating-joint arthritis experimentationswithout undesireable consequences. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSMSM (mixed with Rx's?) thank you
Dear Brooks, Thank you very much for explaining. Many people who are on prescription drugs probably would also like to use DMSO specifically, so it's important to know the possible effects. I would like to use DMSO on my husband's back to soften his surgical scar tissue and possibly help him avoid another surgery, but it's too risky with all the meds he's on. Thanks again, Laura In a message dated 12/21/02 8:05:46 PM Central Standard Time, brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net writes: Dear Laura, In our past researches involving DMSO and MSM, we have found that both have pronounced effect in INCREASING the potentcy of 95% of the systemically introduced drugs. DMSO routinely increased effectiveness of many drugs by 4X and more..in in vivo protocols. MSM gave a reduced multiplier-effect (less than 50% and sometimes even less), but was tolerated for MUCH higher dosage levels, than was DMSO. We utilized DMSO in vivo very sparingly...primarily because of its very pronounced odiferous effects. Additionally, DMSO capability for powerful entrainment of a majority of drug substances..caused us concern for the SPEED of transfer throughout the secondary circulation system. MSM, on the other hand, is much more benign in that it is not an entrainment agentrelying primarily for its effectiveness through its pronounced solubility and ability to enlarge/flush cell- wall pores. We found no definable data establishing an advantage for DMSO or MSM for providing the organic sulphur fraction necessary for proper human body health. However, from a convenience consideration, plus secondary concerns of entrainment, DMSO presents a dose-limiting restriction reduces its appeal for protocols inviting aggressive in vivo address. A word of caution. Although less powerful in the multiplier effect than DMSO, MSM can on occasion generate multiplier effect of 4X..under certain combination with specific drug substances. MSM is, probably, one of the most benign substances, relative to human health function, which we have ever evaluated. For topical employment, DMSO demonstrated to be markedly superior to MSMin ALL applications we evaluated-and most especially in cases involving arthritis of an articulating joint. Sincerely, Brooks Bradley. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSDMSO
Hi -- I can't comment on the cloudiness, but I've been reading up on DMSO lately and understand that a 70% solution of DMSO mixed with (distilled?) water is optimal for most uses. If you were using full strength, that might account for the level of burning you felt. The DMSO, when mixed with water, will likely get warm. That's to be expected. Also, if a rash develops anywhere on the body OTHER than where it is applied, that could indicate a possible allergic reaction, and DMSO use should be discontinued. Allergic reactions are rare, according to the books I'm reading. You should expect a funny taste in your mouth after using DMSO: some describe it as an oyster-like taste or a garlic taste. Laura In a message dated 12/10/02 2:35:16 AM Central Standard Time, j...@iles.azm.nl writes: Hello listmembers, A few weeks ago I bought a little bottle DMSO (100 ml) The first experience was like you told me it burns like hell. Yesterday I wanted to use it for some muscle problems with my son and I discovered that the DMSO fluid wasn't clear anymore but had a sort of cloud in it. Is this wrong? Does someone know what this means? Every comments will be appriciated. Thanks Jef -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe:DMSO
In a message dated 12/10/02 7:05:25 AM Central Standard Time, bluenote...@juno.com writes: Thank you.Is DMSO used for external purposes only? Kendra Kendra, DMSO is used topically, orally, subcutaneously, intra-muscularly (I think) and intravenously. For self-administered use I intend to only use it topically. Some splendid results have been found in many cases using other methods, according to the books I'm reading, but these should only be done under the care of a doctor. The books I have are kind of old -- the newest being from 1980. I don't really know if DMSO is being used more by doctors now than then, however I do believe that the FDA still only approves DMSO use for interstitial cystitis. (I'll make this my last post on the topic, Mike.) Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSOT: Source: Bush to announce plan for smallpox vaccinations
http://www.cnn.com/2002/HEALTH/conditions/11/26/smallpox.vaccine/ Source: Bush to announce plan for smallpox vaccinations From Elizabeth Cohen and Ann Curley CNN Tuesday, November 26, 2002 Posted: 9:24 AM EST (1424 GMT) excerpts WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush is expected to announce a plan in the next few weeks to protect 500,000 health workers by vaccinating them against smallpox, an administration source said. ...The total number vaccinated in that first round is expected to be about a half-million people, the official said. People in that group would be those at the greatest risk of occupational exposure, such as emergency room workers, infectious disease specialists and intensive care workers. The second round would be available to 7 million to 10 million first responders -- health care workers, firefighters, police and other emergency crews. Members of the general public who wish to receive the vaccine could participate in clinical trials. The administration official said authorities don't believe there is a sufficient risk at this time of a smallpox attack to warrant recommending a general vaccination for the public. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS(Stan Jones replied!) Fwd: Your FAQ on colloidal silver and argyria
He finally replied! And he affirmed that the FAQ posted at http://silverfacts.netfirms.com/pages/jones.htmlwas attributable to him. What a nice and courageous man he is. Laura ---BeginMessage--- Laura Yes this is my response. Yes you have permission to distribute as widely as possible. Stan Jones, for Liberty and good health! - Original Message - From: samma...@aol.com To: stanjo...@montana.com Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 7:13 AM Subject: Your FAQ on colloidal silver and argyria Dear Mr. Jones, This was posted to an email list I belong to. The author said it came from the silverfacts.org webite, which is currently unavailable. Is the response below attributable to you, and if so, may I have your permission to repost this and to put it up on a webpage? May I include your email address? I think it's important to get accurate information out there to refute the apparent scare tactics. Thanks if you can help, Laura -- Stan Jones' FAQ: Here's my standard response. I think it answers most of your questions. Don't stop what you're doing. Colloidal silver has been so completely researched that we know it is very safe. Many people don't see any difference in my skin. This news blast started because a reporter who saw me in a debate in Great Falls, Montana interviewed me and published a story with a doctored photo (made my face decidedly blue). The associated press picked the story up and put it all on the Internet. To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. 4) I drank my water over the entire day , but mostly in the evening after work. I have no idea how much I drank during any day. 5) I never filtered the solution. 6) People began to tell me my complexion was getting pale or green or blue. I never noticed the difference in my mirror every day. I did notice that under my finger nails was turning blue -- like a lack of oxygen. That's probably the first sign. No other part of my body shows any indications. I hope this is helpful. I know that I am an unusual case -- only the second or third case to be reported. If you are as careful as you indicate, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Stay healthy. You are with millions of other Americans that take silver. Here's a good web site to visit www.silver100.com. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate ---End Message---
CSpolicing others' ingestion habits was ... aspartame A consideration.
In a message dated 11/22/02 12:47:33 PM Central Standard Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: In a perfect world I would agree. The problem is that with the government and all the way it is, when people do things that hurt themselves, it is everyone, not just them that usually pay. Everyone is assessed through increased taxes or health insurance premiums. I don't agree with this logic. That old argument has been used justify the stripping away of many people's rights. The same case could be used against you: Marshall there are risks involved when you use alternative remedies that have not been approved by the FDA. If it should not work out then the rest of us will have to pay for your recklessness. Therefore, you must stop or risk fines and imprisonment. And if you really believe what you've written, then you should be insisting that McDonald's and Burger King be outlawed immediately. People can ingest whatever they like and they'll get no trouble from me. I will share what I've learned whenever there is an opening to do so, but it is none of my business what people eat or drink or inhale. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
In a message dated 11/20/02 6:13:53 PM Central Standard Time, mama...@netzero.net writes: And the CG you sent me saved my life, Chip! Thanks again. Marshalee What did it help you with, Marshalee? I ordered some from WaterOz about a year ago but never got around to using it much. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS RE: Colloidal Gold
In a message dated 11/21/02 1:23:28 AM Central Standard Time, brian...@hotmail.com writes: A CG discussion list would be a great place to share experiences, details of generation techniques, etc. I'd be willing to attempt to set one up. I would join if you did that, Brian. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: penalty for refusing vaccines in some states.... was ...Sheep
In a message dated 11/20/02 10:03:05 AM Central Standard Time, l...@tahomagirl.com writes: What will happen if I refuse to take the vaccine? Hopefully you're in one of the states that has stalled on passing this legislation. 16 states have passed legislation on this. My state, WI, passed it almost as soon as the model became available. At first I understood the consequences of refusing to be forced quarantine, but Stephen Marshall from the Guerrilla News Network (GNN) wrote an article: The Truth About Forced Vaccination that said in WI, at least, the penalty is a $10,000 fine and 9 months in prison. He wrote, But, as of late July, USA Today reported that '16 states and the District of Columbia have passed all or parts of the model law. It has been rejected or stalled in 22 states.' For full article, please see: http://www.guerrillanews.com/bunker/west/doc838.html Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSheep
This sheep is caught in the headlights. My eyes are open and I'm watching all this stuff unfold, but have no clue what to do about it. The ball is rolling, it has powerful momentum, and all us American sheep, at least, have been sold down the river by the invertebrates on the Hill. Laura In a message dated 11/20/02 9:55:34 AM Central Standard Time, palulu...@hotmail.com writes: The Homeland Security Bill was passed here in the US by a resounding majority... We now have the possibility of being vaccinated against our will... we now have the reality that we will all be monitored constantly... and all anyone has to say is this back and forth about someone's web page... how very amazing to me... we don't need to worry the govt will turn us into sheep... we are sheep... -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: glutathione was ....CS and Hep C testimonials ...was ...Newby
Duncan, Thank you for the info. Do you have a specific brand of glutathione to recommend? Laura In a message dated 11/13/02 7:44:27 PM Central Standard Time, duncanc...@shaw.ca writes: Laura; [FW:] The glutathione produced by cold-processed whey isolate is the liver's main detoxification AND antioxidant support. It strengthens every cell's defences, allowing them to resist invasion. The HepC will not be able to enter the cell to replicate so easily and the viral load will drop. Conversely, infection of all types is increased in the presence of low glutathione. The supplement should be taken with selenium for best result. Selenium taken at the high dose of 800-1100 mcg even by itself (short term) has dropped viral load by a measured 87% to 94% in both Hep and HIV patients, in clinical studies. Many people report some results also by taking colloidal silver on an empty stomach. Many doctors and naturopaths use ozone therapy for Hep. It both oxidizes the virus and raises glutathione and other antioxidants if the precursors are available. You can do a search on google on Sunnen ozone Hepatitis for more info from one of the prominent doctors and an excellent document on this therapy. I know a fella who got his hepc under control using all of these methods. regards, Duncan Crow -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: glutathione was ....CS and Hep C testimonials ...was ...Newby
Thanks, Jack. I was confused about the precursors vs the actual. And it's about time for another Swanson order, I think. Laura In a message dated 11/14/02 8:07:50 PM Central Standard Time, jack...@harbornet.com writes: just do a search for NAC, the price is $7.50 for 100 caps - 600 mg stock #SW854 Jack -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSCS and Hep C testimonials ...was ...Newby
Hi Margaret, A friend has HepC and I found this website with testimonials for her a few months ago. (She's is currently undergoing her second round of treatment with drugs that are a kind of chemo, she says. The treatments have really caused her to suffer.) http://www.utopiasilver.com/hepc.htm Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSCS and DMSO Human Usage
In a message dated 11/5/02 12:16:07 AM Central Standard Time, ba...@netease.net writes: Also want to read about CS and DMSO from the standpoint of theirs who have used it. I used DMSO with CS to get the CS where it need to go (my lower leg and foot). Can you explain how you did this? Did you mix the CS and DMSO first and then rub it on the area? I am fascinated by DMSO but nervous about using it incorrectly. I worry that I will allow something not good to get into my system, like traces of soap left on my skin or something. Haven't tried it orally, but imagine what it tastes like. Think I will stick with IV. People mention IV's quite often here, but can IV's ever self-administered? Or is this done only under a doctor's care? Did you use the CS/DMSO in IV? thanks in advance, Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS allopathic tx, was ..CS reaction with stainless steel valve in heart
Dear Brooks, I understand your sadness. My 42 year old brother-in-law has neck cancer and has the same level of trust for his allopathic physicians. I researched Laetrile on his behalf last year which resulted in me being aware not only of how helpful Laetrile and amygdalin can be, but also about how dangerous and non-productive standard cancer treatments can be. I sent him two of the best out-of-print books I could find only to learn they are collecting dust unread. His cancer metasticized and they removed the lower right lobe of his lung a few months ago, and followed the surgery with another course of chemo. According to what I've read, his chances for five year survival are roughly 7%. I doubt that's what his physicians are telling him, though. It is very sad. Laura In a message dated 11/5/02 12:42:16 PM Central Standard Time, brooks.brad...@worldnet.att.net writes: Dear Marshall, Excellent observation. We have determined that CS will, in fact, plate out in similar circumstances as stated in this situation. If CS plating had been used in past installations of such devices, the mortality rate from opportunistic pathogenic agents, probably, would have been much lower. My only brother (78 yro overweight diabetic) nicked himself with a fish-hook about 3 months ago. Within 15 days he experienced a severe cardiac episodewhich the alleopathic attendants surmised to be a stroke. However, it took them 5 days to determine there was an infected heart valve causing the increasing insufficiency (this after a precipitous decline in his condition). Eight weeks later plus $245,000 in expense. he was taken home.unable to rise or stand. His complete recovery is problematical. This gentleman has placed his faith and destiny---unflinchingly---in the hands of the alleopathic community. Needless to say, one can imagine how stressful this has been on me..when we have documented evidence (reams of it) exhibiting the efficacy of ancillary adjunctive protocols which are both non-invasive and non-toxic--and NON-REACTIVE with the alleopathic agents involved..which could have served to mediate quite effectivelyin his case. Sam (my brother) is a dedicated searcher for the Silver Bullet..but only if cast by the Alleopathic Gods. This case serves to increase my sadness relative to the general circumstance of systemic cultural conditioning aimed a maintaining an, almost, religious zeal among the target population. Do forgive the intensity of this diatribe...it is just a reflection of my heart-sickness relative to the entire circumstance. Sincerely, Brooks. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSUh Oh...Blue Fingernails
Paul, Are you battling a particular illness as reason to take 16-32 oz per day? That seems like a lot of CS. When I joined the list I felt reassured that some people had been taking 8oz per day for long periods safely. I'm not afraid of the CS I make at home but I have a healthy respect for it. I don't think I've ever taken more than 4oz in one day under any circumstances. Did WaterOz give a recommended dosage? Laura In a message dated 11/1/02 10:10:29 PM Central Standard Time, paulldn...@yahoo.com writes: Ok, about 2 years ago I started using about 1/2 to 1 oz/day of a 100 ppm colloidal silver product from Water Oz and about 2 mos ago I started using 16- 32 oz of about 12-15 ppm according to the PWT of my own brew using a generator made by Sota Instruments with constant current adapter and then a Coyote Zenterprises generator also with constant current and thermal stirring (When I was using 32 oz made by the Sota generator I assumed that it was 5 ppm but according to the PWT it was more like 15 ppm) . Never noticed anything until now but the moons on my fingernails definitely have a blue- purple tint. Who knows they may have been blue for quite a while and maybe I just never noticed it until Marshall mentioned it. Guess I should stop for a little while and see what happens. I'll keep you posted. Paul -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSBeta Glucan
Swanson has a product that has 48-55% of purified beta glucan units, item #SWU111. (http://www.swansonvitamins.com/) 250 Mg 30 Caps, price: $5.99. They also have Natrol brand Beta Glucan 20 Mg 30 Caps, price: $10.79 more info on Betaprecise http://www.cypsystems.com/product/beta_precise.html BetaPrecise™ 909 contains purified Beta 1,3 Glucan which has been extracted from the cell wall of baker's yeast (Saccharomyces cerevisiae). BetaPrecise™ 909 provides a lower range (48 - 55%) of purified beta glucan units to provide a cost efficient raw material. A gentle digestion removes the soluble portions of the yeast cells; the remaining cell wall fraction is then purified and spray dried. BetaPrecise™ 909 contains high molecular and indigestible polysaccharides, especially glucans. The beta 1-3 and 1-6 linkages of glucose units in the glucan chain posses a high water binding property for use in various food systems. Cypress certifies all products by production batches with an individual Certificate of Analysis. Percent Beta Glucan Units: 48-55% In a message dated 10/26/02 2:23:13 AM Central Daylight Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: Cripes that is far too expensive. $45 for 60 Tablets @ 25mg = $30 per gram I can send you 100 grams powder for US$30 (postage included) from here in New Zealand if you cannot find anything cheaper closer to home. Cheers Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPlease help - never been so sick on 8oz CS treating Lyme
Dear Kevin, I am far from an expert but I didn't have lyme (or any serious illness that I knew of) when I started CS and I started with just a few teaspoons per day and I had a herx reaction. Please stop or cut down your CS intake until the herx reaction subsides or stabilizes. 8 oz is too much to start with for anyone, in my view. A person's reaction should be tested slowly at first. Very slowly. Laura In a message dated 10/23/02 3:00:15 AM Central Daylight Time, lymegladia...@btinternet.com writes: PLEASE RESPOND TO lymegladia...@btinternet.com AS I AM NOT ABLE TO READ ALL THE MESSAGES ON THE LIST SO I JUST DELETE THEM AUTOMATICALLY. Hello, I am very sick with CS right now as evidenced by sleeping/being in a coma for 4 days then slowly coming out of it and having , paradoxically, 1 day where I can walk for 30 mins and feel 'OK' for 24-36 hours. I have VERY LONG TERM SEVERE LYME IN EVERY PART OF MY BODY so I don't expect miracles, that would be stupid. What should I do ? Stop all together - it's tempting to be less sick than this sick, it's frightening. I believe that the CS is releasing way too much of the powerful acidic toxins that the LD spirochete known to produce and which cause all of the symptoms (exhuation, mental symptoms, weakness, and God knows what else ...). I can see and smell it in my urine etc (sorry about explicit details). How some people can take 8 oz a day is beyond me. Any advice on dosage - I'm thinking of stopping all together, this just isn' t worth it, it's worsr than cancer therapy and I've seen that first hand. At least those people died quickly. Jesus, this is hell on earth with no end in sight Kevin, manchester, UK -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: Tom Kotynski - Thanks Bill - confused
Jason: There are the plain issues in conflict here. Stan does look like that or he doesn't; the photo was doctored or it wasn't. There are very many threads out there in cyber world stating as fact that the candidate is blue. I would like to give an accurate rebuttal to those threads if possible. Package it or label it any way you wish, but that's all I hope to do. Laura In a message dated 10/18/02 12:07:51 AM Central Daylight Time, silvermedic...@silvermedicine.org writes: Laura: The problem here is the same problem that often occurs... Those who feel threatened begin by striking back; they enter attack mode. This in turn sets a tide in motion that results in end confusion. Stan Jones has Argyria. If there are differences in the photographic display of the images, there could be several reasons, most of them likely non-intentional, including what color profile was used to digitally render the images. It's just like the incorrect story that STILL floats around about Rosemary... Stating that some diabolical scheme was put into place, including the rendering of images... When the truth is: The Argyria condition was severely aggrevated when some uneducated doctor decided that perhaps dermabrasion would cure the condition... Dermabrasion being similiar to taking sand paper and removing layers of the skin. The diabolical story is repeated here, as it is on the news: people like sensationalism, people like power, and people like attention. Nothing gets one's attention like a good conspiracy theory... However, the truth is, again, that the real conspiracies are seamless, well-thought out, and unbreachable. The amauteurish stuff? Fear not the truth... The truth catches up with those who enjoy the games for the sake of ego. Let these types of people be handled by those who are trained to do so. Those who are trained to do so know how to go about doing it without destroying everything along the way. Fighting ignorance with ignorance is ill-advised. Just like one doesn't have to be afraid of the truth, one doesn't have to be afraid of the lies... When one studies truth for long enough, not only does one discover how much one doesn't -- and cannot! -- know, but one discovers how impotent the lies truly are. The power of lies is executed through those who believe them, not the lies themselves. People are conditioned to accept lies. Don't fight the lies, fight the conditioning. There is either a desire to know the truth, a desire to believe the lies, or a lack of caring... Beating confusion means accepting when one walks in the unknown. This means relinquishing a bit of control. Those who need to be in control also have a need to be controlled. The fear becomes too great, the power too demanding. The unknown elements become paralysing. Thus is the unwise ruler ruled. Confusion is paralysing. This is the one principle one really needs to grasp to understand how large populations are nuetralized. Whether or not there are those shouting the truth from roof-tops is irrelevant. If there is enough confusion generated, the confusion will prevent action. To overcome confusion where the truth is displayed in blinding clarity? Screaming louder doesn't work. Another scientific study... doesn't work. Attraction works. Where you really want to focus your attention is reaching those who have the desire for the truth... You can't be doing two things at one time. Someone who is seeking the truth will not be attracted to the ensuing fight of the idea sellers -- those trying to convince those who could care less,or those who want to believe the lies because they are too afraid to accept some personal responsiblity. The truth is often lost in the conflict. There are those who would like to state that we know the absolute truth about Argyria. We have mounting evidence, but we do not have the absolute truth. What we do have is threshold levels that have been scientifically established with relative certainty. Whether or not isolated electro-colloidal silver exceeds this maximum intake, like many of us suspect, and how much it can exceed the threshold levels, has not been established. To claim that is has been established is an insult to the very thing that some are trying to stand for: The truth. This claim sets to stone confusion. The interested party becomes confused, because they are trying to believe propaganda. It is very hard to make a distinction between two equally shared lies. It's the same thing with hydrogen peroxide. Those seeking the truth will find it. The journey in finding the truth will teach them how to safely use it. In the end, there will be no fear, nor confusion. The iteration is the same: The desire drives the interest -- the caring -- the caring becomes more
Re: CSRe: Tom Kotynski - Thanks Bill - confused
In a message dated 10/16/02 6:22:33 PM Central Daylight Time, pott...@wlink.com.np writes: It's been a little confusing that subsequent to the story Stan Jones did tell others on the list that his appearance is quite normal and the photos were doctored. My thanks to Bill also for starting this dialogue with Tom. I am more confused than ever. Statements attributed to Stan Jones say the photo was doctored. Tom says he really is blue. silverfacts.org is still inaccessible to me and Jones has not yet replied to my email asking if those statements can be properly attributed to him. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHave we not had enough of the Blue Senator ? I have
In a message dated 10/15/02 11:16:28 PM Central Daylight Time, lymegladia...@btinternet.com writes: Having come across 100+ emails on the matter in the last week, can we get back onto some more useful topics, There are any number of thousands of people who now think using CS will make them turn blue because of that doctored photo. I'm glad you know that CS, when properly made, is safe. I'm glad I know. Finding a way to get the info out to others when it is easily established that the photo was a fake is neither boring or useless to me. And there is the Delete key after all. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
In a message dated 10/13/02 5:58:17 PM Central Daylight Time, miss...@prodigy.net.mx writes: Why hasn't anyone demanded an accounting of this hoax to the news media? Get me the proof, including Stan's own testimony, and I'll take care of it. I need to know what news agencies issued the doctored photo, and which publication originated the doctored photo. This needs to be exposed. Let's blow this hoax out of the water!! I agree, Bill. The blue story is all over the place. I've written to Mr. Jones asking if the FAQ can be attributed to him, and if I might have permission to post it around and create a webpage with his comments. My letter: Subj: Your FAQ on colloidal silver and argyria Date: 10/15/02 9:13:34 AM Central Daylight Time From: Sammark4 To: stanjo...@montana.com Dear Mr. Jones, This was posted to an email list I belong to. The author said it came from the silverfacts.org webite, which is currently unavailable. Is the response below attributable to you, and if so, may I have your permission to repost this and to put it up on a webpage? May I include your email address? I think it's important to get accurate information out there to refute the apparent scare tactics. Thanks if you can help, Laura -- Stan Jones' FAQ: Here's my standard response. I think it answers most of your questions. Don't stop what you're doing. Colloidal silver has been so completely researched that we know it is very safe. Many people don't see any difference in my skin. This news blast started because a reporter who saw me in a debate in Great Falls, Montana interviewed me and published a story with a doctored photo (made my face decidedly blue). The associated press picked the story up and put it all on the Internet. To answer your questions: 1) I use a generator with three nine-volt batteries connected in series (27 volts D.C.); 2) I started taking colloidal silver in Seattle where the tap water is generally free from minerals. I added a few drops of salt water to improve the conductivity. When I moved to Montana 1998, I continued to use tap water but here it is full of minerals. I never had it tested. 3) I made my solution in an eight ounce paper cup, conducting the current for one hour. I then added one half of this solution to two gallons of drinking water that I kept in my refrigerator. I have no idea what the PPM of this solution was. 4) I drank my water over the entire day , but mostly in the evening after work. I have no idea how much I drank during any day. 5) I never filtered the solution. 6) People began to tell me my complexion was getting pale or green or blue. I never noticed the difference in my mirror every day. I did notice that under my finger nails was turning blue -- like a lack of oxygen. That's probably the first sign. No other part of my body shows any indications. I hope this is helpful. I know that I am an unusual case -- only the second or third case to be reported. If you are as careful as you indicate, you have absolutely nothing to worry about. Stay healthy. You are with millions of other Americans that take silver. Here's a good web site to visit www.silver100.com. Best wishes Yours for good health and freedom Stan Jones, Libertarian Candidate for the U.S. Senate -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
Hi Dean, I received a copy off-list from someone but thanks for the offer. I won't put it up on a webpage unless I get someone's permission, though, so I guess I'll have to wait. Laura In a message dated 10/15/02 12:36:55 PM Central Daylight Time, dtmil...@midiowa.net writes: Hi Laura, I hope you get a response from Stan (I presume he's mighty busy right now). The email I sent to silverfacts bounced. I have an HTML copy of the web page this FAQ came from, if you want it (I assume I can send it all right). -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: the blue senator
In a message dated 10/14/02 9:53:46 AM Central Daylight Time, den...@toolsforhealing.com writes: The silverfacts.com link is broken. I did a search and found silverfacts.org, but the link was broken to it as well. Same here -- the plot thickens. Dean, did you copy the webpage when you found it? The web archive at www.archive.org has a listing for silverfacts.com last updated in 1990. They have an email address of silverfa...@silverfacts.com. If you've copied the web page perhaps they would give one of us permission to mirror the page with Stan's comments, and then we could use it as a reference to refute the validity of the blue photos. Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
In a message dated 10/13/02 2:44:08 AM Central Daylight Time, dtmil...@midiowa.net writes: I had thought that Stan's FAQ about his CS experience had been posted here, but I guess not. So ... here it is. Dean, was this in private to you or is there a link for Stan's statements? I would like to quote his comments to a forum where this was discussed, if possible. thx, Laura -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSSmallpox vaccine reaction pics
Oh my. And this is what will become mandatory if a state of emergency is declared. Does anyone know of a good protocol to use to protect against severe vaccine reactions (of anykind) in advance, or just after? Laura In a message dated 10/9/02 12:06:26 PM Central Daylight Time, wufn...@stargate.net writes: I usually copy and paste website info, but these I could not bear to even look at beyond the first couple pics. They are very graphic. http://www.bt.cdc.gov/Agent/Smallpox/VaccineImages2.asphttp://www.bt.cdc.go v/Agent/Smallpox/VaccineImages2.asp -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: the blue senator
Jones looks very healthy in the debate video. I suppose that could be an excellent make-up job, yet his hairline, scalp and even what can be seen of the part in his hair look normal too. The differences between the video and the CNN/Fox photos are dramatic. Laura James Allison wrote: Found the footage of the debate that was on TV... http:// video.c-span.org:8080/ramgen/fdrive/c091602_mt.rm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: the blue senator
I haven't called the man a liar, or claimed there is a conspiracy afoot. I noted the dramatic differences between Jones in the debate video and in the CNN/Fox photos. In my view we've got to deal with the info we have, and the differences are part of what we have. I agree this is just what the FDA needs to further restrict CS. Laura In a message dated 10/4/02 8:11:09 AM Central Daylight Time, miss...@prodigy.net.mx writes: Speaking as a former daily newspaper editor, I think all the conspiracy theories about faking the candidate's argyria are nonsense. Most media organizations have far too much integrity to engage in such practices. Such a patently phony conspiracy would and could easily be exposed, leading to huge embarassment and professional disgrace for whatever news organization promoted it. And for what gain? The man obviously has, or thinks he has, argyria. He says he got it from drinking his own homemade CS. Do you think he's inventing this claim and putting on blue makeup before each public appearance? Nonsense. The only way this could have been faked is if he had a pre-existing case of argyria, and was induced to run for public office to give negative exposure to CS, and that's about as far-fetched as the other conspiracy theories. I think the gentleman is honest, and is telling the truth, and it's not going to further the CS cause at all. This is all the FDA needs for further restrictions on CS. Rosemary Jacobs must be celebrating this turn of events. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSPaul Harvey's comments on Stan Jones turning blue
http://www.paulharvey.com/ Click Listen Now, Thursday noon. Comments begin at about 14 minutes, 06 seconds. Paul was a little confused. He said Jones got scared after 9-11, and began making and taking CS. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPaul Harvey's comments on Stan Jones turning blue
In a message dated 10/4/02 11:21:30 AM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: There isn't a link at Listen Now. Is it my computer or is it Harvey's website? Anyone else having this problem? Trem My bad. Click Thursday noon under Listen Now. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSPaul Harvey's comments on Stan Jones turning blue
I am not being cryptic. When I open http://www.paulharvey.com/ I see: LISTEN NOW: monday morning noon (~~~clickable links) tuesday morning noon wednesdaymorningnoon thursdaymorningnoon friday morningnoon saturdaymorning noon VISIT our SPONSORS AFFILIATE of the WEEK etc etc In a message dated 10/4/02 11:48:38 AM Central Daylight Time, t...@silvergen.com writes: Your reply is too cryptic. There isn't anything under Listen Now. No Thursday noon...nothingjust a large space and then Visit our Sponsors. Same question to youis it my computer or is there really a link there? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS for Fibromyalgia/depleted uranium
In a message dated 7/20/00 8:10:16 PM Central Daylight Time, mdud...@execonn.com writes: They were made from depleated uranium. It is about as radioactive as lead. A banana has more activity. Marshall http://www.iacenter.org/depleted/appeal.htm exerpt Communities near DU weapons plants, testing facilities, bases and arsenals have also been exposed to this radioactive material which has a half-life of 4.4 billion years. DU-weapons are deployed with U.S. troops in Bosnia. The spreading toxicity of depleted uranium threatens life everywhere. DU weapons are not conventional weapons. They are highly toxic, radioactive weapons. All international law on warfare has attempted to limit violence to combatants and to prevent the use of cruel and unfocused weapons. International agreements and conventions have tried to protect civilians and non-combatants from the scourge of war and to outlaw the destruction of the environment and the food supply in order to safeguard life on earth. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
Hi all - I am interested in WaterOz products so wrote to the email addy Vilik had given in an old post. For those interested, the original WaterOz does not have a website yet. Email response from WaterOz below. Samantha ---BeginMessage--- Samantha, Thank you for the kind e-mail. Unfortunately, your question about whether WaterOz has a website is somewhat complicated. At first, WaterOz company policy was to only sell to wholesalers and retailers, so we allowed distributors to use our name on the Internet. But now that we are selling to the general public, we have reclaimed our trademark, and we will be using the http://www.wateroz.com site by mid-August. But as of this today's date, WaterOz has NO website of its own. See, I told you it would be complicated. John WaterOz 1-800-547-2294 Rt. 1, Box 104-B Grangeville, ID 83530 ---End Message---
Re: CS WaterOz [Fwd: products and do you have a website?]
In a message dated 7/13/00 3:14:19 PM Central Daylight Time, pjgr...@northnet.org writes: What is the WaterOz? PG It's a company that sells colloidal mineral water. Their prices are good and they have been recommended by listers during the time I've been here. At the moment, I am interested in their colloidal gold mineral water. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJames/apricot kernel question was ...Oh, just what I needed...
In a message dated 7/7/00 8:09:24 PM Central Daylight Time, apothec...@home.com writes: Marsha, if you want to try some apricot kernels, let me know, I'll send you a pound, gratis, except for shipping. From what people have told me, they will help destroy cancer very effectivly. Just let me know. Yours in health, James Allison James - I have a very basic question about apricot kernels - how do you get them out of the seed shell? It's inside the hard shell, right? I'd like to chew on them preventatively and it seems like it would be simple, etc., but . Thanks much, Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHarmony
Terry- you make some good points. I enjoy reading your posts and you add so much to this list. Thanks. Samantha In a message dated 6/26/00 3:08:37 PM Central Daylight Time, tw...@yahoo.com writes: Though I produce and sell a large amount of CS, it pleases me to see CS being made and used with such a wide range of applications. It is to our long-range benefit that it can be produced so easily and with such variety. We should be encouraging each other, not competing with each other. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHerbal remedies and FDA
In a message dated 6/21/00 6:49:38 AM Central Daylight Time, gotl...@hotmail.com writes: . Herbs may come from a garden rather than a laboratory, but they are bioactive substances with the potential to do good and the potential to harm, he says. The bottom line is that they should be regulated. Watch out for that bottom line... What's wrong with attempting to educate the public? Why must they jump to regulate? There are herbs that require caution, but education can solve these problems rather than force and expensive regulation. I wish they'd stop being our parents and start being our peers. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNY Board of Health checked my CS!!!!
In a message dated 6/19/00 9:45:37 PM Central Daylight Time, dotsie...@aol.com writes: Hi, Well, the NY Board of Health checked my Colloidal Silver last Friday. The doctor said to my nephew, do you know that this can turn a person blue (expected typical response). When they ruled out that CS could be the reason for the symptoms that the baby had, they went ahead with the intravenous immune globulin treatment and he responded favorably right away. Oh, Dotsie, thank goodness it all turned out so favorably. Regards, Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSNY Board of Health checked my CS!!!!/Diane
In a message dated 6/20/00 2:44:02 PM Central Daylight Time, li...@flash.net writes: Yes thank god it worked out well. The doctor's response worries me. It's unenlightened. Diane I agree - and I don't foresee mainstream medical people getting on board anytime soon - mostly because it seems difficult for them to believe that something inexpensive and wonderfully useful could have been supressed all these years. I think they really believe their science and the industries borne from it have a higher moral fiber than that. Maybe I'm overreacting but I'm just glad Dotsie isn't in deep trouble over this. :( Regards, Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJames/Hospital wants to check my CS!!!!!
Yep, I quoted that post of yours way at the bottom. Samantha In a message dated 6/16/00 9:25:26 AM Central Daylight Time, a...@trail.com writes: The only allergic reactions of which I have hearsay reports involved jewelry sliver, which is an alloy and not pure silver. James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com FTNWO http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19738.html I suppose there is some way to differentiate between Herx and an allergic reaction to silver per se, but I don't know what it is. I have personally heard of only one allergic reaction to silver; a man who worked in jewelry. His hands became rough, and large cracks appeared. When he stopped touching silver, the problem went away. This anecdotally relayed to me from a man who worked with the person who developed the symptoms. That was very probably sterling silver which contains other toxic metals, so it may not happen with high-purity silver. Has anyone done a search of the medical databases for silver allergy? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com - -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSHospital wants to check my CS!!!!!
In a message dated 6/15/00 10:43:49 PM Central Daylight Time, dotsie...@aol.com writes: Is it possible to have a severe allergic reaction to Colloidal Silver? He has a rash on 80% of his body. Could the CS have eliminated some of the symptoms by the time the doctor finally saw him on Monday thus preventing an accurate diagnosis? Dear Dotsie, I looked up some stuff on the web and got quotes with cites. I can't say they're exactly scientific because they may not be. In general, no one knows of a report of allergic reaction (that I could find) but there is one quote that does say a herx reaction from dead bacteria can cause rashes and other symptoms. My gut reaction is that Yes, the CS could have killed enough bacteria to remove some symptoms. My Best, Samantha http://www.alternativehealth.com.au/colloida1.htm There has never been any allergic reactions to colloidal silver ever reported since medical records began during the mid 1800's. http://aomega.com/lforce/csilv.htm Medical tests indicate no known adverse effects and there has never been a recorded case of drug interaction with any other medication. No allergic reaction has ever been recorded. http://acxes.com/Nupro/silver.html No interaction with other medications Tasteless when ingested No sting when applied topically Totally non-toxic, no allergic reaction ever recorded http://www.natures-balance.com/html/colloidalp.html (This site at least has named doctors as references): CAN I USE COLLOIDAL SILVER IF I SUFFER FROM ALLERGIES? Colloidal Silver can be extremely beneficial to allergy sufferers, however, while it i s highly unusual for people to have an allergic reaction to trace minerals like silver, especially in a safe colloidal solution, if there is even the slightest possibility of a reaction you should consult with your health professional before using Colloid al Silver. http://colloidal-silver.com/article1.htm Furthermore, no detrimental side effects have ever been shown. It did not cause argyria, even in prolonged large dosages. It was not caustic and instead promoted healing in general. No allergic reactions were ever reported. It was highly effective for most infections of every kind. http://www.bio.uni.edu/cei/lyme.html Jarish-Herxheimer Reaction (herx) - First described in syphilis and is a temporary increase in symptoms after taking antibiotics. When the spirochetes die, they shed toxins which induce the immune response, resulting in headache, chills, fever, neck pain, rashes and fatigue. http://www.xpressnet.com/bhealthy/bhealthy.html#burg DEPARTMENT OF HEALTH HUMAN SERVICES Public Health Service National Institutes of Health Rocky Mountain Laboratories Hamilton, Montana 59840 (406) 363-3211 FTS (700) 322-8400 January 13, 1995 Dear Sir:* This is to inform you that we have received a sample (12 ml) of your colloidal silver (1,500 ppm) preparation and have evaluated its effectiveness in a preliminary pilot study against Lyme disease spirochete, Borrelia burgdorferi (B31) and against the relapsing fever agent, B. Hermsii (HS-1).* In both tests, BSK cultured spirochetes were treated with 150 and 15 ppm of colloidal silver. When examined 24 hours later, none of the treated cultures contained live spirochetes. Few spirochetes, all dead, were observed at 48 hours. Additional in vitro and in vivo studies are in progress and will be reported as soon as results become available. Sincerely yours, Willy Burgdorfer, Ph.D. Scientist Emeritus Rocky Mountain Laboratories Microscopy Branch Tom G. Schwan, Ph.D. Senior Staff Fellow Laboratory of Microbial Structure and Function WB/TGS:bk http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19738.html I suppose there is some way to differentiate between Herx and an allergic reaction to silver per se, but I don't know what it is. I have personally heard of only one allergic reaction to silver; a man who worked in jewelry. His hands became rough, and large cracks appeared. When he stopped touching silver, the problem went away. This anecdotally relayed to me from a man who worked with the person who developed the symptoms. That was very probably sterling silver which contains other toxic metals, so it may not happen with high-purity silver. Has anyone done a search of the medical databases for silver allergy? James Osbourne Holmes a...@trail.com - http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19756.html I've seen one or two reported cases of trumpet players allergic to silver mouthpieces, reported in a trumpet newsgroup. John --- http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m19770.html Bet the mouthpieces are sterling or another alloy, and that the sensitivity is to the zinc, copper or nickel in the alloy. Marshall - -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message
Re: CS: World-wide ban on alternative health information planned by CODE
In a message dated 6/13/00 2:55:27 PM Central Daylight Time, tan...@webworkz.com writes: Please check out Dr Matthias Rath's website below, register your protest, and forward to one and all. Thank you for sending this alert. I emailed all the US delegates individually and so far 5 out of 12 emails have been returned, mostly for unknown recipient. I wonder if they got tired of having their mailboxes jammed with protests? Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS - World Ban
In a message dated 6/14/00 10:32:07 AM Central Daylight Time, a...@trail.com writes: The it can't happen here argument is void. It has happened. See: http://sightings.com/politics5/wakeup_people.htm I had a hard time believing what I saw on the Sightings website, so I did a search of the official State Department website and there it was: elimination of all nations' military forces, all to be put under UN control, signed in 1961: http://dosfan.lib.uic.edu/ERC/arms/freedom_war.html Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CSRe: CS OT/ FDA Stops Alt Tx For Child
Fwd: 4-Year-Old Fights for More Than His Life The FDA is Killing Our Children, says mother. A HREF=http://www.cbn.org/Newsstand/stories/000504.asp;FDA, Friend orFoe?: 4-Year-Old Fights for More Than His Life/A http://www.cbn.org/Newsstand/stories/000504.asp By Joie Munda and Ken Hulme May 4, 2000 -- EXCLUSIVE -- A young boy fights for his life from an aggressive form of brain cancer. Has the FDA become his worst enemy? People continue to protest over Elian Gonzales. Why is it that no one is fighting over Thomas Navarro? Thomas is the 4-year-old son of Arizona parents Jim and Donna Navarro. He has medulloblastoma, an aggressive form of brain cancer. Recently doctors operated on the young boy to remove a golf ball size tumor. Without additional treatment, Thomas will die. What would you do if you were Thomas parents? Worse still, what you do if your child were suddenly struck with this fatal form of brain cancer? As his young life hangs in the balance, vital questions have emerged for Thomas parents, and by implication for the nation: 1. Which cancer treatments are best: The prescribed Food and Drug Administration (FDA) treatment of radiation and chemotherapy, with their dramatic and debilitating side effects? Or an experimental treatments (approved in FDA trials) with an high success rates and no known side effects? 2. Who has the right to decide which treatment is best for this 4 year oldor any child with medical options: the parents and their doctor, or the government? 3. Is the FDA always right in its policies and practices? The Recommended Treatment When Thomas was diagnosed with brain cancer in September of 1999, not surprisingly, his parents were devastated. But within days, surgeons had successfully removed the cancerous growth. As a follow-up, they recommended an aggressive cocktail of radiation and chemotherapy, a course typical for this type of cancer. Medulloblastoma takes just 45 weeks to grow a second tumor. If the first one has been removed, the second one is fatal unless the patient undergoes this type of salvage therapy, as one study calls radiation treatment in children Thomas age. Initially, Jim was willing to trust doctors with the next step in his childs care. But, he soon became skeptical when no one would talk to him about what Thomas condition would be like after chemotherapy and radiation. And doctors were not willing to show the Navarros any survival reports of medulloblastoma. Thats when the Navarros learned some shocking news! Every patient, which doctors have treated with radiation and chemo at his sons age, was 'either crippled or dead,' says Donna Navarro. When Jim wanted to know the ingredients of the chemotherapy, the doctor said, You dont need to know. That's when, Our first red flag went up, says Jim. Later, Jim was assured by the radiologist that the side effects would be manageable. He had listed skin redness, fatigue, nausea, vomiting, and loose stools and had me sign it, says Jim. The doctor leaves the room. About 10 minutes later he comes back and says, Oh, Dad, by the way, I forgot. Hell also have fluid on the middle ear, hearing loss, memory loss, hyperthyroidism, low level hormones, spinal growth deficit, hyper-pituitarianism, secondary tumors, cerebral necrosis, and he went on down the list. Thomas doctors were unavailable for comment. The Journal of Clinical Oncology confirms the Navarros' fears. In a December 1999 study by St. Jude Childrens Research Hospital, all patients lost cognitive function during and after [radiation] therapy. In fact, the summary went on to state that all patients treated in this fashion with salvage radiation therapy have significant neuropsychologic deficits [including a significant loss in IQ]. Our experience demonstrates that medulloblastoma in infancy is a curable disease, albeit at significant cost. Suddenly, Jim and Donna realized their son could become an invalid, requiring a lifetime of care. Searching for an Answer As they began to turn a deaf ear to the radiologists, Jim and Donna worked feverishly to find a solution. Using the Internet, they spent thousands of hours becoming experts on their sons condition. They also made friends through online chat rooms with other families in similar straits. There they also learned of a clinic in Houston, Texas, that had been approved by the FDA to do clinical studies for certain types of cancer. Would this clinic provide the answer? Then, the unthinkable happened. Because the Navarros were unwilling to submit their son to traditional FDA approved treatments, doctors finally turned the family over to child protective services. The Navarros decided to flee the state. Theyve been living in a hotel in Houston for the past six months. There they located Dr. Stanislaw Burzynski, a medical doctor and cancer researcher. The Navarros found Burzynski to be candid about his successes introducing them to a thriving young man in college, a cancer
Re: CSRe: CS OT/ FDA Stops Alt Tx For Child
In a message dated 6/7/00 11:43:54 PM Central Daylight Time, li...@flash.net writes: samma...@aol.com wrote: Fwd: 4-Year-Old Fights for More Than His Life Thanks for sending this. It's so very disturbing that we can't choose our treatments without becoming criminals in the eyes of the govt or medical profession. Diane Diane, I agree. It was shocking to read that the doctors called protective services when the parents refused the chemo and radiation for their son. And the Polish doctor from Texas who provides alternative treatment has been harassed beyond measure, though the article didn't mention that. If I had cancer, I don't think I would want chemo and radiation. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSRe: have you heard ear candling is a hoax?
In a message dated 5/26/00 10:01:12 PM Central Daylight Time, ing...@aol.com writes: l have never heard that ear candling is a hoax. Has anyone else? but l wouldnt be surprised if the medical community believes that...they dont research anything alternative usually..and believe only drugs and invasive treatments are the answer...IMHO. I saw a cautionary news mini-documentary on it saying it was not necessarily helpful but that it did pose risks. They interviewed one or two people who said they had complications arise because of it. It didn't sway me one way or the other because I'm so skeptical of what comes forward in the major media. They didn't interview anyone who claimed to have good results. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSJust When We Thought HVAC CS Was DOA, Look What Happened.....
In a message dated 5/26/00 12:15:09 PM Central Daylight Time, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: I take a shotglassfull daily. Been a couple of years without infection of any kind. Works for me! Chuck It is impossible to solve a problem with the consciousness that created it! You should give Einstein credit for that, Chuck: Problems cannot be solved at the same level of awareness that created them. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Mild Rant
Hey Ivan, I think you're ahead of me on the list all of a sudden. snicker Samantha In a message dated 5/19/00 2:25:32 AM Central Daylight Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: Samantha, When you get to the farm, could you get a message to Sigmund for me please (he's under-cover there) , and tell him my code name (cs4u) if he asks? Tell him that I flashed the torch towards the Southern Cross like he said, but I flashed the wrong pin number 3 times and they kept my light. I think I need a new bulb. TIA, Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSweight
In a message dated 5/18/00 2:00:28 PM Central Daylight Time, onetr...@netsync.net writes: Hello all you wonderful, enlightened people, I am so glad to be among you. I have a sister inlaw that is overweight, and was wondering if CS could do something for her. Overeatting is NOT her problem, she put herself on a starvation level of calories many years ago, and now, with eating only small amounts of food, she is still not able to lose weight., any help would be appreciated. I enjoy reading all your info.Thanks:) LindaLou My husband started taking 500mcg of chromium picolinate twice per day in January on the advice of a physician. He didn't change anything alse about his lifestyle and lost 16 lbs in four months. We were quite surprised. As for CS and weight loss, I couldn't tell you. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CS Mild Rant
In a message dated 5/18/00 9:20:18 PM Central Daylight Time, a...@trail.com writes: Bottom line: there is nothing to show any use of CS up to about 20 gallons at one sitting can hurt. It may help. Six months ago, I was dumb enough to tell our dental hygienist that I used CS. Today she tells me oh, I read an article in the newspaper about CS awhile back. It said it had little use as an antibacterial or antiviral but it will turn you gray. I was hoping you hadn't turned gray by now. She's a very nice person, and also very intelligent. I tried to explain this 'n that, but she ended up looking at me that way anyway. And of course, she went on and on about the benefits of fluoride and how much my son would benefit if I would only approve his fluoride treatment. I get so weary of living in a different awareness zone. I've been mingling with humans in-person way too much lately, and being myself way too much. Time to censor myself again and nod my head a lot before they come to take me away... To The Funny Farm Where Life is Beautiful All The Time HeHe HaHa HoHo Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
CS (Kind of On-Topic) Fwd: [CTRL] TB or not TB Globalised
---BeginMessage--- This, THIS, is a primary example of *why* borders and sovereignty should be protected. AER From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Medicine Health Drug-resistant tuberculosis threatens millions By Debra Watson 16 May 2000 Back to screen version The super-deadly strains of drug-resistant tuberculosis that killed 500 people in New York City in the early 1990s are now turning up in alarming numbers in the underdeveloped countries. Each year over 2 million people, mostly poor, die from the disease. Just 22 countries, designated high burden countries, account for 80 percent of the world's tuberculosis cases. These include China, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Russia and the Philippines. Of new TB cases, fully 95 percent are in the underdeveloped world. One third of the people in the world are believed to carry the tuberculosis microbe. Of the estimated 2 billion infected, one in ten are expected to develop active tuberculosis at some time in their lives. The bacterial infection can live for years in its host, causing chronic debilitation, and is often fatal. Drug treatment has been available for over 50 years that can easily kill susceptible strains of the bacteria, yet even at a cost of $10 per patient in the underdeveloped world, treatment remains out of reach for millions. It costs $5,000 per patient to treat the new drug-resistant strains and multidrug-resistant strains are often incurable even with modern antibiotics. Drug resistance is a wholly man-made phenomenon. Selective mutation of the microbe burden in a host results from inadequate or intermittent drug supply for the patient or from the misuse of available anti-tuberculosis drugs. Health workers fear that the high cost of treating drug-resistant strains will be impossible in countries already reeling from several epidemics of infectious disease as well as social and political factors such as war, massive poverty and inequality and economic crisis. Our biggest worry is that drug-resistant TB will also begin increasing in other developing countries, said Dr. David Heymann, executive director of Communicable Diseases for the World Health Organization (WHO). North America and Europe may have the billions of dollars required to contain this emergency. The worst affected countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America do not, Heymann added. During the five years of the New York City epidemic it cost over $1 billion to treat approximately 3,800 patients and to contain further spread of the deadly strains in the US. WHO estimates 50 million people worldwide are already infected with drug- resistant tuberculosis. There are several hot spots in the world where multidrug-resistant tuberculosis (MDR-TB) makes up more than 3 percent of new TB cases. Growing numbers of drug-resistant tuberculosis cases apparently are being contracted directly through breathing the same air as a person already sick from a resistant strain. Researchers believe a person with TB infects another 10 to 15 people each year he remains ill. In Estonia nearly 37 percent of new TB cases were resistant to at least one drug. Resistance to all four drugs tested was 8.5 percent among new tuberculosis patients there and the country also had the highest level of MDR- TB of any area of the world in TB patients who had never before been treated14.1 percent. MDR-TB is defined as resistance to at least the drugs Isoniazid and Rifampicin. MDR-TB in new cases was also found in large numbers in Henan province in China, 10.8 percent and Latvia, 9 percent. In Russia in Ivanovo Oblast it was also 9 percent and in Tomsk Oblast it was 6.5 percent, well above the global median of 1 percent. Iran also had high levels, 5.8 percent of new tuberculosis cases were resistant to at least two drugs. Estonia is also a documented example of increasing levels of drug resistance. In 1998 the percentage of patients with MDR-TB who had been previously treated for tuberculosis was 37.8 percent, up from 19.2 percent in 1994. Anti-tuberculosis drug-resistance in the world, Report No. 2 follows up on a 1997 report from WHO and the International Union Against Tuberculosis and Lung Disease. Researchers now warn that unchecked epidemics in underdeveloped countries will spill over into more affluent countries. Already in the earlier report they documented cases of MDR-TB in every one of 35 geographical areas surveyed between 1994 and 1996, and on every continent. Transnational tuberculosis, spread across the world in human hosts via global travel, is suspected as the cause of rising drug-resistant TB and the more dangerous multidrug-resistant TB in Europe and other countries with few overall cases. In Germany and Denmark the percentage of TB patients resistant to a single drug has increased by 50 percent since 1996. It doubled in one year in New Zealand. Germany is currently treating over 100 cases of MDR-TB. MDR-TB was not found to be any more prevalent among immigrants than in
Re: CS (Easier to Read Version) of fwd Post on TB
Sorry about the hard-to-read-forward of the TB article. This is a cleaner version. Samantha From www.wsws.org WSWS : News Analysis : Medicine Health Drug-resistant tuberculosis threatens millions By Debra Watson 16 May 2000 Back to screen version The super-deadly strains of drug-resistant tuberculosis that killed 500 people in New York City in the early 1990s are now turning up in alarming numbers in the underdeveloped countries. Each year over 2 million people, mostly poor, die from the disease. Just 22 countries, designated high burden countries, account for 80 percent of the world's tuberculosis cases. These include China, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan, Indonesia, Russia and the Philippines. Of new TB cases, fully 95 percent are in the underdeveloped world. One third of the people in the world are believed to carry the tuberculosis microbe. Of the estimated 2 billion infected, one in ten are expected to develop active tuberculosis at some time in their lives. The bacterial infection can live for years in its host, causing chronic debilitation, and is often fatal. Drug treatment has been available for over 50 years that can easily kill susceptible strains of the bacteria, yet even at a cost of $10 per patient in the underdeveloped world, treatment remains out of reach for millions. It costs $5,000 per patient to treat the new drug-resistant strains and multidrug-resistant strains are often incurable even with modern antibiotics. Drug resistance is a wholly man-made phenomenon. Selective mutation of the microbe burden in a host results from inadequate or intermittent drug supply for the patient or from the misuse of available anti-tuberculosis drugs. Health workers fear that the high cost of treating drug-resistant strains will be impossible in countries already reeling from several epidemics of infectious disease as well as social and political factors such as war, massive poverty and inequality and economic crisis. Our biggest worry is that drug-resistant TB will also begin increasing in other developing countries, said Dr. David Heymann, executive director of Communicable Diseases for the World Health Organization (WHO). North America and Europe may have the billions of dollars required to contain this emergency. The worst affected countries in Asia, Africa and Latin America do not, Heymann added. During the five years of the New York City epidemic it cost over $1 billion to treat approximately 3,800 patients and to contain further spread of the deadly strains in the US. WHO estimates 50 million people worldwide are already infected with drug- resistant tuberculosis. There are several hot spots in the world where multidrug-resistant tuberculosis (MDR-TB) makes up more than 3 percent of new TB cases. Growing numbers of drug-resistant tuberculosis cases apparently are being contracted directly through breathing the same air as a person already sick from a resistant strain. Researchers believe a person with TB infects another 10 to 15 people each year he remains ill. In Estonia nearly 37 percent of new TB cases were resistant to at least one drug. Resistance to all four drugs tested was 8.5 percent among new tuberculosis patients there and the country also had the highest level of MDR- TB of any area of the world in TB patients who had never before been treated14.1 percent. MDR-TB is defined as resistance to at least the drugs Isoniazid and Rifampicin. MDR-TB in new cases was also found in large numbers in Henan province in China, 10.8 percent and Latvia, 9 percent. In Russia in Ivanovo Oblast it was also 9 percent and in Tomsk Oblast it was 6.5 percent, well above the global median of 1 percent. Iran also had high levels, 5.8 percent of new tuberculosis cases were resistant to at least two drugs. Estonia is also a documented example of increasing levels of drug resistance. In 1998 the percentage of patients with MDR-TB who had been previously treated for tuberculosis was 37.8 percent, up from 19.2 percent in 1994. Anti-tuberculosis drug-resistance in the world, Report No. 2 follows up on a 1997 report from WHO and the International Union Against Tuberculosis and Lung Disease. Researchers now warn that unchecked epidemics in underdeveloped countries will spill over into more affluent countries. Already in the earlier report they documented cases of MDR-TB in every one of 35 geographical areas surveyed between 1994 and 1996, and on every continent. Transnational tuberculosis, spread across the world in human hosts via global travel, is suspected as the cause of rising drug-resistant TB and the more dangerous multidrug-resistant TB in Europe and other countries with few overall cases. In Germany and Denmark the percentage of TB patients resistant to a single drug has increased by 50 percent since 1996. It doubled in one year in New Zealand. Germany is currently treating over 100 cases of MDR-TB. MDR-TB was not found to be any more prevalent among immigrants than in natives of
Re: CSEvacuation
In a message dated 5/12/00 5:05:30 PM Central Daylight Time, Sammark4 writes: In a message dated 5/12/00 4:03:16 PM Central Daylight Time, a...@trail.com writes: Los Alamos is burning. A pall of ugly smoke hangs low. The wind is blowing thisaway. They allways lie. I tried for two days to get from city, state, and local newspaper a statement of the radiation levels in Santa Fe. No one who knows will say. I am splitting for the river, about 75 miles from the lab. Later, James Osbourne Holmes Best of luck, James. My dad-in-law lives in Denver, CO, and said last night that they're choking on the smoke from it there. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@eskimo.com
Re: CSProducing CS using HVAC/ Ivan
Hey Ivan, I've been following this thread with some interest. I have a comment and a question below.. In a message dated 4/26/00 10:43:33 AM Central Daylight Time, i...@win.co.nz writes: Are you saying that the reaction, 2AgNO3 + H2O2 Ag2O + 2HNO3 would not go to the right? Why not? No, I am saying that (although I don't think that reaction is balanced or a redox reaction) : You're correct - the equation isn't balanced. I fiddled with it for quite awhile and couldn't rig it. The only reaction I could find that referred to silver nitrate and peroxide also included sodium hydroxide. A book reference said that AgO2 is usually prepared by adding a strong, hot solution of AgNO3 to one of KOH. 2Ag + H2O2 + 2H+ --- 2Ag+ + 2H2O will occur, E(cell) 0.977V, and K 1.15^33 (high amount of product and fast reaction) Where does the 2H+ in the reaction come from? From the small amount of free-floating H+ ions in any solution of H2O? Thanks, Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSProducing CS using HVAC Probably Restructures the Water it is Madein
In a message dated 4/25/00 6:18:40 PM Central Daylight Time, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: Samatha, I'm flattered, but it's not me that's unsubscribing. Geez, I know how to do it How mortifying. Chuck Kamikaze Paranomasiac each pun a killer ! Oh, LOL! All I ever noticed was the CKing part, not the numbers after! Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSProducing CS using HVAC Probably Restructures the Water it is Madein
In a message dated 4/25/00 9:37:14 AM Central Daylight Time, cking61...@aol.com writes: In a message dated 04/25/2000 7:39:29 AM Central Daylight Time, rogalt...@aol.com writes: silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com unsubscribe Will miss you, Chuck. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSQuestions about CS
In a message dated 4/17/00 10:45:12 PM Central Daylight Time, brownin...@hotmail.com writes: 5)Why does CS harm bacteria and virus but not harm human cells... Dear Rob, I found an explanation on one website that coincides with what I understand about the mechanism of CS. There is a lot of good information there, but please keep in mind that the statements are not always sourced, and that the website is in the business of selling their product. Here's the quote: The presence of Colloidal Silver near a virus, fungus, bacterium or any other single celled pathogen disables its oxygen metabolism enzyme, its chemical lung, so to say. Within a few minutes, the pathogen suffocates and dies and is cleared out of the body by the immune, lymphatic and elimination systems. Unlike pharmaceutical antibiotics which destroy beneficial enzymes, Colloidal Silver leaves these tissue-cell enzymes intact as they are radically different from the enzymes of primitive single-celled life. Thus Colloidal Silver is absolutely safe for humans, reptiles, plants and all multi-celled living matter. end quote (http://www.familyhealthnews.com/49.html) Regards, Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSInstructions for giving a cat a MSM pill
In a message dated 4/5/00 6:46:02 PM Central Daylight Time, lpownal...@aol.com writes: ** INSTRUCTIONS FOR GIVING A CAT A MSM PILL** LOLOLOL Hahahahahahahahahaha!! How true! Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFlu/peroxide
Good enough for me Chuck! We're all getting the symptoms here in my house. I'll use the food grade peroxide. Two drops in each ear unless I hear a better dose from you. Thanks! Samantha In a message dated 12/29/1999 9:33:47 PM CST, cking...@nycap.rr.com writes: Heck, I don't know how or why anything works! I often suspend the need to know. Someone on the net touted it as a surefire cure for the cold, saying that the ear harbors much infection. Works for me! That's my only criteria! Chuck -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
CSRe: SAMANTHA!!!! URGENT!!!! Re: CSFlu/peroxide
Thank you for the warning, Mike. My food grade is 7% and I diluted it. By the way, we feel better already having used it. Thanks again for the tip, Chuck. I REALLY do appreciate it! Samantha In a message dated 12/30/1999 9:29:02 AM CST, mdev...@eskimo.com writes: Hi, Sam, Just wanted to make *ABSOLUTELY SURE* that you had the right instructions before you went ahead and did this. The food grade peroxide I've heard about from this list is all 35% and *extremely* caustic. If *that* is what you're using... DO NOT put that strong of peroxide in your ears or anywhere! OKAY? Diluting it to about the 3% level is, I believe, the recipe folks are talking about. Chuck might be mixing it a bit stronger, or his food grade peroxide is not as strong as some of the stuff other people have gotten. Whew! Don't try this at home, kiddies. grin Mike D. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSPredictions for the year 2000
Amir -- if it was left on your answering machine, couldn't it be bogus or a prank? Did you call the electric company to verify -- or can you? Samantha In a message dated 12/29/1999 1:12:51 PM CST, am...@earthlink.net writes: I apologize for this off topic post, but I feel I must tell anyone who believes Y2K will be a non event that I just recieved a message on my machine from the electric co. to not expect power for the first 2-3 weeks of the new year and not to panic. No power usually means no water. I live in calabasas, CA. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS Back from a long absence
Hi everybody -- Hi Mike -- I got bumped from the list several months ago for some reason. I think it was because my mailbox got full. Anyway, I was busy with other things and let it go. Finally got back on just yesterday. While I was off, I focused a lot on learning what might happen in the next few months. My conclusions are -- who can tell? I can't. For every bit of information out there, there is a mirroring bit of disinformation. I've decided I can't figure anything out, so I've started reading novels. heheh Just wanted to say Hi to everybody -- some familiar names, some not. :-) It's good to be back. Samantha -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: cs for contacts?
Has anyone had experience using CS with disposable contacts specifically? My son is getting them soon and no one in this house knows anything about contacts. I wonder if it could prolong their life? Thanks in advance. Samm In a message dated 09/02/1999 10:11:09 AM CST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: My son has used it for that, and for the overnight soak. Works great if he has any infection. Marshall Michael C McNeill wrote: Anyone use CS for a sterile rinse with your contact lenses? -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSIrradiated blood contaning CS?
In a message dated 08/08/1999 9:19:27 AM CST, spiro...@tampabay.rr.com writes: So she plans to request that her donated blood be irradiated so that the hospital won't give her back her own blood overloaded with Lyme bugs. If the blood is refrigerated, shouldn't that stop the Lyme bugs from being active? She may not need irradiated blood at all. Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSprotecting yourself from anthrax and other dangerous bacteria.
In a message dated 07/30/1999 11:18:22 AM CST, ck...@global2000.net writes: H a liter is a little bigger than a gallon. The 2 Liter soda bottles are smaller than a gallon. More like 2 liters = 1/2 gallon. Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSFDA demands book burning on herbs
In a message dated 07/28/1999 2:34:33 PM CST, mdud...@execonn.com writes: http://thewinds.org/archive/medical/stevia07-98.html Marshall Gr that makes me angry. I learned about stevia a few years ago. It is nutritive and even helpful in balancing blood sugar levels. It was banned entirely from the US right around the time aspartame came out, but then later allowed back on the market as long as no info on its sweetening capabilities was put on the label. It's used a lot in Japan, and they have a much lower rate of diabetes. I *wish* I had a stevia cookbook. I've got several ounces of dried herb and don't really know how to use it. I was putting a few pinches in our gallon tea jugs, but my family didn't like swallowing floating green stuff in their tea. Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSMaking Good CS
In a message dated 07/26/1999 8:39:17 PM CST, sjlan...@aol.com writes: So what am I doing wrong? Is it that I am not switching the electrodes? Need more pure silver? Too much water at a time? Not pure enough distilled H20? (Know a good brand?) Do I stir it or just let it go until concentration at the 6.5mA is between the 1 electrodes? Try a wider electrode spacing, say 2 inches. It may give a smaller particle size and a more effective product (with lighter color). Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNew Member
In a message dated 07/25/1999 7:52:09 PM CST, bober...@postoffice.swbell.net writes: Sorry ole boy but DO NOT USE 999 silver get 9. It is availbe in K.C.Mo Jules Borel Co tel 1-800-776-6858. Last november I bought 10 ft for $32.00 Now this is upsetting. I thought .999 was okay. That's what I have. In fact, I've recently been using .999 silver dabloons (carnival coins minted in New Orleans) to make my CS. Robert, didn't you recently say a company sent you sterling instead and you discovered it by noticing how the wires turned black? I seriously don't want to bring harm to my family, and now I'm worried! Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAlkaline water Device and Arthritis
In a message dated 99-07-18 15:33:44 EDT, you write: The fact is, white distilled vinegar is indeed EXTREMELY harmful to the body, while raw, apple cider vinegar is EXTREMELY BENEFICIAL. The apple cider vinegar I bought at the grocery store doesn't say if it's raw or not. Do I assume it is because if it were distilled, it would be white? Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS Formica
In a message dated 99-07-15 23:52:26 EDT, you write: So, there you are. Two tested and proven ways to stain and one to remove. Try them if you must, but remember I have gone there before you and it isn't a pretty picture. LOL!!! The training of men never goes easily, but it sounds like you're holding your own. :) Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSCancer
In a message dated 99-07-14 07:50:40 EDT, you write: You will do more that is *good* and *right* than by venting blind anger, no matter how justified. What we're trying to do here deserves better. Be well, Mike D. Good doctors are just as upset with what some/many greedy doctors do. A good doctor will not be put off by this sort of bashing. In my opinion, it is that we are not sufficiently in touch with our outrage, as a whole, that has allowed us to roll over and allow atrocities to occur. We're all supposed to be mature and civilized while charlatans in a healing profession hack off body parts unnecessarily and for profit? Well, please pass the Grey Poupon, then. We wouldn't want to OFFEND anyone. Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSRe: l-tryptophan
In a message dated 99-07-12 12:28:48 EDT, kense...@earthlink.net writes: Note: ONLY the US banned tryptophan, guess what prescription medication that substitiuted for tryptophan got rave reviews and magazine articles, talk show buzz, etc. within weeks of the ban? Same prescription drug that a goodly number of people that go postal were on.(Columbine etc.) What a coincidence eh? Love that FDA.. -- Ah, and wasn't stevia banned as a sweetener just before nutra-poison came out on the market? Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CS water ionizer?/bought one/manufacturer
In a message dated 99-07-12 22:38:13 EDT, you write: So, does this sound like a real water ionizer? I have no experience with them whatsoever. Samm ~~~ I guess the proof in the pudding will be checking the water to see the pH. ~^^V^^~ Where can I get one? Ron The device is manufactured by Sunbong Trading Company, C.P.O. Box 4063, Seoul, Korea, Tel 753-4841 The product is the Super Ion-Q, IW-501. This is the info that came with the box, and the box is OLD!! Please don't take this info as a recommendation on my part because I don't know if it works yet! Some of you may be able to take this info to your local Korean Food Store and see if they can order it for you. For others who would like my source to ship it . The store owner said she could send these UPS for under $10 shipping (US, I presume). Mine came to $63.13 with tax (without shipping, duh). She wanted me to tell her how many of my friends wanted one so she could place the order and give me an estimate of the time involved. But it won't be fair to her if I tell her a certain number and some don't want it when they arrive, so I'll clear it with her tomorrow to have those of you interested contact her directly and secure the payment arrangements or whatever. I've listed the names below of 4-5 people I'm pretty sure of who want more info. Private email me if I should add anyone else's name. I think we should take this topic off-list now. syen...@clearwater.net (Susan M. Yensen) vi...@peak.org (Vilik Rapheles) b...@lcia.com (RON BRENNEN) i...@win.co.nz (Ivan Anderson) I think you mentioned an interest, Ivan? kato...@aol.com (Katarina) Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSGenetically engineered food
In a message dated 99-07-13 11:27:43 EDT, you write: In the US, approximately 60 million acres of biotechnology-derived crops already have been planted, and that number is growing, Grabowski added. I'm fairly sure the destruction of the American Farmer was no accident. Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSNo Subject
Sure, Katarina. I'll post the info on the list for all. With any luck, these devices are common in Korean food stores and won't be too hard to find. Samm In a message dated 99-07-11 13:59:44 EDT, you write: Hi Samm, my doctor gave me a book on how ionized water was the key to health and longevity - don't know if it's true or not - but would be very curious to try one that doesn't cost $1,000 or more as most seem to. Would you also let me know if you get it and if it seems to work.? And then maybe get the name of the store or of the ionizer and I can see if I can find one in LA. Thanks so much. Katarina -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSCalcium deposits/water ionizer?/bought one
In a message dated 99-07-12 01:35:01 EDT, you write: I found a water ionizer at a Korean Food Store for $59. The box says one side of the machine (which looks somewhat like a coffee maker) makes acidic water and the other makes alkaline. Would this be a good thing to have? Sound like a good price? I can research this, I just thought I'd ask here first. Thanks. Samm The only one I have seen is over $1,000 bucks, so either this is a GREAT deal, or it is junk. I bought one today. It runs on 120V, looks like a big coffee maker and has two compartments -- one on the left and one on the right -- separated by a diaphragm that is white and porous and leaves a chalky substance on the fingers when rubbed. On the acidic side, there are two long electrodes, about 1/3 diameter made of ferrite. On the alkaline side, there are two made of stainless steel. The machine has a four liter capacity and makes PH alkaline between 9-10 in about 10-15 minutes. A phenylthaline (sp?) solution was supposed to have been enclosed for testing PH but the little bottle was empty. The only thing that for sure didn't work was the water spout! I made the ionized water and depressed the alkaline knob to get water from the spout and nothing happened. Same on the other side. I emptied the water and looked underneath. There was a lock knob for each spout. I turned them to unlock and tried the tab levers again. The plastic pieces that they move to press and release the water both broke. It's as if the plastic is ancient. I mentioned before that this ionizer and another were both collecting dust in the shop. I plan to return the device tomorrow and try the other one. If it is ancient too, I'll ask them to order a new one. They said they can order more. It appears to be a nice, well-made machine.. just old. The spout mechanisms appear to be the weakest link in the chain. So, does this sound like a real water ionizer? I have no experience with them whatsoever. Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
Re: CSAlkaline quick fix...
In a message dated 99-07-10 22:59:41 EDT, you write: I need help...FAST. This heat is knocking me out. Anybody got a quick fix? I think getting more alkaline fast would help. Any ideas besides lemons? Please...I am drooping badly... I am the same way this summer and I'm getting discouraged. I've been overcome by heat twice already, with only above average exertion outdoors. :( Samm -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour mdev...@id.net
